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EAD_TWO

For your viewing pleasure…..

As it’s Sunday morning, now is a great time to share this video of an interview earlier this week in Britain that has gone viral with over 2M views in 3 days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

It is an interview of Professor Jordan Peterson by MSM “intellectual” Cathy Newman where he utterly eviscerates every single one of her PC doctrines and causes her to lose her mind as every single one of her received Marxist learnings is dismantled and her shrill “comeback” techniques is shown up for the joke they are.

It is so compelling and monumental that James Delinpole describes the 29 minute interview as nothing less than: “the pivotal victory in the culture wars — an incident in which the weaknesses of the regressive left have never been more cruelly or damningly exposed”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2018/01/18/delingpole-jordan-peterson-v-cathy-newman-best-sjw-takedown-evah/

I’ve watched it 3 times now and he gives an absolute masterclass on how to deal with the ideological Left. Never apologise, never back down, never allow them to frame the debate in their own terms. Use facts not emotion.

They simply aren’t used to dealing with someone like this and cannot handle it. If more “Right wing” politicians could learn to debate like this man, we might start to see a fightback against the destructive shibboleth of Political Correctness.

Enjoy the 29 minutes of pure brilliance in this Jordan Peterson masterclass.
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January 21, 2018 8:28am
- dime
  
  I haven’t had a chance to watch it yet.
  
  But have been watching his lectures for a year or so.
  
  The dude has changed my life.
  
  I’ve just started reading his latest book. – 12 rules for life. An antitode to chaos.
  
  Will review when I’m done.
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:33am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Ordered the book on Thursday.
    
    Should be in the mailbox by Tuesday – Looking forward to your review and comparing notes!
    
    I won’t spoil it, but the interview above is truly epic. Many highlights but the moment he reduces her to silence in the 22nd minute is pure television gold.
    
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    January 21, 2018 8:35am
    - stephieboy
      
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      What is cultural marxism and how is it not a conspiracy theory?
      
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      From what I understand, people use the term cultural marxism to describe SJW, intersectonal feminist ideology about how there are disadvantaged and advantaged groups in society. Why is cultural marxism or “neomarxism” an accurate description of that and not just misleading anti-marxist bias? Many “SJWs” have nothing to do with marxism and are neoliberals or social liberals.
      What’s wrong with the theory that there are some disadvantaged groups in society? Regardless of the actions of SJWs, there is clearly some merit in that notion. For example when looking for a job, names that sound “black” are less liekly to get callbacks than names that sound “white” and this has been observed multiple times. http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/mar/15/jalen-ross/black-name-resume-50-percent-less-likely-get-respo/ Transgenders obviously face some discrimination etc. Why is it bad to recognize that some groups are more disadvantaged than others in society?
      People often use the term “cultural marxism” like it’s a conspiracy to intentionally undermine “western values”. What specific western values are being undermined?
      
      https://www.reddit.com/r/JordanPeterson/comments/6raeen/what_is_cultural_marxism_and_how_is_it_not_a/
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:02am
      - ztev
        
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        ‘Cultural Marxism’ would seem to have its roots in the Social Welfare introduced by Bismarck
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:06am
      - labrator
        
        Are you channelling Hugh Pavletich? I realise that this all just a copy paste that you’ve put no effort into but:
        
        anti-marxist bias
        
        If you’re “pro-marxist” then you’re anti-evidence. That experiment has been tried many ways and failed every time.
        
        What’s wrong with the theory that there are some disadvantaged groups in society?
        
        Strawman. There’s nothing wrong with that theory at all, everyone is disadvantaged, some more so than others but lumping people into groups is the real problem.
        
        names that sound “black” are less liekly to get callbacks than names that sound “white” and this has been observed multiple times.
        
        So has the outcomes of calling people stupid names. People are free to change their names if they are disadvantaging them. Even within commonly accepted names some are better than others, I believe “Mark” is one of the most successful names doesn’t mean we need to give a tax break to every not-Mark.
        
        Why is it bad to recognize that some groups are more disadvantaged than others in society?
        
        Because people are individuals made up of many different components and group think always ends badly no matter how well intentioned the purpose.
        
        What specific western values are being undermined?
        
        Freedom? By implemented legislative group thinking like gay rights, subjective personal pronouns, DNA based additional rights you destroy any element that you are a person, unique to yourself and that you’re free to be as successful as you can be (not as successful as anyone else). Life is a struggle, get over it, no matter how many “disadvantaged” groups you want to be a part of.
        
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        January 21, 2018 10:48am
    - holysheet
      
      Downloaded it on ibooks just now. 20 bucks should be well worth it.
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:19am
    - backster
      
      Will the colleges and universities be using the video for educational purposes or will it be deemed unsuitable.?
      
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      January 21, 2018 10:03am
  - Peter
    
    Peterson has changed my life, too.
    
    His calm, clear dismantling of the increasingly shrill, dogmatic, slogan-driven, unthinking Marxist left is done with such apparent ease.
    
    A gifted thinker and communicator.
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:49am
  - artemisia
    
    #2 on the Amaxon bestseller list as of now. Right behind #1 Fire and Fury.
    
    Nice.
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:17pm
- Huevon
  
  Imagine him on Kim Hill.
  
  I tried to download his new book on Audible the other day, but it is unavailable in New Zealand. Hmmm….
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:40am
  - dime
    
    I’m sure you could find away to download for free.. I actually paid money for once. Just kindle. Worth it.
    
    I’m half way through chapter one. It seems to be the highlights from various lectures. I’m liking it.
    
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    January 21, 2018 8:45am
    - Huevon
      
      Yeah, but I would actually like to give this guy some money….
      
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      January 21, 2018 8:47am
      - dime
        
        Yeah same.
        
        Buy it on kindle and illegally download the audio book
        
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        January 21, 2018 8:52am
  - wiseowl
    
    Try Book Depository
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:20am
    - labrator
      
      Just did that exact thing, I never end up reading anything I buy on Kindle.
      
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      January 21, 2018 10:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Hardback available there – 48% off
      https://www.bookdepository.com/12-Rules-for-Life-Jordan-B-Peterson/9780241351635?ref=grid-view&qid=1516484942482&sr=1-2
      
      (I like bookdepository – speedy, excellent service, no shipping fees)
      
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      January 21, 2018 10:51am
      - Digmen1
        
        Yes I like Book Depository as their prices are in NZ dollars and include shipping. So you can see the price quickly.
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:30pm
  - Tempist
    
    He was:
    
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/201827260/dr-jordan-peterson-the-politically-incorrect-professor
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:33pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Outstanding interview. Where does this leave the Two Spirits??
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:53am
- ztev
  
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  Ah Petersen
  “The stupid mans smart person”
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:02am
  - labrator
    
    There’s no greater compliment on kiwiblog than getting insulted by ztev, the master of all trades and jack of none.
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:09am
    - Gabby
      
      Fetching a book makes you a good boy labrador, not a clever one.
      
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      January 21, 2018 11:26am
      - labrator
        
        gift of the gabby: ability to comment with inarticulate incompetence
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:42am
  - kowtow
    
    “ztev , kb’s troll”
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:14am
  - mandk
    
    Facile.
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:32am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Can’t refute his arguments then? Poor post modernist pseudo-intellectual.
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:08am
    - labrator
      
      What? Putting it in bold and quotes wasn’t a complete rebuttal?
      “TOUGH CROWD!1!”…
      
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      January 21, 2018 10:37am
      - ztev
        
        So he ‘flummoxed’ a TV interviewer. Hardly a triumph.
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:12pm
      - labrator
        
        Master of understatement too I see. Flummoxed…
        
        I went looking through pages and pages of twitter comments to find the “misogynistic abuse” and all I found was a universal acknowledgement that at minimum she was unprepared and embarrassed, generally it was a car crash of an interview and at worst should look for a new career. She is Channel 4’s star journalist but she made the horrible error if intending to school rather than interview Peterson. There is no positive she can take from that interview and the fact that the only line of defence her employer is running is “someone is saying rude words in the comments” (1.6% of comments on YouTube or something equally inane) says it all, there is no other defence than “the patriarchy don’t like me!”
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:25pm
      - ztev
        
        Most TV interviewers arent that bright, they have an earpiece whispering them cues as well.
        Hosking is a good example – left high school with UE to work as copywriter in advertising. Im sure he would admit hes no intellectual giant, but experience and diligence means hes good at what he does- which is not coming across as a smartypants.
        
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        January 21, 2018 6:04pm
- VicParking
  
  I see the response by the left is to say that Newman has been threatened by Peterson supporters and they are having to provide her with security. This is the same tactic that the left used in Canada when Peterson came out against a proposed law in Canada that made it illegal to call some one (Trangenders) by a Gender specific term they did not agree with. He had demolished the Gay spokesperson in a TV interview using the same logical tactics as he did against Newman.
  He publishes all his lectures on YouTube, he is brilliant.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:06am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    I see the response by the left is to say that Newman has been threatened by Peterson supporters
    
    It’s probably all made up.
    
    It’s a bit like that Jewish University Professor who’s been calling for White Genocide complaining about “threatening below the line comments” in response:
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/12/29/professor-who-tweeted-all-i-want-for-christmas-is-white-genocide-resigns-after-year-of-threats/?utm_term=.3625d1796004
    
    FFS – he’s calling for a genocide of hundreds of millions of people and yet he finds the gall to complain about online trolls “persecuting him”.
    
    People like this who cry out in pain as they strike you are the lowest of the low.
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:17am
  - labrator
    
    Strange, not a single link to the abuse, or description of, this article in the Guardian. Also, everyone gets abused on the internet by virtue of it giving every single low IQ idiot having equal access. Now if someone had actually phoned in a threat then that would be serious but anonymous twitter loserisims are meaningless.
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:43am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Isn’t this the same woman who performed equally badly when interviewing Milo – which many biased left-wing mouthpieces described as “schooling right wing troll Milo”.
    
    I’m sure the delusional leftists thought the same with this interview (ie that she ‘schooled alt-right, hate-monger Peterson’)
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:29pm
- dime
  
  Fuck I’ve been here :
  
  “It will render you impulsive, so that you will jump, for example, at any short-term mating opportunities, or any possibilities of pleasure, no matter how sub-par, disgraceful or illegal”
  
  Quote from the book.
  
