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flipper

The Washington Post has this weekend gathered a basket of published European garbage on Trump. This has been their initial follow up to the bedtime stories authored by one M Woolf, a second-rate writer of fiction. Woolf has a reputation as a fabricator (he admits to conflating his views with those he attributes to others) and writer of second rate fiction. The statements Woolf attributes to persons of note (Tony Blair, for example … not forgetting his claimed interviews with Trump) have been categorically denied by them,

Having failed with a 20-16 – 2017 Russian conspiracy narrative, and then the obstruction (yes, I know that BS is continuing) narrative, an economic and stock market collapse, nay demolition narrative, and a long-distance psycho narrative, the MSM and some others have now seized upon Woolf’s garbage as a new “truth”. Why garbage? Because within three or four days Woolf’s claims have been proven to be false, and attributed to his imagination.

As other have noted, this is a classic repeat of the Reagan and Dubya Bush narratives pushed by the “superior” East and West coast “intelligentsia”.

It is amazing how a simple typo/finger glitch (cafefe?) can be twisted by some MSM people to assail Trump but were the stumble fingers his or those of his social media director? Of course, in a NZ context, it could be asked:

Will the same standard be applied to our politicians?
Is Ardern (still) sane?
Is Peters (still) sane?
Is there a black hole in Robertson’s “budget” figures?
Is the Peters-Arden Regime a legitimate Government?

Those, names transposed, are the sort of questions posed and answered by the establishment US media in respect of the Trump administration.
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Fairfax seems to have an editorial stance, both in NZ and Australia, that is noteworthy for its anti Trump bias. Of course, that is presented in many ways….. like the use of equally pejorative European MSM opinion.

The problem (for their narrative) is that all the ranting and raving by the MSM will not change the fact that the world relies on a vibrant US economy (about 25% of the total World economy) for growth and for the last three quarters it has exceeded anything that Obama’s Harvard mob achieved in eight years.
A 4% growth rate, unemployment now consistently at 4.1 %, massive deregulation, rubbishing of back breaking CE (climate evolution) garbage, and more than 60 increases in the Dow to a record 25000+ in the past year. That is what Trump promised and has delivered.

Ergo, New Zealand (Ardern, Peter and Poofie) needs to note that there is no failed capitalist economic system. There is, in fact, a need for less Government regulation, taxation, transfer payments and intervention ….. and more economic freedom.

It is time for the media children to bin their pencils and face the world as it is – not as they would wish it to be. And those same folks might come to the realisation that Trump is a properly elected leader. In NZ we have one apparent leader ordained by Peters. Germany (read NZ) is having another election because Merkel (read English) could not get the total support he needed. The voters did not vote for Ardern. They did not vote for a Peters Government. They did not vote for political vaudeville as inflicted by Peters. Not by a long, long way. Denial of that destroys MSM credibility. It is no use crying “voted for change”. The fact is that substantially more voted for English et al than for Ardern,

But back to Trump. He won fair and square under a long established Presidential election formula. Trying to re-write the system and the result post November 8, 2016 is just silly.

The flood of published rubbish about Trump has gone well beyond being silly. It is a clear example of their collective mental illness – not that of Trump!
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January 7, 2018 7:55am
- Simon
  
  Trump will be very good for Americans and for the rest of the world. This makes him very dangerous for the left and the political establishment
  
  As living standards increase and the culture war is being won by the right the attacks on Trump will become shiller and shiller.
  
  The longer Trump is prez the worst he makes Obama looks. After Trump people will go we never want to go back to left wing turds like Obama and their systems of government
  
  The same in NZ. With America flying we will look at the trash running NZ and say we deserve a better system
  Trump threatens to end the Keyanisan Marxist State. That’s why he is hated so much.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:25am
- kowtow
  
  Libya , Yemen , Syria .
  
  Which “sane” politicians created or exploited those monumental fuck ups.
  
  Europe being inundated with Muslim ,African illegal immigration , which “sane” politicians allowed that?
  
  And the media’s response , Trump , Trump, Trump.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:41am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Which politician supported the bombing of Libya and the origin of these monumental …, – namely Iraq invasion 2003 ?
    
    Trump, Trump , Trump !
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      https://www.salon.com/2016/03/02/even_critics_understate_how_catastrophically_bad_the_hillary_clinton_led_nato_bombing_of_libya_was/
      
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      January 7, 2018 9:55am
      - Jack5
        
        Yep, and that has led to the African invasion across the Mediterranean to Europe.
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:00am
      - sam green
        
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        Just waiting for you to point out the gay slur in flipper’s above comment Maggy.
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:11am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @sam green
        
        It had already been pointed out by Biscuit at 8:44am.
        
        I only got to sit down for my morning T at 9:50am and had my first look at Kiwiblog.
        
        I will try and be on deck earlier tomorrow for you.
        I am sorry that I will not be able to monitor this blog for the rest of the day as I have a few chores awaiting in the garden.
        Do you think you can cope?
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:22am
      - sam green
        
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        Yes but can you?
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:28am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Undoubtedly
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:30am
      - cmm
        
        “Yep, and that has led to the African invasion across the Mediterranean to Europe.”
        
        And slave markets in newly re-Islammed Libya.
        
        You can say what you like about Obama, but he clearly doesn’t give a shit about black people.
        
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        January 7, 2018 6:02pm
    - softail 1450
      
      another streppieboy straight faced lie.
      
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      January 8, 2018 7:03am
- Biscuit
  
  Flipper, some good points.
  
  But why, oh why, did you have to comment on Grant Robertson’s sexual orientation in such a snide manner?
  
  Have a downtick.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:44am
  - softail 1450
    
    biscuit ,honestly ,that word could be used to describe half the labour caucus .
    how could you automatically think he was referring to Robertson? a bit of bias on your side I suspect..
    
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    January 7, 2018 8:51am
    - Biscuit
      
      Erm, no, softail.
      
      He’d already brought Robertson’s name in earlier on in his post.
      
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      January 7, 2018 8:59am
      - igm
        
        Who cares what is said about Fat Fairy, he is a gross and evil homo activist and is not worthy of any support.
        
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        January 7, 2018 3:44pm
- Longknives
  
  Well written Flipper!
  I like Trump even more now that the Media has lost their shit over them..
  
  Speaking of losing their shit-
  https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/8086032/billie-joe-armstrong-trump-instagram
  
  Billie Joe used to threaten Bush supporters and compare him to Hitler as well. I’m guessing maybe he is a Democrat??
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:49am
- MCos
  
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  Ardern is the PM because that’s the way the cookie crumbled in NZ.
  Every day here on Kiwiblog people rant on about how useless Peters & NZF are, but if he’d swung in behind English there would have been no calls for the Dipton Kid to reject his advances.
  Similarly Trump supporters are not calling for a change to their system.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:33am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Bull MCos, before the coalition talks had even begun many of us on KB were stating National shouldn’t have anything to do with the toxic Peters. Blindingly obvious to any idiot that Peters is incapable of going the distance with any partner. On past performances he will throw his toys out of the cot during the CoL’s term.
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:13am
- Jack5
  
  Not to overlook the State television corporation, TVNZ, day after day in its main news bulletin (6pm), relentlessly attacking and ridiculing Trump.
  
  It’s a chance for the TV staff to vent their political biases.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:57am
- tf78
  
  Flipper you will have all the snowflakes in a flap – well done you!
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:01am
- Liberty
  
  Will the same standard be applied to our politicians?
  Is Ardern (still) sane?
  
  Yes but out of her depth .
  
  Is Peters (still) sane?
  
  You can be sane yet still be a doddering old fool
  
  Is there a black hole in Robertson’s “budget” figures?
  
  Yes a big one. Time will show Joyce is correct.
  
  Is the Peters-Arden Regime a legitimate Government?
  
  Yes but only because of a MMP technicality.
  Which is not the same as a populist majority
  
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  January 7, 2018 11:47am
- Gabby
  
  He’s a fruitcake nutjob frigger, ass fissure.
  
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  January 7, 2018 4:24pm
Manolo

Selling smoke by the kilo. Isn’t he wonderful?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-dont-misled-making-money-career-life-105034748.html

Pope Francis on Saturday advised against making the pursuit of money, a career or success the basis for one’s whole life, urging in his Epiphany remarks to also resist “inclinations toward arrogance, the thirst for power and for riches.”
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January 7, 2018 7:58am
- Digmen1
  
  Maybe people could become muslim imams, they seem to do nothing all day.
  
  The pope has a bad influence on the western world.
  He is as bad as Merkel.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:08am
  - Manolo
    
    Yes, the old Argentinian socialist and Peronist is a bad apple indeed.
    
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    January 7, 2018 8:12am
- Inandout
  
  Isn’t the Vatican a splendid example of pure opulence, and being walled in is safe from Muslims.
  
  ‘The Vatican Bank manages $64 billion of assets on behalf of its 17,400 customers, according to a Dec. 5, 2014, article in International Business Times . The bank owns $764 million in equity. The bank keeps gold reserves worth over $20 million with the U.S. Federal Reserve.Jul 24, 2015.’
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:42am
- Longknives
  
  As a Catholic I can honestly say-
  The current Pope is a Twat.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:43am
  - holysheet
    
    Only the current one?
    
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    January 7, 2018 8:52am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Longknives , a devoutCatholic I trust ? Like Trump a devout Christian !
    
    LOL
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:54am
  - Gabby
    
    No you can’t lungnuts. As a vile apostate you can say what the fuck you like.
    
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    January 7, 2018 4:26pm
    - Brito
      
      Were you touched inappropriately by a priest/family member/boyfriend or something? Need a cuddle?
      
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      January 7, 2018 5:27pm
- Huevon
  
  Empty platitudes, socialist claptrap.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:44am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Another one who hasn’t recovered from Winnie’s decision to go with Labour .
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:55am
Brito

Love this comment on Stuff.

“Yeah, climate change is a myth. Dumb. A heatwave in eastern Australia and a very cold front in US is not a coincidence.”

Absolutely right! It isn’t a coincidence…one’s called summer and one’s called winter.
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January 7, 2018 8:07am
- Digmen1
  
  And together they are called Weather!
  
  We have had heatwaves in Austral for as long as I can remember.
  It they get really cold snaps and heavy snow in the eastern USA every few years!
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:13am
  - Liberty
    
    “And together they are called Weather!”
    
    Weather has got nothing to do with the Global warming according to warming apologist .
    It is all about Climate and they are not connected.
    Just as Volcanos pumping out co2 for millions of years and earth’s position to the sun
    Also has nothing to do with the warmest theory.
    The reason why Volcanoes and sun position are not included is because it makes the theory look very dodgy.
    
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    January 7, 2018 12:12pm
  - oldgolfer
    
    Too true. A Big hint was in the news that the 47deg recorded at
    Penrith was hottest for 80 years.
    
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    January 8, 2018 3:55am
- stephieboy
  
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  Brito , a feature of climate change / global warming which includes extreme weather events that Climate deniers are too thick to comprehend !
  
  These extreme and unusual weather patterns have got to be good for the planet ?
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:58am
  - Harkman
    
    That 20,000th post is coming, which means only one thing, a thumbs down extravaganza. I better get some practice in early.
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:29am
  - Peter
    
    Brito , a feature of climate change / global warming which includes extreme weather events that Climate deniers are too thick to comprehend !
    
    “Extreme” compared to what time period? Please explain your reasoning for selecting the benchmark.
    
    There is someone here too thick to comprehend the very basics….
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:45am
  - Brito
    
    Nobody is denying the concept of climate change stephie. I think the debate is about the effect of human impact on climate which is up for debate.
    
    Last year Saudi Arabia sat at 50C+ for quite some time. It does that. When I lived in Sydney the summer temperature regularly hit 40C+. When I was leaving to go offshore with the Airforce (early 69) I think the temperature was 40C in Canterbury.
    
    Cycles and patterns. The tar always ran into the gutters, the road metal always clattered against the wheel guards. The summers were bloody hot, hotter than they have been for years. It snowed a hell of a lot more back then too.
    
    The winter of 1978 in the US was a doozy. It wasn’t as concentrated as this one (Eastern seaboard) it was everywhere. I was there for a few months and the old timers kept talking about it being like the snow that fell during the war.
    
    Stats don’t tell the whole story. Much is lost from memory.
    
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    January 7, 2018 4:13pm
    - Gabby
      
      You was everywhere Bitcho. You ubiquitous or sutin?
      
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      January 7, 2018 4:28pm
      - Brito
        
        Just older than you Gobby.
        
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        January 7, 2018 4:56pm
    - gump
      
      The temperature was officially measured at 47.3 degrees in Penrith today – which makes today the hottest recorded temperature in Sydney since records began.
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11971044
      
      As far as I understand, there’s no serious debate about whether there is a human impact on the global climate. The only real debate is how to deal with it.
      
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      January 7, 2018 7:57pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And then the Bureau of Meteorology realised they had better check their records properly….
        
        However, the NSW BOM tweeted just after 4:00pm that they had missed a temperature in the north-western Sydney suburb of Richmond, at a now closed recording station.
        
        The 1939 high was 47.8C.
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-07/sydney-hits-its-highest-temperature-recorded-in-79-years/9309552
        So, Sydney had a higher temp 79 years ago…. back when there was less asphalt, concrete, etc. and of course, a lower atmospheric CO2 level.
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:24pm
      - axeman
        
        Reminds me of the US Maggy. More than 40% of their all time record temperatures where set in …. the 1930s
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:42pm
- GazzaW
  
  I had a greeny comment to me yesterday about all of these king tides happening across the world this week. He looked at me is if I was insane when I suggested that tides were controlled by the moon. Such are the intellects (or lack of) that we are dealing with.
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:02am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Priceless.
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:23am
  - Albert_Ross
    
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    You are obviously more intelligent and better informed than that idiotic person.
    
    Do you also claim to be more intelligent and better informed than the majority of the world’s climate scientists?
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:25am
    - All_on_Red
      
      I’m sure even the worlds Climate Scientists understand about King Tides
      ‘King tides are simply the very highest tides. They are naturally occurring, predictable events. Tides are the movement of water across Earth’s surface caused by the combined effects of the gravitational forces exerted by the Moon, Sun, and the rotation of Earth which manifest in the local rise and fall of sea levels.’
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_tide
      
      You’re so fucking dumb Albert. You and that moron Stephie.
      
