General Debate 27 February 2018

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It won’t be Judith.
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February 27, 2018 8:02am
- pdm
  
  Even if it should be Judith!!
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:10am
- kowtow
  
  I’ve heard a fair bit of anti Collins rhetoric on the RNZ airwaves from the professional commentariat class.
  
  A sure sign that she’s the one for the job. Whether she gets it or not is another matter.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:20am
  - Harkman
    
    “I’ve heard a fair bit of anti Collins rhetoric on the RNZ airwaves”
    
    Sure it wasn’t anti-National and nothing new?
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:44am
  - kevn
    
    @kowtow. Everyone I speak to says… “Judith Collins”.
    Anyone else will be a disappointment for many.
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:59am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I saw Judith Collins on 7 Days (pre-recorded) last night and she was great; witty, unpretentious and not afraid to make fun of herself or National. Brilliant. Please let it be Judith…. she’d knock em out!
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:02am
  - Manolo
    
    What did Labour lite do to neuter the incessant left-talk of RNZ? Useless Notional did nothing.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:26am
  - Gabby
    
    She was they only one who deigned to speak with Guyno. Mitch wanted a fee, Britches wanted him to talk slower, Jawsie went to the wrong studio and Aimememe went sailing.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:37am
    - srylands
      
      Whatever that means.
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:38am
      - kowtow
        
        Gabby aka Piss Flaps is full of shit.
        
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        February 27, 2018 11:00am
    - softail 1450
      
      GRUB,,,,,,WTF?
      
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      February 27, 2018 2:48pm
- KiWombat
  
  I just vote for whoever will piss off the Mrs.
  
  At the moment she wants to support the crowd who pay her to lie in bed all day with a bottle of Gin, so I support the crowd who want her out of bed and working.
  
  Fortunately they only pay her enough to buy three or four bottles at a time, so she still gets her exercise once a week meandering down to the bottle-o for a refill !
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:23am
DifferentPerspective

NP: Losing

Today the NP lose the 2020 election by installing another Labour Lite leader.

Shame, but clearly they’re not tired of losing yet.

Uptick for JC
Downtick for anyone else
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February 27, 2018 8:02am
- Poppa
  
  If Judith is not leader they will not win in 2020 & I predict a large loss
  
  I have already stated if Bridges gets it they will have lost me. I will not vote for the princess so only Act have a chance at my vote but they will need to convince me to do so. It is more likely I will stay home or go fishing
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:24am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Looks like they’ve lost you, Poppa.
    Bridges it is.
    What were they thinking???
    Were they thinking???
    
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    February 27, 2018 12:54pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Thinking? Shaun the Sheep no way in the world to know what was in their minds but they were certainly not listening.
      
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      February 27, 2018 4:23pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Yes Poppa Time to put some pressure on the electoral commission to add another colour and a specific box to tick “Informal” on the ballot form. A distinctive no vote for “all the above”. Suggested colour Puce.
    
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    February 27, 2018 4:20pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  None of the five are as Labour Lite as John Key, and he won three times. Lack of charisma may be a problem though.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:37am
holysheet

it’s the Jude and Steve show from today.
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February 27, 2018 8:02am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Might be the other way round, which I could live with.
  But please not twinset & pearls boring Amy Adams.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:09am
  - VicParking
    
    If they “jerk” to the left they will loose my vote. It’s the old story with National rather than convince the Voter that ‘To the Right To, the Right” they move their policies to the left, to the left to pick up votes.
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:56am
Chuck Bird

This should be another reason why women should not get off with half the time in jail for assaulting their partners. It is not just common assault but it affects all sentences women got including murder. I wonder how long she would have got in NZ. This woman is pure evil

Devastated father received taunting texts after his ex murdered their two-year-old daughter

A devastated father has revealed his ex-partner sent him taunting messages moments before murdering their daughter in a revenge for him moving out.

Paul Hogan, 24, moved out of his home with former partner Cody-Anne Jackson after their relationship of three years turned sour.

The father-of-one agreed to looking after their two-year-old daughter Macey at weekends and thought everything was fine as he dropped her off in Staffordshire in October 2016.

But within hours Jackson smothered their two-year-old with a pillow after bombarding M Hogan with threatening messages.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12002290
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February 27, 2018 8:03am
cmm

Oes, noes! More global warming!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/101792763/short-flights-cancelled-in-and-out-of-heathrow-as-europe-hit-by-arctic-storm
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February 27, 2018 8:07am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  But, but, but …. any change in the weather (hot, cold, wet, dry, drought, flood, windy, still, up, down, left, storm, cyclone) is caused by CO2.
  
  It must be true, because, you know, Chicken Little says so!
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:11am
- mjw
  
  Extreme Arctic warm event stuns scientists as record-breaking temperatures reach the North Pole.
  
  https://mashable.com/2018/02/26/arctic-heat-wave-north-pole-february-sea-ice/#i7WsSqn5hkqF
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:22am
- fernglas
  
  cmm. Did you notice that the reason it is so cold in the UK is because a stream of warm air has extraordinarily pushed up into the Arctic, driving temperatures there up to 40C above average, and pushing the cold Arctic air down to the UK? So perhaps your link isn’t evidence for your position on climate change.
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:25am
  - cmm
    
    Air moving in is going to push other air out – regardless of temperature. Air moving out is going to suck other air in – regardless of temperature.
    
    What I object to is the very thin science here.
    
    We have man-made CO2 being blamed for a wide range of different outcomes with very tenuous causal linkage.
    
    What we’re seeing here is far more akin to religious reasoning: the universe exists and something must have made it so therefore god exists. But nothing made god; god was always here.
    
    On top of that much of the scientific-sounding reasoning backing some arguments is a bit dodgy.
    
    CO2 coming out of cows is bad, but the same CO2 coming out of whales or krill or herds of zebras is fine.
    
    CO2 is going to cause acidification which is going to kill off shellfish, yet shellfish – virtually indistinguishable from what we have now – existed in the Triassic period when CO2 levels were 5 times what they are now. Oh, plants and various animals flourished too!
    
    Now maybe CO2 really is a big problem and maybe mankind and population is to blame, but the science is sketchy to say the least!
    
    Science is increasingly so politicised and ideologically driven that it is no longer driven by the scientific method (if, indeed, it ever really was).
    
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    February 27, 2018 11:31am
    - Lance
      
      So you are now saying no science was ever driven by scientific method????
      
      ……………………………………….. what a clown
      
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      February 27, 2018 12:03pm
      - cmm
        
        Nope. Not at all saying that no science was ever driven by the scientific method.
        
        I am saying that there has probably never been a time when science was mainly driven by the scientific method.
        
        And it certainly is not now.
        
        These days the major goal seems to be to secure prestige and funding and that has been quite common in the past too.
        
        The really easy and lazy way to get funding these days is to hook your research to climate change, gender politics or some such.
        
        Dissent is no longer welcomed as an opportunity to find out something different, but is shouted down.
        
        While this has become more powerful recently, it has always existed.
        
        Consider, for example, the rise of tectonic plate theory in the 1960s (it predates that, but 1960s was when it was a hot-button issues).
        
        The alternate theory was that there were no plates moving sideways but instead the earth’s crust would rise up and erosion would then bring it down again (let’s call that the in-situ theory).
        
        In the 1960s many scientists had PhDs about the in-situ theory and had published many papers on it. Many had a lifetime of work invested in the in-situ theory.
        
        Then along come the platists with some pretty compelling evidence. However being a platist could get you fired from a faculty because the in-situists had the power and they didn’t like their ideas challenged.
        
        You can understand that from a personal level. You don’t want to have worked on something your whole life and have your whole ego wrapped up in it for someone to just come along and say naah, its junk mate!
        
        Now I’m up for devil’s advocate. All new – and old – ideas should be challenged. But platism vs in-situism went further than that.
        
        We see the same happening with string theory, various fields of medicine, etc etc etc.
        
        And now we’re seeing it with climate science.
        
        As Plank said more than 70 years ago: “A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents…, but rather because its opponents eventually die.”
        
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        February 27, 2018 12:29pm
      - Lance
        
        Then you need to change your last paragraph, because that is exactly what you wrote
        
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        February 27, 2018 5:20pm
KiWombat

The achievements of GangGreen.

Thought I would start harvesting suggestions from the KB audience about the achievements of GangGreen whilst they have been polishing chairs in the Parliamentary Debating chamber, and numerous other locations.

I recall some years ago Jeanette Fitszimons claiming that she, virtually single handedly, invented the CFL light bulb. Somehow I doubt that is true, but lets give them a tick for that.

At about the same time she declared that she had some involvement with a shower head that restricted flow to 10 litres per second, which would have meant my hot water cylinder would be empty in 13 ½ seconds – some achievement that one ! Not sure whether that one deserves a tick ?

Then there was the eradication of powelliphanta augustus – remember that one? Not sure whether it was their intention to eradicate the giant NZ snail, but they managed to do just that ! Tick or Cross – comment please –

Please feel free to post any additions to this list.
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February 27, 2018 8:08am
- cmm
  
  Well they did help Labour cut 2 billion dollars of the revenue by sabotaging the partial asset sales. That saved the planet from the destruction that would have happened if they’d built a few more hospitals and schools.
  
  Funny how there’s no action to follow up the bluster of nationalising these assets.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:14am
  - KiWombat
    
    Thanks cmm – will factor that into equation
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:33am
    - tf78
      
      What about the use of un-treated timber leading to the leaky homes catastrophe and the Aussie ones not letting people clear trees around their homes in the bush which lead to the devastating forest fires, the anti-smacking bill and the blood cycle ways.
      
