General Debate 7 February 2018

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KiWombat

The tree deficit will hit the 30 million mark sometime in the next 24 hours.

We have heard that the trees need to be planted at a specific time of year, and by that time the deficit will have grown another 20 million – so with that in mind I ask the following:-

“Has the government ordered ANY trees – and if so HOW MANY?” 50 million trees will only get half-way to the annual target, but at least it’s a start !

“Has the government organised anywhere for the trees to be planted?”

“Has the government organised any personnel to plant the trees?”

“Has the government organised any vehicles to deliver the trees?”

(This might look like a petty question, but 50 million trees at – say – 3Kg each will weigh over 150,000 tonnes when palletized, and that will require many thousands of truck loads to move.)

Of course there are all sorts of peripheral questions that could be asked about this massive undertaking, but lets first see how they manage in the first tree planting season.
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February 7, 2018 8:01am
- RalphT
  
  Truck loads? Surely with such a Green project the government will insist on using horse and cart?
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:10am
  - KevOB
    
    Electric light rail to the planting sites.
    
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    February 7, 2018 8:41am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      Oh goodness me no – carried by the recently unemployed, by hand.
      
      See comrades, not only trees but zero unemployment. All hail MLP, Princess Clacker and her baby, Helen Junior!!!
      
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      February 7, 2018 10:17am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Sorry Kev, no business case for LRT. On second thoughts, don’t need a business case, just give Auckland the money, Twitford says Auckland will get LRT.
      
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      February 7, 2018 6:24pm
  - Harkman
    
    What this really means is the government actually needs to plant more trees to cover the side affects. Which also means that the KB “Government Tree Deficit” maybe understating the deficit.
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:00am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Just a little correction – the seedling trees weigh only about 100 – 200 grams, nothing like 3 kg.
  I did tree planting back in the 60’s to earn money during my holidays. With a haversack holding arould 100 seedlings and armed with a spade, one can plant about 5 or 6 trees per minute.
  Just saying (but I gave an uptick) 🙂
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:12am
  - cmm
    
    Don. Sure it is possible to plant 5 to 6 trees per minute, if you are a productive conscientious person – in which case you are likely already employed and generating value in the economy.
    
    However they are hoping to use the people you find in the sawdust swept off the pub floor. I figure 10 per hour is going to be a stretch.
    
    Anyway, at this stage it’s all conversation…
    
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    February 7, 2018 8:24am
    - igm
      
      Imagine the ACC costs for back injuries of these unemployable slobs . . . probably will be required to join a union before commencing so as to be conversant with claiming.
      
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      February 7, 2018 8:37am
    - Lance
      
      I had a friend at school whose father was a railways supervisor in the 1970’s.
      When investigating why a shed was taking so long to be built he discovered the crew were playing poker.
      The loser of each round had to go and nail a sheet of iron up.
      
      Same here I would imagine
      
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      February 7, 2018 11:38am
    - Que Sera Sera
      
      cmm.
      I do know that they will not ask any of the regular KB zombies, they are far to busy sitting on KB all day criticizing all the good people going about their business.
      
      For your information , I suspect that all the planting will be done by existing Forestry Management Companies, and there are several of these in existence. They already have their own staff.
      Also likely that planting will be done by a combination of machine, where possible, and by hand.
      When by hand under a contract system, very high numbers can and will be achieved.
      
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      February 7, 2018 1:30pm
  - KiWombat
    
    Thanks for that Don. I based my calculation on the little trees I get from Bunnings which all seem to be a few kilos.
    
    Even so, there will still be many thousands of tons of seedlings to be transported, and thousands of hours work to plant them at 6 trees per minute.
    
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    February 7, 2018 8:24am
    - cmm
      
      The seedlings you plant like this are bare root trees or – at an absolute maximum – trees in root trainers.
      
      They are not in pots like Bunnings/nursery trees.
      
      You can pick up a box of a hundred trees under one arm.
      
      I would say Don’s estimate of 200-300 g is an over estimate. Probably 50-100 grams is more like it.
      
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      February 7, 2018 8:39am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Yes cmm – I think you are correct. But it’s over 50 years ago since I did it – 50 grams then would feel like 200 grams now 😉
        
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        February 7, 2018 9:26am
      - cmm
        
        Yup Don, I’m not quite where you are yet, but everything is getting heavier, the floor seems further away when I bend down to pick something up and my arms are getting shorter.
        
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        February 7, 2018 9:37am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Yeah cmm.
        76th year looming in a few months, and desperately trying to stay in shape and keep off excess weight. Was a bit of a slob last winter during my facial cancer surgery and hit 83kgs. So on a plan now – down to 76kg, aiming for the most-of-my-life weight at around 72kgs. But I can still tounch my toes with knees straight – have to do that to stop my sciatic nerve giving mr greif.
        
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        February 7, 2018 10:11am
      - KiWombat
        
        Can’t imagine you will be lining up as a volunteer planter this time Don !!
        
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        February 7, 2018 10:34am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Bloody right there, KiW
        
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        February 7, 2018 11:30am
  - G152
    
    Did poplar poles in a cockies conservation project in the 60s
    A whole lot slower than seedlings
    
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    February 7, 2018 8:36am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    How long did it take to refill the haversack then? Accordingly it only took 20 minutes give or take to plant them and then you would have to walk back to get some more, how did the logistics work?
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:15am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      I was working for a tree planting contractor named Lou Baker. He had a few thousand seedlings on the back of his old Landrover. He would park – say – at the bottom of a small valley, and we planted the trees up the sides. So plant one seedling, take 3 steps up the hill, open the ground with the spade, insert the seedling and tramp the hole closed. 3 more steps up, spade,plant, tramp and so on. Walk back down the hill to the LR and get more when you ran out. Rarely had to walk more than 200 yards, but yes, time taken. From memory, Lou, my mate and I would plant about 1000 – 1500 trees each per day
      depending on the terrain and scrub.
      
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      February 7, 2018 9:34am
      - KiWombat
        
        Based on your experience then, it would require about 10,000 teams of three, and 10,000 LandRover trucks to do the job?
        
        Should inject quite a stimulus to the economy, slash unemployment numbers and see a whole lot of 4wd utes entering the country over the next few months.
        
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        February 7, 2018 10:39am
      - RF
        
        Don… been there done that but I was a fit lad.
        
        I just cannot see the unemployed being involved in the land clearing and then planting, without constant supervision.
        
        The logistics will be mind blowing. Accomodation, Transport, food, medical aid for blisters, adverse weather conditions…
        
        Tell the man he is dreaming.
        
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        February 7, 2018 12:51pm
    - KiWombat
      
      – – and I wouldn’t mind getting the order for the 30,000 shovels eh what ?
      
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      February 7, 2018 10:45am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Are you in the ‘Shovelling business’ are you, KiW ? 😉
        
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        February 7, 2018 11:32am
- pdm
  
  Have they even organised the seedlings to enable the plantings?
  
  They just do not magically appear.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:35am
  - cmm
    
    “Have they even organised the seedlings…?”
    
    No but they’ve probably had a conversation about how to set out the terms of reference for starting a conversation about the logo and the correct Maori title for the focus group which will set up the process for a hui.
    
    Until we have the terms of reference it is far too early to guess what the hui is about.
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:30am
- Yvette
  
  As has been mentioned before, estimates would suggest the 100 million tree project would need land equivalent to a strip 1 kilometre wide extending from Wellington Airport to Auckland Airport (state highway1) and back 1 kilometre wide the other side of the highway to 2 km short of Taupo.
  How is Shane doing with organising the land needed?
  
  How many people are required at present to water and tend the 4 million trees he has already supposedly acquired – all of the seedlings available at present.
  Why no PR pictures of that already?
  
  50 million trees are planted anyway each year. Why can Shane not access all the figures of those operations and just double them to know where he stands?
  
  And, Take Care! – that Shane does not fuzzy the media with statement confusing those 50m trees with his 100m.
  Already he has stated something like he will only be able to plant 20% this year in comparison, so this year “We will only plant 55m.”
  No, Shane, you might manage to plant 5 million – if you can find 1 million to go with the 4m you already say you have.
  The 50m are other organisations, unless you took 4 million of their seedlings and they are knocked back to planting only 46m this year
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:09am
  - simpleton1
    
    Easy to meet the targets to be planted in the back-blocks.
    
    It was known that a young fellow, feeling a bit tired, would have a nap, then empty the bag into a hollow, and return for refill.
    Then the next young fellow would do likewise, as they covered for each other in the gang.
    
    Just who counted what was planted?, but that days target was met. 🙂
    
    Trees always ‘evaporated’, not planted properly, under pruning, and thinning, to another 25 years to eventual harvest.
    Who counts?
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:32am
  - cmm
    
    This is a free tree planting exercise for Ngati Pinus.
    
    All Maori lands will get free plantations paid for by the stupid white fullah.
    
    Along with a free pine plantation, they will get an extra payment for taniwha food to help guard the plantations.
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:33am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You don’t water the seedlings…. they have to rely on natural rainfall…. hence the importance of the plants having good root systems, being planted when rain is likely and the need for proper planting (roots not exposed, squashed, damaged, etc).
    
    Usually the land will need site preparation (scrub cleared, spot spraying of creeping weeds, tall grasses, before planting occurs).
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:55am
    - KiWombat
      
      So the scrub clearing and weed spraying should be happening about now?
      
      This is one of the peripheral issues I referred to. I suppose we will see Shane and his family in the MSM soon liberally squirting glyphosate over huge tracts of land in readiness for the mass planting !
      
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      February 7, 2018 10:04am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Wash out your mouth KiWombat!
        The Greenies are going to ban glyphosate.
        
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        February 7, 2018 12:19pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Can’t imagine them getting down on all fours to do some weeding Shaun – maybe a flamethrower?
        
        But team Green would object to the effects on some insect or another !
        
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        February 7, 2018 12:28pm
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Flamethrower!!!
        But the smoke would cause something or other to harm the air, and the heat – all that glocal warming, the insects would scream out loud, and the birds would get their feelz hurt.
        Great Scott man, do you not have a care?
        
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        February 7, 2018 1:45pm
    - Que Sera Sera
      
      Maggy, at last someone on here with some clue about forestry, good to see.
      
      Where there is an abundance of broom and gorse, then line cutting is needed before planting.
      Prior to that poles need to placed to get the lines sorted.
      The contractors will know how many per hectare are required.
      