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      January 7, 2018 11:00am
      - cha
        
        You can’t explain that!.
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:13am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , like MW very fanciful of you !
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:54am
      - All_on_Red
        
        You a Climate Denier Stephie?
        Hey, Im back at work soon. That printer will be busy
        Dear Reverend Father John..
        Just imagine the look on his face when he sees what you say!!!
        LOL
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        For those folks with limited knowledge of our tides
        https://www.niwa.co.nz/natural-hazards/physical-hazards-affecting-coastal-margins-and-the-continental-shelf/storm-tide-red-alert-days-2018/High-tide-red-alert-calendar
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:49pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red ,
        
        from yesterday William of Ockham
        
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        BREAKING NEWS
        Auckland Council reassures residents, gives lead to other councils
        
        Residents were informed today that water that swamped their properties is not real.
        
        Professors All_Red_Herrings and Waggy WaffleLeaf, self-anointed experts on climate change, said the hundreds of cubic kilometres of ice on Greenland and Antarctica is melting into imaginary water. “It’s purely in the minds of scientists,” they reported on Kiwiblog.
        
        “Denial is the best way to avoid reality,” they continued, “The Royal Society, National Academy of Sciences, American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Physical Society, American Chemical Society … none of these has the right to endorse the science from 60,000 scientists publishing papers on man-made climate change.”
        
        “Fortunately the Brothers Koch and other billionaires in the fossil fuel industry are financing useful idiots to counter this appalling lapse in judgement, the absolute abandonment of the scientific method.”
        
        Pollster David Farrar added, “It’s imperative we get National back into power. Conservatives understand if we stop funding the science the problem will go away.”
        
        LOL !
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:50pm
    - Brito
      
      So you are a tide denier…surely not???
      
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      January 7, 2018 11:01am
      - starboard
        
        Have you seen his tide mark? ?
        
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        January 7, 2018 3:33pm
      - Brito
        
        Starboard, a tide is a bit like you in Thailand.
        
        In, out, in, out…
        
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        January 7, 2018 4:59pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Gazza W purely anecdotal claptrap it seems . A very imaginative mind making things up on the go I suspect .
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:52am
    - GazzaW
      
      You’re really starting to excel yourself stephie but you can rest assured that I am not telling porkies. Unlike some of your ilk who play fast and loose with the facts on KB.
      
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      January 7, 2018 5:26pm
  - Liberty
    
    Maybe your Little green man lives on the flat side?
    
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    January 7, 2018 12:27pm
  - GoVege
    
    I had that reaction from a midwife once, when I tried to explain to her how women’s menstrual cycle is the same as the moon’s.
    And they let these twits take care of women in childbirth…..
    
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    January 7, 2018 2:28pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Let’s not get started on stuff commenters . . .
  
  Half of them can’t read, can’t write, school a total waste of time – have some very odd ideas about life and are just generally insufferable little weak-minded fucking morons.
  
  And then there’s the bottom 50% . . .
  
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  January 7, 2018 5:11pm
  - oldgolfer
    
    Reading Stuff makes them immediately suspect.
    
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    January 8, 2018 3:56am
Sofia

The Guardian UK mentions two literary disputes that may be of interest to compare outcomes as they develop.

1 – French publisher Gallimard says it will publish 1930s pamphlets by Louis-Ferdinand Céline, who called for extermination of Jews

2 – The French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo, which sparked controversy and legal complaints after publishing cartoons of Muhammad, will this week release a special edition illustrated biography of the Muslim prophet.

Well, it may be of mild interest to see how each project fairs.
That is if either is accurately reported without too much bias.
Like: how can the Guardian run an article of reasonable length on Charlie Hebdo, mention the 2011 fire-bombing of the magazine’s offices but omit the 2015 shooting massacre?
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January 7, 2018 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  I get a daily email from the Guardian which I peruse and then delete. It is so comical to read their abject left wing slant.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:44am
- kowtow
  
  Speaking of Hebdo the Torygraph have a story on its imminent demise.
  
  But they too are talking shite.
  
  ” Nearly four million people marched through Paris days later under the banner “Je Suis Charlie”, and David Cameron and other world leaders joined the march and the slogan became a global rallying cry for supporters of free speech.”
  
  The pollies who marched are hypocrites who have all passed or support anti free speech laws.
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/06/three-years-charlie-hebdo-terror-attacks-satirical-magazine/
  
  “On January 1st the Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz (network enforcement act) came into force. Germans are furiously debating whether it is a necessary tool against hate speech or a form of censorship.
  The far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) have already felt the consequences of the new law – two of their MPs have had their Twitter accounts blocked. But they aren’t alone. The satirical magazine Titanic was also unable to use Twitter for two days starting Wednesday, after it posted a tweet satirizing the AfD.”
  
  https://www.thelocal.de/20180105/is-a-new-german-law-encouraging-social-media-giants-to-censor-opinions
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:11am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Yes, on the 1st of January the law censored two AfD representatives on its very first day: Twitter censored Alice Weidel and Beatrix von Storch for saying the wrong thing. Currently only ‘withheld in Germany’, so have a look at what they actually said (criticism of so called ‘refugees’) and decide whether that should simply be censored without even being tested in court.
    
    Alice Weidel, btw. is an economics and business expert and a lesbian. The AfD is falsely called ‘far right’ by the MSM.
    
    It would be fun if they played the victim card as women and a lesbian – hit the Far Left where it hurts. But I think those ladies are above that.
    
    Watch out people, this is the kind of law the Far Left love. NZ is not safe from it.
    
    Germany is now a fascist state again. One really can’t see this censorship any other way. Their fear of fascism has led them right back into it.
    
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    January 7, 2018 2:37pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Women and gays sit below Muslims on the Left’s victim pyramid. So all is as it should be and as such, these lower victims are not entitled to any “defence”.
      
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      January 7, 2018 2:43pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        So it seems in western Europe now. But this is serious shit, and we’re barely hearing a word about it in NZ.
        
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        January 7, 2018 2:59pm
- stephieboy
  
  Sofia , I take it is about publishing what is deemed offensive material towards Jews and Muslims .
  
  I can assure MSM Guardian covered the 2015 shooting massacre extensively which the article was not apparently considering .
  
  Are you thick or is it something else ?
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:02am
  - calendar girl
    
    It’s a new year, stephieboy. Why can’t you just leave the spontaneous, gratuitous abuse behind you? Sofia’s comment at 8:09 did not warrant your snide, personal attack.
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:00am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Especially since Stephie tells us all he is a Christian
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_24_december_2017.html#comment-2105623
      Looks like he will be speaking on the 28th at St Albans too.
      Perhaps Sofia should go and introduce herself?
      Wonder how brave he would be then.
      
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      January 7, 2018 11:10am
      - stephieboy
        
        tick, tock , tick ,tock .. Time running out, sunshine
        
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        January 7, 2018 12:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Time running out for what Pervert?
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:50pm
      - GazzaW
        
        We assume that time is running out for you to hit ‘send’ AOR.
        
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        January 7, 2018 5:32pm
Happychappy

I wonder who Jacinda left the responsible of the control of our country with over the last week with Winston in the Islands for Shane Jones wedding. The poor people in the Bay of Plenty would feel let down after their flooding and roads being partially wiped out with no Prime Minister or Deputy there to assure them that the Government will pour the resources into having them fixed as soon as the weather allows.
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January 7, 2018 8:14am
- Longknives
  
  I don’t think Little Miss ‘I once worked in a Fish and Chip Shop’ has quite realised that being Prime Minister is a full time ‘grown-ups’ job! And that she has commitments and responsibilities..
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:45am
  - namron
    
    It has been very noticeable that Jacinda’s swanning around on the Gold Coast is far more enjoyable than showing any interest and concern for the difficulties and problems caused by the recent weather events.
    Looks like all of those commenters who have said “she’s not my PM” were right after all!!
    namron
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:13am
    - Gabby
      
      She plays golf doesn’t she nawmee.
      
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      January 7, 2018 5:06pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    Longknives, like the former PM’s regular Christmas / New Year vacations to his crib in Hawaii ?
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:05am
- waikatogirl
  
  Morning Happychappy, I asked a similar question yesterday regarding the flooding of the whole village of Kaiawa and damaged roading in Thames. Is Cindy going to visit? Who is in charge while our PM Select is on holiday? This is not like being in the opposition over the Christmas/NY break. Cindy, Winnie, Kelvin, Robbo and the gang can’t all be on holiday when the country has a crisis.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:47am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Cindy fiddles while North Island floods!
    
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    January 7, 2018 8:52am
    - holysheet
      
      If we really thought her presence was a good thing then think again. How many of those people in Kaiawa would want to see those chompers flashing in the distance. What good would her presence do anyone? I suppose she could pop into the fish shop there and show them how to sell salt.
      
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      January 7, 2018 8:57am
      - RF
        
        Cindy Cindy where art thou my leader.
        
        Off playing with her Barbie dolls or playing Doctors & Nurses with lover boy.
        
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        January 7, 2018 9:05am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Do a set at a fund raising disco
        
        I can hardly wait!
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:37am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Closed until 24th January sign is up from this ‘government’ a lot like a lot of the local fish and chip shops around here
      
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      January 7, 2018 8:59am
  - kowtow
    
    You really want her there , pointing to “evidence” of “global warming” and getting worked up about generational change all the while planning to tax us to hold back the oceans?
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:15am
  - ztev
    
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    Heres your answer
    “I haven’t planned to go yet because I just don’t want to get in the way of the clean up ……”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/69580529/states-of-emergency-remain-in-drenched-lower-north-island
    
    Was that 2015 ?. Its only bad when labour does it
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:24am
    - niggly
      
      Ztev – why do you selectively quote – do you think people can’t read the full article? C’mon you’re better than that!
      
      To answer your question that’s because at that time (in 2015) the Ministers of Civil Defence, Social Development and Primary Industries would be visiting instead.
      
      Contrast to this week in 2018 where the fk is Chris Faafoi, the Labour Govt Minister for Civil Defence? Nevermind visiting, he hasn’t even been on the news! Is he still on holiday too?
      
      Or is he still caught like a possum in the headlights and can’t move like the rest of Labour – “OMG we didn’t expect to win but now we have become the Govt thanks to Winnie the traitor … umm help what do I actually do now”?
      
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      January 7, 2018 9:43am
      - niggly
        
        Oh and where is Carmel Sepuloni, Minister for Social Development? Alot of these hotels make their entire year’s income over these few summer weeks and now they are stuffed due to water damage and infrastructure damage!
        
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        January 7, 2018 9:50am
      - GazzaW
        
        Fair do people and let’s give Labour a break on this. Anyone who watched TV One news last night saw a fully suited Twyford make an announcement of major national significance.
        
        Cats and dogs will now be permitted in state houses.
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:12am
      - ztev
        
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        So where is the state of emergency for the last two days ?
        Anywhere ?
        Even Thames Coromandel says Current status Medium
        https://www.tcdc.govt.nz/Thames-Valley-Emergency-Management/
        
        half a days work will make the road passable again.
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:22am
      - Paulus
        
        Faafoi is waiting for Heather to tell him what to do.
        And she is is on holiday.
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:07am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      “…. because I just don’t want to get in the way of the clean up ……”
      
      yeah – she might get chucked into the bin. 🙂
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:48am
  - geoff3012
    
    Kelvin will turn up next week. He’s been practicing his speech since last Wednesday.
    
    Should have a grip on it by next Tuesday.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:48am
    - ztev
      
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      Paula didnt exactly cover herself in glory over the ‘knocking on car windows of homeless’ story.
      The Salvation Army sorted that one by denying it ever happened!
      “In the past few days, the Government and a government agency have made statements saying MSD officials accompanied Salvation Army personnel to visit homeless people living in Bruce Pulman Park in South Auckland.
      These statements are incorrect.”
      What was Paula thinking- thats an easy answer though.
      
      http://www.salvationarmy.org.nz/research-media/media-centre/media-releases/south-auckland-homeless-visit-correction
      
      What was Kevs problem compared to Paulas telling the truth problem.
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:29am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Gazza, I actually agree with Twitford on pets for some State tenants who are responsible owners in need of company, etc. They have to apply to have a suitable dog or cat as a pet.
      
      Individual applications allow HNZ to deny or remove unsuitable dogs, dangerous, aggressive or barking incessantly.
      
      My query is on cost. It is expensive to care for a pet. If they are on a low income can they afford a pet, or does WINZ allow for pets with a little extra in their benefit?
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:33am
      - GazzaW
        
        I’m right with you on this WG. I just found it quite ironic that Twyford could rouse himself from his break to comment on what is really a minor issue whilst those responsible for handling civil emergencies can’t be bothered to even make comment about providing Governmental support if it’s required. Politics is all about perception and the perception on the flooding is that the Government doesn’t give a stuff.
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:02am
      - Digmen1
        
        They also damage the walls and the carpets of those houses that we own.
        And how many of them will be Pit Bulls?
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:12am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        We hear that a dog is ‘unsuitable’ once it has seriously injured someone though, often a child. I don’t trust the state or council to judge and control what dogs are suitable before more serious injuries happen.
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:23am
      - waikatogirl
        
        How often does Twitford get a positive sound bite Gazza! Of course he could find 2 minutes out of his holiday to announce his feel good HNZ pet scheme to a reporter.
        
        Did the reporter ask about how many houses he had completed under his watch?! ?
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:45am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Didn’t you see the cute little toy dogs they showed on the clip Classic Liberal. All a bit of a snow job.
        
        Each tenant has to apply to have a suitable dog, but as you say, who knows until it attacks someone. Of course, along with the good tenants’ there are all those deadbeats who also inhabit state housing who will definitely take time out to “apply” to keep a mongrel dog – yes, yes, they will!
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:51am
      - KevinH
        
        My evening walk takes me through a west Auckland state house suburb and I estimate that every second house has a large unregistered dog that barks and snarls as I walk pass.
        Over the holiday period I have come close to being attacked about three times due largely to a lack of supervision of these large dogs and owners leaving gates open allowing the dogs a chance to attack.
        I have addresses and will advise HNZ accordingly.
        
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        January 7, 2018 12:21pm
      - ztev
        
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        Surely you would remember kevinh, that ‘state house suburbs’ are not all state houses after a certain type of government sold some off !
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:02pm
      - Liberty
        
        The true cost of owning a dog is around $1000 a year
        When you take fencing , food, vets , registration into account.
        State housing is highly subsidised .
        Life is living on struggle street.
        Like clockwork in January/Feb Stuff will do a cry of the week story on how
        Some destitute family can’t afford school uniforms. And pay school fees.
        If you can afford a dog you can afford to live in the real world.
        If you are living in a state subsidized rental.
        Owning a dog should be the last of your priorities.
        
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        January 7, 2018 2:13pm
      - Gabby
        
        They might have figured out that good mental health is cheaper. Wakkos are expensive.
        
