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mandk

I used to think that Kelvin Davis was the dimmest person in Parliament, but after seeing her performance yesterday, I think that Clare Curran wears the crown.

“Curran alone of all MPs is she
Who stands confirmed in full stupidity”
(apologies to Dryden)
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March 2, 2018 8:00am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That certainly was a very good demolition by Melissa Lee.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:10am
  - Liberty
    
    It is also notable how TV one news failed to mention the revealed scandal.
    It appears TVone is protecting their Minister and failing to keep the people In formed.
    The minister might well need protecting as she was shaking in her boots
    By the time Melissa had finished with her.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:17am
    - KiWombat
      
      Yes she didn’t look at all comfortable, and obviously didn’t see it coming !
      
      Take a sledge hammer next time Melissa and finish her !
      
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      March 2, 2018 10:34am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        It was a clever question. Obviously loaded, Curran probably checked with her staffers – no boss, not us – so she thought she was all good until she found it was a staffer from the PMs office.
        Hey possum, two moons!
        
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        March 2, 2018 4:59pm
  - Nermal
    
    Mind you, she was trying to defend the indefensible
    
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    March 2, 2018 5:00pm
- oldgolfer
  
  Link please. This I have to see.
  What was it?
  Better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:17am
  - Kiwiladdy
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x49lRApsdJk
    
    Fell off her bike at the sight of a pothole.
    
    I don’t think Clare Curran could manage a McDonalds shift.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:33am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Wow!
      
      Let’s see more of Melissa Lee.
      
      (For KKKatee and Calendar Girl..
      Was Clare Curran wearing a cardie?
      When should an MP wear a cardie?)
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:07am
      - KKKKatee
        
        Yes, it appears Curran was wearing a cardie.
        An MP should wear a cardie in the comfort of her own home……
        I’m not happy to be paying the salary of an MP who wears a cardie to work……
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:13am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Well in terms of male sartorial counterbalance did you see the photo of Ardern and Gayford meeting Malcolm Turnbull? Gayford; no tie, hand in pocket while shaking hands looking positively disinterested. Great look for NZ.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:30am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        You’d think on her salary she could afford a hairbrush. Don’t Labour have dress standards?
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:30am
      - KKKKatee
        
        And in reply, also, to Salacious Crumb – I was going to comment on the attire of Gayford. He appears to be a rather uncouth sort of a chap doesn’t he? The first thing I noticed was that he had his hand in his pocket shaking hands with the Australian Officials who were there to welcome them in Sydney. And no tie either. You’ve thought that he would take his cue from the other blokes travelling with the them. As I’ve said before, Ardern and Gayford look like a couple of toe rags compared to the new ‘power couple’ Bridges.
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:32am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Don’t you mean an MP who receives a minister’s salary & receive all the other perks & perks of a minister?
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:39am
      - calendar girl
        
        Maggy, I agree with KKKatee – definitely a cardigan, but it brought her no warmth in that particular Parliamentary exchange.
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:02am
      - KiWombat
        
        Maybe cardie-girl was pre-rugged for the frosty encounter she was about to experience !
        
        She sure was left out in the cold yesterday !
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:46am
    - mara
      
      And the man seated behind her, Willie Jackson, is a toy short of a Happy Meal. What fun.
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:23am
      - softail 1450
        
        mara, its not even funny mara ,jackson is a maori bludger of the highest order .
        jackson lives a life of privilege while all the time spouting hes looking after “my people”, that guy has the dubious title of being one of the most detested NZrs by both pakeha and maori alike.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:37am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Softail, cmm & I could point him in the direction of Julius Mlema in SA.
        
        He is a union organiser,spouts Marxism, spouts looking after our people.
        
        But….
        
        Is a multi millionaire & lives an opulent life……
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:43am
      - sooty
        
        it’s going to be interesting reading when he does his list if picturnery interest.
        
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        March 2, 2018 2:22pm
      - GoVege
        
        I voted for WJ once….before he said he would kill his wife if she were unfaithful. …
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:24pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    While you’re there, watch Bill English’s valedictory.
    Should have had the government benches hanging their heads in embarrassment.
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:36am
    - Paulus
      
      Nobody in Col Parliament care a damn about Bill English. They are so full of their electoral achievements in routing National that they are not interested in anything except the daily pregnancy report.
      
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      March 2, 2018 8:54am
      - Than
        
        It wasn’t an electoral achievment. National won the election – they got more votes than Labour and the Greens combined.
        
        But sadly the CoL won the post-election negotiations, thanks purely to being much more willing than National to sell out. With Jacinda Ardern willing to blatantly sell a stint as Prime Minister, that was an offer that National (or any party with even an ounce of morales) would not match.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:18am
      - simo
        
        National weren’t routed, COL was appointed. There are still 1.1m voters out there waiting for an opportunity to flick the poison dwarf and his followers and there will be one.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:25am
  - cmm
    
    Poor Willy Jackson at https://youtu.be/x49lRApsdJk?t=282
    
    He has a “What the hell did I get myself into? You mean there’s another 2.5 years of this embarrassment!” look about him.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:49am
    - RF
      
      The look on the ducks face is priceless.
      
      He is very pissed off that his old flame is getting her fire extinguished by intelligent questioning
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:15am
      - KiWombat
        
        Yes he had to step in and shut down Melissa Lee’s questioning of Curran – she was flustered and confused and had no idea how to answer the question. Even after several attempts !
        
        Looked like those around her were equally unprepared because there was no frantic note passing as we have often seen in such cases.
        
        This is a real can of worms – get out the can opener Melissa !
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:43am
      - Viking2
        
        Recognise the condition?
        Menopausal woman.
        
        Mind U she might be missing a bit of the alternative action administered by the Bent Pope.
        
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        March 2, 2018 8:04pm
    - oldgolfer
      
      Brings new emphasis to ”slack-jawed”.
      God, give me strength.
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:04am
      - KiWombat
        
        Maybe it was just his hemorrhoids playing up, equally uncomfortable I would think !
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:53am
- KevOB
  
  There are other on the Labour benches who are not given the chance to show their incompetence. Claire Curran is able by comparison. General level: fishn chip staff standard–that’s the mean.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:24am
- alex Masterley
  
  I feel for the citizens of South Dunedin having someone like her as their MP.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    They had the choice so they probably got what they deserved.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:55am
    - KiWombat
      
      Bet they are re-thinking that decision now !
      
      But that pre-supposes that they might be thinkers – dumb comment !
      
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      March 2, 2018 7:35pm
  - Viking2
    
    Guess TV hasn’t reached that far south yet so no chance they will see her in action.
    If I were the Nats, I would be pushing video’s of her into every corner of Dunedin.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:08pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Haha. Excellent. Melissa Lee smashed it. And good questions too. We had the same situation locally ,
  when the Herald putting a local election piece up about the issues in our area, and the commentator was introduced as head of a environmental charity but was actually a parliamentary staffer for a local mp.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:48am
- Longknives
  
  “I used to think that Kelvin Davis was the dimmest person in Parliament, but after seeing her performance yesterday, I think that Clare Curran wears the crown.”
  
  Davis and Curran are positively Mensa compared to that woman in Labour who married her cousin…
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:21am
  - Swifty
    
    What?
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:29am
  - KiWombat
    
    That would help account for the less than average IQ if they are intermarrying – like Tasmanians ?
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:49am
- dime
  
  at leasther hair always looks lovely.
  
  its not easy pulling off “westie trash mullet for ladies”
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:27am
Inandout

Merkel schmerkel admits there are no go areas in Germany. Then there is the rest of Europe.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/925727/Angela-Merkel-Germany-latest-news-no-go-zone-reality-refugee-crisis
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March 2, 2018 8:02am
- cmm
  
  I guess everything is relative.
  
  In the ideal East Germany she grew up in and loved so much, the whole of West Germany was a no-go zone.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:05am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I note that in the German interview, Merkel uses the term “No Go area” in English, rather than a German expression.
  Japanese politicians also tend to transliterate US English expressions for social phenomena (such as “seku-hara” sexual harassment) which in a way implies that these have come into Japan “from outside.”
  By using the English term “No Go area”, Merkel is implying that this is not a German-created problem, when it was her administration that allowed the situation to develop in the first place.
  
  Where is the sense of responsibility that I thought the Germans understood?
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:59am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Maybe Merkel didn’t want to confuse no-go Areas with restricted areas (das
    Sperrgebiet) which might invoke unpleasant memories.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1138299/The-Holocaust-Horrifying-secrets-Germanys-earliest-genocide-inside-Africas-Forbidden-Zone.html
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:18am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      You are probably right.
      
      This is how these loan-words come about.
      First, there is some social problem that the German (or Japanese) media doesn’t want to talk about.
      Next, foreign reporters cotton on to what is happening, and come up with their own term for the phenomenon.
      In the third stage, the German (or Japanese, etc.) media transliterate the phrase. This is comforting to them because they don’t have to take the responsibility of thinking about or naming the phenomenon in the first place.
      Once you describe a new phenomenon or (God forbid) name it, then you are partially responsible for it.
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:23am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  “The no-go zone is a common phrase and myth used in anti-immigration rhetoric, which claims that certain parts of the country experience so much concentrated immigration that entire streets can be resided by migratory families. While this is reasonable for a country with concentrated migration, the “no-go zone” myth goes further, arguing that because of this, non-migrants are banned from walking into these neighborhoods by gangs. The purpose of the myth is to declare all immigrants to be racist and thus deserving of any prejudice against them. An investigation of the myth by Snopes found examples dating back to the 9/11 attacks.[1…”
  
  https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No-go_zone
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:53am
  - The Virgin
    
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/No-go_zone:
    ‘This page contains too many unsourced statements and needs to be improved.’
    
    You dim-witted leftard, poor attempt at refuting fact that was expressed by none other than Merkel herself. Tear your self away from the goat and undertake some better research.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:02am
  - flipper
    
    SNOPES = CRAP = DUMBASS STUPIDBOY.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:24am
    - stephieboy
      
      flipper , examples ?
      
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      March 2, 2018 10:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Examples of no-go areas in North Rhine-Westphalia
        Aachen, Bielefeld, Bochum, Bonn, Bottrop, Dorsten, Duisburg, Düsseldorf, Essen, Euskirchen, Gelsenkirchen-Süd, Gladbeck, Hagen, Hamm, Heinsberg, Herne, Iserlohn, Kleve, Cologne, Lippe, Lüdenscheid, Marl, Mettmann, Minden, Mönchengladbach, Münster, Neuss, Oberhausen, Recklinghausen, Remscheid, Rhein-Erft-Kreis, Rhein-Sieg-Kreis, Solingen, Unna, Witten and Wuppertal.
        https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/merkel-finally-acknowledges-german-no-go-zones-vows-eliminate
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:45am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W , the response a nd rebuttal is here ,
        
        https://www.quora.com/Why-is-Merkel-vowing-to-eliminate-no-go-areas-if-theyre-a-right-wing-myth
        
        These so called no go zones are nothing remotely like the Jewish ghettoes of Nazi occupied Poland .
        
        They certainly don’t exist in Britain , France and elsewhere /
        
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        March 2, 2018 2:31pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Stepthing, if you are taking lessons from zdiv. Don’t, he’s not as good as he thinks he is & you are just looking like a bad and even more knocked off, inexperienced clone.
        
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        March 2, 2018 6:27pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Maggy, you realise you listed nearly every city in the state with a population over 200k (obvious ones missing are Dortmund und Leverkushen).
        I would dispute some of that list as I lived & worked in Essen for 2 years (Kettweig und Werden both by the Ruhr, beautiful environment to live despite being in the Ruhrgebeit).
        
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        March 2, 2018 6:39pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    O- – oh.
    Here’s the cream of our intelligensia telling us that no-go zones are just a figment of our imagination – probably an ‘alt-right’ construct.
    Gawd you are thick, dumb, stupid …….can’t think of enough superlatives for him/her/it.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:35am
  - Fletch
    
    Stephie, I suggest you read the book No Go Zones: How Sharia Law Is Coming to a Neighborhood Near You, by Raheem Kassam. His complexion is such that he was able to go into these zones and experience what it was like for himself.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:46am
- simpleton1
  
  The French admit to ZUS;- Zone urbaine sensible.
  National Observatory of Sensitive Urban Zones (ZUS) was created in a law passed on August 1, 2003 to standardize the statistics.
  The government has published the list of zones and maps of each of the 751 sensitive urban zones
  
  In Sweden they classify them as “vulnerable area”, “risk area” and “especially vulnerable area”.
  December 2015 report, these areas numbered 53. June 2017 report, these totalled 61.
  
  Belgium’s home affairs minister in 2015 said that the government did not “have control of the situation in Molenbeek” and that terrorists’ links to this district were a “gigantic problem”.
  
  All from wikipedia
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:12am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If an area is “vulnerable” then something (from outside) might come and do bad things there.
    
    I would rather use the word “colonized” than “vulnerable.”
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:26am
  - stephieboy
    
    simpleton 1 , there is no evidence of no go zones meaning areas where the general public are either forbidden and afraid enter ,
    
    British Redditor debunks myths about London ‘no-go zones’ after being dared to walk around Woolwich
    
    Responding to a dare from another user who claimed areas of London have become ‘radicalised’, one Redditor went to Woolwich with a bottle of wine to prove them wrong
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/trump-london-no-go-zones-radicalised-woolwich-reddit-video-a6766511.html
    
    and ,
    
    How The Myth Of Lawless “No-Go Zones” In Sweden Took Hold Among Right-Wing Media
    Swedish authorities say there are no such areas in the country.
    
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/ishmaeldaro/no-go-zone-myth?utm_term=.xjoqVV1z4#.aqo6ggLlJ
    
    Next we will be told how Mt Roskill is a no go zone
    
    LOL !
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:32am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Upon the way to St Lukes Mall
      I met a man with a whitesh pall
      I asked him kindly, to help find some bits
      He replied with a leer
      “I’m just here to stare at tits”
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:34am
    - Duxton
      
      stephieboy, are the goat hormones playing around with your head again?
      
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      March 2, 2018 12:44pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Stephie Woolwich has a barracks where a soldier was hacked to death by a moron out to exact jihad. Not necessarily a dangerous place to go though. Trump was feeding of this incident.
      
      If you want “no go in the UK, I could list a 100 other places because, including London. There are places like the estates in Tottenham where there have been race riots, Sheppard’s Bush where Jamaican yardie gangs rule. Both areas are in different parts of London.
      
      So, relying on social media for your information is bloody dumb.
      
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      March 2, 2018 6:53pm
- Longknives
  
  I spent some time in Germany about ten years ago- Was a beautiful and fascinating Country.
  
  It astonishes me that they have done this to themselves…
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives , my Brother and his wife visited it last year and is still a beautiful country !
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Verstehen Sie Deutsch, Stephieboy?
      https://www.n-tv.de/mediathek/videos/politik/Aufrechterhaltung-der-oeffentlichen-Sicherheit-bereitet-Probleme-article17450726.html
      
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      March 2, 2018 10:53am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy , I take you have been there recently on an extensive fact finding visit ?
        
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        March 2, 2018 2:33pm
    - simpleton1
      
      Just another government official recognizing the problem as I mentioned above in Sweden, Belgium and France.
      So Merkel would know Germany the best.
      
      “that’s areas where nobody dares to go.”
      She added: “There are such areas and one has to call them by their name and do something about them.”
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/merkel-says-germany-has-no-go-areas-govt-wont-say-where/2018/02/28/00993bd0-1ca9-11e8-98f5-ceecfa8741b6_story.html?utm_term=.6922cd248998
      
      The real issue is “no police” areas, so German law is not being applied.
      
      Many, many parts of Germany are not so fraught, and away from large groups of ‘immigrants’ are great.
      
      But why is it recognized in Sweden the number of “vulnerable” “risk” and “especially vulnerable areas” increasing in number from 53 to 61 in 2 years?
      
      So finally government official Merkel also now calls it “no go zones”, where German police finds a number of areas, that it is very difficult to keep German law and order
      
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      March 2, 2018 3:14pm
cmm

So what does the change of President in South Africa really mean?

The old guy, Zuma, was clearly corrupt up to his armpits. With over 700 corruption charges, something has got to stick. He is also uneducated and borderline illiterate – he has a Year 4 education.

Zuma had a few things going in his favour though:
* He’s a Zulu. Being a member of the largest and most powerful tribe in South Africa gives him support that he does not need to earn.
* He was the last of the Umkonto we Sizwe (Armed wing of ANC) “freedom fighter” leaders. This gave him a certain degree of revolutionary “street cred”.
* He was anointed for the position by Mandela and nobody wants to disagree with Madiba.

Now along comes Ramaphosa. He’s not as criminally corrupt, but he has no doubt profited hansomly from his ability to lubricate deals and found himself on the board of directors of many large corporations. At one time he was the principle franchisee for McDonalds, taking a bite out of every burger transaction.

Ramaphosa lacks the things Zuma has:
* He’s a Venda, not a Zulu. From a Zulu perspective, Venda are a pesky minor tribe that were sent running in the Mfecane.
* While he did play a role in strikes and other civil disobedience, he is not Umkonto we Sizwe. It is easy to paint him as a “umlungu emnyama” – black on the outside and white on the inside – something that the EFF is trying to do.

Before Zuma came to power, the KwaZulu Natal region (where most of the Zulus live) was rife with constant battles between the Inkhata Freedom Party (more traditionally Zulu) and the ANC. This is a battle that has gone on since the 1960s and a lot of apartheid-era policing and military resources were deployed in peacekeeping.

When Zuma, an ANC Zulu, was in power, this conflict was vastly reduced. Now he’s gone, expect the ANC vs Zulu violence to erupt again. Expect a return to 1980s level tribal violence in KZN over the next year. However this time there is no white government (and white conscripts) to keep the peace. The government forces are now run by ANC, but staffed by Zulus.

