General Debate 8 February 2018

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cmm

Herald has an article about huge and smelly residents:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11989880

They look like fairly normal people to me – not huge and smelly at all.
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February 8, 2018 8:05am
- KevOB
  
  It’s about a broiler farm in the wopwops. If you own land in remote places don’t be surprised by what your neighbours get up to. Regulation is not yet by square metre.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:12am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Having lived in the country I understand the quandary. I agree businesses have a right to set up but that’s very well to say until you have to live downwind of said shed. ? ?
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:25am
    - VicParking
      
      In Whanganui we have freezing works that when the weather is hot and the wind blows from the SW the whole town stinks. It’s like Rotorua, after a while you don’t even smell it.
      
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      February 8, 2018 8:40am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        At least council seems to have finally sorted out the wastewater treatment plant…
        
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        February 8, 2018 8:54am
      - GoVege
        
        There is a simple solution….. 🙂
        
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        February 8, 2018 9:08am
    - GoVege
      
      Just be thankful you ain’t living INSIDE the shed….
      
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      February 8, 2018 12:46pm
  - cmm
    
    whoosh!
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:26am
    - waikatogirl
      
      No, I saw the headline cmm.
      Sorry didn’t read the article as I thought the heading was your whole point as the joke… bit weak but I gave you an uptick ?
      
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      February 8, 2018 8:32am
      - cmm
        
        Lame joke, but better than WoO
        
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        February 8, 2018 8:39am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Anything is better than WoO.
        Beautiful day in the waikato. Hope it is wherever you reside cmm. ?
        
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        February 8, 2018 8:46am
      - cmm
        
        Only blue out my window.
        
        I don’t feel like going for a walk on the beach while the cops are still searching for a body though: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/101215087/family-of-14yearold-missing-off-christchurch-beach-jack-sutton-just-want-him-home
        
        Poor family.
        
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        February 8, 2018 9:09am
  - KiWombat
    
    This has been a discussion topic for six months or more – why is it only making news now?
    
    Oh – WeeWinnie was the local member back then – I suppose that’s why
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:04am
- GoVege
  
  And they say they are gonna transport thousands of these poor little chooky people by truck all the way from Dargaville to Henderson?!
  I suppose they’ll be jam-packed like sardines in horrible, cramped cages.
  Can’t they finish the job up there at least?
  
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  February 8, 2018 12:13pm
Chuck Bird

Let us hope something finally is done about this madness.

Jarrod Gilbert: Peter Ellis martyr to deranged prejudice

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11989759
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February 8, 2018 8:06am
- KiWombat
  
  The government’s mainstay project Kiwibuild is off to a flying start.
  
  Ironically, it kicks off in Westport. HNZ application lodged with Buller District Council to construct 3 x 2/3 bedroom duplexes in Domett St.
  
  Just maybe Twitford will be able to stick a shovel in the ground and turn the first sod before June ?
  
  Tens of thousands to go, but at least the “conversation” has begun !
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:41am
  - holysheet
    
    The conversations have all been taking place behind closed doors. We will be kept in the dark like mushrooms and fed bullshit from time to time. Wait for the birth of the “child of the nation”. All these mounting broken promises will be a minor distraction, once Chompers has her baby.
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:58am
    - KiWombat
      
      Hallelujah – the messiah !
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:02am
      - sooty
        
        Just imgine the shit that kid has to put up with for the rest of its life. You can bet it will be an alphabet soup, ninconpoop. Edit added word.
        
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        February 8, 2018 9:13am
- GoVege
  
  I always remember the day this story broke.
  Peter Ellis was the first accused man, I ever saw, pursued down the road with a microphone shoved in his face, who didn’t react angrily or with violence.
  I recall he just looked very sad…and hurt.
  
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  February 8, 2018 7:07pm
Lee C

on the back Waiting and the PR triumph that Jacinda Ardern achieved, I was thinking about her deliberate use language for example, how she employed ‘judginess’ rather than ‘judgementalism’ This was deliberate wasn’t it?

Is it fair to say that she has emerged as a shrewd and cynical politician who will continue to market Labour to the people for a long time yet?
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February 8, 2018 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  I want to drink what you are drinking.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:12am
- tf78
  
  There is a very good article in the Herald this morning by Ward Kamo regarding Jacinda’s Waitangi visit which he said really amounted to nothing new at all just smoke, mirrors and adulation from the media. I’m surprised they published it to be honest.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:33am
  - oldgolfer
    
    Perhaps the scales are falling from their eyes?
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:44am
    - Gravelroad
      
      No
      
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      February 8, 2018 8:48am
  - cmm
    
    Haven’t you noticed the pattern yet?
    
    Ward Kamo’s article might be seen as many to be giving a bit of balance, but it is going to be followed by every feminist journalist writing a counter narrative/hit piece on Ward, all men, the patriarchy and society as a whole.
    
    It’s a neat way of creating controversy and generating click bait.
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:46am
    - sooty
      
      Chick bait?
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:16am
      - cmm
        
        Is chick bit something like Page 3?
        
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        February 8, 2018 9:24am
  - labrator
    
    Yes, it left me wondering when Ardern’s Nobel Peace Prize ceremony was. They have given it to her haven’t they? There’ll need to be some serious conversations if not… maybe even a bbq.
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:28am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Is it fair to say that she has emerged as a shrewd and cynical politician who will continue to market Labour to the people for a long time yet?
  
  There’s one other explanation. It’s not that Ardern herself is a “shrewd and cynical politician”, but the real power behind her is her mentor, Helen Elizabeth Clark, who certainly fits the “shrewd and cynical” label.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:57am
  - stephieboy
    
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    KS , still haven’t got over the shock and torment of Helen’s nine year regime ?
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:00am
    - labrator
      
      Didn’t expect stephieboy to admit Clark was authoritarian but there you have it, the Clark “regime”!
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:29am
    - pdm
      
      Neither has the country sboy – she and Cullen did irreparable harm.
      
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      February 8, 2018 10:52am
  - RF
    
    KS.
    
    Yep. A skinny puppet with strings pulled by H1 & H2.
    
    Just think back 12 months. She was not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:07am
- Flash
  
  A fair question. Just because she started out looking clueless doesn’t mean that she lacks animal cunning.
  And she’s going to become a mother – she will learn from her child if she wants to survive, lol.
  
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  February 8, 2018 12:15pm
Poppa

So we are allowing 200 Chinese workers in to complete a construction job in Auckland

Where are you Twyford? And where are you Peters?

I guess it only mattered when National were in power
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February 8, 2018 8:12am
- Paulus
  
  Where are the Labour’s Unions ?
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:16am
  - cmm
    
    Remember the old days when Labour meant working?
    
    Now our Labour doesn’t work. They just have conversations.
    
    Need to bring in some real workers…
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:48am
    - sooty
      
      Had to bring in workers for the electionering as well. That worked well!
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:19am
    - GoVege
      
      Hehe.
      Reckon we need to change the name to spell it out:
      LABOUR=WORK
      
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      February 8, 2018 10:35am
      - Flash
        
        Oh you are a silly! That’s the OLD definition. No one uses it now!
        
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        February 8, 2018 12:17pm
      - sooty
        
        They all think they should be the boss, know.
        
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        February 8, 2018 5:42pm
- KevOB
  
  Is the project owned by the Chinese government? They have quite a lot of investment here. Our rubbish in Christchurch is collected by one of their interests.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:18am
- Gravelroad
  
  Yes, but will these Chinese people be allowed to buy houses??
  If no, where will they live, under a bridge somewhere?
  
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  February 8, 2018 10:45am
  - GoVege
    
    Nah, in containers.
    
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    February 8, 2018 12:50pm
    - sooty
      
      Yer, cardboard ones.
      
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      February 8, 2018 5:43pm
EAD_TWO

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” – George Orwell

https://www.stuff.co.nz/science/101242841/facial-reconstruction-show-the-first-britons-were-black-and-their-dna-lives-on-in-most-of-us

The first Britons were black, and their DNA lives on in most of us…….

Dr Yoan Dieckmann, from University College London, who took part in the project, said: “The historical perspective that you get just tells you that things change, things are in flux, and what may seem as a cemented truth, that people feel the British should have white skin through time, is not at all something that is an immutable truth.It has always changed and will change”

You got that people from Britain – now open your Borders to the tide of humanity from Africa, because despite all the problems and poverty they bring, they are just like you and it is you, not them who are the “invaders” (just give it a while bwfore they start using this line)
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February 8, 2018 8:13am
- stephieboy
  
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  EAD TWO , at least you can take comfort from the DNA tests on Chedder men that they at least had blue eyes
  
  Pressing the panic button and getting you own ancestral DNA tested too establish traces of dark skin ?
  
  LOL!
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:54am
  - Harkman
    
    Me so happy, I gave you your first thumbs down of the day. ?
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:59am
    - KiWombat
      
      Looking like he will get 100 of those before he gets a single thumbs up !
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:52am
      - KiWombat
        
        He must have logged under an alias – quick flurry of green ticks appearing
        
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        February 8, 2018 10:47am
      - Harkman
        
        Looks like the rent-a-leftist’s are out in full force today, giving us the thumbs down, geeh they might hurt our feelings.
        
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        February 8, 2018 11:45am
  - holysheet
    
    You don’t need a DNA test stooooopidboy.
    I found your mother.
    http://www.socialbookshelves.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/hqdefault-300×225.jpg
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:09am
- VicParking
  
  The African and Middle East DNA in Britain is due to three factors. The large number of the Roman Soliders where from these areas and the Brothels in the Vicus were staffed by British women. Also Soliders married British women, an accepted practice in the roman army, and when the army left they stayed behind. Remember the Romans were in Britain for nearly 400 years.
  Also there was a strong trade from African and Mediterranean countries in Britain. Ships were not that reliable so many were wreaked or not fit to sail back and the sailors settled down with the local population.
  Slavery was only abolished in the UK in 1803/1833.
  The majority of the thousands of slaves just assimilated into the population.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:58am
  - stephieboy
    
    Vic Parking EAD TWO and certain alt righters here on KB will be deeply disturbed and shocked .
    
    I think Chedder man goes back long before the arrival of the Romans .(ca. 9100 BP )
    
    But it is worth thinking about as Rome itself by the height of the Empire was a multicultural hub of diversity .
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:09am
    - Digmen1
      
      Yes, and then it was all downhill for Rome!
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:22am
    - G152
      
      ‘Chedder Man’ WTF
      He is the ‘Cheddar Man’
      
      The full genome was extracted from the petrous part of the temporal bone by the Natural History Museum in 2018.[8] The result was compatible with a West European Hunter-Gatherer (WHG[9]) ancestry, including phenotypical traits such as blue eyes, black skin and dark curly hair as well as lactose intolerance.
      Okay?
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:47am
      - kowtow
        
        A lactose intolerant Cheddar man ?
        
        Imposter.
        
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        February 8, 2018 10:14am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Another downtick for that ‘alt right’ crap.
      
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      February 8, 2018 11:00am
  - Swifty
    
    VP, how does that account for 10,000 year-old Chedar Man?
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:18am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Because it doesn’t account for the Cheddar Man – it’s likely junk science that can be filed right beside “global warming”. It is not surprising that this came out during “Black History Month” either where all sorts of bullshit gets passed off as fact in the name of Political Correctness.
      
      I am highly sceptical that it would be possible to accurately judge someone’s skin tone from DNA alone, other than by allocating that person to a racial group, or hybrid, and then applying the standard colouration for that group. Genetic science is not yet at the point where we can look at a person’s genome and accurately guess their height, build or colouration, other than by reference to broad racial categories.
      
      It is interesting that the man behind the study’s background is in computing rather than genetics. It may be that he has designed some computer model, whose results could be wildly inaccurate.
      
      Even if some early people in Britain were darker skinned than the British, they were still separated from Africans by 60,000 to 90,000 years and far closer to modern Britons than to modern or ancient Africans. Race is not just skin colour. Skin colour is a minor and relatively unimportant aspect of race.
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:40am
      - mikenmild
        
        Skin colour is a minor and relatively unimportant aspect of race
        
        Coorect – you need those nose calipers to be sure who you are dealing with.
        
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        February 8, 2018 10:43am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        you need those nose calipers
        
        When all else fails you can always be sure there will be a Milkmaid to Godwin the thread and invoke the spectre of the Big Bad Nazis❗
        
        What’s your view on Israel requiring DNA and blood tests to prove their racial purity?
        
        Are they “far right extremist Nazis to”? ?????
        
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-speakers-who-want-to-immigrate-could-need-dna-test/
        
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        February 8, 2018 8:45pm
  - rangitoto
    
    There was also a lot of trading between Britain and all parts of the med during the bronze age as Britain was a major source of tin required to make bronze.
    
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    February 8, 2018 10:43am
    - mikenmild
      
      Perhaps you didn’t read the article. It was about a stone age skeleton (Cheddar Man) – who lived thousands of years before the Bronze Age and sea routes between the British Isles and the Mediterranean.
      