  In my defence, I mainly did dodgy shit cause it was funny!
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:13am
  - Gabby
    
    dim’s gettin dodgy
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:28am
    - Viking2
      
      Nah he’s just growin up i.e. getting older.
      
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      January 21, 2018 2:19pm
- Simon
  
  Great interview. The left have got nothing.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:21am
- NZpatriot
  
  EAD, thanks for the link. I enjoyed watching that.
  
  Do you have any more good videos like that which you recommend?
  
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  January 21, 2018 10:03am
  - waikatogirl
    
    should be further links you can click on in the link provided by EAD.
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:37am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    @ NZpatriot,
    
    My favourite exchange of the interview was:
    – “You deliberately set out to be provocative don’t you
    
    – “I’m only provocative in so far as I only say things I believe to be true and some people find that provocative”
    
    I’d actually never heard of Peterson until 4 days ago so I can’t suggest any more of his material. I’d suggest giving the commentator “Millenial Woes” a try see if you like his style. He’s not an academic like Peterson but it’s enjoyable listening to him dismantle the ludicrous Zeitgeists of our age.
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:18am
  - labrator
    
    His youtube channel is here and he’s done 3 podcasts with Joe Rogan (3hrs a pop) which are pretty good.
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:28am
- calendar girl
  
  Thanks, Ead_Two, for bringing that Jordan Peterson interview to our attention. Thought-provoking on many levels.
  
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  January 21, 2018 12:56pm
  - stephieboy
    
    This review from Amazon from one of Jordan Petresen’s earlier books might help you Calendar girl as a you think about a purchase ,
    
    “Unreadable prose, reactionary retreads of real philosophers.”
    
    “ This book is ghastly and unreadable. Amazon algorithms recommended it to me over a decade ago. I once said that the film Tree Of Life is what happens when a man gets his head so far up his own ass that he mistakes his bowels for the cosmos. This book is the philosophical literary version of that phenomenon. I had no idea until about a week ago that Peterson had been adopted by the alt-right, but it’s a perfect match.”
    
    https://www.amazon.com/Maps-Meaning-Architecture-Jordan-Peterson/product-reviews/0415922224/ref=cm_cr_dp_d_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:10pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      So you cite one negative review and post that as it suits your narrative. Try watching more of his lectures then try and dispute his logic and credibility with actual counter arguments of your own.
      As for the alt-right angle; that is beyond facile and just reinforces Petersons point that such is the moral and intellectual weakness of the post modernist left that their only response tends to be the use of negative labeling. Sound familiar?
      
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      January 21, 2018 2:04pm
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      I followed your link, read the whole review, and discovered the book had 50 positive reviews, 5 negative reviews and an average rating of 4.5 stars out of 5.
      
      Perhaps this is one of those attack reviews by cultural warriors who like to discredit authors whose ideas threaten them, even when they haven’t read the book.
      
      Has stephieboy cherry-picked the worst review he could find? Of course not! That would be foolish speculation because stephieboy is an honorable man who would never mislead KB readers.
      
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      January 21, 2018 2:15pm
      - stephieboy
        
        KiwiDave , but my reviewer had the presence of mine and perception to nail it . The other 50 were merely parroting .
        
        EAD TWO’s book is merely an alt right tome convincing those their prejudices and bias and what they want to here .
        
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        January 21, 2018 4:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        How would you know?
        Have you read it?
        Of course you haven’t. You’re just making shit up- as usual
        
        Oh, and I see you back to using the ‘Alt right’ smear again.
        Excellent
        #Strike 6
        
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        January 21, 2018 4:02pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red ,
        
        I take you too have read Jordan Petersen latest book and former ? A negative review can help us consider a writer’s biases and prejudices ,provide context for the naive and gullible IMO.
        
        Does KB’s comments policy include strikes for criticising the alt right and may I add ,Trumpeters like you .?
        
        BTW thoughts on the FISA memo from the Professor of Every thing ?
        
        LOL
        
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        January 21, 2018 5:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You know very well that Alt Right is another term for White Supremicist.
        But hey make my day. You’ve only just had a warning from DPF.
        Next strike is two months.
        How was Church today?
        Man, you’re going to be embarrassed when that letter goes out
        Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahahah
        
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        January 21, 2018 5:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Here’s what an alt-righter seems to be:
        racist, white nationalist, anti-semitic (neo-Nazi),
        anti-immigrant, anti-feminist, anti-LBGT, education supremacist.
        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/us/politics/alt-left-alt-right-glossary.html
        
        Seems a very, very nasty label to attach to KB commenters without supporting evidence.
        
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        January 21, 2018 6:30pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Maggy – as usual it’s a standard ploy to attach a negative label rather than provide rational counternance. It’s like the intellectually bereft who labeled Milo Yiannopolous a racist and a transphobe (he’s a gay Jew who’s husband is black) To label Jordan Peterson as alt-right is beyond laughable: it shows how limited the rational capability the mind of the accuser is; something that is unlikely to come as a surprise to many.
        
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        January 21, 2018 6:54pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Thank you EAD_TWO. I’d been aware of this interview (including noticing that Jordan Petersen had defended the dumb bint and asked that all the abuse that has gone her way stop) but I hadn’t actually stopped to listen.
  
  My main problem was that I felt the species got progressively stupider every time that moronic woman opened her mouth (the same kind of effect one gets every time SB or MM or sam green comments here).
  
  Anyway thanks for flagging this. It is a brilliant demolition of the nonsense of the Left – kind of embarrassing that the (not that much lamented) ~~National~~ Labour Lite government started the ball rolling on closing the faux gender gap on the sort of uni-variant analysis the moronic C4 interviewer based her whole attack on.
  
  Personally I disagree with the infinitely decent Prof Peterson, that cretinous women deserves the heaped opprobrium resulting from such a disgusting sexist performance in a supposedly unbiased TV interview.
  
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  January 21, 2018 1:26pm
stigie

If this had been a National MP, they would have been hung, drawn and quartered.
This is utter bullshit !~

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11976682
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January 21, 2018 8:32am
- CHFR1
  
  This just disgusts me especially in light of the continuing harassment of Todd Barclay.
  But I guess it sends the message the CoL want to send, rip off the system at your pleasure there is plenty of the “rich pricks” money to go around…till there isn’t and then National can take over and fix our mess (not that we see it as such).
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:35am
  - ztev
    
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    She met with Social Welfare investigators did she ?
    
    Thats a hell of a lot more than Barclay ever did, as his crime was committed while still an MP
    
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    January 21, 2018 8:58am
    - stigie
      
      Twat, did Barclay steal money off the taxpayer..?
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:07am
      - CHFR1
        
        Ah but to Ztev stealing from his fellow citizens is something to aspire to. It is halarious watching him/her/ze/she/whateverthehelltheywayttocallthemselves twist like a pretzel to justify the current Fraser House position.
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:26am
      - GazzaW
        
        A dollar to a doughnut this has been covered off in the Coalition agreement. Unwritten of course. As things stand Turei will never appear before the Court because there’s far too much dirty laundry at risk of surfacing.
        
        It’s over to the Taxpayers’ Union, KB and others to keep this in the public eye and apply pressure to ensure that the money is repaid and justice is done.
        
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        January 21, 2018 10:04am
      - ztev
        
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        Dickson payout was ‘larger than normal’ because of Barclays actions in recording her.
        That came from the ‘PMs Budget’- a misuse of public funds, as Dickson wasnt employed in PMs department.
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:45am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        In 2012, the Greens spent $75,000 of its leader’s fund allocation to pay signature collectors for a referendum opposing the Government’s asset sales, with Wellington lawyer Graeme Edgeler saying the move, while within the rules, was “a little concerning”.
        
        Was that a “misuse of public funds” ztev, or do the Greens get a free pass from you?
        
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        January 21, 2018 1:03pm
      - ztev
        
        You well know keeping stock that spending of leaders fund allows for spreading the party’s message through media/publicity
        A referendum is just a greens way of drumming up support.
        Wouldnt mind betting those ‘provincial roads’ National is now running petitions on is supported by leaders funds too. They want to beat the drum over a petition or referendum, whats the difference.
        or is it only bad when the greens/labour do it.
        In opposition these sort of things are appealing to do.
        
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        January 21, 2018 6:17pm
    - David Garrett
      
      Ztev: So, without any trial – or even a charge having been laid – you airily say that Mr Barclay has committed a crime. Even heard of due process? Or mens rea for that matter? No? Didn’t think so. fuckwit.
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:37am
      - ztev
        
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        Bill English provided all the evidence
        “In that statement I said to the police that Todd Barclay had told me that he had recordings of his staff, criticising him.”
        
        Surely you know that part of the Crimes Act where recording of individuals conversations is illegal.
        
        In order for the police making it go away their budget freeze had a sudden thaw.
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:42am
      - flipper
        
        DG….
        Well said !
        Dumbass zetev is probably in search of a legal dictionary to ascertain the meaning of mens rea.
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:02pm
      - ztev
        
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        Who gives credibility to a struck off lawyer- who’s admitted to ‘legal work’ while being disqualified, working for a mate.
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:15pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Temper ztev.
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:36pm
      - waldonz
        
        Zit boy/zit girl/or what ever the hell you are…..your ‘Hey – look over there’ tactics are getting very boring.
        
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        January 21, 2018 2:52pm
      - Lance
        
        ztev in a hissy fit is hilarious
        
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        January 21, 2018 3:36pm
      - lofty
        
        Ha ha.. pass the popcorn while we watch DG get under ztevs skin…snort.
        
        Please do not forget that ztev is KBs biggest know it all, and googler of great excellence,pay your due respects you lot..
        
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        January 21, 2018 4:37pm
      - axeman
        
        “Temper ztev” Don’t worry booby will have calmed down from having his arse handed to him all day. Now he has to get ready because it is DATE NIGHT with Caropotamus 😉
        
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        January 21, 2018 5:38pm
  - backster
    
    “National’s social development spokeswoman Louise Upston said the investigation wasn’t a priority for her and she hadn’t asked questions about it. “It’s not really an area of interest for me.”
    