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      February 27, 2018 8:54am
      - KiWombat
        
        It may well be GangGreen who decide to live in the bush, but they can’t be held responsible for the bushfires.
        
        Always amazes me why people choose to live in the Australian bush, and then complain like mad when a bushfire comes through and destroys everything !
        
        Suppose the anti smacking bill could go on the list though, for what it is worth !
        
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        February 27, 2018 9:08am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        They can be held responsible for the level of destruction.
        
        I saw a documentary in which an Aboriginal woman started a bush fire while the grass was still at a level where it would quickly burn off and no worse destruction followed. She said that is how it had always been, and trying to prevent low-level bush fires would just allow huge destruction to follow later.
        
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        February 27, 2018 12:02pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    KiWombat, how about the GangGreens involvement in demanding limited air vents on the Pike River Mine construction. That certainly turned sour for everyone.
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:43am
    - KiWombat
      
      Yes that is a questionable achievement WG. Not sure whether it deserves a tick. Also not sure how to factor costs – what cost on a life?
      
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      February 27, 2018 8:49am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        The Pike River families struggle with that too.
        How much compensation will be enough?
        Sky’s the limit evidently.
        
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        February 27, 2018 10:00am
    - Liberty
      
      Tunneling under the snails instead of a road
      Wasn’t the best of plans.
      
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      February 27, 2018 10:40am
- holysheet
  
  Their greatest achievement is their progressive posadividy in supporting this COL govt that the drunken dwarf appointed. Despite their groveling to obtain cabinet seats at the cost of their party principles, they have achieved at least this.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:24am
  - KiWombat
    
    Hardly worth a tick though?
    
    I’m looking for positive achievements, alas there appears to be so few !
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:35am
- Harkman
  
  Remember “rock-snot?” That was infecting all our rivers and streams the last time the left had control. Naturally the Greens were far too busy pushing through the Anti-smacking legislation and regulating kids lunch boxes. All because they care ‘solely’ about the environment. Ha.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:50am
  - KiWombat
    
    Again, they can’t be held responsible for the rock snot. But as you say they were asleep at the wheel while this was happening – worrying about lunch boxes etc. instead of the environment !
    
    Same sort of issue as the Giant Snail !
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:11am
    - Longknives
      
      I lost so much sleep over those unfortunate Snails…
      
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      February 27, 2018 10:39am
      - KiWombat
        
        I think they were removed from the site to be “saved” and then put into a climate controlled environment.
        
        All good until the air conditioning broke down !
        
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        February 27, 2018 11:38am
- VicParking
  
  No more coal being burnt so power prices will go through the roof in a few years. Snails 1 Coal exports 0.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:01am
  - KiWombat
    
    True true. But we can look forward to solar panels and wind generators on GangGreen offices, sure that will make a difference Vic !
    
    At the end of the process I will attempt to calculate what each achievement has cost the taxpayer – but I won’t be able to factor in what MeTu has managed to screw out of the taxpayer in fraudulent payments !
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:13am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Unstinting support of unprofitable Windflow technology
  
  https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/windflow-technology-calls-time-turbine-manufacturing-b-207712
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/97287535/windflow-down-to-48-employees–minus-founder-henderson
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:13am
Andrei

I might not be the first on the thread but let’s begin the day with some scatological levity before the trolls appear
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February 27, 2018 8:10am
- VicParking
  
  I did not realise Stephie wore Glasses.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:04am
JibberJabber

Pat Condell hits it outta the park…..again

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=65a_1519658423

Usual suspects who are easily triggered by fact and logic head for ur safe space.
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February 27, 2018 8:10am
- Inandout
  
  Brilliant analysis of what is going on, and today’s National vote will continue this trend.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:51am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Jibber Jabber , nobody seems to preventing his free speech or censoring his ideas on live leaks or whatever .
  
  As former Catholic priest I wonder what kind society he envisages ?
  
  An alt right theocracy ?
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:55am
  - Harkman
    
    “As former Catholic priest I wonder what kind society he envisages?”
    
    Evidence? I think you are confusing him with Pat Buchanan.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:09am
    - stephieboy
      
      Harkman , your are right .
      
      Born in Ireland and raised in England a Roman Catholic according to Wiki
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:15am
      - Harkman
        
        You said, “As former Catholic priest”
        
        He is a passionate atheist, and you provided no evidence he was ever a priest.
        
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        February 27, 2018 9:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Gee, do you ever check the information you source, stephieboy?
        
        Do you think his “b&W thinking” might have more to do with his being educated in Church of England schools?
        
        Pat Condell was born on 23 November 1949 in Dublin, Ireland into an impoverished family. He was raised in England. He endured a difficult childhood as his father was a compulsive gambler who died of leukemia when Pat was quite young. After attending a series of different Church of England schools, he dropped out at the age of 16 to fend for himself.
        https://www.thefamouspeople.com/profiles/pat-condell-32820.php
        
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        February 27, 2018 10:21am
      - kowtow
        
        your are right
        
        Fuck , that is so wrong.
        
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        February 27, 2018 11:02am
  - Harkman
    
    “An alt right theocracy ?”
    
    There it goes the same comment everyday, you must be a Hilary supporter.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:12am
    - stephieboy
      
      Harkman . I think his black and white thinking mirrors much of old RC dogma .
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:17am
      - Harkman
        
        What Democracy, Free speech and Secularism. Gee Condell must be evil, telling the truth and all that.
        
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        February 27, 2018 9:24am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Pat has been banned from that bastion of free speech Youtube and a number of other sites oddly enough.
    But hey, stay ignorant, remain in ur bubble whatever you do don`t venture outside, reality bites.
    If you had a clue about anything you would understand that a theocracy of any description is the last thing Pat is advocating.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:36am
Inandout

An ex and bearded reporter wants to ban all plastics, starting with supermarket bags. Then all the handy bags we use every day from food shops. Mr Vines, our PMs party are not going to be idiots and turn off most voters, because many of us use plastic bags around the home. The only places I see bags blowing around are in housing corp areas.
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February 27, 2018 8:12am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I often see supermarket trolleys parked up on the sidewalk in the housing corp areas, too.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:40am
  - VicParking
    
    See thats one way on saving having to use bags.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:06am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      There’s something about housing corp areas and disarray. It’s almost as if the perpetual untidiness of the yards and the inability of the tenants to clean up after themselves are an important signal to the State of “neediness” and “look after me.”
      
      Perhaps if a tenant looks like they have their act together, their case manager will press them to move along and find employment.
      
      This state of “learned helplessness” forms the basis for the symbiotic relationship between State welfare provider and beneficiary. They both need each other to survive.
      
      What will happen when a recession hits and NZ is once again faced with 10% unemployment last seen in the early 1990s?
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:59am
  - kowtow
    
    In the student area in Dunedin tomorrow’s leaders throw them in the river. As well as smashing bottles all over their slum district.
    
    No doubt they all support whatever faddish ban is currently being advocated.
    
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    February 27, 2018 11:05am
- Happychappy
  
  If councils did their job properly a lot of the rubbish blowing around would halve, on rubbish day it is just hit and miss with a lot of workers and on hitting the ground it is left for other to clean up.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:53am
  - Kabull
    
    That’s a bit harsh, HC. Where I live householders who dont care – or dont realise – put their recycling bins out on windy days without anything to stop the local breezes wafting their plastic and paper all over the neighbourhood. By mid-morning the streets can strewn with rubbish. I am in constant admiration of our local rubbish collectors, who invariably pick up all the loose crap as well as the bins, so that by the time they have done their rounds the streets are clear. Of course the dear householder whose rubbish has been blown everywhere has no idea what their carelessness has meant because they are ensconced warmly in their offices.
    And the useless wheelie bins are also a problem because they, too, get blown over and release their contents on to the road or footpath. Again, the collectors clear the mess up.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:08am
    - KiWombat
      
      I have witnessed the same problem Kabull. Except my experience was in an area where the single truck operator did not collect any of the refuse, and in fact drove straight over it.
      
      Also the wheelie bins blew down the road until stopped by a fence – and there they remained for several weeks !
      
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      February 27, 2018 11:44am
- Gabby
  
  Your ex has a beard downanout?
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:02am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  All the plastic bags most of us get from the supermarket end up either recycled or under the ground in the tip, not in the ocean.
  
  It’s a form of insanity to blame inanimate objects for problems that are really caused by human behaviour and it’s all across the political spectrum: plastic, guns, drugs and alcohol, sugar, TV shows, etc.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:11am
  - KevOB
    
    The bags work too. You can’t pack too much in them. Have the opponents thought about human injury from lifting larger alternatives?
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:33am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Made the mistake of buying one of those trolley bags years ago. Big mistake.
      Everything in one bag, so by the time I’d hauled the thing inside I was exhausted and all my purchases were crushed.
      
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      February 27, 2018 6:55pm
      - Johnboy
        
        You’re not meant to put the spuds on top of the eggs and the strawberrys! 🙂
        Why do you think they train checkout operators? 🙂
        
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        February 27, 2018 7:18pm
fernglas

The fuss over the Ardern 60 Minutes interview demonstrates a sad fact of contemporary life. Everyone’s opinion is equal, from the most ignorant to the most educated. It is the same with facts. In the absence of any gate-keeper, facts these days are simply information that you choose to believe, whether it is objectively supported and regardless of the reliability of its source. That applies to opinions. If you agree with someone, their opinion is automatically right, and anyone who disagrees with that opinion is wrong.

The loss of critical thinking engendered by contemporary methods of information dissemination is leading us to a society where opinions and ideas aren’t exchanged, evaluated and perhaps accepted, but simply become the subject of polarised dispute. The great saving of humanity has always been its ability to think critically and accept the validity of opposing views.