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      February 8, 2018 10:47am
      - rangitoto
        
        I was referring to the source of the genetics of the current population in Britain. One neolithic individual doesn’t make a case for anything. Nothing to say that person was a local or that they or their relatives left any descendants in Britain.
        
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        February 8, 2018 11:01am
      - mikenmild
        
        Again, the article suggests that the mesolithic population accounts for about 10% of current British
        DNA.
        
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        February 8, 2018 11:07am
      - rangitoto
        
        Are you trying to say stale pale whitey’s are really coons.
        
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        February 8, 2018 11:20am
      - mikenmild
        
        Again, the article notes that racial categories are more of a cultural construct than anything else.
        
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        February 8, 2018 11:23am
kowtow

The Age of Entitlement.

‘ Oxford University was not at fault for a graduate’s 2:1 degree as he may have “simply coasted”, a judge has ruled.

Faiz Siddiqui had attempted to sue the university over his degree mark, which he said cost him a career as a high-flying lawyer. ‘

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/07/oxford-university-not-fault-graduates-21-may-have-simply-coasted/
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February 8, 2018 8:15am
- cmm
  
  Well bugger. Now plan B….. go online to find out how to make a suicide vest.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:28am
  - Piniwi
    
    Great cmm but we are still waiting to see their “after” pictures or better a slow motion video as so many body bits turn into “moving parts”. It might make the 72 virgins a very hard sell to any cell.
    
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    February 8, 2018 3:33pm
- David Garrett
  
  This guy is so full of shit! He got jobs at two of the most prestigious law firms in London (which proves they were unconcerned about his not having a first)…and then got fired in short order…for “rudeness and lack of IT skills”..
  
  His poor performance is his problem, not his degree…(A 2:1 from Oxford is a sought after degree)
  
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  February 8, 2018 10:03am
  - cmm
    
    ” He got jobs at two of the most prestigious law firms in London ”
    
    Bending over backwards to hire a token. I expect they glossed over his lack of legal skills.
    
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    February 8, 2018 10:10am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Certainly in Law it is David. Only around 5% of Law students get a Geoff.
    
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    February 8, 2018 12:54pm
waikatogirl

The COL have named another inquiry to look into the cost of electricity. Are consumers paying too much? A man interviewed in the street suggested the price should drop by 25% for the consumer.

Did those calling for cheaper electricity consider that the infrastructure including dams, turbines, pylons, undersea cables are expensive to construct and to maintain? That the Greens won’t allow any more highly efficient hydro-electric dams to be built, nor coal-fired electricity production, and definitely no nuclear power production for NZ. That wind-turbines been have found not to be efficient enough to produce sufficient electricity for the countries growing consumption?

Will our future electricity needs be met? What is going to happen when the dreams of lovely electric cars inhabit our roads and require their batteries to be plugged in to be charged on a regular basis?

So many questions…
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February 8, 2018 8:21am
- GazzaW
  
  ‘Dr’ Megan Woods said that prices had increased by 50% and then very quietly added the words ‘since 2000.’ Thats less than 3% a year – hardly outrageous.
  
  The COL members are still smarting over the semi-privatisation of the power companies and in reality this is what the enquiry is all about.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:34am
  - oldgolfer
    
    There are so many inquiries underway that it might be fitting if the CoL had an inquiry to see whether all the inquiries are needed.
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:46am
  - Prince
    
    Yes the ‘50%’ number was breathlessly repeated on TV1 news.
    Actually, less than 2% annual increase if you take into account the GST increase, and most of it under the previous Labour government.
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:53am
    - KevOB
      
      The rate is only that of inflation. Our power prices are relatively internationally competitive. The constant population growth requires an increase in generation capacity which does not come out of green mouths.
      
      The charges have to enable the continuing capital development.
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:03am
      - Piniwi
        
        Pardon KevOB? Internationally competitive? While the actual electricity rate might be comparative the additional charges make it the opposite. For our modest little house the months usage of 169 kw/h was the equivalent of NZ$43.39 total.
        Plus there has been very little added to the national capacity with whatever is listed as “capital development”.
        Another concern is that Transpower will no longer be giving customers the annual rebate that were so great to get in the past. Likewise the COL are worried about pending increases and their extra power bill benefit for superannuates is to offset that more than their tax increase.
        
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        February 8, 2018 4:20pm
    - Prince
      
      CPI since 2000 is 2.7%.
      So power prices have increased at a rate lower than inflation.
      Let’s see one of the brave TV journalists point that out and ask the Minister some hard questions on our behalf.
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:56am
      - Piniwi
        
        Yes Prince but real people understand true “relativity” rather than feelz. We have the longest stretch of extremely low inflation ever which the COL are about to double at the very least. Even the shill in the RBNZ has changed their outlook to interest rising sooner than earlier predictions. The OCR has remained static this week but old WP’s dark days are coming because it was him who authored the secret agreement. Few would know the poofters lack of economic ability as he has seen him up close since he made to the Labour benches.
        
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        February 8, 2018 4:30pm
  - KiWombat
    
    What about an enquiry into the price of diesel fuel? Surely that comes under the energy portfolio?
    
    Price has risen over 30% since September 24th, and at the same time world prices have fallen.
    
    Go figure !
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:10am
    - Piniwi
      
      Steady KiWobat after so much noise from motorists and the AA they have declared the “favour” an inquiry into fuel costs.
      It is becoming apparent that most involved in the plethora of inquiries stand a better than fair chance of becoming the fall guys. With the cost/wage spiral about to accelerate they will as effective as a blind dart player to score a double 20.
      
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      February 8, 2018 4:36pm
  - Gabby
    
    What’s inflation been over that time guzzla. What’s the movement in management salaries looked like.
    
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    February 8, 2018 10:21am
  - Jack5
    
    The Lefties and Greenies are on their way to causing power-supply chaos.
    
    Green electricity needs gas or coal-fired backups to cater for peak demand, and to balance supply variation caused by weather.
    
    NZ hydro power is reaching its limit, before it upsets Greens by requiring new flooding of mountain valleys.
    
    Our terrain doesn’t allow substantial storage reserves of water, unlike the geography of hydro-power countries like Norway. So we always have fairly short-term water storage.
    
    Geothermal generation is uncertain because of meandering underground sources and unpredictability of supply.
    
    Wind and solar are at the whim of weather and light.
    
    If we want Green power, we need our offshore gas and CSG from coalfields. Unfortunately, greenies have driven away the foreign research vessels that would have provided the former, and the latter requires fracking, which makes Greenies faint.
    
    Dr Megan Woods needs to get up to speed in electricity engineering pretty quickly. Her background in the history of feminism hasn’t prepared her to chart NZ’s electricity future.
    
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    February 8, 2018 10:57am
    - Piniwi
      
      Jack5 surely you know the process the COL uses for appointing Ministers and the like. It is gender, party ranking above any consideration of ability. Woods is the proverbial round (size 22) round peg in a standard med sized (7) square hole. Only appears to fit as she obscures the square hole. Think lardos and shopping carts.
      
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      February 8, 2018 4:41pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    And the greater part of the rise in prices occurred under Labour while they were gouging power co’s for dividends to pay for their extravagant spending.
    
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    February 8, 2018 12:56pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And will they consider the fact that power prices went up heaps under the previous Labour Govt. but pretty much stalled under National? Largely as a result of the partial privatisation.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:37am
  - stigie
    
    Yes Captain, 72% over 9 years i believe !!~
    But they know best what the consumer should pay..?
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:59am
- Digmen1
  
  We do need to have reliable power supplies and that costs money.
  But I don’t think we need so many highly paid CEO’s to sell what everyone needs.
  
  I’d rather see an inquiry into our grocery prices and our building supplies prices.
  
  If the prices of these two items dropped, then all New Zealanders would be better off.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:40am
  - KiWombat
    
    Very true Dig, if only the price of our milk was closer to that in Australia, then maybe Coke would become less of a staple. Milk is $1 per litre in Australia
    
    etc etc etc
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:13am
    - sooty
      
      Man, all off these inquires are going to drain the workforce. Talk about two many chiefs and not enough indians! They are going to run out of people in Wellington and have to hold inquires out in the country. The public service is going to love that, staying in the pub at Bennydale or similar.
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:34am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Now now Sooty. You’re not allowed to imply that Indians are somehow being inferior to Chiefs 😀
        
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        February 8, 2018 10:01am
- JIV
  
  The problem with the obsession with renewables is that we need to build twice the capacity in case the wind doesnt blow or the sun doesnt shine.
  Gas powered plants are being built to ensure the electricity is still available on calm, cloudy days. This means we could scrap all the turbines and solar panels and just have the ultra efficient gas plants.
  Although the greens are against these too.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:46am
  - holysheet
    
    If the sun stopped shining, we would not survive for long.
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:14am
    - sooty
      
      But their shiny arses would power nz forever.
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:28am
- cmm
  
  Another inquiry to keep their consultant mates happy.
  
  They don’t need to build infrastructure. They can leave that for National to do when they get back in power.
  
  But weren’t Labour and Greens going to nationalise the power companies? That’s what they said when they sabotaged the partial asset sales, costing the nation approximately $2bn.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:56am
  - Piniwi
    
    True cmm but that might be the real aim of this inquiry to get a negative and tell us the only answer is the Mud Mob great NZ Power. Again it might also be in the secret agreement?
    
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    February 8, 2018 4:46pm
- peterwn
  
  The Government has two choices on electricity pricing. It can basically let market forces get on with it. Or it can accept that the generation companies will stop investing in new plant (and close old plant kept as reserve) which will lead to a shortage in due course. This means the government will either have to arrange new plant itself or subsidise new plant. There is a third option – screw the investors in the five major generation companies – most of which are ordinary people either directly or via Kiwisaver etc, not just rich fat cats.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:57am
  - Piniwi
    
    But peterwn this COL are so polarised on “today” they lack the vision to look ahead to practical solutions or avoiding serious problems. The whole charade of endless inquiries is just a smoke screen to cover their collective incompetence. Don’t hold your breath for effective long term solutions as they are too busy creating more long term liabilities. AKA millstones for a future administration that will again have to clean up the mess while dragging a bigger burden.
    
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    February 8, 2018 4:55pm
- niggly
  
  Looks like the dopey COL have “conveniently forgotten” about the major infrastructure upgrades (that were happening even under the previous Labour Govt), which saw prices increase (at a faster rate than under National) to ensure security of supply etc.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:00am
- rangitoto
  
  I would rather that they have an enquiry into local body rates.
  
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  February 8, 2018 10:48am
- Piniwi
  
  Interesting waikatogirl and though it might sound like just semantics the article termed it a “review” perhaps the podgy Dr was trying to keep a low profile. Pound for pound though she does look like the new standard for female police recruits.
  Of significance in relation to the infrastructure you list is the point these assets were gifted to the SOE’s created.
  It was interesting attending a meeting that marked the transition from NZED to Power Corp. The first employee tree for the current staff of 128 was turned over to reveal the “new” staff tree of 8 staff. In fairness though any of the 128 could apply for any on the 8 new positions. The rest got a fair redundancy package and thank you for coming in. This event was in Nelson and was being held at the same time throughout the country.
  Since then there has been virtually no expansion of their capacity so they have just lived off the fat.
  However be it called review or inquiry it will not report back until sometime next year (2019) by which time the production costs will have gained the Fool Factor of forced wage rises. It also will be after yet another winter season that promises to be very cold and without the benefits of global warming. Thus we can anticipate the sob story from Woods how there is no room for price cuts except if they go ahead with their plans to nationalise it. Yes we may well ask is this really reason to help them with that rather than help the customers. Is this part of the secret agreement? This like all other questions asked of the COL formally and informally will likely never be answered until after the event.
  
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  February 8, 2018 4:04pm
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Humpty Trumpty wants to march his men up to the top of the hill and march them down again.
How are those bone spurs, Donnie? Seem to have cleared up once you were no longer of draft age.
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February 8, 2018 8:26am
- Inandout
  
  Those revealing memos starting to hurt Tom?
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:48am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Well, his heroine Hillary has a bag packed with not much more than a toothbrush in it. She’ll look great in orange.
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:50am
  - Scott
    
    Yes the latest communication between the lovestruck FBI agents reveals that Obama wanted to be kept totally informed of all that they were doing.
    So help me to get this straight –
    for over a year we have been told that Donald Trump is a Manchurian candidate who was in league with the Russians and stole the election from Hillary Clinton.
    
    But it appears that the Democrats and Hillary Clinton and Obama received a salacious anti Trump dossier paid for by the DNC and supplied by the Russians.
    Armed with the dossier they used the powers of the FBI and the Justice Department to spy on the Trump campaign and try to swing the election the Democrats way.
    
    When Hillary unexpectedly lost they then concocted a story that Trump colluded with the Russians – the very thing that they were doing.
    
