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Chuck Bird

We should learn from Oz.

Student wearing burqa ‘stabbed’ man in his sleep while daughter watched

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11991938
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February 11, 2018 8:02am
- simpleton1
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Wala%27_Wal_Bara%27
  
  loving and hating for the sake of Allah. Al-wala’ wa-l-bara’ is referred to as holding fast to all that is pleasing to Allah, and withdrawing from and opposing all that is displeasing to Allah; namely the Kuffar (non-muslims) who are to be hated, for the sake of Allah.
  
  One must follow the example set by the wonderful prophet Mohammad, so that peace can come to all of the world. 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:14am
  - stephieboy
    
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    simpleton1 , the admonition ( if actually true ) seems to be ignored by most of NZ’s 50,000 Muslims.
    
    Maybe you should organise a leaflet drop to remind them. all.
    
    BTW you’ll most likely find an exact equivalent kind of text in the Holy Bible. Do Christians and Jews these days take it seriously ?
    
    “But in terms of ordering violence and bloodshed, any simplistic claim about the superiority of the Bible to the Koran would be wildly wrong. In fact, the Bible overflows with “texts of terror,” to borrow a phrase coined by the American theologian Phyllis Trible. The Bible contains far more verses praising or urging bloodshed than does the Koran, and biblical violence is often far more extreme, and marked by more indiscriminate savagery….”
    
    http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/03/08/dark_passages/
    
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    February 11, 2018 8:25am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      You are right Stephie, sadly most of NZ Muslims are just not joining the global Jyhad and not really doing their part.
      But we’ve had some kiwi Muslims travel to fight in Syria, rape the local infidel women and do a lot of other small things to support the Global Islamist movement.
      Sadly not as much as our Australian brothers and sisters, I agree.
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:29am
      - Inandout
        
        But a Muslim does pray five times and if they have a radical Imam they will hate anything Christians do. I do wonder though with the prevalence of mobiles how many of the ‘faithful’ scan for texts while head down, bum up? The whole prayer regime to me is a total sham, and is no different from the Hitler Youth daily radicalisation. The fact that Australia is suffering from Islamic problems can be traced right back to a compliant government.
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:11am
      - Piniwi
        
        But PU the real worry is how quickly these so called “moderate” Muslims would join their “brothers” (woman don’t count) as their domination grows.
        
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        February 11, 2018 6:07pm
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Also Stephie, in the New Testiment where are the calls to horrific violence? As a religious scholar, I would like to have a look at those. Because if the are there, why are the Christians disobeying their Holly book. This needs more research.
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:33am
    - RalphT
      
      “BTW you’ll most likely find an exact equivalent kind of text in the Holy Bible. Do Christians and Jews these days take it seriously?”
      
      No, and that is the point. We see those admonishments as being of their time and have moved on. Many Muslims cannot adapt their thinking to the modern world and are stuck in a time warp of bows and arrows and horses and carts.
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:33am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Ralph T , most Muslim do adapt to the modern world as illustrated here in NZ and elsewhere . There are some who like many Fundie Christians especially in the USA are too stuck in a time warp .
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:40am
      - cmm
        
        ” most Muslim do adapt to the modern world”
        
        What do you mean “adapt”? That is a very worrying word.
        
        Organisms (including humans) adapt to their environments. That does not mean they change to become like others in the environment (ie. Mulslims becoming Westerners). It means they change their behaviour to thrive in the new environment.
        
        For example our NZ Imam who says stoning is great, but not here. All he really means by that is that he would stone here too if he could get away with it.
        
        Another example are the almost-exclusively-Muslim rape gangs in Uk who have found a bunch of vulnerable girls to prey on and have “adapted” very well to the new opportunity.
        
        This is, of course, encouraged in the Quoran.
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:34am
    - Digmen1
      
      So when you go to your mosque on Fridays.
      What does you imam teach you?
      And
      What do you pray for?
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:37am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Digmen!, never being in one in Auckland / Never read the Koran too rater I would say like you !
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:41am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Looks like we have the less literate stephieboy on duty today.
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:47am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Stephie,
        
        Never read the Koran
        
        Your words.
        Stay ignorant, fool.
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:47am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Have you asked the majority of ‘peaceful’ Muslims in NZ what the punishment for Apostasy is Shariaboy?
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:38am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Nope . I’m not mad like maybe you !
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:42am
      - David Garrett
        
        RR: We know from former Labour MP Ashraf Choudray that the “correct” punishment for adultery and homosexuality is stoning and death respectively… It must be correct because it says so in the Koran…He said so on TV…Then added the ridiculous rider that those punishments didn’t apply in New Zealand. Why not? Is there a special Antipodean version of the Koran?
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:16am
      - Swifty
        
        International studies (Pew etc) have shown time after time that an overwhelming majority of Muslims, in non-Islamic countries mark you, believe that the appropriate punishment for apostasy is death.
        
        The evidence is clear.
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:19am
      - JibberJabber
        
        So Stephie, why won`t you ask a moderate muslim what the penalty for apostasy is, what are you afraid of?
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:32am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Recent EU study revealed that over 50% of Muslim immigrants across multiple European host countries believed Sharia law trumped any local country laws.
        
        The study also found that the immigrants were by far more observant to strict Muslim rules than the average in their home countries e.g. all the radical ones immigrate
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:14am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Now now. Let’s not jump to racist and Islamophobic conclusions. I’m sure I can explain this away as a cultural different or make it look like the Aussie was the one at Fault.
  
  *Spends several hours flicking through the Quarran, studying the news article and consulting all sorts of Sociology literature*
  
  Gentlemen, as a Quarranic scholar and the local expert on all things Islam I have to admit that this is actually nothing to do with race, gender or social position of the woman in question. She was just doing what is clearly written in black and white in the most sacred book of the Muslim religion. And I quote – “strike the infidel in the neck wherever you find him.”
  So there we have it. Just following the immutable Quarran.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:22am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Padriv Ustoev
    
    23 From there Elisha went up to Bethel. As he was walking along the road, some boys came out of the town and jeered at him. “Get out of here, baldy!” they said. “Get out of here, baldy!” 24 He turned around, looked at them and called down a curse on them in the name of the Lord. Then two bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the boys.
    
    2 Kings 2:23-24 New International Version (NIV)
    
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    February 11, 2018 8:33am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Kings is not new Testiment tho.
      Do you know anything about the Christians religion. I’m not sure what the word is but Old Testiment has been abrigated. So basically it more a historical document of how people and God used to be. New Testiment is the on the Christians actually follow in terms of moral guidance and behavior.
      
      Read a book mate, making yourself look like a clown.
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:38am
      - mikenmild
        
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        What changed God? You think the God of the OT was a different God to the NT version?
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:47am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Padriv Ustoev
        
        Closest I’ve ever found is the imprecation passages against (non-Christian-believing) Jews who were instrumental in the persecution of the early Church. Hence Saul/Paul, a Jew who later writes favourably of the place of Jews in God’s economy in Romans chapter 9 to 11, comforted Gentile Christian believers with the words:
        
        14 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last….5 All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering. 6 God is just: He will pay back trouble to those who trouble you 7 and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels. 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might 10 on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you. (I Thessalonians 2:11-16 & II Thessalonians 1:5-10).
        
        With imprecation, the idea is that those who must passively endure persecution are comforted with the knowledge it will be avenged…by God.
        
        There is similar imprecation against God’s enemies in the New Testament Revelation/Apocalypse, including a reference to a synagogue as “synagogue of Satan”. Such passages were subsequently used as a justification for persecuting Jews during the time of Christendom. I’d suggest it is a post hoc fallacy to blame the passages in Thessalonians, as the New Testament is written to a persecuted minority who have no interest in political power, who only want the freedom to preach and practice their religion free of sttae and religious persecution, and who have no design on confronting Caesar, occupying his throne, or upsetting the existing social order including slavery. The picture of the New Testament is of a persecuted minority, who are also expecting Jesus Christ to return and set up his Kingdom at any moment – hence there is no need to act as God’s instrument of judgement – Christ himself is going to do it any day himself.
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:51am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ mikenmild
        
        What changed God? You think the God of the OT was a different God to the NT version?
        
        The heretic Marcion, the first to propose a New Testament canon argued so. However, the orthodox Christian response is…progressive revelation. God revealed himself to his people, Israel and then latterly the Gentiles in progressive stages, depending on the development of his people and their readiness. Hence the economy by which he ruled them also developed from a tribal structure to kingship and the addition of institutions such as prophets, priesthood, and the adaptation of the cult from a simple tabernacle to the temples of Solomon, Zerubbabel and Herod.
        
        As the corporate people of Israel are integral to the biblical revelation on both Old and New Testaments, the very nature of the revelation takes time, Hence Abraham is not given the fullness, as he is the beginning point of the formation of a holy nation. Same with the other patriarchs, Moses, David, the prophets, and finally to Christ and the Apostles.
        
        As per Christ himself when confronted over the matter of why the Torah allowed divorce yet he seems to abrogate the legally-sanctioned adultery of his day (and there are parallels with the casuistic way how Isalm practices divorce/legalised adultery today – human nature doesn’t change! 😉 )
        
        1 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.
        
        3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
        
        4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
        
        7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
        
        8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” (Matthew 19: 1-9)
        
        is the same rationale why abolitionists campaigned against slavery. It is not abrogated as such in the New Testament, yet it is rightly viewed as antithetical to God’s final economy.
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:01am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Padriv Ustoev
        
        Probably the most violent imprecatory prayer passage in the Scriptures is in the Old Testament, Psalm 137, made famous by Boney M as “By the rivers of Babylon”. Again, it is to comfort a dispossessed and weak people with the knowledge that God will one day end their affliction, and punish their enemies. That may contain the seeds of resistance and on-going religious war in the future. Nonetheless, that is not the immediate purpose of the imprecation, so it is different category to the biblical temporal one-off passages to slay Amalekites and other Canaanite tribes in the Conquest of the promised land…or the Koran’s injunction to wage continual jihad.
        
        1 By the rivers of Babylon we sat and wept
        when we remembered Zion.
        2 There on the poplars
        we hung our harps,
        3 for there our captors asked us for songs,
        our tormentors demanded songs of joy;
        they said, “Sing us one of the songs of Zion!”
        
        4 How can we sing the songs of the Lord
        while in a foreign land?
        5 If I forget you, Jerusalem,
        may my right hand forget its skill.
        6 May my tongue cling to the roof of my mouth
        if I do not remember you,
        if I do not consider Jerusalem
        my highest joy.
        
        7 Remember, Lord, what the Edomites did
        on the day Jerusalem fell.
        “Tear it down,” they cried,
        “tear it down to its foundations!”
        8 Daughter Babylon, doomed to destruction,
        happy is the one who repays you
        according to what you have done to us.
        9 Happy is the one who seizes your infants
        and dashes them against the rocks. (Psalm 137)
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:12am
      - mikenmild
        
        Kimbo
        
        the orthodox Christian response is…progressive revelation. God revealed himself to his people, Israel and then latterly the Gentiles in progressive stages, depending on the development of his people and their readiness.
        
        Seem to me that it is the other way round: as societies developed; so did their concept of God.
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:29am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ mikenmild
        
        That undoubtedly happened too. But you seem to be setting up what could well be a false dichotomy. Why not both-and? God reveals himself progressively to his special people Israel and their understanding of God, and also that of pagan Gentiles develops too. (The heretic Pharaoh Akhenaten doesn’t seem to have been an absolute monotheist, more one wanting to rearrange the Egyptian pantheon.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten)
        
        True, that presupposes the existence of God. Nonetheless, Israel seem to have been unique in the Ancient Near East in regards to her monotheism. Although, initially that seems to be practical and later absolute. The Patriarchs and even Moses may know of other ‘gods’, but courtesy of the election via the patriarchs and the Exodus and giving of the Torah, Yahweh is the only one with whom they have to deal. Indeed, unlike the cyclical nature of pagan deities who are the embodiment of natural forces, Yahweh intervenes in history on Israel’s behalf. Only later, at the time of the Babylonian captivity does that Jewish monotheism become absolute – the wood and stone idols of the pagans are nothing but wood and stone.
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:39am
      - SGA
        
        So basically it more a historical document of how people and God used to be. New Testiment is the on the Christians actually follow in terms of moral guidance and behavior.
        
        Unless, of course, there is something in Leviticus or some such that justifies the moral outrage of the day 😉
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:46am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ SGA
        
        Yep. For some reason Christian fundamentalists have no problem eating shell fish or swine’s flesh, but when Leviticus proscribes certain sexual behaviour it is still applicable. Indeed it should be the civil law of the land!
        
        Not to mention the supposed unchangeable biblical mandate for a modern Jewish state in former British Palestine – which divinely entails and necessitates the annexation of the West Bank! 😉
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:53am
      - SGA
        
        Isn’t the Israel business also tied into some compulsion to help world events towards the end of days (from memory)?
        
        Curiosity question (arising from that) – how does someone like you view Revelations?
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:03am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ SGA
        
        Just to clarify, and for the sake of Kimbo’s kick-ass quiz team accuracy, the last book of the Christian canon is the “Apocalypse/Revelation (of Jesus Christ”). His future coming is the primary emphasis, not the plural “revelations” of dramatic events which accompany that fact, which the writer unveils in a sort of written picture gallery – and on which the ghoulish tend to focus.
        
        Yes, for some, known as Dispensational Pre-Millennialists, the Revelation, and other Old and New Testament texts function as a Nostradamus-like prediction book. Personally, in line with orthodox Calvinism, I am an A-Millennialist (some are Post-Millennialists which I’ll discuss in a minute). Christ will return suddenly, and without the ticking off of a bunch of prophecies. Hence, also, while I doubt there is any eschatological significance to the formation of the modern state of Israel, I still think Israel, like any nation deserves and must exist and must have the right to defend herself. Nonetheless, like other nations she is accountable to modern international law, so the West bank, taken in conquest, is not hers to annx by stealth and increment. is a matter of justice, and that is something which should concern all Christians.
        
        Pre-Millennial Dispensationalism developed in the 19th Century, partly as a response to skepticism. The rationale is apologetic: “The Bible must be true….just look at all these fulfilled prophecies in it”. And with the formation of the modern state of Israel in 1948, and the capture of Jerusalem in 1967 helped push the ideology.
        
        The other two millennial views are historic Pre-Millinnialism (Christ will return to set up his 1,000 year reign without the cartoonish prediction fulfillment of the Dispensationalists) and Post-Millennialism which is a more intense version of Amillnnialism. Christ’s (figurative) 1000 year reign began when he ascended to heaven, and since then his kingdom grows. Hence the abolitionism, social reform and prohibition of the 19th and early 20th Centuries are examples American post-Millinnialism – social interventions that will assist in the formation of the Kingdom of God, over which Christ is ultimately in control. Cromwell’s New Model Army of the English Civil War were also predominantly Post-Millenialists. fighting a godless tyrannical king who was an agent of Popish Arminianism and unjust taxes, with the hope of installing a godly government.
        
        https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/mill.cfm
        
        https://www.google.com/search?q=millennial+views&client=firefox-b-ab&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj4p8XdsJzZAhVKHJQKHREeDbcQsAQILw&biw=1440&bih=748
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:22am
      - SGA
        
        Thanks for taking the time to write all that. I had a vague idea of some of the differences, but that was very clear (and the link to the illustrated version was helpful).
        I am left wondering how much of the ghoulish bits you take as gospel (figuratively speaking), or whether it is “poetic” (for want of a better word), but that’s by the by.
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:49am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ SGA
        
        I am left wondering how much of the ghoulish bits you take as gospel (figuratively speaking), or whether it is “poetic” (for want of a better word), but that’s by the by
        
        I’m of the view that like any book with multiple genres, the Scriptures should be interpreted literally when the authorial intent indicates it is literal, and figuratively when the authorial intent indicates it is figurative. And knowing the difference is where the really hard, but fun work begins…with each and every passage and book in the canon! 😉 Hence the need for good literary tools, and accessing the fruits of the science of archaeology so we understand the context in which passages and books were written. Is the basic lesson of the Reformers – the plain sense (not allegorical – unless the text itself indicates such) is that which is authoritative.
        
        Hence I am suspicious of the hermeneutic of both fundamentalists who insist it the bible is literal, or liberals who insist it is figurative. For example, I think I’ve shown in my discussions with Scott here on Kiwiblog that he is not a consistent literalist when it comes to the creation accounts in Genesis. You insist this was 6,000 years ago and in six literal days and it should be taught as a text in the public school science curriculum? OK. so by that hermeneutical principle the “firmament” heavens/sky of Genesis 1:6-8 must be a literal polished metal dome holding back “the waters above) over a flat disk earth on pillars that God created in the midst of dark primordial waters. Or maybe, just maybe, God was using the existing cosmology of the Ancient Near East to explain his purposes to Israel, so it is theological, not scientific – although the resulting ethics may have something to say to science, and philosophy, and economics, and agriculture, and economics, and government, and…
        
        Same with the eschatological passages like the Revelation. The ultimate message, originally given to a church that was severely persecuted for failing to participate in the Roman-emperor cult (hence it has great relevance whenever the church is persecuted by an anti-Christ be it Caesar, Mohammedism, the Popes of the Counter-Reformation, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, ISIS…)
        
        …is that Christ reigns, his kingdom is without end, he will return one day in the same manner in which he ascended to heaven to consummate that kingdom. In the meantime, Christians are to be about his business, planning as if he will mot return for many centuries, but living like he will come tomorrow. If nothing else, Christianity is a first century Jewish apocalyptic cult, awaiting the dramatic in-breaking of God’s eternal kingdom into history. 😉
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:10pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ SGA
        
        Curiosity question (arising from that) – how does someone like you view Revelations?
        
        The Revelation, SGA, not Revelations. 😉 Best analogy I can give for how to interpret Revelation is this, the greatest piece of art of the 20th Century:
        
        https://www.pablopicasso.org/images/paintings/guernica3.jpg
        
        You look at it and you know it is about suffering, pain, torment, evil. And those themes are timeless. But unless you knew the artist was Pablo Picasso painting in response to the destruction of the village of Guernica in 1937 by the Fascists during the Spanish Civil War you miss the original focused intent. hence the desire for “application” may be too hasty, misdirected and misapplied.
        
        The Apocalypse/Revelation was an already existing genre (Jewish apocalyptic) written primarily to give comfort to the seven persecuted churches of Asia Minor in approximately 96AD. Any revelation of the future, including any supposed timetable for the arrival Christ’s eternal kingdom is secondary. There are some internal clues ow those are to be interpreted, and it is right to “let the text speak” when discovering those, rather than poring over a newspaper reporting latest events in the Middle East! Ultimately the text of the Apocalypse/Revelation was written to them, not to us, but it is for us.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:32pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @SGA
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preterism
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:37pm
    - cmm
      
      But people don’t act this shit out.
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:40am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Good Lord..
      do people read/write/speak this rubbish?
      
      “Get out of here, baldy”
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:55am
      - mikenmild
        
        Perhaps you prefer the King James version of ‘bald head’ rather than ‘baldy’:
        
        as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:19am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Yes Maggie they do, I was subjected to this “insult” a while back when I pulled into a carpark some jonnycomelately feral thought was his. LoL.
        Only had to give him the stare to make `im scuttle off.
        I have a beautiful head of skin, btw.
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:51am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Perhaps you prefer the King James version
        
        Of course.
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:58am
      - mikenmild
        
        JibberJabber
        Like Maggy, would you have been happier had your antagonist referred to you as ‘thou bald head’ rather than ‘baldy’?
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:31am
    - softail 1450
      
      streppieboy,,, fucking obsessive idiot.
      
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      February 12, 2018 6:55am
  - simpleton1
    
    Context Padriv, context !
    
    Koran 8: 12 Your Lord revealed to the angels, “Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks , and smite over all their fingers and toes”
    
    You can see that it was revealed to angels ! angels Padriv.
    I am sure you agree that the striking student was no angel, but Allah, Mohammad, through the koran or imam, did not order her to do this.
    That smiting work is to be done by angels, isn’t it.
    
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    February 11, 2018 8:34am
    - stephieboy
      
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      simpleton1
      
      Kill Man, Woman, Infant
      
      “Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” (I Samuel 15:2-3)
      
      Raping And Killing
      
      “Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished.” (Isaiah 13:15-16)
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:35am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        None of these are from New Testament.
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:40am
      - stephieboy
        
        Non from the New Testament ,
        
        Mathew 10 : 34
        
        New International Version
        “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:50am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        So stephieboy,
        as a devoted follower of the Word of God,
        are you in favour of violence toward and killing of your fellow human beings?
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:59am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Maggy W . stop trying to distort what I’ve been posting this morning . Also spurious reference to typos.
        
