General Debate 24 February 2018

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CJames

Remember the emotive fact-lite campaigns by Labour and the Greens about how dirty dairying was ruining the country’s rivers, making them unswimmable? Now we have had continuing closing of city beaches because of sewage spills, where are the politicians? Is this just yet another of the broken promises? Or is it just because they control most of the councils who have done nothing for decades, despite knowing of the increasing problems and who prefer to spend money on diversity projects rather than fixing infrastructure? At least they can’t blame Winston for this one.
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February 24, 2018 8:00am
- KiWombat
  
  GangGreen have turned out to be just another truckload of watermelons – only green on the outside, mostly red to the core
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:01am
  - kevn
    
    @KiWombat…
    GANG-GREEN… new perfect word. Well done.
    
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    February 24, 2018 8:14am
    - KiWombat
      
      We must have a little humour injected into these comments to counter the vile and morbid comments of several regular posters !
      
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      February 24, 2018 8:25am
      - ztev
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        Dont like the heat ? GET out of the kitchen
        
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        February 24, 2018 8:40am
      - redqueen
        
        @zvet
        
        Guilty conscience? Nobody mentioned you or your imaginery kitchen…
        
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        February 24, 2018 8:45am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ ztev
        
        Yep, credit where it is due, ztev, no matter what the heat you endure, you do indeed stick around. Even when resident milquetoast ex-National cabinet minister and Nicky Hager leak source, Wayne Mapp of all people tore you a new one yesterday over your deceitful misreporting of Manukau District Court funding cuts under the last government. How does it feel to be gummed to death by a toothless St Bernard? ?
        
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        February 24, 2018 8:48am
      - KiWombat
        
        Aaah – I see the resident solipsist has arrived !
        
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        February 24, 2018 8:51am
      - Jack5
        
        KiWombat is a member of Stephiestani Trolls Ltd. The punctuation and the stilted idiom are a giveaway.
        
        But if we go down to the 8.05 post under this pseudonym we see different hands on the keyboard. Same KiWombat pseudonym, but different style, idiom, and punctuation.
        
        So I guess we should conclude KiWombats are members of Stephiestani Trolls Ltd.
        
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        February 24, 2018 9:17am
      - redqueen
        
        @Jack5
        
        Whatever you’re smoking…how much? :p
        
        Regards
        General Manager
        The Imaginery Trolling Company Limited.
        
        ‘If you believe it, it must be true.’
        
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        February 24, 2018 9:31am
      - KiWombat
        
        Morning Jack, alas you could not be more wrong if you tried. Only difference in my psyche between these two posts may have been caused by ingestion of my daily dose of caffeine, and perhaps a milligram or two of nicotine !
        
        I wrote both posts to which you refer, although I do admit to re-jigging the “Little Johnny” joke.
        
        There is no conspiracy this end, and certainly no links to the commentator you refer to. Wait until he appears – I have a special gem saved up for him today !
        
        Also – we are at opposite ends of the country !
        
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        February 24, 2018 9:33am
      - Jack5
        
        KiWombat X, you can squirm and lie to the non-Muslims, but your idiom and your punctuation give you away.
        
        Redqueen – are you a Stephiestani, too, or are you just illiterate when it comes to reading punctuation and idiom?
        
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        February 24, 2018 9:37am
      - redqueen
        
        @Jack5
        
        I’ll go with…illiterate.
        
        And I’ll raise you an cantakerous accuser…you need more to support such an accusation than just a few speculations… 😉 And you’re being haughty, which is a mortal sin… 😉
        
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        February 24, 2018 9:40am
      - Kimbo
        
        I’m Stephastani!
        
        No, I’m Stephastani!
        
        No, I’m Stephastani!
        
        No, I’m Stephastani!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8h_v_our_Q
        
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        February 24, 2018 9:59am
      - redqueen
        
        @Kimbo
        
        I don’t think he’s caught on to the real conspiracy…we all know we are multiple people sharing multiple accounts…that explains the idiomatic divergence!
        
        It’s hard to keep track who I am posting under, these days… 😉
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:04am
      - niggly
        
        Jack5 – what on earth???!!!
        
        KiWombat writes fully structured paragraphs (and can be quite funny taking the p*ss out of something), he obviously has a great sense of humor!
        
        Whereas Stephie generally lacks humor (unless one counts countless “LOL’s” as humor – not!) and generally fires off compact one or two broken sentence missives or insults.
        
        (As as aside, when Stephie occasionally writes about historic facts he usually is correct and is worth the time reading).
        
        Jack5 – you have an important mission to fulfill on KB, which is hunting down the Kea split personalities, your writings are always worth a chuckle when you confront them, please continue this important mission to eliminate the so-called bird of the year from here (Kea must have voted multiple times using multiple aliases to swing the results) and not be sidetracked! 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:06am
      - redqueen
        
        @niggly
        
        ‘Your mission, should you choose to accept it…’ Dunnanunn…
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:08am
      - KiWombat
        
        Thanx niggly.
        
        Must admit being mildly offended by his reference to my religion though – that’s a bit below the belt! The rest of the accusations are like water off a ducks back though
        
        Unfortunately he’s got a mechanical mind – too bad he forgot to wind it up this morning !
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:15am
      - Jack5
        
        A person’s writing style and punctuation is like a fingerprint.
        
        The 8.25 and 8.05 posts by KiWombat are by different people.
        
        Yes, Kea, since being banned has reappeared on Kiwiblog from time to time under new pseudonyms. However, Kea is a highly intelligent satirist, though a little lacking in common sense, focus, and perseverance (I’m thinking of Kea’s everyday life).
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:19am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Jack5
        
        …and you haven’t considered your sample size and actual number of grammatical “indicators” are too small to draw that conclusion, nor that “confirmation bias” may be playing a part?
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:23am
      - Jack5
        
        Good morning, Kimbo. I hope you’re feeling in form today.
        
        No, this analysis is not a matter of statistics, so you can forget sample size. Confirmation bias, again, not a factor.
        
        Consider these two examples:
        
        1. KiWombat at 8.25:
        
        “We must have a little humour injected into these comments to counter the vile and morbid comments of several regular posters !”
        
        This idiom is very much of the pattern of the main “Stephieboy” poster, as is the space between the last letter of the sentence and the exclamation mark. In fact that punctuation is almost a trademark.
        
        2. KiWombat at 10.15:
        
        Thanx niggly.
        Must admit being mildly offended by his reference to my religion though – that’s a bit below the belt! The rest of the accusations are like water off a ducks back though
        
        Unfortunately he’s got a mechanical mind – too bad he forgot to wind it up this morning
        
        Different style, and I believe the now absence of punctuation is a response to my earlier post pointing out the difference between weird punctuation in the 8.25 post and good punctuation in the earlier, 8.05 post of KiWombat. An amateur attempt at covering tracks.
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:39am
      - niggly
        
        @KiWombat – no worries!
        
        And there’s the difference again! You are only mildly offended (and fair enough, who wouldn’t be when being accused of something) but calm enough to write a healthy reply, whereas SB would be sufficiently offended and hurl insults back as a badly punctuated broken sentence!
        
        Kimbo mentioned “confirmation bias”, I just realised you sometimes have a space before an exclamation mark (sometimes I do the same). I vaguely recall SB got told off here for doing that all the time recently (perhaps if resident archivist Nostradamus is lurking, he can reference it for us)! So maybe Jack5 has subconsciously and unwittingly linked that grammar “violation” with SB (grammar can be a big deal here at times, eh Kimbo et al)! 😉
        
        Jack5 is a top guy though, perhaps he’s just tired from one-to-many CK (counter-Kea) operations, and needs some R&R to clear the mind?? 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:52am
      - Jack5
        
        Niggly, thank you for the kind words, but I am positive that there is more than one person posting under the “Stephieboy” pseudonym.
        
        And I see evidence similarly that more than one person is posting under the “KiWombat” pseudonym, and that one of those who posts under “KiWombat” also posts under “Stephieboy”.
        
        I don’t think it’s a matter of occasional typos, which as you point out, we all make. It is consistent errors and writing style.
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:57am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ niggly
        
        Now, now, it is not that emphatic adverbs are grammatically incorrect, but all too often they are shills, rhetorical glitter sprinkled on the unpolishable turd of bad ideas.
        
        But thank you nonetheless for doing your bit to make Kimbo’s law* a meme, not to mention add to the chaos on this odd thread! ?
        
        * in blog world the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the use of emphatic adverbs.
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:06am
      - sooty
        
        Kimbo. No ztev is not a st bernard. He only a little wee chihuahua. One of them yappy bloody things! All yap and no bite. Like the wannabe cowboy all hat and no steers.
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:11am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Jack5
        
        Good morning, Kimbo. I hope you’re feeling in form today.
        
        Cheers, and yes. Thanks.
        
        No, this analysis is not a matter of statistics, so you can forget sample size. Confirmation bias, again, not a factor….
        
        Despite being impressed by the emphatic way you stated that, alas, my high-falutin tertiary education leads me to suspect that, despite your unequivocal denial, sample size is indeed an issue, as you only have one isolated example of KiWombat leaving a space before an exclamation mark. I think reserachers call that, at best,…an anecdote.
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:11am
      - redqueen
        
        @Kimbo
        
        It would certainly be within the margin of error and could be attributed to other factors. For instance, when on my computer, I am far more careful with spelling and punctuation. When using my phone, I am bloody hopeless (particularly when being chased around the house by the three wee monsters). Variations may occur without it being transparent to other commentators 😉
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:28am
      - KiWombat
        
        Kaore e hiahiatia ana e enei kaituhi he kaupapa hauora tinana.
        
        He nui nga mahi a nga tangata katoa ki te whakatau i nga mahi, me te akiaki i etahi i muri, i te kawenga i te kawenga me te turaki i to raatau !
        
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        February 24, 2018 12:15pm
      - Gabby
        
        Go on then keywomble, inject away.
        
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        February 24, 2018 12:19pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Hi again Jack
        
        “It is consistent errors and writing style”
        
        We who were educated after the war tend to pride ourselves on “correctness,” as spellcheck wasn’t to be invented for many decades !
        
        Accordingly I would be pleased if you would point out any errors I have made, as I genuinely try not to make errors, grammatical, spelling or otherwise.
        
        As to writing style, that probably does change over the course of the day, as I ingest copious quantities of coffee early in the day then watch the tide recede in the Gin bottle later on. If that offends you then I do apologise, but ask you to point out any of the “errors” you refer to above so that I might correct them next time.
        
        Best wishes – etc
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:32pm
      - KiWombat
        
        BTW
        
        The Gin bottle has developed a hole in it, I suspect Mrs W dispensed more than her fair share for breakfast, so things may improve as the day goes on.
        
        Unless, of course, she feels able to stumble to the bottle shop to replenish supplies thisafternoon !
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:39pm
- igm
  
  Councils cannot maintain infrastructure and build cycleways at the same time. Then of course, there are social responsibilities such as cheap housing, arts, things Murri, etc., etc. Time for principal ratepayers only, voting in local body elections, then we can cull the fiscally illiterate and socialist agenda-ridden councillors, also remove agenda-ridden bureaucrats holding senior overpaid council positions.
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:08am
  - backster
    
    Igm…..And in my part of the world top priority is going to repainting all the street signs with Te reo translations, an agonising why ratepayers still refer to a park by its,former appellation Frank Kitts Park instead of some meaningless mumbo jumbo.
    
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    February 24, 2018 1:38pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Or igm a citizens tax paid by all residents instead of the spend thrift councils only extorting funding from rate payers. The lack of commitment required to become a home owner is absent to an equal or greater extent of councils to put their basic responsibilities first. Basically because for all the shit that councils waste their funding on is now being confirmed by so many places with shit in the water or streets. Cut the crap.
    
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    February 24, 2018 3:34pm
- stigie
  
  They have fixed poverdy and there is no more homelessness and people sleeping in cars, the next 100 days will see beaches swimable again and the streams around Auckland.
  They cant fix Dairying cause that’s Nationals problem !~
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:16am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  You can’t fix sewage problems overnight, especially in a city under pressure from expansion and immigration. If anyone voted on that emotive issue more fool them, same for those that moan about it as though it can, or will be, an instant fix. A few more months and the election shock will recede, at that time we might well see the middle consolidating in supporting Labour but too soon to tell.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:01am
  - CJames
    
    No Nostalgia. Auckland’s main sewage on beaches problems has been from overflow during heavy rain. This was because the pipes weren’t big enough and stormwater into sewage lines. It has been known about for decades, but the fix keeps on getting cut from the budget.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:23am
    - Harkman
      
      That’s because it’s a practical use of money, Socialists don’t like using money practically.
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:01am
    - Nostalgia-NZ
      
      CJames water leakage into sewage lines, is a sewage problem. I think we all know that it is due from stormwater overflow.
      
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      February 24, 2018 12:12pm
      - CJames
        
        No it isn’t Nostalgia. You can’t even be bothered reading up to get the problem correct.
        The stormwater gets into the Sewage lines, they overload and overflow out of sewage into other stormwater systems at lower levels, like those close to beaches.
        Two solutions needed. They need to increase the size of their main sewage trunklines / uprate their pumping systems and they need to stop stormwater getting in – most of which is from inner city developments which cut drainage costs.
        
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        February 24, 2018 3:16pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Wrong again Nostalgia. It is most commonly a homeowner fault where storm water lines are connected into the sewer lines to save money. Often because to get it into the storm water involves A) a lot more digging and B) it must have the minimum of fall at least to flow. Most local bodies visit houses and conduct a simple smoke test. When the inspector finds this a notice will be issued to fix it or face the consequences of some considerable extra cost.
        
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        February 24, 2018 7:43pm
      - Piniwi
        
        You are on to it CJames and we now have whole new escape of responsibility by councils by setting requirements for onsite storm water collection as a means to increase capacity. Yet another massive extra cost on those building a house simply to cover up for council failures to fix it properly.
        
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        February 24, 2018 7:49pm
    - backster
      
      Part of the reasons why we have stormwater problems is because before the drains are cleared if they run into a stream the Council has to get eco and Iwi reports which can cost more than it does to clear the drains.
      
