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Anything but WoO
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January 8, 2018 8:03am
- William of Ockham
  
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  There was an old blogger Farrar
  Who won deniers near and far
  Science is not for them
  It’s “gaga” not “ppm”
  Five star bazaar for the bizarre
  
  Reminder to self:
  Do not argue with an idiot, he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. – Mark Twain.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:43am
  - geoff3012
    
    You are an idiot and I for one won’t argue……
    
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    January 8, 2018 8:44am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    If you can’t do limericks stay away from them.
    Clown.
    
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    January 8, 2018 8:52am
    - Brito
      
      William of Ockham’s no Jew
      His insights were rare and too few
      His posts were inflated
      His lies weren’t debated
      There’s a cage for him at the zoo.
      
      Da da da daaaaaa!!!!
      
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      January 8, 2018 9:27am
      - softail 1450
        
        Brito ,very good perhaps you could give William some tips on writing limericks, because he’s hopeless .
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:36am
      - Brito
        
        Oops, sorry I reported you…my bad.
        
        Tips for WoO.
        
        Don’t!
        
        But if you must…
        
        http://www.powerpoetry.org/actions/5-tips-writing-limerick
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:58am
  - 4077th
    
    No argument here..
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:01am
  - stephieboy
    
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    More Brilliance in stark contrast to useful idiots for climate denial , fake moon landings , Scientology etc and of course Donald Trump .
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:07am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Are you a closet Scientologist Stephie? Tell us all about Xenu…
      
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      January 8, 2018 10:11am
      - holysheet
        
        The poor deluded fucker doesn’t know what he is.
        Catholic to anglican to muslem to catholic in the anglican way to fuckwit. no wonder he is so stooopid.
        Poor Ralph doesn’t know which way is up.
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:32pm
      - simpleton1
        
        Deuteronomy 18:15-20
        18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put my words in the mouth of the prophet, who shall speak to them everything that I command.
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:39pm
    - jedmo
      
      Fake moon landings?
      
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      January 8, 2018 11:21am
    - Peter
      
      Endless straw-mans from our persistent Standard stray.
      
      No one “denies” climate.
      There is climate change. There always has been.
      Does man have an influence on climate?
      Yes.
      How much?
      We don’t know.
      Does man influence climate to a life-threatening level?
      We don’t know.
      Why not?
      It’s rather complex.
      Is asking questions okay?
      Not if you’re a activist loon. Thou must repeat religious beliefs endlessly.
      
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      January 8, 2018 2:06pm
      - Peter
        
        Climate scientists admit they got the modelling wrong.
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/09/18/immediacy-threat-climate-change-exaggerated-faulty-models/
        
        “Climate change poses less of an immediate threat to the planet than previously thought because scientists got their modelling wrong, a new study has found. New research by British scientists reveals the world is being polluted and warming up less quickly than 10-year-old forecasts predicted, giving countries more time to get a grip on their carbon output”
        
        This shows being sceptical and continuing to ask questions is the rational position.
        
        So, the science is not “settled” – anyone saying so is obviously deluded.
        
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        January 8, 2018 7:34pm
      - William of Ockham
        
        You’ve been taken for a sucker, as Professor Myles Allen and others explain.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/sep/27/right-wing-media-could-not-be-more-wrong-about-the-15c-carbon-budget-paper
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/sep/21/when-media-sceptics-misrepresent-our-climate-research-we-must-speak-out?CMP=twt_a-science_b-gdnscience
        
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        January 9, 2018 2:31am
      - Peter
        
        WOO, you’re missing the point.
        
        The models overshot.
        Therefore, not ‘settled’
        There remains doubt, variation, guesswork and uncertainty.
        The rational position is to keep questioning.
        
        When will leftist enviro suckers admit they fell for hype, not science?
        
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        January 9, 2018 7:32am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Seconded. Motion carried.
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:14am
Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa

Greetings and salutations Comrades!
Dear Leader wishes me to pass on her relentlessly positive wishes to the plebs for a prosperous (for Dear Leader, of course) new year.
Remember, whatever you do, do with all your heart as you’re working for Deal Leader, not yourselves.
#LetsDoThis
#MakingAotearoaGreatAgain
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January 8, 2018 8:03am
- VicParking
  
  Give hope that the dear leader did not suffer in the heat on the Gold Coast. Give thanks that the Deputy Leaders Raro hangover has departed. Now get back to work your slaves of the State the tree total has reached 20 million and houses are 2000 behind.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:49am
- ztev
  
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  Look at that , a parrot!
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:49am
  - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
    
    Dear Leader is most displeased with your apparent lack of productivity, and I suggest you find new ways to motivate yourself.
    
    Dear Leader is not as forgiving as I am.
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:14am
    - ztev
      
      A dead parrot !
      
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      January 8, 2018 11:14am
      - Lance
        
        Smile politely at the funny man as you quickly walk past
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:48am
      - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
        
        Begone, pleb. ~~The Gulag~~ Dear Leaders pleasure is too good for you.
        
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        January 8, 2018 1:58pm
Simon

The President rattles off a 5 second tweet and the left lose their collective shit for days and days.

It is easy to see who is and isn’t stable. Guess that was Trump’s point.
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January 8, 2018 8:12am
- kevn
  
  Simon… Bannon has backed off somewhat. Been Trumped.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:31am
  - ztev
    
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    Money dear friend!
    Rebekah Mercer very publicly pulled the plug on the billionaire family’s support for Bannon and Breitbart.
    
    And hes only talked about ONE meeting which Trump wasnt present.
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:03am
- ztev
  
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  A book is released and The Trump right lose whats left of their sanity for 2 weeks!
  There fixed that for you.
  
  Best one is Zoolander star Ben Stiller doing his version of Trumps ‘stable genius’ comment
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5243789/Stiller-reads-Trumps-like-really-smart-Zoolander.html
  
  Trump actually appeared in the first Zoolander film, in a brief five-second cameo during the walk-off scene.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:54am
- MCos
  
  Simon.
  Your seem to be a Trump fanboy.
  If the guy is the genius he says he is, why did he appoint these blatantly objectionable characters such as Bannon, Manafort, to important positions in the White House?
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:01am
  - MCos
    
    Plenty of downticks, but nobody prepared to answer the question?
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:22am
    - Brito
      
      Manafort was from a wealth family whose business was real estate. Smarmy, suave, flash white teeth which can lead to dazzling. President Trump thought he could help but behind the facade was the true nature of the man – a traitor – often you can’t see them when they flash and bedazzle.
      
      Bannon clearly needs help. Trump was prepared to follow this man’s lead and trust the advice he was getting. He was like the snake in Eden and beguiled President Trump with promises and strategies.
      
      President Trump finally saw through the veneer and dumped him.
      
      Next question please left leaning person.
      
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      January 8, 2018 9:35am
      - MCos
        
        So Trump was a fool.
        Is that what you’re saying?
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:54am
      - Brito
        
        No, I didn’t say that at all. I said he surrounded himself with people who helped him achieve his first goal – get into office.
        
        Once that was completed he needed to change the crew. Different tasks, different sets of skills, which he has now done.
        
        Interesting to see the left shooting at Secretary Tillerson all the time. They realise that this man is the type of person who creates stability and growth and to them, is very, very dangerous.
        
        I bet they start on that relationship next.
        
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        January 8, 2018 10:06am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Manafort wasn’t appointed to anywhere in the Whitehouse. He was briefly a member of Trump’s campaign team in 2016.
    
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    January 8, 2018 10:06am
    - ztev
      
      Manafort was a business partner of Roger Stone.
      
      he was inside the campaign well before he engineered the ‘removal’ of Lewandoski and replaced him in May 2016, he was then later replaced by Bannon ( and Conway) in Aug 2016.
      
      Got all that !- a stable genius at work?
      
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      January 8, 2018 11:25am
- artemisia
  
  ‘Fire and Fury’ as the title of the book might play right into the President’s hands. It would have been better to call it ‘Weak and Weird’.
  
  Other suggestions?
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:04am
- stephieboy
  
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  Yet another useful idiot for Trump .
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:09am
Paulus

With the proposed Employment changes she is going to do watch the Unemployment figures rise.
I suspect employers will be reviewing their budgets very soon to see how they can increase efficiency and get rid of staff.
In nearly all businesses it is staff where the greatest expense comes.
I suspect part time women will be the most effected.
Employers will move fast before the legislation comes in as to be caught under the proposed changes will be dramatic.
That is what the Unions want to return to the 1970’s or earlier and they are actually in control as we will see Little take over again.
Winston has his baubles so doesn’t really care except to make noises to show he is still alive.
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January 8, 2018 8:13am
- kevn
  
  Paulus… Lower case for winston peters please.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:30am
- artemisia
  
  Re employment changes under Labour – Herald today includes this:
  
  Under Labour, contract workers, too, look set receive further statutory protections to bring them more in line with employees
  
  Our small firm employs two contract workers on an as required basis, and do our absolute best to give them work for as many hours as they want. Usually succeed. They are both young. They get an agreed hourly rate (quite good) and invoice weekly for hours worked. We took them from unemployment, and have trained them up so they have a few transferable skills.
  
  We also use a whole bunch of subcontractors for specialised work (plumber, sparky, locksmith etc).
  
  If we have to treat the two young guys more as employees (whatever that means) we will probably lay them off, use more subcontractors and increase our rates to cover.
  
  We won’t be the only ones.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:55am
  - waikatogirl
    
    artemisia, under the CoL the unionised employment changes are going to be a dogs breakfast and you can guarantee one thing, once the laws have been implemented it will be too late to get rid of your contractors. They will be staff and you will be stuck employing them, so act now if you are able. Terrible for the contractors being let go but business needs to protect their bottom line before the screws are set in place.
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:06am
    - stephieboy
      
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      waikatogirl , fancy yourself working under the Trump Empire as contract worker with no protections other than ,
      
      Your fired !
      
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      January 8, 2018 9:13am
      - cmm
        
        I certainly prefer to work where I can get fired on a whim. Indeed, I choose that. I work as a consultant and I can be fired with absolutely no notice.
        
        Now why is that you wonder? It means I am surrounded by competent and dedicated people who are generating lots of value.
        
        It is only the incompetent and non-dedicated people that need government protection for their jobs. Those of us who can demonstrate that we bring value to an organization on a daily basis don’t need that protection.
        
        Where people are protected from being fired, it is really hard to get rid of people. A few toxic people can really mess up a workplace, but it is damn hard to get rid of them. Nett result: competent people leave and work somewhere else; the incompetent people stay and the problem gets worse.
        
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        January 8, 2018 10:57am
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm, and ripped off like these Polish illegals ?
        
        http://time.com/5039109/donald-trump-undocumented-polish-trump-tower-bonwit-teller/
        
        Oh sure !
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:14am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Totally agree WG. Unfortunately its hard enough to get rid of the dead wood already. Its only going to get tougher…
      
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      January 8, 2018 9:13am
      - ztev
        
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        Why do you think you can walk away form other sorts of contracts too?
        Try that out to see what happens.
        
        Sign a contract to buy a house, and see if you can just walk away. Its quite tough . Imagine that !
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:43am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Our company ended up in the Auckland employment disputes centre in mediation with a particularly deceitful, destructive employee.
        
        A 5 story building full of mediation on every floor we were told on the day. The outcome for most is employers paying out staff they should never have employed for one reason or another. Who’d be an employer, and it’s only going to get harder under the COL from hell.
        
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        January 8, 2018 10:08am
      - stephieboy
        
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        waikatogirl , seems like yet another failed inept business venture . Hundreds of employers are not afraid treating their staff fairly and honestly !
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:19am
      - ztev
        
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        “paying out staff they should never have employed for one reason or another.”
        
        Theres your answer there.
        
        if you dont know how to hire people properly , then of course you are going to get caught out firing them.
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:30am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        Whats your success rate hiring staff Ztev? Nobody I know that’s been doing it for a long period of time gets it 100% right. At first they seem like the perfect fit, CV check, interview check, references check, motivation check. Then something changes over time.
        When you dont get one right you can end up with someone that does the bare minimum required, undermines others and does things in sly ways to not get caught out. When youre an experienced employer like me then you’ve seen this countless times over the years. We are a very fair employer that provides a lot of support but we expect employees to play fairly and be good team players. When they don’t as an employer you have to bite your tongue and tread around a situation like broken glass so that you don’t do anything procedurally wrong. All this for someone that is causing massive disruption to your team of people and damage to your business often because they are trying to play you for a PG. In this situation youre paying someone wages and giving them support/counselling to help but they are still doing damage to your business. Yet somehow the employer is still the bad guy
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:49am
      - artemisia
        
        It’s not just hiring the wrong people (and I have made some mistakes I admit) but what happens afterwards.
        
        For example, a worker takes stress leave, properly signed off by the doc) for issues completely unrelated to their job. If it happens again and the employer has not done enough (?) to mitigate it, there is a huge financial risk.
        
        I have seen this three times in a large organisation. Followed by redundancy in the next restructure.
        
        And of course workers go off the boil for any number of reasons, or turn out to be toxic.
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:00pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Stephie: ” seems like yet another failed inept business venture . Hundreds of employers are not afraid treating their staff fairly and honestly !”
        
        Stephie, we were more than fair an did treat him extremely well. He was a senior member of staff full of promises but just full of hot air and no substance. Attempting to take over a privately owned business through deception is never acceptable!
        
        In your eyes it is never the employee that is at fault is it.
        
        Stick that in your righteous pipe and smoke it. Idiot boy! ?
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:09pm
      - Viking2
        
        Many years ago an older fellow and I were discussing getting rid of people. It was during a drivers strike and he ran what was then a bog carrying company.
        He said “it’s not to hard to get rid of people” They all steal”. And tfir the troublesome ones I have found that to be quite true, whether its time, money or product.
        The key is to catch them and that is now easier than ever.
        