        Outrageous behaviour that deserves strike !
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:06am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Pull ya head in Stephie-bitch,
        
        You’ve got your Sunday morning OTT excitement levels going off again.
        
        Chill out and stop embarrassing yourself
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:10am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Outrageous behaviour that deserves strike !
        
        And what sort of strike against me are you advocating, stephieboy?
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:25am
      - simpleton1
        
        stephieboy, I showed smiting was revealed to angels.
        
        It seems a bit sad that you are on “Kill Man Woman and Infant” plus “Raping and Killing”
        
        So you have no sin?
        “Those with out sin can cast the first stone”
        
        Mathew 10 : 34
        “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword”.
        Are you with no sin so that you will use that sword?,
        
        Would you be like Mohammad in sword usage?
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:16am
      - Southern Raider
        
        You need to read the Hebrew bible in the context of a religious document that is also providing an insight into historical (3000 years ago) events.
        
        If you removed the religious context the Hebrew bible would make a bloody good swords and bows blockbuster movie.
        
        However if you have every been in a synagogue you would hear the Rabbi separating the historical context from the broader message, whereas an Iman will just quote as if the events are happening today.
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:22am
      - stephieboy
        
        Southern Raider , from one who has been inside a Mosque numerous times and heard the Inman preach. ?
        
        Also know the intimate details of Koranic Texts ?
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:18pm
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      You do bring up a good point. She did not strike the infidel in the toes, perhaps it’s was some other part of the Qurran that most Muslims take literally.
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:42am
      - Inandout
        
        Why don’t Muslims who want a bit of enlightenment have a less savage book of Koran?
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:18am
      - simpleton1
        
        Inandout
        The Ahmadiyya is a relatively new sect started in the late 19th century and abjure violence, though they do wish for sharia law.
        They have been ruled as blasphemic “apostates” which the koran and hadith have certain rules for.
        
        Like stephieboy mentioned,
        Mathew 10 : 34
        New International Version
        “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword”.
        with a koranic twist.
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:51am
    - JibberJabber
      
      I would like to see the instant BanHammer for people cutting and pasting screeds of religious Bullshit!
      Are you listening DPF?
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:57am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        You’re showing your age with the term ‘banhammer’ JibJab
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:33am
      - JibberJabber
        
        G`day Cuz.
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:00am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Channeling Agent 86:
    
    “The old ‘I was just following orders’ excuse, eh!”
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:11am
    - simpleton1
      
      “The old ‘I was just following orders’ excuse, eh!”
      
      – And Tim killed the non-believers.
      – God told Tim to kill the non-believers.
      – As believers, God commands us to kill all the non-believers.
      
      So the 1st was for that time and place. An historic act, of that time only involving Tim and whatever his reasons.
      The 2nd is only for Tim, not every one, unless they “feel” like Tim. Reason is given, that is non-believers.
      The 3rd is that if you are a believer then you will do this, for the “many reasons”, and if not you will support such actions.
      
      In that context the comparison of Old Testament, which is quite blood thirsty.
      koran, which does mention mercy, which abrogation overrules the more earlier mercy verses.
      New Testament does not change the old, but refreshes, abrogates with a new approach, that as followers of Christ are supposed to take on.
      Like if you have “no sin, then you can cast the first stone” to up hold the law. All slunk away.
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:38am
- Peter
  
  Those unhinged HindusChristiansBuddhitsJanists again, huh.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:25am
- kowtow
  
  Bangladesh , another shithole.
  
  ‘The murder fitted into a pattern laid down over a gruesome three-year killing spree by extremist groups in Bangladesh: a bloody but brutal attack in broad daylight with the most basic of weapons, and later a claim of responsibility from Islamic State (Isis) or al-Qaida.’
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jun/11/bangladesh-murders-bloggers-foreigners-religion
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:35am
- I've been to Mecca and you have not!
  
  At least Islamic countries don’t tolerate this complete bollox:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/101236033/cancer-patient-outraged-to-discover-he-can-only-donate-sperm-to-female-partner
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:48am
artemisia

The current government is focusing a lot of attention on workers and their pay. And has begun to focus on skills through inter alia free tertiary fees, its announced policies of levies on employers to pay for (re)training / upskilling, careers advisers in every secondary school….

The latter initiatives are apparently in response to the changes in work mainly due to technology advances, that is automation. Though some changes are just as likely to create a tsunami of media and art history graduates entering the job market.

Meantime a report out this week from Bain and Co US business consultants says – productivity well up, jobs well down, wage growth depressed, increased income /wealth inequality. I guess Mr Robertson is not planning to be around that long.

Rising Productivity Solves One Problem…but Creates Another

Faced with a rising scarcity of labor, companies and investors are likely to draw increasingly on automation technologies, which, in turn, would boost labor productivity by an average of 30 percent, compared with 2015, with rising impact over time.

But to grow, economies need demand to match rising output. Bain’s analysis shows automation is likely to push output potential far ahead of demand potential. In the base case scenario, the rapid spread of automation may eliminate as many as 20 percent to 25 percent of current jobs—equivalent to 40 million displaced workers—and depress wage growth for many more workers.

The benefits of automation will likely flow to only about 20 percent of workers—primarily highly compensated, highly skilled workers—as well as to the owners of capital. The growing scarcity of highly skilled workers may push their incomes even higher relative to lesser skilled workers. As a result, automation has the potential to significantly increase income inequality and, by extension, wealth inequality.

http://www.bain.com/about/press/press-releases/labor-2030.aspx
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February 11, 2018 8:06am
- Viking2
  
  Good summation of the problem. More efficient plant and equipment less labour cost. Equation has not changed since the industrial revolution or even before.
  
  Efficiency of capital.
  At low interest rates why would you not?
  
  However there are many more things to be done and we only need to look at the councils and Govt. to see how they create that stuff.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:20am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  I love it how the NZ Trade Unions Party listened to the survey of 100 NZ companies that clearly stated that skills, attitude and motivation are more important than a tertiary degree in a large proportion of roles.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:38am
igm

Stuff having a go at Bishop, the MP who scared Mallard out of standing for re-election in his long-time seat. Reading it fully, and noting the parents affected were not particularly upset, it reeks of Fairfax bias. But of course, Mallard’s current concubine is a so-called journo there is she not!
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February 11, 2018 8:10am
- Doubledimp
  
  Yes, smells like a major hit job, with nothing of substance. Words like “allegedly”, “Wished to remain anonymous”. Did he know he was talking with teenagers, or did he think they were 20yr old students? Did they fully disclose the situation to him themselves? Wouldn’t be surprised if they were children of labour party members hence the “anonymous”.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:19am
  - James Stephenson
    
    I think we can be certain of that. Local MP engages with teenagers using their preferred social media, parents who support a different party are annoyed but can’t find anything actually inappropriate to complain about – hence the spurious stuff about teacher – student communication.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:55am
- KiWombat
  
  Bishop won that seat because he stood beside his constituents, and they voted with their feet.
  
  Something Mallard couldn’t replicate !
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:25am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Bishop comes across as a hard working MP which isn’t something I’ve seen a lot of over the years. He has also developed a real following from youth who seem to really like the guy
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:51am
  - Muttonbird
    
    Looks like he likes them, that’s for sure!
    
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    February 11, 2018 11:57am
    - Happychappy
      
      Muttonhead If you are going to be a troll, at least try to be good at it because Kiwiboggers deserve better than the childish yip yap that you have continually posted today.
      
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      February 11, 2018 1:18pm
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        It’s all good when Cindy tries to get the kids engaged in politics though eh? If you’re not comfortable with your kids communicating with your MP then do the right thing as a parent instead of blowing up a ‘story’ in the NZ propaganda machine
        
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        February 11, 2018 3:39pm
- SGA
  
  Stuff having a go at Bishop
  
  It was an odd piece, I agree. It seemed to leave out the general nature of the communications deliberately , which suggested to me, anyway, that they weren’t particularly scandalous or anything. Odd.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:55am
  - Muttonbird
    
    Odd behaviour = odd piece. Interesting he doesn’t want to comment on it, even in his own defence.
    
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    February 11, 2018 11:59am
    - SGA
      
      The article gives no idea how odd the behaviour was – that’s the problem with it. Not sure how interesting it is he doesn’t want to comment on it – if it is a storm in a teacup, then letting it blow itself out can be a sensible strategy.
      
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      February 11, 2018 12:42pm
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Mutton yes he has responded. He won’t hide from this crap ‘story’ as he has no reason to. You are just the sort of person that believes everything that the NZ propaganda machine prints or screens. Have a read of his online response. Again if you’re not happy with your kids engaging with your MP on social media then take a look at yourself because that’s crap parenting. Bishop is popular with the kids just like our Prime Minister Select is.
      
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      February 11, 2018 3:52pm
- Doubledimp
  
  (Sorry for follow up)
  Had a think, this is basically bad parenting and IT training. It would stand to reason that the teenagers initiated the conversation, and if the parents think that online interaction with an older man is in-appropriate, why didn’t they counsel their children not to do so in the first place?
  
  Oh and “before last year’s election”.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:08am
  - Muttonbird
    
    Classic victim blaming there. Well done!
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:00pm
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Who is the victim here Mutton? And why?
      
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      February 11, 2018 4:21pm
    - KiWombat
      
      The ‘victim’ made the contact. It was responded to.
      
      If parents allow their 13 year olds to engage with a self-destructive message/photo service, then I would be questioning the parents first !
      
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      February 11, 2018 7:04pm
- UpandComer
  
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  Bishop engages in a lot of edgy politics. He deserves to be criticised on this one.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:10am
  - flipper
    
    Edgy politics ???
    
    Please explain and justify or piss off back to keep Mallard’s latest squeeze company.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:43am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Mallard is far edgier with the way he is trying to run the house. The biggest difference between the two is that Mallard is lazy. Trevor who? When he was our MP. Never heard him or saw him anywhere unless he was grandstanding one of his numbskull ideas about bikes or extinct birds
      
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      February 11, 2018 4:24pm
- Mobile Michael
  
  It seemed to be a beat-up. The article didn’t provide any of the messages content or who initiated contact. Which suggests it is all innocent. Personally I like the idea of an MP willing to engage with constiuents in the way they want to. I think its a case of parents being concerned about their children’s social media behaviour than anything else. Especially in light of Kim Dotcom trawling through his social media followers and inviting the attractive ones on dates immediately after his marriage breakup. (Apparently something a lot of male actors also do, according to US media reports.)
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:52am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    The problem is that there a lot of dense people out there that think something horrific has happened in this crap ‘story’.
    
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    February 11, 2018 3:59pm
Simon

MSM gaga over Kim’s sister at the Olympics.

Pence meets NK defectors. Trump Admin stands with the NK defectors ruins MSM narrative

President Trump because fuck you.
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February 11, 2018 8:14am
- MCos
  
  There’s two ways to approach dealing with these oppressive organizations. Either the hardline or the conciliatory.
  America has used the hardline approach with North Korea for more than sixty years years with singularly dismal results – for North Korea’s neighbours.
  Politically it suits America to keep the ball rolling in much the same way as they did with Cuba. Problem is that North Korea now has nukes and there’s no way they’ll give those up . . . .
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:28am
peterwn

I said I would comment on why Kim Dotcom’s Megaupload operation breached copyright law. This is especially pertinent as a commenter argued it merely a file sharing platform like Youtube etc. While that may be one has to dig deeper. A Sergeant Schultz ‘I see nothing’ type argument does not wash. Youtube etc must have mechanisms for dealing with child porn and other objectionable material (eg how to make bombs) otherwise they will be in serious trouble with authorities, risk blacklisting and turn away advertisers and clients. They need processes to remove such material as it comes to their attention, prevent the same material being uploaded again and probably need to be proactive as well. Megaupload had such processes to avoid the possibility of facing serious criminal charges.
Megaupload’s business model was to reward people who uploaded material while charging people to download the material. Limited free access was provided to enable client to sample the wares. Megaupload ‘intended’ that uploaders would upload material they had created but as a starting point was not concerned as to the origin of the material (as long as it was not child porn or similarly ‘objectionable’).
In practice different users would upload the same material meaning there was duplication of material on the servers which required additional server capacity and Megaupload dealt with this inefficiency by having one copy on the servers but using multiple links to that one copy. Now this alone should have indicated that there was potential breach of copyright since with most genuine material there would be little upload duplication.
When copyright owners became aware of such material on Megaupload they would issue a ‘take down’ notice specifying the delinquent material and its link. Megaupload would respond by taking down that link and advising the owner the material had been removed. When Megaupload was asked why it did not remove all the affected links, the response was that it was technically impossible. However as the FBI pointed out, Megaupload could obliterate all links pointing to a child porn upload, therefore it was capable of obliterating all links to material subject to a ‘take down’ notice. However Megaupload’s practical business model would be fatally damaged if it had to remove all such links, hence the reluctance to do total ‘take downs’ of copyright material.
At this point it was abundantly clear that Megaupload was virtually a ‘knowing’ party to serious copyright breach meaning those involved could face serious criminal sanctions. By trying to claim $7B for the ‘destruction’ of Megaupload, Kim has further confirmed his association with the illegal Megaupload operation. Now, Megaupload would not have been anywhere near as profitable if it did not carry material such as blockbuster movies in breach of copyright law. At most Megaupload might have been worth a few million, but nowhere near $7B. Kim is just dreaming with his $7B claim.
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February 11, 2018 8:15am
- Viking2
  
  You conveniently forget about all the legitimate users who had their data deleted.
  If as you say they could delete all the links (which I agree with), then they should have been able to allow genuine users to retain their data.)
  
  Its all past history and like Isaid last night the industry had its own reluctance to engage with its customers to blame.
  Their day in the sun is closing.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:27am
  - peterwn
    
    Well, these legitimate users can always sue Uncle Sam directly for their losses. It is stretching credibility that somehow the New Zealand government was responsible for these legitimate users losing their data on servers situated on USA soil. Even if Kim did ‘win’ some or all his $7B, I doubt he would be in any hurry to compensate these legitimate users.
    If users are going to entrust valuable data to the ‘cloud’ they should either keep their own backups or do proper due diligence on the proposed ‘cloud’ provider. Megaupload would not have passed the ‘sniff’ test and even if it did initially, should have taken steps to protect their data when it became apparent that Megaupload was dealing with material such as blockbuster movies meaning it could attract attention from the authorities.
    
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    February 11, 2018 8:44am
- tf78
  
  Is the bottom line in the wording – “uploading” I don’t think is illegal whereas “downloading” can be seen as theft – is that the difference. To my mind it was just a very clever play on words in the subtlety of meanings.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:29am
  - fernglas
    
    If you upload so that others can illegally download,and pay you for the privilege, you are a party to their offending, even if uploading is not illegal itself. And when you use the money obtained from those who have illegally downloaded, you are concealing the proceeds of crime, hence the money-laundering charges.
    
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    February 11, 2018 8:36am
  - peterwn
    
    Trying to argue about words is generally irrelevant. All three phases – uploading, downloading and storage are unlawful with respect to copyright material. And it is not a defence to a charge of (say) illegal downloading just because the uploader could be charged. Although the Feds could have tried to identify the uploaders and downloaders, it is not worth the effort – far better to go for the one who facilitates the illegality ie the one who provides the storage. This is more so when the one who provided the storage made the money – Kim would not made the obscene amounts out of Megaupload if it stuck to legitimate business only.
    In any case promoters of dubious schemes (including tax avoidance schemes) have relied on ‘black letter’ interpretation of the law to justify their schemes but courts in NZ, USA and elsewhere are now interpreting the law in a more purposeful way and are drawing on other interpretation aids rather than just nit-picking over the actual words.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:05am
- Notsofast
  
  It is all immaterial. It is plain as a pikestaff Dotcom will never be extradited.
  Extradition is a political process, and labour is intent on reinstating some sanity into the judicial system.
  In New Zealand the penalty for Dotcom would be light at worst, whereas the Americans like prodigiously long sentences for infractions. This alone means extradition is a political impossibility.
  Add to this the virulent hatred Peters has for Key and his witless thugs…
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:48am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    “Reinstating some sanity to the justice system?”
    
    What? Like repealing the 3-Strikes legislation?
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:03am
    - Notsofast
      
      No. Like reminding that abject moron Amy Adams that she is making disgracefully false statement when she says
      “The recent cases show the system is already capable of correcting miscarriages of justice when they occur, either through appeals (sometimes many years later) or through the Royal Prerogative of Mercy process when appeals have been exhausted.”
      
      Stick your kids in jail Adams.
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:26am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      The three strikes legislation was a shitty ill concieved piece of law copied from the states and watered down by a hypocrite who got booted from parliament because he was a lying scumbag criminal thug.
      
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      February 11, 2018 10:45am
      - peterwn
        
        It has worked very well and successfully put the wind up scumbags. The NZ version does not suffer from the deficiencies of other versions which called for long mandatory prison terms for minor offending. labour wants to try and empty out the prisons of scumbags and replace them with men convicted of rape because the alleged ‘victim’ claimed there was no consent.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:18pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        I’m just having a dig at Garret.
        The most hated man in his village.
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:23pm
  - sooty
    
    Did Angry go to the mansion?
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:08am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Did John Banks go?
      Did he fly his helicopter there?
      Does he have a son?
      
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      February 11, 2018 1:24pm
      - peterwn
        
        Point three has probably been privately settled one way or another by now. The way it was left was that John should submit to a paternity DNA test otherwise the Court was likely to uphold the plaintiff’s paternity claim eg when probate is sought on John’s will in due course.
        
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        February 11, 2018 2:11pm
  - peterwn
    
    While extradition may be ‘political’ NZ needs to take account of comity between nations to retain international sanity. It could be that NZ may need to seek the extradition of a serious offender from USA and there would be general outrage if a person accused of murder was not extradited. The ‘political’ side normally comes into play where NZ would seek an assurance that the person being extradited would not be subject to execution, whipping, etc.
    The most pragmatic way with dealing with Kim would be to let him slip out of NZ, even if it does upset Uncle Sam.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:18am
    - Notsofast
      
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      Born to rule Judith Collins loved to say “I will be deciding whether to extradite Dotcom”. New Zealanders are at risk of this disgusting woman rising to challenge the principles of justice again as she did by defrauding David Bain of his compensation.
      (And that point blank gunshot wound with suicide trajectory closed the case for scientists, for completeness.)
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:47am
      - lilman
        
        Fuck Bains compensation.
        
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        February 11, 2018 7:55pm
  - howitis
    
    …labour is intent on reinstating some sanity into the judicial system….
    ha ha ha
    
    -Remove three strikes for real bad bastards
    -Andrew Little (the unionist behind Pike River) has not clearly ruled out ‘each act of sex is rape by a male unless the male has a copy, in triplicate, of signed consent witnessed by 2 external parties’ or some such inequitable Labour shit
    -Labour will be back to stuffing the Courts with judges who are of the wet liberals type MAGA President Trump is now replacing
    -Interfere in other countries domestic politics – Manus Island without being a government that is here to represent ‘all New Zealanders’
    -appointed a speaker of the House who is biased and largely acting out Utu – might as well just call it what it is. This will lead to lower quality law being passed as the opportunity to speak against bad law is shut down.
    
    If nonstop talking (conversation ad nauseam) and visiting kindergartens was a virtue then Labour would be very virtuous.
    However the PM has made it clear for 4 months that she is only here to govern of behalf of children under 10, people over 70, and maoris. This is not going to lead to good outcomes.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:41am
    - Notsofast
      
      Well… it now appears that national and a community board did a deal to supply part of Chamberlain Park golf course to the Chinese for housing.
      This may seem off topic, but there is a credible suspicion.
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:51am
      - GazzaW
        
        For those of us not acquainted with West Auckland’s parish pump politics can we see some links to that ‘credible suspicion’? Or is it just suspicion? Why bring in the Chinese element? Are you saying that only Chinese residents would have been permitted to purchase those homes?
        
        The implication all sounds a tad too ‘Winston Peterish’ to be credible.
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:38am
      - howitis
        
        Not very quick:
        Can you provide evidence of this?
        Not ‘credible suspicion’
        >Your Honour, I have credible suspicion this person is guilty. No evidence. Just y’know, its the vibe n stuff.
        