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      February 24, 2018 1:43pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Sewage problems are an emotive issue???
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:36am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Yeah, you know – when you feel upset and need to ‘go’?
      
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      February 24, 2018 9:52am
      - sooty
        
        Go hide in the shitter.
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:16am
    - Nostalgia-NZ
      
      If they have been going on for 30 years of different governments I think they are an emotive problem, the next government is always going to fix them and blame the problem previous or current government.
      
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      February 24, 2018 12:13pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Well Nostalgia-NZ you obviously have no understanding about infrastructure or whose responsibility it is to provide it. It is part of the basic core responsibility for every local body to provide both fresh water supply and the services for waste water and sewage. Thus in this way each settlement is basically separate from services also known as infrastructure that are provided by the Government. Hence it has no relevance who the Government is as core local services are provided by the elected Local Body.
        It is no big surprise that ratepayers in most places can enumerate the numerous vanities, pet or frivolous projects where funds have been wasted. In many case funding allocated in the respective local bodies for infrastructure have subsequently been “diverted” to such projects.
        Yes it has been happening for at least 30 years or in some places more and in many there have been too many changes to how the whole process is handled.
        Originally it was all included in the councils operations but it has become increasingly common for a separate entity to be created. Unfortunately where we might have expected the infrastructure to improve with the new entity it has done no more than add to the overheads at the expense of what NEEDS to be done.
        It is a twofold failure in so many areas with the failure to plan for expansion or growth as well as serious failures of maintaining what is already there.
        One familiar example is raw sewage in a relatively new suburb street in Nelson that was the result of sewage pumps 15 years past their replacement date. A funny sad thing since the pumping station is at the far end of the old original street. Another is the sad state of things in Greymouth where they have constructed a substantial flood bank to keep the river out. Unfortunately they failed to take care of business behind the wall and the town flooded even in a moderate storm long before Gita arrived.
        It has become increasing common for many to blame the Government of the day for infrastructure problems without understanding the distinct line between national and local government responsibility.
        Playing the blame game is absolutely pointless as that is what got things to be so bad as well as continuous deferred responsibility.
        Look at the lost Penny in Auckland who withheld her rates and now has to sell the house to pay up.
        
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        February 24, 2018 7:18pm
    - Nostalgia-NZ
      
      I see no one is arguing that the middle ground vote has not possibly shifted to Labour. With the Greens and NZF flirting with oblivion, and if it were correct that NZF had taken National votes, then we should have seen National improve and not Labour. While it has been only a single poll, it may well be that the Nats have begun to cycle downward. Evidence of that could not only have been that vote lost to NZF should have returned, but also that we are seeing the similarity to when Labour needed to find a leader to match JK, now it appears National are looking to find a leader to match JA. Not trying to wind anyone up, but both are valid points.
      
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      February 24, 2018 12:32pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Just this week in East & Bays Courier there is a large section on how Maori culture can be woven in Auckland City’s fabric and the main way is through installing sculptures, features on highway panels and stylised bridges.
  
  So there is money for that but not to keep shit off the beaches
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    There was never the money for all that shit either, we just do debt
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:26am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    But, but all Maori value the foreshore and seabed so much they are using their unelected positions on council to influence decision making to get environmental protection prioritised.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:39am
    - CJames
      
      “Yeah- Right” as Tui would put it.
      
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      February 24, 2018 9:49am
  - ztev
    
    You are ignorant of how it works.
    
    Watercare does the water supply and sewage- not ‘council.’
    
    It has its own board and revenue stream. They can do better but their only job is sewage and water not putting maori motifs on parks
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:28am
    - igm
      
      As you know everything, why are you bludging off taxpayers?
      
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      February 24, 2018 11:09am
    - CJames
      
      No Trevor you are the ignorant one. Here is what they say on the Watercare website
      “Watercare is a council-controlled organisation, wholly owned by Auckland Council. ” Auckland Council could direct Watercare to fix the problem if they thought it was high enough priority.
      Go back to complaining about John Key.
      
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      February 24, 2018 1:02pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Thanks CJames for yet another illustration of why the problem becomes so elongated and in the too hard basket. Create a NEW organisation within the main body with all the associated costs and it’s own website. Then keep passing the buck and marking time.
        
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        February 24, 2018 7:25pm
- kowtow
  
  It’s the media . They have been to the forefront of the campaign against the farmers.
  Without the media constantly running the leftwing anti farmer campaign the so called dirty dairy crown would have got little or no traction.
  
  The media won’t run the same campaign against councils on this issue of shitty beaches and rubbish infrastructure .
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:48am
  - Piniwi
    
    True kowtow the Media party are instrumental in so many people complaining about infrastructure and screaming for the Government to fix it. They fail dismally by their lack of understanding of or taking the time to look at it in any detail. Even the Westland Country Council back in the day had the sense to include water metering when they constructed the new water main to Hokatika. That was also back when their biggest sub settlement was up on the hillside where the funny farm was.
    
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    February 24, 2018 7:33pm
Manolo

Canadian shame: the imbecile Trudeau.
https://www.businessinsider.com.au/canadian-pm-trudeau-mocked-for-political-fashion-blunders-in-india-2018-2?r=US&IR=T

Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, normally a darling of Western media, has been roundly, and sometimes savagely, mocked for a trip to India that included cultural, fashion, and political blunders at every turn.
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February 24, 2018 8:04am
- labrator
  
  I can’t wait until he visits New Zealand and gets off the plane in a flax skirt. I’m sure he and Ardern can have some great conversations about things and stuff.
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:29am
  - ztev
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Hahaha
    
    You obviously missed the picture of Bill English dressed up as a Samoan chief while visiting the country last year.
    Petard and all that
    
    http://www.samoaobserver.ws/en/03_06_2017/local/20655/NZ-Prime-Minister-is-a-chief-of-Samoa.htm
    
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    February 24, 2018 8:43am
    - igm
      
      Hey tosser, Bill is actually a matai or something similar. Not a pretender like that poofy Canadian.
      
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      February 24, 2018 8:48am
      - ztev
        
        So dressing up in fancy garb is OK when Bill does it.
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:30am
    - alloytoo
      
      Can you read?
      
      First line of the article:
      
      “New Zealand Prime Minister, Bill English, has become a Samoan chief.”
      
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      February 24, 2018 9:08am
      - Simon
        
        Dont worry about Ztev. His former boss Helen Clark was forced into wearing head scarfs. English could actually make a decision what to wear.
        
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        February 24, 2018 9:17am
    - Gravelroad
      
      Hahaha ztev – petard eh?
      You really are a piece of work.
      
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      February 24, 2018 9:19am
    - KevOB
      
      The honorific is proper: this is not dress ups. Bill English has Samoan connections through his wife. Also as then Prime Minister of New Zealand he was being honoured. That in Samoan custom strengthens Samoa’s claims to be able to call on NZ government assistance when needed. Titles are both give and take.
      
      I believe the title Leulua’iali’i-o-tumua is one of high rank. The Prime Minister of Samoa, Deputy and Cabinet were all present.
      
      According to custom Bill English now has the responsibilities attaching to that title too. These can be onerous–his residing in NZ is no relief.
      
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      February 24, 2018 9:23am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        This is true, when you take on the title you take on the responsibility of making sure that the village or tribe you are connected to are looked after and cared for. They are Bills extended family.
        
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        February 24, 2018 9:50am
      - ztev
        
        What a load of nonsense. This fake Samoan chief titles is rubbish.
        This is the 21st century not the 19th.
        
        Dress up with something from the magic shop and call yourself a chief- absurd charade
        
        I suppose he can attend the nines or sevens with his own costume.
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:34am
      - KevOB
        
        @ZTEV
        If you made your comments in Samoa you could find your visa instantly revoked and be put on the next plane out.
        
        Samoan’s have better manners than you and they are a sovereign state: constitualionally “Fa’avae ile Atua Samoa”. Literally: Samoa is founded on the God. †
        
        How can you understand if you have never lived there? Fa’asamoa is their way of life.
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:41am
      - Lance
        
        So lefty ztev pisses all over the Samoan Chiefs
        
        Nice one ztev, you reveal the inner lefties open mockery of other cultures.
        
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        February 24, 2018 12:15pm
      - GoVege
        
        Samoa is “founded on the God”, huh Kev?
        Is that why so many of the males give their wives and kids the bash and break the 7th commandment constantly? 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2018 12:18pm
      - GoVege
        
        Poor Bill.
        Not only got 6 kids to help out, but now an entire village.
        
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        February 24, 2018 12:45pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        We have a spare idiot or two here that we could donate to Bill’s village
        
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        February 24, 2018 12:53pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Of course “Taito” could not possibly have been an honourary title – could it?
        
        I wonder whether that is still in use, or whether it was stripped after his holiday in the Governor’s resort !
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:50pm
      - Piniwi
        
        The Kev’s know KevOB. It is also important to note that a Samoan can come to NZ spend 10 years on the dole and then return home with a full super payment after 65. So yes NZ is very important to the economy of Samoa disregarding all the other hand outs.
        
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        February 24, 2018 7:56pm
    - labrator
      
      What a day! A reply from ztev. And a doozy too, one that completely misses the point and references something completely irrelevant, instant classic.
      
      Indians are complaining about Canada’s poster boy misappropriating their culture for poster points. Show me where anyone complained about English’s Samoan honour being awarded and him dressing as appropriate.
      
      Hint, it’d help if you read the article.
      
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      February 24, 2018 9:56am
      - ztev
        
        Virtue signalling is bad when Trudeau does it, but good when English does it ?
        English is no more a chief than a Young Farmer finalist.
        of course it was an election stunt, just like the pizza making.
        back working for Bill are you JE along with dirty politics gang.
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:38am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ ztev
        
        English is no more a chief than a Young Farmer finalist.
        of course it was an election stunt, just like the pizza making.
        back working for Bill are you JE along with dirty politics gang
        
        And there it is! Don’t you just love the inherent racism in the far left, as typified by the meltdown that Helen Clark had when John Key went to the “Labour-voting reservation” of McGehan Close in her Mt Albert electorate? No, not possible at all that, of their own initiative and cognisance, a Samoan village in an independent (since 1962!) nation could have decided to bestow their honourific title on a National Party politician. Nope, it had to be a Palagi election put-up job.
        
        Reveals much of how the left in NZ regard and treat and patronise those brown voters for whom they cry crocodile tears.
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:44am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        @ ztev
        I’ll type slowly in mono-syllables so you can follow along.
        
        English was bestowed an honour in Samoa and dressed appropriately for the ceremony. It pleased the locals. No virtue signalling.
        
        Trudeau and whanau turned up in India dressed like maharajas. The locals thought he was taking the piss. Virtue signalling bigly.
        
        And if you read the article you linked to:
        BIll English IS a chief because the Samoans bestowed him that honour.
        You can deny it all you like but you will still be wrong, and Turdeau will still be a prat.
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:53am
      - labrator
        
        Virtue signalling is bad when Trudeau does it, but good when English does it ?
        
        It’s like you’re not even trying. Trudeau isn’t virtue signalling by misappropriating culture just as English isn’t when integrating into a cultural ceremony in his honour.
        
        I preferred the old ztev but I think he had a meltdown defending NZFirst.
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:40pm
    - Gabby
      
      Quite glad I missed that to be honest.
      
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      February 24, 2018 12:27pm
- Simon
  
  Trudeau PC clown in a clown suit.
  
  Still he choose to wear a clown suit unlike Western female political leaders forced into head scarfs by Muslim primitives.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:14am
KiWombat

A 3rd grade teacher asked her class if they knew who WeeWinnie was.

They all raised their hands.

Then she asked them if they liked WeeWinnie, and they all raised their hands except Little Johnny.

Teacher asks Little Johnny why he doesn’t like WeeWinnie.

“Because I am a Young National” replied Little Johnny, “my father is a National and my mother is a National, so I am a Young National.”

“Well if your mother was a moron and your father was an idiot, what would that make you?” Asked the teacher.

“That would make me a person who voted for WeeWinnie, of course.”
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February 24, 2018 8:05am
- Jack5
  
  A downtick, because this is shared pseudonym. See post higher in the thread.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:23am
Nukuleka

Muslim butcher Sainey Marong has been found guilty of murdering prostitute Renee Duckmanton in 2016. Unlike other Muslim males Mr Marong clearly didn’t have any issues about touching the hand of a woman who wasn’t related to him. Fortunately the jury didn’t accept his story- taken it would seem from the global Muslim male play book- that he was mentally disturbed at the time. Good on that jury.
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February 24, 2018 8:05am
- igm
  
  He and his family should be put on the next plane out of NZ.
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:11am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Imagine what sort of life his 3 children have endured.
    I trust CYFS are checking that they are OK.
    
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    February 24, 2018 8:18am
  - KiWombat
    
    Waste of good money to do that.
    
    Maybe he could be enrolled in “test-a-vest” or similar?
    
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    February 24, 2018 8:28am
    - igm
      
      Not as expensive as keeping the mongrel in prison for years, living in the laps of luxury, while giving his wives and children every extra that can be taken from taxpayers. Then they will probably turn on us also.
      
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      February 24, 2018 8:38am
      - Jack5
        
        It will be interesting to see whether our gutless, liberal refugee appeal system lets this murderer stay in the country.
        
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        February 24, 2018 9:24am
      - sooty
        
        Cut his nuts off.
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:22am
      - Paulus
        
        He and his family have New Zealand citizenship like Kim Dot Com so cannot be touched.
        He will have a very rough time in prison as he is the wrong colour of black.
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:31pm
      - matchbox
        
        Sadly, it’s even worse than that. He’ll cop a lifetime mental health order to keep him in a mental health facility (twice the cost of prison) possibly for most of his life.
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:34pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  A crime this serious deserves a full sentence of a handful of years to help keep the prison population down. Andy your ‘government’ is going to recommit every crime to the victims and their families with your filthy blood on your hands policies
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:37am
  - igm
    
    I hope the Little germ is one of the first to reap the results of his erroneous ways.
    
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    February 24, 2018 8:46am
  - VicParking
    
    A “Little” bit of Home Detention and re-education at a mosque should do to keep the prison population down.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:47am
  - GazzaW
    
    He’ll be out in ten years less time spent on remand.
    