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        January 8, 2018 2:25pm
      - cmm
        
        There are so many things wrong with protecting shit employees:
        
        * Incompetent staff are a tax on productive people. That means the good, productive, workers must be paid less.
        * They reduce the productivity of the people around them.
        * The company has to plough management resources into managing these toxic people rather than focusing on improving/growing the business.
        * This all makes businesses more marginal and more likely to fail (ie. everyone loses their jobs – not just shit-head).
        * This reduces growth, so reduces employment.
        
        It is also destructive for the shit-head employees. Instead of getting the message, pulling their head in and fixing what’s broken, they get bailed out by the state so don’t get motivated to improve.
        
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        January 8, 2018 6:54pm
  - 4077th
    
    Since when did good economic sense and business planning become part of the socialist utopia?
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:11am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Seek treatment for your Paranoia !
      
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      January 8, 2018 9:14am
      - 4077th
        
        Spray and walk away?
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:27am
  - ztev
    
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    Theres lot of places where they are full time for one employer and are really fake contractors. It gets around ACC, Holiday pay etc.
    You sound like it should be casual, rather than ‘contractor’
    
    Teaching is another example where ‘temporary contracts’ have grown enormously.
    
    The Employment Relations Act says there must be “genuine reasons based on reasonable grounds” for offering fixed-term contracts, which Employment Court cases have distilled to maternity, sabbatical and sick leave cover, or for a specific project.
    “Teachers are not subject to 90-day trial periods.
    
    The act prohibits temporary employment “to establish the suitability of the employee for permanent employment”.
    
    The following reasons are not genuine reasons for the purposes of subsection (2)(a):
    (a)
    to exclude or limit the rights of the employee under this Act:
    (b)
    to establish the suitability of the employee for permanent employment:
    (c)
    to exclude or limit the rights of an employee under the Holidays Act 2003.
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2000/0024/109.0/DLM59161.html
    Employment Contracts Act- Section 66 . Fixed term Employment
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:16am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Been an employer have you ztev!
      
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      January 8, 2018 10:11am
      - sooty
        
        Never! Been a waged worker all her life.
        
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        January 8, 2018 10:31am
      - stephieboy
        
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        waikatogirl , you a successful emplyoer .Consider spending permanently and uselessly posting your fabulist alt right nonsense .
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:21am
      - ztev
        
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        Yes I have.
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:31am
      - sam green
        
        I am currently – I have 16 staff in my organisation – my wife employs over 50 staff in her business and together we employ another 5 – 20 seasonal workers as well as independent contractors each year. What is your point?
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:26pm
      - redeye
        
        “Been an employer have you ztev!”
        
        ztev
        “Yes I have.”
        
        With your own money or taxpayers?
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:27pm
      - sam green
        
        There aren’t different rules Redeye.
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:44pm
  - Brito
    
    Yip. That’s the way it will work.
    
    We had a round table meeting this morning to discuss this very thing (family businesses).
    
    We consciously chose not to employ young women (feeling the hate already here) because they get pregnant and you have to hold their job open. Might be illegal but prove it. We went through all the proper channels and never mention the bias. We select at the end of the day. Women who are settled with families are in the various companies and are the backbone of them.
    
    We also decided to employ through agencies in two of the business units. The managers are on a seperate contract but we have the rest of the employees managed by others. It works and we won’t change.
    
    None of the businesses involve minimum wage roles and anything which needs to be done which does (cleaning, catering, IT, etc) is contracted out.
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:45am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Join the Employers Association. Invaluable guidance if you need help with disputes.
      
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      January 8, 2018 10:13am
      - Brito
        
        Thanks WG. I’ll leave that to the others to make a choice. I just make the tea and say pithy witty things and then I’m sent to my room.
        
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        January 8, 2018 10:27am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Brito, you and I have the same job description. Best of both worlds! ?
        
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        January 8, 2018 10:42am
      - stephieboy
        
        Employers Association. Invaluable guidance ??.
        
        I trust so and that includes not stomping on their basic rights as Trump did .
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:49pm
      - Brito
        
        stephie if you ever get into business you’ll learn two truths.
        
        Your staff are your greatest asset.
        
        and…
        
        Your staff can be your greatest liability.
        
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        January 8, 2018 1:23pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Mostly he will learn that he is truly clueless.
        
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        January 8, 2018 3:33pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Don’t want to “I told you so” Brito; but are you happy now that you voted for Labour?
      How did return on your $US go – hope it was worth it for you – but you were warned. 😉
      
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      January 8, 2018 10:16am
      - Brito
        
        Still trading and skimming off the top. The big dip came after the election and since then it’s swung back slightly.
        
        Wait for the next adjustment and away we go again.
        
        I didn’t vote for Labour, my inner self worth just couldn’t face it. I have to look the kids and grand kids in the eye so, nope, self reliance all the way.
        
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        January 8, 2018 10:26am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Fair enough – at the time it seemed to me to be way out of character for you, hence my indignation at you ;-).
        
        My son who is in finance is doing the same thing with – among other things, bitcoin. 🙂
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:25pm
      - Brito
        
        Excellent Don. I hope your boy did/does well!!
        
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        January 8, 2018 6:01pm
    - Gabby
      
      You could just blow up the dolls yourself Bitcho. Buttplug testing can’t take up your whole day.
      
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      January 8, 2018 7:17pm
      - Brito
        
        Variety of sizes in buttplug testing and different texture ratings for the dolls.
        
        Really Gobby it can keep me up all night…da dunk!!
        
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        January 8, 2018 8:08pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, there is huge unemployment throughout the whole world, as “we” can produce so much stuff with so few staff.
  So you would think that Labour would be pleased with our low unemployment rate and do all they can to help small businsses.
  But its going to be do all they can to stuff small business.
  As others have said, its just bringing in more automation.
  Less jobs for the unskilled.
  Who is going to pay their dole?
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:56am
  - KevOB
    
    The robots will be taxed.
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:12am
- Southern Raider
  
  Finally the Herald has some actual journalistic articles and it’s number one on their page.
  
  Mostly telling comment is that law firms are beefing up the number of employment law specialists getting ready for the onset of disputes
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:57am
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    law firms ?
    They wont be representing ordinary workers!
    
    They aim for high level executives
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:21am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Fuck the union member workers. It’s the mums and dads business owners that will be getting dragged through litigation
      
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      January 8, 2018 9:55am
      - tf78
        
        Anyone been watching Peaky Blinders?
        
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        January 8, 2018 6:04pm
      - simpleton1
        
        tf78
        No not watching.
        Is it like “underbelly” filmed in aussie.? of crime in the early 20th century.
        Sounds like it could be quite interesting.
        
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        January 8, 2018 6:33pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Bullshit ztev, employment lawyers will represent anyone who pays them.
      
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      January 8, 2018 10:14am
      - ztev
        
        Ordinary workers cant afford the fees of lawyers, they would prefer the no win, no fees of employment advocats.
        They used to advertise a lot, dont see them now, wonder why!
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:35am
      - waikatogirl
        
        ztev: “Ordinary workers cant afford the fees of lawyers, they would prefer the no win, no fees of employment advocats.
        They used to advertise a lot, dont see them now, wonder why”
        
        You want the answer to that:
        Our employment advisor (worth every penny) told us employment law was the new money maker for lawyers. There is going to be an explosion of legal advice and the good old lawyers are ready to mop up all those lovely fees.
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:18pm
    - MickMac
      
      not correct ztev
      1. they’ll be hired by executive (who make decisions) to represent their companies.
      2. the area will be pull of opportunities due to the change in govt and therefore it makes sense to have more capability.
      
      3. the unions are corporates in this instance and will hire law firms.
      
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      January 8, 2018 10:49am
      - ztev
        
        Unions have their own experienced staff including in house lawyers to deal with issues like this.
        
        They make take on a law firm when its out of the employment court and into the ordinary courts.
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:37am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Unions have experienced staff you say ztev, like Angry and Willy Jackson.
        LOL! ?
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:20pm
      - Brito
        
        Haaaaaaaaaaa!!!!
        
        My ribs Dr, my ribs…haaaaa haaaaa!!!!!
        
        Trying to breathe trying…..
        
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        January 8, 2018 1:34pm
      - Johnboy
        
        You forgot to mention MaaaaaaaMcCarten wg. Now there was an really experienced fuckwit. 🙂
        
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        January 8, 2018 1:38pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  The employment law changes are scary for business and not enough was made of this in the election campaign. Whats scary for business should also be scary for employees. Cindy obviously isn’t concerned about the big risk of job cut backs, speeding up the change to automation and losing jobs off shore. Bill could have hit her hard about the importance of job security to NZers in the campaign
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:07am
  - brett68
    
    They’ll just hire a lot more public sector workers.
    
    This will hide the job losses which will come about because of these employment law changes.
    
    The left can then crow in the media that business is wrong and everyone is better off.
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:18am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Downticker have a look at the business confidence surveys if you don’t believe how scary it is. Lowest confidence since GFC
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:20am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Labour was sneaky HC; it just released the bare bones of an employment policy, and when Bill English challenged Jacinda Ardern on it in the election debates, she said they just wanted fairness for everyone.
    
    Chalk that up as another porky from Ms Ardern, who said it is possible to survive in politics without telling lies. That of course was a lie in itself. What Labour is purported to be proposing is fair for everyone, except employers.
    
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    January 8, 2018 10:16am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Then we got Winston firsts 27% wage increase over 2 years on top of all of this needless employment law crap that’s already weighted in favour of the employee. Then add the unions power for collective bargaining, increased weekend allowances etc.etc. Plenty of employees think they will be better off, but wait until they are told they wont get their overtime/weekend hours anymore. They wont be happy and will call in the unions. We will go around in circles until there isn’t a viable business anymore in many cases. You just wait and see what you wished for `government’ voters!
      
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      January 8, 2018 11:25am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I agree. As the minimum wage goes up, accompanied by more demands for a “living wage” of around $20/hr, then employees earning above minimum wage will also want pay rises to preserve their relativity. Fair enough too; someone who has been doing a good job for over five years adds more value to a business than a school-leaver on minimum wage, and they should be compensated for that.
        
        Of course that has a significant effect on business owners, who, to cover the increased cost of wages, either have to increase their prices or cut back their overheads. Staffing is the biggest overhead, which is why significant pay increases at a time of low inflation is likely to lead to layoffs and retrenchment, or more small businesses going to the wall. And Winston Peters will have blood on his hands for allowing it to happen.
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:49am
      - artemisia
        
        Have seen this in Wellington recently, when new bus rouet contracts were awarded to Tranzit. Drivers to get a pay rise per hour but lose penal rates, including for weekends, split shifts.
        
        Those drivers who picked up the penal rate shifts will be worse off and are not happy. From the grapevine heard that when rosters went up there was a scramble for the high paying shifts.
        
        There has been a union meeting about this issue (maybe other issues as well, IDK) and I expect industrial action. And drivers voting with their feet if they can.
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:52am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        KS any $20/hr worker now must be thinking I’m worth minimum $25.40 (27%) in 2 years time in the name of relativity and with the likely inflation why wouldn’t they think that.
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:03pm
  - tf78
    
    We could have a robot prime minister – similar to the puppet we have and pay them nothing. Sounds good to me all they do is spit out the data that’s fed into them.
    
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    January 8, 2018 6:10pm
MCos

There’s a video racing around the internet of a collie dragging a snow board up a hill and sliding back down again.

Now that’s genius!
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January 8, 2018 8:16am
- waikatogirl
  
  Are you implying the collie is cleverer than Angry Andy because it can learn new tricks and Andy can’t? ??
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:21am
  - Happychappy
    
    waikatogirl is razor sharp this morning,good to get a laugh so early in the morning.
    
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    January 8, 2018 8:33am
    - Que Sera Sera
      
      Wouldn’t call her sharp.
      Rather dense is a better description.
      
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      January 8, 2018 1:16pm
  - MCos
    
    I don’t think he, or anyone else, ever referred to him as a genius
    
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    January 8, 2018 8:43am
    - VicParking
      
      Listern more closely it was “Genie Arse”.
      
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      January 8, 2018 8:53am
- nasska
  
  This one?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVlikC_hXJE
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:32am
- oldgolfer
  
  Least you can expect from a collie.
  If I might be so bold, your average collie would out-think the coaltion, paws down.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:38am
  - RalphT
    
    And we, as owners of the government, have to follow behind them, picking up their shit.
    
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    January 8, 2018 8:41am
Sofia

The Islamic State gave two reasons for the war declaration against Hamas: Hamas has cracked down on ISIS militant groups in Gaza, and Hamas failed to prevent the U.S. from recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
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That violence could come in the form of the Islamic State encouraging supporters to launch rockets into Israel, knowing Israel will blame and retaliate against Hamas.

A problem for Allah, in the name of whom this is done, is, if an ISIS fighter causes retaliating Israelis to kill a Hamas fighter, who gets the 72 virgins.
If killing in the name of Islam is confused enough to not identify the perpetrator and that his actions are motivated in the name of Allah, does anyone get any virgins.
Or, as the US has triggered this with their recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, should Trump get the virgins?

And read the small print : There is more than one mention of “The lowest rank of an inmate of Paradise will have eighty thousand servants and seventy two wives. In short there will be such bliss in Paradise which no eye has seen, no ear has heard and no heart has conceived.”
Bliss? What do you do with, or how do you cater for, eighty thousand servants?
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January 8, 2018 8:18am
- kevn
  
  sofia… Who would want 72 mothers-in-law?
  Faulty logistics by inbreds.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:28am
  - stigie
    
    These 72 virgins, are they allowed to feel pleasure..?
    