      I see much criticism of Shane Jones on KB, but planning is the essence, and that takes time to get all ducks in a row.
      However, I doubt Jones give two stuffs about KB anyway.
      
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      February 7, 2018 1:49pm
      - Piniwi
        
        But QSS Jones falls short at the planning stage and he is desperately walking back his numbers. He doesn’t have a clue but it would be a giggle watching him trying his shoes let alone trying to plant a pine tree.
        
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        February 8, 2018 12:47am
- dime
  
  remember when the trolls here said the word “cycleway” everyday for years?
  
  well they can eat shit. its all about the billion trees now!
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:57am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Good point dime. And, funnily enough, the trolls have shut up about those same cycleways, for a very obvious reason – they got delivered. I enjoy riding them and have done so for years. Even got involved lobbying for them and helped with planning and delivery.
    
    The current tree thing is reliant on Shane Jones doing some actual work. To say he is lazy is to say Jacinda has a great set of chompers – truly an understatement of epic proportions.
    
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    February 7, 2018 10:23am
- Piniwi
  
  Apparently KiWombat Jones has people out counting the self sown trees from discarded Christmas trees to be recorded as early planting of the grand plan. The reward for the interns is a job for life with the New Forest Service thus saving on advertising costs. No work for the dole but jobs for the boys instead.
  
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  February 7, 2018 2:46pm
stigie

With all the gushing and promises to mouldy over the last five days, im expecting the taxpayers princess to be coming away with a moko any day soon and possibly Gayford..?
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February 7, 2018 8:01am
- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha Unlikely- I think a scribble face tattoo might ruin Clarke’s popularity with the Bimbos on Ponsonby Road..
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:05am
- Paulus
  
  Will the new immigrant Oath of Allegiance have to be performed in Maori to the Treaty of Waitangi and not the Queen now as she indicated I understand at Waitangi.
  Perhaps her mouth dribbles more as she is pregnant.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:16am
  - RF
    
    I hear tea bags are good for soaking up dribble….
    
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    February 7, 2018 6:34pm
- tf78
  
  I heard a very well spoken elderly ( Maori I think) man on ZB last night. Sounded like he was from up north and has attended all Waitangi celebrations upper and lower marae annually, he said there was a lot of deals done in the Copthorne over the five days. I would love to have been a fly on the wall.
  Incidentally, he said from the Maori point of view the niceness delivered to Jacinda was just a PR stunt.
  
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  February 7, 2018 12:58pm
  - RF
    
    Cindy is a very shallow immature person who is rapidly proving that she is a thicko.
    
    Her promises will come back to haunt her….
    
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    February 7, 2018 6:33pm
Inandout

Ruby lips on TV3 referred to the Dow drop as a ‘bloodbath’. She is getting as bad as Garner when he drops words about Trump, no evidence, just words. And Chester Burrows….just retire quietly mate.
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February 7, 2018 8:05am
- geoff3012
  
  Bad. But know where as bad as Jack Lame and that silly blond bimbo on one……
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:31am
Andrei

Let’s begin the day with a laugh – or should we be crying?

Well Canadians certainly should be crying.
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February 7, 2018 8:05am
- Inandout
  
  Is that a Canadian audience?
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:10am
- JibberJabber
  
  I guess to be truly cuck correct it should be Hu-peoplekind?
  Now that word M A N is to be expunged from the lexicon.
  Gonna be expensive for one truck manufacturer.
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:18am
- labrator
  
  Oh the hu-people-ity…
  
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  February 7, 2018 10:24am
VicParking

I notice that anyone and everyone is writing an open letter to Jacinda asking for money, a commission or Discussion? on one thing or another.
It has not taken long before people have realised that the fairy and her fairy friends will listen to any sob story. When will they realise that listening and doing something about it are two different things.
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February 7, 2018 8:09am
Dave Mann

… Onanistic virtue signalling at lunchtime.

I went into the Sawmill Cafe at Leigh during the weekend, and, I kid you not, these precious little petals have decided that straws are not politically correct because of the ‘harm’ they do to the environment!

Here’s their pathetic bleating lecture as delivered on their menu: (quote) “WE ARE PROUDLY STRAW FREE. Those little suckers are no good for our NZ beaches. If you are desperate to use one we have paper straws available at 50c which gets donated to help a local beach cleanup group.” (unquote)

What has NZ come to, when a business can condescendingly lecture to its patrons like this and get away with it?

I nearly vomited with disgust at these people’s onanistic arrogance and I was going to tell them to shove their virtue signals up their arses… but then I was further stunned to hear from some members of our group that this is perfectly acceptable nowadays because it shows that the business ‘cares for the environment’!

Am I crazy, or has our society taken leave of its senses? What’s going on here? How many fucking STRAWS are there on NZ beaches and if there are any at all on Leigh’s foreshore, did they just walk there themselves from a cafe 500m from the nearest shoreline?

Wankers.
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February 7, 2018 8:10am
- Inandout
  
  Well if you insist on occupying organic cafes you will hear this shit. Even the website is so PC.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:14am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Yeah I guess so… mea culpa. If I had known it was organic I wouldn’t have gone in… but good point.
    
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    February 7, 2018 1:17pm
- itstricky
  
  Wankers.
  
  Snowflake. Plastics are bad for the environment, particular marine. Business decides to not to utilise them, out of their own volition, as a free enterprise, able to do whatever they think appeals to their customers.
  
  KB up in arms! That’s right folks – KB up in arms! LOL. Come on guys, if you’re so upset like it, don’t go there!
  
  And, yes, you’ve just written paragraphs about straws and called them ‘wankers’ – you are upset.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:38am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Plastics are bad for the environment
    
    Wrong. Plastics are GOOD for the environment because they (usually) don’t break down (i.e. rot) into their component chemicals and plastic is manufactured into literally millions of extremely useful things, many of which are used as containers tor stuff which would otherwise pollute the environment.
    
    Like so many people, you have mindlessly bought into a popular meme that ‘plastics are bad for the environment’ without actually thinking it through for yourself.
    
    PEOPLE who litter beaches and throw plastic into the ocean are bad for the environment… but the plastics themselves are wonderful, useful, cheap and extremely beneficial to humans.
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:21am
    - Swifty
      
      Well said.
      
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      February 7, 2018 10:44am
    - itstricky
      
      Semantics. You know what I mean, but you’re choosing to skirt around the English involved with your “plastics are useful” statements. Of course they are. But they aren’t that helpful in a bird’s guts. Or in the:
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pacific_garbage_patch
      
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      February 7, 2018 11:11am
    - GoVege
      
      Bit like “guns don’t kill, people kill”?
      
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      February 7, 2018 4:51pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        I realise you’re trying to be clever…. but no actually its not the same at all. Your logic is false.
        
        The ONLY purpose of guns is to kill people, and therefore it makes sense to EITHER remove guns from society OR make the penalty for shooting at someone or threatening with a gun punishable by instant death.
        
        The purpose of plastics is entirely different. Plastics were created to make humans’ lives better, more healthy, safe and convenient and they are amazingly good at this. Totally different to guns.
        
        Additionally, plastic does not find its way into the sea all on its own; it is either dropped there intentionally, or it gets there through inattention and sloppy waste disposal protocols.
        
        The answer is not to ban plastic. The answer is to make intentional dumping and littering and sloppy waste disposal a serious offence with harsh monetary penalties.
        
        itstricky made a smart reference to ‘straw Mann’. Yours is the classic illustration of the straw man argument.
        
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        February 7, 2018 5:40pm
      - Sponge
        
        The ONLY purpose of guns is to kill people,
        
        Absolute fucking nonsense. My guns purposes are to kill rabbits, duck and deer (incidentally this is good fro the environment).
        
        I agree that the cafe owners are future signalling wankers but you are totally wrong about firearms.
        
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        February 7, 2018 8:05pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Good observation Sponge. I’m wrong. I was thinking about handguns when I wrote my comment, but I forgot about guns for hunting so I was generalising too much.
        
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        February 8, 2018 8:50am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Oh Tricky,
    A plastic straw comes with your drink – a paper straw costs you 5c.
    I’m with Dave, they’re wankers.
    
    The Dimpost had a article last week advising us on how to be environmentally conscious – they said you had to ask for a glass or metal straw. Ew.
    
    Mind you they also said I wasn’t to use teabags anymore because the cotton string and the paper label causes environmental damage and the staple kills fish in the ocean.
    
    Wouldn’t a paper straw be just as harmful?
    My teabags don’t have staples in them.
    
    Noddies, all of them.
    
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    February 7, 2018 12:27pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      Thanks for your agreement…. but I’d like to point out that you were out in your costing by a factor of TEN! The price that these wankers want to charge for a paper straw is 50c not 5c….!!!!!
      
      p.s. sorry, I reported you by mistake
      
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      February 7, 2018 5:44pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Tucker Carlson intervied a Dem over new legislstion in California looking to fine staff that get caught issuing straws.
  
  Tucker asked the Demtard if a mandatory life sentence would be handed down for issuing a plastic fork?
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:38am
- Muttonbird
  
  Yes, they really need to cater better for those who can no longer chew.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:42am
  - Dave Mann
    
    That’s ME!! 😀 😀 😀
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:06am
    - labrator
      
      There’s a certain humour in someone who struggles with mastication calling others wankers.
      
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      February 7, 2018 10:36am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Only if you have problems understanding long complicate English words of four syllables.
        
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        February 7, 2018 11:05am
      - labrator
        
        Or you missed the play on words. Easy come, easy go… there’s another one for you.
        
        Kiwiblog sure does love angry reactionaries!
        
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        February 7, 2018 1:23pm
- srylands
  
  People don’t behave in ways consistent with their pronouncements.
  
  The New World in Thorndon Wellington is in a prosperous area and full of prosperous customers. I’d guess if polled these customers would say plastic bags are evil. However you go to the supermarket any evening and it is packed full of these people carrying their groceries to their suvs in plastic bags. I’d say at a rate of 100 bags a minute on a busy day.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:52am
  - GoVege
    
    Someone said on KB recently that plastic bags are not harmful because they break down into microscopic pieces.
    They do. …and end up in your lungs.
    
