General Debate 19 February 2018

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Maggy Wassilieff

A National MP gets a decent write up
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11996641
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February 19, 2018 8:03am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Just read this. That poor guy. Something similar happened to me a few years back. Sucker punched from behind, two fractures in my eye socket, two fractures in my right sinus. Fortunately I stayed on my feet and was able to deal with my attacker, who had king hit me as I was restraining another drunk dickhead who had just tried to punch me in the head. I was working front of house at the Auckland Greyhound Club at the time.
  
  Later on in the waiting room at the hospital, I was asked by the nurse if anyone had warned me to not sneeze. I asked, half jokingly, “Why, will my eye fly out if I do?” She said “Yeah, probably!”
  
  I didn’t sneeze!
  
  The right side of my face still goes numb every time I have a cold, and I get a sinus infection up there about twice a year.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:13am
  - GazzaW
    
    Have the police got your assailant RoW?
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:18am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Yep, the little shit that started it all as well. His lawyer called me and offered a $5,000 reparation payment as part of a plea deal. I countered with mandatory anger management, community service, and $10,000.
      
      HE PAID IT!
      
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      February 19, 2018 8:40am
      - srylands
        
        It is absurd that he wasn’t sent to prison.
        
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        February 19, 2018 8:45am
      - GoVege
        
        Wonder who pays the tens of thousands for the skilled surgeons to repair the damage, nurses, hospital stay, rehabilitation, ACC etc as well?
        Not the violent thugs, I’m sure.
        
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        February 19, 2018 2:08pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Fucking hell mate.
    But this is NZ where drunk assault means nothing.
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:19am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The article above was the first time in NZ I’d seen the MSM using sucker punch or Coward’s punch in preference to the term King Hit.
    
    Aussie MSM has been labelling these attacks as Coward’s punches for years.
    
    Time to stop glorifying the cowards, and let everyone see what they really are – pathetic goons.
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:30am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Matt King played lock for the Blues I believe. A good kiwi bloke I hear.
      
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      February 19, 2018 8:50am
      - KiWombat
        
        This single event probably qualifies as “The King Hit” given the name of the prime witness, but agree it would send the wrong message
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:29am
    - kowtow
      
      It’s also time judges sent the cowards away for very long periods.
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:22am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I had a look at the bill and while I strongly support it I think that it should also be about where a cowards punch does not cause death but serious injury.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:24am
  - fernglas
    
    Where it causes death it is manslaughter already. There is currently a plethora of offences covering assaults of all degrees where death does not ensue. The nature of the attack can be taken into account both in determining the proper charge and as an aggravating feature on sentencing. So why pass yet another law? How do you define a “coward’s punch”? Lawyers will love it, judges will hate it. Waste of time.
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:36am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Perhaps a targeted law highlighting the Cowards Punch will help stop those idiots who indulge in hitting unsuspecting victims.
      
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      February 19, 2018 8:53am
    - KevOB
      
      I agree. The police have charging choices. A lot of criminal cases have adequate proof problems. An injury is not its own proof of cause.
      
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      February 19, 2018 10:15am
    - backster
      
      Fernglas Maybe you will change your mind if you get kinghit
      
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      February 19, 2018 10:22am
      - fernglas
        
        It just seems to me that legislation is overused as a mechanism to bring about social change. To stop people smacking their kids, we needed a law. To promote gender equality we need laws. To promote racial equality we need laws. The thinking is that by passing a law we are signalling that certain conduct is unacceptable. However, if there are laws already in place that cover the conduct, why pass new ones? Tell me how you would legally define a “coward’s punch” for the purposes of criminal legislation, and I will tell you flaws that a competent defence lawyer would exploit to make the law difficult to enforce.
        
        PS I have been “kinghit” twice, both times by young drunk kids whose aim was off, fortunately for me.
        
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        February 19, 2018 10:40am
      - wombatge
        
        Whilst we are talking about violent thugs.
        Another one that comes to mind is Ben Stokes.
        It now comes apparent that this overpaid spoilt brat will never play cricket again in Australia.
        He is on a charge of affray which can attract three years imprisonment in the UK.
        On this charge, He would fail New Zealand’s immigration character test by a long shot, anything over 12 months is grounds for refusal of visa.
        Of course, Ben Stokes and the ECB can circumnavigate this as he is a dual citizen.
        What he cannot do is change the law in Australia. He can pray Labor changes their stance to thugs.
        The ECB appear to be a pack of fools in this matter.
        If he was the greatest cricketer on earth, there is no excuse for his off ground behaviour.
        People wanting his autograph makes me sick.
        As for the cowards punch, NZ really does own it, just look at the numbers headed back to the long white cloud on a one way ticket.
        Call it for what it is, gutless violence.
        
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        February 19, 2018 11:20am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Maybe you will change your mind if you get kinghit
        
        “Cowards punch” or attack is the right term for these highly aggressive thugs.
        
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        February 19, 2018 11:31am
      - GoVege
        
        Fernglas: there weren’t laws in place to protect kids from being beaten.
        That’s why they brought in the euphemistically called “anti-smacking law”.
        Previously it was legal to use “reasonable force” to discipline your child.
        
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        February 19, 2018 2:11pm
- Jack5
  
  Yep, time to toughen up on the coward-thugs who punch like this.
  
  We used to call it a “king hit,” but a “coward’s punch” is a more appropriate name.
  
  Victims don’t get a chance to brace before hitting the ground,and many crash their heads on concrete or bitumen or something-else hard.
  
  I know of a strong young Christchurch guy, a security guard, waiting to join the NSW police after being accepted, at a quiet work gathering in a Sydney pub.
  
  He politely asked three annoying rowdies nearby to tone it down.
  
  An hour or more later, as he was walking out of the bar, he was king hit from behind, and died from head injuries suffered when his head hit a floor fixture.
  
  Being Australia, the hitter went to prison, but for nowhere long enough.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:29am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I have been thinking;how long is it since we have seen a piece in granny Herald praising a National Party MP?
  This is the bloke who took on one of NZ’s best known Maori and beat him in the constituency. I wrote on this blog eleven months ago about how hard King had been campaigning; he was all over Northland; I saw him at the Paparoa Show, Waitangi on the 6th then the following month at Mangunu church and the Paihia Dog swimming races. The only time I had seen Winnie was at Ellerslie on Cup Day.
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:48am
Right of way is Way of Right

Julie Ann Genter and Jacinda Ardern both expecting! Great news, but sadly, this is the only actual evidence of this coalition being in any way productive!
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February 19, 2018 8:03am
- RalphT
  
  But isn’t this the way we all predicted the coalition would end up; lots of tears and shit everywhere?
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:05am
- CHFR1
  
  Yes and now queue the virtue signaling of how progressing our government is.
  Jacinda’s pregnancy came up with a group of women I was with on Friday. Once I pointed out how amazing it is Jacinda seems to think she can only take 6 weeks one woman sighed and said “she is one C-section or bout of PND away from realising how hard motherhood actually is”. I am predicting Andrew Little will be Labour leader again by years end, wether he is PM will depend on Winston.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:07am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Rather have Andrew than Kelvin, but that’s not saying much for either of them, and I’d rather have Carmel Sepuloni than Winston!
    
    I’m wondering how Ardern with PND would go against Collins going through menopause! Pass the popcorn!
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:15am
    - CHFR1
      
      Don’t believe all you hear about menopause, not all of us turn into screaming harpies.
      
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      February 19, 2018 8:33am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep, frees up your life, no end.
        
        But hey, it’s a great thing to throw out at a “mature woman” in a debate/discussion, isn’t it?
        
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        February 19, 2018 8:39am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        My late wife hated it – turned into a shaking shivering emotional mess, tears one moment, screaming harridan the next. It was just awful.
        
        And The Blond is the opposite. Will tear up, but then get incredibly cuddly and loving, after a short length of time of quiet sadness.
        
        Thank fuck Im a male is all I can say, you can keep your friggen menopause.
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:36am
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        I’m in a unique position to comment. I recently completed three years of androgen deprivation chemotherapy for prostate cancer, and the side effects were described to me as being very similar to menopause. Hot flashes, sweating, emotional instability, weight gain, depression, loss of libido, the whole nine yards. Fuzzy brain as well, fatigue, AND insomnia (There’s a combination from hell!).
        
        Ended up that my wife and I went through ‘menopause’ at the same time!
        
        I’m quite prepared to say that she handled it much better than I did!
        
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        February 19, 2018 10:08am
    - Jaywalk
      
      Collins is 58, well past menopause. No issues with shifting hormones at all.
      
      Whereas if the Nation’s Child has colic or reflux we’ll find mummy just might struggle a bit, if they come back at all.
      
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      February 19, 2018 8:36am
  - Happychappy
    
    Look I realize most people in labour are not the full quid but for them to throw away a winning formular to bring back angry Andrew well I have to say that would be Political suicide and really Labour is not that stupid.
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:06am
    - KiWombat
      
      Yes but there can be only so many babies
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:32am
- kowtow
  
  Productive ?
  
  I thought the Greens were against that sort of thing , too many ‘umans using up too few resources and all that.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:08am
  - DigNap15
    
    Well they need to go to Africa and the middle east.
    They are breeding like rabbits there and swamping the world.
    Making more desert.
    Taking up food aid.
    Invading Europe
    Causing wars year on year
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:16am
- Paulus
  
  Why cannot Judith or Amy have baby – that’s the media winner every time and get rid of their husband as they are not part of the baggage.
  More bastards the better today.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:13am
  - igm
    
    Yes a couple more b/stards brewing now!
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:42am
- G152
  
  Now they’re working on the country.We’ll all be stuffed
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:26am
- KevOB
  
  Will the babies in the playpen behind the Hansard desk have proxy voting rights too?
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:16am
  - Piniwi
    
    What KevOB no way. They are bad enough when they start screaming for more tit. They are turning the House into a circus.
    
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    February 20, 2018 1:48am
Milhous

Rewriting the rules on using political leverage for financial gain.

If this had been Clinton, or Obama or Blair or Key….those that adhere to the cult of Trump would be apoplectic with spittle flecked rage.

Access to the first family should not be for sale . Particularly for a the financial benefit of a company the President still owns.

This is corruption. And sets an awful precedent for future leaders of ANY stripe in the Whitehouse.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/18/dinner-with-donald-trump-jr-offered-to-indias-keen-investors
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February 19, 2018 8:06am
- Simon
  
  Bill Clinton is a rapist
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:09am
  - Milhous
    
    So. I can’t stand Bill Clinton. He should of been impeached .
    
    How does this preclude Trump being corrupt??
    
    In fact, Trump is corrupt and also appears to have a strong interest in sexual violation of women.
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:15am
  - fernglas
    
    And that somehow excuses Trump being corrupt? I never thought that it should come down to a question of whether my preferred leader of the western world is less of a criminal, or a different type of criminal, than yours.
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:17am
  - doggone7
    
    What happened when he appeared in court?
    What was the defence case?
    How did he take the finding of the jury that he was guilty of rape?
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:17am
    - dime
      
      how much money did the clintons pay out in settlements?
      
      do peope who go against the clintons ever die in strange accidents?
      
      how come women who accused billy boy state the same thing – he almost bit off their bottom lip… but they had never met each other
      
      what happened when billy was in the UK?
      
      so many questions.. but im sure hes lovely.
      
      also, hillary isnt a very sick lady haha
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:48am
  - Gabby
    
    So you agree the Chump is corrupt Semon.
    
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    February 19, 2018 12:39pm
- flipper
  
  Sources?
  a. “Guardian’ (sic)
  
  b. Milhous
  
  Credibility?
  ZERO !
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:26am
  - stephieboy
    
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    flipper , now , now again and again , MSM Guardian has shown to consistently more reliable , objective and fair minded than alt right media .
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:00am
    - GazzaW
      
      stephie’s arrived FWP. You can sign off now.
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:42am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Sure – but even a broken clock is right twice a day.
      
      And most days, that’s a stat that is beyond the hacks in the Guardian.
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:52am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Stephie – the only thing the Guardian is reliable about is its espousement of a left wing narrative.
      
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      February 19, 2018 11:12am
    - Nermal
      
      So today , it’s the Stephie who puts a space before the comma ,
      
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      February 19, 2018 12:51pm
  - Gabby
    
    frigger
    
    Logic?
    Zero!!!
    
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    February 19, 2018 12:40pm
- cmm
  
  “If this had been Clinton,”
  
  You mean like Bill Clinton getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for thirty minute speeches to foreigners?
  
  I know he’s an inspirational speaker, but funny how the business dried up after his missus no longer has influence.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:47am
  - Harkman
    
    See the deal they did to sell the Russians America’s uranium supply.
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:27am
    - cmm
      
      Naah impossible. It must be fake news.
      
      I’m sure it was just a receipt for Russian caviar they ordered for Chelsea’s wedding and there was a bit of a translation error when the alt-right media reported it.
      
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      February 19, 2018 10:18am
      - Harkman
        
        And who paid for Chelsea’s $3-5m wedding? The Clinton Foundation of course (with dirty laundered money).
        
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        February 19, 2018 10:39am
  - dime
    
    lol its like billy lost his voice!
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:48am
  - Gabby
    
    Wed you get the odder the business has drod up cmmiebokkie?
    
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    February 19, 2018 12:41pm
  - Piniwi
    
    But cmm he has been trumped by old Hillary who you can get to see in NZ for a modest $195. What a pair and seem to deserve each other.
    
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    February 20, 2018 1:52am
- Inandout
  
  The Guardian..nuff said.
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:11am
- All_on_Red
  
  So Donald Jr is CEO of the company building apartment towers in India and its being offered to buyers that they meet him to have dinner and discuss the Project and the Apartments.
  Meeting the developer is quite usual.
  But you spin this to be corruption…
  You are mental.
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:41am
  - Gabby
    
    Pay to play eh wot All Weird.
    
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    February 19, 2018 12:42pm
Manolo

Too much time chasing Trump instead of killers and criminals?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pressure-on-fbi-mounts-after-failure-to-pursue-tip-on-florida-suspect/

The revelation that the FBI botched a potentially life-saving tip on the Florida school shooting suspect is a devastating blow to America’s top law enforcement agency at a time when it is already under extraordinary political pressure.
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February 19, 2018 8:07am
- Milhous
  
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  Yeah, because a foreign power actively interfered with their democratic process at exactly the same time Trumps surrogates where courting Russians AND Trump was vigiurously humping Putin’s leg like a randy puppy is SOOO, nothing to worry about!
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:14am
  - Andrei
    
    Don’t be ridiculous Milhous – American polics is pathological and the FBI has been a player and contributer to this pathology since the 1930s.
    
    The mana of the FBI is at a low ebb, the Sundays talk shows would have been dominated by their failures in Florida so they produce that absurd indictment playing on American’s suscpicion of Russia and thereby changed the subject
    
    If you seriously believe that 13 people in St Petersburg most of whom have never set foot in the USA in their lives can organize political rallies there with tweets and facebook posts you are clearly not particularly bright
    
    And that is the thing Americans are not particularly bright for the most part
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:56am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    If 13 Russians trolling is making your head explode, you must need sedation to be able to handle the thought of the massive interference perpetrated by the Mexican government. After all they have millions of Mexican illegal immigrants voting for every passing democrat.
    
    Oh yes, I forgot, it’s OK when the left do it!
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:55am
  - All_on_Red
    
    VP of Ads for Facebook Rob Goldman has stated a majority of the Russian interference via Facebook occurred AFTER the election and swaying the outcome of the presidential race was not the main goal.
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/02/17/facebook-vp-of-ads-slams-media-coverage-of-russian-interference-n2450722
    Your comment about Trump and Putin is so dumb I’m (almost) embarrassed for you.
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:08am
  - 4077th
    
    I’m surprised you can muster the energy to roll over to your keyboard after consuming so much cool aid!
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:38am
- fernglas
  
  It’s a bit like saying that the Christchurch Police failed to follow up on a domestic violence allegation because the Auckland Fraud Squad was too busy investigating a mortgage fraud. But logic is never a strong suit in American politics
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:23am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s a bit like our media are obsessed with Trump and Putin and deliberately ignoring the wolf at our door.
    
    ‘A prominent Christchurch China watcher is neither surprised nor intimidated by multiple break-ins she believes are connected to her work exposing the emerging superpower’s influence campaigns.’
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101499837/christchurch-academic-links-breakins-to-work-on-chinas-influence-campaigns
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      kowtow , which of our media did you get that story from ?
      
      LOL
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:21am
- Gabby
  
  What a sack of manuro right? Like the FBfreakinI can only manage one investigation at a time.
  