    Oh hang on, Stiffy should know !~
    
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    January 8, 2018 8:52am
- JibberJabber
  
  You don`t have to be thick to be Muslim, but it helps.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:33am
  - holysheet
    
    You don`t have to be thick to be ~~Muslim~~ religious, but it helps.
    
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    January 8, 2018 8:57am
- VicParking
  
  Ask Jacinda, she has 4 million
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:55am
- stephieboy
  
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  Sofia , keep up the deluded campaign to eliminate the worlds 1.3 billion Muslims .
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:17am
  - VicParking
    
    Unlike you who want to eliminate all christians all we want you to do is stay in your own shitholes and don’t come to our country.
    
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    January 8, 2018 10:54am
    - stephieboy
      
      Vicparking , they’re here and more are coming .
      
      Both Iraq and Syria were not shitholes before 2003 and 2011. Nor the gulf states and nor Saudi Arabia when the President and first lady visited earlier last year .
      
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      January 8, 2018 12:56pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        What are the chances of Steph welcoming some of the Muslim refugees into the congregation at the Anglican Church of St Albans The Martyr? How about a few readings from the Koran?
        
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        January 8, 2018 1:47pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Saudi Arabia? The country where women until very recently weren’t allowed to drive? Where they have to wear niqab? Where public entertainment includes hand and neck chopping of criminals?
        
        Sure, no shithole at all…
        
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        January 8, 2018 2:12pm
oldpark

A special mention for the start of 2018. It is for the “pest” for all all reasons and seasons,a guy called Peters.
Uncontrolled ambition turns a person into a monster,and a nation like NZ into despair,and the well being of its citizens.
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January 8, 2018 8:18am
- ztev
  
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  Still sore over losing huh ?
  
  Angela Merkel is still trying to make that ‘largest party wins’ thing make sense too!
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:56am
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes, its time for some changes to MMP.
    Reducing the threshold to 4% or imho to 1%
    Making parties announce who their preffered coalition partners are!
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:18am
    - VicParking
      
      Fuck MMP
      
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      January 8, 2018 11:00am
      - stephieboy
        
        Sore loser !
        
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        January 8, 2018 11:22am
      - Harkman
        
        Ignore Ladyboy, he/she is just a plain loser.
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Harkman ,when will the big sulk and whimpering end post 23//09/2017?
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:58pm
      - Viking2
        
        Sad for the Nats that they were so born to rule that they couldn’t do the sums properly and trashed their support parties.
        
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        January 8, 2018 2:57pm
    - Gabby
      
      Reduce the threshhold to whatever Rimmer gets dicman.
      
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      January 8, 2018 8:18pm
kowtow

The future for Europe.

A Green President makes a “pointedly ” provocative message , gets the “Islamophic” response he was probably looking for and hey presto who’s at fault?

“President Alexander Van der Bellen, a 73-year-old liberal green politician, pointedly issued his congratulations to the girl, who was named Asel after being born in the early hours of New Year’s Day in Vienna. ”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/07/president-steps-islamophobic-abuse-austrias-new-year-baby/
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January 8, 2018 9:01am
- Gabby
  
  Mr Van der Bellend congratulated Asel on her imminent nuptials.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:16pm
Albert_Ross

I see I have attained the status of “f***ing moron” because I do not presume to know better than the majority of the world’s climate scientists as to whether human activity is causing climate change.

Am I rendered more, or less, of a f***ing moron by the fact that there are plenty of other highly qualified professionals that I also do not presume to know better than? For example, the majority of the world’s engineers as to how to build a bridge, the majority of the world’s doctors as to whether vaccination causes autism, and the majority of the world’s geologists on whether earthquakes are caused by the moon?
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January 8, 2018 9:16am
- All_on_Red
  
  Well I can’t speak for others but I don’t think you are a f******Moron but rather that you are f****** Dumb- mainly because I don’t think you know what Scientists are actually saying.
  You seem to like asking questions of others.
  So here’s one for you.
  Do you think the frequency of extreme Hurricanes and Tropical Cyclones has increased?
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:24am
  - stephieboy
    
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    All on Red ,
    
    the post of the month from William of Ockham ,
    
    BREAKING NEWS
    Auckland Council reassures residents, gives lead to other councils
    
    Residents were informed today that water that swamped their properties is not real.
    
    Professors All_Red_Herrings and Waggy WaffleLeaf, self-anointed experts on climate change, said the hundreds of cubic kilometres of ice on Greenland and Antarctica is melting into imaginary water. “It’s purely in the minds of scientists,” they reported on Kiwiblog.
    
    “Denial is the best way to avoid reality,” they continued, “The Royal Society, National Academy of Sciences, American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Physical Society, American Chemical Society … none of these has the right to endorse the science from 60,000 scientists publishing papers on man-made climate change.”
    
    “Fortunately the Brothers Koch and other billionaires in the fossil fuel industry are financing useful idiots to counter this appalling lapse in judgement, the absolute abandonment of the scientific method.”
    
    Pollster David Farrar added, “It’s imperative we get National back into power. Conservatives understand if we stop funding the science the problem will go away.”
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:34am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Shh Stephie
      The adults are talking, unless you care to answer the question.
      
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      January 8, 2018 9:43am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , you mean this kind of enlightening erudition ,
        
        f******Moron but rather that you are f****** Dumb- mainly because I don’t think you know what Scientists are actually saying.
        
        LOL !
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:52am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Don’t worry Stephie.
        I don’t think there’s any doubt you will retain your Crown as Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator for 2018
        Well, until the ‘intervention’
        
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        January 8, 2018 10:01am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    I do not know whether the frequency of extreme Hurricanes and Tropical Cyclones has increased.
    
    That is because I do not claim to know very much about meteorology, or climate science.
    
    In fact, I am perfectly happy to concede that I do not know as much about either subject as you do.
    
    Are you prepared similarly to concede that you do not know as much about either subject than do the majority of the world’s climate scientists?
    
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    January 8, 2018 10:02am
    - Ed Snack
      
      So you’re prepared to take someone’s word for it ? That’s f***ng dumb.
      
      If you are interested, there’s been a “historic” low in Hurricanes over the past 20+ years making landfall in the US. The quietest period recorded (though the records aren’t that long in climatic terms or particularly homogeneous) – and all while CO2 levels kept rising.
      
      So the alarmism over hurricanes is deliberate propaganda lapped up by fools like WO, Stephieboy, and apparently yourself. Where there is politics involved, it always pays to check for yourself using a variety of sources and where necessary looking at unredacted source data; rather like you should look at the ownership papers for bridges that people may try to sell you – and look behind those papers for actual ownership !
      
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      January 8, 2018 10:14am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        If I were proposing to buy a bridge, I would engage a qualified property lawyer to check whether the person selling it was entitled to sell it. I would also engage a qualified structural engineer to check whether it was structurally sound. No, I would not attempt to do either of these things myself.
        
        Similarly, I do not propose to attempt to reach a view for myself as to what recent trends in hurricanes do or do not tell us about whether or not fossil fuel burning is causing increased CO2 levels in the atmosphere and whether those increasing CO2 levels are leading to climate change.
        
        No, that does not mean I am prepared to take “someone’s” word for it. I am, however, prepared to take the word of the majority of the world’s climate scientists for it.
        
        I agree that some people make idiotic claims about climate change for political reasons. That does not mean that everybody who says that climate change is happening and that human activity is causing it is a politically-motivated idiot.
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:13pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Thank you for the concession Albert. I try to find out what the facts are rather than believe what is said in the Guardian.
      And here’s an idea for you. Do some research on that Survey ‘97% of scientists say’. It’s a bit of a farce.
      Any way, to the question. My source is the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory which is part of the National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
      This was revised on 11 Dec 17
      ‘Have humans already caused a detectable increase in Atlantic hurricane activity or global tropical cyclone activity?
      “Detectable” change here will refer to a change that is large enough to be clearly distinguishable from the variability due to natural causes. ‘
      ‘E. Summary for Atlantic Hurricanes and Global Warming
      In summary, neither our model projections for the 21st century nor our analyses of trends in Atlantic hurricane and tropical storm counts over the past 120+ yr support the notion that greenhouse gas-induced warming leads to large increases in either tropical storm or overall hurricane numbers in the Atlantic.’
      So, 120+ years of observational record.
      To be fair they do say that their models indicate that there MAY be an increase in the last quarter of this century. But that’s modelling…
      Also- to be clear . I believe the Planet is warming.
      
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      January 8, 2018 10:36am
      - William of Ockham
        
        1. If you cannot detect a trend you cannot infer there is no trend. Nor is a statistical test a law. Ultimately it’s a judgement.
        2. Heat from the ocean energises the hurricanes. The oceans have been warmer. Therefore it is impossible for the worse hurricanes to be weaker than formerly.
        3. The prediction was for worse hurricanes. Not more hurricanes. Red herring? Straw man?
        4. Do you understand the word “global” in global warming?
        5. It seems others do better work on hurricanes than NOAA. Hadley Centre predicted the paths of recent storms more correctly.
        6. I can understand why you don’t like the Guardian. You need a big barrow of cherries…
        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/28/climate-change-hurricane-harvey-more-deadly
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/13/global-warming-made-hurricane-harvey-deadly-rains-three-times-more-likely-research-shows
        
        You can read but can you grasp concepts? A ideological block? You deny being a denier.
        
        Your arguments contradict the basics. You don’t know much physics. You’re in the right place here!
        
        Why don’t you go to http://www.realclimate.org and test your “science” there?
        
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        January 8, 2018 2:28pm
      - Peter
        
        This just in.
        
        Apparently, the oceans aren’t rising fast enough for the climate models to be “in the carpark next to the ballpark”, so they’ve come up with something new.
        
        The oceans are sinking!
        
        You couldn’t make this stuff up.
        
        Actually…
        
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        January 8, 2018 5:02pm
    - Ross12
      
      Albert
      Here is the medium term forecast by the NOAA for the USA this winter. Given by those wonderful scientists you refer to
      https://www.climate.gov/sites/default/files/TemperatureOutlook_Winter2017_large.png
      
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      January 8, 2018 1:46pm
      - Albert_Ross
        
        And this proves – what, exactly?
        
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        January 8, 2018 1:53pm
  - MickMac
    
    no, they are just reported better. and continuously.
    They are cyclical region by region.
    
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    January 8, 2018 10:53am
Huevon

Dear Kiwiblog, please ban ztev. He/it/they are nothing but leftist troll(s). The comments are becoming cluttered with ztev’s posts, which are mostly vitriol or nonsense. He is provoking flame war just for the sake of it.

This is a good blog and one of the few reliable sources of informed opinion in this country. I hate seeing it ruined by a commentator like ztev.
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January 8, 2018 9:16am
- Digmen1
  
  If this is mainly a right wing blog, then we do need a left wing balance.
  Otherwise we’d all be talking to our converted selves!
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:20am
  - KevOB
    
    Ztev does not provide balance but diversion. He seldom makes a sensible comment and seems to aim to subvert.
    
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    January 8, 2018 12:44pm
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Quite often, ztev backs opinion with links and fact(oid)s which leave me better-informed than before. This blog is better for having dissenters who intelligently challenge prevalent opinion, though today he does seem to be operating in diversionary mode.
      
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      January 8, 2018 1:50pm
      - kevn
        
        KiwiDave… z is just a paid, well resourced, hired gun so to speak, he/she/they/it monitor several blogs and just spam/bombard.
        KiwiBlog seems to be a favourite. On here from dawn till dark.
        Not sure that all qualifies as a genuine commenter.
        Probably holds the record for downticks.
        
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        January 8, 2018 2:39pm
      - ztev
        
        Not paid, dont work or volunteer for labour or affiliates.
        
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        January 8, 2018 3:36pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        But ztev if you fail to cast your acerbic commentary on the Labour coalition then how can you be anything other than a shill for the left?
        
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        January 8, 2018 3:49pm
- ztev
  
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  Angling to be ‘door bitch’ are you Albert?
  
  I would guess that of the entire readership, only 15% have comment logins. Most would only skip through
  
  Of those that comment , its likely that 80% of comments are written by 10% [of those 15% of readers.]
  
  Do you think I comment for the benefit of some 50 diehards like you who think its ‘their blog’
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:27am
  - Longknives
    
    Ztev is a Left Wing Troll- But he shouldn’t be ‘Banned’!
    This isn’t The Standard-We believe in Freedom of Speech round here…Don’t we?
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:34am
    - MickMac
      
      not for trolls.
      reasoned discussion certainly.
      
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      January 8, 2018 10:54am
      - kevn
        
        z… 3.36pm. I didn’t mention labour. All that very prompt research and links to whatever. You all just just got time to burn, right?
        
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        January 8, 2018 3:38pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Very high risk thinking, MickMac. Who gets to decide what is ‘reasoned discussion’? That kind of rule can easily become as wrong as Germany’s new Network Enforcement Law (forces large social network sites to delete ‘illegal’ messages without any court decision – i.e. some minion in an office somewhere now gets to decide what is ‘illegal’).
      
      I like the Freedom of Speech here and our democratic way of hiding the more boring/annoying nonsense.
      
      We must protect FoS. The new government will try to curb sites like this with ‘hate speech’ laws. I’ve read many things here that in Germany would get people prosecuted and certainly banned from Facebook and Twitter under the new German law.
      
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      January 8, 2018 2:25pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        A bit more about Germany and FoS. There has long been a law against ‘Volksverhetzung’ – “incitement of the masses”.
        
