General Debate 15 March 2018

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KiWombat

I find the response from our Prime Minister on the sex/liquor scandal quite disturbing. No, more than that, frankly I find it quite revolting !

This is the person who, whether we agree with her politics or not, has been elected to lead our country. She is responsible for having to make difficult decisions at times, and she is now faced with one of those times.

The sex/liquor scandal is an issue that has been in the headlines for some days now, and even the mainstream media have elevated it to a major news item. I find it inconceivable that our PM isn’t on top of this issue. And I have real doubts that she was unaware of this activity before allegedly being “blindsided.”

We now know that 4 children were involved this year.

We now know that another has come forward admitting the same happened to them in the past – and yesterday afternoon yet another child has come forward.

We have now seen the twitter posts:- “It happens every year – – – it happens to my friends.”

This is NOT an example of an isolated event. Evidence is emerging that this has been going on for quite a few years. To have not referred this to Police for investigation is disturbing. Fortunately one of those assaulted has now laid a complaint, but our leader should have done this days, or weeks, ago!

We need a leader who knows how to lead, and the example set this week reeks of a deficiency in that regard. Further, cabinet colleagues have also been silent – I would have expected the Minister for Children to have been justifiably enraged and calling for immediate action. I would have expected the Police to be investigating the sale or supply of alcohol to minors from the moment this story broke – at the very least !

I now feel compelled to monitor the activities of my grandchildren more vigilantly than ever before. I could never have imagined that an event hosted by any of the major political parties would have been managed in such a poor manner as this one has. I have the right to be outraged by this behaviour from the very top, and I am. We know that predators exist in society, and I expect a leader to respond appropriately and protect our children, my children.

Yes we need transparency in Government – but this is just the opposite !
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March 15, 2018 8:00am
- holysheet
  
  “I could never have imagined that an event hosted by any of the major political parties would have been managed in such a poor manner as this one has.”
  
  And we wonder what chance they have of running the country successfully. Couldn’t run a piss up in a brewery.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:11am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Incapable of running a youth camp and totally incapable of running a country.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:12am
  - KevOB
    
    Every organiser I know of youth events has been police checked as have their helpers. They have been highly conscious of youth health and safety–almost paranoid.
    
    These people must have known of the risks of booze and sex and their duty to prevent illegal or undesirable behaviour.
    
    Good times are not a free for all.
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:56am
    - KiWombat
      
      This group could not have been so vigilant Kev, otherwise it would not have become the annual event that it has become.
      
      At least there is a freeze now on similar Labour events. Perhaps kids are a little safer – for now !
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:06am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Liarbor lawmakers: do as I say, not as I do
        
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        March 15, 2018 9:24am
  - RF
    
    The smile and wave leader of the Labour Govt has been treated like royalty by media and given a free ride.
    
    She now believes that their propaganda is the truth and that she has a free reign to do as she likes.
    
    Sorry but it all ends now as she is showing herself to be a flakey bimbo who will soon be running home to daddy for hot milk and choc biscuits.
    
    I am more worried about the power house behind her as they will be moving to take over once she has her baby.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:37am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      My call is that after the baby is born she will take extended leave with health issues as a result of the birth being given to get maximum sympathy and then quietly stand down and leave Parliament.
      
      The Party now knows it faces the next 3 years of this issue being bought up time and again. They know that repeating bad stuff like this is toxic and corrosive and the only way forward is to lance the biol and start anew.
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:51am
      - cmm
        
        Given the risk factors associated with being an elderly primigravida, there’s a high chance of her having to curtail her activities quite soon.
        
        She’s now at about 6 months. From about 7 months she could make a good case for handing over to Winnie on medical grounds.
        
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        March 15, 2018 10:00am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        She’s not exactly blooming.
        Looks gaunt and stressed.
        
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        March 15, 2018 11:48am
      - Paulus
        
        Andy Little is still smiling under his new macho beard.
        All falling in place without him doing anything.
        
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        March 15, 2018 1:01pm
      - sooty
        
        If Angrys the answer, the carpark puddle is extremely shallow. But then who else is there to replace secret Cindy and the missing seventeen pages. Secret Cindy can not afford to resign and keep the new house. She will go back to the backbenches. Then she can swan around, sprinkling fairy dust and no responsiblity. The handbag carrier will not keep her in the life, she has become acustomed too.
        
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        March 15, 2018 4:46pm
  - Ace
    
    When this was all unfolding I read a report that one of the reasons the prime minister was out of the loop was she was unable to be contacted while on her pacific island goodwill tour. Nobody (msm, opposition) has questioned whether this is the case and exactly when/how long/where this occurred. I would hope the prime minister is called to account for this statement if it was the case
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:03am
    - marcw
      
      She new about it alright – hence refusing to take any questions in the islands about anything other than the lolly scramble holiday junket. I think that was on Monday 5 March. Didn’t want to spoil the fun.
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:28am
      - RF
        
        Mike Hosking has a slot with her at 7.40am on Tuesdays.
        
        She refused to come on the 6th March unless Mike only questioned her about her fairy dust Island visits.
        
        I believe she knew then hence not wanting to be questioned about the rumours.
        
        Liar.
        
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        March 15, 2018 1:46pm
    - insider
      
      Absolute BS. All the islands have mobile networks. She would have been 100% contactable via multiple mobiles and probably sat mobile, plus via high commission phones and to rnzaf comms on the 757.
      
      Given media were sending film and pics back, i doubt the uncontactable excuse would fly if tried
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:50am
- calendar girl
  
  Dear Leader is caught up, most unfairly of course, in a Labour Party scandal relating to a cover-up – for over 4 weeks from 10 February – of sexual shenanigans perpetrated against 16-year-olds during a Labour-organised Youth Camp at Waihi. And exposure of such youngsters to the evils of alcohol without their parents’ knowledge or consent. By now our youthful PM may be looking for a brave new social policy initiative that will wrest public attention from the scandal itself, and from her Party’s gross mishandling of its effects and consequences. Let me suggest one possible such initiative.
  
  Last month it was revealed that, in the UK, annual deaths from prostate cancer have overtaken those from breast cancer https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/02/prostate-cancer-now-kills-more-people-than-breast-cancer-uk-figures-reveal . It is probable that a similar pattern exists or is developing in this country. Yet while NZ females aged 50 to 70 have access to free, two-yearly, screening tests for breast cancer, no comparable policy is in place to screen or otherwise deal with the nation-wide scourge that is prostate cancer.
  
  With Ms Ardern and her Government’s popularity stronger among female voters, this is her opportunity to embrace the goodwill and gratitude of her more-sceptical opposite gender. To demonstrate to men that she loves them for what they are, and to banish their sense of inferiority and worthlessness (Mr Gayford excepted, of course). Perhaps her much-anticipated child will prove to be a male when its arrival graces this land in a few months’ time; how could the Mother of our Nation bear the shame of welcoming her own son as a 2nd class NZ citizen?
  
  Ms Ardern has an ideal opportunity to deflect the wilful aspersions directed at her (and her Party) for failing to grasp the magnitude of the Labour Youth Camp debacle. She should take courage and thrust herself forward as an enlightened champion of men-folk, willing to accept and treat them as equals, and to ensure that their unique killer disease comes to be regarded as seriously as breast cancer. She herself may even find favour with male voters when, at the next General Election, she discovers that the Labour Party will be required to win the Treasury Benches on its own merits.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:13am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    In November of 2015 I was diagnosed with prostate cancer, it was graded T3b, with a Gleason score of 8, and my PSA was 68.
    
    For those who know of such things, these are pretty frightening numbers. The other number involved was my age at the time. I was 47.
    
    In New Zealand, all women between 45 and 69 are able to get a free mammogram every 2 years. This is brilliant.
    
    There are still doctors in New Zealand who will not refer a patient for a simple PSA blood test even when asked to do so by the patient. (By the way gentlemen, if you have a doctor that refuses your request, find another doctor immediately!)
    
    At the last Prostate Cancer Society Meeting in Auckland, which I attended, I made the point that if a similar screening system for males and prostate cancer was in place along the same guidelines for breast cancer screening, it is highly likely that my cancer would have been detected 2 years earlier than it eventually was, and this would have allowed a much greater range of treatment options available to me.
    
    Instead, I had to be treated with three years of androgen deprivation therapy, or chemical castration, with 7 weeks of radiation stuck in the middle of it. Not fun, and even though I am now 3 months past the end of my treatment, I am still suffering from the side effects of the treatment.
    
    Introduce mandatory Prostate Cancer screening for all men from the age of 45, and where there is a family history, start at 40.
    
    On the plus side, it looks like I beat the little bastard, but I paid a heavy price to do it!
    
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    March 15, 2018 11:12am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Well done to you Sir
      May your recovery continue on its current trajectory.
      
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      March 15, 2018 11:51am
    - calendar girl
      
      Thanks for that insight, RW/WR. I had heard that it was a dreadful disease, with an equally dreadful treatment regime, but your personal experience account helps to make KB readers aware of what seems to remain a stubbornly ‘silent disease’. You have been generous in telling us of your debilitating experience.
      
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      March 15, 2018 12:08pm
    - lofty
      
      Thanks mate, a good read and good advice about the doctors reluctance to refer for blood tests.
      Mine was a bit like that a few years ago, but I insisted and now have them done at regular intervals, I often wondered why he would be tardy in this respect, I still can’t fathom it.
      
      Mandatory prostrate screening, should be , ahem, mandatory.
      I am pleased that you recovering, good for you.
      
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      March 15, 2018 12:54pm
    - Longknives
      
      Well done on beating the bastard Right of Way!
      
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      March 15, 2018 3:04pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Now the Labour Party is investigating drug use at the Summer Camp.
  Labour Party summer camp inquiry to probe possible drug use and underage drinking
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12012685
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:14am
  - KiWombat
    
    Oh my god – it just keeps getting worse !
    
    Get your children away from them people – this debacle is quickly moving from bad to worse !
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:20am
    - igm
      
      Do you not realise these are the types that have infiltrated our state education system.
      “Think of the Children” is definitely a myth.
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:28am
      - starboard
        
        ‘Think of the children’…in this case, naked. Dirty low life fiddlers.
        
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        March 15, 2018 9:42am
    - Piniwi
      
      But KiWombat it is also very odd that Liz Craig default list MP also spent the Saturday night there and also went to bed at 9pm enjoying a quiet early night. Just like a so-called supervisor went to bed at 9pm and (we must assume) managed to sleep through what appears to have been a full-on boozy blowout. Suspect thigh covered ears would make hearing somewhat impeded.
      
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      March 15, 2018 2:46pm
      - KiWombat
        
        ? FurBurger ear muffs ?
        
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        March 15, 2018 3:05pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Honestly, does this come as a surprise to anyone?
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:23am
    - G152
      
      No.
      And I reckon we should hold the hot iron to their collective feet over this.
      For to long the left have made a great deal of anything they presume the right have gotten wrong.
      Time for payback
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:43am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    But I bet smoking tobacco was frowned upon!
    It’s bad if it isn’t mind-altering.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:42am
  - RF
    
    As night follows day… Labour, unsupervised teens, sex, booze and drugs.
    
    What else do you expect.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:57am
    - MickMac
      
      Were they Ginger?
      
      Just saying….
      
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      March 15, 2018 4:31pm
  - Liberty
    
    There is an outrage over the reported Booze,Drugs and sex at a labour party camp.
    But what is equally disturbing is the molesting of the minds of these young impressionable children.By sending them to a socialist seduction camp.
    
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    March 15, 2018 12:05pm
- alloytoo
  
  The latest spin is that the Camp, despite having MP’s in attendance, and the PM addressing it, was Young Labour’s responsibility.
  
  Of course, if Labour want to throw young labour under the bus, suggesting a culture problem in Young Labour, it is important to remember that the PM is a product of said culture.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:17am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    NZH this morning, any future camps will need senior party officials in attendance, or some similar wording….
    
    Yeah because those there at Waihi made a huge fucking difference.
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:43am
    - waikatogirl
      
      How is having a senior official in attendance any different from Cindy being there for a time, and Tamati there, as well as
      mature supervisors present.
      Didn’t make any difference, still a complete cluster.
      
      Liarbor, unsafe workplace practices… ?
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:54am
      - RF
        
        As a matter of interest where was Tamati during the sex booze party.
        
        We know the female MP went to bed early but where was he ?
        
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        March 15, 2018 10:02am
    - KiWombat
      
      Really ? How much more senior can you get ?
      
      As well as the PM we have seen photos including Coffey, Henare, Ardern and one other who I don’t recognise.
      
      So even with the PM and several others from the club in attendance it still developed into a debacle !
      
      Those MP’s must have had blinkers on – either accidentally or intentionally !
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:13am
    - igm
      
      Senior Labour Party officials will still be perverts of one kind or another. Labour specialises in dykes, faggits, and all other sorts of weirdos . . . look at them historically.
      