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  February 19, 2018 12:43pm
holysheet

On the AM show this morning, Duncan was interviewing a man on the use of a defibrillator. Duncan asked Ruby lips what the first thing she would do if he keeled over right now.
I turned to Mrs Holy and said “hide the defibrillator”?
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February 19, 2018 8:08am
- cmm
  
  Holy, you watch that crap?
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:49am
  - Inandout
    
    For a 20 minute watch Garner is so much better than TV1.
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:14am
    - 4077th
      
      Indeed, your only other choice is that fucking air-head Holt and Little Tame Jack. How that moron (Holt) ever got that prime time spot is beyond me. Bring back Paul Henry and Pippa. I guess is demonstrates quite clearly the lack of talent in the industry as a whole.
      
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      February 19, 2018 10:45am
      - Gabby
        
        Back in the 8063rd we had a Dickshit but he got sent off to the other outfit for a lobotomy.
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:49pm
      - cmm
        
        How about the other choice:
        
        “click”
        
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        February 19, 2018 1:01pm
Manolo

He should win on that platform alone:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/hungarys-orban-calls-global-anti-migrant-alliance-eye-172952366–business.html

Hungarian leader Viktor Orban called on Sunday for a global alliance against migration as his right-wing populist Fidesz party began campaigning for an April 8 election in which it is expected to win a third consecutive landslide victory.

Popular at home but increasingly at odds politically and economically with mainstream European Union peers, Orban has thrived on external controversy, including repeated clashes with Brussels and lately the United Nations.
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February 19, 2018 8:09am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes he is my hero, when he speaks he is very calm and measured.
  
  Good to see that some other countries are with him.
  Slovakia, Poland, Czech Republic and maybe Austria and Italy soon.
  Israel and Myanmar are pushing them into the sea!
  
  But the thing is that many European “leaders” don’t think there is anything wrong with the african, muslim invasion.
  
  And I have seen quite a few bankers and economists say that the world needs to do away with all its borders!
  
  Are they fucking mad?
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:25am
  - MCos
    
    Dig men
    
    Do you have any idea what’s going on in Myamar?
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:39am
    - Inandout
      
      Used to have a poetic name like Burma.
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:16am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Better not do “The Road to Mandalay”
        https://www.theguardian.com/politics/video/2017/sep/30/boris-johnson-caught-on-camera-reciting-kipling-poem-in-burmese-temple-video
        
        How about some Orwell, this morning?
        
        Poem From Burma
        Brush your teeth up and down, brother,
        Oh, brush them up and down!
        All the folks in London Town
        Brush their teeth right up and down.
        Oh! How they shine!
        Aren’t they bloody fine?
        Night and morning, my brother,
        Oh brush them up and down!
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:33am
    - Dave Mann
      
      The Muslim Rohingyas are being mercilessly persecuted by the mainly Buddhist Burmese after years of ongoing clashes between their security forces and Rohingya militants.
      
      These Muslims (ethnically Indian not Burmese) arrived from what is now Muslim Bangladesh during and after Britain ruled the place and they never made any attempt to integrate. They have their own language and they mostly refuse to learn Burmese and yet they continually agitate for citizenship rights and privileges from Myanmar, a country that insists on language as one of the main requirements for citizenship.
      
      Myanmar has seen what happens when societies are invaded by Muslims and they are acting to defend their country by dealing harshly to their militants and telling them basically to fuck off back to Bangladesh where they originated from. Similar to the ‘Palestinians’ who have been used as a political football by their Arab neighbors for decades, the lovely Bangladeshis don’t want to help their fellow Muslims or let them in and the other Muslim countries like Indonesia and Malaysia won’t help either, preferring to use them as propaganda/media darling/victims instead.
      
      Rohingya terrorist attacks seem to have been largely confined to Rakhine state due to the efficiency of Myanmar’s security forces and this is one of the few examples of the followers of Mohammed not being terribly successful in their jihad.
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:28am
      - MCos
        
        That’s one version of the situation.
        A far more comprehensive history of the Rohingya people can be found in the Al Jeezera link.
        Anyone who knows anything about that wretched country will have heard of other ethnic groups who have been persecuted by the military government over the years. Thousands are in refugee camps on the Thai side of the border.
        We once came across one such group living a pitiful existence while driving out in the styx. They can’t work, can’t go to school, can’t get an i.d. card, couldn’t talk Thai, exploited like zoo animals at a nearby show market, can’t go anywhere . . .
        
        http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/08/rohingya-muslims-170831065142812.html
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:54am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        So basically Myanmar is Wakanda, the Rohingyas are the evil invaders and Black Panther is dealing to the mentally deranged death cult followers?
        
        The problem is – they’re muslims – you know the cult that encourages their young to blow up girls at pop concerts or drive buses through crowds of children on Bastille day or who think it’s sane to shoot cartoonists.
        
        When they start caring about the sanctity of life and rooting out the evil within their cult then I will, till then meh!
        
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        February 19, 2018 10:00am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Nope but most of know what’s going on in Myanmar though.
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:56am
    - Nermal
      
      I suspect the Bangladeshi Muslims are being encouraged to go back to their own shithole. Am I right?
      
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      February 19, 2018 12:53pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yes
        
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        February 19, 2018 10:03pm
  - fernglas
    
    Changed the old handle Dig?
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:41am
    - sam green
      
      Yes – he doesn’t want anyone to know he’s gay.
      
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      February 19, 2018 1:11pm
  - dime
    
    bankers and bug usiness love cheap labour.
    
    keep the wages down, more profits for them
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:50am
Simon

It’s the Trump matrix.
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February 19, 2018 8:10am
kowtow

The media is a funny beast , one moment it’s Weistein this and hashtag metoo that and yet this sort of carry on is reported without any Puritanical , modern witch hunt judgementalism …..

After all boys , girls will be girls and they love a rich guy with a reputation.

‘She said she had “a slightly inappropriate sign” — an explicit proposition to Williams — she often held at his concerts.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/risque-sign-does-trick-‘massive-robbie-fan’
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February 19, 2018 8:11am
- Dave Mann
  
  Poor woman doesn’t have anything better to do with her life than follow a singer around the world waving signs at him at his concerts. Sad.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:25am
skyblue

Chloe Swarbrick has a special announcement today. Apprently she is going to announce that she is mensturating.
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February 19, 2018 8:11am
- holysheet
  
  She has decided to join the religion of peace. Mensturating will be the least of her problems.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:16am
- kowtow
  
  Haha , oh dear , you started it.
  
  Chris Hipkins has a special announcement today.
  
  He’s going to announce his voice has broken.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:21am
  - sooty
    
    Robbo says he’s pregnant and due to give birth to half a dozen mince and cheese pies
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:34am
    - GazzaW
      
      Excellent sooty!!
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:47am
  - mandk
    
    James Shaw wants to announce that his testicles have dropped, but he needs to postpone because it hasn’t happened yet.
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:43am
    - VicParking
      
      Mummy’s have one each in a pendent round there necks
      
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      February 19, 2018 10:23am
- KevOB
  
  Men stirring.
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:25am
oldpark

Now it is World Vision working hand in hand with Oxfam or is it Oxcam who have been exposed as sex predators trading sex for food. Or is it food for sex.
Save the Children” what a headline .Is that for the charities sex predators.
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February 19, 2018 8:15am
kowtow

As the shooter wasn’t a white male and the victims weren’t blacks in a former “slave” state , I don’t expect much reaction to this at all. There certainly won’t be an international outcry over symbols of Islamic superiority over oppressed minorities.

‘Five women were shot dead in an apparent Islamist attack on an Orthodox church in Russia’s North Caucasus region of Dagestan on Sunday.’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/18/five-people-killed-in-dagestan-church-shooting
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February 19, 2018 8:24am
- DigNap15
  
  Yes Christian lives don’t matter.
  
  I hope Putin goes in and gives them a taste of decimation.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:28am
- EAD_TWO
  
  As the shooter wasn’t a white male and the victims weren’t blacks
  
  But the Florida shooters full name is “Nikolas Jesus Cruz” and just about all his victims were White.
  
  Cruz is Hispanic but that is not something the MSM cares about when it comes to creating a narrative to serve their purpose.
  
  Same thing they did in the Trayvon Martin case when the half Jewish, half Hispanic George Zimmerman was magically metamorphosed into a WASP by the people who control the MSM.
  
  This of course is the same MSM that when counting victims of crime, counts Hispanics as “coloured” but when it comes to counting the Perpetrators of crime, counts them as “White”.
  
  Wake up folks.
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:12am
  - fernglas
    
    Cruz is adopted, and seems to have identified as white.
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:54am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      If I “identify” as a one legged Lesbian Somalian it doesn’t make me so.
      
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      February 19, 2018 11:22am
      - fernglas
        
        The point is you have no idea whether he’s Hispanic genetically or not. You assume from his name that he is, but that means nothing. I’ve met any number of genetic Slavs in this country who go by English surnames, because that’s the name of their adoptive parents. Saying he’s ethnically Hispanic because his name is, is about as logical as you saying you are a one legged etc.
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:02pm
- Andrei
  
  The Boston bombers came from Dagestan
  
  The FSB warned the FBI about Tamerlan Tsarnev but just as in the case of the Florida school shooter the FBI ignored the warning
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:29am
jp_1983

With all of these pregnancy announcements, we just need someone from National to announce they are transitioning genders.
That will certainly one up them all.
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February 19, 2018 8:25am
- holysheet
  
  Amy Adams has said she wants to be “progressive”.
  Will that do?
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:27am
  - DigNap15
    
    So why doesn’t she join the Labour Pardy!
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:28am
  - Manolo
    
    Go and join the socialist Labour Party, Mrs Adams. “Progressivism” will not do.
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:05am
- kowtow
  
  I thought they had already transitioned , to Labour Lite.
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:03am
  - Manolo
    
    Yes, they have. The transition is almost complete. The hue of red is almost identical.
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:07am
VicParking

The failing newspaper today took great store in mentioning the Clinton won the popular vote by 3+ million and this somehow made Trumps win not really legitimate. Jacinda lost the popular vote to Bill but of course its different if the left win. I also notice that the paper has stopped referencing what American left news source they copied their articles from. Too many people are fact checking their copy and pointing out the minor changes they make to sensationalise their articles. i.e. “No, there haven’t been 18 school shootings in 2018. That number is flat wrong.” Their retraction hidden away in another article.
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February 19, 2018 8:26am
DigNap15

We need to keep embarrassing the shit out of the Herald!
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February 19, 2018 8:30am
- sooty
  
  Why? They can do it quite nicely all by themselves!
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:36am
- doggone7
  
  No, if you were serious you need to stop reading it.
  
  Their lack of control is no different than that of those who can’t stop themselves reading it.
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:20am
- Nermal
  
  That’s not fun any more, like shooting ducklings in a bath
  
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  February 19, 2018 12:59pm
Manolo

Isn’t my religion great? Welcome to the 19th century, shouts our resident Muslim:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-women-start-own-busines-without-male-permission-105326712.html

Women in Saudi Arabia can now open their own businesses without the consent of a husband or male relative, as the kingdom pushes to expand a fast-growing private sector.

The policy change, announced by the Saudi government on Thursday, also marks a major step away from the strict guardianship system that has ruled the country for decades.
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February 19, 2018 8:34am
- DigNap15
  
  The Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia is trying to modernise and free up the country.
  He has to move very slowly.
  Otherwise the Wahabi sect which think they run the country will step in and remove him, like they did to his grandfathers etc.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:38am
- sooty
  
  Here’s a top seller for them. They could sew normal clothes over the top of their bin liners. Very styley, and keep up with fashion. You know the clothes they wore only 20yrs ago.
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:40am
  - DigNap15
    
    Yes, I saw a clip on Al Jazeera the other day of some mothers in a maternity ward in some Arab country (Yemen) I think.
    There were women in full black burkas in maternity cots with their babies.
    It looked so scary.
    It really is unnatural and barbaric, and archaic.
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:46am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Bin liners…. what a great description! Better and more punchy than woman-in-a-bag! May I use it? 😀
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:35am
    - MH
      
      i prefer mobile post boxes.
      
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      February 19, 2018 4:06pm
DigNap15

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11996641

This new King Hit bill is useless, as its only for cases where the victim dies!

It should be for all random punches.

People should be able to go out for a good time without having to worry about angry thugs.
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February 19, 2018 8:35am
EAD_TWO

First we had the “cheddar man” but has anyone else noted the complete re-writing of history and non-stop fawning over the movie “Black Panther”?

The past few days Stuff has given us the following nonsense:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/101532036/racist-rolls-post-fake-attack-images-to-coincide-with-release-of-marvels-black-panther

“We’re excited because we get representation in a film that’s not about slavery, that’s not about trials and tribulations, but about a powerful African empire, which is where we come from in the first place,” said tattoo artist Elisheba Mrozik, who attended one of the first showings of the film in Nashville……

Set in the fictional nation of Wakanda, a technologically advanced oasis that has never been colonised, the film has been praised for its vision of Afrofuturism, strong and smart female characters and a story that shatters stereotypes about the continent and its people.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/film-reviews/101421527/black-panther-a-vibrant-exciting-relevant-slice-of-marvellous-entertainment

True story. About 650 years ago the West African nation of Mali was one of the wealthiest and most powerful countries on Earth.

Mali more or less controlled the supply of gold and salt to half the known world. While my ancestors in England were squabbling with the Scots and the French, Mali could have bought and sold those three countries many times over. Mali was home to great libraries and seats of learning. Her emperors launched fleets of a thousand ships or more to explore the planet.

You got the message Whitey? If you didn’t “colonise” Africa and steal everything they ever had, they would all be superheroes, home of the great seats of learning and they’d have colonised all of Europe with their technologically advanced sailing ships.

It’s even worse than the bullsh*t they give us about Maori being peaceful hunter-gatherers living as one with nature before the evil Europeans arrived on Aoteroea’s shores.
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February 19, 2018 8:37am
- cmm
  
  ” the supply of gold and salt to half the known world”… and slaves.
  
  But Mali only achieved that because they were colonised by the Arabs. Same deal on the East coast of Africa.
  
  They still needed colonisation to set them straight.
  
  So which is preferable: Arabian colonisation or European?
  
  Well Arabian slave traders routinely castrated their male slaves, so there are less descendants to cry about their victmhood.
  
  Western white people were the first people to actually set about stopping slavery and countless European and American sailors gave their lives to stop the slave trade.
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:05am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    @ cmm,
    
    History has been & continues to purposefully retarded to insult us with the double standard of black identity good and white identity bad.
    
    These double standards are being pushed more and more as they can with no meaningful resistance except from heretics in the comments section. Certainly no notable politician is willing to willing to touch such 3rd rails.
    
    A reminder that Whites are despised by those who control all the key cultural choke points and that black people are the pawns in the great chess game of turning all White Countries into South Africa.
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:21am
    - cmm
      
      A few months ago I saw a thing called “You choose history” or something like that.
      
      Real leftie lecturers at real universities giving their theories for what “really happened” as opposed to the official histories and telling the students they could choose which history they prefered.
      
      The one I watched was about the Mfecane: a period when the Zulus inflicted genocide which wiped out 50% of the South African population at the time, also causing a domino-like cascade of displacement that rippled through Zimbabwe and Mozambique. Two profs had published the predictable black-washing of history:
      A) It never happened and was all made up by colonialists to justify stealing the land.
      B) The colonialists actually did the killing and spread rumours it was Zulus.
      
      And the students get to decide which of these they like.
      
      If we are supposed to learn from history, then we will never learn anything if we rewrite it all the time.
      
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      February 19, 2018 10:27am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Indeed, in today’s Orwellian world, all history is up for re-writing except of course the famous 6 million which you’re not allowed to question for fear of being put in prison as indeed 90 year grandmothers Monika Schaefer & Ursula Haverback recently were.
        
        These despicable Thought Criminals committed the dastardly crime of speaking about real life experiences they lived through.
        
        “Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.”― George Orwell, 1984
        
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        February 19, 2018 11:29am
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD TWO , you know you can question here in NZ and e.g the US , UK , Australia , Canada and her . Stop fibbing
        
        Colonists did a lot of killing in Africa eg genocide in German West Africa and the Belgian Congo .
        
        We learn from history only if we don’t falsify i and distort it like you .
        
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        February 19, 2018 11:37am
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm and EAD TWO , whose controlling your thoughts , precisely ?
        
        cmm , a link to the alleged Zulu genocide ?
        
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        February 19, 2018 11:39am
      - cmm
        
        “genocide in German West Africa and the Belgian Congo .”
        
        But no mention of the Arabs? The Arabs were a hundred times worse than everyone else put together.
        
        They all show why you want the Best Colonials to be your colonists: The British.
        
        Now your Portuguese was a pretty good colonist. They tried harder than most, but not a patch on the Brits.
        
        Still, honourable mention to the Porras for kicking the Arabs out of most of the East Coast of Africa.
        
        The British kicked the Germans out of SWA (my grandfather was heavily involved in that), then later in North Eastern Africa (the Italians too). They helped to stop the locals killing each other too.
        