        This law doesn’t just cover incitement to violence but anything ‘against the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning, or defaming segments of the population.’ I.e. just about anything the German regime doesn’t like can be called ‘Volksverhetzung’. Criticism, of islam often comes up against this law, but at least cases went to court.
        
        Now, under the Network Enforcement Law, large social media such as FB and Twitter have to remove ‘obviously illegal’ posts or they could be fined up to 50 Million Euro.
        
        Under this new law some FB/Twitter minion is making what should be only a court decision and censoring people. Untrained office workers can’t know what is ‘obviously illegal’.
        
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        January 8, 2018 5:32pm
    - UpandComer
      
      We do. Albeit, I’m getting moderated pretty heavily, which provokes mixed opinion, but perhaps is for my own good and that of the blog, given my views on freedom of speech and what is going on in the world are empirically valid but aren’t widely shared and are certainly unappreciated in certain quarters pushing one narrative. You can push ajar but never too far.
      
      Free speech is such an elusive thing.
      
      I once did a write-up on here on it that made me sound brilliant. I admit I plagiarised it almost in entirety from this genius speech by Christopher Hitchens:
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Z2uzEM0ugY&t=454s
      
      This encapsulates my views on freedom of speech, and should be everyones’. I’m very sad the pugnacious atheist isn’t alive right now to deliver the slap to enemies of the Enlightenment. He is the one left winger apart from Noam Chomsky and perhaps Glenn Greenwald who I’ve always respected.
      
      It’s not nice to say the things I say, about Rotherham, Robert Putnam, the BBC changing history, the culture wars, what is being done to our children etc. It’s not nice. But being nice means you wake up one morning and your have speech codes. Anyway I’m definitely in the naughty chair so I’ll disappear for a while.
      
      Anyway, watch the video. It’s the most brilliant defence of freedom of speech I’ve ever found.
      
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      January 8, 2018 2:45pm
      - stephieboy
        
        UpandComer ,
        
        “..the BBC changing history, ” ???
        
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        January 8, 2018 2:49pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        https://archive.fo/WiaiY – Britain under Rome was comprised of ‘typical’ muslim families –
        
        when this was highlighted as being perhaps historically inaccurate, the BBC did this:
        
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01zfw4w
        
        An example in fiction is here:
        
        http://hollywood.greekreporter.com/2018/01/02/controversy-looms-as-mythical-achilles-is-played-by-black-actor-in-new-bbc-epic/
        
        It all seems like fun and games, but I don’t blame Greeks and others for being a bit sensitive given what the BBC try to do.
        
        Anyway I need to disappear for a while.
        
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        January 8, 2018 3:04pm
      - UpandComer
        
        http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html
        
        Also remember – Theresa May is the worst individual on freedom of speech, along with the Tories, in the world. I’m a National voter, and Corbyn and Labour are just straight communists, but I still wouldn’t vote for the Tories. You’d have to vote for the corpse of the Lib Dems or UKIP solely on this issue.
        
        The UK has one of the worst political classes in its history.
        
        Even in China, even in the former Soviet Republics, at worst they firewall citizens off from the existing internet.
        
        Only in ‘free Britain’ would they try and build their own government internet and then force everybody on it.
        
        I mean, who benefits from decades of largely unfettered immigration, creating inevitable societal conflict whereby acid attacks, car attacks etc become ‘part and parcel of a big city’ and ruthless anti-speech laws, giving a government a justification to literally force it’s citizenry onto an ‘regulation is freedom’ network?
        
        Theresa May is worse then Angela Merkel. At least Merkel just dicks around the Zuckerberg run companies. She doesn’t force all her citizens onto an actual new government internet with separate servers.
        
        I would feel complete solidarity with the left on opposing the Tories on this issue.
        
        New Zealand is the last semi-sensible place in the world. I don’t think you could try it here.
        
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        January 8, 2018 3:35pm
  - Colville
    
    Leave the bans to the Stranded and WO, They love silencing any opinions that differ to their own.
    
    The beauty of this place is the lefty morons are allowed to spout bullshit which we then laugh at…
    
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    January 8, 2018 10:13am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    I’ve no idea what a “door bitch” is, but if you are asking whether I would support Huevon’s request for you to be banned from Kiwiblog – No, I would not.
    
    I would, however, recommend that you mend your manners
    
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    January 8, 2018 10:24am
    - ztev
      
      Its a constant struggle Albert.
      In general I would agree with you there
      
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      January 8, 2018 11:41am
      - Lance
        
        The meds ztev… the meds…
        You need to take them NOW
        
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        January 8, 2018 12:15pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Huevon , such as the alleged national flooding disaster at Kaiaua ?
  
  LOL
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:36am
- Brito
  
  You need ztev to keep people amused. Scroll past the post. Also, freedom of speech is the sacrosanct.
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:53am
  - lifesgood
    
    Yes, we must have balance and allow freedom of speech. We also should not mock the afflicted and since ztev clearly is I think it best to simply ignore him. Do what I do, see his name and automatically downtick.
    
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    January 8, 2018 10:52am
    - MickMac
      
      same here and for stephie boy, though occaisionally he surprises me and gets an uptick.
      
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      January 8, 2018 10:55am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I try not to automatically downtick anyone – I wouldn’t see that as FoS. Even Ztev makes the odd correct point – the broken clock is right twice a day.
      
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      January 8, 2018 2:28pm
    - Viking2
      
      That action of course just creates the same censorship especially when others like yourself adopt the same actions.
      Ztev can be “grumpy” with his replies but IMHO he often backs it up with good links to other info.
      Best to keep an open mind. You don’t have to agree nor like what he says but a t least respect the opinion and efforsts that he makes.
      Unlike the Stephie bot and the starship and a few others.
      
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      January 8, 2018 3:04pm
- VicParking
  
  I agree that good discusion is being spolit by these trolls however we might not agree with their crap but we have to respect their right to say it. (Sounds familular).
  We just have to get them to 30 downticks asap so their ramblings dont spoil our conversations. Also dont rise to their bait. Just downtick and move on.
  
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  January 8, 2018 11:05am
  - lofty
    
    Yes, freedom of speech is one of our last bastions left.
    The time is rapidly approaching when we all will have to fight harder for that right to remain.
    
    Ztev, et al have the same rights and freedoms as anyone else, and so are free to blither and obfuscate with the best and worst of us.
    Its easy to move on, or not, depending on the whim of the reader.
    I personally don’t generally downtick unless I am feeling particularly curmudgeonly on any given day.
    Besides the idiocy (interspersed with some bloody funny stuff) makes me smile a bit.
    
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    January 8, 2018 12:58pm
    - lofty
      
      In addition re ztev, it is the most learned font of knowledge about anything and everything I have ever seen, I never cease to be amazed at its verbal diarrhea, I sometimes wonder how someone who is very obviously not gainfully employed, or if it is, runs a very smooth operation that allows such dedication, reacts with such speed, I know goggle is great and all…but.
      Wonderful clever-clogs.
      
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      January 8, 2018 4:43pm
      - kevn
        
        lofty… z just a multi person (other blog sites monitored as well) system. There are multiple z’s
        One person can’t crank up all those multi links and comments so quickly.
        Holds the record for down ticks for sure. Mostly because he/she/they/it live at KiwiBlog dawn till dusk.
        Must get the most bites here…
        
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        January 8, 2018 6:19pm
      - lofty
        
        Sorry kevn, I reported you by mistake…oops.
        
        Yes I agree re your summation of the ztev machine.
        
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        January 8, 2018 6:49pm
- UpandComer
  
  I don’t mind Ztev.
  
  We shouldn’t ban people for being snide or asinine lol.
  
  But honestly you need to have some opposing views to avoid being an echo-chamber. Otherwise as I said, we can become like the really tiresome climate change religionists.
  
  Ztev isn’t going to subvert anything. I suspect he’s being influenced ever so slightly by our pernicious empirical approaches. Hence the compulsion to respond to an ever increasing number of ‘der Alt Righten’ observations lol.
  
  I would say that Ztev is like the crust or smear of bacteria that you need in your house, that re-assuring tinge of filth under you finger-nails in order to maintain a hale immune system. If you don’t let any bacteria into your microbiome or skin you get poor gut health and skin conditions.
  
  So let Ztev/Stephieboy/JasonJohns lol who I quite enjoy, be our helpful gut bacteria.
  
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  January 8, 2018 12:59pm
- Que Sera Sera
  
  Informed ?
  Most people just come on here just to confirm how idiotic some homo sapians can be.
  
  These are the ones who sit on this site all day spouting absolute crap.
  Just red neck Trump lovers, they are.
  
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  January 8, 2018 1:30pm
- Johnboy
  
  I have noticed that as Milkey’s comments have declined in number ztrev’s have increased. Not that I’m suggesting anything involving schizophrenia or DID of course! 🙂
  
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  January 8, 2018 2:31pm
EAD_TWO

Breaking News – Peter “the EU must do everything in it’s power to undermine the homogeneity of its nation States” Sutherland is dead.

The native people of Europe should start throwing street parties at this guys death as he makes his way down to Hell alongside Maurice Strong and other dead Globalists:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2012/06/faustian-pact-of-suds.html?m=0

I’m normally a strict follower of De mortuis nihil nisi bonum but for Sutherland I’ll make an exception.
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January 8, 2018 9:17am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , I take it Irish Savant has covered extensively the betrayal of Jews in The President’s cabinet and the President supporting Jerusalem as Israel’s capital ?
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:41am
Milhous

The concept that economic expansion was unlimited and not necessarily limited by periods of correction (recession), was Cullen’s biggest mistake. He put the economy on a spending path which wasn’t sustainable when the correction hit and the government had to borrow to keep the economy afloat. (To be fair he wasn’t the only one)

The current period of US growth is attributed to Trump by Trumpists but clearly the improving figures appear to be simply a continuation of the improvement in the US economy from the previous government. In fact the rate of employment growth has slowed in 2017 compared to 2016. Anyone that thinks the “reforms” of Trump over the past year could have any major influence on an economy the size of the US with so many moving parts seriously should check their calculator. Growth in the US has mirrored Global growth. Even growth in much maligned Europe is about the same as Trumps US, in fact GDP Growth per person is higher in Europe than Trumps US.

What Trump has done is of course his tax cut. There is no doubt this will have some stimulus (in the Keynesian way), but it will be no where near the 4% claimed to get even close to mitigating the effect on the deficit.

So at the end of a period of economic expansion, which history tells us will correct or slow, Trump has adjusted the books such that his tools to balance an economy when faced with recession are very limited.
Elements such as Trumps unusual and risky behaviour with the unstable North Koreans or his repeatedly threatened trade war are things which could accelerate a potential global recession….

There seems to be more posturing and politics at play in Trump’s economic policy rather than a well thought out plan…..He may not be completely unstable, be he is NO genius
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January 8, 2018 9:22am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘but it will be no where near the 4% claimed to get even close to mitigating the effect on the deficit.’
  
  Ahem, the ‘nowcast’ released by the NY Fed as at Jan 5 for the last quarter of 2017 is 3.97%…
  https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/policy/nowcast
  Time will tell if the trend continues.
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:33am
  - Milhous
    
    Yes, but it forecasts just over 3% for next year. Same as Trumps administration do. Still well short of any ability to reduce the deficit.
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:37am
    - All_on_Red
      
      No, it forecasts 3.4 for the first quarter, not the whole year. And as they gather data they change the figure.
      That how last quarter 17 became 3.97
      
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      January 8, 2018 9:41am
      - Milhous
        
        3.15%, not 3.4%.
        
        I can’t find anyone, not even the administration claiming that sustained 4% growth is possible on a sustained basis in the near term.
        
        ironically if it was they would have to open the borders to meet labour market demands!
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:46am
      - All_on_Red
        
        No, 3.45 actually
        
        Click on the tab 2018 Q1
        https://www.newyorkfed.org/research/policy/nowcast
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:52am
      - stephieboy
        
        Professor All on Red Herring , losing your self in the stats ?
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:54am
- ztev
  
  Not all figures are improving
  
  eg employment growth last year was down on the that of the last 6 years or so
  ie 2017 average monthly new jobs was 177k
  
  but 2016 was 187k per month
  2015 was 226k
  2014 was 250k
  2013 was 192k
  2012 was 179k
  2011 was 174k
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:36am
  - Milhous
    
    I made the point the rate of employment growth was slowing….which it will do as it get towards 4% anyway.
    
    But no doubt the highest periods of employment growth were under the previous administration.
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:39am
    - Harkman
      
      Yeah, in fake part-time jobs.
      
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      January 8, 2018 12:22pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It is true that Trump’s policies have not done a lot to produce growth. However the market had already priced in the expectation of a Democrat winning and the taxes and regulations that would result. Just the fact that didn’t happen is sufficient to encourage investment, increase economic activity, and lift markets.
  
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  January 8, 2018 10:58am
  - Milhous
    
    Maybe, Maybe not (the markets had been “living” with a Dem for 8 years).
    
    My point is that not only has Trump not done a hell of a lot to influence the current situation. My reading of what he has done is more likely to exacerbate or at best fail to address the US long term problems.
    
    The US tax system is complex and still favours taxing productivity rather than consumption.
    
    US dept per GDP is astonishingly high (>100%) and he has done nothing to address that.
    
    US labour market is in dire need of reform….nothing.
    
    US entrenched entitlements have yet to be addressed in any meaningful manner.
    
    Coupled with his incoherent ramblings re trade and his $18 billion + wall, i just can’t see any rational plan for the US economy.
    
    Also how the hell does his “massive” infrastructure spending fit in, given these economic settings at this stage of the economic cycle?
    