        You luuuuve to tell us you know all, and we are dummies, but sadly never provide evidence for your tall stories. Just opinion. Everyone has got one of those as well as….
        
        On Wednesday it is halfway through February. Will your big reveal come to pass? Mmmm I wonder.
        
        Can you also confirm that the moon is made of green cheese?
        No evidence required!
        Suspicion will do. Credible or otherwise.
        
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        February 11, 2018 3:33pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      “This will lead to lower quality law being passed as the opportunity to speak against bad law is shut down.”
      
      But the Euthenasia legislation is going to have firm guidelines and safeguards for the vulnerable. Pfft.
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:58am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Well said peterwn. This passage from the FBI’s summary of evidence against Dotcom and his co-defendants outlines the difficulty copyright holders, especially small ones, had in dealing with Megaupload. This one is particularly pertinent because it involves a New Zealander being ripped off:
  
  Additional Victim Testimony
  
  97. The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of Virginia expects a victim referred to here as “JM” to testify to the following facts:
  a. JM was the owner and sole employee of a computer software company operated from JM’s home in New Zealand. The software allowed
  customers to create audio effects through a graphical synthesizer program. JM advertized and sold the software for $69 through an Internet website. Customers located in the United States purchased JM’s software.
  b. JM’s software required users to register the product prior to activation, and JM was able to identify infringing copies of the software by comparing registration information with payment records. Sales of JM’s software increased until the end of 2009, after which they began to drop. JM
  believed that the drop was due to copyright infringement. During a 5-day period in September of 2009, JM estimated that more than 65% of the
  software registrations were unpaid, copyright-infringing activations.
  c. In an attempt to combat copyright infringement, JM regularly distributed updates of the software with modified security provisions. Each time JM distributed an updated version of the software, sales would increase slowly and then drop. JM invested significant time into combating copyright infringement, which had a direct impact on his profits.
  d. JM identified approximately 10 to 20 URL links to copyright-infringing versions of the software available on Megaupload.com, and JM submitted
  takedown requests for those links. JM stated that if the underlying files remained active on Megaupload.com, even if the individual URL links
  were disabled, then the process was hopeless because JM could not afford legal representation to bring a copyright-infringement lawsuit.
  
  https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/usao-edva/legacy/2013/12/20/Mega%20Evidence.pdf
  
  Megaupload used its size and muscle to squeeze JM out of existence. As a sole operator, he did not have the resources to fight them. Every time they took down an illegal link to his product, others would appear.
  
  For those who are still defending Dotcom, read the entire summary of evidence. The e-mail trail is Dotcom and Co’s undoing, because in the e-mails, all their “dirty deeds” are laid bare.
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:22pm
  - peterwn
    
    Thanks for that. The Megaupload business was rather like ‘whack a mole’, as soon as you whack one mole (ie link), more moles appear. It would be virtually impossible for an aggrieved copyright holder to have all links taken down simultaneously as there would be one or more dormant links unknown to the copyright holder. Hence providing new links to replace ‘taken down’ ones would be rather trivial (could earn a trivial download credit for the person).
    The JM instance and others like it (Peter Jackson’s people would be aware of similar situations) means there is a serious case for denying any future citizenship to Kim. It also indicates that the responsible Minister needs to leave his political hat off when considering signing off any extradition order but then Labour probably owe Kim favours arising out of the 2014 election campaign.
    
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    February 11, 2018 6:01pm
Rodney Randall

This comment sat unfiltered on Renae Maihi’s Facebook page since Thursday. It was finally removed last night. Perhaps a tacit endorsement from the ‘offended’ SJW, running the campaign to remove Sir Bob Jones Knighthood.

These snowflakes are a joke.

“I have in mind that we just kill all the c×÷ts that want to treat our people like this and the white people wonder why the brown brothers and sisters want wae koz (sic) the shit is still going on” Te Rangiaukume Karetai
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February 11, 2018 8:19am
- Digmen1
  
  No wonder Maori and PI’s don’t do well, their English language is very poor, both written and spoken.
  They need to take an example from many other non white and non European people all over the world that try to speak and write English as best they can.
  These are the ones that are getting ahead.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:29am
- G152
  
  In her attempts to shut Sir Bob down she is the very thing she rails against.
  And getting offside with the general population does things to future employment possibilities
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:35am
  - Viking2
    
    These people lack any education about the principles of freedom of speech.
    They would stifle anyone who they disagree with. and of course more so if you are a white male man but even worse if you are rich.
    Listen to Sir Bob one evening and he new more about the local Maori history than many in his audience.
    
    Not surprising really.
    
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    February 11, 2018 8:46am
    - Piniwi
      
      Well Viking2 this little tanned clan member might soon get a lesson about free speech and the line that sits between what you can can’t say. Seems Sir Bob will take legal action against her for her petition to remove his knighthood. He will file for a modest $20,000 damage to get her back on the right track. Karma
      
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      February 11, 2018 6:31pm
- Huevon
  
  One makes light hearted remarks about how the Maoris should be grateful for the benefits of Western civilisation.
  
  The other advocates mass murder of individuals based solely on their membership of a racial group.
  
  Yet which one has allegedly committed a hate speech crime?
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:50am
- Swifty
  
  In cases like these I sometimes wonder whether people like Te Rangiaukume Karetai ever give a moment’s thought, if any, to what might be the white c×÷t’s response to somebody embarking on this course of lethal action.
  
  What, meekly submit?
  
  But then I quickly come to my senses and realise this is just another confused, angry, bitter little bed-wetter mouthing off in the internet.
  
  What a tough guy.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:31am
- Keeping Stock
  
  And now Sir Bob Jones is planning to sue Renae Maihi for defamation. She’s about to learn that every action has a consequence
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:58pm
- wreck1080
  
  It irritates me when pathetic liberals and self proclaimed ‘intellectuals’ accuse people with differing opinions from their own of hate speech.
  
  They lower the bar for hate speech so low that it is impossible to have a different opinion or idea!!
  
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  February 11, 2018 4:03pm
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“Ocean Acidification a sure sign of climate change known to be responsible to the destruction of large parts of the Great Barrier Reef ”

For tens of millions of years, Earth’s oceans have maintained a relatively stable acidity level. It’s within this steady environment that the rich and varied web of life in today’s seas has arisen and flourished. But research shows that this ancient balance is being undone by a recent and rapid drop in surface pH that could have devastating global consequences.
Since the beginning of the industrial revolution in the early 1800s, fossil fuel-powered machines have driven an unprecedented burst of human industry and advancement. The unfortunate consequence, however, has been the emission of billions of tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases into Earth’s atmosphere.
Scientists now know that about half of this anthropogenic, or man-made, CO2 has been absorbed over time by the oceans. This has benefited us by slowing the climate change these emissions would have instigated if they had remained in the air. But relatively new research is finding that the introduction of massive amounts of CO2 into the seas is altering water chemistry and affecting the life cycles of many marine organisms, particularly those at the lower end of the food chain.,,”

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/oceans/critical-issues-ocean-acidification/

“Ocean acidification: Decline of Great Barrier Reef likely to be worse than feared”

https://www.carbonbrief.org/ocean-acidifiction-decline-of-great-barrier-reef-likely-to-be-worse-than-feared
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February 11, 2018 8:20am
- tf78
  
  I saw someone interviewed on “The Outsiders” the other night and they said the state of the GBR was all BS and welcomed/recommended people to come and see for themselves.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:33am
- G152
  
  Utter BS.
  The death of the GBR has been the subject since the 50s.
  It was claimed the GBR would be no more in the 80s.
  There are many dive shops in the towns on the east coast of Aussie who’s entire reason for being is the tourist trade diving on the reef.
  Better luck with your next bullshit claim
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:39am
  - William of Ockham
    
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    https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/07/09/535754962/while-corals-die-along-the-great-barrier-reef-humans-struggle-to-adjust
    
    https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-warn-the-great-barrier-reef-can-no-longer-be-saved-by-current-efforts
    
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    February 11, 2018 8:48am
    - kowtow
      
      I see the PM of Tuvalu is a climate denier. He won’t accept the science that says his islands aren’t sinking , they’re growing.
      
      I imagine he can see all the foreign guilt trip money that warmism could send his way disappearing.
      
      Inconvenient truth indeed.
      
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      February 11, 2018 10:23am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Bugger those pesky birdseye satellite photos, the PM of Tuvalu can tell by looking from his 5’6″ eyesight level Tuvalu is shrinking. ?
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:22am
      - VicParking
        
        The irony is the research that proved the islands are growing is from the Climate Change capital of NZ Auckland University.
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:58am
      - KevOB
        
        He doesn’t need to worry about Tuvalu sinking its barely above sea level. Too many people are physically crushing the island spoiling drinking water as well. Tides make crops in salt water laden “land” difficult. King tides go straight over the top. Toileting is difficult too in a closed lagoon. (I once had a job offer there.)
        
        The area gained is barely significant at the waters edge. The whole place is unfit for human habitation. Climate change is irrelevant. See google views for how bad it is.
        
        Most of Kiriabti live on Tuvalu.
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:22pm
      - wreck1080
        
        Hey, that’s quite misleading and highly simplistic.
        
        In Tuvalu, changing sea levels have caused increased accretion of sand in some areas. So, effectively the land has risen.
        
        Other areas in Tuvalu which have not benefited from the sand accretion, have lost surface area due to rising seas.
        
        Of course, people like you will scurrilously cherry pick facts to suit your argument.
        
        I’m of the opinion that evidence currently suggests anthroprogenic global warming is happening. . . if evidence changes , then I’ll go with that but you need peer reviewed research!
        
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        February 11, 2018 4:11pm
      - wreck1080
        
        And, the salt water table in Tuvalu has risen. I’m not sure if rising sea levels causes that , but, it would be a worthwhile study.
        
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        February 11, 2018 4:15pm
      - Piniwi
        
        But kowtow judging by the picture on WO the place looks like a total garbage dump. Both foreground and background show a complete rubbish strewn place which might also add to it’s “growth”.
        
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        February 11, 2018 6:39pm
  - Colville
    
    The inner GBR is a grey dead shell compared to the reefs further out.
    The only reason tourists dive it is that it’s too far to go somewhere decent and pristine.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:09am
  - GazzaW
    
    We were told back in the 70s that the crown of thorns starfish was the deathknell of the GBR. Forty years on………….
    
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    February 11, 2018 11:43am
- William of Ockham
  
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  @stephieboy. These denier dorks wouldn’t know science from their scrotums!
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:52am
  - cmm
    
    WoO: “wouldn’t know science from their scrotums!”
    
    Please trot out your credentials.
    
    As for me: I have science degrees and all that… and a very scientific scrotum!
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:06am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    WoO. You have previously compared CC denial to paedophiler (soz about spelling, I’m not a learned man)
    
    Would you like to expand on that at all? Or are you prepared to admit it was a very poor analogy.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:46am
- cmm
  
  We see this same line trotted out wrt acidification killing off mussel farms etc.
  
  Yet somehow, bivalves (shellfish – pretty much indistinguishable from what we have today) flourished in the Mesozoic and Cenozoic periods etc. We know this due to the very healthy fossil records from that period.
  
  During those periods there were CO2 levels over three times what they are now.
  
  And fossil records show that corals thrived during the Triassic period when CO2 was over 2000 ppm – more than 5 times what it is now.
  
  It is true that many bivalve and coral species died out at the end of the Triassic, but why? There has obviously been speculation about the high CO2 levels but that’s where the research money is.
  
  If it takes 2000 ppm to kill off corals and bivalves, well we’re still a very long way away from that.
  
  http://www.bgs.ac.uk/discoveringGeology/time/Fossilfocus/bivalve.html
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:04am
  - Harkman
    
    In 15 years time somebody will disprove the greenie lefties, but by that time they will have quietly moved on to the next nonsense.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:42am
    - cmm
      
      The dodginess of the “science” was proven long ago, but that does not stop them.
      
      You see exactly the same from the people who still think they can prove some Russian/Trump collusion and have Clinton installed as Prez.
      
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      February 11, 2018 10:04am
Digmen1

As I keep asking.
If you believe in Climate Change, Global Warming or
Ocean acidification, Man made or not…
Please just answer one simple question.
If you were president of the world, what two or three steps would you take right now?
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February 11, 2018 8:26am
- William of Ockham
  
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  https://www.ecowatch.com/renewable-energy-stability-2532487339.html?
  
  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960148118301526
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:42am
  - cmm
    
    So using renewables and pump storage to take up the slack.
    
    They claim this would be cheaper than current energy, because they burden current energy with extra: hidden costs, environmental costs etc.
    
    ie. they are likely jacking up the cost of “dirty” electricity to, say, $1-2 per kWh to be able to make their numbers work.
    
    That is a bullshit thing to do. Cheap energy is what keeps people alive. $1-2 kWh (or even $0.5 kWh) energy costs would wipe out at least half the world’s population – especially brown people.
    
    So if killing brown people is the goal then no wonder Obama is such a leftie saint: the first US Prez to bomb brown people every day of his two terms – and also get a Nobel for it too!
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:17am
- Inandout
  
  If I were President of the world I would stop all volcano eruptions.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:27am
- Doubledimp
  
  Allow every individual the right to 0.75 of a child only (if humans are the cause of climate change, why aren’t we taking measures to reduce their numbers?)
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:36am
- backster
  
  Well I would increase taxes.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:05am
- wreck1080
  
  It is a good question. Taxing CO2 is the last thing we should consider as it will not work.
  
  There would probably be a range of measures to reduce CO2.
  
  Scrubbing CO2 from the atmosphere will ultimately be part of the solution. There is already research into carbon negative power plants.
  
  And, reducing CO2 emissions themselves . The move to electric cars will help (assuming they will draw power from carbon negative generation systems).
  
  But, I’m not an expert in the field, there is probably some quite advanced research in progress.
  
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  February 11, 2018 4:24pm
Digmen1

Yes, I used to use Megaupload to store and share my important peronsal, scientifc and technical documents to people all over the world….
(I’m joking of course)
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February 11, 2018 8:31am
- Viking2
  
  ah but plenty dig.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:41am
- MCos
  
  You were grizzling about someone mangling the English language earlier on this morning.
  Maybe you should lift your own standards.
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:53pm
Manolo

Keeping the Muslim terrorists at bay:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-10/syria-downs-israeli-f16-jet-pilots-safe-israeli-army-says

Israel launched attacks on Iranian and Syrian positions after it said Iran sent a military drone into its airspace Saturday, as the tense situation along the border threatened to escalate into wider violence.

Israel struck 12 targets in Syria, including three air-defense batteries and four Iranian targets, in a “large-scale attack” responding to the drone intrusion, the Israel Defense Forces said. An F-16 fighter plane crashed in northern Israel after coming under fire from Syrian anti-aircraft missiles, the Israeli army spokesman said in a text message; the pilots were hospitalized with moderate to severe injuries.
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February 11, 2018 8:33am
- KH
  
  Who is actually keeping the terrorists at bay Manolo. The Syrian army in the last few days eliminated the ISIS pocket in Hama. So what happens ? The USA bombs the Syrian Army in Deir Ezzor and the Israelis bomb Damascus.
  Seems to me it’s the Syrian Army doing the job on the terrorists, and the Israelis and the USA playing another game altogether. Don’t be deceived.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:50am
  - kowtow
    
    Every report I’ve seen has suggested that the Syrians have been happy for the Kurds , Yanks etc to fight ISIS , while they themselves have focussed on the opposition.
    
    US backed Kurds cleared ISIS from around Afrin and are now being attacked by the Russian backed NATO member Turks.
    
    Israel has been supporting Sunni terrorists on its borders against Assad in an effort to keep the Shia backed Assad mob at a distance . That’s what the shot down F16 is about , Israel now has Iran closing on its borders.
    
    Very complicated.And dirty. No one is a winner.
    
    And now New Zealand taxpayers are hosting the fall out.
    
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    February 11, 2018 10:57am
    - KH
      
      If that’s every report you have seen Kowtow, you are reading the wrong ones.
      Try http://www.southfront.org and also google “live map syria”. You have to be careful of the spin of course, but these inescapably show the geography very well, especially if you follow the movements of armies over time.
      Undoubtedly the Syrian Army fight against ISIS across the desert from Palmyra to Deir Ezzor last year and down to Al Burkmal was an epic.
      Check out the ISIS territory say one year ago, and again two years ago. Not the same as now by a huge margin.
      
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      February 11, 2018 2:52pm
Viking2

I note that there is now an attempt to smear another man for doing what most young men do when out partying with a nice female.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/101252766/human-rights-commission-boss-sexually-harasses-young-intern-but-keeps-job

The 26-year-old said she had just graduated from a top US university and was looking for a place to do field work for her Master’s programme when she landed an internship at the commission in August 2017.

“It’s a career I want to get into in the future, so I was wildly excited about it,” she said. “I’d always wanted to go to New Zealand. That was another aspect that was going to be really cool.”

That all changed one Friday night at a farewell party for a colleague, after work hours at a private venue. As the night wore on, her colleagues left and she planned to head home herself. Only she and Stutter remained.

At this point, Stutter began dancing with her, before advancing on her without her consent and groping her breasts and private parts, she said, despite her trying to push his hands away.

“I felt it was so severe that it was completely unacceptable and inappropriate.”

She told Stutter she needed to leave and he walked her out of the venue. She got in an Uber and left.

“I sent him an email later that night, just to let him know that it wasn’t OK and he should have asked permission to dance with me, to do anything with me,” she said.
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so an imported 26 year old snowflake went out to a party, remained till being the last 2 there, began dancing with the other party and then said he should have asked for permission to dance with her.
FFS Send her back where she came from.

Clearly set him up.
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February 11, 2018 8:33am
- Viking2
  
  So, a 26 year old was unable to manage her interaction with other people.
  
  He was a bit silly for Rule no 1.
  Never try it on with your workmates.
  Its a recipe for disaster.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:40am
- Huevon
  
  Seems like a culture clash. Kiwi bloke does what kiwis do. Get pissed and then get on the dance floor for a drunken fumble and pash. American intern, whose brain has probably marinated in leftist feminist grievance politics for years, blows this totally out of proportion.
  
  Seriously though, if a girl works at the Human Rights commission probably sensible to avoid her by a country mile!
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:02am
  - mikenmild
    
    That’s funny. You’re totally on the side of the guy working for the Human Rights Commission. Shouldn’t you automatically despise him too?
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:05am
    - sooty
      
      Labour importing more interns. How about jobs for locals.
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Unlike some folks who condemn any alternative view outright if it offends their political stance, it appears Huevon is able to consider alternative interpretations in a rational manner.
      
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      February 11, 2018 10:55am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W ,
        
        “ … it appears Huevon is able to consider alternative interpretations in a rational manner.”
        
        Appears etc ????
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Appears etc ????
        
        What’s your problem , stephieboy?
        
        I suggest a possibility.
        
        I don’t know Huevon.
        I can’t speak for him/her.
        I can only interpret his/her writings as I see them written down.
        I’m not in the habit of defining someone or shoving them into a pigeonhole based on a few words they have written on a blog.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:39pm
    - Paulus
      
      Are there any Men who work for the Human Rights Commission ?
      If they are I would assume they are Homos. –
      Gay does not mean what queers think it should – look up the definition in any decent dictionary.
      
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      February 11, 2018 11:28am
  - Gabby
    
    Dirty little fucker does what dirty little fuckers do hoover on.
    
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    February 11, 2018 6:52pm
- Colville
  
  How is it possible to dance with someone WITHOUT their permission?
  Doesn’t the other person just walk away or sit down? It’s pretty hard to dance with someone against her will if she sits down.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:16am
  - kowtow
    
    Dancing.
    
    The verticle expression of a horizontal desire.
    
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    February 11, 2018 10:52am
- KevOB
  
  The act of dancing implies consent to dance unless the other party has been drugged or is bound. This implies intimacy pertinent to dancing. Consent beyond that now needs to be in triplicate and witnessed by Poohbah.
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:31pm
Yvette

Winston
Paula Bennett said their lawyers had suggested seeking costs from Peters and that they had agreed.
As Peters had not filed any other proceedings as part of his “second phase” they [his lawyers] were looking to move on from the case.
Bennett hoped they could reach an amicable settlement with Peters, instead of using a court date – March 5 – which was still available to the case if needed.

It was always a questionable decision to name six people as being responsible for what was likely to be the action of one, if even that – it leaves five, now six, to take action against you for besmirching their reputations.