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      March 15, 2018 11:48am
  - KiWombat
    
    Classic sinking ship syndrome !
    
    What’s the difference between the Titanic and NZ Labour ? – – – Titanic had a band !
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:47am
    - marcw
      
      Labour’s were at Band Camp.
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:34am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes check out this from Iprent at the Standard yesterday,
    “lprent 4.2.1.4.2
    14 March 2018 at 10:37 am
    As far as I could see, the Young Labour summer camp has always been managed on a pretty amateur basis. That is because Labour doesn’t manage them. They are managed by Young Labour, an organisation that has permanent turnover issues for obvious reasons. They are pretty good at getting along luminaries from the Labour party and its MPs, but as much as anything else that is because they ask and many of those being asked have been to them in their youth.”
    
    Head in the sand stuff.
    
    So during the Whaleoil 2014 scandel this same guy was saying Whaleoil = National. Yet this same d*ck, is all Young Labour ≠ Labour. Utter lies, the Labour Prime Minster flew in to attend the event.
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:49am
    - KiWombat
      
      squirrel again !
      
      Look at the various photo’s – Labour banners in most of them !
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:15am
      - Piniwi
        
        Also KiWombat it is now a challenge to find a picture that has not had all the faces blurred and some whole bodies fuzzed out. It might however help to put a face to the perpetrator and the assault victims if a comparison is made. Like the WO original group and the current redacted version being used in the TV news.
        
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        March 15, 2018 2:54pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Yes – obfuscation reigns supreme !
        
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        March 15, 2018 3:09pm
    - Ross12
      
      Iprent can say what he likes, about it not being a Labour Party organised event, the cat is out of the bag as it has made headlines around the world. Even their go to overseas rag The Guardian has a story about it.
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:24am
      - lifesgood
        
        Good job!
        
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        March 15, 2018 9:32am
      - Ross12
        
        Sorry forgot the link c/o of W/O
        https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/03/it-isnt-vogue-but-they-are-world-wide-headlines-nonetheless/#more-369529
        
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        March 15, 2018 9:49am
      - calendar girl
        
        Here’s a link to The Guardian story that Ross12 referred to above: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/13/new-zealand-labour-youth-camp-sexual-assault-allegations
        
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        March 15, 2018 12:31pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Its not the camp and its lack of supervision that is the main problem in my mind, its that the Labour hierarchy for weeks thought that the parents didn’t need to know that a crime had been committed against their children.
    Then Labour displayed a complete lack of commonsense by trying to hogwash the public with sociobabble.
    
    How disconnected with real folks are these Labour people?
    
    Thank goodness someone told them to wake their bloody ideas up.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:26am
    - KiWombat
      
      You’re right Maggie.
      
      I have always felt that political engagement was a bit of harmless fun, and encouraged kids to display some interest. Never in a million years did I thing there would be predators amongst them, waiting for the chance to prey on kids.
      
      As I said above, I now feel the need to be more vigilant. One sibling is a member of GangGreen, and we all know that the green coating is just a camouflage. Will be particularly vigilant in that direction – and we now need to be !
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:36am
    - MickMac
      
      Maggy
      Honestly what can you expect?
      
      Your 13yr old daughter can have an abortion and no one will tell you. (except when there are complications or she bleeds out on you at home!)
      
      Not the teachers who refer them, nor the doctors and nurses who treat them and not the Judge who takes away your right to parental responsibility for the operation…..
      
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      March 15, 2018 4:36pm
- Paulus
  
  First I have read that Drugs may have been involve from Winston’s Prime Minister yesterday.
  Barely Sober, in mitigation of course, suggests that the Police do not want to be involved – they are.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:18am
  - KiWombat
    
    Paul it’s looking like there will be a new chapter every day. Each morning we wake up to a new revelation about this sordid activity.
    
    Will somebody please step up and tell us the whole truth ?
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:22am
    - calendar girl
      
      Someone will step up soon, but only to start a squirrel debate alleging alcohol and sex at events of the Young Nationals.
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:41am
      - sooty
        
        Already started, I’m afraid. The Labour party have paid Laura Walters and Jo Moir to start the cover up on stuff.
        
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        March 15, 2018 5:01pm
- Monty
  
  Good post
  Labour are desperate to shut the whole thing down and will probably succeed -and next week assuming national have a spine they can reignite during question time as there are too many unanswered questions. Will Simon bridges take this to labour who will try and say this is a party matter or before the police? Is there known information that can be disclosed under parliament privilege? Now will be the time
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:26am
  - flipper
    
    It will take more than spine. It will have to get past Mallard.
    Where is the direct Ministerial responsibility ???
    
    Don’t get me wrong. I think Ardern, Coffee ( was he / the groper?), Ardern and Woods should be roasted the House. But I doubt that Mallard will permit it.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:24am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Coffee is way past 20 years old.
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:26am
      - sooty
        
        Hay, secret cindy can be youth adjacent. So why can’t Coffe identify as a 20yr old youth as well?
        
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        March 15, 2018 5:05pm
    - stigie
      
      Where the fuck is the Minister for Children in this sordid fiasco ?
      Oh that right, she’s on the Chatham Island taking credit for a new wharf that national built !~
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:54am
      - KiWombat
        
        And that her party opposed funding for !
        
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        March 15, 2018 11:17am
      - Liberty
        
        The Labour party junkets to the chatham island have some History.
        “Hon. JOHN BANKS: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. The member again talked about the “convicted criminal” thing. If he raises that matter again I will tell the country what he and xxxx got up to in the Chatham Islands. [Interruption.] Do they want me to tell them now? [Interruption.]”
        
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        March 15, 2018 12:37pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Yes stigie seeing some results from true regional development funding. Suspect some of the visiting COL rabble even expected to get their passports requested on arrival. Chatham what? Where?
        
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        March 15, 2018 2:59pm
  - KiWombat
    
    Meanwhile – Cindy will just keep on re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
    
    Sooner or later she will realise that there is a change of course required or else this iceberg will sink her – and most of her gang !
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:10am
  - macdee
    
    easy eg ask Hipkins a series of questions about outdoor education requirements for schools, ask Little about legality of supplying liquor to minors, link Liz Craig research to responsible care of teenagers, don’t need to mention that ‘camp’
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:31am
- Ace
  
  The response also had the aledged offender free to keep molesting further victims
  
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  March 15, 2018 10:58am
thedavincimode

Beware already – it’s the Ides of March. … I told him, ‘Julie don’t go’ … I said ‘Julie don’t go’ …
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March 15, 2018 8:01am
- flipper
  
  Nice one.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:13am
  - insider
    
    You like it? It’s yours!
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:52am
- Komata
  
  But the 20 year old went anyway – somewhere, anywhere; we don’t KNOW where
  
  (But someone does… )
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:34am
  - simpleton1
    
    Was it a “bolt hole” on the Chatham Islands?
    
    Darren Hughes that bolted initially had the company of Jacinda, “We can do this”
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:44am
peterwn

Meanwhile over at Whaleoil there was a two part post (not by Cam) urging the formation of a new right wing political party. Interestingly, the post seems to have disappeared but no matter. The bulk of the posts was a highly prescriptive manifesto for the new party which would be the thoughts of the author. All these people urging National to swing ‘right’ cut immigration etc are missing on important consideration. While this could gain some votes, it could lose even more votes.
National can hardly spawn a new right wing political party to appeal to rednecks – it would have no credibility. I doubt a new party would receive much support. This is well illustrated by the situation of the ACT party. If there was significant support for a new right wing party, the ACT party would have fared much better in the last election, but gained insufficient list votes to gain a second MP.
So the National Party has to pitch its image and policies to appeal to as wide range of electors as possible if it hopes to optimise its votes. Going hard right will not achieve this.
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March 15, 2018 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  What’s a redneck?
  
  Sounds like a term of racial abuse.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:11am
  - holysheet
    
    It’s what Dame Devoid gets whenever she ventures out of her ivory tower.
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:13am
  - igm
    
    If it is red it must be of a snivelling left disposition!
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:13am
    - G152
      
      Nope. It’s a term for the farm worker and the labourer.
      Out in the Sun every day the back of his neck gets burnt.
      Red neck!
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:47am
      - waikatogirl
        
        So the Left is slurring the “Workers”. Are they not their own voters.
        
        Sheesh, Lefties own goal! ?
        
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        March 15, 2018 8:58am
  - Chris R
    
    I find the term “redneck” to be a mindless slur. I understand that it has its roots in the USA but it is as pointless here as the other labels spewed up by lefties eg “Nazi” for anyone who is bold enough to speak out about the left and “Tory” for anyone who chooses to try and protect their interests.
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:35am
    - Interested Party
      
      Apparently one of the early uses of this term was for coal miner unions
      members in America , who wore red bandanas around their neck
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:00am
- Rodney Randall
  
  In other words you are concerned of the success any new party may have.
  
  Nz desperately needs a new party.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:12am
  - flipper
    
    BOLLOCKS. We need two less.
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:16am
  - KevOB
    
    Young Labour have been having them.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:03am
- Gravelroad
  
  National must establish clear and credible policy points of difference to the socialists.
  Labour lite just won’t do it anymore.
  Early days, I suppose, but so far havn’t seen much action from Bridges and co apart from a cringe about Maori heritage and an alarm alert reference to the “environment” with no substantive detail.
  Amy Adams on radio news last evening sounded less than confident.
  Come on National, produce some goods.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:15am
  - peterwn
    
    This is the issue – Many Kiwis are caring and compassionate and support National because it is centre or slightly left of centre. That significant voting bloc can easily swing to Labour. National just cannot ignore it. It is too significant.
    People may well poke fun at polling, focus groups etc but a political party has to find out where its support lies and what drives people when deciding how to vote. Apart from the main publicised polls, you will not know much about these other efforts or outcomes as this is highly sensitive information. The better a political party can do this, the better its likely outcome on election day.
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:38am
    - KevOB
      
      We have two well differentiated parties the Red Incompetents and the Blue Competents.
      
      Could we seriously elect the Red team as they presently are? They got selected for us by a deficient Winston.
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:08am
    - flipper
      
      Yep.
      Win the centre and win the game. Fringes are fine. But they do NOT win!
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:29am
  - Paulus
    
    Too early – National will have to continue to go at the lesser Ministers on existing policy.
    Timing is important on Policy – there is no election on the horizon yet.
    Labour and its mob will not go early under any circumstances.
    Andrew Little knows that well as a Union leader.
    Likewise he is biding his time.
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:44am
  - Scott
    
    Gravel road – I agree that National cannot continue to be just labour light.
    But learning from populist movements overseas we can see that a few things would be good for this country. Here are 3 things that National could run on straight away –
    – lower tax rates. Surely a national government can bring themselves the conviction to campaign on and then implement lower tax rates? Personal and corporate tax rates could be lowered and I believe that would have a good effect on economic growth.
    – A lot less immigration and no unsuitable refugees. Many New Zealanders feel like the country is being taken away from them. I was in an Auckland mall at the end of the year and I would estimate at least half of the shoppers were foreign-born. Auckland is too crowded and we need to drastically cut back on immigration.
    – A stronger stance on law and order and keeping criminals off the streets. Again this is Heartland stuff for national and Lord knows once Andy starts releasing violent criminals the electorate will be very happy to look at an alternative.
    
    After that National could look at things like – actually ending the Waitangi Tribunal and winding up all claims. Supporting the nuclear family of Mum and dad and the kids and supporting actual marriage between a man and a woman. Investing properly on school choice and charter schools and other alternatives and putting so many facts on the ground that labour cannot roll them back.
    
    All this will take courage and conviction. Sadly it seems that the best people in the National party lack conviction while the worst people in the Labor Party and the Greens are full of passionate intensity. National needs to find the courage of its convictions!
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:58am
    - Kimbo
      
      What about your previously-argued appeal for “Creationism/Intelligent Design” to be included in the school science curriculum?
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:33am
      - Scott
        
        Yep good idea. Evidence for and against intelligent design vs unguided evolution . Would be a good tester for young mind to grapple with.
        
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        March 15, 2018 11:35am
      - Kimbo
        
        Onya, Scott.
        
        So does that also include your previous demand that the Book of Genesis should be included in the prescribed reading list, not just as an example of literature that has influenced our history, heritage and culture, nor just for the valid purposes of comparative religious/social studies, but also as a…science text?
        
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        March 15, 2018 3:32pm
      - Scott
        
        Not at this stage. Baby steps Kimbo.
        
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        March 15, 2018 5:01pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Fair enough, Scott. And I don’t disagree that the evolution/creation science “debate” may indeed have a place in the school curriculum. But more only where one would teach critical analysis of rhetoric in the English curriculum, such as picking to pieces Holocaust denial, or Marxist or alt right activism.
        
        Until such time as intelligent design starts winning a place on its own merits in the peer-reviewed scientific community, and irrespective of the efforts of motivated activists and cheer leaders, it is, IMHO junk science, and also religion which has no place in the public school curriculum. Which you will be relieved to know is also a safeguard against Islam being taught too. ?
        