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    January 8, 2018 11:20am
- KevOB
  
  Don’t believe anything about the US economy based on “statistics” or stock market indices. The FED hasn’t finished its wrecking yet–it’s barely started on winding in its excessive credit creation and inflated asset prices. We will be affected here too in due course.
  
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  January 8, 2018 12:49pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
One of yesterdays treats was to see the sore alt right losers attempt to milk the flooding of the little village Kaiaua as a major catastrophe of Canterbury earthquakes proportions

It again reminds us just what a marginal and irrelevant bunch they are as 23/ 09/17 graphically and continually reminds us .
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January 8, 2018 9:27am
- GazzaW
  
  I think you’re gilding the lili at tad stephie. The comment was made that the damage in Kaiaua was as significant to the local residents as the Ch’ch earthquakes. And still is.
  
  I would rather hark back to ztev’s comment of last week that the damage caused to Coromandel’s roads was nothing that couldn’t be fixed with half a days bulldozing. Well, four days later and the first escorted convoy has just headed up SH25.
  
  As for your last gratuitous paragraph stephie you and the rest of the stephieteam are just a constant reminder of the ignorance that surrounds us.
  
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  January 8, 2018 10:09am
  - stephieboy
    
    GazzaW, it was of such national significance that it deserved a visit by Jacinda ? Unlike the disastrous Edgecumbe flooding which the then PM did not visit .
    
    Get a life !
    
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    January 8, 2018 11:26am
    - GazzaW
      
      Who mentioned the requirement for Jacinda’s presence? The residents did not need to be depressed any further. A word for them from the Government assuring them that any assistance required would be provided would have been par for the course I would have thought.
      
      No, the PM did not visit Edgecumb but three Ministers did – Bridges, Tolley and Flavell.
      
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      January 8, 2018 3:14pm
      - Gabby
        
        Who guzzla? Just some whingeing little shitbag prolly.
        
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        January 8, 2018 8:04pm
All_on_Red

PERVWATCH
A division of Groperwatch
Today we look at one of Kiwiblogs Biggest Creeps.
Yes, it’s STEPHIEBOY
This sleezy creep has had Strikes for linking to porn sites on KB.
Who has such a lack of judgement.
Yes, it’s STEPHIEBOY.
An admitted PERV who said this:
‘19,565 COMMENTS
stephieboy
Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire?
Thumb up 7 Thumb down 36REPLY REPORTAUGUST 21, 2016 8:51AM’

‘Honeypots’!!!
And this;
Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
Thumb up 1 Thumb down 16REPLY REPORTDECEMBER 3, 2015 2:26

Wow, just wow.
PERVWATCH is brought to you as a public service to out the creeps amongst us.
Stephieboy is PERVERT #1 STILL
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January 8, 2018 9:39am
- stephieboy
  
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  tick, tock , tick tock , tick tock…..
  
  LOL , LOL , LOL ….
  
  BTW Professor Red Herring you are irrelevant and lunatic fringe .
  
  Get over it .
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:43am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘irrelevant and lunatic fringe’
    -snigger
    Hey, I got a couple of PMs yesterday. It seems others like my idea and have started doing some collating.
    Quite the fan base you got
    LOL
    
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    January 8, 2018 9:50am
    - stephieboy
      
      Professor All on Red Herring , now think about it ?Who needs a fan base with you and all your other deluded alt righters infesting it ?
      
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      January 8, 2018 9:56am
  - GazzaW
    
    I think stephie that we would feel more comfortable in your company with either a complete rebuttal of AOR’s allegations that those statements were made or that the offending member of stephieteam has been sacked.
    
    The alleged comments are offensive to the vast majority here on KB and doubly so to female KBers.
    
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    January 8, 2018 10:20am
    - mara
      
      GazzaW, please don’t assume that all females here are delicate flowers. The stephie person doesn’t offend me at all. I just down-tick the prick and move along.
      
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      January 8, 2018 11:19am
  - Manolo
    
    Do you confess to having some weakness for the young female body, stephieboy? Please, do tell. 😀
    
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    January 8, 2018 12:09pm
    - holysheet
      
      When you are a follower of the paedo proffit, what more can you expect from the slimy creep.
      
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      January 8, 2018 12:49pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      ‘Few things gladden the heart of a good man as does the sight of a beautiful woman’
      Author unknown.
      
      BTW – I’m referring to SIGHT only – not any other nefarious suggestions . 🙂
      
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      January 8, 2018 12:58pm
      - Manolo
        
        The key word is “woman”, which for some primitive paedophile Muslims means 6 years and older.. 🙂
        
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        January 8, 2018 1:05pm
      - kowtow
        
        Manolo
        
        Six years?
        
        Let’s be fair and examine that shining beacon of secularism that the progs always promote , Turkey.
        
        “A government body in Turkey has suggested that girls as young as nine and boys as young as 12 could marry under Islamic law, prompting the country’s main opposition party to call for an investigation into child marriages.
        
        An online glossary of Islamic terms was posted by Turkey’s Directorate of Religious Affairs – or Diyanet – which is responsible for administering religious institutions and education.”
        
        There you have it, one of the foremost islamic experts , nine years old.
        
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/turkey-children-marry-age-nine-islamic-law-diyanet-government-chp-mp-investigation-muslim-a8142131.html
        
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        January 8, 2018 2:30pm
- Morrissey
  
  Welcome aboard, All_on_Red! This organization welcomes walk-on performers of merit like your good self, just as surely as we recruit in the more usual way, of offering internships. Top drawer work on smoking out this creep.
  
  Jack A. Napes (Editor in Chief)
  Hector Stoop (tea boy)
  Serena Sopwith-Fotherington (“intern”)
  Morrissey Breen (researcher)
  
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  January 8, 2018 6:39pm
EAD_TWO

Dieversity comes to Ireland:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2018/01/and-thus-it-begins.html?m=0
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January 8, 2018 9:50am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO ,
  
  this erudite comment about your link says it all,
  
  Anonymous said…
  3 January 2018 at 23:25
  
  It wouldn’t hurt to do a few tho.
  Might make others think twice about doing what they are doing… Not just politicians.
  We are in a White civil war.
  Clearheads v Fuckheads
  Do the Fuckheads in
  
  LOL
  
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  January 8, 2018 10:00am
- kowtow
  
  Yesterday I posted this link to an opinion piece in the Irish Independant ,
  
  “However, the questions raised as a result of this incident do reinforce serious concerns being expressed privately by those on the frontline: that the State’s border security regime and immigration control is not up to scratch, and that is putting it mildly.
  
  Never before has it been so crucially important for the State to put in place a fully-integrated, sophisticated, functional immigration system so that the authorities know who is entering the country, and can then monitor their movements until such time as they have cleared a rigorous security screening and granted permission to stay.
  
  There is nothing draconian, or indeed unfair, in such a system which finds balance between human rights and national security. In fact, it is the least the citizens of the State deserve.”
  
  https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/paul-williams-worrying-dundalk-attack-shows-states-security-regime-is-not-up-to-scratch-36463911.html
  
  Funny thing is this is exactly what the proper function of the state is , and they’re not doing it. Worse they are doing the opposite , bringing in millions of undocumented illegals.
  
  Ironic this happens at the time one such proponent , Sutherland , as you’ve pointed out ,a member of the elitist political class , who actively betray the citizens of their countries has gone to meet his maker.
  
  “The world trade deal was probably the highlight of his career which afterwards again took a greater business focus as chairman of Goldman Sachs and British Petroleum. But he still remained active in the EU and in other international organisations, taking a keen interest in the crisis surrounding migration into Europe, where he advocated liberal policies and respect for human rights.”
  
  https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/peter-sutherland-obituary-irelands-bestknown-international-statesman-dies-after-long-illness-36465019.html
  
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  January 8, 2018 10:40am
BananaLlama

Firstly, Happy New Year chaps.

Secondly going to ask a question. Why does Winston cause such a colossal amount of ass hurt here? did you really expect him to go with National after the election campaign they ran? even now the Nats are still out to Neck both him and his party. I just don’t see how you could have expected anything less.
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January 8, 2018 10:06am
- kevn
  
  Banana… It isn’t about him or them. It is about us, NZer’s.
  
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  January 8, 2018 10:14am
- Happychappy
  
  Complements of the season to you also Bl you seem to forget Peters and NZ First went after Bill English first with elegations and statements they had the dirt in text messages that turned out to be nothing. Winston cried wolf first and had no intention of going with National and is still making elegations on his Pension leek so when he proves it then I might have a different outlook of him and his Party.
  
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  January 8, 2018 10:28am
KH

I did not vote for any party that has formed the current government. But (dammit) I accept they are the government. Thats democracy.
I think the election rules are reasonable and don’t need changing. Those parties were able to stitch it together somehow, because they had enough votes.
The rest of NZ did not vote as I did, but thats the breaks. We are a great nation with differing views.
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January 8, 2018 10:31am
- MickMac
  
  good nation.
  a great one would have not hard left as they’d get laughed at all through school and uni/college before coming right or leaving.
  
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  January 8, 2018 11:00am
- KevOB
  
  One helpful fix for the future would be to limit votes of confidence to only electorate members.
  
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  January 8, 2018 12:54pm
GazzaW

I turned on ZB this morning hoping that as the silly season is now coming to an end that there might be some intelligent conversation going on.

Alas no, Kerre McIvor and her geriatric camp- followers were discussing the merits of Kiwibank. A portent of things to come with Leighton’s retirement. What were you thinking ZB management? Advertisers will just evaporate.
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January 8, 2018 10:40am
Digmen1

Yes if Leighton goes, that only Leaves Larry Williams worth Listening to.

I like Kerry, she has a good sense of humour and fair play, and has a good turn of phrase.

But she is too light weight, and too left for the main am talk show slot.
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January 8, 2018 10:47am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hosking talks a bit of sense in the mornings.
  When he’s at work.
  
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  January 8, 2018 5:22pm
  - Morrissey
    
    No he doesn’t. He’s there precisely because he’s no bloody good.
    
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    January 8, 2018 6:46pm
- Morrissey
  
  Kerre ohoWmad is disgusting.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_28_december_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2107694
  
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  January 8, 2018 6:48pm
  - Morrissey
    
    One swine approves of Kerre ohoWmad’s treatment of the elderly hard of hearing caller who challenged her support for Tony Veitch.
    
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    January 8, 2018 8:21pm
UpandComer

https://mobile.twitter.com/BRANDONHILTON/status/949731129472503808

Powerful.

This is why you have to teach gender intersexual you and intersectionality to 8 year olds on Victoria, so that 8 year olds can be the face of your fetish fashion.

Today in Sweden a Swedish man died because he picked up a grenade outside a train station. Wasn’t terror related of course. It’s fairly rare and only really around Malmo.

Oh, and Jeremy Corbyn fired his Labour MP who noticed around 1million white children may have been raped in England by Muslim gangs. That number is not on this link explicitly, but implied by the one in four girls and one I’m six girls statistic. And the Rabbi groups in England keep bringing them in. This is why I write tut tutting posts. Seema a bit off to me. But what do I know. I think it’s ok to be white
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January 8, 2018 10:55am
- UpandComer
  
  Ah here it is.
  
  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/child-sex-abuse-gangs-could-5114029
  
  One million. One million. One million. One million. One million. One million.
  
  What happened? Nothing. No one got punished. The one person who spoke about it gets fired by the communists, and anyone who speaks out is hot with racist speech codes.
  
  So with all due respect to Britos grandparents saying with wonderfully facile profundity ‘he who looks for evil will always find it’, sitting behind a wall and armed guards in Israel, my wish for my kids not to get raped outweighs my nervousness at upsetting people. Yeah, you can find it, then get fired.
  
  One million. Where are the feminist groups? Where is it on the media? Where are the marches?
  
  And the Rabbis keep pushing for them to come in, on Australia, Canada, the United States, and I’m sure New Zealand. Because, you understand, these rapists are the equivalent of the post world war 2 diaspora.
  
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  January 8, 2018 11:12am
  - UpandComer
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/14/one-in-four-young-women-in-uk-report-mental-health-issues-study-shows
    
    Then you see incredibly sad statistics like this – one in four women in the UK suffer from depression or anxiety at any one time. Note the article observes since 2007 economic circumstances for young women have improved tremendously, even as mental health deterioriates, but they think it’s from exam stress.
    
    Political Correctness and cultural marxism are literally leading to the mass rape of our societies, and particularly of women. Yet none of the feminist groups care.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/sep/29/self-harm-ptsd-and-mental-illness-soaring-among-young-women-in-england-survey
    
    It’s astounding. 30% of English women have a mental condition. 20% self-harm.
    
    30% of women in England have a mental condition. 20% self-harm – as in, they slash up their thighs and arms with blades to cope with anxiety.
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-depression-west-mental-health-uk-oecd-europe-scandinavia-women-more-men-a7945321.html
    
    British people are twice as depressed as they are in Greece, where they fight over toilet paper in the streets.
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/teenage-mental-health-crisis-rates-of-depression-have-soared-in-the-past-25-years-a6894676.html
    
    Teens are smoking/drinking/pregnant much less, but their mental health is the worst it’s ever been in the UK.
    
    Why? Why? Why?
    
    Well probably because one million of them have been raped. Then when they tried to seek help and accountability from the authorities they trust they were trashed, ignored and found these same authorities facilitating their mass rape. It was like a nightmare.
    
    For any lucky enough to have family, which is extremely rare as one quarter of all families are single parent
    https://www.gingerbread.org.uk/policy-campaigns/publications-index/statistics/ their parents who spoke out were told they would go to prison for racism.
    