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        January 7, 2018 5:09pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Why would you be out enjoying yourself when you are paid to Govern our Country, that means being around when earthquakes, floods or any other major happenings occur. The Prime Minister is supposed to be a leader not a bystander and should be here to install confidence in what procedures need to happen when fixing what damage has occurred. So is this the start of the we come first attitude that Labour always portrays and will the affected be left to fend for themselves while our Leader plays the media of another Country to further her schoolgirl image.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:52am
    - niggly
      
      Breaking news – leaked text conversation:
      
      JA to WP: Winnie as PM I’m rather busy, umm have important business to do with Clarke on the Gold Coast, umm it’ll make sense in 9 months, I mean it’s now or never, oh nevermind, look here my deputy I have a very important task for you to do, could you please break your holiday in Raro early and get back to NZ pronto, to the Coromandel and deputise for me? The people need us!
      
      WP to JA: Hang on a minute, does that mean actually meeting people, rural type people, the ones we shafted by saying we had their back last September?
      
      JA to WP: Does it matter? The people need us Winston! They need to trust us, they need us!
      
      WP to JA: ….. oh did I say I was in Raro??? Umm I’m, umm …. on a steamer ship recreating David Lange’s epic journey to the Tokelau Islands when he was first elected, you know in my foreign affairs capacity, they haven’t had a Labour Govt minister visit them for over 30 years … so like then in 1985 we will be out of communication for a week … um the ships captain says we are nearly out of cellphone coverage from Raro so gotta go.
      
      JA to WP: Really Winston, you’re using Lange’s excuse to avoid a problem? Anyway what am I going to do?
      
      WP to JA: Listen carefully for I can only say one more thing … you’ll have to dust off Deputy Kelvin from the storage cupboard, you know the one we boarded up to stop him speaking publically again … but this time there will be one critical difference. Don’t let him speak on his own, I would suggest have Robbo standing behind him pulling the strings like he initially did with you eg a pinch to the left means “no” and a pinch to the right means “yes”. Make sure H2 brief’s Kelvin on which side is left and which side is right then do that again just before the stand up interview! Oh and good luck!
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:11am
    - ztev
      
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      Wheres the state of emergency for the recent ‘high tides’ ?
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:32am
      - niggly
        
        Well they called in the Army to help – things are pretty serious when that happens!
        
        Maybe your question should be, why didn’t the Govt declare a formal state of emergency??? (I’m sure Labour/Greens/MSM would be asking that question if they were still in Opposition, whether it’s a true reflection of the situation or not)!
        
        Who is the duty Minister (deputising for the PM/DPM)? Is that person on holiday too?
        
        (Hey is Fraser House on holiday too? Asking because we’re also not getting clear answers from you either)?!! 😉
        
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        January 7, 2018 12:34pm
      - ztev
        
        FACT Councils are the ones to declare states of emergency.
        FACT Thames Coromandel didnt see fit to do so.
        
        Heres one for April 2017
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11837219
        Cyclone Cook- that was a bit of a fizzer
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:07pm
      - holysheet
        
        I think for the sake of the country we should get the governor general to decare this COL failing, a country in emergency.
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:27pm
      - niggly
        
        Ztev, thanks for the reminder of the facts, but still none the wiser as to why no-one from the govt in their official capacity has said anything (considering many regions were affected), or even who and why the acting PM hasn’t also said anything!
        
        Thank goodness for the locals and the Army!
        
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        January 7, 2018 3:03pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    The village of Kaiawa flooding like the Christchurch 2011 or Kaikoura 2017 earthquake ??
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:07am
    - GazzaW
      
      To the people of Kaiaua yes it is just as significant.
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:15am
      - stephieboy
        
        Expecting a visit from the PM such as the devastating flooding at Edgcumbe . I bet they felt it was significant !
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:25am
      - ztev
        
        Yes , someone had to throw all his books out- hes devastated and wants the Pms shoulder to cry on!
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:34am
    - GazzaW
      
      Bridges, Tolley and Flavell all visited Edgecumbe in the immediate aftermath.
      
      Has a current Minister even made comment?
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:55am
      - cha
        
        Coastal inundation and an entire community, avoidably, displaced, one of these things ain’t like the other
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:05am
    - calendar girl
      
      If you want to comment on “The village of” Kaiaua, Stephieboy, please do its residents the courtesy of spelling correctly the name of their little settlement.
      
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      January 7, 2018 11:27am
      - stephieboy
        
        the same I take it applies to comrade Waikato girl who used ,Kaiawa as at 8.47am .
        
        Aye ?
        
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        January 7, 2018 12:24pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Yeah, my bad Stephie,
        I took spelling advice from hubby. ?
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:22pm
- Huevon
  
  Comrade, the PM gets 4 weeks holiday like ever other worker! You can’t expect her to work on her days off!
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:17am
  - holysheet
    
    Unlike our very own Goveg?
    She was working on a saturday. I wonder if she followed the time honored rule of overtime payments to herself?
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:27am
    - GoVege
      
      Morning, sweet holy!
      Nah….I get paid the same rate on Saturday.
      Don’t matter to me.
      The mortgage is almost finished.
      Yippee!!
      
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      January 7, 2018 2:36pm
  - stephieboy
    
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    Huevon , but it Ok for our former PM to have his Christmas break at his batch in Hawaii .
    
    Seems like an excuse for a mere whinge and sulk .
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:09am
    - GazzaW
      
      Bill English was always standing by as a very capable Deputy PM. Where the fuck is anyone at all from the Government on this?
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:18am
      - ztev
        
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        No he wasnt. English was on holiday too
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:35am
      - GazzaW
        
        He might have been on holiday ztev but English was always ready to step up.
        
        No one but no one from the Government has even made a comment.
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:48am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      We all deserve a holiday but I know my business wouldn’t last long with everyone away and nobody in charge
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:27am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Humble, how many business owners could ever close down for a 3-4 week holiday? It just doesn’t happen in the real world.
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:43am
      - lifesgood
        
        Good, let’s hope this happens to the COL
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:53am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        WG I would LOVE a 1 week holiday with the family let alone a 3 or 4 week one! That’s why I’m strongly considering a role in the ‘public service’. Would love to clock out on Thursday afternoon in the week leading to Christmas and enjoy the wind down to Christmas stress free with the family and a see you after anniversary weekend to the colleagues!
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:34am
      - igm
        
        ztrev would not appreciate what you are saying. The only thing bludgers such as he knows about business is the taxes they leech from them in the guise of salaries.
        
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        January 7, 2018 5:08pm
  - KevOB
    
    Typical unionist.
    
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    January 7, 2018 12:14pm
  - Gabby
    
    Ponyboy wouldn’t have missed the chance to get in front of the cameras eh hoover on.
    
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    January 7, 2018 5:12pm
- VicParking
  
  I have not seen one announcement from the Acting PM, whoever that is, or a Minister on the weather bomb. I would have expected at least the Greens to come out and say its all due to “Climate change”
  Its all fun being the government until the “shit hits the sea” in Auckland.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:23am
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    No state of emergency declared thats why.
    
    or you could do what Key said after the devastating Manawatu floods of 2015
    ” I dont want to get in the way of the recovery”
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/69562014/State-of-emergency-in-Whanganui-as-flooding-hits-lower-North-Island
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:38am
    - Tricati
      
      Our wait like CCC did when the fires started and watch 11 houses burn down
      
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      January 7, 2018 7:51pm
- calendar girl
  
  I haven’t heard anything of our PM for several weeks. She seems to have learned quickly the political art of going ‘underground’.
  
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  January 7, 2018 11:04am
  - ztev
    
    Rythym and Vines, so many here said they were sick of hearing about her >LOL
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:09pm
Paulus

Flipper
I agree entirely.
I thought that I was the only one who is tired of the sickness that s in the media against anything Trump
does or even thinks.
Our little media is in itself totally sick in that all it does is to parrot every other left wing media world wide as thy cannot think for themselves.
Like it or not Trump was duly elected in accordance with the US Constitution.
I have a total dislike of our COL Government but they too were elected under our laws.
Surely if you do not like the rules of the club do not join or get the rules changed.
Whoever is financing the anti Trump Presidency – Soros and his Clinton family have no compunction on there pro Clinton rhetoric. The media spent Millions nay Billions in trying to elect the corrupt Clintons and lost.
Like here the glorification of Cinderella by the media has only led to the continuous decline of circulation.
I cannot wait to see if ever possible again a balanced political view from them, before they go bust.
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- flipper
  
  Yep, concur !
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:25am
- Inandout
  
  The DoJ is moving ever so slowly to get the Clinton Foundation looked into for illegal transactions. It appears that pressure groups would add ‘FOB’ (friend of Bill) to their requests to use the Foundation as a money launderer. If Sessions doesn’t act soon he will be replaced, nothing surer.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:51am
  - ztev
    
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    Bill hasnt been president since 2001, why would FOB mean anything in the last 18 years?
    
    Clinton Foundation is a lot cleaner than the Destiny Church’s charity . They cant even get their books signed off.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:19am
    - VicParking
      
      Apple and oranges ztev. Go back to your goat I can hear her bleating for some lovin.
      
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      January 7, 2018 9:26am
      - GoVege
        
        Very naughty Vic…..but too good not to uptick. 🙂
        Don’t forget to watch my favorite film on 2 tonight….a few goats on there too…
        
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        January 7, 2018 2:39pm
    - Harkman
      
      What? The Clinton Foundation is a gigantic money-laundering scam. It pays for Bill, Hillary & Chelsea to travel the world and stay in 5-star luxury and give 1/2 million dollar speeches. The Foundation takes in $140-180m annually but has an annual wage bill of $30-40m per annum. Some charity.
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:42am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Charity starts at home, as they say. In this case home is Bill, Chelsea and the old bat.
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:09pm
      - ztev
        
        Why does the foundation pay, as those paying for the speeches would cover travel costs.
        Anyway both the Clintons together have earned at least $120 mill in the last 15 years or so from speeches, why would they need the foundations money?
        
        At least their foundation does more good than the so called ‘Charity Golf Tournament’ played by John Key, where the donors gave to…..
        The local national party
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/opinion/patrick-gower/opinion-oravidas-56600-golf-photo-with-john-key-2014032009
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:21pm
      - doggone7
        
        Sounds like the IOC and Fifa!
        
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        January 7, 2018 2:53pm
      - RF
        
        I heard that the foundation also coughed up for Chelsea’s wedding.
        
        Nice for some…….
        
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        January 7, 2018 3:17pm
      - Rich Prick
        
        And a US$950k salary for the, say we say, thick as a plank, Chelsea.
        
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        January 7, 2018 3:28pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I have been reading elsewhere that Trump’s brilliant tax plans will see billions repatriated to the USA and may possibly distort foreign currency markets. This could be good for NZ exporters, but it will make petrol move towards $2.40 or so per litre.
  I originally liked Trump solely because he stuck a splintered stake fair and square up the arse of the MSM. But now I am beginning to admire his management. He has managed to get a large numbers of ugly critters out of that fetid swamp around the Potomac.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:51am
  - Inandout
    
    TN, there is a whole army of public servants who block voted for Hillary and now see their jobs in jeopardy. I have not the slightest compassion for these swamp slugs.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:05am
  - ztev
    
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    They are still using the money .
    Various means of doing so are ‘inter-company loans’ or borrow funds from commercial banks secured by the offshore money.
    
    There is not going to be a ‘rush to convert to US dollars’ as its mostly a bookeeping exercise.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:15am
- backster
  
  “Whoever is financing the anti Trump Presidency – Soros and his Clinton family have no compunction on there pro Clinton rhetoric. The media spent Millions nay Billions in trying to elect the corrupt Clintons and lost.”
  Give some credit to Jeff Bezos sometime richest man in the world and owner of Amazon Washington Post.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:43am
- stephieboy
  
  You will no doubt concur with your leader ‘s own assessment of himself that he is ” a very stable genius ”
  
  https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/6/16857492/trump-tweets-mental-health
  
  Yeah Right !
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:12am
  - Manolo
    
    No, I think master Obama is the true genius.
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:33am
wiseowl

It was brave of Lorna Subritzky to open up about her abusive marriage while doing talkback .
Unfortunately the usual figures have been trotted out about the terrible statistics for DV in New Zealand without any further analysis.
Subritzky is great coverage being blonde and white, the implication being that all this violence is being caused by white males.
It’s a shame the media is full of leftie reporters who avoid the truth.
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January 7, 2018 8:24am
- Disaster Area
  
  Well if the implication that all of the violence is being committed by white males, it contradicts the usual implication on here that it isn’t.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:28am
  - Brito
    
    According to MSW these are the facts.
    
    https://www.msd.govt.nz/about-msd-and-our-work/publications-resources/journals-and-magazines/social-policy-journal/spj33/33-ethnic-identity-and-intimate-partner-violence-in-a-new-zealand-birth-cohort-p126-145.html
    
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    January 7, 2018 8:44am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Brito, also in the report.
      
      The Effects of Gender
      
      A further issue examined was the extent to which the results reported above were dependent on the gender of the participant, and whether there were interactions between gender and ethnicity. In order to examine this, the final fitted logistic and negative binomial regression models above were extended to include both main effect terms for gender, and gender-by-ethnicity interaction terms. No statistically significant main effects for gender, or gender-by-ethnicity interactions, were found (all p values > .05), suggesting that for both IPV victimisation and perpetration, males and females reported similar levels of both IPV victimisation and perpetration, and the results were similar for Māori and non-Māori females and males.
      
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      January 7, 2018 9:46am
      - GoVege
        
        Anybody who talks about “negative binomial regression models” is probably incapable of coming to a logical conclusion.
        Any idiot can see Maori are overall more violent than non-Maori.
        (It’s their culture, stupid!)
        The ethnicity of young kids in the morgue are the proof.
        Caucasian guys can be violent too, but unless they are suffering from a mental disorder, they usually stop themselves short of killing their victim.
        That said, there have been some very evil acts of stalking and murder committed by Caucasians, like Livingstone and the cop in Invercargill.
        
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        January 7, 2018 3:22pm
  - cmm
    
    While partner violence is bad, it is nowhere near as bad as putting the bash on kids. That is the domestic violence that really needs to be addressed.
    
    Abused women at least have a choice: they chose a shit-head for a partner and chose to stick around when things get sketchy.
    
    Kids have no such choice.
    
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    January 7, 2018 8:54am
    - holysheet
      
      Yes it never ceases to amaze me, the number of dropkick women who continually change from one abusive dickhead to another abusive dickhead.
      Why?
      
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      January 7, 2018 9:00am
      - VicParking
        
        They like the makeup sex.
        
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        January 7, 2018 9:28am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        They like “bad boys.”
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:11am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Abusive dickheads favour vulnerable partners.
        
        They move in on women who have been left in the dirt by a previous partner.
        
        Seen it time & time again.
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:12am
      - kowtow
        
        They like the nasty fuckers , until they themselves become a “victim” ?
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:15am
      - stephieboy
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        Genius minds at work here .
        
