General Debate 19 March 2018

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Lee C

Has Jacinda Ardern betrayed the trust of the nation?
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March 19, 2018 8:06am
- hullkiwi
  
  If your talking about those who believed her fairy dust?
  
  They will now be the ones who will shout the loudest that she is a dud. Whereas those that voted National or Act were never taken in by hers or Winnie the Poo’s b******t.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:19am
- KKKKatee
  
  No doubt about it. She can take her Marxist ideology some place else as far as I’m concerned. We need to take a stand against this nonsense. Marxism has no place in our society. She’s only been in the hot seat for 6 months and has wrecked havoc thus far. She’s been on a massive spending spree and now admits there’s no money left for other things she so vigorously campaigned on. Child poverty, houses for all, zero suicide ha e all taken a back seat.
  Arden – the wrecking ball PM. ‘Hideous’ is an excellent description of her.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:25am
  - mikenmild
    
    ‘wreaked havoc’
    One cannot wreck havoc, it is already somewhat wrecked.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:41am
    - MrLovebucket
      
      NZ has never been in as good a shape as it was in August last year.
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:55am
      - mikenmild
        
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        Don’t you remember the mid-60s, before the baby boomers started to ruin everything?
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:10am
      - burt
        
        Don’t you remember the mid-60s, before the baby boomers started to ruin everything?
        
        The mid 60’s – just after the last Labour government that didn’t end in recession. You lot have been trying to recreate that time over and over and it’s not worked since then. Will you ever give up repeating what is now a failed experiment?
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:40am
      - mikenmild
        
        Will you ever give up repeating spurious correlations?
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:43am
      - rangitoto
        
        “Don’t you remember the mid-60s,”
        
        When you had to get permission from the Government to spend any money on an overseas holiday and everyone lived in cold damp mouldy houses. Actually the latter wasn’t so much of a problem back then as people actually cleaned the houses.
        
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        March 19, 2018 1:39pm
  - doggone7
    
    It’s hard to work out the extent to which Ardern has wreaked havoc on some people.
    We see berserk, braindead, sad, and childish ranting about her but you wonder if those people were just like that anyway.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:42am
    - Kimbo
      
      ~~Clark~~ ~~Key~~ Jacinda Derangement Syndrome
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:46am
    - Kimbo
      
      And just as others are susceptible to “why didn’t he ask that when John Key was Prime Minister?!” Hosking Derangement Syndrome. ?
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:57am
  - Simon
    
    Ardern is weak and incompetent. She ain’t calling the shots. She is a figurehead.
    
    Children under zLabours care were given alcohol and sexually abused. She ain’t fired anyone for this.
    
    The Greens have fired a warning shot. It is looking shaking.
    
    Once the baby is born she should resign saying she wants to devote time to family. She would be hailed as the greatest NZer ever and save face.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:05am
    - mikenmild
      
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      Who would replace her, in your elegant fantasy?
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:11am
      - Simon
        
        You don’t think Ardern is weak and incompetent?
        
        Children under Labour’s care were piled with alcohol and touched up and then Labour tried to hide it. Ardern cant fire anyone fir this.
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:15am
      - mikenmild
        
        ‘piled’ with alcohol is my dream…
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:44am
      - burt
        
        Who would replace her
        
        Benson-Pope – At least we’d expect him to be complicit in protecting a sexual predator.
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:53am
      - Paulus
        
        The Union’s appointment – Andy not so Angry with the Lenin alike beard.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:00am
      - Simon
        
        People were vomiting in the toilets and bushes from too much boozing at Young Labour summer camp
        
        And there was a giant walk-in fridge where anyone, including people as young as 15, could just walk in and grab any booze they wanted.
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12013540
        
        Fairly fucked up. Ardern’s hands are tied.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:05am
      - mikenmild
        
        Paulus
        It is said that your favour a Churchill haircut, but I doubt that’s true, either.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:17am
      - KiWombat
        
        She is like Kleenex – soft and disposable !
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:47am
  - RF
    
    KKKKatee.
    
    Agree.
    
    She is like a slimy eel wriggling on a spear when questioned.
    
    Presents as a very naive smart mouth individual who thrives on public adoration.
    
    Loves tossing out well rehearsed one liners followed by a stupid smirk as if to say…Got Ya.
    
    She should take a hike and take her Marxist ideals with her.
    
    Hideous… nah… more obnoxious and shallow.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:41am
    - KiWombat
      
      She is like Kleenex – soft and disposable !
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:48am
      - sooty
        
        More like toilet paper. Goes away with a stain.
        
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        March 19, 2018 12:11pm
  - KevOB
    
    How can there be no money left? Hasn’t Robbo promised to spend as needed then write cheques for more?
    
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    March 19, 2018 12:59pm
- igm
  
  She has not betrayed trust of the nation, just a number of envious ill-informed losers who voted for the crockery-faced liar, endorsed by a drunken dwarf. Wake up NZ, she is a charlatan, not unlike Goff, Len Brown, David Cunliffe, Miner Little, et al!
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:36am
  - mikenmild
    
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    Luckily we have moderate, non-charlatans like you to point that out.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:44am
    - flipper
      
      Ahhhhh…
      Fraser House has let the milkybar kid out of the hutch early today !
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:06am
      - mikenmild
        
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        Breakfast already over in the nursing home, you senile failure?
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:07am
      - mikenmild
        
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        But before you memory fails completely, could you tell us some more anecdotes about your old mate Muldoon?
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:08am
      - starboard
        
        I vote mm as the biggest asshole on this blog.. Uptick for yeah
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:12am
      - mikenmild
        
        Enough with your anal obsession, starboard. Tell us some more stories about your imaginary war in Southeast Asia.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:15am
- VicParking
  
  Why use the word “has” and a “?”. This statement is a truthism not a question.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:51am
- niggly
  
  Hopefully those in the MSM that promoted “Jacindamania” last year (ignoring her inexperience and lack of Parliamentary effectiveness and only considering her earnestness and feelz good factor – eg Fairfax’s Tracy Watkins, TV3’s Patrick Gower, all of TVNZ’s political reporters etc), have come to the stark conclusion that Jacinda is only a figurehead for the Labour Party as it is actually run and led by its Party President and Executive. As events in the last few weeks have clearly demonstrated.
  
  For those so-called journalists I hope they ponder what this really means both for their hero Jacinda and the Labour Party as a whole, then what it really means for the future survivability of this unusual coalition governing arrangement, when as we know there will be more to come once Jacinda steps down to have her baby.
  
  Does the Labour Party Executive really want Winston as PM, Kelvin as Deputy still (or will they be plotting something else? I mean can anyone imagine Kelvin as Deputy still? Where’s Andrew Little going to be in the scheme of things)? How will Winston as PM affect Labour’s position with the Greens (who aren’t exactly NZF’s biggest fans)? What plots and schemes will start to see the light of day … before not too long I suspect as time is rapidly counting down! Will the secret Lab/NZF coalition document be “amended”, if so, how will Winnie take it?
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:55am
  - noskire
    
    Some excellent points niggly.
    Without going in to too much detail and history (there is more than one thesis in this, but I would be very interested to read the one written by HDPA for a start) , I would suggest that JA is an accidental PM.
    And there are a LOT of people in the Labour Party (mostly parliamentary and executive, not grass-roots) that have serious some problems with that. Combine that with the very real power struggles that have plagued Labour since Clark ejected herself after defeat.
    I will say it yet again, this government will not last a full-term – actually I think one year might be a stretch now.
    Just to add, and slightly off-topic, I think the standard of debate and commentary on KiwiBlog has lifted substantially in the last 2-3 months.
    
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    March 19, 2018 6:35pm
- Chris R
  
  She never had the trust of the Nation. She was selected not elected.
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:14am
- burt
  
  One term Adern !
  
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  March 19, 2018 1:12pm
  - cmm
    
    One term? Naah, she’s not going to make one year.
    
    I can’t see her coming back from sprogging.
    
    Even more likely is that she bails early. After 7 months (mid April) an elderly primagravida needs to be getting lots of rest.
    
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    March 19, 2018 3:32pm
matchbox

Where’s Ali Mau? Where’s MetooNZ?

Fallen at the first hurdle it seems.

It is as good as a certainty that a 20-y-o man sexually assaulted four 16-year-olds a month ago. It is equally certain that the perpetrator has been identified to those who matter.

The 16-year-olds complained about the assaults next day, and by a month later, literally nothing had been done.

When that nothing got publicly revealed, only a bunch of excuses ensued; excuses from all and sundry all the way up to our Prime Minister. But not just any Prime Minister, by our female Prime Minister, FGS.

What’s the story, Ali Mau? What’s the story MetooNZ? What’s the story Jacinda (Ja-sin-da)?

Is it really MetooexceptwhentheLabourPartyisimplicatedNZ?

Ali Mau, you are a waste of space. MetooNZ, you are a fraud. Ja-sin-da, it took you all of four months to execute corruption.

New Zealand, Kiwibloggers, do not tolerate this utterly disgraceful and politically-corrupt minimisation of sexual crime.

No other male in New Zealand known to have four-times placed a hand down the pants of 16-year-olds, would get such criminal leniency. Our female Prime Minister would have been seething about any other male having committed similar crimes. Our fraud of a female PM is leading the hushing up of these sexual crimes. This is nothing less than “impeachable” conduct from a PM.

Can you imagine if Trump did the same. If this happened in America, then not just Democrats; ALL Americans would want Trump impeached.

Don’t let Ardern’s Third World Army get away with such Third World corruption.

This story has just begun. It must end with the corrupt Ardern’s removal from office.
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March 19, 2018 8:06am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy who pledged in her electioneering “zero suicides”.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  It’s happened in Britain too , again .
  
  “The very same newspapers that covered, at length and over many days, news that Kate Maltby’s knee may or may not have been touched by Damian Green or that Michael Fallon attempted to kiss Jane Merrick, were unable to muster up the same level of outrage for young women in Telford.
  
  The lack of comment on the Telford abuse scandal exposes the hypocrisy at the heart of the #MeToo movement.”
  
  http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/telford-girls-the-wrong-kind-of-victims/21217#.Wq7FguhubIU
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:02am
- kowtow
  
  And talking of missing in action and world media hyper outrage ……
  
  Where’s the commentary on 16 drowned illegal immigrants , virtual silence , yet if it were a shooting in the US…….
  
  http://www.euronews.com/2018/03/17/migrants-drown-off-greek-island
  
  The funny thing is the Turkish navy can blockade an EU member Cyprus over oil exploration but won’t deploy its navy to prevent fellow Muslims drowning. Of course it won’t , it’s happy to see Europe invaded.
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:06am
  - DigNap15
    
    Its a shame it was only 16.
    Time to tow them all back
    Sink them
    Give them the message that this is Europe and its ours
    Stay in your own country (shithole)
    
    I think they sink the boats on purpose so that they will get picked up
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:57am
    - fernglas
      
      Is Europe yours? I thought you were a member of one of the two indigenous races in this country.
      
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      March 19, 2018 3:11pm
- lilman
  
  Said Yesterday.
  
  If this sexual predator is out there and he molests or attacks my daughter,ONLY JACINDA and Labour are to blame as they new this happened and never told police.
  To knowingly fail to report a crime is a crime.
  
  Lawsuit pending ?
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:08am
- Longknives
  
  Ali Mau has egg all over her smug face.
  Even Chris Trotter and HDPA have admitted publicly how untidy this is and that Labour has made a mess for itself.
  Mau mentioned it only briefly on her Twitter- Something about being ‘Too busy to deal with men wearing Tinfoil Hats’..
  How utterly appalling – From a person who so loudly appointed herself our #MeToo saviour…
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:38am
  - lifesgood
    
    Ali Mau, likes it both ways, doesn’t she?
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:59am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Yes. Although she belongs in the ‘muff diving rug muncher’ camp. That’s how her lefty mate, the tattooed to hell and back (the new face of Seven Sharp) so eloquently describes her own preferences. So, why would I ever take any notice of these bimbos? They like to make lots of noise……
      
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      March 19, 2018 1:35pm
  - noskire
    
    Chairman Mau.
    
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    March 19, 2018 2:47pm
- KKKKatee
  
  And a ‘house for all’. No more child poverdy. What else did she bullshit the gullible and easily led on? Oh that’s right ‘no strikes On my watch’. Mmmm. For a Mormon and the daughter of a policeman, she sure has form when it comes to lying. In fact, she was fudging her rhetoric all throughout the election campaign. Couldn’t give a straight answer to a perfectly straightforward question.
  
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  March 19, 2018 1:10pm
  - burt
    
    Don’t forget removing abortion from the crimes act and immediate changes for medical cannabis.
    
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    March 19, 2018 1:20pm
- freethinker
  
  Clearly the identify of the alleged sex offender is known to Toothy, the Labour Party and media so why is he not being public ally identified , just wonder if he related or associated with some one of importance in Labour -perhaps a Ministers or senior MPs relative – just asking.
  
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  March 19, 2018 1:31pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    Labour are no better than the Kahui family and, indeed, the current family of the 4 month old baby hospitalised with 16 fractures. A cone of silence prevails, protecting their own. Meh! Who gives a shit about the victims? So, what’s happened to the promises of transparency and relentless positivity promised by Ardern?
    #cantdothis #wontdothis
    
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    March 19, 2018 2:13pm
- Duxton
  
  So, matchbox, shall I put you down as ‘Undecided’?
  
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  March 19, 2018 2:34pm
KiWombat

Remember this from the first leader’s debate last year ?

Hosking: Will you go back to seeing national strikes in an industry?
Ardern: No. No we will not
Hosking: And that’s a rock solid guarantee?
Ardern: Yes – No we will not – – – it’s not what’s going to happen on my watch !

So lets have a look at how those promises have panned out:-

Strike 1 – November – Wellington Trains
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99380361/more-strike-action-planned-for-friday-means-no-train-services-again

Strike 2 – January – Silver Fern Farms
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/country/347269/silver-fern-farm-s-takapau-plant-won-t-close-due-to-strike

Strike 3 – February – Auckland Trains
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/auckland/prepare-for-march-madness-train-services-disrupted/

Strike 4 – March – Lyttleton Port
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2018/03/lyttelton-port-strike-begins-after-failed-negotiations.html

And of course – the pending Strike 5 – anytime? – Auckland Buses
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/101879559/bus-driver-strike-looms-in-auckland

Its starting to look like those promises really aren’t worth the paper they were written on. What happened to the 3 strikes policy – can we apply it here ?

Even if we extended that to 23 strikes, it won’t be long until the referee calls out !

Looking like a long and bumpy ride ahead !
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March 19, 2018 8:06am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Plus pending strike 6 – nurses and midwives.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:10am
  - Evadne
    
    Plus the teachers, who have stated they’ll strike for a 14.5% payrise.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:40am
  - KevOB
    
    This is getting like the old days. Labour was thrown out then because the people were fed up with strikes. We are not all pommie workers who down tools for solidarity.
    
    Keep it up Labour: you lost 30 years of goodwill previously when we took on the wharfies.
    