    It’s enough to make you go mad.
    
    https://www.supportrefugees.org.uk/about-2/about/
    
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Jewish-organizations-condemn-UK-government-decision-against-child-refugees-481047
    
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/british-jews-prepare-groundwork-for-influx-of-syrian-refugees/
    
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/child-refugees-migrants-two-thirds-home-office-dental-teeth-david-davies-a7369186.html
    
    https://www.holocaustremembrance.com/sites/default/files/press_release_document_antisemitism.pdf – I love this document. It encapsulates so perfectly the horror of anti-speech codes.
    
    So why is UK society so sick and so sad?
    
    It’s a complete mystery. We’ll just ‘never know’. It must be social media. It must be a lack of diversity.
    
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    January 8, 2018 11:45am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘Feminists’ of the 80s now normal women with jobs and families, who wanted equal rights and opportunities and feel that basically women have those now. They have better things to do than be modern ‘third wave feminists’ and keep finding things to be angry about.
    
    Third wave feminists are desperate to give themselves some importance, so they have to keep finding things to be upset about. According to Wiki, they claim “women experience ‘layers of oppression’ caused, for example, by gender, race and class”.
    
    And that’s the problem: identity politics above simple, plain equal rights for all. Fighting the fake racism of ‘islamophobia’ is more important than pointing out the serious gender issues in islam. Third wave feminists think they should be ‘inclusive’ of every ‘diversity’ and to criticize any aspect of islam is ‘racist’.
    
    For instance: “The “hijab” could be seen as an act of resistance against Western ambivalence towards Islamic identity”
    
    Yeah right, it could also be seen as an oppressive burden on islamic females, an invitation to men to harass women who don’t wear hijab and an insult to all decent men who don’t need women to be shrouded up to treat them with respect!
    
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    January 8, 2018 2:57pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    So with all due respect to Britos grandparents saying with wonderfully facile profundity ‘he who looks for evil will always find it’, sitting behind a wall and armed guards in Israel, my wish for my kids not to get raped outweighs my nervousness at upsetting people
    
    What a wonderful comment. Reminds me of the old saying – “sticks and stones may break my bones, but EAD linking to factual articles will always hurt me”
    
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    January 8, 2018 5:12pm
    - Brito
      
      EAD lying again.
      
      My grandparents died in 1944, on both sides of the family (nasty little camp in Poland). My parents had left France by that stage of the war and had moved to NZ.
      
      So, my grandparents are not alive and well.
      
      So take your ‘with all due respect’ and stick it up your arse.
      
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      January 8, 2018 8:34pm
  - Brito
    
    And a small comment for you tosspot.
    
    Try and have an original thought and not parrot EAD who sometimes surprises with clarity and accuracy.
    
    You however, are a small boy looking for friends but nobody really wants to play with you because your clothes are ripped and the toes in your shoes have gone.
    
    If you’re crying out for a little pity, you’ve come to the right place…you’ll get that here…very little pity.
    
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    January 8, 2018 8:58pm
    - UpandComer
      
      EAD wishes he was as erudite as me ‘wink’.
      
      I dont want to wind you up or be mean. I read the Hope by Herman Wouk. Wonderful book. But 1 million English rape victims and I guarantee almost no-one here knew about it. For some really weird reason, the media, which is totally independent and diverse of course, which is always talking about feminism and refugees won’t report on a holocaus t of rape by fellow “people of the book” on English women and girls. One million. No one cares. No one is doing anything. Anyone who speaks out gets destroyed by fellow people of the book. Now that’s not your fault. But if I was sitting in my filthy council flat in Slough, dodging acid, unable to sleep from the boom boxes and the screaming next store and finding out about my neice like one bloke referred to in the royal commission, and nothing happens. Well, I’d be just furious. Christians have all the moral high ground now.
      
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      January 8, 2018 10:45pm
      - Brito
        
        You are a tosser. You’re quoting bullshit from a lefty rag (The Mirror) and using that as a ‘fact’.
        
        What a plonker! The Mirror!!! Fuck me!
        
        “It was easy to find the girl, you looked for the queue of men running down the street and up the stairs”.
        
        If you’re meaning the release of the Jay Report about abuse the figure is 1400 poor kids not 1 million.
        
        You don’t go fishing by any chance do you?
        
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        January 9, 2018 5:08am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        OY VEY Brito❗
        
        Do you not think people notice that when UpandComer & myself debate on her we’re always presenting arguments backed up with facts and argued with reason.
        
        All you can do is shout ad hominem, bluster & call names. Then there was your lame attempt at emotional blackmail.
        
        Your “Light Unto the Nations” shtick is quickly shown for the baloney that it is and is believed by no-one except the most truly gaslighted.
        
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        January 9, 2018 7:25am
Manolo

Open war says the hack:
https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2018/01/06/wolff-touts-book-will-finally-bring-down-%E2%80%A6-presidency

In an interview with BBC Radio on Saturday, Michael Wolff, the author of the dubiously sourced gossip book targeting President Trump, boasted to host Nick Robinson that “the story” that he told, “will finally end…this presidency” once and for all.
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January 8, 2018 11:06am
- Ross12
  
  Wikileaks have downloaded the whole book, so free access for everyone. They have basically demonitized Wolff and his gossip book.
  
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  January 8, 2018 1:28pm
Huevon

For those men shafted by the anti-Family Court, here’s another one…

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5243913/Wealthy-trader-says-husband-won-lottery-cheating.html

Man marries woman, woman’s career “takes off”, man has affair and marriage ends, man gets 50% of “relationship property” (GBP 2,275,000), woman appeals claiming that law is unjust and “out of date”, appeal court agrees a “departure from equal sharing principle is justified”.

Yeah right. If this was a bloke that would have fleeced him for even more.

Feminism only ever was about women getting their hands on the loot.
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January 8, 2018 11:12am
- wiseowl
  
  The relationship property act was indeed a move to screw males.
  The more stories I hear the more it is confirmed.
  The law Commission is calling for submissions on the PR Act as it is being reviewed but submissions close on 3 Feb.
  As far as I understand the 2002 changes to the Act were retrospective which ,if true is appalling.
  
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  January 8, 2018 12:54pm
Manolo

2018, the year of Swedish peace. Allahu akbar.
https://www.thelocal.se/20180107/two-injured-in-explosion-on-stockholm-subway

A man has died in hospital after he was injured in an explosion near a Stockholm subway station on Sunday.

The explosion occurred late on Sunday morning outside the Vårby Gård station, injuring a man in his sixties and a 45-year-old woman.
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January 8, 2018 11:14am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes that grenade was probably left over from the First World War.
  
  (Oh Sweden wasn’t in the First World War, or the Second)
  
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  January 8, 2018 11:54am
  - Johnboy
    
    Thank goodness Agnetha never picked it up. I haven’t had an opportunity to shag her yet! 🙂
    
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    January 8, 2018 1:10pm
Manolo

The same hack and liberal whose wife promised they would lerave the US in case of a Trump victory.
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/01/05/abc-star-george-stephanopoulos-faces-increased-pressure-with-matt-lauer-charlie-rose-off-morning-show-map.html

The former top aide to the Clintons and close friend of Obama Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel is believed to earn roughly $15 million dollars a year at ABC, according to Business Insider, even though his role on “Good Morning America” is limited largely to political and hard-news stories and the show favors lighter stories more suited for ebullient co-hosts Robin Roberts, Michael Strahan and Lara Spencer.
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January 8, 2018 11:19am
Digmen1

I notice an important milestone on here.

The two clock timeclockers – Trees and Houses have both just ticked over 2,000 and 2 million!
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January 8, 2018 11:52am
- G152
  
  We’ll be able to build nonexistent houses with those non existent trees.
  
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  January 8, 2018 1:26pm
UpandComer

Look I don’t want to fall afoul of moderation and I understand I’m probably pushing the envelope with links etc. So I’ll refrain from commenting for a while.

But just as a final one, look at this:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/14/one-in-four-young-women-in-uk-report-mental-health-issues-study-shows

Then you see incredibly sad statistics like this – one in four women in the UK suffer from depression or anxiety at any one time. Note the article observes since 2007 economic circumstances for young women have improved tremendously, even as mental health deterioriates, but they think it’s from exam stress.

Political Correctness and cultural marxism are literally leading to the mass rape of our societies, and particularly of women. Yet none of the feminist groups care.

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/sep/29/self-harm-ptsd-and-mental-illness-soaring-among-young-women-in-england-survey

It’s astounding. 30% of English women have a mental condition. 20% self-harm.

30% of women in England have a mental condition. 20% self-harm – as in, they slash up their thighs and arms with blades to cope with anxiety.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-people-depression-west-mental-health-uk-oecd-europe-scandinavia-women-more-men-a7945321.html

British people are twice as depressed as they are in Greece, where they fight over toilet paper in the streets.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/teenage-mental-health-crisis-rates-of-depression-have-soared-in-the-past-25-years-a6894676.html

Teens are smoking/drinking/pregnant much less, but their mental health is the worst it’s ever been in the UK.

I’ll leave readers to form their own conclusions about why UK society is so disastrously sick and sad.
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January 8, 2018 11:58am
- Digmen1
  
  So why do you think UK society is so sick and sad?
  
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  January 8, 2018 12:38pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maybe people were always depressed at the same level, but no one talked about it.
    
    Media companies like this kind of story because it sells copy. People like to read stories about others’ misfortune (I am sure the Germans have a word for that).
    
    Women like to read about these kinds of stories, so the newspapers print more of them…?
    
    Maybe people have more time on their hands to feel sorry for themselves, and do not have the responsibility of looking after children or elderly family like they did 60 years ago.
    
    Any other thoughts?
    
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    January 8, 2018 2:05pm
    - artemisia
      
      Vitamin D deficiency. Especially for women who are always covered up outside, but not just them. Plenty of teenagers seem allergic to that big blue dome. Can’t see their phone properly and not used to being vertical.
      
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      January 8, 2018 2:52pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “Any other thoughts?”
      
      A bit of a Oxymoron there I think !
      
      Women becoming too self assertive ?
      
      Back to the Victorian age and beyond ?
      
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      January 8, 2018 2:53pm
- cmm
  
  To think they once ran an empire….
  
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  January 8, 2018 12:47pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Queen Elizabeth can’t possibly comment, but I can imagine Her Majesty is not impressed with Britain’s current direction…
    
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    January 8, 2018 1:30pm
    - stephieboy
      
      waikatogirl , certainly HN the Queen does not delve into your alt right fabulist nonsense ?
      
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      January 8, 2018 2:54pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Perhaps there is a correlation between depression and length of commuting time.
  
  I work from home, so I am never depressed.
  
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  January 8, 2018 2:17pm
dime

youll be pleased to hear Dime is back from his holiday on the HMS Noravirus.

The ship doctor said i should stop shitting blood within 12 days.

great holiday. oh did dime drink.

i would recomend a cruise. the slaves on board who take care of your every whim are just fantastic.
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January 8, 2018 12:48pm
- Manolo
  
  @dime: Next time you cruise, try Seabourn. You will never look back. Guaranteed.
  
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  January 8, 2018 12:51pm
  - dime
    
    ill check it out. next holiday will be a busy one.. then ill do another sack of shit, do nothing but eat and drink cruise 😀
    
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    January 8, 2018 12:56pm
Digmen1

Maybe its because they were one of the first countries in the world (after the USA) to free things up.
Contraception – free sex
Welfare State
Lack of Standards.
Decline in Family
Freely available booze n drugs
Decline in church attendance

And then
Reality TV.
Mass Immigration
Too much food – obesity
Not enough well paying jobs (and will get worse)
The Labour Pardy
No more shows like Morecombe and Wise, Lovejoy, Minder, The Two Ronnies.
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January 8, 2018 12:53pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  All the money that has been pumped into the Welfare State, and what have we got to show for it as a society?
  
  Welfare only works in a moral society, where people use it as a safety net.
  
  In an immoral society, they use it as a hammock and vote for the party that promises to give them more free stuff…
  
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  January 8, 2018 1:14pm
  - Johnboy
    
    “they use it as a hammock”. That’s a very polite way of describing the WINZ trampoline old chap! 🙂
    
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    January 8, 2018 1:19pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Great comment Odakyu-sen.
    What does that say about successive governments that enable such attitudes?
    Time for a return to policies based on individual responsibility.
    
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    January 8, 2018 3:39pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Both National (43.3%) and Labour (39.7%) are parties of Big Government. ACT might have reigned in the State, but less than 1% of the population would vote for them.
      
      What can I say? The Auckland skyline is festooned with cranes; the cafes are full to the brim. Good times are here, it seems.
      
      The current status quo in NZ is for Big Government spending up on borrowed money. The economy is being constantly vitalized with new blood from India and China–but it is not the blood of old New Zealand of a generation ago. (The young generation will not notice this; to them, the diversity of Auckland will be the normal state.)
      
      I can’t really complain, as Auckland has been good to me and my family, to the extent that we fit right in. But, as I have said before, no Kiwi under the age of 55 and certainly no Chinese under the age of 60 has any idea at all what a recession and slump can be like. Auckland has boomed since the late 1980s, a period of almost 30 years. People have gotten used to that.
      
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      January 8, 2018 5:33pm
      - GazzaW
        
        The 70s and 80s were pretty damn’ awful looking back. State intervention, rampant unionism, whopping home loan interest rates, near bankrupcy necessitating a 20% devaluation, scandalous sell offs of SOEs and the BNZ.
        
        We don’t know how lucky we are. Don’t fuck it up Labour.
        
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        January 8, 2018 7:27pm
- UpandComer
  
  Cultural Marxism.
  
