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CJames

This is something that many people have suspected all along, but educationalists have denied. The main determinant of IQ and subsequent success is genetics. Teaching and schools have little effect.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2018/03/23/grammar-schools-have-virtually-no-effect-genetics-determine/
Yet another liberal/ leftwing meme bites the dust. It will be interesting to see how long the implications of this will take to permeate through to the teaching establishment – anything faster than a generation would be impossible.
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March 24, 2018 8:00am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Let’s close all schools, then!
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:13am
  - 3-coil
    
    Mutton bird: At least close the the one you went to – just to be safe.
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:17am
  - kowtow
    
    I see muttonhead’s been rostered on from Team Troll.
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:39am
  - CJames
    
    No Muttonhead (Is that nominative determination?) You are not even bothering to read before hitting your keyboard.
    What it does say is that the pushing by government to get most people into an academic tertiary education will not work unless you devalue qualifications. Society should not go away from trying to get near equality of opportunity but it will not get opportunity of outcome no matter how much resources you throw at the tail.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:17am
    - sooty
      
      If they don’t reduce the qualifactions, they are going to have all these people finishing Uni, with no qualifactions. What then. Fliping burgers?
      Oh no, that’s not good. They wont have the feelz for Labour and may vote another way!
      
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      March 24, 2018 11:42am
- Monique Watson
  
  I saw that. CJames. Glad I married a keeper.
  Even if aging does take a toll on the bod, as long as you marry up and bring to the party some genetic advantage in the terms of looks, the sprogs have everything in their favour as long as you’re not a liberal sook.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:16am
  - Muttonbird
    
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    Nice virtue-signalling.
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:21am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Do you even english?
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:23am
      - Muttonbird
        
        Certainly.
        
        That, and KKK’s comment below, are examples of right wing virtue-signalling.
        
        Right wing virtue-signalling being self affirmation of how great they are, questioning why can’t everyone be as great as them, and gloating over those less fortunate than themselves.
        
        Right wing virtue-signalling usually involves boasting of superior genes, having more money, and beating the personal responsibility drum.
        
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        March 24, 2018 9:41am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Muttonbird
        
        …you left out eating dead babies. ?
        
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        March 24, 2018 9:43am
      - Kimbo
        
        Just for Muttonbird:
        
        https://yournz.org/2018/03/18/getting-rid-of-national-are-evil-baby-eating-doers/
        
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        March 24, 2018 9:53am
    - stigie
      
      Muttonhead is gone !~
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:35am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Me too. My mother always said ‘be careful with whom you breed’ and I’ve passed that on to my children. They are all very smart – they do say that kids inherit their intelligence from their mother. Oh and good looking as well. All round good citizens who are producing good citizens. All have a resident husband. Thus, the cycle continues….
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:06am
    - KiWombat
      
      Oi – somebody should report you to the HRC KKK !
      
      Isn’t it bad enough that JAG is bagging us old white guys without you jumping aboard her bike as well ?
      
      No – I do agree with you. My mum passed on the smart genes to her brood, and dad contributed his worth ethic and determination as well – although there is one without the work ethic and determination, not sure what happened there !
      
      My daughter had twin boys a while back, whilst still in hospital I assessed them as a joke, and suggested which would be the academic and which would be the thug. Funnily this is now starting to become true, as the “academic” one does everything first whilst the other sits back and follows in his own good time !
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:26am
      - KKKKatee
        
        Ha! Ha! Please do. I’m no support of anyone in the GangGreen camp. I grew up in a ‘labour’ household. Made my own decisions as a teenager not to support Labour. My parents were horrified btw! But they were very proud of me and what we’ve achieved along the way through hard work and sacrifice. The end result is very comfortable. We’re not flashy people. Could be if we wanted. Our values are giving back to our community and practising random acts of kindness. At the end of the day it’s all about work ethic and determination as you have described your own father. And as parents, we’ve encouraged our offspring to aim for the stars. They’ve listened. Education is the key to getting ahead in life.
        
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        March 24, 2018 12:00pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      If children inherit their intelligence from their mother, then why would a man want to marry a woman of lower intelligence than himself? (Ignoring her physical attributes for a moment…)
      
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      March 24, 2018 10:35am
      - KKKKatee
        
        Because like attracts like. I could see my future husband was intelligent. I liked what I saw and BINGO – we hooked up and have been married for a rather long time. We’ve worked together as a team – always been self-employed. Took risks and made it. Ultimately, I thank my parents for being good role models and instilled in us all the value of a good education. By the way, my parents were wage earners. They were steady plodders who wanted better for their offspring than they had when they were growing up through the depression etc.
        
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        March 24, 2018 11:53am
      - MH
        
        can’t, them rooski wimen are too over bearing in profile posers.
        
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        March 24, 2018 12:09pm
    - VicParking
      
      Did you pass on your stutter to your kids KKKKatee? LOL
      
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      March 24, 2018 12:23pm
      - KKKKatee
        
        Ha! Ha! Actually, I dislike my name. I would rather have been given a more feminine name such as Annabel or Catherine or Elizabeth etc. etc. I’ve not got to the point where I would consider changing it by deed poll. No, I’ll live with it as if I renamed myself, then people wouldn’t know who I am!
        
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        March 24, 2018 12:56pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      Yep. My Mother In Law passed that along to me, bless her, that kids inherit intelligence from their Mother.
      My bunch too are smart as a whiplash in their own areas of strength, and even though the going gets tough if you’ve married for over twenty years, you learn a crap ton from the journey of being married. A Duvet, warm body in the bed and a dog to follow you around and take you out of yourself is a lot to be thankful for.
      
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      March 24, 2018 1:09pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  IQ is helpful but like sporting ability effort is required. Some people with lower IQ but a good work ethic are very successful.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:28am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Quite so, one of the most successful people I know (early 40’s, self-made, net worth 10’s of millions) I think probably has IQ under 100, but works like a bastard 100hour weeks for last 20 years.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:26am
    - dime
      
      Under 100 is quite low. I think you’d be surprised
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:47am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        yep, but it’s half the population, and I think if you conversed with him for a few hours you would agree.
        
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        March 24, 2018 10:22am
  - KKKKatee
    
    That is true.
    
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    March 24, 2018 12:03pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  The nature/nurture debate reheated to justify prejudice in schools and a return to class-driven Britain.
  Let’s not bother with Jane/Peter s/he’ll never amount to anything – just look at the parents.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:43am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Jordan Petersen says there is a 10% pool of society who have a low IQ who will never be employable to the general level required. The US Army has been researching IQ for 100 years so they can quickly place recruits at correct levels, ie officers and down the ranks, and anyone with an IQ less than 83 is ineligible to join the army as is too stupid to train.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:01am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      A century or so ago, when a far higher proportion of society lived in the countryside, jobs could be found for this bottom 10%.
      
      Today, however, in this cognitive world, this is no longer possible.
      
      The problem will get worse. You really don’t want to be pursuing policies that will increase the proportion of low-IQ people in your population, unless that suits your agenda for greater State control.
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:15am
      - sooty
        
        They all got jobs in the Labour party. How else do you explain it.
        
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        March 24, 2018 11:47am
      - lifesgood
        
        There are still plenty of jobs in the countryside but because we have a ridiculously generous welfare system these low-IQs prefer to take drugs and loaf around breeding more low IQs
        
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        March 24, 2018 1:00pm
    - Harkman
      
      Jordan Petersen is going to be on the Greg Gutfeld show tomorrow, should be good.
      
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      March 24, 2018 1:33pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It’s unfair but it’s real, and it is about the kid not the parents, thick parents can have genius kids, though it is less likely (regression to the mean and all that).
    
    Sticking our fingers in our ears and pretending it’s not real helps nothing – just leads to badly designed education systems that screw-over everyone.
    
    And it also offers a lot of opportunity – if NZ’s welfare dependent baby farmers all utilised genius sperm then their kids could be the next generation’s winners rather than the losers they are doomed to be.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:30am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I don’t think I’d like to live in a world of geniuses.
      
      I’ve met some clever people over the years. Some are nice; some aren’t.
      
      I’ve also met some not so clever people. Some are nice; some aren’t.
      
      I much prefer nice people to clever arses.
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:51am
      - KKKKatee
        
        Me neither. They’re hard going.
        If we look hard enough, we can always find good in people. It’s whether we’re prepared to or not is the question.
        Everyone has a story.
        
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        March 24, 2018 12:05pm
- Holly Roggerz
  
  The left have always selectively rejected science, for instance in the USSR they took offence to the notion that some seeds were genetically predisposed to be supperior crops for the purposes of farming and eating.
  
  They did so because to admit such a thing would be to admit the idea that certain people through genetics and whatnot were perhaps predisposed to be of a higher station, to be more succesfull and to justify inequality of outcome in a world of equal opportunity.
  
  And all this runs directly contrary to the ideas of inequality of outcome being the result of a conspiracy by the succesfull peoples, the capitalists to so called ‘oppress the masses’. Infact communism went further, to state that the very idea of nations was no more than a social construct perpetuated by the ruling class to further that oppression.
  
  Today we have more or less the same thing in academia, and in some cases supported by law, where research that reaches certain conclusions about this subject are prohibted either under university rules or by state law.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:56am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  IQ is like height.
  
  Good nutrition is certainly a factor; however, you can’t train a basketball player to grow taller.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:09am
- KevOB
  
  *See this:
  Singapore has the highest IQ (107.1), followed by China (105.8), Hong Kong (105.7), Korea and Taiwan (both 104.6), and Japan (104.2)
  
  Race/Population group by IQ:
  East Asia: 105
  European/White: 99
  Arctic Natives: 91
  Latino Americans: 89
  Southeast Asians: 87
  American Indian: 86
  Pacific Islanders: 85 (Maori in New Zealand have a mean IQ of 90)
  African-Americans/Black British: 85
  Middle Eastern/North African: 84
  South Asians: 82
  Sub-Saharan Africans: 67
  Australian Aborigines: 62
  Pygmies: 53
  
  It is not PC to consider such differences however they show up when matched against achievements.
  68% of people fit within 1 standard deviation of the mean so for NZ euro population that is 85-115. Maori fall into likely lower achievers genetically.
  
  The reason are being argued but from 7 years in the near tropics I have seen the affects of prolonged heat on adaptation. “Going troppo” only had to persist and get into the genes for a slow down to occur.
  
  I see the differences here between our population stratas. We cannot equalise everyone by opportunity but we can recognise that all need work according to their abilities. Massive forestry and land based programs could well suit some.
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  https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/iq-test-results-from-global-study-singapore-highest-then-china-and-korea.259586
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:42am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The key understanding is that these population IQ figures are means.
    It is entirely possible, although less likely, that a randomly selected individual from a South Asian population will have a higher IQ than an individual selected from an East Asian one.
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:10am
    - KevOB
      
      Yes.
      For NZ it shows in the segmentation of Maori achievement against Pakeha. With the Maori mean IQ approaching the lower 1 SD of Pakeha.
      
      What better occupational opportunity is there for our lesser intellectually abled women than to have a family with state support?
      