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    February 7, 2018 4:53pm
- Inandout
  
  Play this Catheine Tate video next time in the cafe.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4usAhEvMKZ4
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:11am
- doggone7
  
  I assume you reckon that those who leave plastic bits and pieces all over the landscape are also onanistic arrogant wankers.
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:49am
  - itstricky
    
    He seems more interested in virtue signalling about virtue signalling.
    
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    February 7, 2018 11:52am
    - labrator
      
      Yes, this is definitely a straw Mann argument if ever I saw one.
      
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      February 7, 2018 1:28pm
- lifesgood
  
  I wonder what they would do if you turned up with your own straws? I think I’ll keep a box in the car, they cost stuff all at the supermarket.
  
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  February 7, 2018 12:31pm
Happychappy

Will the sharemarket crisis around the world claim another scalp today when the NZ market opens and wipe billions of dollars off NZ Shares as has happened around the world. How will sweet cheeks handle this challange and is he up to it.
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February 7, 2018 8:10am
- cmm
  
  ” How will sweet cheeks this challange”
  
  A) Start another conversation
  B) Blame Trump
  C) Capitalism has failed.
  D) Herald Exclusive: “First Baby Ultrasounds”.
  E) All of the above.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:29am
  - Harkman
    
    There was an 87% chance of E) but the odds of D) are firming by the minute.
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:03am
- VicParking
  
  Won’t be so great here because we don’t have so much electronic trading.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:31am
Paulus

Great to see Annette King’s appointment to Canberra.
That should be fun as she was/is a great party goer.
That should stuff our relationship with Aussie further.
Thought she was going to get London but assume Cullen will get that instead – he is even a bigger twat than King.
WINSTON – you said there would be NO ex Political appointments under your watch – so what goes – assume you have been bought off with more baubles.
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February 7, 2018 8:12am
- Happychappy
  
  I wonder whether she will give Darren a invite to join her for another one of those party’s that he likes to be a part of.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:28am
  - cmm
    
    If so Cindy might have to go bail her out of Mannus Island.
    
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    February 7, 2018 8:30am
    - sooty
      
      Are the aussies starting to rubbish taxinda? Does she have to go and pour oil on troubled waters. Will Cullen go to London? I think he should go even further, like Mars. Useless twit!
      
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      February 7, 2018 9:41am
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        Does Darren get free air travel?
        
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        February 7, 2018 11:16am
  - Inandout
    
    She may give Darren the bums rush.
    
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    February 7, 2018 10:24am
    - KiWombat
      
      If only he can keep his pants on this time
      
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      February 7, 2018 10:50am
- holysheet
  
  When will you finally realise that this clusterfuck of a govt says things and does nothing about it. What was said before the election by these fuckers is not to believed now they are the govt.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:29am
- KKKKatee
  
  But, but, but…..
  The PM campaigned on ‘transparency’ in her Govt….
  Note to oneself – never believe a word the PM says….
  Obviously she and Peters don’t talk to each other…..
  He says, she says etc. etc etc.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:58am
- cas
  
  If as Claire Trevett says this posting was an unwritten understanding of the coalition negotiations how many more unwritten understandings are there
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:46am
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    Still a few pages more!
    
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    February 7, 2018 11:14am
Poppa

An early heads up for anyone on holiday next week.

Looks very much like a cyclone which will form around Fiji will make a visit to our shores. Exact track still to be confirmed but the models are in general agreement that it will come our way.

If it comes in from the NE direction it has the potential to cause a lot of damage to eastern parts of the North Island.
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February 7, 2018 8:14am
- KiWombat
  
  Better post a warning in camper vans heading around east cape so they don’t get caught again !
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:28am
- alex Masterley
  
  I’ve been watching that with concern.
  I am involved in a sailing event for four days during which time I anticipate the cyclone will appear.
  I think i will take work with me to the event venue to fill in the down time.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:38am
oldpark

Been reading almost daily how the Fijian born person from another blog site puts the boot into Bill English.
He acts like a coward when he denies that the real elephant in the room or is it NZ a pest for all reasons and seasons called Peters.
Rumour has it the Fijian born blogger got the fear of a massive libel case if he again mentioned the comment .That Peters was an” unemployed pensioner from St Marys Bay Auckland”,when he failed to get elected in 2008.
Now the Fijian born blogger is in the business of arse licking a speciality,for the pest for all reasons and seasons Peters.
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February 7, 2018 8:14am
- cmm
  
  Fijiboy (and his missus) have been absolutely relentless. I’ve only read a few of his articles, but there seems to be no weight to them – just the sort of vitriol we see from a complete Hillary fan mouthing off on Trump.
  
  Bill is doing pretty well on the Preferred PM stakes even though The Baby has scored Jacinda a recent uptick.
  
  Slater has got to be careful what he says if he doesn’t want his beg-a-thon money to dry up.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:52am
- KKKKatee
  
  I see today he couldn’t resist having a crack at Bill English – again. On the hand, a commentator has brought to the attention of WO readers, back bench MP who could possibly be a future National Leader – Chris Penk. I like what I read and he far outclasses Ardern in terms of achievements and I’d go so far as intelligence as well. I quote from Sally ‘His background includes BA in Linguistics at 19, Officer on the Te Kaha, youngest aide-de-camp to GG at 22, Navigation Officer on an Australian submarine, Law degree at 29, set up own Law firm’. Makes Ardern look very unintelligent……
  MSM, if you’re reading KB, please zone in on this chap and start promoting him as a future leader for National. Thank you.
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:08am
  - dime
    
    Chris Penk went to Kelston boys so you know hes a good bastard.
    
    Waitakere man will like.
    
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    February 7, 2018 10:02am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Well thank goodness he doesn’t have a background poncing around on stage in his capacity as President at International Socialist Youth Movement rallies shouting “Comrades”!
      That’s reassuring indeed.
      
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      February 7, 2018 10:29am
  - KiWombat
    
    Yes Penk is making a name for himself very early on – one to watch !
    
    Helensville will be pleased !
    
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    February 7, 2018 12:32pm
  - lifesgood
    
    I’m disgusted with WO and this relentless anti BE campaign. It has got to the point of insanity and I know for a fact is turning lots of his readers away. I had started to think that the only good thing about his site was his wife, SB, but even she is in on the act now. So I strongly suggest everyone avoids/ignores his site.
    
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    February 7, 2018 12:41pm
  - oldgolfer
    
    See piece he wrote for Spinoff.
    Impressive.
    
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    February 7, 2018 6:24pm
- KKKKatee
  
  On the other hand, it’s obvious that Peters reads WO. So that’s good. I’m wondering just how many other MPs’ read WO to get the vibe of what readers have to say about them. Wondering if NZ’s answer to Theresa May/Maggie Thatcher reads WO and gets the mood of the nation……
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:22am
  - howitis
    
    Whoa!
    You can’t put T. May and Baroness Thatcher in the same sentence.
    Verboten!
    
    May is a suitable name. She may do this or may do that but in reality does nothing.
    Her deliberate stuffing up of Brexit is anti democratic .
    She is part of the current cult of ‘do nothing/talk a lot ‘ flakes around the world:
    May or May-not;
    a cucking great example of peoplekind Trudeau;
    TurnBULL;
    gerontophile Macron;
    and of course the plastic and porcelain princess locally.
    None of these are fit to carry the Baroness’s handbag.
    
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    February 7, 2018 12:24pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      Thank you for correcting, enlightening me.
      I rather disrespected Thatcher then when comparing her to Ardern.
      
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      February 7, 2018 3:18pm
- Piniwi
  
  But oldpark in his struggle for originality they resort to being just a cut and paste Media party repeater station. Most are gathered trolling for the narrative content they favour.
  
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  February 7, 2018 3:11pm
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Trump Goes Quiet as the Stock Market Slumps

The President who gloated over its rise now is silent over its slump . I wonder if his genius followers like “ The Apprentice “ , Manolo can explain this ?

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/trump-goes-quiet-as-the-stock-market-slumps
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February 7, 2018 8:33am
- KevOB
  
  The US stock market indices have nothing to do with the President. The FED has been creating too much money and it has gotten out of control. Money always finds a home.
  
  Savers have been paying for this with very low returns. There has been a massive transfer of wealth and opportunity with this almost free money to the already rich. It has also found its way here as out banks have access through global wholesale markets. It fuelled our house prices.
  
  Now the FED and other central banks are trying to re-adjust their irregular positions. An adventure in criminal recklessness?
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:55am
  - Piniwi
    
    True KebOB since most know it easy to print money but much harder to make it into real money. Bill English avoided the soft option and managed a recovery to a strong economy through controlled borrowing for essential expenditure.
    The COL will undo that strength with accelerated borrowing for increased hand-outs instead of paying down debt. This folly is far more costly even than funny money but still pushes an expanded national debt to future taxpayers.
    
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    February 7, 2018 3:26pm
- Inandout
  
  stephie is our morning idiot.
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:12am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Mourning idiot………
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:45am
    - stephieboy
      
      Kev OB etc ,
      
      Wall Street’s cheerleader in chief: Trump has tweeted about the stock market at least 60 times since he was elected
      
      • Trump has tweeted about the stock market at least 60 times since his election in November 2016.
      • The president has explicitly tied his administration’s actions to stock market records but did not mention markets during a public appearance as they plunged on Monday.
      • Trump has mentioned stock market success much more frequently than his predecessors.
      
      Donald J. Trump
      ✔
      @realDonaldTrump
      
      Dow goes from 18,589 on November 9, 2016, to 25,075 today, for a new all-time Record. Jumped 1000 points in last 5 weeks, Record fastest 1000 point move in history. This is all about the Make America Great Again agenda! Jobs, Jobs, Jobs. Six trillion dollars in value created!
      12:35 AM – Jan 6, 2018
      
      https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/06/trump-has-tweeted-about-stock-market-63-times-since-2016-election.html
      
      LOL, L0L , LOL….
      
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      February 7, 2018 9:58am
      - KevOB
        
        Any politician who claims credit for stockmarket movements is probably wrong.
        I’m not concerned about Pres. Trump.
        
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        February 7, 2018 1:09pm
  - flipper
    
    Nahhhh…
    KISS…
    “IDIOT”, who has escaped from the Mason Clinic, is better.
    
    This attitude is rather like the folks who have made it their present mission to kiss Peters’ arse, all because of the ineptness and lack of political savvy, of a deceased relative was exposed (and deposed) by Michelle Boag many years ago. And the “arrogance of E English in refusing to respond to emails.
    
