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holysheet

The earth is buldging closer to the sun now, hence our hotter than normal summer. Look up at the moon after 1 am tonight and you will see a red moon. The moon is closest to the earth than it’s ever been.
AS WE ALL know, this affects the earths gravity, causing all sorts of change. There will be higher than normal tides.

Man made global warming my arse.
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January 31, 2018 8:02am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Hs –
  What is “buldging” ?
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:07am
  - igm
    
    Take a look at a Labour supporter . . . that will answer your question.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:08am
  - holysheet
    
    Bulging.
    I asked Mrs Holy how to spell it.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:12am
    - igm
      
      A trivial transposition is minor compared to errors in Fairfax media articles.
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:17am
    - kowtow
      
      Tilt .
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:26am
  - iMP
    
    I think he means Jim Buldger. The Great Helmsman is guiding us towards the moon.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:05am
- stephieboy
  
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  holysheet , based on what scientific research ?
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:19am
  - holysheet
    
    Fuck off numbnuts, do your own research instead of looking at all the porn.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:24am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Unfortunately I do not know where to start to find the scientific research that supports your statement that the earth is moving closer to the sun, so a bit of help would be appreciated there, thanks
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:30am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I think when Holy says ‘now’ he means at this time of year.
        It’s called perihelion.
        ‘Earth reaches perihelion in January The Earth-Sun distance will be 147,093,602 km. Aphelion, the greatest distance from the Sun, occurs in July when the Earth-Sun distance will be 152,097,053 km.’
        
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        January 31, 2018 8:34am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Watch the item on TV3 breakfast. The space expert even had a wee globe to demonstrate his explanation.
        The summer season means the southern hemisphere containing NZ /Aus is facing the sun which pulls the bulge toward it as it rotates. Hence it is warmer, this year we are a bit closer than normal to the sun, so the temperatures are even hotter. When it becomes winter in the southern hemisphere the northern hemisphere tilts toward the sun and we have a cold period in the southern hemisphere.
        Simple! ?
        
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        January 31, 2018 8:44am
      - stephieboy
        
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        All on Red , but I understand the phenomena has been happening for eons .
        
        You might fill the void with your own researches, providing links etc .
        
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        January 31, 2018 8:55am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        If he is talking about the perihelion, that happens every year and thus provides absolutely no explanation for our hotter than normal summer.
        
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        January 31, 2018 8:58am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Albert Roos , he’s not called Professor Red Herring for nothing .
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:00am
      - rangitoto
        
        Earth perihelion was around 3rd Jan so we are moving away from the Sun now. We are a bit robbed in the Southern Hemisphere as the Earth moves faster around perihelion which means that the Southern hemisphere summers are a little shorter than the Northern hemisphere ones.
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:33am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Why am I being downticked?
        
        Are there truly seven people here who think that the perihelion accounts for the unusually hot summer?
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:36am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Axial tilt is the reason for the Season.
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:47am
      - KiWombat
        
        A R – you have to learn to explain technical detail in monosyllabic vocabulary to some of the morons trolling through this blog. If there are too many letters in a technical word it scores a downtick because it is too difficult for them to comprehend – watch this post as an example!!
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:14pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Holysheet, I just Googled ‘Porn’.
      
      6538252635486234562635462656236526356263526652635623656235626356235623645263562635235626356263566562562635623526356236526354626354 pages!
      
      Some of ’em, gasp, with people in, erm, a state of undress.
      
      I had no idea!
      
      I still have 2858858235482358283582385283548238542834 to peruse…
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:00am
  - VicParking
    
    When have you ever used “scientific research” Stephie. Poking a stick at you favorates goats turds does not equal research. ??
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:26am
  - JibberJabber
    
    Galileo, Copernicus, Tycho Brahe etc, would be a good place to start Shit for Brains.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:46am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Sqwawk!
    
    Who’s a pretty Polly?
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:58pm
- thedavincimode
  
  … so dad4angermanagement will be here tonight until his late evening appointments?
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:32am
  - stigie
    
    You know, im really looking forward to it davinci..?
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:54am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Bollocks, moon has been steadily moving away from earth for 4.5billion years driven by weak momentum transfer of tides. Earth gravity stays just the same, tidal accelerations lunar+sun gravity slightly increased by moon at perigree on opposite side of earth to sun while earth also near perihelion.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:40am
  - rangitoto
    
    Correct
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:33am
- wreck1080
  
  I’d prefer to trust people who study such things, than some nameless person on the internet.
  
  While climate scientists could be wrong about man made global warming, they are most probably correct. For the same reason that jet planes do not drop out of our skies.
  
  CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Google “why is venus so hot”
  
  “The reason that Venus is hotter than Mercury is because it has an atmosphere made of carbon dioxide; it also has clouds of acid inside its atmosphere. This is called greenhouse effect.”
  
  Even the climate scientists welcome others to try and disprove their research.
  
  And, thankfully there are some climate scientists who do disagree and try to disprove the majority think. It is healthy for science to have naysayers.
  
  I think it is a good thing to have debate.
  
  You seem to know everything so no need for debating right?
  
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  January 31, 2018 10:25am
  - Ross12
    
    Are you suggesting that the SH is having a slightly warmer than average summer while the NH is having a colder than normal winter because of CO2 levels ?
    
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    January 31, 2018 11:06am
  - Peter
    
    wreck1080, I don’t think many people are arguing about the validity of the greenhouse effect, they are arguing about the degree of the effect on global temperature.
    
    Scientists and the IPCC admit they don’t know and that they are guessing. When people say “settled” they are typically political activists, not scientists.
    
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    January 31, 2018 11:43am
    - wreck1080
      
      It seems to me that you are the one with a political agenda. You are being deceptive at best .
      
      I understand climate research is an evolving subject, and while research to date shows the climate is warming due to mans activities it is entirely possible new evidence could alter this view. I am OPEN to new evidence and new theories.
      
      Whereas you have made up your mind and evidence is irrelevant because it doesn’t match your political views.
      
      From NASA….
      “Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities.”
      
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      January 31, 2018 3:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    “The reason that Venus is hotter than Mercury is because it has an atmosphere made of carbon dioxide;
    
    You do realise that Mars’ atmosphere is 96% CO2, don’t you?
    
    So I don’t think that’s the total reason for Venus having a high T and Mars having an av T of -60C.
    
    How about thinking of the atmospheric pressures on the planets?
    PV=nRT ring a bell?
    
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    January 31, 2018 12:00pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      How about Venus proximity to the sun?
      
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      January 31, 2018 12:29pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Venus temperature is due to opaque atmosphere with something like 100x mass of earth’ s atmosphere meaning adiabatic compression of atmospheric column from top to bottom creates something like 400deg of temperature rise rather than 80deg of earth.
      
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      January 31, 2018 1:59pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And the Atmospheric pressure at Mercury’s surface is less than one trillionth of Earth’s (around one nanopascal or 10-14 bar).
        https://www.windows2universe.org/mercury/Atmosphere/atmosphere.html
        
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        January 31, 2018 2:09pm
  - realityczech
    
    “CO2 is a greenhouse gas. Google “why is venus so hot””
    
    I did and it is because of the Sun dickhead.
    
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    January 31, 2018 12:33pm
    - wreck1080
      
      Ha ha, you are a moron in the broadest sense of the word.
      
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      January 31, 2018 3:30pm
- realityczech
  
  Actually what the “climate scientists” [chuckle] say is that the current hot summer is due to a weather event. And we all know climate and weather are different, cause they said so.
  
  However it is worth noting that higher temperatures were reached many many years ago, so this is well within normal variations.
  
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  January 31, 2018 12:37pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It was pretty hot in NZ on 7 Feb 1973…..many places in Canterbury between 40-42C.
    
    It was hot in Timaru on the 23 January 1908….40C.
    
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    January 31, 2018 2:14pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      But Maggy, hardly anyone in Timaru had a car in 1908! It can’t have been hot then. Because.
      
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      January 31, 2018 3:04pm
      - Johnboy
        
        A lot more of your breed farting in Timaru in 1908 than there are now Shaun! 🙂
        
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        January 31, 2018 3:34pm
- William of Ockham
  
  Without the atmosphere and greenhouse gases Earth would be -18C not +15C.
  
  While water vapour contributes more to the greenhouse effect than carbon dioxide, without CO2 and other non-condensing gases like methane there would be no significant WV.
  
  The evidence for man-made global warming is unambiguous; the science incontrovertible.
  
  Human activity accounts for all the warming.
  
  Here is an explanation:
  https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-for-co2-enhanced-greenhouse-effect-basic.htm
  
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  January 31, 2018 3:27pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    While water vapour contributes more to the greenhouse effect than carbon dioxide, without CO2 and other non-condensing gases like methane there would be no significant WV.
    
    Let me get my head around this….
    Every time we burn some petrol/diesel …we produce water vapour and CO2.
    
    2C8H18 + 25O2 → 16CO2 + 18H2O
    
    So, burn up 2 moles of Octane and 18 moles of water vapour are produced.
    
    And are you telling us that it is not solar radiation that drives the hydrological cycle, but the miraculous CO2 molecule?
    https://water.usgs.gov/edu/watercyclecondensation.html
    
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    January 31, 2018 4:19pm
- freethinker
  
  Have you checked this out with Grant.
  
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  January 31, 2018 7:47pm
waikatogirl

Lloyd Burr, political hack is looking for headlines says Bill English will announce during his state of the nation speech today that he is stepping down, or that he and Paula are being rolled as leader and deputy of the National Party by their colleagues. Burr says there have been rumours for a long time, lots of speculation… He reckons Bill English lost 2 elections and cannot come back from that. He says there has been speculation and whispers since the election that Bill will not be leader much longer. Burr reports of secret meetings, a coup being discussed and speculation on who will take over, will it be Paula, Amy, Simon or someone else?
So just rumours, nothing concrete from Lloyd Burr. FAKE NEWS! ?
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January 31, 2018 8:02am
- pdm
  
  Barely Sober is right into this on NewstalkZB.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:04am
  - Inandout
    
    Nah, merely pillow talk with Soper.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:07am
    - Tarquin North
      
      Just reading that has sent my day on a downhill spiral.
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:19am
    - RF
      
      Super sluth Soper….. not
      
      No surprise that he failed to graduate from the Police College as a cadet……
      
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      January 31, 2018 10:36am
  - Happychappy
    
    pdm : Wasn’t it barely sober and Loyd the fairy that keep on saying that Andrew Little was going to be rolled just about every month leading up to the 2017 Election and wasn’t the same two predicting Winston was going to get 20% in the 2017 Election also. Political news Journalists like Audry Young that are way past their used by date.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:22am
    - waikatogirl
      
      If the rumours do come to pass before the next election, the TV3 panel of Trish Shurson and Chris Trotter were in favour of Judith Collins replacing Bill as leader. They agree Judith has learnt to tone down her previous attack style and would make a great leader, that she would be a foil for Cindy. As a women Judith can take on Cindy without being accused of misogyny, plus she has the brains and ability to doggedly pursue the COL’s policies. Judith is all over social media and can take on the COL.
      
      PS: could someone inform Judith she needs to stop constantly watching herself on the desk monitor when on TV3 political panel.
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:33am
      - Happychappy
        
        Sorry wg I went to up tick you and got the down tick instead. I think Judith Collins would be a backward step for National and would not match what we have already. Carrying to much negative baggage also.
        
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        January 31, 2018 8:43am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Disagree Happy. Judith’s mistakes are apparently never to be forgiven by the msm and lefties. If she was a member of the left all would have been forgiven long ago and there would be no question about her abilities to lead.
        
        It is a shame for Judith and her political career after she made critical changes to her political style and toned down her personal demeanour after all the criticism. She was stood down and sent to Coventry before being allowed to return, but not forgiven even though she has shown she has changed from her abrasive style.
        
        Judith has “political balls” and many can’t handle that.
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:00am
    - G152
      
      Political reporters are just that. Political without the ability to disguise their biases.
      Fake news
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:36am
    - Digmen1
      
      I would not eat Audry Young even if she was fresh.
      
      What a horrible one eyed excuse for a journalist she is.
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:55am
  - VicParking
    
    And on Red Radio
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:28am
    - lifesgood
      
      Political commentator, Jane Paterson, was on Red Radio and had a very different take on this. She said Bill English will not be rolled, that he still has a lot of loyalty in caucus and that all National are doing is debriefing on their strategy for the last election, looking at how they can do things better. She thinks that someone is spreading rumours…you can guarantee they are from within government, but that it won’t happen. A reminder to all and sundry, Bill English did NOT lose the election, it was hijacked by a drunken dwarf’s utu.
      