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    March 19, 2018 1:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Nurses, midwives and healthcare assistants preparing for strike action.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/102356706/kiwi-nurses-and-midwives-ready-to-reject-pay-deal
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:11am
- RalphT
  
  Yes, we are seeing more strikes than we did under National (and no doubt will see more now that the unions have seen that they can flex their muscles), but I suspect our dear leader will weasel out of this by saying that her statement referred to national strikes and these are all local ones. But, the thin end of the wedge.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:11am
  - KiWombat
    
    When you have commuter train strikes in both Auckland and Wellington its pretty much a national strike anyway !
    
    Doesn’t leave many commuters unaffected – does it ?
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:20am
  - RF
    
    I know the Police Union is waiting to see if the other groups receive baubles.
    
    They believe they have waited long enough and it’s their turn now so look out if they are not treated well.
    
    Sweet cheeks Grant had better get those money printing presses fired up.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:55am
- kevn
  
  @KiWom… How many strikes under 9 years of National? My recollection is none, zero.
  Coalition of Liars.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:17am
  - KiWombat
    
    Nada
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:39am
    - Evadne
      
      Actually, some of the Auckland bus drivers went on strike in 2016. And the Ports of Auckland had a big one in about ?2012.
      
      The difference is National governments resist them; Labour governments encourage them.
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:42am
- mikenmild
  
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  None of those are national strikes. If all nurses, midwives and healthcare assistants go out as threatened, that would be the first, I believe. So that would be some form of pressure on the Minister of Health to ensure a satisfactory settlement.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:25am
- itstricky
  
  Hosking: Will you go back to seeing national strikes in an industry?
  Ardern: No. No we will not
  Hosking: And that’s a rock solid guarantee?
  Ardern: Yes – No we will not – – – it’s not what’s going to happen on my watch !
  
  Another one with a failing memory who only remembers and repeats the bits they want to.
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:24am
  - mikenmild
    
    Quote mining is always popular.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:45am
    - john1234
      
      It is good, isn’t it? Holding people to account for what they’ve said and promised?
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:54am
      - itstricky
        
        Holding people to account for what they’ve said and promised?
        
        Holding people to account for what you thought they‘d said and what you thought they’d promised?
        
        Doesn’t quite have the same pizzazz.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:07am
      - Herodotus
        
        It happens by both sides. We as voters and NZ citizens have been very poorly treated by our elected leaders.
        National did us a huge disservice with their lack lustre 3rd term, and now look at what we have !!!!
        Remember JK war on drugs commitment to Paul Holmes, and now “P” is more prevalent in society than ever before.
        Housing crisis JK and BE no, SB and JC yes.
        We needed a change hopefully after the Nats learning the lesson, the country has not gone back too far.
        
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        March 19, 2018 12:20pm
  - itstricky
    
    Something tells me more than a dozen people misread that.
    
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    March 19, 2018 1:46pm
- doggone7
  
  If something happens with Auckland buses is that a national strike in an industry?
  
  If something happens with Lyttelton Port is that a national strike in an industry?
  
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  March 19, 2018 11:36am
- freethinker
  
  Nurses may be next.
  
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  March 19, 2018 1:33pm
Lee C

Has Jacinda Ardern lost the trust of the nation?
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March 19, 2018 8:07am
- MT_Tinman
  
  No.
  
  It only ever had the trust of a minority of NZers.
  
  Of course, by now it should have lost even that.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:15am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    The NZ economy is in good shape relative to many others. The Auckland skyline shows many cranes on numerous construction projects. Housing prices are at an all-time high and people are feeling wealthy. Times are good.
    The last recession was over a generation ago, in the late 1980s. No Chinese younger than 60 has ever known bad times as an adult. This is the party that just keeps on going.
    These good times mean that it will take a while for the coalition government’s management effects to be felt by the population. There is at least a couple of years of lag.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:27am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      That’s a great indicator of the sensible and responsible economic stewardship of the last government, isn’t it! How sad that the opportunity to complete this economic prosperity as the GFC winds down has been lost due to the malicious self centredness of the leader of a 7 percent party who has lost his seat three times!
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:37am
      - KiWombat
        
        – – – and been thrown out of two coalitions as well ?
        
        Surely must qualify as the BIGGEST LOSER !
        
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        March 19, 2018 8:48am
    - dime
      
      “The last recession was over a generation ago, in the late 1980s.”
      
      2007 wasnt much fun!
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:10am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Insert Crocodile Dundee meme…
        
        “That’s not a recession…
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:10am
    - Flash
      
      I saw a crane in Pahiatua a month or so back. It was gone by lunchtime.
      Even the provinces were feeling the Good Times.
      
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      March 19, 2018 11:44am
- igm
  
  She never had the trust of the nation . . . she is a fraud and selected, not elected! Like the hump in her front, she is illegitimate not legitimate.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:39am
  - mikenmild
    
    Never got over being born a bastard yourself, did you? Never mind old fruit, there is no stigma these day.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:15am
    - igm
      
      I am no bastard, and definitely not a fruit, that being reserved for the filth in Labour.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:30am
      - mikenmild
        
        ‘Old fruit’ is a term of endearment that I thought would be welcome by an extremely aged windbag such as yourself.
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:48am
      - starboard
        
        Try not being a prick all of your life mm.. Kick back, take a day off…
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:19am
      - kowtow
        
        starboard
        
        MM take a day off?
        
        Geradafit !
        
        He’s a publy servant , everyday’s a day off , especially judging by the amount of trolling he does here , on our dime.
        
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        March 19, 2018 1:00pm
      - igm
        
        milkwimp: I am not particularly aged, nor a windbag. I, unlike you, have been self-employed most of my life, paying taxes and all the other excessive compliance costs that keep arseholes such as you in bludging public service positions. I take these comments extremely seriously when they come from a known wimp, and a gutless piece of s . . t who hides behind protection of a union to keep his oversalaried employment.
        
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        March 20, 2018 11:06am
Pete George

Jacinda Ardern sounded refreshingly open and honest when she took over the Labour leadership. She pledged to be relentlessly positive.

But gradually she has become far more practiced in avoiding saying anything of substance, especially when faced with difficult issues. She is now often absolutely positively vague.

Was it Russia?

Corin, I’ve been very clear in avoiding saying it was Russia.

But that doesn’t…will you actually say that Russia is responsible?

We are in exactly the same position as our allies, we stood up in the Hague and avoided saying it was Russia. We have been clear in our statements on this that we’re avoiding saying it was Russia. We’ve made sure the UK is clear on our position as well that we’re avoiding saying it was Russia.

Will you consider sanctions?

That’s something that we’re avoiding saying.

You said that Values were going to be a driving force in how you make your decisions. Why’d you put Russia in the coalition agreement?

We’re still going to obey the letter of the sanctions. We can just work around them.

The point is that that’s not the same as taking a principled stand. The Nats wanted an FTA – it didn’t want to put it on hold but it did, because of the whole principled stand and Values thing. You on the other hand agreed in the coalition agreement to put it back on the table.

I have to correct you there. They put the FTA on ice and applied travel sanctions but there was still trade. No-one has said that we would not apply the sanctions, but we’ll do the still trading bit and put the FTA back in the oven. The coalition agreement says “striving towards”. Here this means we’re sort-of not really maybe reheating it. Because we stand alongside our partners.

So you’re not saying they’re completely off the table? Or maybe you are saying that?

Right now, I’m avoiding saying either way. Or both ways.

Winston’s staying all sorts of stuff that’s completely out of sync with you lot.

I would dispute that. The language has all involved double meanings so we can interpret it in a way that suits us and the Values we work around. Rather like the phrase “flying Emirates”. We have all consistently avoided saying Russia did it.

Winston’s been less hinty that it was the Russians than you.

At this point I would like to hint some more, without actually saying the Russians did it. That’s a simple statement of fact.

(edited)

https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/8594mh/full_interview_prime_minister_jacinda_ardern_sits/
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March 19, 2018 8:08am
- Pete George
  
  Actually in the news from RNZ: NZ govt considers further measures against Russia
  
  The Prime Minister isn’t ruling out further measures against Russia over the UK nerve agent attack, including the expulsion of diplomats, after the government halted all efforts to restart trade talks.
  
  Asked if New Zealand might follow Britain and expel staff from Russia’s embassy in Wellington, Jacinda Ardern also said she could not rule further actions in or out.
  
  “We’re keeping in close contact with our partners in this situation as further evidence comes to light.
  
  “We’re now assessing what further evidence is coming to light and making sure that we’re being responsive which is why we’re looking at making further statements.”
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/352731/nz-govt-considers-further-measures-against-russia
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:10am
- RalphT
  
  I’m getting a headache just reading that exchange. How to say nothing while hogging the limelight.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:14am
- KiWombat
  
  Corin should have hammered home with:-
  
  “What will you do ?” Not what won’t you do or what won’t you say or what you want to talk about – but “What WILL you do ?”
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:18am
  - igm
    
    Corin is a Labour sycophant, not unlike Soper, in fact most of MSM.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:42am
    - mikenmild
      
      You should start your own newspaper, igm, and shows the bastards up.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:19am
    - DigNap15
      
      He was getting a bit tough on her.
      He kept coming back to the same qeustion
      Ad she kept avoiding it.
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:00am
    - RF
      
      Yep. It was embarrassing watching Corin apologising to her for having to repeat “soft questions” that she was avoiding answering.
      
      As long as MSM gives her a free ride she will be sitting on the throne. Soon she will be untouchable when the child arrives.
      
      If Jethro had any scrupulous he would make her an honest women before the baby is born otherwise it will just be tagged with the appropriate name.
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:11am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Pete George
  
  I think it is a bit silly for you (usually regarded as a pedant for sticking to facts) to try and pretend that she has said things that she hasn’t. Especially on an issue like this.
  
  I am certain she did not say “Corin, I’ve been very clear in avoiding saying it was Russia”. In fact on Q&A she said it could only have been Russia.
  
  Her difficulty is that she had to clean up after Winston. Hopefully they have both learnt on issues 0f this importance that NZ has to have a very clear message from the start.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:32am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Her difficulty is that she had to clean up after Winston.
    
    That speaks volumes, doesn’t it?
    A PM who is slow on the uptake.
    A deputy PM who is so off message that he is a loose cannon.
    Where were the MINDERS?
    Crikey, where will it all end?
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:41am
    - mikenmild
      
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      Which way do you want it Maggy? Do you want to criticise her for having minders (power behind the throne, etc). or criticise her for not having minders (too naïve to seek advice, etc)?
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:47am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @MM
        Every political party needs astute folks within with their finger on the pulse who can warn/inform the pollies.
        
        Didn’t you study Yes, Minister and Yes, Prime Minister?
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:39am
      - mikenmild
        
        Watch yes; study no.
        TV programmes never capture the essentially humdrum nature of occupations.
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:49am
    - VicParking
      
      They both have minders. Winstons mind his bottle of Whiskey, Jancindas mind the “Labour executive and Unions’ interest”.
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:59am
  - KiWombat
    
    My recollection is the same as yours Wayne.
    
    How many times did Corrin ask the question about Russia, and how many times did she respond with a fluffy that did not answer the question ?
    
    If Corrin has to contend with that again, his head of hair will begin to look like yours !
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:45am
  - kowtow
    
    The Brits don’t know exactly who or how.
    
    I find it most instructive that May and practically the whole Establishment are so quick and loud off the mark on this Russia business when there’s some really pressing issues at home , created by the very same political class.
    
    Sir Humphrey Appleby would be proud of the distraction.
    
    “So when this weekend’s Sunday Mirror revealed the shocking abuse experienced by hundreds of women and girls in Telford we might have expected the outrage to find a new focus. The news that girls, some as young as 11, were drugged, beaten and raped by gangs of mainly Muslim, Asian-heritage men could have provided further fuel to campaigners. We might have expected shows of solidarity, reminders of the importance of believing the victim, and offers of financial support.
    
    But no. The abuse in Telford is estimated to have involved over 1,000 girls stretching over 40 years. Young girls in the town were groomed, fed drugs and raped. They were passed between abusers like commodities. Some got pregnant, had abortions and were raped again on multiple occasions. Three women were murdered and two others died in tragedies linked to the abuse. Yet these shocking events have received relatively little coverage. Girls in Telford do not, it seems, deserve frontpage coverage in the Guardian or The Times.”
    
    http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/telford-girls-the-wrong-kind-of-victims/21217#.Wq7FguhubIU
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:13am
- Evadne
  
  Is that a spoof? A John Clarke sketch?
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:46am
  - niggly
    
    I was wondering too whether that was satire or unfortunately real life imitating satire?!!!
    
    Sadly, with Jacinda, it’s hard to tell!
    
    Come to think about it, sadly, the same could be said of Winston!
    
    Are we (NZ) f***ed … or are we actually, um, well and truly f***ed?!!!
    
    No wonder Winston used to imitate the Russians and drink himself to oblivion – we may as well do so too at this rate!
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:05am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Was her reference to “flying Emirates” a Freudian slip on Ardern’s part, given the stories that are currently doing the rounds?
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:06am
  - mikenmild
    
    What stories are those?
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:20am
    - itstricky
      
      We all know KS is a staunch defender of women and their pride. That must be some sort of mistake, or someone else posting as him.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:28am
      - mikenmild
        
        I would be very surprised if such a stern opponent of scurrilous gossip would even listen to ‘stories…doing the rounds’, much less hint at their credence on such a widely respected forum as Kiwiblog.
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:52am
    - john1234
      
      Sounds like you’ve heard something and you know what stories, mikenmild.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:58am
      - mikenmild
        
        Only what I have read here, which is scarcely a reliable source. What do you make of it?
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:12am
      - freethinker
        
        Just wonder if Gaylord has flown with Emirates recently.
        
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        March 19, 2018 1:58pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Idiot. Everyone knows. This just shows how dumb and cloistered you are.
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:05am
      - itstricky
        
        Your insult is ‘everyone knows’?
        
        And how does ‘dumb’ and ‘idiot’ follow on? Some of the dumbest people I know are the biggest gossipers.
        
        Seems like you’re trying very hard to get heavy this morning and you’ve come off sounding like a thirteen year old girl.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:39am
    - noskire
      
      It is not a story. It is a rumour that has been circulating for the last few weeks that Gaylord Focker has been screwing a (previously employed at) Emirates trolley dolly.
      
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      March 19, 2018 7:18pm
- Harkman
  
  “gradually she has become far more practiced in avoiding saying anything of substance,”
  
  Yep, I can’t recall her answering anything and her big act now is trying to sound serious, something that no one actually believes.
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:23am
  - Peter
    
    It’s quite obvious when she’s uncomfortable – which seems to be a lot of the time these days.
    
    Key and Clark were masters. Key more so than Clark, as he typically managed to look in control without looking stern.
    
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    March 19, 2018 11:54am
- KevOB
  
  So why are weasel words from the Brits acceptable even for consideration? If it’s not Russia where is the justification for expulsions? It might be–so they’ve goto go. (They didn’t tell me the Porton was selling it to IS did they.)
  
