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stephieboy

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Overlooked with the Penis and the ongoing Cindy hysteria is the news that 13 Russian have been indicted in the US. by the FBI.

Is this a softening up for the end of the Trump circus ?

Investigation

Mueller charges 13 Russians with interfering in US election to help Trump

DoJ indictment alleges Russian operatives ‘communicated with unwitting individuals associated with the Trump campaign’
Ten key takeaways from the Mueller indictment

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/16/robert-mueller-russians-charged-election
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February 18, 2018 8:04am
- Digmen1
  
  And Al Jazeera interviewed an ex Russian Ambassador and all he did was say that the USA was interfering in Russian politics.
  He never once, attempted to agree or deny that Russians had infiltrated the US elections
  
  Typical ex communists – all attacking bluster!
  (attack is the best form of defense)
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:09am
- fernglas
  
  “unwitting individuals” it says. That exonerates rather than condemns on charges of complicity with the Russians.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:09am
  - sooty
    
    That’s our stephieboy. Unwitting individual.
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:15am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Well , well , well I wonder what the Trump administration has to hide ?
    
    GOP leaders consider steps, including contempt, after Bannon refuses most questions
    
    “House Republican leaders are weighing “further steps” to force former top White House strategist Stephen K. Bannon to answer investigators’ questions in their probe of Russian meddling in the 2016 election — including potentially declaring him in contempt of Congress — after a Thursday interview they called “frustrating.”
    
    Bannon came to speak with the House Intelligence Committee under a subpoena the panel issued on the spot last month, when he refused to answer questions related to the transition period and his tenure in the White House. The interview came after Bannon met with investigators in special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s probe on Monday and Wednesday, according to a person familiar with the sessions…”
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/bannon-returns-to-house-intelligence-committee-under-subpoena/2018/02/15/e2051a68-1267-11e8-9570-29c9830535e5_story.html?utm_term=.3b9784d1f4ef
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:23am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Oh look a squirrel.
      
      Maybe that’ll distract from the rapist’s wife’s bribery and corruption and the Kenyan’s bigger than Watergate spying.
      
      Oh wait. If Nixon was a Democrat we’d never have heard about Watergate.
      
      I forget myself! It’s alright when the Left are psychotic crooks.
      
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      February 18, 2018 8:56am
      - Simon
        
        Look a squirrel was the basic Russian plan to undermine American elections
        
        No effect though. But MSM and clowns like Soyboy played into their hands.
        
        Soyboy KB’s very own Russian victim. Nailed by the Russians.
        
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        February 18, 2018 9:24am
  - kowtow
    
    “Unwitting”. Yesterday RNZ led its “news” broadcasts with this Russia in the US business. The tv news’ I’m not so sure about . Of course this foreign “news” is so prominently highlightged becasue it fits with our MSM’s editorail position that Trump won the election unfairly.
    
    Talking of interference that our media should be addressing and don’t seem to be hyperventilating about ………
    
    ‘A prominent Christchurch China watcher is neither surprised nor intimidated by multiple break-ins she believes are connected to her work exposing the emerging superpower’s influence campaigns.
    
    Professor Anne-Marie Brady made waves last year with the release of her research paper Magic Weapons, detailing how New Zealand was becoming “saturated with . . . political influence activities”.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101499837/christchurch-academic-links-breakins-to-work-on-chinas-influence-campaigns
    
    So who is our media afraid of , who pays their bills , who’s in charge in New Zealand .
    
    This is of more relevance to New Zealand than some Russian trolls.
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:15am
    - niggly
      
      “Unwitting”. Yesterday RNZ led its “news” broadcasts with this Russia in the US business. The tv news’ I’m not so sure about . Of course this foreign “news” is so prominently highlightged becasue it fits with our MSM’s editorail position that Trump won the election unfairly.
      
      I saw both yesterday’s TV3 and TVNZ News coverage:
      
      TV3 introduced their report with the words “there is still no sign of a link to the Trump campaign” (ok potentially biased wording but at least it states clearly to the viewers the fact there are no links to Trump’s campaign etc). TV3’s CBS report then on to explain that the Russians were targeting both Democrats AND Republicans, particularly the early contenders eg Clinton on one side and Cruz and Rubio on the other side. The Russian campaign started 2 years before the 2016 Presidential elections. Apparently the Russians were not to target Sanders and then Trump (it didn’t say why but presumably because of their anti-establishment rhetoric).
      
      Meanwhile TVNZ’s ABC report didn’t mention once that the Republicans were also targeted, but their report showed imagery of pro-Trump rallies during the reporters narrative perhaps giving the viewers a sub-conscious bias that there were benefits to Trump’s campaign and the ABC reporter ended his report with a dig at Trump.
      
      In summary TV3 was somewhat balanced, TVNZ was somewhat biased by what was deliberately left out and the tone of their report. How the mighty TVNZ has fallen in terms of credibility!
      
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      February 18, 2018 11:22am
      - Harkman
        
        Yes, spot on Niggly. I saw that ABC clip, and it deliberately implied Trump was colluding, while Rosenstein said none of the candidates were aware of this going on.
        
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        February 18, 2018 9:32pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Mueller’s investigation has 4 main threads.
    
    This set of indictments relates to just 1 of those 4 threads … which is to do with active efforts to subvert the 2016 election.
    
    Flynn et al are connected to other threads in the investigation. So I’d be surprised if this in any way says that Flynn, Papadopoulos, Manafort, Gates, Page etc are in the clear.
    
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    February 18, 2018 12:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gee, that St Petersburg Troll Farm sounds very similar to the Troll Farm flooding KB with rubbish posts.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:10am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Maggy W , now, now just because yesterday you lost the plot with Forest and Bird and the Penis Thread.
    
    No need to get so crotchety this morning. !
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:26am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Hook. Line. Sinker. Owned.
      
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      February 18, 2018 11:35am
  - Simon
    
    Looks like Flynn will have his conviction quashed.
    
    The only real dirt Mueller is digging up is about the Dems and bent FBI
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:27am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Fruit of the poison tree
      
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      February 18, 2018 8:57am
    - fernglas
      
      So the fact that Russia actively interfered in the US democratic process and by 2016 had determined to interfere in support of Trump isn’t “real dirt”? I await Trump’s righteous condemnation of Russia for what it has done. It should be considered an outrage by anybody with a concern over democratic process.
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:04am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Not correct to say they solely supported Trump
        They did organise a protest against him outside Trump tower
        They also tried to help Sanders. Rosenstein said they just generally tried to disrupt the whole process but basically they really didn’t have any effect on the result at all.
        
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        February 18, 2018 9:30am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        But you don’t have any concerns about Obama trying to fix the election for crooked Hillary by subborning FISA court warrants to spy on Trump based on discredited oppo research?
        
        You need to work on the beam in thine own eye.
        
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        February 18, 2018 12:33pm
    - Ross12
      
      On Feb 3rd Mueller petitioned the Court to throughout the Manafort case !
      ( Now Mueller has come up with some mortgage fraud case against him)
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:32am
      - virtualmark
        
        No. Mueller urged the Court to throw out a suit *that Manafort had brought.*
        
        Do keep up.
        
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        February 18, 2018 3:01pm
      - Ross12
        
        Ok VM –my mistake. Should have read more carefully. We’ll see what the Court says.
        
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        February 18, 2018 4:52pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Kudos.
        
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        February 18, 2018 8:16pm
- Inandout
  
  Was stephie talking about the Hillary-Russian uranium deal; I didn’t bother to open?
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:04am
- Harkman
  
  Did you actually hear what Rod Rosenstein said?
  
  He said that none of the political campaigns knew anything about this. He also said the Russians organised a pro-Trump rally and a “Not my President” rally in the same city on the same day.
  
  Rosenstein said that the Russians were working to help the Sanders Campaign as well. They were also anti Cruz and Rubio.
  
  They started in 2014 or perhaps earlier. Nobody thought that Trump was a serious candidate, probably the Russians too. You were on here quoting the Michael Wolff book only weeks ago, but in it Trump never thought or intended to win, it was just a promo exercise for Trump TV. So much for the lefty collusion, lying shattered on the canvas.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:28am
  - fernglas
    
    But, assuming the absence of collusion, isn’t the Russian interference in the US elections and other institutions worthy of condemnation in itself? If so, when is Trump going to come out and condemn it?
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:39am
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      What a naive thing to say. It’s not long past that some American commenting on the Trump/Russian scandal came out on TV saying explicitly in words of one syllable that pretty much all govts all over the world interfere in some other countries’ elections all the time, one way or another.
      
      The nature of any scandals isn’t the interference, which is normal and usual; it’s when someone gets ‘caught’ lying about it or is just publicly accused by the MSM. If you’re going to ‘condemn’ Trump, you have to condemn them all, including NZ and Australia most recently.
      
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      February 18, 2018 10:43am
      - fernglas
        
        So corruption is okay as long as you don’t get caught?
        
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        February 18, 2018 9:49pm
- Ross12
  
  When will Mueller charge Obama for interfering in the Egyptian , Israeli, Kenyan and British(Brexit) elections/referendums?
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:36am
Right of way is Way of Right

It came from the north, unexpectedly thrust towards the capital at the last minute. Powerful, but full of wind, doing nothing productive, just destroying what it touched. Tropical Cyclone Gita, or Jacinda Ardern? You choose!
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February 18, 2018 8:06am
- Inandout
  
  Jacinda was once described as ‘smiles a lot but that’s about all’.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:05am
  - sooty
    
    All shit and giggles.
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:25am
slightlyrighty

Judith Collins has caused some Twitter ructions. When contacted by a labour supporter who asked Judith to stop backstabbing Jacinda Ardern, she replied “no problem, I stab from the front”.

Cue howls of outrage from the left claiming inciting of violence, even though they brought up the subject.
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February 18, 2018 8:07am
- sooty
  
  Oh, the poor little snowflake, getting all upset and wanting to protecting the nice mother of the nations baby.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:20am
  - Piniwi
    
    True sooty but they are petrified and more especially the Commie Chick of what is ahead when Judith Collins take leadership of National. It will double the pressure and strees levels for her far beyound anything expected.
    Hands down the best for the job being herralded even by those who would want a woman in that role ever. For them that is about the only form of change that is possible.
    Like most supporters her first task is to get the job of leader and reject attempts from the Media party to shift the narrative to policy or what will be. Then the caucus and the members will be welded into a strong team with clear concise tasks prioritised and given to the best for the job. This will see a much different group picture as the prelude to getting on with demolishing the COL.
    IMO Juddith Collins will relish the task of deligating the load to allow her to concentrate on her own strengths. It is also the best means to quiet any who might want things differently by putting petty issues aside and giving them each a chance to do whatever it is they do best.
    Time for a change? Damn right and there will be plenty of changes coming that will be for the better of not just the party, it’s members but for NZ.
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:08pm
- stephieboy
  
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  skightlyrighty , any treatment options for the Cindy hysteria and paranoia other than bed , rest and a visit to the Shrink ?
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:28am
  - sooty
    
    Yep! Don’t listern to stephiboy!
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:27am
- Surely Knott
  
  Good job. I am so sick of the NZ media. This morning on the herald we have on the national party ledger a “Why did Bill take so long to realise he was a failure” article , and a “Judith Collins is an attack dog ” article (which by the way I thought constantly calling a strong woman of power an “attack dog”sexist), and on the Labour side we have “Jacinda in Vogue” in case you missed it, and A “Jacinda at the pride parade” pics. Not one article on actual issues. Jacinda is treated like a perfect barbie, brainless dress up doll, and Collins is treated like a mad dog. Our media is shite. The Atlantic had a great article today on identity politics “In purely practical terms, moral posturing doesn’t usually change anyone’s mind, because people intuitively interpret it as a form of jockeying for in-group status. But it doesn’t need to change minds, nor is it necessarily supposed to. Its point is to transform politics into a question of purity” And there we have it. The Herald and their Labour Green voters signalling their purity. Don’t worry about the issues.
  
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  February 18, 2018 10:23am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Another offer of free newspapers went in the bin this week. I wonder what the reject rate is, and if the penny will ever drop that they might want to redesign their product if they can’t even give it away.
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:35am
- Gravelroad
  
  If Collins did say that then she is out of touch with a very large section of today’s society.
  NZ is in the midst of socialist righteousness.
  We have to be nice to each other -especially those with cuddly babies and fluffy ducks.
  We must save the snails and protect the trees.
  We must stop business progress with a lot of laws and regulations.
  Don’t lecture P addicts about spending the kids school money on drugs or smashing up the rental house -they are not to blame for their choices.
  Addressing gender “issues” is most important.
  We have a big chunk of population who have no idea about economic management at any level and don’t care.
  Ms Collins needs to moderate her language to suit today’s conditions. Being flippant and crass won’t help her should she gain leadership of National and won’t do the Party any good either.
  