    It is a sure sign of a condition in need of psycho treatment that after all this time the blame is transferred to W English in the secret belief that it will allow the toxic bottle blond to take over.
    The promotion of Peters and the pursuit of an of idiotic personal crusade is destroyi9ng a once credible blog that is defended by DPF … well, by not exposing the BS on NZ politics as it is delivered.
    
    But back to Trump ….. what happened today, Mason Clinic escapee ?????
    
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    February 7, 2018 10:43am
    - stephieboy
      
      flipper ,mummy says crossly ,wagging a finger ,you just stay in your cot and stop throwing toys .
      
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      February 7, 2018 10:55am
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    Only morning?
    
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    February 7, 2018 12:11pm
waikatogirl

Lloyd Burr, political reporter on TV3 telling us of the wonderful, simply marvellous Waitangi Day celebrations and how well they all went thanks to the incredibly good planning by Cindy.

Burr was asked about the National Party retreat to be held in Tauranga. Burr showed his true colours referring to National party getting together as having a few beers and discussing National “believing they are Masters of the Universe, and
how they are going to rule the world, but they can’t because they are in opposition”.
Twat.
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February 7, 2018 8:34am
- itstricky
  
  Seemed like a pretty good Waitangi Day compared to previous ones. I’m sure Stephen Joyce would agree. Why do you disagree?
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:40am
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    I don’t disagree itstricky. The Nga Puhi tribal members who belong to Cindy’s COL stage-managed Waitangi to perfection! As has become expected there was even a wee protest, but not against the govt, instead it was a spat over the lower marae v the upper marae and right at the end when all the celebrations were over.
    
    It makes good financial sense for Nga Puhi to host Cindy and her COL to have a pleasant stay and butter her up with. Nobody in the tribe is going to stand up to “The Godfather” and his backup boys, Shane and Kelvin.
    
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    February 7, 2018 8:50am
    - KKKKatee
      
      God damn it! The 5 days of the PM at Waitangi was nauseating wasn’t it? I’m now having arguments with my husband over her. He thinks she’s doing a wonderful job! I pointed out to him she’s not a bloody kid but she sure acts like one. So I said to him “What, exactly is it she’s achieving thus far?” He couldn’t say exactly…..
      I rest my case.
      
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      February 7, 2018 9:27am
      - KiWombat
        
        Now now KKKKatee – she is putting her talents to good use cooking sausages.
        
        Her fish ‘n chip shop diploma is coming in handy
        
        Never mind those poor souls on the West Coast trying to put their community back together, as long as the iwi get their sausage all will be fine
        
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        February 7, 2018 12:36pm
      - Que Sera Sera
        
        KKKKatee, at last I will give you credit for something, and that is you married a man with brains.
        
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        February 7, 2018 1:15pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Painful KKKKatee but the Media party must have more yet to come after this one dated 5 Feb on NewShub. “She spoke of the inequality between Māori and Pākehā, emphasising “the incarceration of the Māori people, disproportionate to everyone else.
        
        “That is the distance between us. And so long as that exists, we have failed in our partnership.” She is out of touch on every subject she tackles since we all know it should read “THEY have failed in our partnership.” The natives feature so high in the criminal count simple because they are the dominant offenders. It is what makes Police 10/7 an ethnic program and for safety the only ethnic program most Europeans view. Primarily for their and their families safety and wellbeing.
        
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        February 7, 2018 7:04pm
- Piniwi
  
  Funny that waikatogirl but this line from Burr seemed incomplete: “At Te Tii Marae, there are too many chefs and it spoils the broth” (add) “while here there are more poofters to stir the froth.”
  Much less is mentioned that the control and location changed a long tradition but the Commie Chick only got to make a speech from the steps. Even the natives are reluctant to let her indoors.
  
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  February 7, 2018 3:34pm
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The landmines in Ardern’s next 1000 days … Bernard Hickey … Newsroom

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/02/04/80944/the-landmines-in-jacindas-next-1000-days

… extract …

… The biggest risk for the Government over the next 1000 days is a failure to deliver on its core promise — Kiwibuild. Ramping up a programme to build 100,000 houses in a decade will always take time, but the Government’s commitment to built 16,000 in the first three years is very specific. The first Kiwibuild home has been promised for mid-2018.

Voters will want to see houses being built pronto and won’t have much tolerance for excuses, of which there are smorgasbord to choose from, ranging from construction sector capacity, Council borrowing capacity, ratings agency nit-picking, RMA-wielding NIMBYs and nervous bankers. Any signs of bickering between the Government and the Auckland Council in particular, or foot-dragging by either, would disappoint voters hoping for solutions. Any delays in forming the Housing Commission and getting MBIE’s interim Kiwibuild unit up and running will be leapt on by the Opposition and the media alike.

The key players are Housing and Transport Minister Phil Twyford and Auckland Mayor Phil Goff. They need to coordinate their respective governments to plan, fund and deliver the joint and massive investment projects needed to build at least 50,000 Kiwibuild houses in Auckland over the next decade, as well as the rail and other infrastructure needed for those houses. The Government and the Auckland Council must somehow come up with the tools to fund new urban development projects. That will require the cooperation and enthusiasm of both private bond investors and the ratings agencies, who can be wary of the special purpose vehicles that Twyford and Goff hope to use to keep the debt off both their balance sheets. … read more via hyperlink above …

Faded dream: Is boomtown Tauranga a bust? | The Spinoff

https://thespinoff.co.nz/business/07-02-2018/faded-dream-is-boomtown-tauranga-a-bust/

Sell up and move to Tauranga for a better, more affordable lifestyle? Keri Welham finds Tauranga is still desirable, but housing and wages mean it may now be out of reach. … read more via hyperlink above …

Demographia in the News

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=demographia&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZgd-0_ZHZAhUN5LwKHecDASUQ_AUICigB&biw=458&bih=393
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February 7, 2018 8:35am
- Harkman
  
  I ignore Bernard Hickey, and you should too.
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:05am
  - Inandout
    
    Hickey, once a news reporter.
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:15am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Harkman … If your comment is indicative of the Tories political judgement, you guys deserved to be thrown on the political trash heap last October.
      
      If you had an ounce of political nous, you would be very pleased indeed to see Newsroom and Spinoff putting pressure on the Labour led Government.
      
      As I made clear within the Introduction section to this years Demopgraphia Survey http://www.demographia.com , there is a broad consensus out there to deal head on with the structural problems of the housing market.
      
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      February 7, 2018 9:30am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        Just as there was broad consensus on the fact that Hickey cant read a market and has zero ability to make predictions.
        
        He is a waste of time and space – and just because you agree with him doesn’t make him any better. Stopped clocks etc.
        
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        February 7, 2018 10:36am
      - labrator
        
        Hugh Pavletich commenting on nous; The dictionary definition of irony if ever a new one was needed.
        
        Please post more links and copy pastes Hugh. You should know by now that downticks mean you’re always on the mark.
        
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        February 7, 2018 2:38pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Over the years I have had ‘spirited disagreements’ with Bernard Hickey … and found him to be a thorough gentleman.
        
        The amusing thing with the above article / opinion, is that Bernard Hickey is doing (um) what the Tories should be doing … if they only knew how !
        
        The Traumatized Tories (most never saw the loss coming) sure are a very sorry sight at the moment.
        
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        February 7, 2018 3:26pm
      - labrator
        
        Only a fool uses the word Tory in New Zealand to describe National politicians. I’m still waiting on your predicted “Waterloo” moment for John Key. Will that be arriving soon?
        
        We are talking about the same Bernard Hickey that sold his house in Epsom for $1million in 2012? Economic genius! I mean the average price on Halifax Ave now is only about three times that… Now that must be traumatising…
        
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        February 7, 2018 3:53pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Labrator ….
        
        Former PM Sir John Key did a runner late 2016 … following mid year polling by Newshub and NZ Herald .. in the main because of the housing failure.
        
        Please check the GONE GONE GOING section and the November Update on my archival website for further information.
        
        Bill English got the hospital pass.
        
        It was all very sad.
        
        The can kicking government got replaced with the can do one.
        
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        February 7, 2018 8:35pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        China developers retreat from Hong Kong property market … Financial Times
        
        https://www.ft.com/content/f70b4c50-0bc5-11e8-8eb7-42f857ea9f09
        
        Chinese property developers have retreated sharply from Hong Kong’s booming land market, becoming the latest industry to be dented by Beijing’s capital controls and intensified scrutiny of outbound transactions. Read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Hong Kong breaks record for ‘severely unaffordable’ housing … Financial Times
        
        https://www.ft.com/content/40889492-c338-11e5-808f-8231cd71622e
        
        Hong Kong’s dizzying property prices may finally be falling but they are still notching up records, with a survey released on Monday showing the Chinese territory has consolidated its status as the world’s least affordable housing market. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Hong Kong regains crown in ranking of expensive cities for expats … Financial Times
        
        https://www.ft.com/content/3aa363f6-382f-11e6-a780-b48ed7b6126f
        
        Hong Kong is once again the world’s most expensive city for expatriates, even as the economy in the Chinese territory faces growing headwinds and companies cut back on once generous allowances. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        February 8, 2018 12:07am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/02/macro-afternoon-357/#comment-3044812 … and …
        
        Hong Kong must confront inequality and housing dilemmas – China.org.cn
        
        http://www.china.org.cn/opinion/2018-02/07/content_50441904.htm
        
        … extract …
        
        … Housing prices have always been a point of contention in Hong Kong, as there is a conflict between affordability and market stability. The first Chief Executive, Tung Chee-hwa, made an ambitious attempt to provide public housing with limited success; his successor, Donald Tsang, refused to resume the provision of public housing even after the economy recovered. Carrie Lam’s predecessor, Leung Chun-ying, provided a range of housing policy initiatives such as the resumption of the public housing provision, a long-term housing strategy and land sale for local people.
        