        LOL
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:17am
      - GazzaW
        
        Then provide some worthwhile comments stephie or take the rest of the day off.
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:23am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Too many people, when entering a relationship, believe they can change the other person. Not just in DV situations, in many otherwise good relationships too. I’ve made the mistake myself, expecting changes that were never going to happen from partners.
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:33am
      - GoVege
        
        They probably had a violent dad themselves so the violent male is familiar and feels “normal”.
        Then there is the fact that in most sexist cultures, which is virtually all non-western ones, the vast majority of males beat their wives and kids.
        I have asked such women why they stick with their jerks and they all say the same thing….another man would treat their kids worse…which is true.
        
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        January 7, 2018 2:57pm
      - Flash
        
        Women marry their fathers and men marry their mothers. It’s a conditioning thing – they feel comfortable with people who are like the people they grew up with.
        Have a look at your own partner choices, and see if that’s not true.
        
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        January 7, 2018 6:45pm
- waikatogirl
  
  From the report
  Abstract:
  “Intimate partner violence (IPV) is an issue of growing concern in New Zealand, with particular concerns being raised about the over-representation of Māori in surveys of IPV. The present study examined the associations between ethnic identity and IPV in a longitudinal birth cohort of individuals born in Christchurch in 1977. Those participants of Māori identity reported higher rates of both IPV victimisation and perpetration than non-Māori, as well as higher rates of injury related to IPV. Control for a range of socio-economic and family functioning factors reduced the magnitude of the associations between ethnic identity and IPV victimisation, perpetration and injury, but the associations remained substantial. It was concluded that higher rates of IPV among Māori were not explained by cultural factors, and were largely explained by ethnic differences in exposure to socio-economic factors and exposure to family problems in childhood.”
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:16am
  - VicParking
    
    Well said. Its a pity but its true. I blame the treaty and the colonial fallout from the 19th century. Being forced into State house ghetto’s and having to live on state handouts has driven Maori into a life of drugs, alcohol and violence. Raising the minimum wage and the unemployment benifit to $30 an hour, removing taxes from tobacco and alcohol, and having rent controls would be just a start to bringing our polynesian brothers out of this life of matrimonial violence.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:44am
    - kowtow
      
      Where does personal responsibilty come into the picture?
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:13am
      - stephieboy
        
        Ask this fellow here ,
        
        Would-be surgeon avoids wife-bashing conviction
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10855223
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:20am
      - VicParking
        
        Personal responsibility by people who gove rivers and mountains the same rights as humans.
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:26am
      - ztev
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        Rivers and Mountains have same rights as Humans?
        
        Have you heard of a ‘Family Trust’ , it has the same rights as Humans.
        Companies , trusts, charities etc have long had same rights as humans.
        There is a range of created ‘non natural persons’ in legislation.
        The “Roman Catholic Bishop of Auckland” is a enduring legal entity, which is separate to the appointed bishop at the time.
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:44am
      - ztev
        
        Bishops to be Corporations Sole
        “The Bishop of a diocese is a corporation sole, with perpetual succession and a seal of office, and has and may exercise all the rights, powers, and privileges, and may incur all the liabilities, of a natural person of full age and capacity.
        
        http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/private/1997/0004/latest/DLM118516.html
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:54am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I understand that “personal responsibility” is on the list of banned words and phrases. It may even officially be classified as “hate speech” in the near future.
        
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        January 7, 2018 12:29pm
  - KevOB
    
    Nonsense about no cultural factors. They obviously never looked at Polynesia. Males regularly beat up women and children-depending on rank. Women of high status kept the men in control. Violence is endemic.
    
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    January 7, 2018 12:23pm
    - GoVege
      
      True, Kev.
      They don’t even refer to it as violence…they are merely “punishing” a subordinate for some misdemeanor, such as not instantly obeying an instruction.
      Some neanderthal in Samoa got convicted of “manslaughter” for striking his 15 year old son in the NECK with a machete recently.
      The kid’s crime?
      Dad “suspected” him of hiding his mother.
      (I wonder WHY?)
      Maybe if the community had done something about this creep earlier, he wouldn’t have reached the stage of knocking off his son.
      
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      January 7, 2018 3:09pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  wiseowl, I would have to know more facts to say it was wise. Would all her children agree that everything was the father’s fault and be happy with their mother going public.
  
  She claims to be intelligent but also says the worst abuse was psychological. I wonder how many men can that their kids to a refuge as they have been pussy whipped.
  
  She claims that victims come from all socioeconomic groups. That is true but not is an equal ratio like many types of anti-social behaviour.
  
  How many judges would bash their wives. I would say very few.
  
  I am generally not in favour of people mainly women talking about their children’s other parent in public.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:30am
  - wiseowl
    
    Agree Chuck.
    There is a fair amount of psychological abuse that goes on by women.
    I have never forgotten a comment by a leading female private investigator that said never underestimate the lies and manipulation that can be carried out by women.
    Statistically it is most likely impossible to quantify .
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:19am
    - GoVege
      
      True, wiseowl.
      Women probably contribute equally to the problem of DV by their devious undermining of other women.
      I read a book recently about Ann Lawson, mum of the quins.
      While Ann was struggling to care for 6 young kids, her “best friend” was carrying on with her husband, and persuaded him to ditch his family.
      Ann ended up bashed and murdered by her next partner, (who came with enough bullets to kill her kids also, but Ann went outside to meet him, to protect her children.)
      Men who abandon their families don’t leave to live as bachelors doing their own cooking.
      They get enticed away by devious women with no conscience for the kids who will be left fatherless and vulnerable.
      Nia Glassie’s father abandoned his kids to their fate, for another apparently “skinnier” woman.
      Look at all the child victims of murder, and you will often see a similar story.
      Also many murderers come from families where the father abandoned them.
      
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      January 7, 2018 3:42pm
- kowtow
  
  Bit like Celia Lashlie and her little blond killer. Yeah right.
  
  “Lashlie was appointed as a transition manager for the Nelson Specialist Education Service (SES) in 2000,[2] but in April 2001 she was controversially removed from that position following a speech in which she spoke about a hypothetical five-year-old boy who was “blond, with the most angelic face you can imagine and he is coming to prison … and he is probably going to kill someone on his way.”[4] ”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celia_Lashlie
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:53am
  - Jack5
    
    How effective was Lashlie’s approach to boys’ education?
    
    I wonder about her after reading that her education included “bachelor of Arts in anthropology and Maori”.
    
    Flaky anthropologists have played a big part in giving a flaky and false basis for multiculturism, and for flaky developments such as (in NZ) the putting of oral history on a level with recorded written history.
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      jack 5 , the decision to allow in a flood of East Asian in the 1990s was not based on a degree in Anthropology etc !
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:28am
      - Jack5
        
        What are you blithering about, Duty Stephie (Stephie mum, from the wording and the punctuation)?
        
        What “flood of East Asian(s) in the 1990s”?
        
        You just keep an eye on your shopping-mall perving, porn-site haunting boys! Perhaps you could try putting a spoonful of kill-cock in each of their breakfast teas.
        
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        January 7, 2018 11:12am
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack 5 , the “blithering “is here especially the stats near the end ,
        
        http://www.stevenyoung.co.nz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=142&Itemid=50
        
        The rest from you is typically infantile gibberish !
        
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        January 7, 2018 12:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        Mrs Stephie, you use this phrase:”…typically infantile gibberish.”
        
        No wonder your boys are sexual predators. I think you should get some professional advice.
        
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        January 7, 2018 2:37pm
  - cha
    
    Bit like Celia Lashlie and her little blond killer
    
    When Shane Randle was a five years old and blond, with the most angelic face you can imagine, his social worker predicted that he would kill.
    
    Twenty or so years later he tried chatting up Tania McKenzie over the bar she worked behind and when she rejected his advances he waited for her to knock off, followed her, raped, tortured, beat her to death and mutilated her body.
    
    Randle pounded Ms McKenzie’s head with rocks, punches and kicks, leaving her in a state equivalent to someone who had been in an aircraft crash or high speed collision. After the crime he made every effort to hide his involvement, destroying evidence, lying to police and at trial trying to blame the murder on girlfriend (name withheld). Randle showed absolutely no remorse and continued to deny the crimes, making rehabilitation unlikely and creating a high risk of future serious, violent offending, Justice Young said.
    
    http://offenders.sst.org.nz/offender/36115/
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:28am
- kowtow
  
  From the article. More anti NZ bullshit.
  
  “New Zealand has the worst rate of family and intimate-partner violence in the world. Eighty per cent of incidents go unreported — so what we know of family violence in our community is barely the tip of the iceberg.”
  
  Here’s some “IPV” to get your teeth into.
  
  “It is a tragedy, a horror, a crime against humanity. The details of the murders – of the women beheaded, burned to death, stoned to death, stabbed, electrocuted, strangled and buried alive for the “honour” of their families – are as barbaric as they are shameful. Many women’s groups in the Middle East and South-west Asia suspect the victims are at least four times the United Nations’ latest world figure of around 5,000 deaths a year.”
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-crimewave-that-shames-the-world-2072201.html
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:27am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    All depends on how the stats are made: NZ bothers to get proper stats, has Women’s Refuge, the Police listen and help when DV is reported.
    
    In other countries… not so much. Especially when the answer would be: ‘Read sura 4:34 woman: your husband has the right to beat you.’
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:39am
  - Jack5
    
    Kowtown, you’re right. Take the piece you quote:”New Zealand has the worst rate of family and intimate-partner violence in the world.”
    
    Such claims about various social problems are coming thick and fast. Typically, those making the claims get something from the internet covering OECD countries, less than a quarter of the world’s nations.
    
    Then they discount various local information collecting standards and customs.
    
    Then they make outrageous claims, making NZ appear worse than, for example, Middle Eastern nations where women are stoned to death for alleged adultery, and where women have been whipped for daring to bare an ankle, and where there separate divorce standards for men and women.
    
    The makers of these claims can relay on an ignorant, gullible, feminista-dominated news media to broadcast their lies, unchallenged.
    
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    January 7, 2018 2:42pm
Disaster Area

Here’s a hypothetical question that occurred to me yesterday – I thought I’d see what the reaction is.

Would you agree to pay 2 cents more on your income tax if you could nominate where 25% of your income tax was spent?
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January 7, 2018 8:27am
- MickMac
  
  yes. as long as beneficiaries didn’t get taxed on my taxed money given to them as benefits!
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:44am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes I used to have a similar idea with rates.
  You pay your rates and it goes to core things such as roads, water, rubbish and lighting.
  Then say 10% goes to other tings.
  Art, museums, libraries, projects.
  And when you pay your rates you get to vote on one of those things.
  And each year the council allocate that 10% exactly according to the votes.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:22am
  - VicParking
    
    Get real, it used to be 10% but now its more like 20%, especially when you factor in the wages of the $100,000 plus a year staff who run it.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:48am
- kowtow
  
  Surely as the payer , the owner of the money is us and we should get to decide on 100 % of where it goes.
  
  That’s the problem in these days of “democracy” and “equality” , we get very little say in anything and are bummed by the political elites.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:23am
  - VicParking
    
    If Whanganui is anything to go by, once the politicans get into power all the promises are out the door and its head down in the trough and pet projects to the top of the list.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:51am
- MCos
  
  I’d rather pay less and nominate who would get less money.
  Seeing as I now live in Auckland I don’t give a shit about that Transmission Gully road. A few years ago when I lived in Wellington I would have said no to the new road tunnel in Auckland!
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:49am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Selfish prick. You sound like a socialist.
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:32am
Manolo

TDS. A mad shrink opines:
http://www.newsweek.com/trump-could-destroy-entire-human-species-says-yale-psychiatrist-who-warned-772328

President Donald Trump’s mental health might lead to the extinction of the human species, the Yale psychiatrist briefing lawmakers on the president’s psychological state told Newsweek on Friday.

If it were possible, Dr. Bandy Lee said, “we would be declaring a public health emergency that needs to be responded to as quickly as possible.”

“As more time passes, we come closer to the greatest risk of danger, one that could even mean the extinction of the human species,” she said. “This is not hyperbole. This is the reality.”
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January 7, 2018 8:28am
- marcw
  
  ‘Physician, first heal thyself’ comes to mind.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:38am
- flipper
  
  Manolo ….
  Yep, bought psychobabble and contrary to the p/shrinks’ code of ethics. It simply reiterates the unbalanced state of the Dems and one or two (forgiving McCain) GOPs like Corker and Flake.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:43am
  - Jack5
    
    Flipper, you’re talking about the APA’s “Goldwater Rule”. This is from Wikipedia:
    
    ‘The issue arose in 1964 when Fact published the article “The Unconscious of a Conservative: A Special Issue on the Mind of Barry Goldwater”. The magazine polled psychiatrists about U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater and whether he was fit to be president. The editor, Ralph Ginzburg, was sued for libel in Goldwater v. Ginzburg where Goldwater won $75,000 (approximately $592,000 today) in damages.’
    
    Wikipedia explains the Goldwater Rule as:
    
    … the informal name given to Section 7 in the American Psychiatric Association’s (APA) Principles of Medical Ethics that states it is unethical for psychiatrists to give a professional opinion about public figures they have not examined in person, and from whom they have not obtained consent to discuss their mental health in public statements.
    
    Fact magazine was sold internationally. I bought a copy in New Zealand. The front cover heading, according to another internet source, was: ‘1,189 psychiatrists say Goldwater is unfit to be President.’ (My memory of reading it more than 50 years ago was that it said: ‘1,189 psychiatrists say Goldwater is insane’.)
    
    About 12,400 members of the APA were sent a questionnaire by Fact. Fewer than 2500 responded.
    
    Goldwater was feared and loathed as much by the Left then as Trump is now. I doubt the media were as tough on Goldwater as they are now on Trump, however.
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:54am
    - Jack5
      
      One other story I remember from Fact questioned whether Jews should drive Volkswagens or Mercedes.
      
      It alleged that back then German car makers were using in electrical/electronic contacts gold taken from the teeth of concentration camp victims.
      
      It was a wild publication. Wishart’s Investigate on speed.
      
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      January 7, 2018 11:19am
- Huevon
  
  Yes, anti-Trump hysteria is reaching fever pitch. I guess you didn’t read that the FBI are now investigating the Clinton Foundation…
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:53am
  - cmm
    
    It has reached fever pitch, but it will still get worse.
    
    As Trump starts to chalk up successes, expect them to really melt down.
    
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    January 7, 2018 8:56am
    - Morrissey
      
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      As Trump starts to chalk up successes…
      
      You’re hilarious. (Not intentionally, of course, but you are.)
      
