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KiWombat

We’ve reached the 40 million tree deficit mark.

Time for us to see SOMETHING !

This policy was thrust into our faces ad nauseum during the election period, now the time has come for us see some of the fruits of this promise.

We have just heard that 1 million seedlings may have been purchased, no evidence – just words. Unfortunately though, even if he was able to get these alleged seedlings into the ground this weekend, come Monday Shane will still be 40,000,000 behind. Time to put up or shut up !
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March 17, 2018 8:00am
- Awww C-mon
  
  1 million seedlings haven’t been purchased, a nursery has been given 6(?) million to ramp up facilities so they can eventually produce the seedlings…
  
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  March 17, 2018 8:07am
  - cmm
    
    The 6 million is just putting slops in the trough.
    
    The nursery is a native nursery, so the output is going to be low.
    
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    March 17, 2018 8:38am
    - Inandout
      
      Yes but marijuana grows well amongst the natives, planted by the natives.
      
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      March 17, 2018 9:01am
    - KevOB
      
      NZ grows radiata for harvesting in 23-24 years. That’s what we need for construction. Native timber planting is not going to produce crops in out lifetimes. It may be helpful to put idle youth to work but priority needs to be given to timber volume now.
      
      Shane Jones may be looking at stirring the youth into action and cutting through Maori lethargy. I wish him well in that. If they benefit we all do.
      
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      March 17, 2018 9:08am
      - sooty
        
        Be waiting a while for houses. What are they going to mport trees?
        
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        March 17, 2018 12:02pm
  - KiWombat
    
    I suppose that is one step better than spending another 6(?) million on another conversation about where the seedling are going to come from !
    
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    March 17, 2018 12:22pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/102282475/shane-jones-gives-ngti-whare-6m-to-grow-millions-of-native-trees
  
  There it is… a million a year by around 2021.
  
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  March 17, 2018 8:12am
  - sooty
    
    Then wait for them to grow.
    
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    March 17, 2018 12:03pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But Awww C-mon they will be some very expensive native trees only of benefit to the ghost town where they are raised. Again in Jones back yard as the bulk of the 1 billion p/a will be wasted.
    
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    March 17, 2018 3:49pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDYlY581VOE

Tommy Robinson Interviews Lord Pearson

“Well, its taking us down the road to fascism. It’s taking us down the road to fascism, because it’s one of the hallmarks of fascism” – Lord Pearson in response to the banning of Lauren Southern from the UK after it invoked mediaeval blasphemy laws to have her removed.
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March 17, 2018 8:06am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Actually Rodney,
  
  one point of correction – the banning from entering the UK of Lauren Southern is actually taking us down the road to Communism, not Fascism:
  
  http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2018/03/the-british-government-monsters-or.html?m=0
  
  Despite all of its faults, the one thing that would never have happened under Fascism would be the swamping of people’s ancient homelands with hostile 3rd worlders.
  
  As an example of how mass 3rd world immigration is the spearhead for Commumism, consider how the UK has forced all firms to publish “ethnicity pay gaps” to show how Blacks get paid less than the Natives (of course skills, qualifications aren’t accounted for in this blunt measurement). This is the start of Communism whereby everyone will be the same (except those who run the system of course).
  
  https://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayor/black-and-asian-workers-paid-up-to-37-less-than-white-staff-at-city-hall-a3779811.html
  
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  March 17, 2018 8:11am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Refreshing to see/hear Pearson, albeit under priviledge, speak up in the house. To hear the moans and groans from opposition was damning.
    
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    March 17, 2018 8:16am
  - Chris R
    
    In this instance the distinction between communism and fascism is perhaps irrelevant. The extreme ends of both are equally totalitarian and we are witnessing the rise of totalitarianism in the UK. It is frightening and sickening in equal measure as it seems to be the product of the narrow mindedness of the young emerging from what passes for education today.
    
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    March 17, 2018 8:57am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD TWO , the Germans certainly” swamped “their conquered lands with natives especially in the East ..
    
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    March 17, 2018 10:20am
- Kimbo
  
  Onya Rodney Randall. Stumbled across a working definition of fascism have we? Like, say, wanting the state to restrict the legal and otherwise innocuous religious practices of others…because you just plain hate ‘em?
  
  Keep taking tips from EAD. Burning synagogues, banning halal slaughter, same mentality, same ideology, same “we must keep our nation safe” justification. Oh, look, he turned up running interference and correcting you already. Nooooo, it’s not fascism, it’s ((((communism))))! ?
  
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  March 17, 2018 10:15am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Yeah Kimbo – because it is Synagogues that are the places of worship being burned down an masse – rolls eyes ??
    
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/11786802/Burning-of-Christian-churches-in-Israel-justified-far-Right-Jewish-leader-says.html
    
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    March 17, 2018 11:01am
    - Lance
      
      One quoted fuckwit does not a national policy make.
      There is no way in hell Israelis would tolerate any shit like that.
      The vast majority of Israelis hate extremists of all types. Israel is a secular state, it has far more in common with New Zealand than all the shit hole countries around it. Although I would add Jordan is way less shit hole than the others.
      
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      March 17, 2018 11:14am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        “The vast majority of Israelis hate extremists of all types”
        
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/most-israeli-jews-agree-africans-are-a-cancer/
        
        52% of Israeli Jews agree: African migrants are ‘a cancer’ with the Peace Index finding that 33% condone anti-migrant violence
        
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        March 17, 2018 11:21am
      - Kimbo
        
        No, no, Lance. Kiwis- yeah, we are allowed a multiplicity of political voices and opinions – hence Jacinda Ardern, Simon Bridges, Winston Peters, James Shaw, so that no one, even our PM does not speak for all of us
        
        …but dem sneaky Jooz, they all works together, including the crazy Orthodox Rabbis, and they are really sneaky coz they fool us stoopid goys that the political options they manipulate for us are really choices. /sarc
        
        How am I doing EAD. Summarised your “I never admit a mistake, or budge an inch” circular-reasoning information-dissemination mission? ?
        
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        March 17, 2018 11:22am
    - Kimbo
      
      Says the guy who argued Kristallnacht was “spontaneous”. ?
      
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      March 17, 2018 11:16am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        It was
        
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        March 17, 2018 11:22am
      - Kimbo
        
        So, just out of interest, and as per my previous challenges that your views are based on circular reasoning (at which point you melt away)
        
        …what hypothetical evidence would you accept as sufficient to falsify that claim, and why?
        
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        March 17, 2018 11:29am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Kimbo it appears you have never recovered from my previous Halal post:) That post and its associated text were copied from a facebook page wanting Halal certification banned. I agreed with many of the ideas espoused on that page. My concern, and it is an ongoing legitimate concern for many, is that some of the proceeds of Halal certification fund Islamic terrorism. Imam Tawhidi has confirmed this publicly. The other concern I have is that there is little to no labelling on Halal products to make it obvious to the consumer. It is deliberately hidden from unsuspecting eyes. It is blatantly obvious that manufacturers prefer the certification to remain hidden, so as not to jeopardise their returns. The entire Halal certification rort is a subversion. Your argument, that it would inflict unecessary costs onto the consumer through extra marketing and higher govt compliance costs is facile. An extra small crescent moon logo or some such other logo would be an insignificant addition to an already established digital template for print. A 1 minute job…if that.
    
    We both agree that some Muslims also view halal certification as a complete rort (not sanctioned in the Koran) so it perplexes me as to your staunch opposition to these”innocuous” religious practices as you so delicately describe them.
    
    As the government looks to make all dairy in NZ halal certified and perhaps, eventually, the transport methods, as is happening in other countries, the political influence of Islam grows.
    Step by step it grows. Separate swimming lanes, Madrassas, sharia courts…
    
    The influence if Islam and Sharia in NZ has some way to go before it reaches the political scale it has in the UK, but rest assured given the complicity of the likes of yourself and like minded politicians, its ascendancy is guaranteed.
    
    The 2018 pilot schemes are underway and more and more third worlders with their backwards stone age belief system , (a system that subjgates women to the status of mere chattel and has its own violent oppressive attitudes to homosexuals), are arriving on our shore in to take up residence on the taxpayer dime.
    Will they be persecuted Christians from Syria? Maybe a few for PR purposes.
    
    Rest assured the UN poodles in govt will bend over backwards in support of the 2018 UN Migration Compact, the UNHCR and its associated hate speech laws condemning/banning Conservative right wingers that criticise immigration policy and Islam.
    
    Now that is Totalitarianism.
    
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    March 17, 2018 11:47am
    - Kimbo
      
      Thanks, Rodney. A genuine well done for finally responding, as you likely first needed to, when I initially responded to your original post some two weeks ago. After all, you post something for discussion in General Debate, seems to me good internet etiquette dictates you hang around to debate the matter. If not you are a troll like EAD, Nukuleka or Chuck Bird.
      
      Just to clarify, when you wrote that as an atheist you had the right for the government to protect you from being offended by religious practices (in particular halal-certified food)
      
      …was that your view and/or words, or are they from the Facebook post to which you linked,
      
      …and it isn’t one of the many ideas there with which you agree.
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/general_debate_2_march_2018.html
      
      If the latter is the case, I am more than happy, despite your carelessness in failing to initially clarify, to withdraw my description that you are a fascist. Genuine offer, so ball in your court if you are interested…
      
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      March 17, 2018 12:04pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        It is most important that those who challenge Islam’s political growth, throughout the world, continue to be labelled publicly as Fascists, Nazis, Racists, and White Supremacists.
        
        Everytime this is done the veil of surripticious support for Islam is lifted for all to see.
        
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        March 17, 2018 1:00pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Rodney Randall
        
        Yeah, nah – and that was me who upticked your previous post at 11:47AM, btw, as a sign of my good faith. But, in the light of what you posted two weeks ago, and your continued objection to me using the term “fascist” to describe some of your views (one in particular), and my generous (if I don’t say so myself 😉 ) offer to retract that label
        
        …your latest post is a red-herring. Sometimes, fascists really are fascists, even if they accuse others of it and are oblivious to it in themselves.
        