    They use that story to whip the compliant media into a frenzy and unleash 3 investigations of supposed Trump collusion of Russia – the very thing that they were doing.
    
    As I have said in the past – how this is not Watergate? Or does Watergate only matter when the Republicans do it?
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:14am
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      Scott , seems like straight out of Fox Faux news Fairy Tales or are you taking a creative fantasy story writing course ?
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:17am
      - Ross12
        
        In time you will realise sb that the facts back up Scott’s summary.
        
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        February 8, 2018 9:26am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Every outrageous unfounded slur against Trump is gospel.
        
        All the solid verifiable evidence that Obama was a colossal crook is “faux” huh.
        
        Poor delusional you.
        
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        February 8, 2018 10:09am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Even more, it seems that Steele may not have even prepared all that much of his “dossier”; two well known Clinton Associates Sid Blumenthal and Corey Shearer appear to have been involved in feeding snippets into it.
      
      It is also interesting that Carter Page actually left the Trump campaign before the FISA warrant was obtained, and that back in 2013, Page was not only investigated by the FBI in regard to Russian attempts to recruit him and others, he also served as an undercover FBI informant and passed bugged folders of info onto the Russians involved. So in 3 years he went from being undercover for the FBI to being a Russian spy.
      
      There’s so much that smells about the whole affair that a special counsel just has to be appointed, IMHO.
      
      There’s also pretty good evidence that there was a conspiracy to pervert justice with regard to the Clinton email case, and the dropped investigation relating to Uranium One. Perhaps a second special counsel to investigate the Clinton Foundation would be in order.
      
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      February 8, 2018 3:51pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Totally worth it to watch the liberals heads explode. The Don doesnt even have to try any longer. He just buys a trap from the Acme Trap Manufacturing company with the words “This is a trap, DO NOT ENTER” printed on it in bigly red letters and sits back and waits for the liberals to come along.
  Going to be amusing watching BLM and assorted haters (who by the way despise war, but constantly attack Trump for dodging the draft), protest against a veterans day parade. Will just disgust those who fought and served and their families.
  Latest polls have Trumps Black vote at double from this time last year because they’re all sick of the virtue signalling bullshit too. Thats a pretty telling stat. From 12% of the black vote to 25% approval.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:26am
GazzaW

Did I hear on the news that Labour has folded on introducing GST on imported goods purchased online because it’s not possible to collect on a viable basis? In other words Amazon et al told Chubby Chops’ lads to fuck off and collect their own taxes. National warned you Grant but you wouldn’t listen – you just carried on your empty rhetoric along with Stu Nash. Another first 100 days achievement (snort!).
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February 8, 2018 8:28am
- Digmen1
  
  I hope so.
  Because the expenses and hassle of collecting it is just not worth hassle.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:37am
  - GazzaW
    
    Collection of GST on low cost items has to be done at source. Amazon et al are not remotely interested in collecting, administering and remitting foreign taxes. If they did it for NZ the floodgates would open from every country that Amazon holds a database with. Robbo and Nash were stuffed from the outset – another promise not thought through.
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:52am
    - RF
      
      Another backdown and major fail by sweet cheeks.
      
      Soon he will be crawling to Joyce seeking financial advice.
      
      What a twat…..
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:12am
      - sooty
        
        They knew for ages. Just had to wait the 100days out.
        
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        February 8, 2018 9:39am
    - KevinH
      
      You can clip the ticket through forex in the same way banks do.
      It is a simple creative solution easy to administer.
      
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      February 8, 2018 12:12pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Probably the tax collected would not justify the cost. But the benefit is not just the tax collected. It’s also the fact local suppliers would no longer suffer a 15% penalty relative to their overseas competitors. That is hard to quantify but could be worth quite a lot.
    
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    February 8, 2018 10:19am
    - Piniwi
      
      Sorry NK but goods from offshore are often half the price delivered compared to local retail or even parallel imports. If buyers are only saving the equivalent of GST they are wasting their time. Amazon is a poor option for most who buy offshore and their freight costs are among the highest. The trap for many is the freight cost often includes an equal amount for customer country customs or clearance costs. Wise shoppers know A) the best country/supplier and B) the best freight method.
      A new Philips wet&dry razor arrived at less than half the local price freight free without ANY local charges applied. The other thing needed is a little patience as this took 3 weeks it could have been 5-7 days with massive extra costs added starting with carrier freight costs.
      
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      February 8, 2018 5:18pm
- skyblue
  
  I have seen his medical records, it is not a pretty picture. He is living on borrowed time and with the pills he is on he is rattling.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:42am
- dime
  
  lol
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:52am
- tf78
  
  I still don’t understand how legally they could charge GST on a product that is not produced or actually sold here, it doesn’t fix the “goods, services tax” criteria. I would have thought the tax would be paid in the country of the supplier to its own government.
  
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  February 8, 2018 10:04am
  - Piniwi
    
    But tf78 it has no bearing where or how the goods were made/produced. GST or VAT are simply a consumption tax paid for by the buyer. NZ has one of the simplest of all with NO exemptions but the downside is goods & and; services. Last addition to every other item charged. It is also why the last increase was a brilliant move by Bill English made tax neutral by income tax cuts. The poor little poofter just can’t grasp it at all. Less income tax = more pay in the hand = equals more GST collected when you spend it. Considering that the low/middle income majority spend all they earn on average. The low paid on their NEEDS if wise and the middle earners get to gain some of their WANTS or save more depending on degrees of wisdom.
    
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    February 8, 2018 5:34pm
- sam green
  
  Funny – I just had to pay GST on some goods purchased overseas. Where did you hear that piece of news? I would be really happy if I didn’t have to pay it.
  
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  February 8, 2018 1:18pm
  - starboard
    
    Oh how terrible for you..
    
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    February 8, 2018 2:46pm
    - sam green
      
      What a clever boy.
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:59pm
  - Ross12
    
    Sam it depends on the value of what you bought. There has always been a figure ( $400 ? ) above which you pay GST on imports.
    
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    February 8, 2018 4:42pm
- Piniwi
  
  Perhaps GazzaW somebody has pointed out to the poofter they stand to make a bigger GST take after their Family package payments start. While this wasted expenditure will do nothing or in fact lessen productivity the increased GST, excise and taxes will show artificial gains.
  
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  February 8, 2018 5:02pm
flipper

Quiet please !!!
The House is having yet another week off so that Peters can have lengthy spells on oxygen and massive blood transfusions.

The poor, lying, duplicitous sod is attempting rejuvenation.
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February 8, 2018 8:31am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Interesting; I have also heard the “blood transfusions during recess” story about Peters from several people within the parliamentary precinct.
  
  One suggested that he may be suffering from chronic leukaemia, and had noticed that his peaks and troughs coincided, in order, with a new parliamentary session beginning, and a three week session ending. Peters would return to the House invigorated at the start of a new session, but by the time three weeks had elapsed was either absent most of the time or pale, shaky and at times incoherent.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:47am
  - Poppa
    
    I have not heard anything myself but he sure shows signs of something as his hands shake quite markedly when holding papers to read.
    
    It does beg the question, how can he be in charge while the princess is away?
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:59am
    - KevOB
      
      Delegate the job to Poohbar Robbo. We need some light entertainment. Perhaps they could second Whaleoil as an economic advisor if Robbo is overworked in the thinking deaprtment.
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:09am
      - Paulus
        
        Poohbar Robbo can now get a retrovirus Aids preventative medication under the Pharmac new introduction for free from 1st April (Fools day).
        Condoms are cheaper though.
        
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        February 8, 2018 2:54pm
    - KiWombat
      
      “his hands shake quite markedly when holding papers to read”
      
      He can’t hold a hip flask when holding papers to read.
      
      I think they call that “D T’s”
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:18am
    - Piniwi
      
      Often Poppa it just part of the aging process one accepts or resists. It has an advantage when the instructions say “shake well before opening”. Alternatively it could be the side effect of medication with so many prone to cause shaking as well as others that are not so visual.
      
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      February 8, 2018 5:43pm
  - flipper
    
    Heard the same Keeping.
    One source has medical training, but is not directly, or indirectly, involved with the S o B, but is a trained “observer.”
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:12am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I’m not criticising you or defending Peters, KS… but I find it interesting that people here are jumping up and down with glee at the idea that Peters might be suffering from a potentially fatal disease.
    
    I can’t remember any other politician (except maybe Muldoon) who was so hated by some parts of the electorate that they literally wished him dead. This speaks volumes about the man.
    
    If he’s as sick as some people hope he is, I wonder what Bill English will say at his funeral? Maybe he’s writing his speech right now…
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:17am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I’m not at all gleeful Dave. If Peters is terminally ill, he shouldn’t be spending his final days trying to prop up a political party that won’t survive his demise.
      
      The question is however, is Peters medically fit to be acting Prime Minister in June, when Ms Ardern goes off to have her child? If he is unfit to discharge those duties, we, the public of New Zealand, should know.
      
      If the rumours surrounding Peters’ health are true (and I’ve heard everything from Parkinsons and Alzheimers to emphysema and leukaemia), I would far rather he retired from public life gracefully, and spent his remaining days with his family and close friends.
      
      Having had my own health issues in recent months including a prolonged period off work, I have come to realise that working isn’t everything, and when I do return to work (hopefully around Easter), it will only be on a part-time basis as I transition towards retirement in a few years. There’s a helluva lot more to life than working every hour God gives you.
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:37am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yes I agree. But I think Peters is so desperate to be relevant that retiring gracefully is probably the last thing on his mind right now.
        
        You didn’t sound gleeful, but whenever Peters’ health has come up on this blog there has always been an element of glee in some of the comments. Again, I’m not pro or against the glee: just noticing.
        
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        February 8, 2018 9:53am
      - Colville
        
        Dave Mann.
        
        Life is a fatal disease.
        No one gets out alive!
        
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        February 8, 2018 10:17am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Don’t worry, KS. Kelvin is ready and willing to step up if needed.
        
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        February 8, 2018 11:48am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        “There’s a helluva lot more to life than working every hour God gives you”. Quite so, one of my best mates died at 46, and he did not say to me “I wish I had spent more time working”.
        
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        February 8, 2018 1:06pm
      - KiWombat
        
        KS – In my dictionary “MS” is a short form abbreviation for “Multiple Sclerosis.”
        
        Hardly appropriate to use it as a form of address for our esteemed wonder woman ?
        
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        February 8, 2018 3:25pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Dave – its comes to separating the person from the role.
      If Winston the person is terminally ill, I wish him as much comfort as is available.
      If there is a chance that WP the politician is out of our hair for good, then good job, I’m delighted.
      Same thing:
      Jacinda Ardern seems like a pleasant person and I wish her well for her pregnancy, although I don’t subscribe with the interest of many.
      Did I vote for her? Not a chance, and I’m horrified that she has any power in this country.
      
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      February 8, 2018 12:09pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Also DM few honestly would wish him ill health of any kind but suspect you too know no two people of his age group are the same how they age. Regardless of how we have lived our lives there is no cure for the aging process. Just accept the changes and limitations and enjoy what you have.
      
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      February 8, 2018 5:50pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    There is something very Weekend at Bernie’s about him these days. God help us when the accidental PM goes off to drop the baby.
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:24am
- Harkman
  
  “blood transfusions” classic. I can’t wait for the toxoplasmosis to set in. If he coughs up black stuff, that’s his insides failing him.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:04am
  - sam green
    
    You’re a nasty piece of work.
    
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    February 8, 2018 1:22pm
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      They say people in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.
      
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      February 8, 2018 1:48pm
      - sam green
        
        Throwing stones or wishing horrific illness on someone. I choose stones.
        
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        February 8, 2018 10:02pm
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The President’s Circus continues . It doesn’t get more surreal than this ,

“Trump requests ‘military parade’ to show America’s might”

US news This afternoon

First reported by the Washington Post and later confirmed by NBC and ABC, President Trump has tasked the Pentagon with planning a parade designed to show off the US armed forces. The cost of the would-be parade is estimated to be in the millions.“With a few exceptions… presidents have avoided displays of military hardware that are more associated in the American mind with the Soviet Union’s Red Square celebrations or, more recently, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un’s efforts to show off his Taepodong missiles.”

NEW: Trump’s “marching orders” to the Pentagon: Plan a grand military parade. My latest with @GregJaffe —> http://wapo.st/2Beb9aQ

Brendan Nyhan
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@BrendanNyhan · 10h
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Brendan Nyhan Retweeted Josh Dawsey
“With a few exceptions… presidents have avoided displays of military hardware that are more associated in the American mind with the Soviet Union’s Red Square celebrations or, more recently, North Korean leader Kim Jong Un’s efforts to show off his Taepodong missiles.”