Am I alone in thinking we are losing that ability to absorb, evaluate and if appropriate, accept alternative views? Are we lessened as a society as a result?
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February 27, 2018 8:13am
- jv
  
  Yes to absorb, evaluate and, variously, decide for ourselves. Rather than a fetish of fawning media personalities offering partisan opinion and seeking reinforcement via talk back/twitter. Nauseating.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:34am
- VicParking
  
  So when she is Do Da’d up and photo shopped for the front page on all these magazines its to maker look more Prime Ministerish.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Folks have always been susceptible to groupthink.
  
  It’s not a contemporary phenomenon.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:12am
  - fernglas
    
    But were you not once hopeful that we were moving towards independent critical thinking as a societal norm? Or do we just give up and go back to the dark ages?
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:42am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @Fernglas
      
      Just as there has always been group thinkers, there have been independent thinkers, mavericks, and off-the-planet wierdos.
      
      The dark ages do not seem attractive. Once the knowledge genie is out of the bottle, it can’t be put back easily.
      At a political level, perhaps we have not advanced much from the dark ages… folks still killing each other all around the world.
      But within our society, I experience greater advantages and freedoms than my mother and grandmothers did. The possibilities for my daughters seem greater still.
      
      We just have to ensure the groupthinkers don’t take control of all our minds.
      
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      February 27, 2018 10:52am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Completely disagree.
  
  What’s important is that people are able to get new ideas out there and have them discussed and evaluated by others, and the ability to do that has never been greater than it is today.
  
  But it takes time for good ideas to triumph over bad ideas. The temporary irritation of bad ideas getting an audience before finally being rejected is something that I don’t think can be avoided.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:46am
  - KevinH
    
    Actually Trumps idea to have guns in schools has triggered a passionate debate that may eventuate in a result.
    Therefore there is validity in bad idea’s.
    
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    February 27, 2018 12:12pm
- KiWombat
  
  Atilla the hen wasn’t worried by the attention she received – SMILE !
  
  What this country needs are more unemployed politicians !
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:20am
peterwn

When is the result due? I understand that Parliamentary Services refused to install a pot belly stove and a highly visible chimney in National’s caucus room.
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February 27, 2018 8:15am
- holysheet
  
  At least they wont have to change the size and height of the mirrors, like they had to do in the drunken dwarfs office.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:30am
- waikatogirl
  
  The leadership announcement is due about 12.00.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:47am
  - KevinH
    
    Well they missed the midday bulletin on RNZ, so I guess that makes it 1.00pm, maybe later if they break for lunch.
    RNZ is saying the announcement will come before 1.00pm.
    
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    February 27, 2018 12:16pm
- Batman
  
  Caucus starts at 10am, so depending on how many rounds of voting there are, anywhere from 11ish to 1pm
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:59am
- VicParking
  
  No just look for the blood splatters on the window.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:11am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Oooh goody, that’ll mean Judith won.
    
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    February 27, 2018 10:16am
oldpark

Memo to the National Party Caucus who will be electing a new leader today.
Just a warning to all of you. Judith Collins is the only person in your caucus equipped to engage the person known as “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern,and her selector the Narcissistic Sociopath known as Winston Peters,in our Parliamentary debating chamber,as well as exposing the farcial sneaky type of flip flop Goverment the rat bag Peters selected.
As TanaUmanga the Rugby Player once said “Rugby is not a game of tiddlewinks”,neither is politics.
A tough opposition Party led by Judith Collins is what the good ship NZ needs.In fact the well being of its citizens and futures well being is at stake ,should the wrong leader be selected . That would allow the present dictatorship type of Government,run by Peters, completely destroy the infra structure of a nation hard fought for over many many years.
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February 27, 2018 8:20am
- freethinker
  
  The National caucus has a problem in that electing who they prefer may not be what their support base wants so lose that support come 2020. Joyce & Collins the A team Bridges & Collins the reserve team other combinations probably the losing team.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:52am
  - tf78
    
    As it’s a conscience type vote, maybe privately they will all do the right thing and vote for Judith – she’d make NZ great again!
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:10am
  - VicParking
    
    As I said above they have to stop moving the policies to what the “focus groups” say and convince people that traditional National policies are best for the country.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:13am
- Harkman
  
  “Narcissistic Sociopath known as Winston Peters”
  
  A scientifically very accurate description.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:27am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    You left out ‘slowly decomposing’
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:42am
    - kowtow
      
      Surely the alcohol pickling process will retard the decomposition?
      
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      February 27, 2018 11:10am
Happychappy

Why don’t MSM ask Bryce Edwards how many times in the last nine years was he correct when picking who would win the last four General Elections, when Goff, Shearer,Cunliffe and Little were the Leaders of Labour.Then ask how many times he predicted that one of these Labour Leaders would beat John Key, so how would he know that Jacinda Ardern will win the 2020 General Election after Four Months into her three year term. This political hypocrite needs to stick to what he knows best and even that is pretty poor and in line with many other left wing Journlists in NZ more about themselves and their political leanings than fact or truth. People and those that like transparency will soon get sick of the media’s lies and will finally see through the bullshit that is being printed and then we will see a backlash against the Coalition and their partners in the media for their blatant lies.
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February 27, 2018 8:21am
- Tarquin North
  
  Bryce Edwards should hide himself behind a pay wall somewhere.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:43am
- Gabby
  
  Why don’t you ask him chappy?
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:07am
- VicParking
  
  Bryce should shift to reading the 3am news, thats all he’s good for.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:15am
kowtow

If Palmer , Parker and Little think this is a good idea then it must be a dogs dinner.

‘New Zealand’s Bill of Rights is about to be given some teeth, after the Government announced yesterday courts will be able to declare laws have breached it.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/rights-bill-getting-some-teeth
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February 27, 2018 8:25am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Time to vet judges for their political leanings now the way they do in the US. This is a very disturbing constitutional infringement.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:30am
  - fernglas
    
    Not really that disturbing. The AG is currently required to report to Parliament whether legislation infringes the Bill of Rights, so Parliament has the opportunity before it is passed to amend or vote down the proposed statutory provisions. If legislation is subsequently discovered by the Courts to be inconsistent with the BofR, then it seems sensible for Parliament to have a fresh look. If Parliament has already considered the BofR inconsistency and chosen to overlook it, then I can’t see the Courts exercising the power to make a declaration, as that would be inconsistent with the supremacy of Parliament.
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:53am
  - kowtow
    
    More constitutional change by stealth.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:00am
- Huevon
  
  Someone should challenge the waka-jumping legislation on this basis.
  
  Andrew Little’ s petard, let me introduce you to a hoist….
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:43am
  - fernglas
    
    The waka jumping legislation is clearly in breach of the Bill of Rights. The AG will report to Parliament that this is the case. The report will be ignored, and with the support of the spineless Greens and the hypocritical Labour party, it will become law.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:45am
- Gabby
  
  You reckon gummint should be above the law do you kobknob.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:09am
  - rangitoto
    
    The gummint make the law gob gob. If they make contradictory law then it is up to the gummint to fix it.
    
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    February 27, 2018 12:19pm
    - Gabby
      
      Well done rangidodo, kobknob missed that.
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:17pm
- KevOB
  
  Bad. This is to invite lawfare. Opinion about dubious law can be expressed now.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:37am
- Tarquin North
  
  Imagine Palmer running a commercial enterprise -apart from a jobs for the boys law firm. You couldn’t trust him to organise the business cards.
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:23am
DigNap15

If Simon Bridges wins then he and Jacinda will be leaders in the house together as they were on that breakfast tv shows years ago. The Young somethings.
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February 27, 2018 8:32am
- Gabby
  
  As Leader Slimy Britches would be much better placed to push for getting those bridges built wouldn’t he bignip!s.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:11am
  - 3-coil
    
    Gabby – why on earth would the National Party push to build the bridges? The sophisticated burghers of Northland voted against that proposal – they didn’t want them. They preferred to have Winston as their MP at the time.
    
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    February 27, 2018 10:56am
DigNap15

Anyone but Aimlessy Adams please.
We do not need a progressive in National, and if anything we need a move to the right.
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February 27, 2018 8:33am
waikatogirl

Duncan Garner says Brad Pitt has bought the movie rights to Mark Mitchell’s life.
Is this a joke, possibly not?!
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February 27, 2018 8:34am
- holysheet
  
  And Helen has the movie rights to Cindys life. The short 20 minute film will be dominated by her time in the chippy at Morrinsville.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:41am
  - Harkman
    
    “Helen has the movie rights to Cindys life. The short 20 minute film will be dominated by her time in the chippy at Morrinsville.”
    
    It will include her time babysitting, her career as a hairdresser and subsequent career as an airhostess, oops (Android spelling) I meant Airhead. Luckily, trips to the dentist have been edited, too repetitive.
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:57am
    - Gabby
      
      You can write the script hackman.
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:11am
      - Harkman
        
        School starting late today Gabby? Teacher’s only day today.
        
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        February 27, 2018 9:14am
cmm

” Are we lessened as a society as a result?”

Certainly!

When did it all start? Well I think we can trace this all back to rot that set in with the Walkman in 1970s and has got worse ever since.

That might sound preposterous, but consider this.

Before the Walkman, people had to negotiate far more with each other, on so many levels. That constant negotiation at a personal level is healthy for a society. It requires discussion. It requires critical thinking. It requires pitting your ideas and preferences against others. It also means you sometimes have to listen to ideas and tastes counter to your own and perhaps learn something and change your mind.

