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MT_Tinman

Has there ever been a more disappointing Xmas tour of NZ than the just concluded West Indies one?
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January 4, 2018 8:09am
- Happychappy
  
  Wouldn’t the greats of the 70’s / 80’s be embarrassed by the way the West Indies show a lack of fight or credablity now days.
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:16am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    I agree.
    
    This team does not want to play cricket unless a large pay packet is involved.
    
    Obviously there is no pride in playing for the Windies.
    
    Worryingly, with the current administration wanting to play only the short games the NZ team could go the same way.
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:23am
    - Longknives
      
      I think the NZ side under Williamson has restored a lot of the pride and respect for the shirt that disappeared when McCullum was Captain.
      
      I will never forget watching New Zealand batting to save a Test on the final day and seeing one of McCullum’s ‘Boys’ playing a fucking ramp shot (Hoping to catch the eye of the Indian T20 scouts)
      To McCullum Test matches were clearly just a chance to get a 20/20 ‘Hit and Giggle’ contract.
      Williamson seems to respect and enjoy Test Cricket.
      
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      January 4, 2018 8:55am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        I think you are completely wrong.
        
        McCullum had the team attempting to win every game.
        
        He may not have got it right all the time but NZ did not become everyone’s “second” team by accident.
        
        People worlwide enjoyed watching them play.
        
        Since his retirement NZ fielding has drifted back to average and they no longer compete with the better teams (while still thrashing the minnows in real cricket).
        
        Notably in the coloured clothing they were thrashed by Bangladesh recently and lost their standing in the candyfloss stuff after being done by India for the first time.
        
        Looking for a T20 contract? McCullum’s heroics in the first IPL (10 years ago) means that his contract there is assured.
        
        As for Williamson “respecting and enjoying” test cricket I call bollocks to that.
        
        He is part of the ND led push to remove test cricket from the NZ program.
        
        He plays it because he has to and his performances recently reflect that.
        
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        January 4, 2018 9:19am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Every Captain has his right time and place in sport.
        
        When McCallum came in the Black Caps were woeful and had no backbone. Brendan might have been unconventional to the purest but he brought some mongrel to the team when we needed it and the rest of the cricketing nations sat up. Even Australia started having second thoughts when playing NZ.
        
        The semi final against South Africa would have be one of the best live sporting events I’ve ever seen and BMac had a lot to do with how we never gave up.
        
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        January 4, 2018 10:30am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Longknives; you seem to have forgotten when McCullum made New Zealand’s only test triple century, we were in the shit against India when he came to the wicket. He saved that match, and even gave us an outside chance of winning. That was after having made a double century in the previous match which DID give New Zealand a win.
        
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        January 4, 2018 10:40am
      - Longknives
        
        That’s the thing about being a mindless slogger-
        When it works- it pays dividends spectacularly and everyone raves about you (World Cup Semi)
        When you fail you fail miserably ..(World Cup Final)
        
        McCullum was an exciting batsman to watch but give me Williamson with a Test average of over 50 anyday…
        
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        January 4, 2018 12:28pm
    - oldgolfer
      
      Don’t know about the pay packet but it was pretty clear Gayle, the supposed star, would rather have been elsewhere.
      I can think of good club teams which would have given them a run for their money.
      
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      January 4, 2018 9:03am
      - Sam_Bro
        
        John Key. A stain on humanity. A branch of the Clintons, Obamas & Globalists that invented WMDs. A Marxist puppet propping up non democratically elected elites in EU creating & dictating Laws to countries who give up sovereignty. The antithesis of Freedom & Self Determination.
        
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        January 4, 2018 4:13pm
      - GazzaW
        
        So WTF has John Key got to do with your grizzles Sam and why is he a stain on humanity?
        
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        January 4, 2018 5:03pm
      - Sam_Bro
        
        Gaza you poor snow flake. It’s not Jacinda’s policies that have doomed the economy. It was John Keys airy fairy policies that have doomed the NZ economy.
        
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        January 5, 2018 10:55am
    - hullkiwi
      
      I agree money is the problem, but it’s not just the players, the problem is throughout the game.
      For most of the past 2 decades traditional cricket has not drawn the crowds to fund the game, but pyjama T20 has (especially the IPL). So, “to secure” cricket, the ECB together with the ACB and the Indian Board divided a two tier regime of England, Aust & India as tier 1 and the rest would be tier 2. This allowed Aust, Eng & India to play each other more frequently & guarantee more money. Leaving the other countries to fight for the scraps. This leaves players looking for chances in the IPL or to play in the Aussie Big Bash for a big pay day. End result tours like we’ve just had are not good for the game. Irrespective of how well the kiwis are going.
      
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      January 4, 2018 9:27am
  - brett68
    
    When you look at the old windies test teams, you will notice just about all of them played English county cricket.
    
    You lived and breathed cricket in a professional environment, what you’re seeing here is how average and amateur the domestic game is in the Caribbean.
    
    http://www.thepca.co.uk/west-indians-playing-in-english-county-cricket-are-so-few.html
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:29am
    - Brigitte
      
      Their fall was precipitated by this as late 90s (I think) they said they’d only pick from players in the domestic league. So Haynes & Greenwich said goodbye as did other senior players. That left a weakened test side with no mentors for the test rookies. Predictably their playing standard plummeted.
      
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      January 4, 2018 9:56am
    - Southern Raider
      
      I read that in the 70s every kid across the West Indies countries would be out playing cricket every day, think like India now. But that today all they want to be is USA sports stars.
      
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      January 4, 2018 10:32am
- Dave Mann
  
  I have no interest in cricket whatsoever and I think its a boring waste of time…. BUT…. I have enjoyed reading the comments here following MT_Tinman’s original post.
  
  They all (so far) show respectful discussion by a group of people who obviously know about and care about the game. I think I’ve learned something about cricket from reading this thread. Cheers guys.
  
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  January 4, 2018 10:40am
  - Longknives
    
    There is still time for you to learn the beautiful intricacies of the LBW rule Dave! It’s never too late..
    
    Maybe at our next Kiwiblog piss-up You,Me, Kimbo and Tinman can pull up a table and talk cricket…
    
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    January 4, 2018 12:48pm
  - oldgolfer
    
    Never too late, Dave. I recall trying to explain test cricket to an American. It was going reasonably well until I mentioned declarations and follow-ons.
    ”Oh goddam, that just doesn’t make any sense,” I think was the gist of his reply, and he ordered a round of drinks.
    
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    January 4, 2018 1:59pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Cricket is clear, uncomplicated and lightning fast compared to American sports.
      
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      January 4, 2018 3:11pm
Happychappy

Is Winston on holiday with Barry Soper as their is no story’s about Winston from MSM where Barely sober is Winston’s mouth piece.
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January 4, 2018 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  Are Winston and Bazza in detox?
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:13am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Winnie has been missing since the CoL was formed.
  
  Long may that continue.
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:13am
  - kevn
    
    MT… The ‘odd’ press release from NZF/winnie is probably penned by a staffer. He was in the house back in December.
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:17am
  - pdm
    
    Winston is in Raro where they apparently had to change the law so that Shane Jones could get married in the last couple of days.
    
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    January 4, 2018 1:02pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Shane married Winston in Rarotonga?
      
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      January 4, 2018 3:55pm
      - GazzaW
        
        A couple of bottles of Chivas Regal and a widescreen TV was all that was required for a memorable wedding night.
        
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        January 4, 2018 4:59pm
- Paulus
  
  No – Peters has been told by the Party (read the Martin women) to stay away and out of things as they negotiated the Labour agreement – Peter was their but only in spirit (whisky).
  He is expected to be away a lot of the time leaving the “ladies” to lead their forlorn fight.
  The Party is now prepared for the non existence of Peters.
  Of course he will splutter from time to time but with no real effect in the longer term. The Party has decided that now they have their own baubles to play with without Peters, despite what he may think in his dotage, and baubles.
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:22am
  - hullkiwi
    
    I don’t have a problem if the old hag of Warkworth tries to exert influence over NZ Last. It will only hasten the party’s demise as she scraps it out with the motor mechanic again. Martin will only lead them closer to Liebore & certain political death.
    
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    January 4, 2018 12:02pm
    - ztev
      
      You mean like what happened to National after 2008 when its largest coalition partner ACT imploded ?
      Oh thats right …nothing happened to national…funny that
      
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      January 4, 2018 3:06pm
- GazzaW
  
  Soper and the child bride will be living it up somewhere flash offshore where he’s been able to score a freeby and flown there with an airline who’s been prepared to flick them an upgrade. We’ll hear all about it ad nauseum on his return.
  
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  January 4, 2018 10:08am
oldpark

Hope the clown Justin Lester known as Wellingtons Mayor has gotten off his taxpayer funded arse and directed his taxpayer funded employees to make sure the street drains have been cleared of debris.
After all with the forecasted storm heading for Wellington,a repeat of the flooding which took place last week should not be repeated.
Was not a good look for the now being repeated inept inane services that Wellingtons rate payers are paying for.
Almost daily we read or hear about the goody two shoes,too sweet to be wholesome Lester,and his deeds of derring do for the City and its services.
Seems since the ratepayers were gouged to pay for the so called living wage, services for the city have taken a hit.
Time for Lester and his gang of Lie-bour/ Green council freeloaders to deliver for the ratepayers,and stop telling us all how good they are. Perception says ,good all right ,good for nothing.What a disgrace.
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January 4, 2018 8:13am
- waikatogirl
  
  Well don’t hold your breath oldpark. The promised rain hasn’t eventuated up here yet! We battened down the hatches last night for the predicted strong winds and rain. Nada, nothing so far except a grey, calm morning. ☔️
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:16am
  - oldpark
    
    As the saying goes “,it wont happen overnight,but it will happen”. Waikatogirl,regardless hope 2018 is a peace of mind “Happy New Year” for you. Go well stay safe,Keep up your KB input. Some of your comments are priceless.
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:22am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Thanks oldpark. A safe and properous NY to you and yours too.
      Yes, the rain will arrive here before long. The WCC should have another full working day to finish their preventive drain clearing.
      