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@MSignorile · 11h
11 hours ago
Mike Signorile Retweeted Mike Signorile
And who cares about the cost, like the wall? “American shows of military strength don’t come cheap. The cost of shipping Abrams tanks and high-tech hardware to Washington could run in the millions, and military officials said it was unclear how they would pay for it.”

https://twitter.com/i/moments/961028901211287553?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email&iid=a963bde407a74188a43de9eeb6b9fca3&uid=265626089&nid=244+273027072
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- Inandout
  
  stephie is beginning to show memo-mania, squirrels are thrown out increasingly.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:52am
- srylands
  
  ” doesn’t get more surreal than this”
  
  I really doubt that.
  
  So Trump wants a parade. Good on him. The kiddies will love it. It will attract hundreds of thousands. The hot dog stands will go gang busters. A great day for all.
  
  So, on your “surreal” scale, not so high.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:52am
  - stephieboy
    
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    As I suggested it will be like a circus with popcorn and candy floss supplied by the Pentagon and the White House !
    
    LOL yet again
    
    May I say that Washington DC is not Red Square !
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:21am
    - starboard
      
      Shariaboy..the copy and paste swivel eyed loon. Have you moved to Mt Roskilstan yet?
      
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      February 8, 2018 10:05am
- cmm
  
  “Mike Signorile
  Verified account
  
  @MSignorile · 11h
  11 hours ago
  Mike Signorile Retweeted Mike Signorile”
  
  Circuitous self quoting to try build some traction.
  Verified account, so must be true and all.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:02am
- Harkman
  
  You’re losing this one by the day, as the deep state is revealed more as a fact than a fiction.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    Deep state more fact than fiction ?
    
    In what ways ?
    
    Here ?
    
    https://cdn.neow.in/news/images/uploaded/2017/11/1511911662_screen_shot_2017-11-28_at_3.26.40_pm.jpg
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:33am
    - Harkman
      
      You do know that the X-Files is a truer concoction than the lefty “Russia Collusion” fantasy.
      
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      February 8, 2018 11:51am
- KevOB
  
  Better than lobbing nukes at NK. They seem to think at that level so the Pres. may have found a communication method.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:12am
  - stephieboy
    
    KevOB , the US has got on very well since the founding fathers without pretentious displays of military power .
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:31am
    - KevOB
      
      Maybe so, but it does speak to NK. It’s primitive–countries once paraded gunboats. Animals and birds do something similar: the lesser showoff gives in to the bigger. That saves both losing.
      
      Just might take the peoples’ minds off a pending GFC.
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:52am
- Scott
  
  Trump is massively enjoying himself totally driving the left into a frenzy! He wants a military parade, the idea for which he probably got at Bastille Day when he was guest of honour at the French military parade.
  
  As totally predictable the left hate the idea.
  
  I think we have to understand that the left and the Democrat party have totally lost Middle America. They have not won the white vote since 1964. Therefore the left have to bring in millions of new voters as immigrants, both legal and illegal, to win elections.
  
  Ordinary Americans are very patriotic and love the military. The left are very unpatriotic and despise the military. That’s why the left has to bring in millions of illegal immigrants. If they don’t have massive immigration, both legal and illegal, then they will lose elections for the foreseeable future.
  
  That’s why the left is so incensed about immigration. It is an existential issue for them. Without millions of compliant immigrants there electoral chances are doomed.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:19am
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    Scoot , utter codswallop . The US take pride that their military is under the thumb of their constitution and traditionally stayed clear of ostentatious and pretentious displays of military might on the Red Squares in Pyongyang , Beijing , Moscow etc of this world of ours .
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:26am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “The left are very unpatriotic and despise the military. ”
    
    Unless it’s the Left of a communist country, in which case they love military parades… (Re: North Korea)
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:30am
    - stephieboy
      
      Thats right and silly glorified boy scouts in Red Squares inspires the President !
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:37am
  - Peter
    
    Much as I don’t like Trump, the guy is no slouch. He’s redefining the narrative. He’s playing the left at their own game and obliterating them.
    
    They have no comeback. Once their shaming no longer works, what have they got?
    
    He knows what sets them off. Deliberately does it. And his popularity grows amongst those voters who sit on the fence as he allows them to say the things they were thinking, but didn’t feel they could say out loud.
    
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    February 8, 2018 10:03am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Obliterating them Peter, yep, as Ben Shapiro said “Take away the lefts unearned moral high ground, and they have nothing”. Trump is doing that in spades, and the Democrats are all calling out “which ditch should we jump into?”
      
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      February 8, 2018 2:07pm
- waikatogirl
  
  “Trump requests ‘military parade’ to show America’s might”
  
  How SPECTACULAR it will be! Trump showing off the military might of the greatest superpower on earth. Show Little Kim what he is really up against if he chooses to continue on his current determined course of destruction…
  
  Can’t wait to see the parade showing off the mighty USA, USA, USA!
  Brilliant!
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:29am
  - Happychappy
    
    But I thought that problem was fixed WG hasn’t Winston told the world that he could talk Kim round and being the Messiah Winston can do anything.
    
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    February 8, 2018 10:44am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Americans love a good gun fair (liberals generally hate them). I imagine Trump’s will be spectacular. I’d go to see it.
    
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    February 8, 2018 10:47am
Digmen1

Bring it on!
Make America great again.
Every other country does it!
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February 8, 2018 8:42am
- stephieboy
  
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  Digmen1. like North Korea , the Peoples Republic of China and Putin’s Russia ?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMLtkp4AFkc
  
  LOL !
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:49am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    LOL !
    
    Yes Stephie, everyone is laughing out loud. The problem is, they aren’t laughing with you, but AT you 😀
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:52am
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      KS & Srylands , long live the thoughts of Chairman Donald Trump ,the great helmsman !
      
      http://courses.missouristate.edu/dennishickey/Image%2053.jpg
      
      LMAO
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:03am
      - Peter
        
        He’s doing it – in part – to wind the left and the media up.
        
        Divide and conquer.
        
        Working a treat.
        
        And the left and MSM are falling for it like the predictable fools they so clearly are.
        
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        February 8, 2018 12:01pm
  - srylands
    
    Please tell me that you don’t literally “laugh out loud” when you communicate in this forum. Typing LOL is just a stupid habit. Right?
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:54am
    - holysheet
      
      Stooopid is as stooopid does.
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:18am
    - flipper
      
      Naaahhh….
      It is Mason Clinic speak for “I’m nuts”.
      But let us help him. There may still be an open spot at his pre-school inst….
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:32am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Even better, like Hitler and the Nuremberg Rallies.
    I hope Trump supplies the military with some fashy uniforms. Perhaps by Hugo Boss!
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:36am
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      Heil Trump , Heil Trump , Heil Trump !
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:38am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        NURSE!!!!
        
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        February 8, 2018 9:47am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Godwin!
        
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        February 8, 2018 10:29am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Don’t you know it’s recognised when you mention Nazis you lose the argument.
        Twat.
        
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        February 8, 2018 11:35am
- MCos
  
  Long Live Donald Trump Thought!
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:00am
gravedodger

@Tom Hunter, there is a treatment option for TDS, it only requires a bit of counceling and therapy. A quick call to Lifeline could help or you can continue to reveal your “Prat” status.
A quick perusal of Willy Bill’s convoluted machinations around 2S, 1A, and failure to comply that were all expunged by a certain Peanut farmer from Georgia when he made it to the Big House, could be of value.
Of course your other bigly POTUS has no service records that I can find.
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February 8, 2018 8:45am
redeye

Please ignore everything he said in opposition. He didn’t really mean it.

“After years of criticising National for a significant growth in Crown debt to more than $60 billion over the last decade, Robertson now seems to think the state of public debt is the best thing about the New Zealand economy.

As sharemarket turmoil in the United States spread around the world, Robertson said in an interview that he had real confidence in New Zealand’s economic fundamentals.

“Essentially the low level of public debt is a really important part of it.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/101238392/grant-robertsons-uturn-on-public-debt-hints-at-deeper-concerns-about-debt
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February 8, 2018 8:45am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Crown debt is where Robertson will attempt to hide his fiscal hole, which is now significantly larger than $11b, and growing every 100 days.
  
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  February 8, 2018 8:49am
  - stigie
    
    I knew it, i knew it, sweet cheeks is going to have a sore butt down the track a bit.
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:10am
    - Inandout
      
      ‘Alf, I have this problem with fiscal holes, do you have a remedy?’
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:25am
      - stigie
        
        The remedy is your pseudonym, but quickly with a high grade lubricant..?
        
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        February 8, 2018 9:33am
    - starboard
      
      Shouldnt that be ‘up the track’ stigie?
      I wonder if fat boy and alf were present at the ratepayer funded fisting marathon
      Held in Auckland recently?
      ” Gwant, I can find the car keys..I think I may have left them in your arse..can u fart ’em out”
      
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      February 8, 2018 10:17am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes watch this indeed. The debt figure won’t ever drop because Labour needs to expand the money supply to pay the bills. But this will drive up house prices.
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:10am
  - Poppa
    
    That is exactly right KS.
    
    It was always the plan to try & hide it with borrowing & come up with some excuse or other why it is needed
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:13am
    - Piniwi
      
      Hence Poppa we see the growing number of inquiries with some long range time frames for results. The real result will be a lot of patsies getting the blame. More of the old them not us MO.
      
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      February 8, 2018 5:59pm
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I thought a fiscal hole was where a welfare beneficiary’s income generator emerged.
    
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    February 8, 2018 11:09am
  - noskire
    
    Fiscal? Is that the name of Robertson’s boyfriend?
    
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    February 8, 2018 1:13pm
Prince

Entertaining interview on RNZ this morning with Willlie Jackson.
Our Minister of Employment was not aware Maori unemployment had dropped 20% in the last year, and kept denying that was true.
Also denied what Grant Robertson said yesterday that the CoL had no Maori-specific policies to implement or money to spend. Apparently Espiner had made that up !.
I expect H2 will make a couple of short phone calls this morning.
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February 8, 2018 8:59am
- cmm
  
  If I was H2 those would be resignation phone calls. Leave now while you still have a few shreds of dignity left.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:05am
- niggly
  
  The question is, can H2 keep Willie Jackson in line?
  
  I suspect he’s won’t be the same pushover like John Tamihere was (and won’t tolerate being told how to act).
  
  Willie doesn’t hold back on his opinions, even when he is wrong or is exhibiting double-standards.
  
  Willie provides yet another COL schism that could erupt if not carefully managed.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:09am
- KiWombat
  
  He’s been too busy doling out sausages at Waitangi to bother getting onboard with the real stuff
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:23am
- flipper
  
  Willie Jackson ???
  You mean Willie Invoice do you not?
  Just like all the other grasping, lecherous, Jackson family invoice writers. No ????
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:37am
- Jack5
  
  Willie Jackson has Radio NZ in the palm of his hand.
  
  Maori have their own taxpayer-supported tribal radio network, e Whakaruruhau o Nga Reo Irirangi Maori. But they now dominate State radio, Radio NZ, as well.
  
  Similarly, they have Maori TV stations, but get a slice of programming on State-owned TVNZ.
  
  What’s mine is mine, and what’s yours is half mine.
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/312240/rnz-signs-partnership-with-te-whakaruruhau
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:54am
- Piniwi
  
  Funny Prince most thought that Davis was the dumbest of the COL but he far outdone by Jackson and Jones. The natives in the COL all seem to have swallowed what ever Labour fed the pre election as they follow the beneficiary chants of “more”. This could end badly for Labour who while they want the seats they bring they will fall way short of the natives expectations and demands.
  
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  February 8, 2018 6:05pm
Digmen1

If Willie Jackson was serious about reducing Maori unemployment.
He would be advising them to ..
Take advantage of western education (mostly free)
To get a trade.
Learn how to speak and write English correctly.
To turn up to work every day
To stop stealing stuff from your employers and fellow employees.
Don’t expect high paying jobs right from the start, work your way up.
Don’t sit on the couch with Shane’s cousies
Then after 10 years of improvement in these areas, employers may look at giving Maori more job opportunities.
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February 8, 2018 9:09am
- KevOB
  
  What qualifications does a former broadcaster have for the Min. of Labour portfolio? Were these allocated by lot? Has pay been allocated against performance?
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:17am
  - Piniwi
    
    Zero KevOB they are just part of the cost of native seats with the scatter gun method of allocating spoils. That spoiling will simply come at greater cost to the taxpayer while Labour claim to be doing something for them.
    
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    February 8, 2018 6:15pm
- Manolo
  
  As matter of fact, Willie Jackson is….useless.
  Nothing more than a rabble-rouser.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:18am
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes, watch him in Parliament, he is a joke when he is sitting there, and even more so of a clown when he speaks.
    
    ( I did like him on the radio with John Tamihere)
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:27am
    - RalphT
      
      I always used to like watching him on radio with the sound turned down…
      
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      February 8, 2018 10:11am
  - G152
    
    He’ll never be the communist his father was
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:56am
  - Piniwi
    
    Funny to watch though Manolo. Just a gab artist who is all too easy to provoke and run off at the mouth. Evidence he gained little from his media rolls.
    