Individualised experiences of the world change that: you can make your own little bubble and live in it. Your bubble is as relevant as anyone else’s bubble and nobody is allowed to challenge it (white males excluded).

Music listening started out as “What music shall we listen to?” and negotiations of “All right one more Abba track, then let’s listen to this new Police album”. That became became multiple people listening to their own Walkmans. No more negotiation. Eventually that lead to ipods and internet music feeds. No longer do you even decide what to listen to for yourself, some Spotify algorithm decides.

What is on TV was replaced with tapes and DVDs and, eventually, personal video feeds. With tapes a family might have to discuss what they’d watch: “We had a chick flick last week, how about a shoot-em-up?”. Now there’s less negotiation. No more discussion over what constitutes good vs bad TV. Now it’s all relative. And, again, the decision making is going: some damn Netflix algorithm probably decides what you watch.

Now we no longer even have truth. Everyone lives their own truth. Your truth is as good as anybody else’s truth. 2+2=4 is just your opinion.

No wonder we have a generation of snowflakes who go to university – a place where your ideas are supposed to be challenged – and all run for the puppy room as soon as an uncomfortable idea comes along.
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February 27, 2018 8:35am
- Peter
  
  Fair point, but I find it infinitely preferably to the very narrow world of old. We were limited to a small set of ideas and world views in this little island at the end of the world (Oh wow! TV2! Two TV channels!)
  
  Now, geographical boundaries don’t mean much. There is a massive pool of people to communicate with and to share ideas with.
  
  If the price is people negotiate less, or choose to self-limit, so be it. I’d rather be spoiled for choice.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:45am
  - cmm
    
    Who needs more choice in TV channels?
    
    I much prefer the other choices which we have in NZ. If I feel like going fishing tonight I can choose to head down to the Waimak mouth and try for kahawia or salmon, up to the lakes for rainbows or a small stream for some browns… Choices, choices!
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:52am
    - Peter
      
      I don’t watch broadcast TV. I’m reminded of what it used to be like to have limited media. It was rubbish.
      
      I prefer Kiwiblog to the MSM, for example. That wasn’t a possibility in the past. It was the MSM or….fax, perhaps.
      
      I think I communicate with more people now, and the scope is a lot wider, than when we were limited by geographic boundaries.
      
      The fishing is still here 🙂
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:08am
      - cmm
        
        Hey I certainly appreciate the ability to choose many things, but the context of this is that there is down side too.
        
        Too much personal choice does stunt the development of negotiation, compromise and critical thinking.
        
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        February 27, 2018 9:20am
- stephieboy
  
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  cmm,
  
  Walkman, Spotify etc does not mean causation . Why not go back to the 45rpm disc , 78s and so forth . Bill Hal!ey and the Comets . Elvis , the Beatles etc
  
  Everyone lives their own Truth ?
  
  What is your Truth , cmm ?
  Trumpland , alt right vs Snowflake or whatever ?
  
  Do you like your ideas challenged . Nope ! Often a torrent of abuse .
  
  A load of nonsense. .
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:47am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Seriously?
    
    Do you like your ideas challenged . Nope ! Often a torrent of abuse .
    
    The cognitive dissonance is truly mindblowing.
    There`s 3 fingers pointing back at you Mr Lack of Self-awareness.
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:55am
    - cmm
      
      Be nice in the sandpit. Stephie’s reality is as valuable to the world as anybody else’s reality.
      
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      February 27, 2018 8:58am
  - holysheet
    
    Fuck off you moron. Your constant stooopid comments here on KB are proof there is no god. If there was, he/she/it would have got rid of you years ago.
    
    Lets do this.
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:59am
    - mandk
      
      It doesn’t prove there is no God.
      God abolished purgatory and gave us Stephie instead.
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:07am
      - Gabby
        
        Purgatory manky? Ever the optimist.
        
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        February 27, 2018 9:15pm
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm , see what I mean . Alt right truth in it’s full regalia of abuse .
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:08am
      - cmm
        
        stephie:
        
        Please don’t say it is abuse. That’s such a judgemental word.
        
        It is their reality that you’re a moron.
        
        You have to be sensitive to other people’s realities too. If you don’t accept their reality then you are a bigot.
        
        And we don’t want anyone to think you are a bigot do we?
        
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        February 27, 2018 9:15am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        That’s rich coming from you.
        
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        February 27, 2018 10:21am
    - Kimbo
      
      See, because that is imprecation concerning the death of another, not advocacy or endorsement, and it is bloody amusing, you earned my uptick, holysheet. ?
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:15am
  - VicParking
    
    Morning Stephie, getting up everyone’s Goat again this morning. Might make Aisha bint Abu Bakr jealous ??
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:21am
- Gabby
  
  Yew’ve just edited ghettoblorsters out of existence cmmiebokkie.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:13am
  - cmm
    
    Ghettoblasters are a bit like lefties:
    
    They inflict their “tastes” on you with no negotiation.
    
    If you try to have a civil discussion about it they get violent (antifa-style).
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:31am
    - Gabby
      
      I guess you’ve missed the ongoing interest in live music cmmiebokkie. But where oar the sjamboks?
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:14pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I remember rhe bad old days in the 80’s of disease-of-the-week movies on both channels several nights a week. Thank god for VHS.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:53am
RF

When I have time I must go through Labours constitution to see how they choose a female leader.

What I am looking for is the clause that stipulates that they must have abnormal looking teeth.

Looking at photos of the commie chick and Herr Flick Clark this morning supports this.

Just saying…
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February 27, 2018 8:44am
- VicParking
  
  Maybe its just an indictment on how they knelt their way to the top
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:23am
  - RF
    
    Is that why they used to call the commie chick Dyson in her Student days.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:52am
- Gabby
  
  Let’s have a look at those gnashers of yours rf rf, your owner unmuzzles you for feeds doesn’t she.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:27am
  - RF
    
    Gabby.
    
    The commie reminds me of a beaver chomping through trees.
    
    Next time you come home if it’s not too late come into my kennel and I will show you my teeth.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:42am
    - Gabby
      
      No fleas on me rf rf, I’ll be steering well clear of your pearly whites.
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:11pm
Humble Capitalist

I challenge anyone to read the following two articles in their entirety without being angry at the end of it. Does this out of touch idiot Little stop to think about the real victims of crime? Regardless of whether the victim is a sex worker this could have happened to any one of our daughters, nieces, neighbours etc when having a night out. It sickens me that Little wants to go on about the rights of these scum criminals that do these things to people and they want to lighten sentences! My blood boils! How would you feel if it was your daughter on a night out??
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/101696753/inside-the-brutal-and-disturbing-murder-of-renee-duckmanton
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11999980
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February 27, 2018 8:55am
RF

I see Labour are back to their old tricks……

Lyttelton Port workers are ready to go on strike for at least 6 days…

I remember that pre election our gobby PM made some sort of statement concerning no strikes on her watch….

More lies………………….
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February 27, 2018 8:58am
- Lance
  
  Cindy will just dance on a pinhead and declare she only promised no nationwide strikes.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:00am
  - KiWombat
    
    “No. It won’t happen on my watch!”
    
    Yeah – right
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:26pm
- VicParking
  
  Health and Safety Issues are acceptable.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:24am
  - Lance
    
    Except that it isn’t
    The train managers never had anything to do with safety… long story but they have no authority and will not act.
    The new transport security personal CAN act. But why have them on a commuter train?
    Everyone knows where they are going and the ferals aren’t out of bed yet.
    Roving security is the new proposal, targeting know trouble times and routes.
    
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    February 27, 2018 5:25pm
- cmm
  
  No wonder she only does interviews where they only ask questions about babies.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:34am
- waikatogirl
  
  Like the 3 weeks strike action of the commuter trains in Auckland disrupting kiwi workers lives, and during the busiest period of students returning to university. So much for reliable public transport being the ultimate promotion by the GangGreens and Liarbor.
  More ammunition for National to use at the next election.
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:03am
Harkman

So it looks like Barbara Deaver (Brahbrah Dreebrah) wants to turn the NZ Health system into a Pacific Islands charity. Great, yes the very thing we all need is health resources stretched further to cater for small nations that overeat.
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February 27, 2018 9:02am
- fernglas
  
  I loved the very muscular response of the Tongan doctor who said that the kidney failure people were victims of their own lack of willingness to address their diabetes through diet and exercise. He said that by the time they get to renal failure they have had 5-10 years to change their lives and have chosen not to. He also said that the Tongan government had considered getting a dialysis unit and had chosen not to, as it would simply enable people not to address their own illness. If the Tongan government has made this political decision in the interests of the health of its people, TVNZ should just butt out and respect their sovereignty.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:12am
  - Gabby
    
    I bet they’d rustle up a machine pdq if a tongan royal filed to address the consequences of his gluttony.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:16am
    - Kimbo
      
      Nah, quicker to fly to a private clinic in the USA.
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:24am
  - MCos
    
    Imagine if the NZ health service was run on the basis that anyone participating in a reckless activity would not have their treatment subsidized by the taxpayer.
    That would effect the overweight, smokers, a whole variety of sportspeople, drinkers, drivers, Saturday night jivers, butchers, bakers, motorway makers, secret humpers, bungee jumpers . . . . . .
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:45am
    - fernglas
      
      I imagine that if someone in this country had been told to cease a harmful activity and had refused to do so, they would be well down the list for life-saving treatment
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:49am
    - KevOB
      
      I believe that is an unstated consideration in some treatment situations.
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:56am
    - marcw
      
      If those 9 people treated in ED on the weekend for Ecstasy poisoning (and who thankfully are now OK) were sent the bill for the cost of their visit I’m sure they would think twice about it before the next time. Why should taxpayers support them if they can afford to buy illegal drugs and ignore commonsense advice? They are illegal for a good reason.
      