  All you need to understand about what it is, it’s value to society, and how it functions is expressed in this genius article, from the completely unfake news CNN:
  
  http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/22/health/thomas-tank-engine-paw-patrol-fascist-cartoon-strauss/index.html
  
  The author is Eliza Strauss, because every.time.
  
  Here is another article by Eliza Strauss
  
  https://forward.com/opinion/324643/being-emotional-woman-makes-you-smarter/?attribution=author-article-listing-5-headline
  
  Because what needs to be on TV is this:
  
  http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/bbc-netflix-troy-fall-of-a-city-1202646162/ – the Greeks were African, just like:
  
  https://archive.fo/WiaiY – Britain under Rome was comprised of ‘typical’ muslim families –
  
  when this was highlighted as being retarded, the BBC did this:
  
  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01zfw4w
  
  The British people are the subject of a sustained campaign to destroy them as a collective and every aspect of their history and culture.
  
  Enforced diversity – https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-diversity-create-distrust/
  
  This article is by PC types trying to revise Robert Putnam’s original findings that diversity is the most dis-civic thing that exists, and end up proving his point even more.
  
  All of which necessitates:
  
  Big government
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/05/britain-has-become-sick-society-has-outsourced-duties-old-tory/
  
  The Tories are just as bad as Labour in this regard. The Tories, because they’re run by the people who want ‘government internet’ (worse then in China, China just has a firewall for some parts of the general internet, May wants to literally create another internet run off government servers) completely disregard the general culture, and completely disregard diversity and speech codes.
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html
  
  England has some of the most vicious anti-free speech law in the world:
  
  http://reason.com/blog/2015/01/02/katie-hopkins-illegal-tweeting
  
  http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2009/10/save_the_children.html
  
  The other reason is this:
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10963499/Warnings-of-Westminster-paedophile-network-ignored-because-there-were-too-many.html
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/feb/26/bbc-bosses-cover-tracks-savile-2012-andy-kershaw
  
  etc
  
  England has the worst political class in history – most of them actively hate their own constituents. If you wonder how one million English women could be raped and ‘nothing happens’ it’s because, well – draw your own conclusions.
  
  Brexit is the last chance for England. I suspect the people there will be ignored, and even if they get it, they’ll keep Schengen, which was the whole point of voting for it.
  
  Right, really my last post for a while. Argh I see I’m going to be moderated. Fair enough. Probably for my own good.
  
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  January 8, 2018 2:18pm
- mikenmild
  
  Nothing spells the decline of civilisation like the transition from the classical culture of Morecambe & Wise to crass reality TV….
  
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  January 8, 2018 2:20pm
  - Jack5
    
    Milky re-enters the swamp!
    
    Where ya been, old croc?
    
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    January 8, 2018 4:03pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Agree apart from your disapproval of contraception. Come on, surely you don’t want gigantic families and endlessly pregnant women? Even married couples need contraception. Or should it be two bonks to have two kids and that’s it?
  
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  January 8, 2018 3:06pm
stephieboy

Digmen1 ,

Contraception – free sex

Re introduction of compulsory chastity belts ?

Lack of Standards. ?

Fancy yourself as the fourth person of the Trinity ?

Freely available booze n drugs ?

Wowser tendencies ?

Reality TV.

Like Alex Jones and Fox ?

Decline in church attendance

Like Donald as a devout church attender ?

etc, etc , etc

LOL to smugness and hypocrisy
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January 8, 2018 1:07pm
- simpleton1
  
  “Fancy yourself as the fourth person of the Trinity ?”
  “Decline in church attendance”
  
  As a reader? “…….devout church attender ?”
  Deuteronomy 18:15-20
  18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put my words in the mouth of the prophet, who shall speak to them everything that I command.
  
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  January 8, 2018 1:27pm
- Digmen1
  
  I just gave what I thought are the reasons.
  I did not say I agreed with them.
  
  What are your reasons for the reason the UK is so sick and sad?
  
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  January 8, 2018 2:04pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Digmen1 , under the circumstances most seem cheerful including HM the Queen , HRH Prince Philip and the rest of the royal family .
    
    I’m afraid the Rule Britannia and hope and Glory BS has faded into the past
    
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    January 8, 2018 2:57pm
    - Jack5
      
      No-one on Kiwiblog mangles more metaphors, uses so many quaint Raj expressions, and ignores punctuation as much as the Stephiestani blogging team.
      
      A blend of Peter Sellers and Kipling, chained to a PC, compulsively, insanely trolling from dawn to dusk.
      
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      January 8, 2018 3:58pm
Johnboy

I bet all you lot thought that my Totem animal was a sheep?
Well it’s not! 🙂
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January 8, 2018 2:15pm
JasonJohns

Trump is a very stable genius.
Uptick if you agree.
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January 8, 2018 2:28pm
- Manolo
  
  Even our own stephieboy, bastion of the Muslim faith in NZ, is starting to agree with President Trump. A sight to behold.
  
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  January 8, 2018 2:44pm
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns , says whom ? other than Trump himself and his toady followers .Talk about deification
  
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  January 8, 2018 2:46pm
JasonJohns

Fire and Fury openly published despite Trump pointing out its lies and requestng through the courts it be stopped

who wants to bet against wolff and his publisher winding up in jail for defamation
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January 8, 2018 2:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jason Johns , I’m in on the bet that like Hillary they wont be locked up .
  
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  January 8, 2018 2:37pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    LOL Hillary’s already haflway to jail!
    
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    January 8, 2018 2:39pm
    - stephieboy
      
      JasonJohns , already half way to jail ?
      
      In what way ?
      
      https://www.vox.com/2017/11/3/16602182/trump-prosecute-hillary-clinton
      
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      January 8, 2018 2:42pm
      - Manolo
        
        Your idol, Crooked Hillary, is being investigated as we speak. Time will tell.
        
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        January 8, 2018 2:45pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo , mark my words Trump will be in the clink before Hillary ever gets near !
        
        You can’t convict some one on the basis of stupid conspiracy theories like Pizzagate etc, etc
        
        Nor your alleged forged birth certificate .
        
        LOL !
        
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        January 8, 2018 3:01pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        “stephieboy
        Manolo , mark my words Trump will be in the clink before Hillary ever gets near !”
        
        So please explain Stephie – what crime has Trump committed to warrant going to jail?
        Yet the investigation has been re-opened on Hilary – even Comey said she broke the law.
        
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        January 8, 2018 5:11pm
JasonJohns

As it becomes more and more obvious that President Trump will prevail; that he is the brilliant, benevolent, loving, heroic man we always knew him to be; and that the mass psychosis of his opponents will reveal itself for what it is, the psychotics are becoming increasingly hysterical!
It’s the mad panic of the delusional when Truth blasts through their delusions!

It’s always fascinating to watch. The delusional become increasingly insane, as their clutch on their delusions weakens and the delusions fail. Their hysterical pandemonium can be amusing–even funny–but it also tends to get dangerous. People will KILL to protect their delusions.
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January 8, 2018 2:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns Truth ?,I n terms of Truth the Ministry of Truth aka Orwell or the Truth Pilate asked Jesus and the latter declined to answer ?
  
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  January 8, 2018 2:40pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Apoligies for being a bit long, it is for a ‘reader’ 🙂
    
    Luke 22:67-70New International Version (NIV)
    67 “If you are the Messiah,” they said, “tell us.”
    
    Jesus answered, “If I tell you, you will not believe me, 68 and if I asked you, you would not answer. 69 But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God.”
    
    70 They all asked, “Are you then the Son of God?”
    
    He replied, “You say that I am.”
    ————–
    Mark 14:61-62New International Version (NIV)
    61 But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.
    
    Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
    
    62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
    ——————-
    Matthew 26:63-64New International Version (NIV)
    63 But Jesus remained silent.
    
    The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”
    
    64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
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    John 18:33-38New International Version (NIV)
    33 Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
    
    34 “Is that your own idea,” Jesus asked, “or did others talk to you about me?”
    
    35 “Am I a Jew?” Pilate replied. “Your own people and chief priests handed you over to me. What is it you have done?”
    
    36 Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.”
    
    37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
    
    And so Jesus was killed, for confirming this to the delusional crowd.
    
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    January 8, 2018 3:34pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      What’s the point of these quotes from the gospels, simpleton1 ?
      
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      January 8, 2018 5:14pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        He’s a God-botherer and can’t help himself.
        
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        January 8, 2018 5:26pm
      - nasska
        
        I thought you were into the fairy tale stuff Don. You haven’t even given him time for a hymn or two & a bit of organ music while he takes up a collection. 🙂
        
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        January 8, 2018 5:38pm
    - simpleton1
      
      “the Truth Pilate asked Jesus and the latter declined to answer?”
      
      An answer for stephieboy who has a callng to be a bible reader at a church. 🙂
      
      Don’t mind a collection nasska, but the hymns would make it too long.
      
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      January 8, 2018 6:16pm
JasonJohns

How about fztev ocusing on how many people think the universe came from nothing?
Or ask how many people think there is no free will, and that they can’t make real choices but think they are a determinate mechanical process.
Or ask how many do not believe that moral statements such as “torturing people to death for fun is wrong” can not be either true or false in an objective sense.Hope + Guess + Roll Dice = Yale professor of Psychiatry

It has become axiomatic that life naturally evolved out of nonliving materials billions of years agoOr ask how many people think that a collection of material things can have aseity (after you explain what aseity is of course).
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January 8, 2018 2:33pm
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns , I’ll hedge my bets that the Universe and earth were not created in seven days .
  
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  January 8, 2018 2:41pm
- big bruv
  
  Jason.
  I know you are a follower of the sky fairy but don’t tell me you’re one of the nutters who believe the world was created in six days?
  
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  January 8, 2018 5:33pm
Rodney Randall

https://shrsc.tal.net/vx/lang-en-GB/mobile-0/channel-1/appcentre-3/brand-5/xf-de2f7ff3c0fd/candidate/so/pm/6/pl/1/opp/772-Hate-Crime-Officer/en-GB?utm_source=Indeed&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=Indeed

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Hate Crime Officer – Derbyshire Police

Salary
£24813 – £26535

Description:
Ensure an effective and co-ordinated service to the Victims of Hate Crime who are vulnerable through age, gender, race or religion, sexual preference or disability. This role supports investigating officers by co-ordinating the response of the Police and appropriate partners to all cases of Hate Crime.

Did the UK dissapear up its areshole?
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January 8, 2018 2:55pm
- stephieboy
  
  Rodney Randall , I take it you believe hate crime is not such a bad thing after all ?
  
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  January 8, 2018 3:00pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Free speech exists, hate speech does not. Hate speech is censorship, the exact opposite of free speech. It’s like “Islamophobia”, completely made up to affect a political sea change.
    
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    January 8, 2018 3:32pm
  - stiglet
    
    Stephieboy, I hate you. I hate all the bullshit you spout. Is that a crime? Surely the crime only exists if the hate is expressed as action.
    
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    January 8, 2018 4:42pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  So were the perverse tragedies of the Rotherham sex abuse gangs, hate crimes or just widespread sexual emergencies?
  
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  January 8, 2018 3:33pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    seed funding
    
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    January 8, 2018 3:51pm
  - Harriet
    
    “…..So were the perverse tragedies of the Rotherham sex abuse gangs,…”
    
    Those muslims who are convicted for those offences get on average about 8 yrs – the most they get is about 12yrs. And rape by muslims in the UK is still a serious matter and still happening.
    
    However in NSW it is no longer a problem as Bil al Skaffe – the 21yld rape gang leader – was sentenced to 60yrs!!!!!!!! [it was reduced to 45 on appeal] —- and they raped only 4 or 5 girls from memory.
    England is gone gone gone – I posted yesterday a link that shows the UK civilians and senior police surrendering to muslims at every opportunity. Britain has never surrendered up until now.
    
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    January 8, 2018 4:47pm
Rodney Randall

More arrests because they broadened the scope of what a hate crime is. Add to that, people taking advantage of the fact they can go to the police any time they feel hurt or offended and lodge a formal complaint, the police have to respond, it’s their job. I’m sure they would rather be chasing drug dealers and locking up killers but the truth is that a lot of people are a sorry, pathetic bunch of china dolls who refuse to or are incapable of dealing with and being responsible for their own emotions. What a sad state of affairs.
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January 8, 2018 3:49pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  So let’s clarify; you can’t use language other than what the state deems acceptable and anyone can report anyone for “alleged” hate speech?
  Wasn’t this tried in the 20th century?
  
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  January 8, 2018 3:54pm
  - Harriet
    
    “….Wasn’t this tried in the 20th century?…”
    
    The Gold Coast is doing it in the 21st!
    
    http://www.news.com.au/sport/commonwealth-games/volunteers-told-to-use-genderneutral-words-to-avoid-causing-offence/news-story/ec04212fb6ffab7bb8da2262fb63c65e
    
    “We can avoid words like guys, girls, ladies and gentlemen, and instead use words like students, everyone, folks and all,” the handbook states, according to the Gold Coast Bulletin.
    
    He, She, Tomboy and Sissy has served mankind well where ‘gender’ is concerned, as it is very descriptive of the matter and without all of the confusion, and I see no need to change it. 😎
    
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    January 8, 2018 5:10pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Free speech is the safety valve of a civil society. Through free speech, members of communities seek to identify, discuss, reach consensus upon and ultimately solve problems within their communities.
  
  Attempting to clamp down on free speech is the same as suppressing the steam valve on the top of pressure cooker because you feel “triggered” by the hissing.
  
  If you want to remove the peoples’ ability to solve their own problems, you will attempt to prevent the public discussion of those problems.
  
  What kind of Big Government would want to dis-empower its citizens in this way?
  
