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General Debate 13 March 2018

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KiWombat

I have read the following with regard to the recent Young Labour sex and alcohol fest weekend event:-

“The mountain of alcohol included Rum, Vodka, Cider and a large array of RTD’s”

Auckland Water Police are presently boarding fishing boats and checking levels of alcohol aboard, not alcohol supplied or sold by the operator, but alcohol brought aboard by fishermen/women.

How, then, can a Labour Youth Camp, where there is a reasonable expectation that underage children will be present, be host to the aforementioned “mountain” of booze? I trust that Police will exercise the same level of vigilance in their investigation of this political event.

Who supplied the “mountain” of booze?

Was it supplied by the Labour Party or by the venue?

Was that establishment licensed to sell or supply liquor?

Was the licensee serving the liquor?

I will leave the sexual assault element of this event for others to comment on, I’ve seen this before in Labour, and no doubt will see it again. Indeed there is a separate thread today covering both the sexual and alcohol aspects !

But the service of alcohol at a Labour Party event where underage children are expected to be in attendance is a matter requiring deep scrutiny, and almost certainly Police investigation !
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March 13, 2018 8:00am
- Longknives
  
  Well said- It was freaking impossible (2 hour wait) to get a drink at the Jimmy Barnes concert in Christchurch a few weeks ago (Police only allowed one tiny beer tent!)
  
  Yet teenagers (some underage!) are seemingly plied with alcohol at Labour Party functions…
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:06am
  - fernglas
    
    My wife went to have her hair done on Friday afternoon. The hairdresser apologised for not being able to offer her and the other ladies present, all of whom were well over 18, a glass of wine as they had in the past. The police had come in two days before and told them they were in breach of the licensing laws for doing so and would prosecute if they found it happening again. I can’t conceive of a comment that would accurately describe such fuckwittedness.
    
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    March 13, 2018 8:35am
    - alex Masterley
      
      I was offered a beer by my Barber when i last had my haircut.
      There is an effing great fridge in the corner of the shop full of fine dutch lager.
      It is free and technically help yourself but one has to be polite.
      
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      March 13, 2018 8:56am
      - fernglas
        
        Who is this paragon of the tonsorial art? Actually, don’t tell us; some officious cop will probably bust his arse and you’ll be back to sporting a mullet.
        
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        March 13, 2018 9:08am
    - Southern Raider
      
      In Tijuana the shopkeepers are very insistent you partake in a shot of Tequia while surveying their wares.
      
      In Czech Rep we went on a rafting trip through a forest (note it was mostly gentle flowing river with a small number of bumps). At checkin they gave us a map showing where they would pick us up and a hip flask of rum for the jounrney. At multiple places on the river were small beer halls for refreshments.
      
      In NZ the above businesses would be closed down in two minutes.
      
      The cops can’t stop reoffending criminals but have lots of time to annoy the hell out of law abiding people
      
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      March 13, 2018 9:18am
      - dime
        
        “In Tijuana the shopkeepers are very insistent you partake in a shot of Tequia while surveying their wares.”
        
        same as when youre at a donkey show!
        
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        March 13, 2018 10:02am
      - lifesgood
        
        I loved the mulled wine stalls in the main square in Prague. Deliciously warming on a cold night. They were just like street food stands.
        
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        March 13, 2018 3:18pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Targeting the easy.
      Pathetic of the police.
      
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      March 13, 2018 9:21am
      - fernglas
        
        No-one would deny that aspects of New Zealand’s drinking culture are barbaric, but I don’t see that Police exercising a zero tolerance approach to the whole thing could be in the least bit constructive. If you treat adults as if they are idiots, they will behave accordingly. They are supposed to be guardians of our laws, not our morals, and I think they often blur the lines
        
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        March 13, 2018 9:47am
      - rangitoto
        
        “We’re public guardians bold, yet wary
        And of ourselves we take good care
        To risk our precious lives we’re chary
        When anger looms, we’re never there
        But when we meet a helpless woman
        Or little boys that do no harm
        We run them in, we run them in
        We run them in, we run them in
        We show them we’re the bold gendarmes
        We run them in, we run them in
        We run them in, we run them in
        We show them we’re the bold gendarmes.”
        
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        March 13, 2018 12:53pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Surely you can offer wine if you don’t charge for it. Will they start policing our homes when we have visitors next?
      
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      March 13, 2018 3:19pm
  - KevOB
    
    I had an 11 year who was lured away for a drinking weekend by a Public Health Doctor’s wife. He was permanently damaged.
    
    Booze and youth don’t mix.
    Sex and youth are frequent mates.
    
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    March 13, 2018 2:35pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Sorry to hear that KevOB. There is evil everywhere who prey on the unsuspecting and innocent.
      
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      March 13, 2018 3:30pm
      - KevOB
        
        Thanks.
        
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        March 13, 2018 5:31pm
  - Viking2
    
    Meanwhile the comancheros have bedded into town and meth is abundant while cannabis is not.
    
    Fucked up drug and crime policy.
    
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    March 13, 2018 7:08pm
- Simon
  
  Yep it’s how Muslim grooming gangs happen in the UK. Reality doesn’t match the narrative so the problem is swept under the carpet with tragic consequences
  
  Not comparing Labo alleged child sexual assault victims to UK grooming gangs but the pathology is the same.
  
  Labo need to come clean with full disclosure
  Nothing like this should be hidden from the public because it doesn’t fit the Labo’s narrative.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:19am
- flipper
  
  Good luck with that!!
  It will be swept under the carpet.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:24am
- VicParking
  
  The Governments royal commission into Childern in State care should be extended to cover childern in the care of the Labour Party…
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:37am
- The Virgin
  
  I see that the poisoned dwarf over at the Leftard Site, LPrent is in full damage control shutting down any comments that question the Liarbor handling of this scandal. Wanker….
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:24am
  - alwyn
    
    I think the reaction he is having to remarks on their Open Mike is quite funny.
    There are 4 in a row where Prentice has banned people for daring to question the Labour Party actions.
    The time they are banned for keeps getting longer and his descriptions of what they are supposed to be doing get ever more angry.
    Not a happy chappie I’m afraid.
    
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    March 13, 2018 11:00am
JibberJabber

Jordan Peterson,
https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=usUBz_1520869735

Jordan Peterson disrupted at Queen’s University by leftist students, as always the voice of reason.
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March 13, 2018 8:03am
peterwn

Some more judicial ‘white anting’ of the strikes regime has occurred. The issue was whether a judge needs to take into account that the crime is a ‘second strike’ crime when sentencing. The consequences of a ‘second strike’ is the offender must serve the full sentence imposed with no opportunity of parole. The offender in question received 2.5 years for aggravated robbery (there were two other co-offenders) and the District Court Judge declined to take the second strike into account when sentencing (ie a ‘good’ judge in Whaleoil’s books). Offender appealed and the High Court supported the DCJ’s stance.
Offender then appeals to the Court of Appeal who considered that the existence of a second strike needs to be considered when sentencing and sent the case back to the District Court for re-sentencing with an expectation of a reduced sentence. While the Appeal Court indicated there were limited circumstances where this would apply it does mean that this matter will be raised at every second strike sentencing.
One criterion is that the circumstances of the first strike crime be at the less serious end of the spectrum. The Sentencing Act defines particular crimes as ‘serious violent offending’, in reality the commission of the crime does not involve ‘serious violence’. One can hardly say that pinching a police woman’s bottom is ‘serious violent offending’. The first strike crime was the unlawful sexual connection by a 19 year old (approx) with a 12-16 year old person. Seems the Appeal Court did not consider in the circumstances it was ’serious violent offending’ in the ordinary sense (presumably the victims consented or acquiesced). The second one was the desirability of a ‘rehabilitative’ sentence being effective. Hence the Appeal Court indicated that in some circumstances a second strike sentence could be ‘manifestly unjust’ although it acknowledged that the ‘manifestly unjust’ exception applied to third strike sentencing only. However the Appeal Court in the round ruled that the sentence imposed could be reduced to blunten the impact of the second strike ‘no parole’ rule.
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March 13, 2018 8:03am
- fernglas
  
  The aspect that interests me is that Parliament has decreed that USC is a serious violent offence (without qualification), but the Court of Appeal decided that if it the offending did not in fact involve serious violence, a sentencing court could use that fact to mitigate the mandatory provisions of the Sentencing Act. I don’t know what “white-anting” means, but basically the three strikes legislation has been judicially rogered up the bottom and will be gone by the end of this Parliamentary term
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:00am
  - peterwn
    
    ‘white ants’ are a type of termite found in Australia and they eat out the interiors of wooden power poles, house foundations etc leaving no outward sign of damage until it is too late. Electricity utilities there have to do invasive tests on power poles every several years to try and see if there is a problem before the pole topples. Hence ‘white anting’.
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:30am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      White-anting is what Grant Robertson did to Phil Goff, David Shearer, David Cunliffe and Andrew Little. It’s the destabilisation of an organisation, in this case the Labour Party, from within.
      
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      March 13, 2018 9:35am
  - peterwn
    
    This is the problem. Some low end ‘three strikes’ crimes may or may not involve ‘serious violence’ depending on the circumstances, but the Act schedules the crimes involved in a ‘black and white’ manner. The ‘three strikes’ legislation was premised on it applying to ‘serious violent offending’ as was outlined in David Garrett’s third reading speech. This was the basis on which the bill was ‘sold’ to Parliament. So difficulties arise in sentencing under the three strikes regime when either the ‘strike’ being sentenced or one of the previous strikes did not actually involve ‘serious violent offending’. Calling ‘serious violent offending’ when it is not is rather like Humpty Dumpty saying that a word means what he says it means regardless of its actual meaning.
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:45am
    - fernglas
      
      That’s what Parliament does. If it says unlawful sexual connection (which is always consensual, otherwise it would be sexual violation) is a serious violent offence, then it is. The only way to fix that is by Parliament amending the legislation. It is a condemnation of Parliament that a Court has to indulge in sophistry to get around the plain meaning of an Act in order to do what it considers to be justice, and equally it is a condemnation of the Court that it considers that its interpretation of justice is so inconsistent with Parliament’s intentions that it is prepared to indulge in sophistry to bring about a particular outcome.
      
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      March 13, 2018 10:47am
      - peterwn
        
        I do not think for one moment Parliament envisaged that unlawful connection would be ‘serious violent offending’. It is arguable that David Garrett and other supporters of Three Strikes indulged in sophistry by selling the Bill on the basis that it applied to ‘serious violent offending’ only.
        By the way it is worth noting that this weird interpretation applies only to the ‘three strikes’ aspect of the Sentencing Act. This interpretation is not applicable to any other part of the Sentencing Act or to any other Act of Parliament.
        Also ‘An enactment must be interpreted in accordance with its text and in the light of its purpose’. This section of the Interpretation Act applies right across the spectrum of all Acts, Regulations, etc. Arguably the Court of Appeal probably took this on board.
        
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        March 13, 2018 12:23pm
    - KevOB
      
      It seems that judges are doing just that: determining the relativities of sentencing which they have always done.
      
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      March 13, 2018 2:40pm
holysheet

Just for stoooopidboy
Stooopidboy buys several goats, hoping to breed them. After several weeks, he notices that none of the goats are getting pregnant, and calls a vet for help. The vet tells him that he should try artificial insemination.
Stooopidboy doesn’t have the slightest idea what this means but not wanting to display his ignorance, only asks the vet how he will know when the goats are pregnant. The vet tells him that they will stop standing around and will lie down and wallow in the grass.
Stooopidboy hangs up and gives it some thought. He comes to the conclusion that artificial insemination means he has to impregnate the goats. So, he loads the goats into his truck, drives them out into the woods, has sex with them all, brings them back, and goes to bed.
The next morning, he wakes and looks out at the goats. Seeing that they are all still standing around, he concludes that the first try didn’t take, and loads them in the truck again. He drives them out to the woods, bangs each goat twice for good measure, brings them back, and goes to bed.
The next morning he wakes to find the goats still just standing around. One more try, he tells himself, and proceeds to load them up and drive them out to the woods. He spends all day shagging the goats and upon returning home, falls listlessly into bed.
The next morning, he cannot even raise himself from the bed to look at the goats. He asks his burqa enshrouded wife to look out and tell him if the goats are lying in the grass.
“No,” she says, “they’re all in the truck and one of them is honking the horn.”
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March 13, 2018 8:06am
redeye

Soapbox Cindy promised no strikes under her government. There seems to be a new one each week.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/102179541/docked-wages-the-sticking-point-over-lyttelton-port-strike
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March 13, 2018 8:07am
- Lance
  
  But but but… it’s not nation wide so it doesn’t count.
  