And this is the man who will be Prime Minister when Ardern, after bonding with her baby, is likely to chuck her leadership in?
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February 11, 2018 8:35am
- fernglas
  
  The point of the pre-trial discovery process here was to obtain information about which of the possible leakers to sue. Sounds like he has come up with nothing if they are all talking about getting costs.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:40am
  - Harkman
    
    Sue the drunken dwarf.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:45am
  - Yvette
    
    “They [National Ministers and two staff] have unwittingly provided on oath information beyond what I was entitled to receive from the documents, which also provides enough information to formulate proceedings against those involved in the privacy breach.” – Peters statement
    
    Or perhaps: mis-statement
    
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    February 11, 2018 10:10am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Peters was always on a fishing expedition, but it seems he forgot to use any bait. I hope the Court awards significant costs against him.
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:26pm
tf78

Ztev is still missing – I sort of hope they’re OK. (not that I really ever agree with him/her but have noticed their absence).
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February 11, 2018 8:36am
- G152
  
  Sad really. The importance of the poster grows with the lack of posts from the poster
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:42am
  - sooty
    
    Gabby was here yesterday been nasty to everybody all day. He/she/it was really throwing shit all round the place.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:21am
    - Harkman
      
      She can’t spell sweety, so I call her “sweaty” gabby.
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:47am
    - Swifty
      
      Mental health issues, that one.
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:49am
    - GazzaW
      
      Political blogs need a few trolls otherwise they become echo chambers. As mentioned yesterday if DPF wants KB to become a real political force then he needs to cull the ideological haters and those who come here to just take the piss with inane comments.
      
      I have no problem with ztev, he has excellent sources of information and also provides links. The stephieteam needs far more consistency in the quality of its posters but without fail provides great material for our entertainment. M&M, sam green and Left & Right all add value to KB. As for the rest ………..
      
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      February 11, 2018 12:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Second that.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:59pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        I volunteer to be a troll.
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:27pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’m always here to speak for the sheep of course! 🙂
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:29pm
- VicParking
  
  One of the labour Troll team must have forgotten the password.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:20am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes it certainly is a troll team. There maybe a few on here.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:48am
- JibberJabber
  
  Why would you want to summon the fuckwit?
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:43am
- backster
  
  Ztev is still missing….Yeh I’m really worried. Keeps me awake at night.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:12am
- hullkiwi
  
  ztev’s absence while Parliament has been in recess, suggests he/she/them are Labour Party Parliamentary staffers.
  
  What one or more ztevs has told us is that they were/are an MP, and one of them had worked in the construction industry in Auckland. Does anyone spring to mind?
  
  What I have noticed is that on some days, lending me to believe ztev is more than one person is the standard of the posts. Sometimes, they will contain a plethora of links (suggesting a research hack in parliament), on other occasions the responses are the standard of a tertiary student labour party groupie.
  
  But, I do miss sparring with ztev.
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:12pm
  - KiWombat
    
    I suspect he has changed his shirt
    
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    February 11, 2018 7:14pm
NK

Trump refuses to release the Democrats response to the Nunes memo. Wow, what a surprise. Not.

Like all dictators, he despises dissent. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/09/donald-trump-blocks-democrat-nunes-memo-russia
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February 11, 2018 8:38am
- William of Ockham
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:49am
  - UpandComer
    
    https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.nationalreview.com/article/449539/chinese-illegally-donated-bill-clinton-reelection-campaign-media-downplayed
    
    The DNC would know all about nuclear secrets for foreign dirty money.
    
    How many people fled the country from that sebate investigation
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:15am
  - kowtow
    
    Dirty money?
    
    Here’s one from the squeaky clean EU , and how many times has the HSBC paid huge bribes ,oops fines, to make money laundering charges go way?
    
    ‘ European aircraft manufacturer Airbus on Friday said it had agreed to pay a fine of €81.25 million ($99 million) to end a German corruption probe into the 2003 sale of Eurofighter jets to Austria.’
    
    https://www.thelocal.de/20180210/airbus-to-pay-81-million-to-end-german-corruption-probe
    
    But the drum beat is always Trump Trump Trump Putin Putin Putin.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:48am
- UpandComer
  
  http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456287/grassley-graham-memo-affirms-nunes-memo-fisa-steele-dossier
  
  Because he’s right. The DNC memo is more of the same bullshit.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:13am
- Milhous
  
  All memos are equal. Though some are more equal than others.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:23am
- Inandout
  
  Whatever Trump does, the Dems will find something wrong.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:30am
  - Milhous
    
    To be fair , that’s hardly challenging.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:32am
    - Inandout
      
      We have a St Cindy here who gets a smooth ride by our media, whatever she does.
      
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      February 11, 2018 10:02am
- VicParking
  
  NK if you learn to read more than the Guardians Headlines and to fact check their material you will see two things.
  The FBI and the Justice Dept recommended Trump not release it as it contains Security/sensitive material.
  Trump has referred the documents back to the Dem’s so they can discuss rewriting or redacting the sensitive material with the FBI and/or Justice Dept.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:32am
  - Milhous
    
    Oh you mean the same departments that he ignored when the same advice was given re the Nunes memo?
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:35am
    - Harkman
      
      The Nunes memo contained no sensitive names or methods. Just corruption by the Obama administration. Dems were trying to set a trap for Trump if he redacted parts of it, so he sent it back to them to redact. Smart move.
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:53am
      - Inandout
        
        Like Labour here, I think the Dems are a bit thick. No business savvy there.
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:04am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I reckon Milhous and NK are pretty thick too!
        So funny to observe their TDS and the way they swallow Dem talking points is just stunning gullibility.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:10pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Harkman ,
        
        “Just corruption by the Obama administration” ?
        
        Examples ?
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:37pm
    - lilman
      
      Milhous – the Dems loaded the memo so Trump had No option but to hold it.
      Its politics.
      The only ones with Russian connections are the Dems.
      
      That is a proven fact.
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:03pm
  - NK
    
    The same departments also pleaded with Herr Trump not to release the Nunes memo as well.
    
    Open your eyes.
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:02pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      You I presume read the Nunes memo ? Nothing affecting National Security in it. Schiff and the DOJ complaining about it were simply trying to conceal their dirty secrets, and lying.
      
      Schiff is just playing games that only the simple minded would fall for.
      
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      February 11, 2018 7:10pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , speaking of gullibility update us with your donate a brick to the White House scheme ?
    
    Timeline for completion ?
    
    LOL
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:40pm
- Ross12
  
  He has refused to release the DNC memo in its current form. Schiff tried to be smart and include some intelligence methods and sources knowing they would have to be redacted –then he could say Trump censored his memo. So on legal advice Trump has sent it back to the DNC to get it right. Then he will release it.
  The current administration believes in doing things properly.
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:38am
- Ed Snack
  
  Simple minded folks just listen to the talking points and don’t have the wit to understand what is going on.
  
  Schiff appears to have deliberately put significant amounts of classified information into his memo, there was an entire section on sources and methods – something that it must be noted that he claimed was in the Nunes memo for a start – but wasn’t.
  
  It is/was a transparent ploy to get significant redaction or rejection so he could play up to the media exactly as he has. Done in bad faith by a tool.
  
  What is more interesting is the release of a significantly less redacted memo from the Senate investigation into the same area that confirms that the Steele Doosier was the key to obtaining FISA approval to conduct surveillance of Carter Page and through him of the Trump campaign in the lead up to the election and beyond.
  
  Now which is it you anti-Trumpers ?
  
  1. The Dossier info is real, from Russian sources, and at least in part True; or
  
  2. The Dossier is NOT from Russian sources.
  
  If it is true and from Russian sources, did the FSB know about and consent to its release, or was it smuggled out without the FSB’s knowledge ? If so, would you expect Russian retaliation against those releasing classified information ?
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:26am
  - Ed Snack
    
    No answers ?
    
    What is it, Russian disinformation or Clinton campaign hatchetmen’s make believe fairytales ?
    
    If it’s in the least true it’s FSB approved, if it is Russian it is FSB approved true or not.
    
    If it’s not Russian, it’s a Clinton special.
    
    So which is it ?
    
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    February 11, 2018 7:29pm
- KevOB
  
  He has referred it back for excision of parts considered revelations about national security.
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:33pm
UpandComer

Why are progressives, including the ones in the National party, willing to burn bridges and die on a hill for an emanation of the same philosophy responsible for the transgendering of innocent children and pedophilia?

It’s been demonstrated over and over again that these phenomena are linked, and that there has been almost perverse levels of abuse of euthanasia in Belgium and Utah. The same lawyers calling for an end to age of consent on euthanasia are calling for the abolishment of the concept across the EU in respect of sexual relations.

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/belgium-to-lower-age-of-consent-to-13/

In Utah they don’t collect any information and there is no penalty for doing so, and where there is a penalty, it isn’t enforced because the regulators are also the non information gatherers.

The NZ Bill is a direct duplicate of the Belgian model where they kill tens of thousands of patients per year against their will.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3120835/Belgian-GPs-killing-patients-not-asked-die-Report-says-thousands-killed-despite-not-asking-doctor.html

The good faith section in the bill being pushed by these young people is appalling. It’s says as long as a doctor acts in good faith, they can murder with impunity.

Right now in Belgium there is a case going to the Supreme Court where a woman spent weeks expressing non agreement to euthanasia. Her will said it couldn’t happen without consent. She was given a sedated coffee and even woke up and phsycially tried to stop the needle being administered. The doctor had her family hold her down as she was out down.

The good faith defence says these doctors dindu nuffin wrong.

http://www.spectator.com.au/2017/01/murder-euthanasia-warning-netherlands/

The progressives are directly importing Belgium to NZ.

In fact our bill goes further. It says if a doctor doesn’t refer to a creepy Kevorkian, they go to jail for one year and or face a ten K fine. But if a doctor acts per the above link, it’s fine, because they acted in good faith.

Euthanasia is a test of a civilization. Any creep who gets up and talks about western institutions and facilitates Belgian euthanasia, and there are a few in the National party, has absolutely zero right to claim the mantle of the west. They don’t understand it, and they are worse in some ways then the trans theorists. At least there the brain washed individual isn’t dead right away. There are normally a few years of increasing mental illness before suicide.

Don’t listen to the worm tongues saying NZ will be different. This bill is worse then even in Belgium. Even in Belgium there is a right for individual doctors but not institutions to conscientiously object.

The architects of this bill, including in the National party, have a test. If it passes, are they going to add in controls. Or, are they going to double down on the Belgium experience.

It will be very interesting to see.

The bill must have independent oversight of doctors adherence, and maintain manslaughter and murder and get rid of ‘good faith’ defence for doctors.

It’s pretty pathetic for these libertarian types to lie as much as they do on this issue. Social engineering on a vast scale coming from the Act and minority of the National party. Very sad for New Zealand.
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February 11, 2018 8:52am
- Peter
  
  My choice, none of your business.
  
  If you don’t wish to use the option, that is your choice.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:29am
  - kowtow
    
    I think that’s the point u&c is making . Once the law is passed some people won’t get a choice. Slippery slope. Just like abortion was going to be strictly limited or when the death penalty was abolished the crims would spend the rest of their naturals in gaol , that then became only 10 years.
    
    How can you tell a politician is lying?
    
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    February 11, 2018 10:20am
    - Peter
      
      The slippery slope is a logical fallacy. Will there be edge cases? Of course, because there are edge cases in all aspects of life and with all laws.
      
      So what?
      
      The person isn’t being “saved”. They are dying. They don’t have an option to get up, go play tennis and live another 20 years. Their option, in most cases, is dying miserably next month or dying with dignity now.
      
      If you don’t want that choice, that’s fine. I respect your choice.
      
      Respect mine.
      
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      February 11, 2018 11:14am
      - UpandComer
        
        That’s rubbish.
        
        They are killing 25 year olds with anxiety in Belgium. Without telling the families. You know, sovereign individual, and all that jazz.
        
        Your choice perverts the ‘choice,’ of others.
        
        You’re talking absolute nonsense.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:06pm
      - Peter
        
        The simple way to prevent his is to only allow it for terminal conditions, like the final stages of dementia, not depression.
        
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        February 11, 2018 2:03pm
  - UpandComer
    
    It’s not a choice. It’s gone up eightfold in Belgium since inception. Death isn’t a choice it becomes a duty. It is a complete lie that this is a ‘choice’. All manner of institutional incentives and group pressure turn it into an obligation. It always metastasizes until there is no age of consent and no class of malady including subjective assertions of psychic pain that isn’t a trigger.
    
    I’m sorry but Chris Bishop et al are completely fucked on this issue and it’s not going to be an easy transition into degeneracy.
    
    It absolutely is my business. Because the ((choice)) of the individual bears directly on the collective. Grandpops sleepy medicine’ gets added to Daddy’s Roommate in the primary schools and all of a sudden we have a death industry.
    
    I’m sorry but euthanasia is directly linked to the trannie movement and the queer theorists, and the Pedo liberationists. If you vote euthanasia, don’t pretend it isn’t a vote for the other manifestations of the same philosophy.
    
    Western civilization is about life. Not death. Cultural Marxists including in the National party have no business being in the west.
    
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    February 11, 2018 10:40am
    - Peter
      
      It’s not a choice. It’s gone up eightfold in Belgium since inception.
      
      Their option wasn’t to live. They were dying, regardless.
      
      It is a complete lie that this is a ‘choice’.
      
      It will be my choice, not yours.
      
      It absolutely is my business. Because the ((choice)) of the individual bears directly on the collective.
      
      Not with my life, it isn’t. I reject your collectivism. Might I suggest that notion is better suited to left-wing thought.
      
      I’m sorry but euthanasia is directly linked to the trannie movement and the queer theorists, and the Pedo liberationists
      
      Non-sequitur.
      
      Western civilization is about life. Not death.
      
      We all die, Western or otherwise.
      
      Cultural Marxists
      
      Libertarian.
      
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      February 11, 2018 11:23am
      - UpandComer
        
        You can commit suicide anytime you like. Be my guest.
        
        Exercise your ancap fedora edgelord libertarian rights.
        But don’t legalise it to be done to others on your behalf.
        
        Libertarianism stops at economics. It also stops when you use coercion and force against other individuals within the collective and literally repudiate evolutionary biology and social nature in order to force the world to cohere to your nonsensical abstract model of it.
        
        Medically, you have not a leg to stand on. The neuronal profile of an individual changes by the hour. Euthanasia locks an individual into a moment in time. Choices about euthanasia change literally with melatonin levels and Circadian rhythm. Exactly the same as decisions about trangender fluctuate with momentary hormonal profiles.
        
        Libertarians are as non scientific now as socialists. You are nonsense science now.
        
        Don’t sit there in smarm and say 17 years of empirical data showing that euthanasia is NOT an individual choice, doesn’t exist. This excrement isn’t theoretical anymore. Your retarded libertarian arguments on the issue have been btfo by reality. This isn’t conceptual anymore. We know what happens. What always, always happens.
        
        How you libertarian soy merchants can talk Ricardian economic incentives all day and night and then not acknowledge their existence in ‘individual choice’ on social issues is really a mystery of the universe.
        
        It’s a complete mystery why eight times as many Belgians suddenly have ((terminal illness)) subsequent to euthanasia completely dominating their society. No link whatsoever. Just individual choices made by atomised individuals in their subjective realities. No incentives active. No group pressure vectors active. No social proofing active. No mass indoctrination active.
        
        The woman was held down after she struggled against her sleepy coffee.
        
        But it was all in ‘good faith’.
        
        Not only is not an individual choice, it’s not even a collective choice. No one votes for what they always get.
        
        It is not a non sequitur to say that euthanasia is linked to all the other self determination theory post modern clusterfucks. It’s directly on point. You don’t like the argument because it’s effective. So therefore it is a non sequitur. Get fucked. It’s the same in all domains.
        
        You reject collectivism whilst supporting the coerced creation of a death culture on the collective.
        
        The good thing is, all you intellectual vacuums in time will be simply purged by the East Asians or forced into Islam. You’re irrelevant in all conceptions of the universe except to the extent you can destroy and deconstruct.
        
        I suppose the deep damage you do to children will even out, in time. You will be replaced by superior psycho-social-soiritual cultures.
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:58am
      - Peter
        
        You can commit suicide anytime you like. Be my guest.
        
        Countered above.
        
        Exercise your ancap fedora edgelord libertarian rights.
        
        ?
        
        But don’t legalise it to be done to others on your behalf.
        
        I’m not. It’s their choice, not mine.
        
        Libertarianism stops at economics.
        
        That is false.
        
        It also stops when you use coercion and force against other individuals
        
        That’s what you’re doing. Removing choice to favour your collective notions.
        
        Medically, you have not a leg to stand on.
        
        Perhaps you should see what happens in hospices.
        
        The neuronal profile of an individual changes by the hour. Euthanasia locks an individual into a moment in time. Choices about euthanasia change literally with melatonin levels and Circadian rhythm. Exactly the same as decisions about trangender fluctuate with momentary hormonal profiles.
        
        You seem to be indulging in typing practice.
        
        You are nonsense science now.
        
        If you’re referring to the nonsense you wrote above, that appears to be the case.
        
        Don’t sit there in smarm and say 17 years of empirical data showing that euthanasia is NOT an individual choice, doesn’t exist. This excrement isn’t theoretical anymore. Your retarded libertarian arguments on the issue have been btfo by reality. This isn’t conceptual anymore. We know what happens. What always, always happens.
        
        People with terminal conditions die. Their option was never to live.
        
        How you libertarian soy merchants can talk Ricardian economic incentives all day and night and then not acknowledge their existence in ‘individual choice’ on social issues is really a mystery of the universe.
        
        There will be economic incentives in death. There are now. However, these can be mitigated.
        
        It’s a complete mystery why eight times as many Belgians suddenly have ((terminal illness)) subsequent to euthanasia completely dominating their society.
        
        They were people who were dying, regardless. Had it not been for euthanasia, they would simply show up in natural death statistics.
        
        No link whatsoever. Just individual choices made by atomised individuals in their subjective realities. No incentives active. No group pressure vectors active. No social proofing active. No mass indoctrination active.
        
        I’ve addressed this. Yes, it’s a risk. A risk that can be mitigated. Identifying a risk is not a reason to throw soemthing out, as you wouldn’t be able to do anything.
        
        There is much risk to mental stability in being a God bothering loon. That’s not to say it shouldn’t be allowed. Everyone needs a hobby.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:58pm
      - UpandComer
        
        I’m not removing choice. You can’t remove something that doesn’t exist. That’s first principle.
        
        In addition, the libertarian arguments for euthanasia rely upon the notion that euthanasia is absent coercion. There is 17 years of data and tens of thousands of forced deaths that show the fantasy that is that argument.
        
        “It’s their choice, not mine”.
        
        No, you’re making the choice for them. Future generations will not euthanize themselves absent the facility.
        
        The 25 year olds in Belgium ‘euthanising’ for ADHD and anxiety would still be alive of they lived in a society that didn’t trap them in their own subjective evaluations which are warped by their conditions.
        
        You are making a choice for other individuals. The empirical evidence is absolutely clear. You can deny it in your weird written monotone all you like. Go deny Newton’s laws while you’re at it.
        
        “Collective notions”
        
        It’s not notional. Again, 17 years of empirical evidence and decades of science in evolutionary biology and social science show that you are wrong.
        
        “You seem to be indulging in typing practice”
        
        You seem to be indulging in typing practice.
        
        The point stands. Medically, people’s decisions change all the time. It is the height of stupidity and cruelty and illogic to first label someone as disabled warranting their euthanasia, then make no concession to the disabled nature of the decision. Every trigger test is subjective. Subjective evaluations change, medically, every day. That’s scientific fact. Saying a monochromatic thing in response is not an argument.
        
        Decisions change. Particularly ones made by sick people with volatile brain function.
        
        Murdered sedated coffee lady demonstrates that individual choice is purely nominal in euthanasia. Changes of mind are not permitted.
        
        “People with terminal illnesses die”
        
        See the 17 years of empirical evidence on how that phrase has been redefined. Again, this isn’t theoretical anymore.
        
        “Their option was never to live” – False.
        
        Only someone who knows literally nothing about how euthanasia has progressed and regressed in practice would make such a stupid statement. That shows you have no idea of definitions, scopes, or ages. Or you’re lying.
        
        “Never been in a hospice”
        
        Worked in one, and in a terminal ward.
        