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  February 18, 2018 11:22am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    The reason NZ is gripped by this cult of virtue-signalling is because National’s Labour Lite approach mainstreamed this sort of baby-ish thinking.
    
    Never underestimate the massive impact of Trump on culture. His straight-speaking (whilst causing libtard heads to explode) works for a lot of yanks. It is becoming more normalised and JC is just the right person to bring honesty home to clueless NZers.
    
    Clearly enunciated truths will always beat vapid hand-wringing and face-pulling by Jacinda
    
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    February 18, 2018 12:45pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Yes DP we are reminded of a famous song from “My Fair Lady” in “Why Can’t A Woman Be More Like A Man”. In Judith Collins it is about as close as one might come and one who is straight talking, clear and concise. No elocution lessons required while not needing to be instructed by Angry Andy to “cut the crap”. There are some great days ahead for the best show in town.
      
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      February 18, 2018 8:17pm
Manolo

The Russians mock it:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/lavrov-calls-us-election-meddling-claims-blabber-003636925.html

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Saturday dismissed as “blabber” accusations that Moscow had interfered in the US election that brought President Donald Trump to power.
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February 18, 2018 8:08am
- virtualmark
  
  What did you expect the Russians to say?
  
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  February 18, 2018 12:46pm
  - Ross12
    
    Given that most, if not all, the Russians involved are probably back in Russia and there is no extradition agreement between the USA and Russia nothing will happen with the charges. So it is understandable the Russians are laughing. Even the MSM had reports on this, months ago.
    A lot of the FB ads were after the elections so it is hard to see how their goal was to influence the elections.
    A FB VP has come on Twitter basically having a go at the poor MSM coverage of the issue
    
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/02/facebook-vp-ads-slams-liberal-medias-coverage-russia/
    
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    February 18, 2018 2:06pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Nothing *immediate* will happen with these charges. The FBI know that too.
      
      But this formal process of indicting them gets the Interpol and extradition processes running.
      
      For example … http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-election-hacking-russia-spain-arrest-authorities-pyotr-levashov-barcelona-a7676251.html
      
      That sort of arrest & extradition can’t happen unless the indictments are in place.
      
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      February 18, 2018 2:53pm
    - virtualmark
      
      See also https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/5/16975896/icloud-warrant-kelihos-botnet-levashov-affidavit
      
      The indictments strengthen the FBI’s hand in getting the likes of Apple & Google to help them track these individuals.
      
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      February 18, 2018 2:56pm
    - virtualmark
      
      [shrug]
      
      Multiple downticks to straightforward legal facts.
      
      I guess the Kremlebots assigned to Kiwiblog don’t like being reminded about how Western legal systems work …
      
      (And it would be naive to doubt there are Kremlebots assigned to the most active political blog in a “Five Eyes” country)
      
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      February 18, 2018 8:32pm
- Gabby
  
  Well that’s conclusive proof and not a pile of manuro, ass fissure.
  
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  February 18, 2018 10:41pm
Paulus

How demeaning of the role of any Prime Minister of New Zealand in her speech given to the strange people’s march in Auckland.
So that is our?? (Peters’s)Prime Minister.
Sad.
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February 18, 2018 8:08am
- igm
  
  Look at her current personal situation . . . she has no moral standards whatsoever.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:10am
  - stephieboy
    
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    igm , what about the Aussie Deputy PM ?
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:30am
    - VicParking
      
      Stephie at least he has relationships with Humans. How the Goat this morning ??
      
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      February 18, 2018 8:36am
    - JibberJabber
      
      Squirrel fail, WTF has an Aussie politician got to do with us ?
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:38am
    - GazzaW
      
      WTF has Barnaby got to do with Jacinda stephie? Has ztev lent you his gerbils?
      
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      February 18, 2018 10:17am
    - matchbox
      
      Stephie, indeed since you asked, what about Barnaby?
      
      Your question implies that you deride Barnaby. But aren’t the two situations identical? I.e. Party leader parenting child out of wedlock.
      
      So Stephie, explain the derision of one, yet the praise of the other. Surely each is of equal contempt.
      
      But no. To you if it’s a leftie, tis good, but if it’s a rightie, tis contemptible. (Although there’s probably an overarching element of everything Ozzie is contemptible, everything NZ good).
      
      I say, if Barnaby’s situation is contemptible, then so too is Jacinda’s identical situation, equally contemptible.
      
      Alas after all. I concede the hopelessness of my plight. It is indeed 2018, and the female of our species can do no wrong.
      
      Jacinda walks on water, and she is about to birth the Nation’s Baby.
      
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      February 18, 2018 10:48am
  - RF
    
    igm
    
    The expression… alley cat .. springs to mind.
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:44am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Certainly not my Prime Minister.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:11am
  - sooty
    
    What did she say?
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:21am
    - matchbox
      
      Sooty, the gun has been jumped, I think.
      I believe it’s tonight she will be saying it.
      
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      February 18, 2018 10:55am
      - matchbox
        
        Oops sorry, matchbox.
        
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        February 18, 2018 11:03am
      - Gabby
        
        Sock.
        
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        February 18, 2018 10:43pm
  - KevOB
    
    Jacinda’s association with what is reported as a parade incorporating criminal lewd conduct is unfit for a PM. Doesn’t she have a duty to uphold public decency?
    
    Mouth 100, morality 0. Unfit to lead.
    
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    February 18, 2018 12:12pm
    - sam green
      
      Paid shill.
      
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      February 18, 2018 4:44pm
      - KevOB
        
        No, just honest opinion.
        
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        February 18, 2018 10:06pm
peterwn

oops I made a mistake yesterday. I said that Kiwi guy from Surfers Paradise must have been convicted of assault as he was given probation. However it seems in Queensland a magistrate/judge can discharge without conviction but still give the offender probation. By not being convicted he no doubt avoided deportation at the time, but following public anger the Federal authorities decided to give him the boot anyway. Perhaps if he had not made the defiant gestures outside the courthouse after the case, he might have been able to stay in Australia.
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February 18, 2018 8:10am
- igm
  
  Just another Labour voter and taxpayer leech on the way . . . like current PM’s hanger-on.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:14am
  - sooty
    
    I see 15 bikies are here now and going to start a nz version of their gang. Thanks Helun and Kelvin.
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:24am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Birds of a feather flock together. We don’t want Aussie biker gangs setting up shop in NZ. There are enough of our own to contend with.
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:20am
      - Dave_1924
        
        Waaay too late for that. Rebels have been here for a number of years and have patched over a reasonable number of locals….
        
        Plenty of them in Wellington and Horowhenua
        
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        February 18, 2018 10:06am
    - dubya
      
      A pack of fat violent fatherless losers the lot of them, they ought to be shot upon arrival.
      
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      February 18, 2018 10:17am
    - Souvlaki
      
      Article in the recent Economist magazine to vthe effect there are now more gang members in NZ than there are in the military ! 🙁
      
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      February 18, 2018 1:31pm
      - Paulus
        
        Yes, I read the article being a rather sad indictment of the state of New Zealand.
        
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        February 18, 2018 1:39pm
    - cmm
      
      Just fence off the area North of Kaitaia (7 km fence).
      
      Put 500 boxes of RTDs on the beach. When they all show up, lock the gate and wait 2 months for the seagulls to clean up the carnage.
      
      Job done.
      
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      February 18, 2018 8:04pm
      - Gabby
        
        That’s har they diddit back in the depublique isn’t it cmmiebokkie.
        
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        February 18, 2018 10:46pm
    - cmm
      
      Herald says: Australia’s most dangerous gang the Comancheros open New Zealand chapter
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11996666
      
      Police say it was “inevitable” the Comanchero gang would open a chapter in New Zealand after 14 patched members deported from Australia.
      
      What bullshit! Shrug your shoulders and say there is nothing that can be done about these bastards!
      
      Are they going to give us “inevitable” when our Muslim friend in Christchurch and his mates start going Allah Akbar?
      
      “Hawi had cheated death before, surviving a hail of bullets in 2007”. Bugger.
      
      Pasilika Naufahu eh? Sure he’s one of ours? Sounds Samoan/Tongan to me.
      
      Nashie boy, you wanted the big Law and Order job. Mount up!
      
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      February 18, 2018 8:26pm
  - cmm
    
    Just felt my wallet get a little bit lighter…
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:47am
- srylands
  
  “he might have been able to stay in Australia.”.
  
  Probably not. They seem to cancel visas on character grounds. A few months ago a guy was deported because he was mates with a gang member. No convictions. Good on them.
  
  BTW It is quite daft the government trying to pressure the Australians to ease up on deportations. The policy has massive public support in Australia. If Labor wins the next Australian election I predict there will be no substantive changes to the policy.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:09am
  - peterwn
    
    He did seem to get away with it initially. Perhaps if he had pulled his head in and not taunted the public as he did he might have been left alone.
    Big ‘plus’ to Federal authorities and big ‘minus’ to the Southport District Court.
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:46am
- Inandout
  
  Fair enough they got rid of this scum but why doesn’t ‘public anger’ spread to the Muslim menace in Aussie? This cult destroys cafes and runs down kids in push chairs on the streets of Melbourne.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:13am
- kowtow
  
  Nice to see a government doing its duty when the judge didn’t.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:18am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Much as I don’t want these feral so here either, I applaud the Australia Govrenment for their stance and wish my government would do the same.
    If you want the privilege of living here, straighten up and fly right.
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:39am
- Piniwi
  
  Cheers peerwn that fact slipped by but without a conviction for a thug? Perhaps their judicial are going pink too. At least their border controls are better than we see.
  Still have a feeling in my water that there is some relation between the NZ interference in Australian internal issues with the uproar and deportation.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:27pm
Manolo

The dire consequences of the invasion of Italy by undesirable Africans:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5402115/Italy-nation-seething-anger.html

Flowers are still arriving at the roadside for Pamela Mastropietro. It is just over two weeks since this troubled blonde 18-year-old went missing here, only to resurface in a pair of suitcases left in a ditch.

No sooner was an illegal immigrant arrested for her killing than a local neo-fascist took it upon himself to drive around town in broad daylight shooting anyone who looked vaguely foreign.
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February 18, 2018 8:12am
- Digmen1
  
  The sad thing was that he did not manage to kill any of them!
  The really sad thing is that the Italian government and authorities and liberals let them in in the first place!
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:14am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    Typical Italian marksmanship. The last three shots used to kill Mussolini were fired by 50 Italian snipers!
    
    Badum-tish!
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:31am
  - MCos
    
    “The sad thing was that he did not manage to kill any of them!”
    Is that right, Digman1?
    I take it you’re not going to Italy any time soon?
    Or maybe you’re fluent in the language?
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:31am
- cmm
  
  Look, it is inevitable.
  
  Africa is the only part of the world with massively increasing population. The population has grown by 500% since the 1950s, from 200 million to 1200 million.
  
  Even with AIDS (over 30% of some populations are HIV+), they still manage to keep growing the populations. South Africa has over 100,000 AIDS deaths per year, but the population keeps going up. Malaria and TB also kill a million or so through Africa, but that only slows them down a bit. With enough growth you can just power on through.
  
  On top of that, Evil colonialist farmers are either ejected or slaughtered so food production is going down.
  
  So what’s going to happen? They’re flooding both South and North.
  
  They’ve almost finished their expansion Southwards and they will just continue to expand Northwards.
  
  Cape Town is the only city in Africa that is still not majority African, but that will change within the next 10 years.
  
  Some economists predict that the world population (excluding Africans) has now essentially flatlined and that all future growth is going to be from Africans.
  
  By 2100, there are expected to be over 4 billion Africans (over 3x what there are now). Africa is full and can’t feed itself now.
  
  So where are those extra 3 billion Africans going to go? Europe is on their doorstep, so they’re first. As Africans enter and expand, the local population will wither before them.
  
  Who is going to feed them? As hostility increases, more farmers are going to be killed and ejected from their lands so Africa will be even less capable of feeding itself. By 2030 there are likely going to be no white farmers left in South Africa (or so few as to be a meaninglessly small number).
  
  But are the SJWs yelling at the Africans to slow down? Nope. I’m the bad one because I don’t have a bamboo bicycle.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:21am
  - MCos
    
    Africans are fifth highest number of immigrants to NZ.
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:46am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      But I would guess they are mostly university educated South Africans, and mostly white.
      
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      February 18, 2018 12:09pm
      - Duxton
        
        I’m quite comfortable about that, and would be happy to see more Zimbabweans who fut that description as well.
        
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        February 18, 2018 6:51pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Also muslims in countries such as Yemen and Syria seem to breed like locusts, even when there is no food, no jobs, no houses etc.
    
    Just look at Al Jazeera for a couple of hours and you see see people with many young children around them.
    
    They just keep getting aid from the west so that they can keep going.
    
    The Philipines is another country that breeds far too many people for it prospects. In this case its due to lack of education and the Catholic Church.
    