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    February 8, 2018 6:18pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Jackson is a buffoon. To have been transported into Parliament via a high list placing then given a ministerial role is an absolute travesty.
  
  FFS, he wasn’t even able to answer a simple question just before Christmas about the level of the average wage, yet he is being paid a salary of $250k as a Minister Outside Cabinet.
  
  https://youtu.be/-UntVwp1QQw
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:01am
  - Swifty
    
    That was a disgraceful performance from a man elected to our parliamant and on the public payroll.
    
    We deserve better.
    
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    February 8, 2018 2:16pm
- GoVege
  
  And stop beating up your missus..
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:01am
  - GoVege
    
    Or telling the whole nation that if your missus was unfaithful, you would definitely kill her.
    NOT a good example to other males.
    
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    February 8, 2018 3:40pm
- Piniwi
  
  Or Digmen1 or acknowledge their miniscule native blood akin to special additives in special cement mixes for colour, slow/fast cure or easy floating. Try being more of what they really are rather than what they choose. Only the native elite get to enjoy the settlements.
  
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  February 8, 2018 6:11pm
Manolo

Will the threat work?
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/6/trump-love-see-shutdown-unless-fixes-immigration/

President Trump said Tuesday that he would “love to see a shutdown” over immigration if Democrats don’t come to the table to negotiate on border security and other stiff enforcement measures, escalating the stakes with less than four weeks to go before a deadline for action.
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February 8, 2018 9:25am
Manolo

The incompetent messiah wanted to know:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5362821/FBI-lovers-texts-Obama-wanted-info-Clinton-email-probe.html

An FBI lawyer wrote in a text to her lover in late 2016 that then-president Barack Obama wanted updates on the Hillary Clinton email investigation.

Two months before the presidential election, Lisa Page wrote to fellow FBI official Peter Strzok that she was working on a memo for then-FBI director James Comey because Obama ‘wants to know everything we’re doing.’
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February 8, 2018 9:27am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , Fox ( including you ) are not know for their powers of rational & reasoned analysis ,
  
  “Trump says new FBI texts are a “bombshell.” They’re not.”
  
  This is yet another chapter in the open conservative case against Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.
  
  The problem: We already know none of that is true.
  First, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday that associates of Strzok and Page said the texts were actually about Obama wanting to learn more about Russia’s meddling in the 2016 presidential election — not about the Clinton investigation.
  Second, CNN obtained emails in January that showed Strzok co-wrote the first draft of the letter that Comey sent to Congress in October 2016, announcing that the FBI was reopening an investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails after finding new messages on Anthony Weiner’s laptop. That letter set off a political firestorm just 11 days before the presidential election and hurt Clinton at the polls — so much so See how we’re helping New Zealand businesses to make positive technology changes to their workplaces
  
  Finally, Fox News has the timeline all wrong. As Judd Legum at ThinkProgress noted on Wednesday, Comey closed the Clinton email investigation on July 5, 2016 — nearly two months before Page’s supposedly explosive text. On top of that, the newly revealed texts show that the FBI didn’t learn about the new Clinton emails later found on Anthony Weiner’s computer until September 28, 2016 — weeks after Page’s message to Strzok.
  This means it’s actually unclear what Obama wanted to know, and not the nefarious move Fox News alleges. And it also continues the conservative campaign to discredit Mueller before his probe ends.
  
  That invites the question: Why have the texts become such a big deal?
  
  The answer lies perhaps in the timing of the Fox News piece, which comes just days after a Republican effort to make look Trump look good failed — and days before Trump could squash a Democratic effort that could make him look bad…..”
  
  https://www.vox.com/2018/2/7/16986222/trump-fbi-nunes-texts-page-strzok
  Business
  
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  February 8, 2018 12:17pm
Digmen1

Trump knows how to do deals.
Give me my wall and no more low life immigrants and chain immigration, and I’ll give you your dreamers.
If the democrats don’t take that deal, the Trump will just double down.
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February 8, 2018 9:29am
- AgentBallSack
  
  The best part is that Democrats are showing that they prefer illegals over citizens. This isn’t going down well with the average democrat voting American or the blacks.
  The Black vote is what traditionally wins the Democrat elections – refer JFK and all Democrat Presidents since. As I pointed out in a thread above, Trump has gone from 12% Black approval to 25%.
  Even blacks are starting to realize that unmonitored immigration is destroying their employment opportunities.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:45am
Happychappy

Can anyone point out a column that the excuse for a Journalist Barry Soper has penned since September that has not slagged off National or Bill English for Winston Peters. There is another one in the Herald this morning and I am beginning to wonder who is the pay master Winston or MSM and is NZ First Polling showing a continual downward trend that could see the back of Winston Peters in Politics after or during this political term.
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February 8, 2018 9:29am
- Paulus
  
  Barely Sober is being advised by Whale Oil what to say.
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:10am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Or vice versa…
    
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    February 8, 2018 11:23am
MrTips

I’d say the odds on the CoL surviving this year have considerably shortened this week already.

It speaks volumes when you know your PM is leaving for 6+ weeks and no-one cares, when the MoF backflips like crazy and the business community looks to the leader of the opposition to know whats going on with the economy…

https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/english-warns-against-share-market-panic-be-p-212332
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February 8, 2018 9:30am
- cmm
  
  I think you could be right.
  
  Who actually cares about Cindy’s virtue signaling this last week?
  
  PM is supposed to be an important role, but all she’s done is spend a week touring Northland promising to visit each and every marae.
  
  If she misses just one or two , she can expect to make for a lot of grumpy faces. And what about the maraes in the rest of the country? Won’t they feel entitled to a visit?
  
  Not a peep out of her about anyone else. No condolences or such for West Coast (the roots of Labour back in the early mining days).
  
  She might now have Northland maori eating from her hand, but that is only gained by risking her appeal elsewhere.
  
  She seems to forget that very few people live in her little bubble.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:56am
  - GoVege
    
    She’s getting to know the constituents.
    What’s wrong with that?
    
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    February 8, 2018 12:16pm
    - cmm
      
      Sure, the missing million that don’t vote.
      
      They come to the free grub.
      
      But will they get out of bed on Saturday and go vote? “What’s in it for me, ay?”
      
      Nope, Maori have abysmal voter turn out. Cozying up with a few in Northland is likely just going to cost votes elsewhere.
      
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      February 8, 2018 12:46pm
    - Happychappy
      
      It won’t be long and she will be like you and know who beats their wife and kids, how many fathers are responsibly for their ten children.
      
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      February 8, 2018 3:52pm
      - GoVege
        
        I’m afraid that won’t do much good, HC, unless they bring in laws to make men support their own children.
        
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        February 8, 2018 6:54pm
      - nasska
        
        GoVege
        
        Maori women produce the Maori men they deserve.
        
        There’s something wrong in their heads. If they get a decent man they’ll push him, shame him & mouth off like retards until he gives them a well deserved hiding. Then they’ll claim victim status.
        
        I’ve seen it, I’ve tried to rationalise it but I can’t!
        
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        February 8, 2018 7:02pm
      - GoVege
        
        Nasska: I know full well there are some vicious women around, but most women are “mouthy” and that don’t excuse their men laying into them!
        Quite honestly, I’ve found most Maori women are quite gentle.
        It’s the age-old problem.
        Whoever is bigger and/or meaner rules the roost.
        
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        February 8, 2018 7:36pm
      - nasska
        
        Disagree GoVege. Too many Maori women have an ingrained psyche that goes something like “he gives me the bash so he must love me”.
        
        It is almost certainly a cultural thing. Their mothers got the bash, therefore they must. It’s no wonder that decent men don’t stick around for that shit!
        
        If they can’t see it they’re fucked in the head.
        
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        February 8, 2018 7:43pm
      - GoVege
        
        Nasska: What’s “wrong with their heads” is most Maori have been subjected to and witnessed so much violence from an early age, that it has been normalized for them.
        Instead of being repelled by violence, as they would be if they had experienced a peaceful home life, violence feels familiar to them.
        Don’t blame them for that.
        And please don’t excuse domestic violence.
        It is a terrible thing for anybody to live in fear in what should be the sanctity of their own home.
        
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        February 8, 2018 10:15pm
      - GoVege
        
        BTW, you’re right it is largely a cultural thing.
        Firstly, all sexist societies like Polynesian ones treat women as servants to males, and deserving of physical “punishment ” if they fail to be servile enough.
        Secondly, due to their hypocritical mores about expressing affection to your partner in public, they substitute beatings for affection.
        Some years back a P I male got into a fight while on the booze one night and came home with a few cuts and bruises.
        He was infuriated to discover that his wife, instead of waiting up dutifully til the wee hours for his return to tend to his injuries, had gone to bed.
        So he beat her mercilessly.
        When he was had up, his lawyer claimed that beating your wife was a sign of love in his culture.
        The judge replied that his client must love his wife VERY deeply to give her such a brutal bashing.
        
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        February 8, 2018 10:35pm
Inandout

NBR last year lost 8% of readership, and after the Bob Jones back down they may lose even more. They must be nervous to crumble so easily.
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February 8, 2018 9:34am
- Ross12
  
  I’m surprised it was only 8%. I used to read it a lot but since it has been taken over by the lefties I hardly look at their site.
  
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  February 8, 2018 10:46am
- Doubledimp
  
  Memo to annoying woman on One News who started a petition to remove Bob Jones’ knighthood.
  1. Only the Queen can remove a knighthood
  2. You are not the Queen
  3. Do you think after 60 years of living with Prince Phillip that the Queen is even the least bit sensitive about things like this?
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:01pm
waikatogirl

Researchers have found the ‘on/off ‘ switch for inflammation. Being able to disable out of control inflammation may halt or even reverse cancers, Alzheimers, etc.

Woohoo to the brilliant boffins in the world.
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February 8, 2018 9:37am
- KevOB
  
  Can you cite your inflammation switch source please.
  We have marvellous product which is switching off pain caused by inflammation. The ingredients have been in use 3000 years.
  
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  February 8, 2018 10:01am
  - waikatogirl
    
    3000 years?
    
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    February 8, 2018 10:05am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Source: News Hub
      
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      February 8, 2018 11:38am
    - KevOB
      
      Black cumin seeds were found in King Tut’s tomb.
      I expect the ones I use are more recently harvested.
      There are some amazing natural healing oils that are now being looked at closely and validating their traditional usefulness.
      
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      February 8, 2018 12:50pm
Manolo

Merkel’s ruinous and disastrous legacy:
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/02/germany-34-refugees-import-130-family-members-and-second-wives/#.WnsdppeaJtg.twitter

Figures from northern Germany say 34 refugees brought 130 family members to Germany. That’s almost four times the number of people who applied.

According to German law, those affected have to bare the costs for the entry themselves. But as soon as they are in Germany, the state (the taxpayer) will pay the costs.
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February 8, 2018 9:58am
- Jack5
  
  Meanwhile the coalition gyrations of Merkel the Mad show that MMP is as big a shambles in Germany as it is in New Zealand.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/07/germany-coalition-deal-cdu-spd-angela-merkel-martin-schulz
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:59am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Designed by the Yanks to prevent Germany from being strong ever again.
    
    NZers: Yes! Let’s adopt an electoral system designed to keep us weak!
    
    Golf clap!
    
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    February 8, 2018 1:03pm
    - Jack5
      
      German MMP evolved from the proportional system used in Germany and under which Hitler rose to power.
      
      When the Western allies returned self-government to Western Germany, the Germans chose MMP, which was the old system modified. One of the modifications was the 5 per cent threshhold, which some in NZ want to abolish.
      
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      February 8, 2018 1:28pm
Digmen1

Not only that they will breed like rabbits.
Just like the guy who drowned in Auckland the other day with five children!

Its a wonder someone has not shot her!
She will go down in history as one of the worst leaders and traitors ever.
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February 8, 2018 10:00am
- MCos
  
  My Mum had seven kids.
  I’ve just been for my annual myxomatosis vacine.
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:04am
- stephieboy
  
  Digmnen 1 , the five children your example of a local version of the demographic time bomb slowly ticking away ?
  
  LOL
  
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  February 8, 2018 12:20pm
Digmen1

Why do illegal immigrants to the west claim that they fled because it is dangerous where they live, yet they leave their wives, mothers, sisters and grandmothers there!
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February 8, 2018 10:05am
- fernglas
  
  Because it’s a lot more dangerous there for men of fighting age. Also, given the hardships involved in making the journey, it makes sense for the strongest to go by themselves. That’s the logic, by the way. Downtick your arses off if you like, but I assume that you will be down ticking migration per se rather than the reasons behind the men making the journey ahead of the women.
  
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  February 8, 2018 10:18am
  - simpleton1
    
    So perhaps that is why niqabs and burkas became a meme in following Mohammad.
    