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      January 7, 2018 10:37am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Where as you are not…
        
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        January 7, 2018 10:57am
      - cmm
        
        Thanks Moronsey, you’re just proving my point.
        
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        January 7, 2018 12:25pm
- Morrissey
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Who is more credible here? A Yale psychiatry professor or Manolo?
  
  Now that’s a hard one….
  
  https://dash.coolsmartphone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/confused-565×375.jpg
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The United States Of America has quite a history of abusing psychiatry for political purposes
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry#United_States
    
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    January 7, 2018 2:15pm
  - igm
    
    I’ll take Manolo against a left-wing academic any day.
    
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    January 7, 2018 5:12pm
    - stephieboy
      
      igm , now there is a mind of an alt righter post lobotomy .
      
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      January 7, 2018 9:13pm
MickMac

I don’t listen to them as both the APA’s (Psychiatrists and Pschoanalysts) have had reports circulatining from their committees questioning Pedophilia still being in the disease book they work from.
Too many of them are Liberal fraudsters, I’d question how much science and how much art they actually are.
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January 7, 2018 8:48am
- KevOB
  
  Their own research several years ago showed that the 10 year outcomes were the same regardless of the diagnosis.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:19am
- Morrissey
  
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  Too many of them are Liberal fraudsters…
  
  Really? Could you support that extraordinarily controversial statement with some kind of argument?
  
  I’d question how much science and how much art they actually are.
  
  And how much reading and thinking and writing have you done on this?
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:36am
- MCos
  
  Speaking of fraudsters, what about this bloke?
  
  “A Christian Republican congressman has openly admitted to sleeping with his patients while he was a doctor, and even pressuring them into abortions despite his public anti-choice stance, but it’s all okay in his mind because he says God forgave him.”
  Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2018/01/06/christian-congressman-god-forgave-me-for-sleeping-with-patients-paying-for-abortions/#sB5FHUtZ9Wk1RR3T.99
  
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  January 7, 2018 11:37am
edenman

I note the death of Gordon Hogg, Gordon was the ‘founder’ of computerised banking in NZ. It was through his efforts that Databank Systems was formed when the company was originally setup by the BNZ in the mid 60’s & subsequently joined by the other trading banks. At the time the processing of accounts moved to overnight with interbank settlement moving from several days to overnight.
Gordon often referred to a cashless society in the future and pushed the banks to adopting Automatic tellers. He was an entrepreneur in the banking world.
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January 7, 2018 8:48am
- pdm
  
  I remember Gordon Hogg during my 18 and a bit years with the BNZ. I was in the following branches when they were computerised – Waipukurau, Hastings and Suva.
  
  Edenman are you ex BNZ staff?
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:04am
  - edenman
    
    no I was an early employee of Databank
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:18am
- Digmen1
  
  I’d like to see them keep moving.
  Eg why does it take 3 days for money to move in NZ from one bank to another!
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:24am
  - GazzaW
    
    I hope you’re not implying that the banks are using your money for their own purposes for those three days Digmen? 😉
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:29am
  - cmm
    
    Does it still take 3 days?
    
    I get money from UK deposited into my ANZ account within 24 hours.
    
    ANZ to ANZ transfers are immediate. Done in 3 seconds.
    
    ANZ to others are batched every few hours.
    
    But I do remember it being rather archaic when I first came to NZ in 1992. ANZ was batching up transactions on tape and then couriering the tapes to a central office. That was worse than what we had in Africa. I switched to ASB which was a lot faster. I switched back to ANZ in 2000.
    
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    January 7, 2018 12:30pm
- VicParking
  
  Worked with Gordon RIP.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:51am
- Jack5
  
  Gordon Hogg sounds to have been an interesting person.
  
  There was supposedly another interesting person involved with electronic transactions in NZ that someone here may be able to tell us about.
  
  My understanding that the system underlying Eftpos was developed in America, but the Australian and NZ adoption, which was quite early, was driven by the work of a Hungarian Australian electronics engineer.
  
  The legend or myth that makes this interesting is that he supposedly was an electronic adviser to the North Vietnamese (Hungary was still Communist then), and deserted to Australian troops in South Vietnam.
  
  Can anyone tell us whether there is anything to this story?
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:16am
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    Think about it .
    Electronics and hes an advisor – for what?- in South Vietnam.
    A hungarian who can speak Vietnamese- unlikely as well.
    The north Vietnamese would have avoided electronics that could be intercepted by the US.
    A quick check shows this
    ‘ EFTPOS technology originated in the United States in 1981″
    
    ‘In New Zealand, Bank of New Zealand started issuing EFTPOS debit cards in 1985 with the first merchant terminals being installed in petrol stations” There didnt seem to be any Australia connection but they did the same at the same time
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:33pm
    - Jack5
      
      I look to have drawn a blank there, Ztev.
      
      Still, you are wrong on the communist Vietnamese not using radio. They used radio from Warsaw Pact allies, and radio equipment they build themselves with components from these allies.
      
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      January 7, 2018 3:18pm
MickMac

I hope this is true for Americans.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/trumps_unnoticed_great_firstyear_accomplishment.html
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January 7, 2018 8:53am
- stephieboy
  
  MickMac , minus the feature promise of the Mexican border wall !
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:41am
big bruv

Apparently, every person of colour who visits Waiheke Island is a snowflake.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/100362768/golliwog-dolls-for-sale-at-waiheke-island-tourist-gift-shop-shock-customers

I do wish these snowflakes would just fuck off, it’s a doll for goodness sake, just a doll.
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January 7, 2018 8:53am
- lifesgood
  
  Not only a doll but a doll that children love. Children do not despise their golliwogs, they cuddle them and take them to bed at night. I’m sick to death of this rubbish. I hope the store owner doesn’t cave to these idiots. I am currently on Waiheke and the number of American accents I’m hearing is unbelievable, I’ve also seen them perusing the real estate windows and discussing which properties to go for. God help Waiheke.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:21am
  - holysheet
    
    All the snowflakes finally making the move to leave USA because Trump won?
    The irony is that the more successful Trump is in improving the US economy, the higher the US dollar goes, the more money these snowflakes will have to send outside the US.
    I bet they wouldn’t even thank him either.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:32am
    - VicParking
      
      The US economy can’t help but approve if they send all the snowflakes in NZ.
      
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      January 7, 2018 9:53am
  - Viking2
    
    Remember last year that Maori women shrieking at the Mad butcher.
    The place wants exporting.
    
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    January 7, 2018 8:57pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I wonder whether they do mail orders? I’d love one just for the spontaneous melt-downs they cause to lefties.
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:03am
  - lifesgood
    
    Me too. Anyone know what shop it is so I can call in?
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:01am
    - Brito
      
      Escapade Boutique.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/100362768/golliwog-dolls-for-sale-at-waiheke-island-tourist-gift-shop-shock-customers
      
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      January 7, 2018 1:51pm
- mara
  
  And I wish to ask everyone who uses the term “people of colour” what exactly is wrong with saying “coloured people.” Why not say “people of no colour” when referring to white people?
  
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  January 7, 2018 12:48pm
  - lifesgood
    
    It’s the same as saying “visually impaired” for blind or “hearing impaired for deaf” We all know that people so afflicted are blind or deaf so why the skirting around it. They mean the same thing and EVERYBODY knows it. The Americans are quite peculiar…they seem to have a great sensitivity to using normal words. I mean why is a lavatory called a “bathroom” in the US. Everybody knows “I’m going to the bathroom” means “I’m going to the lavatory”
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:16pm
    - chiz
      
      Visually impaired does not mean the same thing as blind – it’s a much broader term that include the blind but also includes people with glaucoma, cataracts and macular degeneration for example where some limited vision is still present. Likewise hearing impairment is broader than deafness.
      
      In the US toilets are located in bathrooms rather than in separate rooms as we do.
      
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      January 7, 2018 2:17pm
      - lifesgood
        
        You are missing the point, blind people are refered to as visually impaired, deaf people are refered to as hearing impaired, that has nothing to do with partially sighted or partially hearing people. In NZ toilets are also usually located in the bathroom but we, at least, call a spade a spade.
        
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        January 7, 2018 2:33pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Don’t forget ‘restroom’.
        Restroom ?
        
        Those nutty Americans.
        Please excuse me – I must ~~take a seriously big hard can’t wait a second longer giant plumes of eye-watering putrid stench shit~~ powder my nose.
        
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        January 7, 2018 7:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Is dunny going out favour?
        It’s a perfectly good NZ/OZ working-class term.
        
        I’ve never clarified the correct Maori for dunny.
        Whare paku.. seems to be the PC term nowadays; but that’s not in my version of Williams: Dictionary of the Maori Language... or Harry Orsman’s Dictionary of NZ English.
        I s’pose whare tutae would be a bit vulgar for an old bird like me to use…I’ll stick with whare iti if I need to spend a penny.
        
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        January 7, 2018 8:03pm
      - chiz
        
        You are missing the point, blind people are refered to as visually impaired,deaf people are refered to as hearing impaired, that has nothing to do with partially sighted or partially hearing people.
        
        Blind people are visually impaired so there is no problem referring to them as such.
        
        In NZ toilets are also usually located in the bathroom but we, at least, call a spade a spade.
        
        Since when. Every house I’ve ever been in NZ has the toilet in its own room separate from the bathroom. This is a known architectural trend in NZ.
        
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        January 7, 2018 8:33pm
    - Jack5
      
      Lifesgood, you could be a little precious in criticising Americans for using the word “bathroom” for what some in other English-speaking countries still call “lavatory”.
      
      “Lavatory” itself is a euphemism, just an older one. It comes from the late Latin word “lavatorium” – a place for washing. Much like “bathroom”.
      
      “Lavatory” and “bathroom” are two of many euphemisms in our language. Others include toilet, restroom, WC or water closet, the john, jakes, and shit house, which is still a good Anglo-Saxon swear word. If you abandon all euphemisms you will use the description, shit house. See how that goes down with the girlfriend’s parents.
      
      Many other North European languages use a variation of “toilet” as the polite euphemism, from German to Russian and Latvian.
      
      As for criticism of “bathroom” because it’s American: that’s where the majority of people with English as a first language now live. If there is a standard it’s going to be either American or close to it.
      
      The Anglo-Saxons who moved to England long ago lost control of what became English, and now, I suspect, something similar is happening to this great language in relation to the people of England.
      
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      January 7, 2018 2:30pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Thank you for your pedantic reply. It is not criticism because it is American, it is criticism because it is twee and precious.
        
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        January 7, 2018 4:12pm
      - Viking2
        
        I s’pose whare tutae would be a bit vulgar for an old bird like me to
        
        Whare tutae is what it is know as for as long as I can remember.
        All sorts of myths around the performance of that function these days.
        
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        January 7, 2018 9:01pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Thats right . The Norse and Norman invasions were the culprits .
        
        Your point ?
        
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        January 7, 2018 9:20pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    It’s a stupid term used by self-loathing white liberals in the US (mostly found on the West and East coasts, but not so much in the middle). I have a fantastic tan at the moment, perhaps I should adopt “transitional person of colour”? Do I get a bonus point for the transiting part too (it being all the rage among the left when it comes to gender)?
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:21pm
big bruv

I love this, it seems that the New Zealand National rugby team is full of junkies.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/100355280/mark-reason-eliota-fuimaonosapolus-cocaine-bomb-makes-perfect-sense
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January 7, 2018 8:59am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Big Bruv,
  Thank you for bringing that to our attention. An uptick is insufficient to show my thanks.
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:24am
Digmen1

If you were young and rich, what would you do with your money?
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January 7, 2018 9:25am
- big bruv
  
  Well if you play rugby in NZ you can pretty much do anything you like. Drag the wife down the road by her hair, bash random strangers, drive drunk, sexually assault people, you can do pretty much anything you like. Even more so if you happen to be a member of the national team.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:29am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    But if you name these individuals you could end up in jail.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:35am
  - holysheet
    
    You left out being a native also helps.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:36am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Have you any proof of that? I know that the vast majority of those who get name suppression are not Maori. It also helps to be a lawyer.
      
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      January 7, 2018 9:41am
  - Jack5
    
    Not like Aussie league players, eh Big Bruv?
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:09am
    - big bruv
      
      Jack5
      
      I am not an apologist for the sport of bullrush. When it comes to that sport I agree with Sir Bob Jones who described it as a game designed by morons for morons.
      Jones also famously said that if the authorities detonated a small nuclear device over Mt Smart on game day we could cure the crime problem in Auckland instantly.
      
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      January 7, 2018 5:53pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Tony Veitch was no athlete, and he got away with it for a long time. And he’s not brown, either—in fact, he’s a notorious racist.
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:41am
  - doggone7
    
    “Well if you play rugby in NZ you can pretty much do anything you like. Drag the wife down the road by her hair, bash random strangers, drive drunk, sexually assault people, you can do pretty much anything you like. Even more so if you happen to be a member of the national team.”
    
    I need to see that again. You should post it this every single day. It minimises the chance of this being seen as a forum for anything like intelligence. And gives a fine perspective to your contributions.
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:40am
  - Gabby
    
    Surprisingly few of them get stabbed.
    
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    January 7, 2018 6:17pm
Komata

Bb: Re Golliwogs: Out of interest I asked my (Maori) wife what she thought of Golli’s. Her response: ‘I love them, grew up with them, think they’re great’. And if you saw one what woukd you do? ‘Examine it carefully, look it over, see how it’s made’. Are they ‘Racist?’ ‘Good grief no, I’m brown, I grew up with them they were in the books we read, they were just part of our lives’. Submitted FWIW, and as you say it seems that Afro-Americans are the only ones who are (deliberately?) ‘offended’. That they are so full of their own self-importance, self-righteousness, ignorance and intolerance that they seriously believe they can demand that a shopkeeper in another country remove an item that they (and only they) find ‘offensive’ is in itself offensive, as is their immediate running to the media when they don’t get their own way. It seems to be the way that many ‘Americans’ work, and kudobs to the shop owner for not kowtowing to the visitors. Hooefully she will get more customers and sell lots if Golli’s as a result.
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January 7, 2018 9:32am
- kowtow
  
  We have our own versions here.
  
  “Auckland academic Steve Elers, a vice-chancellor’s doctoral scholar at Auckland University of Technology who is researching the way Maori are portrayed in advertising, described the use of the haka for advertising purposes as “cultural theft”.’
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11228414
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:57am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Does not the incorporated body that owns the All Blacks also benefit from the performance of the haka? That must also be “cultural theft.”
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:13am
  - Inandout
    
    I found it difficult to get on that Herald site until I found it wasn’t the haka on looker’s mind, another story about this big prick.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11970842
    
    Can’t get a decent job he claims because the appendage gets in the way, yeah right.
    