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      January 31, 2018 10:22am
      - Surely Knott
        
        Bill did no lose the election. I’d vote for him again. The last poll had National on the rise, the drunken dwarf on 5%. And the Greens on a downward trend. Stay the course Nats.
        
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        January 31, 2018 4:57pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Why did we ever have to go through all the cost of that election? All the pundits were saying months out that it didn’t matter who came first and who came second in the race, WeeWinnie would choose who would govern. He was called the King/Queen maker for months.
        We should have saved the economy a bundle and just asked WW for his loyal appointment.
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:24pm
- brett68
  
  Media will keep undermining English until he goes.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:06am
  - Harkman
    
    Guess why? Because he beat (no crushed) her 44.5% to 36.9%, their darling Cindy can’t be seen to be an unpopular, illegitimate and a pretend Prime Minister, especially when the Coalition begins to crumble under Winnie the Pooh. Operation Bill Must Go, may have started.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:45am
    - brett68
      
      Yep and as unfair as it is, I don’t think he has a choice but to move aside.
      
      If he does go and Bridges ends up leader, National has lost 2020.
      
      The only person up for the job is Judith Collins, she needs to be the next National leader.
      Reasons
      
      1. She’s a woman and can tear Ardern apart and make her look like the vapid idiot that she is, without enraging a sizable chunk of the female vote, Bridges cannot get away with that
      
      2. The media females will give her a far easier run than Bridges would get.
      
      3. Labour has tried to make this about generational change, Ardern’s all about the yoof, Collins represents the other side.
      Fuck loads more people above 35 vote than those beneath.
      
      4. She’s about the one real politician left in National that actually gets politics and understands who and what Labour is.
      Unlike Key and his consensus politics bollocks, if elected she’ll take a flamethrower to Labours policies and burn them to the ground, because that’s what you’ve got to do, if you don’t we just get pushed further and further down the path to full blown socialism.
      
      Keys lack of change has allowed Labour to embed their socialist doctrine further into the fabric of NZ, we cannot afford another John Key.
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:06am
      - Ross12
        
        Agree again Brett re Bridges. If Bridges is the answer then National better get used to the opposition benches.
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:18am
      - brett68
        
        Bridges is such a smarmy looking guy and the way he speaks, he hasn’t got a chance of beating Ardern.
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:25am
      - KKKKatee
        
        I agree that Bridges is not the ‘one’ for National.
        His public persona is not that impressive…..
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:47am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        I know Simon well and like the guy – but he IMO is not the one to take over National.
        Bill will not be rolled or step down. He will be there to fight the next election.
        
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        January 31, 2018 10:52am
      - backster
        
        I agree with you about Judith, but it seems she is unpopular with caucus (many of whom are pretty left) Caucus selects the leader..
        
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        January 31, 2018 10:57am
      - calendar girl
        
        I’m another who doesn’t want Bridges anywhere near the National leadership.
        
        Had to chuckle today when a visitor from Tauranga said that some National supporters there refer to him as “Brylcreem Bridges”.
        
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        January 31, 2018 4:53pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Well put!
        
        It seems like even the great Kiwibloggers denial about Two Time Bill’s demise is coming to an end at last.
        
        There seem to be still a number of hold outs – but this is nothing like the storm of indignant downticking that accompanied such suggestions after the election.
        
        I am pleased that sanity is returning to the KB readers!
        
        My big concern is that National will follow the “anything but the right option” path that bedogged Labour 2009-17 when the lurched from one ambitious but utterly hopeless leader after another. I worry that Labour’s hilarious Goff-Shearer-Cunliffe-Little clown-show is going to be emulated by National with a similarly hopeless cycle through Coleman-Bennett-Kaye-Bridges before they allow Collins to rip up the idiots in Labour. And for the vapid who may think that the electoral answer to Taxcinda is to combat her with a younger female left-leaning equivalent (ie Kaye) the simple truth is that there is no question for which the right answer is Nikki Kaye. There is a reason why her office in the Beehive was known as the “House of Pain” – hint, it wasn’t anything to do with Bdsm fun times being had there!
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:12pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Backster – I think you put your finger on the problem! For a centre-right party to have plenty of left-leaning front benchers is a fatal flaw!
        
        Certainly why my vote strayed from party voting National.
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:14pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Go Crusher – there are others who could step up, but why bother when Bill is in command?
        He outpolled Labour by more than 20% remember !
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:28pm
    - Piniwi
      
      True H it is standard MO for the Media party. As the House starts to sit we again get to the shambles that makes up the COL. So the rapidly need a distraction as the Commie Chicks Bill is looking like another lead balloon.
      
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      January 31, 2018 3:28pm
  - Ross12
    
    Totally agree brett68.
    I think most of the political media are thinking it is just business as usual and that means when a party loses the leader changes.
    This time was different in many ways and one of those was the new opposition is a strong, experienced and reasonably cohesive team. Of course some (if not all) Nat MPs were disappointed but I don’t think it was Parliamentary party leadership problems.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:55am
  - itstricky
    
    Media will keep undermining English until he goes.
    
    Didn’t he already plan to go before JK left? Hadn’t he already put semi-plans in place? If so, he’s already signalled it, the media chattering is simply gossiping about it, waiting for the day to come. Undermining is a bit too conspiratorial.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:57am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  It won’t be so easy to roll Paula soon.
  (Downtick landslide – totally worth it).
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:13am
  - itstricky
    
    8 upticks? What you really needed to be was me cracking a joke like that, then you’d get the full treatment.
    
    PS. Keeping Stock will be here any moment to tell you off. And then to repremand “The Virgin” below, too.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:11am
- Harkman
  
  “Lloyd Burr, political hack”
  
  After you see this you can guess Burr had something up to fill the January doldrums.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:14am
  - Harkman
    
    What happened to the edit button? Went to add “made something up” it didn’t show because the duplicate error page came up. Interesting. I must have bumped the ‘post comment’ button twice.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:21am
    - VicParking
      
      The programming on the comments function needs a review
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:29am
- niggly
  
  Meh, another Soper/WO aligned hit piece (for WO anything to undermine Bill English and promote the person whom WO ironically was responsible for her losing her Ministerial warrant in the first place, then actively campaigned against her party to put them and her into Opposition – with “friends” like that turning things to shit who needs enemies)!
  
  Anyway it is logical for National to review things, however the mistake would be to change the leader who is on top of his game when it comes to the COL – it’s not just Jacinda, who is a temporary phenomena, it’s also soon to be appointed “PM” WinstonFirst, Andrew Little and Grant Robertson.
  
  Bill English has their measure (whereas say Judith Collins couldn’t even bat away Robbo over perceived conflicts of interest, which she’s good at stumbling into one then another. National’s Theresa May perhaps – well intentioned but bit of a cluster)?
  
  With the WinstonFirst appointed PM Select (Ardern), MSM fascination with their self promoted “Jacindamania”, and the formation of the COL to the MSM’s delight, the one interesting observation is how much respect and time the MSM still give to Bill English. It’s like deep down they know he should have been PM still, but more importantly they respect his grasp on policy and knowledge of matters important to NZ’s economic well being.
  
  It’s not his time to step aside (but of course there’s no harm to be thinking about succession in the future, as such National are fortunate to have a number of capable MP’s to choose from).
  
  Having said that perhaps it’s time for a new Deputy. Paula did a sterling job in the election and should be proud of her achievements but time for a fresh face here to ease into the succession planning).
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:57am
  - BeaB
    
    Quite right about Judith making a total cock-up of the Oravida cup of tea ‘scandal’. Letting a knob like Robertson beat you hands down was pathetic.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:28am
    - niggly
      
      Exactly, she had her chance to prove herself under pressure (like Key and English) and couldn’t handle it.
      
      Then rightly or wrongly the Left from time to time claims her husband is involved in shipping out this and that to China to make a killing (at a time when middle NZ is increasingly weary of these issues).
      
      Personally I do think she is a good hard working politician but seems to lack awareness (of perceptions and consequences) and empathy, things the media will have a field day with painting National as out of touch (like they did with Brash) and that’s unfortunately the message middle NZ sees as it relies on the MSM (not blogs) to be informed!
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:41am
      - niggly
        
        Since I mentioned Brash … quite like him, would have made a good PM in 2005 (and was one reason why I changed from Labour to National back then, to end all this PC nonsense), but simply stating the obvious the MSM denigrate him as much as Collins, which at the end of the day means National’s popularity suffers (as unlike us political junkies, middle NZ relies on MSM opinions on who to vote for) meaning they won’t be in Govt and at the end of the day that’s the end game folks, is it not!
        
        Not having someone you like as Leader in permanent Opposition – leave that to the LabGreens!
        
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        January 31, 2018 10:20am
      - waikatogirl
        
        niggly, anyone over 50 is the wrong generation according to the msm legends in their own minds.
        
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        January 31, 2018 2:00pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Nonsense – Key threw her under the bus.
      
      There’s no surviving it when the PM won’t stand behind you when you are innocent. Key strengthened his personal position within National by making the National Ministry weaker.
      
      And in the process of doing it he ensured we were going to be stuck with Mr Proven Loser English in 2017 – result the CoL is now governing and Key looks to be shipping out.
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:20pm
  - Gabby
    
    Colons will be fine unless news of the native bird export business gets out.
    
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    January 31, 2018 1:34pm
- Notsofast
  
  “There is a general acceptance that Bill English was robbed of the Prime Minister’s job by Winston Peters, but senior MPs are now jockeying for support from their colleagues to replace him.” says Barry Soper. Am I the only one who takes the party name New Zealand First at face value, and regards as preposterous that Winstone would negotiate with National to finesse the sellout of the country to Chinese expansionists?
  The negotiation phase was a puzzle for morons only, but there are plenty in these parts.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:58am
Monique Watson

Weather is here. Wish you were fine. Conditions favorable for Gov-Sat 2 launch off Canaveral.
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January 31, 2018 8:02am
Inandout

Chloe Swashbuckle wants us all to grow ‘medical marijuana’ in our back yards, instead of it being regulated. We will all be honest and not on sell it; promise.
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January 31, 2018 8:06am
- holysheet
  
  Think about that. If we all grew our own, who would be willing to pay for it?
  Supply and demand?
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:08am
  - Inandout
    
    You used to be able to buy tobacco seeds but that was shut down because of health scares. Marijuana is also smoked.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:13am
    - sHr0oMaN
      
      Here you go – the powa of the intertubes
      https://www.wickedhabits.nz/product/649340
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:17am
    - holysheet
      
      We can get gryff to supply us with all the seed we will ever need.
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:21am
  - kowtow
    
    There’ll be plenty of people who grow it, and more who won’t. The non growers will pay gang members to rob the growers.
    It will still be regulated and the gangs will still make money off it.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:29am
  - Piniwi
    
    It is the old Kiwi way holysheet. Most regular home gardeners shared their produce with friends and family every season. It was also great for a bit of barter.
    
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    January 31, 2018 3:36pm
- flipper
  
  I have an early 20s grandson who thinks he and his mate are going to make a fortune growing, harvesting and selling weed.
  I told him to look at tobacco and the alcoholic beverages to see what would happen were that were ever to come to pass.
  He told me that I needed to “get with it”.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:28am
  - alex Masterley
    
    Flipper, I think he is the one that needs to get with it. The revenue is constantly on the look out for revenue streams to tap into.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:12am
- KevOB
  
  It’s not that easy. The “medical” variety has almost no THC–no buzz. It has a plant alcohol instead. It will be hard to tell the varieties apart.
  
  Some of these plant chemicals are very therapeutic. We have discovered one that has removed arthritic knee pain (over 12 months without top up). It also works on hands. It is currently undergoing trials.
  
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  January 31, 2018 10:57am
- backster
  
  The pitbull and shotgun industries would provide the best investment opportunities.
  
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  January 31, 2018 11:09am
- Gabby
  
  All of us downanout?
  