    Well we are paying her to make it a priority , she should be addressing a question to the Acting Prime Minister whose own malfeasance and inability to understand simple clear work and income enquiries defies belief.
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:16am
    - waikatogirl
      
      As a voter of Louise Upston I believe she should be taking an interest and making it a priority.
      FFS, parliamentarians should have no more protection from prosecution than Joe Average in the street.
      
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      January 21, 2018 10:41am
    - PaulL
      
      As a voter for the right, I absolutely agree with Louise Upston keeping National as far away from it as possible. Better that someone else do the dirty work, as inevitably if National were pushing it then a group of people would ignore the result just because National asked the question.
      
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      January 21, 2018 4:06pm
  - doggone7
    
    Is any noise about the Clutha thing is automatically the “continuing harassment of Todd Barclay.”
    
    When it’s about getting explanations for the spending of taxpayers money and cover up by Bill English is it continued harassment of Barclay?
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:33am
- KiWombat
  
  Comon MSD – here’s a self confessed fraudster. You owe it to the taxpayer to recover and report on this theft.
  
  Is the Minister checking on her department’s veracity? Would be nice to know !
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:49am
  - SGA
    
    To be fair, the link is to a Herald article.
    And, a practical question – are the relevant government departments allowed to report the details of on-going investigations to the media (I’m assuming it’s ongoing)? It wouldn’t surprise me if there were privacy issues that tied their hands. I could be wrong on that, so happy to be corrected.
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:06am
    - David Garrett
      
      SGA: You raise a valid point. In my view, the Privacy Act is the most misquoted and misinterpreted piece of legislation in New Zealand. It is frequently offered as an excuse in circumstances where it provides none.
      
      The most important thing to remember is personal information about me (or you, or anyone else) belongs to me and no-one else. Similarly the right to disseminate that information – or not as the case may be – belongs to me and no-one else.
      
      Against that background, if Turei wishes to disclose that she has or has not repaid her debt, that is entirely up to her. Certainly MSD could probably not release that information without her consent but she can, and if she ever cites “the Privacy Act” as the excuse why she can’t, she’s bullshitting. To be fair, she has not done that; she has simply said nothing, which of course is her right.
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:36am
      - KiWombat
        
        If MeTu had repaid ANY of the fraudulently acquired funds, or at least entered into a repayment agreement with MSD, don’t you think somebody would be crowing from the treetops about it???
        Very quick to throw stones, but not so diligent when it comes to cleaning up the mess !!
        
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        January 21, 2018 3:57pm
      - SGA
        
        Not so sure, KiWombat. I think that keeping her head down and giving this plenty of time to blow over would be a wiser a course of action if she has any dreams of returning to politics (and it would probably be better for her party too).
        Just a thought.
        
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        January 21, 2018 4:54pm
      - KiWombat
        
        Fair comment SGA. However if she does have such aspirations, then I would think she should try and clear the air now and be somewhat repentant, rather than begrudgingly pay later on the eve of her quest to return to the sidelines?
        
        Even her own party would see that as cynical.
        
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        January 21, 2018 8:50pm
  - pdm
    
    Sepuloni checking on anything Green or Labour related sure as hell is not going to happen.
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:07am
    - GazzaW
      
      Her past record on such matters is hardly encouraging.
      
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      January 21, 2018 10:56am
      - ztev
        
        So the daughter is responsible for what a parent does ?
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:47am
      - GazzaW
        
        Not at all but the way she misleadingly raised the subject at Question Time was and if I recall correctly she was later asked to apologise for her action.
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:33pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      MSD are required under the ‘no suprises’ principal to keep Minister Sepuloni informed of any processes underway in the Dept that are likely to create media attention (like the outcome of the MeTu investigation).
      
      I would’ve thought many MSD Ministers’ weekly reports will contain updates on how the case is progressing. Why aren’t the MSM asking for these?
      
      The interesting point will come when there is tension between the Privacy Act’s concerns about the individual’s privacy rights and the OIA’s objectives on openness. There are massive public interest elements at play but I’d bet the Ombudsman will wimp out again (like with the secret coalition papers) and defer to MeTu’s privacy concerns in a very different way to how other individuals’ privacy rights are viewed
      
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      January 21, 2018 1:48pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        *principle
        
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        January 21, 2018 3:25pm
      - ztev
        
        The no surprises is regarding government policy – not an individual circumstances.
        The fact of an individual getting publicity is of their own concern
        
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        January 21, 2018 6:23pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Such a naive thing to say or think ztev. We’re talking about the woman who ask WPQs about investigations undertaken (when her mum was being investigated). She wouldn’t know integrity if it flew out of her oversized undies. They will have asked and msd will have advised – count on it.
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:47pm
      - MH
        
        what about her admittance to electoral fraud ? Should that debar her from standing for Parliament again?
        
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        January 22, 2018 2:42pm
  - GazzaW
    
    No doubt there’s a question that will be asked of the Minister during Question Time. Sepuloni will need someone smarter than her running interference on that particular occasion.
    
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    January 21, 2018 3:35pm
- Yvette
  
  Parliament allowed a self-confessed fraudster to remain a sitting Member while the extent of the fraud was not established , nor whether because of that the Member still had the right to be a Member.
  
  Likewise her Party rallied around her, except for two members who left, again with no knowledge of the extent of offending.
  
  Issues presented by this situation, as to whether Metiria Turei mis-lead Parliament in any of her comments, while the extent of her offending was never established, or whether the other Green Co-Leader also offended, remain unaddressed.
  
  Even if Turei is now beyond Parliament’s domain, those still there have to answer the questions raised by this issue.
  
  Unsubstantiated reportage indicated Turei received at least $80,000 from the baby’s father’s family over a 4 year period, which if true would mean Metiria’s claims she was saving her baby from starving, misled Parliament (whether the explanation was uttered there or not) and the Electorate in general. This information may be hearsay, where as Metiria’s portrayal of “I did it for my baby” is her say.
  We still do not know the truth of either.
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:57am
  - SGA
    
    Metiria’s claims she was saving her baby from starving
    
    I’m fairly sure that no one believes that her baby was starving :-). But while she might have tried to create that impression, was she actually foolish enough to use those words? I can’t remember.
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:10am
    - holysheet
      
      How do you think she got so fat? She obviously used the in-laws cash to feed herself first. Only once she was sated, did she feed her kid.
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:25am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Here is her speech to the Green Party July 2017
      
      She says she and her daughter couldn’t get by on the WINZ payout.
      https://www.greens.org.nz/news/speech/mending-safety-net-%E2%80%93-metiria-turei%E2%80%99s-speech-green-party-2017-agm
      
      Turei’s daughter is quoted as saying
      “I think I would’ve been hungry”.
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11893562
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:31am
    - Yvette
      
      “And I knew that my baby and I could not get by on what was left.” – Metiria Turei, Conference Speech
      https://www.greens.org.nz/news/speech/mending-safety-net-–-metiria-turei’s-speech-green-party-2017-agm
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      Metiria Turei’s only child believes she would have gone hungry had the future Green Party co-leader not misled WINZ over her benefit status.
      
      Piupiu Turei, 24, has spoken of her mother’s decision to go public about what she had to do to make ends meet as a solo-mother, student and beneficiary.
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11893562
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:35am
      - KevinH
        
        With respect to Metiria, her story just does’nt ring true.
        A junior lawyer would deconstruct her story in court. As a lawyer herself surely she could expect that to happen.
        Tut tut.
        
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        January 21, 2018 5:24pm
    - David Garrett
      
      SGA: No, I don’t think she ever said “My baby was starving, which is why I ripped off the benefit”
      
      She most certainly did say, “I had to do it to feed my baby” ergo, had she not done so, the baby would supposedly have starved. Same meaning conveyed using different words.
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:42am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        Looks like Mummy has been in a good paddock for a long time though!
        
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        January 21, 2018 10:55am
  - ztev
    
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    You are allowed to have ‘boarders paying rent’ when you are receiving a benefit.
    She may have been unaware of that when she wasnt telling about her ‘flatmates’
    The terminology may confuse people.
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:11am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      You are not allowed to be living with the father of your child. She is a lying cow. We have a right to know how much she paid back and if it included interest and/or penalties.
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:22am
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        She wasnt living with the father, the electoral roll wasnt correct. The address given to WINZ was correct.
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:48am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      They still must be disclosed and you know it (and most other things supposedly)
      
      Try and be honest Ztev
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:57am
      - lofty
        
        Not most other things..all things mate, and don’t you forget it, ztev is the font of all knowledge and correctness of said knowledge. 🙂
        
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        January 21, 2018 4:42pm
      - David Garrett
        
        Ztev: And how exactly, wise one(s), are you so sure of all this?
        
        I’ll bet the farm that she was living with the father…You will perhaps have noticed a complete silence from him…If that wasn’t true, wouldn’t he come out and say so, in defence of his ex??
        
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        January 21, 2018 5:56pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Why are you defending an alleged fraudster ztev? Personal opinion or is this Labour’s stance on the issue?
      
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      January 21, 2018 10:10am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Must. Not. Criticise. The. Left.
        
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        January 21, 2018 10:42am
      - ztev
        
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        Theres a lot of interest in Paula Bennetts time of the DPB as well.
        Was was working at the Red Stag and not on the benefit and then suddenly she was back on the benefit- “as it was all too much” .
        There have been some claims even her house she bought with WINZ support was rented out.
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:52am
      - GazzaW
        
        …..and charges were laid against Bennett ztev or WINZ as it was then demanded repayment? There’s been a hell of alot of water passed under the bridge since then and plenty of time for your parliamentary mates or Peters to make allegations under parliamentary privilege. But they haven’t.
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:24pm
      - KiWombat
        
        He cannot pillory the left – she sun shines from her fundamental orifice as long as it points to the ground!
        
        He must be squirming !!
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:24pm
  - Yvette
    
    It is still not clear who in Parliament – the Governor General, Speaker of the House or the Janitor – determines whether rubbish should be taken out. When a Member confesses to a crime, who should verify the exact extent of it, so its seriousness, and whether that effects the Member’s right to remain. 
    Because of the Privacy Act it is up to Metiria as to whether she discloses anything further.
    
