General Debate 11 March 2018

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jims_whare

I’m guessing someone wanted a sleep-in today.
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March 11, 2018 12:06am
Sarkozygroupie

Did anyone notice how TV1 erased the PM’s facial reaction, when she was told Trump was going to meet with Kim Jong Un, on the 6pm news tonight?

Last night on the late news they showed her completely taken aback with downturned mouth, looking highly unprofessional and un-Prime Ministerial.

Either her PR machine told TVNZ to remove the offending facial expression or the media took it upon themselves to try to save her from embarrassing herself further on national television.

TVNZ need to explain why they manipulated a news item.

Either way it just shows the NZ media are manipulating news reporting to suit their own left wing political agenda.
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March 11, 2018 12:28am
- CHFR1
  
  You have to wonder but I am guessing someone in the media will have taken this upon themselves. You find when the left are in power the media will do anything they can to help them out. The funny thing is this eventually backfires on them and the politician concerned (think Helen Clark’s last term) as the public eventually realise that just like the rest of us they make mistakes but they are not being shown them.
  I have said from the start even with H1 and H2’s assistance our current PM is no H1 and the problems will become more and more apparent and even the media will not be able to paper over the cracks.
  
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  March 11, 2018 6:53am
  - KiWombat
    
    More to the point is that they broke away from the initial video – then returned when she had regained her composure and applied make up. Wasn’t ready to have a camera poked in her face at the time !
    
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    March 11, 2018 7:46am
    - niggly
      
      Talk about caught like a possum in the headlights. Here’s a screenshot from the initial video (hat tip, a WO commentator), I’m intrigued as to how one manages to pull a face like that???
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7501f58f6d3ecc529c021fedc170e42a8ae0b7d09f0c3967b359c3fccaf7efd0.jpg
      
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      March 11, 2018 10:50am
      - milkmaid
        
        Heh, I sense a meme competition coming up.
        
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        March 11, 2018 11:58am
      - RF
        
        Beautiful screen saver……
        
        Instant cure for a hangover.
        
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        March 11, 2018 3:55pm
      - matchbox
        
        Go to 2.20 minutes at link below:
        
        Note in addition to the shocked look, the added makeup and change of top clothing, all made to look spontaneous by TVNZ.
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/shows/one-news-tonight/episodes/s2018-e35
        
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        March 11, 2018 11:02pm
- eszett
  
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  Oh look, here it is, on the one news site. At 1:25 if you don’t want to go the whole thing.
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/trump-tweets-north-korea-deal-very-much-in-making?auto=5748805613001
  
  Wow, what a conspiracy theory, TVNZ and the Labour party really need to explain this one. Scandal. Heads must roll.
  
  And finally: This facial expression get’s your knickers in such a twist?
  
  You are truly bad at making shit up, mate.
  
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  March 11, 2018 6:55am
  - CHFR1
    
    Scandal or not at 37 years of age she should never use that facial expression, hell I tell my 12 year old it looks like something a little kid would do.
    She just looks stupid, you may hate Trump but as PM of NZ you will have to deal with him at some stage.
    
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    March 11, 2018 7:01am
    - eszett
      
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      LOL, I really have to laugh.
      This is your criticism?
      
      You guysare truly desperate to find something.
      
      Next up:
      
      Her eyeshades are the wrong colour and contain hidden illuminati messages.
      
      Maybe we should name this JADS: The Jacinda Ardern Derangement Syndrome
      
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      March 11, 2018 7:21am
      - CHFR1
        
        No criticism just an observation of a less than professional facial expression.
        
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        March 11, 2018 7:35am
      - Que Sera Sera
        
        CHFR1
        Like when J Key told just another one of his many porkies.
        His facial expressions gave him away every time.
        
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        March 11, 2018 9:59am
      - sooty
        
        He left how long ago?
        
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        March 11, 2018 12:02pm
      - Que Sera Sera
        
        sooty.
        Not long enough, bro
        
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        March 11, 2018 2:41pm
    - milkmaid
      
      This one? https://ibb.co/mfv7Hn
      
      My parents would have warned me that the wind might change.
      
      It kind of begs for a caption, doesn’t it?
      
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      March 11, 2018 8:16am
    - artemisia
      
      Steel and aluminium exports?
      
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      March 11, 2018 9:08am
    - dime
      
      She’s fucking odd.
      
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      March 11, 2018 9:16am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        And fucking old.
        
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        March 11, 2018 1:33pm
    - wombatge
      
      President Trump really doesn’t give a hoot what anyone thinks, that has become very clear.
      He doesn’t suffer fools, he will state his case clearly like it or not.
      Ms Ardern and Mr Trump are from very different worlds.
      When you have a PM that is asked a question, has to go off and get her face plastered, get someone to assist her with an answer, have someone point out she needs to do up her jumper or top.
      It would really be the same as sending a child off to meet Donald and the outcome will be the same.
      I better be politically correct,
      “Don’t send a girl off to do woman’s work.”
      
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      March 11, 2018 10:56am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Well your poor grammar most certainly ‘get’s (sic) my knickers in such a twist’, eszett.
    
    Media manipulation does also. But it’s ok by you when the left does it, eh!
    
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    March 11, 2018 7:36am
  - cmm
    
    I certainly don’t mind what someone chooses to do and wear in their private life, however…
    
    If you’re a Prime Minister, especially when doing things in your official capacity, then how you portray yourself is important.
    
    One might expect this to be understood by someone who got an A in PR at Uni.
    
    But Jacinda dresses link a skank. (Bra on show with a low-cut dress? Really? https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/l/8/o/a/j/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620×349.1li7yo.png/1504738988018.jpg). Add to that her silly boots and photo-ops with Aussies in slippers.
    
    She is also representing us internationally and, being a communications major, she will know that facial frowns etc are often a stronger form of communication than the actual words you use, especially with non-Anglo cultures.
    
    Her communications skills (including her lack of composure) are lacking. And, again, you would expect better self-awareness from a star communications graduate.
    
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    March 11, 2018 8:26am
    - dime
      
      She can do earnest well.
      
      She just cares so much it hurts
      
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      March 11, 2018 9:17am
      - Lance
        
        earnest in front of primary school children
        
        That’s about Cindy’s limit
        
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        March 11, 2018 10:13am
  - DigNap15
    
    If that had been Don Brash or any other National leader TVNZ would have played it in full and repeated it ad nauseum
    
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    March 11, 2018 9:42am
- peterwn
  
  You most remember the Golden Rule ‘She who has the gold makes the rules’. Rob Muldoon threatened the state TV news team with budget cuts. With Helen or Jacinda they just know what is expected.
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:32am
- stephieboy
  
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  The PM through the filtered eyes and other senses of KB posters biases and prejudices !
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:37am
  - calendar girl
    
    …… from KB’s champion poster of biases and prejudices. Ironic.
    