        But a genuine thanks for your honesty and integrity confirming the agenda and method of implementation. I knew there was a reason I enjoy tracking your posts. Can’t leave it all to you to set the parameters for what passes as wise contemporary Christian engagement with the public education system and wider culture. ?
        
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        March 15, 2018 5:13pm
    - Gravelroad
      
      Agree totally with your last para here Scott.
      I live in the regional sector and mix with a wide range of people.
      Most of them are suspicious of Labour/Greens/Winstone 1st and completely understand how they gained office through the back door.
      But we are seeing some National Opposition members carrying on as though they are still In Government. We have a self styled “Minister of Wine”. And a spokeswoman for “RMA reforms”when the national government refused point blank to action RMA reforms when they had the power to so do.
      Centrist voters want some reassurance from National that they are not just going to sit round like some government in waiting for the next couple of years, when normal service will then be resumed. We want to know what National now stands for. What they are passionate about other than the pursuit of power?
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:43am
      - marcw
        
        National reforms on RMA were stymied by Maori Party and possum Dunne – no point in introducing legislation if you don’t have the numbers. If the thanks you get from the Maori voters for years of support and billions of taxpayer’s hard earned cash is for them to bugger off to Labour at the first chance, then I say stop treating them as ‘special’ for once.
        
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        March 15, 2018 10:44am
stigie

Barely Sober covering up for the Labour Party…..Now if this was National..?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12012902
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March 15, 2018 8:02am
- thedavincimode
  
  soper’s become a parody of himself stigie.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:08am
  - Jack5
    
    Thedavincitoad says “Soper’s become a parody of himself.”
    
    You mean, TD, he’s become Barely Barely Sober?
    
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    March 15, 2018 4:28pm
- Inandout
  
  The man with a bride centuries younger than him, one wonders what goes through his mind.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:09am
  - Dave Mann
    
    That’s a low comment. I don’t like the man’s columns, but the age of his wife does absolutely nothing to add to the conversation, frankly.
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:27am
    - lifesgood
      
      Perhaps shows his immaturity?
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:37am
      - igm
        
        Shows his lack of decency and morality.
        
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        March 15, 2018 2:49pm
      - Jack5
        
        Maybe shows our envy.
        
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        March 15, 2018 4:28pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Kind of speaks to his inexplicable unjournalistic defence if Labour’s attitude towards abuse of the young of their party.
      
      In modern politics the high road is the losing road. So long as the left stoop lower and lower a MAD approach is the only way to go. Truely sad but an unfortunate truth.
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:40am
    - G152
      
      His comments about others has been a lot nastier than the above.
      You hand it out be prepared to take it !
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:49am
    - Inandout
      
      I think a head shrink would argue for hours that Soper types make for good discussions. Soper is of course eclipsed by the late Hugh Hefner, but there is still ‘enough material there for an entire conference’ (apologies to Basil Fawlty).
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:59am
    - kaykaybee
      
      Yes it does. He chooses a wife the same age as a daughter. That says a good deal about someone in my books.
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:37am
      - igm
        
        Kay: You clarified it in a nutshell, he being a typical Labourite . . . devoid of moral fibre.
        
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        March 15, 2018 11:54am
      - Flash
        
        You reckon she didn’t have a say in it?
        
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        March 15, 2018 1:52pm
holysheet

It was a celebratory mood for the boys at Rocket Lab; they had just made the scientific achievement of a lifetime. As they were uncorking a bottle of champagne, CEO, Peter Beck, asked everyone to be quiet as he was receiving a congratulatory phone call from the Prime Minister .

He picked up the phone.

“Ms. Adern,” said Peter, grinning broadly, “after twelve years of difficult research and spending millions of dollars, we have finally found intelligent life on Mars.”

He listened for a second, and his smile gradually disappeared, replaced by a frown.

He said, “But that’s impossible… we could never do it… yes Ms Adern,” and hung up the phone. He then addressed the crowd of scientists staring at him curiously.

“I have some bad news,” he said, “the PM said that now that we’ve found intelligent life on Mars… she wants us to try to find it in the labour Pardy.”
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March 15, 2018 8:05am
Dave Stringer

In assessing the “bests” of the summer concerts” this year, The Hearald managed to miss the concert with the broadest age range audience, the longest unbroken performance by the “named” attraction and the most recognisable performer. I refer, of course, to Paul McCartney’s OneOn One tour. Three solid hours of songs spanning 50 years of record breaking music; it should have received some recognition from the critics,even if it did go beyond their bedtimes.
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March 15, 2018 8:08am
- Dave Mann
  
  But he’s a talentless twerp who’s music is bland and monotonous and his lyrics are meaningless dross. Beats me how anybody could sit through three hours of it, TBH.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:33am
  - Komata
    
    Dave M
    
    A ‘Talentless twerp’ perhaps, but nonetheless, the lack of such talent HAS somehow managed to make hinm a very wealthy man…
    
    (Just saying).
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:39am
  - softail 1450
    
    D M,its a bit early for strong liqor isnt it DM, “talentless”, i assume you are drunk .
    
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    March 15, 2018 1:19pm
  - GoVege
    
    “Jet” weren’t bland, Dave….
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:01pm
kowtow

This is meant to be some sort of wonderful architectural innovation which will propel Dunedin onto the world stage……

…..personally, it looks like a poor copy of the Sydney Opera House and we’re acting like a bunch of islanders engaging in a cargo cult building monuments in the hope money will fall from the sky….

“Regional Economic Development Minister Shane Jones says he has ”never seen anything” like Dunedin’s waterfront development plan, following a visit to the city this week.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dcc/overwhelmed-dunedins-waterfront-plan
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March 15, 2018 8:08am
- lifesgood
  
  Dunedin has to have one of the ugliest water fronts in NZ. It is lined with industrial buildings blocking any view of the sea from the city centre. A cheaper option to beautify their waterfront would be to bulldoze those buildings and create a park.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:16am
  - VicParking
    
    Lifesgood I can see you have never been to Whanganui
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:38am
    - lifesgood
      
      I did say “one of the ugliest”…not the ugliest. 🙂
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:12am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Where is ‘Whanganui’? Is it between Whellington and Whaverly?
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:28am
      - G152
        
        Wanganui is a river and a settlement on the west coast of the South Island
        
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        March 15, 2018 10:48am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Many a happy hour has been spent down at the North Mole.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdd67A_4src
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:08am
      - VicParking
        
        Know I know were to return the Knickers I found
        
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        March 15, 2018 1:46pm
    - GoVege
      
      Looked beeeautiful to me last time I was there….
      
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      March 15, 2018 2:03pm
  - tf78
    
    Apparently Auckland’s waterfront/ harbor coming into the city by cruise ship is really ugly according to my relatives who do a lot of cruises and are from Auckland originally.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:34am
    - lifesgood
      
      Nope, not true. I’ve done a lot of cruises too. Are you from Dunedin?
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:18am
- Toko
  
  Never going to happen. Just because they got the stadium over the line, they think we should go even bigger in our pretending to be a Melbourne or Sydney. The DCC is proposing rates increases of 7.3% followed by 4.5% each year after. That is just to cover some crumbling infrastructure and the huge overruns for their various bike lanes infesting the city. These drawings are just the wet dreams of creative lefties who think existing businesses can just be moved aside for their grand delusions. There are plenty of other beaches and cafe areas that are much better positioned than Otago’s wind tunnel harbour.
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:26am
  - KiWombat
    
    Basic economics – If you haven’t got the money then don’t spend it !
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:47am
EAD_TWO

What days of bedlam, faux hysteria and outright lies that we live in….

Holidaymakers get machine gunneden masse in Tunisia = Islam is a religion of peace.

Dozens of Children get shredded to smithereens at a pop concert = Islam is a religion of peace.

Rotherham, Oxford, Newcastle, Telford (+ likely hundreds more not being reported = Nothing to see here

One double agent gets poisoned (without evidence of any State involvement) = Evil Russians/expel the Russians /Nuclear war hysteria.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-latest-russia-demands-samples-of-nerve-agent/2018/03/13/5f4189f2-26aa-11e8-a227-fd2b009466bc_story.html

The Russian Foreign Ministry’s spokeswoman has warned Britain against putting ultimatums to Russia, reminding the U.K. about its nuclear arsenal.

Maria Zakharova said in televised remarks Tuesday that “no one can come to parliament and say: ‘I give Russia 24 hours,’” a reference to British Prime Minister Theresa May giving Russia a deadline to explain how a Russia-designed nerve agent could have been used to poison former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter.

Russia has denied involvement and said it won’t respond to a British ultimatum unless it gets samples of the nerve agent in line with rules of the international chemical weapons watchdog.
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March 15, 2018 8:11am
- Lance
  
  EAD_TWO is a Russian troll I see.
  Makes sense
  
  Although fairly half arsed straw man argument, must do better or it’s more electrodes to the gonads for EAD_TWO
  ED2: “No , anything but electrodes to the gonads”
  Authority: “ANYTHING????”
  ED2 “OK, Electrodes to the gonads then”
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:31am
Lee C

I’m not surprised Shane Jones ‘Has never seen anything ” like this rather unimaginative rip-off – we all know how good Labour are at turning a blind eye.
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March 15, 2018 8:12am
- KiWombat
  
  Shane’s done the sideways shuffle to NZ1 now !
  
  Should nominate him for dancing with the stars !
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:27am
  - G152
    
    Keep him out of corridors
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:51am
  - Piniwi
    
    Too Late KiWonbat he was declined because of his inconvenient shape. There proved to be no camera angle that could A) get them both in and B) not prevent his partner being seen. It used to be a bibles space between partners but he has a whole library worth of protrusion.
    
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    March 15, 2018 3:15pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  He would have seen it if it was on a porn channel….
  
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  March 15, 2018 11:23am
- softail 1450
  
  lee c, with shane jones’s favorite passtime being masterbation im surprised he can see anything at all.
  
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  March 15, 2018 1:23pm
oldgolfer

Just heard the British High Commissioner on Red Radio saying she welcomed Winston’s strong statement about the attack in Salisbury.
She was asked if NZ was wise to seek a free trade deal with Russia and said NZ was free to pursue deals with whomever it wanted.
She then said – the clincher – that NZ was in queue to seek a free trade deal with the UK and the EU.
She was asked if one might depend on the other and she said NZ and Britain had talks on many issues, some she was happy to talk about publicly, some she was not.
In other words, what was unsaid was that if Winston pursues fee trade with Russia, NZ can forget any deal with Britain.
Thanks, Winston.
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March 15, 2018 8:15am
- waikatogirl
  
  Winston does what Winston wants, stuff NZ.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:41am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Winston does what those who pay him want….
    
    wait… we pay him!
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:50am
- VicParking
  
  It seems he like Russian whiskey better than Scottish. Says a lot about Winny.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:42am
- Poppa
  
  Peters could not in his wildest dreams sort out a trade deal, in fact he opposed the TPP when National were working on it.
  
  He only likes the perks of circling the globe making himself feel important
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:50am
- Jack5
  
  These days, Britain might need a trade deal with NZ more than NZ needs a trade deal with Britain.
  
  They might need trade with Russia, too, after the Brussels thugs have worked them over for leaving the EC.
  
  We don’t import a helluva lot from Britain these days.
  
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  March 15, 2018 4:32pm
DigNap15

How come there are 2,000 unemployed in the Hawkes Bay.
WINZ need to toughen up on them!
That is just a waste of our human resources and does not give those people the dignity of work.
Its also probably the cause of a loot of crime, because you cannot live on the dole.
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March 15, 2018 8:18am
oldpark

When the Peters selected PM called Ardern fronted up to open the so called Liebour Summer Camp well and good.
Except born out of that opening was the hushed up news of what really happened at that camp.
Until the truth was finally leaked,it was a case of see no evil ,speak no evil.and hear no evil.
Seems the news was not so good. There was a cover up by Arderns we know best officials,the way to handle the now reported sexual and alcohol disaster involving four innocent youths .Yesterday i heard the “Amoral Ardern” and self appointed “Role Model” for her so called “Generation”,muttering mea culpas and crying crocodile tears. What shear hypocrisy.
The youths were thrown under the bus by her gang of sycophants,and it took almost three to four weeks to be revealed of a very sinister coverup.
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March 15, 2018 8:20am
- alloytoo
  
  25 days before they even approached the supposedly “independent” survivor support service.
  