    What Metiria did was claim a greater understanding of Welfare fraud because she herself had by circumstances been forced into it.
    She condones welfare fraud, but does not define a limit.
    Or allow you to evaluate her actions by giving any figure.
    
    At the time of her admission, she also claimed to not know the amount herself.
    Which means she did not precisely evaluate her actions at the time, nor seem bothered to work it out during the twenty years since.
    
    She sought to control my thinking on welfare fraud when she made her initial admission, but now she provides no amount to further inform my thinking. Her grand plan is either totally dishonest, or incomplete – so I draw my own conclusions.
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:16am
  - ztev
    
    “Parliament allowed a self-confessed fraudster to remain a sitting Member..”
    
    Barclay remained a sitting member while telling his colleagues he had committed a criminal act in recording staff. ( ‘Do you want to hear it’ – he said to English)
    To top it off he lied to the public about what happened. ( refuted he had made a recording!)
    
    Instead of expelling him from caucus, they allowed his renomination to go ahead.
    
    So dont get all high and mighty about ‘remaining in parliament’
    
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    January 21, 2018 6:29pm
- Muttonbird
  
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  Herald on Sunday. Hahaha. Williams and Seymour! Hahaha.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:09am
  - GazzaW
    
    What’s funny muttonbrain? Do you condone benefit fraud?
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:12am
- niggly
  
  Interesting that it’s the Herald on Sunday that chases these “taboo” subjects and not the mainstream weekday NZ Herald etc.
  
  Note HoS’s headline as of 0500 today:
  
  “Silence over Metiria Turei’s alleged benefit fraud investigation irks”
  
  Wonder if the normal leftie weekday Herald editors will change that tomorrow to something less damning?!! 😉
  
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  January 21, 2018 11:35am
- Gabby
  
  I wonder how SeeMore Coq knows who the most incensed people are.
  
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  January 21, 2018 11:35am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Do you wonder, do you? What a wonderer.
    
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    January 21, 2018 7:50pm
Rich Prick

Will the Herald, Stuff or TVNZ be the first to nominate Cindy for a Nobel Prize? It will be a tight race, I think.
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January 21, 2018 8:34am
- Simon
  
  You will be expected to remember where you were when the preggie story came out.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:17am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    I was on the dunny when the wife told me
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:02am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I can tell you where I was when JFK and John Lennon were shot and when the death of Elvis came out. Who were we discussing again, I forget?
    
    I’m lying, I just don’t give a f**k
    
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    January 21, 2018 2:26pm
- VicParking
  
  If you think this is over the top just wait till there is a baby bump and it start all over again, boy/girl, what school, what clothes, what type of birth, will she breast feed in Parliment. Will she be the first women to produce Almond Milk???
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:19am
  - GazzaW
    
    Precisely VP. This is a logical continuation of the campaign started by NZME a while back with Cindy’s appearance in a fashion shoot in one of their womens’ weekly trashy mags. They set out to create their very own PM and it’s all come to pass with very obvious benefits to them at readership and boardroom level. The advertising revenue created will be enormous. The birth and the ensuing years will be milked for all its worth.
    
    Imagine, our very own royal family brought to you by NZME.
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:26am
    - ztev
      
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      Jacinda had a fashion shoot with Vogue photographer in Auckland.
      
      Hasnt been published , yet some imagine they have seen it!
      
      Quick get Trumps doctor for that cognitive test!
      
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      January 21, 2018 12:19pm
      - GazzaW
        
        You know full well ztev that she was featured very prominently in Womans Day or New Idea or one of those trashy mags a couple of years ago and NZME and Stuff have been image building ever since.
        
        Maybe it’s you who needs the cognitive test. Your ‘convenient’ memory seems to be fading.
        
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        January 21, 2018 1:16pm
      - ztev
        
        Yopu know very well English has appeared in ‘those magazines ‘ too
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/89132751/what-we-learnt-from-bill-englishs-splashy-new-womens-weekly-feature
        
        “It was the worst acne I have ever seen in my whole clinical life,” GP Mary told Woman’s Weekly.
        You should read it gazza, as Ill be trotting it out regularly.
        
        “Over six pages, two fact boxes, and countless mentions of Bill’s Southland background’….. yawnn…
        
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        January 21, 2018 6:35pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Why am I not surprised that you’re also an expert in women’s trashy mags ztev? You’re an expert at everything else.
        
        Personally, I couldn’t give a flying fuck whether you want to waste your time boring us all stupid with quotes from Womans Day about Bill English. That article was doubtless low class dross too. You will doubtless break W of O’s record of being the quickest post to be downticked out of existence. Your call.
        
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        January 21, 2018 8:26pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Will she be the first women to produce Almond Milk???
    
    Priceless, thanks for that! 😀
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:57am
  - SGA
    
    VicParking
    
    If you think this is over the top just wait till there is a baby bump and it start all over again, boy/girl, what school,
    
    “what school”? You’re predicting a two-term Labour-led government then, we are in a pessimistic mood today 🙂
    
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    January 21, 2018 4:49pm
Nukuleka

Interesting to spend time yesterday with friends who are very much Labour supporters but clearly already sick of the MSM Jacinderella baby fixation. ‘You’d think that no-one had ever got pregnant before’ seemed to be the general theme.

Little support for the party line that Winston was only recently informed of the pregnancy either. The overwhelming opinion was that his imminent elevation to PM status, no matter how temporary, was part of the hidden coalition agenda.
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January 21, 2018 8:37am
CHFR1

I have come to realise in light of current politics we need an update to the old quote:
If you are not a progressive in your 20’s you don’t have a heart but if you are still a progressive in your 40’s you don’t have a brain.
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January 21, 2018 8:37am
billmurray

Clarke Gayford should marry Jacinda;
Its your child Clarke;
Stop being a fucking Piker clown.
Grow up and be a Man.
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January 21, 2018 8:38am
- KevOB
  
  Some children never grow up.
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:44am
  - holysheet
    
    Yes Chompers is still a kid at the age of 37.
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:27am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    He is exactly what Jordan Peterson refers to above.
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:44am
- Harkman
  
  BillMurray, three days ago we learnt that Labour had cancelled tax cuts for middle & entrepreneurial NZers in the guise of reducing poverty. Treasury says that this simply won’t be happening. Next day, “were expecting.”
  
  So when the stock market tanks 20% in a day, or the NZD ⤵15% in a week or we get news of a recession, the next day, “Clark just proposed.” Cindy has enlisted tabloid media as her spin doctors.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:58am
- lifesgood
  
  Let’s see how long he lasts…not long, I’m picking. He’s (self confessed) not used to just one. Party boys can’t be party boys when they have to mind a screaming baby.
  
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  January 21, 2018 12:31pm
  - artemisia
    
    There will be a nanny. Maybe more than one.
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:13pm
    - billmurray
      
      Yes; I understand that he will be a stay at home daddy.
      Will this skiving irresponsible ‘get’ claim the dole for his trouble’s ?.
      
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      January 21, 2018 1:53pm
- RF
  
  I suspect that the wedding day will just be prior to the next election.
  
  It’s a matter of timing to gain the maximum impact….
  
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  January 21, 2018 2:36pm
  - KiWombat
    
    Then there will be the opportunity for more “time out” for the honeymoon. Wonder how well that will go down with the voters.
    Hope they learn to take better care of baby #1 than they did of #1 cat – we all know how that ended up !!
    
    R I P Paddles
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:48pm
artemisia

Forbes mag has produced a publicly available spreadsheet which tracks over 100 MAGA indicators – stock market, unemployment, GDP, jobs added, federal and trade deficits and a lot more.

Worth watching …..

It is here (without the line breaks):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19bgg41HsvQtg9WDMP-3EGXgFXRQIwm_b4JCD76HqtQA/edit#gid=176969865

Current summary and useful charts here:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2018/01/18/trumps-economic-scorecard-one-year-post-inauguration/#2cb76a086b67
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January 21, 2018 8:38am
Huevon

Hard-working, propery-owning, educated, White, South African family are getting tossed out…

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/health/100656838/south-african-family-have-accepted-their-fate-yet-are-banking-on-miracle

They have even offered to pay for the kid’s medical treatment, but apparently private care isn’t a permitted option. Welcome to the People’s Republic of Aotearoa.

I was back in Dunners recently and saw plenty of raghead families, 4 or 5 kids in tow. Dollars to donuts none of them work. But they get to stay…
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January 21, 2018 8:45am
- dime
  
  Yeah I say see ya later.
  
  So the dad has paid some tax. Big whoop.
  
  They lied.
  
  They may pay for the kids care now, but what is the lifetime cost?
  
  Fuck em, they are a drain.
  
  We should only let people who are nett contributors stay
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:55am
- kowtow
  
  So what about the Pacific Islanders on kidney dialysis?
  
  Must be a huge drain on the health and tax system .
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:21am
  - dime
    
    “So what about the Pacific Islanders on kidney dialysis?”
    
    what about them?
    
    1) PI comes here. legally. is here for years. gets sick = we help
    2) PI kid is born here = we help
    3) PI rocks up sick… not so keen on helping (although we have weird agreements so maybe we have to help).
    4) saffas rock up sick = piss off. try zimbabwe.
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:43am
    - kowtow
      
      They cost the economy a lot more than they contribute.
      
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      January 21, 2018 1:24pm
    - GoVege
      
      It probably takes at least a decade of daily dining at KFC and McDonald’s to gain enough weight to get diabetes.
      In more advanced nations, the calorie content of each meal is displayed at the front desk.
      Demanding this be done might make a dent in the stats.
      
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      January 21, 2018 3:34pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        You’d have to teach them to read first mate.
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:49pm
- GoVege
  
  How incredibly cruel, and stupid.
  An obviously nice and hard-working family are being booted out after 9 years.
  Yet heaps of people from primitive countries with little hope of integrating are brought in to become a drain on our resources.
  The only reason the latter won’t get accused of covering up their kids’ health conditions, of which there are bound to be plenty, is because they usually don’t take their kids to a doctor unless they’re at death’s door.
  