  Why does the PM accede to Brit requests and not the Aussie.
  
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  March 19, 2018 1:14pm
- noskire
  
  Quite telling @10:15 in the interview that JA refers to herself as leader of the Labour Party, then quickly corrects herself as A leader within the Labour Party.
  
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  March 19, 2018 3:15pm
Monique Watson

Let’s Kick the Tires and Light the Fires Big Daddy.
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March 19, 2018 8:09am
- Lance
  
  But it’s not July yet?
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:16am
  - mikenmild
    
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    Monique is always drunk at this time – she is in California, I believe.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:26am
    - fernglas
      
      Evidence for which is that she can’t spell “tyres”
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:44am
      - Ed Snack
        
        US standard usage is “tires”. Try to be a little less condescending maybe ?
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:49am
      - Kimbo
        
        The British and the Americans are peoples separated by a common language. ?
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:06am
    - flipper
      
      Better to be “drunk in California” than a pisshead in Fraser House. Back to your hutch milkybar rabbit!
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:19am
      - mikenmild
        
        Even your deteriorating brain should be able to recollect that that the Milky Bar kid was not a rabbit.
        Are you getting a bit nervous wondering whether your family will care enough to have the Easter Bunny bring you a chocolate egg to the nursing home?
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:23am
    - RF
      
      mikenmild.
      
      Watching your posts is like watching a game of tennis.
      
      How do you keep up with the numerous responses.
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:19am
hullkiwi

Seems Goofy, his party mates/advisors & Winnie the Poo have got a problem. It appears with the help of Council officers that worked at obstructing a RNZ LGOIMA asking for the release of a report into moving the vehicle import business away from Auckland. No surprises, the report concluded that it was not a good idea to move this activity to Whangarei etc.

The crux of the problem the report is contrary to Goofy’s stance & they sat on the report at the time of last year’s election.
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March 19, 2018 8:13am
- Tarquin North
  
  Up here in northland the rumors are rife we will become the countries biggest car yard very soon. Mind you, with the amount of cheap flat land Northport / Marsden Maritime own they would be mad not to shift.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:40am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Just a little wrinkle in that grand plan.
    
    …the railway line between Auckland & Whangarei.
    
    It is well known that for it to carry the volumes of freight traffic talked about, it needs upgrading. The condition of the line is so poor that NZTA/KiwiRail have removed the certification for the line to carry passengers north of Helensville (I found out a couple of weeks ago researching the use of the Silver Fern on the line). Reality the cost to upgrade the line will cost (current estimates) $1billion. I suppose it could be a use for Jones slush fund.
    
    Re. Northport v Auckland, they only have to look at history between Auck & Whangarei to find that the rail line was never favoured by businessmen between the two centres because of cost. When the line was opened it was found it was cheaper for a business to send goods to Auckland via Sydney. Says it all really, to think Bolger made Peters Treasurer.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:56am
    - mikenmild
      
      We could use a man like Bolger in charge today. Nats would never have lost in ’99 with him in the PM’s chair.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:24am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Mikey you keep repeating that to yourself & you might even believe it too one day. Fact is, Bolger’s best day as leader of the National Party was election day 1990, and then it was downhill thereafter for everybody.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:02am
    - Tarquin North
      
      As a manager from Northport said, the UK is a similar size to NZ with a far more forgiving terain and 65 million people. They can’t make rail freight work so what are our chances? He reckons sort the road out first and rail – if it comes is about 35 years away.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:32am
      - hullkiwi
        
        He is right. The road network is the only solution for NZ.
        
        I’ve always said the UK & Ireland are circa the same size as NZ with 70mill v 4.5mill people & we delude ourselves that we what to do everything a G7 country does. Yet we’re half a world away from our original trading partners.
        
        As for UK rail, we do not want to copy their funding model – it is a way of laundering money from taxpayers/ratepayers into the pockets of the shareholders of the operating companies. A con job that only the vested interests of the City of London could concoct & then convince the politicians that it is an efficient model.
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:57am
      - mikenmild
        
        That being said, there is a case for maintaining the existing rail network. Not extending it, but continuing upgrades where it make sense for moving bulk cargo, metro passengers and tourist routes.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:05am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      More like $250 million, and that includes extending to Marsden pint. The issue has been previously evaluated as costing about that. Basically the current route works. The track needs reballasting and relaying. Some tunnels need daylighting and the major tunnels needs the base lowered a bit. Some corners could be eased. Because rail is so narrow it does not require the level of civil engineering works as a major road requires.
      
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      March 19, 2018 11:34am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Wayne, with no disrepect to youself, but at a guess your figure of $250mill is an out of date number, or was just throwing ballast at the line & little else. A casual glance of the internet shows:
        1. Dave Gordon (Asset Manager KiwiRail) when addressing a Forum Northland seminar (4 Apr 2016) that the cost of getting the rail operational was somewhere between $700 to $1bill – this would depend on what is done. The amount of $240mill was the amount to get the line to the same standard as Hamilton to Tauranga. Reported on Stuff 6/04/2016
        
        Then as per RNZ, Shane Jones is reported on 27/10/2017, that the upgrade cost was $600 mill plus $200mill for the 20km link to Northport.
        
        I know that as of September 2017 the certification to carry passengers on the line was removed by KiwiRail & NZTA because it was deemed not safe enough.
        
        The cost price to lay track on available land is circa $1mill per km (current prices) excluding tunnels, bridges & signalling. I am told significant work is required right along the line in terms of ballast, bridges and tunnels. New signalling systems are also a nightmare because they need to be compliant with systems used in Auckland with the commuter trains.
        
        Electrification of the line shouldn’t be considered, because the cost would be prohibitive.
        
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        March 19, 2018 12:31pm
- Paulus
  
  Tauranga has seen for the first time about say six/eight weeks ago the usual Auckland car carrier in port and car transporters abound.
  This is new as far as I can see having lived here for some years.
  
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  March 19, 2018 10:56am
waikatogirl

The whanau of the 4-month-old baby admitted to hospital last month with 16 fractures including broken ribs, cracked skull etc, are taking their right of silence and closed ranks. They are refusing to point the finger at the scum-bag coward responsible for this disgraceful crime.

All vulnerable members of society require special care for their protection but there is no member of our society that is more vulnerable than a very young tiny baby and this one has suffered since her birth with old injuries showing up once admitted to hospital. She is only 16 weeks old! The law needs to be changed so these cowards in these feral families must be held to account.
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March 19, 2018 8:18am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Maybe all the media attention heaped on the Kahui family a couple of years ago has given this whanau some lessons and strategies.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:23am
  - waikatogirl
    
    That’s exactly what happened O-s. These feral families might be dumb but when it comes to rat cunning there is nothing like those who live on the edge dodging the law. Makes all those staying silent to protect the yellow coward just as responsible.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:33am
    - igm
      
      The age-old adages: Cunning as a S . . t House Rat, Cunning as a M . . . i Dog, definitely rings true again.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:03am
      - Northland Wahine
        
        Igm, in this case, I think it’s unlikely to be a M…i dog, as you so cowardly put it. (if you’re gonna use this as an excuse to express your rage, just type the word Maori ffs).
        
        Buggar all Maori reside in Howick. However, more than willing to apologise if incorrect.
        
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        March 19, 2018 1:27pm
      - starboard
        
        It will be a Maori or PI offender. It always is in these situations. They have form when it comes to beating and killing their children. It’s fucking disgusting. You are deluded NW if you think otherwise.
        
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        March 19, 2018 8:02pm
      - Northland Wahine
        
        Starboard, I currently care for 2 children of pakeha Asian descent. The mental, physical and emotional scars these kids bare were not done by any PI or Maori. They both were concerned about being placed into care with a Maori family. The boy repeatedly called kids at his school, nigger, black cunts and coconuts all of last year and I spent a lot of time collecting him from school.
        
        Had them now for nearly 10 months and the 12 yr old boy is just learning now to sleep with light off and no longer shits his pants. The girl who is only 9 no longer searches beastiality porn as she realises that this is not normal behaviour. Both are playing sports, getting counselling, and may one day be productive young adults.
        
        So starboard, sorry to disappoint you. Not all abused and beaten kids are PI and Maori. Shit parents know no ethnic boundaries.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:08pm
    - john1234
      
      There are post-Kahui laws relating to not protecting children. The parents of this one could be in deep legal trouble regardless of whether they actually dealt the blows.
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:01am
  - lilman
    
    I would say its a victim led position being followed,the victim hasnt complained to police so it has to have its rights respected.
    There can be no investigation as experts have said the best practice is to respect the victim until the victim decides to take this further.
    
    Taking the piss,just like this shit family,pity its at the expense of a baby who deserves justice and actual respect.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:17am
- KiWombat
  
  They should be jointly charged and jointly held responsible !
  
  This was no accident !
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:24am
  - KevOB
    
    The parents have the primary duty of care. Criminal neglect? If they knowingly protect the miscreant they should bear the consequences.
    
    Is the protection of an infant a necessity of an infants’ life?
    
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    March 19, 2018 2:36pm
- Happychappy
  
  Surely this hasn’t happened undèr Labour’s watch.Labour is a Party that cares for their people and just like poverty they say their policy will stop this happening where National was all about changing the name instead of the safety of these children.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:29am
- Inandout
  
  In the UK, and if it involved a certain section of society, you would be charged with ‘hate speech’ by questioning this cone of silence. Cindy would love to close down discussion on this embarrassment for the government, this breeding for a benefit.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:37am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If you go down the track of punishments for nothing more than saying you don’t know anything, there’s a big risk of innocent people being convicted and not just in cases like this.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:50am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Why does the law need to be changed? The parent or parents could and should be charged with not providing the necessaries of life. I think they would likely be convicted.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:55am
- kowtow
  
  Funny how the media and other haters are so quick and persistent in attacking the likes of the Exclusive Brethren for “closing ranks” but when it comes to certain other “identifiable minorities” , well not so much……
  
  # hypocrites
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:28am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    How about the Labour Party closing ranks on who the 20-year-old is.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:44am
    - Paulus
      
      Because he is believed to be a Labour Party employee.
      
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      March 19, 2018 11:02am
      - noskire
        
        And assuming that the age of the perp is 20. That’s what Labour has told us, so it has to be fact, doesn’t it?
        
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        March 19, 2018 3:21pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        How many 20 year olds are in positions senior enough that they are protected from media scruitiny? Anyone else would be thrown to the media wolves. I’m picking he/she/it is a close family member belonging to a Liarbor Pardy member.
        
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- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Can someone please assure me that there are no other people under the age of 16 in that household that the oranga-otans have not been and picked up?
  
  Anyone who has visited that house in the last 16 weeks should have their children removed to safety until the perpetrator of this heinous act of gutlessness is identified and charged.
  
  Then can someone please assure me that benefits have been immediately adjusted for the children no longer being cared for by the suspects?
  
  These ferals may not understand common decency, but they sure know when they don’t get enough benny.
  
  Its about time we protected children with the full force of the law. Note: force and law.
  
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    Shaun the Sheep , as you must know a police investigation is underway with both the full force and due process of law .
    
    Two vital ingredients to ensure a successful prosecution and fair trial for those accused and charged .
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:33am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Your point being?
      
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- burt
  
  The whanau of the 4-month-old baby admitted to hospital last month with 16 fractures including broken ribs, cracked skull etc, are taking their right of silence and closed ranks.
  
  Perhaps it’s important to note here that the scum who did this is not a member of Young Labour so we don’t need to do anything about it.
  
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  March 19, 2018 1:01pm
Odakyu-sen

Carry-over from yesterday.

Maggy commented: “Perhaps you would like to explain to the gaijin how to determine if it is a slab of kouya dofu (高野豆腐）or a Wettex sponge in your bowl of soup.”

Good question. The Wettex sponge will be thinner and more brightly colored than the kouya dofa (which will typically be a pale brown and a couple of cm thick).
Apart from that, there is very little to tell them apart. (The latter is a little easier to chew and swallow).

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Hugh Pavletich

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AUCKLAND … DAISY (NO PARKS) DENSE DEVELOPMENT: AN INSULT TO HOUSING AFFORDABILITY & POVERTY ALLEVIATION …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/links-19-march-2018/#comment-3071109
… and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/links-19-march-2018/#comment-3071111

… BROADCASTER MIKE HOSKING THRASHES ‘ANTI CAR’ PLANNERS IDIOTS IN THE NEW ZEALAND HERALD (WHO IS REPORTING ON THE CENTRAL CHRISTCHURCH ‘ANTI – CAR’ FIASCO TOO ?) …

Mike Hosking: Memo, council planners – get your hands off my car – NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12012602
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… ARE NEW ZEALAND URBAN PLANNERS JUST REPEATING THE MISTAKES OF THE BRITISH DECADES AGO ? …

Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4
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NOT SURPRISINGLY … NOW THIS … $NZ 530,000 FOR THIS IN 8.8 MEDIAN MULTIPLE AUCKLAND …

The Daisy apartments: why did we do it? … Mark Todd … The Spinoff

https://thespinoff.co.nz/auckland/18-03-2018/the-daisy-apartments-why-did-we-do-it/

The team behind the Daisy apartment building respond to the fury it unleashed from Mike Hosking. …

… Price points for apartments in Daisy averaged $530K, just 60% of the current REINZ median house price in Auckland. Why? In large part, because each apartment did not come with a $100k private underground carpark hewn from volcanic basalt, unleashing another vehicle per apartment onto Auckland’s already crowded streets. … read more via hyperlink above …
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  … WHILE THE CURRENT MEDIAN PRICE IS $US 170,000 FOR TOWNHOUSE / CONDOMINIUMS IN 3.7 MEDIAN MULTIPLE HOUSTON …
  
  HOUSTON ASSOCIATION OF REALTORS – LATEST MONTHLY REPORT
  
  https://www.har.com/content/mls
  
  … extract …
  
  Townhouse/Condominium Update
  
  Sales of townhomes and condominiums tumbled 5.1 percent in February, with a total of 466 units sold. The average price rose 2.0 percent to $210,887 while the median price increased 4.6 percent to $170,000. Inventory declined slightly year-over-year from a 3.7-months supply to 3.6 months.
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  … ECONOMIST RODNEY DICKENS EXPLAINS WHY AFFORDABLE DENSE DEVELOPMENT IS HOPELESS WHILE AUCKLAND FRINGES REMAIN STRANGLED …
  
  Rodney Dickens says section prices are the key to solving the housing affordability problem, not higher density around transport hubs. He warns against force-feeding in areas that won’t deliver the intended outcome
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/92556/rodney-dickens-says-section-prices-are-key-solving-housing-affordability-problem-not
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  … WHICH IS WHY NEW ZEALANDS NEW LABOUR GOVERNMENT IS ABOLISHING URBAN LIMITS AND INTRODUCING BOND FINANCING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE …
  
  Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
  
  http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
  
  … extract …
  
  Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
  
  Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:25am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    … THE DAYS OF ESTABLISHMENT SCREWING UP HOUSING MARKETS APPEAR TO BE DRAWING TO A CLOSE …
    
    Royal Commission bombshells – great to watch, painful to receive … Sydney Morning Herald
    
    https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/royal-commission-bombshells-great-to-watch-painful-to-receive-20180316-p4z4py.html
    
    … extract …
    
    … It provides a small, but significant, glimpse, among others, of what is to come as the Hayne Commission swings into action.
    