        Top-shelf colonist, the Brit.
        
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        February 19, 2018 11:51am
      - cmm
        
        stephie:
        
        Google Mfecane.
        
        Approx 1815 to 1840. Between 1 and 2 million killed.
        
        Pretty impressive score out of a population of approx 3M people. All achieved without guns or modern weaponry. Heck, they didn’t even have the wheel!
        
        The Wikipedia page has been somewhat “blackwashed”.
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:22pm
      - cmm
        
        “cmm and EAD TWO , whose controlling your thoughts , precisely ?”
        
        Thanks for the warning stephie. I found some wires coming out of my ear. Looks like the damn Russians are up to their tricks again!
        
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        February 19, 2018 1:38pm
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm, we can confidently say you have no sources and that your claims therefore are fictions .
        
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        February 19, 2018 1:54pm
      - cmm
        
        stephie: “your claims therefore are fictions ”
        
        Yup, you’ve figured me out. I’m an alien agent and I was sent here to test your wisdom.
        
        “Go find stephie”, they said, “write crap and see if he calls you out on your bullshit. If he does then that confirms what we have been thinking for a while – that he is extremely wise – and we will fetch him to be the leader of our galaxy.”
        
        So stephie you have passed the test. Well done. What gave me away?
        
        For me, I traveled here in a thing that looks (and smells) like a wheelie bin. Sucks for a 10 million light year voyage.
        
        But for someone as honoured as you they are sending a whole space fleet. It is disguised to look like a big storm coming in from the North.
        
        I think it might be coming in the next day or so, but the last message got a bit garbled so I can’t tell you for sure.
        
        I’d get my toothbrush ready because they really have crap dental hygiene out there. Everything else they will give you.
        
        I hope to get back there in a few years and prostrate myself at your feet.
        
        Have a nice trip.
        
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        February 19, 2018 2:24pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      cmm, we can confidently say you have no sources and that your claims therefore are fictions .
      
      You can say that, stephieboy.
      
      But those of us with a few more clues can discover any number of sources to support old, new, and revisionist versions of the Zulu massacres.
      Start here:
      https://www.britannica.com/event/Mfecane
      
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      February 19, 2018 2:06pm
  - kowtow
    
    Muslim misdeeds are deliberately “whitewashed ” from history.
    
    ‘New book reopens old arguments about slave raids on Europe’
    
    ‘ “One of the things that both the public and many scholars have tended to take as given is that slavery was always racial in nature – that only blacks have been slaves. But that is not true,” said the author.
    
    In comments which may stoke controversy, he said that white slavery had been minimised or ignored because academics preferred to treat Europeans as evil colonialists rather than as victims.”
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2004/mar/11/highereducation.books
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:42am
    - stephieboy
      
      kowtow , your link makes this comment ,
      
      “However David Earle, author of The Corsairs of Malta and Barbary and The Pirate Wars, said that Prof Davis may have erred in extrapolating from 1580-1680 because that was the most intense slaving period: “His figures sound a bit dodgy and I think he may be exaggerating.”
      
      Dr Earle also cautioned that the picture was clouded by the fact the corsairs also seized non-Christian whites from eastern Europe and black people from west Africa. “I wouldn’t hazard a guess about the total.”
      
      Recalling the West African slave trade was largely controlled by Europe nations and East Africa Arab with a bit of help for Europeans .
      
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      February 19, 2018 11:43am
      - cmm
        
        “Recalling the West African slave trade was largely controlled by Europe nations and East Africa Arab with a bit of help for Europeans .”
        
        Slaving is part of the human condition. Everyone has done it in one form or another. Only the Europeans ever put in any effort to stop it.
        
        The Arabs were very active trading in West Africa all the time. Sure the Europeans did take over the Atlantic sea bound operation for a while, but the Arabians continued overland.
        
        Get a slave. Chop his balls off, then force him to march through the Sahara.
        
        The Arab slave trade was still active in Kenya etc in the early 1900s. The British put huge amounts of military resources into patrolling for slave traders both on land and at sea.
        
        And after the Clinton/Obama tag-team fucked up Libya etc, the first thing that pops up is a new Arabian slave trade.
        
        Why break with a tradition that goes back thousands of years?
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Slavery is still being practised.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/25/slaves-of-isis-the-long-walk-of-the-yazidi-women
        
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        February 19, 2018 1:35pm
  - VicParking
    
    Lot of good that did. Slavery is still strong in North Africa. An unlimited supply of economic migrants.
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:31am
    - stephieboy
      
      Vic Parking , unlike slaves they are not auctioned off at the slave markets and treated like animals !
      
      http://www.history.com/topics/black-history/slavery/pictures/slave-trade/illustration
      
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      February 19, 2018 11:46am
      - simpleton1
        
        Yes Vic, that is sadly so true.
        
        Just how some people in NZ here are deniers and try to cover this up. The article was just lasts year. Doubtlessly still happening this year.
        
        “They took people and put them in the street, under a sign that said ‘for sale’,”…..
        ….Female migrants are generally sold into sexual slavery, a trade so lucrative it makes them more valuable as a commodity than men….
        …..captors looked for skilled tradesmen among new slaves, and sold electricians, plumbers and others to buyers who needed particular trades. The rest were auctioned off as labourers,….
        …..“People were tied up like goats, beaten with broom handles and pipes every blessed day, to get the money,”
        https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/may/13/modern-slavery-african-migrants-libya
        
        That is a guardian paper ! ! !
        It would seem that people who cover up and obfuscate about this trade, actually support slavery, despite pleading ignorance and “I never said that” etc.
        
        It is despicable that such people support this supposed refugee stream, that for so many leads to death, and slavery ! while dreaming of a golden “el dorado” of social welfare, of very little work if any.
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:03pm
      - cmm
        
        Oh so this is “black history”.
        
        Slavery is part of everyone’s history. Europeans, Africans, Maori, etc etc. Everyone has both been slaves and held slaves.
        
        Even freed slaves in America owned slaves.
        
        If you were a black slave you could be:
        * Enslaved by other blacks in Africa.
        * Enslaved by Arabs.
        * Enslaved by blacks or Arabs and then sold to Europeans.
        
        While slavery is morally repugnant, the slaves who ended up in European control likely had the best out of a bad deal.
        
        Strange how the Very Worst People Ever (South African whites) never had African slaves. Had a few Malayan slaves though…
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        unlike slaves they are not auctioned off at the slave markets and treated like animals !
        Yes they are:
        https://news.un.org/en/story/2017/11/636702-un-chief-horrified-buying-and-selling-african-migrants-libya
        
        http://time.com/5042560/libya-slave-trade/
        
        https://www.news24.com/Africa/News/migrants-sold-into-slavery-in-libya-tell-of-total-hell-20171122
        
        This was well reported just before Christmas.
        Don’t you follow international news, stephieboy?
        
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        February 19, 2018 1:40pm
      - cmm
        
        Maggie: Facts can’t make it though the stephie reality distortion field.
        
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        February 19, 2018 1:51pm
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm , full all kinds of misinformation until your prepared to cite reputable sources . The idea is try and minimise European participation at the expense of Arabs or even the Africans themselves .
        
        Not good enough until your sources can be evaluated and verified
        
        “ The Wikipedia page has been somewhat “blackwashed .”
        
        ???
        
        Maggy W , so called economic migrants are certainly badly treated but nothing like how slaves for example were shipped from West Africa to the the United Sates . Its a platitude to say otherwise .
        
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      - simpleton1
        
        Just how can people be deniers of this ‘animalistic’ trade this month in 2018 in Mauritania and Libya
        
        Mon 29 Jan 2018 Mauritania was the last country in the world to abolish slavery in 1981 and passed anti-slavery laws in 2007, but these laws still haven’t been implemented. In large parts of the country, slave status is still passed down from mother to child.
        https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jan/29/african-union-mauritania-failing-to-tackle-pervasive-slavery
        
        Pressure is supposedly bought to bear by African Union of States.
        
        Obviously more obfuscations, squirrels that belong to a ‘animalist’ denier will be repeated here.
        
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        February 19, 2018 2:16pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Its a platitude to say otherwise .
        
        1. Do you understand the meaning of platitude?
        
        2. Do you think Mr Grandi is spouting a platitude here:
        refugees are exposed to appalling harm, together with migrants, including torture, rape, sexual exploitation, slavery and other forms of forced labour,
        https://news.un.org/en/story/2017/11/637552-un-working-address-slavery-abuses-against-african-migrants-and-refugees
        
        and what about the DG of the UN?
        “Slavery has no place in our world and these actions are among the most egregious abuses of human rights and may amount to crimes against humanity,”
        https://news.un.org/en/story/2017/11/636702-un-chief-horrified-buying-and-selling-african-migrants-libya
        Is this a platitude, too?
        
        Was all this information news to you, stephieboy?
        or were you trying to pretend that Slavery of African migrants by Libyans isn’t occurring these days?
        
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        February 19, 2018 3:08pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy:
        Here’s some platitudes:
        
        Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm
        Perception is reality
        You can’t judge a book by it’s cover
        Gossip is the devil’s radio
        That’s for me to know and you to find out
        Work smarter, not harder
        That’s just my personal opinion
        It’s not rocket science
        
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        February 19, 2018 5:42pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Wasn’t there a USA violent black ‘civil rights’ group in the 60’s called the Black Panthers?
  
  Today they would be called home-grown terrorists.
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:16am
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    waikato girl , yes ! Bu they did not succeed and nothing remotely like the history of violence against African Americans endured in the US .
    
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    February 19, 2018 11:49am
    - cmm
      
      “violence against African Americans endured in the US” … from other Black Americans.
      
      To quote the very black Jesse Jackson: “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved….”
      
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      February 19, 2018 1:54pm
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    Naah Black Panthers are just a cultural organisation like the Mongrel Mob.
    
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    February 19, 2018 12:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , be at peace by wanting another scramble for Africa and reimposition of the slave trade ?
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:26am
- G152
  
  Cheddar man has problems with authenticity.
  The Lab that did the test is owned by some-one with an agenda.
  
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  February 19, 2018 12:18pm
Manolo

Scum of the worst kind:
http://www.themercury.com.au/news/cruise-passengers-reject-unacceptable-compensation-after-cruise-from-hell/news-story/da396ba5ab6ec4a11036c61877543940
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February 19, 2018 8:55am
- GazzaW
  
  Were they Aussies though? One passenger intimated over the weekend that they weren’t. I hope to hell they weren’t feral Kiwis.
  
  This was the second such event in the space of a week. A P&O ship on a three night booze cruise to nowhere had to return to Sydney on the second day due to two feuding stag party groups.
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:59am
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    I saw a TV news item that described them as an extended Italian family. The news item didn’t clarify if they were Aussies of Italian extraction or l’articolo originale .
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:27am
    - howitis
      
      I don’t know nor care what is reported in the local media but offshore it has more reporting that the troublemakers are the Barkho family from Melbourne.
      
      These are Lebanese who lean towards largely criminal intent in their new playground of Australia.
      It s possible to confuse them with Italians (Sicilians) as they are using the same playbook the Sicilian Mafia used when they arrived in USA.
      
      For more insight enter ‘lebanese crime in’ into Google and see the results.
      One of the seasons of Underbelly Australia was about just one of the Lebanese crime families.
      
      wiki
      Lebanese organized crime was introduced in Australia after the mass immigration of Lebanese people after the Lebanese Civil War in the 1970s to the end of the 1980s. The first community of Lebanese in Australia were Maronite Christians, quickly followed by a large Muslim community. The main center of Lebanese organized crime is Sydney, with a significant community of 120,000, followed by Melbourne. Criminal organizations are mostly based around extended crime families with a large number of associates from their community. The main activities of Lebanese gangs in Australia are narcotics and weapons trafficking, extortion, prostitution, car theft and money laundering. Often different rival criminal families are interlocked in feuds, resulting in a fair amount of violence.
      
      worth a read:
      https://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/john-lyons/each-day-an-entire-police-team-takes-on-30-crime-families/news-story/5242d76a14f6ce436dd1e9d6d530c78f
      …As many as 30 crime families are currently involved in a battle for Sydney’s multibillion-dollar drug trade. Many of the crime families originate from the same three places in north Lebanon — Tripoli, el-Minieh and Akkar. ….
      
      It is so bad they actually have a MEOCS in the Australian Police— the ‘Middle East Organised Crime Squad’.
      
      The piece of trash that had the ostentatious wedding 2 years ago (Salim Mehajer) is Lebanese. Within a year the marriage was over and Mehajer has an AVO (Aust: restraining order) against him.
      
      It was Malcolm Fraser who let this pile of trash into Australia when no-one else would take them (no guess as to why).
      It was Big Mal’s bribe to try to get a high ranking at the UN, so this selling out your country to inveigle oneself with the UN is not new.(Klarkenfuhrer; the giggly gurl from the 9th floor),
      
      It is worth reading the Australian article and comments for more info.
      eg …Our country is slowly being turned into the violent, crime-ridden, corrupt cess-pit from which these perpetrators fled….
      
      Rust never sleeps and trash can’t always be compacted.
      
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      February 19, 2018 5:08pm
BeaB

Why do we get so much American news? TVNZ even leads its main news with a US story. Radio NZ has lengthy analyses every morning of gun laws, FBI antics etc etc, none 0f which has any relevance to us. If we are interested there’s plenty of stuff on the internet.
Is it that they are just too lazy to do any work on what is happening here in NZ?
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February 19, 2018 9:00am
- kowtow
  
  I am convinced it is an effort to deligitimise all things American.
  
  Under Obummer we had a constant stream of BLM . The theme was murdering white cops. The Charlotsville shooting was given a prominence way beyond it’s actual “news” value and like BLM shootings also led. Now we have the Florida business. As well as the constant attempts by the media to imply Putin won the Presidentail election for Trump , thus deligitimising his Presidency and feeding the current western media’s other obsession , Putin.
  
  The Panama Papers ” scoop ” was also designed as a Putin smear but it actually ended up implicating the China elites , and was therefor quietly dropped.
  
  We are constantly being steered away by our media from the real story , happening in this country , right now , by the emerging superpower in this region . They are buying influence here big time, our media aren’t doing their job. They are deliberately pointing away, what’s going on?
  
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  ‘KEY POINTS:
  New research paper lays bare China’s influence campaign in New Zealand
  Concerns raised over political donations and directorships offered to former ministers and relatives
  Chinese-owned New Zealand dairy farms said to possibly being used to test advanced missile technology’
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11924169
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:16am
  - Jack5
    
    Anne-Marie Brady is an astute, very intelligent academic.
    
    It is appalling that she is likely being targeted by Chinese intelligence thugs within New Zealand.
    
    But what can you expect that our highest-vote-winning political party selects a graduate of the Chinese spy system as a list MP?
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Why do we get so much American news?
  
  Cheap.
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:29am
  - Jack5
    
    Also, leftist journalists can give vent to their prejudices with far less chance of being challenged for bias.
    
    In the past, overseas news was chiefly the field of the great news agencies – Reuters, AP etc. Now the content from abroad tends to be articles from newspapers and magazines that are either all opinion, or contain some opinion.
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:32am
  - VicParking
    
    Fairy stories are always much cheaper than real news
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:34am
  - stephieboy
    
    Maggy W , superficial hogwash ! The facts are the US is now the sole superpower with events at home and abroad making an enormous impact internationally including here .
    
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    February 19, 2018 2:14pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Maggy W , superficial hogwash !
      
      Feel free to provide some recent costings.
      
      How much does TVNZ pay to run US news items, compared to running items from Scandinavian/Canadian/Irish/ German/French news sources.
      
      I’d be very interested.
      
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      February 19, 2018 2:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  Bea8 , I think you’ll find that e.g the National leadership change has got plenty of coverage .
  
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  February 19, 2018 11:53am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Parkland Students to President Trump: Stay ‘Far Away’ From Us

Few imagine that the president would provide any comfort. Many fear he will make things worse.

ASAWIN SUEBSAENG
JAMES LAPORTA
TAYLOR LORENZ
02.16.18 5:16 PM ET

PARKLAND, Florida—Two days after enduring a horrific school shooting, students at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School and parents of the victims have one request for President Donald Trump: stay away.

“In my opinion I do not want Trump here at all,” Ameer Hussain, a 15-year-old freshman at the school told The Daily Beast.

Trump is scheduled to be at his resort in Mar-a-Lago this weekend. And reports on Friday said that he would be paying a visit to Parkland, Florida—the site of the shooting that claimed 17 lives on Wednesday while wounding 15 others—to, in his words, “meet with some of the bravest people on earth.”
It’s common for presidents to visit the sites of national tragedies and, while there, meet with the affected. But Trump is neither a conventional president nor one whom many people here particularly want to see.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/parkland-students-to-president-trump-stay-far-away-from-us

The contrast with his predecessor who reached out in compassion to grieving families and fellow students as well as putting the responsibility on where it truly belonged .