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    March 11, 2018 9:57am
- Simon
  
  Arden might suffers from flat affect.
  
  Many people suspect she has issues. MSM will be shielding her.
  
  Hope she gets the help she needs.
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I very much doubt that she suffers from flat affect.
    
    She is effusive and engaging in positive company.
    She can hold her own in debate/interviews…. and is usually pleonastic.
    
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    March 11, 2018 10:08am
- Inandout
  
  I haven’t watched TV news for ages so it is good that someone on here watches and observes. I am normally enjoying what is left of daylight saving/s, and in winter will be on the streamed channels. I do so love modern technology.
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:14am
- Duxton
  
  I am thinking of sending the link to Fox News. I am sure the Don will be very impressed – particularly when we are about to have to beg for the same exemption on steel tariffs that he has given Malcolm Turnbull.
  
  Good times!
  
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  March 11, 2018 3:49pm
oldgolfer

Confirming the suspicion of most that One news is a joke.
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March 11, 2018 5:56am
- gorse
  
  Gave up watching it during the election, it was so biased it insulted my intelligence.
  
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  March 11, 2018 7:45am
  - Lance
    
    Have to say they have actually got worse since the election.
    Every item presented on a Labour event uses positive language and patsy questions.
    Every item on National the most negative angle possible is presented with unfair comparisons and nasty comments thrown in.
    I keep wondering to myself if the NZ public is actually that bloody stupid as to swallow this shit?
    
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    March 11, 2018 10:18am
- stephieboy
  
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  old golfer , confirming the suspicion that many KB posters are nothing but a bunch of paranoid bores !
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:40am
  - Viking2
    
    Well piss off and stop reading here if we are boring.
    We don’t like you either.
    
    Leave while you are ahead.
    
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    March 11, 2018 8:51am
    - igm
      
      Make sure he takes his rug pilot mates with him . . . he is a lowlife.
      
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      March 11, 2018 5:27pm
  - sooty
    
    You really have to step up your game stephieboy. If you are to take over as the main troll here. Surely, you can do better than that. Put some thought in to it, use your imagination. I know it’s hard, seen as English is not your first language.
    
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    March 11, 2018 8:56am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      KB has high standards, so we will have to form a committee to deliberate stephieboy’s nomination for “Head Troll.”
      In due course the committee will require the candidate to submit documentation to support their nomination.
      
      Blah.
      Blah.
      Blah.
      
      //
      
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      March 11, 2018 9:46am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Applications are invited for Head Troll:
        A conversation will have to be had, then an inquiry set up to set specific targets and breadth of comments to show knowledge expected for “Head Troll.” Names of those interested will need to be assessed, advertised and finally appointed. However, any decision will be deferred until after the 2020 election as pressure would otherwise be applied to those contributing to said inquiry.
        
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        March 11, 2018 10:18am
      - holysheet
        
        Don’t forget they need to give their religion and gender. You cannot discriminate against anyone these days.
        
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        March 11, 2018 10:20am
  - Inandout
    
    Yes, go away boring stephie thing.
    
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    March 11, 2018 9:16am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Tell us why you are here then, stephieboy?
    
    What do you find so appealing about these paranoid old bores that you are here all day, every day trying to engage with them?
    
    Could it be their wealth of knowledge or their sharp wit that appeals?
    
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    March 11, 2018 10:17am
    - stephieboy
      
      MW, to give my understanding and version of the truth .
      
      Don’t you find this whinging and whimpering on about Jacinda boring and tiresome ?
      
      Little toddlers stuff .
      
      If not , why not ?
      
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      March 11, 2018 1:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I find all personality politics tiresome.
        Some folks just can’t analyse issues without trying to have a crack at someone.
        
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        March 11, 2018 2:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘ my understanding and version of the truth .’
        That’s just hilarious Ralph. The reason everyone calls you Stoopidboy and KBs Dumbest Commentator is because you are continuously shown up to be ignorant and wrong.
        You’re like the bad smell in a room.
        Hey, is that why they swing that tin can of incense at St Albans Church when they walk in?
        
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        March 11, 2018 2:29pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW ,like Jacinda ?
        
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        March 11, 2018 2:32pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Would you look at that – they must have air-conditioning in Hades – I agree with SB.
        The whimpering over Jacinda is incredibly boring.
        
        Makes us all wonder why MSM, the Herald, Stuff and TV One in particular cluck on about her so much and give her a free ride rather than call her to account.
        
        This baby business is particularly irksome.
        Anyone would think Ardern is the first woman in history to have a baby and to combine parenthood and career.
        
        The Women’s Weekly-style pffaff coming from supposedly serious news organisations is an insult to women who have been doing just that for years.
        Anyone remember Richardson and Tirikatene-Sullivan?
        
        And if gender distinctions aren’t allowed why is no one wittering about any of the fathers who are juggling Ministerial roles with a young family?
        
        Aren’t we striving for gender equaliddy? Or not?
        
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        March 11, 2018 2:33pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Al on Wed , anything to add too stupid Obama Conspiracy theories ? ,
        
        http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/page/ct-perspec-page-obama-conspiracy-theories-20171013-story.html
        
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        March 11, 2018 2:36pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No Ralph/Stephie
        I’ll leave the ‘Little toddlers stuff’ to dummies like you
        
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        March 11, 2018 2:40pm
  - VicParking
    
    Morning Stephie.
    رأس دماغ كبير (ras damagh kabir)
    
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    March 11, 2018 10:50am
- Harkman
  
  “And the 2018 Academy Award for Best Editing goes to………One News, New Zealand. For editing out 14 minutes from the make-up room in a propaganda spin-piece.”
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:28am
  - stephieboy
    
    harkman , which” propaganda “piece ?
    
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    March 11, 2018 2:19pm
MrLovebucket

I see we are going to ask for an exception to the US trade tariffs.
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March 11, 2018 6:32am
- KiWombat
  
  Are we going to ask – or just expect it to flow from the agreement to exempt Australia ?
  
  The outcome will be interesting. It will indicate where the US sees us in the pecking order. It will also indicate a level of trust !
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:18am
  - holysheet
    
    Wouldn’t it be karma for the Aussies if they got an exemption and we didn’t.
    
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    March 11, 2018 8:31am
    - KevOB
      
      We insulted the USA by our nuke free policies. State departments have long memories.
      
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      March 11, 2018 9:24am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        We also insulted the ‘not-so-orange’ POTUS.
        
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        March 11, 2018 2:35pm
    - DigNap15
      
      Thats because Australia has been a true friend and ally of the USA since WW2.
      
      We have not and are not.
      
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      March 11, 2018 9:37am
      - marcw
        
        Aussie have a credible and effective Defence Force. NZ … well would you count 3 frigates, 8 (sometimes) serviceable NH90’s, and 100 (with more than 50 in storage) LAV’s, and not a fighter jet to be seen outside Warbirds as a Defence Force? Hardly. This is why the US and Australia are strong allies – they pull their weight. All we contribute is a very competent and well trained but small SAS force.
        