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  January 21, 2018 11:34am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Funny how they left kidney problem kid off visa application, isn’t it ?
    
    Yes, that is a shame – good blending in white people. Shame about dodgy application.
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:55pm
- Liberty
  
  Maybe the family should talk to Dot Con.
  He seems to know the right person to talk to as he is still here.
  
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  January 21, 2018 7:07pm
Manolo

Globalist’s fear?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/markets/coca-cola-ceo-urges-us-to-avoid-%E2%80%98deconstructing-global-trade%E2%80%99/ar-AAuVomQ

As Nafta negotiations drag on, Coca-Cola Co. Chief Executive James Quincey is adding his voice to the chorus of leaders urging the U.S. to preserve free trade.

Though the agreement can and should be improved, throwing up barriers between nations again isn’t the answer, Quincey said in an interview on Bloomberg Television. Quincey, whose company operates in more than 200 countries, also advocated for a less extreme version of the U.K.’s exit from the European Union.
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January 21, 2018 8:46am
- flipper
  
  Of course he has no self interest…..
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:20am
G152

I see TV1 claiming that they are the one true accurate news in NZ.
Then running a -news item- anti Trump story that the originators had to retract and apologise for.
Fake news.
I even look suspiciously at the weather reports
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January 21, 2018 8:47am
- Digmen1
  
  I’ll have to look out for that, as I don’t watch much tv.
  
  But I do think they should run a few stories of children in poverdy, just to remind us.
  
  And if they bother to find one, and she is a solo mum… and ask where are the fathers etc. And how many different fathers you had. And why arent they helping you, rather than relying on the tax payer.
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:52am
  - G152
    
    The father query will fail.
    She only has twenty digits
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:46am
- ztev
  
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  What did they have to retract ?
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:53am
  - sam green
    
    You’re not allowed to ask questions ztev.
    
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    January 21, 2018 3:21pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Thems the rules sam. You’ve been here long enough to know that. Don’t like it then you know what to do.
      
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      January 21, 2018 3:29pm
      - sam green
        
        Yes – annoy the fuck out of you.
        
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        January 21, 2018 7:23pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Water off a duck’s back comrade.
        
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        January 21, 2018 8:31pm
      - sam green
        
        Ahhh – so you are Trevor Mallard.
        
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        January 21, 2018 10:41pm
- VicParking
  
  As for their advert where they drag a frightened puppy into the surf. There has to be a Freudian message in it somewhere.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:24am
- flipper
  
  They believe and promote their own bullshit. And BSA is itself smoke and mirrors, with a foundation of bullshit !
  But for all that, the fault is mainly with those behind the cameras and the producers.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:26am
Catons

There will be no marriage this year. That will be done in election year. This year we will have endless firsts like the first PM to breastfeed a baby while chairing a cabinet meeting. Next year we will have first steps. And the little cute one saying Prime Minister. As superwomen strides from one first to the next.
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January 21, 2018 8:48am
ztev

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Jay Cutler is 6’3, 233 lbs.
[Jay Christopher Cutler (born April 29, 1983) is an American football quarterback for the Miami Dolphins ]

No way Donald Trump is 6’3 239 lbs.
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January 21, 2018 8:51am
- Rich Prick
  
  Whatever.
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:53am
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    Girtherism!
    
    Weve got him now. he must supply absolute proof of his weigh-in
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:13am
- dime
  
  Who cares?
  
  No way you are an alpha male.
  
  The game could go all day!
  
  No way you ever engineered your way into a 3some with 2 chicks without paying etc etc
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:02am
- VicParking
  
  Ztev is 5’2 and 150 lbs of…..
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:25am
  - ztev
    
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    And you are 1cm high and 6m long !
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:39am
    - VicParking
      
      ???
      
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      January 21, 2018 12:24pm
- flipper
  
  Ever tried measuring an athlete’s SG of muscle etc … v … an ordinary person, Dumbass zetev ???
  Ever compared the SGs of persons of different ethnicity, Dumbass ?
  Ever wondered why some folk presenting as mainly skin and bones eat and drink more than some that are appear obese???
  Ever wondered about the role of genetics, Dumbass ???
  Ever wondered why Richie McCaw weighed in at about 110kgs or 242 lbs ????
  Ever wondered why the BMI is a crap tool that now has no credibility ???
  Go learn Dumbass, and then come back. Sans left wing crap.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:43am
  - ztev
    
    Are you saying Trump is mostly air ?
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:28am
- Harkman
  
  How much does Labour pay you to troll on here?
  
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  January 21, 2018 10:02am
  - Gabby
    
    How much you get paid to ask that hackman?
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:45am
    - Harkman
      
      Personally nothing. But as I said yesterday, your talents are on a par with those of Amy Schumer.
      
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      January 21, 2018 12:16pm
- Ross12
  
  Do you know the difference between the weight of fat and muscle?
  Ask anyone who has gone a weight training regime and they will tell you that they lost fat but gained weight overall( at least for part of the training program)
  
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  January 21, 2018 10:51am
  - cha
    
    I do, actually. Muscle is denser than fat, a litre of fat weighs in at around .9kg and muscle 1.1kg, but very few people are able to add the volume of muscle mass relative to fat lost to gain weight.
    
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    January 21, 2018 12:09pm
    - Harkman
      
      There are a lot of things out there that builds muscle and burns fat aside from steriods/hgh such as SARMs, Cardarine, Ostarine, Salbutamol, Clenbuterol, Thyroid meds, Insulin, Androgel and many peptides. You can guarantee that a NFL player will be using something mentioned above.
      
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      January 21, 2018 12:27pm
- lifesgood
  
  Good grief, who cares how much he weighs as long as he does the job, and he’s doing it well. Remember Lange…as wide as he was tall? Lefty too. What a sad, lonely individual you are worrying about Trump’s. Go and do something useful.
  
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  January 21, 2018 12:38pm
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Still waiting , still waiting … for this alleged four page document detailing horrendous abuses by the former President and FISA against Donald Trump and his campaign team .

“If only someone would release that terrible, terrible FISA memo! “

Sean Hannity says that Robert Mueller’s investigation is “over.” Instead, everyone should be emptying cells at Gitmo to handle President Obama and his cohorts because Republicans are shocked, shocked to find that “Donald Trump was right all along.” They have landed the definitive evidence that Obama “illegally wiretapped” Trump in the worst scandal ever.

What is that evidence? The dreaded FISA memo.

Several GOP lawmakers told Fox News earlier Thursday afternoon that the alleged abuses detailed in the four-page memo are “shocking….”

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/1734117

When will there waiting game ever end …?
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January 21, 2018 8:56am
- starboard
  
  Off to Starbucks today stooopidboy?
  Goin down for a perv?
  Checkin out all the underage nubile muslim girls in their tight jeans?
  Pervert, you and your fellow pedo rag heads should be locked up.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:01am
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    starboard , just focus on usefully linking the alleged “damning” four page FISA memo for us !
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:04am
    - ztev
      
      Is that a large font with extra line spacing to pad it out some.
      
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      January 21, 2018 11:26am
  - Gabby
    
    You’ll be there with your tits out starBubba?
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:46am
- VicParking
  
  Morning stephie. Goat kick you out of bed
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:28am
  - kowtow
    
    ‘A KENYAN man is behind bars for raping his mother’s two goats to death.’
    
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/5360819/animal-sex-beast-raped-mums-goats-jailed-kenya/
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:44am
    - cha
      
      An AUSTRALIAN man has been fined for ~~allowing~~ forcing a puppy to tongue his clacker.
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5287729/Man-defends-sex-acts-dog.html?mrn_rm=als1
      
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      January 21, 2018 10:00am
      - GoVege
        
        When are they going to get these stupid “bestiality” laws off the books.
        I read in Encyclopedia Brittanicca that an estimated 50% of males raised on farms have committed the dreaded act.
        That’s a lot of young guys to arrest. 🙂
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:43am
      - Gabby
        
        Where will they send him back to.
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:47am
      - stigie
        
        Are you saying Johnboy is one of the 50% GoVege..?
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:51am
    - GoVege
      
      Poor goats….but it’s better than young girls been attacked surely.
      I like the way they refer to the goats as having been “raped”, which implies the possibility of “consent”.
      The fact the poor goats died must demand a sentence of murder or goatslaughter shouldn’t it?
      Perhaps other animals that protest being killed can have their killers charged with murder?
      
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      January 21, 2018 12:00pm
    - VicParking
      
      Don’t speak about Stephie’s cousin like that
      
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      January 21, 2018 12:26pm
      - GoVege
        
        John Boy I recall says he is interspecies and proud.
        Yonks ago some poor French farmer was arrested for having sexual relations with his pig.
        In court, he declared : “I am the ugliest man in France. No woman will have me. If I kill my pig, that’s acceptable to the authorities, but if I make love to her, I am put in jail. Where is the justice? ”
        (Or something like that.)
        You know what it is….the Bible being written into civil law.)
        
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        January 21, 2018 7:01pm
- Harkman
  
  Yes that Obama was a dirty, filthy, anti-Western crook.
  
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  January 21, 2018 10:06am
  - Harkman
    
    The Obama lovers are out in full force today.
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:27am
  - stephieboy
    
    Harkman, go and see your shrink !
    
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    January 21, 2018 12:19pm
    - Harkman
      
      Go and preach a sermon.
      
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      January 21, 2018 12:29pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      Back from church – and straight back on to Kiwiblog to abuse people in an unchristian manner.
      
      You’ll be pleased to know that All on Red has organised a busload of Kiwibloggers who are keen to turn up next weekend and enjoy the Bible reading that you’re rostered on to do. I bet you’re excited!
      
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      January 21, 2018 12:37pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Pagans unwelcome !
        
        https://themirrorbook.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/pan-witch.jpg?w=350&h=200&crop=1
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Pagans unwelcome!
        
        Perhaps the Anglican Church is out-of-touch with its Mother Church back in England.
        