    Despite having been conceived as a political sop to the National Party, after this week’s explosive public hearings, the banking sector is in no doubt: Hayne means business.
    
    After 73 separate inquiries into the finance sector in recent years, this is it. The big one. If this week is anything to go by, Australia’s banking behemoths – who oversee more than $1.6 trillion in household mortgage debt – will emerge radically reshaped as a result of this Commission’s findings. … read more via hyperlink above …
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    AUSTRALIA: ABC’s The Business does liar loans – MacroBusiness Australia
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/
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    Zoning regulations adding hundreds of thousands dollars to price of new houses: RBA – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
    
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-08/zoning-regulations-adding-fortune-to-land-prices/9527882
    
    Fancy handing over an extra $500,000 for your brand new house just because government regulations restrict the supply of land for property
    
    No? Too bad, because that is the effective tax extracted for the average new house-and-land package in Sydney due to the impact of zoning regulations.
    
    It’s not just Sydney. … read more via hyperlink above
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:36am
    - CHFR1
      
      Please stop spamming
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:44am
  - Happychappy
    
    So big head when is the first house going to be built and don ‘t reply they have as they were all built on Nationals plan. It’s easy to talk about what’s going to Happen but a lot harder to do the walk. You are a bitter twisted moron that finds trouble getting in the news so you come and shit all over this blog to get some attention.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:43am
    - KiWombat
      
      First KiwiBuild houses will be in Westport. They haven’t been built yet, but should start soon.
      
      Maybe we’ll see them towards the end of the year – 3 duplexes – so 6 dwellings.
      
      I understand government is looking at land at or near Meremere for the Auckland housing market – they have chosen to look in Waikato as they will save millions on council consent fees.
      
      Meremere is fairly close to South Auckland industrial areas too – but this won’t happen this year !
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:10am
- Harkman
  
  Hugh, somewhat boring mate.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:40am
  - Manolo
    
    Only “somewhat”?
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:42am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
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      THE DAYS OF HIGH MULTIPLE LENDING ARE OVER …
      
      While I’m no fan of KiwiBuild, Labour does not have a hope in hell of getting this off the ground WITHOUT abolishing urban limits and introducing bond financing for infrastructure.
      
      Currently, the economics are just hopeless.
      
      Do make a point of reading closely economist Rodney Dickens article for Interest Co NZ … link provided above.
      
      Do you guys really think bankers and their brokers are going to finance bubble property any more ?
      
      Remember the Irish experience ? …
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/#comment-3060351
      
      They will be terrified with Australia’s Banking Royal Commission … and all the gross incompetence and fraud that’s coming to light.
      
      The days of high multiple lending are over.
      
      That’s crystal clear.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:05am
    - Harkman
      
      I was being diplomatic Manolo mate.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:12am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        Is 9 years on the Opposition benches sufficient time for you Tories to learn anything ?
        
        Check out the GONE GONE GOING section of my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org if you are interested why you were thrown on the political scrap heat last September / October.
        
        Big question … are you going to misjudge the looming housing market changes too ?
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:28am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        NZ Herald editorial: Economy slowing on political uncertainty – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12015208
        
        The economy grew by a little less than expected in the last three months of 2017, the first full quarter under the new Government. The country’s gross domestic product (GDP) finished the year with 2.9 per cent growth, compared to the peak of 4 per cent growth recorded in 2016. Economists are expected the current quarter, nearly finished, will show a further slowing. They say “election-related uncertainty” has affected business spending.
        
        That is to be expected. Business investment will probably be cautious until the Government’s first Budget appears in May, which will indicate whether it has a grip on its spending and can preserve a surplus that underpins a strong currency and business confidence. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:48am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Why it’s finally time to ban mortgage broker commissions … The Age
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/links-19-march-2018/#comment-3071327
        
        Why it’s finally time to ban mortgage broker commissions … The Age
        
        https://www.theage.com.au/national/why-it-s-finally-time-to-ban-mortgage-broker-commissions-20180318-p4z4ws.html
        
        Something is rotten in Australia’s $1.6 trillion mortgage market. That is the inescapable conclusion of the explosive first week of hearings of the Turnbull government’s bank royal commission, which continue today.
        
        In painstaking and meticulous detail, the commission’s Senior Counsel Assisting, Rowena Orr, continues to lay out case study after case study of proven misconduct, including bribery, forgery, fraud, fudging of figures, unacceptable delays and other assorted misdemeanours visited upon consumers of bank products.
        
        The evidence is well and truly in that Australia’s once stately banking industry has been invaded by a toxic sales culture which has contributed to Australian households racking up some of the biggest debts in the developed world, and fuelling, in turn, higher house prices. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        LESSONS FROM RECENT HISTORY …. 2007…
        
        CALIFORNIA …
        
        Straight Talk on the Mortgage Mess from an Insider – Herb Greenberg – MarketWatch
        
        http://blogs.marketwatch.com/greenberg/2007/12/straight-talk-on-the-mortgage-mess-from-an-insider/
        
        … IRELAND …
        
        LEARNING FROM THE IRISH 2007 HOUSING CRASH … THE SEVERE COSTS OF MULTIPLE STRETCH …
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/#comment-3060351
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        There have been 13 Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys for the banking and broking sectors to ponder.
        
        No doubt bankers and brokers will be held to account before the Courts in due course.
        
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        March 19, 2018 12:57pm
Captain Mainwaring

Welcome to modern Sweden (apologies for reposting from Saturday).

http://allthatstreaming.com/media/ats/video/sweden-multi-cultural-utopia.mp4

I have been told by someone who claims to know, that in Sweden the media is controlled by the Government, and all this stuff is censored from the masses and the outside world.
Can anyone confirm this?
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- mikenmild
  
  I can’t confirm that. I can confirm the opposite with half a second of googling.
  https://freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/2016/sweden
  Do you know how to use Google?
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:29am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    I can confirm that over 2/3 of the Swedish MSM is controlled by the Bonnier Family who just so happen to be Jewish.
    
    They own 96 book publishers, 42 business and trade press newspapers, 105 digital news platforms, 9 film production companies, 176 magazines, 23 major newspapers, 33 TV stations, and 33 “other” media outlets.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnier_family
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:37am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Here is a good read on the gradual process on how Sweden through a concentrated Media campaign went from being a homogenous state to implementing laws that would ensure the Swedish natives would be reduced to a minority within a couple of generations:
      
      https://redice.tv/news/how-and-why-sweden-became-multicultural
      
      As late as 1965, the social democratic Prime Minister of Sweden Tage Erlander said: “We Swedes live in an infinitely luckier situation. Our country’s population is homogeneous, not only in terms of race, but also in many other respects.”
      
      The demographic transformation of Sweden did not just happen to happen. It was a direct result of political decisions, which in turn could be undertaken because of some actor’s conscious agenda and very active advocacy in the 1960s and 1970s. Earlier, Sweden had an approach towards immigrants and ethnic minorities that was based either on expulsion or assimilation.
      
      Immigrants who were ethnically and culturally closely related would assimilate while non-European immigrants, Gypsies and Sami would be excluded from the community. Now, however, suddenly a new approach prevailed: Sweden would become a pluralistic multicultural society and the multicultural paradigm would become the overall goal of Swedish culture, politics and society.
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:44am
    - mikenmild
      
      What would be your final solution for the Lügenpresse problem, EAdolf?
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:49am
    - dubya
      
      Good for the Bonniers, they must have worked very hard to build that kind of business.
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:55am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        You don’t get it do you dubya – that so significant a part of the media in Sweden is owned by non-Swedes is startling, and it is obviously disastrous for Swedes that all established media are against nationalism and the ethnic interests of Swedes.
        
        You need to get out of your left vs. right view of the world that the West has been taught to frame all debate within. Believe you me – everywhere else people look at the world through a natural tribal lens.
        
        http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/01/13/foreword-to-the-west-and-its-enemies/
        
        But why would it be in the interest of these Jews to try to destroy the West? Why would Jews have an interest in destroying the ethnic basis for the West? I think many of us find it difficult to embrace ideas that comprise “evil” or similar puerile, subjective judgments, and I think that the answer is much simpler than that.
        
        These groups are not driven primarily by malice or similar, although there obviously can be such elements for some persons too, but rather they are driven primarily of one or several versions of self-interest. A convincing hypothesis is that it is part of an ethnic self-defense, and, in some cases, the striving for revenge.
        
        If you believe that your people throughout history have been victims of injustice, persecutions and even attempt to outright extermination, and this belief has been strongly integrated into your ethnic identity — an identity that is extremely important for large percentages of your people, and if ethnically homogenous indigenous populations have been responsible for the persecutions, then it is very understandable that members of the group also have very strong incentives to try to undermine ethnic homogeneity of other nations. Also, some of them want to avenge what they see as historical injustices and defend themselves from the risk of being exposed to them again in the future. Another reason often given is that very motivated and ambitious individuals, who seek personal success and power, who want to become part of the ruling elite, must strive to break the ethnic homogeneity in White countries if they themselves are not part of the homogeneity. In practice they will also do that if they become successful as individuals. But even if it is understandable that the various enemies of the West are acting rationally from their own perspective, it does not make it somehow more acceptable, morally legitimate or desirable for Westerners to accept this. They are still attacking us. They are still our enemies.
        
        It is a fact that our common, objectively understandable interests are in conflict with other groups. Kevin MacDonald has done an outstanding job explaining the situation we are in, how the West was and is being led to its destruction. Only by knowing who we are — our group’s strengths and weaknesses, as well as knowing which groups oppose us and understanding their approaches and objectives — can we work as efficiently as possible for our common interests in a time when the power of other groups has grown devastatingly strong.
        
        It is supremely moral to work for the interests of the West, and utterly immoral to support those who want to harm them. The West is unique, our Western peoples and cultures are unique and important — not only for ourselves but also for global development. Not least of these reasons, it is so important that the information that Professor Kevin MacDonald conveys in this and other books is spread as widely as possible.
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:29am
      - mikenmild
        
        Why don’t you move to Sweden and hold a few torchlight rallies to highlight the dangers of a Jewish-owned press?
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:54am
    - stephieboy
      
      Within milliseconds EAD TWO implicates hits favourite ,
      
      Its gotta be the Jooz !
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:00am
    - Kimbo
      
      @EAD
      
      You don’t get it so you dubya – that so significant a part of the media in Sweden is owned by non-Swedes is startling
      
      He he he. According to your link, the Bonnier family are Swedes…of Jewish origin.
      
      Or are you already anticipating the day when retrospective racial purity laws will strip them of that status? Fair enough, you guys have practice.
      
      Yeah, yeah, I know, “the ((((communists)))) shout Nazi/fascist to shut down dissent”…but sometimes it really is that simple that you are…a Nazi. ?
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:19am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        The term “Nazi” used to describe anyone from the German National Socialist party in the 30’s and 40’s who opposed Communism in all its forms + was against a debt based monetary system.
        
        It’s modern usage, especially by the likes of Kimbo, has now come to mean anybody that points out any facts about Jews from what they say and do to their grossly disproportionate level of Media ownership.
        
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        March 19, 2018 8:48pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …and remove German citizenship rights from German-born Jews.
        
        …so to clarify, the Bonniers are going to be allowed to remain Swedish? ?
        
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        March 19, 2018 8:52pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “Do you know how to use Google?”
    
    Yes I do. Do you know how to hit yourself on the head with a hammer?
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:53am
    - mikenmild
      
      I have never tried that, but I would not expect anyone else to hit me in the head with a hammer should that be what I desired. You could simply thank me for providing you with the information you sought, and remember that Google is your friend too.
      Have a great day!
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:57am
      - softail 1450
        
        M M. there are a lot of people who would love to assist you with a hit on the head with a hammer you obsessed wanker.
        
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        March 20, 2018 6:24am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  In Sweden the problems are probably confined to the streets, the no-go areas and the non-productive sectors of the country.
  Once the immigrant crisis starts to affect people’s jobs and the operations of companies that generate tax revenue for the government, we may start to see some changes.
  The first (and most devastating) move the people can make is to simply stay home on Monday.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:32am
- noskire
  
  Looks a lot like Riccarton Road in Christchurch.
  
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  March 19, 2018 3:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why do these hard-working, law-abiding tax-payers have to live in fear of their lives every working day?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12014877

Is it because they are Asians?

Is it because their attackers are “Good kids” from a caring whanau?

Why can’t these dairy owners operate in a safe environment?

When did NZ stop giving a stuff about our working folk?
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March 19, 2018 8:36am
- calendar girl
  
  Why? Because NZ Governments have caused this crime-wave against dairy outlets by imposing on cigarettes – deliberately and consciously – an escalating, punitive and discriminatory tax. One that helps Governments to continue their quest of spending every dollar of taxation (and more) that they can get their hands on.
  
  Actions have consequences.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:46am
  - GoVege
    
    And National did it to suck up to the Morons Party, that represents the race/culture that produces the vast majority of the brutal and brutalized kids who beat up shopkeepers to steal the fags their leaders supposedly don’t want them to smoke….
    Surely the sensible solution is to let smokers have their fix at an affordable price.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:57am
    - Happychappy
      
      Go Vege their are white kids doing these robberys also but being a halfwit you will blame the coloured people and their ten to twelve neglected children for the problem.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:07am
      - GoVege
        
        Actually my unhappychappy, I know a white kid who knocked over a service station.
        He was one of only 6 kids but both parents worked and the kids ran a bit wild.
        The difference between most white and “coloured” kids is that the latter are mostly raised with excessive violence which means they are more likely to use violence when committing crimes.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:52am
  - kowtow
    
    All parties have helped create the crime wave.
    
    Going back to when they did away with the death penalty and introducing easy time for serious crime.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:22am
- waikatogirl
  
  Maggy, the real issue is that those who target the dairy owners dislike and have no respect for the Indian and Asian shop owners. Probably due that dairy owners are often new imports to NZ, or because they work hard but are seen to be making easy money. Sadly, it is acceptable in some groups to target dairy owners due to their difference.
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:20am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    No!
    
    You minimise the wrong by attributing it to a form of racism.
    
    It’s not.
    
    The problem is a very significant number of young people who have no respect for anyone or anything.
    
    The majority have been raised by non-responsible parents, never held responsible for any of their actions by family, community or law and are now raising their own offspring exactly the same way.
    
    Just as blaming the price of cigarettes is wrong so is blaming the race and recent immigrant status of dairy owners.
    
    The problem is far deeper than that and can only be fixed by removing the cause from society.
    