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      March 24, 2018 1:01pm
  - holysheet
    
    And then there is stoooopidboy. low enough not to even make 53
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:16am
    - VicParking
      
      But he has his goats to advise him
      
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      March 24, 2018 12:27pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Which puts almost the whole populations of some countries in the ‘useless’ category. Africa is doomed, socio/politically unfixable without Eugenics.
    
    But then the Gatacca scenario is scary too, even though Chinese have started work to make it a reality.
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:29am
    - MH
      
      we’ll be back measuring brows and lips next. Ja ?
      
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      March 24, 2018 12:12pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Do you want your grandkids to be slaves to Chinese or other ubermenschen? They are working to bring it about, choosing not to compete could be rather terminal for your genetic heritage.
        
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        March 24, 2018 4:22pm
- dime
  
  Yeah that should be filed under the no shit category.
  
  Surprised a leftie troll here hasnt pointed to some outlier of a genius being born to morons.. To negate the story.
  
  If you’re on kiwiblog, you probably have a decent iq. There is only the occasional Moron on here
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:50am
  - waikatogirl
    
    dime, those with lower IQ are over at the Standard.?
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:15am
    - dime
      
      true that. a lot of morons there. scary.
      
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      March 24, 2018 10:26am
      - VicParking
        
        My mother married Peter Wit which makes me a half wit.
        
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        March 24, 2018 12:29pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Wasn’t your mum Edna Whuck from no.29 VicP? 🙂
        
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        March 24, 2018 4:46pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  ” the pushing by government to get most people into an academic tertiary education”
  
  I’m very glad many high IQ people also choose non-academic trades. Some electricians and builders I’ve met seemed extremely intelligent – great at their trade and running their own business.
  
  So academic and highly skilled trades should not be devalued.
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:59am
- itstricky
  
  The main determinant of IQ and subsequent success is genetics. Teaching and schools have little effect.
  
  I don’t think it says that at all. That’s a mass generalisation of a specific study.
  
  The study is a differentiation of results of one level of teaching (not IQ), for exam results (not IQ, not life, not career, nor university performance) based on two types of schools that the students attend. That is all it is saying. Nothing about the effect of not attending school, or not being taught, or the effect of genetics by itself.
  
  Emily Smith-Woolley, the lead author of the paper, said: “Our study suggests that for educational achievement there appears to be little added benefit from attending selective schools. While schools are crucial for academic achievement, the type of school appears less so.”
  
  Now, how many people in favour of charter schools upticked you?
  
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  March 24, 2018 11:31am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  “Teaching and schools have little effect” isn’t quite what the research says, as I understand the linked report, and is somewhat inconsistent with the wondrous effects claimed on this blog for individual charter schools.
  
  The research compares student GCSE outcomes in just two different types of school – grammar and non-selective – for student intakes controlled by socio-economic status, academic ability, polygenic scores, but doesn’t look at charter schools (as understood in NZ) which differ significantly, I guess, from English grammar schools. Nor does the study look at the effects of teaching competence, one area where teacher selection, training and leadership have been repeatedly shown to make a difference and, unlike students’ native abilities and SES, something over which schools have some control.
  
  Though I think the study has limitations, it seems quite credible and informs us to some extent on the limits of what schools can achieve. Unfortunately you are right – it will take at least a generation before the dogmatic liberal establishment acknowledges that there is no magic fix to inequality of motivation, talent, SES and parenting.
  
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  March 24, 2018 12:23pm
- UpandComer
  
  Sure. Now take the next step. Given the population distributions within the IQ Bell curve, how is it possible that the chosen people are so egregiously overrepresented in the Ivy league, media, banking, finance, law, medicine, and academia? Even with a higher median IQ allegedly, how is it possible the vast pools of higher IQ individuals within other populations are seemingly locked out of these institutions? It’s all very strange. How is it possible these people also neatly bypass all the laws designed to enforce diversity quotas?
  
  Must be just those ancient values of thrift family and industry huh. Because other groups don’t possess any of those.
  
  Richard Haier is the only guy able to study this in earnest because he was able to do it via downs syndrome grants. Intelligence simply doesn’t exist in the pedagogical vernacular.
  
  What he says is that we aren’t subject to genetic determinism, but genetic probabilities due to epi genetics. He points out that ECE is the new name for a program designed in the 70s at Hopkins to lift IQs.
  
  Haier wants German style streaming into Schuler, Haupt Schuler and technical colleges.
  
  It all makes the Kalergi conspiracy look pretty prescient doesn’t it.
  
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  March 24, 2018 2:52pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  On the subject of genetics and IQ, have a look at this video of a mum helping a toddler smoke.
  
  I’m guessing she’s:
  – a Democrat voter
  – IQ less than 85
  – someone who should have been sterilised preventing this child abuse and passing on her deeply defective genes
  
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  March 24, 2018 5:41pm
KiWombat

According to the new UN report, the global warming outlook is much worse than originally predicted – which is pretty bad when they originally predicted it would destroy the planet !
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March 24, 2018 8:00am
- KevOB
  
  If it’s bad enough to destroy this planet worsening should do in the moon and mars too. Heat’s gotto go somewhere.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:48am
- MrLovebucket
  
  I quite enjoyed this last summer so no complaints here.
  
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  March 24, 2018 1:58pm
Monique Watson

Coulter’s law in play:
Some French news organizations described the gunman as Moroccan, but government officials did not confirm that.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/23/world/europe/france-trebes-attack.html

Four dead in Southwestern France.
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March 24, 2018 8:03am
- Rodney Randall
  
  And our very own Newstalk Zb in the small hours said it was thought that attack was not linked to terrorism.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:05am
- G152
  
  You can always tell when the perp is an African or /and muslim.
  They never refer to the race just the act
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:19am
- kowtow
  
  At least they called him Moroccan . This attacker in Vienna was described Austrian , when he’s Egyptian.And it was an act of Muslim terrorism.
  
  https://www.thelocal.at/20180312/knifeman-killed-at-iranian-ambassadors-austria-residence
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:24am
  - DigNap15
    
    And two recent drug importers were “Canadians” with Vietnamese names.
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:43am
- simpleton1
  
  “allahu akbar” will be said to have a nefarious agenda.
  Did that murdering terrorist flout the greatness of God?
  Did he go against the main demands in the koran that Mohammad so ‘kindly messaged’ for all of mankind?
  Some claim it is a message of great joy and celebration of life.
  
  Do some commentators know the difference of the Mecca verses that are over powered by Median verses, through the skillful abrogation verses, that Mohammad quotes.
  And so Mohammad’s life as guided by allah, shows his deeds and actions to be followed by all the faithful.
  Yet muslims them selves will not speak against the inherent nonsensical parts, that their learned imans, that value so highly the koran and hadith, speak of in the mosque, where there is a strongly specified difference between believer, and unbeliever.
  
  When will the so called majority of moderate muslims, state that all Medina verses are to be expunged from the koran?
  That the examples of Mohammad’s actions of terror and violence are also never to be taught in a mosque.
  Sure they may never take action in such revolting deeds, but when will they call out and have it expunged? and Mohammad was wrong.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:25am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes it would be nice to know what exactly those imans preach about every day.
    
    We all know what Christian priests preach about.
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:29am
  - marcw
    
    From the overnight BBC News in UK:
    Nice to hear that when the failed train Islamic bomber was sentenced to 34 years (minimum) jail, one of the judge’s sentencing comments was to the effect that he was a disgrace to Muslims and the Quran. Also that he was now going to have 34 years to study that book without interruption.
    
    A good judge – see they do exist. Can we persuade him or her to emigrate here, please! Could be possible too as the jihad i’s may have a target on them now.
    
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    March 24, 2018 12:14pm
    - simpleton1
      
      I do like the judge’s sentence of at least 34 years, then…
      “judge’s sentencing comments was to the effect that he was a disgrace to Muslims and the Quran. Also that he was now going to have 34 years to study that book without interruption”.
      The judge is clueless regarding the teachings, sayings, advice, actions and deeds of Mohammad.
      Some Medina verses.
      
      “We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers.” (Qur’an 3:151)
      “When your Lord inspired to the angels, ‘I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.’” (Qur’an 8:12)
      “I have been made victorious with terror.” (Bukhari 4.52. 220)
      
      The judge has no idea about the koran’ instructions, where the peaceful Mecca verses are overpowered by abrogating Medina verses.
      
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      March 24, 2018 10:50pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/gunman-takes-hostages-supermarket-trebes-france-n859416

Gunman, 3 others dead in supermarket terror attack in France

“All the information suggests that this is a terrorist act,” Prime Minister Edouard Philippe said of the siege in Trèbes.

“French Interior Minister Gérard Collomb identified the suspect as Redouane Lakdim, a 26-year-old who he said acted alone.”

“Prime Minister Edouard Philippe called the incident “a terrorist act,” and the Paris prosecutors’ office said an anti-terrorism investigation had been opened.”

“More than 240 people have been killed in France in attacks since 2015 by assailants who pledged allegiance to the Islamic State or were inspired by the group. ISIS claimed responsibility for Friday’s attack but offered no details”

“Trèbes is about 60 miles from Artigat, the small town where the Syrian-French cleric Olivier Corel founded an Islamist movement suspected of inspiring previous terror attacks in France.”
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March 24, 2018 8:03am
holysheet

A Canadian, an American and a China man are stranded on a deserted island. The Canadian tells the others that he will be in charge of food. American volunteers to be in charge of water and the Chinese man says he will be in charge of supplies. They split up to do their jobs and decide to meet up later. When the Canadian and the American return, there is no sign of the Chinese man. Days pass by, but they still can’t find their friend. One day as they are walking along a path, the Chinese man jumps from the bushes and yells “SUPPLIES!”
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March 24, 2018 8:04am
- Huevon
  
  I laughed.
  
  Suppose I should turn myself in at Dame Susan’s office for the appropriate reeducation programme.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:22am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Killer – I giggled.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:41am
godruelf

One News last night on Obama’s visit had some silly bint gushing over Obama who said “indigenous people really get indigenous people” WTF or did “The Kenyan” let something slip in the meeting.
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March 24, 2018 8:08am
- fernglas
  
  I saw that. How anyone could describe Obama as indigenous, other than as a completely inaccurate euphemism for black, is beyond me.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:19am
  - KevOB
    
    Kenyan father. That may explain why he is a bit “slow”.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:50am
- G152
  
  Obama indigenous?
  Really?
  Which of his race lineages is the indigenous one ?
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:22am
  - fernglas
    
    I suppose, if you think about it, we are all racially indigenous, descended as we all are from someone who was the original inhabitant of somewhere. So we should all get each other.
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:40am
  - RalphT
    
    Perhaps they meant disingenuous?
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:15am
- holysheet
  
  I think you have the previous president. Bill was well known for “letting it slip”
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:38am
  - sooty
    
    All over that purty blue dress.
    
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    March 24, 2018 11:53am
  - MH
    
    the smok’n son of a guano.
    
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    March 24, 2018 12:17pm
- kowtow
  
  Maoris are no more indigenous to New Zealand than the Europeans who came , also by boat, just a few centuries later.
  