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    February 24, 2018 12:14pm
- Simon
  
  Not enough Muslims in the country yet to form grooming gangs. The mental anguish must have been terrible.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Speaking of which.
    
    ‘Grooming gangs that preyed on 700 vulnerable girls and women in and around Newcastle developed an “arrogant persistence” because the authorities locked up the victims rather than the offenders, a Serious Case Review has found.’
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/23/newcastle-grooming-gangs-acted-arrogant-persistence-serious/
    
    Compare and contrast this PCness and reluctance to act with how quickly they acted against the white single mother who put a rude note on an ambulance.
    
    The UK police / authorities appear to be totally fucked up!
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:58am
DigNap15

Yes good on them.
They did not take very long either!

What a piece of vile scum to do that to anyone. And he planned it!
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February 24, 2018 8:08am
- Chuck Bird
  
  According to Kim Workman he is a good person who does bad things.
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:34am
  - DigNap15
    
    I cant believe how that Kim evil piece of workperson
    got a NZ of the year award
    
    He should stick to trying to rehabilitate prisoners.
    Let us do the sentencing.
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:02am
DigNap15

200 immigrant construction workers.

The article did not make mention of the contractor who hired these people.

They have been avoiding paying tax, thousands in PAYE.

They should be name and shamed and charged.
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February 24, 2018 8:10am
- EAD_TWO
  
  You should watch this short YouTube video from the German equivalent of 60 Minutes from Wednesday:
  
  https://youtu.be/k-_7TaYb-mI
  
  The Harvard Lecturer explains to a sympathetic German journalist why the plebs are so unhappy with politics at the moment and let’s slip:
  
  “We are here daring to attempt a unique historical experiment: transforming a mono-ethnic, mono-cultural democracy into a multi-ethnic one.”
  
  At what point does the Kalegri Plan “conspiracy theory” become “conspiracy fact”?
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:30am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “We are here daring to attempt a unique historical experiment: transforming a mono-ethnic, mono-cultural democracy into a multi-ethnic one.”
    
    Meh!
    The US is a multi-ethnic democracy already.
    
    Likewise Japan, although the ethnic groups immigrated over a thousand years ago (from East and Southeast Asia). The UK similarly is a multi-ethnic state, with prehistoric and historic input from various parts of Europe and traces from North Africa (via the Roman Empire).
    
    So why the big deal over multi-ethnicism? It provides a diverse gene pool.
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:07am
- peterwn
  
  Seemed they were hired by sub-sub contractors. The sub-contractors should have recognised something was fishy when engaging another sub-contractor (who would not have sufficient reputation to sub-contract to the main contractor) or a ‘labour only’ supplier. Seems these people had sufficient knowhow and work ethic to turn in a reasonable job without attracting the attention of the clerk of works or main contractor or other tradies.
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:41am
  - Lance
    
    So the real trades people are being undercut on pricing and the next moment the govt is wailing “where are all the tradies?”
    
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    February 24, 2018 12:26pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Then while they’re at it they could clean up other industries, like forestry where immigrant labour is used and abused.
  Workers are paid minimum wage if they’re lucky but treated as contractors for statutory/annual/sick leave and ACC.
  Then if the contractor doesn’t feel like paying them he just stops answering his phone. By contracting out, the forestry owners and managers get a cheap job done with none of the liability.
  And there will be much more of that if this shower of incompetents ever find enough land to plant their promised trees.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:09am
  - KiWombat
    
    There must be an announcement coming soon Shaun, now more than 34,000,000 behind with the planting plan. Lets see a pic of Shane “unveiling” the 6,000 shovels required to plant them at least !
    
    I did hear reference yesterday to them all being pine trees – perhaps he could consider a percentage of native species – say 10%?
    
    GangGreen – get behind this one !
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:47am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      To be fair, it isn’t planting season yet, but someone is going to be very busy in April and May – especially since the ground has not been identified or prepared.
      
      Anyone asked James Shaw how he’s going to achieve target this year (or any other?)
      
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      February 24, 2018 12:09pm
  - VicParking
    
    But we are 333,333,333 trees behind
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:49am
    - Piniwi
      
      Too late VP as Jones has moved on with $3 billion to splash around (in a very selective manner/cultural way). He has given a hint with this response to possibly dishing some out for a medicinal pot project.
      “No, I think what New Zealanders look for in Maori politicians like myself is to say it as it is, I don’t pretend to have views about how cannabis has wrecked my own society, and now it’s P, I’m not going to back away from those views,” Mr Jones said.
      What a presumptuous moron claiming to know what NZ’s look for in native politicians. The majority will certainly be looking and know a good one when they come along. None in the current COL that many would trust but our expectations are still low or should we say “down to earth” and no bumps.
      
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      February 24, 2018 8:27pm
- tf78
  
  Who is the person/company having all the building work done and able to pay cash. You need to go much further up the ladder I think.
  
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  February 24, 2018 1:51pm
- Piniwi
  
  True DigNap15 and the alarm bells ringing is not THE Tsunami warning but A people Tsunami as a result of yet another big failure by Immigration NZ as we look like an easy location to target. Even the lack of an IRD number should have been the first buzz of a bell. Perhaps it needs to be seen like the Green Card in USA. No IRD number no work.
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another mass abduction of schoolgirls by Boko Haram, it appears.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/23/missing-nigerian-girls-declared-national-disaster-by-president
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February 24, 2018 8:14am
- DigNap15
  
  Maybe its time for Nigeria to split into two parts
  Southern Christian with all the oil.
  Northern muslim with all the sand.
  
  Then build a wall and keep the muslims out.!
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:25am
  - kowtow
    
    They tried that before. It was called the Biafra civil war.
    
    And Harold Wilson’s Labour Gubmint has a lot of blood on its hands for that one , comrade.
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/british-interests-nigerian-tragedy-1136684.html
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:08am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  The report must be wrong.
  That problem went away because Michelle and Oprah held up signs.
  
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  February 24, 2018 12:43pm
Manolo

The religion of peace at its best:
http://www.straitstimes.com/world/africa/car-bomb-gunfire-in-somali-capital-say-police

Twin car bombs exploded in Somalia’s capital on Friday (Feb 23), killing 18 people and wounding 20 others, the city’s ambulance service said, and Islamist militant group Al-Shabaab claimed responsibility for the attack.
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February 24, 2018 8:18am
- stigie
  
  Where is Stiffy this morning ???
  Oh thats right, had an all nighter with 2 of his best goats !~
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:39am
  - VicParking
    
    Quiet, he kept them in seperate rooms. Khadijah Gets jealous of Rayhana. ?????
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:55am
  - Gabby
    
    How do you know which are the best stinky?
    
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    February 24, 2018 12:39pm
    - stigie
      
      He gets a huge stiffy over both gobby just like the camel !~
      
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      February 24, 2018 1:22pm
DigNap15

Its time for them to close all madrassas.
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February 24, 2018 8:23am
Than

The notion of arming school teachers and staff is just utterly ludicrous.

Even simply considered from a tactical perspective, it’s a very bad idea. Teachers are not trained SWAT members and it’s unrealistic (and unfair) to expect them to be. In a chaotic situation with one or two gunmen and hundreds of terrified students, untrained shooters are far more likely to hit innocents than the attackers. Just throwing more rounds in the air would do more harm than good.

The idea that armed school staff would act as a deterrent is also laughable. For a start a high percentage of mass shootings are “suicide by cop” where the offenders doesn’t expect or want to survive. And of the rest, exactly how many would be rationally thought out acts? How many mass shooters sit down and think out, “gee, what’s going to happen to me after I do this”?

Turning schools into fortresses is not the solution. At some point America needs to grow the fuck up, give up their insane gun culture, and join the rest of the civilized world.
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February 24, 2018 8:30am
- G152
  
  There are evidently a large number of schools in the US where weapons are carried by security and staff.
  None of these schools have been attacked by one of these ‘gunmen’.
  They may be insane but they’re not stupid
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:39am
  - Than
    
    There are also a large number of schools without armed staff which haven’t suffered from mass shootings. Even in the US only an unfortunate tiny minority of schools suffer these events. The fact that a few schools have armed staff and haven’t had one is statistically meaningless.
    
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    February 24, 2018 8:43am
    - Disaster Area
      
      But there are armed guards in banks – they still get robbed. When Reagan was shot he was surrounded by Police and the Secret Service who are all armed and highly trained and on a state of high alert.
      So what makes you think that Mrs Dinkle who teaches Home Economics is going to be able to stop a shooter?
      
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      February 24, 2018 4:46pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes they are stupid.
    As long as they kill some people they have achieved their aim.
    Then they can go down in a blaze of glory.
    
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    February 24, 2018 8:59am
  - MCos
    
    The school that was attacked the other day had an armed security guard. Unfortunately when put to the test he proved to be perfectly useless.
    
    According to some information I found on Google there have been 18 school shootings in the US this year. Not many considering the many thousands of schools, but cold comfort to those effected.
    The problem is will the presence of guns on the school premises increase of decrease the danger. From what I’ve read there are more gun deaths in American homes where guns are present, supposedly for self defense, than gun free homes.
    
    Anyway it’s their problem to sort out .
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:20am
    - VicParking
      
      The 18 school shootings story is FAKE NEWS. It includes guns going off by mistake, guns fired in the vicinity of schools and in most nobody was even injured.
      
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      February 24, 2018 9:58am
      - MCos
        
        Guns going off by mistake.
        
        Well Well Well
        
        Who’d have thought?
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:27am
      - MCos
        
        Thirteen hundred kids a year a accidentally shot already in America
        https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/06/19/health/child-gun-violence-study/index.html
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:36am
- Paulus
  
  Sadly the questions
  How many of the parents of the children at the school have guns ?
  Will they now get rid of them (please).
  Bet they won’t.
  How many of the children at the school themselves have fired guns ?
  I understand there are est 270,000,000 to 300,000,000 guns in the USA and 18,000 gun deaths a year approx.
  I listen to the children and their parents blaming Trump, of course, but what do they suggest is the remedy.
  The US Constitution CANNOT be changed.
  So ?
  Switzerland has more guns per capita than the USA.
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:41am
  - SGA
    
    Switzerland has more guns per capita than the USA.
    
    From what I have read, you have to be careful with that comparison. You can’t just walk into a shop and by a hand gun or a semi-automatic rifle. Many of those guns are tied up with their military service arrangement which also serves as a extensive “licencing test” of sorts.
    
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    February 24, 2018 8:55am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes the Constitution can be changed.
    It has been before.
    It just needs a very high majority.
    
    (And when it was written the idea was the good decent Americans could carry a gun to defend the Revolution. Not shoot each other! Or commit crimes.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:01am
    - Liberty
      
      It was also written in 1787.
      The world has moved on since then.
      While bible belt America lives in a time warp.
      
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      February 24, 2018 11:14am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        When was the koran and bible written?
        
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        February 24, 2018 8:13pm
  - SGA
    
    The US Constitution CANNOT be changed.
    
    Well, no. Technically it can, but it’s a prohibitively arduous process.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:02am
    - Surely Knott
      
      You don’t need to change the constitution. There are some states like California that already have much stricter gun laws, banning of assault rifles, banning open carry, and a gun register, and heavy penalties for breaking the law. If there is the will of the people they could change it at state level. But they just love getting Donald Trump and his tweets in the news.
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:49am
      - marcw
        
        The San Bernadino conference center massacre where 15 delegates were killed by a Muslim terrorist couple was in a GUN FREE ZONE. Little consolation to them and their friends and families.
        
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        February 24, 2018 12:57pm
      - backster
        
        Surely Knott….and don’t forget Chicago very strict gun laws,highest murder rate.
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:59pm
      - stephieboy
        
        backstair , guns in Chicago are easily obtained interstate by whatever means .
        
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        February 24, 2018 2:16pm
      - Than
        
        Gun free zones are pointless without a controlled border. The case of Chicago (which gun-nuts love to cite) is a perfect example. Sure, Illinois has some of the strictest gun control laws in the US… but when people can drive half an hour and be in Indiana (which has some of the most permissive gun laws) that means exactly nothing.
        
        To be meaningful any gun control solution has to be done at a federal level. Attempting to enact gun control at a state or city level is pointless.
        
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        February 24, 2018 2:38pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      It’s called an ‘amendment’, surely an amendment is able to be changed.
      
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      February 24, 2018 12:08pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Are you suggesting that they amend the amendment? Might be an unusual concept for them to grasp!!
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:54pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yeah. Just as well they still have slavery and prohibition! 😉
        
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        February 24, 2018 2:00pm
  - cmm
    
    The US Constitution can be changed any time they want by making ammendments, of which there are now 33.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_amendments_to_the_United_States_Constitution
    
    Some of these are ammendments that undo previous ammendments.
    
    For example:
    18th: Prohibited the manufacturing or sale of alcohol within the United States.
    
    21st: Repeals the 18th Amendment and makes it a federal offense to transport or import intoxicating liquors into US states and territories where such transport or importation is prohibited by the laws of those states and territories.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:21am
  - Than
    
    Paulus, actually the US constitution can be changed. Indeed, the core right we’re talking about here is the 2nd Amendment (i.e the 2nd change) to the constitution.
    
    But just as important as the text of the constitution is how it gets interpreted. The 2nd Amendment (which the NRA and their ilk treat as holy writ) is not just a simple statement “everybody is allowed to own guns”. The actual text is;
    
    A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
    
    That first clause gets almost universally ignored. Which is disappointing because it is critical to trying to understand what the intent of the 2nd Amendment was. The use of the word “militia” is also enlightening. At the time this amendment was written professional armies (in the modern sense) were still in their infancy. Most armies were citizens miltias, consisting literally of groups of citizens grabbing their own firearms and meeting in town square. Obviously that is no longer the case – if somebody today joined the US Army and showed up with their own AR-15, they’d be told to ship it back home.
    
    Just on the words in the text, the 2nd Amendment could just as validly be interpreted not as a right of individuals to personally own firearms, but as the right of individuals to join and serve in the armed services. Which would have been far healthier for the US as a country, but sadly that is not how they have chosen to interpret it.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:27am
    - Sideoiler
      
      the 2nd Amendment could just as validly be interpreted not as a right of individuals to personally own firearms, but as the right of individuals to join and serve in the armed services.
      