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    January 7, 2018 10:15am
    - Deadly pony
      
      Unpixilated grossness here http://www.cosmopolitan.com/sex-love/a8630643/giant-penis-roberto-esquivel-cabrera/
      
      You’re welcome.
      
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      January 7, 2018 2:00pm
jcuk

good one Komata!
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January 7, 2018 10:11am
- stephieboy
  
  The musings of derangement syndrome sufferers .!
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:34am
Morrissey

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GROPERS
No. 24: David Lloyd George

David Lloyd George liked to ‘measure’ young girls and would be ‘booted’ from office today for his attitudes towards women, a retired Tory peer claimed.

Baroness Trumpington, 95, said Lloyd George, who was Prime Minister between 1916 and 1922, liked to survey ‘pretty well all’ of her body with a tape measure while she worked on his farm in Churt, Surrey, when she was 17.

Speaking to John Humphrys on Radio 4’s Today programme, Baroness Trumpington – who retired from the Lords in October – said: ‘He liked measuring me. In other words, he’d say “Go and stand over there!”… He had a tape measure, and would measure me.’
….
An aide… declared that he was ‘mental on matters of sex’ and that ‘in his view, a man and a woman could not possibly be friends without sexual intercourse’.

Within months of his marriage to Maggie, the former Prime Minister had already impregnated a Liberal activist known only as Mrs J.

He also impregnated his wife’s cousin, Kitty Edwards, his friend Timothy Davies’ wife as well as another Liberal MP’s wife.

It was said that Frances had two abortions to protect the politician from scandal but when she fell pregnant a third time in 1929 aged 40 he allowed her to have the baby as long as she didn’t claim he was the father. …

Later, in his 60s, he even slept with his son’s troubled wife, Roberta.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5220251/Baroness-95-reveals-David-Lloyd-George-measured-her.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1023182/David-Lloyd-George-A-promiscuous-Premier.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/oct/13/weinstein-sex-predators-baroness-lady-trumpington

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom; 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; 12 Prince Harry; 13 Bill Clinton; 14 Judge Roy Moore; 15 Matt Lauer; 16 Richard Branson; 17 Warren Moon; 18 Donald John Trump; 19 Damian Green; 20 Gene Simmons; 21 Sylvester Stallone; 22 Louise’s husband Charlie; 23 Father O’Hagan (AKA “Father Gropius”)
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January 7, 2018 10:31am
- Morrissey
  
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  Three groper-supporters have registered with us, as of 10:38 a.m.
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:38am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    Morrie what is this obsession with the sleaze ball archives all in aid of?
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:57am
- Harkman
  
  What about John Maynard Keynes, the leftist Prince? He was a kiddy-fiddler, yet the left hero worships him.
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:48am
  - Jack5
    
    Don’t go there, Harkman. British Tory PM Heath (not around to defend his reputation) has been under suspicion:
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/05/ted-heath-would-have-been-questioned-over-seven-abuse-claims-police-say
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:35am
    - kowtow
      
      Jack5
      
      The UK is in the grip of a moral panic/witch hunt around these issues.
      
      ‘The investigation was launched after Wiltshire Police made an appeal for child sex abuse ‘victims’ of Heath outside his Salisbury home, Arundells.
      
      More than 40 people came forward as a result of the televised appeal but the vast majority of the claims have been dismissed, including several made by fantasists. ‘
      
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/24/fantasist-facing-charges-false-ted-heath-paedophile-claims/
      
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      January 7, 2018 2:21pm
      - UpandComer
        
        A moral panic or witch-hunt you say.
        
        https://www.salon.com/2012/07/01/meet_pedophiles_who_mean_well/
        
        https://www.salon.com/2013/05/15/our_approach_to_pedophilia_isn%C2%B4t_working/
        
        https://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html
        
        http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/item/3216b48d-3195-4f67-8149-54586689ae3c?ns_campaign=bbc-three&ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=paedophileshelp
        
        There are four sets of different serious liberal publications all endorsing pedophilia as a sexual orientation, or as a mental condition like depression that’s just misunderstood.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2002/jan/25/worlddispatch.dutroux – The Dutroux affair.
        
        The Dutroux affair is covered only fractionally by the Guardian. But it is an on the record occurrence which exactly matches the pizzagate scenario. So it’s so strange to me that the Guardian which played inteference for Jimmy Savile and Jimmy Sandusky, and Dennis Hastert, thinks Pizzagate is so far fetched when it’s own journalists covered the exact scenario occurring on a national scale in Belgium in the early 2000’s.
        
        https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/12/02/504164498/pedophilia-scandal-sends-shock-waves-through-u-k-soccer: here is just one example from the UK.
        
        http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/30/obamas-safe-schools-czar-admits-poorly-handled-underage-sex-case.html – Obama Safe Schools Tsar tells 15 year old boy subject of a pedophile approach ‘use a condom’- when he was in charge of a gay education group.
        
        It’s a big problem mate. If you scratch beneath the surface you find a constant effort to validate and legitimise pedophilia from the Left.
        
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        January 7, 2018 3:31pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @UpandComer
        
        Yep, UK Labour Party has some recent history with trying to normalise pedophilia
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/10666875/Patricia-Hewitt-called-for-age-of-consent-to-be-lowered-to-ten.html
        
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        January 7, 2018 4:36pm
      - kowtow
        
        upandcomer
        
        I’m not saying paedophilia isn’t a problem.
        
        I’m saying there was an unjustified witch hunt against Ted Heath. No evidence and police,using tax payer money to solicit bullshit.
        
        A similar thing happened with Haut de la Garrene in Jersey. I’m not saying there was no child abuse there, but the media went big time on murdered , buried kids , lots of screaming headlines , but no evidence and no murders.
        
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        January 7, 2018 4:54pm
- Lance
  
  So where are the communist mass murders list?
  Or any mass murders list?
  Or just plan murders who got away with it list?
  
  This is all a very odd obsession you have with gropers, as obnoxious as they are.
  
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  January 7, 2018 11:44am
  - Morrissey
    
    So where are the communist mass murders list?
    Or any mass murders list?
    Or just plan murders who got away with it list?
    
    A significant percentage of the Gropers in our list are indeed responsible for the deaths of countless thousands. Vide Numbers 1, 7, 12, 13, 18, and 24.
    
    This is all a very odd obsession you have with gropers, as obnoxious as they are.
    
    Indeed it is. Maybe I need a consultation with Dr. Manolo.
    
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    January 7, 2018 12:49pm
  - UpandComer
    
    See my post above.
    
    Pedophilia is bad whether it’s coming from the left or right, I’d hope you’d agree.
    
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    January 7, 2018 4:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hey Morrissey have you got 2 Euros ( €2) to spare?
  You might want to provide us with a résumé of this gropey article about sexual abuse of young French communists by fellow comrades.
  http://www.lemonde.fr/enquetes/article/2018/01/06/violences-sexuelles-au-sein-des-jeunesses-communistes-la-parole-se-libere_5238181_1653553.html
  
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  January 7, 2018 2:58pm
Don the Kiwi

Black unemployment in this country fell to 6.8% in the last quarter of last year. That is the lowest black unemployment rate since records began to be kept on that subject 45 years ago. If you haven’t heard about this anyplace else, Dave Griffey at Daffey Thoughts explains why:

“The reason the Wolff book is so important
Is this. Yep, the unemployment rate for African Americans is now lower than it has been since tracking began. The press has under reported this*, and if pushed, I’m sure it will rely on giving credit to Barrack Obama. Just like the press continued to blame anything wrong during the previous eight years on George Bush.
Nonetheless, the headline ‘Unemployment lowest ever for African Americans’ is bad optics. So focusing on Wolff’s book is important. It must keep our eyes off the ball, off of what is happening, and in the trenches of personal attack and character assassination.

Of course the book is really nothing new. It’s nothing other than an author saying trust him, he talked to people who say what the press, pundits and Trump critics insist people have said for the last year. And insisting he had access to Trump for around three hours over the course of months of campaigning (do the math).

And it’s nothing we haven’t heard before Donald Trump. Senility, moron, mentally incapable, unfit for office – I heard in in the 80s with Reagan and Dan Quayle. I heard it again in the 00s during the Bush administration. In fact, come to think of it, I notice a trend. When the Left doesn’t get the person it wants, it uses the press and other surrogates to attack and destroy the individuals who have thwarted their designs. As this book is supposed to do.

I don’t think Trump is the best type of person we could have by a long shot. Unfortunately, the best type of people we have produced have become part of the problem. A world with a growing elitist class that cares for itself, and nothing else. If Trump doesn’t care either, he’s at least shaking things up and, so far, doing things that could help that growing demographic of non-elites that had so woefully fallen behind over the last few decades.”
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January 7, 2018 10:41am
- ztev
  
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  But but but ….. all that good news was all fake news when announced in 2016, according to Trump at the time.
  
  19 times Trump called jobs numbers ‘fake’ before they made him look good
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/03/10/19-times-trump-called-the-jobs-numbers-fake-before-they-made-him-look-good/?utm_term=.f98c374ff7c0
  
  Crying wolf so many times, no wonder no one then doesnt listen
  
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  January 7, 2018 10:50am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  A point of clarification. I assume that “unemployment rate” means those who are registered with the government as actively searching for employment.
  
  Both of the following scenarios will cause this “unemployment rate” to fall: a) more registered people gain employment and subsequently drop off from the register; or b) people give up looking for work and thus drop off from the register.
  
  I hope that it is a) above.
  
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  January 7, 2018 11:02am
  - Digmen1
    
    Why would anyone “give up” looking for work and thereby drop off the register?
    Surely that would mean they would no longer get welfare!
    So what would they live on?
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:07am
    - Jack5
      
      Selling marijuana. Burglary. Begging.
      
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      January 7, 2018 11:32am
    - KevOB
      
      People not in work for a defined period are dropped off by the “statisticians”.
      
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      January 7, 2018 5:36pm
- lifesgood
  
  Are Hagar and Wollf related?
  
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  January 7, 2018 11:05am
  - Jack5
    
    Both got writing rabies. Mad dogs.
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:34am
    - ztev
      
      Trump is full bore lying, saying ‘he’d didnt interview for a book
      
      Woolf still did interview/discussions/chats with Trump himself and more importantly his staff.
      
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      January 7, 2018 3:36pm
      - Brito
        
        And you know this how????
        
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        January 7, 2018 5:06pm
Mobile Michael

Media are reporting that Jim Anderton has died. Can’t say that I agreed with his politics but unlike most of his left wing contemporaries he believed in prioritising employment and income for working people and didn’t waste time promoting a lot of PC feel good BS.
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January 7, 2018 11:21am
- holysheet
  
  Now we wait for all the bullshitters from the left going full hog on how great he was.
  Another useless prick goes to see his sky fairy. I hope the next useless prick to go will be the drunken dwarf.
  
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  January 7, 2018 11:33am
  - nasska
    
    Anderton once claimed that he didn’t leave Labour but that Labour had left him. Since this was about the time of the Lange/Douglas reforms he was, to his way of thinking, probably right.
    
    If he’d stuck around he would have felt completely at home with Chompers & the Greens.
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:42am
  - kowtow
    
    RNZ 1 o’clock broadcast made it all about Jax.
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:32pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Yours was a putrid and ungracious comment, frankly. You might have disagreed with his politics (as do I), but you can’t have actually met Jim, otherwise you wouldn’t be so hateful.
    
    I had a bit to do with Jim Anderton many years ago and I often saw his kindness and consideration for his staff and others around him. He had a warm sense of humour and a deep, wicked twinkle in his eyes. RIP.
    
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    January 7, 2018 2:32pm
  - Gabby
    
    Holy shit, holyshit, bit harsh given you’ve one foot in the grave yourself.
    
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    January 7, 2018 6:25pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  But at least Comrade Jim’s passing has provided an excuse for Chompers to come out of hiding.
  I won’t miss the old prick.
  
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  January 7, 2018 11:34am
  - Rich Prick
    
    He’s God’s problem now. Should he bump into Lange a slanging match is bound to ensue.
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:40pm
  - Gabby
    
    Now your gruts are the crustiest of all cappy.
    
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    January 7, 2018 6:26pm
- Manolo
  
  Farewell to the old Stalinist.
  
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  January 7, 2018 11:39am
  - Morrissey
    
    That’s almost as ignorant a comment as your one about psychiatrists earlier on.
    
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    January 7, 2018 7:33pm
- Huevon
  
  Rest in Peace.
  
  I’m not looking forward to the hagiography from journalists too young to remember the leftist factional infighting associated with Anderton.
  
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  January 7, 2018 11:41am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Like you Michael I do not agree with his politics but I do not believe he had his snout in the trough or was a kiddie fiddler. His was a socialist which is allowed in a democracy.
  
  I wonder if those making disparaging comments would think that acceptable if those on the left did the same if a former National MP died.
  
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  January 7, 2018 12:03pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    You obviously don’t remember the comments from the left when Thatcher died. More bitter than anything the right could ever come up with.
    
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    January 7, 2018 12:41pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      You obviously don’t remember the comments from the left when Thatcher died. More bitter than anything the right could ever come up with.
      
      Margaret Thatcher backed the Khmer Rouge, Saddam Hussein’s Iraq, the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank, Indonesia’s occupation of East Timor, and a whole lot of other nefarious and bloodthirsty things. And that’s not even considering her devastating impact on Britain.
      
      And you, you foolish old muppet, are comparing her to JIM ANDERTON, who believed in human rights, not smashing human rights, and who worked for the poor and struggling all of his life.
      
      Don’t give me any of what you’re smoking, Cap’n—it’s done you no good whatsoever.
      
      http://mattmonroeastronaut.com/images/idiot.png
      
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      January 7, 2018 12:58pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Obviously when leftism takes hold it’s a pretty serious disease.
        Britain was never more prosperous than it was (and still is) since Thatcher’s reforms. I’d love to know how that is ‘devastating’.
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:13pm
      - Morrissey
        
        You really have no idea. I’m not a bit surprised.
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:24pm
    - itstricky
      
      You obviously don’t remember the comments from the left when Thatcher died. More bitter than anything the right could ever come up with.
      
      Awwwww…. but SIIIIRRRRRRRRRR he did it first SIIIIIRRRRRRRR
      
      Toxicidity levels on the increase today, I see.
      
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      January 7, 2018 1:45pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  Went to school with his son almost 40 years ago. Met him a few times when visiting his son. Gruff, but friendly.
  
  When I was a first time voter I remember thinking, “how can someone living in Remmers relate to the working class?” For many years after that I recall thinking he had a pretty entitled lifestyle. Then he lost one of his daughters and I realised it makes buggar all difference. Rich or poor, race, religion, political belief, suicide of a loved one levels the playing ground.
  
  May he find the peace he deserves.
  