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      February 27, 2018 11:47am
      - fernglas
        
        On this one, I was surprised at all the fuss about a contaminated batch of Ecstasy, and yet neither the hospitals, media or Police even described the tablets. Party pills are all made with distinctive colours and patterns, so it would have been easy enough to say what the bad batch looked like. Instead they were busy telling people who had E’s to flush them all. Is this a deliberate approach, at the expense of individuals who may still have the specific tablets but will now not get rid of them, to serve some wider deterrent purpose? If so,it is naive and possibly dangerous. FFS, even at Woodstock they told people what the bad acid looked like, and that was nearly 50 years ago
        
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        February 27, 2018 12:11pm
      - kowtow
        
        fernglas
        
        If they described the “bad” batch and some dumb c#nt drug user continued taking drugs which he then decided was from a “safe” batch , but nonetheless suffered some ill effects ,they’d still be blamed for doing the wrong thing.
        
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        February 27, 2018 2:28pm
  - KevOB
    
    It’s the Pasifika way being what we call fat can be considered culturally beautiful. Also it may show rank. The poor cannot eat so well nor survive as readily through hurricane famines. Cheap mutton fat from NZ has fattened up many in a boilup of mutton flaps.
    
    I appreciate the Tongan Doctor’s position–they do have to have a massive cultural change. Who would get to use the dialysis machines? The nobles would be first and spare capacity would be unlikely.
    
    I am not unsympathetic to their plight. This is Pacific wide and we have our share too in NZ.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:53am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      I know a pair of brothers from Tongan stock. Both great role models for Pasifika people. One of them is heavily in to exercise and fitness, and is built like the proverbial concrete commode. The other, not so much, but is working on it!
      
      Big lad though!
      
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      February 27, 2018 10:41am
  - Lance
    
    More like a cover up for profligate spending and corruption.
    
    Not all kidney failure is caused by overweight / diabetes.
    Total failure of a govt
    
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    February 27, 2018 10:27am
- Longknives
  
  How come we are always hearing about the ‘Evils of Colonialism’ and how ‘White Man destroyed the Pacific Cultures’ etc etc
  But when a Hurricane wipes out Tonga, or someone gets sick they always come crawling to the poor old New Zealand Taxpayer for yet another handout?
  Seems that Colonialism was all bad but the White Man’s chequebook is okay?..
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:46am
  - kowtow
    
    yep ,another is this “cultural appropriation” fashion thingy.
    
    Well if cultural “appropriation” is so bad why do they want to hook up to kidney dialysis machines, drive automobiles , eat KFC and watch league?
    
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    February 27, 2018 2:23pm
Andrei

Is Jacinda Ardern New Zealand’s version of Justin Treadeau?
-Discuss
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February 27, 2018 9:05am
- mandk
  
  Yes, but she’s a bit less smug and try-hard.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:08am
  - Harkman
    
    But at least his teeth fit his head. Though he is pathetically fake (and a tryhard).
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:17am
  - Longknives
    
    “Yes, but she’s a bit less smug and try-hard”
    
    Really?
    I’ll make a bet with you-
    Jacinda will do a Trudeau ‘Photo Bomb’ stunt this year…
    
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    February 27, 2018 10:48am
- Gabby
  
  Was Jim Bolger the Justin Trudeau of accents? Did world leaders wonder if he was taking the piss?
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:18am
- Manolo
  
  I heard Miss Ardern on the radio this very morning. What a load of bollocks and waffle she gave the audience!
  
  This shallow PM is in the role thanks only to the venal Mr Peters, who decided to subvert the popular vote. Our country will pay dearly for this experiment.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:23am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Manolo. hmm.. ? Hillary won the popular vote 2016 !
    
    The US voter paying dearly for their experiment ?
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:32am
    - labrator
      
      Surpise, surprise. stephieboys contribution is “what about…”.
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:38am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        And he doesn’t even stick to the country on topic.
        Anything for a post.
        
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        February 27, 2018 11:06am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      SB, for goodness sake, Trump understood how the US political system works. He could have won more of the ‘popular vote’ but knew perfectly well that that wouldn’t not get him the presidency.
      
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      February 27, 2018 12:28pm
  - RF
    
    Manolo
    
    Was that when she was talking to Mike Hosking. What a load of back flipping bull shit. Her lies are catching up with her.
    
    She made the comment that the youth wage was just one of a thousand problems that she had.
    
    She reminds me of when I used to spear eels. Lots of wriggling and slime.
    
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    February 27, 2018 9:34am
    - simpleton1
      
      A great production of slime, “severely damaging one unlucky Prius”
      https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/07/hagfish-slime-is-wonderful/
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:58am
    - KKKKatee
      
      I think the PM is not enjoying the role. If she quips that she has “a thousand problems” then you know she’s in trouble. She’ll bail once she’s had the baby I reckon. The reality of dealing with a newborn and a thousand problems all at once doesn’t look appealing. After all, she did say early on in the piece she was in the role for a good time, not a long time. We shall see.
      She’s a train wreck already happening, and the train hasn’t even left the station.
      I don’t think we’ve ever had a PM who is so in your face uneconomical with the truth.
      
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      February 27, 2018 1:20pm
  - Lance
    
    I suspect Winny has multiple vendettas to settle.
    Including the entire NZ public for voting NZ First out a few years ago.
    He’ll laugh an evil laugh as NZ turns to shit under the monster CoL he has fashioned.
    “Take that you bastards”
    
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    February 27, 2018 10:30am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Shallow alright. She reckons she wasn’t particularly ‘fazed’ by the 60 Minutes interview. She reckons maybe it’s because she’s from Morrinsville that she’s not over sensitive or words to that effect. What the hell has coming from Morrinsville got to do with it PM? What an odd thing to say. One could easily get the impression she’s not firing on all cylinders……..
    One could argue perhaps it’s because she’s pregnant?
    I say rubbish to that.
    We have a PM who is clearly not enjoying her job….
    
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    February 27, 2018 1:34pm
    - RF
      
      And a bloody bare faced liar to boot.
      
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      February 27, 2018 3:31pm
- Inandout
  
  I’ll think about it, but I left ‘discuss’ at the last brain storming.
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:57am
Batman

Look people, without wanting to be too harsh on you, some here need to lay off on the Collins Viagra pills.

The reality is that JC has little appeal outside of the National base, which is where all of you firmly sit. To elect Judith would be a blunder on the scale of union leadership votes / Cunliffian proportions.

Luckily, the caucus aren’t the base. They talk to regular folk every day, and know that they need someone centre right but with broad appeal to moderates.

I’m gonna take a stab and say it’ll either be Soimon Brudges and Aymee Adims, with Joyce keeping finance. Anything more drastic would sentence the country to a minimum of six years under the drunken egotist and that nice lady having babies.
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February 27, 2018 9:06am
- Inandout
  
  Bman, electoral MPs may speak to their voters for opinion, but Lists seldom do. Parliament is badly out of touch with the people.
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:00am
- kowtow
  
  “They talk to regular folk every day”
  
  They may do , but they take their instructions from the “focus group” feedback memo.
  
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  February 27, 2018 2:19pm
Manolo

He is dreaming:
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/375551-juan-williams-three-black-women-could-beat-trump

The three strongest Democratic challengers to President Trump’s reelection are now all black women.

They are talk show queen Oprah Winfrey, former first lady Michelle Obama and Sen. Kamala Harris.
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February 27, 2018 9:20am
- VicParking
  
  Don’t forget Lupita Nyong’o and Danai Gurira
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:28am
- Inandout
  
  Is Michelle a woman? LOL
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:53am
- Classic Liberal
  
  So the Democrats are admitting that their voters vote on race and gender, rather than policies? Racist, sexist bunch, in other words.
  
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  February 27, 2018 12:30pm
Manolo

Adams, Joyce, and Bridges represent the same Labour lite epitomised by the vacuous John Key. National is lost if it elects one of them.
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February 27, 2018 9:29am
- Kimbo
  
  Yeah, beecause John Key was the National equivalent of Bill Rowling, leading his party to three election losses in a row. Oh, hold on…
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:45am
  - Inandout
    
    And the Left hated Key with a vengeance.
    
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    February 27, 2018 10:01am
    - sooty
      
      Still do. As evidence the trolls here are still bitter and twisted after how long?
      
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      February 27, 2018 11:40am
    - MCos
      
      Maybe so.
      Similarly Ardern seems to be hated with a vengeance by the right as represented by a good proportion of the people commenting here on Kiwiblog.
      What a suprise.
      
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      February 27, 2018 11:57am
    - Paulus
      
      The media have already condemned Bridges but have to be careful as he is Maori as is Paula Bennett.
      
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      February 27, 2018 1:13pm
      - KKKKatee
        
        What a shame Bridges isn’t pregnant. The media would be all over him like a bad rash, as they are with the PM. Bridges does, however, have a relatively new baby – born in December. Will the Womens’ mags and 60 Minutes now flock to Bridges for the back story? I think not.
        Will we now see constant coverage of baby Bridges?
        
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        February 27, 2018 1:23pm
srylands

I see that Wellington City Council is consulting on a cycleway along Thorndon Quay. Yet another wide, safe, and level road about to be transformed into a narrow and dangerous road.

Watch out for another cluster fuck similar to Island Bay.
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February 27, 2018 9:44am
EAD_TWO

Sometimes a picture can paint a thousand words – The “crisis” of Japans ageing population vs. Europes “solution”

https://twitter.com/wayotworld/status/968072389643948033
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February 27, 2018 9:50am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Morning, EAD_TWO.
  