More tomorrow, if people seem interested.
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March 2, 2018 8:02am
- CHFR1
  
  I am saddened to see what is happening in South Africa. I still have an aunt and 2 cousins over there and all I can see in their future is Zimbabwe but on a scale much worse.
  Still I say now there is a black dominated country in Africa that is safe we swop our Somali refugees for white SA farmers as I am sure they will get jobs that don’t involve driving a taxi.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:08am
  - cmm
    
    I would swap the typical Somali refugees for the blacks that I predict are going to flood out of South Africa: the honest and educated black professionals who can see the writing on the wall and realise there is no good place for them and their families in a corrupt society – regardless of who is running it.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:41am
  - Piniwi
    
    But CHFR1 Minto and his mob will be so delighted that apartheid has been abolished. It this the better life for the people they wanted?
    
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    March 2, 2018 6:00pm
- Inandout
  
  You are describing black Africa, almost a total basket case. As in NZ, tribal comes before the good of the country.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:10am
  - Tarquin North
    
    The scary part is more than a few entitled tribalists in this country are looking on thinking that’s a good idea.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:20am
    - KevOB
      
      But NZ tribes have no cohesion,
      
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      March 2, 2018 8:26am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        What is the relationship between the notion of a “tribe” and that of “identity politics”?
        
        They seem very similar in the way they operate.
        
        A divided house is easier to control.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:02am
      - KevOB
        
        Tribes tribes claim independent arrival in NZ and separate tribal lines. Before Waitiangi they were killing each other off and they have never collectively coalesced into a united nation under the one leader. That’s the difficulty the Maori Party had–others had different tribal loyalties to the then leader of the Maori Party and were pleased to take them out.
        Up North, after years of infighting, they have still not been able to get agreement as to who is to represent their tribe in the Waitangi Treaty claims.
        
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        March 2, 2018 1:57pm
- Dave Mann
  
  South Africa votes to confiscate white-owned land without compensation
  
  Please spare a thought for the tens of thousands of people in South Africa who are about to lose not only their livelihoods but also their homes.
  
  Why is there not an international outcry over this? What will happen to these people and their families? Where will they go?
  
  I found it really informative about the new morality that the NZ Herald chose to report this in their BUSINESS pages.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12003693
  
  Just take a minute to reflect on this. What would it be like if something like this happened here under the TOW or some historical grievance process?
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:14am
  - Lance
    
    Of course our govt will rapidly send a strongly worded protest on such vile racism and state sanctioned theft.
    /sarc/
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:25am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Cindy is too busy having a conversation about Manus Island with Malcolm Turnbull. I bet the Aussie PM is really enjoying the visit from our PM Select. //
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:53am
      - KKKKatee
        
        And he’s sure too be really impressed with the BF.
        Now, if it was Natalie Bridges then I’m sure Malcolm Turnbull would be very impressed with the calibre and grace and style she exudes.
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:40am
      - cmm
        
        You’ve got to admit that Cindy being PM of Manus Island sounds like some good fishing opportunities for First Boyfriend.
        
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        March 2, 2018 12:57pm
    - kowtow
      
      ‘He said Parliament’s priorities are “warped” after New Zealand First and Labour said they would veto his proposed motion to condemn South Africa’s decision to allow land owned by white farmers to be confiscated without compensation.’
      
      http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/03/david-seymour-refuses-to-congratulate-olympians.html
      
      The headline makes it about Olympians when really it is about white genocide and this gummint doesn’t care.
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:17am
  - VicParking
    
    Red Radio has just finished interviewing a white? (Its radio so I cant confirm) South African on the subject. The Radios’s line was the South African Government was in the right and the Farmers stole the land from the indigenous people without compensation.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:43am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Ridiculous though it sounds, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s how many people here think about NZ farms, albeit at a subconscious level.
      
      Not many would (yet) come out and openly advocate for land confiscation…. but I’m sure that a sizeable minority of kiwis’ background believe that ‘the evil white colonialists came out here and stole the country off the Maoris’. This after all is what these neverending TOW settlements are all about.
      
      The events in South Africa will have a flow-on effect all over the world, not least in Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
      
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      March 2, 2018 8:57am
      - Jigsaw
        
        Plenty of people online say that all of the land in New Zealand was stolen by whites in spite of the fact that the records show the purchase. I doubt anyone knows the extent of the brainwashing that is going on in immersion schools but the results are often on parade in Facebook. I certainly wouldn’t be surprised to find similar attitudes to land confiscation here.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:15am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Maybe the Ainu will demand the Japanese government return the land of the northern island of Hokkaido to them.
        I suspect that the peoples of the (former) Ryukyu Island empire (that we know as Okinawa) would like the Japanese to leave.
        
        Enemies of a nation will often attack it by calling for the “return of stolen lands.” It’s an old trick. If you look back in time far enough, you will almost always find some aboriginal group that you can use.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:45am
      - cmm
        
        A lot of these talking heads are connected to universities and other jobs at the mercy of government largess etc. Any that put their heads above the parapets had them shot off long ago. You are unlikely to get an honest word out of any of them – and I don’t blame them given their situation.
        
        There are no doubt many whites in South Africa who are happy to see this being made all about the Afrikaner farmers.
        
        They are happy to throw the Afrikaner farmers under the bus because it takes the heat off them.
        
        Just like in any genocide you can walk past the bloke being hacked to death thinking oh well, at least it isn’t me. Even better, help put in the boot a bit yourself to show you’re no threat.
        
        But that’s temporary. Next it will be envy of the whites living in nice city houses. If blacks can take the land off the farmers then why can’t they take the nice city houses off the whites too? After all the cities are all supposedly built on black land too and the whites only have them because of colonialism and stuff.
        
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        March 2, 2018 1:09pm
    - Harkman
      
      “The Radios’s line was the South African Government was in the right and the Farmers stole the land from the indigenous people without compensation.” They have been there for like 400 years, Jim Rogers (while traveling around the world) claimed that most whites (like here in NZ) settled uninhabited places because they were scared of the blacks.
      
      Interestingly, this is the divergence from Common Law, the government takes property without compensation, once this happens these countries are unsalvageable (Pakistan has slowly abandoned Common Law for Sharia Law, now it is a shithole).
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:16am
      - Gabby
        
        They always say that everywhere hackman. The sudden increase in homeless natives is coincidence, sheer coincidence.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:18am
      - cmm
        
        Gabby, the huge increase in homeless natives normally comes from something very different: health care and the availability of cheap food.
        
        If you’re living a traditional subsistence African lifestyle (ie. a few cattle and chickens etc, hoeing your own fields to raise a few square metres of some traditional grain) then 90% of the babies you have die in their first year, women die in childbirth etc. There is constant war, so that kills off men.
        
        Then come the Portugese in the late 1500s, bringing sweet potatoes (kumara), maize and beans from South America and teach some farming basics. Agricultural productivity increases and populations increase, but infant mortality is still huge.
        
        Then come the Brits (the best colonials). They bring hospitals, medicines etc. The third biggest hospital in the world (the biggest outside China) was built for black people by the white government in South Africa. Now the kids survive. Population goes exponential.
        
        When the Brits leave government, corruption sets in so the people at the bottom are even worse off.
        
        This is not isolated to South Africa.
        
        South African population has increased about 15 times since 1900. That’s going to lead to housing issues etc.
        
        And, by the way, the “terrible” shacks etc people are living in in South Africa are no worse than what average people lived in before the colonials showed up.
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:01am
      - Evadne
        
        CMM: good analysis.
        
        Some years ago, as the effect of Mugabe’s policies were just beginning to be felt, I became friendly with a black Zimbabwean couple. They were educated professionals, deeply committed to their country and their extended families there.
        
        We discussed colonialism, whites, tribal politics etc, and how they saw it all. They had very strong feelings, and a sense of betrayal, frustration, and despair at what was happening.
        
        All summed up by the comment, “I do not blame the British for coming in the first place. I blame them for leaving. ”
        
        The colonists brought masses of things (eg. technology, health, business, education), all held together and distributed by law, order, and governance. When that governance was withdrawn, the system collapsed.
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:09am
      - doggone7
        
        Jigsaw; “I doubt anyone knows the extent of the brainwashing that is going on in immersion schools but the results are often on parade in Facebook.”
        
        I assume the charter immersion schools have their own curriculum. That’s what we want.
        
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        March 2, 2018 12:42pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      My understanding is that South Africa, prior to colonisation, was very sparsely populated, and mainly only around the coast.
      The Dutch and English migrants found the interior virtually uninhabited and turned it into a fertile and productive land, and black migration from coastal and northern areas commenced.
      I stand to be corrected.
      
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      March 2, 2018 10:42am
      - cmm
        
        You might find what I wrote yesterday helpful.
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:50am
  - cmm
    
    “Please spare a thought for the tens of thousands of people in South Africa who are about to lose not only their livelihoods but also their homes. ”
    
    And it is not just the Afrikaners either. All those farmers employ workers who will no longer be productively employed. They also injected money into those rural economies which supported millions of people. With no rural livelihood many are going to head to the cities.
    
    Then of course there’s the food angle. South Africa is no longer feeding itself and that is only going to get worse. No more “fat and happy”. Hungry people get desperate. Desperate people get polarised and violent.
    
    This is not a case of whites winning and blacks losing, but a matter of everyone losing.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:59am
  - backster
    
    I have not become aware of the NZ Foreign Minister’s view of the policy is.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:12am
  - Liberty
    
    Where is Minto?
    When does the rioting start to support the white farmers?
    
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    March 2, 2018 1:05pm
    - cmm
      
      I doubt I’d waste a full bladder if Minto was on fire, but he did at least have the guts to say that the new lot of South African leaders are terrible and are letting their people down.
      
      Not much, I grant you, but at least more than Cindy and Winnie who feel they’ve done their bit for humanity by making snarky Trump remarks and talking up the plight of Manus Island criminals.
      
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      March 2, 2018 3:14pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Spare a thought for what this is going to do to the economy as a whole.
    
    1. It’s the banks rather than the farmer who owns the farm, or at least a big chunk of it. The whole economy is going to wear this stupidity.
    2. They also finance the equipment.
    
    Those farms didn’t exist before the farmer (or his ancestors) arrived. Frankly based on the evidence they won’t exist 5 years after they’ve gone.
    
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    March 2, 2018 4:05pm
- Huevon
  
  Very interesting, keep it coming. It’s refreshing to hear an informed perspective on the situation.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:20am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes it looks like SA is well on its way to tribal warfare, racial warfare, and on its way to being another sh..hole.
  
  And it used to be one of the richest countries in Africa.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:22am
- milkmaid
  
  Thanks for the update. I spent about 5 or 6 years living in South Africa, so it is quite dear to my heart and this latest news is quite disturbing. Things have always been tough there for many, but I can’t help feeling that now nearly all are going to starve.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:25am
- Scott
  
  Very interesting comments CMM – many thanks.
  
  On a broader level I would say is there one African country that is run properly? South Africa post apartheid was run decently and had higher levels of prosperity than any other African country.
  
  Now the Blacks are in charge it seems to be going downhill and becoming just another Third World country. The question has to be asked – are black Africans capable of running a decent country?
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:30am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Based on the evidence, no.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:57am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If ________ (insert ethnic group) fail in running a country, then logically there must be two explanations.
    
    Either they are incapable (the problem lies with their personal qualities or culture)
    or
    They are the victims of some external agent (human or natural).
    
    So, is it one or the other (or a combination of both)?
    
    Too black-and-white?
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:59am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Nigeria ? –almost.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:47am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Wasn’t Nigeria put together by Dr. Frankenstone of the Royal British Scientific Society out of the corpses of several incompatible tribal regions?
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Mauritius seems to be at the top of the list
    http://www.africanews.com/2017/11/20/mauritius-the-best-governed-country-in-africa-mo-ibrahim//
    
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    March 2, 2018 11:16am
    - cmm
      
      That’s a bit like saying the Christchurch Cathedral was the best building in North Island.
      
      It is a stretch to say Madagascar, Mauritius, etc are really part of Africa.
      
      Mauritius was uninhabited until Dutch colonised in 1600s, then abandoned. French came along in 1700s, then the Brits turfed them out.
      
      It was visited a few times by Arabs and Europeans before the Dutch arrived, but no real Africans.
      
      Africans have never really been boat building seafaring people beyond a few dug out logs on larger African lakes and the Okovango swamps. You need pretty good ships to cross the 400-odd km stretch of treacherous waters from Africa proper to Madagascar and beyond. Those that went to Madagascar around 1000 years ago either got Arabian or Polynesian help to do that.
      
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      March 2, 2018 3:40pm
  - Duxton
    
    No
    
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    March 2, 2018 12:57pm
  - Random Punter
    
    Botswana?
    
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    March 2, 2018 1:17pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Colonialism looks positively saintly in comparison!
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:44am
flipper

I cannot see how Curran can survive as a Minister. She was done like a di8nner (burned, that is) in the House yesterday, along with Red Radio and Ardern’s staffer who was passed off as an independent commentator while working for Ardern..
If you did not see it live, go to Hansard and check it out.

Fraser House will be busy instructing their shills on how to lie……,
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March 2, 2018 8:06am
- Gabby
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  She got her hats mixed up frigger, Ponyboy can help her with that.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:18am
- KevOB
  
  I suspect the opposition has gotten into oppose and attack mode. That is not what they are supposed to do. It’s their duty to peacefully let the government do its business no matter how unsanitory.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:30am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    You’ve been reading the Labour oposition play book.
    “Roster on a duty noise maker so no one knows the rest of us are asleep”
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:41am
    - KevOB
      
      I have encountered most of their tricks.It seems National is calling out the fire tender.
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:34am
  - Gabby
    
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    Slick Britches launched an all out attack on the blundering incompetence of Slick Britches. Slick Britches is gettin angry, he thundered slowly. Slick Britches reckons the previous minister is an A grade arsehat. Slick Britches is talkin bout himself again.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:47am
    - Duxton
      
      Calm down, chill out.
      
      I’m sure Clark Gayford could give you something to help.
      
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      March 2, 2018 12:59pm
  - peterwn
    
    The overarching objective of a political party is to get into power and if in power to stay in power. It is not a game of tiddleywinks. Therefore what the opposition does is fair game as long as the overall objective is to increase the number of votes.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:25am
    - KevOB
      
      They only have to recognise fully the Labour games and return fire.
      
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      March 2, 2018 2:02pm
- VicParking
  
  This person was from the Prime Ministers Department. Have National got the Guts to go for Jacinda and ask her if she knew her Staffer was on the program.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:46am
  - cmm
    
    There is no way they can spin this to look good.
    
    Either:
    * The staffer went with Jacinda’s blessing
    – or –
    * One must question her judgment (and the judgment around her) in selecting staff.
    
    Regardless:
    * Curren is digging herself in deeper by trying to shrug it off.
    * Radio NZ are complicit and Joe and Jane punter are going to get annoyed about having their pockets lightened to give RNZ even more money to become even more partisan.
    
    Which would most kiwis want: Another charter school for South Auckland or RNZ?
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:07am
    - plc
      
      Really? You think Joe and Jane punter give a toss. It’s a beltway/social media echo chamber issue.
      
      IMO joe & Jane care more about the lack of new houses built, the lack of trees planted, closing of what look like successful schools.
      
      And probably MAFS on TV3
      
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      March 2, 2018 10:38am
      - cmm
        
        To an extent you are correct. MAFS is bigger than politics to J&J Punter.
        
        But some issues get too big and they are likely to put down the chips and get off the sofa for charter schools. Once they are up they might look around a bit more.
        
        I doubt many care about stuff like trees and RNZ excpet when put in juxtaposition: What? You buggers want to shut down the schools and instead spend money on trees and some poncy ballet and shit on RNZ?
        
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        March 2, 2018 2:40pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      This information is only available to those who watch Parliament question time or read about it on blogs. Mr & Mz Public have no idea.
      Its not like Red Radio is going to tell them.
      
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      March 2, 2018 2:19pm
      - Suze Wainwright
        
        Well, RNZ have tried to go into damage control mode and acknowledged something bad happened and it won’t happen again… (https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/351579/national-raises-questions-about-rnz-commentator).
        You’re right – the average punter/voter probably wouldn’t give two hoots about something dodgy occurring at RNZ, but the line that this ‘caring’ govt for the people that thinks capitalism hurts everyone, so it’ll spend a heap more on RNZ rather than charter schools could be a good angle.
        Targeting the PM and demanding to know whether she knew whether one of her staffers was appearing as an unbiased/independent contractor trumpeting the govt’s view on life could gain traction – trouble is there’s two weeks of a legal team in overdrive composing a suitable alternative spin as to how this all happened before the next set of questioning…
        It’s interesting though – small, apparently insignificant scandals sometimes develop a habit of ‘snowballing’ (and possibly bringing down governments).
        
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        March 2, 2018 7:31pm
- backster
  
  Re Melissa Lee catching out Curran. I didn’t hear Soper reporting on this nor could I find it on Stuff, yet surely it was of interest to the Public.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:19am
  - KKKKatee
    
    No, it’s only when his fav Labour team do it an we’ve yet to see anyone from the red team ask an intelligent question.
    Remember, he’s still heavily intoxicated drinking the Jacinda Koolaid.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:38am
  - KiWombat
    
    There was not an intelligent (or for that matter intelligible) word come out of Curran’s mouth. She was completely flustered !
    
    Bet the fire trucks will be around at her office today !
    
    Keep digging Melissa
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:57am
- Paulus
  
  Not seem anything regarding Curren fiasco in the media.
  I wonder why not ?
  I expect that Heather has told her to just STFU and it will all go away, as usual.
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:25pm
Chris R

I see the Islamo pricks in Nigeria have kidnapped more school-girls whose lives will be forever blighted. When will there be an outcry from Golly Gosh Guy’s Green Girlfriend on this atrocity? Will she race to Africa to defend the perpetrators after virtue signalling on behalf of the unfortunate abductees? Not a chance!
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March 2, 2018 8:06am
- Lance
  
  No, Genta will just call you all racist old white men and say how you don’t understand this acceptable cultural practice
  And if you aren’t an old white man you will be made an honoury old white man for holding contrary views to her
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:08am
  - Simon
    
    ” Islamo pricks in Nigeria have kidnapped more school-girls”
    
    They get their inspiration from Muhammad the Paedeo.
    