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      January 4, 2018 8:31am
  - Paulus
    
    The RNZ experts some hour before the cricket at the Mount said it would be raining – it didn’t, and if they had asked anybody from say 4pm onwards there it was not going to be rained off.
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:30am
  - hullkiwi
    
    WG, some rain in the north for the past hour. But no mega deluge. Seems the MetService has gone the Pommy way & over hype each passing storm, least they experience a Michael Fish moment (1987).
    That said the rain is welcome up here, so far in the North, it has rained every day this year!
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:41am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Watch out for the predicted huge swell on the west coast beaches hulkiwi. A warning a few days ago to stay away from the beaches. Don’t get swept off your boogie board. ? ? ?
      
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      January 4, 2018 8:50am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Chance would be a fine thing! Mrs HK has got me doing flat pack furniture assembly.
        Rain has become light drizzle, no thunderstorms, just my temper exploding at appalling Asian instructions supplied with said flat pack.
        
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        January 4, 2018 9:07am
      - waikatogirl
        
        We are all cheering your efforts for completing the flat pack hulkiwi.
        
        Regular progress reports to entertain us please! ?
        
        Gentle rain has arrived in the Waikato…
        
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        January 4, 2018 9:22am
      - hullkiwi
        
        WG, flat pack duly assembled. No thanks to generic Asian instructions – all diagrams that don’t make sense and no words, plus one pack instructions were missing. Of course there was the usual inventory of missing pieces, and excess of others, all put right by trip to local hardware DIY store and a bottle of PVA glue. Par for the course really.
        
        The rain here has been persistent since 11.15am, and the wind has got up after dark. Though, no flooding here yet, rivers are not too swollen. Because of rain over past 3 days, may be the rain is soaking into the ground which is good news.
        
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        January 4, 2018 10:07pm
    - GazzaW
      
      You mean we’re not about to get the storm of the century with the heaviest rainfall in seventy years, the highest winds since records began and the biggest king tide since 1951??
      
      The Herald must be off its game.
      
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      January 4, 2018 10:20am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Sorry, Gazza so far they’ve oversold it again! West of Warkworth, it was rain after 7.30, drizzle until 11.15, & then a slightly heavier shower of rain. We’re not complaining our grass & the tanks needed the water.
        As for Auckland, given the crap (pun intended) about Water care, expect more of the brown stuff & may be a flood in New Lynn (because of the screwed up drainage).
        
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        January 4, 2018 12:09pm
- GazzaW
  
  ……and meanwhile in Auckland, the world’s most livable city, we’ll be looking forward to another few days of floating turds at our ‘premium’ swimming beaches. Gee thanks Auckland City Council for all those wasted billions on glamour projects and overstaffing when you should have been maintaining the stormwater and other basic systems.
  
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  January 4, 2018 10:15am
- artemisia
  
  oldpark —
  
  Seems since the ratepayers were gouged to pay for the so called living wage, services for the city have taken a hit.
  
  When the council first brought in the so-called ‘living wage’ it was stated that there would be no impact on ratepayers as the cost would be borne within the existing HR budget.
  
  Huh? Where did they think the featherbedded budget came from?
  
  Since then the living wage has been extended to some council contractors. Don’t recall any mention of HR budgets. Funny that.
  
  The city voted. Must be time for a decent conservative platform.
  
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  January 4, 2018 3:04pm
twofish

Where Penny Bright has got herself …
From the comments around 5pm–6pm yesterday, regarding Penny Bright, it seems there is no pending court action, her rates are still being disputed, and she is still refusing to pay.

It is obvious that the loss in her total rates and penalties owed is fairly inconsequential to what the Council would need to spend to fulfil the simplest of her private contracting information requests, which are probably “commercially sensitive” anyway.

After ten years of obfuscation, her legal manoeuvrings seem to have sidelined any need for immediate Council action and the issue can be largely attributed to her “George Wilder” image – apologies to George Wilder. The Council can probably now ignore Penny Bright.

The next likely Auckland Council interest in Penny Bright will be if she expires, or puts her home on the market. Meanwhile Penny seems to have obfuscated herself and her rates issue into total inaction until, as suggested in the preceding sentence, either of those two conditions are occur.

Of course Penny Bright could suddenly pay everything she owes – if she has conscientiously set the funds aside to do so if legally compelled – admit her approach so far as a failure, and declare standing for Auckland Council to fight their incompetence from within.
But that is not going to happen, is it?
Find something else to do Penny instead of wasting your life as the quaint Council anomaly you have obfuscated your stance into being.
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January 4, 2018 8:15am
- brett68
  
  Actually step back and have a think about what she’s trying to achieve.
  
  She may come across like a crazy old cat lady but she does raise a valid point in that Auckland Council is a huge money pit with no accountability.
  
  Billions upon billions of dollars spent on what? or given to who?
  
  Personally, I think local council was another of Nationals big failures, the whole local government level needs a complete redo.
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:37am
  - srylands
    
    Yes I agree but she is not equipped to ask the right questions. And she mashes together the legitimate question of how to fix poor local government, with separate questions of corruption, anti privatisation, and opposition to markets and capitalism.
    
    The result is an intellectual train wreck.
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:59am
  - twofish
    
    No one disputes that Auckland Council is a huge money pit with no accountability.
    
    Extravagant art works should probably not be commissioned before a few sewers work better.
    
    But even regards ‘core spending’, Penny has been fed information about Auckland Council computer services over-runs – IT’s own failures, and then it was supposed to be the key to all super-city savings – however she does not seem interested. 
    
    Rather, Penny not paying rates seems based on a personally held idea that Auckland Council should not privately contract work, but have its own fleet of bulldozers, mega-trucks, tunnelling machines and all the equipment to do its own city development and maintenance, with nothing but a vague memory of the past ‘ministry of works type department’ to compare it to.
    
    In the past, Penny has held that a phrase in the rates legislation entitles her to information about actual rates spending, that is obviously not the intention of the law, but she then ignores the same law and the procedure it lays out if she disputes her rates bill.
    
    And why does she demand contract details? Is she a forensic accountant or a guru in business efficiency? Or is it still driven by her own “public watch-dog” label and a one-off success in criticising water-services – so an ego-fulfilment more likely to just expire than transpire anything?
    
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    January 4, 2018 10:00am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Twofish, you got it with your comment that she wants Auckland Council to own and operate everything it needs to deliver its services e.g. she would prefer AT be like the old ARA with its own fleet of buses & not use private sector contractors etc. But in her Marxist pursuit of trying to find corruption, she misses where the real waste is occurring.
      
      Equally, given the good lady is a campaigner/champion against the corruption and waste of Auckland City, it is curious that she has never served a LGOIMA on Auckland City and its CCOs asking how much Auckland City and its CCOs spend answering her LGOIMA requests. Go on Penny, I dare you to ask….I can almost guarantee you that the cost to the Council, its CCOs and the Ombudsman’s office wasted answering your LGOIMAs will surprise you.
      
      And one more question, given the LGOIMAs you have served on Auckland City and its CCOs, how much corruption have you actually uncovered? and where are the prosecutions?
      
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      January 4, 2018 10:27pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Brett,
    I agree with your last sentence, one of the previous govt’s failures, was its policy on local government, though a portion of blame must go to the bureaucracy in Wellington (which neither of the Key or English govts stood up against).
    
    However, I take issue with your comment that she makes the council and its CCOs accountable. She doesn’t, I can assure you there is waste alenty within the council and CCOs that Penny is not interested in. Her campaign against the council is based on the misguided notion that council and its CCOs should not use private companies to deliver council services, and that somehow the contracts that let services to a private sector company are some way always “corrupt”. Yet despite her LGOIMAs served on the Council and CCOs, she has never proved corruption.
    
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    January 4, 2018 10:41pm
- Colville
  
  I consider Penny to be one of the most astute business women I have ever had the pleasure of not meeting.
  She has the rat cunning to own an asset that has skyrocketed in value thus earning an untaxed fortune and not only has she derived untaxed rental income she has managed to not pay any outgoings on the property.
  While doing all this she is in the media portraying herself as a martyr and victim.
  Amazing skills.
  But absolutely no morals.
  Typical lefty you say?
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:46am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Colville, you forgot her ability to raise money for herself to jet off to numerous world-saving conferences. They couldn’t possibly manage without her.
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:54am
- Harkman
  
  Penny is a Marxist, she is only interested in other people’s money. So much for everyone paying into the collective good.
  
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  January 4, 2018 10:47am
  - sooty
    
    Isn’t nice that Penny comes for a visit every now and then and gets a roasting. We can only hope that she slinks off and will not show her face for an other six months. I mean why would you want to put up with the amount of shit, she does. But after how many years and she still has not learned.
    