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    February 18, 2018 1:33pm
    - Kimbo
      
      In poor countries with no government social welfare people have lots of children because that is their form of income support in old age. And as child mortality rates are higher, they have more children to compensate for losses before old age. Has been the universal human pattern until the development of the modern cradle-to-the-grave welfare state in the 20th Century.
      
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      February 18, 2018 1:45pm
      - cmm
        
        Yes, that is all true, but lots of kids only work as a welfare strategy where:
        a) there’s heaps of land for them to expand into. That does not work with a largely urban population with high unemployment levels.
        b) old people die relative young so they are not a long-term drain on their kids. It does not work when life expectancy tops 60 and two generations of old people might be relying on the working-age people who have heaps of kids themselves.
        
        The real kicker is that most countries fund the social welfare themselves and thus the people have modified their breeding patterns as they have changed towards a welfare state.
        
        Hence we see fertility rates in Western countries dropping massively to more or less fit in with decreases in child mortality.
        
        Africa is highly fueled by foreign aid (and debt which they have no capability or intention of paying off – essentially more foreign aid). This is just “free resources” for the breeders.
        
        On top of that child mortality rates have plunged – with no compensation in fertility management. There is no direction from government to reduce fertility.
        
        Outgoing SA president Zuma had about 20 children (and took a few showers as a precaution for HIV).
        
        It is certainly not Africa that is getting the over-population message.
        
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        February 18, 2018 3:21pm
- Gabby
  
  Shit manuro, all the eyeties look foreign.
  
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  February 18, 2018 10:48pm
Digmen1

#Straight people matter

I do feel sorry for gays etc, but this transgender thing is going far to far.
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February 18, 2018 8:12am
- Happychappy
  
  I wonder if our Prime Minister wants to try it Digmen1. Will it be let’s do this.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:24am
  - Harkman
    
    The stats say gay people are less than 2% of the adult population (1.8%), but let’s say that we double that figure again max (3.6%) for those still “in the closet.” It is a small segment of the population, politicians behave like it is a massive voter group but it ain’t.
    
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    February 18, 2018 12:31pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Digmen1 , so what is the remedy ?
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:31am
  - cmm
    
    Treat it as what it is: a mental illness.
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:25am
    - cmm
      
      Some people might think I’m being nasty, but I am not.
      
      When a person thinks they are a girl, yet they have half a kg of counter-evidence in their pants then they are delusional. It is as delusional as someone flapping their arms and thinking they have wings and are a bird.
      
      If people want to explore these ideas, fine. No problem. Live and let live.
      
      But it becomes problematic when society reinforces these delusions and starts to treat the boy as a girl or feeds the arm flapper worms. Normalizing the behaviour just makes things worse and means they do not get the help they need.
      
      It is not surprising that suicide is so high amongst trannies and transitioning does not help.
      
      It becomes even more of a problem where society must change itself to support these delusions: treat the trannies as females or put up perches in the work place for the arm flapper.
      
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      February 18, 2018 1:29pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        It’s positively Orwellian.
        
        When you know (KNOW) there are only two biological genders, yet you are required to agree (in law as is the case in cucked Canada) that you have to adopt made-up pronouns when speaking to a male or female that has the belief they are something that they are not – it’s actually a form of abuse.
        
        The Inquisition and the Salem witch trials pivoted on making people admit to things they weren’t.
        
        It’s the start of a slippery slope on the road to totalitarian oblivion.
        
        Next thing you know we’ll be forced to agree that capitalism is a failure and that the 100 million lives lost because of communism is a lie.
        
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        February 18, 2018 3:12pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Damn straight cmm so now waiting lists are being increased by sex changes being expected on demand. The Fool Factor (unintended consequences) for the COL it will make it so much a struggle to “show improvements in the quality health care provided.”
        A new priority should be established if we consider where the bulk of surgery is required in the body. Ankles, knees, his then nuts or should we say bomps-a-Derick/Daisy.
        
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        February 18, 2018 8:49pm
dime

Saw Queen with Adam lambert last night.

Holy shit, what a show

What a great band. Brian may sits with the guitar playing gods.
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February 18, 2018 8:16am
- Longknives
  
  I saw them with Paul Rodgers a few years ago Dime.
  Agreed- They are pretty sensational live!
  Imagine how good they were when Mercury was still around?
  (Thought about going to last night’s show but not sure about Adam ‘Reality TV Show winner’ Lambert)
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:33am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    You should have gone, well worth it. Brian May picked Lambert!
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:35am
    - Longknives
      
      Yeah but as much as a fan of Brian May as I am,
      he also tried to get Lady Gaga to join the band as well..
      At least Paul Rodgers was a proper rock star..(Not a manufactured Teeny Bopper thing)
      
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      February 18, 2018 8:38am
  - dime
    
    That’s what I said to Mrs dime last night.
    
    As good as the show was, it was only half the band!
    
    Its a Goddam shame we lost Freddie
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:54am
    - Kimbo
      
      Don’t forget John Deacon. The quiet achiever, who wrote monster hits like You’re my best friend, Another one bites the dust, I want to break free, and that iconic bass line from Under Pressure, Dum, dum, dum, de, de, dum, dum. Typical bass player, quiet, shy but integral to making the others shine.
      
      Sadly Deaky’s shy temperament seems to have developed into mental stress issues in his older age that has made him live as a recluse for the last 20 years or so. Like John Paul Jones the bass player and keyboardist of Led Zep, John Deacon was always the quiet family man who shunned the public limelight.
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:38am
      - Longknives
        
        Another ‘quiet man’ was John Entwistle- Now there was a Bass player!
        
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        February 18, 2018 2:53pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Sorry LK, down ticked in error. Yep. And Keith Moon of The Who, like John Bonzo Bonham of Led Zep, was the archetypal mad party animal drummer. They could both wreck a hotel room in ten seconds flat and who knows how many TV sets they demolished by flinging them out of upper story windows? Tragic the drop in classical rock star standards with the white bread versions of today! No one cares for the traditions and legacy of the past. ?
        
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        February 18, 2018 2:57pm
      - Longknives
        
        Yep and both Moon and Bonham were phenomenal players (in their vastly different ways)
        I always found the Who are You album cover interesting- Moon sitting on a chair with the words ‘Not to be taken away’ written on it.
        Moon of course died a couple of weeks after the album’s release…
        
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        February 18, 2018 3:28pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Sorry, LK, down ticked again in error! Not my day for steady aim. ?
        
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        February 18, 2018 4:29pm
      - Longknives
        
        Jesus Kimbo! That’s doing nothing for my Average…
        
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        February 18, 2018 5:44pm
    - Duxton
      
      Bad taste, I know, but every time I hear Freddie Mercury’s name I remember the joke about his post mortem.
      
      I will cut straight to the punchline: “The doctor also recovered Michael Jackson’s missing glove.”
      
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      February 18, 2018 7:58pm
    - big bruv
      
      “Its a Goddam shame we lost Freddie”
      
      Indeed, with teeth like his he could have become PM.
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:03pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Same here, that Adam Lambert is quite the showman. Glad he doesn’t try to impersonate Freddie, but still smashes it out of the park.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:33am
- Inandout
  
  You can’t replicate dead people. It would be like trying to find an Elton/Bernie combination like the original when they demise.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:19am
- Kimbo
  
  Yep. Saw them when they were out here in 2015, and also, like AgentBallSack when the full and genuine article played at Mt Smart in 1985. Brian May is always brilliant, and the oddest rock god off all time: Totally square, same hair style for 50 years, PhD in astronomy, sounds like your pedantic grand dad when discussing anything although he gets passionate about fox hunting, with his father he made that “red special” guitar he still plays out of wood from the family fire place,,,
  
  But seeing them play with Freddie Mercury was the ultimate. Experience of a life time.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:27am
Happychappy

Is there no right wing Journalists in NZ as every time I read MSM on the internet there seems to be a Journalist putting the boot into National and today it is Damien Grant who ever this highly opinionated A/H is, I don’t mind the criticism of National but after the fine financial position National have left this Country in and the way the Coalition have decided to spend it should have more commentary than the continual criticism from those that know better in the Media.
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February 18, 2018 8:18am
- Gravelroad
  
  I have never heard of Damien Grant and unless these “opinion” contributors are identified as professional leader writers, then their columns are no more or less than letters to the editor and should be viewed as just that.
  Interesting that many of the anti National commenters on the article are so bitter and twisted.
  You would have thought that with their socialist friends now in power they would be relaxed, positive and happy- but no.
  Did agree with one though who said the National candidates should balance their “destroy the CoL” rhetoric with more offerings of policy ambition and leadership skills.
  
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  February 18, 2018 10:07am
Digmen1

Yes my handle is a throw back and has nothing to do with my sexual orientation. (I am, and have always been strictly hetro male)

I really should change it.
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February 18, 2018 8:21am
- G152
  
  You may well be a grave digger in an exclusive cemetery 😉
  In charge of exhumations
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:26am
- sooty
  
  Try, attack helicopter.
  Me, I am a jedi in the census paper.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:28am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  methinks the lady doth protest too much.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:43am
- AgentBallSack
  
  I did wonder, but I thought it presumptuous and rude to ask. And someones sexuality doesn’t make their opinions any less valid. By the same token they don’t make them any more special (cue howls of outrage). Though you can change the name you appear under here while keeping the same account.
  
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  February 18, 2018 11:03am
peterwn

Fletchers again. I would challenge Teresa Gattung to indicate (and not in hindsight) that if she was CEO of Fletcher Building she would have properly identified the business risks with contracts and either have not ‘dismantled’ the expertise to manage the risks or if she became CEO after that was done whether she would have recognised the risks and did something to properly manage them. If not, appointing a female CEO would not have averted the problem.
As for Sir Ralph Norris being ‘angry and hurt’, he did have the problem that the main causes of the damage happened before he joined the Board. He would have wanted to ‘breathe through the nose’ initially and would have assumed a competent board and CEO and did not envisage there were urgent issues to be fixed. However as a skilled top manager I would have thought he would have had the enquiring mind and business instinct to recognise something was wrong and have done something about it.
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February 18, 2018 8:24am
- Viking2
  
  Especially as the size of the contracts were rather large. Seem EY might have a bit to play as they are the auditors.
  Apparent impossible clauses in the contracts that were not exposed to the board.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:34am
  - peterwn
    
    Agreed in general. However Fletchers also put nasty clauses in its subbie contracts including the notorious ‘pay when paid’ clause. This meant Fletchers was under no legal obligation to pay subbies until the client paid – this has now been outlawed by legislation.
    Fletchers should have managed such ‘impossible’ clauses at a high level. The Industry could not agree to resist such clauses without raising the ire of the Commerce Commission (such as the Trademe and Real Estate Agents case) but it sure could have delivered warnings about this into the public domain (like oil companies ‘discuss’ petrol prices via public announcements).
    Also I would have submitted two tenders for such jobs – a ‘clean’ tender with a price reflecting the extra risks involved and a ‘tagged’ tender nullifying or limiting the effect of such clauses with a lower price. This could mean losing a few jobs (since ‘tagged’ tenders are frowned upon by clients), but it will sort itself out when other contractors get burnt. Seems the industry is heading this way with industry spokespeople saying clients had to share the risk with building contracts.
    The Board’s audit and risk committee should have had a policy on such matters and the CEO should have ensured he had the capability to put the policy into effect by those who knew how to assess and manage the risks.
    Hardly rocket science IMO.
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:21am
    - Viking2
      
      In any business people don’t always remember what you do right but you can be sure they remember what you do wrong.
      Its those things that lose you your reputation and your good staff.
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:43am
      - peterwn
        
        Yes, the former CEO did not remember what there staff members were doing right and lost them through letting them go. And the new CEO has given up on that line of business rather than rebuild capability.
        
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        February 18, 2018 9:51am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Read the New Zealand Shareholders Association timeline and you will what went wrong.
      
      First problem no Director with construction expertise on Board from 2010 to present day.
      
      CCh earthquakes and economic recovery post GFC meant lot of opportunities for B&I.
      
      Adamson wrong choice as CEO. Gypsy CEO fires all the senior staff who may be a threat and hires mates who will protect his back. Cons Norris ( who now admits) doesnt tell Board the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
      
      Looks to win contracts at any costs to shut competitors out and be The Man.
      
      Internal audit and external audit hopeless and not over issues around contracts.
      
      The list goes on and on.
      
      It was governance failure. the NZSA call for the whole Board to stand for election at the 2017 AGM. The major investors ( all overseas) were silent
      
      Six months later they are calling for Board changes. Go figure.
      
      And there are plenty of other governance problems in NZX companies yet to be revealed.
      