Namely lax gun control laws and a mindless devotion to 2nd amendments rights under the auspices of the NRA and Trump.

Transcript: President Obama At Sandy Hook Prayer Vigi

https://www.npr.org/2012/12/16/167412995/transcript-president-obama-at-sandy-hook-prayer-vigil
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- cmm
  
  predecessor: “If I had a son he would be like Trayvon Martin”…
  
  So a president who willingly used the incident for race baiting.
  
  Trayvon Martin was a thug who committed multiple crimes. He was strong and brutal, yet the MSM took a very old innocent-looking photo to paint him as this poor little kid and stirred up racial tension.
  
  Obama was complicit in all this.
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:13am
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    cmm , citation for that with context and background ?
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:18am
    - Manolo
      
      Here you are. At 1.38 of this clip:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAPtUfOs7Gs
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:21am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Manolo, watch the whole of there video where the President attempts to put the Trayvon Martin case in the wider context of the history of African America experience of discrimination and racism. At no point did he try to justify or rationalisation the actions Trayvon Martin . For example he stated the acquittal of George Zimmerman should be dealt by the proper legal process and legal and other debates .
        
        You’ve simple cherry picked a sentence or two by the former President and put them widely out of context .A thing you do very well when it comes to him ,
        
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/obama-tryavon-martin-could-have-been-me-35-years-ago/2013/07/19/1bd5fa26-f09b-11e2-9008-61e94a7ea20d_video.html?utm_term=.6ee5f2be5717
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:45am
      - cmm
        
        stephie:
        “where the President attempts to put the Trayvon Martin case in the wider context of the history of African America experience of discrimination and racism.”
        
        In other words race baiting.
        
        He took a criminal action by a black person and tried to spin this into some bullshit about discrimination and racism.
        
        Pity for him the Trayvon Martin’s victim was actually Hispanic. George Zimmerman has Peruvian-African roots and one could argue he has a better claim to being African-American than Obama has!
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:58am
    - cmm
      
      “citation for that with context and background ?”
      
      You typed in the wrong box.
      
      If you want to find stuff out, then type it in the search box. It then goes to Google and a bunch of overworked slaves quickly look it up in a big library and then type an answer back to you.
      
      But don’t use it too often because the slaves are exploited by the evil capitalists.
      
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      February 19, 2018 10:01am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes Trayvon Martin was 6-3″ tall and played high school football (where half the kids are on steroids). The media constantly showed a picture from 2 years earlier when he was 5-8″
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:36am
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      Harkman , the former President did not try to justify or support the actions of Trayvon Martin .
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:59am
- Inandout
  
  Who cares for your C&P stephie?
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:22am
  - stephieboy
    
    Indandout , I leave it for people ( including you )to form their own conclusions no matter how false or wrong . ( including you )
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:01am
    - Nermal
      
      Currently 19-0
      
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      February 19, 2018 1:08pm
- Harkman
  
  The Daily Beast is to the left of Bernie Sanders. Not a serious source. I bet those kids come from Democratic homes.
  
  Didn’t this all occur because of incompetent Government employees? (FBI and local sheriff).
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:34am
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkman , from the so called left of Sanders Daily beast ,
    
    “I can’t believe that pig is coming down here,” said Kylan Reynolds, 23, a graduate of Florida Atlantic University in South Florida. “The man is a coward.”
    
    Not everyone is demanding that Trump stay away, however. Some, like Nikhita Nookala, a 17-year-old senior at the school, are eager for him to come to Parkland so that he can, in her words, “learn a lesson.”
    
    “If Trump comes down I think it’s important that he shows us he’s with us,” Nookala said to The Daily Beast. “I think the death of 17 people should encourage the president to consider [gun] restrictions… There’s been too many school shootings and we don’t need kids to die before they go to college.”
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:03am
    - Harkman
      
      High school and University students not liking a Republican President. No never.
      
      The 2nd Amendment gives people the right to own guns. Should they ban automatic riffles perhaps but they simply can’t buy them back like in Australia there’s just too many.
      
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      February 19, 2018 3:18pm
      - axeman
        
        Automatic guns have been banned for decades. Semi-automatics are the issue and yes there is a reasonable argument that legal purchases should be more stringent.
        
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        February 19, 2018 4:05pm
- Jack5
  
  WTF is Ameer Hussain, one of the school’s handful of Muslims, going to say about Trump?
  
  It would be like asking one of the Stephiestani troll team about the Christchurch mass-murder plot that you didn’t hear about on TVNZ.
  
  Incidentally, there’s been a roster change at Stephiestan Trolls Inc. The Stephie with the least grasp of English punctuation is on duty today.
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:15am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack 5 ,
    
    “.. Christchurch mass-murder plot that you didn’t hear about on TVNZ.”
    
    Pray tell us more ? Stuff , News hub , etc ?
    
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    February 19, 2018 11:55am
- Scott
  
  Can I just say stephieboy that I hate hate hate what you have posted here! I know you like to troll but let me say that what you have posted is despicable. The post says that people don’t want Trump to visit but then they say this is in contrast to Obama who reached out with compassion.
  Well if Trump does reach out with compassion and does visit. Then you would say he shouldn’t go where he is not wanted.
  
  If he doesn’t visit out of respect for those who don’t want him to come, you would say that he lacks compassion and he is not like his predecessor Obama.
  
  So the upshot of it all is that Trump cannot win. Damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t.
  
  I just think that’s despicable! Particularly in the time of great tragedy.
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott , not all did not want the President to visit as per my post at 10.03 am
    
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    February 19, 2018 11:57am
  - Gabby
    
    He could have kept his big gob shut about the FBI, snott.
    
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    February 19, 2018 1:58pm
    - softail 1450
      
      grub ,hows that hangover from yesterdays big splurge grubby?
      
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      February 19, 2018 2:44pm
      - Gabby
        
        softcock 14yo, how’s the girlybike polishing up after the tits in chain incident softcocky?
        
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        February 19, 2018 3:56pm
- Scott
  
  And just while I am chipping into you stephieboy, your posts about the NRA and Trump not doing anything about gun control is just wide of the mark.
  
  Essentially neither Republican or Democrat is able to do away with guns in America. There are literally millions of gun owners and any attempt to take away or confiscate their guns would be met with armed resistance. There would literally be a civil war.
  
  So to blame Donald Trump for this latest school massacre is well wide of the mark. And that’s putting it mildly.
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:19am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott , Australia has been able to do it . Where theatre is a will there is a way .
    
    You could start with by revoking the Presidents insane decision to allow the mentally ill to bare arms that his predecessor introduced .
    
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    February 19, 2018 11:59am
    - Nermal
      
      So was that middle eastern thug shot with a nerf gun or a water pistol then?
      
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      February 19, 2018 1:11pm
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy,lying again,
      
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      February 19, 2018 2:42pm
igm

What did the primate do about gun laws . . . you selective left-wing sycophant.
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February 19, 2018 9:05am
- Lance
  
  You odious racist little shit
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:16am
  - Jack5
    
    The stacking style of Kiwiblog posts makes it unclear who you were aiming your 9.16 post at, Lance.
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:17am
    - Lance
      
      Definitely igm
      By all means critique / analyse someone’s actions, but such pathetic racism is uncalled for.
      
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      February 19, 2018 10:23am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Oh, so it’s OK to refer to GWB as Chimpy McBush Hitler, but not to use the same epithet on others ?
        
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        February 19, 2018 11:08am
      - stephieboy
        
        Ed Snack , I think your know full well whom “primate “ refers !
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:00pm
      - Lance
        
        @Ed Snack
        No it’s not, and I never said anything even remotely like it.
        
        To use an old saying
        “Two wrongs do not make a right”
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:22pm
      - Gabby
        
        What would be your animal of choice ed vaginaschmuck? Do you limit your epithets to the female anatomy schmucker?
        
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        February 19, 2018 2:01pm
waikatogirl

Mark Mitchell MP is tipped by the msm to throw his hat in the ring for the National Party leadership. While MM looks to have a great personal back story he has only been an MP for 3 years and I’m guessing will need a bit longer bedding in as a politician before claiming the mantle of leadership.

Being leader of a political party is a whole new kettle of fish compared to being a K9 security officer.
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February 19, 2018 9:09am
- KiWombat
  
  WG – Mitchell was elected in April 2011 so more than 3 years, almost 7
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:44am
  - Piniwi
    
    Thanks KiWombat but it begs the question of why he seems to be so much of a mystery man.
    
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    February 20, 2018 2:09am
- RF
  
  Mitchell was a bloody good cop. Not that makes him a bloody good MP.
  
  Just saying.
  
  Sorry reported you owing to Boss Hogg fingers. One day there will be a better system of reporting…
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:12am
- KevOB
  
  It’s typical planted stirring stuff from Labours PR team. Anything to destabilise. Best ignored.
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:30am
- Longknives
  
  “Being leader of a political party is a whole new kettle of fish compared to being a K9 security officer”
  
  I don’t know anything about the guy but I’d imagine a decorated Police Career makes him considerably more suitable for leadership roles than someone who has only ever worked part time in a Fish and Chip shop.
  
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  February 19, 2018 12:26pm
  - Nermal
    
    You are assuming that Jacinta is actually leading the Labour/NZF/Green Government
    
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    February 19, 2018 1:13pm
  - Gabby
    
    He’d be mitch better at keeping things under his hat, ass fissure lungnuts.
    
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    February 19, 2018 3:19pm
Longknives

The hysteria surrounding the Marvel Black Panther movie is getting completely out of hand.
Have a look on Twitter- It’s fucking madness..
There are Black People threatening violence if they see any Whites at the movie, there are ‘White Guilt’ types apologising and asking if there will be any Sessions that it’s okay for them to attend?
There are stories flying round of Whites being assaulted because ‘This is our Movie’ etc,
and craziest of all- Some Black activists are boycotting the movie because it’s lead Actor has a White Girlfriend!
The World has gone fucking mad. It’s only a bloody Marvel Comic movie..

*As for the gushing Media shrieking ‘First Black Superhero Movie’ – I must have dreamed that I saw Wesley Snipes in Blade when I was a young fella..
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February 19, 2018 9:11am
- dime
  
  its kinda funny that some people are telling us that the movie shows what africa would be like if evil whitey had never shown up haha
  
  i agree – they were just biding their time. sure, they hadnt invented the wheel a few hundred years ago,but they were thinking about it.
  
  massive technilogical gains were just around the corner.. then evil whitey turned up and ruined everything!
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:54am
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    dime , you seem well informed about the movie ?
    Have you seen it ?
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:06am
    - dime
      
      “dime , you seem well informed about the movie ?
      Have you seen it ?”
      
      troll level – words for the sake of words.
      
      loser.
      
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      February 19, 2018 12:01pm
      - Gabby
        
        dim’s gettin tossy
        
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        February 19, 2018 3:21pm
  - Longknives
    
    http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/black-panther-shows-us-what-africa-could-have-become-10095074
    
    ” it shows the world what Africa, the motherland, could have been had it not been raped and pillaged by white conquerors. ”
    
    Jesus Wept…
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:43am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      I note there’s still the necessity for a lawman to stop the blacks committing crimes. That fact seems to be only noted by people higher up on the bell curve.
      
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      February 19, 2018 11:35am
  - Gabby
    
    dim’s forgotten where Egypt is, dim’s gettin senile
    
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    February 19, 2018 3:21pm
- BrasellBrush
  
  Sorry if this too late for these comments comments but this link sums it up!
  https://youtu.be/RSe1tbWicys
  
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  February 19, 2018 3:23pm
lastmanstanding

Just read the Gay Pride piece of yesterday. IMHO given the law reform was 30 years ago for this straight person it seems a little OTT and over acting to have all this excited display.

Immediately after the law reform it was expected that gays would and did celebrate but 30 years on and after them telling us they want to part of society quite rightly maybe just maybe they could tone it do a bit and not stick it in our faces all the time.
Just saying.
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February 19, 2018 9:11am
- Gabby
  
  You’ll scarcely believe this lostmongskanking, but the yankers are still banging on about some shit that went down 200 some years ago. Don’t even get started on the Guy Fawkes thing.
  
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  February 19, 2018 3:25pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Depends on what is being pushed in people’s faces. A fun entertainment day celebrating gay rights is one thing. I went a few times when I lived in Ponsonby – I’ve always supported equal rights for gays.
  
  But I stopped going after instead of just joyous, glitzy displays there was a float with men in cages, some fake whipping others in barely-there leather outfits and chains. That’s not ‘Gay Pride’, that’s S&M, and there were families with small children who had come to enjoy and support the parade.
  
  But when I complained to a gay friend about this float in front of kids he just said ‘what did they expect at a Gay Pride parade?’. No consideration at all for children, and no separation of equal rights for gay couples from a public sexual and violent display.
  
  I decided I’d done enough: supported equal marriage and property rights, supported gay friends through the coming out process etc etc. No need to ‘admire’ S&M displays.
  
  No idea whether they still allow that crap in the parade.
  
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  February 19, 2018 5:11pm
  - Longknives
    
    There was a couple of Guys performing oral sex on each other in full view of the crowd a couple of years ago.
    Yet they insist this is some kind of ‘Family Entertainment’…
    
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    February 19, 2018 6:30pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Can’t have it both ways! Also, it’s daytime, on a main public street. People should have a right to be there with their children and not see sexual acts.
      
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      February 19, 2018 7:04pm
stephieboy

igm, he did e.g by making it much more difficult for the mentally ill to buy guns a move that the current President revoked .

I would say also he did not have the numbers in Congress and the Senate to make much needed changes to gun control laws .
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February 19, 2018 9:13am
- Inandout
  
  Forget guns and concentrate on your Muslim vehicle users or bomb makers. After every school shooting the anti gun lobby laps up the publicity, but in the latest case your heroic FBI stuffed up big time. Too busy chasing Trump/Russia shadows.
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:28am
  - kowtow
    
    And the local police . How many times had they been called to the loon’s home?
    
    What about security at the school itself . How did he get back into the grounds when he shouldn’t have been there?
    
    Very easy to point at the Prez and blame him , that’s what the media and other activists are doing .He had nothing to do with the second amendment.
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:33am
    - Paulus
      
      Of course you and the MSM blame Trump – everything is his fault.
      Its not the rifles but the people – how many of the parents in this school have guns ? – most I expect – start there.
      
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      February 19, 2018 2:10pm
    - Gabby
      
      Nobody’s blaming Chump kobknob.
      
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      February 19, 2018 3:27pm
  - fernglas
    
    Just remind us how many Americans have been killed on their own soil by American citizens with guns as opposed to Muslim vehicle users or bomb makers
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:34am
    - Jack5
      
      You need to factor into this the proportion of Muslims in the American population.
      
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      February 19, 2018 10:21am
      - fernglas
        
        Factor away, I await the answer.
        
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        February 19, 2018 10:45am
      - fernglas
        
        Muslim population in the US is about 1%. From Business.com
        
        “Compared to the threat posed by a refugee terrorist the data suggest the typical American is:
        129,000 times more likely to die in a gun assault”
        
        (Abbreviated to answer the specific point)
        
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        February 19, 2018 11:00am
    - Rich Prick
      
      And wide-body jets. I doubt guns come even close if you include those.
      
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      February 19, 2018 11:00am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Like to advise us about the race of the assailants as well as their victims ? Can you tell us which “race” is most likely on a per head basis to shoot someone ?
      
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      February 19, 2018 11:10am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Lefty thinking: When a muslim has a shootup we are told not to worry lone gunman with i mentally illness . When a teenager shoots up his school we are told it is Guns that are the problem and the president is ridiculous for suggesting its because of Mental illness. Lefty thinking 2: The left want to legalise drugs so we are told “prohibition has never worked” . But when Guns are a problem they believe prohibition will work. I hope the Americans do tighten their gun laws, but enforcement would not be easy they are not an island. Ultimately they are educated and it’s a free country. They can make these changes through the federal law or their own state laws if they have the political will. It is their nation and their decision.
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:52am
    - stephieboy
      
      Surely , untrue ! The Orlando and Sandy Hook massacres focused very much on the issue of gun control laws
      
      In N Z and Australia etc get on well with strict gun control laws without affecting or depriving our rights as citizens .
      
      The issue of US gun control laws is open for debate within the US and without .
      
      For or Against !
      
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      February 19, 2018 10:17am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Lots of states have strict gun control laws banning semi-automatics and requiring licensing.and they they could improve gun laws regardless of Trump, if they have the political will at state level. I don’t have a problem with stricter gun control. But it is not going to be as easy for the Americans to implement, just as it’s not easy to control the flow of drugs. Further, they do not have the advantage of a boundary of water. Ultimately they are a sovereign nation. We should look at our own problems. What happened to the emergency that was NZ poverty, family violence, homelessness , housing the environment and suicide rates that our government campaigned on. Any improvement?
        No, far better to focus on Trump, the russians, his hair, and american gun laws, .
        