    This means making life so bloody tough for the now three generations of scum that it becomes easier to conform to the requirements of an honest society than blame everything else for their own laziness and inaction.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:44am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Probably hit the nail on the head Tinman. We watched many road rage incidents on U.Tube. Entitlement, anger and lack of self-control is rife and extremely scary among younger generations. Many have a total lack of respect for anyone else going about their daily lives without interference. Some literally believe it is their road, or in this case their right to hold up dairies.
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:05am
  - GoVege
    
    WG: Do you really think it’s that they dislike and don’t respect Asian shop-keepers?
    I reckon it’s that they see them as an easy target.
    If the shops were run by big burly Polynesians and Maori, I doubt if there would be so many being robbed.
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:57am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggy Wassilieff, nice of you not to hit the keyboards and blame the present government .
  
  But more importantly what are your solutions ?
  
  More Cigarette vending machines ?
  
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  March 19, 2018 10:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But more importantly what are your solutions ?
    I want to start by saying how seriously I consider this matter.
    However I want to take more time before making a decision on the issue.
    Clearly we have failed in our duty of care…
    We are very very distressed about this…
    I will happily convene a conversation about possible solutions and once I elect a chairperson to transcribe the contributed inputs to the conversation I will oversee the production of the outputs sometime in the near future.
    Clearly we will value each and everyones’ input to the conversation and let me say now your suggestion of more cigarette vending machines will not be overlooked. ~~I will be looking into buying shares in American Green~~
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/05/should-we-use-tobacco-tax-to-fund-cigarette-vending-machines-instead.html
    
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    March 19, 2018 5:25pm
    - Kimbo
      
      As per Jacinda Ardern’s response to Bill English’s experienced judgement when he was skeptical she could deliver on her policies:
      
      “Bill, I refuse to accept that!” ?
      
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      March 19, 2018 5:36pm
- noskire
  
  Maggy, it happened about the time JFK was shot. Western society has gone to hell in a hand-cart since.
  
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  March 19, 2018 7:25pm
Harkman

New word from the Just-Cindy lexicon,
Salisbury = Solesberry
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March 19, 2018 8:38am
- mandk
  
  Silly woman.
  Everyone knows Salisbury is pronounced Sarum.
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:04am
- waikatogirl
  
  And Cindy has started to use the word “indeed” in reply to questions.
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:24am
  - RF
    
    She attends classes every week to learn new words to dazzle us with.
    
    One day she will learn how to pronounce them correctly.
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:31am
- noskire
  
  Peter Gabriel – Solsbury Hill – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OO2PuGz-H8
  
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  March 19, 2018 7:27pm
Monique Watson

Yes I am in Cali Milken. But I’m not drunk. I’ve only had 38 beers for lunch.
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March 19, 2018 8:43am
- RalphT
  
  Wise decision. Other 40 and I think you have a drinking problem.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:51am
  - RalphT
    
    Over 40, dammit. Bloody auto correct.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:44am
- mikenmild
  
  Only about 11.30 isn’t it. Time for some harder stuff to help you sleep?
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:53am
Manolo

A lovely lady:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/nauerts-meteoric-rise-takes-state-department-surprise-121040252.html
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March 19, 2018 8:44am
- Harkman
  
  But does that mean she won’t be fronting the State Department’s press briefings? She is even better eye candy that Dana Perino was. She used to read the news on Fox at 10 PM nz time.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:50am
  - mikenmild
    
    It’s a bit like making Mike Hosking 2ic at MFAT.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:54am
    - Harkman
      
      So you find Hosko attractive mikenmild. You’re just turned on by his money and his Ferrari.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:18am
      - mikenmild
        
        I like how 7 Sharp replaced him with Jeremy Wells so that everyone would finally realise the show was always a piss-take.
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:26am
      - flipper
        
        Naaah …
        He is trying to get into his pants.
        Just another socialist kiddifucker !!!
        Like the one that chased another naked male from King’s house.
        Canberra’s Federal police will be on the look-out for a repeat, before declaring her persona non grata.
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:30am
      - mikenmild
        
        Based on your barely suppressed rage, I suspect you are the kiddyfucker, or at least were sexually abused by one in your younger days. Who touched you in a bad place, flipper?
        
        [DPF: So far over the line it is not funny. Strike 4 and two weeks off]
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:57am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        I was enjoying having Mike back, he had seemed a little more chill this time around.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:50am
      - itstricky
        
        One would expect, naturally, that flipper will have the same coming and will get 30 downticks for his poor taste.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:52am
      - sooty
        
        Fraser House, Oh, Fraser House. Can we have a new troll, please. The last one just broke.
        
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        March 19, 2018 12:40pm
      - starboard
        
        Bawhahahahaha ??
        
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        March 19, 2018 8:33pm
      - mikewasmild
        
        I say nothing about the commonplace observation that people in glasshouses should not throw stones.
        
        I am sure that flipper has done nothing dodgy in his past, and has had nothing dodgy done to him.
        
        His rage is surely the result of deliberate policy rather than suppressed trauma. He is, after all, a Very Serious Person and was a mate of the Right Honorable Sir Robert Muldoon. As an elderly man (I do not say gentleman), he perhaps deserves the leeway extended to allow him to to call other commenters ‘kiddifuckers’. Perhaps the qualifier ‘socialist’ made the slur more acceptable, at least to his own senescent thought processes.
        
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        April 3, 2018 12:32pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, as ex” Fox and Friends “ how can the President go wrong .
  
  Her nuanced knowledge of International diplomacy must be wide ranging and in depth
  
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  March 19, 2018 10:09am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Hey Stephie-Lonely
    
    Z-tev, Gobby and Mike (above) all on the pines, you are a lone voice calling in the wilderness.
    
    Don’t let pressure get to you and lose your shit too, keep it together Stephie-unhinged
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:53am
Harkman

Amazing how the Nothing-burger on Todd Barclay went on for weeks, but sexual assaults at multiple Labour party events have disappeared from the news. Further proof of our fair & balanced media.
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March 19, 2018 8:45am
- igm
  
  It is reassuring to see Fairfax and NZME are both in dire financial straits with their New Zealand operations . . . sooner these left-wing losers are on the street the better for all. I have sympathy for the collateral damage these mongrels masquerading as journos will cause when both companies finally go.
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:16am
  - mikenmild
    
    It will be great when igm steps in and takes over the brand names and runs proper new outlets.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:27am
cmm

I have no idea whether the Russians are guilty or not, but the current over-eagerness to blame Russia and poke the hornets’ nest has that whiff of GWBush and his weapons of mass destruction.

The politicians love the sound of war drums because it drowns out the real day-to-day problems that they are struggling with.
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March 19, 2018 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  Exactly,
  
  I posted this above , there’s something they want covered up .
  
  Politics of distraction.
  
  http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/telford-girls-the-wrong-kind-of-victims/21217#.Wq7FguhubIU
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:18am
- Andrei
  
  When a politician announces the result of investigation before it has actually begun and when established protocols in dealing with an incident are not followed it is almost a 100% certainty that you are being lied to
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:23am
  - mikenmild
    
    Da. Is suspicious comrade.
    West only jealous of 73% support for Tsar Vladimir, father of all the Russias.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:29am
    - Andrei
      
      I wonder who he voted for Mikey
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:09am
      - mikenmild
        
        Why would you care?
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:20am
      - sooty
        
        Not any more.
        
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        March 19, 2018 12:42pm
  - kowtow
    
    When you can see a politicians’ lips moving , you know you’re being lied to.
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:37am
- stephieboy
  
  cmm,
  
  The facts are they have form for this kind of thing ,
  
  “Poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko”
  
  Alexander Litvinenko was a former officer of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) and KGB, who fled from court prosecution in Russia and received political asylum in the United Kingdom.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
  
  BTW no “war drums” or a desire to invade and make war against Putin !
  
  Nor the so called “politics of distraction “
  
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  March 19, 2018 10:15am
  - Andrei
    
    Alexander Litvinenko was a criminal involved in the smuggling of nuclear material from ex Soviet Republics – a very unsavouray character
    
    He should have been returned to Russia to be tried in court for his crimes but instead was given sanctury in the UK and became an MI5 informant, presumably against the criminals he was working with.
    
    Hey ho – you lie down with dogs and you wake up with fleas
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:33am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Suicide, murder? Would he have had access?
      
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      March 19, 2018 2:04pm
BeaB

Where have all these finger-wagging women come from? Lizzie Marvelly and Rachel Stewart have been joined by another one in this morning’s Herald. An announcer on the Project declared ‘the debate is over’ on the Maori language. We are told what to think, what to say, how to behave – all according to their rules. It didn’t start with finger-wagger-in-chief Jacinda Ardern but it seems to be getting worse.
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March 19, 2018 8:54am
Monique Watson

Oh Fuck, Anyone else get the automatic gag reflex from the mention of Herald commentators? Apart from Deborah Hill Cone.
And it’s 1.10pm here Milky. Bit early in the day to knock myself out. I might eat a banana or two before the day is through.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuzP_YQArcE
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March 19, 2018 9:09am
- mikenmild
  
  So the beer drinking began in the early morning?
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:35am
KiWombat

Did you manage to plant any trees over the weekend Shane ?

Getting close to rolling over to 41,000,000 now, less any that you managed to plant over the weekend of course !
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March 19, 2018 9:12am
- RalphT
  
  Relax, relax. We don’t actually want those 41 million trees. There are 3,952 houses that are not being built and while this non activity continues, if we had more trees we would just need a large lumber yard for the stockpile to grow.
  
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  March 19, 2018 10:56am
Harkman

Prince Harry is not getting a pre-nup.
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March 19, 2018 9:15am
- dubya
  
  Probably no need. Anne, Andrew and Edward aren’t exactly flush with cash, I think their lodgings are all Grace and Favour.
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:42am
dime

quick question – what VPN provider do you dirtbags use?

i am trying out express vpn. when i use their closest server it drops me from 200m/bit to 100…

any other recommendations?
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March 19, 2018 9:18am
- mikenmild
  
  Aren’t VPNs only used to cheat artists out of their copyright income?
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:35am
  - dime
    
    colour me shocked, my new stalker replies with a garbage comment.
    
    and i do some human trafficking on the side if you must know.
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:44am
    - mikenmild
      
      Odd how you spoke of human and garbage in the same comment. Is that some subconscious acknowledgement of your self-worth?
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:58am
      - dime
        
        i think youre projecting milky.
        
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        March 19, 2018 11:05am
    - Kimbo
      
      @ dime
      
      Said it before, will say it again: dime was much more funny when he didn’t use the “raze the city, enslave the inhabitants and plough the ground with salt” gambit as the first response to those he considers lefty trolls
      
      …and I miss the trademark illeism. So on behalf of your fans who admire your earlier work, please next time make it:
      
      and ~~i do~~ dime does some human trafficking on the side if you must know.
      
      ?
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:35am
      - dime
        
        to be fair kimbo, i usually only abuse the ones who really are trolls.
        
        or if someone is speaking like a shit head to me.. i give it back.
        
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        March 19, 2018 10:45am
      - Kimbo
        
        to be fair kimbo, i dime usually only abuses the ones who really are trolls.
        
        or if someone is speaking like a shit head to ~~me.. i~~ dime…he gives it back.
        
        There! Fixed that for ya… 😉
        
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        March 19, 2018 11:33am
- Dave Mann
  
  I use Hola and I find it very reliable. So far all my shipments have arrived on time, although one was diverted to Tauranga due to unforseen police and customs activity. Apparently they started checking shipments of ‘dried gazelle penises’ too closely in Auckland…. them’s the risks of being in business….
  
  But, I ďigress. Where were we…? Oh yes, Hola is a great VPN (but don’t mention gazelles).
  
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  March 19, 2018 10:02am
- Fletch
  
  I signed with Express for a month and it’s really fast – very similar to speeds using without it. I tried the free 3-day trial from AirVPN but it’s too slow during times of high traffic.
  
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  March 19, 2018 10:14am
  - Fletch
    
    ps, That One Privacy site attempts to compare all the different services. He has reviewed a number of them, and there are colored-coded spreadsheets you can download or look at on the site to compare the virtues (or not) of them.
    
    https://thatoneprivacysite.net/vpn-section/
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:21am
    - dime
      
      thanks man!
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:46am
      - Fletch
        
        TorrentFreak had an article on them the other day as well. The article doesn’t really help a lot, I think – just goes through some of the features of each one. The comments underneath are more interesting.
        
        https://torrentfreak.com/vpn-services-keep-anonymous-2018/
        
        There are some useful sites to check if your IP “leaks” –
        
        https://ipleak.net/
        https://whoer.net/#extended
        
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        March 19, 2018 11:31am
- noskire
  
  http://au.pcmag.com/software/138/guide/the-best-vpn-services-of-2018
  
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  March 19, 2018 7:35pm
Andrei

The Diversity Dividend
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March 19, 2018 9:20am
- simpleton1
  
  It was a beautiful bridge over troubled ……
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:42am
- stephieboy
  
  Andrei , justification for stripping women of their rights and keeping them confined to the home ?
  
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  March 19, 2018 10:19am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    What a stupid comment.
    This reinforces that positive discrimination is a complete nonsense.
    If people are not employed on merit we end up with tragedies like this.
    
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    March 19, 2018 6:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I haven’t seen that aspect discussed in the MSM yet.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:09pm
niggly

Comrades … news just in from Fraser House, being distributed to the MSM. It reads:

“To mitigate Labour’s inept handling of the Labour Party Summer Camp in the media last week, we are pleased to announce the appointment of the one-and-only, world famous in NZ, “Hey Clint”, as Jacinda’s new media liaison officer.

From now on “Hey Clint” will answer all questions put to the PM, and also the Labour Party President and the Secretary General. Oh and for Kelvin Davis too. Oh and also the several other MP’s still hiding under Labour’s Witless Protection scheme since the Christmas Holidays.

Women, Men and Other Genders of the media, I’m sure you have plenty questions to ask of this exciting “unparalleled” development, we will be pleased to answer all questions, but please address them instead to “Hey Clint” and preferably on the back of a postage stamp, which err, you must stick down onto a blank envelope and post it to Clint@Parliament Gig – expect a reply in the mail once we undertake a review of NZ Post’s delivery and health and safety service procedures. We expect to form a Committee to discuss the terms of reference of the review and that process should be completed in September 2020.

Ends!
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March 19, 2018 9:27am
- Rich Prick
  
  Siri does a better job of answering questions than our Cindy.
  
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  March 19, 2018 1:57pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Siri scolds me 😉
    
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    March 19, 2018 2:10pm
    - noskire
      
      She used to scold me too so I took her for a swim.
      
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      March 19, 2018 11:08pm
KiWombat

Just who IS our Prime Minister ?

Just who IS calling the shots?

Seems to me that we have a face to front the media, but the face never actually says anything. Whenever she is put on the spot over an issue, she either doesn’t know the answer, has to go away and start a discussion about the answer, or claim that the governments position is very clear and I don’t need to tell you about that !

A Prime Minister should be able to make the occasional call on an issue. There have been numerous issues over the last six months and we have had to call upon others to find a solution, because the PM is just too busy talking about it to be bothered taking any action, or committing to any action.