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  January 31, 2018 1:36pm
Monique Watson

I meant GovSat-1.
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January 31, 2018 8:08am
- waikatogirl
  
  You been having the odd tipple Monique? ?
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:14am
cas

Saw on TV news last night some sheep in Central Otago trying to get shelter from the heat under a stony outcrop. Bring back shelter belts.
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January 31, 2018 8:14am
- pdm
  
  Contact Shane Jones – he is looking for somewhere/anywhere to plant a few trees. He has billions to get out there and in the ground and is way behind.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:19am
  - G152
    
    They could hide from the sun if only Shane would stop squirming every time one of his utterances hit daylight
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:39am
Nukuleka

The whole ‘child poverty’ meme is a con job and the Nats should be calling it for what it is irrespective of any labeling that the MSM and the COL hurl in their direction. Children living in hardship are the direct products of parents who make poor choices and/or wilfuly neglect their responsibilities.

The push to eradicate ‘child poverty’ is a backdoor way of pushing all the excesses of socialism and the redistribution of wealth. It is a bandaid that will not make one bit of difference to the underlying causes of children living in hardship.
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January 31, 2018 8:15am
- stephieboy
  
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  Nukuleka , wish it were as simple as that which would mean child poverty would vanish almost over night just with a course in parenting ( hopefully not run by you ).
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:24am
  - VicParking
    
    If you tax the rich it lowers the median take home income. That means that more people move above the median and are suddenly out of poverty. See how well in worked in Venezuela.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:35am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Stephie-bitch you are talking shit (again). While things outside the control of people can cause short-term hardship, there is no need to families in NZ to live in poverty beyond their own bad choices.
    If there was away for government to legislate against people making bad choices they would be talking to you first sunshine.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:53am
    - sooty
      
      Do you think it’s SB’s mum on shift today?
      
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      January 31, 2018 12:53pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    ad hominem attacks as always, stephieboy- you can so be relied upon!
    
    Compulsory parenting courses before allowing people to procreate would most likely reduce child hardship. Thanks for your constructive comment to the debate.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:33am
- tf78
  
  As Steven Joyce pointed out this morning on ZB the Col’s child poverty points are just puffery and all the measures were put in place in Nationals budget last year. The Col are just full of it.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:40am
  - sooty
    
    Barbie doll politics!
    
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    January 31, 2018 12:55pm
- Yvette
  
  Is setting targets for the next Government to fulfil promises you made last Election, a very good Election strategy?
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:13am
- Paulus
  
  Of course Socialism is all about reducing everybody to a low level so we are all equal.
  Will be Cindy’s epitaph.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:24am
- KiWombat
  
  Pity that children living in poverdy can’t drink beer – there always seems to be plenty on tap in the “poorer” households !
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:48pm
flipper

Poofie was at pains yesterday in The House to brush off growing business conerns over the Labour/Peters/Redmelon Regime.

Forbes magazine is also concerned and warns us.
“New Zealand, An Economic Success Story, Loses Its Way – Forbes”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jareddillian/2017/11/20/new-zealand-an-economic-success-story-loses-its-way/#3e01cb3c5f7a

But don’t expect the children in the rag head NZ MSM to care
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January 31, 2018 8:21am
- Harkman
  
  If you look at the Credit Suisse global wealth report NZ’s wealth actually caught up with and surpassed many richer Western European etc nations under National. I’m willing to bet Labour will put a stop to this, “NZ growing rich, outrageous.”
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:28am
- stephieboy
  
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  flipper , from your link ,
  
  “New Zealand is a supply-side economic miracle. ”
  
  I think a great many New Zealanders would disagree with such a bald statement .Yes , it was a necessary move ( dismantling eg, import controls and tariff protection etc ) but we still live in the wake of the fact that it has not produced a miracle cure for all our economic and social ills .
  
  It also helps to explain the popularity of John Keys and his more centrist and balanced policies ( cf tinder dry Don and ACT )
  
  Note import protection and related regulation reform ! The US President is currently doing the complete opposite .
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:34am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Flipper; as much as I detest Robertson’s politics, calling him “Poofie” is infantile stuff. He’s gay; we all know that, so what?
  
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  January 31, 2018 1:28pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Nice to see you taking itstricky’s hints.
    
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    January 31, 2018 1:32pm
  - Piniwi
    
    BS KS. There might be a new label for poofters and homo’s but they are still poofters.
    
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    January 31, 2018 3:44pm
  - stigie
    
    Sweet cheeks is probably more of a decent name to call the Wn Fairy !~
    
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    January 31, 2018 4:04pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      If Robbo wasn’t so smug (and incompetent) he might receive more respect.
      
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      January 31, 2018 6:43pm
- realityczech
  
  “New Zealand, An Economic Success Story, Loses Its Way – Forbes”
  
  But why was this not front page news, ahead of things like Trump sipping a glass of water and other atrocities?
  
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  January 31, 2018 7:31pm
Lee C

Is it true to say that the virtue-signalling govt who does nothing substantial is not actually a body governing, but in fact a body using a sympathetic media to run its next election campaign? In my opinion, about are actually engaging in their election campaign (tax-payer paid) as we speak. While the opposition slumbers in its fugue of self-pity.
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January 31, 2018 8:27am
- tf78
  
  I love the way “let’s do this” is now “let’s have a conversation”, that will get the country growing immeasurably.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:54am
  - Flash
    
    You mean ‘all talk and no do’?
    
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    January 31, 2018 12:05pm
    - sooty
      
      All hat and no cattle.
      
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      January 31, 2018 12:57pm
- Gabby
  
  It’s as true now as it ever was ackshly.
  
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  January 31, 2018 3:32pm
flipper

Already a 2600 + and 27000000 + house and tree deficit. Oh dear…..
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January 31, 2018 8:31am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  To be fair, only an idiot would be planting trees at this time of the year, but my oh my April is going to be a busy month!
  Expect employment to skyrocket. //
  Then of course there’s the little matter of where to put them all. Hmm …
  Oh dear, indeed flipper my friend.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:41am
kowtow

The German elites are a funny lot.

They pretend to be desperate to live down the past and yet their car makers still use humans in “scientific” experiments , in the name of a warming planet.

Now the woman who let in the million wants to limit reunions but their socialists want to keep them coming.

And if you don’t like that you’ll be stopped from joining football clubs!

https://www.thelocal.de/20180129/eintracht-frankfurt-hope-to-start-movement-by-banning-afd-members-from-club
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January 31, 2018 8:33am
- Gabby
  
  Of course a membership boycott would be racist and illegal.
  
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  January 31, 2018 3:34pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Poor old Angela. She’s forgotten the history of how to become great in Germany. She just needs to get a decent marching band to play at her political rallies. 🙂
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM05nJb3s7A
    
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    January 31, 2018 3:41pm
EAD_TWO

Can they get any more blatant in promoting the Coudenhove Kalegri Plan?

https://diversitymachtfrei.wordpress.com/2018/01/28/miscegenation-macht-frei/

A new German magazine has just been launched. Called Adelene, it bills itself as the magazine for pregnancy, birth and family.

This is the cover of the first issue. Its editor is Navina Salomon.

https://diversitymachtfrei.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/adelene.png

Judging by her own family photo on Facebook, it seems she prefers to avoid miscegenation herself.
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January 31, 2018 8:36am
Harkman

The definition of annoying = having a tragedy in the family and then that night @ 4:25AM a foreign fax machine calling, 3 times. Arrrrrh.
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January 31, 2018 8:36am
- fernglas
  
  What about those fucking phishing people telling you that your computer has a Windows malfunction? They’re the only calls I ever get on the landline. The papers had a big scam warning about them the other day. Apparently people are actually being sucked in. The paper gave all the signs to watch out for, but for some reason overlooked mentioning the most obvious one, which is that the phishers all have thick Indian accents. I wonder why that was omitted?
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:45am
  - Harkman
    
    Yeah, when they call you they have already hacked you. Just bastards.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:50am
    - waikatogirl
      
      No landline is possible these days. Does away with all those pesky people phishing or calling at dinner time asking you to take part in a short survey…
      
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      January 31, 2018 10:10am
kowtow

Our elites are deluded thickos too.

This guy was given rate payer money in Dunedin to do weed contracting.

‘A Dunedin gang kingpin has been jailed over a street attack in which he swung a patu at another man’s head.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/crime/gang-leader-jailed-street-attack
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January 31, 2018 8:37am
- VicParking
  
  Read the fine print…the contract was to weed out noxious invaders. Job Done
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:45am
VicParking

Bill English to be rolled. Red radio is making up shit. He might be, he could be but they have found no evidence. “the wagons are beginning to circle”.
He’s a rumour, Once the Waka jumping legislation is passed NZ First will toss Winston out of the party and out of parliament.
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January 31, 2018 8:42am
- Dave Mann
  
  Like it or not, Bill English has lost two elections and this last loss has probably cost the country and our society more than we can comprehend at this stage.
  
  English is a safe pair of hands, sure, and he’s got a good head on his shoulders for finance – but that’s the limit of his talents. He has almost zero charisma and in other areas he proved himself to be a closet socialist who sold our country out to the Maori separatists and extended welfare to the lazy and opportunists.
  
  English should never have been leader. What the fuck was John Key thinking when he decided to abandon ship? We’ll never know he answer to this if course, but English has probably set the stage for 6 years of tragedy for our country both economically and socially.
  
  I hope Burr is correct in his assessment. The sooner National starts rebuilding the better, frankly.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:00am
  - lifesgood
    
    Rubbish! Bill English did not lose the election.
    
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    January 31, 2018 10:31am
    - Dave Mann
      
      With respect…. not rubbish at all.
      
      I’m a two-ticks-national kinda guy and I was pushing this message here well before the election. I’m also a conservative thinking binary hetero and I certainly don’t want to play find the snake with this Lloyd Burr character….. but the fact remains that National ran an insipid wet and totally uninspiring campaign with a ‘leader’ who has the dynamism and presentation skills of a depressed sloth on sleeping tablets.
      
      It wouldn’t have been so bad if National had had a credible coalition partner on the right, but there’s just nothing there at present. I only hope someone in National is sitting up and taking notice…. but Bill English has had it now.
      
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      January 31, 2018 2:50pm
  - flipper
    
    D Mann …
    C R A P !
    Lifesgood states it correctly.
    BTW….
    Would you buy a used car from Peters, Poofie, Ardern, Burr, Sober, Vance et al …. or that lying piece 0f excrement, Schiff in the USA ????
    The hell you would, and neither will I.
    
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    January 31, 2018 12:45pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      See above.
      
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      January 31, 2018 2:59pm
  - KiWombat
    
    English finished way out front – a 20% lead over the second placed filly is a win everywhere but in NZ politics !
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:54pm
The Virgin

If Bill was to step down, I would like to see a couple like Judith and Paula take it to that “buck toothed horse faced whiner” who the media are having wet dreams over, the left engaging in victorious rampant homo sex and Gareth Hughes is considering a “come” back.
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January 31, 2018 8:47am
- itstricky
  
  “buck toothed horse faced whiner”
  
  KEEPING STOCK!
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:59am
  - igm
    
    Referred to as “Horror Head”.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:08am
- MCos
  
  Sounds like you’re fixated on sex, Virgin.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:05am
  - itstricky
    
    Hmmm, I think I see a correlation…
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:12am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes that would be fun.
  A tag team
  But the thing is voters decide who to vote for on other things.
  Money, bribes, MSM, their families values etc.
  Not what they see in Parliament.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:08am
iMP

If “Jesus” is to be removed from our parliamentary prayer will “Christ” be removed from “Christchurch” to be the city of “Church” and “Ministers” removed from the Beehive?

Will her Majesty the Queen be removed as Head of State considering she is also Head of the Church?

Will Maori be removed to not offend non-Maori?

Because….”offended”.
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January 31, 2018 8:48am
- fernglas
  
  Church would also have to be removed, as this is a Christian concept as well. Perhaps it could be renamed “Placeofprophetworship”? We could then rename Auckland “Placeofprofitworship” and Devonport “Placeofrefitwarship”, Wellington “Placefullofshit”, and Dunedin “Placenottovisit”
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:58am
- SGA
  
  And the acronym OMG will be pruned to OM 🙂
  (Add: I think the word minister has roots meaning “servant” thus its use in both political and religious settings – some wordsmith here can correct me if that’s wrong).
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s correct…
    Minister, Ministri – Latin for servant/attendant/agent/assistant
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:36am
    - SGA
      
      Hence, “Ministers of the Crown”, serving the monarch.
      I imagine the word “administrate” has similar roots.
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:39am
      - holysheet
        
        Hence, “Ministers of the Crown”~~serving~~ rooting the monarch.
        
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        January 31, 2018 1:46pm
stephieboy

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I have been reflecting on the down and up ticking phenomenon on KB and how rabid right naysayers often misconstrue its results .