        Its a simple, and I would suggest indisputable test – fascists seek to use the power of the state to restrict the legal and otherwise legitimate religious activities and freedoms of others. So, irrespective of any other legitimate objections you may have regarding halal (and you argued your specious – IMHO – case reasonably well, btw)
        
        is that what you want the state to do, so that your “atheist principles” are not offended by the presence of halal? Because its that potential belief, indeed demand that has placed the “fascist” cap on your head.
        
        So, ball still in your court to clarify sufficiently, because, contrary to your assertion
        
        It is most important that those who challenge Islam’s political growth, throughout the world, continue to be labelled publicly as Fascists, Nazis, Racists, and White Supremacists.
        
        …I’m very eager and eager to withdraw, and apologise in the event you clarify you are not indeed…a fascist.
        
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        March 17, 2018 1:12pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        “Its a (sic) simple, and I would suggest indisputable test – fascists seek to use the power of the state to restrict the legal and otherwise legitimate religious activities and freedoms of others.” – Kimbo
        
        Is this not what has occurred just recently in the UK with respect to the banning of Lauren Southern, Brittany Pettibone and Martin Sellner?
        
        Speak out against Islam and expect to be detained then banned by the British governent. Why? (for fear of offending Muslims)
        
        Remember Kimbo, Islam makes quite large claims for itself: It says it is the final and unalterable word of God and more importantly and pay particular attention to this point Kimbo…
        
        IT IS NOT TO BE CHALLENGED!!!
        
        Offend Muslims online in the UK, get arrested for hate speech crime (free speech that offends people)
        
        Do you see a pattern here Kimbo or are you blinded by your own moral abstractions?
        
        Halal certification is a rort not a religious freedom as you paint it. Nowhere in the Koran does it say that Halal certification is required. It is public knowledge that some of the proceeds go towards sponsoring Islamic terrorism. Imam Tawhidi has stated this publicly yet you continue to ignore this instead referring to more abstract religious freedoms. I support religious freedoms. I do not however support a totalitarian politicial movement masquerading as a religion with an ultimate end goal. You appear to be in total denial as to the ultimate aims of this movement.
        
        You also have a propensity to play on the word ban as a switch.
        
        I consider it a government’s duty, to to protect its citizens from invaders esp the type that choose to murder and rape infidels, and whose ultimate goal is to change the entire fabric of western civilisation by supplanting the laws of the land with their own i.e. Sharia Law. Pew research makes it clear what the average Muslim on the street feels about the advance of Sharia and its respective laws.
        
        Either you have not watched online interviews or are again in denial.
        
        We know this is happening step by step in the UK and Sweden and yet you continue to play down what is really going on.
        
        I am quite mystified by your tacit support of Islam.
        
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        March 17, 2018 5:00pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        Kimbo: You have recently made underhanded jokes about taking your wife out of Islam but not Islam out of the girl or something to that effect.
        You also went on to portray her skills with a knife, some sort of reference re. retribution towards infidels?
        
        This is concerning.
        
        I suspect you are closer to Islam than you let on despite claiming to be a Calvanist.
        
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        March 17, 2018 5:06pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Thanks Rodney. As all but fanatics such as yourself consider halal food a matter of religious freedom for its adherents, just as other religions have dietary restrictions and their means of administering them, then sorry, you are indeed a fascist. Including the “we must be kept safe” rationale, as well as denunciations, misrepresentations and questioning of the motives and patriotism of those who say it ain’t necessarily so.
        
        And just for your interest, and seeing you’ve chosen to seize upon the tongue-in-cheek comments I made concerning my wife (is an in joke in our family that she cuts the veges because, due to her superior knife skills, she won’t cut her fingers like I invariably do)
        
        …no I have little if any desire to defend Islam. While it has some points in common with Christianity, Calvinism included, it is regressive, and yes, potentially dangerous. Not to mention the ravings of an illiterate, uneducated, epileptic psychotic. I also agree that, as taught in the Koran, it, like your fascism, is antithetical and incompatible with modern liberal Western democracy. And yes, part of that is personal, in that there has been a price for my family to pay in our unavoidable engagement with it. But as you seem intent on using what I say in good faith, that’s as much as you get to know on the subject of my family circumstances.
        
        Nonetheless, when you say,
        
        I am quite mystified by your tacit support of Islam
        
        …you are not very observant as I told you why I do not want to restrict the legitimate religious of anyone. Once the state gives in to the demands of fascists such as yourself, any and every legitimate freedom, religious, non-religious, whatever is under threat. And yes, that is why the UKs refusal to grant Laura Southern entry is a mattter of extreme concern.
        
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        March 17, 2018 5:31pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        Kimbo:
        
        “potentially dangerous.” Ha!
        
        Only someone in 100% denial, would describe the spread of a totalitarian political movement worldwide, as ‘potentially’ dangerous in light of the ramped up events in the last few years. This is again mystifying, as in the same breath you agree ,in principle, that the UK government has already ‘inadvertantly’ become a slave to the suppression edicts that this movement demands! The British government has become a Islam’s political bitch!
        
        The entire system, designed to provide a defence against those which seek to supplant a nations laws, had been inverted to punish the defender and to protect the invader.
        
        “It is like watching a nation busily engaged in heaping up its own funeral pyre.” – Powell
        
        DEATH OF A NATION.
        
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        March 17, 2018 6:21pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        What is also hackneyed/trite is your approbriation of the Left’s tired vernacular, always in response to my questioning and challenging of Islam.
        
        “Fascist, Nazi, Racist, White Supremacist!”
        
        Everytime this is done the veil of surripticious support for Islam is lifted for all to see!
        
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        March 17, 2018 6:28pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Put it this way Rodney. I consider you potentially dangerous, given your fascist views and beliefs. But in spite of that I’m damned if I’m going to stand aside and let anyone stop you too enjoying the legitimate Western democratic freedoms which belong to all of us – Muslims included.
        
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        March 17, 2018 6:31pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …and while I’ve called you a fascist, and implied you have some time things in common with the historic manifestation that was the Nazis, no, I haven’t said, implied, or even thought you are a racist or white supremacist. I see no evidence of that in your posts.
        
        You know, just how if one thinks the legitimate religious freedoms of Muslims should be defended, it doesn’t automatically make one a Muslim terrorism apologist. ?
        
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        March 17, 2018 6:34pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        “But in spite of that I’m damned if I’m going to stand aside and let anyone stop you too enjoying the legitimate Western democratic freedoms which belong to all of us – Muslims included.”
        
        The Crux!
        
        And that there is where the inversion has occurred esp in the UK, and it is this inversion that you appear wilfully ignorant of for reasons unbeknown to me.
        Western democratic laws ARE being usurped.
        Sharia courts are sprouting up exonerating violent offences carried out against women.. These courts are now to being recognised overriding Western Law because we mustn’t offend.
        
        A large number of Muslims according to Pew research, do not respect Western Freedoms/Laws and actively seek to abolish them in favour of Sharia.
        New laws have been created to silence those that speak out against this madness.
        
        And yet you consider me a dangerous person?
        
        Ha!
        
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        March 17, 2018 6:51pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        ” and implied you have some time things in common”
        
        your posts are full of incoherent nonsense.
        
        Are you on medication?
        
        I could understand if that was the case.
        
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        March 17, 2018 7:00pm
      - Kimbo
        
        And yet you consider me a dangerous person?
        
        Based on your fascist beliefs stated here on Kiwiblog, yes. It’s not necessarily an either/or thing. It’s both radical Muslims, and Rodney Randall, so don’t take it too personally. ?
        
        Are you on medication?
        
        No. Are you, Mr Fascist? Given your posts are starting to break out into CAPS LOCK, it may be wise to make an appointment with a trusted medical professional. ?
        
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        March 17, 2018 7:30pm
    - Rodney Randall
      
      “It’s both radical Muslims”
      
      Ha! How did I know that false delineation was coming. The old: The majority are peaceful muslims hackneyed line dressed up in a Burqa!
      
      The peaceful majority are irrelevant!
      
      Well, maybe not according to the Pew Research Kimbo!
      
      Your average peace loving Muzzie would far prefer Sharia to be the game in town.
      This not only demonstrates vast swathes of Muslims unwillingness to respect Western laws but it also clearly shows that they favour their repressive stoneage views (views on homosexuality and women) which in case you hadn’t already realised are incompatible with the west esp the #metoo movt lol But strangely you wont find the marvellies or Mau’s ever criticising Islam. No of course not!
      
      You want friction? Import incompatible hostile people that have no intention of respecting the laws or integration for that matter.
      
      Yes there are a few that leave Islam but we all know what the peaceful punishment is for that folly!!!
      
      But keep on defending the indefensible and chucking those lefty slurs around. lol
      
      Everytime this is done, the veil of surripticious support for Islam is lifted for all to see.
      
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      March 17, 2018 8:12pm
      - Kimbo
        
        What they “prefer” is a matter of personal freedom. My good friend, here on Kiwiblog, Scott would “prefer” that the book of Genesis and a young earth were taught in the school science curriculum. In its own way that too is dangerous…but I don’t want Scott deported. Much less prohibit his right to try and propagate his ideas. Just as Muslims, and even fascists like you are free to advocate for sharia or crackdowns on halal, in the free market of ideas.
        
        But credit where it is due regarding the valid points you make, Rodney (and you may be interested to know my wife is much closer to your position than mine regarding Muslim migrants),
        
        …there is far too much pandering in the West to the fear that Muslims here or overseas may be offended (tough shit if they are) or worse, react violently (which should be opposed with the full force of the legal and security apparatus) if their faith is criticised by others exercising their freedom of speech. I am in agreement with the late Christopher Hitchens that, when Denmark suffered reprisals a number of years go due to an unfavourable cartoon of Mohammed in a Danish newspaper, every newspaper in the West should have printed a copy. Because they didn’t, and send a clear message we are prepared to defend our freedoms by non-fascist means against illegimate Islamic encroachment, it is now much more difficult to push back collectively.
        
        On a brighter note, and as per my post below, do I have your permission to nominate you as a replacement when Dame Susan Devoy ends her current tenure? We need someone with the skills to undermine and sabotage her useless office from the inside, and you seem the ideal person. Cushy Government job that suits your agenda and desire to lead the fight back. What do you reckon? ?
        