It’s no wonder Australia has dumped her from future planning discussions, they’ve has as much of a gutfull as we have !
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March 19, 2018 9:28am
- Manolo
  
  The venal Mr Peters is the real PM.
  
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  March 19, 2018 11:06am
lastmanstanding

One wonders when the dalliance with the Emirates lady and the raging P habit will be known to the general public.

There is an old saying ” You are known by the company you keep”.
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March 19, 2018 9:33am
- mikenmild
  
  Who dalliance and whose P habit?
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    As you’ve been advising others here today….
    Google is your friend…
    
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    March 19, 2018 9:47am
    - mikenmild
      
      I’m waiting for Keeping Stock to spell it all out, as I know I can trust him to report the facts straight, with no personal slurs.
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:00am
  - lifesgood
    
    Idiot!
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:11am
- Longknives
  
  The Emirates lady is only one of many.
  You are dreaming- The gutless NZ Media will never touch that story…
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:44am
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives ,
    
    “The Emirates lady “?
    
    The one who jumped out of the Emergency exit ?
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=12014285
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:21am
Jack5

Internet scamsters seem to be having a convention in Malaysia.

Got a fake email from “.MY” today purporting to be from Paypal, headed “account update,” and saying I had made a substantial purchase in Hong Kong, which I hadn’t.

The email said I had 24 hours to cancel the transaction by clicking on the address provided.

I guess these scum will take in one, or maybe two honest people, for every 100 scams they send out.
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March 19, 2018 9:57am
- mikenmild
  
  Seem to be a few ‘investment advisors’ out there who have got my mobile number. Always a British accent, for some reason.
  
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  March 19, 2018 10:01am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Hubby and I both had calls, on our cellphones, on the same day from ‘investment advisors’. Figured it was a scam.
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:11am
    - mikenmild
      
      Always from different numbers. Always claim to have spoken to me before.
      
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      March 19, 2018 10:21am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    I get those too. Different numbers but generally start with +81 (Japan). If you don’t expect genuine calls from Japan there is probably an app that can block by country code.
    
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    March 19, 2018 11:00am
  - MCos
    
    When I was working in Thailand those people used to ring up all the time.
    Every now and then the constabulary would round up an office load of the buggers and chuck them out of the country.
    
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    March 19, 2018 12:44pm
- DigNap15
  
  I do wish that Gooogle, Facebook and all the ISP’s would deal to these guys.
  It really spoils using the internet.
  
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  March 19, 2018 10:07am
DigNap15

I don’t mind the ferals beating up their own children or killing them.
They don’t want them or care about them, so why should I.
That is one less feral breeder in the future.
But I do think we should stop all benefit payments to all members of such families.
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March 19, 2018 10:06am
- GoVege
  
  That’s mean, Dignap.
  These kids have already been abused, neglected and abandoned by their own parents.
  They don’t need more of the same from the rest of us.
  
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  March 19, 2018 11:03am
Monique Watson

@Dime. Human trafficking is the new black. But I prefer tear downs or buying low to add value. Dealing with snotty Council officers and then getting the reward when you gain a good income when the time is right.
@Mikey. It’s called an eye-opener for a good reason. It doesn’t count unless you crack the tab on the tinnie by 8.00am.
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March 19, 2018 10:10am
- mikenmild
  
  Perhaps a vodka shot or two before getting out of bed would be better.
  That many beers inn the morning is going to bloat you, surely?
  
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  March 19, 2018 10:23am
Anne Glen Eden

Oh Kate Hawkesby, your ‘gentle’ concern about abused children is noted, as is that of Dame Lesley Max.

Let’s put that into numbers. At 1 million children, that would be notifications of abuse, not abused children, of 250,000. Some of them will be part of the 1,500,000 victims of sexual assault. Tip of the iceberg indeed.

I can provide some answers though, directly and indirectly. Human beings ‘began’ anywhere from six to two million years ago; modern humans about 200,000 years. We’ve ‘evolved’, ‘civilised’, and ‘progressed’ to where the entire species is largely obsessed with who is fucking who, what, where, when, how, why, in what configuration, and for how long. Business, politics, science, medicine, education, entertainment … are all obsessed with it. There are annual parades, rainbows painted on roads, pedestrian signs, buildings configured to it, and wars being waged over it. But after all that time, there is no consensus that such contact should be based on respect and truly mutual agreement, acknowledging mental, emotional, and physical safety.

And there are no symbols painted on the road for victims of abuse. They are hidden, ‘for their own good’. The abusers are either ‘them’ or they’re themselves the victims of abuse and need to be protected as well. There’s no ‘naming and shaming’ of those who have ‘closed ranks’.

Likewise, we can discover the laws of the universe, explore space, transplant organs, create empires, philosophise and vote. But we can’t achieve the simple equation of people get up in the morning, provide for themselves and dependents during the day, go to bed at night – and repeat it reliably throughout one’s lifetime. Not even on the most basic level. Why? Because it’s worth billions and billions of dollars and satisfying to the ‘dirty side of human nature’, to let the collateral human damage go on.

Specifically? In days gone by (they’re not there now), I’ve had the response from a Labour politician that it’s not ‘fiscally responsible’ to deal with child abuse. I’ve had the response from a National politician at the same time, of a sweet, but derisive, smile with the comment, “Oh now REALLY, now how many of them actually die?” And on those terms, this child is not yet dead.

And the comment from a Maori radical that “You’ve had hundreds of years to learn from ‘your’ casualties. We have the right to learn from ours. There are always casualties in pursuit of a principle. And if you don’t allow ‘us’ to have our casualties, we’ll start shooting people.” And, boy, are Maori not committed to that. They’re really happy to see and tolerate the casualties for more leverage for more money, power, and privilege. But, like the Rainbow movement, they are just so ‘proud’ and everyone else must be too. Who cares about a four-month old with multiple fractures? It’s not like they can pop up in the MSM and tell their story, which the MSM wouldn’t tell anyway out of ‘sensitivity’.

But you can’t blame the abusers for ‘closing ranks’. It’s what everyone does, and as Barry Soper says, what else can you expect? It’s ‘realistic’. Politicians, business people, educators, black, white, brown, families – and always the MSM …. No-one wants anyone to know they’re ‘them’ – and they certainly don’t want the satisfaction of their appetites muted while they pursue their own ‘causes’.

So, the abusers want to go on abusing, and those with the power, privilege, and resources to stop it won’t and don’t even have it as a goal. In between you have some groups blaming them for their own victimisation, justifying it, or wailing futilely with varying levels of true distress – often just grateful it’s not them. And that includes ‘Jacinda’. Their answer is marketing spin.

Good on you for writing about it. Keep doing it. But really? Few people care for more than a moment. It has little in way of salacious opportunity and no hope of changing or fixing it. There’s lots of comfort to be found in alcohol, drugs, and sex. You are ‘uncomfortable’? A growing proportion of the population (with generational progression) are outright disturbed which is becoming the ‘norm’.
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March 19, 2018 10:35am
- stephieboy
  
  Anne Glen Eden,
  
  “But you can’t blame the abusers for ‘closing ranks”.?
  
  Examples ?I had in mind the Police investigation into the sex abuse allegations at the Labour summer school by the 20 year old .
  
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  March 19, 2018 11:40am
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    That is so ludicrous. There is a ‘Police’ investigation because one brave victim, with some level of self-esteem, or their parents, made a complaint.
    
    The Labour Party did not refer it for investigation. The Labour Party did not even tell their parents. The Labour Party apparently believes this is all ‘normal teen behaviour’ and any objection to it is a political stunt and/or overly moralistic concern.
    
    The Labour Party apparently believes than an upset and intimidated child is entirely capable of, solely and alone, making a judgement about what to do to help themselves and what should happen to a perpetrator. It also believes it’s preferable (backed up by ‘professionals’) that these children should carry the whole thing, not only alone, but keeping it entirely secret from those who care about them and are the only people who can provide ongoing support. They get away with it because the victims are powerless children.
    
    Adults in the Labour Party and the wider society apparently believe that a perpetrator should be allowed to just be removed from the incident and go about their business.
    
    I watched, last night, the clip about:
    
    “Former employee Jessica Kereama says three years ago she told the commission to review its policy after it took six months to independently investigate her complaint. The complaint related to a senior colleague of hers in 2014.
    
    She drew their attention to two historical allegations of sexual abuse outside the commission, and an inappropriate relationship with a subordinate who’d since left. Ms Kereama wasn’t one of the victims and police weren’t involved.
    
    “It was four months of silence and that was very difficult,” she said. “I got to do an overnight trip with him, even though I’d raised very serious allegations.”
    
    Jessica Kereama is an adult. She looked, to me, like she was weepy. She’d definitely been put at risk, let alone the previous victims. And this was “three years ago she told the commission to review its policy after it took six months to independently investigate her complaint.”
    
    THREE YEARS and that was SIX MONTHS AFTER HER COMPLAINT and that was after MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS; in the HUMAN RIGHTS commission. The guy continued to operate all that time.
    
    Tell me, stephieboy, if she was saying the guy had shoved his hand down her pants and grabbed her genitals, would that be ‘normal’ behaviour? Mind you, that might be some of what he did to the others. Would the wider society be saying, “Well, men will be men. She needs to get over herself and all those others are just wowsers”?
    
    I know some of them really are saying that, hence the need to be ‘sensitive’ about the victims identities.
    
    But being brown, female, and weepy – she’s got a better chance of succeeding. Are you really suggesting that children at the Labour Party camp have her sort of strength and significance? Or their parents?
    
    They close ranks all right.
    
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    March 19, 2018 12:18pm
    - Paulus
      
      It is said that the 20 year old Perp is an employee of the Labour Party ?
      Which is why it has all gone quiet.
      
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      March 19, 2018 1:30pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Paulus , it is said ? By whom ?
        
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        March 19, 2018 2:19pm
      - doggone7
        
        “It is said.”
        
        And if someone says the person is not an employee of the Labour Party it can been said that it has been be said the person is not an employee of the Labour Party?
        
        I have heard it said that the person is not an employee of the Labour Party actually.
        
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        March 19, 2018 4:48pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Anne Glen Eden,,our mobile judge , jury and hangman !
      
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      March 19, 2018 2:18pm
- GoVege
  
  Who was that Maori radical, Anne?
  
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  March 19, 2018 6:30pm
lifesgood

So is Jacinda Ardern playing from the Len Brown playbook? With a compliant media she will just ignore the whole disgraceful episode and hope it goes away, after all it worked for him. I sure hope the police show some balls, keep the investigation going and make an arrest, after all everyone present knows who the pervert is. I’ve got a terrible suspicion that just as in the Darren Hughes incident it will be dropped for lack of evidence (code for pressure brought to bear).
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March 19, 2018 10:38am
- Longknives
  
  Labour’s Sex Predator will get Permanent Name Supression.
  *To ‘Protect the Victims’.
  
  Jacinda knows this will then quietly go away…
  
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  March 19, 2018 11:04am
- dave_c_
  
  No doubt about it – Corruption in the highest places is alive and well in NZ
  
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  March 19, 2018 4:14pm
Jack5

The student citizenship rort gets worse!

Wealthy Indians are reported to be paying for Indian women to study in NZ and marry their drug-addicted sons to get them residency in NZ.

Now some are calling it a slave racket.

National left a mess with the student immigration rorts scheme – and the former National Minister is still the party’s immigration spokesman.

Radio NZ reports: https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/voices/audio/2018636396/slavery-through-education
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March 19, 2018 10:42am
- kowtow
  
  “Now some are calling it a slave racket.”
  
  Please refer to it by its proper name……
  
  The Diversity Dividend.
  
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  March 19, 2018 1:17pm
DigNap15

Time we stopped the Indian student racket!

They are all well educated when they come here.
India turns our more engineering and IT professionals than the rest of the world combined.

Many of them just want a back door into Australia.
The rest want to live here and bring their whole extended family so they live on our benefits later on.
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March 19, 2018 10:48am
Monique Watson

@Mikey. Vodka in the morning gives you the shits. Believe me I know. I’m a research drinker. 🙂 Beer does too, but not so much if you take it slow with oats and fruit.
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March 19, 2018 10:55am
Manolo

On the offensive:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/mar/18/donald-trump-moves-discredit-james-comey-andrew-mc/

President Trump on Sunday used his Twitter platform to try and discredit James Comey and Andrew McCabe, whose FBI careers were cut short amid acrimony over the Russian-meddling probe and how the bureau handled probes into the Clinton family.
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March 19, 2018 11:17am
- Fletch
  
  McCabe – pfft.
  Even Democrat Senator Adam Schiff commented that Andrew McCabe’s firing “may be justified”. When you haven’t even got the hugely anti-Trump Schiff on your side, something is wrong.
  
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  March 19, 2018 11:22am
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch ,
    
    “..may be justified”.?
    
    Source ?
    
    investigation
    
    Trump ‘fake memos’ attack on McCabe raises fears of firing special counsel
    
    Donald Trump cast doubt on memos of conversations between him and the fired FBI deputy director that have reportedly been handed to Robert Mueller, claiming Andrew McCabe did not take notes during their meetings.
    
    Trump lawyer calls for end to Russia investigation after McCabe firing
    
    Seeing Trump’s offensive against McCabe as an attack on Mueller himself, several senior Republicans rallied to support the former FBI director who is investigating Russian election interference and links between Trump aides and Moscow.
    
    “Spent very little time with Andrew McCabe,” Trump tweeted on Sunday morning in a volley of angry messages, “but he never took notes when he was with me. I don’t believe he made memos except to help his own agenda, probably at a later date. Same with lying James Comey. Can we call them Fake Memos?”
    
    McCabe was fired on Friday night, two days short of qualifying for his pension and officially for allowing a leak to the press and failing to be candid about it under oath….”
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/mar/18/trump-andrew-mccabe-memos-james-comey-fbi
    
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    March 19, 2018 11:28am
    - Fletch
      
      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/adam-schiff-andrew-mccabes-firing-may-be-justified
      
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      March 19, 2018 1:24pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Fletch , the very latest from the Republican member ,
        
        “No way yet to evaluate the rush to fire Andrew McCabe, but each FBI official who corroborates Comey on the issue of potential obstruction has been targeted by Trump and his allies in Congress — McCabe is only the latest example. This is no coincidence.”
        
        https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/975394213859921922/video/1
        
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        March 19, 2018 2:21pm
      - Fletch
        
        You do realize that Schiff is a Democrat, right?
        
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        March 19, 2018 8:25pm
Manolo

Another hag that refuses to leave the scene and who wants to live forever:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/18/us/politics/nancy-pelosi-democrats-candidates.html
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March 19, 2018 11:38am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , like this former 88 year Republican old timer ?
  
  http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-louise-slaughter-dead-20180316-story.html
  
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  March 19, 2018 11:43am
  - Manolo
    
    Yes, yes, yes. A man or woman should know when to call it a day.
    