  That’s damning beyond belief.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:29am
- VicParking
  
  They talk about Young Labour as if they are all 15 or 16 yeats old. When you look at the Photo I see a majority of them are in their late teens/early twenty’s. As well as that there is a smattering of older adults including Andrew Kirton. Were they all away playing blind mans bluff when the booze was carted in.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:47am
  - Harkman
    
    I’m not shy about my dislike of everything that Labour stands for, but if I had of known months ago that booze was their achilles heel, I would have sent them a crate of beer and a couple bottles of cheap vodka. This is just too much fun. Look at Cindy pretend to be credible, this is just hysterical.
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:58am
  - KevOB
    
    Blind mans buff.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:11am
    - tf78
      
      Pin the tail on the donkey.
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:38am
    - VicParking
      
      No its was a Labour event ‘Blind mans Bluff’ or ‘how to handle Question Time’
      
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      March 15, 2018 1:49pm
- Poppa
  
  I for one do not believe that she was not told about this.
  
  As she would be the one to front the media she had to be told.
  
  I will admit she is very good at it though, water off a ducks back
  
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  March 15, 2018 10:14am
DigNap15

If we did not trade with any country that was not perfect we’d have hardly any trade.
Eg Saudai Arabia bans women from lots of activities
China bans free speech
Iran exports terrorism
France sent spies here!
etc etc
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March 15, 2018 8:20am
Lee C

My theory about “Gropegate”: Where ‘moral high ground was transformed into ‘oral high ground’.
J.A. would be informed there was ‘something coming’ and was primed to act surprised, but be able to deny precise knowledge, while in the Pacific.
The LPNZ Chairman decided to protect her with plausible deniability.
The ‘concerns’ of the youngsters were put into action the day before the story broke, but they thought it might break earlier.
They had a cock-and-bull defence about ‘protecting’ the youngsters lined up and hoped the slavish elements in the media would use this to affirm LPNZ’s ‘moral high ground defence’.
Their ethical compass is misaligned due to institutionalised cult-like grooming of youngsters, which has been going on for years.
They actually believed they were above the law, this is affirmed by statements such as ‘happily investigate’ and suggesting that being flustered could be explained by poorly applied make-up.
They had every intention of covering this up, by protecting the perpetrator who is still unknown to all, so may have been embarrassingly close to someone we know.
Shit, the perp. may even appear here, on KB as sock-puppets on occasion.
Everyone in LPNZ has circled the wagons to protect a sexual predator.
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March 15, 2018 8:22am
- flipper
  
  Why is it that socialist crapheads feel a need to stage such events as a summer indoctrination camp ???
  But that is an Ardern legacy, I suppose.
  And in other societies it results in a Norwegian-like massacre.
  The only massacre needed here is the 9th floor, starting with Ardern and the dyke.
  
  [DPF: Totally unacceptable. That is your first strike. You will be suspended if you do others like this]
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:37am
  - Harkman
    
    I shouldn’t say this but I always remember Glenn Beck (of all people’s) response to the Norway shooting by saying something like, ‘who sends there children to a socialist camp anyhow? It’s like Hitler Youth.’
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:02am
    - kowtow
      
      Difference is many Hitler Youth had no choice. Whereas these latter day young gauleiters in training are there of their volition learning to be tomorrow’s control freaks and tax thieves.
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:02am
  - stephieboy
    
    flipper., the 70 or so Norwegian young Labour party members are responsible for their own massacre ?
    
    Clown !
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:44am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      I’m in agreement with you there Stephieboy; it’s a horrendous thing to suggest.
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:34am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Dial it back a notch or three flipper, that reads as an exhortation to violence
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:29am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    There’s a line and you just blasted over it flipper. You should step back and think about that comment; do you actually advocate the killing of politicians who you disagree with?
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:32am
  - Scott Chris
    
    Reported Flapper you fucking lunatic.
    
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    March 15, 2018 7:20pm
- KevOB
  
  Did the PM’s boyfriend attend?
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:12am
  - igm
    
    No, he was at one of their homes, knitting booties!
    
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    March 15, 2018 11:58am
Chuck Bird

Presenting petition: Keep Hamilton City Council’s name as it is!

Meeting at Hamilton Council Building Garden Place at 9:20 this morning.

https://www.facebook.com/events/494729150928412/?active_tab=discussion
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March 15, 2018 8:27am
- tf78
  
  Cheaper to change the Mayor and a lot more satisfying.
  
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  March 15, 2018 10:17am
Lee C

The sock-puppets will seek to gain the moral high ground by suggesting this is a politically-motivated beat-up by a shady right-wing conspiracy, and next week, Jacinda will launch something proving how much she cares about ‘the children’.

But face it people, the Honeymoon is now well and true over.
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March 15, 2018 8:28am
- igm
  
  Wait till the illegitimate bubble bursts . . . all will be well!
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:36am
- stigie
  
  Don’t worry folks, the ultra sound photos will be plastered all over the news and gossip mags any day now taking the heat out of the sordid Liarbour summer camp !~
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:52am
- redeye
  
  I think you are correct. The honeymoon is nearly over. Yesterday on the radio live I heard Lisa Owen interviewing a young journalist who had covered Soapbox Cindy’s press conference. It was a fair coverage but ended with Owen asking when the results of the inquiry was likely. The journalist sarcastically replied that she wasn’t sure but “they promised to be transparent about it”. To which they all laughed. Lefty Owen included.
  Of course later in the show Owen was back to her fawning best in an interview with Cullen about taxing more and more.
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:40am
flipper

But speed cameras (etc.) in NZ are used only to enhance road safety….. Yeaaah.. Right !
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/14/ohio-town-must-pay-back-millions-fines-collected-from-speed-cameras-court-rules.html
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March 15, 2018 8:31am
DifferentPerspective

Vandalising a tree = Environmentalit???

Up is down and black is white eh?

So Mike Smith – the nasty piece of work who took a chainsaw to the Scots Pine on One Tree Hill in 1994 to stick it to whitey, has rebranded himself as an “Environmentalist”.
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March 15, 2018 8:32am
- Inandout
  
  Add this weirdo to the list of radicals-
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11697406
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:47am
- 3-coil
  
  DP (8:23am) – good, we can all feel virtuous if we follow the tree conservation behavior of environmentalist Mike Smith then.
  
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  March 15, 2018 11:30am
DifferentPerspective

How do you get your husband to do anything?

Tell him he’s too old to do it!
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March 15, 2018 8:41am
- VicParking
  
  Sexist, racist, Genderist, demeaning, abusive. Don’t expect to be allowed to get into the United Kingtom in the near future.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:55am
- KiWombat
  
  I’ve made it from my bed to the couch – there’s no stopping me now !
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:55am
Chris2

Labour covered-up the Darren Hughes case too. Phil Goff was leader of the Labour Party at the time and sat on it for four weeks, hoping to keep it secret. Ardern is no different.
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March 15, 2018 8:49am
- simpleton1
  
  She never did learn, but touts the cultist labour themes.
  Just hoping there is no evidence 🙂
  
  He [Darren Hughes] is known to have spent time at the Hawke’s Bay bolthole of broadcaster Paul Henry with Labour MP Jacinda Ardern, but colleagues are refusing to say where he might go now.
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5118757/Darren-Hughes-says-he-still-has-much-to-offer
  
  “Lets do this”, so it is her turn now, now that she is leader.
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:00am
- VicParking
  
  Yes, turn to Chapter six of the LNZ little red handbook. It describes how to use coverups and other assorted misinformation strategies to divert attention. If that does not work move to chapter seven called “Lie, obfuscate, deny and victim blame if all else fails”
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:03am
- Longknives
  
  “Labour covered-up the Darren Hughes case too. Phil Goff was leader of the Labour Party at the time and sat on it for four weeks”
  
  Fnarr Fnarr….
  
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  March 15, 2018 10:09am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Labour don’t do obeying the law well. Their staff always believe “it’s ok when the Left do it”.
  
  Funny how journos care when they’re affected though
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10548873
  
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  March 15, 2018 10:52am
sooty

So which MP, or high Labour party members child was at the sex camp?
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March 15, 2018 8:57am
- VicParking
  
  Tamati Coffey
  Liz Craig
  Andrew Kirton
  Jacinda Ardern
  Parliament Staffers
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:06am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    WO has claimed that two staff members from the Whips Office were at the camp, and would have known what happened.
    
    You can be absolutely certain that the staffers will have reported back to their boss, Senior Whip Ruth Dyson. And at the absolute bare minimum, Dyson will have alerted the PM’s Chief of Staff, if not the PM herself.
    
    The timeline published by WO yesterday is very interesting. Between 14 February and 3rd March, when Megan Woods was contacted by one of the victims, very little, if anything seems to have happened.
    
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/03/the-definitive-timeline-of-labours-sex-scandal/
    
    What’s also interesting is that Parliament was sitting throughout that time, rising for a recess on March 1st. That means Ardern will have been in her Wellington office at least three days a week, and probably more. An OIA of her diary for that period might be revealing.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:51am
    - KiWombat
      
      Oh – whoops ! It has been accidentally destroyed !
      
      Bummer !
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:53am
    - Inandout
      
      I don’t particularly like Cam because of his Bill English hobbyhorse, but his sources of information are generally impeccable. A lot of what he wrote about ‘the camp’ would have come from his tip line.
      
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      March 15, 2018 11:36am
    - Kimbo
      
      Is that the same Whale Oil who assured his readers a month ago that his sources were confirming the Chris leaking of the Chris Bishop Snap Chat complaints was a “blue on blue” hit job initiated by Bill English
      
      …but who now insists it was a botched job by Labour to distract when they (incorrectly) anticipated their Youth Camp scandal to break?
      
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      March 15, 2018 11:42am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        He’s up the garden path with that Kimbo. Editorial decisions for the Sunday Star-Times would have already been made before the indecent assaults took place at the Labour summer camp.
        
        And to be fair, I don’t believe for a moment that someone from Team English leaked the story to the SST.
        
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        March 15, 2018 1:28pm
Rodney Randall

The UK = Islamic Republic.
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March 15, 2018 9:06am
- Kimbo
  
  Rodney Randall = fascist
  
  Hey, this is an easy spray-and-walk-away game! ?
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:28am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Can I play this game to?
    
    Kimbo = Communist
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:45am
    - Kimbo
      
      Ah, EAD! Thought you’ld be along soon. Here, let me introduce you to a potential new friend/fanboi, Rodney Randall. He has lots in common with a bunch of guys you really like. You see, he thinks the power of the state should be used to restrict the otherwise legal religious practices of others.
      
      Yeah, I know at this stage it is only Islam and halal over which he’s shaking his fist, but I’m sure you can work with that promising clay. Maybe start by sharing with him your knowledge of another time place and religion, that if you start off small (maybe a few laws to safeguard national security, made at, say, Nuremberg)…and next thing you’ve hopefully got the (and I quote you) “spontaneous” burning of synagogues.
      
      Or is that not the actions and definition of a fascist? ?
      
      Anyway, enough of my matchmaking. I’ll leave you two to get cozy… ?
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:23am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    You got the spelling right today Kimbo.
    Well done!
    
    It was refreshing yesterday to see you come out in support of your other other fabian, handwringing, god botherer Ralph Taylor from St Albans the Martyr.
    
    I’m glad you enjoyed that Catholic article exposing the corrupt UNHCR!
    
    Here is the link again:
    https://www.nzcatholic.org.nz/2017/03/20/iraqs-christian-refugees-face-double-discrimination/
    
    May your wishy washy love of all things Islamic (halal funded terrorism) continue. Allahu Ackbar!
    
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    March 15, 2018 12:44pm
Harkman

So Morrissey must be utterly confused, his list will now go something like this,

1. George H. W. Bush
2. Bill O’Reilly …….
5. Bill Clinton
6. Arnold Schwarzenegger…….
18. Harvey Weinstein….
21. Richard Branson…..
46. The Labour Party
47. Young Labour
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March 15, 2018 9:10am
- Harkman
  
  So I long suspected that Ztev was some sort of Young Labour group troll or on campus group given they were absent during O week. Their absence is extremely suspicious.
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:18am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    ztev is serving a three-month ban for making a defamatory comment; Strike 7. He’ll be back in June; maybe.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:21am
    - kaykaybee
      
      Allow them to concentrate on speaker’s duties
      
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      March 15, 2018 9:38am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Ztev’s not 20 years old is he??
    