    A disguise for the men to gain some respite from their manly duties, and still remain “honorable”.
    
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    February 8, 2018 10:43am
- Paulus
  
  Because the are happy to leave their female families there – especially Mother in Law, and can try a new woman as often as they like.
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:13am
EAD_TWO

I was wondering where RealityCzech is hiding out and looks like he is in the sinbin for bad behaviour:

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy

Some other points of note – Stephieboy is up to strike 5, 1 ahead of Redbaiter on 4.

Also jogs my mind on other one-time Kiwibloggers like SCORPION AND BEESTING who turned up in the 6 months before the General Election pretending to be NZ First voters who TYPED IN ALL CAPS.

In hindsight, perhaps they were actual NZ First Voters 🙂
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February 8, 2018 10:16am
- fernglas
  
  I have seen many letters written by DERANGED individuals WHO BELIEVE THEMselves GODLIKE. The use of capitals for emphasis is very common.
  So, New Zealand First, lots of capitals, belief in one’s personal godliness and a hint of derangement? Maybe they were NZ First LEADERS!!!!!
  
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  February 8, 2018 10:22am
  - RalphT
    
    “Maybe they were NZ First LEADERS!!!!!”
    
    Bullshit. You know very well that NZ First has, and can only have, one leader.
    
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    February 8, 2018 10:29am
    - fernglas
      
      Capitals are also the province of people with SPLIT personalities. I have seen at least two Winstons, and there may well be more!
      
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      February 8, 2018 12:05pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  From what I get from DPFs post to RealityCzech, he won’t be coming back. The post says “Your commenting privileges are suspended”. To me that reads the strikes were just a matter of employing the ban. I could be wrong though.
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:01am
  - RalphT
    
    ABS, I think it might only be a short suspension; under the strikes section it says “RealityCzech – 1st strike 1/4/17, 2nd and 3rd strike – 3/2/18”, so only a one week holiday by the looks of it.
    
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    February 8, 2018 11:12am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      If he got a ban for every time he alleged I, and other commentators were pedophiles that day, he would be gone forever.
      
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      February 8, 2018 11:18am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        WoO commented some time back that climate change deniers were equal to worse than pedo’s and stephiebitch agreed.
        
        How about those two fuckers get a good ban as well.
        
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        February 8, 2018 2:41pm
kowtow

Culture’s a funny thing , and student antics in different parts of the world reveal so much about a society …………

In the US at Spring Break girls flash their titties for the boys , here in Dunedin during O week they get up to all sorts things , while in Pakistan “Mashal Khan, 23, was stripped, beaten and shot by a gang made up mostly of students last April before being thrown from the second floor of his dormitory at Abdul Wali Khan university in the north-western city of Mardan, ” for blasphemy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/07/mashal-khan-death-sentence-for-pakistan-blasphemy-murder
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February 8, 2018 10:32am
- Digmen1
  
  All the more reason to keep muslims in muslim countries.
  
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  February 8, 2018 10:35am
- Manolo
  
  Would our stephieboy, pious Muslim, agree with the punishment? 😀
  
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  February 8, 2018 10:40am
Herodotus

How many times will we see this ?
The old CEO was dismissed, but nothing changes, in fact they only get worse !!! With a breach of Banking covenants. From someone in the industry a breach is not good and what are these directors doing. Compliance of covenants should be disclosed at every meeting with any potential of a breach discussed and actions taken to avert any.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/101251147/fletcher-building-board-expects-more-bi-losses
Timing just magic the same week as a drop in international markets, great for shareholder confidence and share values.
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February 8, 2018 10:48am
Right of way is Way of Right

So, a years free tertiary education…… perhaps not!

I’ve just been advised by a friend of mine that his daughter is not eligible to receive a years free tertiary education, the reason why will stagger you! Apparently she is ineligible because she achieved over 60 level 3 NCEA credits!!

Yep, apparently if you do really well at school, work hard and get good results, you get to pay to go to university, while the slackers and ne-er do wells get to take a year free.

Mind you, I guess that is great training for living in a socialist workers paradise!

This is as contained on the Studylink website, and confirmed by the staff at the local tertiary institution!

The young woman in question was unaware of this until she got an invoice for several thousand dollars!!
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February 8, 2018 11:08am
- Poppa
  
  This deserves a wider audience, I am sure very few people know of this change in stance.
  
  I certainly did not know there were any exceptions but nothing surprises me with this bunch of fools.
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:16am
- mikenmild
  
  I thought that did not apply to credits earned at secondary school.
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:37am
  - mikenmild
    
    From the feesfree website:
    
    not have previously undertaken more than 60 credits (half a year of equivalent full-time tertiary education or 0.5 EFTS) at level 3 or above on the NZQF, including tertiary education at an equivalent level in any other country. This excludes any tertiary education undertaken while enrolled in a secondary school.
    
    https://www.feesfree.govt.nz/faqs/
    
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    February 8, 2018 11:48am
- RalphT
  
  Right of way, your friend should take this up with the Minister if necessary. In his statement of 5 December he said
  “If you’re a New Zealander who finished school in 2017, or if you will finish school during 2018, you qualify for a year of free provider based tertiary education or industry training in 2018. If you’re not a recent school leaver, and you’ve done less than half a fulltime year of education or training, you also qualify”
  If your friend’s daughter was it school last year then she should qualify. I know that some of the universities talked to officials about some of the very bright students who did some university papers while still at school. I think the response was that so long as they had taken less than half a year’s study they were ok (and it is possible that even if they had done more they were still ok, so long as they were still at school). The intention was not to rule out the very brightest, who after all are the ones we want to encourage to go to university.
  
  It is possible that the daughter’s 60 credits were not NCEA but tertiary work done while she was still at school, but either way she shouldn’t take any bullshit from the institution or StudyLink and should hold the Minister to his words.
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:59am
- cmm
  
  Well there’s a lesson that will last a lifetime.
  
  She will likely benefit from this in the end. If she no longer views the state as the solution for all her problems she is far more likely to be motivated to do stuff on her own bat and end up earning more in the long run.
  
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  February 8, 2018 1:01pm
UpandComer

http://www.etfo.ca/BuildingAJustSociety/EquityResources/Pages/SocialJustice.aspx

Here is Canada’s new reading list for 5-7 year olds.

Herb the vegetarian dragon
My princess boy
Girls hold up this world
I am Latino, the beauty is me

Daddy’s roommate

The Librarian of Basra
Seven sacred teachings: Nilswaazi gagikwekwin
The boy in the dress
The sissy duckling
Our new home: immigrant children speak
Kids on strike

Oh and ones left out: it’s called ‘grandpops sleepy medicine’

Euthanasia is on the list for the indoctrination, alongside homosexuality, transvestism, queer theory, Islamic indoctrination, racism against Canadians, self hatred and pedophilia.

I know it’s not pleasant. But euthanasia is a vote for pedophilia and whatever the fuck that list represents.

That abomination of child abuse represented by that list is going to come to NZ under Grant Robertson and Marama David’s government, and euthanasia is a vote for that pile of excrement of child abuse.

It’s like a parody of every possible item of progressive child abuse you could name, but more perfect. Check out the authors.

Every. Single. Time.

But just a reminder, a vote for euthanasia is a vote for the same philosophy of self determination theory soon to be abusing your children with titles like ‘Daddys roommate’ ‘the sissy duckling’ ‘my princess boy’ ‘the boy in the dress’ and ‘grandpops sleepy medicine’.

They are coming for our children. They already have them in Canada. They have them in Victoria. They have them in most of the United States. Don’t let them have them in New Zealand. Don’t vote for euthanasia, which is an emanation of the same philosophy producing this kind of pedophilia and child abuse, especially boy abuse.
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February 8, 2018 11:10am
- Jack5
  
  Upandcomer at 11.10 includes in his post: “…euthanasia is a vote for pedophilia”
  
  That is nonsense, ridiculous nonsense.
  
  If you are going to talk about paedophilia and child abuse you better think about what has gone in Catholic (and some other ) churches in regards to this. This abuse has been by people rigidly opposed to euthanasia.
  
  Churches that don’t allow marriage have atracted homosexuals, as well, especially in more puritanical times.
  
  What is “self-determination theory”? Is it the opposite to having some religion or theory or political system determine your life for you?
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:40am
  - UpandComer
    
    It’s another progressive paradox. We are all a one world equal community. Therefore the only acceptable form of government is socialism.
    
    But we are also individuals completely disconnected to all other entities, what we do has no effect on anyone else at all, truth is subjective and relative, our life is atomistic, therefore all that matters is the subjective decision.
    
    Euthanasia always always always leads as I’ve demonstrated to the abolishment of age of consent laws for sex and all its forms, and other versions of the philosophy like transgenderism.
    
    All that matters is the sovereign individual. If a 5 year old is particularly mature, who are you to say she can’t have her vagina torn to pieces, implanted with a fake phallus, and her endocrone system burnt out with massive amounts of testosterone?
    
    Who are you to say someone with no objectively observable malady isn’t in unbearable pain?
    
    Who are you to tell someone absent pain their life has meaning and value?
    
    I can absolutely destroy every euthanasia voter as the hypocrites they are on these issues. Absolutely destroy you. If you vote for euthanasia, then you have no right to, for example, protest the government coming to take your son away to have his penis removed at 5 and to be given to a gay man to make love to, because that is the 5 years olds self determining will, and you are irrelevant. That law exists, right now, in Canada.
    
    Euthanasia voters need to stop pretending that the issue exists in isolation.
    
    As for the Catholic church, I’ve said it before, once an institution becomes appropriated by the homosexual movement, it dies. The obvious link between all these priest’s homosexuality and what ‘some of them’ did to little boys (a lot of the class actions are money fishing expeditions) miraculously seems to have been overlooked.
    
    Tell me with a straight face, that those titles are anything but the most almost tragicomedical brain washing operations for kids.
    
    Tell me that’s what they should be learning instead of Aesop’s fables or Greek myth (where echoes of pagan sexualiry exist but always in the context of moral lessons) or Grimm’s tales, or shit even famous five.
    
    The backlash to this absolute fuckery is going to be terrible. The Canadians are fucked in the head. They don’t seem to understand that once the Muslim kids are a majority, their parents will stab in the neck anyone trying to teach that utter trash.
    
    But back to my point. Euthanasia is an emanation of the same logic. Jordan Peterson courageously noted this to Cathy Young. It’s not my problem. Deal with it.
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:25pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Thank you UpandComer,
      
      Your posts are consistently amongst the very best on Kiwiblog. Someone that really understands what the hell is going on.
      
      It would be great if DPF would allow you to do a guest post.
      
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      February 8, 2018 10:32pm
GoVege

Anyone notice the lone protester at Waitangi, a tattooed dude complaining about “poverty”?
It’s like they really have no idea about what causes it.
(Of course it doesn’t help if you are unable to read and discover new concepts.)
The idea of working for a living, using contraception to reduce the number of your dependants, and saving for a home, all seem to be unknown strategies to many of our earliest settlers.
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February 8, 2018 11:20am
- Longknives
  
  There were actually quite a few Protesters at Waitangi – (I have contacts in the Police)
  Just not as violent as in previous years and the Media, for reasons one can only guess, just weren’t interested..
  
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  February 8, 2018 12:09pm
  - Inandout
    
    Makes a change from when the media ‘just happened’ to be present at protest sites when National were in power.
    
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    February 8, 2018 12:21pm
stigie

We need to have a conversation about this GoVeg and find someone who will set up an enquiry and then the findings can be heard in 2023..?
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February 8, 2018 11:30am
- GoVege
  
  Nah, stigie, we just need to add it to the “lifeskills” courses but start it in primary school.
  What really needs to be factored in, which society doesn’t like to face, is that many kids will get NO support, and even active discouragement, from their excuses for parents.
  We need to explain to kids the why’s and how’s of succeeding in life.
  We need to impress on them they have a RIGHT to an education, not to be free babysitters for mum’s cash cows. That is HER job.
  We need to ensure that the money meant to feed, clothe and educate kids goes to those kids, not their parent’s addictions.
  And if parents sink so low as to pimp out their own children, as hundreds do in South Auckland, they need to be prosecuted.
  
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  February 8, 2018 12:41pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    GoVege, Prof Jordan Petersen tells his students who come from disfunctional homes to start by tidying their room. He says it will be amazing how far that little bit of personal organisation will radiate. How much control they will feel. He says other members of the family will show resentment and say things like “so you think you are better than us”. It is all about gaining control from the chaos of your life. Start small and continue to build on the order.
    
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    February 8, 2018 1:29pm
    - GoVege
      
      Sounds great, WG. 🙂
      
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      February 8, 2018 3:30pm
stephieboy

Fox Faux News is reaping some very bad habits . Sigh !

“Fox News’ latest ‘bombshell’ on Obama and the FBI is a total fraud”

Trump is already tweeting about it.