      The second amendment does not grant a right, it is a limit on the powers of government. (shall not be infringed)
      
      Just on the words in the text, the 2nd Amendment could just as validly be interpreted not as a right of individuals to personally own firearms,
      
      If that were so then the first amendment would not aply to individuals.
      
      That the framers of the constitution intended the individual to have arms (because the second amendment says nothing about guns) would seem fairly obvious.
      “Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.”
      – William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 178
      
      The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed.”
      – Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
      
      Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined…. The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.”
      – Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:14am
  - VicParking
    
    You cant use Switzerland is an example as Soliders and ex soldiers keep there weapons at home. Under strict conditions however. In Switzerland once a solider always a solider.
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:02am
- SGA
  
  I was also curious about the practical issues involved in arming teachers. I can’t imagine it being written into their job description, for example, so I imagine it would be voluntary? Would they be trained in dealing with armed assailants in “crowd” situations? Would they be required to have regular shooting range time or refresher courses (I assume they would be paid for this time)? Would there be a competency test? Would they wear guns while they teach, have them in their desk draws, or a gun rack in the staff room? What provisions should be in place to make sure the weapon didn’t fall into the wrong hands?
  It seems that “arm the teachers” is a good “sound bite” but not sure it is all that desirable or practical.
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:51am
  - Kimbo
    
    Nah, I’m sure they already have teacher union-mandated workshops for complex and potentially hazardous skills like “diversity in the classroom”, so teaching ’em how to fire off a few rounds in a classic “kill cluster” to terminate a rogue gunman in a crowded classroom with extreme prejudice should be easy enough. ?
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:00am
    - SGA
      
      Fair enough 🙂
      Just spent a few moments imaging the variety of teachers that I had at school wearing a gun – some elements of horror and comedy resulted 🙂
      
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      February 24, 2018 9:05am
      - G152
        
        Most of my male teachers served during WW2.
        All very handy with weapons
        
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        February 24, 2018 9:55am
      - VicParking
        
        It’s a different World now!!!!
        When I was at high School we had Cadets. I was the highest ranked Pupil and in charge of HQ company. I had keys to the armoury during Cadet week and therefore had access to 303’s, Bren Guns, their bolts (In another building) and to the Armoury (303’s that fitted the Bren guns. Thank god I was only a little bit Mad.
        
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        February 24, 2018 12:19pm
      - RF
        
        VicParking.
        
        Likewise. My school also had a fully operational Vickers Machine gun that during Cadet week senior students were allowed to fire it at the local Military base ranges.
        
        Beautiful…
        
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        February 24, 2018 3:14pm
  - Disaster Area
    
    Would you want to be a person holding a weapon when Buford T Justice and his posse come bursting through the door? I wouldn’t.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:58am
  - VicParking
    
    I have a pistol, effect accurate range 30 metres. The mad bastard has M15 effect accurate range 300 metres. No contest, another dead body.
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:08am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      And where do you keep your pistol?
      
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      February 24, 2018 12:13pm
      - VicParking
        
        Unlike Stephie not in the rear end of a goat
        
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        February 24, 2018 12:20pm
      - GazzaW
        
        I suppose you keep yours in the glovebox of your top of the range Audi Splooge.
        
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        February 24, 2018 3:39pm
  - Liberty
    
    It is a very silly idea. Totally unworkable
    Trump hasn’t thought it through.
    Which is typical of his administration.
    
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    February 24, 2018 11:22am
- Inandout
  
  Than: It appears in your ‘gunless’ world the only Americans which have arms will be criminals, terrorists and the armed forces. At present:
  
  ‘But it is still fairly clear with a cursory glance of some statistics that illegal weapons have made their ways into the hands of plenty of criminals. 86% of juveniles in correctional facilities are reported to have owned a gun at some point, all of which would have been illegal weapons for the juveniles to own. 65% of juvenile offenders tend to own three or more illegal weapons and firearms.
  In Rochester, New York, there was even the reported statistic that 22% of all young males in the city, as opposed to just those who are juvenile offenders, have carried an illegal gun for some period of time. While these particular statistics are oriented around youth, it still remains fairly clear that illegal guns are very prevalent, for these young people to have such easy access to them’.
  
  The ideal answer would be to delete all criminals and the insane.
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:53am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I’ll repost from last night.
  
  Not according to a survivor of Colombine
  
  “Time and time again we point to the one common theme with mass shootings, they occur in gun-free zones,” Neville told The Washington Times. “This act would allow every law-abiding citizens who holds a concealed carry permit, issued from their chief law-enforcement officer, the right to carry concealed in order to defend themselves and most importantly our children from the worst-case scenarios.”
  
  https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/02/20/columbine-survivor-patrick-neville-pushes-for-concealed-carry-gun-laws-in-colorado-schools/23366348/
  
  If a number of teachers, especially those with military training, had concealed weapons, this would act as a deterrent.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:10am
  - Disaster Area
    
    Can I respond as a teacher who has military training?
    Firstly, a large percentage of the military handle firearms a lot less often than you would think. In fact, apart from the need to re-qualify on the weapons handling tests, most soldiers, nearly all sailors and RAF people will go for months at a time without seeing a weapon.
    Secondly, the training that I had, which was considerably more than most people who served, was about engaging targets with rifles at distances out t0 600 – 800 m, a very different set of skills to that needed in the urban environment. The attitude was that if they got closer than 100m then things had gone sadly wrong and it was time to fix bayonets and get a bit stabby.
    The people who are trained in hostage rescue/building clearance skills were highly trained. By this I mean that they would spend their working day on the range and get through thousands of rounds of ammunition a week, the cost of which was outrageous.
    There is no way that civilians, even ex-forces, would be able to be trained to a high enough standard to be anything other than a liability in an active shooter situation.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:56am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      A good way to stop half of these mass murders would be to stop making young men feel worthless due to being the wrong colour or sex or for being different, when every bloody other colour and sexual hue is glorified.
      
      It’s the disconnection from society that’s mostly to blame here and the constant virtue signalling and pressure to accept people who have actual mental problems, while ignoring those that could just require a kind word or some sort of personal interest are being marginalised and discarded.
      
      I don’t have the answers but I would suggest something like compulsory military service with associated mental support, or Sea Cadets or anything to pull them from the spiral that makes them feel worthless and angry *may* have results.
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:19am
      - Johnboy
        
        Arragh…Nothing like the Bosun’s mate showing a young seaman boy the golden rivet to straighten the young tyke out! 🙂
        
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        February 24, 2018 3:31pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Hi. I am also an ex Military – Teacher. I won’t dismiss your points, you raise valid concerns, and yes, it over 20 years since I fired military weapon. However, I believe that the fact that there are concealed weapons on unknown teachers, would act as a deterrent to someone contemplating a school shooting. At the moment they know the site is gun free – easy target. Make continuous training a condition of the concealed permit. Reducing gun ownership is only going to take arms of the law abiding citizens, not the criminals.
      
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      February 24, 2018 1:02pm
      - GazzaW
        
        How effective you think a 21 year old female teacher with a handgun and the benefit of an annual visit to the firing range would cope with a crazy or a terrorist sporting an automatic weapon and a backpack full of magazines?
        
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        February 24, 2018 3:47pm
      - Swifty
        
        I know a number of women who are superb with firearms.
        
        Safe, calm, controlled, accurate.
        
        My 12 year old daughter just about outshoots me on targets.
        
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        February 24, 2018 4:08pm
      - Swifty
        
        GazzaW, if you were a teacher and you heard shots going off around the school and they were getting closer to your classroom – would you prefer to be armed or not?
        
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        February 24, 2018 4:17pm
    - RF
      
      Close quarter defence shooting with a pistol involves a double tap into the critical mass. e.g. 2 shots into the chest.
      
      But… if the other guy has a semi auto rifle it’s time to back off and wait for backup.
      
      I don’t blame those deputies for not rushing in only armed with pistols.
      
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      February 24, 2018 3:25pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    “Military Training”. That’s what the posters above you are conveniently ignoring from Trumps statement too. He is not saying arm all teachers but he is saying that those with the requisite training could be armed to stop situations like this.
    
    Lets not also forget there is one major statistic being ignored by the media:
    
    Black males aged 14-40 make up 4% of the population yet are responsible for 50% of the gun related homicides in the USA.
    
    That’s an inconvenient truth however.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:58am
    - SGA
      
      Lets not also forget there is one major statistic being ignored by the media:
      
      We are talking about school shootings such as just occurred in Florida, aren’t we? How many of those shooters have been black, AgentBallSack?
      
      Add: As I think of it, few of the mass shootings in a church, school, MacDonald’s, have been black, haven’t they?
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:16am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        SGA 3 *actual* school shootings this year resulting in about 30 killed. Now go look up Detroits cumulative murder rate for the year. I will wait
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:26am
      - SGA
        
        I am having trouble following your point. How will arming teachers (which is what I had thought this discussion was about) reduce the largely gang-related black vs black shootings?
        
        Granted, those stats are, I am sure, appalling but what’s their relevance here?
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:30am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        The relevance is there’s where your real murder rate is in USA. Fuck man do you have to be shown how to drink water every day as well?
        Funny how when a Muslim commits a crime, the go to line is he’s a mentally ill lone wolf, when a young American boy commits a crime it’s all OMG GUNS!
        
        That’s entirely due to the political leanings of the majority of newspapers. Abortion killing hundreds of millions of babies a year? All fine and dandy! Guns that kill 12 thousand people a year? BAN THEM.
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:37am
      - SGA
        
        Funny how when a Muslim commits a crime, the go to line is he’s a mentally ill lone wolf, when a young American boy commits a crime it’s all OMG GUNS!
        
        I think the idea that Cruz is a mentally disturbed loner has had plenty of media coverage. And, as happens whenever there is mass shooting, there has been the usual “OMG GUNS” reaction (which typically leads to nothing much happening).
        
        That said, I had thought the issue of arming teachers was what you started talking about, and I couldn’t see why the murder rate among young black males was relevant (or why the media would find it relevant).
        
        Chronic issues (such as urban crime in the USA or abortion) never get the splash of media attention that acute incidents (such as a school shooting) do. Why a media report on a school shooting in Florida would jump to crime rates in Detroit or abortion escapes me.
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:49am
      - GoVege
        
        ABS: I take it from your moniker that you have never, and will never, be in the unfortunate situation of being young, unsupported and pregnant?
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:53pm
    - Disaster Area
      
      Did you read the part where I say that I have military training?
      Did you also miss the part where I mentioned the amount of time, ammunition and money that would be required to keep a person’s training up to a satisfactory level?
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:17am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        wtf is happening to posts?
        I wrote that while you were writing yours and didn’t see your reply until after I posted Disaster. See my further to you above
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:24am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        And yet you were talking about shots of over 800 yards requiring that sort of training. Then you made a throw away comment about bayonets within 100 yards and expected to be taken as a world wide expert on firearms. Yes Firing at long ranges takes a lot of practice. Except we are talking about firing in close range 10 -20 feet away. Even a moron like stephie could do that
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:41am
      - Disaster Area
        
        AgentBallSack,
        
        Trust me when I say that firing rounds at a static target on a range is very, very different to trying to hit a living person. Especially one who is running around and firing back, with innocents panicking in a building with lots of hiding places, regardless of distance.
        
        I was trying to point out that the image that people have of every soldier being able to pick up a weapon and dispense with the bad guy is so far from reality as to be laughable. Even Chris Kyle, the ex-SEAL, was killed by someone with a gun who was known to be mentally unstable. If an ex-Tier 1 operative can’t do it then Bob the pay clerk from RHQ is most unlikely to be able to.
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:00am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Hi You make valid points, but if the concealed carry acts as a deterrent, the live situation should not arise. If it does, having teachers respond immediately is probably going to result in less casualties than waiting for the cops to arrive.
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:31pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        But the concealed hand guns do raise the possibilities of negligent discharges, theft, teachers blowing a valve and shooting, mistaken identities, etc…
        
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        February 24, 2018 4:51pm
    - Gabby
      
      How often do they shoot up schools Ancient Ballbag?
      
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      February 24, 2018 1:14pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rightoverlabour , just think it out for moment ! .In NZ,Australia ,Canada , Japan , Singapore etc Politicians and people are not talking about your kind of madness with no mass and school shootings .
    
    Simply because the above use sane and sesnsible tight gun control laws .
    
    Go and figure !
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:11am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      I wrote that while you were writing yours and didn’t see your reply until after I posted Disaster. See my further to you above.
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:21am
      - stephieboy
        
        “Abortion killing hundreds of millions of babies a year?”
        
        A contentious claim that relates to the definition of a “life in being “
        
        Also what about the thousand being killed in the Middle East and elsewhere .
        
        The facts are we in NZ do not have the deal with school and other mass shootings . We fortunately don’t have a gun culture and more importantly we have strict provisions for their control and use .
        
        Again ,go and figure !
        
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        February 24, 2018 10:47am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      SQUIRREL. Explain the Black homicide rates instead of writing bullshit posts about other countries who don’t have the same problems
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:23am
      - GoVege
        
        Black homicide rates have a lot to do with the male chauvinism of black males, many of whom believe they have the right to have sex with as many females as they like without bothering to use contraception or taking responsibility for any resulting children.
        (And American Christians who make it hard for young single women to access abortion.)
        
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        February 24, 2018 2:03pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Tightening gun laws in the USA will only disarm law abiding civilians. Then see the bloodbath. The same would happen in South Africa (where strangely there are very few school mass shootings that I am aware of.)
      
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      February 24, 2018 1:09pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Constitutional Rights Must be Inviolate
  As for the insane gun culture, it is a right enshrined in the US constitution. Constitutions should be inviolate. Constitutional rights should equally be untouchable without the benefit of a plebiscite on the matter.
  
  Imagine if had a government that started tinkering willy nilly with NZ’s constitution. There would be an absolute uproar. One could argue that Governor Grey never intended to commit to the endless litigation arising from the much broader interpretation contained in the Maori version. It would be easy to argue that only the English version was what was intended by the Crown.
  
  Regardless of the merits of either case, it would be utterly unreasonable to infringe on those constitutional clauses, equally it would be unconscionable to infringe on those enshrined in the US constitution. And once you start fucking around with one aspect, the bar is much lowered on all other aspects – it’s a slipperly slope no right-minded democracy should get on to.
  