  Labour.. twisting words to fool the public since 1916
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:18am
- waikatogirl
  
  The Lyttleton wharfies have been offered a 3% wage rise for the next 3 years and it is not good enough for them!
  
  Wharfies are paid well above minimum wage but when Liarbor signalled the unions had the go-ahead for higher wage rounds the horse bolted. It is already over the fence and running for it. The unions know they have the green light to take the employers for as much as they can squeeze them for.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:32am
  - flipper
    
    And Himmler Hipkins education Nazis are asking for 16% over two (2) years …. or strike threatened. And then nurses and the blood sucking, often incompetent, junior doctors….. my, oh my !
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:03am
    - stephieboy
      
      flipper , Himmler Hipkins NSDAP membership number .
      
      You consistently say some wild and stupid things.
      
      Symptoms PTSD post 23.09. 17 growing in severity ,!
      
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      March 13, 2018 2:13pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        “You consistently say some wild and stupid things.”
        ?
        
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        March 13, 2018 2:21pm
      - VicParking
        
        Off you go the horns being beeped ??
        
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        March 13, 2018 3:45pm
- VicParking
  
  They are Striking because the Port Company would not pay them to come to work and do nothing..
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:45am
- Harkman
  
  The problem with Lyttelton is too many workers and too little in capital expenditure. That’s what happens when welfarist politicians also own expensive infrastructure.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:50am
- peterwn
  
  The purpose of many strikes is to ‘invite’ Government intervention – this is far more likely under a Labour Government.
  
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  March 13, 2018 2:02pm
artemisia

On The Panel, National Radio yesterday, the stress of school principals much higher than that of the general population. Well of course.

They need to be compared to managers with enterprises of similar size and budget. You know, the ones that have to turn a profit or they are out the door. Then apparently principals are interrupted on average 70 times a day.

Three words. Delegation. Time Management.
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March 13, 2018 8:14am
- Harkman
  
  Could be true, Kelvin Davis is living proof stress makes principals mind-numbingly stupid.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:45am
- MCos
  
  A salary of around $130k to run a school of a thousand kids would appeal to an educator rather than an administrator, I would suggest.
  
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  March 13, 2018 10:15am
Chris2

It’s worth repeating what a poster noted last night on KB and that is this Labour Youth camp was on the same day that the Australian Foreign Minister was making her first visit to NZ under this Labour Government, but Ardern felt it more important to go to the Labour Youth camp, rather than be at the dinner for the Australian Foreign Minister.

It really shows where Ardern’s priorities are, and it certainly isn’t putting her position as Prime Minister at the top. New Zealand is being poorly served by Ardern if she can get her priorities so wrong like this.
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March 13, 2018 8:19am
- DigNap15
  
  Maybe she went for the free booze
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:20am
  - oldgolfer
    
    In which case she would not have been disappointed: lashings of it.
    If we liken Labour to a Morrie 1000, I think a wheel has come off, it’s getting harder to get it into third, and blue smoke is appearing out the exhaust.
    
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    March 13, 2018 8:46am
    - sooty
      
      Maybe the sex as well.
      
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      March 13, 2018 9:45am
- Lance
  
  Labour youth camp… the mind boggles.
  Do they have advanced brainwashing classes, how to keep a straight face while lying through your teeth etc?
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:21am
- VicParking
  
  Maybe she got a wif that the disk Jockey failed to turn up or they needed help to cook the fish and chips,
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:49am
- hullkiwi
  
  I wonder if she got the “feelz” of the meeting?
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:14pm
DigNap15

Heard Jacinda and David Parker squirming with Mike Hoskins trying to explain how NZ can get a tariff exemption wit the USA, even if they ask us to back them on the WTO.
They were both out of their depth!
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March 13, 2018 8:19am
- fernglas
  
  Hosking. It’s fucking HOSKING!!!!!!!
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:36am
  - Lance
    
    Light fuse and stand well back 🙂
    
    More coffee… urgent
    
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    March 13, 2018 8:48am
  - igm
    
    Similar to resident Muslim referring to John Key as Keys . . . ignorance or illiteracy?
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:50am
  - MH
    
    are there 2 of them?
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:52pm
- RF
  
  Will the commie chicks recent nasty comments about Trump come back to bite her on her skinny arse.
  
  He would have been told so it could backfire on her.
  
  Aussie has a more gentlemanly approach and will be in his good books.
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:52am
cmm

Apparently Minister Jenny Salesa is “hugely disappointed” in her travel expenses being so high and is “working on it”.

Sounds like someone working on an out of control drug problem. I hope she gets help.

How does someone with such little agency end up being a cabinet minister?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102175450/ministerial-spending-figures-show-crown-limos-put-to-use-by-new-government
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March 13, 2018 8:21am
- Sideoiler
  
  …….How does someone with such little agency end up being a cabinet minister?
  
  Because diversity and shit.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:30am
- kowtow
  
  “Ardern said Salesa does hold a portfolio that involves a lot of travel – at the weekend she had six ethnic community events to attend and last year she commuted to Hamilton a lot when mediating with the Tongan community during the Rugby League World Cup tensions. ”
  
  Waste of tax payers’ money. Who visits honkey NZ events , who cares , more diversity divisiveness.
  
  As to the Tongans a burly police sergeant smacking heads is all that was needed.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:33am
- niggly
  
  There is more to this (but has been buried by the other big Labour scandal), which is media reported yesterday that Jacinda Ardern said 3 times at her post-cabinet press conference that Jenny Salesa’s travel expenses were unacceptable.
  
  Trouble is, Jenny Salesa’s office was off-message and issued a defiant “FU” response to the media saying that these expenses were part of her work etc.
  
  Media noted this (eg RNZ) saying Salesa’s office statements contradicted the PM’s views! Oh dear! But like I say Labour and the media now have bigger fish to fry!
  
  Check out the audio report – it’s pretty damning!
  
  The Prime Minister says the Building and Construction Minister regrets her spending, but the Minister’s office says her expenses were within the rules.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018635770/jenny-salesa-revealed-as-parliament-s-top-spending-minister
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:39am
  - waikatogirl
    
    It’s only taxpayers money, why shouldn’t Ms Salesa spend as much as she can get her hands on.
    
    Lefty spending spree
    Let’s do this
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:34am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Nah, they needed the money for the booze and condoms at the Labour Party Gig….
      
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      March 13, 2018 11:47pm
  - cmm
    
    How can someone regret their spending?
    
    What she really means is she regrets getting caught.
    
    This comes from far too much playing the victim card. Her spending is something that happened to her – she’s just the victim in all this!
    
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    March 13, 2018 7:56pm
- VicParking
  
  Beats riding to work on a bike
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:50am
- Huevon
  
  Hi everyone. My name is Jenny and I’m an OPM addict.
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:13am
- igm
  
  Sepuloni trained her.
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:19am
- dime
  
  i had never heard of her.
  
  she sounds like a scumbag though
  
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  March 13, 2018 10:07am
- redeye
  
  As one commentor noted;
  
  “Climate Change Minister James Shaw spent $26,712 on international travel…”
  
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  March 13, 2018 2:39pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Something tells me Taxcinda would rather have been talking to ghe media today about how she had told Salesa off instead of talking about some silly kids who didn’t the Labour feels?
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:21pm
Paulus

Who in Cindy’s Office knew of the assaults and when ? H2 would have been on top of it asap.
So she says that she was swanning around the Pacific doling out largess so didn’t know.
So she and her office are out of control – not surprising as expected.
Which Senior Cabinet Minister was in the loop and still did not tell her ?
He/she should resign now.
Have an idea who he is but will leave that for now.
Smells like Annette King’s Ginger Hughes affair.
Cover cover cover – don’t worry the media are on our side.
More seriously why were the police not called – there was underage alcohol and physical assaults took place.
I expect to hear very very soon of a so called young National supporter – female, who once had her bottom pinched at a Young Nats party, so we all do it.
This has serious implications which the media will try and hide like Cindy did this morning.
Cindy – it may get rough.
Understand there is more to come.
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March 13, 2018 8:22am
- BlueGriffon
  
  This in Cindy’s first real test. The fact she keeps saying the royal “we” then correcting herself suggests to me she knew more than she is letting on. But she would never lie!
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:29am
  - Richard
    
    Its also a test for Simon and his changed line up. How much damage can he do to Labour over this?
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:08am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Simon and co don’t need to do anything, except let Judith Collins fire barbs on Twitter. Labour has already elevated this to a massive #metoo cover-up all by themselves, without any help from National.
      
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      March 13, 2018 9:39am
    - KiWombat
      
      This is so sad. I have been really looking forward to seeing Melissa the Eviscerator finish off Curran the next time they come head to head in QT !
      
      Now that looks like being bumped down the list by questions about underage drinking !
      
      And then bumped further down the list by questions about liquor licensing issues involving a Labour event.
      
      And then bumped further down the list by questions about multiple sexual assaults at a Labour event.
      
      And yet further down the list because the questions will focus on a 15 year old !
      
      Poor Melissa – her moment of glory is to be overshadowed by a host of other questions of a rather serious nature – and there’s still another week to go before the live show goes to air.
      
      I’m off to get a good supply of beer and popcorn !
      
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      March 13, 2018 1:45pm
  - flipper
    
    A Flatfish or a Stonefish???? There one other really ugly. You know, the one with its mouth and over-sized teeth on the top of its head.
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:15am
    - waikatogirl
      
      The media are giggling after Simon was recently asked what his favourite zoo animal is and he replied the red panda (oops for leader of the blue party).
      
      This morning Cindy answered the same question with monkey. She then went on to say her dad used to call her “monkey face” when she was little. I guess the teeth were prominent in her childhood. ? ?
      
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- oldgolfer
  
  I bet the media are hunting for people who were at the event and ready to spill.
  It beggars belief that the police were not called immediately.
  Cindy was dancing on a pin this morning and sounding very uncomfortable.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:55am
- Harkman
  
  I’d love for a Special Counsel to investigate Cindy’s emails yesterday. You know she never lies.
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:02am
- RF
  
  This does not pass the smell test. It started off with her being supposedly surprised at her presser and now I’m hearing she knew about it more than several days ago.
  
  The truth will come out so I am waiting with anticipation.
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:59am
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    Did Cindy practice her “surprised face” in the mirror? How long had she known???
    
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    March 13, 2018 3:37pm
- backster
  
  I thought Ali MAU was going to raise hell when something like this was reported…….Silence…
  Then there is Jan Logie who was so upset along with the Aro St. girls who honeypotted the young Malaysian diplomat…..Her lips are sealed.
  Dr. Megan Wood was told but closed her eyes.
  
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  March 13, 2018 11:02am
Inandout

Jacinda has a new catch phrase; ‘Let’s Screw This’.
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March 13, 2018 8:28am
- Richard
  
  Lets hide this.
  Lets not talk about this.
  Let’s do nothing about this.
  
  Oh shit people know about this.
  
  Let’s lie about this.
  Let’s be ”disappointed” about this.
  Let’s find someone to blame for this.
  
  Let’s talk about my baby!
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:02am
Hugh Pavletich

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Who says Auckland is ‘the eighth most liveable city in the world’? | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/102180940/who-says-auckland-is-the-eighth-most-liveable-city-in-the-world

Stuff is taking a closer look at popular claims or statistics, to see whether they stack up and to dive deeper into the numbers. In this, the second instalment of the series Stats Check, Andy Fyers takes a look at the claim “Auckland is the eighth most liveable city in world.”