        Despite his endeavors, property prices remain unaffordable with little sign of decline. The 2018 Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey demonstrated that Hong Kong is the city with the least affordable housing market globally for the eighth consecutive year. The local median house price is 19.4 times the median household income, “outperforming” other major metropolises like Sydney (12.9), Vancouver (12.6), and Los Angeles (9.4). … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        February 8, 2018 1:10am
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkman , why ? . He seems to have a very impressiv track records commenting on local and world economics . Unlike you or me ,
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/users/bernard-hickey
    
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    February 7, 2018 10:10am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Husband and wife property developers linked to $20 million boost in small Taranaki town’s housing stock … Stuff / Fairfax NZ
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/101198976/husband-and-wife-property-developers-linked-to-20-million-boost-in-small-taranaki-towns-housing-stock
  
  A small Taranaki coastal town is riding a property wave worth $20 million thanks to the efforts of one enterprising couple.
  
  After years of work, Richard Dreaver and wife Sharron Masters-Dreaver have created two subdivisions off Waitara’s Armstrong Avenue, which boast a total of 79 sections.
  
  While some builds are finished on the larger 56 section block, about 40 homes in the area are currently under construction. Resource consent had also been granted for work to begin on developing the smaller subdivision, which will have 23 sections for sale. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  February 7, 2018 1:01pm
  - KevOB
    
    I hope this is not being financed with borrowed money and a GFC will not demolish the project. A quick rise in interest rates could see unmarketable homes or partly finished ones with a lack of buyers.
    
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    February 7, 2018 1:13pm
pdm

Is anyone else having problems at Kiwiblog with their Log In dropping out as soon as theyleave the site? Yes I do tick the remember me box.

Or is it just me.
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February 7, 2018 8:42am
- Biscuit
  
  pdm, it’s just you.
  
  There was a vote.
  
  WHO SHALL KIWIBLOG PERSECUTE THIS FINE DAY?
  
  Penny got 1 vote.
  WoO got 2 votes.
  You got 63462365462362365 votes.
  
  Suck it up!
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:46am
- cmm
  
  Yup. Annoying.
  
  If you’ve typed up a post it is lost too.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:55am
- RalphT
  
  pdm, it happens to me about once a week on each of my devices (desktop and iPad) . I can understand it happening when the iPad has received a systems update or been rebooted but most times there is no obvious reason; I won’t have exited but merely minimised the screen but suddenly I find myself locked out and needing to log on again.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:56am
billmurray

The anti Bill English sentiment at Whale oil is poisoning that blog.
Low life crap is their mantle.
Says me.
Any one else?.
Join the throng.
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February 7, 2018 8:56am
- igm
  
  Hope WO loses more financial support . . . he bloody deserves it.
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:16am
  - Piniwi
    
    True igm so while it is no big challenge to gain a few new subscribers that only gets it ad free the subscription renewal rate will be the interesting statistics. In fact recent content is struggling to be more a draw than the ads.
    
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    February 7, 2018 3:41pm
- doggone7
  
  Their mantle being low life crap is not new or particular to their anti Bill English sentiment though.
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:52am
- rightoverlabour
  
  One of the main reasons I refuse to go there. He has lost the plot. I also find his anti Catholic crusade tiresome. Which is unfortunate, as he was one of the first blogs I read, every day. I supported his crusade against keeping sex offenders hidden, and his generally pro right wing commentary. I enjoyed his Winston, unemployed, of St Mary’s Bay postings, and supported his anti abortion stand. However, his moderation became excessive, and then he went all guns blazing against Bill, and is somewhat to blame for Winston’s support. So now I just don’t bother….
  
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  February 7, 2018 7:07pm
Manolo

This man is an imbecile, a politically-correct one:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/6/justin-trudeau-corrects-woman-for-using-mankind-pe/

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau sparked a roar of applause during a town hall meeting Friday after he interrupted a woman to correct her use of the word “mankind.”

Mr. Trudeau interjected at that point, saying, “We like to say peoplekind, not necessarily mankind ‘cause it’s more inclusive.”
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February 7, 2018 8:56am
- Harkman
  
  What you get when vote for people on looks alone.
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:06am
  - igm
    
    Well what in hell have Winnie and Crockery got going for them? They have nothing!
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:17am
    - Harkman
      
      Winnie only got 6%
      
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      February 7, 2018 11:34am
- KKKKatee
  
  This is the sort of crap we ought to expect from the PM in the future and the batshit crazy Greens.
  God help NZ…….
  I will utterly refuse to use the term “people kind” and I urge all KB readers to do the same…..
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:14am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    What about ‘Blokekind’ and ‘Sheilakind’ or ‘Birdkind’ etc. etc…..
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:50am
- Ceejay
  
  The logical and uncontentious alternative to “mankind”, if you’re desperate to avoid causing offence to the pretentiously delicate of the world, is not “peoplekind”, it’s “humanity.” At least it’s a real word.
  
  I learnt this is university over 30 years ago. Where has Trudeau been?
  
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  February 7, 2018 11:08am
  - holysheet
    
    Sorry but that dreaded word “man” is in Hu”man”ity.
    Go back to school?
    
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    February 7, 2018 12:16pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Bugger, beat me to it!
      
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      February 7, 2018 7:11pm
  - lifesgood
    
    At the high school I worked at there was this “wimmin” who insisted on calling man hole covers person hole covers, idiotic or what? I will never say person hole cover or personkind or any other of the nonsensical rubbish that’s going down. I will also follow Jordan Peterson in only saying “she” and “he”. Let’s stand together strong, folks.
    
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    February 7, 2018 12:47pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    but huMANity has man in it. Fuck, these wankers are moronic. Are we going to have to rewrite English because some fuck wits don’t like the word man? Manic, manage, mandible, manoeuvre, ….I think these all need to be changed.
    
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    February 7, 2018 7:11pm
- Surely Knott
  
  So if you are legally required to use someones preferred pronoun in Canada, is the next step that she is legally obliged to say “people kind” lest Trudeau is offended. The video clip was unwatchable – so much crazy. Hopefully J. Peterson’s next move is to run for Canadian Prime Minister
  
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  February 7, 2018 3:04pm
- Longknives
  
  The Rolling Stones wrote a less than complimentary song lyric about Trudeau’s Mum….
  
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  February 7, 2018 3:54pm
softail 1450

O M G, is there a really smart person out there that could explain a scenario where breakfast television could get even worse than the shit tv1 and tv3 are dishing out, i suspect not.
thank god for smart television’s, these relatively new inventions can release you from the smelly add infested crap that is free to air nz television forever.
i watched 5 minutes of 1 & 3 this morning and was nearly physically sick from the left wing garbage.
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February 7, 2018 9:06am
- KKKKatee
  
  I no longer watch Breakfast. In fact, I haven’t sat down and watched for the past couple of years. And I very rarely go to TV3 in the mornings and certainly do not watch whatever it is at 7 p.m. on 3 either. And Seven Sharp is rubbish…..
  What the hell is it with TV producers that they get a bunch of lefties to front their shows? And the way they suck up to the PM is nauseating…….
  I’d rather be reading KB morning and night while those silly shows are on……
  And adding my two-penneth worth……
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:17am
  - waikatogirl
    
    KKKKatee, you said it “TV producers that they get a bunch of lefties to front their shows”
    
    That’s it in a nutshell. Promoting their belief system to the TV audience.
    
    If you watch, do so with an open mind!
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:54am
    - stigie
      
      But it’s all namby bamby feel good shit they go on about because there’s no argument with feel good shit and it makes them feel safe and not controversial but make shit up to suit themselves !~
      
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      February 7, 2018 10:06am
    - KKKKatee
      
      I take a look now and again – but can’t go back to watching any of these shows in earnest. Tv is on in the background as I’m surfing the net so I hear snippets. Hilary Barry did it for me when she was shrieking at Bill English during the election campaign. I couldn’t believe it that she got herself so worked up and behaved in a very abusive manner.
      Prior to that, I was underwhelmed by her performance when she was on the Paul Henry show.
      So yes, I take a precursory glance now and then, but to purposely tune in and sit down and watch any of those shows in their entirety doesn’t happen for me now.
      
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      February 7, 2018 10:20am
      - KiWombat
        
        Bring back Paul Henry – please !!
        
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        February 7, 2018 11:04am
      - sooty
        
        Hilary shrieking at Bill. I missed that. But then I don’t watch the dribble on tv.
        
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        February 7, 2018 11:08am
    - G152
      
      It’s not only the ‘front people’ it’s the entire crew.
      Editors, sub editors, writers, reporters.
      They’re all lefties now.
      Its endemic.
      And the only thing we can do to correct it is to get our media from elsewhere.
      The advertisers want to spend money where their ads are seen.
      No-one watches TV1,2 or 3 the programing will change until they are ‘watchable’
      
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      February 7, 2018 10:52am
      - oldgolfer
        
        The infection runs deep.
        Trust me, I know.
        
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        February 7, 2018 11:49am
      - lifesgood
        
        This is something that really interests me. Are they all left wing or do they just pretend they are to ensure a job? Surely there must be some with right wing tendencies. Will it be a case of Me Too in later years? “I was forced to be left wing against my wishes or be threatened with losing my job”
        
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        February 7, 2018 12:51pm
    - Digmen1
      
      No, if you watch, be prepared to be brainwashed.
      
      That is their goal
      
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      February 7, 2018 12:22pm
  - sam green
    
    “I don’t watch it because its all rubbish and full of lefties. I know this because I don’t watch it”.
    
    LMAO FFS
    
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    February 7, 2018 10:02am
  - Paulus
    
    Surely it has finally come to pass that the only programme to watch at 7 pm is of course Shortland Street – terrible lines and acting but better than TV1 or TV3.
    
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    February 7, 2018 2:10pm
    - sooty
      
      HAA, HAAAAA! Stooopid teleprint readers.
      
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      February 7, 2018 2:54pm
- Inandout
  
  Garner is showing his true colours (Maori) every morning, followed by ruby lips. Mark seems the only sane person.
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:18am
  - howitis
    
    Perhaps Garner can petition the High Court to get his balls back from Joanna Forbes!
    
    Even if every second weekend.
    
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    February 7, 2018 12:33pm
- cmm
  
  Ok, please draw me a big picture explaining who has time to watch breakfast TV?
  
  Productive people have 10 minutes for breakfast and are not going to plonk down for half an hour to watch anything any more.
  
  Gabby only gets out of bed at 10.
  
  Similar deal with 6pm news. Who watches that? Most people are still on their way home or sorting out tea.
  
  The MSM just do stuff because they’ve always done it. It isn’t the 1950s any more.
  