  The obvious solution rarely is
  Similarly, it’s childish in the extreme to carry out such a simplistic mono-variant analysis of what is a classic “wicked” policy problem. “Maori academic achievements are bad, therefore Maori are just dumb” is on the same level of analysis as “School shootings, gun-control is the answer”. Shootings account for a small proportion of deaths of kids in Florida, knife attacks account for 8x the number of deaths – if you want to save kids lives wouldn’t it be smarter to ban knives? Ann Coulter correctly points out that 75% of mass shootings are carried out by immigrants – much more sensible to ban immigrants if you want to save kids lives. I could go on, but these examples are as childishly simplistic as the AR-15 ban idea.
  
  The answer is to carry out an analysis of the problem and attack the causal factors in order of those which will have the greatest impact. And as is usually the case with wicked problems – the solution will normally be with the intersection of a number of different interventions that coordinate to have an impact over time.
  
  Knee-jerking without any evidence (particularly where it opens a violation of a constitutionally enshrined right) is just playing politics on the graves of the dead kids! And they deserve better.
  
  Any erosion or infringement of any constitutional rights is a disturbing step along the pathway to totalitarianism.
  
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  February 24, 2018 2:17pm
KiWombat

I see that in the US there is a Gun store having a 50% sale next week – they’re advertising it as a “back to school” sale
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February 24, 2018 8:37am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  You’re on fire this morning KW.
  Like your work.
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:46am
  - KiWombat
    
    And all without a single expletive !
    
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    February 24, 2018 8:57am
  - stephieboy
    
    Like your work ?
    
    Unbelievable !
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:12am
    - KiWombat
      
      Leave it alone S
      
      I can’t see the problem with calling an Australian an Aussie, a Pakistani a Paki a Scotsman a Scot, or you an asshole –
      
      Vitriol for the sake of vitriol !
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:52am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        I am deeply offended that you are not offended by any of those deeply racist abbreviations.
        
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        February 24, 2018 2:21pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      We get that you don’t get humour.
      We also get that you don’t do humour.
      Perhaps you could sit the conversation out when it gets humorous so as to not make a total horses ass of yourself.
      
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      February 24, 2018 12:20pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  It’s amazing how just in a few short years, the reaction from the mainstream right has changed. At the very least, all the right has realised there is a concerted effort to part the American populace with their guns.
  
  But its now deeper than that – People who said Sandy Hook might have been a false flag were regarded as borderline insane asylum material a little over 2 years ago.
  
  With the Florida shooting however, a lot of my “normie” friends doubt the official version of events on the back of the “crisis actors” that were exposed.
  
  It’s like the Las Vegas shooting. Nobody doubts it happened but a lot of people have (justifiably) reached the conclusion that there had to be more than 1 shooter.
  
  Watching the trust in the MSM evaporate before our eyes is a beautiful thing.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:22am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    They have been very quiet about the Las Vegas shooting. Seems the media don’t want people knowing the “shooter” was a registered Democrat. Also the security guard appearing on the Ellen show? Witnesses disappearing, the crime scene photos, there’s a lot we’re not being told.
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:02am
    - stephieboy
      
      ABS,
      
      Crisis actors, deep state, false flag: the rise of conspiracy theory code words
      
      The idea that mass shooting victims and witnesses are hired performers serving a dark purpose has over the last decade migrated from the farthest margins of conspiracy media
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/21/crisis-actors-deep-state-false-flag-the-rise-of-conspiracy-theory-code-words
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD TWO , Sandy Hook was not a false flag . Conspiracy theory nut territory !
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:14am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Dear oh dear
      
      Whichever SB is on duty today is very much at the muppet-end of the spectrum EAD2 didn’t say he/she/it/cis/trans/they/phi thought it was a false flag. They normally referred to how people thought of people who had (thought it was a FF).
      
      Reading impaired much?
      
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      February 24, 2018 2:24pm
- VicParking
  
  The COL had one on Friday it was called “back to hyper inflation”
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:11am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Well if libtards will play up and demonise the law-abiding gun owners in the US – who can blame them if they take a “fuck-you” attitude and buy an extra gun or two and laugh at the pussy-hat wearing socialists in the process.
  
  Bad taste is part of free speech. Every time Madonna opens her mouth she defines new lows in bad taste – but I wouldn’t want to infringe her rights to do so.
  
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  February 24, 2018 2:20pm
AgentBallSack

Looking at the comments last night it seems QueSeraSera took offense to my mentioning of music aimed to vilify and degrade John Key.

Probably didn’t like me saying FUCK JACINDA ARDERN either.

But to put it in context I went and dug out this lovely piece of political party advertising paid for by us, and distributed by Internet Mana (remember them?)

So here you go QSS – Fuck John Key! in all its infamous glory.
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February 24, 2018 8:43am
- stigie
  
  These pricks need reminding ABS, the hypocrisy from the left is astonishing !~
  
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  February 24, 2018 8:59am
- Gravelroad
  
  And that Dot Com criminal is still here reckoning he is hard done by and seeking special treatment.
  He’s soft and so are we or putting up with him.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:27am
  - Paulus
    
    Believe KDC back in Auckland as Queenstown does not have the medical facilities he needs.
    They will have them via prison initially in Germany to where he will be extradited.
    
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    February 24, 2018 1:42pm
- stephieboy
  
  ABS, just because someone else may of done it ,is it necessary for you to go into a childish and puerile meltdown ?
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:19am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    FO stephiebitch. Go blow a goat
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:33am
    - stigie
      
      Don’t you mean the other way round ABS, whose more intelligent..?
      
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      February 24, 2018 11:23am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  ABS, it’s a struggle to know if I should uptick you because I agree with your point, or down tick because that song disgusts me.
  Neither sits comfortably.
  
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  February 24, 2018 5:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Three young girls endured 10 years of sexual abuse from this very large man.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/101729300/kaikura-man-marcus-shane-solomon-guilty-of-historic-sex-abuse

What is the appeal of sexually abusing little children?
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February 24, 2018 8:44am
- Kimbo
  
  All of life is about sex, except sex, which is about power.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:07am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    House of Cards quote. I never bought it.
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:06am
- Inandout
  
  This Solomon guy looks he has done well out of Treaty settlements, but what a piece of shit he is. We need to be reminded that kiddie fiddling amongst the Maori people is very common, but hidden away by that ‘cone of silence’ most of the time.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:09am
  - DigNap15
    
    Its OK,
    His cousi’s will forgive him.
    
    Abusing young children is one of the worst crimes there is. Becasue it affects the children for the rest of their lives.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:18am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    ‘Cone of silence’ ?
    No, no, no “there were meetings about it up at the Marae.”
    We should have more of this Marae justice, it’s so – effective. //
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:20am
    - stigie
      
      No, no, no “there were meetings about it up at the Marae.”
      
      They had a conversation about it don’t you know !~
      
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      February 24, 2018 9:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    Recalls this recent Arizona case ,
    
    “Arizona couple arrested after their four adopted children found locked up with no food or water”
    
    A BOY has escaped from a house of horrors where he and his siblings were held captive by their adoptive parents, and raised the alarm with authorities.
    
    http://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/tucson-couple-arrested-after-four-children-found-locked-up-in-house-with-no-food-or-water/news-story/6fbd94a64798852f23737e9766a8bc71
    
    No treaty settlements there !
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:23am
- Southern Raider
  
  Sounds like systemic power game issue are that Marae
  
  States the kamatua was done for same things last year
  
  Part of issue would be this fat slob was part of Ngai Tahu leadership dynasty so would have been protected
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:20am
  - stephieboy
    
    Southern Raider , based on what evidence and set of facts ?
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:25am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well if you read about the sentencing of the kaumatua, you would have discovered that
      1. there had been systemic abuse occurring
      and
      2. Females had called a couple of hui to discuss the sexual abuse they had been subjected to over the years.
      It’s all here in black and white:
      Another police prosecution against a runanga member was under way and involved different complainants to the Stirling case. However, both cases were expected to consider an alleged background of rampant historical sexual abuse in the local whanau.
      
      The police inquiry began after a group of runanga women helped arrange a series of hui in 2011 and 2012 to discuss sexual abuse and how children could be kept safe in the future. One of the women had produced a list containing about 70 names of possible victims and perpetrators.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/78564898/ngai-tahus-kaikoura-kaumatua-tai-stirling-sentenced-for-historic-sex-abuse-charges
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:46am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Based on the evidence that a few of them are now convicted molesters. Due to the facts put before the court.
      Fuck you are stupid.
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:48am
- GoVege
  
  Sexual abuse is a problem in all cultures, but we need to remember that in sexist cultures…which includes all Polynesian cultures. …it is a much bigger problem.
  That’s because females are expected to serve and service males.
  What these young girls went through is just the tip of the iceberg.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    Govege , it is problem in all cultures .It is just a big problem amongst whites as it is among Polynesians as Robert Burrett graphically reminds us ,
    
    “Child rapist Robert Burrett jailed for 19-and-a-half years”
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11621027
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:28am
    - GoVege
      
      SB: it’s a matter of DEGREE.
      Of course all societies have sexual (and other) abusers.
      The problem with sexist cultures is they accept and condone abuse of females.
      Very little. ..probably nothing…would be done about it in those cultures.
      It is mostly only in western cultures that these abusers are had up, and only fairly recently too.
      
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      February 24, 2018 11:21am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Here, at last, we see some Muslim women are starting to speak out about the abuse they have been subjected to.
        http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-43174322/groped-by-holy-mosque-guard-during-hajj-in-mecca
        
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        February 24, 2018 2:12pm
cmm

Hi stephie

Hoo boy! So much can change in a day.

The reason the intel and wetwork teams went off-comms yesterday is that they decided to be “independently creative” for the day. Well that’s the term the wetwork team leader used (you remember her, she’s the hot chick that kissed the taxi driver and gave him the flu).

Someone on the wetwork team had a grudge with the Ukranian taxi driver from the 1980s when he was in the KGB and they decided to “balance the cosmos”.

The details are still a bit sketchy, and the true facts will never emerge, but the taxi driver seems to have been a bit careless and got his seatbelt tangled around his neck then driven into the harbour.

Singapore is a clean city, but harbour water is still harbour water wherever you are. And driving a battery car like a Prius into salt water makes a lot of chlorine gas, not that it mattered to him by then.

You guys could use some Singaporean police to sort out the tagging and stuff. A bit of caning can do wonders. But I digress…

Anyway what is important is that you’re back in the running for supreme leader of our galaxy.

The other good thing is the wet team are back to defending you, but that does not mean you should be careless.

The Maggy bot has clearly been probed again and we think there was a data leak this time, so assume they’re onto you now.

Whatever you do, stop showing your toothbrush to people – especially people with coffee cups.

Check your toothbrush and count the bristles at least once an hour. Your dental hygiene is important and it must not be compromised.

The situation is changing rapidly. Hopefully more news soon.

Be careful!
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February 24, 2018 9:04am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  PS.
  Brush your teeth after kissing your goat. 😉
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:07am
  - VicParking
    
    Why is Stephie Shit faced again ??
    
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    February 24, 2018 12:22pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @cmm
  
  I’m worried about copyright issues on the Comrade Waggy T-shirts.
  Somebotty has hacked our designs
  https://www.qwertee.com/product/comrade-adipose
  
  https://www.etsy.com/nz/listing/565454680/matryoshka-babushka-sexy-street-art?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=matryoshka%20t%20shirt&ref=sr_gallery-1-40
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:57am
  - stephieboy
    
    MaggyW , the T shirts should read ,
    
    Comrade
    Waggy
    Waffle
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:31am
    - cmm
      
      That one might not work, but keep the creative juices flowing. That’s why we’ve got you on the team!
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:43am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      We could get you one saying
      CAUTION
      I stare
      at young
      girls tits
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:46am
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS , so perfect for you !
        
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        February 24, 2018 2:26pm
  - cmm
    
    We’ll send hot chick to “negotiate” any intellectual property issues.
    
    Don’t sweat the small stuff!
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:42am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @cmm
      whew, thanks…
      I’d rather keep up with my ~~hacking~~, ~~website invasion~~, communication duties.
      
      Latest received:
      ਤੁਹਾਡੀ ਵੈਬਸਾਈਟ ਨੂੰ ਹੈਕ ਕੀਤਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ
      
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      February 24, 2018 11:31am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    While we are on the subject of t shirts, remember Stephie-flower I will be the one wearing the real men don’t bully ladies shirt in the morning.
    
    Gluten Free cake and black coffee Stephie-server.
    
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    February 24, 2018 12:07pm
DigNap15

Regarding that black guy who raped and killed the girl in Christchurch.
They say he has 3 children.
So if he has a wife here as well.
All 4 of them should be deported next week.
Otherwise he will be a burden on us (jail time)
And so will they on WINZ etc.
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February 24, 2018 9:15am
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap15 ,
  
  “All 4 of them should be deported next week.”
  
  All four may have NZ Citizenship and rights . .
  
  “And so will they on WINZ etc.”
  
  Do you know that as fact ?
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:34am
  - cmm
    
    Unfortunately stephie is probably right.
    
    This bucket of milk can’t be unspilled.
    
    But we can stop making the problem worse.
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:47am
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm, “ probably “ is not a fact !
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:58am
      - cmm
        
        Let’s try some logical reasoning:
        
        if “probably” is not a fact,
        then “stephie is probably right” is not a fact.
        
        So does that means you telling me stephie is talking shit?
        
        Fuck this is confusing! Maybe I should start drinking coffee again.
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:04am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    The criminal should have entered the country on authentic documents.
    Do you know for a fact that he did?
    Where’s your evidence?
    