    Muhammad the Paedophile in 2018 is still the perfect man for them and millions of other Muslims.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:22am
  - simpleton1
    
    And take the advice of Mohammad adjusting “cultural practice” by saying “do not cut too deeply”, therefore leading the ulema to advise for all muslima, mustahabb
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustahabb
    and so one follows Mohammad and ones peers.
    
    Like “Fresh Up” drink ,that used to be advertised as, “must be good for you”
    
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    March 2, 2018 11:10am
- DigNap15
  
  No but she looked pretty hot in Question time yesterday talking about something, i’ve forgotten what.
  (face made up like a porn star)
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:24am
  - Gabby
    
    Makeup tips bignipis? There I was thinking your expertise didn’t quite stretch to hankie for snot, not sleeve. Do share.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:43am
  - VicParking
    
    Patsy Question to make Two mothers look good
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:48am
  - Paulus
    
    Many pregnant women glow with health.
    But not all, see Cinderella looks washed out.
    Good luck to them.
    Ignore their political leanings though.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:00am
    - Harkman
      
      True, she is looking terrible. People think she is pretty, I don’t see it anymore (7-8 years ago yes but not anymore).
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:20am
      - Longknives
        
        She looks dreadful- Has done since the Election.
        Pale, Gaunt and Stressed.
        Those clothes she wears don’t help either…
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:28am
  - Duxton
    
    That’s because, fundamentally, she is a porn star.
    
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    March 2, 2018 1:05pm
- stephieboy
  
  Chris R, if you provide a link then that helps . Likely the work Boko Haram , a local version of Al Qaeda, which the government is trying to combat with US and other outside help ,
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/11/world/africa/us-warplanes-nigeria-boko-haram.html
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:57am
  - simpleton1
    
    Thanks stephieboy for your link.
    Do not forget about the politics of who is in charge in Nigeria
    Here is the link about the attacking muslims, that burnt down 9 churches. Those churches may be poor, but the burning is a bit more than some scaffolding around the Dorchester church.
    
    “Despite several calls to the governor and his deputy, and other security apparatus, the government remained silent as the atrocities continued.
    
    “The Fulani were able to carry out their deadly attack. They stayed for hours in the vicinity, moving at will, unchallenged.”
    
    Christians are subject to waves of oppression and attacks in Nigeria
    Details of the attack, which took place in north-eastern state of Adamawa earlier this year, have only just emerged.
    
    In the central state of Nasarawa, 25 villages have been destroyed since January 15.
    
    Again, the predominately Christian victims said they had been abandoned by leaders.
    
    A spokesman for the Concerned Indigenous Tiv People group said: “Since the outbreak of the crisis on January 15 this year, due to the Fulani /herdsmen attack on our villages, leading to the displacement of Tiv in their ancestral homes, the Nasarawa State Governor, Tanko Almakura, has done very little to bring the situation under control.” https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/919422/christian-persecution-nigeria-islamic-Nasarawa
    
    For all the military aid given to the government, why does it seem slow to come to their aid?
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:55am
Huevon

Repost:
Bill English’s valedictory speech…

https://youtu.be/-NskfjuGarI

Sir, you are a good man. It breaks my heart to think that you were denied the opportunity to serve 3 more years in government by the duplicitous, conniving scumbag Peters.
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March 2, 2018 8:11am
- peterwn
  
  Meanwhile over at Whaleoil, Cam is absolutely seething with venom.
  “The harm that man has done to me and my family over the years is something that will appear in my book one day. It will stagger people to realise that this bumpkin is such a vicious, nasty, vindictive prick.”
  Welcome to politics, Cam. I cannot think what harm Bill would have done to you personally. If Bill considered that John Slater was past his use-by date as National Party President at the time, then so be it. The National Party was in a mess in the early 2000’s thanks to Rob Muldoon then Jim Bolger trying to persist with Rogernomics type policies such as privatising the streets outside peoples houses and picking an unwinnable fight with firefighters. Change was inevitable.
  Bill and Michelle Boag (who replaced John as President) did their best but the damage was too great to fix by 2002, and both took it on the nose following the disastrous 2002 election result.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:47am
  - CHFR1
    
    Cam Slater is a grade A asshole and I suspect he will white ant Bridges (not my ideal leader but he is the one we have) all the way to irrelivence.
    I suspect his echo chamber will grow louder and those of us on he outside will say he truly has become New Zealand’s Little Green Footballs, a once great blog that lost its way then the blog owner lost his mind.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:59am
    - peterwn
      
      I do not think there will ever be an ‘ideal’ party leader. Perhaps John Key came closest to this. Pragmatically, the National Party MP’s are collectively in the beat position to select the leader. They have to work with the leader and are incentivised by wanting to get back into power. The sign of a strong cohesive caucus is one where MP’s will swallow rats where need be and get right in behind the new leader and definitely not to run ‘white ant’ campaigns. Similarly with the party at large and its activist membership.
      Early days yet, but Simon is already off to a good start. He will make mistakes, but that is to expected. He will no doubt take advice from the missus how to perfect media skills including handling leaders debates. However he will not be all things to all people so he will disappoint those who think National should return to its ‘founding principles’ whatever they are.
      My personal preference for leader would have been Judith Collins, but thinking objectively I doubt it would have worked out.
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:24am
  - Paulus
    
    The expression of vicious, nasty, vindictive must be a morning mirror view of WO himself.
    Sad poor man.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:04am
    - doggone7
      
      If he’s like that would he be that much out of place posting on here?
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:43am
  - flipper
    
    But hang on….
    
    Objective political reporters NEVER allow personal matters to interfere with their reporting / commentating.
    The party President was / is always in the firing line …. back to and including the days of Meadowcroft, Ned Holt and George Chapman, that I know of s watched. More recently there have been the attacks on Goodfellow ….
    No one would say that Slater Snr did not try. He did his best. But for his kin to shit on the party for personal reasons is, well at best, childish !!!
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:28am
    - stephieboy
      
      flipper simply put ,the Nats have no room for alt right political wild cards and nutters like you
      
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      March 2, 2018 10:01am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Sad that Bill didn’t get to fully implement his plans for overhauling the welfare policies of the country to instil self-reliance in those on welfare, so they could gain employment and grow some self-belief and independence from the state.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:02am
    - GoVege
      
      Yes WG, I can just see all those families with 11, 14, 16 kids whatever achieving independence from the state.
      Wonder what kind of salary they could support that many kids on….a brain surgeon’s perhaps? 🙂
      
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      March 2, 2018 3:54pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        If they weren’t supported by the state/taxpayer to have that number of children and were instead expected to provide for their own, those parents might start to take some responsibility and limit the number of kids they have financing their current way of life.
        
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        March 2, 2018 7:52pm
      - GoVege
        
        Exactly my point, WG.
        At present, the public money available to support families on the dole or dpb is virtually unlimited.
        Even the most well-off families in the country would find it difficult to support the number of children many bludgers on bennies have at the taxpayers’ expense.
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:42pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    CS needs to learn to breathe through his nose.
    
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    March 2, 2018 2:28pm
Inandout

How nice to see CNN are almost universally unpopular amongst viewers, and Hannity/Tucker on Fox the most watched. I tuned into CNN last night to see how their presenters came across, and was taken aback by the sourness and negativity. I am sure most Yanks don’t think like that.
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March 2, 2018 8:14am
- Scott
  
  I have been following the latest school shooting on Fox mainly and occasionally CNN.
  But here is an interesting take on the situation that comes from the powerline blog –
  
  “Sheriff Scott Israel provides a perfect example of the new mentality — the culture of leniency. Speaking at a mosque, he remarked:
  
  I have said over and over again, we have to measure the success of the Broward Sherriff’s office by the kids we keep out of jail, not by the kids we put in jail. We have to give our children second chances and third chances.”
  
  That is just so wrong on so many levels!?
  
  http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2018/02/parkland-and-the-culture-of-leniency.php
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:33am
  - Harkman
    
    See Fox was saying that the Sheriff’s officers visited Nikolas Cruz’s house some 45 times, and didn’t see him as a risk. Scott Israel told media it was only 23 times. WTF? 23 is massive, 45 is chaotic.
    
    The office also sent an email memo saying anything media criticism of Sheriff Israel is criticism of all staff. What arsehole, they f’d up a few 17 people are dead.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:27am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott , so the reintroduction of flogging and quarry rock breaking is the answer ?
    
    Or Taliban or ISIS style cutting off hands and stoning ?
    
    But nice try by your link deflecting the issue away from the core issue gun control !
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:05am
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy, downticked and forgotten.
      
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      March 2, 2018 10:12am
- Harkman
  
  Inandout, I did the same and they were banging on about Kushner, but he isn’t important. CNN is run by some spectacular idiots. They never criticise any Democrats, which is disturbing. We are watching CNN slowly commit suicide.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:31am
waikatogirl

Mark Richardson says he won’t be completing his census form as he “is a white male, and the less of those counted the better”. That’s if he finds his access code which he doesn’t understand anyway. ?

Anyone betting this census count will be badly skewed?
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March 2, 2018 8:15am
- Inandout
  
  waikato, Labour is running the show, expect no less.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:16am
  - sooty
    
    Looking for the missing voters are they?
    
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    March 2, 2018 2:37pm
- peterwn
  
  Statistics Department know that there would need to be follow-up’s and chase-up’s and would have planned accordingly. They would only be in trouble if the the response to the letter (either doing it online or requesting forms) is significantly lower than estimated.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:25am
  - hullkiwi
    
    According to Census GM returns are tracking at levels expected (Moaning Report at 7.15an today).
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:49am
- MCos
  
  Good opening batsman, Richardson.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:27am
  - Kimbo
    
    “You only need three scoring shots – the drive, the cut and the leg glance”. 😉
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:08am
- Scott
  
  I liked Mark Richardson as a batsman. Unfortunately he seems to have fallen into the identity politics trap. Which means that he is a white man and he is no good and it actually means that he hates himself.
  
  Identity politics is no good. It makes white people hate themselves as so-called oppressors and it makes brown people and black people bitter and resentful because they see themselves as victimised and oppressed.
  
  We should return to merit as a basis of judging people and the content of their character rather than the colour of their skin. (Paraphrasing Martin Luther King Jr.)
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:36am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Rubbish. Mark Richardson is politically aware and he has a sense of humour. His pointed comments are directed at his annoyance of the left and their promotion of “Identity politics”.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:06am
    - Scott
      
      Ok fair comment. I thought he was being serious.
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:35am
      - waikatogirl
        
        You need to develop your sense of humour Scott. ?
        
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        March 2, 2018 1:19pm
- VicParking
  
  When he’s jailed for not filling it in I would like to be a fly on the Wall when he walks into the remand yard at Mt Eden.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:53am
  - Paulus
    
    Who fills in the Census in say Mt Eden Prison as it only has one address.
    
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    March 2, 2018 1:29pm
    - sooty
      
      The Warden.
      
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      March 2, 2018 2:39pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  In the past I have left the race and religion questions blank on principle. Usually the collector notices that but I’ve never had one complain when I just tell them I refuse to answer on moral grounds.
  
  This time you can’t do that online though because the Maori question only has yes, no, or don’t know and you have to pick one.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:20am
- simpleton1
  
  I wonder just how I “feel” like on the March 6th
  
  Will my skin “feel” paler or darker?
  
  Will my “joy parts” feel more introverted or extroverted, besides possibly being horny. (No, do not throw that cold bucket of water)
  
  I wonder what accent I will feel be predominant, very local or “toffee nosed”
  
  Is it not time for census to take account of my feelings?
  
  Surely all of this must be in my “human rights” and supported by the revising of the “bill of rights” that will soon demand that census laws must comply.
  
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  March 2, 2018 11:22am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I filled mine in on line today, as my letter was addressed to the householder, imagine my surprise when my ‘code’, when inputted, was for a different address.
  Admittedly there was the opportunity to correct the address on line, but hardly a good start.
  I did, as my civic duty dictated also ring the 0800 number to say what I thought of their logistical system and questions. 😉
  
  I am however at a loss to explain the relevance of some of the questions and confused by the likely use to which the answers were to be put, ie a kitchen dining room to be counted as two rooms, when describing house size. To my mind it is one, does that make a house bigger or smaller?
  
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  March 2, 2018 12:36pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    …”kitchen dining room to be counted as two rooms, when describing house size”
    What an odd question. How does one answer when modern housing is now quite often open plan and may even include in an open area a kitchen/dining area and perhaps a lounge area as well? I do resent the collection of every aspect of our lives and I have nothing to hide. It is quite intrusive
    
    I can see why those with a shady disposition would not want to take part in census information gathering.
    
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    March 2, 2018 1:32pm
hullkiwi

Moaning Report this morning providing evidence of how dumbed down NZ has become, running a complaint service about the census. I am in my middle 50s & last filled out the census in March 1991, before I went overseas, but even I knew the census was this March. The 2011 census was delayed 2 years because of the Chc earthquake.

But the questions are why is there even a story here in people being lazy or just outright dumb? And why is so much tolerance even given to such idiots?

Finally, given Espiner was a political hack, surely even he knew there was a census due?
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March 2, 2018 8:16am
- Gabby
  
  Guyno hasn’t practised the tereo for census yet hulky wee, so it doen’t exist.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:20am
  - Prince
    
    Translation please.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:29am
    - Gabby
      
      Doesn’t Prints, DOESN’T.
      
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      March 2, 2018 8:41am
      - softail 1450
        
        grubby , sorry grubby but im relegating you to my ‘fucking idiot ” list, all this time i figured you were a pisshead but it turns out you are just insane .
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:19am
    - Inandout
      
      Sherry, coupled with typing= bad outcome.
      
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      March 2, 2018 8:54am
    - Harkman
      
      “Translation please” yes my tablet can’t translate lefty trash either.
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:33am
      - KiWombat
        
        It’s not lefty trash – try to translate from moron !
        
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        March 2, 2018 4:26pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Don’t you mean Guano?
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:46am
- Poppa
  
  I completed mine online & it was very simple, even for an old retarded non IT person
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:24am
  - DigNap15
    
    I wonder how many of our new immigrants will want to fill in the census.
    How will they even get the forms?
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:31am
- VicParking
  
  Helped a 92 and 88 year old couple fill in the census on my Tablet yesterday. They did it no trouble and only question was, “Why are they asking the questions about mold? Don’t people know how to clean anymore?
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:56am
Paulus

It has been suggested from discussion with a local Rental Company that the lack of rental properties, whilst base on supply and demand, has grown exponentially over the last say ten years is because there are many more solo mothers with X number of children needing somewhere to live.
Men appear to find their own solo level.
She says it is not unusual for a women to turn up with as many as six children to provide for, looking for somewhere to live and believe it is their right for the agencies to do something for them. HSNZ is up to its eyeball catering for the houses they have and the now those sold to Charitable Management Companies are in a similar vein. Being Maori no longer works as everybody appears to be for for the sake of accommodation.
Most have been turned out from previous accommodation due to a very various of reasons – but usually non payment of rent and “tactless” children and visiting Uncles.
Sadly she says that whilst she is very sympathetic many of her rental owners will not have it.
Previous rental experience is usually the guide used.
More and ,more owners are selling up as they are afraid of what the Government will do to them.
Older Social norms have disappeared with the leaving of a more serious gap which cannot be cleared in the short term.
Twitford and Cinderella have all the answers we are told, told, told.
If many women took the free birth control pills it could develop better but that is not happening
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March 2, 2018 8:21am
- KiWombat
  
  Spoke with an agent before Christmas about finding a house in Auckland for a family member to buy.
  
  Was advised to wait until February, as investors were starting to liquidate their assets due to uncertainty with government policy, and various threats to their income stream.
  
  So right about NOW should be the right time to buy. There has been a noticeable ebb in pricing over the last six months. However, historically housing prices double about every 8 years – and have done so for time immemorium.
  
  There are plenty of houses for sale right now, and the price is not going to get any better if you wait !
  
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  March 2, 2018 11:09am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Prices in Auckland are quite clearly falling, and Inflation is still 1-2%. Buying now is a bad idea.
    
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    March 2, 2018 4:53pm
- GoVege
  
  They get paid more to push out cash calves, Paulus.
  You gotta pay them more to take them contraceptive pills!
  
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  March 2, 2018 4:10pm
Prince

Listening to Willie Jackson talking about latest youth Maori unemployment figures, which are depressingly high.
He is looking for some examples of successful programs so he can go to his Finance minister and ask for more money.
What a joke – they have a shining success example of Charter schools and they are closing them down, with Willie’s supporting vote, to repay their Union bosses.
Grow a pair Willie, and do something to help your people.
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March 2, 2018 8:27am
- DigNap15
  
  One idea could be for all the elders, and tribal leaders to encourage young Maori to get a decent education.
  Stop dumbing themselves down.
  Look at Asians and Indians as an example they really value education.
  Get a trade.
  
  Charter schools would be a good idea.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:34am
  - VicParking
    
    The problem is that “Elders” are well and truely gone. Young Maori are third generation Social welfare clients living “In Town”. There Grand Parents were from different Iwi, so are their Parents. They have no real Marae and if they do associate with one its half way across the country and they never visit it as they know nobody there.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:03am
- KevOB
  
  Willie himself needs schooling–he’s almost inarticulate. So are many of the other Labour so called “Ministers”. Activist beliefs and chants don’t produce sensible speech.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:37am
- freethinker
  
  Jackson is the most Odious Biased Racist intellectual pygmy to represent Maori and he will increase the increasing despising of Maori he claims to represent.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:59am
  - KevOB
    
    Willie Jackson is working diligently, unknowingly, to bring the government down.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:36am
DigNap15

Yes imagine how many empty houses there woudl be if we had no solo mums.
It really is time to scrap the dpb.
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March 2, 2018 8:27am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Double benefits for solo mum’s if they have a Jadelle in their arm.
  