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    March 15, 2018 11:26am
    - sooty
      
      Which one?
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:44pm
- stephieboy
  
  Harkman , why omit the present POTUS ? You will need to change the ranking with him at No 1
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:28am
  - All_on_Red
    
    PERVWATCH
    A division of Groperwatch
    Today we look at one of Kiwiblogs Biggest Creeps.
    Yes, it’s RALPH/STEPHIEBOY
    This sleezy creep has had Strikes for linking to porn sites on KB.
    Who has such a lack of judgement.
    Yes, it’s STEPHIEBOY.
    An admitted PERV who said this:
    
    ‘19,565 COMMENTS
    stephieboy
    Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire?
    Thumb up 7 Thumb down 36REPLY REPORTAUGUST 21, 2016 8:51AM’
    
    ‘Honeypots’!!!
    And this;
    Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
    Thumb up 1 Thumb down 16REPLY REPORTDECEMBER 3, 2015 2:26
    
    Wow, just wow.
    PERVWATCH is brought to you as a public service to out the creeps amongst us.
    RAPLH/STEPHIEBOY is PERV #1
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:43am
    - GoVege
      
      2015, AOR?
      When you gonna get over it?
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:09am
      - Garbageman
        
        Possibly the same day stoopidboy doesn’t rinse & repeat the same bollocks everyday like he has been for nearly 22k comments, keep it up AOR future readers need to be kept aware of the resident perv & his cultural ways
        
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        March 15, 2018 12:58pm
lifesgood

I know the police are involved in the Labour party sex scandal but I don’t have any faith that something will come of it. What about Darren Hughes? What about Helen Clarke’s speeding offence? what about Helen Clarke’s fraudulent signature? What about…what about, what about?
I am surprised John Key didn’t get locked up for a playful tug on a pony tail, though. I have a nasty, sneaking suspicion that the govt leans on the powers that be to shut things down. Integrity is what is needed, it is sadly lacking.
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March 15, 2018 9:10am
- GoVege
  
  That fraudulent signature still gets to me!
  Can you imagine?
  This chick thinks just because she’s the Prime Minister of the nation, she doesn’t need to stop and paint a picture herself to raise money for abused animals!!
  
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  March 15, 2018 10:12am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Well actually Vege, your sarcasm misses the point.
    
    It was a painting to be auctioned for charity on the basis that it had been painted by klerk. Meaning that the fundraisers were looking to encourage bidders to pay more for it because of that. The fact that it is questionable why anyone in their right mind would pay good money for something painted by klerk doesn’t alter the fact that she knew the fundraisers were looking to get more money on the basis that she had painted it. Aside from the amount of money involved, no difference from marketing a rip-off of a genuine artwork.
    
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    March 15, 2018 11:03am
    - Paulus
      
      Didn’t Clark’s Electorate Secretary buy the painting and destroyed it.
      I believe she was the first Mrs Jim Anderton.
      
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      March 15, 2018 1:16pm
    - GoVege
      
      Bulldust, Leo!
      She did paint it.
      She painted her name in the bottom corner.. 🙂
      And only a mean as, nutty, nasty Nat would squeal to the cops over such a nit-pickin point.
      
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      March 15, 2018 2:01pm
    - GoVege
      
      And I don’t do “sarcasm”, Leonardo, just gentle irony. 🙂
      
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      March 15, 2018 2:13pm
MCos

Here’s some welcome news for refugees around the world
“White South African farmers may soon be able to emigrate more easily to Australia because of the “horrific circumstances” under which many are living in SA. The Australian Home Affairs Minister, Peter Dutton, has revealed that his department is investigating various methods for SA farmers to have their visas fast-tracked on humanitarian, refugee or other visa programmes.”
If Australia is fast tracking visas for refugees from South Africa no doubt that will raise the hopes of others in far more dire circumstances.
https://www.sapeople.com/2018/03/14/australia-may-soon-welcome-white-south-african-farmers-with-fast-track-visas/
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March 15, 2018 9:11am
- GoVege
  
  Why the heck should they have to emigrate?
  When is our government going to loudly condemn the theft of their farms, and torture and murder of farmers and their workers??
  
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  March 15, 2018 2:12pm
- Longknives
  
  “If Australia is fast tracking visas for refugees from South Africa no doubt that will raise the hopes of others in far more dire circumstances.”
  
  Wanker comment of the day.
  You know full well what is happening to White Farmers and their families in South Africa.
  Rape,Torture and Murder not ‘Dire’ enough for you??
  
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  March 15, 2018 3:21pm
KevOB

The UK are now in disgrace.
Where is the sense of British Justice which the world has cherished? The case made out against Russia doesn’t meet criminal standards of proof.

When an already turned spy gets taken out, his masters may have been responsible. Perhaps he got caught becoming a treble agent. Are the Brits turning a Russian spy for their gain not acting against the Russian state? Who has clean hands?

The nerve agent has not been been demonstrably proven–no sample has been offered. Stocks of the alleged agent have been certified by international authorities as having been destroyed. Stocks of that were also widely dispersed and may have fallen into undesirable hands after the Soviet fall.
The formula has been published too. Made in the USSR or made in the USA or UK or…?

No facts have been given at all. We only have “reports” not evidence. Possible terrible consequences demand high grade proof before action.

The UK action has to be seen as deliberately provocative.
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March 15, 2018 9:27am
- Dave Mann
  
  You are joking, aren’t you?
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:38am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    You are joking about him joking aren’t you?
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:42am
    - Sir Leslie Bottocks
      
      You are joking about him joking about him joking, aren’t you?
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:05am
      - Kimbo
        
        Hey, SLB. Long time no see.
        
        So, how’s about that Aussie cricket team of yours and the wonderful stuff they’ve been doing lately to “foster the spirit of the game”? Bet Don Bradman would be proud. ?
        
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        March 15, 2018 10:40am
- MCos
  
  Winston’ll pinch that spiel for his next speech to get the Russian trade agreement back on track again.
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:45am
  - Paulus
    
    If Peters goes for the Trade Agreement with Russia neither the UK or the EC will come anywhere New Zealand with positive agreements.
    Silly old arse.
    
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    March 15, 2018 1:18pm
    - MCos
      
      Scruples soon go out the window if there’s money to be made.
      Happens all the time.
      Look at the way everyone sucks up to the Saudis
      
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      March 15, 2018 2:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  KevOB , the UK Government must have reasonable grounds to believe and Russia should co operate based on your surmise that they seem to have nothing to answer for .
  
  First release relevant documentation etc
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:54am
MrTips

Well done NZ, you got the moron you voted for. For someone with a BA in Communications, Jacinda is THICK.

At her hastily arranged shut-down with the pommie unionist Haworth, it was pointed out to Jacinda that her social media pages still showed photos of the camp – THREE days after it broke. They could be used to identify the perp or victims. She was all “it didn’t occur to me”.
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/jacinda-ardern-responds-claims-photos-remain-labour-party-social-media-accounts-waihi-youth-camp

She is thick. Well done NZ. You have a No Idea Prime Minister.
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March 15, 2018 9:29am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Apparently her Instagram account, and social media accounts of all MP’s involved, have now been sanitised. Obviously though, her communications degree didn’t teach her that once you post of photo on the internet, it is there forever, even after you delete it from your own account.
  
  PR fail Ms Ardern.
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:40am
  - Kimbo
    
    Looks like Cindy is failing to remember the first lesson they teach in “Communications”: make sure the message matches the facts. ?
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:46am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Wrong way ’round i think kimbo. I believe that the first lesson is in fact to make the facts match your message.
      
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      March 15, 2018 11:09am
- alex Masterley
  
  What struck me about the media standup yesterday was that it took place outside her office on New North Road.
  Why couldn’t she have grabbed a local hall or similar rather than witter on outside on a foot path.
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:55am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Masterley, they won’t have any money for hall hireage until their $100/head Westie Pirates Paedo orgy in April.
    
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    March 15, 2018 11:10am
    - sooty
      
      I think that was the best place. Standing in the gutter.
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:42pm
  - fernglas
    
    Because halls are only for the rich. Real people do it on the street.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:35pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes and she said they would get on to it right away!
  (3 days later)
  She has Tracey Mardin Min of Children
  And
  Claire Currently Min of Broadcasting and Communications
  To help her
  
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  March 15, 2018 12:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Pete George’s blogsite has a pic from Liz Craig’s Facebook showing her and a bunch of young folk with booze at the Camp.
  (You have to click on the edited Newshub pic to get through to the facebook pics.)
  https://yournz.org/2018/03/15/20-year-old-should-front-up/
  
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  March 15, 2018 2:16pm
Keeping Stock

Tracey Martin copped a kicking on Twitter last night. There she was, over in the Chatham Islands with Peters and a host of Labour and NZF MP’s, opening a new wharf. After it was suggested to her that National had actually built and paid for the wharf, she had this to say:

Tracey Martin
‏ @TraceyMartinMP

Replying to @TraceyMartinMP @gwynncompton
This government will not continue to ignore those New Zealanders who live outside of the main Centre’s like the last government did. These kiwi’s are tax payers too.

Firstly, don’t get me started on her apostrophe abuse; my pet hate! But the tweets flowed back and forth, with Martin digging a bigger hole, until Graeme Edgeler delivered the coup de grace; check this out:

Graeme Edgeler
‏

@GraemeEdgeler

Replying to @JudithCollinsMP
Not only did it start under National, New Zealand First voted against it! ref: https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20160809_20160809_12 …
& http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/2016/estimates/v8/062.htm …

https://twitter.com/GraemeEdgeler/status/973856524668846081

Oh dear; check out the link above to the image Graeme provided with his tweet, and you’ll see that NZF, Labour and the Greens all voted AGAINST an appropriation to Internal Affairs that funded this new wharf. That small fact of course didn’t stop a whole troop of Labour and NZ MP’s jumping on the RNZAF flight to the Chathams to bask in the glory, and doubtless enjoy a good feed of kai moana.

Personally Tracey, given that you are Minister for Children, I’d rather hear your thoughts on young people, some possibly under 16, being plied with grog, then indecently assaulted.
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March 15, 2018 9:37am
- kaykaybee
  
  Saw that go down and it was a good hit; but I’m going to your last sentence KS. It is this Martin woman of whom questions re the Labour debacle need to be asked. She is one angry, unreasonable and fundamentally thick person and cannot take the partisan out of anything she says or does in the House. Fire them all at her…suggestions?
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:44am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Not a silly idea at all kaykaybee. I predict there could be a meltdown of spectacular proportions 😀
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:54am
  - kevn
    
    @KKB… have you ever seen/heard Martin go off in house debates? Like a noisy chainsaw stuck on full throttle. Just grating and awful. I’m sure everyone in earshot just shuts the noise out.
    Compare to Judith Collins barbed but measured tones. Very effective.
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:09am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  If only the MSM would highlight this hypocrisy. Is that too much to ask?
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:49am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Yes.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:54am
MCos

I see the Democrats won a House seat off the Republicans yesterday in a district that is so conservative they didn’t even put someone up in the last two elections. Trump had a rally there just a few days ago that doesn’t seem to have done his man any good.
The American midterm elections are going to be interesting.
I remember in years gone by when the President has been floundering in the polls, as this one is, local candidates want nothing to do with them.
Apparently the Republican guy in this by election presented himself as hard core Trump. Maybe he was just plain useless & the other guy hit all the buttons.
Whatever.
Maybe the Trump bombast is not being matched by results for the voters that matter.
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March 15, 2018 9:41am
- backster
  
  The Dem guy had a glib voice and a pretty face even though a different gender to our unmarried mother.
  
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  March 15, 2018 3:46pm
lastmanstanding

What really amuses me is that in this age of social media phones that photo video and record these morons thought they could cover it all up. Spare me. Even an old fart like me with a 3G phone knows that nothing is secret.

Just goes to show the stupidity of the Left along with their arrogance and contempt.

They have the ethics and morals of a weasel.
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March 15, 2018 9:45am
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  “Even an old fart like me ”
  
  A revealing admission on your part that shines in many of your posts.
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:49am
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    ageist
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:24am
  - Manolo
    
    As any good Muslim, you like them young and tender, do you? 😀
    
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    March 15, 2018 11:32am
- Komata
  
  Lastman
  
  A bit tough on the Weasels there methinks old chap; Mustela at least have some sort of morals and values, even if they may not be the ones we are used to…
  
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  March 15, 2018 1:03pm
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I must say it was with some trepidation I received this from a friend .But after reading it the arguments debunking Sir Winston Churchill are compelling ,

Opinions | In Winston Churchill, Hollywood rewards a mass murderer

The thought occurred that a timely Part 2 Hour of darkness needs to be made . A useful corrective to the uncritical slop dished up by fawning Churchill fans .i

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/opinions-in-winston-churchill-hollywood-rewards-a-mass-murderer/ar-BBK7flL
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March 15, 2018 9:46am
- kevn
  
  septicboy… Go back to sleep.
  
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  March 15, 2018 10:01am
  - stigie
    
    But give your favorite goat one first..?
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:26am
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      What have you got against goats?
      
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      March 15, 2018 2:31pm
- Kimbo
  
  …with some trepidation…
  
  Hmm. That’s the most dishonest statement I’ve read on Kiwiblog since Kea/realityczech/felching straw insisted “truth” is the reason for his posts here. ?
  
  And I’ve always found Churchill’s incompetence a more interesting antidote to the fawning hagiography. Gallipoli, Greece, Crete, the Italian Campaign, lots of Kiwis killed unnecessarily in those strategic blunders. But it still doesn’t detract from the reality that on the one thing that counted, on which Western Civilisation depended, he was right. After all, no one ever wrote a revisionist article labelling Lord ahalifax. War criminal. ?
  
  So yes, “Darkest Hour” was a movie worth making.
  