        There the call has gone out for Anglican priests to not only embrace pagans, but to create a “pagan church” in order to recruit new members.
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10133906/Church-of-England-creating-pagan-church-to-recruit-members.html
        
        Thank God I am an atheist.
        
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        January 21, 2018 2:12pm
      - ztev
        
        Too stupid for words maggy
        Church Mission Society is a sort of offshoot of the CE.
        
        ‘mission society working with the Anglican Communion, Protestant, and Orthodox Christians around the world. ‘
        
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        January 21, 2018 6:44pm
- Ross12
  
  Calm down stephieboy. The process has started but for some reason it will take 19 days.
  
  “Dave Joyce
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  @RepDaveJoyce
  Great news! Our efforts to #ReleaseTheMemo have been effective and the HPSIC plans to begin the process to release the FBI/FISA/Russia memo. This may take up to 19+ Congressional work days but Americans deserve to know the truth.
  
  8:25 AM – Jan 21, 2018
  970 970 Replies 2,284 2,284 Retweets 3,519 3,519 likes “
  
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  January 21, 2018 10:55am
  - cha
    
    Got my hands on Nunes’ memo.
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DT7wJpwW4AoeN_F.jpg
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:00am
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    Ross12 , waiting , waiting , waiting …
    
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    January 21, 2018 12:20pm
    - Ross12
      
      You are an absolute idiot and you remind us of it hourly.
      You asked a question. I answered it. End of story.
      
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      January 21, 2018 1:07pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Ross 12 , 19 days to wait ?
        
        Meanwhile ,
        
        What have Democrats said?
        
        “…Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee, has denounced the document as a “profoundly misleading set of talking points drafted by Republican staff attacking the FBI and its handling of the investigation.”
        
        “Rife with factual inaccuracies and referencing highly classified materials that most of Republican Intelligence Committee members were forced to acknowledge they had never read, this is meant only to give Republican House members a distorted view of the FBI,” he said in a statement….”
        
        https://www.theblaze.com/news/2018/01/20/top-republicans-demand-the-secret-fisa-memo-be-released-immediately-heres-what-theyre-saying
        
        Sigh yet again !
        
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        January 21, 2018 1:18pm
starboard

Nice. The treaty gravy train rolls on.
Rort after rort after rort.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/100542696/Ng-i-Tahu-and-Tainui-receive-370-million-in-Treaty-payment-top-ups-with-more-to-come
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January 21, 2018 8:58am
- EAD_TWO
  
  How does one actually get a say in this so called “democracy” of ours?
  
  On all the issues that most concerns ordinary Kiwis (immigration, Maori privilege, the TOW, political correctness, land sales) the blue and red teams are exactly the bl**dy same❗ (Remeber it was National that gave us Susan Devoy and Chris Finlayson)
  
  NZ Politics is nothing short of a Dog & Pony show.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:06am
  - ztev
    
    national gave you the treaty escalation clauses too, well it was Lord Graham
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:14am
    - starboard
      
      Oh yes, Montrose. I saw him before the courts sometime back for some sort of offending. An arrogant old fool. Sort of reminded me of all the lairbor criminal mp’s..taito tiler field, darren backdoor hughes..dover piss in your hallway samuels..I could go on and on and on
      Good night.
      
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      January 21, 2018 9:21am
      - ztev
        
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        Donna Awatere, Barclay, Worth, Wong….I could go on and on. Oh dont forget the waitress harasser.
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:12am
      - GazzaW
        
        Still got that JK fixation then ztev? I don’t recall Awatere being a Nat MP.
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:14pm
      - ztev
        
        Who said it had to be a national MP, their support party would do.
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:22pm
      - GazzaW
        
        In which case Labour will no doubt accept responsibility for Turei’s actions and in all probability do their best to facilitate the avoidance of charges.
        
        As for the ‘waitress harasser’ might I suggest that Dazza’s object of interest was a lot more intimate than a ponytail and his actions a lot more serious than ‘harassment’.
        
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        January 21, 2018 1:26pm
      - sam green
        
        Were they Gazza? Tell us all you know – while you’re at it, make a complaint to the police.
        
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        January 21, 2018 3:28pm
      - GazzaW
        
        A really stupid suggestion for comment 3001 sam. You know as well as I do that episode was one of the most shameful cover ups in recent parliamentary times and no single individual could prove otherwise. Why did Dazza do a runner on a oneway ticket and effectively terminate a promising political career if he had nothing to answer for? That’s my only comment.
        
        You can do better.
        
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        January 21, 2018 3:52pm
      - starboard
        
        Teenager seen running down the road naked from full moon kings house..hughes tried to sodomise the poor bastard by bending him over a swiss ball. What a lowlife filthy deviant scumbag that former liarbor mp is.
        
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        January 21, 2018 6:15pm
      - sam green
        
        You have no evidence – you have hearsay – go to the Police with that. Oh and that anonymous letter? Yours was it?
        
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        January 21, 2018 7:54pm
      - GazzaW
        
        So tell us sam why Dazza took it upon himself to abruptly terminate his very promising parliamentary career and book a very short notice one way ticket to Europe. A good Labour Party man like you would surely have the inside word. If not then how about ztev?
        
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        January 21, 2018 8:40pm
      - sam green
        
        Hearsay, innuendo and some well placed letters to journalists can impact on careers. Farrar advised him to go by the way.
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Why was an 18 yo running naked through the streets?
        
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        January 21, 2018 11:27pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  The ink was hardly dry on becoming government, it could be seen as already promised, I mean where were the hui, where were the announcements.
  
  lol at Andrew Little saying that they didn’t want to be accused of hiding the news in the Xmas hubbub so didn’t mention it. As there was little other news I am sure that it would have been talked about thoroughly over Xmas and the New Year.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:14am
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    How did that Maori vote go again? National would be accused of everything under the sun.
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:00am
  - ztev
    
    This was the second top up , first was in 2012. National would have delayed any negotiations sign off last year till after the election
    
    Original settlement signed :
    Tainui 22 May 1995
    Ngai Tahu 21st November 1997
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:22am
- Inandout
  
  This one was done in Labour’s new transparency era; in secret. Now we know why the roading jobs were stalled throughout NZ. I was under the impression Ngai Tahu were really wealthy now.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:15am
- kowtow
  
  It’s shocking.
  Will Radio Te Reo National lead its “news” with this taxpayer rip off , doubt it, not the kind of maori stuff they insist on pushing.
  
  Meanwhile from the link , this little gem;
  
  ‘Treaty Negotiations Minister Andrew Little said no-one had expressed unhappiness to him, although several members of the new Government were unaware of the clauses. ‘
  
  How the fuck could anyone in gummint not be aware of the rip off clauses?
  
  ‘Mike Butler takes issue with Ngai Tahu’s “perpetual complaining”.
  
  A more accurate headline for environmentalist Joseph Dougherty’s opinion piece, published on May 28, would be “Government under yoke of Ngai Tahu’s perpetual complaining”.
  
  Fourteen years after getting a $170 million payout, the South Island’s white tribe still has to defend against allegations of invented grievances and undeserved payments.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/complaint-industry-still-rambles
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:35am
Manolo

The blame game begins:
https://nypost.com/2018/01/20/trump-jokes-government-shutdown-is-present-from-democrats/

President Trump said Saturday he’s pleased Democrats marked his first year in office by giving him a government shutdown.
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January 21, 2018 9:01am
- VicParking
  
  The problem is that its not a GOP or Dem problem, its the ‘Gang of Sixes amnesty plan being pushed by Sen. Jeff Flake (R-AZ), Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Sen. Cory Gardner (R-CO), Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), Sen. Michael Bennet (D-CO), and Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ)’. They are the faces anyway as they don’t have Mid-Terms looming and are hoping the electorate has short memories.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:35am
  - Harkman
    
    Next time you see a Dem talking about immigration remember this. The one thing Dems don’t want most of all is a closed southern border. Why?
    1. It stops the endless supply of welfare dependant constituents, and
    2. Stops the drug flow to Hollywood and baked young people who vote Democrat.
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:12am
    - Ross12
      
      The Democrats said the same thing (in reverse) in 2013.
      It seems to me to be a crazy circus.
      
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      January 21, 2018 10:58am
    - ztev
      
      Closed southern border ?
      
      Theres the current work visas
      
      Theres the current business and tourist visa
      
      That works out around 1.5 million non immigrant visas per year from Mexico
      
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      January 21, 2018 11:09am
twofish

She announces she is pregnant the day after we learnt that the cancelled tax cuts for the middle-class, in order to get 88,000 out of poverty, was a myth, a lie.

Seem a little mean? Well, maybe the same goes for the Shane Jones’ step back on planting 100 million trees – news drowned also by JacindaBabyMania …

“The Government will only boost the current 50 million trees bring planted annually by 10 percent this year, Mr Jones says. That would bring the total to 55 million – well short of the target.”

No, Shane, it would bring the new coalition target planting to only 5 million – a fucking great deal shorter of the target.
Although you are New Zealand First, don’t go all bloody Labour on us with your buggered up maths.

Very early on someone on WhaleOil had figured out that 100 million trees planted 3 metres apart would amount to needing a strip of land equivalent to 1 kilometre wide but stretching from Wellington Airport to Auckland Airport following State Highway 1 and reaching back still 1 km deep, other side of the highway, to 2 km short of Taupo.

Shane himself says land is about $8000 a hectare.
So, yes, the strip described may cost about $719,200,000 – close to three-quarters of a billion dollars (see, $1b per annum Regional Development Provincial Growth Fund, NZ Labour Party &NZ First 52nd Parliament Coalition Agreement) – plus tillage to suitable standards for planting seedlings, of which it is reported “there are only 4 million seedlings available to plant, and the government has taken them all”. (What is the “shelf-life” of seedlings when you don’t have land to plant them out?)

So you should first train you nephews, Shane, in forest husbandry (if that is still a PC term) to raise at least 1 million more seedlings to meet you new 5 million target – a mere twentieth of what you were boasting about getting your couzzies off their couches to plant.

Jacinda’s baby will be a young lumberjack or ‘jill’, before you get your first 100 million trees planted.
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January 21, 2018 9:01am
- VicParking
  
  Shes not a Rabbit so she will find it hard to pop out a Baby every time Labour Tells a lie or makes a Fkup.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:38am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What is the “shelf-life” of seedlings when you don’t have land to plant them out?)
  