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        March 17, 2018 8:28pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        Just another quick question Kimbo and this is more of a metaphysical one given your ‘sympathetic’ Calvanistic proclivities…
        
        What might the address of your mother in law be in the afterlife? Would the address, maybe, start somewhere in the 600’s?
        
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        March 17, 2018 8:31pm
      - Kimbo
        
        As per the tenets of Calvinism, it is not the prerogative of mere creatures to speculate about whom is God’s elect, whom is not, and their eternal state. If it was, I’d be placing your post code in the range from 1933 to 1945, so just as well I don’t get to make the decision. ?
        
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        March 17, 2018 8:37pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    “What they “prefer” is a matter of personal freedom”
    
    They have the freedom to leave but of course face death if they do. This sort of ritualistic child abuse is not dissimilar to other poisoness brain washing religions. Perhaps this is why you are mildly sympathetic to their cause. “I want to be in that numbner when the Saints go marching in!”
    
    Sharia Law has already gained a foothold in parts of the UK, Sweden and Germany, due to capitulation from European governments. Under tremendous pressure not to offend the invaders they are awarded their ‘freedoms’ in exchange for peaceful integration, love and tolerance of all:)
    
    Sadly as evidenced over the last few years there have been a few hiccups or as some of us call it the Diversity Dividend.
    
    According to Lord Pearson, the dividends are causing great dissent at a grass roots level.
    This instability may well prove to be the downfall of the UK.
    
    One can live in hope as you no longer need to, being in that number and all, that the resistance will meet the aggressors swiftly and head on, before the fall of civilisation to this backwards cult.
    
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    March 17, 2018 8:56pm
    - Kimbo
      
      During the Cold War, the West prosecuted, imprisoned and, in the case of the Rosenberg, even executed communists who tried to misuse the freedoms of liberal democracy to undermine it,
      
      …while in the main preserving the right to freedom of belief for ordinary communists, and protecting their right to propagate them by legal and legitimate means. And we still won the Cold War.
      
      I’d suggest that template is still the best defence against enemies within, be they real or potential. Including the fascist wolves in sheep’s clothing. Have some fucking faith in the system you are undermining, while blustering you are trying to defend it.
      
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      March 17, 2018 9:13pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        f bombs! now now.
        Don’t blow a sphicnter Kimbo:) It’s all fun and games.
        
        “Have some fucking faith in the system you are undermining, while blustering you are trying to defend it.”
        
        Ha!
        
        You are far too generous in your praise Kimbo.
        You have elevated me to a “dangerous” “Fascist” dictator capable of undermining the ‘system’ all from here on kiwiblog. Quite remarkable!
        
        You are much too generous in your appraisal.
        
        Wonderful stuff!
        
        It could not possibly be those that seek to supplant western law with Sharia, as is already happening in parts of Europe, that are doing the undermining could it?
        
        Of course not silly billy.
        
        As an aside, I performed a cursory glance of wiki and was delighted to see that both Calvanism and Islam share a love of predestination!
        
        Plenty of common ground it would seem? Maybe worth defending? No, what is really requried is a reform of Islam or at least, as Imam Tawhidi imagines, a new interpretation, one that doesn’t include the Hadiths, Sharia Law or the Halal rort.
        
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        March 17, 2018 9:35pm
      - Kimbo
        
        As I explained before, RR, it’s not a case of either you, or the Muslim fundamentalists, but both/and, so no need to take it personally. Nor the f bomb. Sorry, didn’t take you for a milquetoast who would mak3 a big deal about it. ?
        
        And full marks on the comparative religion google search. Yes, predestination was one of the things that I had in mind when I said Calvinism shares some things in common with Islam. At first glance anyway. Dig down and the details, including the place and role of Christ as Son of God in the he mediating of the benefits of divine election are incompatible. So you were on more promising ground trolling about my wife and her family, you classy fellow. ?
        
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        March 17, 2018 9:50pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        Thanks for your friendly ear Kimbo.
        
        I have not taken any of the Fascist accusations seriously and have found them amusing and somewhat absurd:)
        
        Please continue with them.
        
        Have a great evening.
        
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        March 17, 2018 10:04pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Seems fair, seeing as I take your “Muslim terrorist apologist” shout outs as an amusing troll. Not anywhere near as good as JasonJohns, but credit where it is due, you are better than Kea/realityczech/felching straw.
        
        Anyway, thanks for the engagement. Sleep well.
        
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        March 17, 2018 10:09pm
freemark

They can’t get anyone to pick a few apples, which is comparatively easy work in logistically simple areas. How the fuck is this going to happen? Pay a living wage for stoned yoof to to lay or tramp around on hillsides in between union meetings? Yeah right…
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March 17, 2018 8:06am
- Paulus
  
  To pick any fruit requires firstly the person turn up at the appropriate time, sober and not under the influence of drugs.
  Secondly the orchard owner expects that after simple training that the fruit is correctly picked and not damaged in the process.
  To expect that the full shift is completed with all and more regulation breaks, food and drink provided (tea/coffee) at which time no drugs are consumed.
  Yes, as a one time orchardist in the BOP I have seen all this – very often deliberately so that the persons can be referred back to Winz – the object of the exercise.
  
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  March 17, 2018 8:35am
  - VicParking
    
    It’s an excuse at WINZ, Job Seeker program, to say I cant apply for this or that job because they have drug tests and I will fail.
    
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    March 17, 2018 9:31am
- wiseowl
  
  It is not easy work fm. Some people can do it some can’t.
  I had a Brazilian and a French guy picking recently and they were excellent.
  All this talk about not enough pickers is to suit the corporate sector who expect a whole swag of people to turn up for a few weeks,work the crap out of them on the minimum wage and then say fuck off thanks very much.
  
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  March 17, 2018 8:59am
peterwn

The High Court overturned a conviction where a guy ordered a pizza to be sent to another person’s address presumably to get at that person. It seems this was not the first time the accused was doing this sort of thing but there was no hard evidence. It did so because the Police by phone tricked the accused into revealing his identity and the court regarded this as unacceptable. The police had made efforts to trace the cell phone number but without success (as can be the case with prepaid sim cards). Hence if the Police did not ‘trick’ the accused, the accused would not have been brought to justice and could well have continued that inappropriate behaviour.
This is one of a string of cases where courts (backed by the Appeal Court) has effectively ‘punished’ the Police for investigation transgressions by refusing to convict or refusing to admit evidence obtained by such a transgression. However in doing so the courts are denying the victims ‘justice’ since the courts are more concerned with what the Police did than the impact of the offence on the victim. In this case there were two or even three victims – the pizza shop, the delivery driver and the person in whose name the pizza was delivered. They deserve better than this from the courts.
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March 17, 2018 8:07am
- KevOB
  
  I agree with the Courts. Without their checks the police can do as they please. It is galling to a prosecutor to lose on faulty evidence but there will be words with the officers involved about their conduct.
  
  Hopefully such cases are very rare.
  
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  March 17, 2018 9:16am
- fernglas
  
  It’s a balancing act between the need for justice to be done and the equally important need to ensure that Police operate within the scope of their powers, lawfully and without being oppressive. The seriousness of the offence is a factor, and with respect, the offence of ordering a pizza to be sent to another person’s address isn’t up there in the pantheon of criminality. Similar tactics in a class A drugs case were equally unlawful, but were allowed in as evidence because of the more serious nature of the offending
  
  And I don’t want to be pedantic, but it is called the Court of Appeal.”Appeal Court” seems to a journalistic shortcut.
  
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  March 17, 2018 9:34am
  - peterwn
    
    Consideration of the victim should also be a factor. and this is especially applicable in this instance where further repeat offending against this or other victims was possible. While one instance might be regarded as trivial continuation of this becomes serious and can adversely impact on the victim’s mental health. Given that there was no other reasonable way of identifying the offender, the judge did the balancing wrongly, the conviction should have remained even though trickery was used. Fortunately the Police had the guts to stop this nonsense even if they might have overstepped the line slightly.
    
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    March 17, 2018 10:17am
  - marcw
    
    No its not – it is the Court of Appeal doing it’s utmost to wring every possible meaning out of our laws in favour of the crims to prevent the administration of justice. There has now developed in NZ a huge gulf between justice and legal law – all at the hands of the legal “profession” who are in charge of the system run by them for them.
    
    FFS, the guy admitted he did what he was accused of doing, and it was in fact more than just pizzas – there were fake taxis ordered too, wasting more of other people’s time and money.
    
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    March 17, 2018 11:48am
oldpark

Trouble at Mill. Just been reading that Little Polly Flinders,who masquerades as “Commie Chic Comrade” Ardern,is about to tell NZs self appointed Dictator a low rent clown called Peters to think again over his mad dog plan to do a FTA with Russia.
It appears Arderns puppet masters better known as Helen Clark and Heather Simpson have told her to tell the wee pest Peters ,its not a good idea at the present time.
Maybe even that lot of has beens or never wases have realised that it was time to reel in the “here is me and who is like me” clown called Peters.
Question will be,will he comply,or is he past the point of no body tells him what to do.
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March 17, 2018 8:10am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Tell him when he’s 12 double scotches deep and then call a Muldoon style snap election press conference
  
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  March 17, 2018 8:20am
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AUSTRALIA: Royal commission bombshells – great to watch, painful to receive … Sydney Morning Herald

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/weekend-reading-17-18-march-2018/#comment-3070471 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/nz-finance-minister-hoses-rbnz-debt-income-controls/#comment-3070472

Royal Commission bombshells – great to watch, painful to receive … Sydney Morning Herald

https://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/royal-commission-bombshells-great-to-watch-painful-to-receive-20180316-p4z4py.html

… extract …

… It provides a small, but significant, glimpse, among others, of what is to come as the Hayne Commission swings into action.

Despite having been conceived as a political sop to the National Party, after this week’s explosive public hearings, the banking sector is in no doubt: Hayne means business.