  “Indigenous” is now a term of “hate speech” used to keep whitey in his new found place , acquiescent but funding this racist nonsense.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:02am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Indigenous” is often used by people who view the world through the lens of “oppressed vs. oppressor” and who have a strong desire to “put things right” because they know what is best for society.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:20am
    - sooty
      
      Earn heaps while doing it, aswell.
      
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      March 24, 2018 11:56am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Not so much earn as accumulate from the font of guilt
        
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        March 24, 2018 12:36pm
  - Piniwi
    
    True kowtow thus we see the UN deeply involved in indigenous gatherings since they have assumed the power to declare who and who is not indigenous. This year a past Kiwi of the year is taking an even larger group of so called local “indigenous” people to the event.
    Not likely there will be any indigenous dollars paying for this farce.
    
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    March 24, 2018 2:08pm
- Harkman
  
  Last night was a disgrace. It was like a visit from a messiah or some nonsense.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:22am
- KiWombat
  
  Reality check time – New Zealand no longer has any indigenous people – they were all eaten by the first invaders !
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:44am
Monique Watson

Did she have small but supple breasts, godruelf?
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March 24, 2018 8:10am
- godruelf
  
  Odds against it Monique. It’s not really a trait of the Mature New Zealander. Male or Female.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:37am
DigNap15

I see Jacinda has a plan to get us off fossil fuels.

What is the plan. Or are they just working on it?
Or is it just more tax?

NZ is not in a position to go off fossil fuel. We need to wait till bigger industrial countries sort out how to do it. EG electric cars are far too dear and people will not buy them until they are cheaper and have longer range.

In the meantime, encourage other countries to cut their huge populations!!

Eg China, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Brazil, Nigeria, Egypt. Wait till all those people have cars as well! Then the world will really be fucked!
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March 24, 2018 8:17am
- KiWombat
  
  99% of adults in this country are honest, hardworking people. It’s the other lousy 1% that get all the publicity, but then we did elect them !
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:22am
  - DigNap15
    
    No, maybe 40% of adults are hard working (and pay tax)
    Maybe 20% are solo parents
    Maybe 20% are sick or disabled
    Maybe 10% are drug dealers and criminals
    Maybe 9% are looking for a jobs on a couch
    1% are the lousy ones that “run” the country
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:41am
    - KiWombat
      
      Yeah I suppose I could have left out the word “honest”!
      
      Even those on the couch probably achieve as much as most of the 1% !
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:03am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      DigNap15,
      
      Where would the bottom 10% of the population having an IQ of less than 83 fit into your categories?
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:24am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      About 44% hard workers that want to create a better life for themselves and their fellow human beings
      Roughly 35% bludgers, dreamers, think the world owes them something
      About 7% senile idiots that think 1950’s NZ will come back next week if they follow the messiah
      Around 5% are loonies or leafy suburb latte sippers that want to look like they are the best human beings in the neighbourhood when theyre really just hypocrits
      A touch around 2% who believe they are intellectuals and that their ideas are several hundred IQ points above anyone elses
      1% are trying hard to be taken seriously
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:48am
  - waikatogirl
    
    “…but then we did elect them !”
    
    You may have, I definitely didn’t vote for the PMSelect! ?
    How long will we be stuck with her and her motley crew?
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:43am
    - KiWombat
      
      Somebody voted for MMP WG – it sure wasn’t me !
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:01am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Nor me KW. Twice I’ve voted against it. A fat lot of good against all those who voted like ill-informed sheep.
        
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        March 24, 2018 9:07am
      - sooty
        
        Do you think that we get a chance to vote out MMP, after the COF have had, their turn?
        
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        March 24, 2018 12:06pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  The Alinsky method in Labour’s madness
  DigiNap5
  It’s all part of the great plan to introduce socialism. A key part of increasing “poverdy” is creating energy poverdy by making the ability to heat and cook so expensive it increases the perception of being hard done by.
  
  1) Healthcare — Control healthcare and you control the people
  2) Poverty — Increase the Poverty level as high as possible, poor people are easier to control and will not fight back if you are providing everything for them to live.
  3) Debt — Increase the debt to an unsustainable level. That way you are able to increase taxes, and this will produce more poverty.
  4) Gun Control — Remove the ability to defend themselves from the Government. That way you are able to create a police state.
  5) Welfare — Take control of every aspect of their lives (Food, Housing, and Income).
  6) Education — Take control of what people read and listen to — take control of what children learn in school.
  7) Religion — Remove the belief in the God from the Government and schools.
  8) Class Warfare — Divide the people into the wealthy and the poor. This will cause more discontent and it will be easier to take (Tax) the wealthy with the support of the poor.
  
  Whenever Labour do something that seems bizarre and counter-intuitive go back to that 8 point Alinsky thinking list and you can see why they do it.
  
  For instance, a sane person would ask “why on Earth would anyone want to do what Mallard is doing and waste time farting around with the opening prayer at Parliament?” – then you look at Rule 7) and it all comes clear.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:46am
  - Harkman
    
    I never knew he was so explicit. The one thing I have observed though is debt crushes every type of government: capitalistic, Marxist, moderate, militaristic and primitive.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:26am
  - Dave Mann
    
    That’s staggering, DP. I had never heard about Alinsky until I read your comment… but this is almost exactly what seems to be happening now. The only important thing missing from this list is the attack on free expression of ideas.
    
    Even more disturbing is that some of these (nos 5 and 6 most notably) were already well under way under previous governments of both persuasions.
    
    I think this is a further indication that Jordan Peterson is right in his assessment that Marxism has crept unseen into the base fabric of our society.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:56am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Jordan was asked about opinion being shut down if deemed on the wrong side of the lefty ideology. He said we need to continue to speak up. Choose your words carefully and speak the truth. Even if you are shouted down you don’t know who in the crowd your words will resonate with, and where that support of what you have said will lead.
      
      He speaks from experience.
      
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      March 24, 2018 10:23am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yes, and I note that Peterson doesn’t get drawn into side issues – he sticks to his point – and also he doesn’t engage in ad hominem attacks, insults and personality assassination.
        
        Gotta admire the guy.
        
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        March 24, 2018 10:44am
  - dave_c_
    
    Great post ‘DifferentPerspective’. Alas it actually reflects the reality we are now living in.
    
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    March 24, 2018 3:11pm
- KKKKatee
  
  She doesn’t know. Just talking out of both sides of her mouth! Just appeasing Greenpeace, nothing more, nothing less.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:09am
  - Piniwi
    
    Yes KKKKatee it was a rushed publicity stunt to distract the population from her failing performance. However she is again the recipient of some rather direct unintended consequences ( Fool Factor) watching the ground swell of the Media party finding it harder to make her look good. Understand many faithful are contributing to an alternative to the ankle boots. Longer jack boots seem to be the likely replacement to help with pregnancy induced leg swell. Common in older first time child bearers.
    
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    March 24, 2018 2:20pm
kowtow

In these days of perpetual race/gender/identity politics outrage I am amazed that a council in the UK would allow such a mural in the first place……..
……..oh wait , it was Tower Hamlets and the targets were rich white males and Jews while the oppressed were “minorities”.

It’s not the discriminating that matters , it’s who is the perceived ‘victim’; white straight males , Christians , Jews , and the rich are always “fair game”.

‘Jeremy Corbyn questioned a London council’s decision to destroy an antisemitic mural which depicted a group of Jewish bankers counting money on the backs of ethnic minorities, it has emerged”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/23/labour-mps-demand-answers-jeremy-corbyn-support-antisemitic/
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March 24, 2018 8:18am
- Muttonbird
  
  Just make their noses a bit smaller. Problem solved!
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:28am
- Piniwi
  
  But kowtow closer to home it took a while before somebody took offence at the headwear on the Wild Food Festival in Hokatika. Naturally it came from a far now as the locals are pretty much united behind the event and it’s promotion.
  
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  March 24, 2018 2:24pm
lifesgood

JK and Obama had 2 whole days together so you can guarantee John Key put Obama right about Cindy before he met with her. You can just imagine it. Obama would have met her under no illusions. It would have been a “have to” not a “want to” and meeting her would have just confirmed everything he’d heard. Cindy got just an hour, enough time for her to beam at the camera and share niceties, that’s all.
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March 24, 2018 8:22am
- KiWombat
  
  Somehow I really doubt that she could have had anything constructive to add to a conversation with Obama. We heard that she asked him about how he was able to manage raising children and the Presidency at the same time, so it was obviously the hormones talking at that point.
  
  I believe that was the most substantive part of the “conversation” so between that and a couple of games of golf he must have left NZ somewhat bewildered about how we ever manage to do anything !
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:27am
  - Inandout
    
    Does Cindy not understand Clarkey will be ‘father’ to the child of the nation? Barry had Shell to look after his sprogs.
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:54am
    - sooty
      
      Secret Cind got one hour? While John Key got two days! Not a player on the world stage is she.
      
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      March 24, 2018 12:12pm
      - RF
        
        Obamas staff would have researched the commie chick prior to the visit and known all about her scatter brained ideals.
        
        Just a joke…
        
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        March 24, 2018 4:18pm
- DigNap15
  
  She probably showed Obama her latest op shop purchase.
  Michelle always looked classy.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:31am
  - KiWombat
    
    Can’t imagine Michelle will be lining up at the Pt Chev op shop in pursuit of Cindy’s fashion statement.
    
    Get her a pair of gumboots CLicker – they at lease serve a purpose from time to time, and are so obviously not an attempt to set fashion trends !
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:08am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      She had a pair of less-than-useful gumboots on in a publicity shoot last year.
      http://d3lp4xedbqa8a5.cloudfront.net/s3/digital-cougar-assets/nzww/2015/07/24/post-97942/P_Jacinda4.jpg
      
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      March 24, 2018 10:03am
      - stephieboy
        
        MW. possibly trying to come to terms with your older age ?
        
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        March 24, 2018 10:08am
      - waikatogirl
        
        She needs a smear of cow poo to make that look legitimate. No cockie believes that stylised photo is a real shot of someone off the land. ?
        
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        March 24, 2018 10:27am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        MW. possibly trying to come to terms with your older age ?
        
        Stephieboy, I practically live in Gumboots…The last thing you want to be doing is lacing up a knee-high boot when you’ve got chores to be getting on with.
        
        and as for my older age…
        I can see you are not a child of the ’60s.
        https://theoxfordculturereview.com/2014/08/21/review-in-praise-of-older-women/
        
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        March 24, 2018 11:26am
  - KKKKatee
    
    And she wore those god damned awful ankle boots again! What the hell is her fetish with those ghastly looking things?
    So far she appears to own 4 pairs of footwear –
    Ankle boots, black ankle strap shoes, black scrappy sandals and white sneakers.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:12am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      And her slippers
      
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      March 24, 2018 10:12am
    - Piniwi
      
      @KKKKatee look at the size of her legs in relation to her height and stature and we would not be surprised of the said boots going on first as her legs adjust to the vertical after sleeping. Swollen ankles need support and ant other form would be too conspicuous.
      
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      March 24, 2018 2:31pm
- kowtow
  
  Put him right ?
  
  Obama is a warmist, left wing ,big state Democrat ,basically politically aligned to Jax and you speculate Key put the Kenyan right on her.
  