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        March 11, 2018 10:08am
      - MCos
        
        MZ has swallowed a lot of dead rats over the years to keeps on side with America.
        Most notably being one of the very few countries that sent troops to aid South Vietnam.
        Once in a while we have resisted America’s pressure such as the nuclear shop issue & Iraq.
        Let’s see how America values the relationship.
        BTW
        We also sent substantial support to the UK in two world wars. Didn’t count for a bag of beans when they joined the ECC
        
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        March 11, 2018 10:54am
      - stephieboy
        
        marcw, if we want a credible defence force how do we pay for it ?
        
        Tax cuts ?
        
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        March 11, 2018 1:44pm
      - KiWombat
        
        The money just sprayed around the Pacific could have bolstered our defence force by 6-700 – that would be a good start !
        
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        March 11, 2018 11:09pm
    - GazzaW
      
      It’s great that the Aussies have an exemption for aluminium given that Meridian power is used to produce Australian aluminium at Tiwai Point. The Government owns 51% of Meridian Energy and will benefit from the dividends as will the Kiwis who were astute enough to purchase Meridian shares at the time of semi-privatisation.
      
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      March 11, 2018 9:51am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The NZ PM Select insulting the President of the USA by referring to him as “not as orange” may come back and bite her. Cindy needs to learn lack of diplomacy (or just general politeness) has repercussions for the NZ economy.
    
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    March 11, 2018 9:11am
- Piniwi
  
  But MrLovebucket is in safe hands as the approach is being made by the previous Trade Minister who completed the TPPA negotiations.
  IMO Donald Trump has a twofold target with his tariffs on steel and aluminium. Keeping yet another election promise while setting a baseline and a negotiation tool for trade agreements.
  
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  March 11, 2018 4:51pm
CHFR1

To those who question our current PM’s choice of slipper like footwear I am guessing she is wearing a pair of AllBirds wool loungers. Now I love these shoes and they are the most comfortable shoes I own but even I am aware that there are situations where these are just not appropriate and that situation is anywhere beyond 20 meters from my front door.
She is our PM whether we like it or not for the next 3 years so it is now time for someone in the Labour ranks to take her aside, make her over and make her look serious on the international stage.
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March 11, 2018 6:58am
- Nukuleka
  
  By telling her that being an unmarried mother feeding from the public tit is also not a good international look?
  
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  March 11, 2018 7:38am
  - igm
    
    But that is the Labour way . . . leeching, self-entitlement, and breeding for income.
    
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    March 11, 2018 7:52am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Nukuleka , Grow up . Who on the international scene actually cares .
    
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    March 11, 2018 8:44am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “Who on the international scene actually cares”. Many, including extremists who would have her stoned for being an unmarried mother.
      
      This is one thing I hope she stays strong on: in NZ an unmarried couple has the same rights.
      
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      March 11, 2018 9:52am
- MCos
  
  When it comes to scandals NZ is right up there with the worst of them.
  
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  March 11, 2018 7:53am
- stephieboy
  
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  CHDR1, nor who out there in the real world actually cares ?
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:42am
- Manolo
  
  Honestly, when it comes to shoes comrade PM Ardern has no taste whatsoever. A hillbilly would dress better.
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:48am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Manolo , of course ,you would know !
    
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    March 11, 2018 9:09am
    - Manolo
      
      Of course, I do. I’m a shoe designer of some repute!
      
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      March 11, 2018 10:16am
    - VicParking
      
      Morning Stephie
      ras damagh kabir
      
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      March 11, 2018 10:53am
  - stigie
    
    Please don’t talk about Nasska like that, i won’t have it !~
    
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    March 11, 2018 9:37am
  - Paulus
    
    Whadda ya mean – she is a Hillybilly !
    
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    March 11, 2018 1:40pm
  - RF
    
    Granny from Beverley Hillbillies.
    
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    March 11, 2018 4:16pm
- dubya
  
  ‘someone in the Labour ranks’ to give her a makeover?! Good god. Who do you propose? Curran? Woods? Mahuta?
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:52am
  - marcw
    
    Dyson?
    
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    March 11, 2018 10:11am
  - VicParking
    
    Robbo of course
    
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    March 11, 2018 10:54am
    - sooty
      
      She will look lovely in a twinset and pearls.
      
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      March 11, 2018 12:06pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

Things that make me happy. United beating the scousers at Anfield. United beating the scousers at Old Trafford. At long last a win over the dippers. I was getting tired of those draws against the scousers. Now on to beat the blue bottles. Glory, glory Man United. The Reds go marching on.
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March 11, 2018 8:06am
Viking2

Well I was, going to start the day saying how nice it is again.
Seems superfluous already.
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March 11, 2018 8:07am
Viking2

shall we start again?
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March 11, 2018 8:08am
Viking2

ok then.
Morning everyone. Nice day in the bay today.

Hurricanes approaching to get people excited.
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March 11, 2018 8:09am
Viking2

OH yes the Crusaders got done by the Hurricanes.
The warriors won. OMG
It’s got to be a good week.
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March 11, 2018 8:10am
- Gravelroad
  
  Only if Tiger wins the golf.
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:14am
- stigie
  
  Yep, the Warriors won in Perth. A big road trip as well, the first time in 22 years. They looked like a team on a mission. Hope this is their year !~
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:41am
  - Colville
    
    and Ireland has won the six nations and on track for a Grand Slam…. poor Eddie Jones….oh dear how sad never mind 🙂
    
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    March 11, 2018 9:57am
    - VicParking
      
      And Liverpool lost.
      
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      March 11, 2018 10:55am
- RF
  
  Yay. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!’
  
  Go the Canes….
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:31pm
Viking2

Hooton and Heather du pee , have lined up against Simon.
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March 11, 2018 8:11am
- Gravelroad
  
  Both these two hunt with the hounds and run with the hares.
  Hooton in particular.
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:20am
  - lifesgood
    
    I so wish National Radio would not say that lefty Hooton was from the right. He makes it clear time and time again he is anti right and pro left. About time Red radio got someone really from the right as a commentator but I guess they are afraid of what such a person might say, because, shock, horror, they might criticise the toothy one.
    
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    March 11, 2018 3:00pm
holysheet

Question asked on Quora
https://www.quora.com/
Who were the most barbaric colonizers in the history?