Firstly down ticking ( as often happens to me ) doesn’t necessarily say the ideas that are put forward are wrong . Merely they are unpopular and certainly downticks for the same don’t mirror mainstreams thinking out there in the real world. A real world the rabid alt right seem to often fail make a connection too.

As though many of their extreme ideas are cocooned inside a bubble chamber of delusions ,insulated from reality . This might help explain ,how among many of them , silly conspires theories whirl around in that bubble . Theories like Birtherism , Clinton Body Count , Seth Rich , Pizzagate etc . Or Islam is conspiring to turn NZ into a Caliphate with the operational centre in Mt Roskill “ stan ”

Thoughts ?
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January 31, 2018 8:49am
- Harkman
  
  Again “Alt right” is just nonsense talk.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:53am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Harkman, I clearly stated “rabid ” alt right to help assuage the super sensitive possibly like you .
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:57am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      You were making a good and well-reasoned point until you used the term “alt-right”.
      
      Unreasoning hatred and automatic down-ticking of certain individuals, no matter what they actually say, are by no means restricted to the rabid alt-right.
      
      In any case “alt-right”, whether rabid or not, by the definition you yourself have given, cannot fairly be applied to the majority of Kiwibloggers. Some of them, certainly, EAD is one obvious example.
      
      But you throw it indiscriminately at everybody who disagrees with you, whatever the subject and no matter how well their points are made. And when you do that to any word, it loses its meaning and effectiveness.
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:07am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        In any case “alt-right”, whether rabid or not, by the definition you yourself have given, cannot fairly be applied to the majority of Kiwibloggers. Some of them, certainly, EAD is one obvious example.
        
        Imagine being born into a time where timid pacifism, careerism, materialism and perpetual holidaying makes you a “good citizen” – while patriotism, thinking beyond one’s own petty existence and speaking of the future makes you a “rabid”, “racist” “alt right” “Nazi”.
        
        I suppose there’s no need to imagine is there Albert?
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:53am
      - stephieboy
        
        Albert Ross , ok point taken . In future would ” rabid right “be acceptable in your opinion . I thought about it when I was doing the post and demurred for some time
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:54am
      - MrLovebucket
        
        When my 2yo old is tired, and we remind her that she is starting to sound like a “snively whiney little leftie”. She soon comes right, as she clearly doesn’t appreciate that association.
        
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        January 31, 2018 12:40pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Maybe you could take your alt-right, rabid or not, and shove it up your not remotely sensitive arse.
      You’ve well and truly worn that label out.
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:48am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Whenever I read ‘alt-right’ anywhere I have a mental auto-correct that replaces it in my mind with ‘ordinary, decent people’ I find that this is much less hysterical way of describing folks who:
    – don’t believe in fairytales and
    – can think for themselves.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:25pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Firstly I think you get downticked because everyone thinks you’re a trolling little fuckwit.
  But onto your other point about mainstream thinking. As an example.
  You seem to agree with free immigration and amnesty for Illegal immigrants in the US yet polling shows the vast majority of Americans don’t want it.
  Did you consider that perhaps YOUR views are the outlier and not mainstream thinking?
  I’d observe they certainly aren’t mainstream on other matters and in other areas that you are pretty ignorant and uninformed
  Just sayin.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:00am
  - kowtow
    
    Why engage with the troll at all ? Downtick it to oblivion. It seeks attention , just don’t give it any.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:02am
  - All_on_Red
    
    On immigration I should be clearer.
    They don’t support a blanket amnesty or open borders but do support a possible pathway for Dreamers etc which has conditions.
    Like 10-12 years of no criminal activity, achieving an educational standard or military service.
    With Chain migration limited as well
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:11am
    - KevOB
      
      US immigration is a US concern; not ours. Every nation must be free to set it’s own borders. The problem of long term residents without rights is an internal matter of justice. We have Kiwis in Aus. with similar problems.
      
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      January 31, 2018 11:13am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    All on Red , of course I don’t agree with untrammelled immigration and illegals in the US . But unlike you I don’t believe a 1,900 mile border wall is the solution.
    
    Nor do I believe your silly idea about climate change and the perihelion that has occurred for eons . And does not explain hotter or colder weather or extreme weather events.
    
    Talk about red herrings .
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:12am
- Digmen1
  
  I have set my broswer to auto down tick any post of yours!
  
  Have you seen Stuff on line lately?
  Every article they run has many right wing ticks.
  Hardly any for left wing views!
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:05am
  - Piniwi
    
    Interesting Digmen1 that as WO numbers dwindle it seems Stuff are becoming an alternative more balanced comments. They also show negative (-) for leftie comments. Sadly the Stuff content is failing still with the likes of Martin’s drivel.
    
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    January 31, 2018 3:56pm
- sooty
  
  Who’s the SB on shift today? Coming across all lovey dovey, Greasey, greasey. Butter would never melt in their mouth. Certainly a different one on shift today.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:07am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  “Don’t mirror mainstream thinking out there in the real world”.
  
  Honestly if you think Mt Roskill and it’s mix of residents is representative of New Zealand or the “real world” then it really may to get out a bit more.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:56am
- VicParking
  
  Stephie we down tick you because of who you are. I’m sure most people don’t even read your posts
  
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  January 31, 2018 10:05am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Have you tried reading SB’s posts. The contents deserve the downticks he gets.
    
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    January 31, 2018 10:49am
- UpandComer
  
  You don’t get banned because you’re right in the sense no one wants an echo chamber.
  
  But you’re quite wrong about all the aforementioned issues. They simply get relegated to ‘conspiracy theory’ status because they compete against the narrative.
  
  You simply disregard all the evidence.
  
  Take Seth Rich – even Donna Brazile said she feared for her life after she found out he got killed in her new book.
  
  The Clinton body count isn’t even a conspiracy theory any more. It’s just kind of accepted on all sides in the USA as a fact of political life.
  
  Pedo-gate is real – here is another example:
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2018/01/30/mark-salling-reportedly-dead-glee-star-was-facing-jail-for-child-porn-possession.html
  
  Glee star kills himself facing prison for possessing child porn.
  
  https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/australia-rabbi-resigns-over-remarks-on-pedophiles-1.5304819
  
  https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11
  
  I mean – you just ignore any evidence contrary to what CNN tells you. Even if it’s from your own media sources.
  
  What does VICE have to do? Put one in your house?
  
  These guys are also these guys: https://www.aipac.org/
  
  And those guys determine what happens in the US.
  
  Don’t be so disingenuous about Islam in NZ. If there were enough, that would absolutely be the case.
  
  https://www.theaustralian.com.au/life/weekend-australian-magazine/between-two-worlds/news-story/2428e0455638f816738e372a8bd4419e?sv=9cd3f5bf6ed14883bf035b7b23824030
  
  It’s absolutely the case in Lakemba and Auburn. I had to live there. I’ve been woken up every day by the Adhan. I hated it. Absolutely hated it.
  
  That’s the future everywhere unless we take a stand and say we aren’t going to become a part of the Caliphate.
  
  Kenneth Galbraith is correct.
  
  I just hope spending enough time here starts to slowly break down some of the conditioning for you Stephie.
  
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  January 31, 2018 10:06am
  - stephieboy
    
    Upand comer , you are deluded re Seth Rich and Clinton body count and, alarmingly ,the thoroughly debunked and laughable Pizzagate ,
    
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/aug/07/seth-rich-separating-fact-and-speculation/
    
    Stop chasing fang fairies
    
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    January 31, 2018 10:22am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      When you quote fact-checkers who are funded by left-leaning fake news purveyors it just makes you look silly.
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:28pm
Swifty

Allah/Muslims now a ‘race’ – who knew?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11985079

Sloppy NZ Herald, just sloppy.
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January 31, 2018 8:58am
- itstricky
  
  Sloppy NZ Herald, just sloppy.
  
  Or news.com.au?
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:03am
  - Swifty
    
    I think the Herald.
    
    The news.com.au reference is the photo credit, I believe.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:20am
    - itstricky
      
      The first line from the news.com.au article is exactly the same:
      
      http://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/h-m-caught-up-in-fresh-racism-row-over-offensive-allah-childrens-sock-range/news-story/f2b69556c9caa472132dcc2dc27cb117
      
      Perhaps it’s even worse, perhaps they just copied it verbartim.
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:36am
      - Swifty
        
        Yeah, perhaps they did.
        
        Even more sloppy then.
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:40am
Digmen1

I don’t think Bill English should step down.
He just about won the election for National on his own, especially in the last 2 weeks.
Joyce ran a useless campaign. pathetic re-run ads.
Paula Bennett (deputy) was no where to be seen.

Judith Collins has too much baggage (China etc) although I like her)
Simon Bridges – may be in a few years time.

These days people vote for Charismatic leaders or one with young horse faces and a bun in the oven

So National need to think carefully.
Who in National has some Charisma?
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January 31, 2018 9:02am
- fernglas
  
  No-one, sadly.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:05am
- Inandout
  
  If Collins has baggage, then what of Jacinda who once was a communist?
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:17am
  - igm
    
    Still is a filthy commo.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:38am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , a card carrying member of which Communist Party ?
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:39am
    - Inandout
      
      You don’t carry cards nowadays stephie.
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:56am
      - stephieboy
        
        Inandout , then which Communist party ? Remembering also that Orwell was a Socialist and a member of the Independent Marxist Party. ( Trotskyite )
        
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        January 31, 2018 10:12am
    - rangitoto
      
      There’s only one.
      
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      January 31, 2018 10:58am
  - G152
    
    Only once ?????
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:54am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Todd Muller.
  
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  January 31, 2018 11:13am
  - Gabby
    
    Todd Mullet is slightly duller than Nothing Guy, who makes Tim MacInDope look flamboyant.
    
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    January 31, 2018 3:50pm
- Piniwi
  
  Don’t panic Digmen1 sure Labour think they have a charismatic “leader” but IMHO she will be rolled long before Bill English if ever he is.
  
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  January 31, 2018 4:01pm
phobius

When is Michael Cullen going to be held to account for wasting $400m that could have been spent on actually fixing the broken railway system? Can he be prosecuted or can we bring a class action suit against him?
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January 31, 2018 9:04am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  phobias , why not you start the ball running and open up a give a little account ?
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:14am
- Digmen1
  
  That really is old news.
  You could start a class action if you wanted to.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:20am
- Manolo
  
  Never. His Labour lite mates (Key & co.) had even the audacity of giving him a knighthood.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:34am
- cmm
  
  $400M…. bah!
  
  What about the $2bn lost due to Labour and Greens purposefully sabotaging the partial asset sales?
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:37am
  - flipper
    
    But they would not do that. Would they?
    Yep, the lying bastards.
    
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    January 31, 2018 12:51pm
- Gabby
  
  Once the traitor Max Bradford has been banged up for stealing the national grid phomius.
  
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  January 31, 2018 3:52pm
iMP

Don’t be so negative. Cindy is having a lovely baby…kittens…ducklings.
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January 31, 2018 9:10am
- MrLovebucket
  
  Lets hope they last longer than her cat
  
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  January 31, 2018 12:33pm
- flipper
  
  But since it was an immaculate conception, who was the impregnator?
  
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  January 31, 2018 12:53pm
  - KiWombat
    
    Those late nights of “negotiations” have led to multiple outcomes
    
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    January 31, 2018 10:02pm
iMP

BREAKING NEWS. To stave off a leadership coup Bill Engerish has announced he is having a baby. The father is Steven Joyce… because “gender equality”.
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January 31, 2018 9:12am
- SGA
  
  My goodness, he’s going to have a lot to say next time he’s in confession 🙂
  I wonder how many Hail Marys that will be worth.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:15am
Digmen1

Jacinda just mentioned needing to have a “conversation” 7 times in an interview with Jack Tame. (thanks to WO)

It used to be “we will set up a working group”
Years ago it used to be “I think”
Then it was “we need a debate”
We were never invited to one of those debates.
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January 31, 2018 9:18am
- rangitoto
  
  We will have a conversation is leftie speak for “I am going to give you orders, which you will obey under pain of death.”
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:45am
  - Digmen1
    
    No it means, we’ll think about it for a while, then take your money and try to fix the problem.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:55am
    - RalphT
      
      …and then come back for more money because we had no idea what we were doing so will have to try something else.
      Rinse and repeat.
      
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      January 31, 2018 10:51am
  - Gabby
    
    It’s a staple of management-speak rangi.
    