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  March 15, 2018 10:04am
  - stephieboy
    
    Kimbo , read the arguments put forward by the writer and in carefully measured way consider them .
    
    Then respond and not react !
    
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    March 15, 2018 12:20pm
- Jack5
  
  Why do we get sucked into answering the Stephiestani trolling syndicate?????
  
  Stephie X points to a disgruntled Indian’s attack on Churchill, an attack which includes this:
  
  “Dealing with unrest in Mesopotamia in 1921, as secretary of state for the colonies, Churchill acted as a war criminal: “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against the uncivilised tribes; it would spread a lively terror.”
  
  In fact the Geneva Protocol, in which countries agreed to ban the use of poison gas, did not come into effect until 8 February 1928.
  
  One of Churchill’s strong points was courage. He showed it through his life.
  
  After the failure of Gallipoli, he went to the front line in France and commanded a battalion of the Royal Scots Fusiliers in the trenches.
  
  I can understand some Indians feeling resentful towards Churchill, but those Indians surely will not be moving to those Western countries that Churchill played a big part in saving.
  
  I strongly suggested the same to the members of Stephiestani Trolls Ltd. If you don’t like it here, fuck off back to Stephiestan.
  
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  March 15, 2018 11:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5 , I certainly was not pleased nor agreed with the writers observations and conclusion
    
    Certainly Churchill bu any stretch of the imagination be compared to Hitler but the facts if you are an Indian national you can see things differently .
    
    And remember it was an”opinion “
    
    Got that !
    
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    March 15, 2018 12:24pm
Lee C

It was the same bloody-mindedness that ‘saved’ Britain from Nazi invasion. You can’t have your cake and eat it, unfortunately. I don’t advocate overlooking the truth, I’ve known for years for example he sent out tanks and infantry against striking miners.
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March 15, 2018 9:57am
- alloytoo
  
  Great men, are not necessarily nice, but sometimes they are necessary.
  
  Darkest hour depicts a man past his prime, called upon to manage a herculean task at his country’s, if not the world’s, darkest hour.
  
  History doesn’t tell us what a world under Axis domination would look like. Thank you Mr Churchill.
  
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  March 15, 2018 10:10am
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    History doesn’t tell us what a world under Axis domination would look like
    
    The complete opposite of todays “modern” multimulti marxist madhouse.
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:36am
    - Kimbo
      
      Ok, so just to be clear, you have no objections to
      
      EAD = Nazi Apologist
      
      ? ?
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:43am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO . minus the death camps , concentration camps, torture , civilian massacres and Lebensarum etc
      
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      March 15, 2018 12:26pm
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD TWO,
        
        “ Then the ship arrived at Tilbury docks from Jamaica in June 1948, carrying 417 Black immigrants, it represented more than just a turning point in the history of those ancient isles. In some respects it signalled the beginning of mass, organized non-White immigration into northwest Europe. Back in November, TOO published my research on the role of Jews in limiting free speech and manipulating ‘race relations’…”
        
        Utter balderdash
        
        Lets blame the Jews ?
        
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        March 15, 2018 12:29pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  It was the same bloody-mindedness that ‘saved’ Britain from Nazi invasion
  
  Very appropriate choice of grammar.
  
  It was little over 2 years after the axis was defeated that a new invasion begun but one which didn’t involve tanks and guns but has utterly destroyed the British Nation.
  
  Perhaps the Germans should have downed their weapons and pretended to be “vibrant” “hard working” immigrants “in search of a better life”.
  
  http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/07/12/jews-the-ss-empire-windrush-and-the-origins-of-multicultural-britain/
  
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  March 15, 2018 10:44am
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    EAD TWO , Andrew Joyce a member of a Neo Nazi ant jew hit list ,
    
    This Neo-Nazi Hit List Helps Jew-Hating Trump Trolls Find Their Targets
    
    https://forward.com/news/351917/this-neo-nazi-hit-list-helps-jew-hating-trump-trolls-find-their-targets/
    
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    March 15, 2018 12:34pm
- KevOB
  
  What’s not shown is Churchill’s insistence on the Royal Navy in Norway which then took out 9 large German warships that made the invasion of Gt Britain impossible.
  
  Read his personal history of WWII it’s compelling.
  
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  March 15, 2018 11:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    KevOB , what made invasion impossible was the failure of the Luftwaffe to wrest control from the RAF of the skies over Britain .
    
    Fortuitous also was the failure of the Luftwaffe to continue their successdful bombing and attacking RAF airfields .
    
    Instead divert bombing of London and other centres .
    
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    March 15, 2018 12:46pm
    - RF
      
      Stephieboy.
      
      You are a conundrum as at times I have to agree with you.
      
      Keep up the good work…
      
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      March 15, 2018 3:43pm
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      The Germans lost the ability also to carry troops for the invasion–too many needed and would have taken too long. The docs show it was easier to defer.
      
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      March 15, 2018 5:09pm
Anne Glen Eden

I like Kate Hawkesby’s writing this morning.

NZ’s claim to fame is always all about ‘law’ by self-righteous, virtue-signalling SJWs. But that doesn’t describe the reality of our society. The ‘law’ is not ‘humanity’ and ours does not serve the needs or interests of human beings, especially children, in NZ.

A few years ago, we had the Roastbusters scandal. It’s often reported as ‘rape’ but it wasn’t in any physical sense. They got the girls drunk, partied, and had sex with them. Then they crowed about it. There was no bruises, blood, etc. And, as usual, the victims didn’t want to be outed in the media – so nothing could be done.

It’s no different to what goes on in workplaces like Russell McVeagh et al every day and what’s gone on in the Labour Party youth camps. Except in the Roastbusters case, the outcome was social shaming. From workplaces, and to some extent Labour youth camps, you’re talking about social shaming AND loss of jobs present or future, loss of privileges, friends, and associates. And, of course, you’re always at risk from being savaged by the media depending on their political bias.

The Roastbusters were only doing what NZ adults do, particularly those with the power and privilege to get away with it. Children have a nasty habit of doing that – they learn what you do, not what you say.

Soper, today, says he was a victim of a predator too. That really doesn’t surprise me in NZ – a lot of people have been. He also says that the person who helped him was his Mum. That really goes against the Labour Party and SJW message of not telling the parents.

But what did he and his Mum do about the predator? Was Soper counselled to keep quiet, he wasn’t really ‘hurt’, the predator has ‘problems’, is ‘confused’, you can’t prove it. Was the predator dealt with? Stopped? Or was the predator just left to go prey on others? The same applies to the Roastbusters, even given the publicity.

I fully understand the need for ‘sensitivity’ to victims, and even perpetrators because I know where that behaviour comes from. I don’t believe in public ‘witch hunts’. But NZ uses that as an excuse to perpetuate the behaviour – and then wails and weeps over its social statistics and points the finger at other societies. It only deals with what hits the public with everyone covering their arse and uses poster-people like Louise Nicholas as evidence that it’s all ‘fixed’. It is shameful.

Our Assistant Police Commissioner of the time said, “”Where was the respect for these girls? Where was it? That’s a really basic question.” I would say where is the respect for any past, present, or future victims? And it is a really basic question, the answer being ‘Nowhere’. The SJWs are busy continuing to normalise the lost boundaries and precocious behaviour that derives from abuse and blame everyone but themselves for it.

There are a load of professionals trying to do good work with victims, but they’re mostly funded by Govt which never wants to be embarassed, or particularly to have their funders embarassed.

I don’t doubt there’s a lot of people who don’t like the Harvey Weinstein scandals and the #MeToo movement. Because he didn’t leave bruises and blood, either – and it’s the same thing they’ve been doing. It’s just so easy to say ‘It’s at the lower end of the scale – but I’m not minimising it’.

But to say people weren’t ‘hurt’ by it is absurd. And thank God that having reached adulthood, there are some who are prepared to stand up and say so – but they’re all people with enough resources to withstand the backlash on victims speaking out.

It does ‘hurt’ people, especially children, and the whole of society. It twists and distorts every relationship and the possibility of forming and maintaining healthy, honest relationships. It prevents honesty, destroys trust in every level of society. Our social statistics will not improve until we start dealing with it, honestly and realistically, instead of covering it up.
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March 15, 2018 10:46am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Could the downticker here please explain what part of this post is so offensive or wrong, or are you a first class pervert, rapist or other type of delinquent?
  
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  March 15, 2018 12:51pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    The first sentence in Anne Glen Eden’s post should give you a clue :”I like Kate Hawkesby’s writing”.
    Wrong name you see.
    The red flag list for the CoL troll roster will no doubt include the name of Kate Hawkesby, Mike Hosking, Bob Jones etc and it wouldn’t matter what they said,or what the actual poster wrote about, they would still be downticked.
    It’s comrade policy, see?
    
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    March 15, 2018 2:19pm
  - MCos
    
    When someone puts a comment up here Kiwiblog allows the option of agreeing or disagreeing with no compulsion to give a reason.
    Personally with a comprehensive initial comment such as the one by Anne I’d rather see a discussion than a down tick, but there you go.
    Maybe there’s a time constraint. Maybe the dog’s just thrown up all over the carpet.
    To suggest someone is a pervert is a bit presumptuous.
    
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    March 15, 2018 2:25pm
Manolo

Volatility rules:
https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/dow-declines-by-triple-digits-on-trade-war-concerns

U.S. stocks continued to slump on Wednesday, as concerns over U.S. trade tensions weighed on the market.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average dropped 248.91 points, or 1%, to 24,758.12. The S&P 500 fell 15.83 points, or 0.57%, to 2,749.48. The Nasdaq Composite was down 14.2 points, or 0.19%, at 7,496.81.
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March 15, 2018 10:54am
Nev.

History doesn’t tell us what a world under Axis domination would look like.
I would assume that the Germanic people would be a lot safer from Muslim attacks than they currently are.
Nev.
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March 15, 2018 11:00am
- Lance
  
  After millions of murders by the Nazi’s of anybody that even looked sideways… I am sure Arabs would not be bothering the Germanic people.
  FFS………..
  
  Safer under the Nazi’s ????
  
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  March 15, 2018 11:21am
- DigNap15
  
  Actually the whole of Europe would be free of muslims and immigrants from shit hole countries
  
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  March 15, 2018 12:15pm
  - Lance
    
    Probably, but just those pesky totalitarian values though, like stifling and murderous oppression would remain.
    
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    March 15, 2018 12:57pm
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      Those are all key values worshiped by the current invaders.
      
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      March 15, 2018 3:38pm
  - fernglas
    
    Europe would also be free of Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, communists, liberals, Slavs, cripples, the intellectually challenged, the insane, left wingers, freethinkers, and probably gingers. Wouldn’t be much of Europe left.
    
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    March 15, 2018 9:45pm
- noskire
  
  It would probably be something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzayf9GpXCI
  
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  March 15, 2018 3:40pm
Manolo

The crook is not welcome:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/14/hillary-clinton-criticized-by-fellow-dems-for-trashing-female-trump-voters.html

Democrats who typically fall into the Clinton camp are trashing the two-time failed presidential candidate for singling out white female Trump voters, blaming their ballots cast in 2016 on “pressure” from male figures in their lives.
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March 15, 2018 11:09am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yep, that is typical of many feminists on the university/UN/political “service” gravy train.
  They have scant respect for the ordinary, everyday hard working women across the board.
  These authoritarian feminists, with “we know better than you” attitudes, are less aware than a lot of men.
  
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  March 15, 2018 1:32pm
DifferentPerspective

65,000 want Bob Jones’ knighthood stripped
I had no idea there were so many complete and utter losers in the country.

Pretty shocking really!
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March 15, 2018 11:19am
- Lance
  
  The same sort of people that were marching against TPP ” because John Key was a poofta”
  The intelligentsia
  
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  March 15, 2018 11:23am
- Poppa
  
  I would pay a lot of money to watch the princess explain to Sir Bob that he was losing his title
  
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  March 15, 2018 11:53am
- waikatogirl
  
  Do they know who Sir Bob is? Just some old white guy they are offended by I imagine.
  
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  March 15, 2018 12:03pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Like the old white guy Nigel Howarth?
    
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    March 15, 2018 2:39pm
Jack5

Mattel brings out a Barbie of Frida Kahlo.

Next thing they’ll be bringing out a Barbie of her boyfriend, “Ken” Trotsky.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12013116
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March 15, 2018 11:24am
- Harkman
  
  Yes, one of her relatives is objecting. Either Kahlo’s relative is a mega Marxist or she is holding out for more money from Mattel. Obviously, Marxism worked out really well for Mexico.
  
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  March 15, 2018 11:45am
publicwatchdog

When did the 99% of Aucklanders who are NOT cycling commuters agree to this?

Whose idea was it to push cycleways (for the 1% of cycling commuters) on main arterial roads and through suburban shopping centres?

IMO – the real agenda is to use urban cycleways to help push intensification, by removing or reducing parking from suburban shops.

“No parking – no stopping – no shopping.”