  If Obummer and Key are mates it’s no wonder so many call National under Key “Labour Lite”.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:33am
  - Manolo
    
    People like Mr Key are easy manipulated by left-wingers like the dreadful Obama. No wonder Labour lite’s current leader is the feeble Mr Bridges.
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:42am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    But so is John Key! He is just the same:
    – warmist check
    – big state check
    – left wing check
    – Democrat – check
    
    This is why Key’s 9 Labour Lite years were such a tragic waste
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:51am
    - stephieboy
      
      DP, and the KB and NZ alt right still lack electoral support .
      
      Why would that be ?
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:31am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Who woke up the galah?
        Sqwark alt-right, sqwark alt-right
        
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        March 24, 2018 10:14am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Ah Shaun you beat me to the sqwawk 🙂
        
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        March 24, 2018 10:20am
  - KevOB
    
    Key and Obama are neighbours in Hawaii. They’re different but its perfectly reasonable to be friends.
    
    The more our top politicians are friendly to each other world wide the better for all.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:54am
    - Piniwi
      
      Also KevOB golf is known as the great equaliser since players are kept equal with a handicap system generated from performance. It has been a challenge to the trolls this week with a leftie golfing with JK who made the most of it by winning again.
      
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      March 24, 2018 2:39pm
- softail 1450
  
  fricking obama is more like jacinda x 10 then he is like,john key FFS.
  
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  March 24, 2018 6:03pm
Manolo

Congress defeats Trump:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/23/trump-mulls-veto-1-3-trillion-spending-bill-over-lack-border-wall-daca.html
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March 24, 2018 8:22am
- Inandout
  
  The budget was 3500 pages in all, so how the hell can anyone digest that amount in a few days? Also Trump could not do what he wanted because he didn’t have the Republican numbers. Defence will be happy and so will the host of supply companies. In the long run public servants still call the tune.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:02am
  - Kimbo
    
    In the long run public servants still call the tune.
    
    So…the swamp not being drained anytime soon?
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:07am
  - virtualmark
    
    Trump could not do what he wanted because he didn’t have the Republican numbers
    
    Trump is in that honeymoon period where he’s a Republican President, with a Republican Senate and a Republican House. If this is the balls-up he makes of that situation then just wait till after November’s mid-term elections …
    
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    March 24, 2018 1:24pm
DigNap15

Our local Tauranga City council should all resign and all of their building inspectors.
They approved and let the Bella Vista Homes builder keep building while not following their rules!

And because of that the families will be out of pocket and the rate payers will be out of pocket.
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March 24, 2018 8:25am
- Muttonbird
  
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  Buyer beware, Bignappy. Especially in the climate of self-regulation fostered under the last government.
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:30am
  - DigNap15
    
    Self Regulation! ?
    Then why are there such huge council fees for new houses?
    The inspectors need to be named and shamed and sacked.
    
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    March 24, 2018 8:37am
    - Holly Roggerz
      
      Huge fees and long waits for *permission* to do anything on your *private property*. Then they make you pay for all the private infrastructure, roads, water lines etc..etc.. And they don’t allow you to retain ownership.
      
      Don’t get me wrong I am all for city planning, but it has to be done right, additional roading capacity built out ahead of demand like in Houston TX and low fees.
      
      If anything Property Developers are as much working for the council as they are themselves and their clients, after all its property developers that create the taxable property basis which funds these parrasites.
      
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      March 24, 2018 9:38am
- Awww C-mon
  
  It’s a clusterfuck DigNap.
  
  Cowboy builders who have no professional or moral compass are the issue, just like any other half-arsed crim they will break whatever rules they need too, to make a buck.
  
  While TCC should have done much better, what we don’t need is a knee jerk change of the rules that will punish the majority of builders and their clients.
  
  Sack the incompetent, charge the criminal and move on! (Hopefully)
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:39am
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    Hush your mouth, too. They also are part of the “99% of adults in this country are honest, hardworking people.”
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:38am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Nothing knee-jerk about expecting land to be properly retained and drained before building starts.
    How is it that a geotechnical report is only coming to light now?
    Plenty of ‘professionals’ (ticket clippers) to be named and shamed.
    Drain the swamp!
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:20am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Hush your mouth.
  
  They are part of the “99% of adults in this country are honest, hardworking people.”
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:37am
Monique Watson

Hmm. What’s sparking Corbyn’s wick?
And on top of the mural debate:
Shadow Sec’s gone overnight:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5887484/jeremy-corbyn-owen-smith-labour-party-sacked-northern-ireland-secretary/
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March 24, 2018 8:27am
Scott Chris

President Donald Trump said Friday that he had signed the 2,232-page, $1.3 trillion spending bill that the House and Senate approved this week, funding the government through September and preventing an imminent shutdown…..
…..The bill provides $1.6 billion for border security measures including secondary fencing, levee fencing, pedestrian fencing and replacement fencing.

Is the wall being built? No. Has Hillary been locked up? No. Has the swamp been drained? No. And with ultra-hawkish Bolton as a new National Security Adviser it looks like America is destined to ramp up military intervention.

But the cool aid drinkers still like this guy. Go figure.
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March 24, 2018 8:45am
- VicParking
  
  Are the houses being built, Has the child basher been locked up, Have the trees been planted. No
  And the new Defence Minister is using the airforce as a private Uber.
  But the premixed can drinkers still like her. Go figure
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:23am
  - virtualmark
    
    It’s possible to dislike both Ardern and Trump …
    
    You should try it.
    
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    March 24, 2018 1:25pm
Monique Watson

I’m glad you got too much time on your hands like me, Holysheet. That was fucking hilarious.
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March 24, 2018 8:55am
Salacious Crumb

Interesting article about Jordan Peterson and why his message to young men resonates so strongly with them.
Perhaps our social services and education system could take a note of the principles he espouses;

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=12019029
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March 24, 2018 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  I first came across him when he smacked down that bint tv interviewer. Excellent.
  
  Responsibility , very common sense , innit.
  
  Surely a huge problem in western society is the single parent phenomenon. So many males with no responsibility to the wimmin they made pregnant and to the offspring they sired, and so many wimmin and children in that position and on it goes , a massive cycle of irresponsibility.
  
  The social and financial cost must be astronomical .
  
  But dare you say the crash in the institution of marriage , and now the gubmint’s redefining of same , of illegitimacy, of single parenthood is a bad thing then you are not being a “progressive” , you are judgemental , a redneck , a misogynist , a deplorable etc
  
  Ain’t progress a wunnerful ting?
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:16am
- stephieboy
  
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  I get the impression from reading the article that Jordan Petersen has the hallmarks of a secular Tele Evangelist and cult leader .
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:27am
  - lifesgood
    
    Only because he doesn’t subscribe to your narrow, pathetic little world, Stephie. Why can’t you grow a pair and start thinking for yourself? The difference between you and Peterson is that he is a highly educated, deep thinker…and you?
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:33am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    So what you are saying SB is ….
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:21am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      I enjoy sucking farts out of dead seagulls?
      
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      March 24, 2018 10:31am
- VicParking
  
  Interesting but still had his ideas twisted a bit to align with the reporters and the Hearlds view of the world. You can tell he has not read the book or watched to many of Jordans videos.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:28am
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  Great man – for his willingness to speak up about it and make himself a target.
  
  There’s an ongoing tension between sociology and psychology. Both probably have all the information and knowledge the species needs to resolve our problems.
  
  Generally, they’ve often been used negatively but sociology is worse. It creates victim groups which trap people for their whole lifetimes by preaching that they are, and can never be more than their ‘group’, no matter what they do. You’re born with a label and you’re stuck with it, whether you live it or not – and you’re never ‘responsible’. Or at least, if you’re in a particular group, you’re never responsible and another group is always responsible.
  
  Psychology is the art of fulfilling your individual potential and/or rising above your circumstances no matter who or where you are, and that you write your story. Others do not dictate it to you. You’re also responsible for it.
  
  A very rational man who speaks the truth. One who genuinely cares about people as individuals and is providing the basis of every truly ‘great’ individual whether they’re famous or just heroes to their own.
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:07am
  - stephieboy
    
    Ann Glen Eden ,
    
    “Psychology is the art of fulfilling your individual potential and/or rising above your circumstances no matter who or where you are, and that you write your story. Others do not dictate it to you. You’re also responsible for it.”
    
    Something we’ve all heard before in various self help books and manuals eg Wynne Dyer
    
    But this is useful to consider ,
    
    The King and the Court Jester: Jordan Peterson and Donald Trump
    by JOSEPH GROSSO
    
    https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/02/09/the-king-and-the-court-jester-jordan-peterson-and-donald-trump/
    
    Something we’ve all heard before in various self help books and manuals eg Wynne Dyer
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:12am
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      Once again, an artist at missing the point, stephieboy. Do you have any knowledge in this area at all? All of sociology and psychology has been ‘heard before’ since the origin of the species.
      
      Every political party, tribe, and identified social group preaches sociological ‘wisdom’ at every point throughout history. It’s heard exhaustively in the contemporary world.
      
      How’s that working for us? Do we have world peace? Do we even have a society in ‘peace’? Is there any sign we’re about to achieve world peace or within a society? No, to all of them.
      
      I don’t consider Peterson is talking about ‘self-help’ in the sense that many are. He’s talking about the truth that any individual is ‘more’ than their social grouping. And they are. Or can or could be. What, exactly, is your problem with it. Someone might escape the label?
      
      Of course, the further truth is that everything has its place and can be used positively, all things in balance. When the emphasis overbalances and/or they’re used for biased political agendas, everything goes wrong, which it is. He’s attempting to redress it. Good on him.
      
      There needs to be some survivors.
      
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      March 24, 2018 10:37am
wiseowl

I am still furious with Genter .
She should resign.
The gender based ministry should be abolished.
How many men employed at the Ministry of Gender Affairs?
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March 24, 2018 9:03am
- KKKKatee
  
  I’m waiting for the the howls of indignation from Devoy regarding Gender’s comments. Talk about racist and ageist. But it’s ok when a Green MP does it. Makes it ok.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:15am
  - holysheet
    
    You left out the “female” part.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:32am
  - Piniwi
    
    Great KKKKatee with the little massage of her name but so fitting. More so since we might expect she got that posting as Minister because of the “agreement” with the thought that she could do no harm there.
    Her bat shit crazy credentials so well known by the majority before the election were not so apparent to the chosen one.
    
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    March 24, 2018 2:53pm
- Inandout
  
  What do you expect from The Losers when the 20yr old camp fiddler looks to be under a cone of silence? His identity will eventually be revealed by other than usual outlets, but this shouldn’t be so.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:30am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  wiseowl – I’m sorry but we just paid for a nice field trip for the evil bint see my comment below
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:23am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
The National Leader Simon Bridges gives us an interesting perspective on the former President ,

National leader Simon Bridges was surprised by former US President Barack Obama’s physique when he saw him speak on Thursday evening.
“I think New Zealand politicians by and large, the men at least, are often short and probably a little bit overweight,” Mr Bridges said after seeing Mr Obama speak at a private event in Auckland.
“But American Presidents like Barack Obama are tall and slender.”