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    January 31, 2018 3:54pm
- Peter
  
  Lefties love talk-fests.
  
  I suspect it’s a way of avoiding having to do something constructive, which can then be measured, making it accountable. Can’t have that – so lets just have endless talking. If you look at their Union proposals, none of that has anything to do with creating more work and everything to do with a lot more talking.
  
  And as there are so few of them who have ever done manual labour, they appear to conflate “talking” with “working”. Talk is fine, but only as a means to action, not an end unto itself.
  
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  January 31, 2018 11:04am
- MrLovebucket
  
  “Have a conversation”
  
  translates to …
  
  “We’ve already made our mind up but will pretend to have two way communication with you in case you actually end up agreeing with our immovable position. Nothing you say or do will change this fact, no matter how much reason and logic you present”
  
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  January 31, 2018 12:31pm
- KKKKatee
  
  I’m so over the word ‘conversation’. The PM over-uses this word. I actually cringe whenever I see/hear her. In fact, I turn the mute button on during the news when she appears. She appears to speak in tongues. Others may call it gobbledegook.
  I’m not sure she even knows what the hell the message is she’s trying to convey. Painful……
  
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  January 31, 2018 5:36pm
  - RF
    
    Must admit the commie chick is rather difficult to watch on TV.
    
    Her gaunt face with the everpresent pained tortured expressions tends to place emphasis on her very prominent buck teeth. Her speech is garbled and unintelligible.
    
    In addition to the hearing / speech translator we need another just for her.
    
    In our household it’s a race to grab the TV controls when ever she appears.
    
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    January 31, 2018 7:26pm
Manolo

The Dow takes a hit:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/30/us-stock-futures-dow-data-earnings-and-politics-on-the-agenda.html

U.S. stocks traded sharply lower on Tuesday, falling for a second day as the first major sell-off of the new year intensified.

The Dow Jones industrial average dropped 337 points. The 30-stock index was also on track for its biggest one-day point drop since May.
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January 31, 2018 9:32am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Hmm
  
  1) State of the Union
  2) Trump touted to talk about how strong the economy is
  3) With uncannily perfect timing, just hours before Trump’s speech – CNN is bellowing and sneering “Stocks biggest drop since the election”
  
  I wonder if Soros sold a bunch of stocks short just to provide that headline.
  
  Hardly out of the reach of possibility now that we know:
  – Trump is fit
  – he was 30/30 on the cognitive test
  – a whole year and no proof re Russia collusion
  – the polls showing Trump had no path to victory were faked
  – “The Memo” looks certain to start the ball-rolling on proving that Obama suborned FISA process to spy on Trump campaign
  – FBI colluded with the Clinton campaign
  – Top ranks in FBI clearly aligned as “Never Trumpers”
  etc etc
  
  It looks now like you can’t come up with a conspiracy theory outrageous enuf about the dirty democrats before its found to be true!
  
  Hilary’s words to donna Brazille (thank you WikiLeaks) about them all hanging if the dnc doesn’t “fix this shit” and prevent Trump getting elected.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:37pm
cmm

Last night I was driving home from fishing and I thought I’d listen to the radio.

I have not listened to Mz Ardern speak much, but I thought I’d listen to her tribute to Jim Bolger.

I could not last more than 30 seconds. Her elocution is just plain awful: words and sentences running into eachother.

Regardless of political bent, there are two skills that senior politicians (especially PMs) need:
1) Great oratory skills. They are need to be able to speak clearly and confidently. They are called on to speak at times when people need reassurance and confidence boosting (natural disasters, stock market crashes etc) and times requiring dignity (eg. when a soldier gets killed on duty).

2) Tact and diplomacy. They need to know when to shut their mouths and when to use careful language – particularly on the international stage. That is the only way to build trust and mutual respect- especially with people who might not agree with what you say. You can’t gossip about how orange Trump is. You can’t publicly lambaste Australia for their foreign policies.

Cindy fails on these two most basic measures.
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January 31, 2018 9:33am
- itstricky
  
  there are two skills that senior politicians (especially PMs) need:
  Great oratory skills. They are need to be able to speak clearly and confidently.
  
  JK wasn’t any better. In fact, he was probably worse. His lisp, or whatever it was, was pretty obvious.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:40am
  - cmm
    
    JK is a good speaker, but, to prove I’m not a one-eyed Nat supporter, I’d say that Aunty Helen was better.
    
    Both leave Jacinda in the dust.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:51am
    - ztev
      
      JK a speaker ?
      
      hes was a chef delivering word salad.
      “JK: Well you got a number of things wrong.
      I mean firstly.
      The question you’re wondering into cafes and things around the country –
      and basically put, the proposition you’re putting to people is that under the GCSB law ah the government effectively through GCSB will be able to wholesale spy on New Zealanders.
      Factually totally incorrect.
      OK. So the only thing GCSB can do, under the law, which is actually with much greater clarity and far better oversight than the previous law, is 3 things: 1) foreign intelligence gathering. Nothing to with New Zealanders.
      2) It can provide assistance to SIS, defence and police – that’s a narrowing of…
      
      Total jibberish of course
      
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      January 31, 2018 1:20pm
    - Harkman
      
      Key and Clark were experienced and new their own world views. Cindy is just an airhead, she has no clue.
      
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      January 31, 2018 1:27pm
    - oob
      
      ..I’d say that Aunty Helen was better.
      
      Uncle Helen.
      
      The commentariat inhabiting the extremist anti-Kiwi blogs such as TheDailyBlog and The Standard always squeal when they hear this nickname, believing it to be a slight upon Clark’s sexuality.
      
      It isn’t of course. It’s a reference to her alignment with “Uncle Joe” Stalin’s political ideology.
      
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      January 31, 2018 1:34pm
      - Gabby
        
        I hear no squealing boob. Fake snoflake.
        
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        January 31, 2018 3:58pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Yes, and Bill English speaks of poviddy too.
    Why has the letter T become so unfashionable in every day speech?
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:52am
    - Digmen1
      
      Most of us still use the letter T.
      Don’t encourage them!
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:56am
  - Gabby
    
    He only lisped when he was fibbing.
    
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    January 31, 2018 3:55pm
AgentBallSack

All I can assume is National want to lose the next election. 1 loss doesn’t require a sea change. But if they go changing the core componentry of their caucus, I wont bother voting for them. Instead of bending over and supporting Labours bills they should be denying every one of them. Fucking disappointing to see.
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January 31, 2018 9:35am
- UpandComer
  
  They can’t go full angry-Andy on every single bill. Medicinal cannabis (and strictly medicinal) is a lost cause.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:46am
- AgentBallSack
  
  My gripe is, what’s the point of changing the Government in 2.9 years if everything Labour is doing, National SUPPORT? May as well keep Labour there since there is no discernable difference to either party. National aren’t acting like a party in opposition they’re giving their tacit approval, nay blessing to everything the fuckwits suggest. They could be pointing out how useless the coalition is, instead they’re voting in accordance with everything they table. Well when 2019 rolls around and everything is hunky dory in Labour world because nothing they have done has been opposed, they’ll see a new low under Bill English because he’s as useless as tits on a bull. TAKE CHARGE MAN!
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  January 31, 2018 9:51am
  - Manolo
    
    Lets wait for Wayne Mapp, ~~Labour’s~~ National’s voice of reason, to disagree with you. 🙂
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:59am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Manolo è irriverente.
      
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      January 31, 2018 10:21am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, I think the core issue is that your kind of crank and weird views don’t have a captive audience in the body politic of our country .
      
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      January 31, 2018 12:33pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        I think the core issue is that your kind of crank and weird views don’t have a captive audience in the body politic of our country
        
        Yes folks, he really said that.
        
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        January 31, 2018 12:50pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        SB, it’s called the Silent Majority!
        
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        January 31, 2018 2:11pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I have huge respect for Wayne. He was always an intellectual giant in the National caucus! 🙂
      ps: And enormously respected by the chaps under his command when he held very high rank in our armed forces. 🙂
      
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      January 31, 2018 4:34pm
  - Gabby
    
    Nashnill will look pretty stoopid if they oppose the policies Labour stole from them won’t they Ancient Ballbag.
    
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    January 31, 2018 4:01pm
    - softail 1450
      
      grubby , obviously there were some good specials at super liqour man today grubby you old pisshead…
      
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      January 31, 2018 4:03pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Gabby, this is to advise you that I ‘reported’ your 4:01pm comment. Your “Ancient Ballbag” distortion of ABS’s regular non-de-plume is just one of many such deliberate name changes that you slip in each day – very funny in your mind, no doubt, but each intended to insult a contributor who does not deserve that treatment.
      
      DPF’s Kiwiblog ‘Comments Policy’ sets out explicitly his expectations in this context:
      
      “Give other commenters the courtesy of referring to them by the name or alias they use on this blog.”
      
      You choose the opposite of his requirement at every opportunity, and it’s time to make clear that some of us are tired of your insults of fellow-KB contributors. I hope that DPF takes appropriate action to pull your comments into line with his explicit policy guideline.
      
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      January 31, 2018 7:31pm
      - GoVege
        
        Tell-tale, Calendar Girl!
        I couldn’t care less when I am referred to as “vegetable” or whatever.
        And I’m a sensitive vegequarian. ……. 🙂
        
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        January 31, 2018 8:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But GoVege, you offer opinions, a different point-of-view, anecdotes, real life experience and hence you contribute to the Debate.
        
        Gabby doesn’t.
        I’m over the crap point-scoring some folks indulge in. It’s just soooooo boring.
        Is it a Male display thing?
        Thanks for your support calendar girl in days past.
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:31pm
Manolo

This bastard Moore should be deported to North Korea or Somalia:
https://www.infowars.com/michael-moore-america-must-be-cleansed-of-its-white-male-privilege/

Far-left film maker Michael Moore called for America to be “cleansed” of its “white male privilege” during a speech in New York last night.

Moore was giving an address at the ‘People’s State of the Union’ event in Manhattan, which was derided by its critics as having nothing to do with “the people” and everything to do with mega-rich celebrities lecturing Americans about how to think and vote.
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January 31, 2018 9:43am
- G152
  
  He should demonstrate his faith in such a move by being the first to go.
  And he may not find the workers paradise quite as fun as the US
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:57am
- Rich Prick
  
  Typical socialist. What’s the bet he won’t start with himself, it’ll be that other “white male privilege” he despises so much. The Republican kind.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:58am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , didn’t you know that he is protected ( like Alex Jones ) by the 2nd Amendment .
  
  https://www.aclu.org/united-states-bill-rights-first-10-amendments-constitution
  
  I see that like the President and you apparently have the ear of a lunatic in Alex Jones .
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:59am
- Inandout
  
  Michael Moore, a gross example of junk food ingestion.
  
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  January 31, 2018 10:04am
  - stephieboy
    
    And Alex Jones ?
    
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    January 31, 2018 10:07am
Manolo

Our own stephieboy is getting a bit “panicky”:
http://thehill.com/opinion/finance/371349-democrats-panic-over-avalanche-of-good-economic-news

Why does it matter? Because, as The New York Times noted in a rare piece crediting President Trump’s tax breaks and deregulatory policies with the upturn in business optimism: “Investment in new plants, equipment and factory upgrades … bolsters economic growth, spurs job creation — and may finally raise wages significantly.”
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January 31, 2018 9:49am
- MrLovebucket
  
  But.. but.. but.. Capitalism has failed!
  
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  January 31, 2018 12:25pm
  - ztev
    
    “Capitalism has failed when it fails to provide housing for the people.”
    So the Government will step in.
    
    Just like national stepped in on the UFB project to provide $millions to make it happen. And can take credit for it.
    
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    January 31, 2018 1:23pm
stephieboy

“Croatian trophy hunter killed as he stalked lions in Africa”

Police are investigating the death of 75-year-old big game hunter Pero Jelinic who was struck by a bullet while hunting captive bred lions in South Africa.
The trophy hunter from Croatia had already shot one lion dead and had another in his sights when he was shot at a remote lodge near Setlagole, Total Croatia News reported.
In South Africa, the highly-controversial sport of killing captive-bred lions, commonly known as “canned hunting”, is legal but recently came under fire from reputable international and African hunting organisations.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/101023691/croatian-trophy-hunter-killed-as-he-stalked-lions-in-africa
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January 31, 2018 9:55am
- Digmen1
  
  I’d like to have shot him.
  He should have come here and shot some possums or rabbits!
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    I agree for once .
    