  Since the dawning of the Golden Age of Japanese children’s animation back in the late 1950s, the android/robot has always been your friend in Japan. Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astro_Boy
  
  The rural villages are the parts of Japan the hardest hit by the falling birthrate, as the youngsters flock to the Kansai and Kanto regions in search of employment and a mate. (Let’s forget about the monogamy of modern youth in Tokyo.)
  
  Because Japan has such a clear vision of its identity, and values those aspects that set it apart, it is loath to allow outsiders to come and bring permanent change.
  
  Japan can change (and constantly absorbs ideas from outside) but changes on its own terms.
  
  Japan changes but it is still Japan. Europe changes, but is no longer Europe.
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:27am
  - Harkman
    
    See the Japanese guy in the Tokyo marathon almost beat all the Kenyans? In one race Japan had more sub 2:09 runners than America has ever had. Yet Japan isn’t fill with genetic freaks like other countries, it’s all about disciple and work ethic.
    
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    February 27, 2018 11:01am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Marathons favor smaller, lighter runners. Also, marathon running gets a lot of good publicity in Japan. The women rank quite highly in the world.
      
      Here’s the Tokyo Marathon (a bit like Auckland’s Round the Bays) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPwh2-j_Dg0
      
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      February 27, 2018 11:15am
EAD_TWO

Well, there you have it. Jews admit they’re leading the anti-gun movement:

https://forward.com/news/national/395005/seething-jewish-parents-and-students-lead-emotional-anti-gun-fight/

But if you dare argue the case that guns are a necessary defence against criminals and insurance against government tyranny, then you’re smeared as “anti-semitic”:

https://forward.com/opinion/395115/the-nra-has-an-anti-semitism-problem/

Suppose some comedian will be along to tell me that the Jewish Daily Forward is “nazi propganda!” 🙂
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February 27, 2018 9:56am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Occasionally the Jews will let slip who they really want to take guns off (no – it’s not the vibrant enricherss who commit 90%+ of the gun crimes):
  
  https://twitter.com/bessbell/status/967843248042524672
  
  GOOD NEW NRA SLOGAN: “You’re a straight, white, Christian man who despite having won the status lottery STILL doesn’t feel powerful at work, at home and in society, so buying an assault rifle will give you the violent delusion of strength you desperately crave even if kids die!”
  
  Apologies to the snowflakes for “noticing” but she’s hardly the first Jewish actress letting their true feelings about White Men be known in recent times!
  
  http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/11/03/lena-dunham-posts-video-celebrating-extinction-white-men-twitter
  
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  February 27, 2018 9:59am
  - Jack5
    
    EAD, I don’t share your prejudice against Jews, and I was surprised by an article from Australia’s ABC about some Jewish women having difficulty getting divorced because of Jewish religious law.
    
    I didn’t realise rabbis had so much power.
    
    However, hating Jews is illogical for a right winger, EAD.
    
    The mainstream West should emulate them. We could do with the drive, the self-belief, and the ambition of Israel, if matching its high-IQ gene pool would be a bloody sight harder.
    
    If the United States and Britain were as strong, energetic, and purposeful as Israel, the world would be much more stable – well at least in a Cold War stand-off way.
    
    Rabbis and Aussie would-be divorcees:
    
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-27/chained-women-jewish-wives-hostage-in-abusive-marriages/9464038
    
    By the way: Fuck Stephiestan!
    
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    February 27, 2018 10:24am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I agree with Jack5.
      
      The nations surrounding Israel could learn so much from her in terms of mutual benefit and wealth building.
      
      Alas, it is easier to point the finger at a scapegoat, as jealousy and victimhood are so much more palatable and comfortable than hard work and nation-building.
      
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      February 27, 2018 10:32am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        The nations surrounding Israel could learn so much from her in terms of mutual benefit and wealth building.
        
        Do you mean locking Arabs behind an enormous wall or turfing out Blacks who dare set foot there?
        
        When you say “building wealth”, do you just mean endless handouts from am assortment of goyim countries from America, Germany, France to even…….Romania……due to never ending holo-guilt?
        
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/romania-to-raise-payments-for-holocaust-survivors/
        
        Do you realise, nearly 73 years after WWII there are still 67,000 “Holocaust survivors” having their homecare paid for by Germany? Sixty Seven Thousand❗
        
        Add to that the millions who have since passed away, the hundreds of thousands who either don’t receive homecare or don’t have the German state pay for them the millions of Jews in Europe who lived out the war either in their own homes or fighting for the Allies or Whermacht then it really begins to make you wonder ???
        
        The Germans, normally noted for their ruthless efficiency, weren’t very good at the heavily marketed “final solution” now we’re they????.
        
        http://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/germany-oks-big-jump-in-survivors-homecare/
        
        Apologies in advance for thinking critically instead of with emotion.
        
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        February 27, 2018 11:43am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Here’s one example: hydroponics (growing stuff in a desert environment)
        Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEfI_sytST8
        
        If Israel can grow it, than its neighbors can too. Time to forge your swords into plowshares, or actions to that effect.
        
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        February 27, 2018 12:59pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      EAD, I don’t share your prejudice against Jews
      
      I don’t have any “prejudice” Jack. I think it’s the likes of you that has the “prejudice” – no matter how much evidence, facts, rationality and clear logical thinking I bring to the table, you dismiss these out of hand because it’s contra to your prejudices
      
      However, hating Jews is illogical for a right winger, EAD.
      
      You seem to think my sharing of these stories is motivated by “hate” rather than “truth”. Please show everyone on this blog one example of “hate” rather than seeking of the truth. I remember you once called me an “anti-semite” just because I posted a list of the leading Bolsheviks in the bloody Russian Revolution.
      
      Further, in the age of “identifying”, I don’t identify as a right winger (nor a left winger). These are just an artificial dividing line bought to us by the folks behind the French Revolution. Nor am I member of a political construct (country) with a piece of cardboard to prove it.
      
      I am a member of my family and a member of the British Nation of people. That is the objective truth.
      
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      February 27, 2018 11:22am
      - Jack5
        
        EAD, I believe in free speech and don’t dispute your right to hold your views.
        
        Since you raise Jews and Bolshevism … this extract from one of your posts (10 Nov 2017) surely encapsulates some of your more general views:
        
        What I find even more shocking was how few understood that the whole raison d’être of the German National Socialists was to act as a bulwark and protect the European people from the bloodthirsty communist hordes.
        
        You have said that Bolshevism was Jewish dominated. I hope you don’t mind me repeating this from one of my posts on Nov. 10:
        
        Bolshevik leaders who weren’t Jewish included Lenin, Stalin, Budonny, Dzerzhinsky, Krylenko, Lounatcharski, Voroshilov, Molotov, Bogdanov …
        
        According to Wikipedia, in 1907, 78.3% of the Bolsheviks were Russian and 10% were Jewish (in the rival socialist party, the Mensheviks, 34% were Russian and and 20% were Jewish.)
        
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        February 27, 2018 1:10pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        You have said that Bolshevism was Jewish dominated. I hope you don’t mind me repeating this from one of my posts on Nov. 10
        
        I hope you don’t mind me repeating one of the greatest authors of all time – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
        
        You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.
        
        Now look who the ethnic hatred in the gun debate is against and go and figure out whose hands the MSM is in…….
        
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        February 27, 2018 8:48pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        And my posting on here about Gun Control, Marxism, Feminism, Gender Bending, historical events, the Monetary System, Political Correctness, Mass Immigration etc. is not driven by “hate” of the other but rather “love” of my own.
        
        If present demographic trends continue – the European people’s will be reduced to a rump hated minority surrounded by a sea of 3rd world savages just like South Africa This is the real final solution sorry “Multiculturalism” to give it its happy clappy marketing spin.
        
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        February 27, 2018 8:54pm
Tom Barker

Trump says he would have personally confronted the Florida high school shooter, even if unarmed.
Way to go, Donnie! Jab him with your bone spurs.
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February 27, 2018 10:11am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  I wonder if the Secret Service turned up to work today, handed him a gun, and just walked out again, with a cheery “You got this, Boss?”
  
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  February 27, 2018 12:53pm
cha

I doubt issuing an extortion threat to a company employing more than 30,000 people in your state is a clever thing to do.

I will kill any tax legislation that benefits @Delta unless the company changes its position and fully reinstates its relationship with @NRA. Corporations cannot attack conservatives and expect us not to fight back.— Casey Cagle (@CaseyCagle) February 26, 2018

https://www.thedailybeast.com/georgias-lt-governor-threatens-delta-for-cutting-nra-ties
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February 27, 2018 10:14am
cmm

She has spent $30k putting up an iron fence to keep the bad waves out! That was in reaction to a cell tower 50 metres away.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/101641886/third-cell-phone-tower-approved-next-to-waiheke-island-home

I hate to burst your bubble dear, but unless there are some things that obvious from the picture, that wall of yours doesn’t look like a very effective screen against cellphone-frequency radiation.

NZ cell phone frequencies operate down to approx 700MHz in NZ. That’s a wavelength of 0.43 metres. Effective screening needs to be at least 10 times the wavelength. ie. at least 4.3 metres and the individual panels are far smaller than that. The whole wall is also much shorter than that too.

Unless you’ve actually tested to prove otherwise, I’d hazard a guess that wall is only helping in your mind. Probably fitting, since the problem is most likely only there too.
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February 27, 2018 10:15am
- Sideoiler
  
  Marta Fisch.
  https://martafisch.com/
  
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  February 27, 2018 11:41am
  - cmm
    
    “Every blade of grass has its angel”
    
    Nuff sed!
    