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    January 4, 2018 5:11pm
Nukuleka

An indication of just how crime free NZ is or what? A woman goes into my corner dairy, runs out without paying for a couple of packets of ciggies, escapes Laurel and Hardy-like with her male accomplice on a bike (one between the two), is chased down the road by the plucky wife of the Indian dairy owner…

Five police cars and two tracker dogs arrive within minutes. Two of the police cars and the tracker dogs are still there two hours later.

I’m impressed by the concern shown by the police- but overkill?
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January 4, 2018 8:15am
- Happychappy
  
  It is not the Policeman or woman at fault it is those at the top or those who direct the orders from Parliament that are to blame. But it comes back to joe blogs the ordinary police constable that wears the blunt of any discussion on policing.
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:23am
- Colville
  
  When will dairies be like the local booze shop (or mad butcher) where the electric door wont open till the dude pushes the button behind the counter?
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:51am
- kowtow
  
  How is it over kill ?
  
  The case could well have been a robbery , a very serious offence. The more robbers caught and identified and hopefully imprisoned , the less robbers on the streets and the safer society becomes.
  
  I’d rather Mr Plod chasing robbers and thieves than sitting behind a bush on a roadside pinging people for doing a few ks over.
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:40am
  - GazzaW
    
    I was most impressed to see two cops walking the beat together mid-morning in Pukekohe’s main street last month. It added a lot of reassurance. Full marks to the local top cop.
    
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    January 4, 2018 10:29am
  - Colville
    
    Or having plod searching vehicles and ticketing people for having an unopened box of beers in the boot of the car at the beach.
    
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    January 4, 2018 10:29am
- Disaster Area
  
  About two days ago there was outrage on KB about the number of robberies in Dairies.
  Now the police appear to be getting a grip and it’s labelled ‘overkill’.
  
  Some people are never happy.
  
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  January 4, 2018 11:09am
gump

Even Steve Bannon can read the writing on the wall.

In an upcoming book he describes a June 2016 meeting between Trump’s son and the Russians as “treasonous” and “unpatriotic”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/03/donald-trump-russia-steve-bannon-michael-wolff

I look forward to Trump supporters here telling me why this is actually good news and a positive development for the Presidency…
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January 4, 2018 8:23am
- flipper
  
  BOLLOCKS.
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:28am
  - Milhous
    
    I’ll up date you on the Trumpophile play book on this
    
    There was no meeting with Russians during the campaign!!
    
    Fake news.!!
    
    Oh, you mean the meeting at trump tower? Between Russian operatives and the senior campaign leadership? That was only to speak about adoptions.
    
    Oh, you found don jr’s emails about the meeting in which he responded to the possibility of getting Russian got help with dirt on Clinton by saying “I love it!”
    
    Well, nothing actually happened at the meeting, which is why we left it off of all our security clearance disclosures.
    
    Oh, Steve bannon is now calling the meeting treasonous? Well, Steve bannon is a Rino and cuckservative.
    
    So there. Fake news
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:38am
- Simon
  
  It’s fake news Gump.
  
  Thing to know as MAGA rolls out the Dems MSm and leftards will become shiller and shiller
  
  You are being played. Wise up.
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:44am
  - Milhous
    
    why is Breitbart reporting it as fact if its fake???
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:46am
    - VicParking
      
      He as written a book, I say no more
      
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      January 4, 2018 9:28am
      - gump
        
        Bannon hasn’t written a book. He provided interviews to the book’s author (who interviewed a number of highly placed people from within the Trump administration).
        
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        January 4, 2018 9:51am
    - CHFR1
      
      Because Steve Bannon is upset he has been sidelined by the Trump administration so has decided to go after them.
      Bannon is after power and nothing more, he has hitched himself to some people he thought he could get him this power but constantly overplays his hand and ends up in this position time and time again.
      
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      January 4, 2018 9:35am
- G152
  
  Been a year and a half since this ‘collusion’ claim was raised by the democrats and so far nothing.
  Apart from becoming a laughing stock
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:44am
  - Milhous
    
    If there is nothing, why is Bannon calling it treasonous. Why does he say they should have called the FBI right away?
    
    Why isn’t Bannon denying this if its fake?
    
    Why is Bannon’s own newsite running it?
    
    Why is it not being denied by Bannon on his own news site??
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:51am
  - Disaster Area
    
    It’s probably taking so long because Mueller and his team are making sure that when they announce the results of their investigation, whatever that conclusion is, they will not have left any stone unturned.
    
    What we are seeing is two monumental egos playing off against each other in the press: Trump just attacks anything or anyone as a reflex, Bannon is licking his wounds after the Alabama debacle.
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:05am
    - Milhous
      
      Bannon know were the bodies are buried.
      
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      January 4, 2018 9:10am
    - MCos
      
      I’m not exactly sure how these things play out, but I don’t think Mueller will be ‘announcing’ anything.
      Various people will/will not be charged as a result of the investigation & Trump’s hold on power may become untenable.
      Wild horses won’t force him to resign so either he’ll stay there or be impeached by the house & convicted by the senate.
      As things stand that’s not likely, but he has few friends in Congress, only groupies who will fade away when it suits them.
      
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      January 4, 2018 9:47am
      - Disaster Area
        
        My point about making sure that everything is as solid as can be before announcing anything still stands though.
        I reckon that the results of this investigation will probably be the defining event of first half of the 21st century. The media frenzy will be off the charts – either pressing for impeachment or shouting cover up.
        
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        January 4, 2018 11:13am
  - Digmen1
    
    What about Hillary doing deals with the Russians?
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:34am
    - gump
      
      Whataboutism…
      
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      January 4, 2018 9:43am
    - stephieboy
      
      Like getting out of Crimea and supporting Kremlin backed Rebels in Ukraine ?
      
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      January 4, 2018 10:01am
    - Disaster Area
      
      What about the fact that Hillary is not the President and so like it or not, whatever her team did or did not do in the election campaign is of secondary importance.
      
      Would you be saying ‘what about Trump?’ if Hillary had won and was being investigated?
      
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      January 4, 2018 10:19am
- Duxton
  
  Sorry, I got to ‘www.theguardian…’ and stopped reading.
  
  If it’s in The Guradian, it will be an opinion piece – not news.
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:08am
  - gump
    
    That’s okay. I’m sure you can find a “safe space” where your ideas will never be challenged…
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:45am
  - howitis
    
    Yes but these 1930s Cambridge Commies are a good laff!
    
    On every page they are begging for money like so
    … we have a small favour to ask. More people are reading the Guardian than ever but advertising revenues across the media are falling fast. And unlike many news organisations, we haven’t put up a paywall – we want to keep our journalism as open as we can. So you can see why we need to ask for your help. The Guardian’s independent, investigative journalism takes a lot of time, money and hard work to produce. But we do it because we believe our perspective matters – because it might well be your perspective, too….
    
    You see it takes a lot of time money blah blah to do ‘investigative journalism’.
    Truly it does.
    
    Be nice to beggars. These beggars dress well and speak with faux posh accents.
    Know what I’m sayin’, like.
    
    My brother sends me occasional links and less occasionally I wander in for a look and a laff.
    
    I just think that is better comedy than Golriz’s Guy.
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      howitis , like paywall Times ?
      
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      January 4, 2018 10:03am
      - howitis
        
        I cycled through stephiebot country the other day – Stoddard Rd – and it was tidier than last time.
        
        Was this because:-
        a) the stephistans were out at Piha beach perving at nubile young Polynesian and Caucasian females
        b) the stephistans were at St Lukes Mall ogling nubile young girls ie Caucasians and Polynesians not covered head to toe waiting for a sand storm inside the mall,
        c) they were out catching goats for the evening entertainment,
        d) it was munch-a-mat time of the day, or
        e) they were lined up at IRD paying the 7 Feb tax early ?
        
        Just kidding on (e) !
        
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        January 4, 2018 2:46pm
    - niggly
      
      howitis – fark that’s funny! 🙂
      
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      January 4, 2018 11:14am
  - Disaster Area
    
    Here’s a link from the well known left leaning Daily Mail:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5232059/Bannons-harsh-verdict-notorious-Trump-Tower-meeting.html
    
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    January 4, 2018 10:22am
JibberJabber

JP Sears on fire,
SJWs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBdnyrzq96s

Bitcoin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-zIbVEjVpQ

On being a Millenial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00FDR1E0zvE
So much truth in humour.
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January 4, 2018 8:27am
EAD_TWO

Israel said it would pay thousands of African migrants living illegally in the country to leave, threatening them with jail if they are caught after the end of March.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in public remarks at a cabinet meeting on the payment programme, called the migrants’ presence a threat to Israel’s social fabric and Jewish character, and one government minister has referred to them as ‘a cancer’.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5231587/Israel-offers-pay-African-migrants-leave-threatens-jail.html

And that sums up the real reason why we should reverse much of NZs mass migration since the 1970s.

I get sick of the alt-light saying things like “as long as they’ve got a good attitude” or “as long as they’re not Muslims” or “as long as they work hard” then we should have no objection to letting anybody into the country.

I want to live amongst people like myself much as most of the rest of the (non white) world does.

It’s much better being part of a nation bound together by history and shared experience than living as atomised consumers forever fighting for scraps and position from the Governments diversity lolly scramble.

There is nothing wrong this, it’s basic human nature.