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    February 24, 2018 12:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      There are suppression orders over how this killer entered NZ and events in his early life.
      Born in Gambia, a small West African slither on the Atlantic coast, surrounded by neighbouring Senegal, much of Marong’s life and how he came to New Zealand in 2012 cannot be reported because of suppression orders.
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12000374
      
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      February 24, 2018 2:22pm
ztev

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
hagar has made available on the web, the whole chapter of Dirty Politics concerning Mark Mitchells selection as nationals ECB candidate.
A whole Chapter !
We all knew it was a corruption of the party rules because they had to ‘redo the selection’
Not too different from the ‘redo’ needed in Selwyn about same time.
https://dirtypoliticsnz.com/2018/02/20/dirty-politics-chapter-9-simon-lusks-plan/

What sort of party is national when some candidates and their hired help are corrupting the partys selection rules?
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February 24, 2018 9:19am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Will Hager write an expose about the virtue-signalling PM’s bf?
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:25am
- ztev
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Some highlights:
  Mitchell, their selection candidate, was paying big money for this dirty campaigning, and was well aware of what he was buying.
  
  Slater wrote to Lusk, ‘I hope Mark is up with the play on these posts.’
  Lusk said, ‘Yes am talking to him a lot. He is telling me that it is having a massive effect.’
  Slater replied, ‘Hehe.’
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:25am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes they should have just done what Helen and Winnie did in 2005 and just spend taxpayer money set aside for schools, roads and cancer patient treatments.
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:42am
  - stigie
    
    Christ, ztrev has been reading the Womens Weekly again, full of shit that the left get their rocks off at any propaganda that’s going to make them feel good !~
    
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    February 24, 2018 9:47am
  - thedavincimode
    
    ztev, how would this compare to a liebour candidate being convicted of electoral fraud and having a wee holiday locked up at home? What about using public money to buy a list seat? What about stealing public money to spend on a pledge card and then changing the law to cover it up – and trying to suppress free speech in the process? What about inducing potential buyers of a painting to pay more for it by falsely claiming to have painted it? What about committing benefit fraud? What about backhanders in kind and getting six years in the pokey?
    
    How does this all compare to not actually breaking the law?
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:58am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Why doesn’t ztev want to play anymore? 🙁
    We’ve only got to the tip of the iceberg. Then we can move onto family members where he started yesterday – Ministerial cars, drugs …
    
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    February 24, 2018 12:17pm
- KevOB
  
  Are you suggesting National were following Labour’s playbook?
  
  Have you ever faced candidate selection by National to verify their procedural integrity?
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:32am
- Harkman
  
  An entire chapter from a book that can be found in bargain bins for $2.99. No way!
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:39am
- alloytoo
  
  Hager?
  
  Receiver of stolen property, believes public interest can wait 6 months while he writes half a story….
  
  Can’t read a map?
  
  Believe’s journalistic ethics are something he’s qualified to teach…..cause you know he can’t actually do?
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:43am
  - ztev
    
    Judge said it was in ‘public interest’
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:41am
  - ztev
    
    Receiver of stolen Property ?
    
    Ask Michael Mathers about that- thats right Joyce is now running of party leader
    Stealing copyright is OK in the national party
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:43am
    - mikenmild
      
      Marshall Mathers, isn’t it?
      But it’s always the same with stolen stuff. If the emails make my opponent look bad – it’s courageous whistle-blowing. If they make me look bad – it’s an outrageous theft of private information.
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:48am
- Peter
  
  “Next, the right could dominate the media by
  the dominance of right-wing blogs: ‘the right currently controls the blogosphere ”
  
  …according to Hager.
  
  Yes, it’s due to right-wing blogs providing actual diversity of opinion. Radical, I know. Imagine, all these readers who are tired of MSM Pravda and their virtue-signalling airheads. They seek out an alternate view.
  
  It must be stopped.
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:35am
Doubledimp

I see Judith is continuing her leadership campaign, this time on 7 days on tv3 last night. It’s a bit risky pitching direct to the voters rather than caucus, they might get a bit snippy about being reminded that they work for us, and vote someone else in as Nat leader. (This is my pick BTW, they will vote Amy in because they like her, rather than Judith who will actually win an election).
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February 24, 2018 9:19am
- Notsofast
  
  Collins will never win an election. I know several intelligent national die hards who hate her guts. They see her as an immature and puerile piece of detritus.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:53am
  - kowtow
    
    If they’re so intelligent why did they allow the party to swamp this country with Chinese and Indian immigrants as well as taking in thousands of Muslim refugees who’ll spend their whole lives here on welfare.
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:48am
  - KevOB
    
    That means they are assessing Judith by their own standards. The way Labour impute to others their own failings.
    
    Ignorance doesn’t follow wisdom.
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:52am
  - VicParking
    
    Notsofast: Just one of the current bench on both sides of the house then
    
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    February 24, 2018 12:26pm
DigNap15

I believe that all automatic weapons should be banned.
And that you should belong to a bona fide gun club.
Here and in the States.
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February 24, 2018 9:20am
- AgentBallSack
  
  AR15s are semi-automatic so what the fuck is that going to do? Stop falling for the “sick white man shooter” fallacy the MSM are pushing and look at the real cause of gun deaths in America.
  Black Criminals.
  Even if you took every legitimate gun owners guns off Americans there would still be 300 million guns in the hands of criminals.
  
  To quote the NRA: When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:08am
  - Disaster Area
    
    Can you just recap over the last few school shootings and point out which were carried out by ‘black criminals’?
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:14am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Interesting you only seem concerned about School shootings, which account for a small percentage of gun homicides, but not the very major problem of black on black shootings
      Racist much.
      
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      February 24, 2018 10:54am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , red herring territory alert !
        
        You don’t have any feelings for the victims in the Florida School Shooting , Sandy Hook , Columbine etc, etc ?
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:01am
      - Disaster Area
        
        I was refering just to school shootings because of the posts above about Trump’s batshit idea of arming teachers.
        It’s not racist to focus on one aspect of a wider issue, even though I would say that it is strange that other countries have a) black people, b) gangs and yet gun control which appears to result in fewer gun deaths.
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:07am
      - Harkman
        
        All_on_Red, SB doesn’t care about individuals being killed, it’s all about collectivism.
        
        Black on Black killings can’t be tied to Trump, they’re the result of the leftist welfare policies, in lefty run cities, destroying the Black family structure, so naturally SB ignores them. Or perhaps Black lives don’t matter to SB.
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:54am
      - stephieboy
        
        Hackman, although black crime is an important issue has no real bearing per se on the issue of school shootings .
        
        The only relevance is the sanity of of sensible gun controls as we experience and in Australia .
        
        Hence red herring territory !
        
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        February 24, 2018 12:51pm
      - Paulus
        
        Of the 270,000,000 to 300,000,000 guns in the USA there are approximately 18,000 killings pa by shooting.
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:49pm
      - GoVege
        
        “Leftist welfare policies ….destroying the Black family structure”?
        Leftist welfare supports the abandoned kids of chauvinist black males.
        Some of the mums do the leaving of course…. but usually only after getting tired of being a punch bag.
        
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        February 24, 2018 3:25pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Ideal, yes. Realistic, no. Again: only the criminals would then have the most dangerous weapons.
  
  Trump is right to want tighter control/vetting.
  
  Sadly, he may also be right that arming and training some teachers might be necessary.
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:11am
- kowtow
  
  Automatic rifles are already banned here.
  
  So if there are any here they will already be in the hands of criminals .
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:49am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Great so that’s what you believe.
  
  How about the rational for why. Particularly why it is ok to climb on the slippery slope where inviolate constitutional rights are no longer inviolate.
  
  A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed
  
  The words “shall not be infringed” jumps out as a pretty hard to argue with clarification.
  
  Also, I see nothing in that statement that says “the right of the people to keep and bear most types of Arms”.
  
  It’s a slippery slope towards totalitarianism to start messing with any constitutional rights. Once one is violated, the rest become easier to water down. The precedent is very, very dangerous.
  
  Look at the other constitutional rights and see what kind of society the US would have if they started being conditional.
  
  Mostly fair trials?
  A lot of the time homes can’t be unlawfully searched?
  Only certain people can have unabridged free speech?
  
  A proper analysis is required of all the factors, not just the one that takes the least thinking about.
  
  All car accidents involve people wearing underwear! Can we save lives by banning underwear?
  
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  February 24, 2018 2:40pm
Southern Raider

Muslim in Paris pours acid into a baby stroller burining the baby of a Rabbi

Apparently there was no anti Semitic intent
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February 24, 2018 9:21am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Ref: https://www.jta.org/2018/02/21/news-opinion/world/french-rabbis-baby-burned-with-acid-placed-in-stroller
  
  “The acid had been placed inside a carriage that the baby’s grandmother had parked in a communal space inside her apartment building overnight from Sunday to Monday. The grandmother rushed the baby to the hospital after noticing a severe irritation on the baby’s skin after taking her for a walk in the stroller and then bringing her inside.”
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:39am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I assume that someone poured the acid into the stroller, and it soaked into the fabric. Unless the acid had a strong odor or stained the fabric, the grandmother would not have noticed it.
    
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    February 24, 2018 11:28am
  - GoVege
    
    Omg…targetting babies.
    Maybe it was the same kind of low-life who was recently apprehended for plotting to assassinate Prince George.
    
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    February 24, 2018 3:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  Southern Raider ,from the link ,
  
  “Police are looking into a possible anti-Semitic motive, perhaps by a neighbor, a police source told Le Parisien.
  
  The stroller was taken into police custody as part of the investigation, according to the newspaper.
  
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  February 24, 2018 11:04am
  - VicParking
    
    So it was the bloody French strollers fault. You just cant trust those Froggy prams.
    
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    February 24, 2018 12:31pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Vic Parking , not at all . Obviously the offender’s fault .
      
      Merely suggesting not rushing to judgement and conclusions based on the little facts and information we have before us .
      
      Let the police investigation continue !
      
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      February 24, 2018 12:53pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Oy Vey❗
  
  You would think somebody died rather than suffered minor burns.
  
  I guess the French people don’t have an emotionally loaded word like “anti-semitism” (shock, horror, gasp❗) as hundreds of them get murdered by the invaders the Jews have been at the forefront of importing.
  
  http://balder.org/judea/Hate-Speech-Laws-Immigration-Jewish-Influence-France.php
  
  In amy case, at least the Jews have their own homeland to go back to where the muzzies are kept behind a wall and Africans are forcibly kicked out under threat of arrest.
  
  Where can the French flee as their homeland is overun ala Camp of the Saints
  
  Why did 97% of Jews vote for the candidate promising to massively increase Islamic immigration?
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/french-israelis-vote-overwhelmingly-for-macron/
  
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  February 24, 2018 11:43am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    So what – nobody died.
    
    A child was hurt, that’s what.
    
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    February 24, 2018 11:46am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Ban acid and ban babies!
  
  See I’m a democrat and I fixed the problem!
  
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  February 24, 2018 2:41pm
Hugh Pavletich

LOOKING FOR YOUR MILLION DOLLAR SYDNEY HOME ? … THE GUARDIAN REPORTS …

The gorgeous photos of the derelict properties you still can’t afford … The Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/feb/23/the-gorgeous-photos-of-the-derelict-properties-you-still-cant-afford

The gorgeous photos of the derelict properties you still can’t afford

Nobody focuses on the housing market crisis in quite the same way real estate photographers do

by Steph Harmon and Carly Earl

… extract …

… “We didn’t touch anything. It was just too hazardous – you don’t know what’s under some of the clothing and stuff. Upstairs was super, super hazardous; you could fall through some of those bedroom floors.”

The house has a price guide of $1m, and is described on the listing as “the ultimate fixer upper”.

“All attendees are required to sign a waiver prior to entry. No entry to anyone aged under 16. No open toe shoes to be worn.” … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
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… A politically induced poverty creation programme … strangling the supply and artificially inflating the price of land …

2018 14th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
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… and the lifestyle when Sydney was affordable …

SYDNEY AUSTRALIA 1966 – YOUTUBE VIDEO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR1CU8NjGW0
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February 24, 2018 9:46am
- Harkman
  
  Hugh it’s the same thing everyday. You need to liven things up.
  
  Houses prices are a monetary phenomena. They shot up because of low interest rates and quantitative easy. If house prices are falling in NZ (as my data suggests they are) it is due to the Labour Coalition government scaring the sector.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:55am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Harkman … Check out the house prices / multiples of the middle North American urban areas and those in California of this years Demographia Survey (note link included above).
    
    There is no dispute within the reputable global research community that impeding land supply is the primary driver of unnecessary housing inflation.
    
    Read what I have to say within the Introduction Section of this years Demographia Survey as well … making it clear New Zealand is the global leader in getting workable structural solutions in place.
    
    New Zealanders are now very aware indeed the artificial bubble pricing days are over … and understandably are refusing to pay bubble prices … yesterdays Interest Co NZ report …
    
    BREAKING NEWS … NEW ZEALAND UPDATE …
    
    Owning a home is now more within reach for first home buyers in Auckland as prices tumble and interest rates remain low | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/92294/owning-home-now-more-within-reach-first-home-buyers-auckland-prices-tumble-and
    
    The funny thing is, most Protectionist Tories didn’t see them (political and market changes) coming !
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:21am
- Classic Liberal
  
  It’s not about the house, Hugh. It’s about location, location, location.
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:13am
- Swifty
  
  BREAKING NEWS … NEW ZEALAND UPDATE …
  
  Yesterday a Christchurch resident, a Mr H Pavletich, was discovered in the basement of his home with his head stuck firmly up his arse.
  
  Despite multiple enquiries of him we have been unable to determine exactly how long he has been in this predicament, however we can report that family and his very few friends have been quoted as saying “Oh, Hugh has had his head stuck up his arse as long as we can remember. He’s always been like that”.
  
  A long time neighbour of Mr Pavletich also added “ever since he was a wee boy Hugh preferred living with his head stuck up his arse. When the other kids were running around and playing games Hugh could always be found in the basement of the family home, head up his arse, pouring over the paper’s finance section – we always giggled that it was why he had such a shitty outlook on life.
  
  We’ve all tried to help him over the years – but he always refuses. I’m not surprised the Fire Brigade had no luck”.
  
  A curious case indeed. We will continue to monitor this story and will bring you any new developments as they come to light.
  