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    February 27, 2018 11:56am
dime

“Jacinda Ardern calls on Wellington landlords raising students’ rents to do what’s ‘morally right'”

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The market reacting to demand and not “feelz”? Im shocked!
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February 27, 2018 10:22am
- cmm
  
  “Morally right.”
  
  Ok, if that’s the standard we’re using then:
  
  You are immorally having your money taken away from you (through extra taxes and debt being foisted on you) and given to these Bright Young Things to bribe them into voting for Labour.
  
  You are morally obliged to try get some of that back.
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:30am
  - dime
    
    Exactly. Prime minister feelz forgets the landlords are subsidising their rent too!
    
    No way rent covers the mortgage costs on a rental. Then you add rates etc
    
    How about a fucking thank you!
    
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    February 27, 2018 11:12am
    - cmm
      
      No you have that backwards:
      
      Jacinda will take the thank you and you get the fuck you!
      
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      February 27, 2018 11:35am
- fylde
  
  Let the market decide – unless u r a comrade
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:38am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Surely taking an education system that is designed to help those who are failing in mainstream schools and chucking it out has a little moral ambiguity as well…
  
  Just saying….
  
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  February 27, 2018 12:55pm
KiWombat

Stuck on the motorway thismorning – and I wondered why they call it rush hour when everybody seems to be standing still ?
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February 27, 2018 10:24am
- cmm
  
  “rush hour” is 1984 double-speak.
  
  If they try to “improve it”, it will soon be “rush two hours”.
  
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  February 27, 2018 4:10pm
Right of way is Way of Right

Mark Mitchell has dropped out of the race! Hope his votes go to Judith!!
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February 27, 2018 10:31am
- Lance
  
  Wonder if Mark Mitchell will be more front and centre in the future?
  I hope so, he looks promising
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:33am
- KiWombat
  
  Mark has denied that he is dropping out !
  
  He doesn’t know where that rumour came from !
  
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  February 27, 2018 11:28am
fylde

Suspect Mark M did not have many votes to gift to Judith
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February 27, 2018 10:38am
rangitoto

Awww. the media are upset that the Nats put a blue screen over the windows.
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February 27, 2018 10:51am
- cha
  
  So it’s fumata bianca.
  
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  February 27, 2018 10:57am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Can’t Mom Jacinda sew up some curtains for the room? It would make it look much prettier.
  
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  February 27, 2018 11:12am
Jack5

Joke: Ardern revives anti-nuclear and disarmament role!

She’s made Peters Minister for Disarmament and Arms Control. Dinkum!

Step 1 for Peters:

1. In Maori ceremonial only paper mache spears and mere will be allowed, but Maori war ceremonials will be exempt.

2. The Army will supply units to participate in anti-nuclear demonstrations.

3. There will be modifications to the Army’s new AR-style rifles from LMT. They will be permanently sealed on semi-automatic fire.

4. Military marches will be banned from State radio.

5. The present pacifism indoctrination in State schools will be intensified.

6. Kumbaya in two years will be the national anthem, after there is final agreement on translating lyrics into Maori.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12002708
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February 27, 2018 10:51am
- Longknives
  
  Christ this woman is out of her Depth.
  I’m kinda terrified by what will happen when we have a Terrorist attack in New Zealand. (Sorry to be gloomy but it is sadly inevitable)
  Those are the times you need strong leadership and someone not afraid to make the bloody tough calls.
  How do you think our People’s Princess will go?
  
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  February 27, 2018 11:01am
  - KiWombat
    
    She would convene a conversation about it of course !
    
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    February 27, 2018 11:30am
    - sooty
      
      As long as she was at the front to go and meet them.
      
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      February 27, 2018 11:47am
  - MCos
    
    Send in Donald Trump.
    
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    February 27, 2018 12:10pm
- Jack5
  
  The delay in introducing the new national anthem will hang on the difficult question of where to put the macrons in the title.
  
  Kumbāyā or Kūmbāyā?
  
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  February 27, 2018 11:06am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Because we now live in a climate of open and transparent government, there will be an overpaid committee of lackies appointed to have a conversation about it.
    It will take several years and the cost will be secret.
    
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    February 27, 2018 11:10am
    - KevinH
      
      It will be multiple committees to appease the broad church that Labour has become. They will all meet independently then report to the central committee with recommendations to include all possible variations so that no one feels left out.
      It will of course cost a small fortune and no one will like it so it will be discarded.
      
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      February 27, 2018 12:25pm
- rangitoto
  
  She will have stern words with Kim Jong Un next time he calls.
  
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  February 27, 2018 11:07am
  - cmm
    
    No doubt she will make some astute observation like he isn’t as short as she thought. Or the people don’t seem to have obesity problems.
    
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    February 27, 2018 11:10am
  - RF
    
    She will point her boney finger and scald him.
    
    FFS… delusional
    
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    February 27, 2018 4:44pm
- cmm
  
  They can’t cope with the current ministries, but they’re adding another one!
  
  Or is that half the point: this is huge squirrel about nuclear threats to smoke-screen that the other ministries are doing SFA.
  
  Make enough noise about nukes and nobody is going to look at the most important things to NZ bread-and-butter voters:
  * Crime
  * Education
  * Housing
  * Employment
  
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  February 27, 2018 11:08am
  - KiWombat
    
    Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. So the self anointed turdmaster is now WeeWinnie.
    
    What this country needs are more unemployed politicians. We’ve got surplus bums on the front benches now, don’t need more of them !
    
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    February 27, 2018 11:34am
- KevinH
  
  Sounds Green, perhaps a sop to the coalition but nothing more than virtue signalling.
  Giving the job to Winston sidelines the Greens.
  
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  February 27, 2018 12:31pm
- itstricky
  
  Been to the Beauty Parlour again, Jack?
  
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  February 27, 2018 12:38pm
  - Jack5
    
    What have macrons got to do with a beauty parlour, itstricky?
    
    Have you become lost and trapped in the maze of indentations for posts, replies and replies to replies, OR …
    
    Did you want an edit to: Bēāūtȳ Pārlōūr?
    
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    February 27, 2018 2:33pm
    - itstricky
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/02/herald_paywall_coming-2.html#comment-2145434
      
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      February 28, 2018 9:14am
Manolo

The veteran socialist is lost for words:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/26/bernie-sanders-struggles-to-address-russian-support-after-mueller-indictment.html

Sen. Bernie Sanders has seemingly struggled to address recent allegations that Russia’s campaign to interfere in the 2016 presidential election included a plan to boost his Democratic primary campaign.
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February 27, 2018 11:27am
Ross12

I know this is what polis in a new Governments do but Hipkins is just showing us how much of a fool he is and how lazy he was in opposition. Why did he not raise this issue several years ago?

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/shocking-failure-planning-teacher-enrolments-drop-40-per-cent-over-six-years

If the figures are correct then I agree it is a major issue but has Hipkin’s got a plan?
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February 27, 2018 11:35am
- cmm
  
  Well if schools were not such a toxic environment for men they might have a few more students…
  
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  February 27, 2018 11:37am
- mandk
  
  If Hipkins weren’t such a dimwit, he would realise that the reason why enrolments have dropped 40% is that teaching is not a profession.
  
  The unions have reduced it to a poorly paid trade, so recruitment will inevitably be difficult in a buoyant labour market.
  
  Why would anyone want to teach on <$80k when they could be a lawyer of accountant for getting on twice as much?
  
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  February 27, 2018 12:02pm
  - Gabby
    
    Of course your assertions are the direct opposite of reality manky.
    
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    February 27, 2018 8:55pm
    - mandk
      
      Yes, on planet Gabby teachers earn twice as much as lawyers and accountants.
      
      Nitwit.
      
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      February 27, 2018 9:09pm
  - cha
    
    when they could be a lawyer of accountant for getting on twice as much?
    
    Always supposing law and accounting jobs continue to exist in numbers when AI infrastructure capable of analysing, reviewing and collating documentation hits it’s straps.
    
    https://www.ibm.com/blogs/internet-of-things/iot-spotlight-on-lawtech/
    
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    February 27, 2018 10:46pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Teaching is a profession that is probably high on the list to which ‘AI’ can be expected to cut into with individualised teaching of a lot of different subjects.
  
  A few thousand educators producing comprehensive and adaptable lesson plans for AI systems to administer to 100’s of millions of children worldwide could greatly improve the standards of teaching for maths and science.
  
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  February 27, 2018 1:33pm
DigNap15

No thinking man would be a teacher in todays female dominated climate.

This needs to change.

We need more good male role models
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February 27, 2018 12:09pm
- MCos
  
  “No thinking man would be a teacher”
  
  Going to give it a crack, are you?
  
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  February 27, 2018 12:19pm
  - itstricky
    
    Well he (presumably, he) did say “This needs to change” – so I guess he must be.
    
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    February 27, 2018 12:33pm
Gravelroad

Yes, the hard done by teacher unions are having a moan-up on TV and socialiststuff today.
None of the commenters (three so far) on the stuff story have been able to produce sentences with correct spelling, punctuation or grammar.
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February 27, 2018 12:27pm
- itstricky
  
  None of the commenters (three so far)
  
  Are you suggesting it is the unionists, or the teachers, submitting Stuff comments? A link would be nice, so we can see what you’re on about.
  
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  February 27, 2018 12:34pm
rangitoto

So it’s confirmed that Tabletop replaces Mark.
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February 27, 2018 12:42pm
Liberty

Little lord fauntleroy has just been purged from being the deputy of NZF.
That’s gratitude for being a loyal lick-spittle to Winston.
The question is ? Will he go rogue.
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February 27, 2018 12:45pm
Grant

NOooooooooooooooooooooo
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February 27, 2018 12:47pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Racist.
  