After 73 separate inquiries into the finance sector in recent years, this is it. The big one. If this week is anything to go by, Australia’s banking behemoths – who oversee more than $1.6 trillion in household mortgage debt – will emerge radically reshaped as a result of this Commission’s findings. … read more via hyperlink above …

GOOGLE NEWS SEARCH
‘Australia Banking Royal Commission‘

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=australia+banking+royal+commission&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjXqc3TrPHZAhUKebwKHYzmDdkQ_AUICigB&biw=946&bih=402

ROYAL COMMISSION WEBSITE

AUSTRALIAN ROYAL COMMISSION INTO MISCONDUCT IN THE BANKING, SUPERANNUATION AND FINANCIAL SERVICES INDUSTRY

https://financialservices.royalcommission.gov.au/Pages/default.aspx
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March 17, 2018 8:13am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  NAB’s unbelievable “liar loan” scammers – MacroBusiness Australia
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/nabs-unbelievable-liar-loan-scammers/
  
  … essential viewing …
  
  ABC 7.30 Report does ‘liar loans’ and the interest-only time bomb – MacroBusiness
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abc-7-30-report-liar-loans-interest-time-bomb/
  
  ABC’s 7.30 Report last night tackled irresponsible lending by the banks, which is expected to be under the spotlight of the Banking Royal Commission today. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
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  … earlier report …
  
  AUSTRALIA: ABC’s The Business does liar loans – MacroBusiness Australia
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/
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  … Pavletich comment on thread … the Irish experience …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/#comment-3060351
  
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  March 17, 2018 8:16am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    That’s this Saturday’s GD fucked.
    
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    March 17, 2018 8:32am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
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      Zoning regulations adding hundreds of thousands dollars to price of new houses: RBA … Australian Broadcasting Corporation …
      
      Zoning regulations adding hundreds of thousands dollars to price of new houses: RBA – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
      
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-08/zoning-regulations-adding-fortune-to-land-prices/9527882
      
      Fancy handing over an extra $500,000 for your brand new house just because government regulations restrict the supply of land for property
      
      No? Too bad, because that is the effective tax extracted for the average new house-and-land package in Sydney due to the impact of zoning regulations.
      
      It’s not just Sydney. … read more via hyperlink above …
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      Back early 2005 … 13+ years ago … I explained in $ terms, the whopping differences at the time between Houston and Sydney … within the 1st Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey …
      
      International Housing Affordability Rankings: Pavletich Properties Press Release
      
      http://www.demographia.com/dhi-pavrls.htm
      
      Demographia: International Housing Affordabilty: February 2005 Issue
      
      http://www.demographia.com/dhi-200502.htm
      
      … extract …
      
      … Lets compare Houston, USA and Sydney, Australia. Expressed in local currencies, the median household incomes for both cities were, during 2004 ( in local currencies ) $50,400 and $57,100, with median house prices of $138,350 and $505,000 respectively. So it would take 8.8 years of median household income for a Sydneyite to purchase a median priced home, but just 2.7 years of median household income for an Houstonian.
      
      Expressed another way, if the Sydneyite on the median household income, was to get the same deal as her counterpart in Houston, she should only be required to pay 2.7 times her household income of $57,100 – that is $154,170 ( $57,100 x 2.7 ), some $350,830 ( $505,000 – $154,170 ) less than she is currently forced to pay. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      March 17, 2018 8:40am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQA6yyt-mfqBkVS1UxItg1ODha2eQ2H11LiQHFGh4mv1WDLXIpXw3QS4Oto-Q
        
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        March 17, 2018 8:54am
      - wiseowl
        
        Hugh
        An immigration rate of 300,000 a year is what is stuffing Australia.
        Just like here.
        Deal with the demand side.I suggest you watch Credlin.
        
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        March 17, 2018 9:02am
    - stigie
      
      Fuck Hugh !!
      
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      March 17, 2018 9:28am
  - VicParking
    
    Hugh, Stop responding to your own Comments. Yes I know you are the only person who, reads them, understands them or likes them. It’s just Comment masturbation, get a goat like Stephie.
    
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    March 17, 2018 9:36am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
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      NO WONDER THE TORIES ARE WEARING IT … BY INCREASINGLY GETTING THROWN OUT OF POLITICAL OFFICE …
      
      Gallup Survey: worker apathy now a global epidemic
      
      https://www.michaelwest.com.au/gallop-survey-worker-apathy-now-a-global-epidemic/
      
      When the US Gallup organisation published the results of its 2017 ‘State of the Global Workplace’research, it focussed a laser-sharp light on the reality of an appalling lack of staff disinterest and work apathy around the world. Peter Mills reports.
      
      The headline finding in the 142 country study, is that only 15 per cent of workers globally, or roughly one in eight “are psychologically committed to their jobs and likely to be making a positive contribution to their organisations” or “showing up with the enthusiasm and motivation to be highly productive”. The remainder, are either ‘disengaged or actively disengaged”. A staggering 86 per cent of the workforce here in Australia, self-nominate as disengaged and lacking almost anything resembling commitment. World class.
      
      But is anyone really surprised? The never ending “restructuring “ and retrenchments over the past three decades – the senior management go-to solution for hitting short term financial goals and hence their own personal bonus targets, has left those still standing, feeling both apathetic and cynical. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      March 17, 2018 11:09am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        PANICKED BRITISH TORIES HIRING TWEETERS BY THE HUNDREDS …
        
        Tories hire army of tweeters to take social media fight to Labour … UK Telegraph (behind paywall)
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/02/24/tories-hire-army-tweeters-take-social-media-fight-labour/
        
        The Conservative Party is hiring an army of paid tweeters to take on Jeremy Corbyn’s supporters on social media, the Telegraph can disclose.
        
        Brandon Lewis, the new Tory chairman, is recruiting hundreds of staff across the country in a bid to dramatically increase the party’s online presence and marshal groups of volunteers “on the ground” in every constituency.
        
        The attempt to “professionalise” the Tories’ campaign operation comes amid fears among senior Tories that the party faces disastrous results in May’s local authority elections. … (behind paywall) … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        … Recent reports …
        
        THE BRITISH HOUSING CRISIS & LIKELY POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES (REPEATING NEW ZEALAND’S RECENT ELECTION EXPERIENCE) …
        
        Tories fear middle-class millennials priced out of housing market could sink party at next election … UK Telegraph (behind paywall)
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/16/millennials-middle-incomes-half-likely-homeowners-1990s/
        
        Young middle-class professionals are half as likely to get on the housing ladder as they were 20 years ago, a new study has found as Tory MPs warned that the issue is an “iceberg” that could sink the party at the next election.
        
        A report by the Institute for Fiscal Studies said that just one in four young middle-income families now owns their own home, down from two in three in the 1990s. read more via hyperlink above …
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        Middle-income millennials priced out of homes market … Institute of Fiscal Studies Report … Financial Times
        … google search title to access if blocked…
        
        https://www.ft.com/content/024b1282-1236-11e8-940e-08320fc2a277
        
        Ownership among young adults has ‘collapsed’, says IFS report … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        March 17, 2018 11:24am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        AUCKLAND & NEARBY AUCTION RESULTS … A SHOCKER …
        
        Buyers were more cautious at Bayleys’ latest auctions with sales on just under 25% of properties auctioned | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/92665/buyers-were-more-cautious-bayleys-latest-auctions-sales-just-under-25-properties
        
        The overall sales rate dipped to just under a quarter at Bayleys Real Estate’s latest residential property auctions.
        
        Bayleys marketed 49 residential properties for sale at auctions in Auckland, Hamilton and Rotorua over the last week and sold 12 of them, giving an overall clearance rate of 24%.
        
        The remaining 38 were mostly passed in for sale by negotiation, with a handful having their auction dates postponed.
        
        The bulk of the action was in Auckland where 38 properties were up for grabs and sales were achieved on nine. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        March 17, 2018 12:03pm
      - VicParking
        
        Man you love a good wank Hugh
        
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        March 17, 2018 12:20pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        So do I so long as it is someone else hand (/ foot)
        
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        March 17, 2018 1:14pm
Manolo

Utterly shameful manipulation:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/personalfinance/law-change-to-grant-170-pacific-islanders-nz-super/ar-BBKjfBS

Foreign Affairs Minister Winston Peters has said the government would drop the latter requirement for superannuation and the veterans pension.
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March 17, 2018 8:14am
- marcw
  
  Can anyone say what the rate of NZ Superannuation will be for these islanders? Will it be the NZ rate, or will it be 60% of the adult island wage? Because it’s a huge difference, and if it’s the NZ rate that will make these people, who have never paid NZ tax or set foot in NZ, among the ‘richest pricks’ in the South Pacific.
  
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  March 17, 2018 11:56am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand it will be the same as New Zealand Super.
    
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    March 17, 2018 1:34pm
Southern Raider

Has that abusive group of fuckwits in Howick been shot yet for covering up continual abuse of a baby?

Where is Jacinda on this?

16 fractures in 4 months. These fucks should be put in a pen with the mongrel mob and see how they feel about abuse of power
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March 17, 2018 8:20am
- Awww C-mon
  
  You realise when she wanted to reduce poverty, she meant her own.
  
  The same as the mistake of her being called the minister for children, the correct title is that the minister is a child.
  
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  March 17, 2018 8:30am
- G152
  
  The Mongrel Mob may not be the force you think they are in this case.
  Cuzzie
  
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  March 17, 2018 9:26am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  One of daughters, together with our six month old granddaughter, was with us for a few days. What a delightful little girl. Then the radio broadcast details if the Howick tragedy. My wife, the devoted grand mother, had to change stations as the news was so upsetting.
  In despair she asked; in the animal kingdom is there any other mammalian mother that can allow her offspring to be treated in such a barbaric manner?
  
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  March 17, 2018 10:44am
- igm
  
  We have an unelected PM parading a illegimate bulge in front of media (who comply) at every opportunity, in her quest to promote unmarried, immoral behaviour as acceptable, being part of the Labour ideology and lifestyle of their supporters.
  
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  March 17, 2018 11:11am
  - Que Sera Sera
    
    Are you suggesting that two people living in a de facto relationship is illegal in this country ?
    
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    March 17, 2018 1:59pm
- Longknives
  
  “These fucks should be put in a pen with the mongrel mob..”
  
  They most probably are Mongrel Mob (or another Maori Gang)
  In which case it will be high fives all round and ‘Kia Kaha my Bro’..
  
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  March 17, 2018 11:57am
EAD_TWO

Great speech by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban – the speech of a leader who is in touch with people he serves. Contrast this with the airheaded platitudes, hysteronics and screeches of a Trudeau, Arden, May or the bombast of a Trump.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03/16/hungarian-prime-minister-not-halt-immigration-borders-consumed/

“They want us to hand it over to foreigners coming from other continents, who do not speak our language, and who do not respect our culture, our laws or our way of life: people who want to replace what is ours with what is theirs.