  Incentivise the benefit bums NOT to breed.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:51am
- MCos
  
  At the time of the last census 33,000 Auckland houses were listed as vacant. A third of them because the owners were not living there at the time and the rest because the owners chose to keep them empty.
  I’m aware of at least three just around here that are permanently empty. Probably been earning more money sitting there empty than someone on an average salary.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:54am
- VicParking
  
  Time was it that they lived with Mum and Dad as an extended family but mom does not like them drinking and smoking, and dad visiting so they and the kid(s) are kicked out. They also get more money if they are alone and dad only visits on the weekends
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:07am
Happychappy

Airforce Ardern offered Simon Bridges a flight to Ausralia with their delegation of Labour Ministers on their way to intruct Prime Minister Turnbull how to run his Country and deal with our riff raff that call Australia home, so it would have been quite satisfying to tell her Highness that you would prefer to travel on a commercial flight. Who in their right mind would won’t to travel with the the Stardust, Winston Peters, Barry Soper and a lot of past their use by date Politacians and Journalists.
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March 2, 2018 8:28am
- Lance
  
  But think of all the Chardonnay served on the flight
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:31am
  - Gabby
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Britches sussed out the antimacassar situation and found it wanting lantts.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:39am
    - Lance
      
      English translation anyone?
      
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      March 2, 2018 8:41am
      - sooty
        
        looks like it took the wrong meds today.
        
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        March 2, 2018 8:56am
      - thedavincimode
        
        gabby wabby doesn’t like maowis. liddle bwown boys should be seen but not heard. jacinda winda does the best fush ‘n chups.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:04am
      - Gabby
        
        Antimacassar lantts, ANTIMACASSAR.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:07am
      - Gabby
        
        damingygoat thinks it’s not fair he doesn’t get interns to play with.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:09am
      - thedavincimode
        
        So cute. Siting there hitting the sand-bucket with the little plastic spade.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:13am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Shouting doesn’t make it any clearer Gobby!
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:12am
    - softail 1450
      
      grubby ,mad as a cut snake ,WTF did that line of letters actually mean ?
      
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      March 3, 2018 6:09am
  - KiWombat
    
    Wonder whether Curran is with them. They certainly need to lock her into a witless protection programme to keep her away from Melissa’s clutches !
    
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    March 2, 2018 11:13am
    - sooty
      
      They might leave her there.
      
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      March 2, 2018 2:45pm
Chuck Bird

This jury took nearly 8 hours to reach the guilty verdict. They should have reached this verdict in 8 minutes. One wonders how many morons were on the jury. There is not the slightest doubt this scumbag was guilty let alone a reasonable doubt.
This is one of the disadvantages of juries. Some might say no harm done they got there in the end. However, what if the case was not quite as solid and there were 12 dumb jurors?

I wonder if Little and Workman think this POS can be rehabilitated.

Riverhead quarry trial: Colin Mitchell guilty of kidnap, wounding, assault

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=12004177
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March 2, 2018 8:29am
- Lance
  
  Oh FFS
  I don’t know if you have ever been on a jury but it is heavy shit.
  They are well within their rights, infact it is their duty to be absolutely sure, they are not shallow keyboard warriors like you but instead have to live with the reality of sending this guy to most likely die in prison.
  They came to the right decision and no doubt left no stone un-turned, I applaud these good people of the jury
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:35am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Lance, I have been on a jury and had to suffer one total fool who thought he was very intelligent.
    
    I class keyboard warriors as those who do not use their own names.
    
    Have you followed the case? They had his car on camera. The cellphone towers had him at the parade and out to the quarry. AND his DNA on a glove left at the scene.
    
    You seem to have missed my point. What if he did not have a cell phone and the only had the video and the DNA in his glove? How could it have got there? Was his story credible?
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:51am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      “I have been on a jury and had to suffer one total fool who thought he was very intelligent.”
      
      and what’s worse, you have to deal with that bastard staring back at you in the bathroom. Every.Single.Day.
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:07am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Hey smart ass. Answer the question. How could this POS possibly be not guilty? Tell us what are the odds of rolling an 8 with 2 dice twice in a row. That is how probability works. You multiply likelihood of events. That how Ian Wishart worked out Watson is guilty.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:19am
      - Kimbo
        
        Hey smart ass. Answer the question.
        
        Still acting like an arrogant arsehole demanding answers of others, yet you seldom reciprocate when they do the same to you on threads you first initiated!.
        
        And in this case it is about, …just think about this for a moment…not why a jury failed to convict, but why they took more time than you thought was required to reach what you think is the right decision anyway?!
        
        Fuck off, and stop badgering other Kiwibloggers with trivial bullshit, you stupid arrogant bastard.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:37am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Kimbo, you are a very good argument against juries.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:55am
      - Kimbo
        
        …just as you are an argument, Chuck Bird, against universal suffrage. And at least, unlike some around here, I’m not having buyer’s remorse, public or otherwise, over how I cast my last party vote! 😉
        
        Step up folks, and join with me in the amusing, albeit unchallenging sport of shooting fish in a barrel! 😉
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:58am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Well Chuckie Boy
        
        I don’t have to argue his guilt, he was found guilty in court, by a jury…
        
        Neither do I have an opinion on how long the jury took to come to that conclusion, It is no benefit to anyone to argue they should have been faster or slower, we just need to have confidence care was taken and the right decision made.
        
        As to having to answer your questions, nah… get fucked, if I want to be and throw shit at a wall thats my business, you can uptick, downtick, report, reply or ignore … thats your business.
        
        Lastly, you are a fool Chuckie, you prove it every time you push the enter button. Its probably too late to change your ways being a sad old git, but perhaps not making it so easy for us to mock you would be advisable.
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:45am
    - Paulus
      
      I sat on a Jury once and the defendant was a Maori who to my mind was totally Guilty, but we had two Maori on the Jury who from the first moment said Not guilty and did not waiver.
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:08am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        What happened? Was it a hung jury?
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:11am
    - SGA
      
      Chuck Bird
      
      Lance, I have been on a jury and had to suffer one total fool who thought he was very intelligent.
      
      Yep, some jurors can have strange ideas which is why we have juries.
      Without being at the trial, hearing all the evidence, or knowing what range of charges the jury were choosing between, then I’m not hasty to make a judgment call on the length of time they took to reach a decision. They may have been a level-headed group of people who took their responsibilities seriously and went through everything a careful systematic manner.
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:12am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        SGA, CoA judges are no at trials but they make decisions. I was not at either Bain trial but I have no doubt who the killer is.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:27am
      - SGA
        
        Sorry, no idea how that addresses my comment. This guy was found guilty. You’re complaining about the time they spent discussing all the evidence and how it related to whatever range of charges they had to work with.
        I’d like to think that any jury I faced was careful, thoughtful, and systematic (and didn’t have you on it 🙂 )
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:35am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I’d like to think that any jury I faced was careful, thoughtful, and systematic (and didn’t have you on it ? )
        
        That would depend if you were innocent or guilty.
        
        The case I was on was rape case. The foreman was the moron. After the the judge’s summing up this clown want to talk a lot of crap. I interrupted I said we have spent three days listening to an absolute crock. It is hot and I am thirsty and feel like a beer. I say not guilty and then pointed to the person next to me and went around the room and the foreman was last and caved.
        
        We were in the jury room for less than half an hour – more like 15 to 20 minutes.
        
        BTW – there is a saying if you are innocent choose a judge and if you are guilty choose a jury.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:53am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Chuck Bird
        
        I’d like to think that any jury I faced was careful, thoughtful, and systematic (and didn’t have you on it ? )
        
        That would depend if you were innocent or guilty.
        
        Yeah, fuck the oath you took, and the judge’s instructions you received to take your time to carefully consider the facts. Just plow on in with “gut instinct” and “common sense”. 😉
        
        …I interrupted I said we have spent three days listening to an absolute crock. It is hot and I am thirsty and feel like a beer. I say not guilty and then pointed to the person next to me and went around the room and the foreman was last and caved.
        
        We were in the jury room for less than half an hour – more like 15 to 20 minutes…
        
        Thanks for that “look over my shoulder and see how it’s done” lesson in “quality” jury deliberation. Unfortunately, they already made it into a movie, and yes, you’re in it, the guy who wants to “get outta here asap”…
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tQy5VbJxSQ
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:05am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Lance, I have been on a jury and had to suffer one total fool who thought he was very intelligent.
      
      That is really just far too easy.
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:19am
    - Kimbo
      
      I class keyboard warriors as those who do not use their own names.
      
      …You seem to have missed my point. What if he did not have a cell phone and the only had the video and the DNA in his glove? How could it have got there? Was his story credible?
      
      Which is yet another reason why, if you were ever on a jury, Chuck, I’d be scared shitless of the likelihood of a miscarriage of justice – you inability to distinguish relevant from irrelevant facts (“What if…?”?! The issue is never what wasn’t there are evidence for the jury to consider, but what was, ffs! 😉 )
      
      ,…allied with your dogmatic inability to listen and consider alternatives, while insisting and badgering others via idiotic interrogations that you are right.
      
      Missed your point?! Not hard with your ramblings, grandstanding and “Monday Morning quarterback” over-inflated ego that wants to constantly inject itself like a sad ghoulish Walter Mitty into the NZ justice system at any and every opportunity.
      
      And you call others “keyboard warriors”?! Shit, you rival Clare Curran for the “lack of self-awareness” prize – and at least she can get herself elected to Parliament, rather than appointing herself some guardian of public justice standards. 😉
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:28am
    - Longknives
      
      “AND his DNA on a glove left at the scene…”
      
      If the glove don’t fit you must acquit!!
      
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      March 2, 2018 10:35am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        The DNA showed it was a perfect fit.
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:54am
    - thedavincimode
      
      I class keyboard warriors as those who do not use their own names.
      
      Why don’t you start using a nom de plume and stop embarrassing your family?
      
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      March 2, 2018 1:26pm
    - Random Punter
      
      Chuck Bird is a real name?
      
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      March 2, 2018 3:05pm
  - VicParking
    
    It does not matter how guilty the person is you must go through all the aspects of the prosecution and defence. The case I was on it was so complicated (By the defence) and taxing we were all excused from further Jury Duty.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:12am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Vic, some cases are very complicated and taxing and others are not.
      
      I would like to see that arrogant moron Kimbo explain the odds of someone bought the pair of gloves at the Warehouse the POS claimed to have tried on and they ended up at the quarry.
      
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      March 2, 2018 10:01am
      - Kimbo
        
        Unlikely, but not impossible. Coincidences happen. Hence the jury likely took its time to deliberate and decide, as per the judge’s direction and their oath, if that possibility constituted “reasonable doubt”.
        
        Which, in the end (and again, Chuck, this highlights your inability to sift out irrelevancy, or recognise your own propensity for cavalier dismissal!)
        
        …they didn’t! 😉
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:10am
      - SGA
        
        And it isn’t only dealing with the evidence, but how it relates the charges. A jury may be unanimous that X did kill Y but spend a lot time discussing whether it was murder or manslaughter beyond reasonable doubt.
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:22am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ SGA
        
        Yep. Also gotta consider the chain of evidence, and even, in some cases, its veracity, and/or the weight to give to the expertise of the various witnesses. Was a key matter in the Arthur Allan Thomas pardon, Mark Lundy’s retrial, and Scott Watson’s defence team sure put it front and centre for the jury…to consider. The cutting of the plastic bag with Olivia Hope’s hairs in it certainly raised the question. Personally, I’m still comfortable with the Watson and (two) Lundy verdicts, and have little doubt that cartridge case was almost certainly planted outside the Crewe’s house by someone
        
        …but how long the jury takes to reach the correct decision is “angels on a pinhead” bullshit. Time should not be a factor, so take as much as you want and need.
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:29am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Unlikely, but not impossible. Coincidences happen. Hence the jury likely took its time to deliberate and decide, as per the judge’s direction and their oath, if that possibility constituted “reasonable doubt”.
        
        Let us agree that it was not impossible. I would say the odds of someone else buying the gloves he claimed to have tried on would be l in a million. Let us say the odds of there being a mistake with cell tower of 1 in a 1000. The odds of both these events occurring is 1 in a billion.
        
        Judges will not define reasonable doubt. However, I do not think 1 in a billion is a reasonable doubt.
        
        I am sure the fool on the rape trial I was no who thought he could tell who was lying by the way they spoke instead of looking at evidence thought I was arrogant but the other jurors and defense lawyer did not. We all went to the pub with the falsely accused by a bitter ex.
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:30am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Chuck Bird
        
        Let us agree that it was not impossible.
        
        As Tonto replied to the Lone Ranger when they were surrounded by hostile Indians and the Lone Ranger had said, “well, old friend, this looks like the end for us”
        
        …”what do you mean, ‘us’, Paleface?!”.
        
        I would say the odds of someone else buying the gloves he claimed to have tried on would be l in a million.
        
        I seem to recall the prosecutor mentioning about 67,000,00 to one. But sure, pull a number out of your arse..
        
        Let us say the odds of there being a mistake with cell tower of 1 in a 1000.
        
        Yep, more numbers out of your arse…
        
        The odds of both these events occurring is 1 in a billion.
        
        Yet more numbers out of your…
        
        Judges will not define reasonable doubt.
        
        Er, yes they do, via the instructions they give. The jury decides where the actual line lies based on the facts of the case.
        
        However, I do not think 1 in a billion is a reasonable doubt.
        
        Sure, but then the jury wasn’t asked to consider numbers pulled out of your…
        
        I am sure the fool on the rape trial I was no who thought he could tell who was lying by the way they spoke instead of looking at evidence thought I was arrogant but the other jurors and defense lawyer did not. We all went to the pub with the falsely accused by a bitter ex.
        
        False dichotomy. The jury is expected to apply common sense/judgement when it considers the credibility of all the witnesses, partly based on demeanour and any motives for lying/embellishing/misremembering, and that is part of the “looking at the evidence”! Weren’t you paying attention when the judge summed up?!
        
        Coincidences happen. Seemed mighty big coincidence that Ewen Macdonald was vandalising his brother-in-law’s property behind his back at the same time Scott Guy just happened to be murdered when there seemed no obvious motive or reason for malicious intent by another soul on this earth, let alone in his community. But nonetheless, and possibly with good reason, the jury decided there was reasonable doubt. And then there is weird shit, like this, where playing cards can give a positive test for glycerin:
        
        http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-12664938
        
        Either way, they reached the right verdict in the Riverhead quarry abduction case, so you have no legitimate, meaningful or (key recurring word!) reasonable reason to gripe, or cite as evidence the jury system and/or those selected are inadequate. Other decisions, yeah, sure maybe. The 2nd Bain trial comes to mind…
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:59am
      - fernglas
        
        As far as your maths is concerned, Chuck, the chances of someone else buying the gloves he tried on at the Warehouse (assuming of course that he did) is close to 100%, as one assumes the Warehouse sells all or most of its inventory.
        
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        March 2, 2018 12:22pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        fernglas, the chance of someone buying the gloves he tried on may be close to 100%. However, the chance of someone buying the gloves he tried on and kidnapping the you woman are extremely remote.
        
        We now know the jury were told of his two rape conviction one going back to when he was 15. There was also a DNA match on the 1992 victim.
        
        The law makers here and in the UK were aware of the odd moron who thought that people had to be found guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt not a reasonable doubt. That why in NZ we can convict with 11 jurors and in the UK 10.
        
        What really pisses me off is that his lawyer will be able to even appeal his conviction with taxpayers money.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:32pm
    - fernglas
      
      In my experience juries will often take time coming to a verdict even in the most clear cut cases, usually because they are conscientious and work through the evidence but sometimes because they want it to seem as though they did not rush to judgment on a fellow human being. I also should point out that a proper deliberation is not just for the sake of the defendant but for the victim, who is also entitled to proper care from the court process.
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:20am
      - Kimbo
        
        Nah, fuck that. Chuck Bird wants to get to his beer asap! 😉
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:35am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        fernglas, I am pretty sure you are a lawyer. As such how would you know what juries think? In my case I went for a beer with toyboy who was falsely accused and his lawyer. I believe that is very unusual but in this case the lawyer knew his client had be fitted up.
        
        I have just seen in the news something that explains not only the time the jury took but the time the trial took. He has been also found guilty of a 1992 rape on the same day as the current case.
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12004606
        
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        March 2, 2018 12:30pm
  - flipper
    
    Lance, don’t let Chucky worry you. He has been on the lignocaine again !!! But Chucky only likes quick verdicts in homicide cases when he agrees with jury – which was NOT on lignocaine.
    
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    March 2, 2018 12:21pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      You love those killers even double killers flipper.
      
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      March 2, 2018 8:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Classy. But if you want to hammer it home, I suggest you go “all in”, Chuck. So call flipper a “Nazi”, accuse him of murdering and eating babies, and ask if he’s “stopped beating his wife?”
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:11pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes we need to hold Little and Workman to account for every crime committed by people released from prison.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:36am
- virtualmark
  
  Interesting that the Crown has said they will be applying for preventative detention.
  
  That suggests Colin Mitchell has a long list of priors.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:44am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Yes I believe the jury was told of this. This can happen if the MO is similar. I happen to know an ex cop who was a witness.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:54am
    - MCos
      
      I thought in our system the jury can’t be told of the defendants previous convictions?
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:00am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        That is nearly always the case but there are rare exceptions. Maybe one of the lawyers on here can whether this is true.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:09am
      - fernglas
        
        The jury can be told of previous convictions provided they are relevant to an issue in the case, and the prejudicial effect does not outweigh the probative value. It is becoming much more frequent these days than formerly
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:34am
  - Paulus
    
    Now accepted that he had a very long list of serious previous convictions.
    