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  February 7, 2018 10:03am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I’m sorry, I just can’t stomach Cindy, The Baby, her placenta nor her shallow and empty slogans. So that pretty much rules out all NZ broadcast news. Can’t they just leave that stuff to the slags’ mags?
    
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    February 7, 2018 11:02am
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm,
    
    “It isn’t the 1950s any more.” ?
    
    What do you miss about a well lit cemetary ?
    
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    February 7, 2018 11:14am
    - Digmen1
      
      @StephieBoy
      How is your dawah going today?
      
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      February 7, 2018 11:53am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Stephieboy’s grave
      
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      February 7, 2018 7:13pm
cas

Espiner on morning report this morning seems to have finally got it. He was asking questions of Robbo about any specifics for Maori after all the Waitangi rhetoric and then when questioning John Tamihere kept on about all talk not much substance. Perhaps he has woken up to the fact that conversations and good speeches without action don’t mean anything
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February 7, 2018 9:07am
- KevOB
  
  John Tamihere appears to be of Ngati Porou/Tainui descent. Not all non-Nga Puhi are going to be pleased with the new government’s alignment.
  
  The PM doesn’t know where’s she walked and conversed.
  
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  February 7, 2018 3:03pm
EAD_TWO

Today Israel begins the deportation of Africans:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5353931/Cash-custody-Israel-kicks-deportation-African-migrants.html

Hopefully NZ, Australia, America and all of Europe can begin kicking out our Africans.
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February 7, 2018 10:10am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , why ? Apart from possibly contaminating white blood lines.
  
  What the Nazis termed “ Mischling (“ hybrid mongrel )
  
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  February 7, 2018 10:59am
  - Digmen1
    
    That’s a good reason.
    A country need to be homogenous and have every one on the same page to suceeed
    If I go to Japan I want to see Japanese people, food etc.
    If I go to France I want to see French people and French culture.
    Not muslims or black economic invaders.
    
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    February 7, 2018 11:52am
    - Digmen1
      
      If I go to a third world country, I expect to see third world people.
      
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      February 7, 2018 12:17pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Digmen1 , you don’t include melting pots like the USA and Canada ?
      
      Or are they hybrid third world ?
      
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      February 7, 2018 12:35pm
      - Digmen1
        
        They soon will be!
        Where has a melting pot worked?
        
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        February 7, 2018 3:04pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Digmen1 , the US , Canada and I believe we can add NZ and Australia ,
        
        https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/948/522948.jpg
        
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        February 7, 2018 5:54pm
- Gabby
  
  Specially those south Africans right eadolf.
  
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  February 7, 2018 5:08pm
KKKKatee

I’m observing a serial downticker is busy on KB today.
Or perhaps there’s more than one of you…….
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February 7, 2018 10:31am
- KiWombat
  
  I suspect you are right KKKK – there have been several pretty benign comments getting downticked – hardly fair or reasonable
  
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  February 7, 2018 3:33pm
stigie

Stephie and his goat !~
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February 7, 2018 11:36am
- VicParking
  
  No The Goats having a sleepin Stephie gave her a hard night last night ???
  
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  February 7, 2018 12:45pm
Don the Kiwi

Oh my – stupidboy, griff,Hugh, WoO and others will really hate this:

https://www.prageru.com/videos/can-climate-models-predict-climate-change
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February 7, 2018 12:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  Don the Kiwi , why ? And with this pile of alt right playlist garbage from prageru,
  
  https://www.prageru.com/playlists/most-popular#2
  
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  February 7, 2018 12:40pm
- thedavincimode
  
  … alt right …
  
  Like a retarded budgie with a brain to match. Cut/paste/label. “… alt right … alt right … chirrup!” No idea what it means. Like the layabout big magpie but (fortuitously) less punctuation and next to zero grey matter.
  
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  February 7, 2018 6:05pm
Manolo

Crooked Hillary’s saga goes on:
https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-least-18-classified-emails-found-weiners-laptop/

Judicial Watch revealed today that there are at least 18 classified emails in the 798 documents recently produced by the State Department from the FBI’s investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s elicit email system.

The emails were found on the laptop of Anthony Weiner, who is the estranged husband of former Clinton aide Huma Abedin.
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February 7, 2018 1:10pm
- Rich Prick
  
  And the other 780 documents are just dick-pics.
  
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  February 7, 2018 1:39pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, Judicial Watch and its Tom Fitton deserve a place in the loon Conspiracy Theory hall of fame with a miscellaneous litany of baseless claims including unsuccessful lawsuits against Democrat politicians including Hillary Clinton ,
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Watch
  
  There must be a psychological explanation as to why you persist in believing this kind ion rubbish.
  
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  February 7, 2018 1:48pm
  - oob
    
    Hating Trump doesn’t mean you have to love Hillary, chap.
    
    In my opinion they’re equally despicable.
    
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    February 7, 2018 2:33pm
- Inandout
  
  It seems old Sessions has awoken from his slumber, and about time.
  
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  February 7, 2018 2:21pm
- RF
  
  Lock her up……
  
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  February 7, 2018 6:07pm
tedbear

What’s going on then?
http://www.greystar.co.nz/content/westport-celebrates-mine the town celebrated the final approval for the proposed new coalmine on the Denniston Plateau.
but…
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/349760/government-blocks-land-sale-on-denniston-plateau
suggests celebrations were short lived?
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February 7, 2018 2:11pm
- Piniwi
  
  Yes tedbear but now in addition to being pounded by a major storm the coaster are again getting kicked while they are down yet again. Now the Mud Mob have been finally blended together they are doing collective damage to the West Coast.
  
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  February 7, 2018 6:44pm
tedbear

oops sorry, old greystar link
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February 7, 2018 2:26pm
Keeping Stock

Not all lefties have consumed the Jacinda Koolaid; John Minto fair rips into Labour in this blog post:

https://thedailyblog.co.nz/2018/02/06/100-days-and-the-first-broken-promise/

He’s particularly savage over Labour’s plans to reduce child poverdy; supposedly, the very reason that Ms Ardern entered politics in the first place:

Child Poverty:

It was gobsmacking to hear the government’s target is to halve child poverty in 10 years. This is surely the lamest target of any Labour government on any issue in its history. But it’s also a meaningless target as Labour will have to win three more elections in a row to be able to meet it in any case.

This is the Prime Ministers signature policy. She tells us this is the reason she is in parliament. Pathetic.

Even the beneficiary-bashing Paula Bennett had reason to criticise.

“The Prime Minister committed her Government to reducing the number of children in material hardship over the next ten years by 70,000. Yet, over the last five years of the National government, the number of children in material hardship fell by 85,000.

“So this Government is promising to do less over a longer period of time than National did – in spite of its bold claims it would do better.</blockquote
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February 7, 2018 3:08pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Well, I never thought I would be agreeing with anything Minto says. Seems he’s not drinking the PM Koolaid. I can imagine that he’ll have a lot more to say about her performance as she continues over-talk but under-deliver.
  
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  February 7, 2018 3:27pm
  - Longknives
    
    Nothing like the Hard-Left turning on each other!
    Minto and Bradford are both nasty pieces of crap but I am enjoying their bitter hatred for this current mob…
    
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    February 7, 2018 3:51pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Longknives , you and other nasty alt righters are pulling ahead of them .
      
      As if any sane person cares out there about you lot .
      
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      February 7, 2018 4:23pm
      - Longknives
        
        “You lot”??
        
        Do you mean the 65% of the Country who didn’t want that ridiculous wannabe Communist as our Prime Minister?
        
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        February 7, 2018 4:27pm
      - Manolo
        
        I really love your turn of phrase, stephieboy. Your command of the English language is second to none.
        
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        February 7, 2018 4:29pm
      - softail 1450
        
        stephieboy,spew.
        
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        February 7, 2018 4:38pm
      - stephieboy
        
        The so called 65% , I guarantee , don’t share your kind of alt right lunacy . .
        
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        February 7, 2018 5:58pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo , accept facts . You are a conspiracy and birther nutcase !
        
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        February 7, 2018 6:01pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Longknives, as much as I despise Bradford’s politics, she has shown principles when refusing to accept Dotcom’s tainted money, and slagging off the Greens for supporting Peters’ waka-jumping legislation.
      
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      February 7, 2018 5:02pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I never thought I’d find myself saying this, but perhaps Minto (and Bradford) does actually care about the children. Unlike Cindy who spouts platitudes and meaningless nonsense and wouldn’t have a clue what to do. Sooner or later she might realise being PM isn’t a third form social studies project, but I doubt it.
  
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  February 7, 2018 4:36pm
  - RF
    
    No no… lets have a discussion. I will arrange for a committee of experts to examine this…
    
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    February 7, 2018 5:59pm
- Piniwi
  
  True KS and apart from the evidence and effort by National that little fact is now a matter of public record in Hansards. Paula Bennett stated this success during OQT last week also that abolishing child poverty has been reduced by the Commie Chick to halving it in 10 years.
  
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  February 7, 2018 6:39pm
Digmen1

I see the guy that drowned in Auckland on the weekend was a “good guy” who did his Dawah every day and had five children.

We really need to stop these people coming here.
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February 7, 2018 4:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  Digmen1 ,
  
  We really need to stop these people coming here “ ?
  
  Since he seemed to be so proud of your undiluted alt right prejudices how will you go about doing this ?I know it will be excrulatingly difficult stuck as you are on keyboards with nothing more meaningful or worthwhile to do.
  
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  February 7, 2018 4:20pm
  - softail 1450
    
    streppieboy,spew.
    
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    February 7, 2018 4:28pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Here’s a song I wrote for you.
    I got Blake Shelton to sing it
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJe754cLbok
    
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    February 7, 2018 5:05pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    ‘ excrulatingly’
    
    What does that mean, septicboy?
    
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    February 7, 2018 5:52pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Don the Kiwi ,
      
      excruciatingly | ɛkˈskruːʃɪeɪtɪŋli |
      
      adverb
      
      to an intensely painful degree: it stings excruciatingly.
      • [as submodifier] used to emphasise how embarrassing, awkward, or tedious something is: the day passed excruciatingly slowly .|
      
      Don the Kiwi so excruciatingly boring etc .
      