Sure a bit of diversity is OK, but not wholesale race replacement.
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January 4, 2018 8:27am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, If I go to Japa, I expect to see Japanese, if I go to China I expect to see Chinese.
  
  If I went to Sweden I would want to take a gun to protect myself and my gf.
  
  As you see, a little diversity is OK, but not wholesale replacement, by people wit no feelings for the country.
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:27am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Digmen1,
    
    If you go to Japan, you will most certainly see Japanese. Wall-to-wall Japanese.
    In the major tourist centers of Tokyo, Tokyo Disneyland, Nara and other such places, you will hear Chinese as the second-most spoken language. The big department stores in Akihabara will have periodic messages in Chinese for those mainland tourists with the big, empty suitcases and wads of cash.
    
    One word of advice. Learn a few basic Japanese phrases. Japanese just love tourists who “make an effort” (but then, doesn’t everyone?)
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:52am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    As you see, a little diversity is OK, but not wholesale replacement, by people with no feelings for the country.
    
    Indeed Digmen1
    
    A nation is not just a dot on a map or a Gate at a random airport.
    
    A nation is the accumulated inheritance of it’s past, with a history, memories, traditions, shared understandings, codes and conventions, unwritten rules, bonds of loyalty, culture, heritage, family, faith & blood.
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      “..but not wholesale replacement, by people with no feelings for the country.”
      
      Not white genocide blah , blah …! ?
      
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      January 4, 2018 10:09am
    - doggone7
      
      “It’s much better being part of a nation bound together by history and shared experience than living as atomised consumers forever fighting for scraps and position from the Governments diversity lolly scramble.
      There is nothing wrong this, it’s basic human nature.
      Sure a bit of diversity is OK, but not wholesale race replacement.”
      
      I look forward to the reaction when someone describing her/himself as ‘Tangata Whenua’ says the same thing on here.
      
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      January 4, 2018 10:39am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “A nation is the accumulated inheritance of it’s past, with a history, memories, traditions, shared understandings, codes and conventions, unwritten rules, bonds of loyalty, culture, heritage, family, faith & blood.”
      
      Did you write that yourself?
      If not, you should reference the source (of this fine piece of writing), as some of us would like to further our studies.
      
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      January 4, 2018 10:40am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Google links it to a tweet from 28th December, although it has been re-tweeted so many times it could have come from just about anywhere.
        https://twitter.com/brianmurphycllr?lang=en
        
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        January 4, 2018 11:38am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , mass migration ??
  
  Now who would ever take an arch conspiracy theorist and anti Jew like you seriously ? Other than 19 or so up-tickers ?
  
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  January 4, 2018 10:07am
  - Brito
    
    As a resident Yid, I upticked EAD’s sentiments.
    
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    January 4, 2018 12:33pm
- Disaster Area
  
  A nation bound together by history and shared experience?
  
  The UK has had ‘mass immigration’ going all the way back to the Picts, Celt and Romans, which created the history and shared experience that you think is important.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_immigration_to_Great_Britain
  
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  January 4, 2018 11:17am
- Dave Mann
  
  God, you write well EAD!
  
  I don’t always agree with your often anti-Jewish stance but this was a great comment and it speaks well for the threats facing many nations and cultures.
  
  EDIT: I see that Odakyu-sen above has raised the question of whether or not you wrote that yourself…. did you?
  
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  January 4, 2018 11:22am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Thanks Dave Mann,
    
    The 8.27am with 29 upticks that you’re replying to is all my own whilst the 9.56am with 15 upticks that Odakyu references, I stumbled across on Twitter this morning and thought it fitted this discussion perfectly.
    
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    January 4, 2018 7:11pm
- howitis
  
  The wholesale replacement- or more correctly, internal displacement – is seriously out of whack.
  The host countries -Sweden, NZ, AU, UK etc had got their shit together after the severe social impact of the Great Depression and created social welfare.
  As of the early 1970s this was in balance.
  As at today, not at all.
  
  These other countries i.e. pretty much all of Africa and the Middle East despite the latter having for the most part great oil wealth have not got their sh*t together.
  Nigeria and Angola also have oil wealth but the ‘greater good’ is not something that happens in such places.
  The Middle East in particular spend a lot of time hating on each other, even within their own countries.
  Guest workers to their countries are typically treated like total crap.
  Yet in countries to which they go they expect handouts and will country-shop to get better deals.
  
  Is it our concern (NZ less than 200 years as a constructed nation) to take these no-hopers on board.
  I suggest not.
  
  Greater numbers of people in Australia are waking up to the fact that in pockets of Sydney West and Melbourne the immigrants from sh*tholes south of the Island of Crete are endeavouring to reconstruct the very same crime, inequity, and low standard of living they left. Why move?
  
  Should Sweden be subjected to these no-hopers from countries that never, ever invented or discovered anything.
  Whilst the Middle East had a proud history in maths, science and philosophy this was thousands of years ago.
  
  Africa had a light shining for a few hundred years when some North Europeans went to the largely unoccupied Southern tip of Africa.
  The Marxists had a serious campaign in the 1970s and 1980s and swept along a lot of naive puppets to protest the Caucasian improvement in this part of the world. Bad Bokkie!
  Now the southern tip of Africa is as bad as the rest – just don’t ask the opinion of Jacob Zuma or Grace Mugabe.
  
  Is this history repeating?
  Is the Marxist desire to break down established structures just another wave after the success of breaking down South Africa.?
  Was South Africa a test run to proof methods?
  There are plenty of snowflakes today that are brain-washed enough to want the destruction of their own countries without the ability to see where it leads.
  I’m not one of them.
  
  (written by moi)
  
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  January 4, 2018 4:04pm
flipper

Does anyone else remember?

NZ all out for 26 v Windies?
or
Ken “Slasher” McKay using his body to save Australia ?

Sadly, no more!
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January 4, 2018 8:33am
- Milhous
  
  NZ were all out v England for 26 in the 1950’s.Not the West Indies
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:41am
  - flipper
    
    Correct.
    Thank you.
    Now can we start on yours ??? A new thread perhaps ???
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:27am
- RalphT
  
  Actually it was NZ 26 all out versus England, Eden Park, 1955
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:43am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Yes, and more significantly, the following summer New Zealand recorded its first win in test cricket; against the West Indies.
    
    http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/17419/scorecard/62810/New-Zealand-vs-West-Indies-4th-Test-west-indies-tour-of-new-zealand-1955-56/
    
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    January 4, 2018 10:45am
- Dave_1924
  
  When did the Windies roll NZ for 26? England bowled NZ out for 26 in a test innings…
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:44am
  - Happychappy
    
    I miģht be wrong but hasn’t South Africa had us all out for 29 in the last decade.
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:52am
    - RalphT
      
      No, we managed to stagger into the 40s. I think we are the only team to have scored under 30.
      
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      January 4, 2018 9:07am
      - Biscuit
        
        Okay, Cricket tragics, the 20 lowest Test Innings scores of all time:
        
        New Zealand 26 v England, Auckland 1955
        South Africa 30 v England, Port Elizabeth 1896
        South Africa 30 v England, Birmingham 1924
        South Africa 35 v England, Cape Town 1899
        South Africa 36 v Australia, Melbourne 1932
        Australia 36 v England, Birmingham 1902
        New Zealand 42 v Australia, Wellington 1946
        Australia 42 v England, Sydney 1888
        India 42 v England, Lord’s 1974
        South Africa 43 v England, Cape Town 1889
        Australia 44 v England, The Oval 1896
        South Africa 45 v Australia, Melbourne 1932
        England 45 v Australia, Sydney 1887
        New Zealand 45 v South Africa, Cape Town 2013
        England 46 v West Indies, Port of Spain, 1994
        New Zealand 47 v England, Lord’s, 1958
        South Africa 47 v England, Cape Town, 1899
        West Indies 47 v England, Kingston, 2004
        Australia 47 v South Africa, Cape Town 2011
        Pakistan 49 v South Africa, Jo’burg 2013
        
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        January 4, 2018 9:43am
      - Brigitte
        
        Biscuit, sadly the 2011 Aussies let us down after they beat their own record for lowest 9th wicket falling (at 21 being below their own 25 and our 26) but then decided to bat a bit and scrambled to 47.
        
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        January 4, 2018 10:01am
- Longknives
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Test_cricket_records#Team_scoring_records
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:33am
  - Biscuit
    
    Oops, Longknives, missed seeing your post!
    
    Humble apologies!
    
    Have a make-up present of this almond. I have (helpfully) sucked the chocolate off it for you!
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:45am
    - GazzaW
      
      You could fill in for Jacinda with your nut sucking talents Biscuit.
      
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      January 4, 2018 11:15am
      - Biscuit
        
        Yikes!, GazzaW…
        
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        January 4, 2018 11:49am
      - VicParking
        
        Don’t suck those nuts, crush them for almond milk.
        
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        January 4, 2018 11:58am
    - Longknives
      
      That’s alright Biscuit. No one ever listens to me anyway. I might as well be a Leonard Cohen record…
      
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      January 4, 2018 12:34pm
Viking2

Sun’s out in Mangaweka.
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January 4, 2018 8:40am
- Colville
  
  V2.
  You farm there?
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:52am
- niggly
  
  V2 how’s the holiday going after the big deluge yesterday? Are you rafting around those parts or taking in the scenery (whilst based at a lovely lodge with plenty of drinks at hand)? 🙂
  
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  January 4, 2018 11:18am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Property values just trebled then 😀
  
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  January 4, 2018 12:49pm
Rodney Randall

“Now the new year is for reals settling in, the feeling for me is mad gratefulness. For all the ppl who stuck together thru a tough one last year. Chose(sic) change. Choose change every day by volunteering…lets please not leave this vital work to charity for another year though” Golriz Ghahraman 12:21am Jan 4th Twitter.