The Maori of New Zealand.
In 1835, two Maori tribes from the Taranaki district, the Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama, decided to colonise the Chatham Islands, which they called Wharekauri in their own language. They acquired a pair of ships, assembled 900 warriors and enough supplies to plant crops and settle, and set off.
The Chatham Islands were already inhabited by the Moriori people, who numbered around 2,000 in total. When they arrived, the Maori kidnapped a 12-year old girl, cut her to pieces, and hung her various body parts from the trees as an official declaration of war on the Moriori.
The Moriori, however, isolated on their island, had no tradition of warfare and held a moral code that frowned on violence. They decided not to fight the Maori invaders, but to use passive resistance and non-violence. It might have worked for Gandhi, but it didn’t work against the Maori.
Frustrated of an honourable fight, the Maori warriors simply walked into the Moriori villages and started slaughtering people indiscriminately—men, women and children alike. Those who ran away were hunted down, hauled out of their hiding places, and killed.
The Maori then ritually cooked and ate some of the people they’d killed.
Next, they took about 200 women and children they’d captured alive, took them down to the beach, and staked them out on the sand to die. Those children and women lingered several days before they perished of thirst and exposure.
After several days of murder, cannibalism, and ritual torture, the Maori decided they’d won. They took all the women who were still alive and old enough to be raped, and shared them out between themselves. The Moriori men who’d survived the massacre were simply enslaved.
The Maori did not allow their male Moriori slaves to marry or have children. Within 30 years, 95% of the Moriori people were dead. Today, there are none left—apart from those people of mixed Maori-Moriori ancestry descended from the women taken as sex slaves.
There have been larger genocides, it’s true. But few of them ever attained the comprehensive scale, in terms of the proportion of the people deliberately killed, of this one. And since the Taranaki Maori didn’t establish all that many colonies, their record, in percentage terms, has to be the most barbaric of all.
Sources:
Journal of the Polynesian Society: The Occupation Of The Chatham Islands By The Maoris In 1835: Part II
Tribe wins justice over 1835 massacre
and, of course, Wikipedia:
Moriori – Wikipedia Chatham Islands – Wikipedia
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March 11, 2018 8:13am
- cmm
  
  My initial reaction was that the Bantu people colonising Southern Africa and taking over from the Koi San would be worse., but I only made it about halfway through before realising the Maori were the winners.
  
  A question I have is why the Maori people actually left their original islands and came to NZ.
  
  Based on looking at colonisation elsewhere, it seems there are two possible reasons:
  
  A) A few waka loads of highly adventurous and motivated people were disenchanted with their life and chose to travel to faraway lands to seek something better. We could call this the American Settler model.
  
  B) The worst reprobates and criminals on the islands were banished and sent away and told to find somewhere else to live. We could call that the Aussie Criminal model.
  
  Possibly a mix of the two. eg. Aussie was both settled by people looking for a new place to live as well as criminals being banished.
  
  Genuine question. Anyone got answers?
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:42am
  - KevOB
    
    Polynesians did banish criminals to other islands.
    
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    March 11, 2018 9:29am
- stephieboy
  
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  Tragic as it was the Moriori were like the Maori Polynesian
  
  BTW who wrote the item ?
  
  I think this kind of colonial genocide was hard to beat ,
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_reads/belgiums-genocidal-colonial-legacy-haunts-the-country-s-future-a7984191.html
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:47am
  - cmm
    
    Genocide is the deliberate and systematic killing of people.
    
    I’ll grant you that the Belgian colonialism in Africa was barbaric, but most of the people that died during that period dies from disease etc. Some of those diseases (eg. smallpox) might have been nasty collateral damage from colonisation, but it would be a stretch to chalk those up on the genocide scoreboard.
    
    There are numbers like 10 million deaths bandied about, I doubt the number of deliberate killings by Belgians is anything like that.
    
    This is all a good reminder that if you get the opportunity to choose your colonizer, then choose the best. Choose the Brits.
    
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    March 11, 2018 8:58am
    - GoVege
      
      Didn’t the Belgians chop people’s arms off if they didn’t work fast enough?
      Like that monster in Liberia?
      
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      March 11, 2018 2:08pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    BTW who wrote the item ?
    Alexander Shand
    https://teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/2s16/shand-alexander
    
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    March 11, 2018 2:15pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “Perhaps more valuable was his assertion – largely overlooked until recently – that the Moriori were not a pre-Polynesian people who had been driven to the Chatham Islands by the invading Maori, but were themselves a Polynesian race who had settled the islands long before the Maori reached New Zealand. Now that this conclusion has been vindicated by research, Shand’s place as a New Zealand ethnographer seems secure.”
      
      That they arrived before the Maori is debatable . ?
      
      The Moriori are culturally Polynesian. They developed a distinct Moriori culture in the Chatham Islands as they adapted to local conditions. Although speculation once suggested that they settled the Chatham Islands directly from the tropical Polynesian islands, or even that they were Melanesian in origin, current research indicates that ancestral Moriori were Māori Polynesians who emigrated to the Chatham Islands from mainland New Zealand around 1500 AD.[7][8][9][10]
      
      Evidence supporting this theory comes from the characteristics that the Moriori language has in common with the dialect of Māori spoken by the Ngāi Tahu tribe of the South Island, and comparisons of the genealogies of Moriori (“hokopapa”) and Māori (“whakapapa”). Prevailing wind patterns in the southern Pacific add to the speculation that the Chatham Islands were the last part of the Pacific to be settled during the period of Polynesian discovery and colonisation.[7][10] The word Moriori derives from Proto-Polynesian *ma(a)qoli, which has the reconstructed meaning “true, real, genuine”. It is cognate with the Māori language word Māori[11] and likely also had the meaning “(ordinary) people”.
      
      The earliest indication of human occupation of the Chathams, inferred from middens, is estimated to be between 1500 and 1550 AD.[a…”
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moriori
      
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      March 11, 2018 2:23pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Do archaeological finds at Chathams conform (sic.) this ?
        Not at all for the date.
        Settlement of Chathams occurred some 450 years ago.
        
        There is no doubt that the first settlers came from NZ.
        
        https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/03014223.1994.9517454#aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudGFuZGZvbmxpbmUuY29tL2RvaS9wZGYvMTAuMTA4MC8wMzAxNDIyMy4xOTk0Ljk1MTc0NTQ/bmVlZEFjY2Vzcz10cnVlQEBAMA==
        
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        March 11, 2018 2:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It is also possible that there was some direct colonisation from E. Polynesia, but this must have been at a later date than the colonisation of mainland NZ.
        
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        March 11, 2018 2:51pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Whataboutism again.
    
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    March 11, 2018 8:23pm
- Harkman
  
  This is also in Jared Diamond’s, “Guns, Germs and Steel.” A pretty complete genocide.
  
  Notice whenever there is something about NZ in a high profile piece of media our idiot media gush over it? But because this showed Maori in a horrendous Nazi-like light, absolutely nothing.
  
  Strangely the Moriori put in a Waitangi claim, not against te rauparaha’s tribe, but the white man. Go figure that one.
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:40am
  - GoVege
    
    I read that Moriori took a claim against Maori but they responded by saying they beat the Moriori through “conquest”.
    No remorse or apologies (or compensation ) there apparently.
    Perhaps the Pakeha should have done the same….
    