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    January 31, 2018 10:06am
- trout
  
  American hunters pay big bucks to shoot ‘canned’ deer in NZ. Stags are bred and reared to have good antler racks, released into enclosed reserves and ‘stalked’ ( with the help of locator implants) and shot by client with ‘guide’ at his shoulder.
  
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  January 31, 2018 12:55pm
  - ztev
    
    Those sort of people are Trumps golf buddies- like him they cheat at everyting
    
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    January 31, 2018 1:25pm
  - RF
    
    I knew of farmer who was breeding trophy stags both red & fallow.
    
    For a substantial fee he arranged for wealthy elderly overseas clients to shoot one in the yards close to the farm house.
    
    The shot animal was then positioned in front of a small backdrop of bush next to the yards so it can be photographed with the proud mighty hunter holding his rifle.
    
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    January 31, 2018 7:54pm
- softail 1450
  
  streppieboy,JFO
  
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  January 31, 2018 4:05pm
- Gabby
  
  Came under fire. Indeed.
  
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  January 31, 2018 4:23pm
cmm

Why do all the Lefties love talking rather than actually DOING stuff?

All Cindy wants to do is have bloody conversations.

Those vegans that demonstrated in the restaurant would have achieved more if they had actually done something for animals… Perhaps trying to give CPR to road kill.

But no, all they do is talk and protest demanding that other people actually do stuff they want done.

Basically entitled kids that confuse throwing a paddy with actually making stuff.
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January 31, 2018 10:03am
VicParking

Kate Hawkesby Has come out in the failing newspaper with some Royalty bashing.
“I have a thing about Meghan Markle. I don’t trust her. It’s a theory based on nothing more than gut instinct. It’s the vibe, it’s Mabo” In other words just her view. But wait next she says “Let’s look at the evidence.” . A failed marriage? Katy dear what about youf affair and failed marriage. Last least she moved up but you marrying Mike Hosking slid into the gutter.
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January 31, 2018 10:15am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Was that the affair that wasn’t an affair that coincided with the breakdown of her marriage.
  
  And would that be the Mike Hosking who spent $$$ in legal fees over his family’s right to privacy, only to witter on endlessly about the kids and the missus and to appear on the cover of every women’s magazine with repeated monotony.
  
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  January 31, 2018 10:57am
- waikatogirl
  
  It’s do as I say, not as I do Vic.
  
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  January 31, 2018 11:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It was an extraordinary article to be running in the premier newspaper of the nation.
  
  I won’t have to buy my NZWoman’s Weekly, NZ Woman’s Day, and Next magazines this week as I’ve had my dose of royal tit-bittery and celebrity bitchiness.
  
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  January 31, 2018 11:42am
- Inandout
  
  ‘The sacked newsreader John Hawkesby says he and his family have been through a living hell during the legal battle over his $6.5 million payout from state broadcaster Television New Zealand.
  But he stayed with it because he wanted vindication, not money’.
  
  There is always a reason to get close to the Hawkesby clan.
  
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  January 31, 2018 1:10pm
- Gabby
  
  VicBarking you big old goss queen, whaddelse is happnin girlfreean?
  
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  January 31, 2018 4:27pm
- GoVege
  
  If Kate Hawkesby doesn’t like her, then she must be OK! 🙂
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:59pm
wreck1080

Uhhh, tourists playing twister pub game get arrested for producing pornography?

Cambodia is a miserable corrupt little country.

I bet the only reason they are facing trial is because they refused to pay the requested bribe.
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January 31, 2018 10:16am
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Late October Winston Peters made it clear the can – kicking Tories had to go … thankfully …

No surprise over National’s rumblings | Tracy Watkins OPINION | Stuff.co.nz

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101030919/no-surprise-over-nationals-rumblings

OPINION: Rumblings in National over its election defeat are about as predictable as day following night.

While the rest of us baked in the summer sun its MPs have been experiencing the various stages of grief over the loss, including shock, anger, denial and – among some at least – acceptance.

The phones have also been ringing as MPs started to talk about what would happen if Bill English decided to step down as leader. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Check out the GONE GONE GOING ( now GONE ) section …

http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
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January 31, 2018 10:24am
- flipper
  
  Well it had to happen I guess. The idiot soggy Pavlova is back. Will someone in Christchurch please give him what he deserves – really hard arse kick to send him on his way along with the other dickheads?
  And Mr soggy Pavlova … your weird and wonderful house building scheme is now 2660+ in arrears.
  Link us to a solution that you will personally underwrite.
  
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  January 31, 2018 1:05pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    The National Party is now a sick joke. As a Tory myself, it saddens me to say that.
    
    Indeed it is so bad, the silly Nats think Lawrence Yule, the deadbeat from local government, is ‘new blood’ !
    
    Lawrence Yule is the guy who ‘presided’ over this disaster …
    
    Poll shows local government has a reputation problem | The National Business Review
    
    https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/poll-shows-local-government-has-reputation-problem-b-172979
    
    While the failed National President of Local Government New Zealand, why did Lawrence Yule hide the subsequent polls in 2015, 2016 and 2017 by Colmar Brunton / LGNZ of public satisfaction with local government … which I understand got progressively worse ?
    
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    January 31, 2018 4:36pm
    - Johnboy
      
      If you’re a Tory Huge old chap you’re almost 180 degrees out on longitude mate! 🙂
      
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      January 31, 2018 4:40pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        JB, I think what he’s trying to say is: “some of my best friends are Asian.”
        
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        January 31, 2018 4:42pm
      - Johnboy
        
        That’s fair enough then tdm. My best friend and half my family are Murri’s mate! 🙂
        
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        January 31, 2018 4:46pm
stigie

Geez, you would be great at a party Hugh..?
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January 31, 2018 11:44am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  Not much fun for residential property investors this year, according to the latest predictions from the Property Institute | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91848/not-much-fun-residential-property-investors-year-according-latest-predictions
  
  The Property Institute believes more residential property investors are likely to cash up and exit the market this year, with the houses they sell likely to be bought by owner-occupiers. … read more via hyperlink above …
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  Homes with no heart: Why is NZ’s rental market all about making money? | Kristen Joiner OPINION | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/100995244/homes-with-no-heart-why-is-nzs-rental-market-all-about-making-money
  
  OPINION: There’s a mad race going on in the beach city of Tauranga. And everybody’s doing it.
  
  Tim’s doing it. Josh is doing it too. A whole bunch of absentee Aucklanders and overseas Kiwis are doing it. Carmen quit her job as a teacher to do it in numerous places. Jennifer’s hired someone to do it for her in her houses on the beach. And Kristin’s started a company to do it for as many Auckland-based and overseas Kiwis as she can.
  
  The goal? Buy as much property as you possibly can, as fast as you can. If you win, you make a massive amount of money off of someone else’s need for a home or a holiday. If you lose, well, you may not be able to find a home, let alone go on vacation.
  
  When my Kiwi husband got a venture investment job in Tauranga, I was thrilled about the idea of moving to New Zealand. I love the egalitarian history of this country, the progressive politics, and the beautiful outdoorsy culture. I couldn’t wait for our kids to experience life here.
  
  I was completely unprepared for the shock of the housing culture. And I’m coming from San Francisco, so that’s saying something. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  Affordable housing fears could hit supply of teachers – NZ Herald
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11980654
  
  Fears are growing that young teachers may be put off shifting to Tauranga because of its reputation for unaffordable housing. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  How Phil Twyford plans to address the renting crisis … Stuff / Fairfax NZ
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/100973455/how-phil-twyford-wants-to-fix-the-renting-crisis
  
  New Housing Minister Phil Twyford has several plans to make life easier for renters, but has ruled out rent controls.
  
  Instead the new minister is clear that in his view the only way to seriously keep rents in check is to greatly increase supply.
  
  But that doesn’t mean he wants the Government to stay out of the equation: he thinks it has a serious role to play in both increasing supply and softening the rough edges of the private market. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  demographia – Google Search
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=demographia&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwif563gjP_YAhXHUbwKHRI7B2wQ_AUICigB&biw=960&bih=408
  
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  January 31, 2018 11:49am
- thedavincimode
  
  stigie, it would be like watching the redbladder ‘work the room’. Shuffles over to a group having fun, tries to snivel into the group as if he’s been part of it all along and then …. poof! … everyone evaporates to various parts of the room thinking: “good grief, who is that guy?”
  
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  January 31, 2018 4:08pm
waikatogirl

The media are hyping up speculation that Bill English will announce his retirement from leadership of the National party. Many of the msm are making pronouncements in their speculation, and then Vance has the gaul to state that “nothing has been announced by National on the leadership but the state of National leadership is looking pretty messy”.

Bill’s speech is at 5pm tonight.
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January 31, 2018 12:06pm
- Prince
  
  Would that be the Andrea Vance who scooped that Paula Bennett was a no show at the education select committee today.
  Oohhhh, must be a coup underway…..
  Except Bennett isn’t on that committee !
  
  What a fool Vance is.
  
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  January 31, 2018 6:56pm
Gravelroad

The awful Barry Soper was just on socialisttalkzb sowing the seeds for getting rid of Bill.
He said that people had to remember that come the next election The Prime Minister would have a toddler at her feet and that would be very difficult to compete with (or words to that affect).
Really??? I didn’t realise that having a toddler at your feet while at work was such a positive draw card.
Disappointing if future voters are going to be that easily influenced by something so irrelevant to the bigger picture.
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January 31, 2018 12:22pm
- waikatogirl
  
  TV1 was pushing the “generational change”. Bill and National are old and fusty but the coaltion is run by Cindy and she has a baby!
  
  Really? I prefer extensive experience and life skills to run a country. Stay the course Bill.
  
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  January 31, 2018 12:35pm
  - Jack5
    
    That’s interesting, Waikatogirl.
    
    TV1 needs to look at what’s old and fusty about itself in the free-to-air glasshouse before it throws stones at National.
    
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    January 31, 2018 1:52pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      What else would you expect from Andrea Vance!
      
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      January 31, 2018 2:15pm
      - Jack5
        
        Unlike a certain Possum, Bill must have blocked her phone calls.
        
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        January 31, 2018 2:45pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Ms Vance is the latest pronouncing poverty, on-screen, as ‘poverdee’. And I think that she may be Scottish or similar!
        
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        January 31, 2018 8:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I think that she may be Scottish or similar!
        
        Oh calendar girl
        what a shocking thing to say.
        
        She’s Northern Irish
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11921190
        Scots speak with a mellifuous lilt
        Northern Oirish don’t… They exhibit the ghastly t-voicing. (pronounce t as a d when between vowels….Budder, cidy, poverdy)
        
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        January 31, 2018 9:51pm
- alex Masterley
  
  When is Soper going to leave Newstalk? Leighton and Larry are off. He may as well join them.
  
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  January 31, 2018 1:37pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Leighton and the Lackwit are off?
    
    !!!!!???!??!?!?!?
    
    https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/ariconfuseddancing.gif
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:12pm
- Paulus
  
  I expect that by the next election the sight of Cindy’s baby with another one the way will sicken many women who would have had guts full of babies and the collapsed economy for which they are paying.
  Remember it is the women who elected both her and Peters.
  
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  January 31, 2018 2:01pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    This woman didn’t! Saw through her straight from the get-go!
    Ditto Peters!
    
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    January 31, 2018 5:44pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Same here KKKKatee. What a load of crap some men talk! Some of us girlies are quite astute and not sucked in so easily. ?
      
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      January 31, 2018 6:52pm
cmm

The Department of Corrections is called that because it “corrects” people for introduction back into society.

It is not called Department of Punishment.

So why do people get consideration for reduced sentences because of a tough upbringing?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/101018395/mother-of-five-jailed-for-dealing-methamphetamine

Sweetie, you’re going to prison. While you are in prison you will have the opportunity to learn how to be a nice person. If you use that precious opportunity you can turn your life around.

Giving a reduced sentence to someone because of a tough childhood is just denying corrective training to the people who needs it most.
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January 31, 2018 12:23pm
big bruv

cmm

If only that mother of five had been a rugby player.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/100992395/professional-rugby-player-says-assault-conviction-could-hurt-his-career
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January 31, 2018 12:35pm
- Nookin
  
  It is not the fact of a conviction that should have an effect on his career. It should be the fact that he spontaneously chased after somebody who was really doing him no harm in order to beat the crap out of him that should hurt his career.
  