This sounds like the drunk ramblings of a teenager from the hood.

Is she channeling her idol: Burqa Gangsta Sis Sarsour, aka Cockroach?
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January 4, 2018 8:46am
- Longknives
  
  “Now the new year is for reals settling in”
  
  Jesus she has a Law Degree from Oxford?? I’d be ashamed if my teenage relatives spoke like wannabe American ‘Gangsta Rappers’..
  This person is not who she claims to be. Mark my Words.
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:01am
  - Surely Knott
    
    She did her degree in Auckland. And then an Oxford Masters. Here is the description of the Human Rights Oxford masters – it’s a part time 2 year distance internet course with 2 summer sessions at Oxford. So primarily an internet course. Certainly a nice and affordable way to add the Oxford brand to your cv. http://ihrlmst.conted.ox.ac.uk/
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:26am
    - MCos
      
      Whatever her education it’s a lot more impressive than my NZCE, so I for one won’t be attacking her from that angle.
      
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      January 4, 2018 9:58am
  - doggone7
    
    If your teenage relatives spoke and talked crap like wannabe American ‘Gangsta Rappers’ they could aspire to be President of the USA. They seem to be requirements for the job and similar styles are much lauded characteristics of the incumbent.
    
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    January 4, 2018 10:44am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I wonder how she gets on with James Shaw’s wife…
    
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    January 4, 2018 10:49am
    - waikatogirl
      
      James Shaw’s wife has 2 mothers-in-law. She has my sympathies! ?
      
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      January 4, 2018 11:02am
    - Longknives
      
      James Shaw has a wife???
      But I heard….
      
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      January 4, 2018 12:35pm
  - howitis
    
    I thought it was extremely clear.
    Ghahraman is a highly distilled Marxist.
    
    I would be curious now about her parents activities in Iran including before the 1979 revolution.
    The curtain might have been coming down when they escaped.
    GG has been garrulous on some matters but on this, very quiet.
    
    Proof of her Marxism:
    Banner on twitter
    “One of the greatest threats to human and nature’s rights is the subjugation of democracy to corporate interests”
    Signed Golriz Ghahraman
    Screen shot taken lest it is removed in near future.
    ttps://twitter.com/golrizghahraman?lang=en
    
    Marama Davidson must be thinking about now.
    ‘Golly Gee I thought I was the hard left mar\ …ah
    greenie around here and this interloper fresh off the banana boat is stealing my thunder.
    I went on that Gaza stunt and put up with washing in saltwater, a salt water dunny, all those smelly German greenies and this beeaach claims to be a refugee and is lauded by the media while DEFENDING genocidal maniacs’
    What is a gurl to do?
    
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    January 4, 2018 3:28pm
- KH
  
  Gee Rodney. Could you get us an English translation. Not sure to uptick or downtick.
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:03am
- Huevon
  
  Yes, it seems hard to believe this chick is 36 years old, is a lawyer and has a post graduate degree from Oxford University. Like our Prime Minister, she is a teenage girl trapped in a woman’s body.
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:08am
  - KH
    
    Was Golriz ever a genuine refugee ?? Thats a story worth examining. Maybe then she could go back to Iran. Sort out the politics there.
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:16am
    - Harkman
      
      It’s time to change the electoral system. Sue Benefit-Fraud, then Willow Jean Prime the ultimate piece of trash and now the little Iranian liar (who’s partner was Moron of the year 2017). Time for a change.
      
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      January 4, 2018 10:56am
- Rich Prick
  
  Is she, like, 12 or sumthin?
  
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  January 4, 2018 1:47pm
KH

From the “”Times of Israel. “Hundreds march against Netanyahu corruption.”
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January 4, 2018 8:46am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Quick – arm these “freedom fighters” against a “corrupt regime”.
  
  We may need to go and drop bombs on “this despot” who “kills his own people”, harbours “weapons of mass destruction” and “helps our enemies”:
  
  https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.778021
  
  So would say the MSM if, instead of Israel, it was Syria, Iraq, Libya, Iran etc (but not the Saudis or Turks though….they’re the good guys apparently❗)
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:03am
  - Harkman
    
    I think that you are in the wrong place. I will kindly redirect you to your native habitat.
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz
    
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    January 4, 2018 11:02am
    - KH
      
      Gee Harkman. Do you really not want to hear other than that Israeli politics is clean. Word in your ear – it ain’t.
      
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      January 4, 2018 2:00pm
      - Harkman
        
        I really don’t care, but these lefty trolls that come on here each day posting the same activist crap are becoming a real bore. As for politics in Israel, I bet it is the same as every other western democracy, but I would say, at least they are a democracy.
        
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        January 4, 2018 5:48pm
- GazzaW
  
  ……at least they can march in protest in Israel without being shot. Unlike Israel’s neighbouring states.
  
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  January 4, 2018 11:21am
  - KH
    
    Can they march without being shot ? No. Israelis shoot marchers all the time.
    
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    January 4, 2018 1:35pm
  - GoVege
    
    Do you ever see female Palestinian protesters?
    They get killed just for looking at a fella so somehow I doubt it….
    
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    January 4, 2018 7:09pm
Simon

North Korean Leader Kim Jong Un just stated that the “Nuclear Button is on his desk at all times.” Will someone from his depleted and food starved regime please inform him that I too have a Nuclear Button, but it is a much bigger & more powerful one than his, and my Button works!

The best prez ever. Best western leader ever at least since Reagan who dealt to genocidal socialists.

Since 1990 it’s been Farage and Trump as the great leaders. Almost all others utter rubbish.
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January 4, 2018 9:10am
- Milhous
  
  Reagan was a Presidential Great…..Trump is no Reagan.
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:21am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Reagan listened to advice from his good friend Margaret Thatcher.
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:25am
    - Milhous
      
      Reagan wanted a greater reduction in nukes. He used diplomacy. He never engaged in the peurile name calling that the man child Trump does.
      
      Correct re Maggie T. She convinced him to stay tough and maintain a modern and huge nuclear deterrent , when he was wavering.
      
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      January 4, 2018 9:29am
      - Dave_1924
        
        Evil Empire…. yip Ronny never used anything mildly name cally….
        
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        January 4, 2018 10:13am
  - Digmen1
    
    No, but he is standing up for America.
    With NK putting pressure on KJU – and calling out China breaking the sanctions.
    Recognising Jerusalem.
    Pulling out of Paris on weather agreement
    Cutting back on payments to the UN
    Cutting back on payments to Pakistan
    And now cutting back on payments to the Palestinians (which over the years have allowed them to breed like locusts in the middle of deseret hellhole)
    Make America great again.
    
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    January 4, 2018 9:32am
- VicParking
  
  Red radio yesterday played on the Trump red button tweet but made no attempt to put it into context by mentioning that Kim was the first to mention that he had one on his desk. A better comment would have been to say “If you push your button it will be the last think you ever do”.
  Red Radio is becoming a socalist mouthpiece and propaganda voice for the COL.
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    Vic Parking , there is not so things as a red button . Instead there is a complex chain of command on both sides .
    
    Fortunately for both sides and the world .
    
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    January 4, 2018 10:13am
    - holysheet
      
      How do you know what the korean nutter has got?
      Link please. If you are going to be so sure of this there must be information somewhere or did you get it out of your arse as usual.
      
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      January 4, 2018 12:01pm
    - VicParking
      
      Stephy even my dog knows that its a term used to explain the setting in motion of the process.
      A hear one of your wifes bleating, she may be horny or need a milking.
      
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      January 4, 2018 12:04pm
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        Im sorry, I shouldnt have, but that made me LOL, thanks VP 😀
        
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        January 4, 2018 12:51pm
  - oldgolfer
    
    Becoming a socialist mouthpiece?
    
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    January 4, 2018 2:24pm
sooty

Imagine how Andrew Little felt when Whinney anouced that Taxinda was now PM!
Shived by the same knife, that did in Me Tu!
I think that is poetic justice!
Mr No Where man
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January 4, 2018 9:12am
- Digmen1
  
  Just wait till he brings in his Labour and Union laws.
  Then you will see him!
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:28am
  - marcw
    
    What about his “guilty until you prove you’re innocent” rape law? Shows the calibre of his ‘legal’ training.
    
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    January 4, 2018 1:01pm
Simon

From 1917 to 1990 genocidal socialism had widespread support from the Western left. This fact isn’t surprising.
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January 4, 2018 9:14am
- MCos
  
  You certainly have a very self serving view of world history if this and your previous comment about Farage are anything to go by.
  
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  January 4, 2018 10:35am
Nostalgia-NZ

The rain is steady and heavy in Coromandel right now – after only passing, but heavy showers for the last week.
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January 4, 2018 9:21am
Nostalgia-NZ

Interested to see that American economy has lit up, but despite Trump and Jacinda coming to power on pledges about immigration that both countries are facing labour shortages.
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January 4, 2018 9:22am
- Digmen1
  
  We have too many labour mps here.
  
  And too many people that don’t want to work, or can’t work because they are drugged out, obese or looking after 6 children from different fathers as their main career.
  