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/03/the-odd-reaso
n-simon-bridges-was-surprised-by-barack-obama.html

Anyone tall and slender in the house and with our alt right keyboard warriors on KB?
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March 24, 2018 9:16am
- Harkman
  
  I have a six pack.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:29am
  - holysheet
    
    I used to have one of those, but it slipped years ago.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:34am
  - RalphT
    
    I had one last night and am now suffering as a result.
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:50am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    “I have a six pack.”
    
    I have the contents. 😉
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:59am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Huh… only a six pack..? I’ve got a keg!
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:08am
    - holysheet
      
      Is this you Dave?
      https://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151111095437-beer-belly-exlarge-169.jpg
      Or this?
      http://giraffopia.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/32688-wearing_beer_belly_accomodating_overalls_summer_nbsp_burp.jpg
      
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      March 24, 2018 10:21am
      - Dave Mann
        
        The first one! What a fine figure of a man….! 😀
        
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        March 24, 2018 10:49am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I have a six pack, it in the keg that I also seem to have . . . .
      
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      March 24, 2018 12:44pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Dunno about tall and slender,
  
  I know of one that’s obsessed, creepy, and a few cans short of a 6 pack, oh and busted ?
  
  Bugger aye Stephie-explaining
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:30am
- VicParking
  
  Morning Stephie any replies yet from the dating site. Try this one http://www.GoatsforLove.sa ??
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:31am
  - stigie
    
    Try Tindergoat !!
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:57am
- Inandout
  
  Just Google and stay mum stephie.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heights_of_presidents_and_presidential_candidates_of_the_United_States
  
  Your hero Obama appears shorter than his successor.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:35am
- Ross12
  
  Hell stephieboy, if that is all Bridges had to say (your link did not work) then we really have a worry with the leaders of both major parties seeming to be more concerned about appearances than anything else.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, isn’t that interesting..
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heights_of_presidents_and_presidential_candidates_of_the_United_States
  Perhaps we need a race of supermen to lead the short-arses of the World
  
  But oh look,
  There have been a few tubbies as US President
  http://www.presidenstory.com/stat_tal.php
  
  William Taft at 158+kg and just under 6 ft, had difficulty getting out of the White House bath, so had a special one – large enough to hold 4 men – installed.
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:22am
  - MH
    
    IQ’s of Presidents ? I q a lot.
    
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    March 24, 2018 12:28pm
kowtow

Anyone see that bollocks faux outrage about dress as a refugee day.

The boys should have all turned up with jelled back hair, designer jeans and fake leather jackets , waving smart phones in the air…….

……..eggzactly like Merkel’s million Muslim march on Munich!
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March 24, 2018 9:23am
- Longknives
  
  ‘Dress as a refugee day’
  
  Do the Students defecate in public and go on a Crime rampage as well?
  
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  March 24, 2018 11:10am
Jack5

Gaynor is good in his weekly Hooerald business column on who runs the banksters in NZ – the Australian owners or the NZ boards.

Also on lax supervision of banks by Reserve Bank.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12018985
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March 24, 2018 9:23am
- Inandout
  
  Isn’t he the ‘doing the same’ man on radio with his annoying ads?
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:37am
- macdee
  
  grist to the mill for Minister Genter, sack them all
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:23am
flipper

To return to the stupidity of Ardern and the redmelon (Give me my flag) on oil and gas, I came upon the following that I posted on KB 2+ years go :

Subject: Peak oil and World oil reserves

PEAK OIL?

We have been looking at some recently published negative prognostications on World oil reserves.

We do not presume to have expert knowledge, but we are amused by the many frequent doomsday predictions, and therefore put together this note as a reminder of predictions past, together with the observation that 20/20 foresight would be wonderful, but most likely just a potentially costly dream.

We emphasise that we are not in any way recommending adoption of the “precautionary principle” approach, as advocated by the DAGW IPCC/red melons, and others.

As one commentator in the UK noted “ ….. It has always seemed to me that the ‘principle’ is a rather sanctimonious contrivance that allows people of your claimed persuasion to continue to engage in the delightful task of self-preening without the need to temper this indulgence with any obligation to think. I make no comment on what might have been the condition of mankind had this foolishness prevailed throughout human history”.

Following the (1973) Yom Kippur war, the CIA and other intelligence organisations compiled and circulated formal reports on future world oil production and price. The CIA report in particular, to which one of our contributors had officially sanctioned access, played an under-pinning role in the New Zealand Muldoon/Birch “Think Big” energy programme.

Both the CIA and the NZ (and other) Government(s) applied the precautionary principle (safeguarding energy supply and promoting domestic production where possible), but without the sanctimonious handwringing promoted by the Greens’ Kennedy Graham (et al), and so justifiably criticised (above) by Rupert Wyndham. Theirs’ was a pragmatic approach. However, like most western nations, New Zealand’s political leaders of the time, simply under-estimated (forgot their history) the ability of man to find solutions to perceived (shortage of supply & excessive price) problems.

On the question (if one remains) about “Peak Oil” we note the following (E & OE), which is based on mostly US sources because the US has always been the main driver in World oil exploration and development:
1882 — Institute of Mining Engineers estimates 95 million barrels of oil remain.
1926 — Federal Oil Conservation Board estimates 4.5 billion barrels remain.
1932 — Federal Oil Conservation Board estimates 10 billion barrels of oil remain.
1944 — Petroleum Administrator for War estimates 20 billion barrels of oil remain.
1950 — American Petroleum Institute says world oil reserves are at 100 billion barrels.
1980 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 648 billion barrels
1993 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 999 billion barrels
2000 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 1016 billion barrels.
2003 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 1212 billion barrels. (Source: Offshore Support Journal – OSJ)
2007 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 1313 billion barrels. (OSJ)
2011 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 1469 billion barrels. (OSJ)
2013 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 1637 billion barrels. (OSJ)
There is a trend here, is there not?
Widespread use of fracking, and access to tar sands, will continue to increase oil reserves, while newly discovered, vast quantities of shale gas will also inevitably shape our energy future.
In some markets (mainly in Europe we suspect) state of the art nuclear powered generation will reduce oil/gas use, but for nations with abundant renewal resources, that will not be an economic option in the foreseeable future.
Solar, wind, tidal and other means of energy production – all high capital cost/high maintenance/short life/ un-storable (at present) means of electricity generation for domestic, industrial, and transportation purposes – will play a boutique role, but not, in the foreseeable future, to the extent that some politicians, and silly NGOs, with rose tinted spectacles, predict.
The red melon Greens will be ever so pleased! 
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March 24, 2018 9:29am
- VicParking
  
  Dont stop oil production. The chain on my bike will get rusty.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:34am
- Harkman
  
  The oil price is governed by the real short term interest rate of major nations. If the US, Europe, Japan, China, Australia, Canada, Korea all lifted interest rates to say 6% this year and real rates went to 4% oil would be $30 per barrel.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:35am
- Holly Roggerz
  
  Flipper I don’t mean to be that much of a grammar nazi but I think the key word here is ‘proven’, as in not all remaining oil, just what we know we have by looking down our wells….
  
  As demand continues to rise for energy, more wells will be constructed, as wells are constructed to keep up with demand, when those same people look down into their now greater number of wells they will count more oil, not more oil per well, but more oil overall because they have more wells containing oil and the ‘proven oil reserves’ will continue to climb…
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:47am
  - flipper
    
    Yes.. without debating specifics I agree that proven is open to interpretation. It suggests to me existing production wells, salt domes and areas that will produce via fracking and other procedures. Our Great Southern Basin apparently falls outside “proven “, as it should right now. I guess the real point is that doomcasters attract clicks, while good news is skipped …. 🙂
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:09am
    - stephieboy
      
      flipper , the peak oil hypotheses was reasonable at the time but only the benefit hindsight informs .
      
      “We go through the present blindfolded… Only later, when the blindfold is removed and we examine the past, do we realise what we’ve been through and understand what it means. ”
      
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      March 24, 2018 12:51pm
Manolo

The religion of peace strikes again:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/hostage-situation-in-southern-france-being-investigated-as-terror-attack/2018/03/23/64649f1e-2e93-11e8-8ad6-fbc50284fce8_story.html

A gunman killed three people and injured several others Friday in an attack that roiled the country that has borne the brunt of Europe’s recent struggle with terrorist violence.

According to French media reports, the attacker, whom Collomb named as Redouane Lakdim, claimed to be connected to the Islamic State as he entered the store. After Lakdim was killed by French authorities, the Islamic State — through its Amaq news arm — identified him as a “soldier” and claimed responsibility for the shooting in Carcassonne and the assault on the Trèbes supermarket.
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March 24, 2018 9:31am
- lifesgood
  
  Interestingly the 6am news on red radio said he was not Islamic and just a petty criminal well known to police. Funny that.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    lifesgood , interestingly at 6.00am an unfolding news item . The latest from “ red radio “,
    
    The gunman hijacked a car and then took hostages at a supermarket in the town of Trиbes.
    The man, named by ministers as 26-year-old Redouane Lakdim, pledged allegiance to the Islamic State group.
    He is believed to have killed and wounded his victims in three separate incidents which began in Carcassonne, 15 minutes’ drive from Trиbes.
    He was said to have been heavily armed and demanding the release of Salah Abdeslam, the most important surviving suspect in the 13 November 2015 attacks in Paris, which killed 130 people.
    Earlier, Prime Minister Йdouard Philippe said that all signs pointed towards a “terrorist act”.
    
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/353257/french-police-shoot-supermarket-gunman
    
    Up 6am ? Feeding the chooks ?
    
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    March 24, 2018 9:45am
    - lifesgood
      
      The only mistake I made was saying 6am…it was at 7am. I have just listed to it again and you should too. Mary Lambie read the bulletin and said with emphasis at the end of the item “the police said he had a life time of petty crime and was NOT a suspected terrorist”
      
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      March 24, 2018 11:56am
    - VicParking
      
      Stephie feeding at 6 up the goats
      
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      March 24, 2018 12:51pm
Rodney Randall

https://clarionproject.org/100-french-intellectuals-denounce-islamist-separatism/

100 French Intellectuals Denounce Islamist Separatism
Wednesday, March 21, 2018

“This new separatism is advancing under concealment. It seeks to appear benign but is in reality a weapon of political and cultural conquest in the service of Islamism.”
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March 24, 2018 9:45am
- DigNap15
  
  Wow
  Its amazing that even intellectuals are now realising the dangers of islam in Europe
  
  Long Live Myanmar, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:50am
  - kowtow
    
    Intellectual ?
    
    Fuck that , it’s taken them a shit long time to wake up, so they can’t have much of a fucking intellect. Anyone with any notion of history will know Islam has been a mortal enemy of all its neighbours since its inception.
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:48am
    - simpleton1
      
      Agreed the intellectuals sure forget their history!
      
      Free speech, that is the freedom to offend, is nearly lost.
      
      The Age of Reason, also known as the Age of Enlightenment.
      ” l’Islam est l’ennemi de la Raison ” .
      Islam is the enemy of Reason;
      Denis Didrot 1713-1784
      
      Perhaps they are feeling the pressure of a sword on their necks, that will mean another word will never be uttered freely, except in their blood, and hearing the last words of “allahu akbar” 🙂
      
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      March 24, 2018 11:02am
- stephieboy
  
  Rodney Randall,
  One of the 100, Georges Bensoussan,, has a troubled history of anti semitism and racism .
  
  http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/225481/shoah-memorial-home-to-a-racist
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:52am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k41D9por6c
    
    Parsifal Overture.
    