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  February 27, 2018 1:21pm
rangitoto

Bridges.
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February 27, 2018 12:49pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I think I ought to downtick that.
  Ghastly.
  
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  February 27, 2018 12:55pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Racist.
    
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    February 27, 2018 1:20pm
Grant

Simon Bridges…what were they thinking?
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February 27, 2018 12:49pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Racist.
  
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  February 27, 2018 1:20pm
brett68

Simon Fucking Bridges?

Labour will be pissing themselves with laughter, how dumb and disconnected are these people?

Time for a new party, Nationals a complete write off.
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February 27, 2018 12:52pm
- greybeard
  
  I predict that both Joyce and Collins will now chuck it in well before the next election
  
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  February 27, 2018 12:55pm
- RF
  
  The commie chicks kids will be going to high school when National finally gets back in.
  
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  February 27, 2018 12:56pm
  - MCos
    
    Oh dear, such despondency!
    
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    February 27, 2018 1:13pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Racist.
  
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  February 27, 2018 1:19pm
RF

Bugger ……Bridges And Paula Bennett as deputy.

Was Ron Mark heard to say… Et tu Winston
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February 27, 2018 12:53pm
- Grant
  
  I cant imagine RM knowing Shakespeare or speaking Latin, but I’m sure what he said could be translated as:
  Petri, et bastardis es
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  February 27, 2018 1:01pm
mandk

At least it wasn’t progressive Adams.
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February 27, 2018 12:57pm
Right of way is Way of Right

Bridges? It’s the National version of David Shearer, and it’ll be just as successful!

Mind you, National now have a leader who has Ngati Maniapoto ancestry, and a deputy who is of Tainui descent. Might be an attraction to the Tangata Whenua!
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February 27, 2018 12:58pm
- Liberty
  
  “ It’s the National version of David Shearer”
  No comparison whatsoever.
  You obviously have not watched Bridges in the house.
  He will hold to account the Princess and the Elderly pensioner.
  
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  February 27, 2018 1:29pm
- sam green
  
  Tainui don’t want her though.
  
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  February 27, 2018 6:09pm
flipper

Good choice, and Bennett for Deputy to target the nettle-eater.
The Caucus listened to the Membership and wisely decided NOT to sup from the poisoned chalice. So how many bloggers will be falling on their swords ???
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February 27, 2018 1:00pm
MCos

Someone said yesterday that KBers should get in behind the new National Park leader.

That impassioned plea for unity failed at the first hurdle . . . .
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February 27, 2018 1:11pm
- Longknives
  
  Meanwhile the ridiculous ‘People’s Princess’ is making a freaking hash of everything and NZ First just imploded.
  So it’s not like everything is just peachy on the Left is it now MCos?
  
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  February 27, 2018 1:16pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    Definitely ‘unpeachy’ I would say.
    I’d like to be a fly “spy” on the wall watching Labour unravel.
    
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    February 27, 2018 1:40pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Racist.
  
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  February 27, 2018 1:19pm
4077th

And from the complete BULLSHIT files the NZ Herald “front page news..scrolling breaking news title”…”Drone Hovers over Sunbathing Mother and Daughter”. If you can be bothered watching the video, the drone is at least 30 to 50m up. Having owned a few drones like the one in the article I can tell you that 1. The battery does not last 30 mins and in fact is more like 15 when you build in the “return home” factor and will do automatically. 2. One function these drones do not have is zoom capability. the much more expensive commercial versions do using a DSLR. So, the “victims” lied about the time the drone was there and the fact that you cannot zoom and the altitude means the drone could see very little in the way of detail.

The above said, it is illegal to fly over someones property without permission so the drone operator deserves to loose his toy for that alone. The rest of the story is plain bullshit and will further restrict people like myself who obey the rules.
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February 27, 2018 2:15pm
- Longknives
  
  A quick look at the Daughter’s Instagram and Social Media doesn’t show a shy, private type at all!
  This is another ‘Glitter Girl’ type character who is desperately craving attention/publicity. (A wannabe Kardashian)
  Oh and she certainly doesn’t seem to mind the World seeing her half naked on the Internet..
  
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  February 27, 2018 2:24pm
  - sooty
    
    Shouldn’t sunbath in the nude then!
    
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    February 27, 2018 2:32pm
- Gabby
  
  Back in the 8063rd we took a dim view of perverts who spied on young women. Those degenerate little shits in the 4077th were all over it though.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:16pm
sooty

Ron Mark gets rolled by Fletcher Tablet.
Who’s he?
When did he enter parliament?
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February 27, 2018 2:30pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The next former deputy leader of Winston First.
  
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  February 27, 2018 3:50pm
Manolo

When the rubber meets the road. Can tax-cuts translate into votes?
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/article202051104.html

Since the tax law’s passage in December, Republicans have watched it become more popular, the economic news grow more positive, and their own political standing improve.

Now comes a much bigger challenge: Can the party’s tax cuts actually move votes?
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February 27, 2018 2:37pm
Longknives

I’m shocked that anything like this could happen in beautiful Cannon’s Creek-

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12002783
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February 27, 2018 4:19pm
- nasska
  
  I never thought we’d see such behaviour in such a wonderfully vibrant & diversified “Pasifica” shithole. //
  
  I’m only surprised that they didn’t knife her as well.
  
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  February 27, 2018 5:15pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Where were the elders with machetes to defend her when they were so desperately needed? 🙂
    
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    February 27, 2018 6:35pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

Come on Ron go rogue. Spill the beans on what is really happening with New Zealand First and the CoL. That deputy job was yours and they shafted you. Screw them. They have no sense of loyalty. You wouldn’t them in a foxhole with you. So Ron. You owe them nothing. Tell us what it’s really like. Is Winston’s ticker and lungs up to the job? How screwed up is Labour?. Geez mate people liked you. They wanted you to become the next leader of New Zealand First and they did you over. Bastards the lot of them. Nothing but limp wristed liberals. They don’t know the stress of what its like to feed 1,000 hungry soldiers. Labour isn’t your friend. They call you a toy solider behind your back. They even make fun of you wearing your medals. Just because the only medal they wear is their World Socialist League badge. Screw them. Screw Winston. Tell us the story of what’s going on.
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February 27, 2018 4:31pm
- sooty
  
  Jump, before the waka lands.
  
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  February 27, 2018 6:18pm
Ross12

So there was a protest outside Parliament today about single use plastic bags and the need to ban them.
I wonder how the Green/Labour dominated Wellington City Council will handle the issue of Council supplied, plastic rubbish bags !!
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February 27, 2018 6:12pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Duncan Garner interviewed Hulun by phone this morning on her crusade to get rid of plastic bags. All was going well until he asked Hulun “Why did your govt of 9 years do something about the bags”. Hulun obfuscated and then suddenly got busy talking to someone in the background of the room with her and refused to talk to Duncan any longer. ?
  
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  February 27, 2018 7:39pm
Johnboy

God these filthy socialist fucks hate anything that that smacks of independent thought in education.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101804848/government-scraps-private-school-scholarship-scheme-for-underprivileged-kids
Shit like this will never be forgotten or forgiven.
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February 27, 2018 6:12pm
- nasska
  
  Do you remember ‘Grumpyoldhori’ who used to comment here JB. I asked him once what he considered to be the answer to Maori youth being brought up by shit useless parents.
  
  Turned out it was boarding schools where the kids could be separated from negative influences & given an education while keeping family ties during holidays.
  
  I reckon he knew plenty that Labour don’t.
  
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  February 27, 2018 6:21pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Um, they closed down Tipene/St Stephens because of the bullying among the boarders that went on there. And according to Norm Hewitt, the same thing at Te Aute helped to turn him into a thug.
    
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    February 27, 2018 6:24pm
    - nasska
      
      I endured three & a bit years at a boarding school Kimbo but we came to the parting of the ways when I was expelled two months into my sixth form year.
      
      It can be a bit tough on younger less physical kids but anyone being raised in a gang household would probably consider it a cradle of gentle luxury.
      
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      February 27, 2018 6:33pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I have to admit that Trev Snowden had me grateful that I wasn’t a boarder nasska! 🙂
    
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    February 27, 2018 6:25pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Good article today by Greg Clydesdale re parenting
    on nzcpr.com
    
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    February 27, 2018 7:33pm
- Gabby
  
  Crikey johnsboy, if it’s such a shithot idea the private sector will be all over it.
  
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  February 27, 2018 8:13pm
Johnboy

I was a Wharfies son that went to Scots College so I should have a fair idea why the scum, that run the education system in NZ, need eradication for the betterment of the country. 🙂
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February 27, 2018 6:16pm
- Ross12
  
  Victor Vito went to Scots on one those scholarships JB. and I know he is very thankful for the opportunity.
  I thought they had all been scrapped last time Labour got in.
  
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  February 27, 2018 6:41pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I never went on a scholarship old chap the folks paid. I think it was 150 quid a term in 1960. Don’t you forget Wharfies earned about three times the average wage then! 🙂
    
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    February 27, 2018 7:05pm
    - Ross12
      
      Sorry JB, I did not mean to imply you went on scholarship –I was just referring to the link you had above and the issue raised.
      
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      February 27, 2018 7:44pm
      - nasska
        
        What do you mean?
        
        It wasn’t a scholarship…..it was a magistrates decision. And JB is using Scots College as a euphemism for the Epuni Boys Home.
        
        Don’t let him con you! 🙂
        
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        February 27, 2018 7:55pm
      - Swifty
        
        Heh
        
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