        You imply hospice calculus is bad, then say let’s apply that to the entire society.
        
        Genius.
        
        “Economic factors bear on death now, can be mitigated”
        
        The relevance of purely economic factors on life and death are exponentially increased when euthanasia becomes the equivalent of aspirin and classified as a medical treatment.
        
        I will never understand how social democrats and libertarians can combine antithetical economic and social ideas.
        
        We must care about society, but kill the most vulnerable once they lose utility.
        
        Individual choice is sacrosanct, so let’s create a euthanasia society based on collective coercion of the individual at their most vulnerable point.
        
        No, the economic incentives cannot be mitigated to any effective level.
        
        Once you combine scarcity with a reclassification of death as medical treatment, plus self regulation by the profession, there is no mitigation. Again, 17 years of empirical evidence.
        
        “Those who were euthanized would have died anyway”
        
        And now we get to the crux of the creepy. Having drawn out that statement, I’ll just let it resonate.
        
        People die says Peter, so what of the timing?
        
        Absolutely perverse, and cold, and weird. Again, you betray complete ignorance of the subjective nature of euthanasia, it’s scope, or its age range.
        
        Most of those Belgians and Dutch would have lived if the doctor didn’t kill them without their consent, or the family was notified, or if they were smiled at in the morning etc.
        
        “There is a risk again it can be mitigated”
        
        It’s not a risk when you have 1.0 likelihoods. It’s a certainty.
        
        Reality isn’t going to co-operate with your thesis. I’m sure it will pass, but the people interested in truth and science and civilization will oppose this and we will get rid of it just as soon as we can.
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:45pm
      - Peter
        
        In addition, the libertarian arguments for euthanasia rely upon the notion that euthanasia is absent coercion. There is 17 years of data and tens of thousands of forced deaths that show the fantasy that is that argument.
        
        I don’t think they do. At least, mine doesn’t. Coercion exists, regardless, but that doesn’t therefore mean I can’t make an individual choice.
        
        For example, I may feel much social pressure amongst acceptances to agree with or accept various positions, but I do not.
        
        Etc….
        
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        February 11, 2018 2:12pm
    - Jack5
      
      Upandcomer repeats his anti-euthanasia lies, including this:
      
      …”euthanasia is directly linked to the trannie movement and the queer theorists, and the Pedo liberationists.”
      
      Upandcomer, if, in your raving, you want to accuse anyone of being linked to “pedo liberationists,” start with the paedophiles among Catholic priests – and other religions. These people are, like you, also hostile to euthanasia.
      
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      February 11, 2018 12:23pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Gays are 198 times more likely when they are Priests to commit child abuse.
        
        The easy solution would be no gay priests – would you support that solution. The obvious link between the homosexuality of the genuine infiltrating abusers and what they did just never seems for some weird reason to come up.
        
        As we know it’s much worse in all the other religions. Vastly worse in Judaism, and it is a meme at this point in Islam, except Islam is crueller to girls.
        
        In addition, like the Jamie Damore law suit I’ve actually read a lot of these suits. Cold water taps and pillow fights by other students equal rape. Well it is a broad definition these days.
        
        I’m not saying people who vote for euthanasia support the other manifestations of the philosophy. I’m trying to teach people that there is a link in the first place.
        
        Jordan Peterson did something wonderful when he compared the transgender destruction of language with Mao with Cathy Newman, because it’s an obvious link that isn’t intuitive. Now people can make the link. I’m just trying to do the same before we’re Canada and we’re finished.
        
        I’m trying to do the same as Peterson. The smart radical idealogues trying to pervert our society always negate the obvious links. So they have to keep being made. Because they are real. The “humanist” institutes in Belgium and the “social justice” institutes in Canada are indeed simultaneously running the same campaign on transgenderism, euthanasia, and sexual consent.
        
        I know my tone is deeply antagonistic, but that’s on purpose to cut through the conditioning.
        
        Euthanasia doesn’t exist in isolation, and neither does the individual. That’s science.
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:09pm
  - lifesgood
    
    You can always take your own life. There is no law against it. The danger is legalising someone else to do it. What are you scared of?
    
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    February 11, 2018 10:54am
    - Peter
      
      It’s the timing. For example, some people suffer from mentally degenerative diseases and they want the option of exiting before they lose their facilities.
      
      Again, if you don’t want that option, that’s fine.
      
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      February 11, 2018 11:28am
      - UpandComer
        
        Then they should commit suicide whilst they have their capacity.
        
        They have no right to catalyse massive collective forces against other individuals in different situations.
        
        If they know they’re going to degenerate, why should they be able to sacrifice others in order to arbitrarily extend their life. Statisticslly that is a fact.
        
        As you said, we’re all dying. So why shouldn’t they die at their own hand a little sooner?
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:14pm
      - Peter
        
        Then they should commit suicide whilst they have their capacity.
        
        They don’t want to implicate their loves ones. Their are risks it could go wrong or be painful.
        
        They have no right to catalyse massive collective forces against other individuals in different situations.
        
        They don’t. You are entitled to your collectivist notions, but I have no time for them. This is a matter for the individual. Might there be cases where the institutions create pressure? Yes, that is a risk, but it is not a risk that outweighs the right of the individual, in my view. It is also a risk that can be managed. i.e. it’s not an available option for people who aren’t dying soon or whos quality of life is severely impaired with no chance of recovery.
        
        If they know they’re going to degenerate, why should they be able to sacrifice others i
        
        They aren’t. There is some risk of edge cases, which I’ve dealt with. You’re ignoring the cases where people are forced to suffer against their will.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:43pm
      - Jack5
        
        Upandcomer posted at 12.15:
        
        “If they know they’re going to degenerate, why should they be able to sacrifice others in order to arbitrarily extend their life. Statisticslly that is a fact.”
        
        What does the statement, “statisically that is a fact,” relate to?
        
        Peter (12.43 post), Upandcomer is obviously a raving religious fanatic.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:45pm
      - Peter
        
        Jack,
        
        I’ve read the rantings of religious fanatics in the past and feel that I would have more respect for their position if those fanatics simply stated “my sky fairy doesn’t like it and I wish to impose my sky fairies unhinged directives on you!”
        
        It would, at least, be honest.
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:10pm
  - MrTips
    
    It is my business when, like Belgium, we end up killing 1.4% of euthanised people without their explicit request to do so. Because, that is where it will go: it’s done so in every jurisdiction, to a greater or lesser extent.
    
    It also becomes my business when people like David Seymour go to public meetings and encourage the public to lie, by suggesting they should write to politicians and say they personally voted for them (even when they don’t live in their electorate) and support euthanasia. It also becomes my business when David Seymour makes bullshit statements that morphine is used to end peoples lives here. It also becomes my business when David Seymour claims that depression would automatically exclude someone from euthanasia under his bill, when it is almost a carbon copy of the Belgian one, where a 29 year old depressive has just been euthanised, because she was tired of living.
    
    So when you claim, my choice none of your business, you’re deluded. It becomes my business to stop miscreant doctors and family committing murder by breaking the law. A flawed law designed and written by an ill educated buffoon who is only in Parliament because National can’t be bothered.
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:36pm
Humble Capitalist

‘and that’s why in the end….we chose a coalition government of New Zealand First with the New Zealand Trade Unions Party…thank you very much’ from Mr I would have missed the 5% threshold if the electorate had known my coalition intentions and ‘negotiations’ charade 19/10/17
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February 11, 2018 8:54am
flipper

The dangers inherent in the use of children by the media. Uninformed media pre-ejaculation……. and it is in MZ as well…. here, by a few prickwits and the MSM :

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/10/let-games-begin-week-olympic-sized-bias-on-stocks-and-dictators-and-assorted-media-failures.html
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February 11, 2018 9:03am
- mikenmild
  
  That story seems to have missed some of the more entertaining stories of the week:
  – VP Pence struggling to explain why Kim Jong-un parade bad: Donald Trump parade good.
  – poor old John Kelly (and his boss) lavishing praise on a senior staffer they knew was a serial wife beater
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:13am
  - Inandout
    
    Can you honestly say all the males you know are squeaky clean in private? Sometimes you just don’t know.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:32am
    - Digmen1
      
      What is it they say?
      The average man thinks of sex 10 times a day?
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:54am
      - Inandout
        
        Make that 100 times for an average European migrant.
        
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        February 11, 2018 10:05am
    - mikenmild
      
      I think the point here is that Kelly did know, but didn’t care.
      And are you seriously be suggesting that because some other staff might beat their wives, Kelly couldn’t act when made aware of one who does.
      
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      February 11, 2018 10:45am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Kelly had him out the door within 40 minutes of finding out.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:07pm
      - mikenmild
        
        You know that is nonsense, yet you repeat it. Just because Kelly or Trump say something does not make it reality.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:21pm
      - axeman
        
        Why did it take the FBI nearly a year to inform the WH that he had a history with marital abuse? Slow walking those facts designed to embarrass Trump?
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:31pm
  - VicParking
    
    What Trump Parade??
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:34am
    - Harkman
      
      France has one, good. Trump goes to do the same, bad. Our binary media world.
      
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      February 11, 2018 9:56am
      - Jack5
        
        That’s true, Harkman. NZ sent a delegation to the 2016 annual parade marking World War 1.
        
        It was led by Maori in traditional Maori warrior dress (bugger all), though comparatively few Maori were among the thousands of NZ soldiers who fought in France in World War 1.
        
        Bet Labour won’t send an NZ delegation to a Trump parade. Not after the Lefties insulted and protested against visits to Auckland by the US Navy, which saved NZ from invasion in World War 2.
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:17am
      - mikenmild
        
        I think you will find that those protests were against nuclear weapons and nuclear propulsion,, rather than anti-Americanism per se. While I saw, nothing wrong with our alliance with the US then, I don’t think it helps to grossly mischaracterise the argument.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, the Auckland protesters were hostile to visiting American warships, which were not nuclear powered.
        
        Perhaps some of these Leftist twits were among the crowds who, waving red flags, welcomed Chinese warships to Auckland.
        
        I understand the US Navy reacted by refusing to allow NZ warships to berth at US Navy facilities in Honolulu.
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:47pm
stephieboy

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flipper , an over so rich irony alert from Faux Fox News and you !

FOX’s file

FOX

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http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/tv/fox/
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February 11, 2018 9:08am
- VicParking
  
  Stephie only logged in as three people today (Two upticks I see). My regards to the goat ??
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:36am
- flipper
  
  “polifact” has as much credibility as you and milky et al – just idiot a’holes.
  BTW …. check out independent (of NBC , ABC, MSNBC et al /Mother Jones, Yahoo, Vox, Slate ) controlled left wing idiot sites for real audience and reliability ratings. Clinton and her bunch of enablers listened to them (her daily media boosters) and they missed real nationwide trends, and were wildly astray. Pity about that sacrificial glass ceiling that survived her wake.
  You idiots are just so silly, so uninformed, that your heads are buried in some or*****. So, go crawl back inside poofie and the dyke….
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:21am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    On the contrary.
    Politifact’s business model depends on its accuracy.
    But hey just keep on making it up to suit your warped view on reality idiot boy.
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:16pm
Manolo

Ure and Griff are considering a shift to the States:
https://www.aspentimes.com/news/local/aspen-marijuana-shops-sold-11-3-million-in-2017-topping-liquor-stores-for-first-time/
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February 11, 2018 9:14am
- Jack5
  
  Phil Ure, Phil U – wasn’t he the poster/troll who had done time for armed robbery?
  
  Not sure they’d let him into America.
  
  PhilU used so many fullstops in his post, it was as if he were stuttering on the keyboard.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:22am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed; Phil did time for the armed robbery of a pharmacy, but never, in any of his drug-addled posts, did he express remorse for the undoubted trauma he caused to his victims.
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:30pm
sooty

Lordee, lordee! I see that they are looking to cancel the Florida concerts by Lorde because of their anti BDS laws. That will hurt her bottom line having to payout a shit load of dough!
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February 11, 2018 9:27am
- Inandout
  
  Every action has a reaction.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:34am
  - Piniwi
    
    But Inandout this could make the going even tougher to little Ella Yelich-O’Connor who has had to have some pharmaceutical support already to keep her head together. It is starting to extend the liabilities column faster than record sales. Latest musical efforts struggling because it is not so good indicating creativity is slipping, push back from taking an activists stance over something she know less about. Might be a good time to wager which “star” will fade fastest? Her or the Commie Chick? They are tied at the moment as struggling to write their own stuff.
    
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    February 11, 2018 7:07pm
- Harkman
  
  Teach her a lesson for being idiotic.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:58am
- mikenmild
  
  Weren’t we arguing about laws restricting free speech just the other day?
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:47am
- KKKKatee
  
  Luvvly jubbly!
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:05pm
stigie

Doesn’t it make you gush and feelz warm and fuzzy inside..?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11992023
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February 11, 2018 9:48am
- Inandout
  
  She is a miracle woman, I mean she is pregnant.
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t think you could find a gushier, warm & fuzzy old chook than me where babies are concerned.
  
  I can’t keep my gropies off their little chubby faces, but I’M OFFICIALLY OVER IT!!!!!
  
  There are about 60,000+ pregnant women in NZ at the moment…
  perhaps some 16 Million women worldwide are pregnant at the moment..
  
  I’m sure some of these mums-to-be have interesting tales to tell, even if they are not PM of a few sparsely populated islands at the end of the Earth.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:10am
  - stephieboy
    
    Maggy W , we will let the average reader judge that .They don’t seem to get enough . No matter how dismaying or irritating you might find it .
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:16pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      They don’t seem to get enough .
      
      I’ll take your word for it, stephieboy.
      
      I’m sure you have the figures to back up your claim.
      
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      February 11, 2018 2:24pm
      - Johnboy
        
        stephie’s spot on in my case! 🙂
        
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        February 11, 2018 2:27pm
- RF
  
  This unmarried PM has been trying to get in the family way for some time and was surprised that it finally happened.
  
  FFS.
  
  Obviously the position of PM to her is jolly hockey sticks. Whereas I have some respect for the parliamentary institution I have no respect for slappers who abuse it and do not treat it with dignity.
  
  The one bright light is that intelligent citizens are becoming so sick and tired about our Pollyanna’s pregnancy and the minute by minute account of it.
  
  Maybe in addition to Tree planting and the new Housing counter we should have another for our temporary PM’s confinement.
  
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  February 11, 2018 7:54pm
cmm

So now the stock market crash is reclassified as a “wobble”.

How is it going to impact your Kiwisaver? Sure, it would have had an immediate knock-down effect, but astute investment managers should also be able to pick up some bargains and it should result in some good outcomes in the next few months.
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February 11, 2018 10:00am
- KevOB
  
  I hope they are well battened down. We may learn yet that KiwiSaver will be used to ultimately pay pensions in $NZD and that investment here may be smart.
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:37pm
Harkman

Does anyone still watch breakfast TV or the 7PM shows?

Surely their ratings have plunged?
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February 11, 2018 10:00am
- stigie
  
  Not tomorrow Harkman, Taxcinda will be on !~
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:04am
- Inandout
  
  I watch Garner for about 30 minutes. No 7pm.
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:08am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    I haven’t watched the propaganda at 6 for a long time and too busy providing employment for real Kiwis to ever see the mindless PC giggly dribble that is breakfast TV
    
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    February 11, 2018 10:28am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      And that new 7 sharp is beyond awful. I know because I had to endure 60seconds of it
      
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      February 11, 2018 10:29am
      - Digmen1
        
        I like Jeremy Wells
        And I have watched two full Sven Sharps.
        But it really is awful
        So laid back
        And the stories are just straight from the Womans Weekly
        
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        February 11, 2018 11:00am
      - mikenmild
        
        I’m still struggling to cope with the idea of a comedian known for his parodies of Mike Hosking could actually replace Hosking as a host.
        The material on 7 Sharp hasn’t changed. The most amusing thing has been Wells appropriating ‘happy days’ and ‘those were our people’, etc. Homage to his predecessors, or pointing out his bizarre situation now?
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:27pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Who watches that drivel?
        My TV goes on for the cricket, the darts and the snooker.
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:19pm
- mandk
  
  Haven’t had a TV since 2006, and Mrs mandk and I don’t miss it at all.
  
  We can get all the news, drama and documentary we want on the internet.
  
  And, if there is a game of football or rugby I want to watch, I go to the pub.
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:44am
- Longknives
  
  I saw a few minutes of Breakfast on TV1 the other day.
  It was a slow moving Train-Wreck.
  
  That chick that shagged an All Black to get famous looks bloody awkward and uncomfortable..
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:50pm
  - RF
    
    But but …. she’s paid for her wayward shagging days by drinking to erase the memory…..
    
    Now she has seen the error of her ways and is dry.
    
    That’s a good start…
    
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    February 11, 2018 8:02pm
- KKKKatee
  
  No.
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:07pm
Huevon

“In the West, we have been withdrawing from our tradition- religion- even nation-centred cultures, partly to decrease the danger of group conflict. But we are increasingly falling prey to the desperation of meaninglessness, and that is no improvement at all.”

Jordan Peterson, 12 Rules for Life.

I hate it when people say this about a book or documentary, but Peterson’s book really is a must-read.
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February 11, 2018 10:09am
- waikatogirl
  
  I agree Huevon, reading ’12 Rules for Life’. I keep quoting JP to hubby. I know a few people who should read it for their own good.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:55am
Inandout

Bob Jones on Radio Live now. He is waiting for the Maori film producer to sue him.
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February 11, 2018 10:12am
- Harkman
  
  Can somebody post a link to the entire Bob Jones article, I’ve only seen snippets of it.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:09am
  - backster
    
    Whaleoil yesterday I think.
    
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    February 11, 2018 11:17am
    - Harkman
      
      Cheers
      
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      February 11, 2018 1:16pm
  - Inandout
    
    I got the law suit wrong way around, Bob is suing the Maori ‘producer’ so should be interesting. She can’t hide on the blogs when a Judge is presiding.
    
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    February 11, 2018 2:30pm
- Longknives
  
  It’s only early February and already Bob Jones is hands down my ‘New Zealander of the Year’!
  
  I hope he has browsed some of the ‘Hate Speech’ comments directed toward him (and Pakeha in General) on that woman’s Facebook Page…
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:47pm
- KKKKatee
  
  It’s called “UTU” from Bob. What I’d like to know, however, is this – will Susan Devoy call out this racist Maori woman for her threatening language?
  No, thought not. We won’t hear a dicky bird……
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:09pm
- Piniwi
  
  Ha ha Inandout producer? She was quoted as being one of eight (8) directors on some movie no doubt made from taxpayer funding. Love those leftie labels. Lol
  
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  February 11, 2018 7:16pm
Humble Capitalist

How many will attend today’s protest about charter schools closure? Probably be able to throw a handkerchief over the group. Let’s face it the lefties are far better at getting a foaming at the mouth rent a crowd at short notice. Far better at chanting to kill politicians that they don’t like as well
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February 11, 2018 10:25am
- kowtow
  
  That’s right and because the MSM is leftist they get their “activism” across more readily .
  
  And when others do get the crowds , like the Pegida movement in Germany they are labelled ‘racist” , “far right’ , populist or xenophobic.
  
  One such well attended march in London was virtually ignored by the media. It might as well never have happened.
  
  “The newspapers, in contrast to the broadcast media, did cover the story, but in their own various predictable ways. The Independent despite focusing its coverage on a 10 minute section of the march where the FLA marchers walked passed a small group of self described ‘anti-racist’ counter protestors on Whitehall and some verbal abuse was exchanged appeared to struggle to find anything which it could use to smear thousands of patriotic working class marchers.”
  
  http://kippercentral.com/2017/10/09/70000-attend-football-lads-alliance-protest-terrorism-extremism-london-despite/
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:47am
- PhilP
  
  And the 6pm news will portray the march as having a “handful” of protesters . Nothing to see here, time to move on.
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:54pm
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Hello I’m Phillip Sherry and this is the propaganda at 6
    
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    February 11, 2018 4:46pm
- Piniwi
  
  But HC there will plenty of lost “souls” around as it seems the Poofs Parade has been cancelled because of the weather.
  You are right though about protest as so few real people know much about public protests or marching in the streets. We know there are better more effective methods to get results. This one might yet to be an easy one that turns into a spectacular own goal. Lol
  
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  February 11, 2018 7:25pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone else he Sir Bob Jones being interviewed on RadioLive about the call to have him stripped of his knighthood?
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February 11, 2018 10:37am
- Dave Mann
  
  I would like to have heard that…. but it’s not worth having the radio droning on all day with hours and hours of mindless dross and incessant ads just on case something interesting comes up.
  