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        February 19, 2018 10:34am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        No state in the US has laws banning semi-automatics and neither does NZ. People hunt deer and pigs with them here, though bolt action is more common.
        
        NZ law would not have prevented the Parkland shooting. You can buy the same gun from your local gun shop though the process takes a bit longer.
        
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        February 19, 2018 11:17am
      - stephieboy
        
        Nigel Kerney , totally untrue ! Owning a semi automatic requires not only a police licence but a special endorsement for the same .
        
        Restrictions that would be totally unacceptable to the NRA and the current President .
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:05pm
      - Swifty
        
        Stephieboy – that is incorrect.
        
        Sporting semi-auto rifles and shorguns can be legally held in NZ with an A Category firearms license – the ‘basic’ license.
        
        (NB there is no such thing as a ‘police license’)
        
        Military style semi autos and/or shotguns require an E Category endorsement.
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:53pm
      - Swifty
        
        Stephieboy – for how long have you held your firearms license?
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:54pm
      - Nermal
        
        Oh dear, the Stephie bot has some more errant code. It’s started putting spaces before full stops and exclamation marks as well.
        BTW, English is my second language too, but I work hard to get it right.
        
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        February 19, 2018 1:19pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Swifty , not according to the Police ,
        
        Standard firearms licence – who needs one?
        
        Anyone can use a sporting firearm without a licence if they are under the immediate supervision of a licence holder. ‘Immediate supervision’ means the licensed person is within reach and can control the firearm. The superviser must not be using another firearm at the same time.
        
        If you are 16 years old or over you can apply for a standard firearms licence. This will allow you to have and use unsupervised:
        
        sporting type shotguns and rifles
        pre-charged pneumatic (PCP) air rifles.
        You need a special addition to your licence (called an endorsement) to:
        
        possess or use pistols for target shooting (B endorsement)
        collect pistols and restricted weapons or stage theatrical performances involving pistols and restricted weapons (C endorsement)
        
        possess or use military-style semi-automatic (MSSA) rifles or shotguns (E endorsement).
        
        http://www.police.govt.nz/advice/firearms-and-safety/standard-new-zealand-firearms-licence
        
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        February 19, 2018 2:21pm
      - Swifty
        
        Stephieboy – what are you on about now?
        
        You’re cut and paste job has merely proved my point.
        
        You originally said (at 12.05pm) “Owning a semi automatic requires not only a police licence but a special endorsement for the same .”
        
        That statement is not correct. You do not need a special endorsement.
        
        What is not clear?
        
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        February 19, 2018 3:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Swiftly
        Is it correct that since this AR15 is A cat compliant you don’t need an endorsement to buy it?
        If so, does that mean anyone with an ‘ordinary’ licence can buy an AR15 in NZ?
        https://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunting-shooting/rifles/centrefire/auction-1547990710.htm?rsqid=8f46dad055014d4286cff46b3e5d2a22
        
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        February 19, 2018 3:18pm
      - Swifty
        
        AOR – yep.
        
        Here’s a Wikipedia page in these matters. I don’t know how up to date it is – but you’ll get the general drift.
        
        If an AR15 has none of the ‘features’ of an MSSA it is A Cat – and you can grab yourself one if you have a license.
        
        While I’ve shot a few, I haven’t hunted with or owned semi-autos myself – I just don’t like them. I believe they’re used in NZ for helicopter pest control for example – where fast follow up shots are required and you of course don’t need to ‘demount’ the rifle from the firing position to eject your spent cartridge case, pick up a new round and cock the weapon as you need to do with a bolt-action.
        
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        February 19, 2018 3:35pm
      - Swifty
        
        AoR – sorry, forgot the link:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-style_semi-automatic
        
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        February 19, 2018 3:50pm
      - stephieboy
        
        A on R and Swifty , the police according to this memorandum have strict criteria for the and purchase of those kind of weapons ,
        
        Requirements to possess[edit]
        
        “Possession or use of any MSSA requires a firearms licence with either a “C” or “E” endorsement. The “E” endorsement allows MSSAs to be used with live ammunition; while the “C” endorsement is used by museum curators, collectors, film/TV/theatre armourers, etc. To be granted either endorsement, the applicant must demonstrate to Police good cause for possessing MSSAs and the application must be supported by 2 referees who are current endorsement holders, serving members of a firearms-related organisation, bona fide collectors or persons able to demonstrate a genuine long-term interest in firearms. The applicant must also demonstrate a higher standard of security for the storage of weapons than is required for ordinary firearms.”
        
        That is not over the counter type sales and the Police memorandum would be considered a breach of 2nd amendment rights by the NRA and their toady , the President .
        
        Its fantasy to think otherwise !
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:22pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yep, thanks Stephieboy – it’s clear firearms aren’t one of your specialist topics.
        
        MSSAs are a subset of semi-autos. The vast majority of semi autos in NZ are held by A Category license holders – and with no special endorsements whatsoever.
        
        You really should check your facts before you post such drivel.
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:51pm
    - Gabby
      
      Shame it’s so easy for mentals to get guns isn’t it surly nutt.
      
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      February 19, 2018 3:29pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout ,I’m sure eg US security services , FBI and state police are doing their level best.
    
    But don’t you think e.g that lax gun control laws ,especially in states like Florida , is an open invitation for ISIS and Jihadists ?
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:10am
    - Surely Knott
      
      I think they should fix them. And yes they can do so at State level. And if I lived in Florida I would writing to my representative to have it changed. But I’m a NZer and I’m concerned about the erosion of democracy by the COL. EG the Waka jumping legislation , the selling out of the greens of our democracy behind closed doors, and a legislation change which will allow one mad idiot with a party to have undue influence. And I’d like the media to focus a little more on NZ politics than American politics
      
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      February 19, 2018 10:44am
      - stephieboy
        
        Surely Knott , your hysterical ! How is the waka jumping bill and Greens actions eroding your rights to free speech and right to vote etc ?
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:07pm
    - softail 1450
      
      septicboy ,moron.
      
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      February 19, 2018 2:36pm
      - Gabby
        
        softcock 14yo, girlybikeseat sniffer.
        
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        February 19, 2018 3:52pm
Happychappy

The Judith Collins fans will happy to see Winstons leading assassin leading The fan club for Judith to be the next National Party Leader by calling her a Rottweiler and the only one capable of gnawing away at Labour’s most valuable and untouchable asset Jacinda Ardern. Whilst I agree with parts of this why has Barry Soper Winstons main Nark and excuse for a Journalist suddenly wanting to help National get back into power after his lies and innuendo that he has spouted against the former Goverment since before the last Election.
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February 19, 2018 9:48am
- brett68
  
  The media want Collins because she’s newsworthy.
  
  She will give them stories which are what the media wants
  
  They will not get that from Bridges and they certainly won’t get that from Adams
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:26am
  - VicParking
    
    Correct. Her baggage will be Column Yards for the MSM
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:42am
    - brett68
      
      Nope, no ones interested in that shit
      
      It was eye wateringly boring first time around, that ain’t going to get clicks.
      
      This is about attacking the government because everyone likes to put the boot into politicians.
      
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      February 19, 2018 11:48am
Tauhei Notts

I went to a delightful birthday at a pleasing suburban club yesterday. The place has a lovely backdrop, and as I have been involved in the administration of a club I searched the outfit online. They were up to date with their filing requirements, but what was there was a mish mash of mumbo jumbo.
No auditor’s report or reviewer’s report. No idea of what the Club’s turnover was. No statement of accounting policies so I don’t know whether the accounts were inclusive or exclusive of GST. No mention of the Club’s property’s government valuation, which must be about $2,000,000. In short, mumbo jumbo.
Then I thought; the highly paid people at the Registrar of Incorporated Societies take the internet download of the accounts and put them up on their site and nobody who has studied sixth form bookkeeping looks at them.
You can pass all the laws you like, but if nobody is going to enforce them, then that is a joke.
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February 19, 2018 9:54am
- Callum
  
  There are no particular reporting standards for Incorporated Societies, only what is in the individual societies rules. That is however changing to bring in the same reporting requirements as charities within the next few years (currently being consulted on). Incorporated Societies don’t concern me too much as it is members money used for members, no real tax benefits etc. Will be good to see it tightened up a little though given how easy it is to prepare proper financial statements with Xero etc these days.
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:14am
  - Jack5
    
    Callum, it would be nice to see the registry (and the charities register) also tighten up on deadlines.
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:23am
    - Callum
      
      That is in process, they are actively chasing and as the new rules settle in enforcement will ramp up.
      
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      February 19, 2018 11:18am
  - KevOB
    
    The reporting requirements have become impossible. The need to be hold a current certificate as a Chartered Accountant or whatever they now are is making it far too expensive. The cost of maintaining membership for what is relatively trivial bookkeeping review is ludicrous. That cuts me out of doing small audit reports even gratis.
    The FMA went over the top in establishing their patch legislatively. There were many retired accountants who did the community work like Plunket Audits or Organist Society or a body corporate for a group of flat owners. These have been scrapped. Perhaps the new government can address that problem. It is not formal public company reporting at stake.
    
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    February 19, 2018 10:42am
    - Callum
      
      Audits are only required over $1m turnover for a charity (review over $500k), that isn’t exactly a small organisation and is a fairly hefty subsidy from the taxpayer potentially. We recommend amending your constitution if below that level but have a specific requirement.
      Requiring the auditor to be a chartered accountant sets legal minimum standards that can be enforced and was needed based on some of the people calling themselves an auditor who weren’t up to the job. There is no such thing as a partial audit.
      
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      February 19, 2018 11:17am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    I tried accounting for PAYE on a GST registered contractor in receipt if schedular payments on Xero system.
    Totally fcuking hopeless!!
    And look up schedular payments on Xero; they have not even heard of them!
    
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    February 19, 2018 12:38pm
    - Callum
      
      Yeah I don’t rate Xero payroll very highly, there are better options. Don’t need their payroll to use their ledger system though.
      
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      February 19, 2018 1:52pm
    - KevOB
      
      Xero is not a double entry bookkeeping program.
      
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      February 19, 2018 7:33pm
DifferentPerspective

Bish belongs in the Green party

I mean after all he oesn’t care to follow the rules like a Greenie (after flanking AA at her leadership coming out announcement in clear breach of the caucus agree rules for the NP leadership campaign).

Plus this is just plain embarrassing, he travels all the way up to appropriately name Ponce-onby to take part in the virtue-signalling around the gay pride flounce.

You add in his passion for the massive abuse of power to tear up roads for cycling virtue-signalling and he just doesn’t seem to be much of a conservative at all. Now wonder he is supporting the lefter than Chairman Mao Amy Adams.

No more regressive progressives in the NP please!
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February 19, 2018 10:06am
Maggy Wassilieff

We keep hearing that it is difficult to get hold of a midwife in certain locations and now and again we got horror stories about incompetent midwives.
Now we hear of sub-standard care being provided by the midwives at Auckland Hospital.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/350700/auckland-midwives-slam-staff-shortages-poor-culture

Back in the 1980s-1990s, we were assured that by having independent midwives in the Health system, women would have increased choice as to how their child’s birth would be handled.
https://www.midwife.org.nz/in-new-zealand/autonomy
It didn’t take long for GPs to opt out of maternity care.

How long can this grand experiment run before local GPs are required to provide ante-natal care again?
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February 19, 2018 10:11am
- Jack5
  
  Maggy, and now that women make up such a strong portion of medical graduates, perhaps even a majority, there would likely have been plenty of female obstetricians for those who preferred female care.
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:20am
DifferentPerspective

A brief glimpse of NZ’s future

Remember how National agreed to a virtue-signalling increase in the numbers of refugees.

Get ready to apologise to your daughters and granddaughters when they’re raped like these Swedes have been – now we’ve had the first muslim terror attack foiled in NZ, we had the warning, we need to close the door.
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February 19, 2018 10:22am
- Jack5
  
  At the very beginning of the Middle East invasion of Europe, John Key stood firm on refugee numbers.
  
  But under an outpouring of emotion, led by celebrity airheads, he buckled.
  
  Remember Rachel Smalley’s refugee-highlighting propaganda from Europe, for which the Hooerald nominated her as one of its “New Zealanders of the Year”?
  
  Here she is with John Key at a related function:
  
  http://spy.nzherald.co.nz/party-people/the-forgotten-millions-gala-dinner/
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:42am
- DigNap15
  
  I agree, but how do “we” close the door.
  
  If I was President of NZ, I would close it tomorrow.
  
  But how do we close the door, when our politicians don’t want to.
  
  And when we are part of the western liberal state system, that says you cannot discriminate on the grounds of race or religion?
  
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  February 19, 2018 10:44am
  - cmm
    
    “But how do we close the door, when our politicians don’t want to.”
    
    Democracy. We vote for different politicians.
    
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    February 19, 2018 11:10am
    - DigNap15
      
      So which politicians have said they will stop muslim immigration?
      
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      February 19, 2018 11:57am
      - stephieboy
        
        DigNap 15 , none as far I’m aware of . Time to ask Collin Craig and dismantled Conservative party ?
        
        LOL !
        
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        February 19, 2018 12:21pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “And when we are part of the western liberal state system, that says you cannot discriminate on the grounds of race or religion?”
    
    And that’s the problem. No, of course we shouldn’t discriminate on race.
    
    But religion is simply an ideology. And if someone subscribes to an ideology that advocates wife beating, owning and raping slaves (‘those your right hand possesses’), stoning adulterers, killing gays and murdering jews, then perhaps, just perhaps, we should discriminate just a wee bit and go more for immigrants that don’t want those things.
    
    Just sayin’…
    
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    February 19, 2018 5:30pm
- cmm
  
  Perhaps another glimpse might be South Africa.
  
  There was apartheid, but that was years ago and is not what the current struggles are really about.
  
  Whites in NZ do not have a more legitimate claim to the land and jobs etc than whites in South Africa.
  
  * The South African whites have been there for almost 400 years. NZ: less than 250 years, so whites “belong” more in South Africa than in NZ.
  * South African whites did less to crush black history than NZ did to Maori. Even during apartheid Zulu tribal courts etc were supported by the government.
  * All South African black people can still speak their native tongue.
  * More South African whites can speak African languages than NZ whites.
  
  The only real differences I can see are:
  * Interbreeding: Most – if not all – Maori have some European ancestors. That makes it harder to make Maori vs Pakeha into a credible racial issue.
  * Population: If NZ was 90% Maori things would be very different.
  
  Just as Sweden could happen here, so could South Africa.
  
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  February 19, 2018 11:09am
  - stephieboy
    
    cmm , the Bantu and other African populations have been in South Africa for thousand of years before the arrival of Dutch immigrants.
    
    The Maori at least 700 years .
    
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    February 19, 2018 12:17pm
    - Swifty
      
      I thought they current generally accepted date of Maori migration to NZ was 1250 AD.
      
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      February 19, 2018 12:43pm
    - Nermal
      
      Wrong. The first white settlers encountered only Bushmen. The southward migration of African tribes occurred at much the same time as the northward migration of the Boers.
      
      Source: Google
      
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      February 19, 2018 1:28pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nermal , not good enough Google also offers links for citation and sources >
        
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        February 19, 2018 2:24pm
    - cmm
      
      stephie: I’m not sure how that relates to the point I made:
      * Europeans have lived in South Africa since the 1600s – almost as long as Europeans in North America.
      * Europeans have only lived in NZ since 1800s.
      
      Therefore NZ whites have a less legitimate claim to “belonging” that SA whites who have as much “belonging” as American whites (and blacks even less since they came even later).
      
      I am not trying to claim any right for whites in South Africa, just that underline that with a 90% Maori population, and enough agitation, similar things could happen here. I think that is a reasonable thing to point out in the context of the original thread: Could Sweden happen here?
      
      The original people of Southern Africa (Koi San) were in South Africa approx 120,000 years ago and were slowly displaced by Bantu people. They sparsely inhabited the Cape when the Dutch first settled there.
      
      As for Bantu people in South Africa. They only lived in the North and the East – and not in the Cape area. They lived in these areas, because they are the most fertile with the best rainfall etc. and their crops and cattle flourished there. They pushed the Koi San out and took over.
      
      Indeed, the Bantu people still have not fully colonised the area and Cape Town is the only city in Africa that does not have a black majority. It is predominantly Cape Coloured.
      
      While there are still some Koi San in Namibia and the Kalahari areas, they have mostly been absorbed into the mixed-race melting pot known as “Cape Coloureds”.
      
      Cape Coloureds thus have the most claim to being the original people of Southern Africa (and South Africa in particular) and they, generally, get on pretty well with the Europeans.
      
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      February 19, 2018 1:36pm
  - Gabby
    
    What treaties did the boors sign with the locals cmmiebokkie?
    