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    March 2, 2018 1:34pm
- backster
  
  Chuck ,,,A real scumbag who probably should still have been incarcerated from his previous offence.
  Personally I think the Judge should decide guilt and the Jury decide punishment.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:38am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks, A novel idea.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:05am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  As we now discover, suppression orders having been lifted, this was not a single rape case.
  
  The Jury was considering 2 rape cases.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/101877163/riverhead-quarry-attacker-colin-jack-mitchell-was-also-found-guilty-of-separate-rape-charge
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:27pm
DigNap15

Is Claire Currant a electorate or list MP.
Not only is she thick as, but she look it.

Do you notice that most of the Labour and Green female mp’s look like second class, or third rate women, lesbians or whales?

Most National women dress well and look well presented.
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March 2, 2018 8:30am
- KKKKatee
  
  Yes, noticed she was dressed rather unspectacularly.
  Not a good look for a so-called Minister. These Labour women are so classy – NOT.
  Actually, I’m wondering how many National women MP’s are lesbians?
  On the other hand, Melissa Lee was dressed to the standard one would expect of a Politician.
  And I noticed that the PM is still slinging that bloody over-sized handbag over her shoulder as she got off the plane in Sydney.
  Big enough to fit the kitchen sink in…..
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:39am
  - Gabby
    
    She should get some dungarees like yours kkkakty.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:59am
  - Inandout
    
    How dare you call Clarkey Gaylord an oversized handbag.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:00am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Ha! Ha. ‘Aint that the truth.
      
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      March 2, 2018 10:44am
  - thedavincimode
    
    She needs help KKKKatee. She was wearing something picked up from the Taliban war surplus the other day.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:07am
  - VicParking
    
    She’s going to buy cheap nappies in Aus. Its to bring them back duty free.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:14am
  - MCos
    
    Mrs mcos usually walks around with two handbags.
    Now that may be at odds with the other two million women of handbag carrying age in NZ who conform to the stock standard single unit, but anything we need, she’s got it.
    Food, water, pepper spray . . .
    So you blokes, if you see a woman walking towards you with two handbags – walk on by!
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:31am
  - RF
    
    Don’t forget those ankle strapped shoes. The height of fashion in the Auckland Islands..
    
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    March 2, 2018 1:40pm
  - KevOB
    
    Big enough to fit the kitchen sink in…..
    It provides for mouthparts.
    
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    March 2, 2018 2:13pm
- stigie
  
  “Most National women dress well and look well presented.”
  
  Yes they always have DigNap, a pity about the rabble over the other side but i noticed Ruth Dykeson has tidied herself up somewhat from the eye watering hag she use to be.
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:38am
KKKKatee

I see over on WO, Slater has posted a very sarcastic and nasty rant about Bill English. He is threatening utu against Bill and John Key in a book he is planning to write, all because of some perceived slight – real or otherwise – by Bill to John Slater. The fact that John Slater told Bill some time ago as he was headed to a function in Fay Richwhite’s boardroom, that he was dressed like a hayseed is the reason Bill got stuck into the Slater family.
Is Slater swigging on the Peters Koolaid as he sure has got his y fronts in a twist……
Let it go Cameron……
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March 2, 2018 8:35am
- Gabby
  
  John Slater sounds like a real prince among men kkkakty.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:37am
- Lance
  
  Reading WO will give you brain damage. It’s as twisted as The Standard.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:39am
  - DigNap15
    
    No, they have some good article on there.
    Maps etc.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:50am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Kitten videos!
      
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      March 2, 2018 1:34pm
- KevOB
  
  Ignore WO he’s likely going broke in his conceited arrogant ignorance in his personal cloud of hubris. A failed Don Quixote?
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:41am
  - flipper
    
    Tilting at windmills. I like it Kev.
    
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    March 2, 2018 12:27pm
- Happychappy
  
  It will be like Hagars end up in the $2 bin at the warehouse just like his blog with the begging bowl out.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:22am
- Harkman
  
  “He is threatening utu against Bill and John Key in a book he is planning to write.” He’ll get a ghost writer to write it for him.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:38am
  - KevOB
    
    He is a ghost of a writer. He’s like the spinneret in a candyfloss machine when powered on.
    
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    March 2, 2018 2:16pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  Had a look at WO to see for myself, and wish I hadn’t as I now feel dirty and slightly sick. What a horrible, disgusting hypocrite Cameron has become.
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:39am
  - KevOB
    
    Is Cam actually well?
    I may be doing him a disservice in criticism. I have to wonder about his health.
    
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    March 2, 2018 2:16pm
Gabby

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
I think you’re a bit too much of an uggo to be passing judgment on others bignipis. For fuckskake at least wipe the snot off your face.
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March 2, 2018 8:36am
- Gabby
  
  fucksake Prints, FUCKSAKE.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:49am
  - softail 1450
    
    grubby is as pissed as a pig this early, (again)
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:02am
    - Harkman
      
      Grubby and Septicboy, you crack me on a daily basis.
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:20am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Grubby is a dildo masquerading as prick.
        
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        March 2, 2018 1:49pm
      - Gabby
        
        hackman, you need a crack on a daily basis.
        
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        March 2, 2018 2:02pm
      - Gabby
        
        Donkey wee is a puddle.
        
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        March 2, 2018 2:02pm
    - Gabby
      
      softcock 14yo sniffed the seat too hard again.
      
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      March 2, 2018 2:04pm
      - softail 1450
        
        grubby ,not only are you a nutter but you seem to have pedophilic tendencies.
        
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        March 3, 2018 6:26am
DigNap15

I’d like the WO blog if it was not for Cameron obsession with Bil English, and his extreme love fest for JC.
He should try to be a bit more balanced
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March 2, 2018 8:38am
oldpark

Heard Mr 3% Dictator Peters Ranting on about the threat of the Chinese in the Pacific. Maybe even NZ.
A much bigger threat to NZ is Peters, as he is the self appointed ruler and dictator of NZs “Coalition of Confusion and Corruption”
Why blame the Chinese for what may happen in the Pacific,Peters has beaten them to it,starting with NZ.
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March 2, 2018 8:38am
- Gabby
  
  Comrade Jiang says thanks Comrade oldfart.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:54am
- G152
  
  Something for pitiful Peters.
  Yo ho Yo ho
  Off to work the Peters go
  Down to the dark and drifts below
  To find the light that made it blow
  Yo ho taking a while yo ho yo ho
  Whiskey single and whiskey malt.
  He broke a promise but not his fault
  He wont be served in a drift tonight
  Oh brother or any other.
  There is a committee no commitment
  An office with a sign, a silent mine
  And an audible rain of baubles
  and twenty nine waiting lies,
  In the mine
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:07am
- tf78
  
  I was wondering at 3:00 this morning, what would happen if Winston got locked up for spouting forth at Kim Jong Un on his upcoming visit – would we have to bail him out.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:22am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  So what’s he going to do about it do you think?
  
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  March 2, 2018 2:11pm
freethinker

Listened to Phil Twatford being demolished by Judith Collins on AM show and being asked by Collins and Garner to answer the question which was the afford ability of Kiwi build house for those earning $50,000 a year as Twatford previously claimed would happen. Blaming advice from officials was the excuse so I did a bit of elementary research of less than 2 minutes on the BNZ home loan calculator. A $500,000 Kiwi build home bought with a 3 year 4.99% interest rate on a 30 year term with a $100,000 deposit has repayments of $987 fortnightly which equates to $493.50 a week. Rounding up income to $52,000 a year for simplicity – tax is $8620- net income $43380 =$834.23 a week so mortgage eats up 59% of net income leaving $340.70 to live on.
I am tempted to suggest Twatford has less Brain power than an Amoeba but that would be insulting Amoebas.To be fair to the Minister perhaps he is not aware of the BNZ home loan calculator or isn’t capable of using it, whatever my advice is take a 10 year course on common sense and apply for a job as a sanitary operative being what you are best suited to.
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March 2, 2018 8:53am
- Gabby
  
  So a couple would have what, let’s see, I’ll just calculate, a fair bit more than that right fairlycheapthinker.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:56am
  - fernglas
    
    The figure used by Twyford was $60,000 per household.
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:37am
    - KiWombat
      
      He lives in cuckoo land !
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:28am
- tf78
  
  I think Charter Schools teach and encourage common sense – maybe Twitford should enroll at one of them.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:25am
- DigNap15
  
  “less brain power than an amoeba”
  
  Ha a great line.
  Sounds like its from Blackadder.
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:04am
- KKKKatee
  
  I love it when Judith demolishes Twatford.
  Great entertainment.
  This know-it-all COL Govt didn’t work out the detail before they paraded themselves as saviours to mankind and now all their hyper-inflated promises have run out of gas……
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:48am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  The socialists are under pressure for ‘homes for all’ so will subsidise at all costs to make it happen. Let’s see how it goes when interest rates go up to 7.5% in a few years time
  
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  March 2, 2018 2:08pm
Manolo

Trump spooks the markets:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/us-stocks-powell-fed-trump.html

Stocks fell on Thursday after President Donald Trump said the U.S. will implement tariffs on steel and aluminum imports next week.

The Dow Jones industrial average traded 488 points lower after rising more than 150 points earlier in the day. The 30-stock index fell as much as 586 points.
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March 2, 2018 9:05am
- VicParking
  
  Stocks in the US rise slowly but fall Crash Bang as the trading is mostly electronic. You buy stock at say $1.20 and tell the computer to sell at $1.21. Once a stock falls even a small amount all the sell notices are electronically generated and bang that generates more sell notices. Its not until the Carpet Baggers start to buy in is the fall stopped.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:22am
  - plc
    
    Not sure you know what carpet baggers means. It certainly doesn’t mean what you imply in the context you’ve used it.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:44am
- Scott
  
  It’s going to be a very interesting exercise the next few years of Trump. Don’t forget that it was a key campaign promise that he would protect local manufacturers including the steel industry from what he described as unfair trade.
  
  I will be very interested to see how this exercise works out? I know that in the 1980s Roger Douglas and co basically slashed all tariffs which wiped out whole industries in New Zealand. And it has been the orthodoxy ever since – free trade, get rid of all tariffs and somehow all will be well. But I know that manufacturing has not recovered in this country, we don’t actually make anything. Lots of jobs were lost and some people never recovered from that.
  
  So Trump is actually protecting the American worker and looking after them. I would be very interested if labour or national were prepared to look at these kind of policies? I think they could be worth exploring. We could learn something from the American experience in my opinion.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott , so you anticipate NZ being turned back into a protectionist fortress ? Incapable of seeing the twigs and the leaves the many jobs free trade has created in the US ?
    
    “State Legislators’ Letter to Trump: Protectionism Threatens American Jobs”
    
    https://www.alec.org/article/state-legislators-letter-to-trump-protectionism-threatens-american-jobs/
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:13am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      That’s not what he said dickwit.
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:25am
      - stephieboy
        
        Don the Kiwi,
        
        then what did Scott actually mean and say ?
        
        DUH !
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:44am
  - Milhous
    
    With all due repeat Scott , your opinion means diddly squat.
    
    Can you point me to ANY empirical research that supports protectionism as a mechanism to protect jobs and industry .
    
    Can you name any country that has increased tariffs over the pay few decades to its economic betterment?
    
    Can you explain that pretty much every study published with respect to increasing tariffs has demonstrated clearly an association with rising unemployment, inflationary pressure and failed industry . And that the economic basis for this is simply understood and accepted!
    
    ….how are increased tariffs working out for Venezuela???
    
    As an aside…..how is Trumps protection of the second amendment going??
    
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    March 2, 2018 11:24am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Check the EU.
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:26am
    - Scott
      
      Milhous- I don’t think with respect that anyone is arguing that we go down the same road as Venezuela. But what I do know is that we had some very good industries, my wife worked for a suit manufacturer, that employed 100 local women as machinists. The slashing of tariffs over a very short time meant that the jobs of the machinists were lost to New Zealand and went straight to Fiji.
      
      How was this good for the New Zealand worker? If some moderate tariff protection was left in place one could argue that these New Zealand women and their descendants would still be gainfully employed here in New Zealand.
      
      The example of a nation doing well with tariff protection would be Japan. The Japanese automotive industry was built on very strong tariff protection.
      
      Essentially we have been doing a massive economic experiment replacing New Zealand manufacturing and New Zealand workers with imported goods. We even used to make trains!
      
      Regarding the Second Amendment Donald Trump is absolutely awesome. He is trying to bring the parties together to make a meaningful compromise that will stop these awful awful shootings. And I think he should be applauded for his bipartisan efforts. And I know once you realise that Milhous you like me, will become a member of the New Zealand branch of the Trump appreciation society 🙂
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:45am
      - stephieboy
        
        Scott , he is not talking about Venezuela . Its about the economic benefits or otherwise of tariff protection .
        
        Now who would have thought Scott having second thoughts about Rogernomics !
        
        LOL
        
        Now who would of thought a GOP President supporting gun control . I think the age of the victims may have persuaded him of the political cost he will suffer .
        
        But in reality nothing much will actually change . The NRA and other vested interest will in the end determine that !
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:52am
      - Milhous
        
        “How was that good for the New Zealand worker”
        
        Er….they got better, more sustainable jobs!
        
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        March 2, 2018 2:59pm
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        If their job involves wearing a suit they’re better off without the tariffs as well.
        
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        March 2, 2018 3:30pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      China. Sadly protectionism can be viable if you have cheap Labour and Large internal markets. You can still sell to the world, but they can”t sell to you.
      
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      March 2, 2018 8:37pm
  - cha
    
    So Trump is actually protecting the American worker and looking after them.
    
    Best you enlighten yourself on what happened the last time a POTUS decided tariffs were the way to go about protecting the American worker and looking after them.
    
    In a decision largely driven by his political advisers, President Bush set aside his free-trade principles last year and imposed heavy tariffs on imported steel to help out struggling mills in Pennsylvania and West Virginia, two states crucial for his reelection.
    
    Eighteen months later, key administration officials have concluded that Bush’s order has turned into a debacle. Some economists say the tariffs may have cost more jobs than they saved, by driving up costs for automakers and other steel users. Politically, the strategy failed to produce union endorsements and appears to have hurt Bush with workers in Michigan and Tennessee — also states at the heart of his 2004 strategy.
    
    “They tried to play politics, and it looked like it was working for a while,” said Bruce Bartlett, a conservative economist with ties to the administration. “But now it’s fallen apart.”
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/2003/09/19/steel-tariffs-appear-to-have-backfired-on-bush/f86f1307-4912-40ea-985d-71d8f423719b/?utm_term=.26a8cd379c3f
    
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    March 2, 2018 3:34pm
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/sad-death-australian-dream/#comment-3059765 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/links-2-march-2018/#comment-3059767

… An essential read …

Living well on NZ Super (Govt pension) alone is possible … Rob Stock … Stuff / Fairfax NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/101797298/Living-well-on-NZ-Super-alone-is-possible?cid=app-iPad

… extracts …

… The 2017 Material Wellingbeing of New Zealand Households report by Bryan Perry makes it clear that arriving at retirement with a mortgage-free home is the basis of a dignified retirement.

“We live in Paparañgi, Wellington, in an 18 year-old free hold-house,” Thompson says.

Having a home in a retirement-friendly area is also an important part of prepping for the silver years. …

… Policy failure by successive governments, and the city councils of Wellington and Auckland, also means the prices young people have to pay for homes has risen astronomically.

Most older New Zealanders suffering high material hardship are renters at the mercy of landlords, and do not have home equity to free to buy a place in a retirement village.

Perry notes the threat high house prices pose. … read more via hyperlink above …

Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html

2018 14th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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March 2, 2018 9:27am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  …..sigh.
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:37am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    The sad death of the Australian Dream – MacroBusiness
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/sad-death-australian-dream/
    
    By Leith van Onselen
    
    The Salvation Army has released new disturbing polling showing that more than half of Australia’s adult population believes the great Australian dream of owning a home is over: … read morte via hyperlink above …
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    #Sardine Sydney: 19th century slums to lift living standards – MacroBusiness
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/sardine-sydney-19th-century-slums-to-lift-living-standards/
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    … and 1966 … the lifestyle when Sydney was affordable …
    
    SYDNEY AUSTRALIA 1966 – YOUTUBE VIDEO
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR1CU8NjGW0
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:41am
- softail 1450
  
  OMG hugh please dont forget my invite to your next rave, i will bring the razor blades and arsenic .
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:55am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    New National leader Simon Bridges says there was a housing crisis ‘for some’ | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101842128/new-national-leader-simon-bridges-says-there-was-a-housing-crisis-for-some
    
    … extract …
    
    … Housing Minister Phil Twyford said he would welcome National’s support for Kiwibuild and reforming the rental market, seeing as they were “based on the fact that there is a housing crisis.”
    
    “If the National Party is going to put an end to nine years of denial and acknowledge the fact that they’ve left our Government a giant mess to clean up, that’s great,” Twyford said.
    
    Twyford believed the crisis was for all of New Zealand, not just those without homes.
    
    “It did seem quite grudging. If there are 40,000 people who are homeless surely that is a crisis for the country and something that should concern all of us.”
    