“What they want is that henceforward it will increasingly not be we and our descendants who live here, but others. There is no exaggeration in what I have just said. Day by day we see the great European countries and nations losing their countries: little by little, from district to district and from city to city.

“The situation is that those who do not halt immigration at their borders are lost: slowly but surely they are consumed.

“External forces and international powers want to force all this upon us, with the help of their allies here in our country. And they see our upcoming election as a good opportunity for this.”

Just pause and reflect on how mad the situation has become in the West that speaking such common sense would feel like a revolutionary speech if spoken by one of our so called “leaders”
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March 17, 2018 8:23am
- DigNap15
  
  He is my hero!
  And I’m not even Hungarian
  Fuck Merkel etc
  
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  March 17, 2018 9:53am
- Lance
  
  ED2… hating Trump now are we?
  
  More popcorn needed
  
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  March 17, 2018 11:20am
KiWombat

“One minute I was a clapped-out, two-guinea, legal-aid lawyer, and the next minute I was in parliament.”
David Lange

Looks like history is repeating itself !
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March 17, 2018 8:31am
- JibberJabber
  
  David “Plead Guilty” Lange.
  
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  March 17, 2018 8:38am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  At least Lange had some work experience other than ‘one scoop or two’ as demonstrated by the latest labour party debacle
  
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  March 17, 2018 8:45am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Except Lange actually had a vocation.
  
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  March 17, 2018 8:56am
Manolo

A very brave prediction:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/larry-kudlow-predicts-4-5-growth-investment-boom

Larry Kudlow, picked to be President Trump’s new economic adviser, has privately told the White House that the nation’s economy is on the verge of 4 to 5% growth, or more than double the last decade.
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March 17, 2018 8:38am
- virtualmark
  
  Appointing Larry Kudlow to be your economic advisor is like appointing William Shatner as Secretary of the Navy.
  
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  March 17, 2018 9:15am
  - Harkman
    
    Kudlow ran the CBO in the mid 1980s.
    
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    March 17, 2018 7:17pm
flipper

It is good to see some progress on the Manawatu-Hawkes Bay road link.
The things that stand out so far, in the form of questions put to a senior, and experienced geological engineer with knowledge of the situation – and his answers in bold.:
1. No start before 2020 – year and a bit away…not bad
2. Four years to complete — that’s fast for a highway
3. MUCH better gradients – yes, not going so high
4. No cost yet – about 450-550 m$
5. Will Pahiatua track be upgraded. – not part of the deal…its a new road between Saddle Road and the gorge (i.e. north of gorge)
6. Is the geology better ? – about same as Saddle Road in soft Tertiary rock mainly – not greywacke, no steep slopes like in the gorge
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March 17, 2018 8:43am
- Inandout
  
  Anyone in the NZ road construction business who can compare these figures from the US?
  
  https://midwestepi.org/2017/05/03/what-are-road-construction-costs-per-lane-mile-in-your-state/
  
  They seem a lot cheaper than NZ.
  
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  March 17, 2018 9:07am
  - DigNap15
    
    We know where not to go if we need a bridge built!
    (Maimi)
    
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    March 17, 2018 9:55am
Keeping Stock

Great Emmerson cartoon this morning of the possums in the headlights. I’m guessing it was drawn to capture the moment just before Ardern threw Peters under the bus…

https://twitter.com/rodemmerson/status/974719522241302528
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March 17, 2018 8:48am
- RF
  
  That one is a keeper to be framed….
  
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  March 17, 2018 9:31am
Harkman

Good old StephieBoy gave a classic display of rank partisan hypocrisy yesterday.

At 12:50PM:

“dime , relax a police investigation is underway including a Labour Party intihated one .

In NZ there is such a thing as the due process and the rule of law .

Not a lynch mob trial .”

So here he is pushing the innocent until proven guilty for the Labour member.

But for President Trump @ 1:12 PM only 22 minutes later,

“Manolo , you would be wrong there ,

If Trump has nothing to hide, why are Republicans undermining the Russia investigation?On Wednesday, before flying to Davos, the president told reporters at the White House that he would happily testify under oath to special counsel Robert Mueller. “I am looking forward to it, actually,” Trump said. “Here is the story: There has been no collusion whatsoever. There is no obstruction whatsoever. And I am looking forward to it.””

“Trump also tried to spin the many actions he has taken to hobble the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election………Of course, there is a growing body of evidence that Trump has obstructed justice. Trump admitted that he fired James Comey as FBI director because of “this Russia thing.””

So nobody at all has found any Trump collusion with Russia (all the legal scholars have said it is not a crime anyhow), so SB is now charging Trump with firing Comey as obstruction of justice, but all legal scholars have said President Trump is constitutionally allowed to fired the FBI director.
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March 17, 2018 8:57am
- stephieboy
  
  Harkman , the rule of law and due process states that even the US President is entitled to a hearing and give evidence his defence
  
  The Mueller investigation still has some time to go !
  
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  March 17, 2018 1:20pm
Harkman

Last night I was at the Big Shot event in central Chch, watching Dame Val and Tom Walsh in full form. Now each thrower has 6 throws with about 11 throwers competing, anyhow sometime during round 2 or 3 I noticed Duncan Webb turn up with his Labour jacket on. Oh Lord how crass. Anyhow he, a few minutes later after he tried doing selfies, up and left after one round. Not staying to see who won. He got pics of 6-7 throws and was gone. Man this guy is fake, and I noticed it on his FB and Twitter pages that night he was at the Big Shot. I noticed that his FB and Twitter pages were littered with multiculturalism as well, great another plonker.
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March 17, 2018 9:09am
- RF
  
  A socialist prick that promises much but delivers zilch.
  
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  March 17, 2018 9:33am
- KiWombat
  
  There’s a certain Auckland Councillor that does the same – appears just long enough to get a photo or five, then can’t be seen for the dust.
  
  She can always say that she was at an event because she has the pictures to prove it, unfortunately rarely stays long enough for anybody to notice her !
  
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  March 17, 2018 10:49am
Suze Wainwright

Has anyone heard from SPLOOGE lately – esp. re the YL antics? Hmmm, my lips are sealed…
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March 17, 2018 9:09am
- stigie
  
  Best Splurge stay away from here about what is going on with the COL. With the princess not giving a shit about the disasters in Nelson and West Coast in the same time splashing our taxpayer money around the Pacific Islands, i think Splurge realizes he’s better to stick to his toy yacht and play with his Audi in the sandpit !~
  
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  March 17, 2018 9:48am
  - Happychappy
    
    Is that where Muttonhead and SPLOOGE dream up all their fantasy’s to post on Kiwiblog then stigie.
    
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    March 17, 2018 10:12am
Southern Raider

Looks like South Africa has turned another corner, for the worst.

This week saw another flood of SA’s enquiring about jobs. Many also explained the reasons why (safety of young families).

Will Jacinda request immigration NZ to look at special “refugee” visas like Australia is looking to do?
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March 17, 2018 9:15am
- DigNap15
  
  I hope so.
  We need more good hard working people.
  No more muslims and no black (lek the sum they have in Melbourne)
  
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  March 17, 2018 9:57am
  - Viking2
    
    And no more arrogant saffa’s either.
    
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    March 17, 2018 1:41pm
- mikenmild
  
  I’d be a little bit uncomfortable with accepting these people until they are declared refugees. Even then, most of our refugee quote is filled from the Asia-Pacific region.
  They can still apply for entry with the rest of the skilled migrants.
  
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  March 17, 2018 10:17am
- SPC
  
  President Cyril Ramaphosa told parliament on Wednesday afternoon there would be no land grabs.
  
  In his first question-and-answer session since taking over from Jacob Zuma, he said: “We will not allow land grabs. We will not allow land invasion – because it is illegal. It begins to violate rights of other South African citizens.”
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-43403408
  
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  March 17, 2018 10:33am
Happychappy

Good to see a group of academics and political scientists getting together and codeming Winston Firsts Waka Jumping Bill and relaying their thoughts on the damage it could do to NZ Politics and our system.
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March 17, 2018 9:15am
peterwn

Great news for some UK Foreign Service staff. Russia is to expel some UK diplomats in retaliation for UK expelling Russian diplomats. Has not Russia learned? It is unedifying for the Russians for the expelled UK diplomats to be seen grinning from ear to ear as they board the plane wondering whether they are going to get Wellington or Canberra next.
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March 17, 2018 9:25am
holysheet

What’s the difference between a Northern and a Southern Fairy Tale?

The Southern Fairy Tale begins with “Once upon a time…” The Northern Fairy Tale begins with “You MOFOS ain’t gonna believe this shit…”
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March 17, 2018 9:56am
DigNap15

You’ve got to hand it to the Russian Foreign minister.
He really knows how to answer every question with an opposite statement.
EG you prove it came from us!
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March 17, 2018 9:59am
- Andrei
  
  When you make an accusation you need to back it with evidence
  
  It is fundamental actually – you don’t have to prove your innocence it is up to the accuser to show your guilt
  
  History is full of lynch mobs acting irrationally on vague accusations
  
  I think this will lead to war – a war ignited by a stupid woman in a job well above her pay grade who shot off her mouth before she knew the facts
  
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  March 17, 2018 10:19am
  - SPC
    
    You think this will lead to war … seriously … between who and where?
    
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    March 17, 2018 11:59am
- Manolo
  
  No doubt about it. Mr Lavrov is a top-notch diplomat.
  
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  March 17, 2018 10:20am
- Andrei
  
  The Russian Federation has opened their own investigations into the attempted murder of Yulia Skripal and the death of Nikolai Glushkov on the basis these two individuals are citizens of the Russian Federation
  
  It will be interesting to see what co-operation they get from the British authorities
  
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  March 17, 2018 10:31am
  - Lance
    
    Snigger
    
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    March 17, 2018 4:00pm
Anne Glen Eden

There’s a lot I can agree with in what Lizzie Marvelly has written in the NZH. At least she’s coming from a better space than the wretchedly compromised MSM, lawyers, business people, and politicians.