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  January 4, 2018 11:27am
Nukuleka

The number of upticks for imbecility and downticks for common sense this morning indicate just how much this blog has been hijacked by the Standardista.
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January 4, 2018 9:24am
- VicParking
  
  There is a major propaganda exercise being undertaken by the left. The moment any report on Red Radio goes to air that might put them in a bad light the station is flooded with emails and text’s.
  Local newspapers, run by the failing newspaper brand, are the same especially if the council is Labour dominated. If a letter is written that is critical of the council it is held back for a week then suddenly the paper is flooded with replies, usally the next day, giving the lefts pint of view.
  TVNZ is no better, the socialist reporters have taken control and as can be seen by the “Sewerage” and “Slip” stories in Auckland only the Council view is pushed and all others are treated as lightweight.
  After three years of practice the runup to the next election should be a dozzy.
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:51am
- KH
  
  Yes Nukuleka. No wrong ticks to be allowed on KB forwith ! Who wants to read anything you don’t already know to be true !
  
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  January 4, 2018 10:00am
  - VicParking
    
    Agreed KH but I downticked you just to be a rebel (without a cause)
    
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    January 4, 2018 12:06pm
- Longknives
  
  “The number of upticks for imbecility and downticks for Common sense this morning”
  
  To be fair Nukuleka your dig at Police for “overkill” when turning up in numbers to a Dairy Robbery was pretty silly.
  You’d have to be living under a rock not to realise how much of a concern violent Dairy Robberies are right now..Good on the Police for turning up ‘en masse’!
  
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  January 4, 2018 12:40pm
kowtow

Thanks Angela , for nothing.

“In the federal state of Lower Saxony, the authors draw a link between increased violence and the influx of refugees: between 2014 and 2016, the number of police-recorded acts of violence in Lower Saxony rose by 10.4 percent – 92.1 percent of this increase can be attributed to refugees. This is not surprising, according to the study, in that a noticeable proportion of refugees are young men in the age range in which people are increasingly delinquent.”

https://www.thelocal.de/20180103/prevention-improvement-is-solution-to-refugee-crime-study-finds
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January 4, 2018 9:52am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Young, single males–without full-time employment or a mortgage to anchor them–are the most dangerous members of any society.
  
  Increase the proportion of them in your population at your peril (either through immigration or by warping the natural gender ratio, as in China).
  
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  January 4, 2018 9:57am
Chuck Bird

When will the Dow break 25,000?
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January 4, 2018 10:21am
- MCos
  
  Twenty past three
  
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  January 4, 2018 10:43am
- GazzaW
  
  Tomorrow morning NZ time CB.
  
  It’s a very long way from the 25% drop from 18000 as predicted by the doom merchants when Trunp took over.
  
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  January 4, 2018 11:38am
Inandout

Radio Live has a host who is stuck in the 90s with his attitude to child abusers. This woman who has been in charge of 5 abused children is salvageable, honest, she just needs a little time with a whanau group. A caller suggested the host let his 3 children be in the care of the abusive ‘caregiver’ to prove her redemption. Host quickly changed the subject; what a wanker and he is typical of airy fairy do-gooders.
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January 4, 2018 11:20am
- Harkman
  
  About this time 2-3 years ago Wallace Chapman was filling in on Radiolive and he had on Mike Williams as a guest, who was moaning that the National government needs to waste more money on education and he said something like “in 1878??? the government made primary education free and the economy surged to no 2 in the world.” He then said something like, “in 1936 the Labour government did such & such and the economy surged.” This was utter nonsense, so I called up Wallace and said that our standard of living was ALREADY no.2 before the free education, in fact in the late 1860s/early 1870s it was likely No. 1 (on Nominal GDP per capita) but by the end of the C19th we were down to no. 3 so it didn’t surge the economy and by 1950 we were 6th so he was clearly wrong especially regarding Labour’s education policy. So I hang up, then 10 minutes later Chapman is “the government needs to spend more on education.” He completely ignored simple economic facts, what an arsehole.
  
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  January 4, 2018 12:30pm
  - sooty
    
    That arsehole is an idiot!
    
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    January 4, 2018 12:59pm
    - Paulus
      
      That is why he got the job – needs an arsehole in that left wing role.
      
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      January 4, 2018 1:37pm
- GoVege
  
  That’s nothing, Inandout.
  I once talked to a social worker whose client had 8 kids, 2 had died, one had been pimped out and the rest taken on burglaries.
  She reckoned all this solo mum needed was “to learn how to be a better mum”.
  
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  January 4, 2018 6:35pm
Digmen1

More Global warming (oops Climate change) oops weather

Snow in Florida!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11969190

Climate change – the science is settled (yeah right)
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January 4, 2018 11:39am
- holysheet
  
  Whoda thought that would happen?
  
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  January 4, 2018 12:04pm
- Disaster Area
  
  So one of the defining features of Climate Change is that it will produce unusual or extreme weather patterns.
  
  Snow in Florida is very unusual: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/100320387/first-snow-in-decades-puts-florida-south-in-deep-freeze
  
  The North of the US is in record breaking low temperatures: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/27/us/cold-weather-winter.html
  
  But yes, why would that make anyone think that climate change isn’t happening?
  
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  January 4, 2018 12:10pm
  - Peter
    
    The AGW propoganda isn’t even coherent. It’s like they’ve just given up trying.
    
    “produce unusual or extreme weather patterns”
    
    Compared to what period?
    What is the reason for selection of this period as a basis for comparison?
    If weather is stable compared to this period, in certain regions, what would we conclude from this? What is the appropriate sample?
    Climate always changes. What does it mean if it suddenly stops doing so?
    
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    January 4, 2018 12:20pm
    - Brigitte
      
      As I said on 1 January:
      
      “By the way, the United States is NOT the world. Temperatures at present are half a degree warmer than quarter of a century ago – that’s talking about GLOBAL temperatures (see here: http://cci-reanalyzer.org/wx/DailySummary/#t2anom).
      
      The wavy polar vortex means that at present cold air is coming down from the Arctic and making Canada and North East US very cold. The rest of the world is rather warm.
      
      The same wavy polar vortex can also have warm air go north from the equator making for unseasonably warm weather, as happened in the same US states only a couple of Xmas’ ago (see here: http://mashable.com/2015/12/24/record-warm-christmas-temp-tracker/#cyGGv89jhuqC).”
      
      I am starting to wonder how much alcohol some of the climate SCIENCE deniers have consumed as it appears that quite a few brain cells have been killed. And for those middle aged white males I’m not convinced how many they had to start with.
      
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      January 4, 2018 12:32pm
      - Peter
        
        I don’t “deny” anything. “Denial” is not a scientific term, it is a political term – and a dead giveaway.
        
        Does climate change? Of course. Climate always changes.
        
        It’s the wrong question.
        
        An appropriate question is:
        
        “How much influence does man’s activity have on climate?”
        
        Answer.
        
        Tricky. Really tricky. Be wary of those who think they have answered it.
        
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        January 4, 2018 12:41pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        http://theconversation.com/lets-call-it-30-years-of-above-average-temperatures-means-the-climate-has-changed-36175
        
        So exactly which bits of the science do you disagree with?
        
        You might say be wary of the people who say they have the answers, but I would say be more wary of those who deny those answers. Who has the most to gain – the researchers who get grants in the tens of thousands of dollars or the fossil fuel companies that stand to lose billions?
        
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        January 4, 2018 12:53pm
      - Brigitte
        
        Yes you are denying. The science is quite clear and there is substantial evidence showing that climate change is caused by mankind. You are denying this science and using wishy washy expressions such as “but climate always changes”. Being pedantic, maybe it does, but the reality is that it’s at a completely different level to the underlying natural changes of the past.
        
        My biggest problem with the deniers is when the evidence becomes (even more) undeniable. Then the public backlash will install the Greens into parliament for decades to come. Be very careful what you wish for, that’s all I’ll say.
        
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        January 4, 2018 12:56pm
      - Peter
        
        Brigitte,
        
        Yes you are denying.
        
        You appear to have comprehension issues.
        
        Now you’ve changed your “argument” to “there is substantial evidence that climate change is caused by mankind”
        
        Like the ice age and subsequent warming, perhaps?
        
        Does man contribute to climate change? Almost certainly. How much? We don’t know. Anyone claiming to do so is guessing.
        
        My biggest problem with the deniers is when the evidence becomes (even more) undeniable. Then the public backlash will install the Greens into parliament for decades to come. Be very careful what you wish for, that’s all I’ll say.
        
        I don’t think you have a problem with it at all. Your agenda is quite obvious and when challenged, turns to abuse.
        
        As for The Greens being installed in Parliament for decades to come, I’m sure they will last a few years longer – as the same virtue signalling, ineffective minor party, appealing to the naive, putting the environment “(NZ)First”.
        
        How is the Kermadec Sanctuary vote coming along? .
        
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        January 4, 2018 1:41pm
      - Peter
        
        So exactly which bits of the science do you disagree with?
        
        An interesting part of the science is that the climate has been significantly hotter in the past. During the PETM, average sea surface temperatures reached 10 °C at the poles, compared to -2 °C today.
        
        It’s also been significantly cooler, of course.
        
        What effect does man have?
        
        We don’t know. That is the truth. I would be wary of anyone claiming that the question is “settled”. Again, a political term.
        
        It is right to ask questions. Asking questions does not make one a “denier”, although I do wonder about the mentality of people who use such a term in a scientific debate.
        