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    March 11, 2018 2:13pm
  - GoVege
    
    Who would want to know that their ancestors were capable of such savagery?
    
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    March 11, 2018 7:49pm
- Notsofast
  
  This guy Bruce Moon has plenty to say about this, and the hoax pronunciation and money squandering renaming Wanganui, but that later
  
  “When Europeans first arrived in New Zealand, Maoris were an aggressive warrior race, ready to attack for the slightest reason, as Tasman found out quickly to his cost.[1]
  
  This happened again when, just over a couple of years after Captain Cook, Marion du Fresne arrived off our shores. While fishing innocently in calm waters, as he thought, he broke a tapu unknown to him and his fate was sealed. He and 26 of his crew were massacred and eaten forthwith.[2] As Lieutenant Roux, one of Marion’s officers, noted in his diary, the chiefs “declare war upon the slightest pretext, which wars are very bloody; they generally kill any prisoners they may capture”.
  
  Not content with dispatching Marion, about 1500 tribesmen assembled to attack the hospital the French had set up on Moturua Island. Greatly out-numbered, the French defended themselves valiantly, using their firearms of course, and, with no further losses, killed about 250 of the attackers including many chiefs who were very conspicuous amongst them.”
  
  https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2015/02/bruce-moon-before-1840.html
  
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  March 11, 2018 10:07am
- GoVege
  
  Apparently females were preferred for food.
  Not only less stringy, but easier to catch I presume.
  Incredible how cruel humans can be.
  No wonder virtually all wild animals that have had contact with humans fear them.
  
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  March 11, 2018 7:47pm
holysheet

Phil Twitford staggers into A & E with a concussion, multiple bruises, and a five iron wrapped around his neck. Naturally the doctor asks him what happened. “Well, it was like this” said Twitford. “I was having a quiet round of golf with my wife Jo, when at a difficult hole, we both sliced our balls into a pasture of cows. We went to look for them, and while I was rooting around I noticed that one of the cows had something white in it’s rear end. I walked over and lifted up the tail, and sure enough, there was a golf ball with Jo’s monogram on it stuck right in the middle of the cow’s butt. Thats when I made my mistake.” “What did you do?”, asked the doctor. “Well, I lifted the tail, pointed, and yelled to Jo, “Hey! This looks like yours!”
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March 11, 2018 8:14am
- KiWombat
  
  To suggest that two Twitfords would make a wit is a pure insult to all halfwits !
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:30am
- cmm
  
  Fake story: they would not know that Twitty was concussed.
  
  He wouldn’t pass the concussion test even when he was not hit on the head.
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:00am
Happychappy

A great way to start the day with Man U winning and Tiger about to up the anti in the resurrection of his golfing greatness.
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March 11, 2018 8:19am
Humble Capitalist

So who actually voted this Tonga First party in?
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March 11, 2018 8:19am
- igm
  
  Envious losers.
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:46am
- MCos
  
  After Fiji was struck by Cyclone Winston in 2016 NZ also gave those people ten million dollars.
  We also sent two million to the US via Red Cross in the wake of Hurricane Katrina.
  Red Cross spent forty four million immediately after the the 2011 Chch earthquake.
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:07am
  - dime
    
    In 1972 a crack commando unit was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn’t commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade to the Los Angeles underground. Today, still wanted by the government, they survive as soldiers of fortune. If you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the A-Team.
    
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    March 11, 2018 9:22am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      ??? nice work Dime
      
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      March 11, 2018 2:11pm
Manolo

Will he last?
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/tillerson-told-kim-meeting-trumps-announcement/

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said today during his Africa trip that he spoke with President Trump on his decision to meet with North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un after it was announced by South Korean officials and the administration.
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March 11, 2018 8:45am
- MCos
  
  Tillerson was told about the meeting with North Korea after Trump’s announcement
  “I spoke to him very early this morning about that decision and we had a good conversation.”
  That would be the ultimate in diplomatspeak.
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:54am
sooty

Has Bill Andertons estate been settled yet. How much money did he leave to rebuild the Christchurch cathedral?
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March 11, 2018 9:16am
- MCos
  
  I take it you are referring to ‘Jim’ not the trade union leader Bill Anderson?
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:19am
  - Inandout
    
    Union Bill lived in Glen Innes and didn’t have two roubles to rub together.
    
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    March 11, 2018 9:31am
    - sooty
      
      Yes. My mistake. I remembered while out with the dog.
      
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      March 11, 2018 9:57am
- holysheet
  
  What these lefties using their own money?
  Its ALL WAYS other peoples money with these fuckwits.
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:34am
  - sooty
    
    Because, they have bugger all of their own.
    
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    March 11, 2018 9:59am
    - igm
      
      They are too lazy to have anything of their own . . . those rich pricks should provide it. After all, the left way is to live a life of self-entitlement, for as little input as possible.
      
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      March 11, 2018 10:19am
  - GoVege
    
    Don’t be silly, holy.
    If the workers were paid decent wages, we wouldn’t have so many bludgers lounging around on the benny.
    
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    March 11, 2018 2:25pm
- Harkman
  
  Well nothing of course. It’s socialism for you and your family but millions for his family. Why would Anderton bequeath money when the taxpayer can foot the bill. Or so the mentality of a Marxist arsehole goes.
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:44am
  - GoVege
    
    Was Jim a Marxist?
    I thought he was Catholic!
    
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    March 11, 2018 2:26pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Lapsed Catholic. Strong to start with then gave it away.
      
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      March 11, 2018 3:03pm
      - sooty
        
        Born again as a want to be Anglican. Going by the amount of shit he was chucking at the church.
        
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        March 11, 2018 8:46pm
DigNap15

Jacinda Adern never looks prime ministerial.
She is an embarrassment to NZ.

I cant believe that 30 something percent of kiwis voted for her.
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March 11, 2018 9:41am
- igm
  
  Just remember she is there by deception . . . not election. She seems to think parading a bulge of illegitimacy is something to behold . . . for a person in her position it is a disgrace.
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:44am
  - GoVege
    
    Nah, Dignap.
    Jacinda is the Diana of politics.
    The down to earth, friendly, young people’s politician.
    You’ll get used to her. 🙂
    
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    March 11, 2018 2:19pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Are you crazy, GoVege? Some people have standards.
      
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      March 11, 2018 3:04pm
- Harkman
  
  Exactly, there have been past PMs who I haven’t liked but I’ve had to moan and accept. But Cindy is just so ridiculous, just such an Airhead, just far too inexperienced and out of her depth. A sad joke.
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:50am
- Rich Prick
  
  The Pacific Islanders love her though, she’d score 80% of their vote now. Remind me, per capita, how much did Daddy’s island get?
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:58am
  - lifesgood
    
    Labour has always scored most islanders’ votes. I doubt distributing our money with gay abandon would make any difference.
    
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    March 11, 2018 3:05pm
  - RF
    
    Rich Prick
    
    Too bloody much but not a squeak from the MSM.
    