To most New Zealanders, Auckland has become synonymous with traffic gridlock and unaffordable housing. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Can first home buyers afford a million dollar house? | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/94396974
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Back February 2011 I wrote for The Age and SMH …

Housing affordability out of sync with incomes … SMH

http://www.smh.com.au/business/housing-affordability-out-of-sync-with-incomes-20110201-1aciy.html

LATE January every year for the past seven years, the annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey is released. The survey this year covers, as usual, the major cities of the English-speaking world and, for the first time, Hong Kong. It is based on what is termed the ”median multiple”, where the median house price is divided by the gross annual median household income for each city. … read more via hyperlink above …
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March 13, 2018 8:31am
- Harkman
  
  97 thumbs down yesterday Hugh, I must admit, I was impressed.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:40am
- VicParking
  
  I heard that only eight cities filled in the questionnaire.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:53am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  Princeton Must Build More Affordable Housing, N.J. Judge Rules – Bloomberg
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-12/princeton-must-build-more-affordable-housing-n-j-judge-rules
  
  Princeton, one of America’s richest towns, must build more affordable housing, a judge ruled in a decision that may have ripple effects across New Jersey.
  
  The home of Princeton University, the state’s only Ivy League school, must plan for 753 low-and middle-income homes, more than double what the borough had anticipated, according to the March 8 ruling by Superior Court Judge Mary Jacobson. Its wealthy neighbor, West Windsor, has a burden of 1,500 homes for people of little means in a state with high living costs, Jacobson ruled. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:10am
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    BRITAIN’S HOUSING CRISIS IS CAUSED BY THE WRONG KIND OF REGULATION … MATT RIDLEY … h/t DL …
    
    http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/britains-odd-housing-regulations/
    
    Restricting whether you can build, rather than what, drives up prices
    
    My Times column on Britain’s housing crisis:
    
    Sajid Javid, the Housing (etc) secretary, is right – and brave — to go on the warpath about Britain’s housing crisis in his new national planning framework, to be launched today. Britain’s housing costs are absurdly high by international standards: eight times average earnings in England, 15 in London. A mortgage deposit that took a few years to earn in the early 1990s can now take somebody decades to earn. Average rents in the UK are almost 50% higher than average rents in Germany, France and crowded Holland. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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      AUSTRALIAN …Building Industry Backs RBA on Zoning – Architecture . Construction . Engineering . Property
      
      https://sourceable.net/building-industry-backs-rba-on-zoning/
      
      The building industry believes that if state governments ease zoning restrictions 20,000 extra homes could be built over the next five years. … read more via hyperlink above …
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      Housing researchers … do read these papers …
      
      The Effect of Zoning on Housing Prices … RBA Discussion {aper
      
      https://www.rba.gov.au/publications/rdp/2018/pdf/rdp2018-03.pdf
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      The Economic Implications of Housing Supply
      
      https://pubs.aeaweb.org/doi/pdfplus/10.1257/jep.32.1.3
      
      Edward Glaeser and Joseph Gyourko
      
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      March 13, 2018 11:17am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        Harkman … You forgot to provide the links through to yesterdays first post. There is oodles more to read on the thread.
        
        Here is a copy to yesterdays first post …
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/links-12-march-2018/#comment-3065822 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/03/bridges_announces_the_new_opposition_lineup.html/comment-page-1#comment-2159057
        
        NEW ZEALAND NATIONAL PARTY APPOINTS HEAVY HITTER JUDITH COLLINS HOUSING & URBAN DEVELOPMENT SPOKESPERSON …
        
        Judith Collins is number four in the National party’s new line-up, taking the housing portfolio | Radio New Zealand News
        
        https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/352277/judith-collins-is-number-four-in-the-national-party-s-new-line-up-taking-the-housing-portfolio
        
        LABOUR WITH PHIL TWYFORD MUST NOW GET FOCUSED ON IMPLEMENTATION … SO THE WIDER PUBLIC SEES INCREASINGLY MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ACTALLY BEING BUILT …
        
        PERFORM OR PERISH PHIL !
        
        … New Zealand Labour Housing Policy …
        
        … When do the Nation Party Opposition and journalists intend to ask Finance Minister Robertson and Housing & Transport Minister Twyford the two questions below ? …
        
        Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
        
        http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
        
        … extract …
        
        … Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
        
        Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        1. What date are the Auckland urban limits to be removed ?
        
        2. What date is the bond financing of infrastructure nationally to be introduced ?
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        New Zealand is the global leader restoring housing affordability … refer this year’s 14th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey … Media Release …
        
        http://demographia.com/media_rls_2018.pdf
        
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      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        AUSTRALIA: ABC 7.30 Report does ‘liar loans’ and the interest-only time bomb – MacroBusiness
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abc-7-30-report-liar-loans-interest-time-bomb/
        
        ABC’s 7.30 Report last night tackled irresponsible lending by the banks, which is expected to be under the spotlight of the Banking Royal Commission today. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
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        AUSTRALIA: ABC’s The Business does liar loans – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/
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        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/abcs-business-irresponsible-mortgage-lending/#comment-3060351
        
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        March 13, 2018 11:59am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        AUSTRALIA … Banking royal commission: Whistleblower alleges cash for loans bribery ring at NAB – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-13/banking-royal-commission-alleged-cash-for-loans-bribery-ring/9543280
        
        The banking royal commission has heard sensational allegations of a cash for loans bribery ring at National Australia Bank branches in western Sydney as the first round of public hearings kicked off. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        NAB’s unbelievable “liar loan” scammers – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/03/nabs-unbelievable-liar-loan-scammers/
        
        Via the ABC:
        
        The National Australia Bank has been criticised by the banking royal commission for not disclosing fraudulent behaviour by its bankers and third parties to the corporate regulator within the legal deadline. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Disrupters will benefit from Kenneth Haynes Royal Commission … AFR (behind paywall)
        
        http://www.afr.com/brand/chanticleer/disrupters-will-benefit-from-kenneth-haynes-royal-commission-20180313-h0xffn
        
        The Hayne royal commission’s first day of public hearings revealed that Commissioner Kenneth Hayne does not suffer fools gladly, Commonwealth Bank of Australia does not know how to play the banking inquiry game and all of the egregious behaviour in consumer lending is a drop in the ocean when compared to the mammoth volumes of loans processed by the major banks. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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Harkman

So a week ago the Little Iranian liar (GG) was “disgusted” and “outraged” by David Seymour wearing a silly meat t-shirt. But when we have actual reports of sexual assault (including TWO GIRLS) at a Labour shindig, nothing, zilch, diddly-squat. I’m beginning to think these Marxist feminists don’t actually care about victims of sexual assault. NZs version of Harvey Weinstein.
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March 13, 2018 8:38am
- VicParking
  
  The Greens response is that the MSM should not report on this type of ‘Happening’ at all.
  https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/85745724d36e0e8a6288aaebf7d150b008fea1847bda3a2f1f0fb7ab8972c807.jpg
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:59am
  - Harkman
    
    Unbelievable, those feking hypocrites.
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:06am
  - Harkman
    
    I checked the Standard last night and nothing, zilch, naught. But today, “Sexual assault is everyone’s issue.” Amazing how socialists can collectivize their problems.
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:14am
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    Unless it was a National party or Act party sponsored function.
    
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    March 13, 2018 3:52pm
- fernglas
  
  Did anyone see GG’s little piece about sexual harassment and drunkenness being rife “at the UN” when she was only ever at two tribunals which represented a small part of the UN operations? She went on to talk about interns who were harassed and had come to her, as a “senior lawyer”. She was, in fact, an assistant prosecutor, which is one rung up the ladder from an intern, and is far from a senior position. she undoubtedly has good qualities, but accuracy with her work experience is not one of them
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:06am
  - Kimbo
    
    I’m struggling to think of any good qualities GG has. Unlike other Greens of whom I will acknowledge, yes, I may disagree with their politics and judgement, but their heart is in the right place
    
    …Golriz Ghahraman seems increasingly like a thoroughly self-serving ladder climber the more she reveals herself to the public.
    
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    March 13, 2018 10:01am
    - KiWombat
      
      She makes Sue Bradford look like a statesman
      
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      March 13, 2018 1:50pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Between GG and Swarfega, one is left asking how these 2 egocentric, self promoters possibly justify their existence not only in the Green Party, but also Parliament?
      
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      March 13, 2018 3:56pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Somebody ticked the box. Under MMP you don’t need to know who you are voting for, just the party.
        
        Then the egocentric party selects all this shrapnel – and we end up with names we’ve never heard of !
        
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        March 13, 2018 11:41pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  “I’m beginning to think these Marxist feminists don’t actually care about victims of sexual assault.”
  
  Ya think? Decades of grooming gangs in the UK. Years of ‘refugees’ in Germany raising the sexual assault stats. But it’s ‘hate speech’ if you try to talk about it.
  
  Remember the neo-progressive order of things: ‘minorities’ > women’s right to safety.
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:32am
Happychappy

Is this a reason Labour want the voting age to be lowered to Sixteen so they can even younger Labour members attend their camps so the the Pedos can groom. Before people deliver the down ticks remember the inquiries around the world in Scouts , youth football and gymnastics so why can it not happen in the Labour Party Membership.
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March 13, 2018 8:39am
- igm
  
  Evidently the little boy Hughes assaulted turned queer . . . he has ruined another life. Is this the Labour way?
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It looks like this could also be the reason Young Labour is so active in schools.
  
  Time to shine a big, bright light on their Youth activities.
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:29am
  - igm
    
    How many teachers are exposed each year?
    Tells an interesting story, and bet there are many that are covered up. But they are part of the union.
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:38pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Well said Happy!
  
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  March 13, 2018 11:45am
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Queensland Rail facing legal action because its new $4.4bn trains are basically illegal … news com au

http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/design/queensland-rail-facing-legal-action-because-its-new-44bn-trains-are-basically-illegal/news-story/6a5bff8cf7706833b0eb41d6f81d06d2

JUST a week after it was discovered that NSW’s $2 billion new train fleet will be too wide for the tunnels, the Queensland Government is facing the possibility of having to pull $4bn worth of new trains off the tracks because they are so badly designed, they’re basically illegal. … read more via hyperlink above …
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March 13, 2018 8:41am
- Lance
  
  Smells like a beat up to me.
  The only criticism of these advanced trains is the ENORMOUS toilets aren’t ENORMOUS enough so disable people can use them as easily as able bodied peopled. Seriously, that is the issue.
  And being slightly wider, in a couple of tunnels they will come closer than the recommended clearance, which they are working on to fix.
  Usual MSM crap giving credence to moaners and the perpetually outraged
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:00am
brett68

Watch the #metoo campaign drop off the radar.
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March 13, 2018 8:44am
- Richard
  
  Screwed by Labour? #metoo!
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:53am
Manolo

A RINO gone mad:
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/03/12/arnold-schwarzenegger-sxsw-trump-big-oil-me-too-217345

Arnold Schwarzenegger’s next mission: taking oil companies to court “for knowingly killing people all over the world.”
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March 13, 2018 8:48am
- Harkman
  
  This is what 40+ years of steriods does to your brain.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:53am
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    Brain?
    
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    March 13, 2018 8:56am
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      Oops my mistake, good spotting.
      
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      March 13, 2018 9:03am
Richard

Not a good week so far for the coalition of Losers.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102207447/minister-told-about-alleged-sexual-assault-at-young-labour-summer-camp-by-dissatisfied-victim

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/pm-refuses-to-defend-minister-over-travel-spending/ar-BBK7cpj?ocid=spartandhp

Perhaps its time for a PM baby story ASAP.
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March 13, 2018 8:50am
- Harkman
  
  Ultrasound or maybe a conveniently announced engagement.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:54am
  - Richard
    
    I’m picking ultrasound pic’s.
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:04am
    - RalphT
      
      Yes, engagement is probably a step too far for our Clark, who obviously is not keen on long-term commitment.
      
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      March 13, 2018 9:27am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  They need something big for a pivot away from this.
  
  I’m thinking now is the time for the PM to have an attack of the vapours and spend a few days in hospital for the sake of the baby.
  
  Then everyone will be asked not to ask any tough questions (you know for the baby’s sake) until the story dies down.
  
  Alternatively, they could stage an invasion of Manus Island for humanitarian reasons.
  
  Watch this space. The complicit MSM will facilitate a big put up to change the narrative.
  
  Maybe the “Russians” will stage an assasination attempt somewhere in Tokoroa!
  
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  March 13, 2018 11:52am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Aaaand – I was right. The main story is the Russians poisoning someone in Sailsbury England. The MSM are pushing it for all they’re worth!
    
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    March 13, 2018 8:42pm
doggone7

Behind the scenes things are still bubbling away in the Megaupload case.