    Bridges also said National had sometimes lost the public battle on the environment. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    New Reserve Bank paper puts estimate of Auckland housing shortage far higher than previous RBNZ estimates; says if construction worker shortfall continues it will be ‘difficult’ to overcome the shortage | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/92379/new-reserve-bank-paper-puts-estimate-auckland-housing-shortage-far-higher-previous
    
    HOUSING AFFORDABILITY DRIVES THE COST OF LIVING … WENDELL COX … NEW GEOGRAPHY
    
    http://www.newgeography.com/content/005894-housing-affordability-drives-cost-living
    
    Housing affordability is what largely drives the standard of living the United States. The 14th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey showed that, in 2016, there was a 0.83 correlation between the housing unaffordability, measured by the Median Multiple (median house price divided by median household income) and the composite cost of living (Note 1) for households entering the housing market in the 107 metropolitan areas with more than 500,000 residents (Note 2). This cost of living is the income required to live a “median standard of living” (Note 3). … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    HOUSING:
    THE DEMISE OF THE LAST NATIONAL – LED GOVERNMENT
    CHECK ‘GONE GONE GOING’ SECTION
    http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
    
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    March 2, 2018 1:17pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      MBIE wrong about KiwiBuild costs – Twyford | Newshub
      
      http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/03/mbie-wrong-about-kiwibuild-costs-twyford.html
      
      Housing Minister Phil Twyford has dismissed figures from his own officials suggesting KiwiBuild homes will be much less affordable than the Government has claimed. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
      
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      March 2, 2018 1:30pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … AUCKLAND HOUSING CONSTRUCTION COMING TO LIFE … WITH THE TORY DARK AGES OVER …
        
        Encouraging start to year with building consents up strongly in Auckland compared to a year ago | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/92422/encouraging-start-year-building-consents-strongly-auckland-compared-year-ago
        
        Building consents were issued for 1916 new homes in January, up 9.3% compared to January last year and up 13% compared to January 2016, according to Statistics NZ. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        WHEN WILL NEW NATIONAL PARTY LEADER SIMON BRIDGES UNDERSTAND HOUSING ? …
        
        New National leader says there is a housing crisis in NZ | Radio New Zealand News
        
        https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/351421/new-national-leader-says-there-is-a-housing-crisis-in-nz
        
        New National Party leader Simon Bridges has admitted that there is a housing crisis in New Zealand “for those it affects”.
        
        Simon Bridges was named the new leader of the National Party yesterday, while Paula Bennett was reinstalled as deputy leader. …
        
        … Asked if he had any regrets over National’s nine years in power, he said he believed the previous government may not have shown it was doing enough on housing and the environment.
        
        Despite that government’s refusal to concede that there was a housing crisis in New Zealand, Mr Bridges admitted today that it was a crisis “for those it affects”. … read more via hyperlink …
        
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        March 2, 2018 4:14pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Housing affordability drives cost-of-living – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/housing-affordability-drives-cost-living/
        
        By Wendell Cox, cross-posted from New Geography:
        
        Housing affordability is what largely drives the standard of living the United States. The 14th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey showed that, in 2016, there was a 0.83 correlation between the housing unaffordability, measured by the Median Multiple (median house price divided by median household income) and the composite cost of living (Note 1) for households entering the housing market in the 107 metropolitan areas with more than 500,000 residents (Note 2). This cost of living is the income required to live a “median standard of living” (Note 3).
        
        Housing is the largest expenditure item in the household budget. Higher house prices have a disproportionate potential to reduce the standard of living by consuming funds that would otherwise be available to purchase other goods and services. Even more concerning, high house prices, and related high rents, increase relative poverty, as many lower income households may have to forego basic goods and services because of higher housing costs, and may even be forced to seek public housing subsidies. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        March 2, 2018 5:02pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        “Housing is the largest expenditure item in the household budget. ”
        Who fucking knew?
        Talk about a Blinding Glimpse of the Obvious.
        What a Mong
        Hey I see that racist bigot Twyford is skiting about 155 new State houses
        Is that it?
        Really, wake up. The guy has no idea.
        LOSER.
        
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        March 2, 2018 5:17pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Essential viewing …
        
        AUSTRALIA: ABC’s The Business does liar loans – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/
        
        … Pavletich comment on thread … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/#comment-3060351
        
        LEARNING FROM THE IRISH 2007 HOUSING CRASH … THE SEVERE COSTS OF MULTIPLE STRETCH …
        
        It’s high multiple lending that ‘does in’ the Banks and their customers … as they learned with the Irish housing bubble collapse in 2007.
        
        When the housing bubble burst there … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts exceeding 70 billion euro or about $NZ 109 billion (note interview with Prof Bill Black and others link below).
        
        Irish housing across its metros on average went from 4.7 times annual household income in 2007 to 2.8 a few years later … refer the schedule of Demographia Surveys at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        Australia is currently 5.9 times … New Zealand 5.8.
        
        What was the capital base of the Irish Banks in 2006 and 2007 ?
        
        If a 4.7 unweighted median multiple across its metros blew the Irish banks out of the water, how come the Australian and New Zealand ones are supposed to survive 5.9 and 5.8 respectively ?
        
        Following the bust, the Central Bank of Ireland found in subsequent research, it was high income multiple lending (more so than high loan to value lending) that did the most damage to the Irish Banks … and it imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times gross annual household incomes.
        
        A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times.
        
        In normal housing markets house prices should not exceed 3.0 times annual household income, requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times (Demographia Survey http://www.demographia.com ).
        
        Prof Bill Black & others discussing the Irish financial system performance may be of interest … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
        
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        March 2, 2018 5:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It rubs the lotion on its skin…
        
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        March 2, 2018 5:58pm
stinkypete

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12004799

Mau mauled by hoskins
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March 2, 2018 9:33am
- fernglas
  
  Why can no-one ever get Hosking’s name right?
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:38am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Why bother?
    
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    March 2, 2018 9:45am
  - stinkypete
    
    as a matter of principal i dont rite silent letters
    
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    March 2, 2018 12:26pm
- niggly
  
  So according to Alison Mau and Fairfax, does that mean that lefties like Darren Hughes can be dobbed in and investigated?
  
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  March 2, 2018 4:29pm
NZpatriot

Rt Hon Bill English is a New Zealand Patriot. He had his turn with the chisel.
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March 2, 2018 9:37am
- MCos
  
  I think we are fortunate in NZ that, despite what some people might think, our MPs are there because they want to move the country forward, not themselves.
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:09am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yeah, sorta right. But it is part of the “Messiah Complex” that makes up the character, temperament and ego of most successful politicians, that they really do believe only they can make the difference. And political office feeds and satisfies that desire. If they don’t have it, they won’t last long.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:22am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well if that is the case MCos why has Winston Peter never accounted for the $152,00.00 that Owen Glenn donated to NZ First. I would call that some think different than wanting to move the Country forward.
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:32am
    - MCos
      
      Are you saying Peters stole money Glenn gave to NZF?
      
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      March 2, 2018 11:30am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Sharpen Up.
        
        Douchebag
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:33am
      - MCos
        
        I’ll take that as a yes.
        
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        March 2, 2018 11:59am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        No, take that as a Sharpen Up, Douchebag.
        
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        March 2, 2018 1:53pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Maybe went to improving NZF’s liquidity? (single malt obviously) 🙂
      
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      March 2, 2018 12:38pm
  - Gabby
    
    One family business at a time.
    
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    March 2, 2018 1:53pm
Harkman

This may have already been discussed on here but anyway I walked past the TV during an ad break last night and Toni Street & Maori News Morrison were on the Kiwibank NZer of the year awards ad and I heard, “Kiwibank Senior NZer of the year Kim Workman.” What the f’k? This guy wants to make us all less safe at night, his ideas are wrong, plain and simple. His ideas are not backed up by facts and he is a corrupt liar. What a joke, I couldn’t believe it .
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March 2, 2018 9:46am
- plc
  
  Kim Workman is a nasty piece of work. He and his disciple (Phil McCarthy – Head of Prisons early 2000s) set up their Faith Based unit on the basis of crooked statistical evidence.
  
  When it was pointed out to them that the information did not support their assertions they went ahead anyway. They then tried to remove all discussion so that it wouldn’t be discoverable.
  
  New Zealander of the Year? Lack of due diligence
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:50am
- Longknives
  
  I thought that ridiculous woman who is now demanding special treatment from Airlines won NZer of the year??
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:50am
  - plc
    
    Senior NZer of the Year
    
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    March 2, 2018 10:52am
Inandout

There was a quip on Fox last night that if they drop Ryan Seacrest from the Academy Awards who else in Hollywood would qualify?

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/02/28/kelly-ripas-quip-about-ryan-seacrests-shoes-taken-by-some-as-subtle-dig-about-sex-harassment-accusation.html

It seems almost all Hollywood celebs have a skeleton in their cupboard.
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March 2, 2018 9:48am
DigNap15

Yes all Workman says is that tougher sentences don’t work.
He never offers an alternative.
How much more crime would we have if all the criminals were let out.

He is corrupt and a liar and evil.
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March 2, 2018 9:49am
- Inandout
  
  He is a fund sucker.
  
  http://www.kiwa.org.nz/
  
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  March 2, 2018 10:49am
- stigie
  
  I still don’t get why the 3 strikes has been abolished. Liarbore say it doesn’t work, well how the fuck would they know when very few have got to 3 strikes.
  Isn’t 3 strikes a deterrent of how it was set up to be, so why the fuck getting rid of something that works..?
  Got me fucked !~
  
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  March 2, 2018 11:13am
  - MCos
    
    ‘Got me fucked’
    
    ????
    
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    March 2, 2018 11:27am
  - DigNap15
    
    The fact that have been so few 3 strikes situations shows that it is working.
    And why get rid of it unless there were 1,000’s in there because of it.
    
    Typical Liebour hypocracy
    
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    March 2, 2018 2:50pm
Longknives

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12004799

I don’t always agree with Hosking but he should be commended for standing up to the Femnazis here.

Ali Mau and Stuff have promised to ‘name and shame’ men alleged to have committed sexual harassment within the workplace.
Keyword here is ‘alleged’.
How many false allegations by disgruntled ex-employees are going to be fired off to Ali Mau and then splashed all over the front of Stuff’s webpage??

The stigma of a false allegation can stay with you for life. They ruin marriages, careers and reputations…
Ali Mau and her sidekick Lizzie Marvelly don’t care about that. They want blood. Male blood.
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March 2, 2018 10:48am
Chuck Bird

It would be nice to know what he was on bail for. I hope National’s new leader asks Little his view on this in relation to bail laws. It looks like bail law should be tightened rather than loosened.

Murderer Michael Paewhenua sentenced for ‘execution-style killing’ of friend in Northland

Paewhenua was on bail when he shot dead Mr Mahanga.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12004442
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March 2, 2018 10:52am
- Gabby
  
  Who granted him bail chuckles?
  Who was his lawyer?
  Did the police oppose bail?
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:49pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes the judges should be named so they get the message!
    
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    March 2, 2018 2:51pm
- DigNap15
  
  And he had other violent offences
  And he owed $10,000 to us in fines.
  Why are we so soft on these people!
  
  Looks like the 300 empty cells are filling up fast, with this guy and Mitchell. Plus the two murders in Tauranga.
  
  Good time to buy some containers, because that’s all they deserve.
  
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  March 2, 2018 2:55pm
waikatogirl

To keep the costs to a minimum I presume these new houses Twatford is building for new homeowners will be just that, properties without all the landscaping, paths, added extras all new homes need, such as letterboxes, etc installed? Moving into a “turnkey” property adds a considerable amount to the cost of a new house. Are those new homeowners aware it will cost them added thousands to have all these add-ons if the developers/government don’t complete and add it to the price?
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March 2, 2018 11:00am
- Inandout
  
  You presume well, but I bet the houses will have a Sky dish installed.
  
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  March 2, 2018 11:16am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  I would bet all the bells and whistles will be added out of your and my pocket. The advice given to Smugford will be an extra $2 billion cost which he will read as $2 million as he’s not very good with numbers is Phil.
  These houses will be subsidised as these lunatics are under pressure to make it work.
  Some of us had to work our bollocks off and sacrifice everything and without any help from anyone to get into our first homes.
  
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  March 2, 2018 2:02pm
Manolo

A trade war is about to start:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/01/canada-european-union-pledge-countermeasures-against-us-steel-aluminum-tariffs.html

President Donald Trump announced that the U.S. would soon impose new tariffs on imports of steel and aluminum.

Both the European Commission and Canadian officials pledge to draft retaliatory measures in the near future.
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March 2, 2018 11:17am
- Inandout
  
  The US is pretty much self sufficient, unless Hillary sells off all the uranium. There are vast areas of desert which are mineral rich.
  
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  March 2, 2018 11:24am
- waripori
  
  The way this was announced and the decision reached seems like an new low for the White House if that is possible.
  https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/01/gary-cohn-white-house-tariffs-432625
  
  Steel stocks are up but almost everything else is down. It seems that the administration is justifying the tarrifs under WTO rules by claiming it is for National security reasons. Almost half the imported steel comes from Canada and you would think would keep flowing in time of war. Not sure if any of the aluminum ( note spelling ) that will be affected comes from Tiwai but last time I looked we were a US ally as well.
  
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  March 2, 2018 11:53am
  - Inandout
    
    Bloody hell, does CNN own politico? Wall to wall anti Trump.
    
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    March 2, 2018 1:01pm
- cha
  
  In the past 48 hrs Trump has suggested removing Second Amendment rights without due process, tariffs that run counter to GOP principles and would likely launch a trade war and the death penalty for ~~pharmaceutical execs~~ drug dealers.
  
  The NYC liberal plant is on a roll.
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Meh. More rubbish from you.
    He’s suggested they enforce the right to seize arms in the face of a criminal threat.
    Are you dumb or just a disengenuous liar?
    Heh, maybe I should embrace the power of “and”
    
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    March 2, 2018 6:53pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Are you dumb or just a disengenuous liar?
      
      Does there have to be a choice?
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:23pm
AgentBallSack

Whats with Jacindas perpetual scowl down one side of her face? She looks like a stroke victim. Maybe she’s trying to pull off Billy Idol
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March 2, 2018 11:42am
- stigie
  
  Nah, she’s trying to emulate Helen Klark !~
  
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  March 2, 2018 11:52am
- Inandout
  
  And I believe her teeth are getting more prominent as her face shrinks.
  
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  March 2, 2018 12:37pm
  - mandk
    
    I think you are right.
    Her teeth looked a lot less prominent when she carried a bit of weight on her face.
    Check out the recently re-run videos of her on TV with Simon Bridges in 2010.
    
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    March 2, 2018 1:08pm
    - RF
      
      Hence the term.. screaming skull.
      
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      March 2, 2018 1:24pm
      - Inandout
        
        Not quite Karen Carpenter yet.
        
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        March 2, 2018 1:53pm
- RF
  
  Watching her in the house when answering questions she reminds me of a cobra about to strike its prey.
  
  Her body sways about with her fangs bared and then when she strikes her face is screwed up.
  
  Flee like the wind…..
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:30pm
- Gabby
  
  She looks like she caught a whiff of an Ancient Ball Bag.
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:42pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Aren’t you scared your partner might get arrested and imprisoned for fucking the mentally incompetent? I would be if I were you.
    
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    March 2, 2018 3:00pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      lmao . Line of the week of I think ABS
      
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      March 2, 2018 5:01pm
Longknives

“Maybe she’s trying to pull off Billy Idol”

Fnarr Fnarr…
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March 2, 2018 12:15pm
Manolo

A well-run company in the retirement business is making money over fist:
https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/fisher-funds-sells-down-summerset-stake-cs-p-213298
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March 2, 2018 12:44pm
RF

Someone’s telling porkies.

This morning the commie chick was commenting about the dinner she and her squeeze had with the Aussie PM last night. A very pleasant affair where they exchanged pleasantries and did NOT discuss business or pressing issues as this was on the agenda for today.

Along comes Turnbull later in the morning commenting that it was a pleasant dinner and that business WAS discussed and would be continued today…

Who do you believe ?

Our commie chick has form for telling lies.
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March 2, 2018 1:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I trust they were not discussing security matters.
  
  Does anyone know if the Prime-Minister’s partner has security clearance?
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:38pm
- Poppa
  
  In fairness to the comrade I have never seen anyone who can tell lies with such impunity, and no change in facial expression.
  
  It will catch her out eventually when some journalist slips up and does some research
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:40pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  The Morrinsville Socialist’s view on what is business may be totally different to Turnbull’s. ie. they may not have talked about fish and chips all evening.
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:44pm
srylands

I notice that Air New Zealand has pulled their Antarctica themed safety video. Yesterday the crew resorted to old fashion manual demonstration. Today they are screening an old video from about a year ago.
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March 2, 2018 1:50pm
Swifty

Colin Mitchell has form.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/101877163/riverhead-quarry-attacker-colin-jack-mitchell-was-also-found-guilty-of-separate-rape-charge
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March 2, 2018 1:51pm
- Poppa
  
  Throw away the key.
  
  That scumbag should never see the outside again
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:54pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Colin Mitchell looked thunderously angry when his unmasked as a rapist and he was found guilty.
    Had to chuckle that his guilty charge coincided with his 60th birthday yesterday. He certainly won’t be out on the prowl to celebrate his milestone birthday. Nasty and dangerous individual.
    
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    March 2, 2018 3:42pm
    - Swifty
      
      Have you seen footage?
      
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      March 2, 2018 3:53pm
Humble Capitalist

Did anyone see Tom Scott’s ‘cartoon’ in the Dom Post today. Portraying Mike Hosking as a loner in the wilderness with his views on the Labour led govt. They pay for crap such as this to be published and wonder why so many despise these newspapers and the MSM in general.
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March 2, 2018 1:53pm
- Inandout
  
  I think Tom has lost it. Sometimes his cartoons are just plain nasty and nowhere near as clever as say Bromhead or Minhinnick.
  
  http://mp.natlib.govt.nz/detail/?id=46188&l=mi
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:57pm
  - stephieboy
    
    OMG , 1951 c Dip back that far ?
    
    Sheesh
    
    Man , keep put to date ,
    
    https://adamsmith.wordpress.com/2017/12/13/trump-toon-84/
    
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    March 2, 2018 2:38pm
- Manolo
  
  Mr Scott has been an unabashed Labour cheerleader for a long time. Nowadays he specialises in Trump cartoons .
  
  You are right: the whole thing is crap.
  
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  March 2, 2018 1:58pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo , as above his cartoons lampooning your idol are very, very clever !
    