“ Early Wednesday, Fox News published an explosive new story alleging President Obama sought detailed briefings about the Clinton email investigation. The report is based on texts between FBI agents Peter Strzok and Lisa Page released by the Senate Committee on Homeland Security on Tuesday.

In a text sent on September 2, 2016, Page tells Strozok that “potus wants to know everything we’re doing.” Fox News claims this text “raises questions about Obama’s personal involvement in the Clinton email investigation.”

Fox News is hyping the story on air repeatedly as a bombshell, calling it “shocking.”

President Trump, an avid viewer of Fox News, got the message.

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump

NEW FBI TEXTS ARE BOMBSHELLS!
5:10 AM – Feb 8, 2018
 91.8K
 56K people are talking about this

There is just one problem: The entire Fox News story is a fraud…..”

https://thinkprogress.org/fox-news-latest-bombshell-fraud-def2fc228456/
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February 8, 2018 11:40am
- AgentBallSack
  
  I aint clicking on that shit.
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:44am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes, it’s a spyware, hack job.
    
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    February 8, 2018 11:54am
  - stephieboy
    
    ABS , then try this as a diversion ,
    
    Trump built his own “deep state.” Now he needs the GOP to save him from it.
    
    Trump hired the people he now believes are out to get him
    
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/7/16974178/trump-deep-state
    
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    February 8, 2018 12:05pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Oh yeah, VOX is MUCH better. /sarc
      How does it feel having a 6’2″ orange goblin living in your head stephie? How much does Soros pay you to spread lies and disinformation? Not much if it’s based on quality I am assuming. Wake me when WaPo, CNN or HuffPo publish it.
      
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      February 8, 2018 12:16pm
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS , I have good reason to be most skeptical of your dubious links . Especially in respect of this kind of thing ,
        
        http://www.politifact.com/personalities/sean-hannity/
        
        and ,
        
        http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/
        
        Your gullibility is pretty shameful !
        
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        February 8, 2018 12:22pm
  - Inandout
    
    I just down click stephie and move on.
    
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    February 8, 2018 12:22pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout , you’re not the sharpest knife in the alt rigther draw .
      
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      February 8, 2018 12:26pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Is that the best you’ve got Stephie; personal abuse?
        
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        February 8, 2018 12:46pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Problem is you can’t stop him from shitting up your posts with moronic replies. Though he is good as an agitprop to send people scurrying to Papa Trump.
      Disclaimer – I am not stephieboy
      
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      February 8, 2018 1:02pm
      - Gabby
        
        Smuggy wants to know if that’s the best personal abuse you’ve got Ancient ArseCrack.
        
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        February 9, 2018 7:48am
- Harkman
  
  The lefty MSM don’t even cite thinkprogress.org
  
  All Fox did was display actual emails from actual deep state crooks. Sounds like Stalin shooting the messenger again.
  
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  February 8, 2018 11:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkman , “..display the” actual emails “from deep state crooks “???
    
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    February 8, 2018 12:08pm
- Manolo
  
  Time will tell how much your idol Obama knew, stephieboy.
  
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  February 8, 2018 12:41pm
  - axeman
    
    Yep. Walphy doesn’t realise that these texts and emails are just tidbits. The Inspector General has
    
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    February 8, 2018 7:12pm
    - axeman
      
      … all the relevant incriminating evidence in his report due next month. In the meantime McCabe, Comey et al, and yes even Barry, will have to endure quite a few sleepless nights (and quite a few watery poos) LOL LOL LOL
      
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      February 8, 2018 7:26pm
Ross12

The latest from DC is someone has leaked the contact list from Anthony Weiner’s laptop –about 650+ politicians, media people etc.
Given the laptop is under the control of the FBI you have to think there is, at least, one angry FBI person wanting total exposure. But it is not the contact list that is possibly important but what else he/she could divulge —someone is putting a “shot across the bow”.
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February 8, 2018 12:07pm
- Inandout
  
  Once leaks from the FBI rank and file were pretty much unknown, but given their crooked bosses, well who knows? Just to think Weiner’s Muslim wife was as close to Hillary as her underwear, and the US closely escaped the Islamic one.
  
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  February 8, 2018 12:28pm
- cha
  
  The latest from DC is someone has leaked the contact list from Anthony Weiner’s laptop –about 650+ politicians, media people etc.
  
  Fake news.
  
  The list was part of the 2013 Guccifer hack of Sidney Blumenthal and it’s been online since at least August 2016.
  
  You’re right. It’s not even from Weiner. It’s from Sidney Blumenthal’s AOL contacts.
  
  Search “guccifer sid blumenthal” on https://cryptome.wikileaks.org/
  
  You’ll find the contacts spreadsheet which is identical.
  
  It came from Sidney Blumenthal’s hacked AOL account, which was pwned by Guccifer the Romanian hacker.
  
  According to the tweet archived by Cryptome, the file was released to the world on 2016-08-25 which was about a week before Guccifer was sentenced.
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7vq8ho/squawker_is_reporting_that_a_disgruntled_fbi/dtuot8d/
  
  https://cryptome.org/cryptome-2016.htm
  
  http://gawker.com/5991563/hacked-emails-show-hillary-clinton-was-receiving-advice-at-a-private-email-account-from-banned-obama-hating-former-staffer
  
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  February 8, 2018 7:09pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Sources:
    Reddit, Cryptome and Gawker
    You really are a special sort of fucking retard cha. Worse than stephie because he’s too retarded to know better LOL
    Please. For fucks sake (and humanity) don’t breed
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:52pm
    - cha
      
      You’re touting fake news but hey, 4chan kiddies don’t do facts
      
      btw lolly boy, how’s the action going
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:10pm
Digmen1

Syria.
Its a mess, and the whole country has been destroyed.
Why don’t the remaining rebels just surrender, or dissipate into the desert.
They are obviously losing.
And it would save further bloodshed an destruction.
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February 8, 2018 12:24pm
- simpleton1
  
  To show their full martyrdom to the Mohammedan ideology, belief, and so gain paradise.
  Blood is needed, for that paradise, and the martyrs blood also allows about 70 other relatives to gain some good words to Allah to also gain paradise.
  For others it is a Mohammedan justice on the people, who did not believe enough.
  
  Hitler did similiar in causing malevolent destructive mayhem, as he seemed to blame the people of Germany in not committing enough to his losing ideology, while losing the war.
  Just why did he not top himself even a few months or even more , earlier?
  
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  February 8, 2018 1:17pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes, I take your point about German and Hitler.
    After D-Day they had no chance of winning and were being bombed to shit.
    But they did not surrender.
    They did try to assasinate Hitler.
    Oh well, more fool them!
    
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    February 8, 2018 2:13pm
    - simpleton1
      
      It is difficult for reason to survive and persevere when faced with terror from an ideology.
      
      A tragic attempt by intellectual German Resistance
      https://ncowie.wordpress.com/2008/04/05/the-white-rose-society/
      
      http://white-rose-studies.org/The_Leaflets.html.
      
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      February 8, 2018 2:42pm
- KH
  
  Today the Syrian Army cleared almost the of ISIS out of the pocket in Hama. And what did the US do. They bombed the Syrian Army in Deir Ezzor.
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:49pm
Inandout

This is so funny. The Dems must be so gullible.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5355713/Adam-Schiff-spoofed-Russian-claim-nude-Trump-pic.html
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February 8, 2018 1:04pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Replace gullible for desperate. Pelosi just finished up a 5 hour speech where she thanked all Dreamer parents for breaking all of USA’s laws to get their children into the country. They really are dedicated to the complete destruction of America.
  
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  February 8, 2018 1:26pm
  - Inandout
    
    Five hours? Shit the average Dem has barely a 5 second attention span. Trump’s planned military parade is a brilliant display of the armed forces, and a subliminal message to the snowflakes. The more screaming lefties on display the more voters will swing to the right.
    
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    February 8, 2018 2:46pm
- Fletch
  
  The Democrat narrative is falling apart. Every day new revelations come out that make them look worse and worse. I think they thought that once they won that Hillary would clean all this evidence and it wouldn’t matter. Instead it is all coming out and yes, it’s worse than Watergate.
  
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  February 8, 2018 5:53pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch,
    
    “The Democrat narrative is falling apart.” ?
    
    According to whom and in what way ? Fox ( Faux ) News ?
    
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    February 8, 2018 7:17pm
Fletch

An expert points out that climate models don’t work.

Emeritus Professor of Physics at Princeton University Will Happer explains –

I’m a physicist. I taught at Columbia University and then at Princeton for five decades.

I have published over 200 peer-reviewed scientific papers. I have coauthored several books, including one of the first on how carbon dioxide emissions—CO2—affects the climate.

I served as the director of the Office of Energy Research at the US Department of Energy. And before that, I invented the “sodium guide star,” which is still used on most big astronomical telescopes to measure and correct for atmospheric turbulence—that is, for the unpredictable movement of air and water. This turbulence blurs the images of stars and other space objects.

One more thing: I care deeply about the environment. We live on a beautiful planet. I want to keep it that way. I’ve spent a lot of time working to do just that.

In short, I know a lot about the earth’s atmosphere and climate. I also know a lot about long-term predictive climate models.

And I know they don’t work. They haven’t worked in the past. They don’t work now. And it’s hard to imagine when, if ever, they’ll work in the foreseeable future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZN2jt2cCU4

I’ve pointed this out before as well – we’ve had 30 years of scientists predicting this and that about the climate and how many of the predictions have come true? Nothing that I can remember.
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February 8, 2018 1:31pm
dime

did i read this right?

shit head murderer gets 14 years non parole.. but not the maximum. even though hes on his second strike.

apparently 17 years would be unjust..

this is what he did:

“At the trial it was heard Puna delivered 13 full-forced kicks to Beale’s head, an assault that latest between 45 minutes and one hour, before urinating on him and leaving him for dead in the seaside settlement.”
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February 8, 2018 2:39pm
- rangitoto
  
  Another dud judge.
  
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  February 8, 2018 2:54pm
- Poppa
  
  He is just misunderstood, ask Kelvin
  
  If he gets a cuddle he will reform into a model citizen.
  
  That Judge should be stood down
  
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  February 8, 2018 3:00pm
  - Longknives
    
    “That Judge should be stood down”
    
    Considering the Judge who gave bail to Christie Marceau’s Murderer (After he had already Kidnapped and tried to rape her) never even got as much as a slap on the wrist…
    I think we are pissing into the wind expecting accountability from NZ Judges.
    
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    February 8, 2018 3:17pm
  - cmm
    
    Perhaps DG or some other legal wonk will know:
    
    Has a judge ever faced any discipline/censuring in NZ for their failure of judgement?
    
    I’m not talking about getting pissed and crashing a car or such, more about their actual failure on the job.
    
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    February 8, 2018 3:37pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      CMM:
      
      This isn’t quite the answer you’re looking for: Supreme Court judge Bill Wilson became the first serving judge to quit after misconduct allegations:
      
      In essence, Wilson was accused of not disclosing a conflict of interest when he heard a case in which one of the lawyers involved was his friend, Alan Galbraith QC, with whom he co-owned a horse-breeding business, Rich Hill. It was claimed Wilson owed Galbraith money.
      
      So the “misconduct allegations” didn’t turn on his professional competence (in the sense of his ability to analyse a case and prepare a judgement based on sound legal reasoning) but, rather, on his professional judgement (in the sense of his failure to disclose a potential conflict of interest).
      
      It’s standard practice for a judge to declare a potential conflict of interest at the start of a proceeding, and for counsel to indicate whether or not they’re happy for the matter to proceed.
      
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      February 8, 2018 4:09pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        CMM:
        
        Here’s an Australian example: Sydney judge Garry Neilson rebuked over 17-hour judgment
        
        The state’s highest court has rebuked a Sydney judge for reading aloud an epic 17-hour judgment over four days, costing taxpayers and the parties thousands of dollars in court and legal fees.
        
        There are numerous unflattering comments in the Court of Appeal judgment. But the judge gets to continue hearing cases – with one exception.
        
        Judge Neilson was referred to the Judicial Commission in 2014 after he said that, like homosexuality, the community may no longer see sexual contact between siblings, as well as between adults and children, as “unnatural” or “taboo”. The commission found in 2015 that it was no longer appropriate for Judge Neilson to hear cases involving sex crimes.
        
        So the judge gets to continue hearing cases – except for sex crime cases.
        
        More details here:
        
        Judge Garry Neilson suspended until NSW Judicial Commission determination over comments comparing homosexuality to incest
        
        NSW Judicial Commission finds Judge Garry Neilson should not hear sex cases
        
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        February 8, 2018 4:50pm
- Digmen1
  
  Unbelievable.
  
  Well at least he got 14 years non parole.
  
  What were the “judges” reason for saying giving him a second strike would be manifestly unjust.
  
  His laywer said he did not realise that he might kill the poor guy!
  
  And to think that the victim had offered him some of his vodka etc.
  