  There really is no shelf-life for mass-produced seedlings… if they remain another year in their containers/beds they will become root-bound and possibly nutrient deficient.
  It would be uneconomical to repot or root prune each seedling .
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:49am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Then irresponsible of the Govt to buy what had been sown for others that have the land ready to plant?
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:02am
- Sofia
  
  It is a joke, there are only 4 million seedlings available to plant, and the government has taken them all…that is still 96 million seedlings short for the first year.
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/01/billions-trees-not-fast-itll-half-billion/#more-358269
  
  The Government will only boost the current 50 million trees being planted annually by 10 percent this year, Mr Jones says.
  
  So from these two statements, does it mean –
  
  1 – Coalition planters have 4 million of the seedlings that non-coalition planting would otherwise plant, so they will only plant 46 million trees this period, not the usual 50 million – thus, coalition inaction has actually lead to a 4 million decrease already in the number of trees normally planted.
  
  2 – If non-coalition planters have ready planted their full 50 million quota for this period, what do they know about perhaps more appropriate planting time, considering coalition planters have only just acquired 4 million seedlings but yet haven’t planted them?
  
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  January 21, 2018 12:21pm
  - softail 1450
    
    i would bet my house none of those seedlings will survive if the COL are organising the planting,they will die in their little seedling boxes waiting for these idiots to make up their minds who to allocate the planting to,,,
    
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    January 21, 2018 3:25pm
Manolo

Throw the book at the bastard:
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2018/01/19/rene-boucher-harged-felony-assault-against-bowling-green-neighbor-rand-paul/1049945001/

Rene Boucher, the 58-year-old Bowling Green man accused of attacking U.S. Sen. Rand Paul at his home in November, has been charged with assaulting a member of congress resulting in personal injury.

The charges – a federal felony – were announced Friday by Josh J. Minkler, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Indiana.
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January 21, 2018 9:13am
- ztev
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Try to keep up.
  The Dude has pleaded guilty ( like some of Trumps team)
  
  ‘In exchange for his plea, federal prosecutors have agreed to ask for a sentence of 21 months in prison.’
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:35am
Chuck Bird

Another great day in paradise. Yesterday I went black water rafting at Waitomo with my children and grandchildren. I would certainly recommend it. The guides are excellent.

http://www.waitomo.com/black-water-rafting/Pages/default.aspx
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January 21, 2018 9:16am
Scott

Just while we are on the subject of the NZ taxpayer being ripped off, I notice on stuff this morning that Ngai Tahu and Tainui have quietly just been paid $370 million of top up relativity payments! This is despite them already having had their full and final settlements! They will get even more because the crown has exceeded their billion dollar cap.
And there are still 47 claims still being processed! National promised to finish the settlement process. When is it ever going to be finished? Labour sure as heck will never finish it.
As an electorate we need to wake up. Our politicians are making massive transfer payments of hundreds of millions of dollars to one group of people for the supposed wrongs of the 19th century. Now that we are in the 21st century we can ask when will this ever end?
The best part of 200 years later and our government shows no sign of wrapping this up. Can white liberal guilt last forever? Cmon people let’s man up and finish this thing!
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January 21, 2018 9:18am
- Digmen1
  
  As you said, it was National that did most of the deals. Labour did the first few big ones and then went on hold.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:35am
- krazykiwi
  
  Sorry Scott, downticked by mistake. Fully agree with you
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:39am
- VicParking
  
  Well said Scott. It seems that the sins of our Fathers will not go away. The worst part is all this money has gone down a black hole. Maori are still the majority in Prison, still the lowest educated, still lead family violence, still unemployable. The only visible gains I see from the settlements is the profits of the BMW francises going up.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:45am
- MrLovebucket
  
  This is the reason why I go to work. So I can contribute tax for such a worthwhile cause.
  
  I can’t help wonder how awesome NZ might actually be without this treaty cancer nonsense.
  
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  January 21, 2018 5:58pm
ztev

“National promised to finish the settlement process.”

Yes they did in 2008, surely you remember the KB site counter ticking off the days till 2014!

hahahaha
I think that was later ‘changed’ to a guesstimate of 2016!!
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January 21, 2018 9:38am
- Digmen1
  
  Well National did do a lot of them, like it or not.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:41am
  - kowtow
    
    National ?
    
    Ngati Notional , sold its own principles and the nation down the drain .
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:19am
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    Why didnt they promise ‘a lot of them’
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:02am
- GazzaW
  
  Judging by the cockahoop tone of your post ztev can we therefore assume that Labour will be terminating the gravy train this term or maybe the next?
  
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  January 21, 2018 11:12am
Digmen1

What will the UN or the USA do about Turkey when it goes into that Kurdish enclave in Syria?

It could get nasty.

I see the UN has already asked for restraint. Just asked, mind you.
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January 21, 2018 9:40am
- VicParking
  
  Nothing as long as there is a veto to be had in the security council.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:47am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s too late.
  Turkey has launched air-raids on the Kurds and the FSA are on the ground in Syrian territory.
  http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/erdogan-operation-syria-afrin-begun-180120120424928.html
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:55am
  - kowtow
    
    They’ve been firing shells into them for the past few days.
    
    Turkey is an aspirant member of the EU and in NATO .
    
    Does not deserve to be in either.
    
    Another oppressive Muslim regime , but our media largely ignore this .
    
    No one will stnd up or the Kurds , they’re fucked.
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:21am
    - stephieboy
      
      kowtow , will Donald Trump ?
      
      “.. but our media largely ignore this “ ???
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11975140
      
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      January 21, 2018 12:13pm
    - Digmen1
      
      Yes, I always wanted there to be a Kurdistan. Cut out from Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq.
      
      They would all be better off, and more homogenous.
      
      But they blundered with that Independence referrendum as they weren’t ready for the backlash.
      
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      January 21, 2018 12:48pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Digmen1 , yes it would be good to see an Independent Kurdistan . However so far the important players in this ( including the US ) don’t want to see to happen ,
        
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        January 21, 2018 1:27pm
- Paulus
  
  The area is close by the new Syrian Russian Federation which Putin has now established s his Mediterranean Bases – Latakia Port and the local Airfield.
  When Putin went there recently to inspect the new Russia Territory Assad was refused photographic access to Putin and deliberately told this was Russia now – stay away – no pictures either.
  
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  January 21, 2018 10:47am
  - ztev
    
    A wharf at a port and one side of the local airport !
    
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    January 21, 2018 12:24pm
- Gabby
  
  The US will check they’re sorted for ammo dicman.
  
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  January 21, 2018 12:02pm
Jack5

The National Government’s sweetheart settlement deal with Ngai Tahu was always going to come back and bite National in the arse.

Now it’s happening.

The deal was negotiated for Ngai Tahu by then lawyer Chris Finlayson (now National MP). On the other side of the deal was Sir Douglas Graham.

The top-up clauses are featured in the report linked to below. What isn’t mentioned is that the Ngai Tahu deal gave the tribe first (and second) rights of purchase to State assets being disposed of in the South Island – FOR EVER!

With the colossal hand-outs of taxpayers’ cash and assets to them, it’s time the many busineses owned Ngai Tahu and the Waikato Maori started paying comany tax, too. (They are sheltered by being registered as group charities.)

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100542696/ngi-tahu-and-tainui-receive-370-million-in-treaty-payment-topups-with-more-to-come
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January 21, 2018 9:41am
- Jack5
  
  Whoops, Scott, sorry, didn’t at first notice you had already started discussion on this topic.
  
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  January 21, 2018 9:48am
krazykiwi

DPF’s Curia has just released a poll on abortion law reform. Doesn’t make happy reading for the reform supporters
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January 21, 2018 9:42am
- ztev
  
  Dueling polls.
  http://alranz.org/change-the-law/2017-national-poll-results/
  
  Are you talking about Family Firsts Poll?
  
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  January 21, 2018 11:01am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    We effectively have abortion on demand but with a few hoops. I have asked ALRANZ if the is a time limit or if they believe any woman can choose to have an abortion at 8 months as a right for any or no reason?
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:05pm
  - MrTips
    
    The ALRANZ poll is a yr old. And ALRANZ is only Terry Balmanak or whatever her name is. She’s unreliable and not very believable. Family Firsts poll is more recent, ie. now.
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:18pm
Inandout

The Vegas mass shooting is getting curiouser and curiouser. The case was originally given to minor local investigators, most unusual given the enormity of the crime. The Vegas Police head looked decidedly uncomfortable when he announced they were going to indict a second person, not being Paddock’s mistress. The casino operators are nervous about losing business, victims’ lawyers are gearing up for a fight, and there are questions about Paddock’s motives. If there is any ISIS involvement you can be sure the lawyers will use this as ammunition, and nothing the Sheriff says to quash this rumour will be be enough. The longer information is suppressed the more theories will surface.
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January 21, 2018 9:57am
- Harkman
  
  He obviously hated Conservatives to attack a country music event.
  
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  January 21, 2018 10:14am
  - cha
    
    Country music ain’t conservative music.
    
    Of the 87 artists currently on either Billboard’s Top Country Albums or Hot Country Songs charts, only five (Simpson, Moore, Janson, Maren Morris, and the Brothers Osborne) have gone on the record with a clearly favorable or unfavorable opinion of Trump or his policy proposals from the beginning of the 2016 campaign to the time of this posting, according to an analysis by BuzzFeed News.
    
    https://www.buzzfeed.com/reggieugwu/country-stars-and-donald-trump?utm_term=.utnDDDj5B0#.udnVVV7yGO
    
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    January 21, 2018 10:49am
    - Harkman
      
      Yes that’s right, Democrats listen to country music.
      
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      January 21, 2018 11:04am
      - stephieboy
        
        “Bruce Springsteen’s Enduring Effect on the Country Charts Influences Two Top 10 Singles”
        
        https://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/country/1097014/bruce-springsteens-enduring-effect-on-the-country-charts-influences-two
        
        LOL
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        Is Springsteen a hero of yours, Stephiestupid?
        