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      February 18, 2018 10:15am
      - peterwn
        
        As long as they have the right sort of ‘construction experience’. It needs more than wielding a hammer or supervising a large project. It needs an understanding of RISKS, including those outside the understanding of a typical construction person. It needs a thorough understanding of the construction market and the environment it operates in – general economic conditions, probable future inflation, cost escalation, labour market, safety etc. A construction company who can get a handle on these things better than competitors will have the best performance especially a company like Fletchers which has enviable resources.
        A construction company owned by a construction professional failed because of insufficient regard to safety. The direct and indirect costs of accidents bled the company dry.
        Likes of Maurice Clark of Mckee Fehl will be set to make a killing. He probably will not go for the top end work Fletchers did, but he he would be sufficiently skilful and resourced to pick up less ambitions projects that Fletchers would have won. And overseas contractors no doubt will be after him for joint ventures as he knows construction in the NZ market inside out and has a proven track record.
        
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        February 18, 2018 12:23pm
      - KevOB
        
        As an accountant with contractors as clients that sums up what I guessed were the problems.
        Costing is not rocket science but pricing a bid needs firm knowledge of acceptable risk and margins. When millions are at stake that’s Board level. Buying business’s a certain route to failure. The aim is to come out enhanced not merely being contractor of record and insurer without premium.
        
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        February 18, 2018 12:41pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Sorry KevOB hit report by mistake in my eagerness to concur with your comment. It is a special skill set for pricing and tendering and I have sat beside some good ones with their hands on being their best tool. As part of our brief as capital plant suppliers we were expected to be familiar with who was pricing what. The aim was to be a preferred supplier but it soon became apparent where the best price would come from.
        Also the question arises that “if they get the work, can they do the work?”. The lowest price is not always the best price but on the other side of the table that can be their mistake much to their later problems in reaching the conclusion of the contract.
        
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        February 18, 2018 9:11pm
Manolo

Our resident apologist (and pious Muslim) celebrates:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/02/17/london-sharia-fashion-show-islamic-clothing-burn-hijabs-iran/

London Modest Fashion Week will “celebrate” Britain’s growing sharia-compliant fashion industry — less than two weeks after women living under Islamic fundamentalist regimes risked imprisonment when they burnt their hijabs on No Hijab Day.

Described as an “exciting addition to the London fashion calendar” and “a celebration of style and global cultures”, London Modest Fashion Week will showcase “modest style” lines on the catwalk this weekend.
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February 18, 2018 8:32am
- Longknives
  
  Ooh Lovely
  A ‘Stella McCartney designed’ Garbage Sack for the Muslim Ladies to hide their scars and bruises..
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:36am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Swifty , which ones ? I’ve forgotten
    
    . Got to go !
    
    Longknives , peace on earth and goodwill to all people !
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:39am
- Rich Prick
  
  Emptying the laundry basket over your wife isn’t fashion, sorry.
  
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  February 18, 2018 11:56am
Swifty

Serious question for Stephieboy.

Why have you made so many mistakes this week e.g. demanding people put links to sources when the links were already there?
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February 18, 2018 8:34am
- VicParking
  
  Forgive him. Stephie’s in love. Brought a new goat.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:41am
  - Viking2
    
    Ha, I see Julie Ann Genter Is pregger’s. that u Stephie boy?
    
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    February 18, 2018 1:19pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  He will be busy atoning about now
  (Yes with an a, not a s)
  
  Back about 1pm
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:48am
- Piniwi
  
  Seriously Swifty you are just too nice. If the dead heads can’t find it then it is their loss since very little gets “lost” in the electronic age. Most others soon do their own fact checking if they are not already aware of it.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:15pm
Longknives

There was a list of ‘Pride Parade’ activities for children flying round Facebook.
Call me a prude if you like but I think it’s too far to encourage children to a parade openly celebrating Fisting etc (‘Kiwifist’ anyone?)
There is a lot of simulated sex and flashing goes on during those parades…I wouldn’t be taking my kids.
I’d feel the same if this was a Hetero Sex Show- Do people take their kids to ‘Boobs on Bikes’ etc?
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February 18, 2018 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  It has been noted elsewhere that in all the prominence the media give these parades , they almost always self censor and don’t show the weird stuff.
  
  The media agenda is that these public displays of perversity are normal ,family friendly affairs , and that;’s why kinky must not be shown to the rest of the world.
  
  Agenda.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:26am
  - KevOB
    
    What’s Jacinda doing in a kinky parade? Doesn’t the PM have the duty to uphold common decency?
    
    Could she have been arrested as a party to encouraging unacceptable public behaviour? It may have been edited out of broadcasts but the reports are that such occurred.
    
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    February 18, 2018 12:43pm
    - Longknives
      
      “It may have been edited out of broadcasts but the reports are that such occurred.”
      
      I’ve seen a few Pride Parades- (Lived in Auckland for ten plus years)
      There is always exhibitionism,sex acts and flashing.
      If I whip my cock out on Ponsonby Road on any normal occasion I would be arrested…These guys seemingly have a free pass (and disturbingly seem very keen to get Families with children down there to witness it)
      
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      February 18, 2018 5:42pm
      - KevOB
        
        I see the Police were marching too. This is a farce.
        
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        February 18, 2018 10:12pm
    - Piniwi
      
      But KevOB there will be a lot of “raw” footage floating around and likely to be posted somewhere. We did this remember.
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:19pm
flipper

After having dinner last night with eight (8)mature Wellingtonians it is apparent t0 Mr and Mrs Flipper that there is a substantial disc0nnect between the MSM and their darling pregnant PM
The issues were:
* Not married (partners are fine except for Prime Ministers.)
* Cannot be Prime Minister and the Mother of a swadling at the same time
* Should have done a five year apprenticeship as a Minister or a leader in business.
* Ardern is “clearly” being manipulated by others – Peters, Clark and the dyke
AT THE SAME TIME:
* Collins is seen as being continually and irrationally destructive
* Collins is seen as mutton dressed as lamb
* Collins needs dress and presentation improvement if she is to appeal to “The Real Majority” – not simply the non NP member prattlers.
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- stephieboy
  
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  “eight (8)mature Wellingtonians “ ??
  
  What a bunch of bores gathered around the table slurping and slopping
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:02am
  - srylands
    
    “slurping and slopping”
    
    That would be your goat.
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:15am
  - Viking2
    
    One of the very few sensible observations that you have made in 21181 posts.
    
    Bennet and Collins would be a good pick. Need some robustness and frankness about the bloody sad sack National Party.
    Being nice ain’t going to cut the mustard.
    
    Simon isn’t everyone’s big pick. Worse he is a target for Winston and is vulnerable to that.
    
    Amy is capable as a minister, but is not PM material YET.
    
    Less Catholic and less Maori is better.
    
    That way we get less compromise in all things.
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:17am
    - Digmen1
      
      No to two females
      And No to Paula Benefit.
      She has too much baggage, and she did nothing to help Bill in the last election!
      
      And she is bungling her questions in parliament lately.
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:39am
    - Harkman
      
      But the Catholic part of Bill English was the most Conservative part of him and I grew to like him.
      
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      February 18, 2018 12:34pm
    - big bruv
      
      “Amy is capable as a minister, but is not PM material YET.”
      
      Amy Adams is NZ’s very own version of Teresa May. We do not want that kind of leader thanks.
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:07pm
  - softail 1450
    
    streppieboy ,farmyard lover.
    
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    February 18, 2018 1:12pm
    - Gabby
      
      softcock 14yo, girlybike trainerwheels lover.
      
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      February 18, 2018 11:37pm
      - softail 1450
        
        grubby ,heavily on the booze sunday right thru until monday morning ,geeeez.
        
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        February 19, 2018 7:26am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  All NP faithful dining out on denial.
  
  The times they are a changin’.
  
  Insanity is doing the same virtue-signalling Labour Lite stuff that lost in 2017 and expecting a different result.
  
  Who else at that meal might be disconnected?
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:05am
  - srylands
    
    If National try to be moderate and progressive they could be in opposition for nine years. Even if Winston pulled the plug and forced an election. If an election were held any time soon we could well see a Labour – Green government.
    
    I’d say give Judith a go. If she fails she can always be replaced just before the next election. After all that is acceptable now.
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:19am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Uptick several times more from me srylands.
      Judith is Nationals only chance. Enough time before the next election to prove herself at PM material.
      Go Judith!
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:41am
    - Viking2
      
      Despite their recent high polling, National is a relic and it should divide into its constitute parts. A fractured centre-right collection of parties competing in the market place of ideas is what MMP demands and is the best way to combat the unrelenting ideology of an ever-expanding welfare state espoused by the current government.
      
      National is a beast whose time has past. To paraphrase Cromwell addressing the Rump parliament;
      
      “You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately. Depart, I say, and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!”
      
      The latest leadership carnival highlights how ideologically bankrupt the party has become. There is a desire for a “generational change”, which is meaningless and as far as I can tell none of the candidates would know who John Stuart Mill is, much less have read him, and would be unable to articulate the difference between Keynes and Friedman, pre-supposing they even knew who they were.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/101523338/damien-grant-national-party-is-a-relic-that-should-be-dismantled
      
      =——————————————
      There is much truth in this article. The Nats. have become a centrist left and right party with no moral compass. They have become wedded to a mish mash of policy to suit every man.
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:52am
      - brett68
        
        It’s because they’re operating National as a business, not a political party.
        
        If the focus groups/research say people want widgets then it’s out with whatever and in with widgets.
        
        That’s the right approach for business, not so great for a political party.
        
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        February 18, 2018 10:16am
      - KevOB
        
        What moral compass does the PM have?
        
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        February 18, 2018 12:48pm
      - sam green
        
        This is the line KevOB has been asked to spin – feel manipulated yet?
        
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        February 18, 2018 2:12pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Judith is the one who will hold the current 44% together and grow it from Winston’s mob. All the others will see the existing base eroded.
      
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      February 18, 2018 12:01pm
      - Toko
        
        Judith Collins has two masters degrees in Law and Tax. Former president of Akl law Soc and extensive ministerial and commercial experience. Jacinda has a Bachelors in Comms Studies and was a president of Union of Socialist Youth. No business or ministerial experience. I find it absurd that the media thinks Judith is too scarey for PM. Jacinda is the one who frightens me. Totally out of her depth and influenced by dark forces of unions, socialists, Winston and Helen Clark.
        
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        February 18, 2018 1:20pm
      - Jack5
        
        Jacinderella’s degree is a Bachelor of Communications Studies from Waikato University. That is, she has a PR degree.
        
        But I wouldn’t judge people by their tertiary education. Think of Palmer and Cunliffe, for example.
        
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        February 18, 2018 4:59pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Big Norm was a stationary engine driver, Muldoon was a Sergeant and Big Dave was a fatarsed waffler.
        I wouldn’t put much focus on folks qualifications! 🙂
        
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        February 18, 2018 5:13pm
  - Viking2
    
    They didn’t lose as you frequently like to say. They were beaten by the system.
    That they failed to properly understand the system is their failure.
    
    Same as Hillary.
    Problem for Turnball as well.
    Politics is a weird game.
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:21am
  - Gravelroad
    
    I thought the National Party got the most votes in the 2017 election?
    They “lost” because three parties,which each got fewer votes than National, joined forces under the opportunistic and cynical “leadership” of emperor Peters.
    Yes, before you erupt into derision, I do know that this is the way MMP works and “National has no friends”. But would you really want the untrustworthy Peters as your friend?
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:24am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Can’t fix stupid.
      
      It wasn’t a FPP election. National’s strategy was so stupid it could have been dreamt up by Hillary Clinton’s campaign team. It had two thrusts:
      – win as many seats as poss, bugger the cost to potential coalition partners
      – piss off the only viable coalition partner as much as possible.
      
      MPP is ONLY about counting to 61. Everything else is just loser whining and denial.
      
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      February 18, 2018 3:51pm
- MCos
  
  Doesn’t sound like there were too many laughs at that ‘party’.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:18am
  - mikenmild
    
    Flipper and his mates were probably remembering the good old days of Muldoon and his dignified cronies.
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:21am
    - Kimbo
      
      Brian Talboys and George Gair in Muldoon’s cabinet, had gravitas and immense ability. Colin McLachlan less so. Hence Talboys was pressured to retire after the failed Colonel’s Coup and Gair was always side lined. While McLachlan, a part owner with Muldoon in the race horse Noodlum (Muldoon’s name spelled backwards) was always part of the inner sanctum. There was a bit of truth to the description of Muldoon as “the Gang of One”! ?
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:51am
      - flipper
        
        Yeaaahhh… sort of
        Kimbo, the Christchurch connection was real. Silly Colin swallowed the Social Welfare Kool-Aid on the DPB , on the grounds that it would apply only to married women deserted ‘in the middle of the night”, and he sold RDM and others on that storey-line. If only 🙂
        On the other matter….Brian T and George were never close to the brat pack, and neither was McLachlan. He was really the South Island money raiser. The movers and shakers with Muldoon were Peter (Hiss and Roar) Gordon, David Thomson (the smiling assass ) and Duncan MacIntyre.
        On the other side there was John Ross Marshall. KJH kept them at each other and kept finding reasons for Jack to make yet another trip abroad.
        