  We just need one judge to tell one of these highflyers that society does not actually want thugs representing them in sport any longer. That will get the message home. Maybe they will think about it before clenching their fists in the future.
  
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  January 31, 2018 1:12pm
- MCos
  
  An interesting story from 18 months ago
  https://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/06/us/sexual-assault-brock-turner-stanford/index.html
  
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  January 31, 2018 5:49pm
big bruv

It’s not as if there is not a history of Rugby players getting away with vicious crimes.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11717666
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January 31, 2018 12:37pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  Thank you for providing the link to that NZ Herald story. I studied the link and noted that 14 of the 15 had names suggesting either Polynesian or Maori descent. Stephen Bachop was the only one with a wholly European name. I think that suggests an ugly trend, and anybody that agrees with me must be raceist.
  
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  January 31, 2018 2:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Stephen Bachop is of Samoan,Tahitian and Cook Islands Heritage.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Bachop
    
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    January 31, 2018 2:55pm
Fletch

INFLATION.

I went into a dairy just recently, and the latest copy of 2000 AD comic was there. The price was $12.80! I looked really close to make sure. I’m not sure if these ‘progs’ come out every week like they used to, but it didn’t look any thicker than the weekly comic I remember paying 60c for.
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January 31, 2018 1:00pm
Digmen1

Don’t go Bill
You nearly won the elcetion on your own
Just Ardern Up and take it to Labour
But maybe wait till the polls show a downward trend.
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January 31, 2018 1:26pm
Jack5

Cryptopia, the New Zealand exchange where you can switch dollars in and out of cryptocurrencies, seems to have run into problems getting banks to work with it.

Cryptopia says this on its web site in answer to a query from a customer concerned about delay:

Unfortunately, our current bank has notified us that they intend to close our NZDT account on 9 February. Due to this, we are announcing an immediate halt to NZDT deposits from COB today and we are asking all customers to cease sending NZD deposits to our NZDT account.

We will continue to send withdrawals up until the 9th of February if you wish to withdraw your NZDT balance. We will also place a significant sell wall on the BTC/NZDT market at a very competitive market rate to enable any users currently holding NZDT to be able to convert this to BTC at the best rates available in NZ.

Due to the extremely short notice from the bank (and little opportunity to present our case and provide compliance documentation to demonstrate our commitment to the applicable regulations), we believe this is the best course of action to protect our users.

While we are working hard to secure alternative banking services, we have to prepare for the possibility that there may be a period of time between this closure and being able to provide these services again in future.

https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Forum/Thread/7010
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January 31, 2018 1:48pm
Digmen1

Yes its about time this stupid fad went away.
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January 31, 2018 1:55pm
- Andrei
  
  Yes its about time this stupid ~~fad~~ scam went away.
  
  I think the bubble is bursting BTC is sub $10,000 US and falling and the whales who have been “pumping and dumping” are about to do a runner with the mugs real dollars
  
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  January 31, 2018 1:59pm
wiseowl

The banks have already done this before in NZ.
Bitcoin is here to stay but the banks don’t like it because it is going to stuff them eventually.
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January 31, 2018 2:34pm
- Jack5
  
  Well I suppose then, that if the banks think cryptocurrencies will stuff traditional banking, their response is: “We’ll stuff them first”.
  
  Cryptocurrency is pretty much useless unless you can get it exchanged into real cash.
  
  Try using cryptocurrency to pay your power bill or your rates or to buy a house or a car or a farm.
  
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  January 31, 2018 2:41pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Try buying some in a hurry.
    Eg if you have been scammed by a crypto locker virus.
    
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    January 31, 2018 3:23pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/west-coast/101024478/pike-river-recovery-agency-launching-in-greymouth
Attenshun! Winston Peters marching down the mine…..Nup…got to sort other stuff out! 🙂
Attenshun! Little Andy marching down the mine…Nup…Got to work on new image as a real MP! 🙂
Attenshun! Phil Twyford marching down the mine..Nup…Got to build lots of houses. 🙂
Attenshun! Shane Jones marching down the mine…Nup…got to plant future pit props. 🙂
Attenshun! Pregnant PM marching down the mine…Nup…read the speech. 🙂
Major General Dave marching down the mine…Left right left right…..oh shit! 🙂
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January 31, 2018 2:47pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  Our friend Chuck Bird has the situation under control:
  
  Winston has the balls to make the offer [to be the first to re-enter the Pike River mine]. Does Bill English have the balls to call his bluff? If is not bluff. I would happily join him.
  
  December 13, 2016 3:08pm
  
  Edit: one person who thinks Chuck doesn’t have balls has (by downticking) registered his or her presence!
  
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  January 31, 2018 4:15pm
rangitoto

So TNZ appoint a comedian to front a current affairs show.
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January 31, 2018 2:58pm
- Johnboy
  
  Hilarity’s going to train him! 🙂
  Besides no one with more than half a brain watches TV1 anyway so WTF? 🙂
  Except for Lotto! 🙂
  
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  January 31, 2018 3:00pm
- thedavincimode
  
  So TNZ appoint a comedian to front a current affairs show.
  
  You’re not getting this joke are you?
  
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  January 31, 2018 3:09pm
  - sooty
    
    Who was the comedian that was fiddling with his daughter?
    
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    January 31, 2018 5:33pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Not him.
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:17pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Yes, I read that. Not very inspiring. It seems that TVNZ have resorted to scraping the bottom of the barrel for ‘talent’. Ho-Hum. Won’t be watching Seven Sharp or whatever they’ll call it. Barry is enough to do my head in and Jeremy Wells – he’s so yesterday…….
  
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  January 31, 2018 5:48pm
GazzaW

Parliamentary Question Time just completed and the Deputy PM who was standing in for Jacinda removed any doubts whatsoever that he is a total buffoon. I sense that despite his obvious bias that the Speaker will have considerable difficulty in keeping his cool for the minimum period of six weeks when Peters fills in for the PM.

There were some other little gems today. Both Robbo and Mahuta were caught out telling porkies (expect Robbo’s to go further) and Kelvin ‘bottled’ it and failed to front to answer Amy Adams’ questions.

Willie Jackson is worth observing when he’s inadvertantly on camera. He should be the Minister of Tweeting.
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January 31, 2018 3:03pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Probably asking his good mate Matt McCarten what he should say!
  
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  January 31, 2018 5:32pm
Jack5

With Jeremy Wells being appointed a co-host of TVNZ’s Seven Sharp (with Hilary Barry), an old Whale piece on the man Whale calls a Leftist hero is interesting:

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/05/jeremy-wells-the-private-school-princess/
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January 31, 2018 3:25pm
- Flash
  
  I never found Wells and his off-sider funny. Too self satisfied for my taste.
  But I have happily abstained from TV since before the election, so what TV1 does with its programming is of little interest to me.
  
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  January 31, 2018 7:19pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Maybe it’s because you’re a witless potato.
    
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    January 31, 2018 11:05pm
dime

watching the state of the union..

favourite phrase so far – “beautiful clean coal” HAHAHA
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January 31, 2018 3:37pm
- mikenmild
  
  One could probably make a drinking game with the oxymorons in any Trump speech.
  
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  January 31, 2018 3:56pm
  - dime
    
    funnier to drink everytime a leftist loses his shit at the speech. die can drink a lot but id be dead by now.
    
    nancy’s face is not happy haha
    
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    January 31, 2018 3:59pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Nancy Pelosi is a “lefty”? How so?
      
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      January 31, 2018 6:12pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      To suggest that nancy had a face like a busted arsehole would be doing a grave disservice to busted arseholes all over the world. she looked like she was chewing a dog dump. Very funny
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:05pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Like “loyal opposition” maybe, or “Americans are Dreamers too…”
    
    Funny how the Democrat Party just can’t accept the results of an election, and have engaged on the first clear step to a civil war by refusing to acknowledge the election results.
    
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    January 31, 2018 4:50pm
    - MCos
      
      As I recall it was Trump that couldn’t accept the results of the election, even though he won.
      
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      January 31, 2018 5:29pm
      - Morrissey
        
        He didn’t win. He got three million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton. Republican gerrymandering and massive disenfranchisement of black and Latino voters got Trump in.
        
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        January 31, 2018 6:14pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Bollocks Morrissey he got in because he won the election under the US system. Just like our little pony got in by winning under our dodgy electoral system. You cant have it both ways old chap! 🙂
        
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        January 31, 2018 6:59pm
      - Sponge
        
        Fuck you say some stupid things Morrissey!
        
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        January 31, 2018 8:14pm
dime

so a week after Trump announces tarrifs on solar panels.. one of the biggest suppliers from china announces they will build a plant in the US.

obviously obama did this and its just timing.
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January 31, 2018 4:01pm
- thedavincimode
  
  As I recall, the kenyan just pissed money away to his mates on some bullshit solar gig.
  
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  January 31, 2018 4:12pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    oops, looks like he’s back from hanging around the school bus stop …
    
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    January 31, 2018 4:18pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Gave $500M loan guarantees to company, company goes broke not long after, owners (Democrat donors surprise surprise) walk away and let Feds pick up the losses via the loan guarantee while they extract their stake (minus the donations to various Dem groups).
    
    How could you criticize that ? Just crony capitalism in action courtesy of “the most transparent administration EVAH”
    
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    January 31, 2018 4:44pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Was that Sunviva?
      http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/20/solar-company-gets-25-million-in-taxpayer-subsidies-goes-bankrupt/
      or Sungiva?
      http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/15/another-solar-company-goes-bankrupt/
      orBeamreach?
      https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/beamreach-bankrupt-despite-250-million-spent-on-solar-hardware-development#gs.mpsb99s
      or SunEdison?
      https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sunedison-inc-bankruptcy/solar-developer-sunedison-in-bankruptcy-as-aggressive-growth-plan-unravels-idUSKCN0XI1TC
      
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      January 31, 2018 6:15pm
Digmen1

I really enjoyed Trump’s speech live on Al Jazeera.

Great to see Nancy squirming and all the cheers and clapping he got.

I predicted he would win two years ago.
And now he really is making America great again.

When you think that Obama had 8 years and really only achieved his Obama care.

Trump has done more in one year.
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January 31, 2018 4:51pm
big bruv

“When you think that Obama had 8 years and really only achieved his Obama care.”

That is most unfair. Obama also managed to almost double the national debt from 11 Trillion to 21 Trillion. That takes some serious effort.
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January 31, 2018 5:00pm
- Johnboy
  
  He must have pissed money to America’s “Special People” almost as fast as Finlayson has to ours! 🙂
  
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  January 31, 2018 5:11pm
fernglas

“The worker who scared Hawaiians and tourists into thinking they were about to die had confused real-life events and drills before and colleagues weren’t comfortable working with him in any role, US officials say.

Hawaii’s emergency management leader has resigned and the state employee who sent the alert falsely warning of an incoming ballistic missile has been fired. A report into the debacle stated that when told to send a cancel message for the alert he had just sent, the “confused” employee “just sat there and didn’t respond”.”

So Trump has made at least some appointments.
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January 31, 2018 5:33pm
- MH
  
  reports of Japanese Imperial planes flying towards Hawaii have also been dismissed as fanciful.
  
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  January 31, 2018 5:51pm
Johnboy

I had to re post this comment from the medical cannabis thread cause none of the druggies that have commented there have addressed it.
Truth hurts I guess.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/dennis-peron-a-california-activist-and-father-of-medical-marijuana-died-at-72/2018/01/29/304c9474-050e-11e8-8777-2a059f168dd2_story.html?utm_term=.ac235a9d4a75
I hope it relieved the pain of his disease that it caused!
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January 31, 2018 5:40pm
- nasska
  
  Then again it could have been the tobacco in the cigarettes he chain-smoked which gave him the cancer:
  
  …..” Peron, a white-haired 50-something figure who’s always in motion, is lighting up one cigarette after another as he answers an endless procession of phone calls.”…..
  
  Never let a fact get in the way of a good prejudice! 🙂
  
  http://pdr.autono.net/DennisPeron.html
  
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  January 31, 2018 6:22pm
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    Never let your lack of knowledge of what he filled his fags with taint your particular prejudice nasska! 🙂
    
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    January 31, 2018 6:25pm
Morrissey

DOOMED.

“No one’s going to ‘Kill Bill’. … There’s a LOT of talent in the National Party…. Amy Adams, she’s VERY bright…”—Michelle Boag, on The Panel, RNZ National, 4:20 p.m.