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      February 7, 2018 6:03pm
Manolo

Where are those celebrities now?
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-kirchick-venezuela-pundits-20170802-story.html

In the age of Trump, Brexit and a wider backlash against globalization, left-wing economic populists are enjoying a resurgence in mainstream credibility by railing against free trade and “neoliberals.” This is a scandal. For in the form of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela, the world has a petri dish in which to judge the sort of policies endorsed by Jones, Klein, British Labor Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, homegrown socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders and countless other deluded utopians.
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February 7, 2018 4:44pm
Manolo

Barnaby Joyce, Kiwi Lothario:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/feb/07/barnaby-joyces-wife-natalie-speaks-out-about-his-affair-with-staffer

Natalie Joyce has said she feels “deceived and hurt” by her husband, Australian deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce, for starting an affair with a person who was his employee at the time.

After the Daily Telegraph’s publication of a picture of the visibly pregnant Vikki Campion, Natalie Joyce said in a statement that she was “deeply saddened by the news that my husband has been having an affair and is now having a child with a former staff member”.
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February 7, 2018 4:49pm
- RF
  
  Bloody hell it must be catching.
  
  Poor old Barnaby got his girl friend pregnant and now our own famous in his own mind lotherio got his partner in the club as well.
  
  Thank god my dear granny is not around to hear about this unbridled lust.
  
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  February 7, 2018 5:54pm
- GoVege
  
  And he’s against marriage equality, hypocritical pri*k.
  
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  February 7, 2018 6:23pm
Morrissey

Fed. Farmers’ “head of animal welfare” claims, hilariously: “Our role is to show leadership and to educate our members”
The Panel, RNZ National, Wednesday 7 February 2018
Jim Mora, Penny Ashton, Patrick Morgan, Caitlin Cherry

First item after the 4 o’clock news is the vibe around this exciting new prime minister, and the excellent showing she made at Waitangi. “By any measure,” says host Jim Mora, “Jacinda Ardern’s trip north went well.” The panelists agree that Jacinda Ardern and her government are in for a lot more positive coverage in future, and the prospects for the Nasty Party seem dim. Then Penny Ashton comes up with one of the best lines of the year so far….

PENNY ASHTON: What is National going to do to counter her? I hear talk of Simon Bridges being in line for the leadership. I hope he does become leader, because he has all the charm of a school bully.

Mora does not greet this apposite and humorous quip with one of his trademark guffaws. Nor does he mutter his habitual, insincere “That’s very funny!” Instead he falls into an icy silence, as he does whenever someone makes a remark even slightly critical of the National Party.

After that awkward moment it is time to interview the first guest of the afternoon, billed as the “head of animal welfare” for Federated Farmers. His name is Chris Lewis and he apparently owns a farm “in the Waikato.” Mora insisted, at least three times, that Lewis is “one of the good farmers”. Maybe he is, but he didn’t seem to know much about the topic he was brought on to talk about: the suffering of dairy cows in the sun, with no trees to shelter under. Chris Lewis seemed to have no idea about anything. It was one of the most embarrassing performances in the history of The Panel—and that, as any long-time listener will attest, is very embarrassing indeed.

JIM MORA: Yeah, but are shelter belts being removed for the ease of installing centre-pivots?

CHRIS LEWIS: Ahhh, I don’t farm in Canterbury and I haven’t been there much lately. …. Our role is to show leadership and to educate our members….. But we need your listeners to tell us what are the best trees to plant…. [more confused blathering then, mercifully, he stops.]

….STUNNED SILENCE….

PENNY ASHTON: I would have thought he’d be the expert on such things.
MORA: No, he’s—
PENNY ASHTON: He’s the head of animal welfare for Federated Farmers.
MORA: No, he’s looking for arboreal advice.
PENNY ASHTON: [clearly unimpressed] Hmmmmmm….

Later, near the end of the program, Penny Ashton manages to run afoul of Jim Mora’s highly selective moral code again….

PENNY ASHTON: He’s a disgusting piece of human garbage, Piers Morgan.
MORA: We don’t need to go into that….

For more dodgy dairying philosophers, click here….
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February 7, 2018 4:58pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  I know Chris Mossey,
  
  A good farmer and decent bloke, I occasionally wondered about him getting into politics but he was always keen for a debate about things.
  
  He is man who accomplishes things and cares about people.
  
  You on the other hand try to accomplish holding things over people. It proves what a shallow sad little cunt you are.
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:02pm
  - Morrissey
    
    I know Chris Mossey,
    
    Oh good. Could you tell him to bone up on his facts before he makes a fool of himself again?
    
    A good farmer and decent bloke,
    
    Yes, Jim Mora kept assuring us of that yesterday.
    
    I occasionally wondered about him getting into politics but he was always keen for a debate about things.
    
    He didn’t seem keen for a debate yesterday. He seemed clueless, which is why Penny Ashton expressed such contempt for him.
    
    He is man who accomplishes things and cares about people.
    
    Really?
    
    You on the other hand try to accomplish holding things over people. It proves what a shallow sad little cunt you are.
    
    Oh, now THAT hurts.
    
    http://www.radicallychristian.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/mean-christians.jpg
    
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    February 8, 2018 9:08am
snowy

If the radicals aren’t protesting at Waitangi, it means that Jacinda is not doing her job properly.
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February 7, 2018 6:18pm
stephieboy

Tsk, tsk, tsk It just gets worse and worse for Team Trump ,

“Committee just moved to issue 13 subpoenas in Russia probe”

While Rep. Devin Nunes, President Donald Trump, and Sean Hannity spent the last week hyping, releasing, and then reeling from the release of the now infamous memo, House Democrats have been quietly pulling the levers of justice behind the scenes. Key Republicans in congress, meanwhile, are no longer standing in their way.
Congressman Elijah Cummings (D-MD), the Ranking Member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, sent a letter to Committee Chairman Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) requesting 13 new subpoenas be issued in the committee’s investigation into the Trump-Russia scandal.
“We understand that you personally may disagree with our requests,” Rep. Cummings’ letter states, “but our Committee Members deserve the opportunity to vote on these motions, rather than you blocking their consideration….”

http://washingtonpress.com/2018/02/06/republican-led-oversight-committee-just-moved-issue-13-subpoenas-russia-probe/
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February 7, 2018 6:20pm
- Digmen1
  
  Its getting so bad for Trump that his approval rating has gone up!
  
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  February 7, 2018 6:42pm
snowy

#not my PM
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February 7, 2018 6:20pm
- stephieboy
  
  snowy , who cares ?
  
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  February 7, 2018 6:23pm
- Morrissey
  
  Yes she is. You need to deal with reality some time, my friend. How about starting NOW?
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:45pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    You first arsehole
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:04pm
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      And you second arsehole.
      
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      February 8, 2018 9:11am
Piniwi

Hope you were able to get the Bob Jones original column from the NBR DPF before it was taken down after a SJW attack? Bob Jones suggested a day of “gratitude” for the Brits who’s arrival saved the natives from extinction with no full blooded natives left. Fully bloated but all a mixed blood mob now.
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February 7, 2018 6:51pm
Nostradamus

Penny writes to Auckland Council

Dear Matthew [Acting Chief Financial Officer],

Following up on my phone call to you yesterday at 5.30pm, I am requesting a meeting with you, and whomever else you wish to have in attendance, to discuss ‘rates postponement’ and recent developments.

I am available to meet at any time during the working day this Friday, 26 January 2018, at a time and venue that is convenient to you, and will bring a ‘support person’ with me.

Please be reminded, as I raised with you yesterday, although I did receive the following email from Kelly Quinn, (Principal Solicitor, Civil Litigation, Legal Services, Auckland Council), I missed it, it ‘fell through the cracks’ as it were.

Please also be reminded that I can receive over 100 emails per day, I don’t have any ‘staff’ to assist me, and am probably not the only person who has ever missed an important email?

That day, 28 November 2018, I was very involved, as I had been from 20 November 2018, with the ‘Occupy Garnet Road’ action, and that evening was an important public meeting at the Grey Lynn RSC, to discuss with Auckland Transport, local business, residents’ and public concerns over AT’s work in West Lynn and the local neighbourhood.

So – I was very busy at that time, and apologise for missing and not responding to this correspondence from Kelly Quinn.

I look forward to your confirmation of a meeting time and venue, this Friday 26 January 2018.

Kind regards,
Penny Bright

So Penny wants to discuss “rates postponement”. Auckland ratepayers want her to discuss rates payment!
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February 7, 2018 7:01pm
- nasska
  
  Not a bad grovel on the scale of things Nostra.
  
  Was the “give a little” campaign unsuccessful? 🙂
  
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  February 7, 2018 7:05pm
- Swifty
  
  Very grovelly.
  
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  February 7, 2018 7:11pm
- stigie
  
  I love this “rates postponement” !!~
  
  Hasn’t the bitch had a rates postponement on her part for 9 fucking years now..?
  
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  February 7, 2018 7:43pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    Penny may be able to confuse the Auckland Council paper-pushers with some vague rates postponement promise, but this High Court judge wasn’t buying it:
    
    In her notice of appeal Ms Bright advances as the grounds for appeal: … (d) that the Judge did not give sufficient weight to the fact the Council had “effectively offered [her] rates postponement” which she stated she would consider once information was provided; (e) the Council’s postponement offer had not been withdrawn so the matter should not have been taken to the Court;
    …
    It is apparent from her responses that Ms Bright has not made an application for postponement of rates in accordance with the procedure provided by the Council. Ms Bright’s open letter response and partially completed application were at most an indication of a conditional intent to apply for rates postponement if certain conditions she sought to impose on the Council were met. It was quite outside the terms of the offer or invitation to treat by the Council.
    
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    February 7, 2018 7:48pm
- RF
  
  Penny is also a time traveller.
  
  She was so busy in November 2018…
  
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  February 7, 2018 7:44pm
nasska

It looks like kids are replacing the girls at the grid of Formula One racing.

Now sponsored by the Vatican & the Muslim World League.
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February 7, 2018 7:17pm
- Andrei
  
  More feminist nonsense – feminist harridans hate the fact that there are women who are attractive to men
  
  It’s also why they want the Government to pay for men to have their cocks cut off
  
  We are also apparently (according to One News) about to pay $1000 a month for pills for men who fuck other men in the bum and/or get fucked in the bum to save them from HIV
  
  Of course One News didn’t express it that way
  
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  February 7, 2018 7:26pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    From the TVNZ website: HIV prevention drug Truvada to be publicly funded in New Zealand
    
    The New Zealand AIDS Foundation says it applauds Pharmac’s decision.
    