Who benefit$?

Follow the money ….

When these local businesses wither and die – who gets to buy the buildings?

Commercial (overseas?) property developers – who can then take advantage of the Auckland Unitary Plan to build high rise apartment buildings?

When customers can’t get parking at their local shopping centres – where do they go?

To the corporate shopping malls – where there’s plenty of parking?

https://at.govt.nz/media/1974191/item114-auckland-cycling-programme-for-

“Background

7 Auckland Transport has worked with the transport agency and council to prepare a programme business case to direct investment in cycling over the next ten years from 2018-2028.

8 The 2015-2018 investment of $200 million in cycling is part of the Urban Cycle Programme, a joint investment by the Ministry of Transport, the transport agency and council to deliver 52 km of new cycleway.

The programme was approved before the Better Business Case approach adopted by the transport agency and approved on the basis of a strategic case for investment.

Ongoing investment in cycling in Auckland by the transport agency requires the organisation to submit a programme business case to ensure investment aligns with strategic priorities.

9 Investment of the 2015-2018 programme, 27km of which is now delivered, is starting to evidence the impact that a connected network of cycleway could have on Auckland’s transport system.

The northwestern cycleway has experienced a 44 per cent increase in cycle trips since the Lightpath and Grafton Gully connections were made.

Aucklanders are reporting greater satisfaction with the state of cycling infrastructure in Auckland and the organisations research shows that more people agree that investment in cycling is important for Auckland.

The programme business case proposes investment that will build on this success.
…”

Penny Bright
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March 15, 2018 11:57am
Inandout

Some amusing camp names from the internet:
Camp Majesty
Camp Armor
Camp Ecstasy
Camp Pity
Camp Downfall
Camp Disbelief
Camp Mountain Peak
Camp Ivory
Camp Open Door
Camp Heartbreak

I am sure some are applicable to Labour.
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March 15, 2018 11:58am
- cmm
  
  Labour Camp
  
  Surely that would appeal to the commies….
  
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  March 15, 2018 12:00pm
- RalphT
  
  Or in the light of their determination to downplay the seriousness of this, how about Carry on Camping?
  
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  March 15, 2018 12:13pm
  - Anne Glen Eden
    
    Actually, I’ve long been against the politicisation of children but it’s happening anyway, particularly from Labour/left wing/ liberals.
    
    What the children of NZ really need is their own #MeToo movement.
    
    Genuine youth leaders who are, themselves, young could be providing true leadership and protection of their own by demanding protection for those who can’t demand it for themselves – in every culture, every Party, every gender etc.
    
    Northland would be a great place to start.
    
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    March 15, 2018 12:36pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      I agree Anne, nothing worse than children being used in a political protest as many parents seem intent on doing. Children know nothing than what they are told and should not be used as leverage for political beliefs or adults’ gain.
      
      The media are complicit in this when they interview children on their one-dimensional view of life.
      
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      March 15, 2018 12:56pm
- Garbageman
  
  Camp Brokeback Mountain after all the perv in question wasn’t the gender discriminating type good Labour values followed to the letter
  
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  March 15, 2018 1:13pm
waikatogirl

The Aussie health nazis are after your sausages, snarlers, snags, bangers for containing too much ‘hidden’ salt. Salt targets are being called for for sausage makers. The average Aussie eats 44 snarlers a year. Expect this new health regime to jump the ditch, already making our msm news.

Same old common sense story to avoid health problems caused by salty foods, vary your diet and don’t have too often. Everything in moderation.
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March 15, 2018 12:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Anyone else longing for a good salt and dripping white-bread sammy?
  
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  March 15, 2018 1:16pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’m cooking pork belly for dinner, and it has a good layer of salt on what will become perfect crackling. For extra taste, I’ve rubbed some fennel seeds in as well 😀
    
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    March 15, 2018 2:49pm
    - RF
      
      Mouth watering. Use plenty of rock salt so it’s crispy.
      
      My dear wife rarely cooks pork with crackling as
      she believes it’s bad for my health. I am tempted to tell her that it will be her health that will suffer if she does not do as I say. At least I will quietly say this to myself.
      
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      March 15, 2018 3:38pm
      - GoVege
        
        Yes, RF, meat-eating does that to you.
        Don’t forget the “pork” you are consuming very recently belonged to a sensitive, intelligent being probably brainier than your own RF,RF.
        
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        March 15, 2018 7:21pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Perfect crackling is one skill I have yet to master.
      
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      March 15, 2018 3:48pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        It’s partly in the choice of meat. Get pork with a good layer of fat under the skin. Chuck it in a hot oven for about 15 minutes (+200*C), and if it hasn’t crackled within 15 minutes, it probably won’t. Then turn the oven right down, and slow-cook the meet.
        
        In a worst-case scenario, you can always stick it under the grill at the end 😀
        
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        March 15, 2018 6:45pm
Rich Prick

There’s quite a loud #MeToo protest outside Russell McVeagh at the moment. Let’s see if they march off to Fraser House next …
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March 15, 2018 1:34pm
- Rich Prick
  
  … nope, didn’t think they would. First. Class. Hypocrites.
  
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  March 15, 2018 1:46pm
  - RF
    
    Gutless feminists.
    
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    March 15, 2018 3:29pm
- Prince
  
  Organised by Vic Uni Students Assoc union. Much aggro towards evil Law firms. No mention of the repeat offences by Labour Party officials in positions of power against young people.
  
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  March 15, 2018 3:38pm
JasonJohns

another big win for trumpy in pennsylvania
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March 15, 2018 1:49pm
- Inandout
  
  It appeared similar to a by election with the Republican stepping down. Hard to figure when Trump is pushing coal mining, but I guess the unions have the final say.
  
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  March 15, 2018 2:04pm
JasonJohns

“The president’s engagement in the race turned what was a deficit for the Republican candidate to what is essentially a tie,” said White House deputy press secretary Raj Shah.

“Also the Democrat in the race really embraced the president’s policies and his vision whereas he didn’t really embrace Nancy Pelosi, the Democratic leader.”
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March 15, 2018 1:49pm
Maxx

Only just saw this – not really what you want from your top diplomats

New Zealand diplomat censured after tweeting US Democrats need to ‘get your s*** together’ or ‘we will all die’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/14/new-zealand-diplomat-censured-tweeting-us-democrats-need-get/
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March 15, 2018 1:50pm
- Inandout
  
  Unfortunately under Labour she will get a promotion.
  
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  March 15, 2018 2:08pm
- Manolo
  
  The moron diplomat should be recalled to Wellington and deprived of her sinecure.
  
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  March 15, 2018 2:26pm
- Piniwi
  
  Funny Maxx but it is another glowing example of the unintended consequences that are hiding in the equality argument. It is becoming increasingly apparent that girls can get the jobs but so few can do them. Most likely got her grounding at some earlier Labour camp.
  
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  March 15, 2018 3:39pm
- godruelf
  
  A transfer to a shithole country is order at a minimum.
  
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  March 15, 2018 5:16pm
VicParking

I see Whaleoil is getting so desperate Cam is selling Cars now to make a quid
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/03/southern-autos-deal-of-the-day-2017-isuzu-mux/
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March 15, 2018 1:57pm
- Longknives
  
  What? Membership is low??
  You mean people aren’t willing to fork out hundreds of dollars to read Cam slagging off Bill English and bragging about shooting cats?..
  
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  March 15, 2018 3:13pm
Gravelroad

Stuff has a breaking news banner to alert us to the vital information that Scribe, a rapper, has been convicted on a meth drug charge.
Hello? Is this news?
Who cares?
Is Scribe so noteworthy that he needs this type of reporting? Probably bigger news if he wasn’t an illegal drug user.
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March 15, 2018 2:08pm
- skyblue
  
  Just some coon who thinks he is above the law.
  
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  March 15, 2018 2:19pm
- Manolo
  
  Stuff left serious journalism long ago. It is better to avoid its site.
  
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  March 15, 2018 2:23pm
- Piniwi
  
  @Gravelroad expect that should be illegal drug user “still”. His rap sheet with Police is much longer than his hit list.
  
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  March 15, 2018 3:42pm
- VicParking
  
  Anything to move the Labour fiasco off the front page
  
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  March 15, 2018 5:23pm
howitis

So.
Let’s get this clear:-
Theresa May is dragging her bony arse over Brexit with almost no progress and possible capitulation to (then) inferior countries the Brits fought to free from German tyranny 70 years ago …
but
It is OK to accuse Russia of poisoning two people, who are not even dead, based on ‘well we don’t have any other suspects’ and we are not going to blame our own MI6 for a false flag.

>>>Possible actual suspects in the real world – not Theresa May’s dopey head:-
-Britain is in negotiations (slowly) to Brexit and faces a GBP 50 Billion exit fee. There is an enemy i.e. EU and slimy Brussels with a lot to gain by creating isolation and destabilisation. It has the capability to perform this.

-there is still a strong faction from the (DemoRAT ++) swamp in US that are anti Russia and this is an easy act to perform. A bit of poison on some car door handles voila! They have the capability. How many enemies of this crowd have committed suicide with three shots in the back of the head?

-Russian dissidents prior to the upcoming election. If internally strong enough they have the means.

-Britain has spent heaps on useless wind farms and solar so a contrived stoush with Russia means gas may be cut off so an excuse to build more nuclear – they want to do it but nuclear is unpopular. Solution- create bigger problem via an MI6 or similar inside job
(N.B. The same happened in NZ 1994 -no progress for years on a Waikato river pipeline for Auckland water supply (remember the constant ads for ‘$100m for a new dam’) , a couple of weeks with no rain in summer and panic, possible standpipes in the street, scare the people, oooh shock horror, let’s do this, build a pipeline -big smile- without years of yik yak and f”ing huis and koha)

-similarly the British fracking industry is failing to make headway but removal of Russian Gas (9% of Brit supply) would open the way for more fracking and ‘be patriotic’ .
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/25/fracking-start-2018-shale-gas-uk-industry-protests

There are plenty of plausible alternatives with the motivation and means to put an old guy and his daughter in hospital. The cop was out after 1 day but that is not widely reported.
A professional hit job would not have this tacky result of the guy plus his daughter. It would be certain death. This has the British police involved who can’t find dozens of rapists in Rotherham or Telford or pedos at the BBC.
It might as well be a 1960s Brit movie. Carry On Poisoning.

The idiot Theresa May will tell you that she ‘really, really suspects’ Russia because there is an election next week and Putin wants to look strong but in the next breath will tell you Putin rigs his own elections.
Well which one is it dizzy Theresa?

The Brits won’t release the (supposed) nerve gas to Russia – how about an independent body eg CDC or someone? Switzerland and Sweden are independent nations with advanced chemical industries.
There is no independent proof of what the substance is.

>>>Tony ‘WMD’ Bliar stood up in the British Parliament and said there definitely is Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq and used this to justify a bloody, destructive war that has not settled a decade and a half later and the spawn of this war such as ISIS was based on Bliar’s statement in Parliament.
Lest we forget.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/18/panorama-iraq-fresh-wmd-claims
…Tony Blair told parliament before the war that intelligence showed Iraq’s nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons programme was “active”, “growing” and “up and running”….
…It also shows how claims by Iraqis were treated seriously by elements in MI6 and the CIA even after they were exposed as fabricated including claims, notably about alleged mobile biological warfare containers, made by Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, a German source codenamed Curveball. He admitted to the Guardian in 2011 that all the information he gave to the west was fabricated…

Action based on a lie by the British Prime Minister in Parliament can lead to a world of shit. Ask the people of Iraq who lived in a secular nation before March 2003.

>>>Britain took part in the destruction of Libya in 2011.
This was based on lies and ulterior motives.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
..In 2015 through 2016 the British parliament’s Foreign Affairs Select Committee conducted an extensive and highly critical inquiry into the British involvement in the civil war. It concluded that the early threat to civilians had been overstated and that the significant Islamist element in the rebel forces had not been recognised, due to an intelligence failure. ….

Voila!
Rinse and repeat.

>>>This is provocation by an incompetent Prime Minister who was almost not PM last year because she called an unnecessary election she almost lost.
Her political instincts on that election and on handling a dodgy EU are 0/10
Who would trust anything coming out of this idiots mouth?
Do your own homework.
Don’t trust repeaters. You already know they lie.
Cui bono?
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March 15, 2018 2:49pm
- rangitoto
  
  Dangerous world. Cindy should be kicking off a nuclear weapon and ballistic missile programme so we can properly defend ourselves.
  
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  March 15, 2018 3:52pm
  - Johnboy
    
    We should send Winston over to Pyongyang stat to get a friendship treaty underway with Kim. If weapons technology bears no fruit they could at least compare hairstyles, elevator shoes and ego’s. 🙂
    
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    March 15, 2018 6:31pm
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      That would be an option. Although it would be cheap, Kimmy’s stuff is a bit out of date, being based on old Soviet Union tech. Much better to go for the best tech.
      