While the MSM should show greater sensitivity to victims of abuse, sexual assault, and sexual harassment, that only applies to the ‘shaming’ of them on behalf of their political masters. They need to be keeping it in the public eye and confronting it to stop it – if they have any genuine desire to redress our disgusting social statistics. Those statistics represent only the ‘undisguised’ results, mostly at the lower socioeconomic end of the scale; the groups in society who can be safely designated ‘them’, not ‘us’.

The statistics, which I think are underestimated, sound bad enough: “In New Zealand, 24 per cent of women and 6 per cent of men will experience sexual violence during their lives.” The reality is that, on a population of 5 million, that equates to 30% of NZers – or 1,500,000 human beings.
Her further statistics: “Only an estimated 9 per cent of sexual assaults are reported. Only 31 per cent of reported sexual assaults make it to the prosecution stage. Only 13 per cent of sexual assault cases result in a conviction.” Those translate to: 135,000 are reported; 41,850 are prosecuted; and 5,440 of those prosecutions succeed. Out of 1,500,000 human ‘prey’. How many ‘predators’? Not that many, sure. Predators have lots of victims each. But more than enough.

She’s REALLY right in saying: “Sexual violence is an epidemic. Where is the outbreak response?…. there’s plenty that we could do to tackle the problem head on, but despite obvious evidence of the scope of the issue, we remain suspiciously lethargic in our response.”

And ‘we’ are, very lethargic. Mostly because the predators, and those who allow them to continue to operate, are in the same class as Andrew Kirton (and I’m not suggesting he’s a predator but I’m absolutely sure he, and his wife, know it goes on, if only in the Labour party). These are the people, like Harvey Weinstein, who:
“He’s one of our best, a serious talent… is a first-class general secretary…Described by those in the party as smart, personable, empathetic and very capable, he is widely seen as someone who would make a great MP…already being marked as a good political operator by 2005, when he co-chaired the NZ University Students’ Association with Camilla Belich, who is now his wife and mother of their two daughters…Belich, who is also a member of the Labour Party, is a lawyer for Bartlett Law…The high-flying couple are seen as having great political potential, fuelling speculation that both of them could become Labour MPs…It’s a very serious thing because some people have been mistreated. But knowing Andrew, he would have been guided at all times by doing the right thing for the victims as he understood it.”

Yeah, right. I’m sure both he and his wife would have no problem outing the extensive abusive systems amongst the ‘respectable’ in our community, from the cradle to the grave, but especially from adolescence up. Not. He hasn’t done too well at Labour summer camp. All, of course, in the name of protecting the ‘victims’. Rubbish. They’re protecting the predators and those who protect them.

The Russell McVeagh et al inquiry is life imitating art. The lastest Scandal episode is about the same system applying amongst Washington political interns. But the US is the ‘land of the free’. NZ is the land of the ‘prey’.

NZ has specialised in normalising deviancy because when people are turned into sexual ‘prey’, it is deviant and has consequences for them mentally, emotionally, and physically. We liberalise abortion to deal with the ‘mistakes’ more easily; and prostitution to make people feel ‘better’ about themselves. Young, gay men are encouraged to participate in state-sponsored porn parades with the height of their annual calendar being to attend 14-hour sex parties where their penis can be objectified with ‘pride’, heterosexuals invited to gaze in admiration of their ‘performance’. And the public should be reinforcing it all by being forced to walk over Rainbow crossings in celebration, with the same ‘pride’. ‘We’ don’t know where healthy boundaries are anymore – and God help anyone who tries to say so.

The lethargic response to the ‘epidemic outbreak’ of sexual violence is because all the boundaries have been blurred in the name of ‘liberalism’ and ‘progression’. The result is the worst rates of domestic violence and abuse in the world, teen suicide, mental health problems, epidemic alcohol and drug issues with those only too ready to provide and use them for ‘comfort’, and STDs.

Good on Lizzie Marvelly. She has to contend against those who claim this is all ‘good fun’, the ‘perks of the job’, positively indulging the ‘dirty side’ of human nature, ‘normal’ sexual experimentation, ‘finding a wife’. But the problem very definitely should cease to be hidden. It’s time the victims started standing up with ‘pride’ to stop their abuse and time the wider society started supporting them instead of accusing them of being some sort of anal moralists which is how they’re usually portrayed.

Children and youth, in particular, need to be hearing the message and acting in their own best interests to stop it instead of sliding into an increasingly black hole of despair.
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March 17, 2018 10:39am
- VicParking
  
  You lost me after he first eleven words
  
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  March 17, 2018 12:27pm
  - Longknives
    
    I was scrolling and “Good on Lizzie Marvelly” caught my eye.
    Downtick from me.
    
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    March 17, 2018 1:03pm
  - Peter
    
    Also got 11 words in, then scrolled….
    
    Phone. Hook. Off.
    
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    March 17, 2018 1:09pm
- mandk
  
  Is it you or Marvelly suggesting that 24% of women and 6% of men equates to 30% of NZers?
  
  Shouldn’t that be ~15%?
  
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  March 17, 2018 1:07pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Arithmetic isn’t Lizzies strong point.
    
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    March 17, 2018 8:35pm
BlueGriffon

There’s quite a few good comments on this story
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102327471/jacinda-ardern-has-political-capital-to-burn-but-labour-shouldnt-squander-it

Better read them before they get deleted. The best one is about the tour guides saying the government won’t last the year. Really!

Stuff lefty commenters are getting very upset lately as there aren’t enough lefty trolls to vote down the anti-Stardust comments.

Good times!
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March 17, 2018 10:53am
- MrTips
  
  Lol. Your tour guides one got deleted. The Stuff Labour troll farm are concerned aren’t they?
  
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  March 17, 2018 12:33pm
  - BlueGriffon
    
    So it did! But here it is, I hadn’t refreshed the page:
    “Alien
    i disagree, she has no political capital to burn. When the tour guides at parliament are telling people you will have a new government before the year is out you know there are huge problems. When the rumours are flying around parliament about ** health, it’s fun knowing a mp there, the gossip is juicy. and lets not forget the twitter exploding about an Emirates air hostess and **. No this woman has no political capital, she was a freak of the election that has no experience like all the people behind her and is relying on an ill pensioner to guide her. there is so much about this government starting to come out that they are in massive problems, this sex camp is just the tip of it”
    
    I’ve hashed some parts, but we all know what they refer to!
    
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    March 17, 2018 12:48pm
    - mandk
      
      I must be out of the loop, BG, because I have no idea what/who the Emirates air hostess thing is about.
      
      Can you give me a hint?
      
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      March 17, 2018 1:03pm
      - lifesgood
        
        There is one very angry dumped air hostess. A certain MP’s partner is now on a very tight leash. He has a reputation.
        
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        March 17, 2018 1:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        An Emirates Air hostess has just come to an untimely end.
        Emirates flight attendant dies after fall from plane in Uganda
        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-43428097
        
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        March 17, 2018 4:07pm
      - RF
        
        It’s the worst kept secret. I heard it was being discussed in the Wellington Koru Lounge a few days ago so I am waiting for the media to earn their money.
        
        If it’s true we will be the laughed at throughout the world.
        
        Did I hear someone snort.
        
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        March 17, 2018 9:08pm
RF

Recently Ardern has failed in the leadership stakes and has proven to be a very weak figurehead.

Her minders will be desperate to portray her as a leader so watch for some dramatic news in the next 24 hours.

I pick she will send someone from the Russian Embassy home. A soft touch that can be later reversed.

It’s all about politics & perception.
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March 17, 2018 11:08am
Maggy Wassilieff

Pete George sums up Jacinda Ardern’s effort on The Nation.

She is adept at sounding strong and clear, but being vague.

“Let me be very clear about this. This is something we are working on and I can’t give you those answers at the moment.”
https://yournz.org/2018/03/17/ardern-on-the-nation-2/
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March 17, 2018 11:21am
- Longknives
  
  Yep.
  This ‘Open and completely Transparent’ Government (as she was claiming during the Election) is actually the shadiest,most secretive Government we have ever had…
  I detest Ardern.
  
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  March 17, 2018 12:02pm
- niggly
  
  Came across this “News of New Zealand” review of Jacinda on the Nation … hilarious put-downs but at the same time down-right scary reminding us that this person is our PM (PM Select though, of course)!
  
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  March 17, 2018 12:27pm
  - niggly
    
    Whoops didn’t put the link in:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/GeoffsNewsofNZ
    
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    March 17, 2018 12:40pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Hey scrolled down and saw this???
      
      WTF?? Anybody know who, what, where, when, (never mind how and why) we probably know the answers to those two!
      
      OH SHIT! NOT GOOD FOR SOMEONE NEWS:
      Just recieved reports of a story involving a certain partner of a certain NZ political leader who has been having a certain affair with a certain air hostess from a certain international airline.
      She was dumped recently & we hear shes PISSED!!
      
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      March 17, 2018 3:48pm
      - sooty
        
        Like that’s going to turn out well.
        
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        March 17, 2018 10:25pm
- stephieboy
  
  M W,
  
  “She is adept at sounding strong and clear, but being vague.”
  
  A politician in other words !
  
  He knows nothing; and he thinks he knows everything. That points clearly to a political career.”
  
  ― George Bernard Shaw, Major Barbara
  
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  March 17, 2018 12:42pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’ve met a few politicians.. and would-be politicians.
    They are not all vacuous marshmallow fluffs.
    
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    March 17, 2018 2:29pm
Happychappy

I thought when Winston Peters was negotiating to form the next Government that it was stressed that everybody from their Executive to MPs had a say on how the Party came to making decisions.Well I would like to know why we have heard nothing from the Foreign Minister, Party Leader or Deputy Leader of NZ First over the reason a coalition deal demanded by NZ First in their contract with Labour agreeing to have a trade deal with Russia has been broken. Now because Winston has obviously spat the dummy and is not prepared to front the Media rescinding earlier statements he has been suggesting about Russia why hasn’t the Deputy Leader or Party President fronted and cleared up the irresponsible statements Peters made days before Labour announced all trade deals with Russia will not proceed. This either shows you Peters is the only one that runs Winston First Party or the majority of the MP’s cower to his decisions.
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March 17, 2018 12:25pm
- stigie
  
  Ask Dad Happychappy….the silence is deafening !~
  
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  March 17, 2018 12:30pm
stephieboy

Yesterday the 50th anniversary of the My Lai massacre ,

The massacre that touched NZ and changed a war

Fifty years ago today, an American massacre of Vietnamese civilians created outrage around the world. University of Auckland’s Liam Appleton retells the story and explains the complicated legacies of the My Lai Massacre that also touched New Zealand.