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    February 19, 2018 3:38pm
DigNap15

Our minister of Poverdy really needs to up her game

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/china-launches-anti-poverty-drive-restive-xinjiang-180218150517058.html

China plans to raise 400,000 people out of poverdy this year.

And you know when China says they will do something, they will do it.
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February 19, 2018 10:42am
- stephieboy
  
  All aid workers ??
  
  China raise 400, 000 ? Keep us informed >
  
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  February 19, 2018 12:19pm
Inandout

Aid workers worldwide are into pedo and sexual exploitation. I can’t comment other than to add I once knew a married guy who often travelled overseas alone to ‘aid children in Africa’. He stayed away for months at a time, had a compliant wife, and one could speculate he had nefarious intent; who knows?.
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February 19, 2018 10:43am
- Gabby
  
  One could speculate about your sexual deviancies on roughly the same basis downanout.
  
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  February 19, 2018 3:40pm
  - Inandout
    
    Except I don’t disappear for months at a time, Grabby.
    
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    February 19, 2018 4:23pm
- MCos
  
  A few years ago somebody looked at my FB profile and stated that because I lived in Thailand I was a pedaphile.
  I knew of white guys over there who drew snide remarks from tourists when they walked around with their own kids when their Thai wives were elsewhere.
  Profiling people on the is dangerous.
  
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  February 19, 2018 4:09pm
  - Inandout
    
    That is why I said ‘who knows’. Apparently the Aid industry has huge problems with dodgy workers.
    
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    February 19, 2018 4:25pm
  - Swifty
    
    Good points.
    
    I’ve experienced that myself.
    
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    February 19, 2018 5:08pm
Stars And Stripes

FWIW I think one of the biggest virtue signalling organisations at the moment is the NZ Rugby Union.
We have had a constant stream of luvvie shit including a “respect and responsibility review” and the specific appointment of a women to handle complaints around inappropriate behaviour because of course a man could ever be trusted with this job in a progressive society.
Their website reads like a government department full of circle jerk stuff such as
“We’re a diverse group of people with a positive mix of different backgrounds, experience, gender and ethnicity”.
Then to top off everything they entered a float in the Pride Parade on the weekend just to show how inclusive and tolerant they are of everyone.
Maybe the All Blacks should wear make up and a skirt in their next game or little gay pride badges on their uniforms just to reinforce the PR tsunami.
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February 19, 2018 11:06am
- cmm
  
  Yup, remember the last Lions tour?
  
  They could all sing the English, Scottish and Welsh national anthems perfectly.
  
  If they’d put that effort into their rugby training they would have won the tour.
  
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  February 19, 2018 11:14am
  - sam green
    
    Are you a Saffa?
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:38pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Racist!
      
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      February 20, 2018 9:55am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Ah yes but the NZRFU are doing penance doncha know.
  
  They’ve had the “I shagged a few cops in my rowdy days” Lousie Nicholas in helping them not all be part of the rape culture.
  
  And I imagine virtue-signalling their inclusiveness and tolerance would’ve been part of the ritual of penance and abasement they’d have had to agree to under her misandry-ous counselling.
  
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  February 20, 2018 9:55am
AgentBallSack

1 week until Griff can reapply for commenting privileges. Make the most of it!
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February 19, 2018 11:53am
RF

Just heard Soper predict that Cindy / Labour will be sitting pretty to return in 2020.

Bull shit….
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February 19, 2018 12:21pm
- DigNap15
  
  Bullshit.
  This from the guy that could not even tell us when asked which way he thought Winston Peters would go!
  
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  February 19, 2018 12:36pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Well, I suspect that Soper can see the ~~swamp~~ caucus is hell-bent on being led by one of their own progressive types instead of JC.
  
  This would be enough to guarantee an extra 3 year term for baby-momma
  
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  February 20, 2018 9:57am
DigNap15

Ditching the straws

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-country/news/article.cfm?c_id=16&objectid=11987932

Remind me not go to these stupid businesses.

I do not litter my straws.
And what about all the other rubbish that ferals drop around the place.
And the people in India and Thailand etc that fill their Ganges river with rubbish and filth.

Get real!
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February 19, 2018 12:35pm
- Gabby
  
  Do you weave carpets from them dipnips?
  
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  February 19, 2018 3:42pm
Chuck Bird

This is a major concern. NZ birthrate is 1.81. Replacement is 2.10. NZ has to either increase its birthrate or depend on immigration just to maintain its population. A combination of both is an option but I believe the focus should be on increasing the birthrate. This would require financial incentives. That may not please some ideologues but can NZ get quality immigrants with the right skills and from a similar culture.

New Zealand’s birth rate at record low

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11997503
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February 19, 2018 12:43pm
- brett68
  
  This is a major concern. NZ birthrate is 1.81. Replacement is 2.10. NZ has to either increase its birthrate or depend on immigration just to maintain its population
  
  Not with automation we don’t, a dropping population is probably a good thing going forward.
  
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  February 19, 2018 12:51pm
- DigNap15
  
  We already give incentives to our own ferals, its called the dpb.
  
  No we won’t be able to get quality immigrants from the right cultures, as they are all in the same problem.
  
  But as another poster said. With automation, robots. AI, etc etc we will not need to many workers in the future.
  
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  February 19, 2018 12:58pm
- simpleton1
  
  Does it really matter if a population reduces?
  Education, Health, is where it is at.
  Per capita GDP is what needs to be increased.
  
  Not more cars, houses, more infra structure, like motorways and roads.
  Currently infrastructure up grades are needed, and that is billions of dollars, that Auckland needs, just to stand still for its sewerage pollution, that is set to take decades to complete.
  Roads are another issue, as a wall of wood wall to be harvested.
  Rail could be up graded, but only if truly accountable. Nor does it travel every where.
  
  When people are ready, then it is easy if they so wish, when they feel more financially secure, with increased GDP (leading to increased wages) to pop out another couple of more children, and to be bought up well !
  
  More houses seems more like a dog chasing its tail, when more people must come in to build, gain citizenship and live.
  In part it is important that houses are up graded, glazing, insulation, and just to allow for the ageing of old houses, being beyond their use by date.
  
  Governments are supposed to be
  by the people
  of the people
  for the people of this country.
  Not by some elitist ideas.
  Look after our own, there are more than enough problems to solve together, with out further complications.
  
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  February 19, 2018 1:07pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    If the population reduces how will super be paid and the extra health care for the elderly?
    
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    February 19, 2018 1:32pm
    - brett68
      
      By 2030 unemployment will be in the mid 20’s and rising.
      How’s the government going to pay for all those unemployed?
      
      If there are no jobs, what do you with these people?
      
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      February 19, 2018 3:36pm
    - simpleton1
      
      Just increasing population is a “ponzi scheme” Pyramid Scam, as our gross GDP seems to have gone up, but not per capita, and the infrastructure has fallen way behind.
      
      Auckland sewerage water system needs billions of $ to be spent. Rates should go up by quite a few $1,000’s of dollars per section/house now !
      I do not see Auckland rate payers putting up their hands but want more borrowings as they are near “underwater” and so a wish for government/taxpayers money.
      
      At the end of the day it will be the GDP per capita, that will up grade necessary infrastructure and whether from taxation on increased GDP per capita or more able to be privately saved, again from increased GDP per capita /per person
      
      The children of today are being taught how to use resources of the people, like the ‘Treaty of Waitangi”, how to use “political science” then that magnificence resource of feminism, that has morphed into equaling all privileges, so that gender can be related to. That way ‘our elitism’ from bureaucracy can continue. 🙂
      
      They want to enslave, control with social engineering, the engineers, mechanics, plumbers, carpenters, electricians, etc, that at this stage of demand, have escaped for now.
      
      Now more tick box inspectors etc. are on the way.
      Immigration will only lower trade wages !, and increase bureaucratic salaries.
      
      GDP will increase, but the value will be different with carrying the elite bureaucracy, with levies, fees, taxes, rates, etc.
      
      Real GDP will allow us to have more freedom, more higher points for who wants to immigrate.
      More attraction to NZ for kiwis to return from OE.
      
      Other wise the “skilled” will move on and so not be contributing to Nz GDP, nor taxes.
      
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      February 19, 2018 3:39pm
    - Jack5
      
      Chuck, the average age cannot keep rising for ever. People still must die.
      
      The present surge in old folk is because of the ageing of the baby-boom bulge from families created soldiers returning from World War 2.
      
      As the baby boomers die off, the increase in NZ’s average age will at least hold, but more likely will fall. Health care does increase longevity, but new threats can always break out to play hell with populations. From the Black Death of olden times, to the Spanish Influenza flu that killed tens of millions, new diseases keep rising. For example, and it’s not worth panicking about, in the last week or two, bird flu has crossed to a human for the first time.
      
      Birthrates change. The fascists in Italy, the Communists in Rumania, and the Nazis in Germany were able to quickly send the birth rate soaring.
      
      Manipulating the tax system in NZ could quickly increase the birth rate of productive people.
      
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      February 19, 2018 5:07pm
- simpleton1
  
  can NZ get quality immigrants with the right skills and from a similar culture.
  ” a similiar culture,” Would that be allowed? Doubt that a line can be drawn.
  Elitism of Diversity is supposed to rule.
  
  If we get desperate, maybe consider the many in South America that like to travel northwards.
  What about “Westward ho”
  Perhaps a chartered passenger ship/plane like “10 pound a pom” would work 🙂
  
  If and when our per capita of GDP rises, then we will be attractive with in our selves, and the overseas kiwis. Particularly when they consider bringing up kids.
  
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  February 19, 2018 1:23pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  This is a major concern.
  
  No! On so many levels no it’s not a problem.
  
  Declining population offers so many benefits:
  a) End of the housing crisis
  b) Lower overall national carbon footprint (having kids explodes one’s C footprint exponentially)
  c) Increasing employment opportunities for the ageing population (we’re fitter older, so lift the age of retirement)
  d) Less stress on the under-pressure infrastructure
  e) Fewer people living under Cindy’s fake poverty measure
  f) Fewer screaming brats at the cafe on Sunday morning
  
  All this bullshit about population is just to allow the re-distribution of 3rd world shitheads from 3rd world shitholes into nice countries. It’s madness.
  
  If you want to increase the population it’s easy. Do it by incentivising breeding by net tax contributors. If your total tax contribution per annum is over a certain threshold then you get a tax holiday if you have kids. 3 months tax holiday for one kid, 5 months for two, 6 for three rug rats.
  
  That way there is no incentive for deadbeats on the dole to breed and a huge incentive for the productive. It increases the likelihood of breeding in productive characteristics instead of the reverse incentives we have in place now.
  
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  February 20, 2018 10:06am
DigNap15

The thing is, muslims want to take over the world and bring Sraria law to everywhere they go.
Their religion hates westerners (infidels)

Nutters who shoot up schools or ex-workplaces do not want to take over the world and will never get to 1% of the population, let alone 50%
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February 19, 2018 12:53pm
Huevon

Crooked is coming on tour to NZ. $195 per head to hear her lies…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11997577

This woman really must slither away into a dark corner and just die. Her continued presence on the public stage is destabilising the US republic. She is a two time loser with no viable future prospects. Her base greed for celebrity status and money speaks volumes about the decline of our culture. Shame on anyone who attends this event.
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February 19, 2018 1:00pm
- dime
  
  BAHAHAHAHA
  
  $195 a ticket… if you pay $250 she promises not to cough all over you.
  
  how often to you get to be in the same room as pure evil though?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmIRYvJQeHM
  
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  February 19, 2018 1:09pm
  - Huevon
    
    Yeah, that’s something you could tell your kids I suppose…Dollars to donuts she gets welcomed on stage by Jacinda.
    
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    February 19, 2018 1:22pm
- Manolo
  
  Eternal shame, indeed! As P.T. Barnum said: a sucker is born every minute. 🙂
  
  Rest assured the venue will be full of gullible youngsters, morons and imbeciles.
  
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  February 19, 2018 2:17pm
- Paulus
  
  Oh Wallah, the glorious Hillary is coming to tell us how she and her crooks were robbed in the Presidential election.
  Cinderella and Helen Clark will love that for a photo op.
  
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  February 19, 2018 2:20pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Oh FFS
  
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  February 20, 2018 10:08am
RF

Dear god.

It’s bad enough listening to the commie chick rabbiting on and now we have crooked Hillary arriving here on a speaking tour…

Maybe our commie chick is calling for reinforcements from the left…
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February 19, 2018 1:01pm
- rangitoto
  
  Has anyone told Hillary that NZ has an extradition treaty with the US? On second thought, maybe she heard how easy it has been for Dot Crim to avoid extradition.
  
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  February 19, 2018 1:18pm
- Inandout
  
  Just $495 top price ticket to sell her book. She may be arrested before hand of course.
  
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  February 19, 2018 1:50pm
DigNap15

I have always believed that we need a bigger population.

Of good, well educated people. And of course not all in Auckland

Say from 10 to 20 million in total would be good.

The reasons are endless.
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February 19, 2018 1:15pm
rangitoto

Global warming activity?

http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2018/02/18/fight-over-mans-flatulence-forces-flight-to-make-emergency-landing.html
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February 19, 2018 1:23pm
- Gabby
  
  You always pack a cork don’t you rangidodo.
  
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  February 19, 2018 3:48pm
Poppa

So is the National caucus vote tomorrow?

I have voted National since voting for Bob Jones whenever that was, but if they select Bridges I am out. I will not vote at the next election.

Or at a pinch I could vote Act
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February 19, 2018 1:23pm
- Inandout
  
  Me too, perhaps another Party right of centre.
  
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  February 19, 2018 1:51pm
- Manolo
  
  Wishy-washy Simon Bridges will preside over the demise of the National Party. After chameleon JK anything is possible.
  
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  February 19, 2018 2:03pm
- lifesgood
  
  I really don’t believe Bridges will get it. At least I hope not. I’d expect more of the National caucus.
  
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  February 19, 2018 6:01pm
Hugh Pavletich

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/02/nab-tightens-loan-income-limits/#comment-3052010

NAB (National Australia Bank) tightens loan-to-income limits – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/02/nab-tightens-loan-income-limits/

… Pavletich comment on thread …

LEARNING FROM THE IRISH 2007 HOUSING CRASH … THE SEVERE COSTS OF MULTIPLE STRETCH …

It’s high multiple lending that ‘does in’ the Banks and their customers … as they learned with the Irish housing bubble collapse in 2007.

When the housing bubble burst there … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts exceeding 70 billion euro or about $NZ 109 billion (note interview with Prof Bill Black and others link below).

Irish housing across its metros on average went from 4.7 times annual household income in 2007 to 2.8 a few years later … refer the schedule of Demographia Surveys at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .

Australia is currently 5.9 times … New Zealand 5.8.

What was the capital base of the Irish Banks in 2006 and 2007 ?

If a 4.7 unweighted median multiple across its metros blew the Irish banks out of the water, how come the Australian and New Zealand ones are supposed to survive 5.9 and 5.8 respectively ?

Following the bust, the Central Bank of Ireland found in subsequent research, it was high income multiple lending (more so than high loan to value lending) that did the most damage to the Irish Banks … and it imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times gross annual household incomes.

A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times.

In normal housing markets house prices should not exceed 3.0 times annual household income, requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times (Demographia Survey http://www.demographia.com ).

Prof Bill Black & others discussing the Irish financial system performance may be of interest … Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
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February 19, 2018 2:24pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  The CBA says the days of soaring house price growth in Australia are over | Business Insider
  
  https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-house-price-forecasts-cba-2018-2
  
  House price growth in Australia has been slowing in recent months, led by Sydney and Melbourne, Australia’s largest and most expensive property markets.
  
  That trend looks set to continue, says the Commonwealth Bank, driven by tighter lending standards from Australia’s banking regulator, APRA, along with weak wage growth, affordability constraints, an increase in apartment supply and, eventually, higher mortgage rates.
  
  “We believe the headwinds for housing prices will strengthen through 2018,” says Michael Workman, senior economist at the CBA, adding that “cycles will vary across the capitals”. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  February 19, 2018 3:20pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … New Zealand update …
    
    ANZ economists see house prices being capped by affordability constraints and new Government measures | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/92195/anz-economists-see-house-prices-being-capped-affordability-constraints-and-new
    
    ANZ economists don’t believe the recent uptick in house prices will result in a full-blown resurgence, and think that prices will be capped to a degree by affordability constraints and various measures proposed by the new Government. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
    
    http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
    
    … extract …
    
    Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
    
    Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
    
    Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1801/S00070/demographia-international-housing-affordability-survey.htm
    
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    February 19, 2018 3:36pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/02/nab-tightens-loan-income-limits/#comment-3052166 … and …
      
      … Things are on a roll in New Zealand … with the can do government replacing the can kicking one ! …
      
      Housing Minister Phil Twyford says he’s planning a workshopping event for representatives of the finance community and players in the development and construction sector to help crack NZ’s problems around infrastructure financing | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/92190/housing-minister-phil-twyford-says-hes-planning-workshopping-event-representatives
      
      The Government is planning to bring together players from the finance community with people representing development and construction interests to hammer out a plan to solve New Zealand’s infrastructure financing problems.
      