“Yeah, I’m feeling great! Ummmm….”—-Paula Bennett, News, RNZ National, 5 p.m.

“I’m right behind Bill and Paula, at the moment….” —National Party M.P. (female), 5:10 p.m..

“Who knows where the future goes? All I’m saying is I want Bill as leader.”—-Paula Bennett, 5:12 p.m.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/walking-dead-zombie-crowd.png
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January 31, 2018 5:41pm
- Morrissey
  
  One zombie pushed the button one second after I posted. Well done!
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zombie#/media/File:Zombies_NightoftheLivingDead.jpg
  
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  January 31, 2018 5:44pm
  - Morrissey
    
    THREE zombies! This is like Dawn of the f**king DEAD!!!
    
    “Send more COPS!”
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLSL8E-FLrQ
    
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    January 31, 2018 5:45pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Face it, downtickers: the Double Dipper and the Snitch are gone-burgers.
      
      I saw this coming a long time ago, I must say. Back in December 2016, I wrote the following…
      
      The most devastating dismissal of Bill English came from Helen Clark on 23 May 2002, following a disastrously inept speech by the double dipper during the Budget Debate. The chamber was waiting for her to deliver the coup de grâce and, with an exquisite sense of timing, she obliged:
      
      “The leader of the Opposition is looking forward to an election like a turkey looks forward to Christmas.”
      
      http://www.vdig.net/hansard/content.jsp?id=94034
      
      What Hansard fails to record is the absolute thunderstorm of hilarity and derision of Bill English that followed those words. That speech more than any other showed that English was finished.
      
      Yet the National caucus, in its infinite wisdom, has brought the zombie back to the table.
      
      Let the hilarity ensue….
      
      https://thestandard.org.nz/bill-english-to-be-elected-as-national-leader/#comment-1272467
      
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      January 31, 2018 6:01pm
  - GazzaW
    
    That gives you an indication of the very high esteem in which we hold you and your comments Morrissey. Keep up the good work.
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:13pm
    - Morrissey
      
      No, it gives us all an indication of how loyal and unquestioning the National Party’s core support base is. Hell, when instructed, they even voted for this creep….
      
      https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KBZpBJhW6g4/WZ6s1NVYTVI/AAAAAAAALqQ/BzPalgGWRkI5NlW8DRoBwtQSTjkZaD6aQCLcBGAs/s1600/John%2BBanks%2BAsshole.jpg
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:33pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Morrissey @ 5:44pm – Why did he take so long?
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:48pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Oh, very good, calendar girl!
      
      Uh, …. calendar girl? Uh, you may or may not be aware that we here at Daisycutter Sports Inc. like to throw the occasional soirée, and we would love to have a calendar girls like yourself at the next one.
      
      Do you live near Northcote Point?
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:17pm
- Johnboy
  
  In the meantime. No one in the COL will admit who will be Jacinda’s baby’s godfather. Some fingers are pointing to the only chap who is known to own several pinstriped suits! 🙂
  
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  January 31, 2018 5:46pm
  - MCos
    
    You’re wondering who the Gayford baby’s god parents are going to be, if any?
    Kiwiblog is a bit silly at times, but really . . . .
    
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    January 31, 2018 5:59pm
MH

Due to the closeness of the moon tonight, dairy farmers are advised to keep their cows locked in their sheds to avoid them jumping about and escaping to parts unknown.
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January 31, 2018 5:48pm
- Morrissey
  
  Dairy farmers are a disgrace. How do we report them for leaving their cows in the hot sun all day, with not a smidgeon of shade?
  
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  January 31, 2018 5:51pm
Morrissey

Speaking of zombies: this old ghoul doesn’t only cheat on his wife…

https://deadspin.com/lpgaer-and-frequent-trump-golf-partner-he-cheats-like-1822546678
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January 31, 2018 5:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hey Morrissey
  
  Why don’t you grapple with this and go off and have a think about it for 10 years?
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/30/hillary-clinton-sexual-harassment-allegation-burns-strider
  
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  January 31, 2018 6:28pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Maggy, you seem to be of the opinion that I am a supporter of Hillary Clinton. What ever gave you that idea?
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:20pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I don’t think that.
      Why do you think I did think that?
      
      I just thought that you could emulate Hillary’s behaviour and think about gropers for the next 10 years before assailing us with your findings.
      
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      January 31, 2018 10:02pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Got it. Thanks Maggy.
        
        (By the way, look out for the next instalment of Gropers—today!)
        
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        February 1, 2018 8:41am
Manolo

Good on President Trump. I expect our DPF to give him a harsh review. 😀
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/30/trump-learning-govern-heart-unity/1080622001/
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January 31, 2018 6:03pm
- Morrissey
  
  What is it you admire in him? His deep learning? His wisdom? His way with women? His athleticism? His compassion?
  
  What is it?
  
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  January 31, 2018 6:10pm
  - Digmen1
    
    His style
    The way he give speeches
    The way he gets things done
    The fact that he is not a democrat
    That he is standing up for America
    That he has a hot wife
    That he probably has more hair than you and I combined
    The word needs more leaders like him
    
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    January 31, 2018 6:28pm
    - Morrissey
      
      His style
      The way he give speeches…
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blpe_sGnnP4
      
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      January 31, 2018 8:30pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”What is it you admire in him?”…..
    
    He’s not Hillary Clinton……that’s enough.
    
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    January 31, 2018 6:44pm
    - Digmen1
      
      And he beat Hilary Clinton, when probably no other Republican would have.
      
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      January 31, 2018 7:14pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Morrissey – you wouldn’t understand.
    
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    January 31, 2018 7:44pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Really Don? What deep aspects of knowledge have I missed out on that have been accessed by the genius level individuals that support President Savile?
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:22pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        What deep aspects of knowledge have I missed out on?
        Intelligence, humanity, compassion, and the ability of critically thinking are a couple that come to mind.
        Your turn.
        
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        January 31, 2018 10:40pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Ha ha ha ha! Good one, Ballsache.
        
        POINT TO PONDER:
        
        Your phrase “the ability of critically thinking” is ungrammatical as well as clumsy and inelegant, therefore it is nonsense.
        
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        February 1, 2018 8:38am
Manolo

The rest-home awaits:
https://news.grabien.com/story-pelosi-frowns-when-trump-calls-summon-unity-we-need-deliver
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January 31, 2018 6:05pm
Johnboy

Hoorah. The hundred day plan has come and gone and the Nats still get the most support.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/101031232/live-politics-goes-into-overdrive
I suspect the five year plan will be next! 🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_five-year_plan
Socialists….the gift that keeps shitting in their own nest! 🙂
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January 31, 2018 6:21pm
- Prince
  
  No matter what the media say, no matter what they do….
  
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  January 31, 2018 6:41pm
Longknives

Over at The Standard they are literally crowing over Bill English’s apparent pending demise.
*Personally I think Bill has done an outstanding job but the Nats could use some fresh blood/new faces to compete with ‘Jacindababymania’ (or whatever the hell it is called)

Anyway- Check out the ‘Kill Bill’ pic where they have shopped Ardern’s face onto Uma Thurman’s body in the famous Movie Poster.
Could they have photoshopped their beloved ‘People’s Princess’ any more? It’s definitely her eyes but Christ knows where they got that face and those perfect teeth from..
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January 31, 2018 6:23pm
- Johnboy
  
  Helens old election poster? 🙂
  
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  January 31, 2018 6:26pm
  - oob
    
    Hahahaha! Touche! Touche!
    
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    January 31, 2018 7:27pm
AgentBallSack

No State Of The Union post? Jesus DPF must really fucking hate Trump. I bet if Hillary was in power there would be a whole arselicking thread dedicated to it.

Some interesting stats in favour of Trumps speech:
Republicans: 97%
Independent: 72%
Democrat: 47%
(source CBS, CNN polls back this up)

Vs. Previous Presidents overall Favourability:
Trump 48%
Obama 48%
Bush 48%

And these are left wing pollsters. Numbers probably higher.

Memo regarding Democrat interference into election being released in the next couple of days. Democrat Party essentially fucked now.

Muh Globalism.
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January 31, 2018 6:30pm
- Manolo
  
  DPF is a sworn member of the ABT club. 🙂
  
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  January 31, 2018 7:58pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    I just watched the almost 2 hour speech end to end, Great stuff. Perhaps DPF did and his head exploded. And we get the shitty rabble that is the COL, fuck my life.
    What a great oration from a small IQ, literally Hitler clone. Fuck New Zealand and the provincial small minded cunts who live here.
    #MNZGA
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:51pm
big bruv

RIP the great Pat Booth.
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January 31, 2018 6:33pm
- Morrissey
  
  A great man, and an inspiration for those that followed in his footsteps, like Nicky Hager and John Stephenson.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:24pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Quiet night at Chez Hypocrisy tonight Mossy??
    
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    January 31, 2018 8:39pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Hypocrisy? How so?
      
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      January 31, 2018 9:30pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Well chap, the form of Chardonnay socialism you expound around here ain’t exactly authentic is it…
        
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        January 31, 2018 10:19pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Chardonnay? I love it!
        
        Is that…. wrong?
        
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        February 1, 2018 8:36am
rightoverlabour

Does anybody understand David Parker’s logic around foreign housing sales? He was on the radio and he sounds like a moron. (Do you have to be a special kind of stupid to be a Labour MP?)
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January 31, 2018 6:54pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Do you have to be a special kind of stupid to be a Labour MP?
  YES!
  
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  January 31, 2018 7:07pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    ABS, has it in one!
    
    Total lack of any ability to think critically
    
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    January 31, 2018 7:32pm
- GazzaW
  
  I was waiting for Larry to destroy Parker in one hit just as he did to Cunliffe over CGT prior to the 2014 election.
  
  That decision by Labour could well prove to be a watershed. The implications for foreign investment and the Auckland housing market could be massive.
  
  Watch this space.
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:23pm
Don the Kiwi

Trump’s State of the Union address was excellent – even his appealing to the sour-faced and non-clapping, non-standing Dems was well done.
What a bunch of losers those Dems are – even the things that Trump announced was in favour of Dem. policy, they, mostly, sat poker faced and inconsolable – the arseholes will get what they deserve.

Donald Trump – making America Great Again, and helping the world as well. 🙂
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January 31, 2018 7:50pm
- Inandout
  
  The polls are way out there in favour of that speech, and the Dems look like the losers they are. Snowflakes are showing how fleeting they really are and hopefully will become a distant memory as the US charges forward with economic reforms. The Dems are so Trump fixated they couldn’t even applaud falling unemployment among their chosen races; a truly sad and pathetic Party.
  
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  January 31, 2018 7:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh looky, looky

Aussie Labor Party fined for sending “volunteers” to stop Trump.
Breaches US Election Rules
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jan/31/australian-labor-fined-14500-over-campaign-push-to-stop-trump
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January 31, 2018 8:22pm
- Inandout
  
  And our Lorde, from the same publication:
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/jan/31/lorde-newspaper-advert-grammys-snub-women
  
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  January 31, 2018 8:25pm
- Doubledimp
  
  What happened to the inquiry about the “Slave Labour” conditions of the foreign election campaign workers for the now Government? Were all their visa’s valid? Did they have a valid employment contract? This seems to have dropped off the radar!
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Shouldn’t have foreigners involved in our Election process at any stage.
    
    Something the USA has got right.
    
    Funny how Labour/Labor think they can poke their noses into other countries’ elections.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:56pm
Digmen1

Yes I really hope Trump sticks it to the dems and the UN over the next year or so.

I loved watching the dems squirm.
Bernie Sanders looked like he was having a heart attack.
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January 31, 2018 8:42pm
Surely Knott

What a weird and inappropriate place forJacinda to give a political speech – in a church?
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January 31, 2018 8:50pm
- sooty
  
  After all the church is pushing for the living wage.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:05pm
sooty

Lordes supporters are been sued for the cancelled concert. Ha Ha Ha.
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January 31, 2018 8:54pm
- Morrissey
  
  Snowball. Chance. Hell.
  
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  January 31, 2018 9:31pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Retard. You.
    
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    January 31, 2018 9:54pm
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      Clever. Not.
      
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      February 1, 2018 8:35am
Left Right and Centre

Sharing is caring . . .
Heard this music on radio, found it on youtube.

As Crazy As It Is

Can’t wait for replies about how good or shit it is.
You know what’s frustrating ?
youtube vids – and the music is really cool but no lyrics and no credit given. No way to look it up. Could ask in comments but I don’t want to.
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