On the morning of March 16, 1968, American soldiers massacred as many as 504 civilians in a small settlement known on US Army maps as My Lai. Almost all of them were old men, women and children. Scenes and accounts of the atrocity intensified worldwide condemnation of an already divisive and evermore unpopular American war effort in Vietnam, and New Zealand was not left out.

American Vice President Spiro Agnew briefly visited New Zealand in January 1970, not long after the massacre became public knowledge. A large group of young marchers descended upon his Auckland hotel, where they conducted a raucous protest until around 200 police arrived and violently removed them shortly before midnight. In May 1971, police likewise blocked a small group of protestors dressed as bloodied Vietnamese peasants at an Auckland parade by the returning 161st Battery…..”

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/03/15/96963/the-massacre-that-touched-nz-and-changed-a-war

Least we forget !
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March 17, 2018 12:41pm
- simpleton1
  
  Lest we forget.
  
  Instructive on a larger scale is the contrast between the coverage of the American massacre at My Lai and the Viet Cong massacre at Hue. At My Lai, a junior American officer allowed his men to kill dozens of presumably uninvolved farmers in full violation of standing orders.
  At Hue, the former imperial capital, the Viet Cong killed several thousand community leaders, including a number of Europeans, in accordance with standing orders to “destroy the bourgeoisie.”
  The U.S. military’s attempt to suppress reports of the My Lai massacre, of course, made it even worse when the story was finally released by the Dispatch News Agency, a curious organization that came into existence in Viet Nam with unknown financial backing and vanished once its purpose of opposing the war had brought Hanoi victory. But the Hue massacre was, somehow, uninteresting. Few correspondents reported that clear signal of the real policies the North Vietnamese would pursue once they had conquered the South.
  
  By the same token, American restraint was not news, even to the experienced correspondents, because it was a “non-event.” Flying in a command helicopter of the Ninth Division over the Mekong Delta, another U.S. correspondent and I heard the brigade commander countermand his battalion commander’s order to the infantry and the helicopter gunships to attack some 100 enemy who were pouring out of a surrounded village, still firing.
  
  “Do not, repeat do not, attack,” the colonel directed. “They’re using women and children as shields.”
  
  Neither my colleague nor myself thought the incident worth reporting; that was a palpable error of judgment induced by the atmosphere in which we were working. If the Ninth Division had killed the civilians, we would have filed copiously.
  http://academics.wellesley.edu/Polisci/wj/Vietnam/Readings/elegant.htm
  
  Lest we forget the other terror in that war.
  
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  March 17, 2018 2:04pm
  - Jack5
    
    Least we forget, too, the two million or so Vietnamese who fled the new communist regime in their country between the end of the war and 1995.
    
    They suffered thirst, hunger, and many were drowned, raped or murdered by the same type of pirate scum who have been trying to flood Australia with economic gatecrashers.
    
    I notice Appleton doesn’t mention Hugh Thompson, the US Army helicopter pilot who landed and halted the My lai massacre by threatening to open fire on his fellow countrymen.
    
    To balance the anti-Americanism of the Newsroom article that our Stephiestani poster wallows in, here is an article that outlines Thompson’s heroism:
    
    http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-wiener-my-lai-hugh-thompson-20180316-story.html
    
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    March 17, 2018 5:18pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Unfortunately in war atrocities occur, no matter who is involved. It is pointless trying to score political points by highlighting the atrocities perpetuated by one country. There is no point in trying to create a balance sheet and declare one country more moral than another. The My Lai Massacre was wrong. But it was one lieutenant who was deranged and a platoon of soldiers that refused to follow their moral compass. British submarine captains shot survivors of sinking German ships in cold blood as they could not take prisoners. POWs were executed after escaping, Americans shot Germans surrendering in the Battle of the Bulge, most German POWs never returned from Russia, Hiroshima and Nagasaki happened. Its easy now to sit back and condemn, but none of us were there, few of us have done Military training, even fewer have seen first hand the horrors of the battle field. Don’t judge. . remember and pray it never happens again.
  
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  March 17, 2018 7:27pm
DigNap15

Its was very sad.
But don’t forget the context, the USA and its allies were trying to hold back communism.
Their soldiers were also being ambushed by old men, women and children.
Sadly we still have some communists alive.
Maduro, Ardern, Little, Stephieboy.
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March 17, 2018 1:25pm
MH

Sweden had mandatory military service (Swedish: värnplikt) for men between 1901 and 2010. … On March 2, 2017, the Swedish government decided to reintroduce military conscription, meaning 4,000 men and women will be called up for service from 1 January 2018. Interesting, do they know something that we don’t? But if brought up here…even our own regulars would be upset. Waste of budget etc etc. We no longer mix as a race of NZers (formerly virtual two types-Maori/PI and European)-either at rugby or schools, we have a de facto socio/racial divide. The military might be the only organisation that forces co-operation and integration/assimilation between us all.
Any Swedish deserters here?
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March 17, 2018 1:40pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Speaking of Sweden, this is only for those with a strong stomach.
  (And Stephieboy
  
  http://allthatstreaming.com/media/ats/video/sweden-multi-cultural-utopia.mp4
  
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  March 17, 2018 3:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This morning there’s another vicious attack on a dairy owner in Hamilton.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12014791
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March 17, 2018 2:18pm
- DigNap15
  
  If they tax coke etc they will be robbing dairies even more.
  
  Don’t worry the police will catch them, and they will get a warning from the judge.
  
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  March 17, 2018 4:04pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The Herald is reluctant to provide a description of the perpetrators, even though it has information about the South Korean owner (who was concerned about getting into trouble if he injured one of the perpetrators defending his property).
  
  “The former accountant said he believed this morning’s robbers were teenagers, describing them as “skinny” but stronger than him.”
  
  Maybe they weren’t Polynesian, then…
  
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  March 17, 2018 4:11pm
  - MH
    
    some weeks ago NZ Herald had a report about 3 Caucasians creating car mayhem. Did they continue in same vein later…..
    
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    March 17, 2018 4:44pm
  - GoVege
    
    They were probably Maori then, Odakyu-sen.
    Pacific Island mums tend to feed their children well.
    When I read about horrific crimes like this, or the 19 year old in today’s Herald who raped and murdered a 69 year old Chinese lady, I always want to know HOW did these violent individuals get this way.
    Rarely are we told.
    But we get a few clues: usually no mention of a dad in the picture.
    When a woman produces a handicapped child, the family gets “early intervention ” to give that child the best possible chance in life.
    Why are we not doing this for all the kids dragged up in appalling homes?
    
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    March 17, 2018 7:50pm
- Happychappy
  
  These will be the people Andrew Little won’t want sent to jail.
  
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  March 17, 2018 4:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Hillary falling down again.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43434417

She’ll be covered in bandages and plasters by the time she arrives in NZ.
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March 17, 2018 2:44pm
- Manolo
  
  Is the hag in her last legs? Let us hope so.
  
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  March 17, 2018 4:02pm
Left Right and Centre

Dear Spark . . .

Why do you send dumbarse fob young curry women door to door ?

Goodbye sir, have a good time

Yeah mate, you too. Have a good time – morons.
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March 17, 2018 3:16pm
Manolo

Way to go: a Clinton minion loses his job:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/102358549/us-attorney-general-fires-fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe

US Attorney General Jeff Sessions has fired former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe, a little more than 24 hours before McCabe was to retire.

McCabe has become a lightning rod in the political battles over the FBI’s most high-profile cases, including the Russia investigation and the probe of Hillary Clinton’s email practices. He has been a frequent target of criticism from President Donald Trump.
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March 17, 2018 4:14pm
- RF
  
  He told porkies about Clintons emails and gave false statements so pleased he has been caught.
  
  His wife was a democrat and anti Trump.
  
  He was looking at a life time pension if he retired in several days. Now it’s zilch……
  
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  March 17, 2018 4:25pm
  - Ross12
    
    While I agree this is long over due, the fact that his wife was a Democrat is irrelevant. I read yesterday the pension bit is a little more complicated RF –it is affected but may not be zilch.
    I think the most important thing here is that it was internal FBI review of McCabe’s actions that recommended he be fired, so it becomes difficult to make out it was political.
    
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    March 17, 2018 5:39pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      His firing was recommended by the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility and the IG of the DOJ (an Obama appointee btw).
      He leaked to the Press and lied on his reports and under Oath
      There’s going to be a second Special Counsel appointed because of the forthcoming IGs report.
      Expect others to be punished.
      And what about Muellers guy Strozk arranging secret meetings with the FISA Judge…
      Flynn is going to get charges withdrawn because of the changed reports too.
      
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      March 17, 2018 6:59pm
      - Ross12
        
        Sessions already has some one “from outside DC” with DoJ experience, looking into things and has been at it for a few months. There has obviously been a lot going on behind the scenes that very few people know much about.
        I agree All_on_Red, the hammer is coming down.
        I just hope the IG’s report is as good as it is being hyped up to be.
        
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        March 17, 2018 7:42pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Would the withdrawal of charges against Flynn invalidate all the incriminating evidence he has provided so far?
        
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        March 17, 2018 7:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Whilst running for the Senate his wife received hundreds of thousands of dollars from a mate of Hillary .
    Then McCabe was meant to investigate Hillary’s shady dealings.
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/politics/andrew-mccabe-fbi-firing-recommendation-justice-department.html
    
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    March 17, 2018 7:38pm
Jack5

How safe is your money in the bank?

Brian Gaynor raises this in his weekly article today in the Hooerald.

It’s about time we started looking at just how good is our bank-overseeing Reserve Bank.

It didn’t seem to perform well in the crash of finance companies, and it’s supposed to be the watcher of insurance companies in NZ. But we don’t hear much about its performance or governance in these areas.