    Am currently being transported by Wagner’s music into a mystical trance Steph! One can’t help but be moved by the Ascetic savior Parsifal who comes to redeem a corrupt and degenerate world!
    
    It really starts to climax circa 7:30secs!
    
    Perhaps you could play it at St Albans next Sunday?
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:08am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    The only criticism listed on your wiki link is from the the SPLC.
    
    The Southern Poverty Law Centre and Antifa have the same overall goal: to destroy the freedom of speech and allow only Leftists access to the public sphere.
    
    SPLC won’t label antifa a “hate group” because adherents do not discriminate against people on the basis of race, sexual orientation or other classes protected by antidiscrimination laws, such as religion.”
    
    . . . and yet Mohammedism discriminates against women, Jews, Christians, homosexuals, which should all be protected classes. How does it avoid the hate group label?
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:23am
- Inandout
  
  The old Left is nothing like the Progressive Left. The old one was anti almost everything on the Right, but with one important exception; they would engage in intelligent debate and generally depart in good humour. Progressive Left are nasty bastards who won’t tolerate reasoned debate and will attempt to close it down.
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:00am
  - stephieboy
    
    “The Clarion Project (formerly Clarion Fund Inc.) is a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit organization founded in 2006.[1][2] The organization has been involved in the production and distribution of the films Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West, The Third Jihad, Iranium and Honor Diaries. These films have been widely criticized for falsifying information, and have been described as anti-Muslim propaganda….’
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarion_Project
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:05am
    - simpleton1
      
      How many other links do you want for the English translation?
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=100+French+Intellectuals+Denounce+Islamist+Separatism&rlz=1C1GGRV_enNZ751NZ751&oq=100+French+Intellectuals+Denounce+Islamist+Separatism&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
      Then google again in French.
      
      Clarion is only one of many that have translated the original written in French document.
      Can sb appreciate the diversity of many French intellectuals ?
      
      We are citizens of differing and often diametrically opposed views, who have found agreement in expressing our concern in the face of the rise of Islamism. We are united not by our affinities, but by the feeling of danger that threatens freedom in general and not just freedom of thought.
      
      That which unites us today is more fundamental than that which will undoubtedly separate us tomorrow.
      
      Is that understood, that French intellectuals may not all agree, on many other things.
      It is that they will endeavour to have a peaceful war of words demonstrations and protests.
      
      The intellectuals do not support an ideology that wants to be together as mosque and state.
      They do not agree an ideology that is inherently ok with swords, bombs, guns, knives, grenades, poisons, fire, etc. as shown in the superior Medina verses which abrogate earlier verses, all found in the koran, per Mohammad, Gabriel from allah.
      
      Can Mohammad be denied certain parts of his sayings, advice, deeds and actions that can all be found in the koran and supporting hadith?
      
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      March 24, 2018 10:23am
    - DigNap15
      
      I agree with all the rolling comments at the bottom of that webpage.
      
      They really show how evil islam is
      Anti women.
      Anti non believers
      
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      March 24, 2018 11:13am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , reasoned debate from you ? Press Irony alert Button .
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:06am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Southern Poverty Law Centre TWITTER:
      
      “So Linda Sarsour attackers are “proudly” declaring their bigotry. In case it wasn’t obvious. #IMarchWithLinda”
      
      So SPLC are staunch Linda Sarsour supporters.
      
      Sarsour tweet (deleted but internet never forgets)
      
      “Brigitte Gabriel = Ayan Hirsi Ali. She’s asking for an a$$ whippin. I wish I could take their vaginas away. – they don’t deserve to be women.”
      
      Enough said.
      
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      March 24, 2018 10:40am
      - stephieboy
        
        Rodney Randall,
        
        Source that please ?
        
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        March 24, 2018 12:56pm
- simpleton1
  
  islamism, those intellectuals are trying to keep “French Laïcité”
  “French concept of secularism . It discourages religious involvement in government affairs, especially religious influence in the determination of state policies; and of course vice a versa.
  Do you (RR) think they can hold against islam?
  
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  March 24, 2018 11:53am
- chiz
  
  France has intellectuals?
  
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  March 24, 2018 12:23pm
- simpleton1
  
  A German version which is much briefer and to the point.
  “Joint Declaration”
  32 first signatories.
  over 800 and growing numbers;
  authors, publicists, artists, scientists and other academics.
  
  https://translate.google.ca/translate?hl=en&sl=de&u=https://www.erklaerung2018.de/&prev=search
  
  Doubtlessly in that number, a goat that detests diversity of opinion, may spot an alt, right neo- nazi, communist, Bolshevik, socialist, democrat, citizen, patriot or whatever.
  
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  March 24, 2018 3:02pm
Monique Watson

SB, I suggest you need to go get shit in order and spring out the Painter’s palette. Proper grooming is everything.
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March 24, 2018 9:59am
DifferentPerspective

Having fun at the expense of old, white males

Looks like we’ve all been paying for the execrable JAG to have a lot of fun jaunting around the world to advocate against old, white males – here’s JAG’s holiday photos

Shouldn’t someone tell her about how flying around the wolrd on jets is causing lots of the climate change that she went overseas to try to prevent (oh yes, it’s OK when misandryist socialists do it).
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March 24, 2018 10:09am
DifferentPerspective

Wait a minute… minorities are … in the majority?

So there are about:
– 1.2 billion black Africans
– 4.2 billion Asians
– 700 million whites

Yet, somehow the Africans and Asians are referred to as “minorities”?
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March 24, 2018 10:12am
- Inandout
  
  Leave the blacks in charge, get rid of the whites, and you have huge problems. Africa is full of examples, South Africa being the latest. Left to their own devices and Africans will revert to tribal village life. Perhaps the Arabs, with the help of African chiefs, can once again be slave traders; but this time to the Middle East.
  
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  March 24, 2018 11:08am
stephieboy

DP , big fail,

“Yet, somehow the Africans and Asians are referred to as “minorities”?”

Minorities in countries like NZ , Australia and the US etc

DUH!
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March 24, 2018 10:18am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  No you silly galah, it’s the libtard globalists that refer to non-whites as minorities. And after all they are all about the global perspective.
  
  Do try to keep up.
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:28am
- kevn
  
  Go back to sleep septicboy.
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:36am
RF

Are there cracks appearing in the COL.

John Armstrong was critical of Ardern and casting doubt on her ability to hold herself together.

If her petulant actions in the house last week were an indication of her stability she is going to have a very rocky ride in the next month or so.

A very immature little brat.
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March 24, 2018 10:23am
- macdee
  
  he’s just an old white man, off with his head
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/john-armstrong-jacinda-ardern-has-appeared-flustered-even-rattled-during-first-crises-hit-her-government
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:35am
  - nasska
    
    It’s Armstrong’s prophetic warning that should have Labour worried:
    
    ….”Ardern would be well-advised not to make a habit of playing fast and loose with the facts, however. Her patter might be silky smooth. But she cannot expect to talk her way out of every predicament that she finds herself enmeshed in”……
    
    The airhead with a communications degree has nothing to offer other than PR speak & bullshit. That’s what will sink them.
    
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    March 24, 2018 11:16am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Green tick.
      An airhead might float rather well, no ?
      
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      March 24, 2018 1:26pm
- DigNap15
  
  Wow I can’t believe how much he got stuck into Jacinda and the COL.
  He was even talking of what might happen if the COL fell apart!
  
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  March 24, 2018 11:01am
  - lifesgood
    
    I agree DigNap15. Wow, just wow! When One News Now is prepared to print articles like this the wheels are definitely falling off the COL. Brilliant stuff! Can’t wait for the old jalopy to crash.
    
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    March 24, 2018 11:47am
  - Piniwi
    
    But DigNap15 it is no secret he is himself unwell and thus extended a little more tolerance as he belatedly has a moment of lucidity. But sadly in golfing terms his attempted swing is just an air shot.
    
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    March 24, 2018 3:08pm
  - RF
    
    There is no holding back when the usually friendly media are now openly criticising her of being very casual with the truth.
    
    Liars should have good memories….
    
    Thats is her Achilles heel.
    
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    March 24, 2018 4:36pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  That was excellently written.
  
  I’ve avoided most coverage of Obama and Ardern. However, I did happen to catch the clip where she’d been chatting with Obama and stated that she’d asked him, “How do you handle the guilt?”
  
  Not a surprising question, really.
  
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  March 24, 2018 11:31am
  - itstricky
    
    Not a surprising question, really.
    
    Why?
    
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    March 24, 2018 11:39am
  - lifesgood
    
    Do you believe she asked him that or do you think she just said she did to please her sycophants? I think she had so many stars in her eyes she probably just giggled and blushed like a stupid school girl.
    
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    March 24, 2018 11:49am
- niggly
  
  Geoff’s News of NZ is reporting that a Political Poll has been conducted (the results might be coming tonight or tomorrow/Tv3 by the looks).
  
  If those questions (displayed there) are typical of those being asked then the COL’s “popularity” or “honeymoon” could be at risk?
  
  The COL’s blunders and mishandling in the last couple of weeks are too numerous to list here!
  
  https://twitter.com/GeoffsNewsofNZ/status/976149227205050368
  
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  March 24, 2018 11:57am
kowtow

The European permanent political class elites bear direct responsibilty.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03/23/sex-attacks-continue-increase-austria-migrant-crisis/
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March 24, 2018 10:23am
- simpleton1
  
  The murderous attacker was thwarted and shot dead.
  
  https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2018/3/12/knife-wielding-austrian-man-attempts-to-storm-iranian-ambassadors-residence
  
  He wanted to raise another flag on the embassy,
  and so fingers are pointed.
  
  far-right Freedom Party, many fear a rising anti-Muslim sentiment backed up by harsh anti-immigration policies. It is not clear however if far-right extremism had anything to do with Sunday’s incident.
  
  What was that flag again?
  Was it in support of another version of Mohammad’s terror concepts?
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:37am
EAD_TWO

BREAKING NEWS

Jordan Peterson finally publishes an article addressing the Jewish question and gets absolutely demolished in his comments section as does Paul Joseph Watson when he Cucks for Peterson:

https://jordanbpeterson.com/psychology/on-the-so-called-jewish-question/

https://mobile.twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/977237553601540096
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March 24, 2018 11:04am
- EAD_TWO
  
  To save Kiwibloggers reading the article, Peterson’s rejection of “identity politics, (in this case a de-facto euphemism for white identity) is used to ignore the fact that whites are under attack by everyone from the EU to JAG, whilst tacitly recognising the existence of Jews as a group.
  
  Academic mental gymnastics if ever there was any❗
  
  And the idea that Jews are “working hard for our mutual advancement” because they have a few Nobel Prizes is painfully ignorant.
  
  The rest is fluff and waffle dressed as “science”.
  