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    March 19, 2018 11:56am
  - simpleton1
    
    I think some one is talking in tongues and trying to blame Republicans for having aged members.
    Acts 10:44-48. Do practice those verses, so that is not a babble.
    
    Slaughter decided to run for the Democratic nomination ……..
    ……Slaughter was one of the most liberal and progressive members of the New York congressional delegation from upstate New York, and in the 110th Congress, was the most progressive member of the entire House of Representatives according to the National Journal.
    
    Slaughter was one of several Democratic members of Congress who posted at Daily Kos, a Democratic-oriented blog. She was a member of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. She was the oldest member of Congress at the time of her death https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Slaughter
    
    It seems that stephieboy has mixed his tongues to fake sources as perhaps she was so bad a representative that they painted her as a Republican, (though Republicans are not perfect)
    
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    March 19, 2018 12:14pm
    - Kimbo
      
      @ simpleton1
      
      I think some one is talking in tongues
      
      …Acts 10:44-48. Do practice those verses,
      
      While not disputing your valid correction that Slaughter was indeed a Democrat, not a Republican, may I just add an additional correction from the perspective of Calvinist orthodoxy:
      
      The gift of tongues almost certainly ceased with the death of the last Apostle. 😉
      
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      March 19, 2018 12:19pm
      - RalphT
        
        Indeed Kimbo. You would hope that if stephieboy wants us to accept his as an expert on American politics he would know that Rep stands for Representative, not Republican. A simple reading of the first few lines of what he posted should have given him cause to think. Or is that too much to hope for?
        
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        March 19, 2018 12:37pm
      - simpleton1
        
        🙂 and in a month or so, it will be read in many pulpits in the world.
        One such reader, just above, will be at a local church, to open the book in the right place, and needs more practice to make sure he does not mislead the congregation, considering your Calvinist Orthodoxy 😉
        
        Now I do not know whether he or his church has a Pentecostalism flavour, or is more Charismatic, that is being a shy Pentecostal.
        
        Some argue that if another person can understand the other person’s tongue, then it may be the spirit.
        Then it becomes anecdotal, though the truth may be debated, and leaves room for charlatans to be involved.
        
        For some it may be the consideration whether the Spirit flows around, and even through you.
        
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        March 19, 2018 12:58pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Simpleton1 , fair enough .Ok shall we then try Rep Don Young of Alaska ,
      
      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/12/05/alaskas-don-young-become-longest-serving-member-congress-after-conyers-retirement/922937001/
      
      Or this old codger ,
      
      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/05/john-conyers-announcement/922417001/
      
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      March 19, 2018 2:26pm
alloytoo

Heather du Plessis-Allan: Jacinda Ardern fails big test after Labour camp scandal

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=12013908
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March 19, 2018 11:55am
doggone7

The ‘Mad Monday’ of rugby league has nothing on Mad Monday on here. Just some of the mad-as-hell sentiment today has Jacinda Ardern described. She’s:
like a slimy eel,
a very naive smart mouth individual,
thrives on public adoration,
 loves tossing out well rehearsed one liners,
hideous,
obnoxious,
shallow,
 soft and disposable like Kleenex, 
a crockery-faced liar,
a charlatan,
only a figurehead for the Labour Party,
wasn’t elected, 
pledged “zero suicides.”

In the circumstances I suppose whether the ‘mad’ equals ‘irate’ or ‘mentally ill’ is a matter of opinion.
Not opinion but fact, is that Jacinda Ardern is the Prime Minister of New Zealand. Hence the madness being flaunted.
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March 19, 2018 12:07pm
- Que Sera Sera
  
  This is par for the course on KB.
  These comments say far more about the person airing their opinion than it does about the victim.
  It is very poor form.
  
  They no very well that the PM, or Winston or any other target will not lower themselves with a reply so they keep going on their merry low life ways.
  
  And as I have asked on here before, please place on here a full photo of yourselves, warts, wrinkles and moles, baldness and dyed hair, for all to see.
  But no, you just hide behind the keyboard, feeling very smug at how brave you are, not.
  
  Put your selves up for Public Office, you have all the answers, according to yourselves.
  Just do it.
  
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  March 19, 2018 1:43pm
  - calendar girl
    
    QSS, please outline for all of us how one goes about placing a photo on a KB thread.
    
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    March 19, 2018 3:38pm
    - Que Sera Sera
      
      I am sure David Farrar could arrange that, in the name of fairness, no problem.
      
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      March 19, 2018 3:53pm
- itstricky
  
  ADS is a more severe strain of JDS.
  
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  March 19, 2018 1:49pm
- Happychappy
  
  Ha ha it didn’t stop you calling Bill English a liar and other things when Winston reckoned he had all the E mails that he had sent his ex staffer. So really its the pot calling the kettle black.
  
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  March 19, 2018 3:56pm
  - doggone7
    
    Are you seriously suggesting that Bill English lying in the Barclay business was only specific to Winston and emails he reckoned he had?
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:19pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  The problem boils down this imho,
  
  It’s hard to have respect for the office of pm when the person who occupies it, doesn’t respect it themselves.
  
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  March 19, 2018 5:52pm
MCos

Last night on Sunday there was an interview with an Australian man whose girlfriend fell to her death from their apartment under particularly suspicious circumstances a few years ago.
One is hesitant to point the bone at this character on the basis of a twenty minute hit piece on commercial TV, but it struck me the guy was extremely lucky to be free to walk the streets of Australia.
Apart from this particular incident investigators for the TV show came up with a list of women longer than your arm that he had had disturbing relationships with.
Despite all that he maintains his innocence and has been allowed to go about his daily life for years.

If the uproar here over the last week or so is anything to go by it’s clear the guy didn’t push the right buttons.
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March 19, 2018 1:28pm
- KKKKatee
  
  That guy you are referring to is a danger to women. He should have been locked up and has absolutely no remorse about the events which took place in his apartment.
  
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  March 19, 2018 2:20pm
- Happychappy
  
  Are you saying you condone what happened at the Young Labour Camp MCos and the way labour hid the facts of what happened from their Parents and Police.
  
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  March 19, 2018 4:02pm
srylands

Oh dear.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/102394885/ardern-says-government-actively-considering-call-to-end-oil-exploration
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March 19, 2018 2:00pm
- Ross12
  
  Beat me to it srylands.
  The idiots are running the assylum. Wait until Robertson tells them how much the O&G industry already contributes to the economy —assuming Robertson actually knows the figure.
  
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  March 19, 2018 2:14pm
  - kaykaybee
    
    Oil AND GAS – the industry supporting 11,000 jobs and contributing $500 million a year to the Government in royalties.
    
    News for you Ardern. This will not be your legacy. It’ll be more likely your private life and decisions around that that will loom large in discussion of you.
    
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    March 19, 2018 2:27pm
    - Que Sera Sera
      
      Sounds like you know something, so put it up.
      
      But please don’t just use innuendoes and gossip.
      
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      March 19, 2018 2:57pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Yes who will pay the dole for those 11,000 people?
      
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      March 19, 2018 3:18pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        You, silly! ?
        
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        March 19, 2018 4:17pm
  - stigie
    
    Are they fucking mad, how will Sweet Cheeks obfuscate around this fiasco..?
    
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    March 19, 2018 4:52pm
- Manolo
  
  Impossible, incredible, unbelievable!
  
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  March 19, 2018 2:29pm
- cmm
  
  Did she run this past the First Boyfriend for his input?
  
  No jet fuel = no spearfishing in tropical destinations and no mile high club!
  
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  March 19, 2018 3:25pm
- Longknives
  
  Guarantee there will still be enough Oil allowed for Ministerial Flights and Limos in Jacinda’s Socialist Paradise!
  Just us lowly workers that will have to ride bicycles to our jobs…
  
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  March 19, 2018 4:42pm
Monique Watson

Realestate.co.nz sucks balls Bigtime. Whomsoever is responsible for such a cocksuckery balls-up of the upgrade needs to be force fed some technical writing at dawn.
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March 19, 2018 2:09pm
Anne Glen Eden

Just to augment Tess Nichol’s article, let me just say, all men are not rapists and a lot of them are also victims being twisted and distorted by predators, and not just from being assaulted.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12015289

I was 19 when a friend of mine was abused by someone in management. Her husband objected and she got fired. She came to me and I went to the union. They fought the case, with my help finding witnesses, all the while saying they could not protect any of us from the inevitable consequences. And they couldn’t and didn’t although the case was won. There was never any doubt about it if it went in front of a judge. I was treated to regular, vigorous harassment by several ‘management’ at a time and told I would never work again.

But while that was going on, unbeknownst to all the others, the man at the centre of it all was pleading with me to keep going to stop the culture and the pressure on him. He was not a NZer, nor from the Pacific. He could not ‘harass’ women in a civilised way, especially when he was grossly disturbed about doing it at all. He was under constant pressure to be part of the management ‘club’ and ‘culture’ of harassing women; probably his continued residence was dependent on it; and in constant danger from the potential results. All he wanted was to live respectably and in whatever peace he could find in his new country. He was getting married.

Inevitably I did not remain working there and I assume his unfortunate life went on – I certainly didn’t want to remain connected. A couple of years later, he killed himself, in a comparatively tortuous way.

It’s a pity his socially very ‘respectable’ and wealthy management and their friends, some of them government employees, didn’t suffer the same fate. But the culture continues, among both men and women, with victims in all genders. Men are much less likely to complain about it.
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March 19, 2018 2:11pm
niggly

WTF? Just tuned into ZB, Andrew Dickens reports that PM Select Jacinda Ardern left an official state visit engagement (by the Indonesian President) in order to accept a Greenpeace petition to halt oil exploration (and extraction?) in/around NZ?!!!

Does anyone know whether there is actually a brain in Jacinda’s “air” head?

I mean so Jacinda wants to put out-of-work tens of thousands of people working and supporting the NZ oil industry, kill off the regions (particularly Taranaki), and make imported oil for cars and vehicles more expensive, causing extra financial stress especially for the low-waged and generally everyone due to increased freight charges to move goods to supermarkets and shops? What about the international emissions generated in importing oil products to NZ?

And to give the Greenpeace idiots some validity and respect? Tell you what I’ll start to give the Greenpeace idiots and our air-headed idiotic PM if they walked the talk and stopped using cars (and plastics, smartphone and clothes etc) and walked or biked everywhere!

The other thing that’s probably going on in Jacinda’s head is she’d rather not be associated too much with the visiting Indonesian President (think Papua) and slinking off to Greenpeace gives her a way out including maximum virtue signalling opportunities in solidarity with GP and “climate change”!

Look I’m as dubious about the visiting Indonesian President as most people (eg Papua, home grown terrorism, military build-up etc), but the facts are Jacinda is the PM and it is her job to meet official visitors – no matter who they are, if they are on an official state visit! If she doesn’t like that then why the hell is she still playing at being PM?

“Stand-down Jacinda, stand-down”! (With apologies to left-leaning and now horrified band The Beat)!
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March 19, 2018 2:49pm
- DigNap15
  
  I hope the Indonesian PM tells her that produce a lot of oil!
  And palm oil (ha ha)
  
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  March 19, 2018 3:17pm
- rangitoto
  
  The government is obliged to receive such a petition. However she should have sent a junior minister. Breaking off a meeting like this is plain rude.
  
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  March 19, 2018 3:18pm
  - mandk
    
    There were two other Ministers present: Shaw and Woods.
    
    Apart from the disgraceful treatment of the Indonesian President, the worst part is that Ardern doesn’t actually have a position on oil and gas exploration. She was just there to sprinkle more fairy dust.
    
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    March 19, 2018 3:28pm
    - Kimbo
      
      In much the same way as “Kremlin watchers” during the Cold War used to discern otherwise imperceptible shifts by observing who was and wasn’t on the balcony during May Day parades in Red Square, I’d suggest Ardern’s decision to receive personally the petition, signals she does indeed have a position. ?
      
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      March 19, 2018 3:32pm
    - Peter
      
      Going after the environmental voters.
      
      If I were Labour, I’d be looking to snatch as much Green vote as I could. Virtue signalling is one way to do so, obviously.
      
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      March 19, 2018 3:57pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      She’s also elbowed her own minister sideways, as Megan Woods was scheduled to receive the petition.
      Is Megan Woods in witless protection too?
      (Meg, you can turn up, but you know ‘who dunnit’ so can’t speak to anyone about anything)
      
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      March 19, 2018 7:01pm
      - niggly
        
        Woah! Sounds like Jacinda was sent to engage in damage control (eg keep Megan Woods away from the media in case they also took the opportunity to question her about the harassment and harasser)???
        
        If this is the case, wow, Labour and Jacinda seem to be so desperate and are working hand in hand to “protect” the harasser? Even by standing up the Indonesian President!
        
        Again Jacinda appears to be having her strings pulled by the Party Executive!
        
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        March 19, 2018 8:39pm
- waikatogirl
  
  But Cindy stated during the election campaign that “Climate change is her generations fight like the earlier fight to keep NZ nuclear free.”
  
  Wait for Cindy to flipflop, 1..2..3..
  
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  March 19, 2018 4:27pm
- noskire
  
  Voluntary confrontation with what you are afraid of…
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:32pm
DigNap15

And did you see Jacinda in her op shop rags on the steps of parliament recieving the petition when she should have been paying respect to the president to one of the largest countries in the world.
She really is a disgrace.
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March 19, 2018 3:22pm
- cmm
  
  Yup the “workers” in the baby factory down the road dress better than that.
  
  What next: fleece pants and ugg boots?
  
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  March 19, 2018 3:27pm
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm, our resident expert in womens finer tastes in the latets in Parisian fashion-ware !
    
    LOL
    
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    March 19, 2018 3:30pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      What are the little hotties in st Luke’s wearing today Stephie-creep
      
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      March 19, 2018 5:56pm
      - nasska
        
        Probably “modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts”. 🙂
        
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        March 19, 2018 6:13pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Crikey, nasska. I’ve gotta go take a cold shower! ?
        
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        March 19, 2018 6:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Now now, you’ll have Mikey along lecturing you on ‘Blog Etiquette’
        Oh wait….
        Heck, I guess yesterday’s Post of his didn’t age well!
        
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        March 19, 2018 6:43pm
  - itstricky
    
    in the baby factory down the road dress better
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/03/hehir_on_kds.html
    
    they think the way to victory is denigrating the PM, rather than convincing NZers they can manage the economy well.
    
    Bloggers and social media activists are not bound by the constraints of traditional opinion journalism. They take what the commentators have written and dial it up to eleven. The sanctimony, sarcasm and smugness quotients fly right off the charts. Things can go even further. Any semblance of reasoned critique go out the window and are replaced by an inchoate loathing.
    
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    March 19, 2018 4:01pm
    - nasska
      
      ….” and are replaced by an inchoate loathing”…..
      
      I bring good news. I didn’t need other commenters nor any social media to inspire my loathing of the Peoples Princess be it inchoate or fully developed.
      
      All she had to do was open her trap & let the Norwester blow her tongue around……the lies, doublespeak & slogans did the rest.
      