        Interesting times !!!
        
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        February 18, 2018 10:30am
    - flipper
      
      Let me see now….
      * None were “into” politics, nor do any profess to be anything other than really informed on New Zealand and what makes it tick;
      * One is a prominent NZ winemaker and vineyard owner;
      * One an economist from the “Friedman school”
      * One a Barrister, and
      * One a prominent from a Jewish family with a 65 year history as quality watch makers.
      No silly Gattungs among them.
      Three had voted Labour in past elections, but then the arsehole describing itself as mikeinmild must have received the Moyle treatment because he continually snipes, and cannot remove himself from the places frequented by folk like Moyle and Davies. Say lickymickey, what has happened to Davies? Is he now servicing you?
      (YOU want to be nasty then suck on that mickey!)
      
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      February 18, 2018 9:57am
      - Kimbo
        
        Shit, flipper. That sounds like more interesting and stimulating company than my neighbours. Any chance of an invite to your next bbq? ?
        
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        February 18, 2018 10:02am
      - mikenmild
        
        Lucky they were all able to describe themselves as ‘really informed’ – were they teenagers?
        
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        February 18, 2018 10:23am
      - GazzaW
        
        I would quit while you’re ahead mikey. The ice is getting inexorably thinner.
        
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        February 18, 2018 11:18am
      - Gabby
        
        Whaddafugga you on frigger?
        
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        February 18, 2018 11:44pm
- brett68
  
  And this is why the National party is fucked.
  
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  February 18, 2018 10:05am
wiseowl

Careful DP. You might get wrapped over the knuckles by Happy.
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February 18, 2018 9:21am
- Happychappy
  
  Well that would better than listening to a hypocritical prick like you. All you ever do is whinge about National and dream about the policies of the fifties, forgetting how your mate Winston still wants fuckwits like you to stir up National stalwarts so they will vote for him. GO crawl back to the rock you came from.
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:37am
Humble Capitalist

Our wonderful PM select has lectured the NZ business community during the week about how we will generate and share prosperity. Her knowledge on this is limited to the price of fish, 2 hot dogs and a scoop of chips at best.
She agreed that the business (lack of) confidence surveys were the elephant in the room and compared them to like being in high school and finding out notes were being handed around the classroom about you. Sums it up really – the lack of maturity to the very serious business of running the economy and providing an environment for bedder job security for Kiwis.
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February 18, 2018 9:30am
- Peter
  
  She is right about one thing – the lack of confidence in the government. How strange that smiling, being posidiv and chanting silly slogans doesn’t increase business activity or productivity.
  
  Whatever will they do now?
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:48am
  - mandk
    
    You just wait until they re-enter the Pike River mine.
    
    They’ll start working a new seam of fairy dust and everything will be alright.
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:06am
    - KevOB
      
      There may be an almighty explosion and our political situation have to be reviewed pronto.
      
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      February 18, 2018 12:52pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Please please please let Winnie lead them in holding a candle !!
        
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        February 18, 2018 1:12pm
    - G152
      
      My life expectancy will not permit me to see that and, unless you’re 18 with relatives getting to their hundreds, I wont hold out much hope of you seeing the entry either
      
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      February 18, 2018 12:56pm
Harkman

Stroppyboy only brought up 21,000 posts like 2/3 days ago. c.180 posts since, what a pest. 60 per day, maybe more. A paid leftist spammer.
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February 18, 2018 9:35am
- thedavincimode
  
  Yes, but at least he’s dumber ‘n a sack full of hammers. And besides, 50% of those posts are his misogynistic trolling of Maggy with the inevitable consequence of copping a kick in the jack crackers.
  
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  February 18, 2018 10:54am
  - sooty
    
    She’s wining that one. The idiot should give up and slink away.
    
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    February 18, 2018 1:35pm
  - Gabby
    
    Are you one of his exes damingygoat?
    
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    February 18, 2018 11:50pm
    - softail 1450
      
      grubbie ,pissed again .
      
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      February 19, 2018 7:23am
- calendar girl
  
  “Spammers” (in the plural), Harkman. There seems to be plenty of evidence in the styles of grammar, syntax and spelling that there are more than one ‘stephieboy’ troll.
  
  The result of which is unquestionably negative for the information, opinions and tone that KB could otherwise bring to its readers and contributors. Without being in favour of censorship of different opinions, I do wish that there was a means of preventing multiple trolls from operating behind a single nom-de-plume.
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:27pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I’m almost certain he’s/she’s Aldo, Brito and all the camels! 🙂
    
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    February 18, 2018 4:26pm
  - Harkman
    
    True, my spelling. ztev is certainly a group.
    
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    February 18, 2018 5:14pm
- sam green
  
  The left don’t actually want him Harkman.
  
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  February 18, 2018 4:24pm
- Gabby
  
  A hackman should be able to do better than that.
  
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  February 18, 2018 11:49pm
Digmen1

Yes, National need to move more to the centre right, so that there is a clear differential between National and the COL.

I really hope they don’t pick Amy Fairy tale Adams, she is not that photogenic, and she is too much of a “progressive”

Progressives belong in the Labour or Green pardies.
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February 18, 2018 9:37am
- GazzaW
  
  You might not like it Digmen but the Nats have their share of progressives too. A shift to the right risks losing them to Labour or the Greens but by maintaining the status quo they won’t lose your or my vote because we have nowhere else to go.
  
  In an ideal world I would love to see a centrist Blue-Greens party set up as a coalition partner and then the Nats could move a tad to the right.
  
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  February 18, 2018 11:08am
- KevOB
  
  National has happily acquired the centre ground but a touch left. That’s where NZ has been heading for 70 years. We have an enviable system. Only those who have not looked at the international comparisons would want to change.
  Now we have to combat a bunch of juvenile amateur wannabe communists who neither possess experience or the ability to gain it.
  
  Knowing the cost of everything but the value of nothing and pursuing that as a political goal is not in the national interest. Villages work because all are cared for. The demand for that must increase with automation removing work. Robots can be taxed but those whom they replace still need feeding unless the population is to be adjusted.
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:03pm
Manolo

The progressive billionaire wants more controls:
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/02/16/soros-calls-eu-regulate-social-media-fight-populism/

Billionaire open-borders activist George Soros has demanded the European Union regulate social media because voters’ minds are being controlled and “manipulated”.

He claimed the size of social media firms made them a “public menace” and argued they had led people to vote against globalist causes, including electing President Donald J. Trump, in an article for The Guardian published Thursday.
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February 18, 2018 9:40am
- Harkman
  
  Soros is such an arsehole. He would pay student groups in Eastern Europe to organize civil disobedience, to bring that country to a stand still just as it was adjusting to having a market economy. He would then attack the currency and the bond market, all while funneling his money through the Netherlands Antilles and then funding the Democrats.
  
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  February 18, 2018 11:07am
Chuck Bird

I just read the following about mass killers in the US. I wonder if any with legal knowledge know if any killer in NZ has been fined as well as sentenced to life and if not whether they could be under existing legislation.

Holmes was found guilty on all 165 counts against him. He avoided the death penalty because the jury couldn’t reach a unanimous decision, and was instead sentenced to life in prison without parole at Colorado State Penitentiary, the highest security jail in the state. He was also ordered to pay $US954,878 ($A1.2 million) in restitution.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11996969
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February 18, 2018 9:47am
Manolo

Madness. The socialist cretin in The Vatican claims the African invaders are “a gift” to Italy!
http://www.liberoquotidiano.it/news/sfoglio/13310432/papa-francesco-rifugiati-sono-dono-alessandro-meluzzi-lo-attacca.html
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February 18, 2018 9:50am
- Digmen1
  
  He should be shot, along with Angela Merkel.
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:20pm
- Inandout
  
  Has someone told the Pontiff that African invaders don’t really fancy priests, and how many invaders are employed in the Vatican? If he thinks Aids and a host of other diseases is a gift, then he is deluded. And if the invaders have goats on their minds then they should think again.
  
  https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2010/11/photogalleries/101101-ibex-goats-dam-italy-bighorn-sheep-wyoming-science/
  
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  February 18, 2018 2:22pm
  - Kimbo
    
    I think you will find the Jewish/Christian story is grounded in mercy towards the refugee, as Israel were once strangers in Egypt from whence they were delivered from slavery, to the story of the birth of Jesus to his out-of-town family struggling to find adequate accommodation in census-packed Bethlehem. Doesn’t make open borders right or practicable, but these people are human beings created in the image of God. Sorry to get all religious, but someone did drag the Pope into this. ?
    
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    February 18, 2018 2:29pm
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
… THE BRITISH HOUSING DISASTER … (LIKE NEW ZEALAND) TRASHING TORIES … refer GONE GONE GOING section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2018/02/nz-labour-government-targets-property-speculators/#comment-3051453 … with extensive further associated material …

Millenials property woes could see Corbyn IN POWER, PM warned | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/919753/Theresa-May-housing-crisis-Jeremy-Corbyn-IFS-report

According to a report by the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS), only a quarter of young middle class professionals are on the housing ladder, compared to two-thirds in the 1990s.

And the figures are a stark warning for Mrs May, with Tory MPs urging her to take radical action.

They fear Mr Corbyn is using the issue to lure more young people to the Labour cause, giving him the upper hand at the next election.

Conservative MP Nick Boles warned: “The double whammy of stagnant wages and spiralling house prices has had a devastating effect on the ability of people in their 20s and 30s to but their own home. … read more via hyperlink above …

Russell Lynch: If the Tories can’t do housing, then what are they for? … Evening Standard

https://www.standard.co.uk/business/russell-lynch-if-the-tories-can-t-do-housing-then-what-are-they-for-a3768386.html

Tory mantra has had it for decades that the best defence against socialism is a property-owning democracy.

That’s why today’s depressing report from the Institute for Fiscal Studies should have Conservative high command in such a blue funk. It contains the seeds of why they could easily lose the next election.

When only a quarter of 25 to 34-year-olds on middle incomes can afford a home — far fewer in the still-ludicrous London market — that’s the next generation of Tory voters going up in smoke. If you’re in your 30s, maybe with a young family, and stuck in the private rental market, why shouldn’t you listen to Jeremy Corbyn?

Google News Search ‘Institute Fiscal Studies Housing’

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=institute+fiscal+studies+housing&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjvubHn4q3ZAhWLx7wKHRZUAhMQ_AUICigB&biw=960&bih=408
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February 18, 2018 9:52am
- Harkman
  
  The only people that use the word “Tory” are Marxists.
  
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  February 18, 2018 11:09am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    Harkman … really ?
    
    From early September … just prior to the election …
    
    Ardern v English: Leaders’ house price claims face credibility claims | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/96556989/arden-v-english-house-price-claims-face-credibility-claims
    
    … extract …
    
    VERDICT ON ENGLISH
    
    English’s answer may provide comfort for homeowners enriched as a result of a failure to build enough homes to meet demand, but it offers none to a generation of people left renting from astronomically high house prices.
    
    Hugh Pavletich, who describes himself as “somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan”, said: “There has already been a generation that’s been severely mistreated because of this housing issue, and what Mr English is saying is another generation should miss out. That is grossly irresponsible.”
    
    Pavletich said prices must fall, gradually, until they are around three times median income.
    
    English’s vision of prices staying level, but falling in real terms as wages rise, wouldn’t achieve that.
    
    Auckland needed only look to Christchurch for its housing solution, Pavletich said. Spread out. Free up land supply. Let people build.
    
    Pavletich does not believe National has the policies to keep prices flat as incomes rise. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    … From March 2017 …
    
    The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/The-NZ-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-Labour-polling
    
    … and mid 2016 …
    
    Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html
    
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    February 18, 2018 11:47am
    - Harkman
      
      Here in Chch the resource consent process takes years and that is with National speeding things up.
      
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      February 18, 2018 12:39pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        I am talking about Greater Christchurch … led by the smaller and therefore responsive local government units of Selwyn and Waimakariri.
        
        Check out the ‘consent rates per 1000 population per annum’ graphs within the Important Graphs section of my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
        These smaller Councils ‘saved’ Greater Christchurch.
        
        Nobody gives a fig about the former central area bureaucratic playpen … which can most charitably be described as a desolate bureaucratic dump.
        
        There is going to be massive money lost in that central area. Even I’m shocked just how bad it is.
        