  FWIW – Despite their supposed high IQ and number of Nobel Prizes (these are heckled for and pushed, just like Knighthoods and Academy Awards), when you think of inventions and discoveries that have actually benefited mankind globally and forever, Jews don’t even come close to the Scots.
  
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  March 24, 2018 11:11am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    I’ll also add that what irritates me the most about Peterson’s argument is just how materialistic it is, he has no conception of Jews as a destructive force because he can’t seem to imagine a world beyond IQ and wealth.
    
    It’s not just that Jews have power, it’s what they do with it. And I’m weary of people calling themselves Christians of the reactionary variety who do not see it, despite the entire history of say, the Catholic Church, being labelled as ”Anti-Semitic”.
    
    It means they no longer even know what they’re fighting against.
    
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    March 24, 2018 11:17am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO , take time and ponder this ,
      
      “Richard Dawkins Perplexed by High Number of Jewish Nobel Prize Winners”
      
      The usually self-assured biologist, author and atheist Richard Dawkins expressed his bewilderment at the disproportionate amount of Nobel prizes won by Jews in a recent interview with the New Republic, saying he is “intrigued by” the “phenomenally high” number of Jewish laureates.
      
      Addressing the controversy surrounding a Tweet he wrote during the conferment of Nobel prizes earlier this month, Dawkins offered up something of a mea culpa, stating: “That was unfortunate. I should have compared religion with religion and compared Islam not with Trinity College but with Jews, because the number of Jews who have won Nobel Prizes is phenomenally high.”
      
      Continuing, he said: “Race does not come into it. It is pure religion and culture. Something about the cultural tradition of Jews is way, way more sympathetic to science and learning and intellectual pursuits than Islam. That would have been a fair comparison. Ironically, I originally wrote the tweet with Jews and thought, That might give offense. And so I thought I better change it….”
      
      https://www.algemeiner.com/2013/10/29/richard-dawkins-perplexed-by-high-number-of-jewish-nobel-prize-winners/
      
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      March 24, 2018 1:02pm
      - Manolo
        
        Not only Nobel prizes but chess Grand Masters, top scientists, musicians,etc. Great minds, indeed.
        
        On the other hand, the Muslims’ tray is empty…
        
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        March 24, 2018 1:09pm
      - simpleton1
        
        sb getting a little of it 🙂 something about Mohammad: R Dawkins
        
        “pure religion and culture”……”
        way more sympathetic to science and learning and intellectual pursuits than Islam. That would have been a fair comparison”
        R Dawkins (from above sb quote)
        
        The Age of Reason, also known as the Age of Enlightenment.
        ” l’Islam est l’ennemi de la Raison ” .
        Islam is the enemy of Reason;
        Denis Didrot 1713-1784
        
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        March 24, 2018 1:11pm
DigNap15

https://clarionproject.org/100-french-intellectuals-denounce-islamist-separatism/

Here is another link to that article by the French Intellectuals.

BUT what is very interesting is if you scroll down to the bottom and read the rolling comments by sane intelligent people on islam.

It really shows how evil it is.
I really hope Europe wakes up and SOON.
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March 24, 2018 11:10am
DigNap15

In Austria it said that 90% of asylum seekers are on welfare!
Madness.
Just send them all back.
And castrate the rapists before doing so.
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March 24, 2018 11:20am
Monique Watson

There’s not a lot of decent Caucasian jokes really, apart from those rubbing Genie’s lamps or around sheep shaggers. Am I right? Or am I right?
Oh wait. Isn’t that what preggers poster girl is doing to keep the COL locked together? Rubbing a few lamps and throwing a few sheeps to the boys to keep everything under control?
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March 24, 2018 11:26am
- GazzaW
  
  If they can’t find any willing sheep they just organise a Young Labour weekend camp.
  
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  March 24, 2018 11:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

New Crack in Rift Valley.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-43501954/huge-crack-opens-in-kenya-s-rift-valley
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March 24, 2018 11:50am
- VicParking
  
  Quick send Winston over there to solve the problem.
  Wait… He has to fix the bigger crack in the COL first
  
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  March 24, 2018 1:00pm
cmm

Women can do anyth… OMG!!! SPIDER!!!

Why is it that so many perfectly rational and capable women do nuts when there’s a “bloke problem”?
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March 24, 2018 12:01pm
- VicParking
  
  No.. They can’t piss up a wall
  
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  March 24, 2018 1:01pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Different configuration, but yes we can.
    
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    March 24, 2018 1:46pm
    - Monique Watson
      
      Right-on 🙂
      
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      March 24, 2018 5:10pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Why would we want to?
      
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      March 24, 2018 5:14pm
Hugh Pavletich

… AUSTRALIAN BANKING ROYAL COMMISSION … PLAYTIME BANKING DAYS ARE OVER …

‘They can see I’ve a gambling problem’: Banks’ lending practices laid bare at royal commision | Australia news | The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/mar/24/they-can-see-ive-a-gambling-problem-banks-lending-practices-laid-bare-at-royal-commision

… extract …

… Analysts from UBS published a research note on Friday, warning that given there had been only two weeks of hearings, the prospect for Australia’s banks was not good.

“The banking royal commission has presented evidence of: fraud, bribery, failure to verify customer income, not assessing expenses, false documentation, failure of internal controls, failure to report misconduct to Asic, and systemic problems,” the UBS note read.

“So far the royal commission has been presented with substantial evidence based on a number of case studies into banking misconduct.”

The UBS analysts said as a consequence of the royal commission, Australia’s banks might have to tighten further their lending practices, and that this might lead to general “credit tightening” or a “credit crunch” in the economy, depending on how things played out. … read more via hyperlink above …

… in case you had not viewed these earlier Australian Broadcasting Corporation (ABC) reports … essential viewing …

ABC 7.30 Report does ‘liar loans’ and the interest-only time bomb – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abc-7-30-report-liar-loans-interest-time-bomb/

AUSTRALIA: ABC’s The Business does liar loans – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/

… lessons from recent history were blindingly obvious … the Irish bubble experience being just one of many …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/#comment-3060351
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March 24, 2018 12:13pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  … INTEREST CO NZ PARROTING ANZ NEW ZEALAND MAKES NO MENTION OF THE AUSTRALIAN BANKING ROYAL COMMISSION …
  
  Investor caution and stretched housing affordability will prevent Auckland housing from taking off again, economists from country’s biggest mortgage lender say | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/news/92777/investor-caution-and-stretched-housing-affordability-will-prevent-auckland-housing-market
  
  … extract …
  
  ‘Eye watering prices’ … ( parroting the bleeding obvious ! ) …
  
  ANZ’s economists note a key headwind in Auckland housing is affordability, or lack of it, with “eye-watering prices” holding the market back from resurgence. They note the house price-to-income ratio rose from 6 in 2008 to 9 in 2017, a 50% increase after adjusting for household earnings.
  
  “This has moderated recently, but only modestly. However you cut it, Auckland house prices have increased to the point where they are unaffordable for many. A house price of 9 times income is a massive stretch for those on the average income, let alone those who are earning less,” ANZ says. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … while making no mention of the Australian Banking Royal Commission …
  
  Google Search
  ‘Australia Banking Royal Commission’
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=GRK0WsjUNIGC8gXdyqSYDA&q=australia+banking+royal+commission+&oq=australia+banking+royal+commission+&gs_l=psy-ab.13..0.15454.26675.0.28796.37.18.0.18.18.0.288.2843.2-12.13.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..6.30.3098.0..0i131k1j0i3k1j0i22i30k1.195.FVNdEuQVcMM
  
  … and lessons from the Irish 2007 experience …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/#comment-3060351
  
  Antipodean (Australia and New Zealand) bankers and their brokers will of course be losing their nerves about high multiple lending … for very good reasons.
  
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  March 24, 2018 12:16pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Late today Hugh. Still same old cut, paste and hyperlink format, still boring, but late.
    
    I expect better.
    
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    March 24, 2018 12:53pm
    - niggly
      
      Surely there must be a name for the condition that a person has whereby they spend hours reading obsessively about the same issue over and over then get pleasure copying and pasting selective comments multiple times ad nauseam (and sometimes the exact same comment post is repeated the next day), yet that person is also completely deaf to others telling them they aren’t interested?!!!
      
      Pavletichitis perhaps??? 😉
      
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      March 24, 2018 1:15pm
      - noskire
        
        Dunning-Kruger effect?
        
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        March 24, 2018 1:49pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        AUSTRALIA … POLITICALLY CORRUPTING THE HOUSING MARKET & ASSOCIATED LENDING …
        
        Will the banking community now be regretting it’s infantile greed, in propping up political failure, with grossly irresponsible (mainly high multiple) lending … and screwing their clients in the process ?
        
        Where was the leadership within the banking community over recent decades, publicly advocating the importance of structurally sound and affordable housing markets ?
        
        Now it’s time to pay the price …
        
        Australia’s Greenspan moment arrives – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/australias-greenspan-moment-arrives/
        
        In October 2008, Alan Greenspan confessed:
        
        Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders’ equity, myself included, are in a state of shocked disbelief…. The whole intellectual edifice [of risk-management in derivative markets]…collapsed last summer.” Asked whether his ideological bias led him to faulty judgments, he answered: “Yes, I’ve found a flaw. I don’t know how significant or permanent it is. But I’ve been very distressed by that fact.” … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        There is a world of difference between CLEAN true market housing values (at or below 3 times annual household incomes) … and CORRUPTED political values (above 3 times annual household incomes …
        
        2018 14th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
        The above annual Survey categorises markets as affordable; moderately unaffordable; seriously unaffordable and severely unaffordable.
        
        They could be better categorised as politically clean; moderately corrupted; seriously corrupted and severely corrupted.
        
        If the politicians and bureaucrats have corrupted housing markets (misused the law to effectively ban the construction of affordable housing) … why should we be surprised market participants respond by behaving dishonestly in politically corrupted housing markets ?
        
        Has this been made clear to the Australian Banking Royal Commission ?
        
        The major aim of the Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys is to encourage the restoration of POLITICALLY CLEAN (at or below 3 times annual household incomes) housing markets.
        
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        March 24, 2018 5:04pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        CLEARLY … THE AUSTRALIAN AND NEW ZEALAND BANKING SYSTEMS ARE IN FOR AN ENORMOUS SHAKE UP …
        
        Banking royal commission could spark credit crunch that drags down wider economy: analysts – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-24/banking-royal-commission-cause-a-credit-crunch-and-hit-economy/9579654
        
        (note in particular Commissioner (former High Court Judge) Kenneth Haynes in the ABC video)
        
        It has been going just two weeks but the royal commission into the banks has had a vastly more material impact than most observers expected.
        
        Banks have been absolutely crunched as evidence of all manner of dodginess and outright fraud mounted up.
        
        The Big Four have lost around 4 per cent of their value since Commissioner Ken Hayne and his redoubtable counsel assisting, Rowena Orr, started turning the screws earlier this month.
        
        But ruthless efficacy of the inquisition could trigger a far bigger and systematic crunch — one that hits not only bank profitability, but potentially the entire economy.
        