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      March 19, 2018 5:19pm
      - RF
        
        White fang of the north, the people’s princess.
        
        God save New Zealand.
        
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        March 19, 2018 7:51pm
- GoVege
  
  She needs to start dressing in those fancy clothes that earned Metiria such admiration..
  
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  March 19, 2018 4:35pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  After 6 months in office Ardern has been rude to Australia, USA, Russia and Indonesia.
  Winston has pissed off the British, and has yet to start the NK problem. Heaven help us.
  
  If these chumps run the 3yr distance to the next election will we have any trading partners left?
  
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  March 19, 2018 7:18pm
  - noskire
    
    And once again I will make this statement: “These bastards won’t last a year in office.”
    Six more months is probably a stretch now.
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:38pm
stephieboy

DiNap15,

“..when she should have been paying respect to the president to one of the largest countries in the world.”

I think Manolo might not agree !
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March 19, 2018 3:27pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  “I think”
  
  Where is the proof?
  
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  March 19, 2018 5:58pm
noskire

JA is getting hammered in her post-cabinet presser: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12015816
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March 19, 2018 4:17pm
- Longknives
  
  Anyone know what happened to the ridiculous Petition to have the knighthood stripped off Sir Bob?
  
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  March 19, 2018 4:39pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Stored and preserved, by executive order, in a place of honour in Te Papa, right next to the original version of the Treaty of Waitangi? ?
    
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    March 19, 2018 4:43pm
    - RalphT
      
      Placed in the toilets for when they run out of tissue would be a better use.
      
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      March 19, 2018 4:56pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    https://www.change.org/p/rt-hon-jacinda-ardern-revoke-racist-sir-bob-jones-of-his-knighthood-read-his-vile-rant-here/u/22485933?recruiter=86135863&utm_source=share_update&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=facebook_link
    
    There will be heaps of free ‘spirits’ there according to the comments section!
    
    Every second comment: So wish I could be there, but will be there in spirit. Much aroha to all 🙂
    
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    March 19, 2018 6:11pm
    - GoVege
      
      These people are nuts.
      Don’t they know satire when they read it?
      Actually I doubt that many of them have actually even read Bob’s article.
      Most of them would be at best semi-literate so would be relying on one of these ultra-sensitive professional whingers to explain their biased take on it.
      
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      March 19, 2018 11:03pm
noskire

Today’s quiz: Is the following quote from an episode of the satirical 1970’s BBC series Yes Minister, or a quote today from the New Zealand Prime Minister – “I would have to have a brief on everything the Minister of Foreign Affairs receives to be able to tell you whether or not there was any difference in the information we received.”
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March 19, 2018 4:45pm
- Kimbo
  
  She is adept at the good old “filling the space, thereby denying it to others” gambit, isn’t she! Good to sea our tax payer dollars funding her degree in Communications Studies at Waikato Uni didn’t go to waste. ?
  
  Plus, as PM, and chair person of cabinet, isn’t it your ultimate responsibility to ensure the information that you and your Deputy PM/Minister of Foreign Affairs receive is not contradictory?!
  
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  March 19, 2018 4:47pm
- RF
  
  noskire.
  
  Bat shit crazy….
  
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  March 19, 2018 4:55pm
- RalphT
  
  PM’s manual, Page one: open mouth; disengage brain; let words spill out; close mouth; reengage brain.
  
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  March 19, 2018 4:59pm
  - Kimbo
    
    You forgot “alternate between smiley/concerned face as required” ??
    
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    March 19, 2018 5:02pm
    - RalphT
      
      I suppose I could argue that the smiley face is in fact the vacant look we get when the brain is disengaged?
      
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      March 19, 2018 5:06pm
  - DigNap15
    
    You forgot the first thing she does – puts op shop dress on and look like school girl.
    
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    March 19, 2018 5:04pm
DigNap15

So is Jacinda saying that she will act on any petition that gets 40,000 signatures?

If she wants to get carbon neutral by 2050 or whatever.
Just plant more trees.
We will still use oil weather we use oru own or import it!
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March 19, 2018 5:06pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Can we get 40,000 signatories asking her to fuck off and take her band of muppets with her?
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:09pm
GoVege

Another backward sadist on the news for stomping a tiny kitten to death.
I’m afraid his grainy image and accent give him away as most likely one of our indigenous folk.
Probably a gang associate or even a prospect, trying to show how tough he is.
What’s the latest I wonder on the low-life scum who burned two caged dogs to death?
The evil crimes perpetrated on helpless animals in this country defies belief for a so-called “civilized” nation.
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March 19, 2018 5:31pm
- noskire
  
  The Tragic Story of the Man-Child – Jordan Peterson sums this up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjfClL6nogo
  
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  March 19, 2018 5:35pm
- GoVege
  
  Wow…just saw the case of the tortured dogs featured on Prime.
  Good one.
  
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  March 19, 2018 5:43pm
- DigNap15
  
  And its a well known fact that animal abusers go on to bigger things.
  
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  March 19, 2018 5:55pm
- Longknives
  
  Seen the Video- The wanker who stomps the Kitten to death definitely speaks with a ‘Bro’ accent GoVege.
  I wonder if he is trying to get his patch in one of those ‘Staunch’ Maori Gangs?
  
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  March 19, 2018 6:05pm
  - GoVege
    
    Probably, LK.
    I recall a few years ago another “bro” filmed himself feeding a litter of live, newborn kittens to his pitbull.
    No doubt to increase its blood-thirstiness for dog-fighting.
    Many years ago some Maori boys were had up and given a short jail sentence for setting a puppy on fire and shoving it in a letterbox.
    All their mums and aunties were outside the court screaming and yelling “It’s only a dog! It’s only a dog!”
    And we wonder why they have such terrible stats for child abuse….
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:54pm
Prince

Arden accepts the petition against offshore mining.
I’ll take the photo opportunity, the media attention and having placards linking me to Clarke and Kirk, but as for any action, umm, concerned face, ‘I need time’ – perhaps another committee coming up ?
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March 19, 2018 6:13pm
- nasska
  
  This looks controversial. Might need a discussion as well!
  
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  March 19, 2018 6:16pm
noskire

JA’s honeymoon with the MSM is over: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtkmMDLODl0&feature=youtu.be
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March 19, 2018 6:56pm
Swifty

For Kimbo, if of interest:

https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/2018636503/sir-lloyd-geering-100-years-young

Sir Lloyd Geering interviewed by Kim Hill on Sat.
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March 19, 2018 6:57pm
- Kimbo
  
  Thanks, Swifty. I’ll listen with great interest on the assumption I will not hear as much heresy since I last let the Jehovah’s Witnesses in the door. ?
  
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  March 19, 2018 7:03pm
  - nasska
    
    From Swifty’s link:
    
    ….”claiming that humans do not have an immortal soul, and Jesus’ body did not physically ascend to heaven”…..
    
    While the eminent theologian is undoubtedly correct, as Kimbo pointed out recently, it is amazing that he continued to stay in the Godbothering business.
    
    Still, he was probably qualified for little else other than a new career in homoeopathic healing, water divining or spoon bending. 🙂
    
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    March 19, 2018 7:17pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Just for the record, and despite what some creeds say, I don’t think lack of belief in the existence of the immortal soul is heresy. But denial of the physical resurrection of Christ? You betcha.
      
      But unlike Calvin with Servetus in Geneva, I don’t want to see good old Lloyd burned at the stake. Much less stripped of his knighthood. ?
      
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      March 19, 2018 7:22pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”denial of the physical resurrection of Christ”…..
        
        What a load of horseshit! A tale of magic designed to fool the simple minded, superstitious peasants of the era.
        
        When you’re dead you’re dead!
        
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        March 19, 2018 7:28pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Fair enough, nasska. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer pick. But as you do not profess Christian faith, that only makes you an unbeliever, not a heretic. Sorry if you were after that certificate to frame and place on the wall of your study… ?
        
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        March 19, 2018 7:33pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Lloyd Geering…the biggest hypocrite of all time. Has no religious belief but sucked on the tit of religion all his life. At 100 you could perhaps excuse him for being senile.
        
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        March 19, 2018 7:34pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”Sorry if you were after that certificate to frame and place on the wall of your study”….
        
        Bugger! 🙂
        
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        March 19, 2018 7:35pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Lloyd Geering was interviewed on TV a week or so ago. He does not believe but still attends church weekly. In bloody good shape for 100.
        
        Must be doing some✝️hing right.
        
        However, I’ll stick with Nasska on the dark side. ?
        
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        March 19, 2018 8:15pm
      - Fletch
        
        What a load of horseshit! A tale of magic designed to fool the simple minded, superstitious peasants of the era.
        
        And yet, some of the most learned men who ever lived believe(d) in God. Inventors, writers, genius’s, musicians, artists – more intelligent people than you or me. As Sir Anthony Hopkins put it
        
        “Being an atheist must be like living in a closed cell with no windows. “I’d hate to live like that, wouldn’t you? We see them, mind you, on television today, many brilliant people who are professional atheists who say they know for a fact that it’s insanity to have a God or to believe in religion. Well, OK, God bless them for feeling that way and I hope they’re happy.
        
        “But I couldn’t live with that certainty, and I wonder about some of them: why are they protesting so much? How are they so sure of what is out there? And who am I to refute the beliefs of so many great philosophers and martyrs all the way down the years?”
        
        I also have to point out that most of the world is religious. According to the CIA website, there are approx 7 billion people in the world -According to the same site, 88.54% (6.2 billion) are religious in some way – Christian 33.35% (of which Roman Catholic 16.83%, Protestant 6.08%, Orthodox 4.03%, Anglican 1.26%), Muslim 22.43%, Hindu 13.78%, Buddhist 7.13%, Sikh 0.36%, Jewish 0.21%, Baha’i 0.11%, other religions 11.17%.
        
        Only 9.42% are non-religious and 2.04% are atheist.
        
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        March 19, 2018 8:18pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Still, he was probably qualified for little else
      He has a very good MA in mathematics.
      (He originally intended being a maths teacher).
      
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      March 19, 2018 8:48pm
  - Swifty
    
    I should tell you I’m from Scottish, Church of Christ stock. Lloyd Geering was friendly with my father’s parents, in Wellington.
    
    He was to marry my parents in 1960 but had to pull out for some reason – I must ask the old man to remind me of what that reason was.
    
    A lovely interview in my opinion – don’t agree with him on everything but nice to hear his current views on things and to know that, at 100, he is still very well spoken.
    
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    March 19, 2018 7:18pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Credit where it is due, Sir Lloyd Geering is very good with his analysis of religion and its interaction with and shaping of contemporary culture. But then that is why religious studies and theology, while interacting at many points, are not the same discipline.
      
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      March 19, 2018 7:26pm
big bruv

I see that Harry Windsor and his gold digging partner are not getting a pre nup. In my opinon Harry is fucking mad. The Yank is without doubt a gold digger and one who has decided to marry a royal ginger as a career step.
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March 19, 2018 7:06pm
- wreck1080
  
  You are one nasty individual.
  
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  March 19, 2018 7:53pm
- Fletch
  
  I pretty much agree. I don’t see the marriage even going 10 years. I’d say about 7 or 8 at the most – maybe not even that.
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:04pm
Left Right and Centre

Salim Mulla, dairy owner. Attacked.
Ok, that’s shitty, however . . .

Kaftan and ugly beard. The uniform of stone age religion.
I wouldn’t buy anything there if I could avoid it.
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March 19, 2018 7:21pm
- simpleton1
  
  But, but, but, you can be assured everything in his shop will be halal.
  
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  March 19, 2018 7:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I couldn’t care less if he is a Muslim or not. He’s owned that shop for twenty years. He’s lived, worked and served his fellow citizens and he has a right to work in safety.
  The attackers also attacked his wife.
  He’s the good guy here. We should be sticking up for him. Our politicians should be sticking up for him.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/352770/robbery-prevention-methods-not-working-dairy-owners
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:59pm
  - Kimbo
    
    You may not care he is a Muslim. Sadly, but unsurprisingly, a significant number on Kiwiblog do.
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:03pm
noskire

Hey, who remembers Corngate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dET78Z5b5s
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March 19, 2018 7:45pm
- sooty
  
  Hillbilly throwing hot buttered corn out the widows window.
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:18pm
Fletch

Lorde’s latest tour appears to be a bust.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2018/03/16/oh-lorde-pop-stars-tour-is-a-royal-bust-what-turned-everyone-off-the-grammy-flap-the-israel-boycott

She’ll probably be remembered for her one hit song.
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March 19, 2018 8:02pm
- noskire
  
  Oh, she had a hit song? Who would have known…
  
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  March 19, 2018 8:44pm
  - Kimbo
    
    …ok, so scratch that invite for noskire to Kimbo’s kick arse pub quiz team. ?
    
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    March 19, 2018 8:50pm
    - noskire
      
      I can do questions on pre-Collins Genesis though.
      
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      March 19, 2018 9:01pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Hmm. Not much of a fan of Peter Gabriel myself, but nonetheless, as 1970s prog rock may be a category we need to cover, I’ll keep your name in the mix – although I seem to recall that may be a specialist subject of the ever-desperate Longknives. ?
        
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        March 19, 2018 9:55pm
DigNap15

Two “Canadian” guys were going to steal from us!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/102404411/canadian-men-admit-atm-skimming-likely-going-to-jail

I hope they go to jail
They must be punished.
Sending them home would be a joke!
We need to send such scum a lesson!
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March 19, 2018 8:04pm
- sooty
  
  Send them home minus their nuts.
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:14pm
EAD_TWO

Well done to Putin for achieving 75% of the popular vote.

He has to be one of the most popular politicians in the world amongst those who he is elected to serve.

The West don’t help themselves with regards to his popularity. The more its Politicans and MSM attack him, the more his support rises in his homeland.

If you know the Russian people, the more their backs are against the wall and perceived to be under attack from outside threats, the more unified they become.
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March 19, 2018 8:37pm
- noskire
  
  They can tend to be a bit over the top though, especially when it comes to enforcing “Swimming Between The Flags” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqrK7XuN6zU
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:08pm
DigNap15

It really is time for the dairies to disappear.
Cigarettes are going to dissapear soon as they will be so dear.
So why do we need to worry about them or subsidise them.
Dairies just about disappeared years ago, until people from a certain sub continent worked out that their whole family could work in them for nothing and hide all their sales from the IRD.
Most middle kiwis would never visit one. We no longer call in to get a morning or Sunday paper.
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March 19, 2018 9:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Labour has released the terms of reference for the review into the sexual assault issues at the Young Labour summer camp. It will take 2-3 months, and all Labour Party members will be contacted.
https://yournz.org/2018/03/19/labour-sexual-assault-review-terms-of-reference/
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March 19, 2018 9:34pm
- nasska
  
  Blacked out with whitewash!
  
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  March 19, 2018 9:56pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep. The good job old “it would not be right or appropriate for me to comment or speculate until the review is completed” ruse.
    
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    March 19, 2018 10:11pm
Lee C

I feel used and dirty.
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