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        January 4, 2018 1:55pm
    - Disaster Area
      
      @Peter,
      No-one is denying that the climate has been both hotter and colder in its history, however the issue is the rate of change.
      How do we know humans are causing climate change?
      
      I hope that people would accept the Royal Society as a reputable source of information, so have a read here: https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/
      
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      January 4, 2018 6:07pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Because the phrase Climate Change was invented by some loony academics when they realised their Global Warming message had failed.
    
    Why not just call it weather or extreme weather.
    
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    January 4, 2018 12:23pm
    - Peter
      
      Yes. “Extreme” typically means “compared to this time last year”.
      
      Which tells us nothing at all, especially when other areas experienced the same weather as last year, or showed reduced extreme activity.
      
      Selective sampling.
      
      The real question for me is why aren’t they even TRYING anymore? A school kid could drive a bus through the holes in it.
      
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      January 4, 2018 12:30pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        Feel free to do so.
        Whilst I try not to rely on the argument from authority, if the VAST majority of scientists say that its happening and a few people on Kiwiblog say that it isn’t, I’m going with the professionals.
        
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        January 4, 2018 12:55pm
  - KevOB
    
    The UN IPCC has plainly stated that we will not be troubled by wild weather events arising out of predicted warming.
    
    They have also stated that they cannot measure or predict climate change!
    
    Enjoy what warmth you have.
    
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    January 4, 2018 3:36pm
- Brito
  
  Yawn.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EP_uA3YaKdI
  
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  January 4, 2018 2:11pm
Digmen1

And can any of the “Climate Change” advocates tell me that why after 150 years of man pouring CO2 in to the air with factories and power stations and cars had anything not really happened?

They keep predicting rising seas. (and point to one or two islands that have suffered from EROSION.
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January 4, 2018 12:25pm
- Disaster Area
  
  https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
  
  https://skepticalscience.com/sea-level-rise-intermediate.htm
  
  https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html
  
  https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/global-warming/sea-level-rise/
  
  Edited to say: You asked for proof. I have provided different sources, with data to back up my assertion. If you think that there are errors in the data or the interpretation, it’s up to you to explain them and their cause.
  
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  January 4, 2018 12:58pm
Manolo

The barbarians hit the jackpot:
https://news.usni.org/2018/01/03/houthi-rebels-find-likely-u-s-navy-unmanned-underwater-vehicle

Houthi forces have captured a U.S. Navy research unmanned underwater vehicle off the coast of Yemen, according to a video released on Monday.
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January 4, 2018 12:28pm
- ztev
  
  research ?
  “…most common Navy uses for a REMUS 600 are mine countermeasures and intelligence, surveillance, reconnaissance and target acquisition (ISRTA),”
  https://news.usni.org/2018/01/03/houthi-rebels-find-likely-u-s-navy-unmanned-underwater-vehicle
  
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  January 4, 2018 2:53pm
  - niggly
    
    Good grief Ztev – also from the same article (next line in fact):
    
    “Typical uses include studying underwater environmental conditions, meteorological research, and underwater mapping of terrain and currents.”
    
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    January 4, 2018 4:24pm
    - sooty
      
      Ztev. Bit late starting your shift, stephies have been here for ages. Not achieved much, but here.
      
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      January 4, 2018 5:15pm
Digmen1

I wanted to buy a drone yesterday at PB Tech, but it was a bit expensive for me at the time.
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January 4, 2018 1:02pm
- Inandout
  
  Yep but maybe just as well as they get shot down, and what a waste of money.
  
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  January 4, 2018 1:09pm
- Brigitte
  
  Perhaps you could rent it out whereupon it’d pay for itself in no time: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/20/mexican-drug-cartels-using-drones-to-smuggle-heroi/
  
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  January 4, 2018 1:10pm
sooty

If Taxinda is youth adjacent.
She’s also granny adjacent.
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January 4, 2018 1:03pm
- Digmen1
  
  As long as she never gets adjacent to me.
  
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  January 4, 2018 1:37pm
Notsofast

What do you all think of this? Radio New Zealand is engaging in the hoax of the millenium with their false pronunciation, I suggest they get bombarded.

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-MauNewZ-t1-body-d1.html

“In applying these rules to the dipthongs, it will be perhaps most prudent to divide them, under the present imperfect state of our knowledge, into two classes. 1. The certain, or those of the dipthongal character of which there can be but little question.”

The dipthongs which we consider certain, are as follows:

aa, ae, ai, ao, au, ee, ei, ii, oo, ou, uu

AU
May be pronounced like ou in drought, trout, pound, &c.

So dear reader, how do we pronounce Taupo or Kauri?

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Note this appears to be

Title:Grammar of the New Zealand Language

Author:R. Maunsell

Publication details:W. C. Wilson, 1862,Auckland

Part of:New Zealand Texts Collection
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January 4, 2018 3:02pm
- KevOB
  
  They are not all dipthongs either. Two same vowels together may require a break between them. “AU” may be “a’u” or “ahoo” or “ow”. The user is expected to know–macrons are deprecated and glottal stops are not always written. Maori have the stop in Whakerewarewa. Elsewhere whaka is fa’a or faa. The double “aa ” may also be a long “a”. Context is the guide.
  
  Fun to hear RedTV pidginising the language and the mispronunciation. “Ho” should be reserved for Father Xmas.
  
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  January 4, 2018 3:32pm
  - Notsofast
    
    Yes you can get to ka-u-ri, compound, pronounce all vowels and syllables in Maori .
    
    Note this dictionary says
    “U
    This sound is also uniform in kind, and always corresponds to oo in book, ”
    
    With English pronunnciation of book this makes sense.
    And there is no english word where au is pronounced as in oh.
    Mega fraud at work. Why??
    
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    January 4, 2018 4:33pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      I thought the Te Reo pronunciation of the English word “kauri” was “koady”.
      It’s confusing…
      
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      January 4, 2018 5:52pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 22: Louise’s husband Charlie
No. 23: Father O’Hagan (“Father Gropious, more like”)

My friend Louise’s husband is a groper, which used to embarrass her and me a great deal, but over the years we’ve learned to accommodate Charlie’s proclivity as an irritation rather than a crime. With Charlie, groping comes as naturally as being left-handed or not liking sprouts. The gropers’ code is a variation of that old Services adage, “If it moves, shoot it, if it doesn’t, polish it.” With Charlie it goes, “If it’s female, grope it”, a maxim that applies as much to slags, slappers and pensioners as nubile nymphs. When Charlie and I meet and I proffer my cheek for the obligatory peck, he always contrives to turn it into a full-on, sloppy, wet-lipped tongue twister, one hand clamped on my backside, the other at the front making sharp inquisitive forays through layers of scarf, mackintosh, jersey and blouse like an excited terrier down a rat hole. For God’s sake, Charlie, grow up, I say, pushing him away, and not at all abashed he goes back to reading Country Life.

Years ago hitchhiking round Ireland with a student friend, Sally and I were picked up on the road to Tralee by a white-haired priest in a cassock driving an ancient Ford. I sat in the back leaving Sally, who was good at that sort of thing, to chat to Father O’Hagan. Father Gropious, more like. Without taking his eyes from the road his left hand moved seamlessly from the old-fashioned gear stick to Sally’s lap where, after a brief professional rummage, it moved crabwise on to me in the back seat. How he achieved all this without crashing the car or pausing in his lyrical panegyric about the glorious landscape of Kerry was nothing short of a miracle. ….

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/the-difference-between-a-grope-and-a-caress-89776.html

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom; 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; 12 Prince Harry; 13 Bill Clinton; 14 Judge Roy Moore; 15 Matt Lauer; 16 Richard Branson; 17 Warren Moon; 18 Donald John Trump; 19 Damian Green; 20 Gene Simmons; 21 Sylvester Stallone
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January 4, 2018 3:05pm
- nasska
  
  Morrissey is sitting in front of the computer with his underpants around his ankles again. 🙂
  
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  January 4, 2018 3:20pm
  - Morrissey
    
    I’ll bet “Charlie” is, huh?
    
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    January 4, 2018 3:50pm
Manolo

Will they take up the offer or risk it?
http://news.trust.org/item/20180103115805-egc1s

Israel said on Wednesday it would pay thousands of African migrants living illegally in the country to leave, threatening them with jail if they are caught after the end of March.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in public remarks at a cabinet meeting on the payment programme, said a barrier Israel completed in 2013 along its border with Egypt had effectively cut off a stream of “illegal infiltrators” from Africa after some 60,000 crossed the desert frontier.
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January 4, 2018 3:17pm
- Digmen1
  
  Good plan!
  Europe should do the same. (but they don’t have any balls)
  They are like locusts.
  I have seen lots of videos with hundreds and hundreds of youn men trying in to get on to trains and trucks and cross into Italy, and Greece and from Denmark into Sweden.
  And they have the cheek to jeer and laugh at the police.
  
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  January 4, 2018 5:12pm
- Digmen1
  
  They’ll probably wait and hope that some stupid human right lawyer will try to get them residency.
  But Israel wont listen.
  Nor does Myanmar.
  Long Live Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Myanmar and now Israel and maybe Austria, and Japan.
  