        The big investment bank UBS has marshalled its banking and economic analysts to look at the impact on future credit conditions that will inevitably tighten as banks are forced to become more responsible with the loans they have been selling. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
        
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        March 24, 2018 5:40pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        AUSTRALIA: ‘Long and painful’: Peter Costello’s rate warning for households … Sydney Morning Herald
        
        ‘Long and painful’: Peter Costello’s rate warning for households … Sydney Morning Herald l
        
        https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/long-and-painful-peter-costello-s-rate-warning-for-households-20180320-p4z5bj.html
        
        The inevitable return to higher interest rates is necessary, warns Future Fund chairman Peter Costello but it will be more painful for the nation’s deeply indebted households the longer it was held off.
        
        Mr Costello, who served as federal treasurer for 10 years, said how to unwind low interest rates was an issue challenging a world that was “awash with money”.
        
        “The big global issue now is how do we get back to more normal conditions,” he said. … read more via hyperlink above …
        .
        .
        Google Search
        ‘Peter Costello’
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?source=hp&ei=jFqxWpafBorz8QXm7quQDw&q=peter+costello&oq=peter+costello&gs_l=psy-ab.13..0l10.3731.7870.0.12641.16.15.0.0.0.0.303.2620.2-10j1.12.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..4.11.2605.0..46j0i131k1j0i46k1.193.tY8LlyMXbEc
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        AUCKLAND: Sales rates ranged from 19% to 40% at Barfoot & Thompson’s latest auctions | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/92708/sales-rates-ranged-19-40-barfoot-thompsons-latest-auctions
        
        Barfoot & Thompson had an overall sales rate of just under a third at the agency’s auctions last week.
        
        Barfoot marketed 187 residential properties for sale by auction and achieved sales on 56 of them, giving an overall clearance rate of 30%. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        March 24, 2018 6:03pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        For those who enjoy reading Hugh Pavletich’s ~~contributions~~ copy-and-pasted comments, you can have 25 minutes with Hugh. A guaranteed cure for insomniacs!
        
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        March 24, 2018 6:37pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        What former Australian Liberal Party leader John Hewson said about 12 months ago …
        
        The risk is greater than the GFC if we can’t fix the housing crisis … John Hewson … Sydney Morning Herald
        
        https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/the-risk-is-greater-than-the-gfc-if-we-cant-fix-the-housing-crisis-20170309-guu4sf.html
        
        One of the main reasons why the anti-establishment movement is gaining considerable momentum in our politics is that key policy issues have been ignored and just left to drift, some now reaching crisis proportions.
        
        Housing is a conspicuous example. The political class is finally catching up, with both NSW and Victorian premiers now making it a priority, and Treasurer Scott Morrison committing to a “housing package” as the centrepiece of the May budget. All probably very little, too late, with the issue complicated with overlapping federal and state responsibilities. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        March 24, 2018 7:30pm
      - Swifty
        
        I just fail to understand why he parades his contempt for his fellow NZers here day after day after day.
        
        He is seriously unwell.
        
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        March 24, 2018 9:12pm
sooty

I was first to down tick you Hughie.
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March 24, 2018 12:28pm
- pentwig
  
  No
  I was!!!!
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:13pm
Manolo

Trump is getting flak for signing this:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/23/trump-threatens-to-veto-omnibus-spending-bill-over-daca-and-the-border-wall.html

An “unhappy” President Donald Trump signed the $1.3 trillion spending bill into law Friday, his second about-face in 24 hours on the measure to keep the government open.

The president said he approved the legislation to fund the government through September for national security reasons, as it authorizes a major increase in military spending that he supports. But he stressed that he did so reluctantly.
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March 24, 2018 12:52pm
- virtualmark
  
  I remember a time when Republicans were worried about the deficit, focused on restricting Government spending, and talked of balancing the budget.
  
  Of course that was when Republicans also didn’t like Russia, stressed how much moral values were important, impeached Presidents for infidelities etc etc.
  
  RIP.
  
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  March 24, 2018 1:34pm
Monique Watson

I’m going to downtick you too Pavletich as I’m not sure you have a couple of matches to rub together.
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March 24, 2018 1:28pm
Manolo

His base will not forget this:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/03/23/trump-gop-omnibus-planned-parenthood/

President Donald Trump and congressional Republicans broke their promise to conservative voters by including funding for Planned Parenthood, which receives approximately $500 million in taxpayer funding each year, in the omnibus bill that Trump signed into law on Friday.
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March 24, 2018 1:31pm
- virtualmark
  
  You mean Trump lied to someone, and now they’ve been stabbed in the back?
  
  If only someone could have told them this might happen.
  
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  March 24, 2018 1:35pm
Johnboy

Good grief. Einstein was right after all when he said “WWIV will be fought with rocks” 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/102559500/us-district-arms-teachers-with-rocks-in-case-of-school-shooter
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March 24, 2018 6:38pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  I’m surprised to see you commenting here. Shouldn’t you be up in Auckland comforting Penny, old chap?
  
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  March 24, 2018 6:40pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I’ve offered her accomodation in my cowshed and her cats are welcome to come to dinner in my pigpen Nostra. What else can a caring sort of chap do?
    
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    March 24, 2018 6:45pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Johnboy:
      
      I’m sure Penny is grateful for your accommodation offer. But she’ll need your help at Bright Manor when the police make her pack up the tent. Just imagine the screeching! The neighbours will probably need to call Noise Control (an Auckland Council service for ratepayers) that day!
      
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      March 24, 2018 6:52pm
Johnboy

He can’t be that rich. He has to wear his taller brothers hand-me-down jeans! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/102523783/wicked-campers-founder-moves-to-milliondollar-house-in-queenstown
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March 24, 2018 6:43pm
- Monique Watson
  
  Re Wicked Campers, Queenstown Hill is a shit part of town to own property. It’s basically permafrost for five months of the year. Far better to go to Kelvin Heights or Jacks Point.
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:22pm
Monique Watson

What with David Garrett’s offer of legal advice and yours of accomodation, Johnboy you’d think Bright would be home and hosed and making out while the sun shines. To mix metaphors. Just get her back in the the box before feed-out time. So as not to scare the cows.
Be interesting to see her cats foxtrot with the pigs.
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March 24, 2018 7:13pm
Nostradamus

An interview with Penny Bright 3 years ago:

In this installment, we have a lengthy interview with one of the most stingy and corrupt woman in New Zealand; Penny Bright. I personally believe she doesn’t pay her rates as a result of being ”completely broke” she will then use the Auckland City Council as a convenient excuse not to pay her rates.

The guy claimed to be a Fairfax journalist, and Penny was very happy to talk to him – for 1.5 hours! Throughout the interview generally, but particularly at 57.19, the guy takes the piss:

Adam: What baffles me is the $950,000 in rates that over a 52-year period that you’ve accumulated. I don’t understand how they’ve just wiped that.

Penny: I don’t – Look, where do you keep getting these figures from? What the hell are you talking about?

Adam: It was the rates. The Council rates.

Penny: Where did you get that – where have you got that figure from?

Adam: The Auckland City Council.

Penny: You have something in writing that says – quote me exactly the black and white of what they’re claiming I owe. I want you to email me a copy of this, because it’s absolute shit. I’m not having – I’m sorry. It’s just bullshit.

Adam: Oh.

Penny: Well, it is.

Adam: But this is what the council said.

Penny: Well, I would like to see the evidence upon which you’re relying to say the council said this, because this is absolute news to me. Send me a copy of what it is, directly from source, send me something with the Auckland Council letterhead that says what it is that they allege I owe. Send me a copy of that. I’m not interested in anything else apart from something that has Auckland Council letterhead on it. Have you got that?

Adam: Yes

Penny: And tell me what exactly it says.

Adam: One moment please. [Sound of shuffling paper]. $1, 250,000.

Penny: You’ve got to be joking. They’re saying I owe that in rates?

Adam: Yes.

The LOL factor is strong in this one!
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March 24, 2018 7:23pm
- nasska
  
  You’re worth breeding from Nostra! 🙂
  
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  March 24, 2018 7:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It might be safer to clone him.
    
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    March 24, 2018 7:49pm
nasska

Two couples had arranged to spend a long weekend at a country house hotel. On the drive to the hotel they shared a car and during the 2 hour journey they agreed that, to spice up the weekend, they would try a little partner swapping.

Having checked into the hotel each went on to the bedroom with their new partner. The sex started immediately. It was hot and heavy. After half an hour one of the men turned to his new partner and said.

“That was terrific. We should have done this years ago. I wonder how the girls are getting on?”
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March 24, 2018 8:37pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Is “country house hotel” a euphemism for the Quarry Inn, Nasska? 🙂
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:58pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  That’s naaaasty!
  
  D4J would be so confused, dies he appreciate the twist or get twisted because he wasn’t involved
  
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  March 24, 2018 8:59pm
Monique Watson

A young woman has been taking golf lessons and decides to play her first round.
She’s just started when she gets stung by a bee.

The pain is so bad she has to go back to the clubhouse.

Her golf pro sees her come into the clubhouse and asks her, “Why are you back so early? What’s the matter?”

She replies, “I was stung by a bee.”

The gold pro says, “Oh no! Where?”

The woman says, “Between the first and second hole.”

The pro nods knowingly and says, “Apparently your stance is too wide.”
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March 24, 2018 9:02pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now, if you had started that joke as …
  A young Georgian/Armenian woman has been taking golf lessons…
  you would have a Caucasian joke.
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/general_debate_24_march_2018.html/comment-page-1#comment-2169963
  Even better she could have been playing for the Caucasus Cup.
  http://www.ambassadori.com/golf-club/events/26
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:20pm
nasska

“G’Day mate, Aussie help line here……….What’s the problem,…. Cobber?”

“I’m in Darwin with my Sheila and she’s been stung on the minge by a wasp, and now her pussy has completely closed up.

” “Bummer, mate…!!!”

“Thanks mate, I hadn’t thought of that. Bye.”
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March 24, 2018 9:30pm
- Nostradamus
  
  I imagine the Hagley Park helpline team responds to some interesting calls, Nasska!
  
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  March 24, 2018 9:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What is it with old ladies and odd protests?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/23/woman-with-pink-recorder-arrested-over-sheffield-tree-felling
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March 24, 2018 9:52pm
Monique Watson

Haha I’m going to try field some decent Caucasian jokes. For shits and giggles.

I’ Sure there is material around the crack in the Rift Valley to draw on as well.
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March 24, 2018 10:13pm
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  I was queuing up at a coffee shop not being able to decide what I wanted when I look out the window and some Caucasian bloke gets run over by an articulated truck.
  
  “I’ll have a flat white please.”
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:26pm
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    Stephieboy: “I’ll have a flat white with goat’s milk please.”
    
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    March 24, 2018 10:31pm
- Monique Watson
  
  I mean, “I’m sure”. Dammit. That’s what happens when you mix pills and booze. The editing skills drop away.
  
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  March 24, 2018 10:35pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/03/24/france-isis-attack-hostage-police-officer/455358002/

French police officer who swapped places with hostage during attack dies, official says
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March 24, 2018 10:34pm
Rodney Randall

Arnaud Beltrame died in the service of the nation to which he had already given so much,” President Emmanuel Macron said in a statement. “In giving his life to end the deadly plan of a jihadi terrorist, he fell as a hero.”
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