  ENDS
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:26am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    UNITED STATES: Existing Home Sales Extend Plunge, Biggest Annual Drop Since 2014 | Zero Hedge
    
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-21/existing-home-sales-extend-plunge-december-nar-blames-inventory-not-rates
    
    After new- and existing-home sales tumbled in December, expectations were for a modest 0.5% rebound in January (despite plunging mortgage applications and soaring rates). But that did not happen as existing home sales tumbled 3.2% MoM to its lowest level since Aug 2016. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    Mortgage Applications Plunge Most Since 2015 As Rates Soar | Zero Hedge
    
    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-21/mortgage-applications-plunge-most-2015-rates-soar
    
    A week ago we highlighted the tumble in US mortgage applications, and things just got worser-er. As mortgage rates extend 4-year highs, home purchase applications plunged 15% in the last few weeks – the biggest drop since Feb 2015. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    Mortgage applications tank, as rising rates make homes less affordable … CNBC
    
    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/21/mortgage-applications-tank-as-rising-rates-make-homes-less-affordable.html
    
    •The numbers are getting uglier for potential homebuyers and homeowners looking to save some money.
    
    •Mortgage interest rates jumped again last week, causing mortgage application volume to fall 6.6 percent from the previous week.
    
    •Volume was just 3.5 percent higher than the same week one year ago, according to the Mortgage Bankers Association. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:49am
    - KevOB
      
      Your comment is valid. The USA is apparently unwinding its excessive credit levels. They can’t sustain their folly forever. Global interest rates must rise and asset prices drop. It’s only when, not if. We are connected to the rest of the world too.
      
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      February 24, 2018 11:03am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        KevinOB … Life will go on pretty much as normal in the … again normal … middle North American housing markets … as the others get the bubble value wiped out, because they set themselves up for a fall by strangling land supply in the first place.
        
        Finance (in all its forms) is simply the fuel. Go to my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org to the “Why the Demographia Housing Surveys are important … Hugh Pavletich explains’.
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:24am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        LEARNING FROM THE IRISH 2007 HOUSING CRASH … THE SEVERE COSTS OF MULTIPLE STRETCH …
        
        It’s high multiple lending that ‘does in’ the Banks and their customers … as they learned with the Irish housing bubble collapse in 2007.
        
        When the housing bubble burst there … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts exceeding 70 billion euro or about $NZ 109 billion (note interview with Prof Bill Black and others link below).
        
        Irish housing across its metros on average went from 4.7 times annual household income in 2007 to 2.8 a few years later … refer the schedule of Demographia Surveys at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        Australia is currently 5.9 times … New Zealand 5.8.
        
        What was the capital base of the Irish Banks in 2006 and 2007 ?
        
        If a 4.7 unweighted median multiple across its metros blew the Irish banks out of the water, how come the Australian and New Zealand ones are supposed to survive 5.9 and 5.8 respectively ?
        
        Following the bust, the Central Bank of Ireland found in subsequent research, it was high income multiple lending (more so than high loan to value lending) that did the most damage to the Irish Banks … and it imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times gross annual household incomes.
        
        A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times.
        
        In normal housing markets house prices should not exceed 3.0 times annual household income, requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times (Demographia Survey http://www.demographia.com ).
        
        Prof Bill Black & others discussing the Irish financial system performance may be of interest … Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
        
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        February 24, 2018 11:38am
      - Swifty
        
        It rubs the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again….
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:01pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        New Zealand’s most unaffordable urban area (see Demographia Survey http://www.demographia.com ) Tauranga’s Counil STILL doesn’t get it !
        
        It needs the same ‘treatment’ as Auckland (Councils should not be allowed to mess around with land supply) … see extract Labour Party policy at bottom …
        
        Developer says Tauranga ‘running out of land’ but mayor doesn’t want ‘free-for-all’ – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11994326
        
        Developers say city officials are not moving fast enough to free up land for development as one predicts Tauranga will run out of land in two years.
        
        But the mayor says he does not want a “development free-for-all” when the city is still trying to manage the impacts of rapid growth.
        
        Classic Builders director Peter Cooney said the time the council was taking to make zoning and consent decisions was driving up the cost of development, making it harder to deliver affordable homes. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
        
        … extract …
        
        Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
        
        Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:43pm
      - Swifty
        
        Put the lotion in the fucken basket!
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:54pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yes, it will, Precious, won’t it? It will get the hose! 😉
        
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        February 24, 2018 1:57pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Swifty – thank you. I lol’ed.
        
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        February 24, 2018 2:43pm
      - Swifty
        
        🙂
        
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        February 24, 2018 2:45pm
mikenmild

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
A couple of good interviews on RNZ this morning:
Austin Eubanks talking about recovery from addiction and school shootings.
Michael Mann talking about climate science and its denial.
Later on, Daniel Nocera on solar energy.
Both Mann and Nocera were talking at the Pacific Climate Change Conference in Wellington this week.
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February 24, 2018 9:47am
- artemisia
  
  I listened to most of the Mann interview. (I know, sad life.) I don’t mind too much either way about the issue but it was quite strange to hear a scientist describe everyone who disgreed with him as deficient in some way, or corrupt and in the pocket of Big lobby groups. Kim Hill did an OK job of maintaining some sort of balance but it was a losing battle as cherrypicking prevailed. Bigly.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:59am
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    He actually talked quite a bit about the difference between scientific discourse, scepticism (an essential part of that discourse) and denial. His emphasis on denial was pretty understandable, given that is the topic of his latest book, and the way that well-funded denialist groups have harassed him over the years.
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:17am
Harkman

The interesting thing about all these leftie babies and the media praise. I bet it would be far more sober and subdued if it was a National government. The Standard & Bomber Bradbury would be horrendously nasty about it but not a headline of condemnation of their comments would be heard/seen in our MSM.
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February 24, 2018 9:49am
Manolo

Will we see one of these flying over St Luke’s shopping mall?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/tech/shocked-woman-catches-camouflaged-drone-12076163

A woman living in Upper Hutt, New Zealand, was shocked after coming face-to-face with a drone outside her bedroom window.
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February 24, 2018 10:00am
- Swifty
  
  Heh
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:05am
- redqueen
  
  Lots of pictures of drones…none of the bird… 😉
  
  Oh wait, it’s the Mirror, not the Sun…
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:24am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , your point and the fact the complainant was a European ?
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/101667329/woman-comes-eye-to-eye-with-camouflaged-drone-peeping-in-her-bedroom-window
  
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  February 24, 2018 10:37am
  - redqueen
    
    Jack5, I found him!
    
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    February 24, 2018 10:42am
- VicParking
  
  Can’t be true as Hugh the only drone I know lives in CHCH.
  
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  February 24, 2018 12:36pm
Swifty

Islam stripped bare (short).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06MWCKbXb58

🙂
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February 24, 2018 10:47am
- starboard
  
  Fantastic ??
  
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  February 24, 2018 11:59am
- VicParking
  
  Where did they get the video of Stephie’s goat
  
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  February 24, 2018 12:39pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Drone outside the yard
    
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    February 24, 2018 1:15pm
kowtow

More TDS from left wing cuck.

‘Otago University student magazine Critic has banned the words ‘Donald Trump’ from its pages.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/otago-uni-mag-bans-trumps-name
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February 24, 2018 10:57am
- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha Critic still being run by Left Wing nerds then!
  The Otago Uni Capping Magazine from my day ‘Grope’ was way funnier..
  
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  February 24, 2018 11:02am
DigNap15

Here’s another short Youtube clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtN2gIKBHW8

This muslim girl says young muslims are sick of being told to integrate into Germany.
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February 24, 2018 11:12am
- GoVege
  
  I wonder what happens to Westerners who complain about being expected to integrate in Muslim countries?
  Oh..that’s right….nobody wants to go to Muslim countries for some reason. …
  
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  February 24, 2018 12:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  Dig Nap15 , the un identified blogger is entering ordinary alt right Islampaphobic territory in the tradition of Pamlela Geller and Rob Spencer ,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaCHLhGWBrUf7XdLH1tEiDA
  
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  February 24, 2018 1:01pm
Ross12

We have issues in our education system but we have a long way to go down before we catch up with parts of the USA

http://www.katc.com/story/37560947/student-investigated-after-allegedly-saying-a-math-symbol-looked-like-a-gun
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February 24, 2018 11:35am
Harriet

The left hate personal standards – just look at crime – the police do their job as the average prisoner whom is also maori, has 46 convictions before being jailed, yet Labour are calling for lessor sentences which will again excuse their poor behaviour – now look at the NZ army which is also full of young maori where poor personal behaviour is not excused, and you find very few coming before court marshals or serious disciplinary hearings. The NZ army is highly thought of, general male maori less so, how is that?
Little is going up against the police and clearly doesn’t have the support of the Army, or the public, it’s Little who has the low standards and it is also him who excuses it in others. What a fucken idiot.
It’s clearly time for a street protest on crime. ?
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February 24, 2018 11:40am
- mandk
  
  It’s also time for more schools like Vanguard.
  
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  February 24, 2018 12:38pm
- DigNap15
  
  You make some very good points.
  Maori like the discipline and camerderie of the army and the tradition.
  
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  February 24, 2018 12:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  harriet , simplistic hog wash !
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Apiata
  
  You organise a protest others than your keyboards and butt ??
  
  Joke !
  
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  February 24, 2018 1:05pm
Manolo

The U.S. economy is smoking:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/23/fed-sees-economy-past-full-employment-but-with-only-moderate-wage-gains.html

Federal Reserve policymakers see an economy that may be past full employment, financial market prices that are high and overall growth that continues to gather steam.
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February 24, 2018 11:55am
Manolo

A mysterious incompetent:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2018/02/23/the-first-rule-seeing-barack-obama-boston-don-talk-about-seeing-barack-obama-boston/oUdWt7BFDdOcC23egrEo2O/story.html

The former president was scheduled to appear at a sports analytics conference hosted by the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Friday. But if you were not an attendee at the event, don’t expect to hear much about what Barack Obama shared.

Officials managing the 12th annual MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference at the Boston Convention and Exhibition Center have put strict rules in place that extend beyond barring the media from divulging Obama’s insights.
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February 24, 2018 11:58am
flipper

I have been re -reading Herman Wouk’s War and Remembrance and last night came upon this reference to a Peters-Ardern, Regime-type government that is worth sharing in this General Debate :
” … Typically [like administrations] they are founded by extremists and fanatics, who come to power through conspiracy and crime. Once power is seized and the conspiracy becomes a government, these traits persist. As thieves tend to fall out, so totalitarians [like Peters, Ardern, Poofie, Shaw, and the bootlicking MSM] make poor allies.
Quite so, do you not think ????
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February 24, 2018 12:02pm
- stephieboy
  
  flipper , keep up the pretence of profound and deep thought processes .
  
  A useful reminder why alt right nutters like you will be forever remain on the lunatic fringe of our society .
  
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  February 24, 2018 1:09pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Do you realise how foolish and inappropriate your remark about alt-right nutters is in the context of a quote from Herman Wouk?
    
    Wake up and learn something about the World and the history of people who are striving for Justice and freedom from tyranny.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Wouk
    Wouk is 102 and has seen a bit.
    
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    February 24, 2018 3:00pm
UpandComer

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/966854507744374784

Lol look at this. The shitlibs caused the florida shooting
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February 24, 2018 12:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  UpandComer , caused the florida shooting ?
  
  How , what , when and how ?
  
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  February 24, 2018 1:14pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Because the cops had a deal with the school that no student crimes would be prosecuted in order to get more gibs money.
    
    As a result, students were able to commit all of the chain of causative actions leading to the event (if we accept it was students, when it wasn’t) with impunity, with the collaboration of organised crime and the local crying cops, 4 of whom, armed, stood down from intervening on the day of the shooting. Whether through cowardice or under orders.
    
    Mr Hogg is a travelling crisis salesman.
    
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    February 24, 2018 4:49pm
UpandComer

https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBouchell/status/966396341877342208

It was a false flag. The Clinton pedo network are getting lazy. At best this was caused by police corruption.
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February 24, 2018 12:15pm
- stephieboy
  
  False flag , rubbish !
  
  Pizzagate BS ?
  
  This helps us understand the situation ,
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnBouchell/status/966493712074379264/photo/1
  
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  February 24, 2018 1:15pm
  - UpandComer
    
    https://infogalactic.com/info/Operation_Northwoods
    
    The ZOG Zoidbergs have tried this before. The CIA wanted to engage in domestic terrorism against Americans over Cuba. Now they’re doing the same thing to disarm the population.
    
    Give us your guns. The cops can protect you lol, whilst four of them, armed, stood outside the school as the kids were killed. Four of them. Did nothing. Was it just the fact that US police have no constitutional requirement to protect life? Or they were under orders.
    
    So apparently this kid was able to move through 3 floors of classrooms in 6 minutes.
    
    Every day real journalists as opposed to the MSM vampire freaks look at this the more stupid and risible all the claims are.
    
    We still have video footage from Columbine. This was an NSA compound school.
    
    Where the fuck is the interior camera footage? If you want to get rid of the second amendment wouldn’t you show those images of a white (Jewish Hispanic) kid ruthlessly gunning down helpless children with his ‘assault rifle’.
    
    Stephieboy I wish you weren’t such a mentally ill individual.
    
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    February 24, 2018 5:33pm
    - stephieboy
      
      UpandComer,
      
      So called Operation Northwards easily debunked here,
      
      Is Operation Northwoods a hoax? [No, but it’s not an “Operation” Either]
      
      “Operation Northwoods wasn’t really an operation, it was a document. A 1962 report, a few pages long, suggesting a number of possible “false flag” operations that might be carried out in order to justify a US invasion of Cuba.
      
      The two important things to remember about Northwoods are:
      
      1) It was a series of preliminary proposals that never got even got to the initial planning stages.
      2) In none of the incidents were American citizens intended to be hurt or killed. Although there was the potential for Cuban nationals to be harmed, and of course any invasion of Cuba would likely cost hundreds or thousands of lives”…
      
      https://www.metabunk.org/is-operation-northwoods-a-hoax-no-but-its-not-an-operation-either.t9530/
      
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      February 24, 2018 5:50pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Bullshit. it was signed off by general “”Lemnitzer”” March 12, 1962. The only reason the events didn’t happen is they got caught.
        
        It was not ‘initial planning’ and of course they said that to avoid hanging for conspiracy to murder, you idiot.
        
        The veil is getting pretty thin these days.
        