” Megaupload case still a travesty of justice”
“It doesn’t fit with natural justice or fair play.”

The countless millions of dollars of taxpayers money spent trying to extradite a couple of people is to what end?

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/03/12/96067/opinion-megaupload-case-still-a-travesty-of-justice
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March 13, 2018 8:58am
- Happychappy
  
  You like Newsroom are entitled to your opinion and obviously you like criminals, but in my opinion the sooner he gets fitted with orange overalls the better as we don’t need arsoles like the over weight kraut in business in New Zealand. Can you tell me what Labour and NZ First promised him after Winston and Clare Currans visits to the Mansion when this case first came to light.
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:39am
  - doggone7
    
    I asked ,”The countless millions of dollars of taxpayers money spent trying to extradite a couple of people is to what end?” and that equates to me obviously liking criminals?
    
    I’ve got no idea what Labour and NZ First promised him after Winston and Clare Currans visits to the Mansion when this case first came to light. (No idea they’d had anything to do with the case including going there.)
    
    Make something up that suits what you want to think about them promising him something. That then can be gospel.
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:58am
    - Happychappy
      
      doggone7 you seemed to do the same about Bill English over the Todd Barclay affair even though Winston couldn’t produce all those E Mails he said he had, so for you to cry wolf on me making things up is a bit rich.
      
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      March 13, 2018 1:58pm
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        I don’t remember saying things about Peters and the content of emails and suggesting they were gospel.
        I certainly think Bill English lied in events to do with that situation.
        
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        March 13, 2018 3:50pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      I wonder if KDC is on the level in his claim that the leaker of the DNC emails (US 2016 election issue) was one Seth Rich and that he has proof of this; with the inference that Rich was indeed murdered for “cause”.
      
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      March 13, 2018 2:55pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Did you happen to notice who wrote the piece doggone?
  
  Stephen Hall
  Stephen Hall is the the Executive Chairman of Mega, and has held senior management roles in a number of listed and other businesses in NZ and Australia.
  
  Stephen Hall works for Dotcom. So he’s hardly a neutral, objective observer.
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:43am
  - doggone7
    
    Yeah, I saw that and thought here’s someone who knows something about the behind the scenes stuff.
    He said millions of our taxpayer dollars had been spent trying to extradite three guys.
    
    I took that to not be a biased subjective observation.
    
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    March 13, 2018 10:02am
    - fernglas
      
      Millions have been spent. The reasons are as follows:
      
      1) The United States has charged Dotcom and others with criminal offences.
      
      2) We have an extradition treaty with the United States.
      
      3) The United States has sought their extradition.
      
      4) New Zealand courts have to decide whether there is a proper case for extradition, viz. is there sufficient evidence of an extradition offence.
      
      5) If there is a proper case their extradition will be ordered.
      
      6) Even if there is an order, the Justice minister can decide not to implement the order.
      
      7) 4,5 and 6 above are all subject to the judicial process in New Zealand, which has various procedural and appellate steps along the way.
      
      8) They have decided to strenuously oppose their extradition, as is their right.
      
      9) Justice doesn’t come cheap
      
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      March 13, 2018 10:56am
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        Thank you for a sensible, rational response and information.
        
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        March 13, 2018 12:13pm
KiWombat

C’mon Cindy – you’ve been caught with your pants down (again !)

Just pull em up and obfuscate !
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March 13, 2018 9:11am
Right of way is Way of Right

There are numerous sightings of Princess Pearly Whites being described as wan, tired, stressed, and so on. TVNZ have been noted as using a little sly editing from time to time to ensure that the PM is always looking on point, but many who have seen her first hand are reporting that the baubles of office appear to not be sitting comfortably on her shoulders.

Now we have a combination of the following happening:

No trees being planted.

No extra houses being built.

Industrial action is starting to gain momentum.

The Tax Working Group is signalling a large range of new taxes.

Foreign Investor restrictions are being shown to be a complete dog.

Labour Youth Camps are illegally supplying alcohol to underage children.

Sexual assaults are being covered up at Labour Youth Camps.

The Government have to choose between seeking a tariff exemption from the USA, or take the USA to the WTO, but unlike the girl in the Old El Paso ad, this time, you can’t have both!

All the positive economic indicators are still fully attributable to the last Government!

The promised reduction in Immigration numbers shows no sign of happening, and given that they provide the skills required to build the new houses, one or the other is going to be a lie.

Grant Robertson has been given a shovel by Michael Cullen, and is starting to dig an 11 Billion Dollar Hole!

Government MP’s are spending $10k a month on transport!

Princess Pearly Whites or Kelvin ‘the Void’ Davis refuse to be interviewed live without either putting limits on the questions being asked, or getting briefed on these questions in advance.

Prime Ministerial Staffers are passing themselves off as independent commentators on radio, and getting caught out doing it.

Claire Curran seems to think she’s running a propaganda ministry!

What have I missed?

Seems the job of Prime Minster is harder than she thought it would be, and made harder by the fact that the team she has under her is the same team that couldn’t crack 28% in the opinion polls while Andrew Little was leading it.

We wouldn’t vote for them before because we knew they were incompetent. What changed? A crap book is still a crap book even if you put a new dust cover on it, and get a bitter old man to force you to buy it, even though you didn’t want it, or need it!
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March 13, 2018 9:16am
- brett68
  
  Arderns never really had to do any work, did nothing in the nine years of opposition apart from swan around being the Labour party poster child.
  
  She’d be hating this PM lark.
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:31am
  - kaykaybee
    
    Her and Look at me Fisherboy like the salary, affords them $2 million houses and they’re well on their way to international stardom.
    
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    March 13, 2018 3:59pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Nah, she loved last week’s junket. Free trip to see the family, lots of photo opportunities with cheering kids, & plenty of chances to splash around NZ taxpayers’ money.
    
    What’s not to love about being PM?
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:10pm
- Huevon
  
  Indeed. This stress mustn’t be good for her unborn child or keeping her young dog on the porch.
  
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  March 13, 2018 10:02am
  - RF
    
    That dog will hump anything that moves so nothing is safe.
    
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    March 13, 2018 11:17am
- alwyn
  
  But, but, but …. Look at the lovely big fish Clarke caught while we were jaunting around the Pacific Islands.
  
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  March 13, 2018 11:13am
  - VicParking
    
    Look at its teeth. No wonder he kissed it
    
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    March 13, 2018 3:57pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Oh yes, I forgot the debacle around charters schools, and the walk back on re-entry in to Pike River…
  
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  March 13, 2018 11:23am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  “…..and get a bitter old man to force you to buy it, even though you didn’t want it, or need it!”
  
  But that is Winnie’s strategy. He knew she wouldn’t hack it – possibly even knew she was pregnant. That’s why he insisted in being deputy dawg – when she splits because she can’t handle it, Winnie is PM for the remaining duration .
  The Baubles are dominant, as is the hypocrisy in this one.
  
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  March 13, 2018 11:52am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Awesome summary ROWTWOR
  
  🙂
  
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  March 13, 2018 11:54am
- marcw
  
  You missed this …
  
  The Parliamentary Library have been asked by the CoL comrades to reclassify George Orwell’s novel ‘1984’. Accordingly, the book will now be found in the non-fiction section. The call number (Dewey classification) is 321.9 ORW should you wish to request it.
  
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  March 13, 2018 1:16pm
- Faroffsound
  
  I’ve got some sympathy for her. She’s going to have to juggle being the PM, a mother and an electorate MP. I don’t really think she had any idea of what was involved.
  
  Add to that a dodgy Deputy and a not too trustworthy partner. And probably advisors telling her that, yes, you can do this! Not a recipe for success.
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:36pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    She chose the bed, she made the bed, she had a “conversation” with Clarke in the bed while the rest of us were told to look on.
    
    Now she can fix up her bed, because that is what we pay her $500k per annum to do. Not to piss off & give it to a bitter old man with a 7% mandate.
    
    By the way Winnie the Poo, how’s your legal action against the National Party 6 coming, you bitter old fool?
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:19pm
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  The key point is they never expected to become The Government. They were taken by complete surprise. I have it on good authority there was terrific panic going on behind the scenes in the first few weeks as they scrambled to cobble together the semblance of a professional face for the public. They had a few things to do in the first 100 days, but had no actual planned initiatives after that. Ministers’ offices are not picking up the phone because the staff can’t provide responses. This is because they are not being directed by their Ministers.
  
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  March 13, 2018 4:57pm
MrTips

On the Parliamentary menu today:

Roast Kirton – a bit gamey and tepid, needs a lot of sauce. Best served with marinated sprout balls.

Fried Mcintyre – get it while its still here. One serve only, this one’s not going to be repeated or offered again.

Blanched Ardern – this one lies a lot so it has a kind of limp taste. Needs to be served alone as is easily spoiled by being identified as part of the herd.

Boiling Clark – not one for the faint hearted. Runs naturally in the wild as a duo that eats what they kill. Becomes hagged and sour, especially when mixed back with limp and tasteless progeny.
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March 13, 2018 9:22am
Gravelroad

Water!!!!
What about all the terrible degraded waterways thanks to the evil farmers? That was big during the election campaign.
Maybe won’t soon be the evil farmers’ problem anyway seeing as Maori are going to own it.
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March 13, 2018 9:31am
Maggy Wassilieff

Fabulous day here in Gizzy, sun brilling, 40mm rain since 3pm yesterday, no branches/trees down, first camellia in bloom.
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March 13, 2018 9:37am
- Inandout
  
  Cindy and Clarkey recently visited, that’s why. She sprinkled dust on your camellia.
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:55am
  - sooty
    
    But, what did she do to the lemon tree?
    
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    March 13, 2018 12:32pm
Ross12

Not sure if it was incredibly bad logic or bad journalism or both.
Heard on the News earlier a report about cyclists and wearing helmets. The report starts by saying the number of tickets issued for not wearing helmets had dropped dramatically.
Then it goes on to talk about a push for a review on wearing helmets so it is not compulsory and the cyclists are going to have “protest” cycle in Wellington next weekend.
The report clearly linked the two things —how you could jump from one to the other is beyond me.
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March 13, 2018 9:43am
- fernglas
  
  The link might be that the Police have stopped dishing out so many tickets as it becomes more and more apparent that the helmet requirement is bad law.
  
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  March 13, 2018 11:01am
Awww C-mon

Almost 10am and no stephie-squirrel?

Either he is still getting his debrief or is busy googling when the next camp is because thats his kind of party…
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March 13, 2018 9:56am
- rangitoto
  
  He’s gone looking for a squirrel. Any squirrel will do.
  
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  March 13, 2018 10:02am
- KiWombat
  
  He’s in witless protection thismorning.
  
  Pretty difficult to defend the indefensible !
  
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  March 13, 2018 10:36am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    “Witless Protection” hilarious!
    
    I snorted coffee half a metre
    
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    March 13, 2018 11:57am
    - igm
      
      “Half”-witless!
      
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      March 13, 2018 4:46pm
Manolo

Beware. A very bitter hag is coming to NZ:
https://ntknetwork.com/clinton-white-women-voted-for-trump-because-their-husbands-told-them-to/

Hillary Clinton said that white women voted for President Trump during the 2016 presidential election because their husbands told them to, during a discussion at the India Today Conclave on Saturday.
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March 13, 2018 10:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Unbelievable!
  
  Totally disconnected with the ways of ordinary folks.
  
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  March 13, 2018 10:28am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Hilary doesn’t think white women can think for themselves?
  Good reason not to elect her.
  
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  March 13, 2018 10:32am
  - VicParking
    
    She got that from looking in a mirror
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:01pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Well Shaun the Sheep it is that fact that got her elevated over Sanders for the Dom choice for President. Now as the swamp is drained it has become even tougher as there are fewer to tell her what to think.
    
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    March 13, 2018 7:51pm
- RF
  
  She can pass on some good advice to the commie chick about how to keep her dog on a very tight leash and avoiding bitches on heat. She has had years of experience with her mongrel.
  
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  March 13, 2018 11:22am
  - lifesgood
    
    Yeah but it didn’t work.
    
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    March 13, 2018 3:35pm
- stephieboy
  
  Vic Parking , based on personal observation and experience .
  
  I think the daysM feather bedding Union members have long gone .
  