    Prior to this “game changing development”, PrEP was only available at a cost of around $1,000 for 30 Truvada pills. the foundation said. As an economical alternative, many users have been forced to import generic versions of the drug from overseas pharmacies at a personal cost of around $50 per month, it said.
    
    “Providing affordable access to PrEP for those who need it will make an enormous difference to those most at risk of HIV transmission in New Zealand,” said Dr Jason Myers, executive director of the New Zealand AIDS Foundation. “It’s a giant leap forward for our ambitious goal of ending new HIV transmissions in New Zealand by 2025,” he said.
    
    So pop on down to Hagley Park, then pop a pill, and Bob’s your ~~uncle~~ boyfriend!
    
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    February 7, 2018 7:34pm
    - stigie
      
      “So pop on down to Hagley Park, then pop a pill, and Bob’s your uncle boyfriend!”
      
      I see you chose your words very carefully Nostra, otherwise we could have had a potential meltdown.
      
      I do love a good meltdown you understand !~
      
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      February 7, 2018 7:51pm
    - Digmen1
      
      I don’t see the point of keeping Aids victims alive.
      They will just infect others.
      
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      February 7, 2018 9:26pm
RRM

I have ended up owing the IRD about $30 this year, so i tried logging on to the myIRD site and it’s just impossible.

Fucking useless IRD.

We should just let the benes starve.
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February 7, 2018 7:29pm
- howitis
  
  I had the same about 6pm
  Once it is locked out it is best to delete history in your browser.
  Failing that delete history and restart browser.
  Worst case scenario is to clear history AND do disk clean up.
  Then restart.
  Failing that I am not sure. Think of the widows and orphans and chillren without raincoats.
  A good citizen would get in their (electric) car (or cycle) and take cash to the IRD before midnight!
  
  If you have the details for the payment- the amount, IRD number, you should be able to pay direct via your bank and not go to the IRD site. I use ASB and it has specific IRD payment option in ‘Payments’
  Print out your receipt from the online banking if there is one or do screen grab.
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:01pm
waikatosinger

Britain is dealing (or rather not dealing) with large numbers of returning jihadis at the moment. Anyone know what the situation is with regard to returning jihadis in NZ. I have not heard a thing about this in the media.
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February 7, 2018 7:30pm
- Digmen1
  
  You could ask Golriz
  
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  February 7, 2018 9:24pm
  - waikatosinger
    
    Why. Do you think she might want to defend them?
    
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    February 7, 2018 11:36pm
Nostradamus

Bob Jones and NBR divorce over ‘Māori Gratitude Day’ column

Bob Jones will be filing no more for the National Business Review after the deletion of his most recent contribution, which included a call for an annual “Māori Gratitude Day” (which he later renamed “Māori Appreciation Day”) and sparked online disgust, was pulled from the paper’s website.

The inciting passage in the property magnate and polemicist’s “Bits and Bobs” column, which carried the subheading “Time for a troll”, argued, “as there are no full-blooded Māoris in existence it indisputably follows that had it not been for migrants, mainly Brits, not a single Māori alive today … would have existed”. Ergo, he continued, “it’s long overdue for some appreciation. I have in mind a public holiday where Māori bring us breakfast in bed or weed our gardens, wash and polish our cars and so on, out of gratitude for existing.”

The article goes on to quote Lizzie Marvelly. Kiwiblog gets a mention too!
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February 7, 2018 8:03pm
- Morrissey
  
  Besides being a repulsive old racist, Jones seems to hate just about everyone. He could be due to be euthanised if David “Kill More” Seymour’s evil inject the oldies bill ever passes….
  
  http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.co.nz/2018/01/womans-mag-editor-humiliates-dyspeptic.html
  
  http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.co.nz/2018/01/the-humorless-humor-of-sir-robert-jones.html
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:25pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Morrissey:
    
    Here’s a genuine question for you: what’s your definition of satire (do you accept the normal dictionary definition); and is there acceptable and unacceptable satire? If I were to go looking for examples online, I suspect I’d find left-wing satire that you think is “acceptable” and right-wing satire that you think is “unacceptable”.
    
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    February 7, 2018 8:30pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Satire is serious, it’s intellectual, and it’s radical. The great Jack Dee poses as a right winger, or at least as an anti-liberal curmudgeon. There’s Evelyn Waugh, of course. So, yes, right wingers can write satire.
      
      Rich prat P.J. O’Rourke seems to think he’s a satirist, but I don’t think sneering at starving and dying people is evidence of anything other than depravity.
      
      I can think of many brilliant left wing/liberal satirists—Frankie Boyle, Dave Chapelle, and of course our own Guy Williams.
      
      But in the end, I don’t care what someone’s politics are, as long as he or she is funny.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drhkVKlHWZI
      
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      February 7, 2018 8:41pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Morrissey:
        
        Thanks for your response.
        
        I wonder if your last sentence captures the issue: “in the end, I don’t care what someone’s politics are, as long as he or she is funny”.
        
        Would you accept that, in some cases, the reverse applies: that what you think is funny depends on the political target? I’m thinking of @Peace and the ‘Kill the PM’ song”. As I recall, some of the people who comment at The Standard thought it was a great song – underwritten, presumably, by NZ on Air funding.
        
        Anyway, my point is that humour and satire are subjective concepts, and (for those of us who are human) we have political filters through which we decide what’s acceptable and unacceptable.
        
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        February 7, 2018 8:48pm
      - sooty
        
        Tell me again, who was that nz comedian that was fiddling his daughter?
        
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        February 7, 2018 9:02pm
      - RRM
        
        Aaaaaaand silence.
        
        They don’t like being reminded of the Kill John Key / impregnate his daughter song. LOL. The left. Two faces.
        
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        February 8, 2018 6:14am
      - Morrissey
        
        I agree with you, Nostradamus, and was not amused or impressed by that stupid song.
        
        And, yes, of course our political views influence what we enjoy.
        
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        February 8, 2018 9:01am
EAD_TWO

They’re starting to reveal their plans…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2018/02/06/trump-immigration-plan-could-keep-whites-in-u-s-majority-for-up-to-five-more-years/?utm_term=.eeee0f8a540e

Two Jews writing in the (((Washington Post))) appear horrified that Trumps immigration policies will keep America majority white for all of a further………..5 years.

Then Jewish Economist Michael Clemens goes on to state the obvious – that changing who comes to America – “changes who America is”.

Duh Clemens – why do you think Israel is kicking out all its Africans or is it only bad when Whites do it?

“By greatly slashing the number of Hispanic and black African immigrants entering America, this proposal would reshape the future United States. Decades ahead, many fewer of us would be nonwhite or have nonwhite people in our families,” said Michael Clemens, an economist at the Center for Global Development, a think tank that has been critical of the proposal. “Selectively blocking immigrant groups changes who America is. This is the biggest attempt in a century to do that.”
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February 7, 2018 8:21pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  By greatly slashing the number of Hispanic and black African immigrants entering America, this proposal would reshape the future United States.
  
  Anyone else notice his word trickery in order to gaslight his readers?
  
  The mass immigration nut-jobs have been “reshaping the future of America” for decades now (especially since 1965 thanks to the work of Emanuel Celler ) but only when a fraction of the tide rolls back does it become bad.
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:44pm
stephieboy

EAD TWO .

“Two Jews writing in the (((Washington Post))) appear horrified that…”

You still don’t get it . Three Jew Billionaires in the President’s cabinet

Wilful ignorance or what ?

Thick !
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February 7, 2018 8:46pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Stephieboy,
  
  you’re supposed to be the one arguing that Jews aren’t over represented in the corridors of power…..
  
  Epic own goal❗
  
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  February 7, 2018 8:51pm
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD TWO , is this Edward Celler’s crime ?
    
    1 A jew
    2 A Democrat
    3 Enacting the first civil rights laws since reconstruction ,
    
    Former Rep. Emanuel Celler Dies
    
    Former Rep. Emanuel Celler, 92, a New York Democrat who was the congressman chiefly responsible for the enactment of the first civil rights laws since Reconstruction, died of pneumonia yesterday at his home in Brooklyn.
    
    Mr. Celler served in the House for 50 years — from 1923 until January 1973. In length of service, his record was exceeded only by that of Rep. Carl Vinson (D-Ga.), who served for 50 years and two months. For 22 of his years on Capitol Hill, Mr. Celler was chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, a record that stands.
    
    “I think I have accomplished quite a lot,” Mr. Celler said in an interview shortly after he was defeated in a Democratic primary by former Rep. Elizabeth Holtzman and announced his retirement…’
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1981/01/16/former-rep-emanuel-celler-dies/330902c8-30df-4ada-a150-09f2ab58bc3e/?utm_term=.05f12d7da191
    
    Your hatred of Jews grows bolder and more strident as the days pass When will it all end ?
    
    Here ?,
    
    https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LoPTdkHrjjk/SrNS_dlYu1I/AAAAAAAAFIE/NG8_X40wMdU/s1600/babi-yar-massacre-009.jpg
    
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    February 7, 2018 9:04pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Stephieboy, Your hatred of the Goyim grows bolder and more strident as the days pass When will it all end ?
      
      Here ?
      
      https://www.rt.com/politics/246209-gulag-founder-no-rehabilitation/
      
      Here?
      
      http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/106688/blowing-up-the-king-david-hotel
      
      Here ?
      
      https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-israel-still-refuses-to-recognize-a-century-old-genocide/
      
      Here ?
      
      https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/why-immigration-reform-is-a-jewish-issue/430806/
      
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      February 7, 2018 9:28pm
stephieboy

EAD TWO , no hated of goyim since I’m on elf them .The Times of Israel item on the Armenian Genocide is interesting . Israel’s relationship with Turkey is a complex one dictated by the fact that Turkish Airlines use air routes to Israel a great deal . Also the Israel Air Force uses Turkish airspace for their drills and practice .

It is much like our government being careful not to offend Turkish feelings all because of access to Anzac Cove . Not a satisfactory situation but underlines the complexities that can involve International relations that go beyond your crude attempt to propagandise that crude term Goyim you like to bandy about .

As you need reminding Yagada, yes was Jew shot by Stalin and replaced with another of his henchmen, non jew ,Lavrentiy Beria ,to head the NKVD.

Your point ?
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