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  January 7, 2018 12:11pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Well said NW.
    
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    January 7, 2018 2:28pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Unless of course they were a suicide bomber and the ground is levelled. Instant Martyrdom ?
    
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    January 7, 2018 11:28pm
- Peter
  
  RIP Jim Anderton.
  
  Didn’t agree with his politics, either, but he appeared to walk his talk more than most politicians on the left.
  
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  January 7, 2018 12:28pm
  - sooty
    
    Thank god the cathedral has not been rebuilt. The wankers would have wanted a state furneral.
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:00pm
    - Paulus
      
      Could never had happened – Cathedral is Anglican not Catholic.
      Basilica if it is rebuilt yet !
      
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      January 7, 2018 1:39pm
Manolo

Where is comrade Yoza, veteran communist?
Socialism is on a roll:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/venezuela-supermarkets-besieged-government-forces-price-cuts-164822021.html

Mobs of Venezuelans gathered outside some Caracas supermarkets on Saturday after President Nicolas Maduro’s government forced shops to slash prices, the latest unrest in the country’s food shortage crisis.

Authorities on Friday ordered supermarkets to cut prices to levels they were a month ago, a drastic reduction given Venezuela’s hyperinflation.

“We’re hungry! We want food!” they screamed. “In my house, we don’t eat three times a day,” said MileidyAcosta, a 28-year-old with three children. “People are fed up. A person earning the minimum wage couldn’t buy even tomato sauce.”
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January 7, 2018 11:37am
- holysheet
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/casualiama/comments/4phu2y/i_am_from_venezuela_where_packs_of_cigarettes/
  
  The economy here is crazy. My brother brought Marlboro Red 100 Pack a few months ago for $150 on the black market. Now the same pack would cost $1500.
  Using our new barter economy, we have been using the packs to buy groceries for the past 6 months
  
  Good old ciggies to the rescue. Who needs money when you can buy smokes instead of food.
  
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  January 7, 2018 11:50am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    When will these Socialists wake up? You can’t run a fish and chip shop if you can’t afford to buy tomato sauce
    
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    January 7, 2018 12:06pm
    - Peter
      
      They just blame America.
      
      Anything to avoid admitting they subscribe to a naive ideology that has never worked in practice.
      
      Ironically, an ideology that punishes the poor the most, whilst claiming to save them.
      
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      January 7, 2018 12:23pm
      - Morrissey
        
        The United States, with its partners in crime the U.K. and France, is responsible for the smashing of democracy in many states in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Africa, and in Central and South America. Recently, as we’ve seen with the massive disenfranchisement of black voters in Florida, Ohio, and several other key states targeted by Republican operatives, they’ve been destroying democracy in the United States as well.
        
        Who do YOU think was responsible for the destruction of democracy in Iran, Indonesia, Guatemala, Chile, Vietnam, Brazil, Nicaragua, and dozens of other countries that the United States has intervened in? What country has supported the horrifying dictatorship in Colombia for the last fifty years? What country do you think supported the stealing of the Honduras election last month? What country is actively supporting the bloody insurrection against the democratic government of Venezuela?
        
        And people, whether far away in New Zealand, or in countries victimized by its aggression and its intrigues, don’t “just blame America” as you claim; most people are far more intelligent and nuanced than you seem to realize.
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:22pm
Digmen1

I wish Jacinda and Grant baby would go there for their Xmas holidays.
So they can learn all about socialism.
Then go to Singapore and learn how to run a country!
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January 7, 2018 12:02pm
- MCos
  
  You want NZ to be the ultimate nanny state like Singapore?
  That might’ve been just fine with some of the administrations prior to Lange, but these days it would go down like a cup of cold sick.
  
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  January 7, 2018 1:50pm
- igm
  
  Fat Bandit would need to sprout wings before he went near Middle East, they have a tendency to check flying ability of weirdos.
  
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  January 7, 2018 3:54pm
stigie

With the passing of …i know im right Jim Anderton, maybe now the Christchurch Cathedral will be left in peace !~
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January 7, 2018 12:07pm
- Happychappy
  
  A self serving prick that only though of himself.
  
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  January 7, 2018 12:43pm
  - big bruv
    
    Jim Anderton was a narcissistic prick, a bully and a liar. NZ is better off without him.
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:16pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Jesus H. CHRIST, big bruv, I hope you don’t stand up to speak about me during eulogy time at my funeral.
      
      http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/9a/9ac86bc081c8364309d81518ea4d31d0b529b1454741a16edc723c239120a320.jpg
      
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      January 7, 2018 1:40pm
      - big bruv
        
        I’ve seen the way the left act when someone from the right passes always. I remember when they were full of joy at the passing of Lady Thatcher. I resolved that day to treat the passing of their hero’s in the same manner.
        
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        January 7, 2018 3:50pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        The Left were arseholes when Baroness Thatcher died bruv. But that doesn’t give the Right carte blanche to be equally as arsehole-ish.
        
        My long-departed mother always taught me not to speak ill of the dead, and that if you didn’t have something good to say about some departed person, it was better to say nothing at all.
        
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        January 7, 2018 4:45pm
    - Happychappy
      
      ChristChurch were lucky enough to dodge a bullet when he stood and lost the Mayoral race in 2010.
      
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      January 7, 2018 1:47pm
  - Viking2
    
    yep and look at the rest of the left footers coming out to tell us what a great guy he was, Bolger,English et all. No wonder we are rooted with all these socialist pricks from the Popes stable.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:14pm
- chiz
  
  maybe now the Christchurch Cathedral will be left in peace !
  
  Sadly, no. Burdon is still alive will carry on trying to tell the Anglicans what they can and can’t do with their property.
  
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  January 7, 2018 2:25pm
Digmen1

Shame about Jim for him and his family.
But I hated his politics and his shouting style.
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January 7, 2018 12:09pm
- Southern Raider
  
  His legacy is trying to hide suicide stats
  
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  January 7, 2018 12:35pm
  - KevinH
    
    Condolences to the Anderton family.
    I met Jim at the Trades Union Centre in Newton back in the early seventies.
    It was a free ranging chat about the politics of inclusion, i.e. women, minorities and of course workers.
    Jim was quite forth right in his dialogue and a little intimidating for those present. His credentials within Labour were beyond reproach consequently most were shrinking violets in his presence. I came away from the meeting thinking he would be a hard cookie to crack and difficult to negotiate with, which in later years proved an accurate summation of him.
    
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    January 7, 2018 2:06pm
Digmen1

As regards Syria.
I get sick of watching all the air attack areas, and the bombing and destruction and the children in hospital.
They keep blaming the Syrian government.

Why don’t the media suggest that the rebels give up and stop fighting, then they could get back to peace.
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January 7, 2018 12:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  Digmen1 , but we also won’t blame Commander in Chief Donald Trump ?,
  
  https://theintercept.com/2017/09/25/syria-us-airstrike-civilian-death-hrw-tabqa/
  
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  January 7, 2018 12:36pm
  - Manolo
    
    Heads and shoulders above the supremely emasculated former President Obama, isn’t he?
    
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    January 7, 2018 12:46pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo , no . I choose not to indulge in deluded thinking like you .
      
      Timeline for the completion of the Mexican border wall and other vast infrastructure projects from the self confessed , ” very stable genius ” ??
      
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      January 7, 2018 12:50pm
      - stigie
        
        We hear you are a “very stable genius” yourself Stiffie..?
        
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        January 7, 2018 12:58pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        “stephieboy
        Manolo , no . I choose not to indulge in deluded thinking like you .”
        
        The bullshit/irony meter just went into orbit.
        
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        January 7, 2018 4:28pm
  - Digmen1
    
    How can it be Trump to blame – the rebels have been fighting for many years now!
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:37pm
- Morrissey
  
  “Syrian Rebels” is a technical word for ISIS and Al Qaeda.
  
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  January 7, 2018 1:01pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Morrissey , very technical and untruthful.
    
    For example the Rebel factions included Syrian Kurds and others opposed to ISIS and Al Qaeda >
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:30pm
- cha
  
  They keep blaming the Syrian government.
  
  So the socialist Ba’athists and their Iranian allies are the the good guys?.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Socialist_Ba%27ath_Party_%E2%80%93_Syria_Region
  
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  January 7, 2018 1:04pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Yes, compared to ISIS, Al Qaeda, and their American, Saudi, Turkish, French, and British backers, they are indeed the good guys.
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:26pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Morrissey , the US did not back nether ISIS nor Al Qaeda .
      Chomsky ideological Anti US fantasies ,
      
      http://www.newsweek.com/isis-oil-deals-assad-regime-revealed-us-special-forces-raid-452426
      
      Things are a lot more complex than anti US dogma
      
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      January 7, 2018 1:32pm
      - Morrissey
        
        This has been comprehensively dealt with before—last year. You were shown to be an ignoramus and a liar then, and I’m not going to keelhaul you again, in spite of the amusement that would no doubt provide for many on this site.
        
        And what the hell would YOU know about Chomsky?
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:34pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Morrissey , well I know this ,
        
        “Surprising facts about the political commentator Noam Chomsky, from the book Do As I Say (Not As I Do)”
        
        http://www.newsofinterest.tv/politics/book_summaries/daisnaid/daisnaid_chomsky.php
        
        The fact also MIT like many others US universities receives funding for research projects from the US Dept of Defence !
        
        https://news.vice.com/article/these-are-the-100-most-militarized-universities-in-america
        
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        January 7, 2018 1:42pm
      - Swifty
        
        Bitchfight!!!!!
        
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        January 7, 2018 2:13pm
      - holysheet
        
        dumb bitches fighting.
        
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        January 7, 2018 5:03pm
      - Morrissey
        
        “well, I know this…”
        
        You know nothing.
        
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        January 7, 2018 7:34pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes, If you saw videos on life in Syria before the Arab Spring it did not look too bad.
    The people were westernised, the streets were busy.
    The bars and night clubs etc were full
    
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    January 7, 2018 1:36pm
    - stephieboy
      
      A time line the Syrian Civil War that began c 25 March 2011 when Al Assad fired on peaceful protestors,
      
      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-21797661
      
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      January 7, 2018 1:47pm
      - kevn
        
        septicboy and morris minor hammering it out… Where is z?
        The triad would then have the full complement of…(whatever comes to mind)
        
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        January 7, 2018 6:38pm
    - cha
      
      it did not look too bad.
      
      I guess things were as peachy as fuck, if you supported the Assad gang of dynastic thugs from a religious minority and their republican monarchy shtick, who’ve spent the past fifty years repressing, imprisoning, torturing and murdering any and all opposition.
      
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      January 7, 2018 2:00pm
      - Digmen1
        
        Did you read my post above, or did you just listen to the media?
        
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        January 7, 2018 2:34pm
      - cha
        
        Oh, so you’re a fan of Assad and his Hezbollah pals.
        
        btw, seems Assad and Hamas are back to playing BFF, too
        
        https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/08/palestine-hamas-relations-syria-regime-iran-mediation.html
        
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        January 7, 2018 2:49pm
    - KevinH
      
      Libya under Gaddaffi also looked relatively prosperous pre the Arab Spring.
      Free health care, education and housing for the elite, but of course that was an illusion, Gaddaffi simply murdered anyone who disagreed with him or you simply dissappeared.
      Gaddiffi even managed to address the UN and had support from African nations despite being implicated in the Lockerbie bombing.
      However none of his supposed supporters were able to stop him from copping a bullet in the head when him and his regime collapsed.
      
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      January 7, 2018 4:38pm
waikatogirl

Cindy has been reported as being at home in Auckland when she commented on the death of Jim Anderton who she referred to in glowing terms.

One good socialist praising another.

The headline in the Herald above Cindy’s video on Jim is:

“Helen Clark’s tribute to ‘diligent, kind’ Jim Anderton”.
HC’s comment was below the video.
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January 7, 2018 1:53pm
- Inandout
  
  Of course Anderton had a factory whereas Cindy has poverdy.
  
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  January 7, 2018 2:21pm
- Manolo
  
  The word vomit comes to mind…
  
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  January 7, 2018 3:34pm
kowtow

Egyptian accused of murder in Ireland , a leading paper says …..

“Never before has it been so crucially important for the State to put in place a fully-integrated, sophisticated, functional immigration system so that the authorities know who is entering the country, and can then monitor their movements until such time as they have cleared a rigorous security screening and granted permission to stay.

There is nothing draconian, or indeed unfair, in such a system which finds balance between human rights and national security. In fact, it is the least the citizens of the State deserve.”

When Trump says the same thing he’s called a racist.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/paul-williams-worrying-dundalk-attack-shows-states-security-regime-is-not-up-to-scratch-36463911.html
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January 7, 2018 1:53pm
- Digmen1
  
  Why let people in that you will have to monitor at great expense in the first place.
  No muslims please.
  
  And yes, protecting borders and peoples safety are the FIRST priority of any government.
  Then tax and customs
  Then the army etc.
  
  Health and education and welfare were not and should not be goverment funded.
  
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  January 7, 2018 2:33pm
Longknives

“Protecting borders and peoples safety are the FIRST priority of any government.”

Sorry Digmen- Jacinda’s Virtue Signalling and getting her ‘Dream Job’ at the United Nations is way,way more important to this Labour Government!
Her ruthless ambition will cost innocent New Zealanders their lives…
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January 7, 2018 2:51pm
Jack5

Where is TeamKea?

Kea likes to get into the mountains for a bit of climbing, so perhaps that’s where she/he is.
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January 7, 2018 3:02pm
UpandComer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW5rdoqtTiQ

Everybody here needs to listen to this video. This is the result of section 16C in Ontario. A student is brought before an SJW inquisition in the University of Toronto and told if she doesn’t stop stating medical facts at odds with transgender and queer theory she will face severe consequences. She also needs to undertake a process of re-education.

It’s a violation of section 16C ‘human rights’ legislation in Ontario to state medical facts – subject to large fines, loss of ‘reinstatement’ of job roles, and as Jordan Peterson says, jail upon failure to acquiesce to earlier penalties because those facts are at odds with Transgender and Queer theory.

When the inquisitor refers to ‘white supremacist’ campaigns, he’s referring to pieces of paper which say ‘it’s okay to be white’ which were plastered around the University by evil Canadians. Because saying ‘it’s okay’ in Canada, most of Australia – Canberra, Victoria, large chunks of New South Wales, Tasmania, and actually a fair chunk of New Zealand, is supremacist.

Here is the NZ Labour government’s ‘SAFE schools’ program:

Real action so we have safe schools for our young people

No young person should be subject to verbal and physical abuse, and made to feel inferior, especially in schools. Labour will take action to eradicate discrimination, violence and bullying, and to combat suicide and self-harm.