      Minister of Housing Phil Twyford says the event will be going ahead “within the next couple of months”, but details are limited at this stage.
      
      Last week, Twyford said lack of access to capital is “crippling the supply of houses,” adding that one of the Government’s biggest priorities is cracking down on the problems around infrastructure financing.
      
      “There is a planet of cash out there that would love to invest in our cities’ growth, but they have no way of doing it at the moment.” … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      February 19, 2018 4:05pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Workshopping event’
        Is that like a conversation?
        Are you saying Twyford doesn’t have a plan yet?
        Well apart from planning a work shopping event.
        Four months in. No RMA reform yet.
        
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        February 19, 2018 4:09pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All On Red …. Sort out the land supply and infrastructure financing / process issues first … then further down the track deal with the land use law.
        
        The RMA is very poor quality law indeed, as Stephen Franks explained around 3 years ago now …
        
        Banal business naivete on politics (and the RMA and Councils) … Stephen Franks
        
        http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/banal-business-naivete-on-politics-and-councils/
        
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        February 19, 2018 6:41pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/02/macro-afternoon-365/#comment-3052377 … and …
        
        Labour soars to highest level in 15 years in new 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton poll | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/labour-soars-highest-level-in-15-years-new-1-news-colmar-brunton-poll
        
        Support for Labour has jumped strongly in the latest 1 NEWS Colmar Brunton political poll.
        
        The party is at 48 per cent, up nine points on its December poll result, its highest level in 15 years.
        
        And it now has a clear lead over National which has slipped three points since December to be at 43 per cent. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
        
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        February 19, 2018 8:34pm
Manolo

Trump is not happy with the FBI:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/374444-trumps-anger-boils-over-with-russia-probe

President Trump vented his anger with the Russia investigation late Saturday night and Sunday morning, declaring that “they are laughing their asses off in Moscow” over the ongoing probe into Moscow’s interference in the 2016 election.

In a remarkable burst of tweets sent from his Mar-a-Lago resort, the president blamed the Obama administration for not doing enough to deter Russia and claimed he never denied the meddling took place — all while undercutting his own national security adviser who said Saturday that the interference is now “beyond dispute.”
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February 19, 2018 2:25pm
- Gabby
  
  How does he know what they’re doing in Moscow manuro? Guess he must still be in contact.
  
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  February 19, 2018 3:50pm
  - Inandout
    
    You are an imbecile Grabby.
    
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    February 19, 2018 4:29pm
    - Gabby
      
      You’re a chunderhead downanout.
      
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      February 20, 2018 8:26am
Rodney Randall

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/female-circumcision-should-be-allowed-by-law-member-of-irelands-islamic-cultural-centre-36585441.html

“Female circumcision “has been described in a horrible way” and should be considered in certain circumstances, a member of the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland has said.
Dr Ali Selim called female circumcision “an inherited practice” and said parents should be allowed to have it carried out on their daughter if a doctor says it’s necessary.
He also said that you “cannot control people” and people will travel overseas for the procedure.

Female circumcision, also known as female genital mutilation (FGM), is defined as the partial of total destruction of female genitalia for non-medical reasons and was made illegal here in 2012.
FGM has been carried out on an estimated 200 million girls around the world, including nearly 6,000 in Ireland.”

https://twitter.com/Ayaan/status/965418020905672704

R.I.P. Ireland
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February 19, 2018 4:05pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Whereas Iceland proposes to ban male circumcisions, over the objection of its Jewish and Muslim folk.
  https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/feb/18/iceland-ban-male-circumcision-first-european-country
  
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  February 19, 2018 4:11pm
Andrei

Jaffa problems – gotta find a reason to whine
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February 19, 2018 4:19pm
Rodney Randall

https://rationaloptimist.wordpress.com/2014/07/15/ayaan-hirsi-ali-female-genital-mutilation-and-islam-warning-graphic-content/

“Infidel graphically describes Hirsi Ali’s own mutilation at age eight: cutting out the clitoris and labia, usually without preparation or anaesthetic – obviously exceedingly painful and traumatic. The wound is sewn up, so scar tissue forms to largely close the vaginal opening.** Lifelong pain and complications are common. The death rate is significant.

Hirsi Ali says that “excision” doesn’t even actually keep girls from wanting sex. In her own case, reading novels – specially Harlequin romances! – revved up her hormones, and she fell in love and into a quickie quasi-legal marriage with a cousin. She lusted for him – but the wedding night was a grotesque disappointment.

What I never realized until reading her book is that for sex the man must tear through the scar tissue sealing the opening, and not only is this of course agony for the girl (it took her weeks to recover), it’s really hard work for him (often an extended process, even requiring a knife). Images Ccan’t be much fun for men either. Maybe the frustration helps explain all the wife beating and other “Muslim rage.”
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February 19, 2018 4:32pm
- stephieboy
  
  Rodney Randall , female mutilation was a traditional African custom and not confined to Muslim Countries . For example it was widely practiced in British East Africa and Uganda ( majority Christian nation )
  
  http://www.monitor.co.ug/artsculture/Reviews/Female-circumcision–Uganda-still-has-a-long-way/691232-2614430-m6ytpoz/index.html
  
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  February 19, 2018 4:43pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Terrific stuff Mr T
    
    Would you be interested at all Ralph in starting up an FGM centre at St. Albans the Martyr! Maybe in the yoga room below!
    
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    February 19, 2018 4:54pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    How about this wonderful ‘traditional’ Ugandan practice Ralph?
    
    https://www.voanews.com/a/uganda-murders-women-ritual-killing/4020709.html
    
    Fancy a bit of that at St Albans too?
    
    Our lives could be enriched 10 fold by these wonderful traditional practices from all over the globe. Let’s change our laws to reflect the diversity we are so lacking in the west.
    
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    February 19, 2018 5:04pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Rodney Randall ,obviously as an erstwhile Christian nation Uganda needs more effort in eliminating any barbaric customs including FGM .
      
      But you’ve seemed to grasped the point that it is not an Islamic practice as such
      
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      February 19, 2018 6:26pm
      - simpleton1
        
        Female Genital Mutilation, following islam like a stench, in the tradition of islamic spread. Deniers of islamic practice also have a putrid stench.
        
        Historical records suggest female circumcision in Indonesia started and became prevalent with the arrival of Islam in the 13th century as part of its drive to convert people to Islam. In islands of Indonesia, where partial populations converted to Islam in the 17th century, FGM has been prevalent in Muslim females only. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_female_genital_mutilation_by_country#cite_ref-219
        
        An islamic tradition, following the advise and guidance of Mohammad, introduced to Indonesia!
        Can Mohammad’s advice found in an authoritative hadith,
        Sunan Abu Dawood 41.5251: Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah has handed down to us: A woman practised circumcision in Medina. The Prophet said to her: “Do not cut her severely, for this is better for the woman and more desirable for the husband.”
        Only to make the cut a bit easier. Can Mohammad’s words be denied?.
        Even over a morning cup of tea at the end of this month?
        
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        February 19, 2018 6:38pm
      - simpleton1
        
        erstwhile
        synonyms: former, old, past, one-time, sometime, as was, ex-, late, then; previous, prior, foregoing;
        
        So where that ritual killing was done shows that the hold of Christianity has been left behind.
        
        Sad to say killing and slavery is ritually islamic.
        
        Mohsin Khan: So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives).
        
        Perhaps those words are in the minds of those killers.
        
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        February 19, 2018 6:58pm
  - cmm
    
    stephie: You are correct that this barbaric practice was practiced throughout Northern Africa (from about Kenya/Uganda up).
    
    However what surely matters more is what is happening NOW.
    
    For that, the Muslim countries are a cut above the rest:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_genital_mutilation#/media/File:FGM_prevalence_15%E2%80%9349_(2016).jpg
    
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    February 19, 2018 5:05pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      What is relevant here is that the person recommending FGM is in IRELAND, not some African nation.
      
      Further he is suggesting that Doctors should get themselves involved in the practice.
      
      How long before someone starts saying FGM should be legalised in Britain, NZ, USA, Australia, Canada, Europe?
      
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      February 19, 2018 5:20pm
      - Swifty
        
        Overseas experience shows that ‘certain’ Muslim doctors become the go to guys for parents – and they just rubber stamp this barbarity.
        
        Frankly I don’t give a monkey’s about religious or cultural ‘traditions’. There are all sorts of things religious traditions that have fallen by the wayside over the centuries. Many of which the religious would be horrified at if they existed today.
        
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        February 19, 2018 5:38pm
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm, ff you had bothered to take look at closer look at your link there are people like Somali womens right advocate Edna Adan Ismail who have and are continuing to spearhead campaigns to have the practice abolished in her home land and in East Africa ,
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edna_Adan_Ismail
      
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      February 19, 2018 6:38pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Yes cmm it was a featured act of simulating the act in dance form by an African Dance Troup that toured a few years ago. A barbaric act immortalised in dance national dance form?
      
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      February 20, 2018 2:24am
  - simpleton1
    
    The Ulema are a bunch of high level islamic scholars.
    
    Jakarta (AsiaNews) – The practice is “recommended” and according to “tradition”, although it can not be made compulsory. For the head of the MUI it is within the “human rights” and is “guaranteed by the Constitution.”……
    The Indonesian Council of Ulema (MUI) is in favour of female circumcision (and men) ,,,,, it is still “morally recommended.” This is shown by the words of the leader of the largest Islamic organization in the most populous Muslim country in the world. He warns, however, to avoid “excesses”, coming to the removal or cutting of the clitoris. [same as Mohammad said] http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Indonesian-Ulema-in-favour-of-female-circumcision:-a-human-right-26948.html
    
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    February 19, 2018 5:49pm
    - stephieboy
      
      simpleton, 1 obviously more work of the kind that womens’s rights activists Edna Adan Ismail of Somalia needs to be done in Indonesia .
      
      An obscure publication I’ ve never hard of before but maybe you can enlighten me ?
      
      Help is on the way as Indonesia seeks to ban Female Genital Mutilation ,
      
      Indonesia Seeks End to Female Genital Mutilation
      
      https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/09/26/indonesia-seeks-end-female-genital-mutilation
      
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      February 19, 2018 6:43pm
      - simpleton1
        
        From your link, that reaffirms my link that the ulema will keep control,
        
        The campaign is just the latest government effort to end FGM. The government banned the practice in 2006, but buckled to pressure from Islamic organizations in 2010 and issued a regulation allowing FGM “if it is carried out by medical professionals, such as doctors, midwives and nurses.” The government repealed that regulation in 2014, but has not specified penalties for those who carry out FGM.
        
        Your link about the Indonesia shows an up grade in hygiene. That does not cover the islamic stench behind fgm. So it is a lot of bark, and no bite, by the government as islam’s ulema retains its hold.
        Come on, just deny Mohammad, and say “the perfect man” was wrong, in saying not to cut ‘excessively’.
        
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        February 19, 2018 7:11pm
Happychappy

Have we got a Bruton Colmar One News Poll tonight and has Jacinda killed off National and Winston First.
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February 19, 2018 5:49pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Bad news , Labour is at 48 percent 🙁 Good news NZ1 is at 3 percent and the greens on 5 percent. Will this make the greens think twice about supporting the Waka Jumping bill or the kermadecs and their oath of silence. They will have to carve out a difference to get any points back especially since shaw is devoid of any charisma. Surely Greens have to start protesting more. And looking forward to seeing Winston while Jacinda is on Maternity leave (mwhahahaha ) Should be a train wreck.
  
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  February 19, 2018 6:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Alarming fall in maths skills in NZ Primary schools
https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2018632640/ero-urges-action-on-alarming-maths-decline

Gee and it was only a week or so ago that I was slammed for having “moral outrage” about kids needing to take times table tests.
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February 19, 2018 5:51pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Agree Maggie, I am also concerned. But in the article they think the answer is not to stream! The maths teaching in primary school is almost non-existent. They teach to learning gaps I was told last term. So if your kid is ahead they might not sit with the teacher in a same ability group for weeks. Meanwhile plenty of time for assemblys and environment studies and art. Streaming is good. I have kids who are above and behind and it’s not fun being in a group that is way too hard or way too easy. Every kid should work in a small group with the teacher on maths at least every other day. I would make it a kpi.
  
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  February 19, 2018 6:30pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I can’t wait for NZ to go the route that Britain is adopting…. copying the Chinese model of having specialist Primary Maths teachers to deliver the primary maths curriculum.
    
    There are too many primary teachers in NZ who just cannot teach maths.
    As a secondary school science/physics teacher, I saw too many lads arriving ar secondary school ill-equipped to cope with secondary school maths.
    
    As a mother, I had one daughter who received a pretty good primary school maths grounding.. and one that received fair to average (for NZ) maths teaching at primary school. I’d never have put either of them up against a kid who had had primary maths education in Russia, Finland, Singapore, Japan, S.Korea, Taiwan or even at a Kenyan refugee camp.
    
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    February 19, 2018 7:58pm
    - Surely Knott
      
      That should be a policy the Nats should campaign on! I would vote for that.
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:35pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        This is really the first time I have seen ERO and Maths educators admitting that it is our primary teachers that are not up to it with regard to teaching primary-level maths.
        
        Primary school teachers had to be proficient up to level 4 of the New Zealand curriculum, which meant understanding and teaching fractions, percentages and decimals.
        
        “A lot of primary teachers would not say they were happy about teaching maths,” Franckom said.
        
        “Teachers have problems with certain aspects of maths teaching because of the way they were taught through their own schooling. It kind of comes back to bite them.”
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/101561537/primary-pupils-maths-skills-dropping-alarmingly-report-finds
        We’ve had all sorts of excuses and weasel words up until now.
        (plus, the ill-informed comments that all is well with Primary maths teaching in NZ)
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:43pm
lifesgood

I am teaching my grandson the time tables. He gets a small reward for each one he achieves. He loves it and is proud when he achieves one of the tables. We are up to the 5 times now. I have to do it because the teachers bloody don’t. I am giving him precious life skills that the useless teaching profession isn’t.
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February 19, 2018 5:57pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Show him Mathletics.
  http://nz.mathletics.com
  All the kids at our local Schools do it. If he likes Maths he’ll get into earning the points and competing with others.
  
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  February 19, 2018 6:01pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Thanks! I’ll have a look. He loves Maths.
    
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    February 19, 2018 6:42pm
    - Happychappy
      
      lifesgood buy a dart board and some darts and spend some time having fun with adding, subtracting and multiplying this is a good way to get them to focus.
      
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      February 19, 2018 7:18pm
      - Grant
        
        Or just as good – a cribbage board!
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        February 19, 2018 7:35pm
      - RalphT
        
        Or the TAB…
        
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        February 19, 2018 8:35pm
Awww C-mon

Stephie-bitch.

Aside from just being a half-arsed troll with no redeeming features, your behaviour to one of KB’s finest Maggie has been poor for sometime.

You have also tried it on pretty damn hard with AOR.

I didn’t agree with her threatening to out you in your private life due to behaviour on this blog.

However if you continue to bully the ladies here I think I will take the opportunity to reconsider.

I am not wanting to be KB’s policeman, nor a keyboard warrior making threats online. But I think Ralphie it’s time you started respecting your fellow bloggers.
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February 19, 2018 6:20pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stephieboy reminds me of Ralph S. Mouse for some strange reason:
  
  Ralph S. Mouse is a children’s novel by Beverly Cleary. It features Ralph, a mouse with the ability to speak, but only with certain people, who tend to be loners.
  …
  Ralph is discovered by Ryan’s classmates, who adopt him as a class pet, and decide to see how smart he is by building a maze for him to run through. All this time, Ryan is having difficulty with an aggressive boy named Brad from his class, who accidentally breaks Ralph’s motorcycle, and Ralph blames Ryan and runs away to hide in the school. However, Ralph also confronts Brad for breaking his motorcycle, and Brad, realizing that Ralph can talk, offers to set things right for both him and Ryan. Ryan and Brad discover that they have much in common, and become friends. Ryan reclaims Ralph, and brings him home on the school bus on the day that his new friend comes with him to visit at the inn. Brad also atones for his destruction of Ralph’s treasured motorcycle by giving him a model Laser XL7 sports car. Ralph discovers that he can’t move the car by making the same noise as his motorcycle; he has to go “vroom-vroom” instead.
  
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  February 19, 2018 6:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  Awww C-mon, I will continually to challenge and dispute poster whom I consider put forward unsound or rubbish opinions ( whether so called ladies or not )
  
  And those like you who seek to break/hack posters privacy and non de plumes .
  