  Radiolive used to have a ‘replay’ facility on their website, but since they deleted that and also got rid of Sean Plunkett I stopped listening to them.
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:48am
  - Harkman
    
    Lawsie and Plunkett were worth listening to but now the station gets a full three minutes per day from me.
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:20pm
Jack5

Would Dame Devoid – or anyone-else in the job of NZ Race Relations Commissioner – have stifled the five-year crusade to bring to an end the Rotherham paedophile devastation of more than a thousand young girls? (Had the horrific crimes occurred in NZ, of course.)

The question arose in my mind after watching the video, whose link I posted in General Debate very late last night after picking it up from Whale. The work of the digging newspaper,The Times, was at times damned as racist.

The crusade by The Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch, is one of the peaks of recent English-language journalism.

For those who aren’t night owls, again here’s the link to this great video talk:

https://youtu.be/O7P7ih1GuuQ
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February 11, 2018 10:47am
- Digmen1
  
  Why is it just Rotherham?
  
  Why do British people put up with it.
  There should be marches in the streets.
  
  Why do Swedsh and German women put up with the muslim rapists?
  
  I really can’t understand it.
  
  Long live Poland and Hungary, and Myanmar.
  And maybe soon Slovakia, Austria and Italy.
  
  Send them all back
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:07am
- Pharmachick
  
  That Rotherham business was just vile.
  
  Ty can even see how upset the journalist was, still.
  
  I remain hopelessly disappointed that none of the plod went down over that. Their actions were complicit at best.
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:41pm
SPLOOGE

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Dammit!
It cost me $202 to fill up the Audi this morning.
I blame nine years of mismanagement from National for this.
Time for a Tesla me thinks. At least then I’ll be able to use the T2 lanes legally.
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February 11, 2018 10:55am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Yeah right! What model is it and how much fuel does it take?
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:04am
  - SPLOOGE
    
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    A8 90+ litres
    OK now you imbecilic and moronic cock smoking arse wipe?
    Bahahaaaaa. Talk about being salty.
    
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    February 11, 2018 11:31am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Blame National for all your perceived problems if it makes you feel better.
      Idiot.
      
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      February 11, 2018 11:48am
    - Jack5
      
      Splooge, are you still living on your yacht?
      
      Wouldn’t you better with a Honda PCX 150 scooter? You could take it on board with you. And it would use bugger all petrol.
      
      Or you could get a jet ski and commute to work across Waitemata harbour.
      
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      February 11, 2018 12:15pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Never lived on the yacht. Never said I lived on the yacht.
        I live in a house.
        But hey, keep on making it up you butthurt loser.
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:05pm
      - Jack5
        
        Elaborating on Splooge’s comment at 1.05:
        
        Never lived on the yacht. Never said I lived on the yacht.
        
        Are you sure you don’t live on the yacht, Splooge? Even sometimes?
        
        Splooge in Kiwiblog 4.49pm March 10, 2015:
        
        … I do drive an Audi and keep my Yacht at Westhaven.
        
        Splooge in Kiwiblog 6.47pm March 10, 2015:
        
        Being a single man, a working professional in my 40s I do what ever I like, when ever I like and answer to very few. So if I want a yacht, I buy one, I was bored with the BM so I bought an Audi (V8).
        
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        February 11, 2018 3:44pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Absolutely sure about that.
        But nice of you to take time to hunt out my years old comments only to show that I was indeed correct and you are indeed wrong.
        Just how fucking salty are you?
        Talk about stupid.
        
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        February 11, 2018 4:36pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        How about an E-bike. // ?
        
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        February 11, 2018 5:21pm
      - stephieboy
        
        SPLOOGE,
        
        “ Talk about stupid etc ”
        
        Not a major obstacle or challenge for Jack 5
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:31pm
    - lofty
      
      What a charming individual.
      
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      February 11, 2018 12:26pm
      - Jack5
        
        Splooge posts from fantasy world, Lofty.
        
        Could even be from a cell or a secure ward.
        
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        February 11, 2018 12:29pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Actually Splooge, petrol has gone up about $0.20/litre since the election; just sayin’
      
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      February 11, 2018 12:32pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        And who’s fault is that?
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:06pm
      - MCos
        
        According to AA the price of 91 was $2.04.9 on 6-Sept & $2.12.9 on 12-Jan, the most recent date.
        That’s an increase of eight cents.
        
        AA needs to sort their shit out it seems.
        
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        February 11, 2018 2:05pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Why then has diesel gone up 35% in the same period of time?
        
        I used to have trouble getting $40 into my tank sometimes (to get the extra 6cpl discount) but that’s not a problem. Now it costs $50-55
        
        Diesel in October – 94.7cpl – now $1.32.9 (less the 6cpl discount)
        
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        February 11, 2018 7:27pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      You need an Audi SQ5, we get 11L/100 km
      
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      February 11, 2018 4:22pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        The A8 uses about 18 to 20l/100km around town\ with my heavy foot.
        
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        February 11, 2018 5:28pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Bugger that – fuel is there to be used – we should all have a V8 experience sometime in our lives.
        
        Plant it Splooge
        
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        February 11, 2018 7:22pm
- James Stephenson
  
  No chance I’ll ever be seen in one of those overhyped glammed-up milkfloats.
  
  When I got sick of the cost of filling up my Suby, I added one of Yamaha’s fine products to my garage. I get to use the T2 lane and even better, I get to ride the “ghost lane”.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:11am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    No taste, class or style.
    Besides, I doubt you could afford one.
    
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    February 11, 2018 11:48am
    - James Stephenson
      
      Doubt whatever you like, you big-noting cock.
      
      It’s obvious you have no clue about what constitutes taste, class or style, but hey, you’re an Audi driver so what else should we expect. Have you found the switch that turns on the little amber lights on the corners of your car yet?
      
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      February 11, 2018 1:01pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        No.
        Every time I try to use it the wipers come on so I stopped trying.
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:32pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      If you can afford an audi, why are you bitching about the cost of fuel!
      
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      February 11, 2018 5:24pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Just whipping up discontent and hatred towards myself.
        You right wing moronic imbeciles are so easy to work up and I revel in your pain.
        
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        February 11, 2018 5:30pm
  - Gabby
    
    Sure you do jimbo.
    
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    February 11, 2018 6:30pm
- stigie
  
  “It cost me $202 to fill up the Audi this morning.”
  
  Well get use to it bigboy, by the end of the year under your government, it will be $300 !~
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:12am
- cmm
  
  Ah yes, a Tesla…
  
  That only “works” because it has been filled up with USD37k of subsidies.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:15am
  - Pharmachick
    
    They are pretty though. Had a ride in one 2 weeks ago for the first time, quiet too 🙂
    
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    February 11, 2018 4:24pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      quiet too
      You must have left the wife at home
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:39pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        ???? I *am* the wife =D
        
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        February 12, 2018 3:25pm
Digmen1

As our population ages…
Less young ones watch tv or the news.
Also our new immigrants, Chinese, Indians, Phlipinos etc dont watch our tv.
They watch their own tv on the internet.

So mainstream tv’s market is shrinking by the year.
Plus the fact that many kiwis are put off by its kitchen and real estate and reality shows.
Plus all the left wing bias.
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February 11, 2018 11:03am
- Dave Mann
  
  Agree Digmen1. I never ever watch TV ‘live’; I record what I want to watch beforehand and TBH I don’t tend to watch any of my recordings every day, so often I have to delete stuff without having watched it to free up space.
  
  The stuff I end up watching is usually from Choice TV, which is often intelligent, well produced mindfood, compared to the utter dross that is constantly spewed out from TVNZ and that other failed operation that competes with them to capture the intellectually handicapped viewing market.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:30am
  - Jack5
    
    And Radio NZ is out to start another TV service funded by the poor bloody taxpayer.
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:35pm
Stars And Stripes

A question for Jacinda.
Before the election you stated you were going to “eradicate” poverty and eliminate homelessness in New Zealand.
After the election you considerably downscaled your promise and finally settled on “reducing” poverty and homelessness instead.
Well in the town where I reside in South Taranaki we had one tramp in residence before the election and we still have the same tramp in residence now post election.
So when are you going to do what the fuck you promised and remove his smelly useless ass and his assorted shit out of the towns doorways?.
We don’t need a conversation about it lady, instead some action on the ground would definitely convince me that you are not just a big bag of wind.
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February 11, 2018 11:06am
- Harkman
  
  Sounds far too complex for Cindy to answer.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:11am
  - Piniwi
    
    Well Harkman is somebody has a picture of him as a snooty nosed child it might get a little interested. Foe a short time only as the attention span is limited.
    
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    February 11, 2018 7:40pm
- backster
  
  Well her first action is to scrap Charter Schools and send those kids back to the scrapheep. Maybe that will lower the Poverty Median level.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:22am
  - Piniwi
    
    Yes backster they are going to dictate new “rules” for Statistics NZ as well as the RNNZ. You must have heard that famous line “the truth is what we say it is”.
    
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    February 11, 2018 7:43pm
- Digmen1
  
  She meant all the whanu with 6 children to different fathers.
  Down and outs are not included.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:33am
  - Piniwi
    
    Too late Digmen1 that was last week for the bro’s. They are far now and it is back to the “baby” again.
    
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    February 11, 2018 7:46pm
- MrTips
  
  No you misunderstood. She meant she would eliminate Poverty Bay, by changing its name. Brilliant eh?
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:42pm
- Piniwi
  
  Well S&S this bound to be one that gets shoved at your local body. It might be 7 or so years if we take example of the one on the Trafalgar St in Nelson. About 5-6 to get rid of his horse and cart an 7 to get rid of him.
  The final cost to the ratepayers is a secret like that secret 38 page agreement. Aka COL P&P Manual.
  
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  February 11, 2018 7:38pm
Digmen1

I liked that line of Obama’s when he said that when he married Michelle he was “marrying up”

I bet most of Gayfords friends are saying.
Hey great salary, but WTF

Now he knows what his cock got himself into.
Free trips to Waitangi each year.
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February 11, 2018 11:36am
- SPLOOGE
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  I recall the rabid right here yelling that Key’s family is off limits and yet here you are all having a go a the currents PM’s.
  What a bunch of hypocritical yellow bellied cowards you all are.
  But hey, if it makes you feel better about your miserable existence then carry on.
  I’m sure Jacinda is made of sterner stuff.
  
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  February 11, 2018 11:52am
  - Peter
    
    Like Max Key was left alone by the left? It’s not like Max was in the main procession at Waitangi, either, nor was he accompanying John in interview after interview.
    
    The Jas’ n’ Clark media front appears to be all about “the first couple”, so…
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:01pm
    - Longknives
      
      Max Key was attacked regularly by the Left for his You Tube and Twitter posts etc
      Funnily enough I never saw anything from Max quite as revolting as Clark Gayford’s bragging about his ‘Hundreds’ of Sexual Conquests…
      I guess it’s okay when the Left do it?
      
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      February 11, 2018 12:10pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      No reason to sink to their level.
      
      Additionally, neither Clarke Gayford nor the unborn baby have been quite so deliberately and knowingly provocative in the media as was Max Key (which STILL didn’t make it okay to go after Max either).
      
      Give it a rest with ad hominem attacks on families aye?
      
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      February 11, 2018 4:02pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      And we must never forget, either, that Jacinda’s favourite band wrote threatening songs re Steffi Key – you know like saying they’d rape her……..
      I’m left wondering how Steffi Key felt about that and, also, how did her parents cope with such nasty threats against their daughter?
      The PM should be very careful who she hitches her wagon to as far as blokes threatening rape…..
      
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      February 11, 2018 6:15pm
  - stigie
    
    Splurge making up shit like that interview with Jordan Peterson where Kathy Newman got hammered.
    Im sure Splurge could out do her for making shit up !~
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:30pm
    - Happychappy
      
      stigie have you ever noticed when muttonhead happens to post on kiwiblog that SPLOOGE seems to appear when muttonhead retreats. Two idiots with the same MO.
      
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      February 11, 2018 1:38pm
  - cmm
    
    Sorry mate, Gayford jumped into the political game talking shit about Cindy being bad at sorting the laundry etc.
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:54pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Max Key never inserted himself into the political debate Splooge. When Gayford started tweeting or doing newspaper interviews defending his partner, he bought into the argument.
    
    Generally, I don’t like the families of our MP’s to become part of the debate. But when they put themselves front and centre as Gayford has done and as Peter Davis did writing letters to the editor defending Helen Clark, then they are bound to cop a response.
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:01pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Max Key is an entitled little fuckwad….much like his arrogant arsehole father.
      And yes Max very much put himself out into the public eye.
      At least his talent less sister has the good sense to get as far away from that dysfunctional family as she could.
      
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      February 11, 2018 1:10pm
      - stigie
        
        Was your home town Twatsville..?
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:15pm
      - Peter
        
        I’m not sure the rest of the Key family inserted themselves into the political debate, Splooge.
        
        They just carried on with their own lives and were attacked for it – by the caring left.
        
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        February 11, 2018 1:25pm
      - Dave_1924
        
        Brain hitting toilet pan AGAIN… Splooooooooggggeee
        
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        February 11, 2018 3:33pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Yes, agreed… to an extent. I’d rather see ALL families left alone and not collateral damage though. Most especially that baby will need protection – I’m thinking something similar to the agreement made for William and Harry should be discussed.
      
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      February 11, 2018 4:04pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Are you completely nuts Pharmachick? This twat Gayford has sought out the limelight from day one. If you can’t stand the heat keep out of the kitchen. All your sanctimonious “”I’d rather see all families left alone” simply doesn’t cut it. He has boasted of his sexual conquests all over the media, boasted he had a threesome, told of how he tried to get at least two other women pregnant. He is not deserving of any respect and Jacinda has shown herself up to be a very poor judge of character. It is a shame she will end up a solo parent but you make your bed, eh?
        
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        February 11, 2018 5:53pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        lifesgood: who made you the arbiter of publicly acceptable behavior?
        
        People like you, digging up random comments from [potentially] years ago, and applying them to the current situation are part of the problem. Mr. Gayford is now, whether he likes it or not (and YOU *do not* know what his position on this is) a public figure, by association. That doesn’t mean you should be trawling every indiscretion and childish thing he said years ago. SHAME ON YOU!
        
        Call me sanctimonious all you like. I call you a total wanker, if all you want to do is smear a person because they are the partner of a politician you disagree with.
        
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        February 11, 2018 6:08pm
      - KiWombat
        
        This baby is being used as a tool by the government.
        
        Cindy was less than honest when asked (post election but pre COL) about her intentions to raise a family. For Christ’s sake – she was pregnant at that time !!
        
        But she chose to conceal that truth until such time as she could make best political mileage out of it.
        
        So expect more of the same – expect photoshoots of “happy families” and “first steps” “first teeth” and the like – they will all be released to maximum political advantage, to think otherwise is naive.
        
        Reality check – this child has been DESIGNED to be the saviour of this government – they will use/milk it for all it is worth.
        
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        February 11, 2018 7:40pm
  - smttc
    
    Once again, maybe you could tell him to get out of the limelight.
    
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    February 11, 2018 4:07pm
- cmm
  
  He thought woohoo! $500k a year, missus busy most of the time.
  
  Sounds like a new boat and lots of boy’s toys. Lots of free time for fishing and diving.
  
  That’s now buggered for a few years.
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:52pm
SPLOOGE

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
So bitter and twisted.
Are you still sooking because National lost the election they ‘deserved’ to win?
Bahahaaaaaa. Grow up child.
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February 11, 2018 11:38am
Viking2

Bishop and Peters both deflected questions about New Zealand’s decision when asked on Saturday – Ardern is due in Sydney in March and both suggested there would be no substantive discussions till then.

NZ First, Labour and the Greens all opposed the deployment in Opposition. But in response to questions about their respective positions Peters said people needed to keep an open mind.
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/101330940/winstons-dinner-table-diplomacy-an-effort-to-put-warmth-back-in-the-transtasman-relationship

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another Uturn by all 3 COL.
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February 11, 2018 11:45am
sooty

Secert Cindy. Says it all from been up the duff, when she took over from Angry, to today.
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February 11, 2018 11:48am
- emmess
  
  Yeah, for the last few decades at least governments across the western world were all about becoming more open and transparent. Apparently, that is not good enough for her.
  
  Jacinda Ardern on keeping pregnancy a secret:
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11992023
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:15pm
- Longknives
  
  Does anyone else wish she would just shut the fuck up about her bloody Pregnancy??
  
  Considering this is the woman who was shrieking ‘My womb is my business’ etc etc during the Election she seems to speak of nothing bloody else now..
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:24pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Yes. Particularly because once the baby is born, a certain level of privacy for the child will be needed. If the media feels entitled to the child because of excessive pre-birth publicity, it won’t go well for the baby in the long run.
    
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    February 11, 2018 4:20pm
    - RF
      
      “New Zealand will help us raise our child.”
      
      Quote from Ardern who will be milking it for all its worth….
      
      So much for privacy.
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:22pm
Jack5

More revelations and allegations about sexual hijinks in the staffs of international trade organisations – this time Save the Children as well as Oxfam:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5376593/Jo-Coxs-husband-grope-claim.html

AND

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5375157/Oxfam-covered-sacked-workers-past-new-employer.html
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February 11, 2018 12:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack 5 , it would seem Church Youth Camps in the USA have a similar problem ,
  
  https://www.acacamps.org/resource-library/articles/child-sexual-abuse-liability-issues-revisited
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:47pm
  - Inandout
    
    From stephie’s beloved Guardian:
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/apr/25/middle-east-child-abuse-pederasty
    
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    February 11, 2018 2:26pm
EAD_TWO

They just can’t help themselves can they?

https://forward.com/scribe/393778/the-first-story-in-the-bible-was-the-first-case-of-metoo/

The Jewish Daily Forward has sunk to an all time low in accusing God of sexually harassing Eve. They claim this is the original #metoo.

This is beyond Talmudic.
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February 11, 2018 12:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO as you appear to believe that all Jews are sub human ( Untermeschen ) does it really matter ?
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:43pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Why the downticks?
  
  Do people not like the fact I refer to the publication by its trade name?
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Forward
  
  “The Forward (Yiddish: פֿאָרווערטס‎; Forverts), formerly known as The Jewish Daily Forward,[2] is an American magazine published monthly in New York City for a Jewish-American audience. The organization publishes two magazines, The Forward in English and Yiddish Forward or Forverts in Yiddish; and websites updated daily in both languages via a pay model.”
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:44pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Why the downticks?
    
    Probably it’s nothing more than people knowing you take downticks so seriously EAD that they do it just to get under your skin.
    
    Then again, it could be that your Holocaust denial upsets people.
    
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    February 11, 2018 6:00pm
Manolo

The barbarians celebrate:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hezbollah-downing-of-israeli-f-16-the-start-of-a-new-strategic-era/

Hezbollah hailed Syria’s air defenses after they reportedly downed an Israeli fighter jet on Saturday, saying it marked the start of a “new strategic era.”

“This is the beginning of a new strategic era which puts an end to the violation of Syrian airspace and territory,” the Lebanese terror group said in a statement published by Lebanon’s ANI news agency.
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February 11, 2018 12:25pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  @ Manolo,
  
  Why are Israel bombing the people trying to fight ISIS in the first place?
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:47pm
- Gabby
  
  Surely they didn’t shoot down a sacred jet manuto. Where is it thus writ?
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:18pm
billr

I got this video through another feed.

Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper and Former CIA Director John Brennan sit down with Director/Actor/Activist Rob Reiner for a candid conversation about what Russia did during the 2016 election and why they are concerned by what they are seeing now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPT67XxDEeA

makes for interesting viewing.
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February 11, 2018 12:32pm
Jack5

Kiwiblog is buzzing. Midday and there are already 260 posts in the General Debate thread.

Must be stimulation from electricity in the subtropical front bringing rain across the country.

Mama Stephie better keep the Stephiestani boys in the house today.
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February 11, 2018 12:33pm
- Longknives
  
  Kiwiblog is certainly the place to be!
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:41pm
  - stigie
    
    And if Johnboy came on to lighten things up, we could reach 600 !~
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:20pm
- Nermal
  
  Don’t confuse quantity with quality
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:09pm
- Viking2
  
  Its pissing down. what else to do?
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:43pm
  - MCos
    
    Put on a Leonard Cohen record to get in the mood and prepare a submission in support of that bill allowing assisted suicide . . . . .
    