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  March 13, 2018 2:19pm
  - VicParking
    
    Stephie, I’m not sure but I take it you comment was about my posting on the port strike. The timeline is quite clear. From this report.
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/102179541/docked-wages-the-sticking-point-over-lyttelton-port-strike
    Sorry it’s Stuff, could not find it on the Standard.
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:06pm
sooty

The day of the Young Labour camp, did secret Cindy helicopter to the Coromandel and back to meet Julie Bishop or did she travel by speeding motorcade, like Helen Clark?
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March 13, 2018 10:04am
Jack5

So freeing up land zoning by itself couldn’t solve NZ’s housing shortage. We can’t build enough houses.

Demand has outrun supply, thanks to the surge in immigration.

Meanwhile, Labour’s Finance Minister, Robertson, continues spinning the mirage of economic growth by saying teachers are entitled to pay rises because of economic growth.

GDP has grown – but GDP per capita growth has been pretty much flat. That means New Zealand’s economy has got bigger, but New Zealanders are at best standing still economically.

And our long-standing balance-of-payments deficits, which show the country can’t pay it’s way in the world without borrowing or selling assets, in not too long will reach their half-century anniversary.

Yet you have a fuckwitted bankster in Australia talking about NZ’s “miracle economy”, and politicians – Left and Right – spreading the myth of booming NZ.
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March 13, 2018 10:56am
- Jack5
  
  Whoops, posted this in the wrong thread. Can’t move it, so I’ll copy it over.
  
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  March 13, 2018 11:02am
Manolo

Isn’t the Pope a Catholic?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/12/uks-may-says-highly-likely-russia-responsible-for-poisoning-of-ex-spy.html

British Prime Minister Theresa May said on Monday it was “highly likely” that Moscow was responsible for the poisoning in England of a former Russian spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

Either the Russian state was directly responsible for the poisoning or it had allowed a nerve agent to get into hands of others, May told Britain’s parliament.
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March 13, 2018 10:58am
- DigNap15
  
  Russia which just keep doing what it has always done since 1945.
  
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  March 13, 2018 11:11am
  - Kimbo
    
    Wasn’t Leon Trotsky murdered with an ice pick in the head in Mexico City…in 1940? ?
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg2np37JNEg
    
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    March 13, 2018 11:18am
    - Harkman
      
      Stalin was also murdered. (Good).
      
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      March 13, 2018 12:39pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        That’s a very debatable call.
        
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        March 13, 2018 1:22pm
      - MH
        
        who killed Buster Crab ?
        
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        March 13, 2018 5:09pm
  - stephieboy
    
    DigNap15 , I see so this justifies the toxic poisonings at Salisbury ?
    
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    March 13, 2018 2:20pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      You tell us.
      You’re telling the story thicko
      
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      March 13, 2018 2:23pm
DigNap15

Re Focus Education for Maori and PI

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12011695

Can you undertsand any of that twaddle?

How come Maori and PI people are the only ones in the world that cant adapt to western education.

I think the review should be the other way round.

How to get Maori and PI to value western education and start working hard, instead of being dumbed down by your friends, and dreaming of being a solo mum or a gang member.
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March 13, 2018 11:09am
- Happychappy
  
  There are a lot of Maori and Islanders out their that have done well for themselves also in Education and Business, so really your casting those who have worked hard to achieve in a bad light. While it is sad others don’t follow in the same footsteps their is good and bad in all races.
  
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  March 13, 2018 1:07pm
  - KevOB
    
    Published data on IQ give Maori and Pacific a mean level of 85. That is 1 std deviation below other white NZ and 20 points below the mean Chinese level of 105.
    IQ does show typical attainment levels and those non-Maori at 85 are not expected to be able to finish High School. Maori then at their -1 std deviation will be much much further down.
    
    Unpalatable facts. One size education doesn’t fit all. We need to seek to create and maintain work opportunities for the lesser abled,
    
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    March 13, 2018 2:57pm
Jack5

Not good for the “We’re all equal” mob:

Scientists have now shown that DNA can predict intelligence.

There is an interesting report on this behind the paywall at the Telegraph, but this one-minute video clip at You Tube explains it.

https://youtu.be/aOBuSqJb7Ak
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March 13, 2018 11:14am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If “intelligence” is predicated on the physical “wiring” of the brain, i.e., the density and transmission speed of nerve tissue, and these physical attributes (like height or sprinting speed) are genetically-based, then one can only conclude that a significant aspect of the “hardware” of the brain (processing speed and capacity) is also in our genes.
  
  Just as you can’t make a man taller through physical training, neither can you increase his general IQ. If it were possible, the armed forces (who have been studying it for over a century) would have found a way.
  
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  March 13, 2018 6:01pm
Manolo

The enemy within:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/28143/london-mayor-sadiq-khan-tells-silicon-valley-paul-bois

London’s first Muslim mayor, Sadiq Khan, wants Silicon Valley to start censoring what he has deemed “hate speech.”

Khan will be giving the keynote speech at the South by Southwest festival in Austin, Texas, where he plans to reference anti-hate speech laws like the ones in Germany, where tech companies can be fined 50 million euros for not regulating hate speech.
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March 13, 2018 11:18am
- Ed Snack
  
  Sounds like Khan is giving utterance to hate speech himself – he must be silenced.
  
  I think it was Iowahawk or a blogger like that who came up with the concept that he would support hate speech legislation as long as he got to determine what was hate speech. I could could go with that, so Khan must be prevented from speaking his hate speech, neat solution.
  
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  March 13, 2018 2:57pm
DigNap15

What a piece of vermin he is.
Free speech is the root of democracy!
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March 13, 2018 11:23am
plc

Really interesting run around the MSM news sites.

They really seem to be trying to close the Young Labour story down. It is no longer headlining and comments sections are not open.
As Rod Stewart sang “I don’t want to talk about it”.
Imagine if this was Young Nats.
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March 13, 2018 11:27am
- igm
  
  Time “Freedom of Impartial Information” legislation was put into place. MSM Labour-based sycophants are running riot disseminating news to meet their particular agendas and ideologies.
  
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  March 13, 2018 4:54pm
EAD_TWO

The blowback against Jordan Peterson continues:

“Cleaned my room as per Jordan Peterson’s advice, didn’t solve anything:”

https://mobile.twitter.com/thetolerantman/status/973002137318973440/photo/1

One of his “12 rules for life” is to “pet a cat when you see one”. Nothing in there about preserving thousands of years of European culture and history from the Saracen hordes sweeping across the continent and raping children in hundreds of our cities, weird.
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March 13, 2018 11:30am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It’s not the act. It’s the application of the principle behind the act.
  
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  March 13, 2018 6:03pm
EAD_TWO

“Modern” Britain in a nutshell:

https://mobile.twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/973209757313126406

Its as if the more white girls become victims of “Grooming Gangs” the more the State cracks down on the very people who are warning about the problem (see Susan Devoy)

What a bizarro mirror this “democracy” thing is. A system that is destroying our people and way of life yet we are supposed to fight and die for the right to pick our “Pepsi or Coke” overlords.
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March 13, 2018 11:35am
- kowtow
  
  And the media are making a big deal about the Russkies when the real threat is from imported Muslim Pakistanis.
  
  What has PM May to say about that?
  
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  March 13, 2018 12:28pm
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow , Russia has 9 million Muslims . Do they pose a security threat for Putin and the Kremlin ?
    
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    March 13, 2018 2:31pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yes, some of them do.
      There’s plenty of stories about Islamic terrorist attacks in Russia.
      The FBI has even been known to help.
      You’re talking shit bigtime today!
      
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      March 13, 2018 2:38pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Stephie.
      Remember the Chechnya war? – Muslims
      Remember the 2004 Beslan school massacre? – Muslims.
      I could go on for 50 pages or more.
      
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      March 13, 2018 3:29pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Don the Kiwi ,
        
        and Russia’s leader attends the opening of the grand Mosque in Moscow ,
        
        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-mosque/putin-opens-moscows-largest-mosque-warns-against-extremists-idUSKCN0RN1UD20150923
        
        I think Putin understands that Chechnya Nationalism and separatism is a lot more complex that you could ever imagine
        
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        March 13, 2018 3:35pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Don expresses eloquently, again, his shallow understanding of faith and conflict.
        
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        March 13, 2018 3:38pm
    - igm
      
      Muslims pose threats to everyone in western democracies.
      
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      March 13, 2018 4:55pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO,
  
  I note that your link claims ISIS recruits are still going off to the ME when the US President has claimed he has beaten them and no longer a security threat .
  
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  March 13, 2018 2:29pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    EADs source doesn’t say ‘ME’ at all
    You’re such a liar.
    
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    March 13, 2018 2:34pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Tips on driving trucks in Europe for ISIS.
    https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-04-12/isis-has-detailed-instructions-carrying-out-truck-attacks-theyre-pretty
    Driving on footpaths and such is an ‘essential’ for ISIS
    
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    March 13, 2018 2:40pm
    - stephieboy
      
      simpleton , yesterdays news
      
      April 12, 2017 · 5:00 PM ED
      
      The President assures us that he has beaten ISIS
      
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      March 13, 2018 3:39pm
      - VicParking
        
        STEPHIE YOU DONT NEED TO TELL US YOUR QUALIFICATIONS BEFORE YOU COMMENT
        
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        March 13, 2018 4:12pm
      - simpleton1
        
        JAN 13, 2018
        Mohammad’s followers and ideology run deep, and do not necessarily go to the ME.
        
        physical caliphate quickly disappears, media reports speak of foreign fighters, including Americans, attempting to lay low in Turkey before deciding their next move. ……..
        Yet even from afar, Western isis recruits wield influence on their sympathizers back home ……
        Fortunately, so far, very few Americans have returned home from stints in the Islamic State. …….
        Islamic State’s American commanders may be limited in number— but the trajectory of the group shows that small numbers can wreak great damage. …. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/01/isis-america-hoxha/550508/
        
        Faith and conflict.
        
        slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sword_Verse#Context
        
        Great is thy faithfulness 🙂
        
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        March 13, 2018 5:14pm
      - simpleton1
        
        February 28 2018 ISIS Power.
        This year stephieboy !
        
        ISIS says to turn Brit holiday hot-spots in Egypt into bloodbaths
        ……..now the terror group is demanding attacks to destabilise the Egyptian government ahead of elections in late March.
        An editorial in the ISIS weekly Al-Naba, which was released online, explicitly threatens attacks.
        It tells ISIS operatives to intensify their attacks against “belligerent” Christians and tourists in the country.
        The article says: “And it is worth mentioning in these days that the mujahideen in all regions of Egypt aim to escalate their attacks against the apostates, belligerent Christians, and the polytheists from among the tourists, and others.”
        http://www.thebaghdadpost.com/EN/story/24283/ISIS-says-to-turn-Brit-holiday-hot-spots-in-Egypt-into-bloodbaths
        
        ISIS is like a shark swimming and hiding among the fish, now called to strike again.
        
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        March 13, 2018 9:43pm
  - simpleton1
    
    ISIS again calls for “lone wolf” “mad” “demented” murderers of a certain religion to take up the ~~sword~~ truck driving, possibly with guns and knives also.
    So funny as guns are supposedly banned and very controlled in Europe. 😉
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5436145/ISIS-fanatics-call-truck-attacks-latest-propaganda.html
    
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    March 13, 2018 2:57pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Claiming responsibility and allegiance to attackers, even this year.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_linked_to_ISIL#2018
    
    So this year
    
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    March 13, 2018 3:40pm
rangitoto

The usual trolls seem to be MIA today. Orders from the All Highest Ultimate Supremacy to keep their traps shut?
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March 13, 2018 11:57am
- MCos
  
  From the Urban Dictionary
  
  Trolling
  The art of deliberately, cleverly, and secretly pissing people off.
  
  I don’t know about ‘cleverly’ and certainly not ‘secretly’ as pertaining to this forum.
  
  Sometimes the result resembles a paintball shootout with both sides scoring multiple hits, but everyone’s back again next day to do it all again.
  