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  February 19, 2018 6:50pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    I didnt seek to break anything, I told AOR at the time I thought it was out of order. However I am reconsidering due solely to your behaviour.
    
    By all means argue opinions and points, and I am the least of those who should argue manners. But you are bullying people. I by people I mean Maggie.
    
    And my Dear old Dad, Bless his soul, would not allow me to stand by when men bullied women.
    
    Maggie is likely to tear me a new one for these posts, but I’m calling it like I see it, and I see you being a dick.
    
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    February 19, 2018 6:56pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    I will continually to challenge and dispute poster whom I consider put forward unsound or rubbish opinions ( whether so called ladies or not )
    
    Like this you mean?
    
    Wacky Weed , some further examples of those ” 58 “so called scientific papers from” dipyyourwickzone” ?
    LOL
    
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    February 19, 2018 6:58pm
  - Swifty
    
    Stephieboy – still waiting for your response on the firearms thread, from earlier today.
    
    You’re not ducking away like a coward are you?
    
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    February 19, 2018 7:32pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “Why Americans Started Buying Military-Style Weapons Like the One Used in the Florida Shooting”
      
      “It’s become a sadly familiar American routine. The shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., bore many of the hallmarks of the other school shootings that have shocked the nation over the course of the last weeks, months and years. Among those similarities was the weapon used by accused shooter Nikolas Cruz: the AR-15.
      
      This semiautomatic version of the U.S. military’s M-16 infantry rifle and similar weapons have been used in most of the deadliest mass shootings in the last decade, including the one at Sandy Hook Elementary School. In some states like Florida, they’re easier to buy than a handgun.
      
      So how did a military-style weapon become so widespread among civilians?….”
      
      http://time.com/5162573/ar-15-history-mass-shootings/
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:46pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Awww C-mon, I will continually to challenge and dispute poster
    
    Smearing and abusing someone in a public forum is not the same as challenging or disputing information they have posted.
    
    Do you recognise the difference?
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:35pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggy W , for goodness sake when have abused and smeared you ?
      
      Learn to get life and get over yourself
      
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      February 19, 2018 8:52pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @ Aww-Cmon
  
  I didn’t agree with her threatening to out you in your private life due to behaviour on this blog.
  
  You are confused.
  I have specifically stated on here that I have no intention of outing anyone.
  I do not and have not threatened anyone.
  I believe stephiboy’s identity has been revealed by someone else.
  I am not interested in the identity of anonymous abusers. If someone wants to abuse me under the cloak of anonymity, then that’s all the information I need about the type of person they are.
  
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  February 19, 2018 7:09pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Sorry Maggie, I was referring to AOR when she debated contacting people in SB’s life. I was aware you didnt agree.
    
    I’m sorry for potentially crossing the line with these posts.
    
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    February 19, 2018 7:14pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Actually Stephie outed himself.
    
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    February 19, 2018 7:15pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Untrue !
      
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      February 19, 2018 7:30pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Yeah ya did, No-one here is getting there Sherlock Holmes badge for putting the dots together champ
        
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        February 19, 2018 7:32pm
      - sooty
        
        Does stephieboy have a thing against females.
        
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        February 19, 2018 8:30pm
      - stephieboy
        
        sooty , a thing against females ? Nope
        
        However some here seem to have a lot of hang-ups in that respect .
        
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        February 19, 2018 8:54pm
      - Gabby
        
        does sooky have a thing
        does sweaty or stinky know
        
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        February 20, 2018 8:14am
Viking2

Ya gunna luv this.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/101565357?cid=facebook.post.101565357

Failed US presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton is to visit New Zealand in May.

The former secretary of state will be travelling to Auckland on May 7, then on to Australia, to give “a series of three exclusive and intimate events”.

Ticket prices ranged from $195 for an upper-level seat to $495 for a floor seat.

Clinton’s visit was organised by Australian business event provider The Growth Faculty, and is part of the organisations “Women World Changers” speaker series.
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February 19, 2018 6:45pm
Viking2

and even worse

The Labour Party has had a rapid rise in the polls but at the expense of its coalition and supply and confidence partners.

The 1News/Colmar Brunton poll on Monday night had Labour at 48 per cent, up nine per cent on the last poll in December while National fell three per cent to 43 per cent.

Labour’s new heights are the best result the party’s had in 15 years of Colmar Brunton polling.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101581173/labour-and-prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-take-the-lead-in-new-poll

But Labour has picked up popularity from its coalition partner NZ First, which dropped two per cent to three and supply and confidence partner, the Greens, which also dropped two per cent to five per cent.
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February 19, 2018 6:46pm
- nasska
  
  Just how thick are those who take part in these polls?
  
  About five months since the election & the only action to date is a thick coating of fairy dust, a media with lock jaw & the business community putting up the shutters.
  
  The entire house of cards is built on kichie kitchie coos over an airhead’s pregnancy!
  
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  February 19, 2018 6:55pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Yeah, I just don’t get it Nasska,
    
    SWMBO assures me its solely due to Womans Weekly.
    
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    February 19, 2018 6:59pm
    - nasska
      
      There are hormonal excesses & strange pulsations in the fallopian tubes of the nation AC.
      
      The impending birth has completely fucked the reasoning of all with a glut of X chromosomes!
      
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      February 19, 2018 7:07pm
  - stevedawgnz
    
    http://www.labour.org.nz/100_days
    
    “nothing”
    
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    February 19, 2018 7:01pm
    - Gabby
      
      ruff.
      
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      February 20, 2018 8:13am
  - Kimbo
    
    In the main Kiwi swinging voters are fair-minded but non political, hence minor parties loose support between election campaigns as they lack the oxygen of publicity. So governments only forfeit support when they are clearly incompetent in some way. As, contrary to we political tragics who inhabit Kiwiblog, the new Labour/Ardern-led government did not have the chance to do much that was clearly incompetent over the Xmas/New Year “silly season” and the kick off of the political year at Waitangi, they have been rewarded. Is the benefit of incumbency and the oxygen Ardern’s media-friendly personality and pregnancy is gaining.
    
    A good reminder to National as they choose their new leader – Peters and NZ First are more likely than not to miss out in 2020, so the competence of Ardern and her entire coalition government are the real target.
    
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    February 19, 2018 7:33pm
  - stephieboy
    
    nasska and V2 , this all seems too much for both of you . Both visit your quacks and seek asylum at the nearest North Korean Embassy !
    
    LOL
    
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    February 19, 2018 7:46pm
- DigNap15
  
  Yes, but National has also dropped 3 per cent so Labour would have picked up most of those!
  
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  February 19, 2018 7:16pm
Andrei

Tweet of the day
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February 19, 2018 6:47pm
- stephieboy
  
  Andrei , response of the day ins response to that tweet ,
  
  Replying to @realDonaldTrump
  
  “Just show us your tax return and the majority of this could be put to rest.”
  
  and this ,
  
  “Every president for 60 years has released his tax returns. Why? Because it matters if he is deeply indebted to, say, Russians. College transcripts hardly carry that gravitas.”
  
  LOL
  
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  February 19, 2018 6:52pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You liking that is a good example of how ignorant you are.
    If you want to know Trumps income, where it comes from, what he owns, the debt on it and who he owes the debt to, then all you have to look at is the Presidential Candidate Disclosures.
    It’s on line. Next to Clinton’s and Steins. You’ve been told this before.
    I guess this post of yours hasn’t aged well huh.
    ‘,I will continually to challenge and dispute poster whom I consider put forward unsound or rubbish opinions’
    Hahahahahahaha, you’re so dumb.
    
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    February 19, 2018 7:01pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , your reassurances are glib and naive This is where are still at ,
      
      Factsheet: Donald Trump’s tax returns,
      
      “Donald Trump has said repeatedly that there isn’t much new information to learn in his tax returns, defending his much-derided decision not to make them public. Yet just three pages of his 1995 tax returns, uncovered by the New York Times this past weekend, reveal significant facts.
      
      In 1995, Trump reported a $916 million loss, according to the three pages of returns obtained and verified by the New York Times in September. These losses stemmed from significant financial problems across many of Trump’s businesses in the 1990s, including at least four major bankruptcies. “
      
      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/oct/03/donald-trump-tax-returns-factsheet/
      
      “Hahahahahahaha, you’re so dumb.’??
      
      Just update us with the construction blueprints of the 1900 mile Mexican Border wall ??
      
      LMAO
      
      Sigh !
      
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      February 19, 2018 7:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It’s 700 miles not 1900 and the final wall version is about to be confirmed.
        So all is going well.
        The information in the returns is all if not more than you would see in a Tax Return.
        Here they are.
        https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/financial-disclosures
        Stephieboy- Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator
        And soon to be St Albans most embarrassed parishoner?
        Heh
        
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        February 19, 2018 7:32pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red ,
        
        There are none so gullible ( like you ) who so uncritically believe
        
        “ Donald Trump says his financial disclosures more than make up for lack of releasing tax returns”
        
        Our ruling
        
        “ …Trump said that he has “released the most extensive financial review of anybody in the history of politics. … You don’t learn much in a tax return.”
        
        Trump did release an extensive (and legally required) document detailing his personal financial holdings. However, experts consider that a red herring. Unlike all presidential nominees since 1980, Trump has not released his tax returns, which experts say would offer valuable details on his effective tax rate, the types of taxes he paid, and how much he gave to charity, as well as a more detailed picture of his income-producing assets.
        
        Trump’s statement is inaccurate. We rate it False.”
        
        http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/07/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-his-financial-disclosures-more-m/
        
        Just give us the construction start date with blueprints then we will believe .
        
        Snigger !
        
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        February 19, 2018 7:39pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ha, you didn’t even look at them did you Frank.
        As for Politifact, they would say that, wouldn’t they.
        But as has been said before. Your opinions and views are worthless.
        I really do hope someone brings your behaviour to the Church’s attention. You do need help.
        
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        February 19, 2018 7:55pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , need help ?
        
        You just focus on yourself attending to your own needs/inadequacies !
        
        Just provide supporting evidence and facts that contradicts Polti fact’s claims ?
        
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        February 19, 2018 8:05pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Trump’s tax returns are safely put away for future reference along with:
    – Obama’s real birth certificate
    – Hillary’s health records
    – Jacinda’s integrity
    – Helen Clark’s sexuality
    – Bill Clinton’s respect for women
    
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    February 20, 2018 10:16am
Viking2

During her second week waitressing at a barbecue restaurant in Sydney, a customer asked Yating Yang if she was Chinese. “No, I’m Taiwanese,” she said.

Her boss, who was from mainland China, never gave her another shift.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/world/australia/china-taiwan-discrimination.html

Is this happening here?
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February 19, 2018 7:17pm
DigNap15

I do wish there was a NZ GD and a rest of the world GD
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February 19, 2018 7:17pm
- nasska
  
  I can’t understand the fixation the Left & their unwashed hangers-on have for Yank politics, especially those concerned with Trump. Mainly because:
  
  1) In general Kiwis don’t vote in USA elections. Ergo, it’s none of our business & even if it was our opinions change less than nothing.
  
  2) It’s sufficiently boring as to send the average reader into a welcomed coma. Reading the rehashed crap would bore the most devoted of political tragics shitless.
  
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  February 19, 2018 7:47pm
  - SGA
    
    @nasska
    
    I can’t understand the fixation the Left & their unwashed hangers-on have for Yank politics, especially those concerned with Trump.
    
    On the other hand, Trump seems to have a fan base of Kiwis here on KB that seem equally fixated.
    And, like you. I am left wondering why because –
    
    In general Kiwis don’t vote in USA elections. Ergo, it’s none of our business & even if it was our opinions change less than nothing.
    
    What makes the pro- and anti-Trump camps all the more interesting is that some seem to have a rudimentary grasp of how the US political system works (and I’m far from an expert myself).
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:03pm
    - nasska
      
      Some here have even got the basics of MMP but every time an election rolls around we have experts splitting their vote & voting for idiots to give their natural party a backbone.
      
      My point,essentially, is that the arcane Yank political system should only be of academic interest to NZ. The practise of American politics is about as relevant to us as the mating habits of wildebeest.
      
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      February 19, 2018 8:15pm
      - SGA
        
        The practise of American politics is about as relevant to us as the mating habits of wildebeest.
        
        Unless in the throes of passion said wildebeest start a stampede (either economic or military). They have the ability to screw us as well as each other 🙂
        
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        February 19, 2018 8:39pm
      - Gabby
        
        It’s like that nasty dose of the clap nutsack, it’s not just about you, it’s all those misguided, blind, olfactorily deprived partners you’ve ‘traded’ with, and all their partners as well, and so on.
        
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        February 20, 2018 8:07am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And, like you. I am left wondering why because –
      
      I believe it is all to do with virtue signalling.
      
      It is fashionable to belong to a camp that is “anti-Trump”.
      
      What I find particularly amusing is that I have been the one who has had the “king-hits” with all the alt-right Trumpeter smears on this blog and I NEVER commented on any of DPF’s posts on the US Elections.
      I made one comment on a GD that the US citizens didn’t have much of a choice.
      
      And that’s about the sum total of my interest in US politics.
      
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      February 19, 2018 8:28pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “ It is fashionable to belong to a camp that is “anti-Trump”.
        
        Not terribly hard to do .
        
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        February 19, 2018 8:56pm
      - Swifty
        
        Also, how long have you had your firearms license?
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:19pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Well there is the fact that the largest cultural and political influence on the Western world is the USA.
    
    But then part of NZ’s problem is that we think we’re totally unconnected to the rest of the world and we can do stupid stuff in our own little test tube without anything boiling over to impact on our national interests in the global context.
    
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    February 20, 2018 10:18am
DigNap15

I know the US election is important, but it goes on and on.
And the Trump, FBI, Russian things just bores the shit out of me.
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February 19, 2018 7:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  DigNap15 , a quest for the truth often pans out like that .
  
  BTW , what excites you Jacinda , Judith or …???
  
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  February 19, 2018 8:08pm
  - Swifty
    
    Stephieboy – still waiting for your response on the firearms thread, from earlier today.
    
    You’re not ducking away like a coward are you?
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:12pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Swifty , what response ?
      
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      February 19, 2018 8:57pm
      - Swifty
        
        You originally said (at 12.05pm) “Owning a semi automatic requires not only a police licence but a special endorsement for the same .”
        
        This is clearly incorrect.
        
        Will you now admit that you were wrong?
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Swifty , I ve duly responded !
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:28pm
      - Swifty
        
        Ah, I thought as much – you haven’t a clue about firearms and you think ‘semi auto’ and ‘MSSA’ refer to the same thing.
        
        Then what is this?:
        
        http://www.browning.com/products/firearms/rifles/bar/current-production/bar-mark-ii-safari.html
        
        There are tens of thousands of semi-autos in NZ both rifles and shotguns – all legally owned by A Category license holders and including these:
        
        https://www.guncity.com/223-colt-ar15-m4-16-expanse-327533
        
        Now what have you got to say for yourself?
        
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        February 19, 2018 9:45pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @swifty,
        
        Whew, that was a marathon effort.
        
        I’m afraid there will be little recall in the days to come if you remind stephieboy of his confusion about the licensing of Sporting-SAs and MSSAs in NZ.
        
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        February 19, 2018 10:36pm
  - sooty
    
    Creepy, stupidboy!
    
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    February 19, 2018 8:16pm
    - stephieboy
      
      When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff.
      
      Marcus Tullius Cicero
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:05pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Sinking every immigrant ship
    Bombing Mecca
    Burning down every madrassa
    
    just little things like that excite me
    
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    February 19, 2018 9:16pm
    - stephieboy
      
      What about rounding it out by nuking the Middle East etc ?
      
      Stupid things amuse stupid people !
      
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      February 19, 2018 9:30pm
      - DigNap15
        
        Thanks for that it is a good idea.
        But may be a bit extreme!
        One US politician wanted to do that in the 70’s I think.
        
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        February 20, 2018 8:44am
Tauhei Notts

Okay, I know talking about the weather is deadly boring, but a chat with a bloke who has lived all of his 62 years in our town.
27 degrees and drizzling rain! Unheard of.
I think my lawn grew nearly 2 centimetres last night. The grass is jumping out of the ground. Because there is such incredible, especially for February, grass growth the humid conditions have not caused any excema problems with the dairy cattle. Cockies baling silage in February; not seen since 1965 says a real old codger.
The golf courses, which usually look a barren brown at this time of the year, are a beautiful verdant green, and with the biggest supply of mushrooms ever seen.
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February 19, 2018 9:26pm
- nasska
  
  Don’t you just love the idiots banging on about climate change & what it mean?
  
  For the first time in about fifty years we’re having what we used to remember as “summer”! 🙂
  
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  February 19, 2018 9:37pm
nasska

Moses’ diary: God spoke to me today from inside a burning bush.

He said I should be more careful about what kind of mushrooms I eat
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