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      March 15, 2018 7:34pm
    - RalphT
      
      And I believe that Kim also has a fondness for Scotch, so they should get on like a house on fire, though I understand that Kim has very expense tastes that our dear leader probably won’t be able to keep up with. Will probably find a way of getting out of it when it’s suggested it’s his round. Will probably hold up a sign saying No.
      
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      March 15, 2018 7:59pm
Manolo

A warning sign for Trump:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-election-republicans-20180314-story.html

The most dangerous outcome for Republicans in Tuesday’s special House election was not the prospect of a Democrat taking over one of their seats.

It was the shrugging off by voters of the party’s biggest legislative achievement: the tax cut measure that Republicans hoped would be their major campaign message as they head toward a turbulent midterm election.
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March 15, 2018 3:07pm
- waripori
  
  The problem was their timing. They had to get the tax cuts through before year end which was about 11 months before the mid terms. Most wage earners got a small cut as I understand it but by this November they will have got used to spending that few dollars a week and will be looking for something else. If wages rise significantly as a result of the company tax cuts it might still be a good story but not much sign of that so far.
  
  If the GOP could not hold a district Trump won by 20% given tax cuts a few weeks old, tarriffs on Steel in a Pittsburgh district , a visit from Trump three days before polling and something over 10 million dollars of head office money they will have to think of something else pretty quickly.
  
  Incidentally, if the Nats had made their $1,000 tax cuts effective July 1st they would have won here last year. I know that is tricky for IRD but they could have done it.
  
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  March 15, 2018 4:37pm
lifesgood

Read the Herald at work today. Clare Trevett gave Labour a good kicking over sex and drink carryings on at the youth camp. Front page refers to drugs at the camp. Scales falling from Herald’s eyes? Maybe, we can only hope,
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March 15, 2018 3:17pm
- rangitoto
  
  Maybe the owners of the camp buildings should get them checked out for meth contamination.
  
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  March 15, 2018 3:39pm
  - Longknives
    
    I’d be getting a Priest in and splashing the buildings with Holy Water after any Labour Party function!
    
    The Party of Deviants and Sexual Predators…
    
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    March 15, 2018 4:07pm
- marcw
  
  Nada. Zilch. Nothing from Tracy Watkins in Stuff – she must be in counseling unable to believe the facts as they unravel. Surely not her beloved princess and Labour being picked on. Oh well, at least she can rely on the “victim led” recovery options.
  
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  March 15, 2018 4:38pm
Lee C

I think KS the PM’s diary will be considered just ‘working notes’ for this exercise.
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March 15, 2018 3:53pm
slightlyrighty

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/102295369/hundreds-of-students-rally-against-alleged-widespread-sexual-harassment-in-law-firms

They could have killed 2 birds by swinging past Labour’s HQ as well.
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March 15, 2018 4:14pm
ex-golfer

Oh dear – Penny’s good mate and partner-in-crime Lisa Prager has been arrested today for willful damage. Using a sledgehammer and crowbar no less.

Probably be considered a yet another arrest/badge of honour.
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March 15, 2018 5:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Those old gals are pretty skilled with their DIY tools.
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/central-leader/102298217/anticycleway-protester-arrested-after-attacking-traffic-island-with-sledgehammer
  
  I’ve got an old concrete retaining wall that needs taking down..
  and I’ve got an outside shower…
  Maybe Penny and pals could take a roadie to Gizzie.
  
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  March 15, 2018 7:34pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Lisa Prager in the news again. Always remember her, sitting in the front row with her obligatory cowboy hat (that used to drive then-mayor John Banks apoplectic whenever she wore it while observing Auckland Council meetings) like she was knitting at the foot of the guillotine, at the hearing into the silly fool who, in defiance of council regulations, cut down a pohutakawa in the dead of night…on his own Onehunga property. Prager was one of a vocal and angry number who turned up to witness justice and see retribution visited the nasty property developer who had cut down our precious tree.
    
    So let me get this straight, Lisa: You didn’t own it, it, but it was still our tree, just like you didn’t personally own that tax and/or rate payer-funded traffic island, but it’s ok if you go and wreck it. And of course, the commercial value of your investment – the cafe round the corner in Garnet Road – gives you special and justified warrant to flout the law, unlike the guy who wanted to develop his property when he cut down his tree. I swear I will never figure out the value system of these radical activists! ?
    
    On a brighter note, I hear her and her partner do really good food at their cafe.
    
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    March 15, 2018 8:02pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …~~her~~ Lisa and her partner…
      
      And just to clarify, as a result of our recent reproachment here on Kiwiblog, I no longer criticise Penny Bright, Lisa’s fellow activist who was also mentioned in that article.
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:30pm
    - Kimbo
      
      But that doesn’t mean I can’t criticise Lisa or have a guilty chuckle at her expense ?:
      
      https://thespinoff.co.nz/auckland/15-03-2018/the-spinoff-reviews-new-zealand-56-lisa-pragers-sledgehammer-technique/
      
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      March 15, 2018 8:48pm
MH

Counties Rugby are a man down.
RIP Mac McCallion.
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March 15, 2018 5:02pm
rangitoto

I see that Skid Mark has been using the Airforce as a taxi service.
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March 15, 2018 5:11pm
- godruelf
  
  Surely he should get another Medal for operational flying.
  
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  March 15, 2018 5:21pm
Anne Glen Eden

In the meantime, Fraser Cameron is busily being the ‘pot calling the kettle black’, as mouthpieces for the EU are wont to do.

He’s badmouthing Russia for physically invading Georgia and Ukraine and saying the West should do something. He clearly has no conscience about the West ‘invading’ the hearts and minds of everyone, everywhere – with all the passion and tenacity of the Crusades of old – including Russia, demanding that they acquiesce to having their cultures and societies turned inside out.

He rants against ‘populism’ – which is actually the will of the majority of ‘the people’ in whichever country it occurs. I would suggest there are fewer people objecting to Russia in the countries Russia has invaded than those objecting to the despotic tyranny of globalist liberals in Western society who have brought so much misery to so many, especially in the EU and in Britain.

At least he doesn’t actually say that Putin ’caused’ the populism or Brexit – because he certainly didn’t. If Putin ‘backs’ them, good on him.

The only thing ‘weakening’ the West is the refusal of Western politicians to listen to and obey the wills of their peoples. And weaken them it does, very much. That’s not Putin’s fault either.

Western governments have been just as much despotic empire builders as Putin is. The primary difference seems to be that Putin is adored by many of his people while Western politicians are generally despised by theirs.

Putin’s biggest support in the UK is Jeremy Corban and ‘his’ part of the Labour Party, including McDonnell. It’s probably the same here. NZ was, after all, the first to create a trade agreement with China and wants to trade with Russia, both of whom support North Korea which has been threatening Armageddon for years with gay abandon.

Something should be ‘done’ about North Korea and Russia to cease their warmongering, and certainly the slaughter of civilians at will, whether at home or abroad.

To suggest that any of it is supported by ‘peoples’ demands to retain their sovereignty in their own countries is bizarre. And if those peoples are presided over by politicians who refuse to accept the democratic will of those peoples, they all may as well be in Russia.

Currently, the people standing up to North Korea, China, and Russia remain primarily Theresa May and Trump.

The best suggestion is that Western politicians stop ‘dividing to rule’ their societies so that the peoples can know the difference between living in freedom as opposed to living under tyranny. The EU is the worst offender of blurring the two. In the UK and the EU, if all the despotic remainers would stop being so corrosively divisive, everyone could make some progress to a positive future, including dealing with Russia.
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March 15, 2018 5:16pm
- Anne Glen Eden
  
  The short form of that is, it’s not Putin who is weakening Europe. It’s the EU and the sycophants of their despotic ‘political project’.
  
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  March 15, 2018 5:37pm
Johnboy

It wont make any difference. The scum they rent to will still wreck them and suffer no real consequence. 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/102290848/future-state-housing-in-porirua-shows-smaller-homes-with-landscaped-gardens
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March 15, 2018 6:57pm
Scott Chris

Any mention of a 20 point swing in Pennsylvania last night? These upcoming mid-terms are going to be a bloodbath for the GOP.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/politics/democrats-republicans-pennsylvania-special-election.html
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March 15, 2018 7:25pm
- All_on_Red
  
  You mean the Election (just) won by an Ex Marine, who disavowed Nancy Pelosi, liked Steel Tarriffs, and loves the Second amendment etc etc
  Democrat In Name Only
  I really don’t think the Democrats have anyone quite like that running later this year.
  They should. But they don’t.
  
  Pretty stellar candidate actually
  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/14/us/politics/who-is-conor-lamb.html
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:06pm
rangitoto

So Larry had some developer guy defending building shoe boxes in Mt Eden with no car parks. It’s really really Green don’tcha know. Wonder how soon it will be a slum.
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March 15, 2018 7:37pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  The duo now running Horncastle homes in chch are complete captives of the smart growth ideologues at the C.C.C.
  
  “Sprawl is bad” they recently stated contrary to the cross party consensus on outwards and upwards. These chumps/poodles are looking to build shoebox slums minus car ports because everybody rides bikes. Bikes are the future?
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:00pm
Rodney Randall

Tommy Robinson not allowed at speakers corner.

300 years of history down the toilet, because you can have freedom or you can have Islam, you can’t have both.

And it’s obvious which side the Quisling UK Regime and its SS-Stasi-GB plod force has come down on.

The govt is so scared of the violent reaction from Muslims that it chooses to silence those that dare to criticise Islam.
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March 15, 2018 7:54pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  What an utterly sick and twisted society Great Britain has become – the Jews who rule the UK won’t even allow the natives to voice an opinion as their planned destruction via wholesale race replacement of the 3rd world reaches its denouement.
  
  Contrast their policing of speech of the natives vs. their kid glove treatment of Industrial Scale rape and returning Jihadis.
  
  Oh, and if you think I’m being “Nazi”(those guys who governed Germany from 1933-45) by saying Jews run the UK – here it is straight from the horses mouth:
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/surprise-new-uk-trade-minister-is-committed-jew-thinks-israels-amazing/
  
  There are so many Jews at the top of Britain’s Conservative party, Prime Minister David Cameron once quipped, that it should be known as the Torah party rather than the Tory party.
  
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  March 15, 2018 8:05pm
Rodney Randall

“Contrast their policing of speech of the natives vs. their kid glove treatment of Industrial Scale rape and returning Jihadis.”

The Kalergi plan in action.
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March 15, 2018 9:33pm
- Kimbo
  
  See I knew you and EAD would get along because you have so much in common. Now, I don’t have a problem with what consenting adults do in their personal lives, but can you two lovers please take it to your own private hot tub? ?
  
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  March 15, 2018 9:54pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Are you feeling a bit sidelined Kimbo?
    
    Has the wife gone back to wearing a bag as per grandmas instructions??
    
    Allahu Ackbar!
    
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    March 15, 2018 10:40pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Hey, like David Warner, let’s keep wives out of this! Plus she is lethal with a knife so you don’t want to piss her off. You can take the girl out of Islam, but you can’t take the Islam out of the girl. ?
      
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      March 15, 2018 10:45pm
Jack5

A big row is brewing over a Chinese-Canterbury venture’s consents to take huge volumes of water from the outskirts of Christchurch.

Stuff reports Aotearoa Water Action believes Environment Canterbury “bent the law” by letting two firms, Cloud Ocean Water and Rapaki Natural Resources, to siphon off water from neighbouring bottling plants in Belfast.

One of the plants is the former plant which scoured wool for export.

Cloud Ocean Water is owned by Hairong Ling, of China, and Ling Hai Group, which is owned by Zongren Ling, Qing Hai Ling, and Si Yun Ling, of China.

Rapaki Natural Resources is owned by Canterbury Land Resources is owned by Phillip Roger Burmester, of Christchurch, a large scale property developer in the South Island and Fiji.

With Christchurch, until fairly recently well known for the high quality of its drinking water, now having problems, the export of water from the outskirts of the city is going to be a red-hot political issue, locally and perhaps nationally.

Opponents may pick up a lot support from the Right as well as well as from the Left.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/102307238/ecan-accused-of-bending-the-law-over-consents-for-water-bottling-plants
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March 15, 2018 10:11pm
- rangitoto
  
  It’s dumb though. Would anyone care if the water was instead used for scouring wool. There are idiots on both left and right.
  
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  March 15, 2018 11:23pm
Jack5

A snippet for military history buffs …

The American Government is going to spend the equivalent of 10 or 11 billion NZ dollars putting new engines in the 76 B52 bombers it still has in service.

B52s have been in service with the USAF for more than 60 years.
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March 15, 2018 11:04pm
- mikenmild
  
  Will they be made capable of bombing from orbit as part of the new ‘Space Force’
  
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  March 16, 2018 5:44am
- DigNap15
  
  Great news
  Make America great again
  I’d like to see them keep the A10 warthogs as well!
  
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