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  March 13, 2018 1:12pm
Ross12

So is “Tomorrow’s Schools” going on the chopping block? Back to the centrally (Wellington !) controlled system, with bureaucrats in total control? ( repeated the use on the word control for a reason)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/102211135/education-ministers-overhaul-of-schools-will-include-the-role-of-boards-of-trustees
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March 13, 2018 12:32pm
Happychappy

I see Winston has upset the Australian Labor Party with his interview defending the Russians on the shooting down of the MH17 in which many Australians and one NZ’er lost their lives.
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March 13, 2018 12:59pm
- MCos
  
  Recently I mentioned the dead rats NZ has swallowed over the years to keep in good with America & the UK.
  Looks like we’re doing the same thing with Russia on a small scale because we want a trade agreement.
  I wonder how he’ll spin the nerve gas attack? (I wonder how America will spin the nerve gas attack?)
  I wouldn’t worry too much about Australia. They’d drop us in the shit quick enough if it suits them.
  
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  March 13, 2018 1:24pm
  - fernglas
    
    Winston wants a trade agreement. I don’t. There is only so much rotgut vodka and borscht I can consume. Plus the next thing will be all their oligarchs and spies buying up Parnell and dying from exotic causes all over the show.
    
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    March 13, 2018 2:01pm
    - Viking2
      
      They already own a lot here in NZ.
      
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      March 13, 2018 7:32pm
Manolo

Mueller keeps fishing:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/congress/house-committee-releases-verdict-russia-probe-no-collusion

The House Intelligence Committee has released findings from its upcoming report on the Trump-Russia affair — and its main conclusion is that it has discovered no evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election.

“We have found no evidence of collusion, coordination, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians,” the committee said in a one-page summary of its findings released Monday afternoon.
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March 13, 2018 1:41pm
- mikenmild
  
  The likelihood of the House Committee voting for any other finding was very low indeed. let’s not kid ourselves that the majority finding, or the minority dissent, represents a full account of Trump/Russia.
  
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  March 13, 2018 2:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo,
  
  Mueller keeps fishing ?
  
  For very good reasons ,
  
  Note Mueller has already indicted 13 Russians for election meddling. ,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/16/robert-muell
  er-russians-charged-election
  
  and ,
  
  “Russian operatives traveled across the United States to gather intelligence and foment political discord. ”
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/us/politics/russians-indi
  cted-mueller-election-interference.html
  
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  March 13, 2018 2:36pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Meh. They spent $60k on some Facebook ads in a State Hillary spent tens of millions.
    
    And that had nothing to do with Trump.
    Heck, they even organised a rally against Trump.
    Which Michael Moore attended!
    
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    March 13, 2018 2:41pm
    - mikenmild
      
      So, you concur with the congressman’s conclusion that “[w]e found no evidence of collusion. We found perhaps some bad judgment, inappropriate meetings”?
      No need for any more investigations?
      No need for Trump to testify?
      
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      March 13, 2018 2:54pm
      - Kimbo
        
        In the absence of a smoking gun, no. No matter who the POTUS, their time is too valuable, and their office too important to indulge fishing expeditions.
        
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        March 13, 2018 2:59pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Perhaps just a 10 0r 11-hour grilling of the next tier down. See – Benghaziiiiiee!
        And you are right – Congress can’t expect to cut into Trump’s time with the Gorilla Channel.
        
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        March 13, 2018 3:14pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Hey, the guy’s got a bully pulpit/Twitter account to beat.
        
        Saw an amusing comment the other day by the conservative WaPo columnist George Will, when Trump criticised him as a poor commentator. When asked for a response Will conceded Trump had an advantage because when he (Will) writes his op eds, he is expected to use more than 140 characters. ?
        
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        March 13, 2018 3:28pm
  - Manolo
    
    You are right, stephieboy. The Russians are responsible for Hillary’s defeat. I can see it now. Thank you.
    
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    March 13, 2018 2:44pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo , thank you and reinforced by this ,
      
      Go Donald!’: Inside the Russian shadow campaign to elect Trump
      
      “The third Saturday of August 2016 seemed like a big day for Donald Trump in Florida.
      
      A group called “Being Patriotic” had organized more than a dozen “Florida Goes Trump” rallies throughout the state — from Clearwater to Jacksonville to Miami. They bought Facebook advertisements for the occasion and hyped a “patriotic flash mob” for him. They even paid someone to build a large cage on a flatbed truck that could hold a costumed Hillary Clinton impersonator in prison garb.
      
      “Go Donald!” concluded a Facebook post, outlining the day’s festivities.
      
      But the effort was not part of the official Trump campaign.
      
      Instead, the pro-Trump rallies were just a small piece of an expansive shadow campaign engineered thousands of miles away by Russians who gained what prosecutors said Friday was a keen understanding of the fault lines of U.S. politics. From staging events on the ground in political battlegrounds to spreading misinformation across social media, the operation functioned in effect as a third party injecting itself into the hotly contested 2016 presidential race — exploiting the vulnerabilities of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and stoking ethnic tensions to help Trump become president….”
      
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/go-donald-inside-the-russian-shadow-campaign-to-elect-trump/2018/02/16/dea562c2-134a-11e8-9065-e55346f6de81_story.html?utm_term=.bc696256eb16
      
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      March 13, 2018 2:51pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        And what had Trump got to do with that?
        I think every intelligent observer (not you obviously) now realises that Russia just intended to sew confusion all around.
        No collusion by Trump with Russia.
        
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        March 13, 2018 2:54pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed ,
        
        Russia just intended to sew confusion all around.
        No collusion by Trump with Russia.
        
        Sow confusion for the benefit of nobody ?
        
        Sooooo Funny !!
        
        Thick as a brick for a Mexican border wall !
        
        LOL
        
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        March 13, 2018 3:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Well, do you have any evidence of collusion?
        Better get on the phone quick to Adam Schiff.
        I hear he’s pretty desperate
        What’s funny is for well over a year you and others have been going on and on and on about this.
        And there’s nothing
        Ralph/Stephieboy- religious extremist from St Albans Church and Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator
        
        Hey, you still live in Dominion Road? Perhaps I should call over.
        
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        March 13, 2018 3:07pm
      - MCos
        
        Trump says there’s no collusion.
        That’s good enough for me.
        
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        March 13, 2018 3:41pm
- virtualmark
  
  Rrriiigggghhhhtt.
  
  They didn’t interview Manafort, Gates and Papadopolous to name just three, or properly interview Don Jr, Bannon, Hicks etc because they swallowed a totally spurious “Executive Privilege” scam.
  
  They didn’t subpoena any meaningful evidence.
  
  Then they released this draft report without even consulting the other committee members.
  
  And they don’t explain why they disagree with the entire US intelligence community.
  
  So really this is just a Republican mass delusion. I mean if it makes you feel better for a while then fine, but the problem is that the Mueller investigation shows every appearance of *proving* a different reality.
  
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  March 13, 2018 4:38pm
Manolo

To be expected from sexually-repressed Muslims:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5372919/UN-warns-rampant-sexual-violence-Greek-refugee-camps.html

Sexual violence is rampant is Greek refugee camps where bathrooms and latrines have become no-go zones after dark for women and children, the UN has warned.

The situations has become so bad in some centres, like Moria on Lesbos and Vathy on Samos, that even bathing during the daytime is a risk.
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March 13, 2018 2:42pm
- All_on_Red
  
  What about the Mall at St Luke’s?
  That Starbucks seems to be the haunt of dirty old men
  
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  March 13, 2018 2:59pm
  - MCos
    
    Thanks for the tip.
    When’s a good time?
    
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    March 13, 2018 3:44pm
stephieboy

All on Red , you’d rather they give the game away and fronted up with millions for the Trump campaign team and brazenly attended Trump rallies ?

I think they’re al lot more cleverer than that . You also

DUH !
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March 13, 2018 2:45pm
- kevn
  
  @SB… Go back to sleep septicboy. You have nothing offer.
  
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  March 13, 2018 2:56pm
- All_on_Red
  
  What millions? They had no money. Hillary spent well over $1 Billion
  You’re so thick.
  
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  March 13, 2018 2:57pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Trump is not a billionaire? Whoever would have thought that?
    
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    March 13, 2018 3:07pm
- GazzaW
  
  Hey stephie you’re urgently needed over on the Young Labour camp post. There’s not a troll to be seen. Not deserting your post I hope.
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Dear Parents,
If your kid has been abused and an adult knows about it, then it now appears that you needn’t be told about the matter, because that could be re-traumatising your kid.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102216913/sexual-abuse-support-organisation-says-labour-right-not-to-tell-parents

What a perfect system for abusers to thrive within, eh?

Where does the buck stop?
If I was still teaching and knew of abuse, I would have to notify authorities.
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March 13, 2018 2:48pm
- KevOB
  
  Those authorities are under a responsible Minister appointed by the PM.
  
  Typical McCartenism–do everything see nothing so it can’t exist. Figments of the imagination like Tywfords housing.
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:03pm
- mandk
  
  I understand it’s also the case that an under sixteen-years-old girl who has been impregnated by an “uncle” or another abuser can be whisked off for an abortion without the parents being told.
  
  On the other hand, if she needs a paracetamol from the school nurse, the parents must be informed.
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:07pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  I would have to notify authorities.
  
  The world’s greatest sys-op (because he tells us so) Lprent begs to differ:
  
  In case you hadn’t ever noticed there are a pile of legal restrictions that get removed or apply at age 16. You can marry with parental consent. You can join the army in specified types of roles. You may indulge in sex and sexual behaviour legally.
  
  One of them is that adults may not lay a complaint on behalf of a young adult with the police without their consent. They have to lay the complaint themselves.
  
  So if you were the interfering old dimwit that you appear to be, exactly what complaint were you going to lay without the 16yo’s permission? That it wasn’t done that way when you were 16? Because it was – you ignorant ageist dumbarse.
  
  What a charming man…
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well that may be so (and I was well aware of that), but it may behove the Labour Party to study the
    Care of Children Act 2004… where
    child means a person under the age of 18 years
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2004/0090/latest/whole.html
    
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    March 13, 2018 3:42pm
GazzaW

That goddamned Cyclone Hola just won’t do what the MSM wants it to do. It’s still sitting to the north of NZ and weakening. http://www.windy.com
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March 13, 2018 2:57pm
- stephieboy
  
  Gazza , an opportunity now for MSM to put the focus on you and looney alt righters on KB ?
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:03pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    “It’s still sitting to the north of NZ”
    
    To the East actually, Gazza.
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:02pm
- mikenmild
  
  We need a truth-in-waether-forecasting law.
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:33pm
  - mikenmild
    
    ‘weather’
    
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    March 13, 2018 3:35pm
- MCos
  
  Are there no lengths the MSM won’t go to to pass on severe weather information from the MetService?
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:57pm
All_on_Red

New Roster is up
http://www.saintalbans.org.nz/rosters.html
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March 13, 2018 3:11pm
- mikenmild
  
  Stalking again? Doing some doxxing as well?
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:34pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    He outed himself on 24 Dec when he skited about doing a Reading on Christmas Day
    He stalks me (and others) all the time.
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:04pm
    - Kimbo
      
      He stalked you within, or beyond the bounds of Kiwiblog, and any personal details you chose to divulge here? Including your actual name?
      
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      March 13, 2018 4:21pm
Longknives

Am I reading this correctly?
Help/Rape Crisis are telling kids that they don’t have to tell their parents if they are Raped/Sexually Assaulted??

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102216913/sexual-abuse-support-organisation-says-labour-right-not-to-tell-parents

We are talking about children here. Think about that for a minute…

I’d want blood if my 15/16 year old was molested by one of the Predators that seem to infest the Labour Party..And nobody told me!
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March 13, 2018 3:23pm
- mikenmild
  
  Why would your child not tell you? Do you not have a good relationship with him/her/it?
  
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  March 13, 2018 3:35pm
  - Longknives
    
    Mikey- If you can’t figure out why a 15 year old Girl might not want to tell her parents she got drunk and was sexually assaulted…..
    
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    March 13, 2018 3:55pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s a damn low, personal smear to make.
    Address the issue, don’t try and smear Longknives.
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:02pm
    - Longknives
      
      No worries Maggy- I thought that was pretty low for Mikey but we have been battling away (mostly in reasonable spirit) for about 30,000 comments and he is usually a bit classier than that!
      Maybe his shipment of paper clips didn’t arrive at the Office today?…
      
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      March 13, 2018 4:47pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    One of the things that can help protect your child from being groomed and used sexually is if your child has a good relationship with you so there is less chance they will fall prey.
    