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  January 4, 2018 5:16pm
kevn

Change time…
The Indian family eating 35 day old curried pork that was left out on the stove, surrounded by other rotten food. They ate it after being away. Why would you? It looked fine they said…
Why should ACC be considered? No accident as in untoward incident.
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January 4, 2018 3:46pm
- waikatogirl
  
  It’s a wonder what used to once be pork curry hadn’t oozed out the door… The smell alone must have given them a clue! ?
  
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  January 4, 2018 4:25pm
  - sooty
    
    Darwin just about got them! Haaaaa Haaaaa!
    
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    January 4, 2018 4:55pm
- Digmen1
  
  Why do they need or want ACC, they have have free treatment in our hospitals.
  
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  January 4, 2018 5:08pm
  - kevn
    
    Dig… They want ACC compo for on-going medical expenses and physio apparently. Six family members. Can’t be any wage/salary earners or they would be wanting earnings related compo from ACC as well. Must be on benefits.
    
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    January 4, 2018 5:21pm
    - Inandout
      
      ACC was not introduced for eating the wrong foods.
      
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      January 4, 2018 5:26pm
- GoVege
  
  Yes Kevn, meat putrefies much faster than plants.
  Not only do vegetarians (and vegequarians) live longer than meat-eaters due to overall better health, you hardly ever hear of one becoming seriously ill or dying as a direct result of a meal. 🙂
  
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  January 4, 2018 6:29pm
  - nasska
    
    I’ve seen a few vegetarians who look dead & even more who obviously wish they were.
    
    Miserable pack of bastards the lot of them. 🙂
    
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    January 4, 2018 6:34pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Vegetarians, in my experience, suffer from a deficiency of Vitamin H (essential for good humor).
      
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      January 4, 2018 8:11pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Nasska, some can be come very liverish.
    Some ‘veges’ are very toxic. ! and dangerous to one’s health.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10328708
    
    Serious Mistakes made by a family.
    
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    January 4, 2018 6:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Shitty spinach, salad greens.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3204027/What-s-lurking-salad-Experts-warn-prewashed-spinach-contains-90-bacteria-cause-food-poisoning.html
    Left-over cooked rice (old sushi)
    
    Contaminated sprouts, watercress.
    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/food/the-foods-most-likely-to-give-you-food-poisoning/news-story/ff49cfe23a57d05b839ea6cc97800844
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:28pm
    - nasska
      
      That’s what I reckon Maggy. Better to recycle the veges through a pig to be on the safe side. 🙂
      
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      January 4, 2018 8:36pm
  - howitis
    
    Steve Jobs dead at 56 – vegetarian.
    
    Actor Michael Clark Duncan turned vegetarian in 2009 and died 3 years later at 54
    
    Prince the singer was vege and got to the grand old age of 57
    
    Adolf Hitler was vege – dead at 56 but he consumed some hot lead at the end.
    VegeT – no wonder he was a miserable bastard.
    
    Ozzy Osborne claims to be vegetarian but I’m not sure the bats would agree!
    
    then there are 37 year olds who prepare almond milk and their brains have clearly not evolved past 15 yo. Do the time warp!
    
    Me I’ll stick with salmon, lamb and pork.
    
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    January 4, 2018 10:09pm
Manolo

Good luck to the Pakis:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/03/pakistan-china-ties-strengthen-after-president-donald-trumps-rant.html

A day after the U.S. leader slammed Islamabad for harboring terrorists in a New Year’s Day tweet, Pakistan’s central bank announced that it will be replacing the dollar with the yuan for bilateral trade and investment with Beijing.
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January 4, 2018 5:45pm
- Harkman
  
  Then we start hearing about Pakistan harbouring Uyghur terrorists. Be careful what you wish for China.
  
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  January 4, 2018 5:54pm
  - Digmen1
    
    The thing is when it comes to terrorists or dissension etc, China does not f around or listen to the worlds liberals!
    China is also investing huge sums in its silk road in Pakistan.
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:33pm
Nostradamus

Kiwiblog’s crime reporter-in-residence, Notsofast, has written an opinion piece:

The case against Scott Watson

So, in summing up, no matter how the case continues to be selectively re-litigated, I believe Watson was found guilty for one very good reason – because he is guilty.

Next time: the case against Mark Lundy 🙂
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January 4, 2018 5:51pm
- nasska
  
  The thing that puzzles me about Watson is his apparent wish to die of old age in prison. It would have been a challenge for him to be more unhelpful or obstructive when his case was considered by the Parole Board in 2016.
  
  It raises questions. If he is manipulative as alleged why didn’t he have a go at conning the Board? After all they’re usually susceptible to a well slung yarn as they’ve demonstrated time after time.
  
  I’m not suggesting that he’s not guilty of the murders but his conduct is weird.
  
  http://www.paroleboard.govt.nz/decisions-of-public-interest/decisions/decisions-2016/watson_-_scott_-_06122016.html
  
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  January 4, 2018 6:28pm
big bruv

I notice on Stuff that fans of the NZ rugby team are really getting bent out of shape about some Kiwi chap called Barrett not being selected as the best Rugby player in the world. What’s worse though is that there are only two or three NZ players selected in the world team.
The comments are an example of small minded NZ at its best.
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January 4, 2018 6:31pm
- Longknives
  
  Happens every year Bruv!
  And if any International Rugby Journo even dares to suggest that the World XV isn’t entirely composed of All Blacks then NZ Rugby fans squeal like their throats have been cut…
  I was discussing ‘Greatest Ever’ XVs with a mate of mine (who happens to be a Sports Journalist)- His selection for Centre was Conrad Smith- Mine was a toss between Phillipe Sella and Danie Gerber.
  He was incredulous! “They wouldn’t even make the All Blacks”..”How many World Cups did Gerber or Sella win?” etc etc
  
  I honestly believe NZ Rugby fans are the most one-eyed and arrogant sports fans on the planet.
  
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  January 4, 2018 6:51pm
  - big bruv
    
    Actually Knives, I would be with your mate on that one. Smith is without doubt the best centre I have seen. I used to be a huge fan of BOD and Mike Gibson but I think that Smith is the better player. If I had to pick an all time world team it would only have a few Kiwis in it. Lomu and Smith in the backline and Michael Jones and Ken Gray in the forwards.
    
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    January 4, 2018 7:18pm
    - Longknives
      
      Really?? I’m early 40s so can’t comment on Bruce Robertson but Conrad Smith, fine player that he was, would struggle to make my top three All Black Centres!
      Joe Stanley, Steven Pokere, Frank Bunce etc
      Hell I know he went to League early in his career but I rate Craig Innes higher than Smith..
      
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      January 4, 2018 7:40pm
      - Longknives
        
        I wouldn’t argue Lomu or Jones- Both freakishly talented who redefined the game..
        
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        January 4, 2018 7:41pm
    - Longknives
      
      I would also suggest watching the Historic 1992 Test when South Africa came back from isolation to play NZ.
      Danie Gerber was mid 30s and past his prime- He cut the All Blacks to pieces…
      
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      January 4, 2018 7:44pm
      - big bruv
        
        Gerber was a great player who was used horribly by the 81 Springboks. They turned him into a bash player when he had far more skills than that. Bruce Robertson was a very good player, very much in the mould of Smith.
        Pokere….he must really rate as an unlucky NZ player. Fancy being in front of a judge who did not follow the code of letting ex or current rugby players off with a slap across the wrist.
        
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        January 4, 2018 7:55pm
  - Morrissey
    
    I trust this friend of yours is not that fool “Sumo” Stevenson, who a couple of years ago wrote one of the most laughably pretentious analyses of a rugby match ever…..
    
    http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.co.nz/2017/12/a-critique-of-sumo-stevensons.html
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:30pm
    - Morrissey
      
      I see we have at least one supporter of useless sports writers who try to be clever. Is that infamously stupid beardie Wynne “Sensible” Gray amongst us, perchance?
      
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      January 4, 2018 8:33pm
    - Longknives
      
      Nope.
      I move in classier circles than that Morrissey!
      
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      January 4, 2018 8:38pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Thank God, Longknives—I knew you were a good guy!
        
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        January 4, 2018 8:54pm
Nostradamus

Could this be a lucrative career opportunity for Gabby and Stephieboy?

Demand for male escorts from an exclusively female clientele is on the rise, with a quarter of Australia’s 516 male sex workers now catering to women and couples, a survey of websites in 61 countries has found.

The hourly rate would be significantly better than what they’d get for commenting on Kiwiblog all day!
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January 4, 2018 8:17pm
- Longknives
  
  1st Client-
  
  A lonely ’60ish’ Woman who lives by herself in School Road Kingsland.
  Fetish for handcuffs and Coonskin hats…
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:42pm
nasska

They could cite KB followers in any job reference. Their ability to shower a good forum with virtual body fluids & solids is the stuff of legends. 🙂
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January 4, 2018 8:32pm
- Manolo
  
  All Halal, of course!
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:34pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Morrissey seems to give his keyboard a good workout too – not sure how much “showering” goes on at his place!
  
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  January 4, 2018 8:40pm
  - nasska
    
    You don’t think he may have similar water restrictions to Penny’s do you Nostra? 🙂
    
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    January 4, 2018 8:44pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Nasska:
      
      That thought, together with your revelation above that Morrissey sits in front of the computer with his underpants around his ankles, is very disturbing!
      
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      January 4, 2018 8:54pm
Shaun the Sheep

Bugger all on the telly tonight.
By default I find myself with half an eye on a dreadfully premature obituary for Billy Connolly.
Timing is everything TV1.
Big fail.
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