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  January 8, 2018 5:43pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You are truly one of my favourite posters. Thanks
    
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    January 8, 2018 7:22pm
Digmen1

Lets hope the employ some one who charges all the Imams in their area for encouraging hate crime again the christian people of Britain.

Yeah right!
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January 8, 2018 3:53pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Religious texts are protected. Reading out/enthusiastically quoting ‘beat your wife’ is just hunky dory.
  
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  January 8, 2018 4:56pm
Jack5

The standard of trolling has fallen with the absence of Team Kea.
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January 8, 2018 4:08pm
- sooty
  
  I think ztevs trolling has been getting nastier lately. Whos filling in for her?
  
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  January 8, 2018 5:04pm
  - GazzaW
    
    H2?
    
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    January 8, 2018 7:01pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Really? I thought Kea was shite at trolling and great at fuck all… just an ego with one agenda and no sense of humour
  
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  January 8, 2018 6:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone scared by the prospect of former Prime Ministers who refuse to retire?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/08/mahathir-mohamad-92-to-lead-malaysia-opposition-bid-for-election-victory
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January 8, 2018 4:26pm
- Johnboy
  
  Auntie’s pretty fit. I reckon she could have a good forty years left in her apart from her teeth! 🙂
  
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  January 8, 2018 4:36pm
  - Manolo
    
    What about Peter?
    
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    January 8, 2018 4:54pm
Manolo

Deport the beasts:
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/teen-gang-deportation-plan-a-death-sentence-sudanese-leaders-warn/ar-BBHVSVZ?li=AAavLaF&ocid=spartandhp

A proposal to crack down on African street gangs by deporting offenders as young as 16 would effectively condemn them to “death sentences”, Sudanese community leaders have warned.
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January 8, 2018 4:44pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I’ve yet to find an MSM Australian site that allows comments. I have an inkling why…
  
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  January 8, 2018 4:59pm
- KH
  
  Deporting them is going to give them a problem. Yes, and ummm, tell me again what the problem is with that.
  
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  January 8, 2018 5:03pm
- Digmen1
  
  Deport them, and don’t allow any more Sudanese in.
  Do what Trump is doing.
  If one countries citizens causes problems ban the whole lot.
  “They are Australians” – Yeah right.
  
  Why should Australia have to spend time and money “working with them”
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Sexist BBC:

Gracie said that over the past four years the BBC has had four international editors – two men and two women – and the men earned at last 50% more than the women.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jan/07/bbcs-china-editor-carrie-gracie-resigns-in-protest-over-gender-pay-gap
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January 8, 2018 4:55pm
- Johnboy
  
  Wimmen are getting too stroppy these days Maggy. Not being prepared to turn it up for their Producers and Directors on the casting couch.
  Most of the chaps at the Bebe have no such scruples! 🙂
  
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  January 8, 2018 5:10pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Never fear Johnboy,
    you’ll never catch me wearing all black!
    http://farm1.static.flickr.com/75/204811235_357e16202c.jpg
    
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    January 8, 2018 5:31pm
    - lofty
      
      Is that you Maggy, you sexy thing you, I can see your toe..temptress…how exciting. ?
      Stephieboy will love this one.
      
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      January 8, 2018 7:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @lofty,
        on closer inspection, I don’t think that was me.
        Here I am on Kaiti Beach…. (I think).
        http://ivoh.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/My-Motherland.Beach_.-Hangama-Amiri-1-700×325.jpg
        
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        January 8, 2018 7:17pm
      - nasska
        
        Your incredible beauty is only surpassed by your peerless modesty Maggy. 🙂
        
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        January 8, 2018 7:21pm
      - lofty
        
        Oh Maggy, you are going to have to stop posting these sexy shots of you, I can picture you as sharp as Kodak.
        I am almost fizzing at the bung, along with my bff Stephieboy.
        
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        January 8, 2018 7:57pm
      - sooty
        
        Maggy. Thats a bit close to the water to erect the pup tent. After all with global warming etc, you may get wet.
        
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        January 8, 2018 8:15pm
    - Manolo
      
      Our own stephieboy, devout Muslim, almost fainted after seeing that photo. It is so exciting, he reckons.
      
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      January 8, 2018 7:20pm
- VicParking
  
  When were their experiance, qualifications and experiance. Show these are the samevand I’m with you on this.
  
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  January 8, 2018 5:44pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Maybe the male international editors earned more revenue for the BBC. Or maybe they were less agreeable and more skillful in negotiating their employment contracts.
  
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  January 8, 2018 5:47pm
big bruv

A highly recommended holiday read for those still not back at work is: ‘Legend’ by eric Blehm. It tells the story of the late Master Sergeant Roy Benavidez.
It is an amazing story.
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January 8, 2018 5:20pm
- GazzaW
  
  Thanks for the heads up big bruv. Just requested from the Auckland Library and there are copies available. The Auckland Library network is the single glowing success story of Auckland City Council.
  
  For those KBers who prefer to buy it is $11.49 from Kindle.
  
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  January 8, 2018 7:12pm
VicParking

Its alright to wear black at the goldern globes but a back doll is a nono?
Its alright if Snowflakes do it.
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January 8, 2018 5:41pm
nasska

From the Classifieds:

Islamic Marriage Course. 22-24 January. Book today & get a free Barbie Fairytale Playset for your wife.
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January 8, 2018 7:18pm
- stigie
  
  Be interesting to know what comes with the Barbie Fairytale Playset Nasska ole chap..?
  
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  January 8, 2018 7:32pm
  - nasska
    
    Alas she won’t come stigie. They get their clits pruned well before that stage.
    
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    January 8, 2018 7:35pm
Nostradamus

Volunteers told to use gender-neutral words to avoid causing offence

Volunteers for the Gold Coast Commonwealth Games have been told to use gender-neutral language to avoid causing offence.

The Games Shapers handbook, which has been handed to 15,000 volunteers and official staff and contractors instructs workers to avoid phrases like “ladies and gentlemen” and “boys and girls”. It also includes instructions to use the term parents instead of mother or father and partners, rather than husbands or girlfriends.
…
“We can avoid words like guys, girls, ladies and gentlemen, and instead use words like students, everyone, folks and all,” the handbook states, according to the Gold Coast Bulletin.

FFS – I thought the Commonwealth Games was an international sports event but, no, apparently it’s an opportunity for the PC zealots to push their agenda.
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January 8, 2018 7:40pm
- doggone7
  
  Going to be some really pissed off people when they announce the mens high jump, the women’s 100m freestyle and so on at the games.
  
  Differentiating the mens and women’s hockey will be a good challenge too. They can’t say hockey for those with penises and those without, just in case…
  
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  January 8, 2018 9:41pm
  - Harriet
    
    The 100m vagina final. 😎
    
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    January 9, 2018 6:36am
Maggy Wassilieff

Beware! The trees are out to get us.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/100410096/massive-tree-falls-on-rowing-crew-on-christchurchs-avon-river
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January 8, 2018 7:42pm
- itstricky
  
  Better build a wall to keep out the trees. Herd them all together and make them leave. And inspect them at the borders. They could be carrying cones, or something. The SIS also need to urgently tap their communication networks and watch for any signs of terrorist branches.
  
  https://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/trees-talk-each-other-and-recognize-their-offspring.html
  
  Hopefully they’re too trunk and won’t twig.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:30pm
nasska

WORLD RECORDS Women Part 2…..

Group Toilet Visit:

The record for the largest group of women to visit a toilet simultaneously is held by 147 workers from the Dept of Women’s Affairs at their annual knees-up at a nightclub in Wellington on 12th Oct 1994. Mrs. Beryl Crabtree got up to go to the toilet and was immediately followed by 146 other members of the party. Moving en masse the group entered the toilet at 9:52pm and after waiting for everyone to finish, emerged 2hrs 37mins later.

Car Parking:

The smallest kerbside space successfully reversed into by a woman, was one of 19.36m equivalent to three standard parking spaces, by Mrs.E.Simpkins (NZ) driving an unmodified Toyota Starlet on 12th October 1993. She started the manoeuvre at 11:15am in Kuripuni, Masterton & successfully
parked within three feet of the footpath 8 hours 14mins later. There was slight damage to the bumpers & mudguards of her own & the two adjoining cars, as well as a shop frontage & two lampposts.
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January 8, 2018 7:47pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  The smallest kerbside space successfully reversed into by a woman
  
  You’ll enjoy this video: Lads jeer then cheer at woman’s 15-minute attempt at parking car. (It’s impossible not to laugh out loud…)
  
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  January 8, 2018 7:58pm
  - nasska
    
    Mrs Nasska is similarly troubled Nostra. Any helpful advice I may offer seems to get her more flustered & usually ends up with her telling me to park the fucking thing myself.
    
    I’m challenged to figure out how a normally sane & competent, easy-going sweetheart can’t reverse her tiny little Corolla into a park that would accommodate a stock truck & trailer but there we have it. 🙂
    
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    January 8, 2018 8:09pm
    - stigie
      
      To all you readers out there, i reckon Nasska is telling porkies, it wasn’t a wee Corolla, it was more likely to be a great big fucking D Series truck !~
      
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      January 8, 2018 8:31pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You should have heard Mr Waggles at the Green waste depot today..
      
      “That’s the last time I’m bringing a trailer of your garden rubbish to dump”
      
      Me: “But you managed to back into that space without too much difficulty, dear.”
      
      Waggles : “I’m not doing it again.”
      
      Me: “We should have bought a truck then instead of the trailer.”
      
      Waggles: “yeah”.
      
      So – one near new trailer going cheap … and I’m on the lookout for a cute little dump truck.
      
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      January 8, 2018 9:20pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        I’m on the lookout for a cute little dump truck
        
        Your friend William of Ockham may be willing to sell you his dump truck (the one he uses to pour compost over GD threads) for a fair price!
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’d want to check the fuel lines before I purchased.
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/06/fuel-app-aims-to-save-pilot-lives.html
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:44pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        the dramatic beach landing of a Jabiru microlight at Martin’s Bay
        
        William blotted his logbook with this one: Double trouble! Light plane crashes twice on New Zealand beach
        
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        January 8, 2018 9:56pm
EAD_TWO

Here is an interesting video that some viewers might help clear some fog from their eyes.

It is a short clip from the Israeli equivalent of “60 minutes” called “Up Close” in which Barbara Lerner Spectre (who runs a government-funded Jewish think tank in Sweden) calls for the destruction of homogeneous European nations and admits that the Jews will playing the leading role in turning Europe “Multicultural”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ

Lerner Spectre exact words in the video on Israeli National TV are:

“I think there is a resurgence of anti-Semitism because at this point in time Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies they once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the centre of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode and Jews will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.”

straight from the horses mouth……..
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January 8, 2018 8:02pm
- itstricky
  
  calls for the destruction of homogeneous European nations and admits that the Jews will playing the leading role in turning Europe “Multicultural”.
  
  That’s a very liberal interpretation of what she said. I did not realise you were so liberal.
  
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  January 8, 2018 8:24pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2018/01/04/71079/mps-private-passions-golriz-ghahramans-purl-of-a-hobby

“Our politicians aren’t shy about displaying their passions in the debating chamber – but what is it that excites them when they’re off the clock?”

“Contribute to Newsroom and support quality NZ journalism” ha!

Jesus, I kind of feel sorry for her.
Clearly some issues up stairs as repeatedly reported on other forums.

Nothing against knitting, if it helps with the ‘centering’… away from the left

Wonder if she chews benzos?
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January 8, 2018 8:16pm
- Gabby
  
  What’s your hobby Roddinnee?
  
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  January 9, 2018 8:52am
Left Right and Centre

Random rant . . .

Americans are weird.
What is a Big Mac ? Is it a sandwich ? A farking **sandwich** ?? It’s a bloody hamburger eh. HAMBURGER !!

Ok, ok . . . it’s meat in bread – open to debate, but this next one ain’t.

Freakin’ **c-a-a-a-a-sh money**. WTF ??

Yes, that’s right. ‘Cashmoney’. They are farked in the ‘headskull’. I wouldn’t care so much but young kiwi morons won’t be happy until all NZ banknotes (while they exist) say ‘cashmoney’ and we all celebrate Thanksfuckinggiving. I’ll thank them all to foxtrot oscar. Over and out.
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January 9, 2018 5:24am
Manolo

The politics of entertainment…or viceversa.
http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/08/media/oprah-golden-globes/index.html

Oprah Winfrey is “actively thinking” about running for president, two of her close friends told CNN Monday.
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January 9, 2018 6:44am
Manolo

A lesson on how to demolish a hack:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/367803-tapper-cuts-off-heated-interview-with-miller
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January 9, 2018 6:47am
softail 1450

who would have guessed ,William of Ockham a tweaker, posting at 2.30am this morning FFS.
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January 9, 2018 7:43am
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  He wants his post to last as long as possible, so he gets up when no one is around.
  
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  January 9, 2018 8:05am
Left Right and Centre

When Wally and Hugh Morris approached the corporation in 1974 to bring McDonald’s into New Zealand, they were firmly shunned by Kroc, citing a visit to the country and saying “There aren’t any people… I never met a more dead-than-alive hole in my life.” Persistence by the brothers eventually led to their request being granted in May 1975.

Ray Kroc – early Mcdonald’s boss calling NZ a hole in the 70’s. All class. Rejected by McDonald’s – initially at least – for not crossing the ‘hole’ threshold.

I’ll add that to the list of reasons I don’t spend the first ten cents there and wouldn’t care if they folded tomorrow.
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January 9, 2018 8:08am
softail 1450

L R C,the food is shite,all of it ,you’d get more nutrition from spreading mayonnaise on cardboard and chomping it down .
they would have cost our country billions of dollars in medical/hospital expenses since they bought the crap here.
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