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    March 13, 2018 5:26pm
    - Longknives
      
      One of the things that can ‘help protect your child from being groomed and used sexually’ is to keep them away from the freaking Labour Party weirdos!
      
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      March 13, 2018 5:50pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Sorry Longknives. I should have expressed waikatogirl’s sentiments on this one.
        
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        March 13, 2018 9:54pm
- MCos
  
  While in no way belittling what happened in this instance the following from the article indicates that this is in no way an isolated incident
  “(Abuse Prevention Network general manager Fiona) McNamara said there would have been incidents like this in the past within political parties, and other organisations and businesses, and there would continue to be until there was a culture shift, and better education.”
  
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  March 13, 2018 4:16pm
mikenmild

I’m no great fan of stephiboy’s ignorance, abuse and trolling, but does he really deserve to be stalked and threatened?
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March 13, 2018 3:36pm
- Kimbo
  
  Fair point, Mickey. Plus St Albans is Anglo Catholic so I would discourage attendance, even for the spiritually deficient purposes of stalking, when other evangelical, even Calvinist alternatives exist in the central Auckland area.
  
  But as per the Labour Party’s response to abusive conduct, isn’t the appropriate first step to ask stephie how he’d like the matter to be dealt with?
  
  Joking aside, yep agreed. Is mongrel behaviour.
  
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  March 13, 2018 4:09pm
  - nasska
    
    Aww! The nasty meanies are being horrible to poor stephieboy.
    
    Someone find him the blogsite catering especially for delicate little snowflakes without a clue. 🙂
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:23pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      the blogsite catering especially for delicate little snowflakes without a clue
      
      Does Pete George’s Your NZ blog qualify?
      
      Your NZ is for discussing New Zealand social issues and politics, for debating, informing and getting feedback from anyone who is interested in participating.
      
      Reason, Reasonable, Robust
      
      Pete has helpfully published a 10-step good blog commenting guide:
      
      How you can add value and enhance good blog discussions, and how to be less bad. Every commenter should read this and take on board some sensible principles of good blog commenting. If we learn from this we will all make our blogs a wee bit better.
      
      Everyone will feel safe at Your NZ. It’s known as the tumbleweed blog for a reason!
      
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      March 13, 2018 4:35pm
      - nasska
        
        But very fair & always reasonable Nostra. 🙂
        
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        March 13, 2018 4:38pm
    - Kimbo
      
      @ nasska
      
      As per my engagement with the likes of Chuck Bird, Nukuleka and EAD when they stick their head above the parapet, I don’t have a problem with a robust proactive approach with propagandists, agenda-setters, spray and walk away merchants, and threadjackers. And as also with them, and yes, as mikey implies, stephieboy deserves and needs regular kicking to make sure chaos doesn’t ensue.
      
      But there are limits. And even if occasional personal details are divulged, as you and I have done from time to time, anonymity, if chosen is one of them. No matter who it is…
      
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      March 13, 2018 4:38pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      One would like to think one is better than the likes of lprent et al.
      
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      March 13, 2018 5:59pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  It’s a question I have been asking myself, I find myself feeling a little uncomfortable at times about his personal/real life being exposed, but I also cannot condone the way he treated some of the commentators who use their actual name, particularly Maggie.
  Stephie has a tendency to troll (badly) the guys, while he stalks and bullies the girls.
  While I am by no means the KB hall monitor I do find it difficult to not try and address those situations.
  
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  March 13, 2018 4:31pm
  - nasska
    
    It’s a blog for grown ups. If any of the petals who bully & stalk others can’t handle the heat they can always fuck off & find another, more gentle forum to troll.
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:34pm
    - Longknives
      
      I don’t want Stephieboy or anyone who mocks Stephieboy banned- I think the ‘Freedom of Speech’ is the best thing going on Kiwiblog!
      Most of us would only last one comment before being banned over at The Standard…
      
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      March 13, 2018 4:50pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        No need for Stephie to be so nasty to dear Maggy.
        Trolls gotta troll but if he dishes it out, he needs to accept the backlash. ?
        
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        March 13, 2018 5:32pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @WG
        
        I don’t give a stuff whether people on here are nasty to me.
        I do object when lies about me are placed on this blog and a third party is included in the comment.
        I report these comments to DFP.
        
        I object on behalf of my in-laws and surviving relative to having my surname associated with Alt-right, neo-Nazi, anti-semite, racist innuendo.
        
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        March 13, 2018 5:53pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        It says a lot about a person to relentlessly troll people who he knows have opposing views in the way he does and take the resulting pounding that comes his way. Very low on the empathy and emotional intelligence scales I’d suggest.
        
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        March 13, 2018 7:19pm
Nostradamus

Kimbo on 6 March:

So sweepstake time again- how long until the next suspension. I give it 9 days. Then again, hey realityczech’s opening missive already has all the familiar elements in the self-destruct gambit – Germany, Nazis, Jews, Muslims – such that by 9pm tonight might see the unruly bird shit all over the place sufficiently for DPF to put it back in the cooler.

Kea/RealityCzech only lasted a day – or 27 hours and 7 minutes to be exact!
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March 13, 2018 4:41pm
- Kimbo
  
  Kea/RealityCzech/felching straw only lasted a day – or 27 hours and 7 minutes to be exact!
  
  There! Fixed that for ya.
  
  And as per last night on General Debate when you speculated on my supernatural ability to summon EAD, that failed prediction is yet more proof I’m no Nazi-whisperer! 😉
  
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  March 13, 2018 4:52pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Kimbo:
    
    that failed prediction
    
    Oh my goodness, you’re not expecting me to let you off the hook that easily, are you? My comment was about the 44 minute summon-to-appearance time. Both you and EAD appeared to accept that there was room for improvement!
    
    My benchmark (in case you’re interested) is 4 minutes. EAD used to comment, and Mikenmild would generally respond within 4 minutes. If he didn’t, we sent out a search party!
    
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    March 13, 2018 4:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Too much ice around the Antarctic Peninsula.
Send for the Argies.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/12/american-scientists-rescued-by-argentine-icebreaker-from-arctic-island
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March 13, 2018 4:52pm
igm

When will Fairfax Filth be taken to task over misleading headlines?
Once again they are quoting “Driver Fleeing Police” in an horrific triple fatality.
It leaves one thinking police were responsible, when they were doing their job, trying to catch a dangerous fugitive on the run.
This anti-police crap is getting to the point where something must be done to rein these so-called journos in before someone has total meltdown!
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March 13, 2018 5:53pm
- Longknives
  
  The silence has been deafening from the current Police Minister… (Clearly not wishing to upset his Crim-Hugging Bosses)
  When Collins was Police Minister she backed the Troops to the hilt.
  
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  March 13, 2018 6:01pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    The cops have set up a special task force to deal with Aussie bikers in Tauranga area. The Comancheros and others sent back from Australia are building a criminal network and peddling meth. Do we really believe the NZ cops have the balls to be strong enough to deal with these hardened Aussie bikers?
    
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    March 13, 2018 8:22pm
- Nostradamus
  
  IGM:
  
  You’ll be pleased to know that the NZ Herald has an investigative journalism team: hilarious passive-aggressive notes from frustrated flatmates
  
  A hilarious selection of passive-aggressive notes left by frustrated flatmates captures the low points of negotiating shared living quarters. People around the world have shared photos of the witty, petty and rude notes people have used to try and get their point across.
  
  Thank goodness we have a newspaper of record to tell us about the world’s most pressing issues!
  
  For over 150 years, The New Zealand Herald has connected Kiwis to the nation, the world, and to what matters to them.
  
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  March 13, 2018 6:04pm
Johnboy

What a good idea!!! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/102208875/tauherenikau-bridge-will-open-up-tourist-trails-in-south-wairarapa
I hope DOC won’t be involved, they’re up to bridge number three further up the Tauherenikau so far! 🙂
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March 13, 2018 6:29pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Are you planning on using the bridge to move Flossie and the rest of the flock from A to B, Johnboy?
  
  “It’s a very long bridge and the wind comes whistling down the Tauherenikau Gorge. There’s a lot of bracing required so that the bridge neither shakes itself to pieces or flicks the cyclists off,” he said.
  
  Sounds like fun!
  
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  March 13, 2018 6:34pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Flicking the cyclists from arsehole to breakfast sounds like a good plan Nostra. Leave the bracing wires off and make real men out the lycra clad chaps I say! 🙂
    
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    March 13, 2018 6:57pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”or flicks the cyclists off”….
    
    Now there’s something that would be a tourist attraction. We could build a grandstand on the bank so tourists could watch road lice taking an early bath.
    
    If you want to make a few bob out of tourism you have to think outside of the box. 🙂
    
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    March 13, 2018 6:57pm
    - Johnboy
      
      We could get some Crocodiles from our Aussie mates and release them at Cone hut just to add a bit more excitement to the cyclists swim! 🙂
      
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      March 13, 2018 7:01pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Shane Atkinson, chairman of the Greytown Trails Trust which is driving the project, said the bridge will be a huge drawcard for the region. “Our timing is very fortuitous because this is a thing that is going to help both tourism and local amenities in the Wairarapa. Everybody from the mayors down all think it’s a fantastic idea,” Atkinson said.
        
        No one’s going to travel halfway around the world just to see a bridge, The mayors will be completely sold on Nasska’s grandstand and Johnboy’s crocodiles – what a way to bring in the tourists! Even the Greens might support this proposal (for once) since it combines eco-tourism and population control!
        
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        March 13, 2018 7:15pm
      - Johnboy
        
        “Everybody from the mayors down all think it’s a fantastic idea,” Atkinson said.”
        Lying bastard. I bet he never asked wee Jock McTavish, the Featherston roadsweeper, who’d get the extra duty of clearing up the riverbed after the roadlice dropped their drink bottles and lolly wrappers! 🙂
        
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        March 13, 2018 7:20pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I lost interest in reading about that bridge when I found out it wasn’t made for cars to use.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:34pm
Philview

Ha ha, This will put Winston on the spot. What will he do?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102232430/russian-spy-scandal-britain-reaches-out-to-new-zealand
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March 13, 2018 6:53pm
- Johnboy
  
  He could remind the Pom’s about how they flicked us off when they joined the Common Market! 🙂
  How times have changed! 🙂
  
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  March 13, 2018 7:05pm
- Kimbo
  
  Perfidious Albion merits the same level of support from us as they gave us when the French were threatening trade reprisals for imprisoning their agents who sank the Rainbow Warrior. None.
  
  As per when their incompetence lost Singapore in 1942, the cornerstone of our military security, and they turned their back on us by going into Europe in 1973, thus destroying the cornerstone of our economic security, the message to them should be
  
  “…bad luck, old chap, but we have other priorities at the moment, so you’re on your own”.
  
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  March 13, 2018 7:22pm
  - nasska
    
    Even worse Kimbo……they took our beautiful meat & the Pommie swine sold us Cortinas & Morris Minors instead of cars.
    
    For that if nothing else they deserve to be totally ostracised. 🙂
    
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    March 13, 2018 7:32pm
    - Brigitte
      
      Would it be better to send our fine butter to Russia in exchange for Ladas (which aren’t cars either)?
      
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      March 13, 2018 7:59pm
      - DigNap15
        
        Did you say Russian Ladies?
        
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        March 13, 2018 8:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        Looks like Nivas (formerly Lada Nivas) are still being made in Russia – by Avto-Vaz (majority owned by the Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi Alliance), with one model jointly produced by Avto-Vaz and General Motors.
        
        The Russian car industry (600,000 employees) is now part of the international industry with some parts brought in and others shipped out. Bit like Britain, which may make better cars, but doesn’t match Russian tanks.
        
        The latest “Ladas” (Vestas) don’t look too bad:
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Lada+Vesta&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAs4y74ejZAhXJurwKHbgYB88Q_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=974
        
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        March 13, 2018 8:32pm
rangitoto

I’m hearing of more allegations. Michael Savage would be disappointed at what the Labour party has become.
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March 13, 2018 7:18pm
- Jack5
  
  John A. Lee had Savage summed up.
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:35pm
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    In the same way that the Labour Party had Lee summed up?
    