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    March 2, 2018 3:21pm
- mandk
  
  I loathe Tom Scott, but he is correct on this occasion.
  
  Mike Hosking is a lone voice in the wilderness.
  
  The rest of the MSM is extremely biased to the left.
  
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  March 2, 2018 2:14pm
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    It might only be Hosking, Williams, Richardson and Smith but there are well over a million right with them as ‘loners in the wilderness’.
    
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    March 2, 2018 2:22pm
    - DigNap15
      
      We need more right leaning journalists.
      But Oh that’s right the left run our “education” system
      
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      March 2, 2018 3:35pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I have a framed cartoon on my wall that Tom did of me about 18 years ago. I think I’ll send it back to the lefty prick.
  
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  March 2, 2018 3:13pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Nah keep it Captain. How many can say that, even if he is tainted?
    Can I ask in what context you found yourself in a Tom Scott cartoon?
    
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    March 2, 2018 3:46pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Interesting Captain. I used to have some artwork gifted to me by a relatively famous West Coast artist, a caricature of his naked wife. I ended up fucking his wife since he was an alcoholic who lived in his shed out the back of his house and couldn’t ‘perform’. The friendship survived but I regifted the art as the sexual relationship didn’t.
    
    For Gabby – TLDR, Cuck Soccer
    
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    March 2, 2018 7:12pm
john1234

Twatford excited about 155 homes in 3 months!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101917599/up-to-155-new-state-homes-for-regions-ready-by-june

Well, we’ll see if they hit that target soon enough, but I bet they don’t as there’s no builders and no subbies to do the work.

But they *promised* 100,000 in 10 years. At the rate they are talking about today that’s going to be more like 6,000.

Why are the media not loudly pointing this out?
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March 2, 2018 2:26pm
- mandk
  
  “Some of those houses – I couldn’t tell you exactly how many – would’ve been in the pipeline,” Twyford said.
  
  Why can’t he tell us? I think he is lying.
  
  It must be easy enough to find out how many were consented before he became Minister.
  
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  March 2, 2018 2:36pm
  - Poppa
    
    I am sure the Nats will be onto that for next week
    
    If not they should be
    
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    March 2, 2018 3:11pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Notice all those houses are being built in refugee drop zones?
  The rest of us will be living under fucking bridges before long but at least our refugees and their extended families will have nice houses.
  
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  March 2, 2018 3:07pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Groundwork done by the Nats. While Labour were screaming about the houses being untenanted and readied for removal or demolition.
  
  Amazing having made such progress in such a short time in Government.
  
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  March 2, 2018 3:18pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The real measure will be the cumulative extra houses above and beyond the average rate during National’s last term. Because it is expected that there will be a reduction in private sector house building if kiwbuild ramps up.
  
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  March 2, 2018 5:14pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Because the media are firmly in camp Smugford
  
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  March 2, 2018 5:21pm
Manolo

The lunacy of political correctness:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/youtube-hiring-for-some-positions-excluded-white-and-asian-males-lawsuit-says-1519948013

YouTube last year stopped hiring white and Asian males for technical positions because they didn’t help the world’s largest video site achieve its goals for improving diversity, according to a civil lawsuit filed by a former employee.
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March 2, 2018 2:33pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If your goals are to improve diversity of outward appearance, then you will have no choice but to exclude the groups who are over-represented (whites and Asian males).
  
  One inconvenient truth: there is more diversity within groups than between them.
  
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  March 2, 2018 6:34pm
stephieboy

Watch the lunacy as the President’s trade and tariff wars unfold ,

“Trump to impose steep tariffs on steel, aluminum; stokes trade war fears”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-trump/trump-to-impose-steep-tariffs-on-steel-aluminum-stokes-trade-war-fears-idUSKCN1GD4ZW

Sheer Idiocy !

Watch Manolo , Scott & coy rush to defend them recommending that we should do the same and re establish our Car , TV manufacture and white ware Industries . etc

LOL!
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March 2, 2018 3:22pm
- DigNap15
  
  I am all for free trade.
  
  But we all know that China is subsidizing it loss making steel foundries it has far too many of them.
  
  And a major country like the USA needs a steel and aluminum industry to keep its number one power status.
  Build tanks and carriers etc.
  
  The alternative is to watch every US steel plant close and then China has the market and can charge what it wants.
  
  Make America Great Again.
  
  Lock Her Up
  
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  March 2, 2018 3:33pm
  - stephieboy
    
    DiNap15 ,
    
    “Build Carriers and tanks “
    
    Always done so !
    
    Steel plants closed ?
    
    Most already have done so !
    
    Let the US consumer and Trumps rust belt constituency pay with far more expensive consumables etc
    
    Why not the same here ?
    
    Lock her up ?
    
    It want happen as the Presidents has no legal case . He knows that !
    
    Why not also reclaim our” Polish Shipyard” of an economy ?
    
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    March 2, 2018 3:41pm
    - Ross12
      
      So I presume you are a supporter of more of the USA workers being on food stamps.
      There is a thing called balance sb.
      
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      March 2, 2018 4:41pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ralph Taylor/Stephieboy never mentions the Tariffs other countries put on the US.
        He’s too dumb to realise this is another shot by Trump about the NAFTA trade imbalance with Canada.
        Wood tariffs was the first.
        Just ignore him. His opinions are worthless.
        Stupid little creep that he is.
        
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        March 2, 2018 6:49pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Let the US consumer and Trumps rust belt constituency pay with far more expensive consumables etc
      
      Too fucking stupid to realize a “tariff on imported steel” is not a tax on local steel. Christ you are fucking retarded. Do you ever think about what you are saying? You stupidboy.
      
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      March 2, 2018 7:01pm
- simpleton1
  
  Poor Canada is whacked with a tarriff rise from 40% to 60%
  
  https://twitter.com/CandiceMalcolm/status/969380656894455809?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F
  
  Perhaps one does have to take more care with “cultural appropriation”
  Will Trudeau retaliate demanding more respect for “person-peas” and what about “guy peas”
  Just what should go in the soup or stew?
  
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  March 2, 2018 5:05pm
AgentBallSack

Mayor “Just In” Lester to cancel free parking in Wellington on the weekends. He has 127 million dollars to spend on art but will make 1.5 million dollars per annum from parking fees. Thats 100 years of free parking or some shit sculptures in the Pasifika vein to make him feel good when he gets his name on the plaque..
Time to shop in the Hutt or Kapiti, that was the only thing that brought me into Wellington to shop. Retailers will take a huge hit but fuck, the’yre only cash cows for the council to slaughter.
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March 2, 2018 3:23pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The end of retail in Wellington.
  
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  March 2, 2018 3:36pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Wasn’t that when Kirkcaldie & Stains was sold? Mind you, rugby in Wellington hasn’t been the same since Athletic Park was replaced. I’m sure Johnboy got up to lots of trouble on the old pre-Millard Stand Western Bank. ?
    
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    March 2, 2018 3:46pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      If the Millard stand is rocking, it’s another gentle Wellington zephyr a-knocking!
      
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      March 2, 2018 6:46pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  That is obscene 127 million on art??? I thought we had a housing crisis??? Why would any local or central govt waste resources on art and racing tracks when we need to put roofs over heads and lift people out of budgetovity???
  
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  March 2, 2018 5:16pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Oh, he has 5 million dollars to have a discussion about housing. 27 million dollars for cycleways too.
    Never ever elect a Labour or Greens mayor unless you love this sort of fuckwittery
    
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    March 2, 2018 6:44pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    How can that be right? Wellington has about 70,000 ratepayers. That’s over $1800 per ratepayer before they start spending on the important things.
    Fuck me gently, what’s going on here?
    
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    March 2, 2018 7:54pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Manolo

Pour yourself a Campari before reading…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101927382/jacinda-ardern-flies-allbirds-across-the-ditch-as-pressie-to-aussie-counterpart
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March 2, 2018 3:57pm
- Manolo
  
  Horror of horrors. The socialist PM should be indicted on crimes against good taste in shoes.
  
  I’ll drown myself in a bottle of Chianti Classico annata 2004. Salute, cara Maggy!
  
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  March 2, 2018 4:48pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Actually, the Allbirds brand is a huge success- sport and casual shoes made out of quality NZ merino wool.
    Shame to trash an innovative and smart NZ product just because the Prime Minister wears it.
    
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    March 2, 2018 6:36pm
    - Longknives
      
      “the Allbirds brand is a huge success”
      
      But our Prime Minister openly detests Capitalism.
      Surely she would disassociate herself from such blatant ‘Rich Prick’ activity?..
      
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      March 2, 2018 7:15pm
cha

~~Hypocricy~~ Partisanship is a hell of a drug.

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Just imagine the reaction from “conservative” leaders to the following headlines had Hillary Clinton been elected president:

President Clinton Sends Congress $4.4 Trillion Spending Plan That Features Soaring Deficits

Friday Will Be The One Year Anniversary of Hillary’s First, Last and Only Formal White House Press Conference

Clinton Attacks FBI Director, Denies Asking Him Who He Voted for President

Clinton’s Fiscal Stimulus Could be Bigger Than Obama’s

Thirty to 40 White House Officials and Administration Political Appointees Are Still Operating Without Full Security Clearances, Including President Clinton’s Son-in-Law

Clinton Lawyer Used Private Company, Pseudonyms to Pay Porn Star

Clinton Blocks Release of Republican Russia Memo

FBI Director Contradicts Hillary Clinton’s Timeline on [Senior Aide’s] Abuse Probe

How Clinton Is Making Money in The White House, And Why Nobody Will Stop Her

Hillary Clinton Goes Golfing During Funerals for Shooting Victims

Former Clinton Aide Pleads Guilty; Agrees to Testify Against Other Clinton Aide

https://www.thedailybeast.com/seriously-imagine-if-obama-had-done-what-trump-has
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March 2, 2018 3:59pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Have you seen the light cha? I mean the one the shines out Obamas arse of course
  
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  March 2, 2018 6:41pm
- mikenmild
  
  Not to mention what the reaction might have been to a President Hillary Clinton suggesting confiscating guns before due process…
  
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  March 2, 2018 7:06pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Civil War! But Trump may get away with it. Something the Democrats never could have imagined. Best. President. Ever!
    Don’t you agree and accede Mike?
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:35pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Nuns – cheap labour for the big boys.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/02/vatican-magazine-tells-catholic-church-to-stop-using-nuns-as-cheap-labour
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March 2, 2018 4:11pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.facebook.com/Boycott.Halal.NZ/posts/1446110685499378

The Gov’t is at it again, but thankfully we have a chance to have our say.
People have until 1st april to submit to ministry primary industry halal exports consultation.
Issues we object to are: 1/ the use of funds to promote a religion at odd’s with our culture (If it was compatible with our culture then it would not require any of this special privilege).
2/ the sheer volume of trade this covers and money generated, millions here in NZ each year is used to promote Islamic separatism.
3/ there is no compulsory labelling, and FIANZ currently advise shops not to advertise their certification.
4/ that this halal tax is only promoted by the radical Islamists, many peaceful musims residing here recognise that there is no such command to charge this tax on foodstuffs in the Koran.
(please see our videos for other points of conflict with halal food processing).
Here is one submission sent to us if anyone wants a template or ideas.
Dear MPI at food.assurance@mpi.govt.nz,
This is a submission regarding the proposed Halal Export Assurance Framework. I do not think the State should be sanctioning the description of dogs and other animals as haram. This description can lower their status and promote cruelty to such animals.
I am strongly opposed to being offered in supermarkets dairy products that may have been processed in a halal premises in the same way as export halal products, but is not labelled as such. As occurs with meat because meat producers can not afford to run 2 separate processes. I no longer eat meat, like many others, because we know the halal stun process is cruel based on Massey studies showing large bulls have a secondary circulation feeding the brain for longer than halal stun lasts.
My concern about unknowingly buying dairy that has been halal processed but not labelled this way is that it infringes my human right to practice my religious beliefs under section 15 of the NZ Bill of Rights Act
Manifestation of religion and belief
Every person has the right to manifest that person’s religion or belief in worship, observance, practice, or teaching, either individually or in community with others, and either in public or in private.
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I am an atheist and could not buy a product that has possibly been prayed over or blessed in Allahs name as then I would be eating something repugnant to my belief system. I would have been prevented from practising my atheist belief that food ought not be religiously processed before going in my body. It is not reasonable to expect me to abstain from common food just in case, I have a right to be informed of aspects of manufacture outside ones traditionally used for most of our history in NZ.
I believe I have a right to know this kind of food tampering has not occurred so my request is that non halal products be defined as clearly as halal ones are. I think the description is that the product has not been kept apart from the things listed as haram and has not been blessed, prayed over or otherwise religiously contaminated. I would like to see a requirement for such dairy products to be labelled as non halal or as a secular product.
Best Regards,
http://www.mpi.govt.nz/…/proposal-to-establish-a-halal-exp…/
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March 2, 2018 4:11pm
- Kimbo
  
  Fair enough Rodney Randall, and good on you for setting out your stall. But I’m not too sure of the practicality of the compulsory labelling for “religion in food production”. For example, I think the original purpose for the vineyards of the Hawkes Bay was communion wine for the Catholic community, so religion is inextricably bound up in the institution forever. And how do you know the farmer or producer concerned hasn’t prayed on a regular basis for his bounty which you consume? Including resting from their labours on the Sabbath or Lord’s Day. Oh, yeah, and then there are those shrines you sometimes encounter at Indian, Chinese, or other Asian eating establishments. And how do you enforce accurate labelling with overseas imports? Sounds bloody expensive, highly bureaucratic, and for the sole purpose of satisfying a noisy yet small minority. But good luck to ya…
  
  Or is the anti-religion thing just window dressing for the fact it is, in reality, exclusively anti-Islamic?
  
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  March 2, 2018 4:37pm
  - cmm
    
    Kimbo, some excellent Devil’s advocate in that. Not enough to draw my sword, but I will still push back.
    
    “And how do you know the farmer or producer concerned hasn’t prayed on a regular basis for his bounty which you consume?”
    
    Irrelevant what religious practices he applies for begging for successful crops. I doubt anyone would care if their wine merchant prayed to Mecca or whether the priest blesses the wine presses as part of a harvest festival.
    
    What is problematic is that the Hallal food has been “spiritually treated” for consumption by a religion (an adversarial religion at that!)
    
    To extend your Catholic analogy, that is a bit like a priest performing transubstantiation (the part of the mass where the bread is changed into the body of Christ). Now I don’t know about you, but I’m not going to buy transubstantiated (??) bread from the supermarket!
    
    ” shrines you sometimes encounter at Indian, Chinese, or other Asian eating establishments”
    
    Fine. No problem. If I go to a Muslim kebab shop I expect the meat to be Halal. However I don’t expect all the meat in the supermarket to be made Halal just in case a Muslim happens to walk in. They don’t do that for Jews.
    
    Mark my words, this is the thin end of the wedge. Next: no more bacon and shellfish etc (you’ll have to get if from some seedy hole in the wall like your methadone supply).
    
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    March 2, 2018 5:37pm
    - Kimbo
      
      But I wasn’t the one who, on the basis of professed atheism, objected to “food that has possibly been prayed over or blessed”. Rodney Randall was – which, of its very nature will involve the pious of other faiths – be it Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, whatever – making prayer and petition in all areas of their life. Including producing food if that is their livelihood.
      
      But I agree there is a tight rope to walk. Yes, sharia, because it is so all-encompassing, with universal claims over all in some way or other must be guarded against. Or at least to the extent where it crosses the line where one person’s nose ends and another begins – just like any other religion.
      
      But I’m also wary, even though I belong to a competing religion, of an anti-Islamic campaign being the thin end of an anti-religious wedge. I’ll defend Rodney Randall’s right to freedom of region, or non-religion. However, I suspect what he is really wanting is freedom from the presence of religion, one in particular. And in doing so he wants to introduce a bureaucratic system that will inevitably entail all of us paying more for our food. Which, ironically, seems to be one of his objections over halal.
      
      In reality, if you don’t want or like halal – and I stress that is an fair enough opinion in a free society- the onus is on you to seek out providers who will supply that niche. If there are enough of you, then it will be in someone’s economic interests to do so.
      
      And while you may want the state to take special action to target the propagation and or practice of one religion, and good luck to you if you want to try, don’t be surprised if there is kick back. Including from non-Muslims who value the fact that secularism/non-sectarianism means we all get treated the same. Including freedom from illegitimate restriction.
      
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      March 2, 2018 6:07pm
      - cmm
        
        I quite agree that there is opportunity for the market to fix this, and trying to use the state to fix problems just – typically – makes things worse.
        
        Enough people vote with their wallets and the Teagels et al will change their tune.
        
        I expect the cheap pork that flows in from Canada etc is not impacted.
        
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        March 2, 2018 6:15pm
      - Swifty
        
        I understand your points Kimbo and they are well made.
        
        But let’s not overlook the fact that halal is a rort. It is a fabrication. It is a tax on everyone for the benefit of a few. It also mandates jobs for Muzzies and no-one else.
        
        I wonder if NZers know that internationally halal certification is now being extended to cover all manner of products including non-food items, water, pet food etc.
        
        I’m not sure what the answer to all is this – but I’m not at all convinced we should all just lie back and think of England.
        
        I have seen overseas instances of where halal certification has been brought under government control and any surplus monies raised are returned to the local community.
        
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        March 2, 2018 6:35pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Swifty
        
        Halal is a rort, or halal certification? Former seems to be fair enough as a compulsory requirement for devout Muslims. And in the modern setting, where home kill is discouraged, it seems a good and necessary pragmatic measure to have certification, or some sort of standard. Whjich, of its very nature would seem to require only Muslims to do it.
        
        But yes, not sure the state should be involved in it, other than ensuring hygiene and animal welfare standards are maintained.
        