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        February 18, 2018 12:51pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        UNITED STATES: “There Is An Acute Crisis Coming”: Apartment Developer | Zero Hedge
        
        https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-17/there-acute-crisis-coming-apartment-developer
        
        On Friday, the housing market received a strong bullish jolt from the latest starts and permits data, which however showed that while traditional single-family units barely budged, there was another sharp spike higher in multi-family, i.e. rental unit construction. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        February 18, 2018 6:16pm
flipper

Kimbo …..
I would enjoy that.
But the happening was at a restaurant and was a birthday celebration that we attended as guests. 🙂
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February 18, 2018 10:10am
- mikenmild
  
  Hey, I was at a dinner at Cobb & Co, Levin, last night and nearly everyone nodded and agreed with my drunken ramblings.
  
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  February 18, 2018 10:27am
  - thedavincimode
    
    After flipper’s 9:57: “YOU want to be nasty then suck on that mickey!” I couldn’t see how you could make it back. But you made it.
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:49am
    - Gabby
      
      Did you get alimony damingygoat?
      
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      February 18, 2018 11:57pm
  - Inandout
    
    You sure pick classy restaurants don’t you?
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:54am
  - GazzaW
    
    Do they still do a mean leathery overcooked steak and soggy fries MnM?
    
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    February 18, 2018 11:11am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    You really epitomise everything that is loathesome about the poison of libtardery MM.
    
    Still you embody Lincoln’s quote “It is better to remain silent and thought a fool, than to speak out and prove the point”
    
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    February 18, 2018 3:56pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Flipper, did you just sit there and listen or did you say what you thought like Judith?
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:46pm
GazzaW

JAG to make an announcement of a personal nature at midday.
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February 18, 2018 10:31am
- sooty
  
  Leaving.
  
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  February 18, 2018 10:48am
  - GazzaW
    
    Has the blatant compromising of Green Party principles over the Kermadec Marine Reserve and the backdown on fishing boat monitoring gotten too much for her? I wish……..
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:58am
- brett68
  
  Probably pregnant.
  
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  February 18, 2018 11:04am
- Swifty
  
  Having first child.
  
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  February 18, 2018 12:48pm
- Durden
  
  #meetoo
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:15pm
- thedavincimode
  
  I shall be holding press conferences as follows:
  
  Tomorrow – a personal statement at mid-day in order to announce what I’m having for dinner.
  
  Mid-day on Thursday in order to advise whether I’ve received any mail during the week.
  
  Next Sunday at mid-day to announce possible further press conferences in the following week.
  
  Ends.
  
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  February 18, 2018 4:01pm
  - Swifty
    
    Indeed.
    
    Who do these people think they are?
    
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    February 18, 2018 7:35pm
Harkman

So yesterday I recalled an old Green party pamphlet from 2006/2007, on it there was Sue Benefit-Fraud moaning about the need to increase handouts and on the other side Sue Kedgley was calling for a sugar tax, healthy school food and ranting against McDonald’s. The truth is there is a lot of McD’s in NZ. Anyhow, at the time I worked out that down here in Chch before the earthquakes you could travel from a WINZ on Colombo street just south of Moorhouse Ave in Sydenham (when the first quake hit on Sept 4 you would have seen pictures of old english-style shops with the bricks shaken off revealing the upstairs toilets etc). You head north up Columbo (about 400m) hang a right on Moorhouse, then go past the Paknsave (200m), hang a left and go up Manchester street to High St where head branch was (800m), you then hang a right and head east along Cashel St to Linwood, there just past Stanmore Rd there was a WINZ branch (less than 2km), then along about 1km there was another branch on the corner of Linwood Ave (which has now moved around the corner).

So under the last Labour government there was 4 WINZs in a 3-4km route and no McDonald’s. 3 of these 4 branches closed under National (though the Sydenham branch is now around the corner so really 2). Watch this number grow again.
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February 18, 2018 10:55am
Chris2

Have you seen the Employment Relations (Triangular Employment) Bill that was drawn from the Ballot in Parliament on 1 Feb 2018?

https://www.mckoneconsultancy.com/single-post/2018/02/14/Employment-Relations-Triangular-Employment-Bill
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February 18, 2018 11:14am
Harkman

So last night on the news I heard Iain Lees-Galloway blabbering on about getting those with disabilities back into the workforce. On the surface this sounds rosy. He Trumpeted a $1b in benefit.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/employers-encouraged-take-more-workers-disabilities-v1

The problem is we live in a $270b> economy so that is a 0.3% one of gain, next to nothing. Whereas a $10-20b p.a. oil or gas find would actually improve our standards of living. Anyhow that $1b figure was gross not net.
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February 18, 2018 11:20am
Gravelroad

Here is a party political broadcast:
The Ztevs are back from their hols.
Three posts so far on the pride parade thread!
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February 18, 2018 11:38am
- KiWombat
  
  Noticed that GR.
  
  Also noticed that stephie was trolling around earlier today, but no comments since about 9:30.
  
  We then had a change of shift and the Z man has taken over at about that time – or did he?
  
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  February 18, 2018 12:07pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    No, I think SB is a different fish to the ztevs.
    SB flails around in a loner sort of way.
    Ztevs are much more organised and focussed on trolling against any opposition at all to “correct thinking” as decreed by the socialists/communists.
    
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    February 18, 2018 12:49pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

Last week I posted that I was quite keen for Adams and Mitchell for leaders of National. Since then I’ve seen those little vox pops on TV with Adams. She’s hard working. Great behind the scenes, and that is where she belongs. All her comments were carefully scripted responses. She came across as two scoops of vanilla. Which is ok as I like vanilla but it’s not what will win 2020 for National. I’m starting to sway more for Collins and either Mitchell or Bridges. There is a lot of potential in Mitchell and he might be better at raising his profile over the next few years. By then the likes of Dowie will be experienced and you will have a good young(ish) leaders to take on and win. As a side note I’ve always liked Nathan Guy. His ability to connect to the rural areas is untouchable in government. Is he thought of highly? So many of the Labour cabinet all come from Auckland. They are showing themselves to be quite disconnected from the rest of New Zealand.
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February 18, 2018 11:51am
Komata

But MU, I thought that Auckland WAS the centre of New Zealand!!
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February 18, 2018 11:55am
- The only red for me is that of Manchester United
  
  That woman from the Greens who is wanting to be the co-leader was down in Invercargill last week rabbiting on about zero fees being rolled out across the country at other institutes. She was pleasantly surprised by Invercargill. Again this Auckland based leadership from supposed middle class liberal bigots from big cities who have no idea of what life is like out of Auckland. Labour shows a real disconnection with the rest of New Zealand. It’s only South Auckland, Dunedin, Wellington and bits of Christchurch that they connect with. Wouldn’t you want your deputy leader or leader to know where Ashburton is and what it’s like there? I do wonder if a rural right wing party being established would be of a good idea?
  
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  February 18, 2018 12:43pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    Any rural based party would be bombed out of existence within a week, MU.
    As seen during the 2017 election campaign urban NZ loathes rural, and farmers especially, with a passion.
    Very few National Party people have the courage to support rural land use for anything other than conservation. Ask the Hon Nick Smith.
    By the way, what’s happened about all the massively polluted waterways destroying our environment thanks to farming? Is it all fixed now that Peters is in charge?
    Never mind about all the mental health/suicide issues in rural communities made so much worse by the uninformed hatred fueled by the left.
    Rant over!
    
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    February 18, 2018 1:03pm
  - Viking2
    
    Well she has been connecting with someone lately.
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2018/02/greens-leadership-candidate-julie-anne-genter-is-pregnant.html
    
    “Peter and I have some amazing news!” she wrote on Instagram.
    
    “We’re going to have get an extra seat for our bikes – we’re expecting our first child in early August. We are so happy. 2018 is going to be an even bigger adventure!”
    
    The Minister for Women included an image of a couple on bikes, with a baby riding in a seat behind mum.
    
    “We’re expecting our first child in early August. It’s a bit exciting and unexpected,” she told media on Sunday afternoon.
    
    She will take three months off her parliamentary duties, but hopes to work a bit from home when her baby’s six weeks old.
    
    Ms Genter, 38, has previously had two miscarriages. In August she shared an “incredibly insensitive” email she received from a member of the public, blaming her miscarriages on fluoridation.
    
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    February 18, 2018 1:36pm
    - Inandout
      
      Bloody fluoridation, robbing our bodies of precious bodily fluids.
      
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      February 18, 2018 2:26pm
cas

Been watching a doco series about Churchill and the decisions he had to make during WW II. One of these was to order the blowing up of the French Navy. I couldn’t help wondering how the nice Jacinda ( see HDPA column on this today!!) would cope with such a decision.
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February 18, 2018 12:34pm
- Kimbo
  
  Mers-al-Kebir. A tragedy that was probably necessary. Churchill at his most ruthless, not prepared to take the risk that the French Admiral Darlan would keep his (private) word that if the Nazis ever tried to seize the Vichy fleet, it would be scuttled. If nothing else, it sent the message to Roosevelt that the Brits were in it for the long-haul.
  
  No, couldn’t see Saccharine Cindy be up for a tough decision like that. Judith Collins, yes!
  
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  February 18, 2018 12:43pm
- MCos
  
  The chances of Ardern, or any other NZ PM, being faced with making such a decision is zero.
  Key had to mull over sending ten soldiers to Iraq. That’s about it for us . . . .
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:40pm
Manolo

Some of these athletes can hardly talk, let alone express an opinion in a coherent way:
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/374375-ingraham-comments-reignite-political-feud-with-nba-stars

Ingraham on her show suggested NBA stars shouldn’t talk politics, telling Kevin Durant and LeBron James to “shut up and dribble.” Durant and LeBron in a video had criticized President Trump.

Multiple players rallied against Ingraham, and Durant called her comments “racist.”

The feud follows the recent debate, centered around the NFL football season, over whether players should use their platform for political statements.
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February 18, 2018 12:36pm
- Inandout
  
  I like Ingraham, she has balls that woman.
  
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  February 18, 2018 2:28pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Is she Thai?
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:24pm
Peter

There is now a baby competition.
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February 18, 2018 12:45pm
- sooty
  
  No Secret Cindy is the mother of the nations baby.
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:47pm
  - Inandout
    
    We now have a watermelon baby.
    
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    February 18, 2018 2:29pm
- Doubledimp
  
  Will the last female MP in parliament please turn out the lights upon leaving?
  
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  February 18, 2018 5:24pm
DifferentPerspective

Hollywood trolled on Black Panther

OMG I love how utterly predictable libtards are. They can’t laugh at themselves at all and they’re continually offended by everything.

Breitbart does a hilarious post showing how the new SJW orgy of virtue-signalling in Black Panther is really a shout-out to Trump:
– strong leader wanting to put the citizens of his country first
– country with amazing natural wealth
– invaded by evil BLM barbarians requiring strong border control

Obviously, tongue in cheek, obviously making fun of the racist sub-messages in Black Panther.

But Hollywood is “Outraged” by the Brietbart story
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February 18, 2018 12:51pm
softail 1450

i dont really like crusher collins but OMG im seriously hoping she is selected as the nats new leader after listening to her 2 main rivals making various speeches during the last 10 days.
national will be destined to idle along for years unless they choose a leader with some grit who simply wont take any shit ,especially from our lefty fawning msm.
national has by far the biggest support base in our country but bad wishy washy leadership will seriously erode that by 2020.
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February 18, 2018 1:01pm
- Viking2
  
  Why Bridges won’t do.
  
  As you all know Winston was a Nat. MP for Tauranga, that was until he fell out with his friends and went about forming NZ First. He then held that seat for a number of elections during which worked very hard for the electorate. He used his efforts to help change the Law so we could have our first bridge to the Mount and to be able to use tolls to pay for the said bridge and its further development to include the estuary motorway.
  When the need for a second bridge came along he was back in there working on our behalf and going into coalition with Clark our second bridge was part of the deal.
  Meantime the Nats. appointed Bob Clarkson to be MP but in the end Key couldn’t stand working with someone who knew what he was doing and talking about so sacked Clarkson in favour of Bridges.
  About that time the second bridge was completed and Simon was the person who opened the bridge despite the effort being the work of others.(which he glaringly never acknowledged.)
  Winston, whose efforts should have been recognized was not invited.
  So when Bridges made claims of 10 bridges in Northland to beat Peter’s in the by election but then never delivered as he couldn’t Winston was even further embittered.
  
  Bridges then went on and promised a noisy group of residents in Welcome Bay who had a minor traffic problem that they could have a great underpass. That is now nearly completed at the expense of much more urgently needed road construction. i.e. he bought his seat with a bribe.
  
  Now when we are really in trouble with our roading in several places he has no clout to get stuff done.
  
  The road to Katikati is one of the most dangerous in NZ with traffic volumes going up daily.
  
  Wispers from within NZTA tell us that Labour is about to can the work on that road.
  
  Why?
  UTU against the way Winston was treated by the Nats here and the money will be spent in Northland.
  
  Bridges ain’t not nor ever will be PM material.
  