    Sounds like Nepotism to me.
    
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    March 11, 2018 4:28pm
- GoVege
  
  Nah, Dignap.
  Jacinda is the Diana of politics.
  The down to earth, friendly, young people’s politician.
  You’ll get used to her. 🙂
  
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  March 11, 2018 2:18pm
Albert_Ross

Getting increasingly hacked off with people who mindlessly and smugly parrot “no one owns water ” as if that settled the matter.

Ownership determines who has the right to sell, restrict access to, consume, make use of, convert or sacrifice in exchange for something else. It determines who is responsible for its care, for fixing it if it is damaged, for making sure that it does not damage other people or their property, for liability if it does.

Now in the case of water. Do you really think that “no one” is a satisfactory answer to /any/ of those questions? What questions /do/ you think “no one owns water” actually resolves?
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March 11, 2018 10:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’m sure we are going to find out in the not too distant future who owns water.
  
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  March 11, 2018 10:26am
- G152
  
  Who ever ‘owns’ water has got one hell of a bill coming to replace all the fencing that has been washed away, the damage flooding has done to all the affected houses and the repairs to roads and bridges.
  
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  March 11, 2018 10:55am
Manolo

Our Muslim apologist has a counterpart in the United States. Isn’t it lovely?
https://pagesix.com/2018/03/09/ex-times-editor-jill-abramson-carries-an-obama-doll-in-her-purse/

Former New York Times executive editor Jill Abramson revealed, in an opinion piece this week about the 2020 election, a bizarre superstition.

For the Guardian, Abramson — who famously has a Times-inspired tattoo — wrote, “It’s easy to look at what’s happening in Washington, DC, and despair. That’s why I carry a little plastic Obama doll in my purse. I pull him out every now and then to remind myself that the United States had a progressive, African-American president until very recently.

Some people find this strange, but you have to take comfort where you can find it in Donald Trump’s America.”
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March 11, 2018 10:19am
- Inandout
  
  That Jill (what is it with these LibJews?) looks as though she may use the doll for other than ‘lucky charm’ purposes. If anyone wants to see a smart US Jew then check out Mark Levin on Fox.
  
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  March 11, 2018 10:50am
Harkman

Robo is already preparing for a collapse of the economy by focusing on other things.
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March 11, 2018 10:21am
- Harkman
  
  Why has Q&A got 2 lefties on their 3 person panel? Why did National not shit-can the funding for these leftist shows?
  
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  March 11, 2018 10:24am
  - DigNap15
    
    Because they could not find a suitable intelligent third leftie panelist!
    
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    March 11, 2018 11:27am
UpandComer

http://voxday.blogspot.com.au/2018/03/nationalists-detained.html?m=1

The UK is a “”police state””.

You can go to prison for 15 years in England if you read Breitbart. You can’t own a pointy spoon.

But their vibrants can rape any white kid they like for as long as they like and nothing happens.

The Globalists own Britain now and the disarmed population can’t do a thing. The UK political class are so disgusting. Fuck it, enrich Britain until the beauty acid, freedom rapes and trucks of peace are making their way through Nottingham and the Palace quadrant. I hope Corbyn does win and destroys the economy and ejects forces the globalists into the light.

People like me could be doxxed and detained in Britain for talking about Rotherham and the great replacement, or attacking the execrable BBC.

They are a police state, and no one can do anything. The Israel model is being exported everywhere, but with diversity.
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March 11, 2018 11:45am
UpandComer

And Britain detains young white folk for a speech they haven’t given whilst celebrating their commitment to free speech.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-10/hypocritical-motherfckers-assange-blasts-uk-government-remember-how-i-exposed-your

As if what they’ve done to their own people turning them into a tax farm for acid throwers isn’t a promotion of conflict.
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March 11, 2018 11:59am
- fernglas
  
  Detains young white folk……. Assange is 46
  For speeches they haven’t given…….. He has an arrest warrant for breaching bail in extradition proceedings for sexual violation.
  
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  March 11, 2018 2:27pm
  - UpandComer
    
    I was referring to the other link. With Brittany Pettibone and the Europa dude. Assange’s quote was just highlighting that the UK was congratulating itself on free speech when it had had detained two pepple for preemptive speech for 72 hours. This shit is serious. I’d quite like to visit Britain. I can’t publicly comment about their rape epidemic and Muslim problems if I want to go and avoid jail or a mysterious awful accident. That’s absolutely insane. Europa are a bunch of kids who don’t want Sharia and violence free streets and free speech. That’s considered terrorist. Whilst they welcome back Isis fighters. Fuck. Why do they hate their own people so much? Why do globalists hate everyone else?
    
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    March 11, 2018 2:54pm
stephieboy

The so called “ young “ Assange
Julian Assange: Campaigner or attention-seeker?

“To his supporters, Julian Assange is a valiant campaigner for truth. To his critics, he is a publicity-seeker who has endangered lives by putting a mass of sensitive information into the public domain.”

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-11047811

Doesn’t seem like suppression of his freedom of speech in the UK
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March 11, 2018 2:31pm
Viking2

National Party Spokesperson Allocations 11 March 2018 Spokesperson for Hon Simon Bridges
Leader National Security and Intelligence
Hon Paula Bennett
Deputy Leader Social Investment and Social Services Tertiary Education, Skills and Employment Women
Hon Amy Adams
Finance
Hon Judith Collins
Housing and Urban Development Planning (RMA Reform)
Hon Todd McClay
Foreign Affairs and Trade Tourism
Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman
Health Sport and Recreation
Hon Mark Mitchell
Justice Defence Disarmament
Jami-Lee Ross
Infrastructure Transport
Hon Paul Goldsmith
Economic and Regional Development Revenue Associate Arts, Culture and Heritage
Hon Nikki Kaye
Education
Hon Gerry Brownlee
Shadow Leader of the House GCSB NZSIS
America’s Cup

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/102164860/national-party-reshuffle-sees-former-ministers-demoted-judith-collins-up
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March 11, 2018 2:49pm
- Viking2
  
  Wonder if Todd Muller will fly with him from now on?
  Climate Change. who in the sane mind would want that?
  
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  March 11, 2018 2:58pm
- Kimbo
  
  Well that’s a bold decision to put Collins up against Twyford. In opposition he was one of the few to make things difficult for National, as it is currently such a problem area. Good on Bridges for entrusting a rival, and darling of the harder-right, with such a good portfolio in which she has opportunity to shine. Reminiscent of Clark when she promoted Cullen and King after they questioned her leadership.
  
  So, unless they personally plot to orchestrate a new leader, is this the end of Gerry Brownlee and Nick Smith?
  
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  March 11, 2018 3:05pm
  - nasska
    
    The end of Nick Smith!
    