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        February 24, 2018 6:31pm
Harriet

Here is a maths challenge to lighten the mood:

Ahmed has 3 lunch boxes.

He gives one to Rafiq and another to Hassan.

Can you calculate the radius of the explosion? 😎
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February 24, 2018 12:53pm
- cmm
  
  Correct answer: Who cares!
  
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  February 24, 2018 1:01pm
mandk

I wish we could have Matt. His cartoons are, without fail, very funny. And he doesn’t have to resort to being snide (like several of our prominent newspaper cartoonists).

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/23/prince-philip-leads-tributes-genius-telegraph-cartoonist-matt/

The story is well worth a read, too. I liked this bit best:
“Jeremy Corbyn, the Labour leader, was also invited to join the anniversary celebrations. His team politely declined, saying none of the Matt cartoons they had seen about Mr Corbyn were funny.”

As I was saying yesterday, why is it that lefties are completely humorous?
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February 24, 2018 1:01pm
- Harriet
  
  When I head out to work I think I’ll dress like a broad – seems that’s the easy way today to get on to the board, there’s always gonna be a glass ceiling – if you go to work and wanna talk about your feelings. 😎
  
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  February 24, 2018 1:29pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”When I head out to work I think I’ll dress like a broad”……
    
    The years of preparation & cross-dressing are finally going to pay off! 🙂
    
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    February 24, 2018 1:56pm
    - Johnboy
      
      “When I head out to work I think I’ll dress like a broad”
      You mean you’ve never headed out to work before Harriet?
      Fuck me nasska do you realise you and I have put in a century of work between us to keep Harriet in keyboards! 🙂
      
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      February 24, 2018 2:13pm
mandk

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/101738148/australian-ceo-wants-kiwi-transgender-weightlifter-laurel-hubbard-banned-from-commonwealth-games

Stuff initially ran this story with a comment facility, but this has now been removed.

I wonder why.

Actually, I don’t wonder why. I have no doubt it is because any reasonable person would recognise that Hubbard is clearly male, with male musculature and is, therefore, competing at an unfair advantage over real women.

But I’m not allowed to express that view on Stuff. It would upset the luvvies, snowflakes and pc-nazis.
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February 24, 2018 1:37pm
- Harriet
  
  He hasn’t come out complaining about the trans male who is going to play girls grade AFL. Hypocrite.
  
  Anyway the trans shouldn’t listen to the haters and bigots as I enjoy watching 1ookg males smashing and hurting 45kg females – that’s in the name of equality and fairness. 😎
  
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  February 24, 2018 2:13pm
  - mandk
    
    Funny, isn’t it, that we don’t have women transitioning to men (not possible, of course) and then demanding to be able to compete with real men.
    
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    February 24, 2018 2:21pm
All_on_Red

PERVWATCH
A division of Groperwatch
Today we look at one of Kiwiblogs Biggest Creeps.
Yes, it’s Ralph aka Stephieboy
This sleezy creep has had Strikes for linking to porn sites on KB.
Who has such a lack of judgement.
Yes, it’s STEPHIEBOY.
An admitted PERV who said this:
‘19,565 COMMENTS
stephieboy
Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire?
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‘Honeypots’!!!
And this;
Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
Thumb up 1 Thumb down 16REPLY REPORTDECEMBER 3, 2015 2:26

PERVWATCH is brought to you as a public service to out the creeps amongst us.
Stephieboy/Ralph is PERV #1
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February 24, 2018 2:16pm
- Johnboy
  
  I hope he never pops down to Wainui to check me out feeding my ewes! 🙂
  
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  February 24, 2018 2:19pm
- stephieboy
  
  All on Wed , keep up the infantilism and puerility that you easily excel at .
  
  Nor forgetting the usual assortment of red herrings !
  
  Thinking about groper watch you role model ,
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-sexual-assault-allegations-claims-women-how-many-groping-accused-us-president-a8091581.html
  
  LOL !
  
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  February 24, 2018 2:34pm
  - Swifty
    
    Did you really put porn links on KB?
    
    What of? Was it young Muslim girls with supple bodies and small but ample breasts?
    
    What sort of person would do that?
    
    Would you care to explain your behaviour?
    
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    February 24, 2018 2:43pm
    - nasska
      
      Ten minutes & no response Swifty.
      
      He’s probably off seeing if Oxfam are recruiting. ?
      
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      February 24, 2018 2:55pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yeah he did. Just look at the links on his Strike list in the Comments section. There’s links in his comments to porn sites.
      Plus, there’s the ongoing misogyny and cyber bullying.
      It’s amazing that such a proven creep has the chutzpah to stay on here without a hint of embarrassment.
      Ralph/Stephieboy embarrasses St Albans Church with his association too. Wonder if they have had any tip off yet. He’s such a little c*** I wouldn’t be surprised at him getting doxed.
      
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      February 24, 2018 2:59pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Pretty sure the links were to pictures of Melania Trump nude if my memory serves me correctly. He thought it was quite amusing. Typical left behaviour, attack the family of the person they hate.
      
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      February 24, 2018 3:43pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yeah, thanks ABS and AoR – I was on KB the day he did it.
        
        I’m just winding him up.
        
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        February 24, 2018 4:04pm
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS, frankly I thought it was quite amusing . Still do and interestingly I have no doubt the President had them all taken down .
        
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        February 24, 2018 5:52pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Yeah to be fair, it was the presidents daughter not wife, so that’s obviously not as bad.
        
        And it was a fake celebrity porn site, so y’know, no actual celebrities were actually harmed…
        
        Aye Stephie-hypocrite
        
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        February 24, 2018 9:10pm
- Longknives
  
  Jesus F Christ! I saw Stephieboy’s ‘Honeypot’ comment ages ago but never saw the ‘Young Girls with Ample Breasts’ one until now…
  Is this person someone who maybe the Police should be monitoring?
  
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  February 24, 2018 3:18pm
  - GoVege
    
    I think the cops are a wee bit too busy chasing robbers armed with …long knives for instance, than to be monitoring shoppers admiring the local talent, LK. 🙂
    (But you can dream on…)
    
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    February 24, 2018 3:44pm
    - Longknives
      
      Not concerned about Paedophiles bothering young girls at St Luke’s Mall then GoVege??
      Speaks volumes of the NZ Constabulary…
      
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      February 24, 2018 6:55pm
      - Swifty
        
        A constable would be well advised to check SB’s browser history….
        
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        February 24, 2018 7:20pm
      - GoVege
        
        Actually I’m aware of a few pedophiles being arrested at malls.
        They broke the cardinal rule :
        You can look but don’t touch.
        Ogling is not illegal yet LK. 🙂
        
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        February 25, 2018 12:17am
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives , No I t comes about by a poor loser named All on Red who can’t ,Marshall a rational argument in his bubble chamber of a head !
    
    But hey he still has a deluded vision of a 1900 mile Mexican wall !
    
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    February 24, 2018 5:54pm
    - Swifty
      
      Why did you post porn pics of a young lady?
      
      What is your malfunction?
      
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      February 24, 2018 6:25pm
      - redqueen
        
        You have to ask? 😛
        
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        February 24, 2018 6:26pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Meh, check out the creepy nutter perv playing deflection.
      No one believes it because your own words condemn you.
      And everyday you get shown up as a fool. Often by your own links ?
      It’s like you’re the local retard who doesn’t realise what they are.
      I laugh at you everyday.
      
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      February 24, 2018 7:28pm
All_on_Red

So the Police visited Cruz 18 times
A student called the dedicated FBI tip line to share concerns about Cruz
There was a Facebook video where Cruz stated a desire to shoot students
The on site armed Security Guard hid and didn’t engage Cruz
Three Broward County Deputies arrived at the High School but stayed outside and hid behind their cars.

What a spectacular failure of the system. Perhaps some attention should be put into fixing the system. None of the above would give anyone any confidence in being safe.
Not sure people will willingly give up their ability to protect themselves if they don’t think the system will.
Personally I think there needs to be;
Better background checks, including a personal interview.
Compulsary sharing of data from Police and Armed Forces about criminal activity to the FBI- that’s been an ongoing failure
Ban bump stocks- they’re stupid anyway
Bring back stop and search to help remove illegal weapons
Bring in a magazine size restriction like we have in NZ- make more than seven a different classification like they have for auto weapons- heavy vetting occurs for auto weapons
At the moment checks only occur (in a lot of States) for guns bought at a shop. This should be expanded to all sales.
If some teachers want concealed carry, that’s their call. Not sure that’s for everyone but allow the choice (The NRA do very good training schemes) but there’s no doubt Security and screening of students entering the schools needs to be improved.
Provide some detailed data of actual statistics. The gun debate seems rife with false information.
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February 24, 2018 2:53pm
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red , a list of weak pathetic excuses and ideas on behalf inept President of which he and his NRA cronies would find totally unacceptable
  
  But good on you for trying to pass the buck around !
  
  Makes things simple by having the same kind of gun restrictions such s we have here , in Australia , Singapore and Japan etc.
  
  Look no mass or school shootings and the need for the extraneous rubbish you’re suggesting
  
  DUH !
  
  Are you that thick ?
  
  LOL
  
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  February 24, 2018 6:01pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Ahh crap! Sorry KB community!
    
    I upticked this here fool by mistake!
    
    See ya tomozz Stephie-server
    
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    February 24, 2018 6:21pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Poor Stephie/Frank
    Outed as a creep and now gets all stalky and angry.
    Hey, imagine how Church life would be if they knew about you.
    Would you like that to happen?
    Maybe you should stfu PERVERT #1
    
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    February 24, 2018 7:23pm
  - DigNap15
    
    No we will need our guns to protect ourselves from some of your relatives in the future.
    
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    February 24, 2018 8:00pm
- DigNap15
  
  @All on Red
  
  Very well put.
  Apparently if you are recorded as being mental in one state, you can go to another state and buy a gun there.
  The NRA are pushing for changes there.
  And If the police visited him even once or twice why did not they take his guns away?
  Why does any 18 year old need assault rifles anyway?
  
  Its a bit like that guy who killed two people in NZ who were inspecting his house last year. The police had visited him a few times and did nothing.
  
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  February 24, 2018 7:59pm
- UpandComer
  
  The system works. Assuming everything I’m the false narrative was true, the kid was flagged, dozens of times. It was all perfectly certain what would happen. And the FBI and the local.cops did nothing, they actually facilitated it.
  
  What they did do is without any rationale kidnap the guys little.brotjer and throw him into some deep state hell hole, before he could talk.
  
  Now theyre demolishing the school and not releasing the interior videos.
  
  The system works. The FBI and the police are the culprits. Mental illness is a bullshit term that will be extended on time to include evidence of conservative viewpoints and the second amendment is gone.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:09pm
kowtow

“We are constantly upgrading boarder security, we have an identity services group which continually look at information that is supplied to Immigration and comparing it with data that we already hold which can pick up people with two identities.’

Boarder ? Well fuck me , a journalist who can’t spell , even worse , can’t transcribe from the source , which did get it right!

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/rnz/nearly-200-illegal-malaysian-workers-deported
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February 24, 2018 3:21pm
- sooty
  
  Trained and skilled!
  
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  February 25, 2018 5:23am
Longknives

Look it’s a Free World (Well it is until the Muslims take over but that’s another discussion)
But this ‘Laurel’ Hubbard thing pisses me off.
If ‘Laurel’ wants to dress as a little girl and wear pigtails or whatever that’s cool (so long as he isn’t hurting anyone else)
He/She/Whatever is free to do as they please for whatever Mental Health reason/Sexual thrill/Whatever…
But don’t fucking ruin The Commonwealth Games with your bullshit- This person has a freaking massive physical advantage over the female competition and this carry-on (Caster Semenya as well of course ) is likely the ruin of women’s sport.
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February 24, 2018 3:24pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  I doubt ruining the Commonwealth Games is possible.
  
  It is at best an assembly of third-rate athletes with nothing in common from (mainly) countries with no wealth.
  
  Perhaps simply banning any gender discrimination in all sports would help.
  
  May the best man/woman/thing win.
  
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  February 24, 2018 4:57pm
- mandk
  
  Caster Semenya is the way she was born.
  
  ‘Laurel’ Hubbard is pretending to be something he is not.
  
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  February 24, 2018 5:34pm
  - Longknives
    
    Caster Semenya is married to a Woman and lives ‘her’ day to day life as a Man.
    You are being taken for a ride…
    
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    February 24, 2018 5:52pm
    - mandk
      
      Doesn’t alter the fact that she is the way she was born.
      Unlike Hubbard.
      
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      February 24, 2018 6:07pm
      - Longknives
        
        Caster Semenya is a man.
        Always has been- Always will be.
        
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        February 24, 2018 6:51pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  If Laurel Hubbard is allowed to compete as a woman all those Eastern European shot putters and weight lifters who were sex tested in the 70s and 80s to ensure they were females are owed an apology and compensation.
  
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  February 24, 2018 9:31pm
DigNap15

Yes I hope the Aussies ban him. He is a disgrace.
(I feel sorry for him if he really fees he is a girl, but just leave it at that).
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February 24, 2018 4:55pm
sooty

Easy to stop IT at the border and send it home.
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February 24, 2018 5:05pm
Johnboy

Hey Trumpie’s on to it…arm the teechers! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/101742237/majority-of-us-now-think-trumps-a-good-president-yes-you-read-that-right
Where are you on this one Bill? 🙂
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February 24, 2018 7:07pm
DigNap15

Yes, H’es standing up to all the left wing bullshit and hate.
And he starting to win.
Make America Great Again.
Lock Her Up
Drain The Swamp
No more aid to the UN.
No more Chain Immigration.
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February 24, 2018 7:53pm
Viking2

Here ya go stephie girl.

President Putin release the names of the Russian spies who influenced the US election.

https://www.facebook.com/Trump4POTUS2020/photos/a.1416155601828505.1073741828.1416110611833004/1440192206091511/?type=3&theater
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February 24, 2018 8:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  Viking Queen ,
  
  From your link,
  
  “Aric Van de Groenekan Crazy how many morons on here believe this ??? Trump supporters are actual comedy. I support your right to be ignorant!”
  
  Your right to be an ignoramus and a moron immortalised !
  
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