  Neither a Winston nor Bridges fan so not promoting either.
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:58pm
Johnboy

So Julie Anne’s been riding more than just a bike! 🙂
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February 18, 2018 1:18pm
- RF
  
  I thought she batted for the other team ????
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:21pm
  - Johnboy
    
    You got confused between Nun’s and Nunne’s! 🙂
    
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    February 18, 2018 1:22pm
- Gabby
  
  Instead of just talkin bout it johnsboy.
  
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  February 19, 2018 12:24am
DigNap15

Well, at least Judith Collins won’t be getting pregnant.
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February 18, 2018 1:23pm
- Johnboy
  
  She’s quite sexy looking though to older chaps like me. 🙂
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:25pm
  - sam green
    
    “Eyebrows of Satan”? You’re kidding me. She’d eat you up – still – if that’s what you’re in to so be it.
    
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    February 18, 2018 2:20pm
  - MCos
    
    What sort of old codger is that, Johnny?
    
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    February 18, 2018 6:59pm
  - Gabby
    
    johnsboy sheepishly admits the extent of his fetish.
    
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    February 19, 2018 12:26am
DigNap15

I’m making an announcement.

I am not pregnant.

I’ve just changed my nickname from Digmen1 to DigNap15

Unfortunately I have always been worried that my user name would associate me with being gay, which I am definitely not
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February 18, 2018 1:26pm
- Johnboy
  
  All you poofs say that when you’re too frightened to get out of the closet! 🙂
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:38pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Good lord! So now a heterosexual has to pretend he’s gay!! What a f***ed up world we live in.
    
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    February 18, 2018 1:40pm
- Swifty
  
  Not that there’s anything wrong with that….
  
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  February 18, 2018 2:15pm
- sam green
  
  We all know you’re gay DigNap15. Too late sorry.
  
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  February 18, 2018 2:21pm
  - DigNap15
    
    Damn,
    I should have changed my name to Ironballs or I Rootanychick
    
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    February 18, 2018 2:30pm
    - nasska
      
      You should have left it the way it was.
      
      You’d have doubled your chances of scoring Saturday nights. 🙂
      
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      February 18, 2018 3:35pm
      - stigie
        
        Hell yes, especially the K road area !~
        
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        February 18, 2018 3:47pm
    - Johnboy
      
      StickMan15″ would have been a sure bet! 🙂
      
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      February 18, 2018 3:38pm
- thedavincimode
  
  DigNap15. You beat me to it re the announcements. You’re so gay.
  
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  February 18, 2018 4:04pm
  - DigNap15
    
    So which toilets do you frequent?
    
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    February 18, 2018 9:59pm
lifesgood

Quite a few times on here there have been references to the fact that the partner of a certain prominent (in more ways than one) woman is coming up on drug charges shortly. Is this fact or is it just hear say. I am curious and will be even more curious if name suppression applies and it is kept right out of the msm.
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February 18, 2018 1:27pm
- stigie
  
  Surely it’s not Helen Klark’s husband..?
  
  Dad would’ve known before us lot !~
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:52pm
- sooty
  
  If it is the partner of the mother of the nations baby, I would expept the MSM to suddenly stop mentioning his name. He will be non gratis? And the baby will have half a dozen sitters, following it around.
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:52pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I never thought of that aspect of it till your post sooty. 🙂
    Judy Bailey must be utterly pissed off! 🙂
    
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    February 18, 2018 2:05pm
- sam green
  
  So life’s good – you just thought you’d bring it up then. It that to keep the rumour alive or just to make yourself seem relevant?
  
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  February 18, 2018 2:24pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Get lost you idiot. It was a genuine question. I would like to know if the rumours are true. Your response seems to suggest they are. I hope I haven’t hurt your feelings you poor sensitive lefty, obviously, soul.
    
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    February 18, 2018 10:43pm
    - Gabby
      
      Why do you give a shit likesfood? Why not focus on the shit Big Julee’s squeeze is up to?
      
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      February 19, 2018 12:40am
      - softail 1450
        
        grubbies drunk again.
        
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        February 19, 2018 6:24am
- Inandout
  
  If it is the Prince then in a small country like NZ it would leak out. There are lawyers, Court staff, Police and assorted others who would know and one at least would squeal. I must say for all his faults, Slater has good sources and would publish.
  
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  February 18, 2018 2:37pm
- Doubledimp
  
  My question would be; how many times has he been representing NZ on the world stage with his pardner while simultaneously being sh!tfaced?
  
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  February 18, 2018 5:27pm
  - Gabby
    
    Muldoonian levels of shifacedness, or McIntyrean dibbledump?
    
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    February 19, 2018 12:41am
DigNap15

Gee, the Herald is getting worse.

They now think that there is a mystery in Te Kuiti about who won the 7 million lotto only 13 hours ago.

Why is it a mystery?
Are the police looking into it?
Have the Herald got hundreds of journalists scouring the streets?
Do most big winners announce their name that same day?

Most people in Te Kuiti will know its not themselves.

Why not just say.
The latest jackpot of 7.5 million was bought in Te Kuiti, they might be from Wellington and just passing through!
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February 18, 2018 1:39pm
- Johnboy
  
  It was Jim Bolger! 🙂
  
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  February 18, 2018 1:42pm
  - sooty
    
    Or maybe Meads!
    
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    February 18, 2018 1:53pm
    - Johnboy
      
      He’s dead. Jim’s just braindead! 🙂
      
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      February 18, 2018 1:56pm
    - Kimbo
      
      You mean Stan? Sadly the mighty Pinetree fell last year. Or maybe Colin’s oldest son, Glynn/Pinecone. ?
      
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      February 18, 2018 1:56pm
      - sooty
        
        Knew of a man called Sticky. Son was Tacky.
        
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        February 18, 2018 2:01pm
      - Johnboy
        
        What was his daughter? 🙂
        
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        February 18, 2018 2:06pm
      - Inandout
        
        And Glynn’s son, Seedling.
        
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        February 18, 2018 2:39pm
MCos

America has a terrible problem to confront with the issue of school shootings, which is not something that our country has had to grapple with . . . . . . thusfar.
However we have no reason to be smug. We have a very high incidence of youth suicide – the worst by far amongst the OECD countries.
I’m no expert on what drives youth to such extreme measures, but from what I understand it’s could be a combination of anger/depression/rejection and a copycat mentality in both countries.
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February 18, 2018 1:58pm
- Inandout
  
  Add a useless and socialist education system where it is the fault of everyone else, never the perpetrator.
  
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  February 18, 2018 2:42pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  The start of the solution surely must be by the left to stop standing triumphantly atop the bodies of the victims in order to achieve the disarmament of the populace under false pretences. It’s immoral and it shows the unscrupulous lengths the new fascist left will go to to impose their idea of a socialist nirvana.
  
  The second step is for some honesty in the discussion about gun control. The truths are simple:
  – not one NRA member has every been responsible for a mass shooting (4chan trolled AP re the FL shooter)
  – more often than not, the shooters are registered democrats or leftist inclined
  – gun controlled cities boast the highest rates of gun deaths
  – bans never work (look how they worked for alcohol, drugs, sugar etc), it’s a King Canute situation now
  – the number of school shootings is massively over-counted (see the first prerequisite about standing on kid’s bodies for political gain)
  – look at the real problem area, the mental health of the shooters and the drugs influencing their behaviour.
  
  The dis-arming of the population increases the likelihood of shootings as the dangerous nutters will always find a way to arm themselves.
  
  And finally now that it has become clear:
  – how the FBI has become an arm of the dnc party, – who are so wrapped up achieving political witch-hunts that
  they couldn’t find time to prevent a self-confessed school shooter wannabee who was advertising his intentions on Youtube under his own name.
  
  It is clear that when law enforcement is too busy acting politically to prevent a crime that the best option is for ordinary, decent people to be self-responsible and be prepared to defend themselves – because no one else will.
  
  But hey, that’s just coming from a place where logic and facts inform decision-making – I’m sure feelings will defend all the libtards just as well.
  
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  February 18, 2018 3:29pm
  - MCos
    
    The problem in this country is youth suicide.
    None of what you say has any relevance here.
    FBI, NRA nothing to do with us . . . .
    
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    February 18, 2018 4:02pm
    - kowtow
      
      The media giving these things such prominence has been said to be a big part of the copy cat syndrome that these appalling events have become.
      
      Losers see they get the fame (infamy) and attention they crave.
      
      The media is a huge part of the problem.
      
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      February 18, 2018 7:38pm
sooty

So is JAG
Going to pull out of the nutless coleader race.
Resign and put her feet up.
What’s her retirement package worth.
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February 18, 2018 1:59pm
- Kimbo
  
  Unfortunately, no! Genter is a voice of apparent moderation who could propel the Greens to over the 12% mark where they once polled before the vainglorious self immolation of Meteria Turei. In contrast Marama Davidson would be the gift that keeps on giving to the right by scaring the living crap out of middle NZ, and reminding them, once Peters and NZ Girst goes, what a Labour/Green coalition government would look like! ?
  
  But a genuine congratulations and best wishes to Genter and Nunn for a successful pregnancy.
  
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  February 18, 2018 2:13pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    I agree and disagree.
    
    For the times I’ve heard JAG on the radio, I failed to discern much of the “voice of apparent moderation” element to her. I would concede she’s more moderate than her caucus colleagues, but that’s like saying Jacinda has more substance than Kelvin (the bar is ankle-high low).
    
    But I’m whole-heartedly with you on MaramaD. She oozes racism, stupidity and uselessness from every pore in her body – I’m tempted to join the Greens just so I could influence her election as co-leader.
    
    And also I think it’s just fabulous news re the pregnancy. While I hate her politics, I can only wish the very best for her, her partner and for the new life growing inside of her (even if it is a choice that will increase by a factor of 10 her carbon footprint over time).
    
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    February 18, 2018 3:45pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Yes DP I also don’t like her Politics but you would never begrudge someone that has had horrible luck in pregnancy, best wishes and good luck on the news of becoming pregnant again. Not everyone gets the chance to start a family so I am sure they will be overwhelmed.
      
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      February 18, 2018 4:14pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Yes, I added the word “apparent” for a reason. All the Greens are as mad a a mongoose as far as I’m concerned, but JAG seems less mad and/or hides it better for the consumption of middle NZ. ?
      
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      February 18, 2018 4:20pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Lets just see if she walks the talk and uses washable hemp nappies 😉
      
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      February 18, 2018 8:29pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Hell no. A bun in the oven is the latest ‘must have’ political accessory. The trick is to maximise the fanfare.
  
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  February 18, 2018 4:07pm
- KiWombat
  
  She has to hang in until November 27th before the retirement pension kicks in
  
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  February 18, 2018 7:38pm
sooty

Can’t remember if this was asked.
Are MP’s entitled to paid maternity leave?
There seems to be one law for everybody else.
Cindys taking 6 weeks.
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February 18, 2018 2:11pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  No
  
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  February 18, 2018 3:23pm
Cod Weyne

Saw a great tweet today
Using my iPad
5 yo Grandson: what game are you playing?
Me: paying the bills
Grandson: Are you winning.
Me: No
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February 18, 2018 2:22pm
Johnboy

It looks to me that the rates and the rents in Wanganui are far too high or they are far too low in Auckland. 🙂
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11995201
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February 18, 2018 2:40pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Regardless, I have been for a looksee down there after KS recommended it and am seriously considering making the move!
  
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  February 18, 2018 3:14pm
  - Johnboy
    
    You’ll have to learn to write english in a different way old chap! 🙂
    
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    February 18, 2018 3:19pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Can’t write it correctly now… the change is likely to be that substantial as to improve my intellect!
      
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      February 18, 2018 3:33pm
- DigNap15
  
  And I thought the major trend was everyone is moving to Auckland for jobs, business, and excitement etc.
  
  Just because the Herald found 3 people that moved to Wanganui
  
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  February 18, 2018 3:28pm
  - Johnboy
    
    KS put them up to it. He’s short of a couple of employees! 🙂
    
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    February 18, 2018 3:29pm
EAD_TWO

What ya doing Rabbi?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/the-rabbi-who-rallies-american-jews-for-the-global-refugee-cause/

Instead of rallying Jews to the cause of bringing in more 3rd worlders into America, why don’t you clean up your own back yard first?

Surely charity begins at home?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/02/israel-to-tell-african-migrants-leave-or-face-indefinite-imprisonment
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February 18, 2018 2:46pm
- Johnboy
  
  Surely they could convert to Judaism READ_TWO? 🙂
  
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  February 18, 2018 2:51pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Impossible Johnboy – the Jews are a race, not a religion.
    
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-speakers-who-want-to-immigrate-could-need-dna-test/
    
    http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/New-law-says-genetic-test-valid-for-determining-Jewish-status-in-some-cases-506584
    
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    February 18, 2018 3:00pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Wrong. By self definition, and as per Exodus 19: 5-6, Jews are a “holy nation/goy, so they both a religion and a race/ethnicity/people.
      