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    February 11, 2018 3:16pm
- Piniwi
  
  Yes Jack5 with thanks to DPF even a wet Sunday can have plenty of sunshine and highlights. Majority content today has been A1 and again the ADT is working a treat on the trolls with a new addition of MH.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:40pm
skyblue

Hope it keeps pissing down in Auckland. Fun to see ‘blokes’ with running mascara at Big Queer Day Out.
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February 11, 2018 12:34pm
- Manolo
  
  Will the educated population of Mt Roskill be in attendance offering ‘moral’ support?
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:44pm
  - skyblue
    
    Hope so. Nothing like a fight between queers and Muslims. Handbags vs machetes.
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:49pm
  - kowtow
    
    Will the media act as self censors and not report or show the smuttier , kinkier stuff being strutted about .
    
    All good family fun and normal you see.
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:33pm
- stephieboy
  
  sky-blue , all ” faggots “worth a stoning or thrown from the Sky Tower ?
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:49pm
  - Jack5
    
    Mrs Stephie: Just keep the Stephie boys inside, until the subtropical front passes.
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:50pm
  - Manolo
    
    That is exactly what people of your ~~religion~~
    barbaric cult do with gays, isn’t it?
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:51pm
  - skyblue
    
    Only you sweetheart.
    
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    February 11, 2018 12:53pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  They cancelled the homo show. Har fucking har.
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:24pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Who cares if they’re gay, queer, lesbian, trans etc.
  
  Whatever.
  
  In theory, the [political] right should be great friends of the LGBTQ community – they tend to be net tax payers and higher net-worth individuals than average or median levels in the citizenry. Also, lower crime rates across the board (although admittedly higher drug-related offenses, and in those countries that still have outdated e.g. sodomy laws; higher conviction rates based on that).
  
  It used to be called the “Pink Dollar” by the economists (but that was back in the late 90s, so probably banned or had a name change now).
  
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  February 11, 2018 4:14pm
Monique Watson

It’s a fucking Bloodbath. The Markets that is.
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February 11, 2018 12:44pm
- Manolo
  
  Do not despair, dear Monique. We have seen worse.
  
  The fundamentals are sound, so the upward trend will return. Patience is a investor’s virtue.
  
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  February 11, 2018 12:53pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo , from a paranoid Birther Conspiracist and Islamaphobic who should know .
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:18pm
- GazzaW
  
  It’s a great time to buy some carefully selected blue chip stocks at a discount Monique. The fundamentals are all pretty good.
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:19pm
  - waripori
    
    The fundamentals are a long way from good in the US. The stock market rose in the expectation of corporate tax cuts as the additional free cash flow will find its way into dividends and share buy backs. The focus now is on the bond market. The catalyst for the sell off was probably the 400 billion spending package as well as the increase in incomes . Coupled with the tax cuts there is now a requirement for new debt issuance of 1.5 trillion in each of the next two years.The ten year yield has risen about 50% from its lows and there is concern about who is going to buy that debt and what yield they will demand, especially as the Fed reduces its balance sheet.We could easily see 4% on the ten year within 12 months. That will cause big losses on bond portfolios as well as big increases in interest rates and further declines in US stocks.
    
    There was some squaring of positions late on Friday but the medium term trend is more likely to be down than up.
    
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    February 11, 2018 2:07pm
  - lofty
    
    Yip that’s the way I see it too Gazza.
    There is opportunity in every dark corner, you just need a torch.
    
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    February 11, 2018 2:28pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    Yup! 🙂
    
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    February 11, 2018 4:41pm
  - KevOB
    
    It’s a casino and you don’t know who is betting or how! If you have money owing for shares or have a margined position watch out: your broker may sell you out without warning. The house is a player also but you will never prove that they took advantage.
    
    Value is completely ignored. It’s all about money movement and attempting to bet on that. This cannot continue as amongst others it does not reward savers so pension funds and insurance companies cannot provide nor can those needing the income for their survival. The fundamentals of economics have been temporarily suspended.
    
    Also the historical relationships about the yield gap can only be thwarted by BIG players piling in money to enhance their own games. Ultimately the yield on long term government bonds and the dividend yield on an index like the S&P will be become equal. Why should more risky shares have a lesser return than govt. securities when the market is at the bottom?
    Value has historically been measured by the earnings generated from assets and shows up in the PE ratio or its inverse the EY. These are out or order at present. Only a hardened “trader” should be in this “market”. The game may continue for sometime yet but indications are sufficient people have borrowed on the “strength” of the market to be at risk and are becoming less able to continue that way. Now the FED is wanting some of its money back that is putting pressure on.
    
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    February 11, 2018 4:41pm
- Pharmachick
  
  More like a correction, and one that is MILES short of 1987.
  
  I get that your 401K is likely hurting, but if you’re in good funds (and you SHOULD check what they’ve been up to and what they do in the next few weeks in terms of rebalancing), the good managers will pick up quality sticks low, so that when the markets come up again (but not massively bull like it was from mid-2016 to now, which was bubble-like) … the good managed funds will rise along with their solid acquisitions. I have a lot of skin in this market as a majority of my retirement savings are, likewise; invested in the market.
  
  Also as Manolo said, the fundamentals are good (altho, I am *slightly* worried about the bond yields rising so sharply – bodes badly for interest-rate rises, and I have a big mortgage!)
  
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  February 11, 2018 4:39pm
Monique Watson

I was bitching to a friend yesterday. She lost $750,000. I was like, ” Yeah I just dumped a cool 3 mill”. Talk about first world problems.
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February 11, 2018 1:00pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Tell us how you made your pile in the first place to have so much to dump instead of skiting about it.
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:26pm
stephieboy

A BRIEF HISTORY OF TRUMP’S ALLIES CALLING HIM AN IDIOT
Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah joins a growing club.

If Michael Wolff is to be believed, “100 percent of the people around” Donald Trump don’t think he’s fit for office. “They all say he is like a child . . . it’s all about him,” Wolff said during an interview in early January, adding, “They say he’s a moron, an idiot.” In the past week, the whisperings gathered by Wolff seem to have been confirmed, or at least validated, by a handful of leaked comments by Trump staffers from before they joined the White House. The most recent: a New York report published Monday detailing a series of messages sent by White House Principal Deputy Press Secretary Raj Shah while he was still working for the Republican National Committee.

In the messages, Shah reportedly called Trump a “deplorable” and celebrated the release of the Access Hollywood tape as “some justice.” The White House defended Shah as a “talented operative and skilled communicator” who had already disclosed the messages, and Shah himself appeared on Fox Business to say that Trump had eventually “won [him] over.” But by then, Shah had joined the ranks of a list that’s likely to grow over time—as one White House adviser told New York’s Olivia Nuzzi, “You hear them say things like, I’m serving the country .. . ”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/trump-staffers-who-call-trump-an-idiot
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February 11, 2018 1:18pm
- cmm
  
  Quoting Michael Woolf? Why not read us a bedtime story about unicorns?
  
  Already discounted from $30 to $17 on Amazon. You can save it and Clinton’s book from re-pulping for $35.
  
  stephie mate your research skills are better than that. You’re letting yourself down.
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:43pm
  - Harkman
    
    “Quoting Michael Woolf? Why not read us a bedtime story about unicorns?” ?
    
    Unicorns, fairies, dragons, dancing gnomes, elves, sasquatch or the Loch Ness monster, even Martians. ?
    
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    February 11, 2018 4:48pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/101336224/seven-die-in-deadly-weekend-on-the-roads
You have to suspect that folk spending far too much time looking at their speedo’s to make sure they aint exceeding the limit by more than five k’s instead of watching the continuously developing high speed situation around them has to be a contributing factor.
I wonder what’s made people that stupid? 🙂
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February 11, 2018 1:25pm
- kowtow
  
  I reckon it’s their telephones.
  
  Also we live in a society that has become accustomed to being looked after, so idiots get into their cars , arguably the most dangerous thing that most people in today’s society will do , and they won’t pay the due care and attention to what that activity demands of them.
  
  Just observe how many people will cross a road while looking at their phones ,without keeping an eye on their surroundings.
  
  What worries me is these idiots get a vote ,and help to decide how much the gummint rips me off for.
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:44pm
  - MCos
    
    Polling shows that 65% of those killed while their attention was diverted by their phone were looking at Kiwiblog.
    
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    February 11, 2018 2:41pm
  - Viking2
    
    those ones won’t anymore.
    
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    February 11, 2018 2:46pm
  - MCos
    
    If you look at page 5 of this report there is a table that shows pedestrian deaths & injuries from 1990 up to 2016 are no worse than usual and a lot better than some years.
    http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/pedestrians-2017.pdf
    
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    February 11, 2018 2:52pm
- Happychappy
  
  It shows that Labour and the Greens magic wand is not working as they were going to reduce the fatals. It is always easy in opposition to promise but lot harder to deliver.
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:46pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Nothing that more cycleways won’t cure do you think? 🙂
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:50pm
    - MCos
      
      Cycling is far more dangerous than riding in a car, but way behind motorbikes.
      Refer to this report
      http://www.transport.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/Research/Documents/pedestrians-2017.pdf
      
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      February 11, 2018 2:56pm
- cmm
  
  Anything but platitudes from Mz Genter?
  
  Of course I don’t expect any actual change in the numbers yet, but they’ve had years to make plans.
  
  Surely they should have at least one or two practical plans worth trying? Or are they just full of shit?
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:48pm
- Piniwi
  
  But Johnboy so many overlook how much quieter modern cars are inside thanks to many advances and improvements. While sound systems have also advanced to reproduce remarkable music at higher levels. It is so much easier to loose complete touch with how fast the vehicle is going. Add to that that more people just cannot NEVER NOT react to their mobile devices when the make a sound.
  Sadly for some it becomes the last sound they ever hear. But JAG will sort all that out soon. Yeah right.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:52pm
Fletch

Good news – the Big Gay Out has been cancelled due to the rain.
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February 11, 2018 1:37pm
- Longknives
  
  Is the Fisting Comp still on?
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:41pm
  - MrTips
    
    Please, I’m trying to eat lunch here………
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:45pm
    - Longknives
      
      Never mind Mr Tips- I’m sure those ‘Rainbow Community’ blokes could provide you with a Hot Lunch if you do decide to attend..
      
      *I’m sorry I went there..
      
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      February 11, 2018 2:50pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    The IRD rest for no one.
    
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    February 11, 2018 2:10pm
- nasska
  
  Bloody pansies. Since when does the odd shower of rain come between a man & a good fisting! 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:43pm
  - Johnboy
    
    An anal fistula is nothing to be light hearted about nasska. 🙂
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:47pm
- Johnboy
  
  Fair enough. We wouldn’t want Grant to get any wetter! 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:44pm
- cmm
  
  It would have saved 50% in lube costs.
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:49pm
  - skyblue
    
    Water the best lubricunt.
    
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    February 11, 2018 2:08pm
- Kimbo
  
  Good news – the Big Gay Out has been cancelled due to the rain.
  
  So the takeaway is, the rain falls on both the just and the unjust? 😉
  
  http://metro.co.uk/2017/09/06/pope-forced-to-change-flight-path-to-avoid-hurricane-irma-6907334/
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:52pm
- skyblue
  
  Poofs. A bit of rain and the manly mascara wearers call it off. Kiwifist @ Stiffieboys now.
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:59pm
  - lilman
    
    I thought they could have been a bit harder.
    
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    February 11, 2018 8:22pm
- Inandout
  
  The ANZ Bank will be so unhappy.
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:20pm
Chuck Bird

I see the homo parade has been canceled. What a bummer.
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February 11, 2018 1:42pm
- nasska
  
  Do you have a Plan B for the afternoon Chuck? 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:44pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I’ve got a couple of Ram’s that need sorting out nasska. 🙂
    
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    February 11, 2018 1:48pm
Fletch

I see that the cancellation of the big gay out was announced by Jacinda on her Facebook. What it’s got to do with her, I don’t know. Maybe she was looking forward to the media buzz around her being there.
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February 11, 2018 1:49pm
- cmm
  
  I don’t know what’s more disturbing:
  
  Our PM is announcing Big Day Out changes.
  
  Fletch has Cindy hooked up to his Facebook feed.
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:51pm
  - Fletch
    
    LOL, I don’t. I was just mentioning what One News reported on it’s Facebook feed.
    
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    February 11, 2018 7:15pm
- nasska
  
  Clarke was probably looking forward to taking a walk in Cindy’s underwear. 🙂
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/10/first-slut-shaming-now-cross-dressing-meet-clarke-gayford/
  
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  February 11, 2018 1:53pm
- Digmen1
  
  Well at least she’s taken a day of running the country.
  Oops I mean ruining the country
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , the wrath of the Lord of hosts visited upon the big gay out ?
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:49pm
Johnboy

JK might pop in to take her place perhaps? 🙂
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February 11, 2018 1:52pm
Huevon

I agree. My impression is that Gayford is an attention seeker and generally bit of an arrogant prick.

He obviously blew it with that other chick (strayed is my guess), who is way hotter than Ardern. But he can’t stay away from the spotlight so sweet talked his way into Jacinda. I bet he seemed so understanding about the pressures of being a public figure blah blah. She doesn’t strike me as being very savvy with the blokes.

My money is on him bolting in a year or two but hope not for the kid’s sake. It could also make Jacinda crack, which wouldn’t be good for the country.

His own fault for living in the public eye, so he is fair game for comments about his relationships.
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February 11, 2018 1:53pm
- KiWombat
  
  He might do a bunk when the paternity test comes through !!
  
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  February 11, 2018 5:41pm
- Piniwi
  
  Ask the ladies Huevon about the chances of them getting up in the middle of the night to squeeze out some almond milk? Pay to be taking a step back as it is asked.
  This to many will indicate the shaky nature of their relationship. After the 6 weeks settling in leave this self stated womaniser will be left alone for long periods. We have to wonder about when not if he jumps the fence. We must also wonder if was his line when the Commie Chick said about her political future. “I’m here for a good time, not a long time.”
  “Does the PM stand by all her statements? If so how?”
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:00pm
kowtow

Mr Tips

‘Retired Hong Kong Cardinal Joseph Zen has hit out at a proposed deal between the Vatican and Beijing, describing it as “evil” agreement.

Reports had said that Vatican was moving towards a pact with Beijing, ending years of stand-off, which would give the Chinese government a say in the appointment of future bishops on the mainland.’

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking-news.php?id=102860&sid=4
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February 11, 2018 1:54pm
- Kimbo
  
  So, a concordat like this:
  
  http://archelaos.com/popes/imgx/Pius_XI_16.jpg
  
  …and this:
  
  https://1phil4everyill.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/concordat.jpg?w=592&h=382
  
  …and this:
  
  https://destinorepublicano.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/franco-y-obispo-enrique-pla-y-deniel-en-1954-palacio-real-madrid.jpg?w=584
  
  …and this:
  
  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/NDH_-_salute.jpg/270px-NDH_-_salute.jpg
  
  Not that Protestants were immune from supporting fascist dictators too.
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:00pm
- Johnboy
  
  Since gay ministers are now acceptable I see no reason at all why communist cardinals should be discriminated against! 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:01pm
  - Kimbo
    
    “No, no, no! The archbishop of Paris must at least believe in God!” (Louis XVI’s response when one particularly grievous candidate was proposed to fill the vacant See). 😉
    
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    February 11, 2018 2:06pm
  - stigie
    
    Who has more rights, a gay bishop or a gay cardinal..?
    Could be debatable where altar boys are concerned !~
    
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    February 11, 2018 2:17pm
    - nasska
      
      Priest hole is the term given to hiding places for priests built into many of the principal Catholic houses of England during the period when Catholics were persecuted by law in England, from the beginning of the reign of Queen Elizabeth I in 1558.
      
      Choir boys will tell you it means something completely different now.
      
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      February 11, 2018 2:33pm
rightoverlabour

Interesting that the Catholic Bishops have asked their members to write to the select Committee against the Euthanasia Bill. Maybe they should have offered some advice before the election as Jacindarella made it quite clear she was supporting policies that most Catholics would be at odds with. I have real concerns that this bunch of Muppets running the show are going to produce a Bill that is watertight around abuse. Legalising murder is always very complicated.
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February 11, 2018 1:58pm
- Johnboy
  
  The nasty little Winston creature murdered democracy in September so the precedent has already been set! 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:04pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    And I received my first strike suggesting what should happen to those who destroy democracy…..
    
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    February 11, 2018 3:17pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101336399/dhbs-given-no-direction-or-funding-headsup-from-government-national-says
Oh look….The committee’s still to be created that’s going to sort it out..David Clark…!!! 🙂
Meanwhile lovely Jacinda’s going to have a beautiful little Gaylord….who says the COL can’t deliver on healthcare….!!! 🙂
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February 11, 2018 2:21pm
Johnboy

Who promotes these fuckers to write this shit?
Traitors to NZ they are! The bastards should be culled out, marinated and sauteed over a low flame! 🙂

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/101276882/budget-buster-good-riddance-to-meat-bring-on-the-vegetarian-revolution
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February 11, 2018 2:33pm
- Harriet
  
  “……Who promotes these fuckers to write this shit?
  Traitors to NZ they are…..”
  
  It tells you here:
  
  https://www.xyz.net.au/fairfax-is-stuffed/
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:17pm
- KevOB
  
  I had left over cold corned beef and weetbix.,separately, for breakfast. A fried “ham steak” with cooked tinned tomatoes and fried old potato for lunch. For dinner a meat portion awaits. I’m thriving. Diet food too and proven healthy. 5+ cups of coffee a day with milk but no sugar helps.
  
  Even water in excess is fatal.
  
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  February 11, 2018 4:04pm
- KevOB
  
  And they want to remove meat to help their carbon footprint! Daft!
  
  With brains of that calibre what fitness for purpose do they have?
  
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  February 11, 2018 4:15pm
Viking2

Bloody persisting down.
23 degrees and 100# humidity.
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February 11, 2018 2:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

World’s first Anglican female Archbishop has just been installed.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-10/first-female-archbishop-kay-goldsworthy-sworn-in/9419084

(Installed?….. sounds like a work of art)
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February 11, 2018 2:41pm
- Johnboy
  
  Sounds more like a home appliance really! 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 2:44pm
- Kimbo
  
  Let’s hope she does a better job than Penny Jamieson, the world’s first woman Anglican bishop, who seemed to do endless world victory laps proclaiming the achievement…while matters went awry in her own diocese in Dunedin
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penny_Jamieson
  
  Not sure where I stand on the matter of women clergy, but I do know if a woman seeks to be ordained because she is a women/it is a blow for feminism, then I’d run a mile. A shepherd with an agenda like that ahead of serving a flock? No way. Have had enough bad male pastors with agendas, thank you very much…
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:01pm
  - Johnboy
    
    You must admit though Kimbo that The Vicar of Dibley was bloody good…yes…yes..yes….no? 🙂
    
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    February 11, 2018 3:05pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Having served on a couple of Anglican vestries, and to paraphrase Margaret Thatcher’s thoughts on ‘Yes (Prime) Minister’, I can but observe ‘The Vicar of Dibley’ was not so much a comedy as a documentary! 😉
      
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      February 11, 2018 3:10pm
      - Longknives
        
        The Bishop of Bath and Wells!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBhTIoIXoTI
        
        “I am a colossal pervert..No form of sexual depravity is too low for me”
        
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        February 11, 2018 3:23pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Longknives.
        
        When I was a theology student I once had a mate who gained an essay pass on the state of the late medieval church, whose main research source was this episode of Blackadder:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AMMA7WSBPo
        
        Percy: Well, you won’t be able to fool everyone. Look [Taking a red cloth from his sleeve] I have here a true relic.
        Edmund: What is it?
        Percy: [Unwraps the cloth] It is a bone from the finger of our Lord. It cost me 31 pieces of silver.
        Edmund: Good Lord. Is it real?
        Percy: It is, My Lord. Baldrick, you stand amazed.
        Baldrick: I am — I thought they only came in boxes of ten. [He opens a box of finger bones]
        Percy: What?!
        
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        February 11, 2018 5:43pm
      - Longknives
        
        “You fiend! Never have I encountered such corrupt and foul-minded Perversity! Have you ever considered a career in the Church?”
        
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        February 11, 2018 5:52pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Is the word not “enthroned” rather than “installed”?
  