    Confirm that it’s so & I might start thinking there’s something in the Skyfairy racket after all. 🙂
    
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    March 11, 2018 3:52pm
    - Kimbo
      
      He’s way down the list at # 26. Not sure if that is enough to induce a ‘Road to Damascus’ experience in you, but make it it what you will. ?
      
      May have spoken too hastily about Brownlee, based on his insubstantial portfolios. Then again he is at # 11, and retains shadow leader of the House, so I guess he is expected to create merry havoc in Parliament, and stymie Mallard’s attempts to rat fuck the Opposition.
      
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      March 11, 2018 4:00pm
      - nasska
        
        Then I’ll put my Damascus moment on hold until he slips to #57.
        
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        March 11, 2018 4:06pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Compared to the government benches, that’s a pretty talented line up.
  
  Unlikely to get me out voting for for them though, which is an issue.
  
  The Nats will be good enough to tear shreds from the COL in the house, but will they shine in the living rooms?
  
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  March 11, 2018 3:25pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Not without the msm reporting the questions asked by National and the actual answers by the CoL. ?
    
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    March 11, 2018 7:17pm
Manolo

Bono, the morally pure:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5486121/Bonos-ONE-charity-shame-South-Africa-staff-abuse-claims.html

Workers at a charity founded by U2 singer Bono have been subjected to a ‘toxic’ culture of bullying and abuse.

Bosses at the ONE charity have covered up the horrific allegations for years, but a major Mail on Sunday investigation has exposed a catalogue of humiliating incidents that has now sparked a multi-million-pound lawsuit.
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March 11, 2018 3:29pm
Viking2

Archeaologists believe Maori arrived in Aotearoa around the end of the 13th century.

But less clear was the exact place they’d previously called home – it was perhaps unlikely Hawaiki was a single island.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12010676
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March 11, 2018 3:53pm
DigNap15

Yes, they were such good navigators that they don’t even know where they come from!
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March 11, 2018 4:08pm
- nasska
  
  …..”they don’t even know where they come from!”…..
  
  Then when they got here they didn’t know where they were. Somewhere along the line they forgot the art of ocean navigation & how to make sails. Later most of them forgot how to cultivate kumara.
  
  Never in the history of mankind have a people suffered such a regression in knowledge.
  
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  March 11, 2018 4:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Tasmanian aboriginals forgot how to make fire and archery
    
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    March 11, 2018 4:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That is in dispute:
      http://austhrutime.com/tasmanian_aborigines.htm
      
      https://eprints.utas.edu.au/1887/
      
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      March 11, 2018 6:28pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Is that like Western Europeans in the Dark Ages forgetting how to make aqueducts and roads?
    
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    March 11, 2018 4:36pm
    - nasska
      
      The Godnutters had the monopoly on reading, writing & education. Civil engineering wasn’t a big thing for them.
      
      Strangely, most human knowledge was preserved by the Arabs. They were quite a civilised mob until Mohammed appeared on the scene.
      
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      March 11, 2018 4:50pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Wasn’t aware, as per your implication, that the Godnutters of Western Europe wanted to control and/or restrict knowledge and education in the Dark Ages. Preserve and disseminate it as civil government crumbled, yes. Also, weren’t the original source of classical knowledge, the Greeks and the Romans also (pagan) Godnutters? ?
        
        And I think you will find that in that era, cathedral- building was a civil building project. They were the seat of learning, culture and administration for the entire diocese.
        
        The Arabs and preserving the knowledge of the Ancients is an interesting one. Yes, maybe not initially, but by about the 12th or 13th Century the Islamic world starts to become insular, much like the Chinese did from about the late 14th Century…
        
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        March 11, 2018 5:01pm
      - nasska
        
        The Godnutters weren’t responsible for the coming of the Dark Ages but they used their monopoly on knowledge to gain patronage from feudal warlords & rulers. Only their offspring were offered an education.
        
        There are heaps of references to the RC churches burning & otherwise destroying books but there are plenty of protestations that they didn’t. Pick your side but my guess is that some orders were more tolerant & liberal than others.
        
        Cathedrals were built…..so were castles but not much else because the church & the nobles were the only ones who could fund construction. In any case road making & water reticulation from all accounts didn’t exist.
        
        The Dark Ages indeed.
        
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        March 11, 2018 5:33pm
Manolo

Joyous multiculturalism in Melbourne:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5485127/New-Melbourne-gang-Reds-imitating-Crips-Bloods.html

Teenage thugs replicating American street gangs clad in red hoodies and bandanas are causing havoc in Melbourne.

The wannabe gangsters, known among locals in the city’s south-east as the Reds, are reportedly linked to a series of assaults, robberies and thefts.
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March 11, 2018 4:13pm
- DigNap15
  
  I just cant believe why Australia lets these useless Sudanese etc in to spoil their beautiful country.
  
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  March 11, 2018 5:32pm
DigNap15

Yes where did they come from?

Hawkiki, Hawaii, Cook Island, Toga, Easter Island, Taiwan, America?

We need to know so that we can deport them
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March 11, 2018 4:14pm
- DigNap15
  
  Here I am talking about our Maori people.
  Too many posts going on at once on different topics.
  
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  March 11, 2018 5:33pm
- GoVege
  
  Apparently they left from Samoa…went to Cook Islands. ..then came here.
  (Is that why they call them Cook Island Maori? )
  Years ago some Samoan relatives saw a dude they were positive must come from their village, the family resemblance was so strong.
  Turned out he was Maori!
  Language is very similar :
  Fale=whare (house)
  Tasi..lua..tolu…fa..= tahi. .rua..toru..wha=1,2,3,4.
  
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  March 11, 2018 7:31pm
  - Kimbo
    
    All of the Polynesian languages are related and share common vocabulary. A couple of weeks ago the Bird sisters from Matata were doing their TV cooking show with a local in Hawaii, and he called the club he was using to beat out taro into a paste, a “patu”.
    
    So same word as in Maori, despite being at the furtherest distance in the massive New Zealand/Hawaii/Rapanui (Easter Island) triangle.
    
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    March 11, 2018 7:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Apparently they left from Samoa
    
    Very doubtful.
    The Maori are of East Polynesian origin.
    Most likely origin Society Is; Cook Is, Austral Is.
    
    (I s’pose it could be argued that the East Polynesians
    came from West Polynesia (Samoa, Tuvalu…)1100 years ago)
    
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    March 11, 2018 8:47pm
DigNap15

David Parker “believes” that we are still an Ally of the USA

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/trade-minister-hoping-for-nz-exemption-to-trumps-tariffs/ar-BBK53WV?ocid=spartandhp

Well then get our media to stop bashing Trump
And get your leader to apologise for calling him orange and saying that capitalism has failed!
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March 11, 2018 5:42pm
rightoverlabour

I am often critical of the New Zealand Police, and have made comments to this effect on occasions. Today, however, they deserve praise. We went to the police open day in Auckland, (partly because my daughter wants to join them after reading a degree in Science), and I was impressed by what was on offer, and the huge effort made to really engage with the public in a very positive manner. What was especially noticeable was the effort made to engage with children of all ages. Well done.
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March 11, 2018 7:25pm
nasska

To all leftist non gender snowflakes. Fast fwd 25 years:

The flag of Islam unfurls over Parliament.