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    March 13, 2018 8:57pm
sooty

So Labour do have a rape culture in it. there is another case from the past coming out. Who is the minister for children, I wonder?
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March 13, 2018 7:21pm
sooty

So, who’s child is the 20yr old that’s been thrown under the bus.
Must be someone important like a minister, maybe?
Labour seem to be treating the 20yr old as an adult.
Yet secret cindy says she is youth adjacent?
Will she still be after she delivers a baby?
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March 13, 2018 7:28pm
sooty

Remember, Auntie Annie had a sex party at her house too.
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March 13, 2018 7:29pm
- Nostradamus
  
  I’ve just been reading a very interesting Investigate article that I found after reading Stephen2d’s comment on another Kiwiblog thread. See “Damage Control” starting at page 26. If even 10% of the article is accurate, the Labour Party has a lot to answer for!
  
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  March 13, 2018 7:43pm
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    Ian Wishart does not have a good journalistic record.
    
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    March 13, 2018 8:54pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Mikenmild:
      
      I know Ian Wishart has his fans and his detractors, but when you read the article, it appears that he gave people an opportunity to respond to specific allegations made against them. I think that’s a fair and balanced approach. And like I said, even if only 10% of the article is accurate, it’s a pretty sad reflection on the Labour Party.
      
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      March 13, 2018 9:54pm
      - niggly
        
        It was a very interesting read* and described the Labour MP’s very well. Because people were given the opportunity to respond and one could compare the two sides of the story (and see where the spin was applied) I’d say the accuracy is well up there.
        
        Liked the description of Young Labour activists (and “poor” Helen had it hard with them on her case haha)! Seems troughing and arts funding were handy weapons the last Labour Govt could deploy in their favor.
        
        If one steps back to look at the wider picture the article presents (which wasn’t its intention), it’s incredible how Labour has its supporters throughout society and certain sectors who “grass” back to the Party (no wonder why National had it tough going)!
        
        *Have yet to read the last couple of pages or so (as lost connection at the time and other things to do now) but did it explain who this “Peter” was? Eg someone connected to Chris Carter or the other one and only “First Peter” of NZ at the time? 🙂
        
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        March 13, 2018 10:39pm
- Viking2
  
  and don’t forget Anne Hercus and her Chathams Party.
  
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  March 13, 2018 7:46pm
  - RF
    
    Plus the busted aircraft door that cost a pretty penny to replace.
    
    That was glossed over by Labour. Pissed MPs.
    
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    March 13, 2018 8:37pm
Kimbo

Ok, forget the Labour Party boozy groper kerfuffle. This really is a scandal. The new series of “The Great British Bake Off” has just started on Prime…and there is no Sue Perkins, Mel Geidroyc or…Mary Berry! No Mary Berry?! Just Paul Hollywood. Google search says the producers decided to move their show from the BBC to Channel Four, and only Hollywood decided to join them.

Only bright note is that Channel Four’s most valuable asset, Cathy Newman, isn’t hosting. “So what you’re saying is that for your Show Stopper you want to bake transsexuals in your oven?” ?
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March 13, 2018 7:42pm
stigie

Yea but did Auntie Annie know that her boarder Mr Hughes was tattie deep into some young twink that no lube was used which sent him packing down the road naked..?
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March 13, 2018 7:44pm
- nasska
  
  ….”that no lube was used”….
  
  Now you’re on to it stigie. A dollop of mutton fat at the right time & the history of the NZ Labour Party would have read less like a pornographic novel. 🙂
  
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  March 13, 2018 7:57pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  The sight of a naked Darren – with or without lube – would be enough to send me packing down the road!
  
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  March 13, 2018 7:57pm
Viking2

Labour’s general secretary has confirmed he’s been told by Young Labour of a second sexual misconduct incident at a similar event to the one last month where four teenagers were allegedly assaulted.

Andrew Kirton was contacted by Young Labour on Monday night to say a woman had come forward saying she had been sexually assaulted at an event in the last ten years.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102237347/second-sexual-assault-allegation-surfaces-for-labour-party?cid=facebook.post.102237347
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March 13, 2018 7:56pm
- cmm
  
  Oh dear and oh dearer!
  
  #metoo, now #methree.
  
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  March 13, 2018 7:59pm
- nasska
  
  That’s Monday & Tuesdays’ sexual perversions out in the open.
  
  By Friday we’ll have photos of a senior Labour MP hanging out of the back of a goat! 🙂
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:00pm
  - cmm
    
    Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it.
    
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    March 14, 2018 6:55am
Viking2

A tourist in Vienna is going through a graveyard and all of a sudden he hears music. No one is around, so he starts searching for the source.
He finally locates the origin and finds it is coming from a grave with a headstone that reads “Ludwig van Beethoven, 1770 – 1827”.
Then he realizes that the music is the Ninth Symphony and it is being played backward!
Puzzled, he leaves the graveyard and persuades a friend to return with him. By the time they arrive back at the grave, the music has changed. This time it is the Seventh Symphony, but like the previous piece, it is being played backward.
Curious, the men agree to consult a music scholar. When they return with the expert, the Fifth Symphony is playing, again backward.
The expert notices that the symphonies are being played in the reverse order in which they were composed, the 9th, then the 7th, then the 5th.
By the next day the word has spread and a crowd has gathered around the grave. They are all listening to the Second Symphony being played backward.

Just then the graveyard’s caretaker ambles up to the group.

Someone in the group asks him if he has an explanation for the music.

“I would have thought it was obvious” the caretaker says.

“He’s decomposing.”
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March 13, 2018 8:04pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Viking, Thanks for that bit of light-heartedness after all that sad Liarbor Pardy crap today. ?
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:37pm
- mikenmild
  
  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=monty+python+decomposing+composers+youtube
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:53pm
RF

Interesting that the National spokesperson was Crusher and not Bishop.

Good old Crusher.. thought I heard Bridges somewhere in the mist…
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March 13, 2018 8:34pm
EAD_TWO

Keeping in the tribe – Goyim need not apply:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/03/the-new-goldman-ceo-is-one-woke-dude

On Monday morning, the news broke that Goldman Sachs would be elevating David Solomon to become the sole president of the nearly 150-year old investment bank, paving his way to succeed Lloyd Blankfein as C.E.O., (at some point) and concluding a horse race that has consumed Wall Street for more than year. First, in January 2017, Gary Cohn decided to leave his longtime perch as Blankfein’s wingman to become Donald Trump’s director of the National Economic Council; then Goldman promoted both Solomon and Harvey Schwartz as co-presidents to succeed Cohn

No room for the Smith’s, Jones’s, Williams’s or Carter’s of this world.

If this were White People so blatantly monopolising the top of the Corporate Tree (even with an 85% representation in the professions), the MSM would be screaming blue murder and about the need for “diversity”
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March 13, 2018 8:37pm
- mikenmild
  
  They look as ‘white’ as Sir Tipene O’Regan to me, so wtf are you on about, or on?
  
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  March 13, 2018 8:51pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Long time no see Milkmaid – where ya been hiding out?
    
    There is a tendency amongst Jews to identify as “Whites” when it comes to spouting critical theory against Whites but then they flip to being an oppressed victim class at the hands of Whites. They seem to want the best of both worlds❗
    
    See below…..
    
    http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fellow-white-people-arent-you-jewish
    
    PS: Have you ever worked at a Global Investment Bank? Like the MSM & Advertising, the nepotism towards fellow tribe members has to be seen to be believed.
    
    You might “identify” as a left non binary cisgender Civil Servant but Jews identify as Jews and that’s pretty much it. It was the only way for them to survive as a distinct group despite millenia upon millenia living as a scattered diaspora of minorities across the globe.
    
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    March 13, 2018 9:23pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Not tired of bullshitting yet?
      Haven’t you got ‘clients’ to tend to who might be starting to doubt the wisdom of stockpiling guns, gold and tinned food?
      
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      March 13, 2018 9:30pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Kimbo:
        
        Note that EAD commented at 8.37pm, then Mikenmild responded at 8.51pm. Then EAD at 9.23pm and Mikenmild at 9.30pm. Both outside the 4-minute benchmark – Mikenmild’s standards of responsiveness are slipping!
        
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        March 13, 2018 10:10pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Nostradamus
        
        8:37pm…8:51pm…9:23pm…9:30pm
        
        You trust the ((((time))))?! ?
        
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        March 13, 2018 10:21pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Kimbo:
        
        I trust the Jewish clock – 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of darkness!
        
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        March 13, 2018 10:24pm
      - Kimbo
        
        He did an inaccurate job of reporting it. The new day does not start at 6am, but 6pm. Hence, according to Genesis, when God created the (solid dome) heavens and the (flat disk) earth over the course of six days, the order of the description at the end of each day is
        
        …and it was evening, and it was morning morning, Day One…Two…Three, etc.
        
        But I’m sure theological giants such as nasska and yourself already knew that.
        
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        March 13, 2018 10:38pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Kimbo:
        
        theological giants such as nasska and yourself
        
        I’m not sure if I can keep up this pretense, so you’d better hurry up and add me to your kick-ass pub quiz team!
        
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        March 13, 2018 10:46pm
    - Kimbo
      
      They seem to want the best of both worlds
      
      Like how facists want freedom of speech and the legal right to propagate political ideas…until they gain power.
      
      Or initiate wars of aggression…and then cry like little bitches that they are victims when their arse gets kicked.
      
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      March 13, 2018 9:35pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Surely ‘modern’ National Socialists like EAdolf would be such crybabies.
        
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        March 13, 2018 9:45pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Like how facists want freedom of speech and the legal right to propagate political ideas…until they gain power.
        
        Or initiate wars of aggression…
        
        You’re version of history is interesting to say the least!
        
        I note you had to use the …. about the wars of aggression as you probably know WWII was one of pre-emptive self defence – even more so than the 6 day war.
        
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        March 13, 2018 9:49pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yeah, that international Jewish plot that Hitler warned them in early 1939 would result in their eternal destruction, that forced the Nazis to pre-emptively invade Poland, then later their non-aggression pact partner the USSR, and also declare war on the USA…but despite that warning and all those preemptive wars…nah, the Holocaust never happened. ?
        
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        March 13, 2018 9:58pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Or bait Jews and foment pogroms, but grizzle “Purimfest!”, and “the Jews will hang you too one day!”* when they are dragged kicking and screaming to the gallows.
      
      * the last words of one of EAD’s heroes, Nuremberg war criminal and Der Sturmer editor, Julius Streicher.
      
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      March 13, 2018 9:46pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        We might not be “hung” – but mass 3rd world immigration will destroy us with more finality than guns ever will.
        
        https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/census-reveals-white-britons-as-minority-in-capital-for-first-time-8405998.html
        
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        March 13, 2018 9:58pm
      - Kimbo
        
        mass 3rd world immigration
        
        Hey, I see what you did there, a (Jew) bait and switch…
        
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        March 13, 2018 10:06pm
RF

Has the creature running the standard run out of his blue erection tablets.

He is pumping up his testosterone by a wholesale banning of those who dare disagree with him.

The mouse that roared.
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- Nostradamus
  
  RF:
  
  Lprent likes waving his long ban stick because it makes him feel better about having a micro-penis!
  
  Just the usual – anyone doing troll like comments with fake ‘questions’ that are assertions, false assertions of fact, and trying to just smear with trigger meme words without stating the basis for the opinion underlying it.
  
  Quite noticeable how fast the dialogue improved as I started to massively over-react to repeated attempts with increasing ban lengths. I don’t care what anyone says. I still think that even internet trolls can learn if encouraged…
  
  I am now reduced to informing people about the legal limitations
  
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  March 13, 2018 9:55pm
  - niggly
    
    Good grief is the LPrent Idiot now defending sexual predators … to ensure Brand Labour doesn’t get damaged?
    
    It goes well over his head doesn’t it?!!!
    
    (He just reinforces Labour were covering it up/have something to hide/make that both)!
    
    Poor b’stard must be worn out re-arranging chairs on the sinking Labour Titanic ship, no wonder why he is so grumpy!
    
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    March 13, 2018 10:53pm
Jack5

China has put limits on foreigner numbers in restaurants in the student area in northern Beijing.

Police are checking to ensure student hang-outs are limited to containing no more than 10 foreigners at a time.

The clampdown is ahead of the annual “Two Sessions” political gathering of the National People’s Congress in Beijing. It is being attended by more than 3,000 members of the Chinese Communist Party.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2136879/beijing-police-order-limit-foreigners-university
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