        But yeah, like anything, including the pilgrimage ethic of the Haj or visit to the “holy places” of Jerusalem, Rome or Lourdes, it doesn’t take long for a whole lot of people to line up to clip the ticket. Is not restricted to Islam or religion, is a fact of human nature if you allow it.
        
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        March 2, 2018 6:43pm
      - Swifty
        
        Kimbo, sorry, yes, certification (watching a doco, getting dinner on and commenting simultaneously).
        
        The logical end in all of this is that every single product (except pork and alcohol I suppose) and potentially service must be halal certified – giving the certifying bodies the license to tax a whole economy for their sole benefit.
        
        It is a rort and must be resisted.
        
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        March 2, 2018 6:54pm
      - Kimbo
        
        But don’t producers and suppliers have the option to opt out? If they choose to assume that one (halal) size fits all, so be it. Their decision to gamble on how the market and individual consumers react.
        
        And How does the state, or anyone else make certification and the resulting costs to all consumers compulsory?
        
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        March 2, 2018 6:56pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yes, they do have an option to opt out, but that’s very risky for exporters and difficult for consumers in an exporting nation like NZ.
        
        Take our meat industry. My understanding is that all animals raised in NZ (except pigs) are slaughtered according to halal rituals and processed in accordance with halal regulations just in case some of it will be exported to an Islamic country or that any of it will be used in the production of other food products and subsequently exported….
        
        Producers just cant take the chance.
        
        So, as a consumer I do not have a choice currently.
        
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        March 2, 2018 7:08pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Swifty
        
        Three problems with that.
        
        1. Neither the market, nor in most cases is the state obligated to provide you with all your preferred choices. Including, as I mentioned above with Rodney Randall, the choice of being free from the presence of religion in the market place.
        
        2. Sure, the supplier may pass on to you the extra costs incurred in providing halal. But that is their prerogative, and yes, still your choice to purchase – or start your own non-halal provider if it really is that critical.
        
        3. But it Is no more valid, to object or ask the state to stop the extra halal-certification costs than the extra costs McDonalds pass on to all their consumers to fund the costs of toys in their happy meals, or children’s playgrounds in their restaurants. Anyone can target and favour whatever demographic they want.
        
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        March 2, 2018 7:48pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yes, all very reasonable Kimbo.
        
        How’s the health, may I ask?
        
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        March 2, 2018 8:10pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Ok, thanks. Radiation and chemo over (hooray), slowly but surely recovering strength, but appetite not back to normal by any stretch. Also, due to the effects of the radiation on the tumour (it gets worse before it gets better) it difficult to swallow but I’m still getting enough protein and energy. Snapper from the fish and chip shop – the Hollywood Takeaway in Kelston, whom I strongly recommend to all Westies – and McDonalds thick shakes. All with the nutritionist’s blessing to guard against weight loss and dehydration, ?. Also a bit of minor pain in my right side that the oncologist said may be some side effect on the liver or gall bladder, and they may do a scan, but I’m sure it will not be anything serious, and I’m confident I’m in good hands.
        
        So, still kicking esophegeal cancer’s arse! Anyway, that’s my boring health update. ?
        
        Am going to take March off and relax and enjoy the test cricket. All 10 days, and sixty hours of it. Like a pig in muck. ?
        
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        March 2, 2018 8:21pm
      - Swifty
        
        Very best of luck my dear fellow.
        
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        March 2, 2018 8:36pm
      - cha
        
        So, still kicking esophegeal cancer’s arse!
        
        Congrats K. Especially good wishes for the next wee while, too.
        
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        March 2, 2018 8:50pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Also, personally, as a Christian I have no problem eating any food as long as it is prepared hygienically. Ethics such as animal suffering I’ll take into account, but I’m not sure either kosher or halal food count. Indeed, both are wrapped up in a culture of conservation and constraint from what I can understand.
    
    Also, the Apostle Paul in I Corinthians counsels Christians of a “weak conscience” to abstain from food they may find objectionable on religious grounds. In the context of Corinth it was meat in the markets, or even set before you by a host, that was first offered to pagan idols. But for those who take the attitude “the earth is the Lord’s and all its fullness”, then there is no problem, no matter if it came with the prayer, blessing or specialist religious preparation of a pagan, non-Trinitarian infidel or papist! But then I’m not a devout atheist like Rodney Randall, so I guess I’m a bit more adaptable and flexible! ?
    
    Oh, yeah, and I think it is part of the transubstantiation deal that there are none of the elements left around for non-Catholics like you and me to consume, once the bread and wine have been consecrated.
    
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- Kimbo
  
  But irony of ironies, it seems these devout and zealous Muslims agree with you, on the matter of halal certification at any rate, if not for the same reason! ?:
  
  https://boycotthalal.com
  
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  March 2, 2018 5:02pm
nasska

The life of a cow cocky is not always a happy one. Along with being blamed for shitty rivers (that are actually fouled by townies) & vilified by the idiot Greens there’s a new disease in the wings:

…..”M bovis is a disease affecting dairy cows which causes mastitis, lameness, pneumonia and abortions. Once a cow is infected, it is impossible to be cured and has to be put down”…..

If this spreads it’ll be interesting seeing how NZ Inc. pays the bills.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/101794113/van-leeuwen-stress-of-mycoplasma-bovis-outbreak-in-ministry-exchange
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- PhilP
  
  M Bovis was probably brought into NZ by a Green supporter to devastate our Dairy industry. Won’t the Greens just love that?
  
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  March 2, 2018 6:13pm
- Viking2
  
  It will take a NZ scientist to fond a vacine for it. I have hope.
  
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  March 3, 2018 6:19am
stigie

Sweet cheeks has all the money NZ needs Nasska because National made sure there was plenty to go around when they they left office !~
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March 2, 2018 5:48pm
- Nostradamus
  
  An interesting exchange on Facebook:
  
  Grant Robertson: Being at the Winter Olympics is an opportunity to build relationships and learn from others. Very useful conversations with my Ministerial counterparts from the Netherlands (pictured) and Norway on how they are working to support more physical activity and recreation opportunities in schools. Also a chance to meet Rob Koehier Deputy Secretary General of the World Anti Doping Agency, of which NZ is on the Executive Committee.
  
  Peter Davis: How are your winter sports skills?!
  
  Now, I’ve heard of water sports, but is the Professor speaking euphemistically when he says “winter sports”? 🙂
  
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  March 2, 2018 5:54pm
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Robertson sets a great example when it comes to supporting more physical activity. Eating pies will exercise the jaw to a point I suppose
    
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    March 2, 2018 6:12pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I have to respond to this by saying that I was at a National Party morning tea today when guest speaker Judith Collins was replaced at the last minute by Gerry Brownlee.
      His arrival made me feel a lot better about having a couple more sausage rolls.
      
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      March 2, 2018 8:31pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Are we allowed to say Robertson is an old hand at shooting craps?
    
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    March 2, 2018 6:38pm
- nasska
  
  I reckon Grant will find that the goose with the golden eggs is close to being a laid out old boiler stigie.
  
  Finding another industry to replace $13.6 billion in overseas earnings (2016) would be a challenge.
  
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  March 2, 2018 5:55pm
  - PhilP
    
    11.7 billion dollar hole and counting…… Steven Joyce you are a shrewd, intelligent and insightful mp.
    
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    March 2, 2018 6:16pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  National will have to play grinch when they get back in after these drunken sailors have finished spending
  
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  March 2, 2018 6:05pm
Johnboy

Hap..hap..hap..hap..hap..happy teeth.
Cant get no bites from Aussie PM
Hap..hap..hap..hap..hap..happy teeth.
He’ll keep on sending our scumbags home! 🙂

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101937587/australia-pm-has-clear-message-for-new-zealand-on-kiwi-deportees
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- nasska
  
  Chomper’s Fairy Dust ™️ mustn’t have the same magical powers on the other side of the ditch JB. 🙂
  
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  March 2, 2018 6:07pm
  - Johnboy
    
    The Aussie Wimmens Weekly must concentrate on writing far more intelligent articles than our version nasska! 🙂
    
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    March 2, 2018 6:10pm
- Harkman
  
  You know those fake wind up teeth that crawl along the floor or bench? Hmmm?
  
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  March 2, 2018 6:23pm
  - nasska
    
    I reckon you’ve just solved Labour’s problem in finding a gimmick to sell what the party means to the country for the 2020 campaign.
    
    Will take a bit of work on the eye teeth but here’s the working model. 🙂
    
    https://www.amazon.com/Chattering-Chomping-Wind-Walking-Teeth/dp/B00AALEXJS
    
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    March 2, 2018 6:33pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Turnbulls worked out she is just all teeth and no bite.
  Just let her yap and ignore her
  Personally I like this Labour Govt.
  They are so useless and incompetent they won’t actually be able to do anything!
  Perfect!
  
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  March 2, 2018 6:24pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Nah mate, theyre destroying our justice system, our education system, our relatively stable work force, and indebting us to bullshit feelz good schemes ala Turdeau like no other government before. Also it’s not like we can escape to Australia like we used to since their wealth has dried up and their house prices with a CGT are worse than ours. Welcome to 1984
    
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    March 2, 2018 6:56pm
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Couldn’t agree more ABS. The policy getting rammed down our throats is based on 1 in 3 voting for them. That election result was not a call for the radical changes were seeing to education, justice, employment law…..
      
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      March 2, 2018 7:35pm
  - simpleton1
    
    A calm before the storm.
    
    The waves will all be at cross purposes, but some will gather up into an horrendous choppy swell.
    
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    March 2, 2018 7:34pm
cmm

Oh no! Stuff is losing the plot and getting snarky about Our Mother.

To quote their front page:

Departure on cards? 5:33 PM The PM wants to axe airport departure cards – she’s “started that conversation”.
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- Nostradamus
  
  CMM:
  
  It’s interesting that Jacinda didn’t mention arrival cards. We’ll need a lot of arrival cards for the criminal scumbags that Australia will be sending our way! They’ll be more than happy to fill out arrival cards once they’re told that Andrew wants to reduce the prison population, so they’ll be free to bash and rape the population.
  
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  March 2, 2018 6:49pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Wow – at least one person seems to think that the criminal scumbags who Australia will deport to New Zealand won’t bash and rape our population but, rather, will be model citizens! Please provide your residential address to the immigration department so we can arrange for some ~~criminal scumbags~~ friendly neighbours to move in next door!
    
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    March 2, 2018 7:23pm
    - nasska
      
      From first hand experience I’m now in a position to agree that some of our gentle readers possess delicate feelings & are easily triggered Nostra.
      
      Yesterday I confirmed the existence of 43 of the petals. ?
      
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      March 2, 2018 7:31pm
      - Swifty
        
        It was unprecedented.
        
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        March 2, 2018 7:45pm
      - nasska
        
        They’re half way through Lent Swifty. All the fasting & self discipline probably makes them bitchy. 🙂
        
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        March 2, 2018 7:51pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        I confirmed the existence of 43 of the petals.
        
        I think further testing is required. Could you try another experiment tomorrow and then on Sunday? 🙂
        
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        March 2, 2018 7:57pm
      - stigie
        
        You did well last night nasska, you made 43 sit up and take notice ole chap !~
        
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        March 2, 2018 8:19pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I must be a stalk. You didnt pluck my flower Nasska
        
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        March 2, 2018 8:24pm
      - stigie
        
        Crikey, were you one of the petals ABS haha..?
        
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        March 2, 2018 8:28pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      lol stigie I was one of the upticks. Only gross stupidity offends me.
      That and disgusting unproven allegations. Good to see DPF was true to his word regarding RealityCzech. Gone forever for his comments, as he should be.
      
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      March 2, 2018 8:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“Where for instance someone has never stepped foot in New Zealand, it’s something that we’ve been keen to make sure the Australian government is aware of our perspective on that and our strength of feeling around it but ultimately it is in the Australian government’s hands to determine how they manage that element of the policy.”
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/351605/deportation-policy-fair-and-just-turnbull
If the above is an accurate quote from Ms Ardern, I suggest she demand a refund from Waikato Uni for her B.Comms degree.
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- nasska
  
  It tends to the “never use two words when twenty will do” variation of statement making Maggy. 🙂
  
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  March 2, 2018 7:34pm
  - nasska
    
    If she’d said that “they told us to get fucked” it would have been less fudged. 🙂
    
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    March 2, 2018 7:41pm
    - Swifty
      
      And more honest.
      
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      March 2, 2018 7:52pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Press Conference with Rt Hon Jacinda Ardern MP, Prime Minister of New Zealand
  
  JOURNALIST: Prime Minister Turnbull, in your view, I know it’s legal, but is it wrong to deport citizens, New Zealand citizens, from Australia to New Zealand when a number of them have never set foot in our country and their so-called citizenship is about as sound as Barnaby Joyce’s was.
  
  PRIME MINISTER: Well, the answer to your question is yes. There is a right of appeal which a number of the deportees take up. I was just advised earlier today, we were both advised that just a little bit under 40 per cent of those appeals are successful. So we have a process. This is in accordance with Australian law and the process is a fair and just one.
  
  JOURNALIST: Is it moral?
  
  PRIME MINISTER: Yes, I said yes.
  
  JOURNALIST: What about Prime Minister Ardern, how do you feel?
  
  PRIME MINISTER OF NEW ZEALAND: As we’ve spoken about many times before Barry, I absolutely accept that the Australian Government is well within their rights to exercise their deportation policy as they have. We have raised – and have again today –
  
  PRIME MINISTER: You’ve got some fans out there, Prime Minister. You should wave to them. [Laughter] I think that might be a boatload of Kiwis, perhaps. They’re having lots of fun.
  
  PRIME MINISTER OF NEW ZEALAND: Spending good money here in Sydney as well. Look, I’ve raised again, as we have on previous occasions, elements of the deportation policy that have in particular been bought to our attention. Where for instance, someone who has never stepped foot in New Zealand it’s something we have been keen to make sure the Australian Government is aware of our perspective on that and our strength of feeling around it. But ultimately it is in the Australian Government’s hands to determine how they manage that element of policy.
  
  PRIME MINISTER: If I could just add Barry, it doesn’t just apply to New Zealanders by the way. It applies to people who are not Australian citizens, who have committed offences of a serious kind. They are subject to deportation. We entirely understand how keen an issue it is in New Zealand. But it is our sovereign right, as it is yours, to determine whether and in what circumstances non-citizens can remain within our borders, or yours in New Zealand.
  
  JOURNALIST: But is that how you would treat family, Prime Minister? When you say we’re so close and yet these people coming back to New Zealand are committing crimes in our country. They are seen as a risk here they are no less a risk in New Zealand. So is this how you treat family?
  
  PRIME MINISTER: Well Barry, I think you should start conducting some of the appeals. You’re very persuasive, obviously. But look, it is our fundamental right – as Prime Minister Ardern has just acknowledged – and we enforce our laws to assert our sovereignty and ensure that people who are not Australian citizens who commit serious offences, are deported. It does not just apply to New Zealanders, it applies to all non-citizens full stop.
  
  She’s very waffly, I have to say!
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:07pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    She should take it up with Helen Clark who sold New Zealanders rights down the road in Australia for the chance to get rid of some coons.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:13pm
  - Ross12
    
    Peta Credlin is having a panel discussion about this on Sky. They all just laughing their heads off about Ardern’s position. One woman says how can she not want the deportations but want to take the Manus Is refugees? They can see straight through Ardern without even trying.
    
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    March 2, 2018 8:37pm
    - cha
      
      how can she not want the deportations but want to take the Manus Is refugees?
      
      One mob are criminals from Australia and the other mob are refugees. I’d rather live next door to a refugee then a criminal from Australia, thank you.
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:17pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        One mob are criminals from Australia, the other mob are shithole criminals with no respect for western civilization, our morals, or our wives and children. I’ll take the Banditos and fuckwit white crims, thanks.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:31pm
      - cha
        
        I’ll take the Banditos and fuckwit white crims, thanks.
        
        I bet you fucking do too, you little nutsack boi you.
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:35pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        As opposed to cha who takes the dirtiest blackest cock he can get. Hows your mate RC? Been in contact with him lately fuckboy? Maybe when Grantie gets a divorce you can go seconds on Alfie you slimy little fag
        
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        March 2, 2018 9:48pm
      - cha
        
        Oh dude, projecting much, see your pastor!.
        
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        March 2, 2018 10:51pm
    - Swifty
      
      Now now fellas.
      
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      March 2, 2018 9:51pm
Swifty

I saw Stevie Ray Vaughan (and his bro Jimmy) at the Wellington Town Hall in the late 80s (?).

It was an excellent concert, we were right up front. He played a blinder. He was clearly out of it and so was I and the young lady who accompanied me.

For those interested, here is a definitive doco on the bloke:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PECJR78vHV4
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March 2, 2018 7:59pm
AgentBallSack

What am I listening to tonight? The Mojo Radio Gang by Parov Stelar. Some classy electroswing
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March 2, 2018 8:15pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  COCO by the same artist. He is a genius in this electro genre. Everything is sampled from other artists.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Fudge, fudge, spin, spin..
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/351656/commentator-welcomes-conflict-of-interest-debate

If you are a professional, behave like a professional.
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March 2, 2018 8:35pm
- Swifty
  
  Wise after the event.
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:42pm
- Kimbo
  
  You can’t polish a turd of an excuse, but you can roll it in PR press release glitter. ?
  
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  March 2, 2018 8:47pm
nasska

Talking to someone the other day who claims to be a ‘Gender neutral Non-binary Cis female’.

She would just call herself a ‘woman’, but she hates labels.
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- AgentBallSack
  
  How does she feel about old white straight cis male commentators? Because you should send her here for shits and giggles
  
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  March 2, 2018 9:11pm
AgentBallSack

Back on the vape. My lips taste like a fucking candy floss factory exploded on them. That or I blew off a gingerbread man. Better than paying tax though. I guess.
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Manolo

Socialism equals misery and chaos:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/photographers-journey-venezuela-155230968.html
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