Women no longer work, drive, or attend schools.

Your wife goes to PaknSave dressed in a rubbish bag.

You shit in a hole in the ground & toilet paper is banned.

The diversity experts’ offspring reside in a Remuera social housing project with ten wives , twenty kids each & have never worked a day in their lives.

A beer with a bacon, lettuce & tomato sandwich carries a death sentence.

Your granddaughter who is sitting on your knee, looks into your eyes & desperately asks, “Granddad! What the fuck were you thinking of back then !!??
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March 11, 2018 8:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh, don’t be silly, nasska.
  
  There won’t be any Granddads in the Wimmin’s Covenment of Papatūānuku.
  
  Just a sperm donor.
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:11pm
rightoverlabour

By the way, anyone seen the “cyclone”

From the satellite images, I think it has buggered off past us. How come no-one is giving us updates, or is sensationalism the only news nowadays?
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March 11, 2018 8:13pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  look at the full disk visible and infrared and zehr enhanced infrared.
  
  http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/satellite/?tz=AEST&unit=p23&domain=15&view=06&satSubmit=Refresh+View
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:23pm
- nasska
  
  It’s the latest fetish. Storm porn!
  
  I’m currently on holiday near Kerikeri & kicking myself for wasting ten minutes this arvo tying things down & securing the caravan.
  
  The only things we’re going to get inundated with are hyperbole & surplus adjectives courtesy of the retards who run the MSM.
  
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  March 11, 2018 8:34pm
  - Kimbo
    
    At least they haven’t scraped the bottom of the barrel of rhetoric sins and resorted to…emphatic adverbs. ?
    
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    March 11, 2018 8:44pm
    - nasska
      
      Give them time. They haven’t quite reached rock bottom…..yet! 🙂
      
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      March 11, 2018 8:49pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Might have to retract. http://www.windy.com has it north of us still, but the upper air data suggests it will move south east past us. I still don’t think it going to be too bad.
  
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  March 11, 2018 9:10pm
flyernzl

One of the goals of the current administration is to amend tenancy law to encourage Longer Term Tenancies. This, we are informed from on high, would be good for landlords, good for tenants, good for families and good for motherhood and apple pie.

So, given that this would be a win-win for all concerned, why are longer term tenancies not the usual choice in this country?

The bible under which we all operate, the Residential Tenancies Act, allows residential tenancies to either being periodic with no defined end date, or fixed term, where an end date is specified at the start of the tenancy and both tenant and the landlord agree that the tenancy will run until that time. So there seems to be no obvious legal obstacle that would, in itself, discourage either landlord or tenant offering or accepting a tenancy of several years’ duration.

However, as such a tenancy seems to be a rare beast at best, apparently we need to look elsewhere for a reason.

The typical successful kiwi landlord normally runs through a lifetime buy-and-sell cycle. Usually entering into the investment property market once established in employment, they then continue to build up the size of portfolio through a few decades. At some point they may feel they have acquired enough assets so they then concentrate on paying off some or all of the debt on the properties. Then, about the time they move into their retirement years, their focus changes from capital appreciation to income generation. Cash-flow money is now needed for those overseas trips, the expensive toys, and the long lunches with friends and family. Eventually, as the body tires and withers, the investment portfolio is gradually sold off to fund the rest home charges, the grandchildren’s education, and to switch to more passive investments that no longer require the tired old brain to make constant day-to-day decisions. A cup of tea and a nice lie-down is so much more relaxing than facing the never-ending problems of property ownership and tenancy management.

Thus even the most future-focused private investor is aware that, eventually, the game will end and everything will pass out of their ownership.

On the other side, tenants normally fall into one of four groups. The traditional kiwi tenant is a younger person, generally renting as part of a group or as a couple, and is in the early stages of adult life. As we are all aware, such a person is probably unsettled and has yet to establish their place in the world. Thus they are highly likely to move across the country or across the world as they chase educational and work opportunities. They would react with horror at being bound into a five or ten-year tenancy, and being able to depart from a periodic tenancy on only 21 days’ notice suits them just fine. In time, once they have moved on to a career path and established personal relationships most of this group will climb onto the property ownership ladder.

The second group are the strivers. Having passed through or avoided that uncertain stage of life, these tenants have set their goal firmly on home ownership. They are renting only while they save, are saving hard, see their current tenancy as a short term stepping-stone, and as soon as they can afford to do so will move off into their owner-occupied home. Good on them. Usually, sooner or later, they will attain that goal even if they have to sacrifice much and possibly move towns to achieve it. We can all applaud their efforts and their success.

At the other end of the spectrum are those who have accepted or are resigned that they will live in rented accommodation for the rest of their lives – or at least until that winning Lotto ticket comes in. Either through misfortune, lack of ambition, or possibly even choice they have passed on the normal home ownership step and, with luck, found a rental property that they like, can call home, and suits them just fine.

In the middle are the angry and upset people. Although they are renting (or trying to) they feel cheated. They see the system as their enemy, the lack of available rentals as a market failure, and every unsuccessful tenancy application as a personal affront. In their eyes a landlord is at best a rip-off merchant and at worst their enemy. With little idea of the actual on-going financial costs of owning a property they are firmly convinced that every dollar of the rent they pay goes to fund their landlord’s expensive tastes and lust for high living. These are the people who agitate politically for punitive restrictions and bay for harsh property-specific taxes to be imposed on those whom, without much thought or distinction, they sweepingly class as tax-avoiding speculators. Frequently, their holy grail is a Housing New Zealand rental where they can settle down and pay a well-below market rent that is heavily subsidized by the unwilling taxpayer.

So on one hand we have most of our landlords fixated at best on the short to medium term future and the majority of tenants with a similar short-term focus. Hardly surprising then that most landlords offer and the majority of tenants choose either a periodic tenancy or a one-year fixed term option.

When you actually look at the suggestions around the creation of longer term tenancies, most of the proposals take the form of compelling the landlord to offer the longer term, with associated penalties if they fail to do this, while leaving the tenant to terminate the tenancy largely at will and without any punishment. Many landlords I speak to can tell stories about the difficulties of getting their tenants to commit to even a twelve month fixed term, most seemingly having a strong preference for the periodic option.

In another facet of my life I am a sort of an honorary tenancy consultant to the local Citizens Advice Bureau. The second most frequently asked tenancy question there, preceded only by how to resolve the difficulties created within the tenancy by a relationship breakup, is how can tenants escape from their fixed term tenancy well before the end date. Hardly a case of tenants desperate for long-term tenancies while evil landlords fail to provide it.
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