      Hence anyone who converts to Judaism becomes part of the people, like the Moabitess Ruth, the great grand mother of David, and ancestor of Christ.
      
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      February 18, 2018 3:07pm
      - Kimbo
        
        What the modern democratic and pluralistic state of Israel does is not necessarily representative of Judaism. After all, both Israel, and the Zionist ideology which gave birth to her are secular.
        
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        February 18, 2018 3:15pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Really Kimbo?
        
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/scientists-reveal-jewish-historys-forgotten-turkish-roots-a6992076.html
        
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        February 18, 2018 3:33pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ EAD
        
        I realise in your world of Protocols of Zion plot theories, you think that has some significance, but per what I wrote before, so what? While Israel were originally Semites, as per the biblical pattern of conversion to Judaism, Gentiles, especially those who have encountered the Hebrew community in Diaspora have been joining themselves to the Jewish people for millennia, indeed, we know from the names in the biblical genealogies that this was happening at the Exodus. Hence the variation in DNA patterns.
        
        Question for you that challenges your assumption of a monolithic Jewish Jewish conspiracy: since when does any one Rabbi, much less the secular state of Israel represent or speak authoritatively for all of Judaism? Yeah, I know, like Hitler’s assessment of the Soviets and the capitalist Americans, the Jews pull all the strings. /sarc
        
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        February 18, 2018 4:44pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ EAD
        
        Also I realise by your own admission you adopt a never yield an inch/admit no wrong policy when your views are challenged. But how come you post them like a gutless spray and walk away merchant, and you never stick around to defend your ideas just when the debate you initiated is starting to get interesting? Like, say that link and accompanying deceitful question/commentary, “Really?” you posted that confirms, as I previously stated, that former Gentiles have been joining themselves to the original Semitic Jewish nation/religion right from the beginning?
        
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        February 18, 2018 4:54pm
Inandout

Robbo and Alf announce……
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February 18, 2018 3:32pm
- Johnboy
  
  If only I could give more than once!!!! 🙂
  
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  February 18, 2018 3:42pm
  - stigie
    
    Well JB, it’s known that Alfie gives more than once. Such stamina !~
    
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    February 18, 2018 3:55pm
  - nasska
    
    Wouldn’t the baby bump get in the way of the steering wheel of the bus? 🙂
    
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    February 18, 2018 4:02pm
    - sooty
      
      I thought Robbo was due first. Even before Cindy, don’t you know!
      
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      February 18, 2018 7:57pm
Rodney Randall

Voltaire’s Ghost
Published on Feb 17, 2018
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXH_GDdRA-k
Britain’s ‘Greatness’ Could Use a Dose of Migrant ‘Goodness’

During the BBC panel program Question Time, American screenwriter Dustin Lance Black prescribes a dose of ‘goodness’ for the British People.
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February 18, 2018 3:49pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Just did a quick search on this Lance Black fellow.
  
  Turns out he is another homosexualist abandoned by his father.
  
  I hope he gets help for his obvious multiple mental illnesses.
  
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  February 18, 2018 4:03pm
  - Johnboy
    
    If he popped out here he could become a Labour or Green MP. 🙂
    
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    February 18, 2018 4:08pm
nasska

The Parable of the Navigator

Alex and Pat were in a restaurant having lunch. They agreed to meet later at a park which neither of them had previously visited.

Alex started to drive across town and found the way blocked by a torrent pouring from a broken water main. The park was on the east side of town and the water was flowing down Main street. By driving north, Alex reached a cross street that was not blocked. Thus Alex reached the park safely.

Pat set the GPS navigator to provide directions to the park. The voice directed him to cross Main street. Pat drove into the flowing water and was drowned.

The moral: Logic and observation are safer than blind faith in an outdated guide.
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February 18, 2018 4:21pm
Manolo

Why is Genter’s pregnancy news? It should be relevant to her, her family and friends…but to the rest of us?

We live in the age of exhibitionism and are governed by exhibitionists.
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February 18, 2018 4:23pm
- Jack5
  
  Heaps of reporters in the female-dominated media can also hear the bio clock ticking, so to them Genter and Jacinda’s pregnancies are big news.
  
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  February 18, 2018 4:30pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”the female-dominated media can also hear the bio clock ticking”…..
    
    It’s worse than that. They’ve got to sort out AI as well.
    
    No normal man with a vestige of pride would lower his trousers anywhere close to a dribbling Leftie “journalist”.
    
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    February 18, 2018 4:38pm
    - Jack5
      
      Sadly, there are nowhere near enough Melanias to around, Nasska.
      
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      February 18, 2018 4:48pm
- cmm
  
  Well no doubt our Minister of Parking will make sure there’s a priority lane for mothers… and kiddy seats fitted to all the ministerial Beemers.
  
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  February 18, 2018 7:56pm
- cmm
  
  6 months up the duff… Another one that knew before the elections but chose to hide it from the voters.
  
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  February 18, 2018 7:58pm
Jack5

Less education, rather than more.

From an employer’s viewpoint, it’s a sorting process.

How does this fit with Jacinderella’s magic free year at uni. If something’s free is there as much striving and work?

http://www.smh.com.au/national/it-s-worth-getting-a-degree-even-if-what-you-learn-is-useless-20180215-p4z0iq.html
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February 18, 2018 4:26pm
- cmm
  
  You are not allowed to just give a simple IQ test any more.
  
  Instead we submit people to do a uni qualification. That just shows you can actually take some notes, write an essay or two and find your way to an exam room.
  
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  February 18, 2018 6:41pm
Jack5

Save the Children fund gets dragged into the charity sex shennanigans.

Time to axe the tax free status of charities.

Save the Children raised more than $10 million in NZ last year. If that was spent on poor kids as the money came in there would be bugger all tax any way.

Big shot of international Save the Children organisation was a “known sex pest”.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5404303/Jo-Coxs-husband-confesses-drunken-behaviour.html
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February 18, 2018 4:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like the Charity gigs might be harbouring a damn lot of sex pests.
  Who would ever suspect caring, sensitive, intelligent men of being predators?
  Surely only lower class thugs and right-wing fascists are abusers?
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:26pm
  - nasska
    
    My unscientific observations of the real world tend to indicate that although women feign to like “caring, sensitive, intelligent men” they’re actually the last ones they’ll seek out as sexual partners.
    
    At a guess I’d say that predation is the only way that the wankers can find to actually score.
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    Now the President of Haiti has chimed in, saying what’s been revealed is the tip of the sexberg:
    
    Haiti President Jovenel Moise claimed yesterday that the Oxfam scandal was “the tip of the iceberg” with other aid agencies hiding such assaults.
    
    “The Oxfam case is the visible part of the iceberg,” he said. “It is not only Oxfam, there are other non-governmental organisations in the same situation, but they hide the information internally.”
    
    He said Medecins Sans Frontieres had repatriated 17 staff for misconduct which “was not explained”.
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02/17/oxfam-warned-decade-ago-crisis-sex-abuse-among-worlds-aid-workers/
    
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    February 18, 2018 11:02pm
- GoVege
  
  I donate a few hundred a year to SCF, and I couldn’t care less if the dudes running it are less than perfect, get drunk occasionally and even “come on” to women.
  Just make sure our hard-earned cash gets to the poor kids forced to live in brothel towns and the like, OK?
  
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  February 18, 2018 9:50pm
big bruv

Can one be an effective mother and an MP or PM?

No, you cannot do a great job at both. One just has to take a back seat. Imagine being the kid who grew up knowing that your own mum cared more about politics than you.
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February 18, 2018 6:04pm
big bruv

Genter should be encouraged to fuck off back to the USA so her child can be born an American citizen.
She can also take that cuck partner of hers with her, he did a great impression of a nodding dog on tonights news.
Do all men have to hand in their man badge and become cuck when they are of the left?
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February 18, 2018 6:09pm
- Viking2
  
  Seems so. Need a stint in the army these fellows.
  
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  February 18, 2018 7:13pm
Komata

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Re: ‘Do all men have to hand in their man badge and become cuck when they are of the left?’

As things stand, the ‘Girls can do anything’ mantra would seem to suggest so. However, it is very noticeable (particularly in NZ at the moment) that when push comes to shove and personal self-interest kicks in, the advocates of such policies have absolutely no hesitation in abandoning such ideologies; self-interest and biological imperatives will ALWAYS trump political theory – even amongst the most ardent socialists / communists. As we are seeing, it can be discarded with narry a backward glance…

At that point (and despite their fullsome and very loud declarations to the contrary), domesticity and all its associated supposed ‘disadvantages’ suddenly becomes rather attractive.

It has been ever thus.
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February 18, 2018 6:36pm
Duxton

So, Genter is preggers? Congratulations!

Labour and the Grunge (sorry, Greens) refused grant Katherine Rich a pair when she was had her baby, and effectively forced her to nurse her new-born in in the Lobbies. Hopefully National’s new leader will give the same courtesy.
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February 18, 2018 6:36pm
- Happychappy
  
  Two wrongs don’t make a right as thè old saying goe’s.
  
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  February 18, 2018 7:33pm
  - Duxton
    
    F–k that, and f–k Labour. Time to take the gloves off.
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:12pm
    - Gabby
      
      The opera gloves ducksie?
      
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      February 19, 2018 12:48am
big bruv

Just watching TV One Weather. Thank goodness Gita is going to miss the really important parts of New Zealand.
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February 18, 2018 6:58pm
Peter

Winston announces pregnancy.
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February 18, 2018 6:59pm
- sooty
  
  How about giving birth to the $158k.
  
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  February 18, 2018 7:49pm
  - Cod Weyne
    
    Ach vell you know what they say..In a democracy it’s your vote that counts; in feudalism, it’s your Count that votes. velcom unto ze MMP.
    
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    February 18, 2018 8:19pm
- Duxton
  
  He produces an eight pounder every time he opens his mouth.
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:14pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  After fucking the nation for 30(?) odd years it’s about time he had some success
  
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  February 18, 2018 8:30pm
nasska

I’m setting up a help group for bike riders who ignore red lights.

Please fell free to join Cyclists Unable to Notice Traffic Signals.
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February 18, 2018 8:27pm
sooty

No, the lycra force field will not save you.
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February 18, 2018 9:36pm
sooty

There’s nothing funnier than a fat fucker on a bike in lycra.
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February 18, 2018 9:38pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  There is, two fat fuckers in matching lycra outfits
  
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  February 18, 2018 10:41pm
Surely Knott

Male Teacher Shortage “They say making teaching more appealing in general through better pay and less stress will encourage more people – male and female – to the profession.” according to the principals federation and the union. Usually in the business if your staff leave it’s not about the pay. Maybe it’s the environment and culture that is offputtting for men. Maybe the overly cloistered controlling environment stops creativity and competition. I think I would like the idea of teaching but I don’t think I’d like to be in school.
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February 18, 2018 9:38pm
DigNap15

Yes we need to have equal amounts of teachers in every level of schools.

We need more male role models across all levels.

Maybe we need to pay male teachers more to attract them.

Maybe female teachers need to apologise to Peter Ellis.
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February 18, 2018 9:56pm
- Kimbo
  
  Wouldn’t be enough for Peter Ellis or to reassure any man with even a modicum of judgement. If you are a Kiwi man in the present and likely near-future climate, you are taking a risk considering teaching at the secondary or inteemediate level, reckless and foolhardy if it is primary, and mad if it is is ECE. As I asked before, would you risk it?
  
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  February 18, 2018 10:16pm
  - DigNap15
    
    No of course I would not risk it.
    
    But there does need to be many more male teachers.
    
    Otherwise the whole education system will end up being female dominated ad female run with all the left wing namby pamby social agendas they bring.
    
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    February 19, 2018 6:04am
    - sam green
      
      Bloody women.
      
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      February 19, 2018 7:40am
Jack5

Is the BBC trying to crush the spirit of the Brits?

The Telegraph says the BBC is bringing out a cynical remake of the great TV series Civilisation by Sir Kenneth Clark.

The newspaper says the new series will ask questions like, “How far is British civilisation built on looting and plunder, or admiration and openness?”

If it as anti-British and Leftist as the Telegraph fears you can bet the staunch Leftists of TVNZ will buy it.

Incidentally did anyone hear a peep on TVNZ about the foiled plot for ISIS inspired mass murder in Christchurch? If there was a mention, I missed it.

Is the TVNZ newsroom staffed by disgruntled Middle Easterners?

I’d give a link to the Telegraph article on the successor to Civilisation but sorry, it’s behind the paywall.
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February 18, 2018 10:47pm
- Kimbo
  
  Original series was a masterpiece. Do the modern Brits have any other setting than pitiful cringing self-flagellation? Sure, contrary to the propaganda of the past there are plenty of skeletons, but is there no sober balance?
  
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  February 18, 2018 10:51pm

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