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  February 11, 2018 10:55pm
Manolo

An obedient and pliable MSM, mere putty in the hands of Obama:
http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/08/how-the-media-buried-two-huge-fbi-stories-yesterday

For more than a year and a half, the media have gone all-in on reporting every possible angle of President Donald Trump’s alleged collusion with Russia. No story update has been too small, no encounter with a Russian too inconsequential, and no anonymous source too sketchy to generate outsize coverage and histrionic claims from major media.

But as the Russian collusion story disintegrates, another interesting story ascends. Investigations by multiple congressional committees as well as an investigation by the inspector general of the Department of Justice have shown irregularities in the handling of the most politically sensitive probes in recent memory: the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s mishandling of classified information while secretary of State and the investigation into the Trump campaign’s alleged nefarious ties with Russia to meddle in a U.S. election.
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February 11, 2018 3:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Yayhoooooo

I can discard my abaya
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43017148

(@Johnboy….. I will dress modestly)
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/DE137E/england-kent-rochester-annual-dickens-festival-lady-dressed-as-miss-DE137E.jpg
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February 11, 2018 3:09pm
- Johnboy
  
  As long as you have a g-string and quick release bra under it I will be happy Maggy! 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:12pm
- Longknives
  
  I just don’t understand Muslims.
  If you have a pretty wife (which I do by the way) why would you want to cover her in a bloody black Garbage sack??
  *And I just don’t buy this Leftist crap about how it is somehow ‘Empowering’ to Women to dress in a bin liner so nobody can see you…
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:17pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Seeing my wife’s less beautiful than your’s Longknives do you think I should seriously consider Islam? 🙂
    
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    February 11, 2018 3:43pm
    - Longknives
      
      Islam… Or maybe half a bottle of Jack Daniels?..
      Either should help Johnboy!
      
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      February 11, 2018 3:53pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I assume your wife, like my husband, is unaware of your KB contributions.
      
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      February 11, 2018 4:31pm
      - Manolo
        
        Sono sbalordito, cara Maggy. E’ vero che lui non sappia?
        
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        February 11, 2018 4:37pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        His mind is on a higher plane
        https://www.sigidwiki.com/wiki/FSQ
        
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        February 11, 2018 6:35pm
      - nasska
        
        Please Maggy. Explain to this simple, poorly educated retired cocky what the hell “Fast Simple QSO ” does!
        
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        February 11, 2018 7:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @ nasska
        
        It’s a polite form of KB on the ether.
        http://wb9kmw.com/WB9KMW/FSQ/FSQ_configuration.pdf
        
        (or is that what he wants me to think?)
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:09pm
      - nasska
        
        Dear God! It’s gibberish.
        
        Even KB GD with splooge, gabby, flipper & stephieboy makes more sense. 🙂
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:25pm
  - Kimbo
    
    I just don’t understand Muslims.
    If you have a pretty wife (which I do by the way) why would you want to cover her in a bloody black Garbage sack??
    
    Simple. The religion is so self-admittedly deficient in inculcating male sexual self-control, a Muslim knows that given the opportunity, his Muslim neighbours are likely thinking the same lewd thoughts about his wife and how to bring them to fruition, that he is thinking about theirs. 😉 Is like communism – it doesn’t “work” unless all the external conditions are perfectly implemented. Hence fundamentalist sharia is a sign of Islam’s weakness, not its strength.
    
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    February 11, 2018 6:42pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Funny L but they had a guy finding his woman enclosed in a black bin-liner and he jumped when she stood up.
    
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    February 11, 2018 9:09pm
  - Digmen1
    
    So that other guys wont get to see her beauty and her face, and her legs and want to rape her in the street.
    
    I like the bin liner one liner.
    
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    February 11, 2018 10:02pm
Monique Watson

How did I make my pile? A bit of property. And learning how to deal with every kind of scum that walks this earth.
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February 11, 2018 3:15pm
- Johnboy
  
  Owned your own brothel by the sound of it Monique…no wonder you’re rich! 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:17pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Made a pile? Great news high roller! You can afford to pay your student loan back.
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:18pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Ahhhh, makes sense now – you bought from the bottom after 2006-2008 in the US housing market and bought in places you knew would rebound. Meanwhile rented out as best you could, and use the US tenancy laws (very good for the landlord when tenants are scum) to get rid of the w**k**s in a way that Kiwi landlords cannot because: tenancy tribunal.
  
  Meanwhile housing in the US has rebounded since ~2010/2011 so your investments are paying off (and the tenants paid the carrying costs).
  
  Meanwhile, real income was placed into tax-sheltered investments such as 401K or simple investment income (max = 15% tax rate), a bit like Warren Buffet, all of who’s income is from investments – so max 15% rate of tax!
  
  How am I doing? (and FWIW GOOD ON YOU)
  
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  February 11, 2018 4:55pm
rightoverlabour

I love this….

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018/02/10/democrats-ought-to-worry-about-midterm-elections.html

” With a 17-year high in consumer confidence, 17-year low in unemployment (along with the lowest African-American unemployment rate since measurements began in 1972), a 17-year low in illegal border crossings, the fastest return of manufacturing jobs in 13 years, and so much more, American voters are taking note. Democrats have a tough challenge to find something concrete upon which to critique this president, other than simply his brash style”

Yup, Trump is useless, based on the above stats

MAGA (Make Aotearoa Great Again)
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February 11, 2018 3:27pm
- Digmen1
  
  I prefer MNZGAG
  Where is Aotearoa?
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:36pm
- Digmen1
  
  I hope the South Koreans take fat boy’s sister and her entourage on a tour of Seoul.
  Show the the happy people, full shops, tvs, cars, phones, restaurants, fashion shops, some factories.
  
  That will give them a wake up call
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:40pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    They will be well aware of Seoul’s bright lights.
    
    They aren’t the workers in the field.
    
    Kim Yo-Jong received part of her education in Switzerland.
    Like her older brothers, Kim Yo Jong attended school in Bern, the Swiss capital. She attended the Liebefeld-Steinhölzli public school, the same school as Kim Jong Un, for several years and lived in a modest apartment nearby.
    
    It is possible she attended a western university.
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/917086/kim-jong-un-sister-winter-olympics-2018-who-is-kim-yo-jong
    
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    February 11, 2018 4:42pm
- stephieboy
  
  rightoverlabour,
  
  “Facts are stubborn things, but statistics are pliable.”
  ― Mark Twain
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:25pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  And Trump is responsible for the highest stock market in history too aye
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:35pm
GazzaW

Ten Auckland beaches closed again today because of sewage overflows.

C’mon Phil, get your head out of your arse and start honouring your election promises to cut costs on BS projects and give us our beaches back. The world’s mose liveable city – in your dreams.
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February 11, 2018 3:29pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  I blame the farmers. Dirty Dairy. We should tax them til they squeal.
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:42pm
- Longknives
  
  “Ten Auckland beaches closed again today because of sewage overflows”
  
  How ironic that so much Auckland ratepayer $$$ was splashed on Phil’s Fisting show…
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:50pm
- kowtow
  
  If I poured engine oil or some such down the drain , the council would have me up on charges
  
  Will they be up on charges for having infrastructure that shits all over the coast every time it rains?
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:53pm
- lifesgood
  
  Plenty of money for gays fisting, though.
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:01pm
- Piniwi
  
  Well GazzaW Old John Armstrong will be happy if there uch more and the Commie Chick gets to really walk on water. Most know he is not in good heath but he really needs to stop writing in case he says something really stupid. It was the only thing she did not do in her 5 days up north.
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:15pm
Johnboy

It’s hard to believe that the South Koreans and in fact the rest of the gullible world are falling for this crap from the fatarse, psychopath Kim.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/olympics/101337891/north-korean-cheerleaders-steal-spotlight-at-winter-olympics
Mike Pence and mad old Donald aint so stoopid after all thank goodness. 🙂
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February 11, 2018 3:30pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, fat boy is just trying to buy some more time, and get the sanctions lifted.
  
  Well guess what the USA and Japan are going to tighten them up.
  They need to board and search every ship and truck
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:33pm
- stephieboy
  
  Johnny , the VP and The POTUS are mad as meat axes who pine for a diversion from the nightmare and debacle at home .
  
  Why not revive the cold war John Foster Dulles style .
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:22pm
Happychappy

Finally someone note has stepped up and challenged people on poverty. Doctor Lance O’Sullivan has made a statement that sickness and poverty is linked to pokie machines , so no doubt he will be ostracized by Labour and the poor in NZ for having the balls to speak out in trying to help his people and put a conversation out there that many people believe.
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February 11, 2018 3:31pm
- Johnboy
  
  How can a chap who forgot to add..Lotto, the TAB, fast food, piss, inbreeding, lack of parenting…..etc…etc.. Have any credibility at all? 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:36pm
- KevOB
  
  This is where national excelled. They were having a very broad look at all the apparent factors driving hardship and bad life choices impacting survival.
  Poverty is a composite of misfortune and inability to cope.
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:52pm
Digmen1

He forgot to mention, cigarettes, booze, sky tv and a few other things.
But its a start, and he has a good reputation.
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February 11, 2018 3:35pm
Monique Watson

Fucking student loan. I’m paying it back to the tune of $8K a year. That’s what you get for making bad decisions around study courses in the 90’s.
I took a scuba diving course I’m still paying off.
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February 11, 2018 3:38pm
- Johnboy
  
  Hell. Scuba diving!! Now that could be a good earner in a high class brothel! 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:40pm
- Manolo
  
  It could be worse: you could have studied the very useful “Islam and Feminism”. 😀
  
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  February 11, 2018 3:57pm
- lifesgood
  
  You talk a load of crap, Monique. You could have paid the loan off immediately before you “lost” $3mil, fact is you never had $3 mil, did you?
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:03pm
  - Monique Watson
    
    I’m known to exaggerate 🙂
    
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    February 11, 2018 11:28pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Slightly annoying – I was kinda hoping you’d hit the real estate riches jackpot.
      
      As for the loan from the 90s – yeah I had one too, accrued from 95 – 01 inclusive, so obv. had interest *whilst* studying (thanks Lockwood). Paid off in full by ’09 (including the overseas penalty, thanks Labour).
      
      Get rid of it ASAP Monique – I ended up using HELOC to do so… BEST. DECISION. EVER. (esp. when home interest rates <3% back then)
      
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      February 12, 2018 3:36pm
Monique Watson

Drift dived the Waikato and most of the debris was condom wrappers and sunglasses 🙂
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February 11, 2018 3:50pm
Pharmachick

Come on guys. Leave the partner and kids out of it. She chose to be a politician, so fair game. But her partner and [imminent] kid should be off limits. Many here were incensed when Bronagh, Max or Stephanie were bought into the slings and arrows of NZ politics (fair enough too), lets extend the same courtesy and leave Mr. Gayford and imminent Gayford alone.
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February 11, 2018 4:00pm
- smttc
  
  Maybe you could tell him to get out of the limelight.
  
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  February 11, 2018 4:06pm
  - Pharmachick
    
    There’s a level of publicity that partners of PMs cannot avoid due tot he nature of their role in the family and in public engagement – same was true with Bronagh Key.
    
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    February 11, 2018 4:16pm
- Piniwi
  
  Maybe Pharmachick and as an unwritten rule politicians families were a no go area for the Media party. That illusion was shattered with the gutter politicking by Labour’s dirty tactics and orchestrated attacks on John Keys family.
  Even then there was observance of that limitation by the National Government members to break from tradition.
  However she and Labour have traded heavily on the fact the Commie Chick is a female, She has a live in houseboy when it is her who seems to do most of the chores. Now she is up the duff and making it so obnoxiously public thanks to the compliant Media party.
  They are so stupid to fail to understand that putting it all out there in the public arena comes at cost for not holding back anything. We don’t really care what she puts on Gayfords shoulders but once that is made public then expect speculation.
  How can anybody expect her not to be seen as an airhead old age teenager when that is how she acts.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:28pm
MCos

I see the English rugby team once again subdued the wild men of Wales last night.
This caused me to reflect on the debt of gratitude the Welsh owe the English for all the help they have given them since the conquest in 1282.
Maybe there should be a Day of Gratitude when the likes of Bob Jones can come round to my house and rustle up a Full English Breakfast, mow the lawns & clean the dunny.
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February 11, 2018 4:43pm
- Gabby
  
  I suppose you want the coal in your bath polished an’ all.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:12pm
SPLOOGE

***WINNING***
Today I amassed well over 200 down ticks on a half dozen comments.
That equates to a lot of butthurt and animosity from the right.
Your pain is palpable and I revel in your misery.
Keep it up.
Go Jacinda. Go Winston.
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February 11, 2018 6:16pm
- Johnboy
  
  I never down ticked you all day Splodge.
  Possibly because I never read any of your crap.
  I just have this time with your attention seeking post….well done old chap! 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:26pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Don’t bother JB. SPLOOGE is already off wanking over all the misery he caused us. Another Womens Weekly issue on Jacinda ruined.
    
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    February 11, 2018 8:08pm
    - sooty
      
      Poeople realy, realy, like you splooge.
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:16pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Bahahahaaaaa.
    You just did.
    
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    February 11, 2018 11:35pm
    - softail 1450
      
      splodge you moron ,the weather wouldnt have suited your 20 foot “super yacht ” around the gulf over the last ten days, but i guess you probably went for a long drive in your 1987 audi 80 instead.
      the reason you are the runner up with downticks (behind streppieboy) is that you invariably post nothing but shit ,not even a little humour occasionally.
      
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      February 12, 2018 7:09am
waikatogirl

Bob Jones has announced he is going to sue the woman on Facebook who complained about his recent column saying their should be a Day of Gratitude. Bob said he is going to enjoy suing her over her comments. ?
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February 11, 2018 6:35pm
- Johnboy
  
  She’s one of those dreadfully pale, outraged, murri so I suspect she’ll have stuff all cash for Sir Bob to get if he wins. However I’m certain he will do it just for the pleasure! 🙂
  
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  February 11, 2018 6:45pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep. I have a feeling her statement
    
    Maihi told One News she had not been contacted by Sir Bob’s legal team but that he needed to understand when people said things that crossed the line there were consequences.
    
    …is going to rebound big-time in a massive irony, and she is going to regret not learning the meaning of the word, “satire”.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11992278
    
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    February 11, 2018 6:51pm
    - nasska
      
      Sir Bob is truly a taonga. No one in living memory has done more to disperse the choking cloud of political correctness we are forced to live under.
      
      I hope he crushes her.
      
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      February 11, 2018 7:03pm
      - Kimbo
        
        You know his tongue is firmly in his cheek when he said
        
        Sir Bob Jones told One News he wanted to sue the woman who started the petition.
        
        “I won’t sue her for a lot because that would seem like I’m bullying her,” Sir Bob told One News.
        
        But he planned to sue her on the basis of hate speech.
        
        The petition was started by filmmaker Renae Maihi and addressed to Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern.
        
        In the petition she called the column he wrote “a vile racist rant”.
        
        “This pitiful and severely uneducated attack is not to be tolerated in New Zealand, Aotearoa: a country founded on a partnership between two peoples,” the petition reads.
        
        “We are better than that. I know we are.”
        
        …because Sir Bob Jones is soooo in favour of hate-speech laws! 😉 FFS, it was satire!! He doesn’t really believe Maori should act as servants to Pakeha for a day, any day, whenever! 😉
        
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        February 11, 2018 7:14pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Yep it’s Sunday. Wait for the working week to begin before expecting a letter from Bob’s lawyer.
      
      I hope she realises that when she said “when people said things that crossed the line there were consequences” that consequences also applies to her actions!
      
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      February 11, 2018 7:04pm
      - nasska
        
        There was a time in Wellington (about mid 70s) when the Traffic Dept completely lost the plot & became control freaks. They were really bad & the Lower Hutt City Council had their own Traffic control which were worse.
        
        As a lowly truck driver taking stock to the Ngauranga abattoir I was used to their attitudes. Not so Sir Bob who took on one of the bastards who numbered amongst the top brass & won.
        
        It was a great day & caused the shit to back off a little. I’ve always felt that I owed him a debt of gratitude for taking on arseholes that the working man couldn’t afford to have a crack at.
        
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        February 11, 2018 7:26pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    I hope he offers to pay for her lawyer just for effect. Sir Bob is just that sort of Larrikan. And good bastard.
    BTW Larrikan isn’t recognised by google spell check, it suggests ‘Afrikaner’ instead. I am literally outraged.
    
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    February 11, 2018 8:05pm
    - stigie
      
      I like him because he’s a dry bastard and tells it how it is but i lost 20 grand in Robt Jones Holdings about 25 years ago.
      Back then, there was no accountability to the share market or to the share holder like there is today.
      A lot of people lost a lot of money and as i said i do like the bastard but he really is a prick !~
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:17pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”i lost 20 grand in Robt Jones Holdings about 25 years ago.”…..
        
        Settle down there stigie. If you hadn’t lost the $20K you would have spent it on piss or loose women.
        
        The fact that you’re here today with an intact liver & no signs of rampant VD is testament to Bob’s good intentions. 🙂
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:33pm
      - stigie
        
        Don’t know about that Nasska, Dad reckons we all here are infested with Aids so a trip to the docs in the morning will hopefully put his mind at ease along with the other 14 rampant identities..?
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:42pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Larrikin is the preferred spelling…
      although Harry Orsman (Dictionary of NZ English)
      p. 438 – also records Larrikan and Larickin.
      
      (from British dialect – larrikin)
      
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      February 11, 2018 8:19pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Larrikin..
        Sorry Maggy now it suggests Darrin.
        Sir Bob will sue me if I dare call him a Darrin.
        Its like an Aussie version of a Sharyn.
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:30pm
      - nasska
        
        If you called him a Darren he’d probably deck you & sue what was left! 🙂
        
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        February 11, 2018 8:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But Nasska, a larrikin is a young man… and Bob Jones is 78.
        
        I realise he may be a young man in your eyes…..
        but I reckon he is a g.o.m.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46flaThCYhE
        
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        February 11, 2018 9:10pm
Happychappy

So Winston is looking at a enquiry into the dealing with DotCom and the previous Government, he said it won’t be at the present but will work out how to do it at a later date. I wonder if all the inuendo and rumours of Peters visit to the mansion might be true and this was to be part of his reward in his quest to rid National from NZ Politics.
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February 11, 2018 6:41pm
- Gabby
  
  Shagger Bangxie might know chappy. You should ask Shagger.
  
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  February 11, 2018 8:10pm
Piniwi

Funny you should say that cmm. Did see one recently of him with a big smile wearing woman’s underwear. Singing that parody of a popular Christmas song “Walking Around in Woman’s Underwear”
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February 11, 2018 7:49pm
sooty

Who from NZF visted the mansion?
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February 11, 2018 8:08pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Peters visited Dotcom on at least 3 occasions between 2012 and 2014.
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11201470
  
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  February 11, 2018 9:15pm
Jack5

Multiculturists are calling the shots in Southland.

Immigration NZ will send up to almost 150 Colombian refugees to the southern region over the next 18 months. The upper and lower levels of Colombia’s parliament have approved a peace deal with the insurgents after the Colombian people in October 2016 a plebiscite rejected an earlier deal.

In other words, peace is just about a done deal.

Susan Morrison-Bailey, a communities adviser of Venture Southland, a local-body funded hype organisation, is reported in the Southland Times as calling for ways to make the refugees welcome.

She says Southland is aware that the region and its culture are changing.

What isn’t said, is that multiculturists and their ilk are more out to remould Southland, NZ, and Western culture rather than reacting to change.

What isn’t said is that chain migration, with newcomers bringing in extended families who bring in extended families, will quite strongly magnify refugee inflow.

On the other hand …

Perhaps Southlanders feel lucky they are not having imposed on them Muslim gatecrashers from Manus Island.

Perhaps Southlanders are also confident that cool Southland will be a temporary stop for refugees from hot Colombia while they await residency qualification that will enable them to move through the back door into warm Australia.
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February 11, 2018 9:22pm
Digmen1

Why do we have to make them welcome?

But luckily they are probably Christian Colonbians and may have some hot women, as well as a few trained drug dealers and trained killers.
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February 11, 2018 10:00pm
Manolo

Warning the barbarians:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/israel-warns-over-irans-presence-syria-air-strikes-155202407.html
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February 12, 2018 7:08am
GoVege

More evidence on the box tonight for my theory that abattoir workers are more likely to murder humans.
Course this dude is a Muslim halal butcher which makes him worse…
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