It has a board of governors, who unlike the governors of America’s Federal Reserve boards, don’t seem to participate in economic decisions. Their role seems to be make recommendations on appointments to the government and to provide moral support for the Governor. I suspect some of the directors also were behind the decision to officially rename the nationality of NZ’s currency: Aotearoa New Zealand.

It’s time for another look at the Reserve Bank. It looks a little as though it were designed for the last crisis or the one before that.

We don’t want to be the economic equivalent of a Navy stuck with battleships in the age of aircraft carriers, or stuck with aircraft carriers in the age of guided missiles.

The Gaynor column:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12014245
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March 17, 2018 5:03pm
- mikenmild
  
  Have you not bothered to check out Croaking Cassandra on DPF’s blog roll?
  
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  March 17, 2018 7:49pm
  - Jack5
    
    Thank you, Milky. Very interesting. Michael Reddell’s got inside knowledge.
    
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    March 17, 2018 9:04pm
Southern Raider

Anything wrong with this balance of payments by Auckland Council?

They have just announced they have sold 30 properties in Panmure to fund a massive redevelopment of the Panmure town centre

Now the sale raised $104M and the budget for the redevelopment is $50M with the project taking up to 20 years.
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March 17, 2018 5:28pm
- mikenmild
  
  The difference is to offset Penny’s rates shortfall.
  
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  March 17, 2018 7:50pm
DifferentPerspective

Raped children – “consented” says UK Police

Have a look at your grand-daughter’s future here .

This is where the insanity of political correctness and unfettered “progressivism” leads a country to. Where the Susan Devoy insane pursuit of avoiding offending the followers of a barbaric cult, leads to Police instructing officers that systematically groomed and raped little girls consented to it.

There must be a special hell for these monsters.
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March 17, 2018 5:36pm
- nasska
  
  …..”little girls consented to it”…..
  
  What the hell is going on with the Pommie cops? The age of consent in the UK has been 16 since 1885.
  
  AFAIK a minor is incapable of giving consent.
  
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  March 17, 2018 6:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    Let’s hope the NZ police aren’t recruiting from Telford or any other area of Britain where police have turned a blind eye on Muslim paedophiles preying on local children.
    
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    March 17, 2018 7:07pm
- Longknives
  
  Susan Devoy has forced NZ Police Officers to attend training/brainwashing at Mosques to learn about ‘Respecting Islam’ …
  
  Now I would be okay with this- if it was commonplace amongst all Religious communities. But it seems Islam is the ONLY religion that gets special, unique training sessions with Coppers…
  
  Be very afraid- It’s almost like they are ‘softening us up’ for when a Muslim inevitably ploughs a Truck into a crowd of innocent Kiwis…
  
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  March 17, 2018 6:40pm
  - Jack5
    
    Dame Devoid is the worst political appointment in NZ’s recent history.
    
    How much longer does the country have to suffer this idiot?
    
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    March 17, 2018 7:05pm
    - mikenmild
      
      When does her term expire, Jack and who do you think will replace her?
      
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      March 17, 2018 7:53pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I reckon Rodney Randall would shake things up a bit, and hasten the overdue demise of an office that, irrespective of Dame Susan Devoy’s performance (she has done ok, considering IMHO), has long since ceased to be of any useful value. Nb : I don’t consider being the lightening rod for the complaints of race and other diversity fanatics and professional “outraged” merchants from every extreme of the political spectrum “useful”. ?
        
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        March 17, 2018 7:58pm
      - Jack5
        
        EAD would be interesting: new black uniforms for Human Rorts Commission staff, snappy “good morning” ~~salutes~~ waves, and test bacon snacks for job applicants.
        
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        March 17, 2018 8:55pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Joris de Bres did 11 years (2002-2013).
      Dame Susan has only been there for 5 years….
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Rights_Commission_(New_Zealand)
      
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      March 17, 2018 9:07pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Hiwi Tauroa and Chris Laidlaw were good, but that may be my personal bias in favour of their low key moderate and dignified approach to life.
        
        Wally Hirsh lost credibility in my eyes when that old racist fake and windbag, the Canon Hone Kaa when he first on tv to try the old “Maori are the minority victims of systemic racism so they can’t be racists” line
        
        …and instead of shooting him down in a ball of flames on the spot, Hirsh dissembled and obfuscated that he had heard of the argument. You are the Race Relations Conciliator (as it was then), so earn your pay!! ☹️
        
        Rajen Prasad was a useless bureaucratic time server, as useless there as he was as an MP. But it is such a useless office, so I doubt anyone today can excel.
        
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        March 17, 2018 9:34pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Nah!
  It’s only white lower-class/working class girls that were ~~working as child prostitutes~~ traded for sex.
  http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-shropshire-43391605
  
  If you are middle-class or above you can disregard these kids.
  
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  March 17, 2018 6:44pm
  - nasska
    
    I’d like to think you’re wrong Maggy but I suspect that you’ve hit the nail on the head.
    
    When Jacinda’s pet rapey scum settle in NZ it will be little girls in state house areas who will pay the price of her grandstanding.
    
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    March 17, 2018 6:47pm
    - Johnboy
      
      They’ll a hundred thousand more households of them when the ten year plan comes to fruition nasska! Mecca will have come to New Zealand for the camel jockeys! 🙂
      
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      March 17, 2018 7:11pm
Jack5

A jury has rejected defamation claims against Invercargill Mayor Tim Shadbolt and Stuff Ltd, publisher of the Southland Times.

The claims were brought by Invercargill city councillor Karen Arnold over columns by Shadbolt in the Southland Times.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102296668/defamation-proceedings-against-invercargill-mayor-tim-shadbolt-and-stuff-fail
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March 17, 2018 7:02pm
- Johnboy
  
  I’ve always thought that the cannon Shadders gets shot out of needs a much bigger propellant charge and re-aiming to somewhere in Foveaux Strait! 🙂
  
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  March 17, 2018 7:15pm
GoVege

Happens all the time in the animal kingdom, Tauhei.
Babies and young children are hard work, and it is only the maternal /paternal bond that saves them from being bashed.
Lionesses are sometimes killed trying to protect their cubs from lions that want to kill another lion’s offspring.
In the human world, many mothers delude themselves that it is safe to leave their babies with a non-biological father/parent figure.
The facts are, a young child is 50-100 times more likely to be killed by mum’s boyfriend as the baby’s real father.
Women and girls no longer need to stay with their child’s father for financial support, as the state will support them.
This situation is fueling the problem of bashed infants.
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March 17, 2018 7:35pm
- nasska
  
  …..”The facts are, a young child is 50-100 times more likely to be killed by mum’s boyfriend as the baby’s real father”…..
  
  Spot on GoVege. Something the little airheads who drift from relationship to relationship collecting kids on the way need brought up to speed with.
  
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  March 17, 2018 7:39pm
  - Kimbo
    
    You think knowing that information would cause the ones with the most at-risk kids to change their choices?! And you accuse me of believing fairy tales? Sorry to be so pessimistic and cynical. ☹️
    
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    March 17, 2018 7:49pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”You think that information would cause them to change their choices”…..
      
      It might with a few of them but I have to accept that your cynicism is justified. Women/girls seem to have a pre-programmed desire to get impregnated by no-hopers or “bad boys” they believe that they are capable of taming. It’s not a new phenomenon.
      
      ….”And you accuse me of believing fairy tales”…..
      
      You’re just gullible. 🙂
      
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      March 17, 2018 7:57pm
  - GoVege
    
    Kimbo’s probably right, nasska.
    Most of these airheads have been taught that they have to produce heaps of babies to prove they’re a “real woman “.
    Whereas the guys in the cultures they come from feel no obligation to support or even have a relationship with their own offspring.
    Many of the mums don’t even expect their children’s dads to stick around.
    I have met heaps of young Maori mothers pushing out umpteen kids to the latest boyfriend.
    Most of their daughters have already been molested by a previous boyfriend.
    A few years ago I visited a home where 3 women, all related to eachother and on the booze, were pregnant to the same guy who had taken off down the line.
    Many of these kids end up in gangs after mum abandons them too.
    And then they go rob dairies and beat the cr*p out of hard-working immigrants……
    
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    March 17, 2018 8:07pm
    - nasska
      
      What you’re describing is effectively life lived on the level of of lower animals GoVege. The male is satisfying an inbuilt urge to pass on his genes indiscriminately & the woman has no expectations for the offspring they produce.
      
      Society pays & money is the smallest part of it.
      
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      March 17, 2018 8:15pm
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        Oh – ferals, yeah ?
        
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        March 17, 2018 9:50pm
      - GoVege
        
        Well, we ARE animals, nasska, even if most of our species likes to believe we are made in the image of some supernatural all-powerful dude called God.
        Most cultures on this planet behave very much like so-called lower species: impregnating multiple females to spread their genes, but without caring for the resulting kids.
        Keeping harems like that nutty lot who like to murder anybody who doesn’t believe the same b/s as them.
        The only reason we have civilization in some places is because some cultures started treating women half ways decently, outlawed harems and started valuing their kids more.
        Unfortunately some naive fools came up with the concept of multiculturalism and now the civilized cultures are being bankrupted by paying for the primitive customs of the uncivilized.
        
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        March 17, 2018 11:02pm
nasska

A terrorist attack has blown away two houses in Syria. One was made of straw & the other made of wood.

Police have said that it’s probably the work of a lone wolf.
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March 17, 2018 7:35pm
- Brigitte
  
  I think they’ve reported it wrong. As I understand it, the houses were too flimsy and fell down at the first puff of wind.
  
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  March 17, 2018 7:51pm
  - mikenmild
    
    The terrorist later burned to death in a suicidal assault down the chimney of a brick house.
    Watch this movie:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Lions
    
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    March 17, 2018 7:57pm
Jack5

The hacker who turned in Chelsea Manning to military intelligence has died, aged 37.

https://www.cnet.com/news/hacker-adrian-lamo-37-has-passed-away/
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March 17, 2018 10:56pm
cmm

Another two added to the Genter score yesterday and so far another one today.

90 dead so far this year. 395 dead in the last 12 months.

395 is 71 more than the year to date score for this time last year. Anything more than about 342 is statistically significant.

Genter, if you ARE trying to do something, then please, please, PLEASE stop whatever you are doing. It clearly isn’t working.
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