  Its in their DNA.
  Violent thugs they are like pit bulls, they can turn on you at any moment.
  
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  February 8, 2018 3:36pm
  - mikenmild
    
    The prosecutor did not ask for life without parole, and the judge agreed.
    
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    February 8, 2018 4:51pm
Manolo

How much did the messiah know?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/07/new-strzok-page-texts-call-into-question-obamas-2016-statement-on-fbi-probes.html
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February 8, 2018 2:58pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , not very much . Posted this earlier. Repeated so as to rub unto your nose ,
  
  Trump says new FBI texts are a “bombshell.” They’re not.
  
  This is yet another chapter in the open conservative case against Peter Strzok and Lisa Page.
  
  The problem: We already know none of that is true.
  First, the Wall Street Journal reported on Wednesday that associates of Strzok and Page said the texts were actually about Obama wanting to learn more about Russia’s meddling in the 2016 presidential election — not about the Clinton investigation.
  Second, CNN obtained emails in January that showed Strzok co-wrote the first draft of the letter that Comey sent to Congress in October 2016, announcing that the FBI was reopening an investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails after finding new messages on Anthony Weiner’s laptop. That letter set off a political firestorm just 11 days before the presidential election and hurt Clinton at the polls — so much so See how we’re helping New Zealand businesses to make positive technology changes to their workplaces
  
  Finally, Fox News has the timeline all wrong. As Judd Legum at ThinkProgress noted on Wednesday, Comey closed the Clinton email investigation on July 5, 2016 — nearly two months before Page’s supposedly explosive text. On top of that, the newly revealed texts show that the FBI didn’t learn about the new Clinton emails later found on Anthony Weiner’s computer until September 28, 2016 — weeks after Page’s message to Strzok.
  This means it’s actually unclear what Obama wanted to know, and not the nefarious move Fox News alleges. And it also continues the conservative campaign to discredit Mueller before his probe ends.
  
  That invites the question: Why have the texts become such a big deal?
  
  The answer lies perhaps in the timing of the Fox News piece, which comes just days after a Republican effort to make look Trump look good failed — and days before Trump could squash a Democratic effort that could make him look bad…..”
  
  https://www.vox.com/2018/2/7/16986222/trump-fbi-nunes-texts-page-strzok
  
  Get it ?
  
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  February 8, 2018 7:23pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    LMAO LOL HAHA FFS 😎
    
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    February 8, 2018 8:56pm
Fletch

Justin Trudeau is a complete tosser…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSe3vQCRXvI
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February 8, 2018 3:18pm
- Longknives
  
  Taking time out from his busy schedule of fake ‘Photobombs’ is he?
  This guy is a complete fraud- No wonder our own little liar Jacinda seems to have a massive thing for him..
  
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  February 8, 2018 4:23pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Saw him described as a “Himbo”. Seems apt.
    
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    February 8, 2018 6:07pm
Happychappy

Barry Soper is not happy with doing only Winstons dirty work he now throws his tuppence in with gossip on resignations likely from National. Soper is past his use by date as a Journalist and needs to be put out to pasture by MSM.
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February 8, 2018 4:02pm
- Digmen1
  
  I agree.
  He never had the courage to make a call on who NZF would go with last election.
  But National should have double down on Winston, and said that they would not do a deal with him, and that a vote for Winston IS a vote for the COL.
  
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  February 8, 2018 4:58pm
Digmen1

Labour dropping National Standards, and Charter schools will be going.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11990549

This is madness, and is driven by left wing idealogy.

When National get in, I expect them to double down on this, within the first 100 days.

Make all schools Charter schools
Only hire new teachers if they do not join a union.
Make the teachers unions illegal.
Bring back National Standards
Ensure that teachers teach all Maori children how to speak and write proper English or loose 10K.
Ensure that 50% of all new teachers are male.
Remove any and all social engineering in schools.
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February 8, 2018 5:05pm
stigie

This is the problem Digmen, introduce all of the above and National will be kicked out of office after 3 years.
That’s too much for the snowflakes to take !~
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February 8, 2018 5:11pm
- Digmen1
  
  Why? Do it straight away, and then we have 3 years for it to bed down, and the snowflakes to be outvoted.
  
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  February 8, 2018 5:20pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  There’s a possible solution:
  
  1. Set up the Education Party.
  2. Stand for election on a “raising education standards” manifesto and get lots of votes.
  3. Go into coalition with National.
  4. With an Education Party + National parliamentary majority, pass a law that makes it illegal for any past or present teacher to stand for Parliament.
  5. Then, for good measure, pass a law that makes it illegal for anyone to vote for Labour or the Greens at a general election.
  
  Job done 🙂
  
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  February 8, 2018 5:22pm
Salacious Crumb

Reposted from another topic;

Meanwhile this gets snuck through with a small byline in the so called Herald; hang your head in shame Hipkins.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11990549

David Seymour is right on the money; “Struggling kids were having their lives turned around, but this Government will massacre the schools for a combination of ideology and union utu.”

Typical socialist dogmatism; always ends up hurting those it purports to help.
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February 8, 2018 5:34pm
- mandk
  
  100% correct, SC.
  
  Hipkins’ wish to close the charter schools is quite the most craven and vindictive policy of the CoL to date.
  
  He wants to push kids who are currently thriving back into the very system that failed them.
  
  It’s nothing at all to do with the kids’ welfare. It’s all about pay back for the teachers unions.
  
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  February 8, 2018 5:44pm
Morrissey

This is what happens when you have a Klan-endorsed POTUS

https://www.theroot.com/texas-woman-indicted-after-yelling-racist-slurs-at-inte-1822619664
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February 8, 2018 5:56pm
- Inandout
  
  ‘Though Congress passed legislation designed to curb Klan terrorism, the organization saw its primary goal–the reestablishment of white supremacy–fulfilled through Democratic victories in state legislatures across the South in the 1870s’.
  
  Good old Dems, eh?
  
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  February 8, 2018 6:35pm
  - rangitoto
    
    When Killery lost, the dems had their greatest outburst of anger since the republicans freed the dems slaves.
    
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    February 8, 2018 7:25pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout .,correct , but the world has moved on since the 1870s with the GOP now the established political power in the deep south amongst white voters.
    
    How did that happen ?
    
    The GOP and the Southern strategy ,
    
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Southern_strategy
    
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    February 8, 2018 7:28pm
Ross12

Just heard some of Larry William’s interview with Alwyn Poole.
A couple of points:
1. He said most of the kids coming to his schools are at about 35% on the “scale” for literacy –ie. well below average. But their extensive data shows they accelerate at a rate of 1.5yrs/year under their programs so when they go off to secondary school they are normally up to speed.
2. About 95% of their kids are Maori or Pacific Island kids —given that, it does not seem to be great political move.

Did we not learn last week something like 1.0 million kids are under achieving ? I think Hipkins will get a massive back lash on this.
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February 8, 2018 5:58pm
- lifesgood
  
  I sincerely hope there is a back lash. What an absolute F***ing disgrace! Unfortunately any back lash will not be reported in the msm so the public will just shrug and think it is acceptable.
  
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  February 8, 2018 7:20pm
slightlyrighty

Chris Hipkins announcing that Charter Schools are to close will backfire hugely against Labour. Hundreds of CHILDREN who were finally getting the help they need are now to be sacrificed on the alter of political expediency, and middle New Zealand will be angered at this.

Remember whn schools were due to be closed in Christchurch post earthquake, and the parade of kids and parents from an anguished school community berating the National Government for doing it?

I will wait for the media to give the same treatment to these Charter School students. I hope I am not waiting in vain.
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February 8, 2018 6:13pm
- nasska
  
  ….”announcing that Charter Schools are to close will backfire hugely against Labour”…..
  
  But it won’t……unfortunately. Maori as a group do not value education. There are obviously exceptions but generally Maori treat their academic achievers in the same way as crabs pull potential escapees back into the bucket.
  
  They may start out alright at 5yrs of age but by the time they head off to college the poisonous barbs about acting white will have taken their toll.
  
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  February 8, 2018 6:45pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Maori as a group do not value education.
    
    Maggy would disagree with you:
    
    Hahahahahaha… been into schools lately?
    “Why are you late for class, young man/lady?”
    “Polyfest practice, Miss”
    “Kapa Haka practice, Miss”
    “Band practice, Sir”
    “Sports trials, Whaea”
    
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    February 8, 2018 7:04pm
    - nasska
      
      You’re largely onto it Nostra. The feminised education our grandkids suffer disadvantages Maori males like no other.
      
      Generally, their parents don’t expect them to achieve & in the absence of educators rather than woman looking for a part time job with extended holidays there is absolutely nothing to inspire them.
      
      To say that the system is fucked is the understatement of all time.
      
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      February 8, 2018 7:16pm
  - Ross12
    
    I’m not sure on your comment about Maori valuing education –maybe 20years ago.
    But Pacific Island parents, in general, do value education and via those South Auckland churches there could be a fight back.
    BTW. I’m not sure what sort of contracts these schools had with the Government or doesn’t Chippy care about the law.
    
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    February 8, 2018 7:32pm
Manolo

It is payback-time for the unions regarding charter schools. Left-wing ideology rules the roost claim Hipkins and the Labour Party.
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February 8, 2018 7:15pm
slightlyrighty

On 23 July 2017, Kelvin Davis promised to resign if 2 far north charter schools were closed by Labour.

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/335647/davis-threatens-to-resign-if-two-charter-schools-closed-down

On 08 February 2018, Labour introduced legislation to close all charter schools. Kelvin Davis has a choice to make. Either vote against the bill, or keep his promise and resign
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February 8, 2018 7:49pm
slightlyrighty

Peeni Henare and Kelvin Davis are both on record as supporters of charter schools. Willie Jackson is on a board that runs one.

If these 3 voted against the bill, it cannot pass.
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February 8, 2018 7:56pm
Digmen1

I hope there is a huge back lash.
And I hope those 3 vote against the bill.

But the electorate knew that Charter schools were under threat if Labour got in.
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February 8, 2018 8:13pm
Digmen1

I have always hated the teachers unions.

Now I hate them even more.
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February 8, 2018 8:14pm
Digmen1

Get those 3 Labour MPs email address, and beg them to cross the floor and vote against the bill.

Its easy, you can do it!
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February 8, 2018 8:15pm
Jack5

China’s industrial revolution has been an outstanding success, and now comes its agriculture revolution – look out NZ exporters.

The South China Morning Post reports that as hundreds of thousands of tiny farms close, unable to meet pollution standards, huge “sow farms” are being set up.

Several hundred farms, each with 5000 to 8000 head of pigs, will open this year.

Live-hog futures began trading this week. Using these, farmers can hedge risks.

Fang Shijun, chief researcher at research firm Huitong Data, is reported as saying there will be an increasing surplus in Chinese pork production over the next three years.

The South China Morning Post says:

In the long-term, it also could turn China’s pork producers into international competitors, offering quality, competitively priced meat to regional markets.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/policies-politics/article/2132351/inside-hi-tech-megafarms-transforming-chinas-pork
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February 8, 2018 8:57pm
Digmen1

Yes, China has huge areas of land, and I have always thought that they could use it on a vast scale.
And their climate zone is similar to ours.
They grow kiwi fruit, they are buying our dairy cow stock.
But maybe they don’t have enough good land to feed their own huge population.
China has always had lots of pigs.
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February 8, 2018 9:47pm
- cha
  
  Around 15% of China’s total land area can be cultivated and they have about 10% of the total arable land in the world supporting 20% of the world’s population.
  
  And to make things worse, 40% of China’s arable land is considered to be degraded.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_China
  
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  February 8, 2018 9:56pm
  - Jack5
    
    As a small agriculture-dependent country we tend to overlook the agricultural power of China.
    
    It has a huge population, but also has a land area about 36 times that of New Zealand. About 55 per cent of China’s land is agricultural. This compares with about 43 per cent of New Zealand’s land.
    
    According to the CIA World Factbook, China is the world leader in gross value of agricultural output, as well as world leader in industrial output.
    
    China’s present swing from tiny land holdings looks similar to the enclosures that were part of the Agricultural Revolution in Britain, which paralleled the first Industrial Revolution.
    
    Moving farming from five to 15 acre family holdings to large, mechanised units is agriculture’s equivalent of industry moving from village workshops to city factories.
    
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    February 8, 2018 11:52pm
Digmen1

@Jack5
You make a good point about Cnina moving from small holdings to large mechanised units.
If that is being done it will increase their agricutural production.
But it will also increase their unemployment.
So the Chinese leadership will need to move steadily,
You cannot have 300 million people unemployed, and without a farm to work or live on!
And will they buy the farms or just take them?
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February 9, 2018 6:03am
Manolo

Attacking the imbecile Trudeau:
https://www.mediaite.com/online/piers-morgan-slams-justin-trudeau-you-spineless-virtue-signaling-excuse-for-a-feminist/
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