Labour will ensure that schools are fully supported in dealing with behavioural issues by increasing the number of social workers available to all levels of the education sector, ensuring all schools have an effective anti-bullying programme and providing external multi-agency support for schools in cases of criminal activity, such as assault
Labour will review the funding system for guidance counsellors in schools, including investigating the possibility of ring-fencing that funding so that it can only be used to fund guidance counsellors, and consider how additional counselling services can be offered to primary and intermediate school students
Labour will support schools to develop comprehensive policies and actions to deal with bullying on the grounds of actual or perceived sexual orientation, gender identity, gender expression and intersex status, implement the Ministry of Education’s Sexuality Education Guidelines and ensure intensive intervention and adequate levels of support for Rainbow youth in the compulsory education system.

What hopefully can be seen from the Canadian experience, and in Australia, is that the ‘counsellors’ end up becoming indoctrination enforcers, and extra-parental facilitators of queer and transgender theory nonsense. All of the language around ‘bullying’ is a ruse to validate the kind of practices in Canada around compulsory, coerced indoctrination of young people into nonsense theories.

Everyone should keep a close eye on what Labour do here in this area.
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January 7, 2018 3:52pm
- Harriet
  
  You don’t want to know what the public school kids are taught in Victoria under the ‘safe schools’ model. You really don’t.
  
  “………The prime architect of the program, Roz/Ross Ward, has been quite upfront about the real aims of the SS program. At a Safe Schools national symposium she spilled the beans about the program and their real agenda:
  
  “(It’s) about celebrating diversity; not about stopping bullying. (It’s) about gender and sexual diversity. About same-sex attractive, about being transgender, about being lesbian, gay, bisexual — say the words — transgender, intersex. Not just, ‘Be nice to everyone; everyone’s great’.” ……..”
  
  She/he is also a full on commie with the socialists and antifa types, and well known in Labour Greens and ALL the other leftist mobs.
  
  Victoria really is like the USSR as NSW have put the whole safe schools programme in the rubbish bin after a campaign by senior child phycologists etc. and the wider public, and are now producing their own programme with the emphasis being on bullying itself, and not on the promotion of general sexual disorder, yet Victoria has said they will keep the model and implement it further into the schools!!!!!
  
  Cindy would want every NZ kid to celebrate the sodomites — as Key wanted every adult to do so. 😎
  
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  January 7, 2018 4:40pm
  - Gabby
    
    She’s no communist Harry. Good communists accept the gender identity bestowed by the state. Are working men or working women comrades. Have sex to make young strong workers. No baby workers come out of poopy hole. Only decadent runningdog capitalist egotists think they can make up their very own private sex.
    
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    January 7, 2018 6:41pm
UpandComer

Just to supplement by post above – there is NO EVIDENCE in Victoria that justifies the imposition of the Safe Schools program:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/safe-schools-victorias-det-cant-prove-homophobic-bullying/news-story/11b9fe2832a44e3cd39041a6d94566a0

As our favourite purple haired buzz cut mad-woman who said ‘half of all kids in Australia are gay’ who talks about creating the conditions for ‘the child to meet the adult sexual gaze with confidence and self determination’ in her scholarly works, alongside her friends at La Trobe university, says, the program is designed to increase gender and sex diversity, not respond to bullying.

https://www.minus18.org.au/ – here is a helpful state funded website. The links which linked to hardcore pornographic websites have been tidied up. It’s looking quite nice now. You should familiarise with this content – this is the most saline and sanitised it gets, but this is what your under 5’s will be learning in NZ if Labour get a second term, I’d almost bet my hat on it.

Here is the booklet: http://www.education.vic.gov.au/Documents/about/programs/health/AllOfUs_UnitGuide.pdf

Which teaches your 13 year old they have 2 virginities.

The Safe Schools Alliance has deleted their ‘whole schools’ landing page, which talks about the need to spread queer and gender theory throughout the entirety of school curricula. So math questions, literally, like ‘if Dave has a threesome with Bob and Steve, and they have 12 dildos in equal numbers, red, blue and green, what is the ratio of dildos to Dave’s two boyfriends?’ That’s for under 12’s.

Here is an extract from the curricula:
“It will teach students in Grade 1 the proper names for body parts. Grade 2 students will learn about the broad concept of consent by being told that no means no. Concepts of gender identity will be introduced in Grade 3, though the curriculum doesn’t get explicit and positions sexual orientation as one of the potential qualities that distinguish people from one another.

Discussions about puberty move to Grade 4 from Grade 5, while education about intercourse will take place the following year. Masturbation and “gender expression” will be taught in Grade 6, while kids in Grades 7 and 8 will discuss contraception, anal and oral sex, preventing pregnancy and sexually transmitted infections”

Note: Grade 7 and 8 is year 7 and 8 – so that’s 11 and 12 year olds. But again, this is the heavily santisied version. The reality encompasses masturbation and pamphlets with contact numbers to ‘sexual guidance facilitators’ lol – as in, adults who will help the 12 year old explore their sexuality.

But remember, there is no pedophile agenda, and anyone who looks at this and goes, wait, what the heck? is a right wing homophobic transphobic probably white supremacist or religious nutjob, who needs to be subjected to vicious anti-speech laws like section 18C in Australia, or section 16C in Ontario.

I am telling you right now, given what New Zealand Labour is, keep a very close eye on whatever Hipkins replaces National Standards with. I guarantee we will get a ‘whole schools’ approach to ‘intersectionality inter-sexuality’ in NZ.
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January 7, 2018 4:16pm
- KevOB
  
  Are they going to be taught about dirty old men in toilets being sexual “partners” too? Sexual experimentation at puberty is normal: transformation is not.
  
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  January 7, 2018 5:46pm
  - starboard
    
    MM / gloryholer can help in that field..he sifts around public shithouses.
    
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    January 7, 2018 5:58pm
- Morrissey
  
  Rubbish. Paranoid, fantastic rubbish. Where did you get this sensational scoop—your local Family Fist meeting?
  
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  January 7, 2018 7:59pm
Fletch

I just watched the presentation at the end of the tennis and it looks like the Maori have taken over. The players came out to Maori blowing horns and the players being held by the hand and walked in by Maori women. Then at the end the winner had a Maori cloak put on her and given a Maori necklace. The announcer said this would be a tradition from now on. Look I’m fine with Maori tradition etc, but what does it have to do with tennis? It’s like this stuff is being pushed onto everything.
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January 7, 2018 4:45pm
- UpandComer
  
  At least the Maori stuff has some authenticity –
  I don’t mind a bit of Maori ceremony in NZ. Witness ESPN wishing everyone a ‘happy Kwanzaa’ over Christmas lol.
  
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  January 7, 2018 5:28pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  White ‘Guilt’.
  
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  January 7, 2018 5:40pm
  - starboard
    
    Shove ya stoneage mouldyana up thy arse.
    Sooner they die out the better. Fuck this tail waggin the dog shit.
    
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    January 7, 2018 5:48pm
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Bingo…
    
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    January 7, 2018 5:48pm
    - starboard
      
      Yo down at da bingo hall NW?
      
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      January 7, 2018 5:59pm
- Longknives
  
  Maori invented Tennis! (Just like they claim to have invented everything else)
  Didn’t you know Fletch??
  
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  January 7, 2018 6:24pm
  - itstricky
    
    (Just like they claim to have invented everything else)
    
    I’m intrigued. Like what?
    
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    January 7, 2018 8:38pm
    - starboard
      
      Airwaves for starters
      
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      January 7, 2018 8:51pm
    - Viking2
      
      Water even. 😆
      
      Probably going to claim the sky Fairy book next.
      
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      January 7, 2018 9:18pm
- Harriet
  
  If you think the maoris are a problem to tennis in NZ this year – then read a 365 day list of what the muslims and government officials were doing to the whole of the UK last year.
  
  Read this list from the Gatestone Institute and you will be under no illusion that England is long long gone!
  
  July 4. The National Health Service (NHS) recorded 5,391 new cases of female genital mutilation (FGM) during the past year. Almost half the victims were women and girls living in London. One-third were women and girls born in Somalia, while 112 cases were UK-born nationals. Although FGM was banned in the UK in 1985, not a single person has been convicted of the crime.
  
  November 28. The General Secretary of the Union for Borders, Immigration & Customs, Lucy Moreton, said that Britain has “no way” of ever tracking down the hundreds of thousands illegal immigrants working on the black market. “If you are here illegally you can survive very well, you access medical services your child can go to school the chances of us catching you are very, very slim,” said Morten. “If you don’t break the law we are not going to get you as we don’t have the resources. We can’t catch you.”
  
  That’s just a govt official speaking one day. And above that is one single report of muslims on another day.
  Read here all the other days that the British govt announce their surrender to Muslims 😎
  
  https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11648/britain-islamization-2017
  
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  January 7, 2018 6:30pm
  - Gabby
    
    More decadent capitalist runningdoggystyle at work Harry. Good communists would not damage State property by hacking at little workers’ girly bits.
    
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    January 7, 2018 6:50pm
  - sam green
    
    Ahhh the Gatestone Institute — that bastion of neutrality and fair reporting.
    
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    January 7, 2018 7:34pm
    - starboard
      
      Stooooopid boy
      
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      January 7, 2018 7:43pm
      - sam green
        
        Thought you were dead,
        
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        January 7, 2018 8:17pm
      - starboard
        
        Go felch yaself
        
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        January 7, 2018 8:33pm
- kevn
  
  Fletch… Wot, no haka? That seems mandatory for most anything.
  
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  January 7, 2018 6:31pm
- Morrissey
  
  The Maori have taken over, have they? Were they pushing “intersectional sexuality” like our fearful friend UpandComer has been panting about?
  
  The German winner of the tournament seemed more than delighted. You can feel free to be ashamed and angry though. Just keep your voice down, however—people who hear you talking like that will likely give you a kick in the arse.
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:03pm
cha

I guess Abedin and Kelly should be double-bunked.
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Crooked Hillary Clinton’s top aid, Huma Abedin, has been accused of disregarding basic security protocols. She put Classified Passwords into the hands of foreign agents. Remember sailors pictures on submarine? Jail! Deep State Justice Dept must finally act? Also on Comey & others— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 2, 2018

White House officials believe that chief of staff John Kelly’s personal cellphone was compromised, potentially as long ago as December, according to three U.S. government officials.

The discovery raises concerns that hackers or foreign governments may have had access to data on Kelly’s phone while he was secretary of Homeland Security and after he joined the West Wing.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/05/john-kelly-cell-phone-compromised-243514
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January 7, 2018 4:57pm
- All_on_Red
  
  My favourite (apart from John Podestas Password being P@ssw0rd) is Bill Clinton losing the Nuclear Codes!
  
  https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/10/why-clintons-losing-the-nuclear-biscuit-was-really-really-bad/65009/
  
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  January 7, 2018 7:47pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Wed ( Herring ) ,
    
    Highly misleading and true to form, ,
    
    Did Bill Clinton lose America’s nuclear launch codes?
    
    “..How could something like that simply get lost?
    Although the “movies may show the president wearing these codes around his neck, it’s pretty standard that they are safeguarded by one of his aides,” writes Shelton. “But that aide sticks with him like glue.” There is also a military protocol for checking on the codes, but the Clinton aide seemed to talk his (or her) way around those standard inspections.
    How was the situation resolved?
    When it was time to replace the old codes with new ones, the aide finally confessed what happened, and the president was immediately issued a new “biscuit.” Whether the aide suffered repercussions for misplacing the codes is not clear.
    What would have happened if the codes had fallen into the wrong hands?
    The world was probably not in imminent danger. Former Homeland Security advisor Fran Townsend tells CNN that, even if an unathorized person got ahold of the codes, “it is very unlikely that they could execute a launch, because the “biscuit” is “only one part of the launch protocol.” Actually launching a nuclear strike involves a “multi-layered system” that includes the aforementioned “football.”
    Did Clinton know about the problem?
    Probably not. The president “assumed, I’m sure,” writes Shelton, “that the aide had them like he was supposed to….”
    
    http://theweek.com/articles/489930/did-bill-clinton-lose-americas-nuclear-launch-codes
    
    I trust your idol Trump has learned the lesson well and has ‘ biscuit “attached to each change of nappies !
    
    LOL
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:00pm
UpandComer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiHb4KJLFyE

This encapsulates the struggle of western civilization right now. Jordan Peterson is the reasonable man, the woman the reasonable woman, and the oleaginous lawyer and the vile toad creature calling speech abuse are the irrational worm-tongues abusing the good sense and goodwill of the reasonable men and women to fulfil their own ugly little agendas.
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January 7, 2018 5:22pm
Left Right and Centre

“The number of people losing their lives on our roads has increased every year for the past five years. When things are this bad government has a responsibility to act,” Ms Genter said.

Wow – looks like there won’t be a road toll soon. Thanks Julie – I knew you could do it.
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January 7, 2018 5:25pm
Brito

Brothers and sisters (and Gobby) just in case we forget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szaKnOhJbow
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January 7, 2018 5:43pm
nasska

They have a very old saying in Mount Roskill.

Salem alaikum allahu Akbar.
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January 7, 2018 7:42pm
- Manolo
  
  @stephieboy: Translation, please.
  
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  January 7, 2018 7:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  nasska , your delusions have finally taken control.
  
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  January 7, 2018 9:04pm
Manolo

@stephieboy: Translation, please.
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January 7, 2018 7:53pm
- starboard
  
  Please, let me
  
  ” we are going to rape your daughters and grandmothers then sodomise your husbands, fathers and goats”
  
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  January 7, 2018 8:01pm
  - nasska
    
    The function of socialism is to raise suffering
    to a higher level.
    
    Norman Mailer (1923 – 2007)
    
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    January 7, 2018 8:15pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      “The objective of socialism is the common sharing of misery.”
      
      Captain Mainwaring, January 2018.
      
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      January 7, 2018 9:08pm
  - itstricky
    
    Six comments today, starboard, and 4 out of those 6 are about back sides, public facilities or sodomising. 66%. Stellar effort. No fixation whatsoever.
    
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    January 7, 2018 8:43pm
    - starboard
      
      Stalker. Get a job.
      
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      January 7, 2018 8:53pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Starboard ,n Mt Roskill ? You’re obviously ill.
    
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    January 7, 2018 9:05pm
New Zealand Last

RIP to Jim Anderton.

Very depressing to read the opinion piece by Tracy Watkins, basically using it as an advertisement to promote the Labour Party whilst playing down his Alliance and Progressive Parties:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/100380818/andertons-lasting-legacy
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January 7, 2018 9:36pm
- igm
  
  No wonder the editorial department of Fairfax is now known as “Fairfax Filth”. Bet the scum are proud of themselves having totally ruined a once proud and respected brand in media!
  
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