        You like his Bored in the USA?
        
        Springsteen’s mumble-fuck enunciation does have some parallel to your knowledge of English idiom and command of the placement of fullstops (space, then fullstop – Hell’s teeth).
        
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        January 21, 2018 12:16pm
  - Lance
    
    Well as we all know there are two types of music
    1. Country
    2. Western
    
    Clearly country is more liberal than western so he was attacking liberalism
    
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    January 21, 2018 3:40pm
Digmen1

I hope they charge his g/f she helped him load all of those guns.
“Why are we loading all of these guns darling?
“Me shoot them long time”
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January 21, 2018 10:08am
Liberty

What else can you expect from Col. When the PM is more concerned about making babies.
The inept Green are in control of transport. And all cocooned in the big house.
Right on Target for their socialist agenda. Transport returns to what Lange
once described as a ‘Polish shipyard” The fact Poland has long since moved out of the 3rd world.
Why the hell should we go back to it.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/100741569/wellington-passengers-left-stranded-till-430am-metlink-sorry-but-no-refund
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January 21, 2018 10:22am
- ztev
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Julie Anne Genter as an Assistant Minister of Transport is only in charge of safety.
  Stop lying
  
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  January 21, 2018 10:55am
  - Harkman
    
    Julie Anne Genter should not be allowed in our Parliament.
    
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    January 21, 2018 11:06am
  - Liberty
    
    Ztev
    If safety is Genters only responsibility. Having passengers having to hang around
    Some seedy waiting station in the early hours of the morning . Is hardly safe.
    You are also being a hypocrite which is nothing out of the normal for you.
    To accuse a poster of lying while making bullshit into an art form is bad form.
    Do try and tell the difference between a lie and opinion.
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:39pm
    - cha
      
      Aww, poor widdle snoflakes pissing and moaning about being held up for 90 minutes …..
      
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      January 21, 2018 1:52pm
Paulus

Didn’t Lange undergo Stomach Reduction Surgery whilst PM – better than a baby – which actually didn’t work – so why the bitching about Paula Bennett having the same recently.
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January 21, 2018 10:52am
- sam green
  
  Who’s bitching?
  
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  January 21, 2018 3:42pm
  - sam green
    
    Most people were supportive and suggested she get a heart transplant at the same time.
    
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    January 21, 2018 7:15pm
Inandout

Nothing like getting rid of the competition. LOL
https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/100752285/police-investigating-spate-of-suspicious-fires-near-ashburton

http://www.ashburtoncourier.co.nz/community/muslims-find-direction-in-old-church
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January 21, 2018 11:07am
Humble Capitalist

Our great Minister of Racing was at the Wellington Cup races yesterday to present the cup. I bet the crayfish sandwiches tasted lovely up in the corporate box while the hospitality crew ran around like some sort of royalty was in the house. In case you missed the Cup result it was Winston First, Obese iPhone owners in Poverdy second, hard working middle NZ & the NZ economy a long distant last
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January 21, 2018 11:37am
doggone7

I see Kiwiblog got a mention on another site:

https://subzpsubzp.blogspot.co.nz/2018/01/farrars-honeymoon-scam_19.html
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January 21, 2018 11:44am
- Nostradamus
  
  Doggone:
  
  You’ve linked to https://subzpsubzp.blogspot.co.nz/2018/01/farrars-honeymoon-scam_19.html (note the .co.nz). The link transfers to https://subzpsubzp.blogspot.com.au/2018/01/farrars-honeymoon-scam_19.html (note the .com.au).
  
  It appears that you’ve deliberately modified the URL – unless you have an alternative explanation?
  
  Why is “Swordfish” (apparently writing on an Australian-hosted blog) so obsessed with DPF that he or she has written a long blog post (21 pages long when I copied and pasted it into Microsoft Word)?
  
  After a decade of reading these Kiwiblog poll analyses, if I was to summarise his trademark modus operandi, I would suggest Farrar tends to weave together: (a) one or two little nuggets of unimpeachable fact (to add a sense of plausibility), (b) a degree of outright fabrication, (c) omissions and silence on crucial contextual issues that might otherwise undermine his narrative, (d) what might be called creative ambiguity.
  
  In essence, Farrar employs ambiguity and omission to mislead and manipulate the media – dancing merrily through that precarious space between fact and fiction. He delights in leading time-starved journos up the garden path, leaving very strong (and very false) impressions, while never quite explicitly spelling them out (thus allowing himself just enough wiggle room for plausible deniability). In short: he sets out 2+2 in such a way that visiting journos will almost inevitably conclude the answer is 5.
  
  Is this dirty politics from the left?
  
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  January 21, 2018 12:49pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Do you really need an answer to that Nostra?
    
    Who else but a hardcore leftie, probably an academic, would go to the trouble of writing thousands of words to try and discredit DPF when his links to the National Party are well known.
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:10pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Keeping Stock:
      
      You’ll be interested to know that the 19 March 2016 blog post was dedicated to you:
      
      Commenting on Kiwiblog a couple of days ago, Right-Wing Blogger and National Party cheerleader, Keeping Stock suggested “Labour’s poll ratings are heading south at an alarming rate”.
      
      The rest of the blog post sets about trying to discredit your suggestion.
      
      Can you think of anyone (perhaps someone who comments on Kiwiblog) who might have written the blog post? I can think of one person in particular…
      
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      January 21, 2018 1:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Good men…
        I had a look at the link, but after a few lines of boredom, decided tl:dr.
        
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        January 21, 2018 2:27pm
    - Reddy
      
      You mean people with links to the National Party discredit themselves from the start? I agree!
      
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      February 10, 2018 4:13pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Doggone:
    
    Here’s something else you might like to explain.
    
    The Sub-Zero Politics blog you’ve linked to has a total of 10 posts:
    
    – 6 posts in 2016 (8 December 2016; 28 November 2016; 5 April 2016; 19 March 2016; 14 March 2016; and 2 x 7 March 2016).
    
    – 1 post in 2017 (23 February 2017).
    
    – 1 post in 2018 (19 January 2018).
    
    So, in summary, Sub-Zero Politics is an inactive blog. After a long period of inactivity since 23 February 2017, a new post is suddenly added on 19 January 2018, and you pop up out of the woodwork to tell us about it just 2 days later. Fascinating! It appears that you have a connection with Sub-Zero Politics that you’ve forgotten to tell us about?Doggone:
    
    Here’s something else you might like to explain.
    
    The Sub-Zero Politics blog you’ve linked to has a total of 10 posts:
    
    – 6 posts in 2016 (8 December 2016; 28 November 2016; 5 April 2016; 19 March 2016; 14 March 2016; and 2 x 7 March 2016).
    
    – 1 post in 2017 (23 February 2017).
    
    – 1 post in 2018 (19 January 2018).
    
    So, in summary, Sub-Zero Politics is an inactive blog. After a long period of inactivity since 23 February 2017, a new post is suddenly added on 19 January 2018, and you pop up out of the woodwork to tell us about it just 2 days later. Fascinating! It appears that you have a connection with Sub-Zero Politics that you’ve forgotten to tell us about?
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:17pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Oh dear – I seem to have written the same thing twice in my 1:17pm comment. It’s ok, Doggone. You only need to answer once. 🙂
      
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      January 21, 2018 1:28pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Ah I see. Swordfish commented at The Standard yesterday.
      
      https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-20-01-2018/#comment-1437905
      
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      January 21, 2018 2:17pm
    - doggone7
      
      Something so simple to hit a soft spot as it did and elicit such responses…
      
      You surely can’t be suggesting that the premise of Honeymoon Scam is wrong because of some history of some site? That’s as irrational as the claim about any connection to Sub-Zero Politics.
      
      And adding the fatuous ‘dirty politics from the left’ as the other answer to the Honeymoon Scam, ‘dirty politics from the right’ (to use your idiom)?
      
      At least some who saw the article and though,”…mmm…” had the sense to shut up.
      
      Thanks for one good thing from the feedback though. Next time in church when our Pastor quotes the Bible I’ll (politely) suggest that his source is irrelevant seeing as its an inactive blog!
      
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      January 21, 2018 2:29pm
  - MrTips
    
    Not dirty politics. More like psych disturbance.
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:20pm
    - sam green
      
      Makes for good reading. It’s about time Farrar’s methods were critiqued. Come on guys – you don’t want to live in an echo chamber. Oh …….
      
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      January 21, 2018 4:40pm
  - Reddy
    
    Guys, have you actually read the analysis? It’s excellent.
    
    https://subzpsubzp.blogspot.co.nz/2018/01/farrars-honeymoon-scam_19.html?spref=fb&m=1
    
    It shows that your beloved DPF is making shit up and you are swallowing every word. Wake up!
    
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    February 10, 2018 4:09pm
stephieboy

“What Donald Trump’s Mental Health Exam Doesn’t Tell Us”

His deluded thinking and behaviour ,

More here and notably this ,

“ The White House physician reported Tuesday that President Trump is in “excellent” overall health based on a four-hour examination. At Trump’s request, said Dr. Ronny Jackson, this included a common test of cognitive ability on which the President reportedly scored a perfect 30 out of 30.

Trump, who has famously bragged about his intelligence on Twitter, wasted no time in brandishing his score. In an interview with Reuters Wednesday, he blamed his three most recent predecessors for their failure regarding North Korea, and said, “I guess they all realized they were going to have to leave it to a president that scored the highest on tests….”

http://time.com/5106569/donald-trump-mental-health-exam/?utm_source=time.com&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=the-brief&utm_content=2018011818pm&xid=newsletter-brief
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January 21, 2018 12:07pm
- Jack5
  
  Stephiestupid: How about all the crazy Muslims because of repeated first-cousin marriages?
  
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  January 21, 2018 12:14pm
  - Paulus
    
    Consanguinity does not only occur in Muslims – it happens all over the world where “intermarriage” using an old fashion word exists.
    In the UK the Health system is reeling as the mental cases mount up from very young people who are products of inter relationships – of course Muslim communities where any female is seen from a very young age as a cash cow, and is expected to produce to any male every 12 years and reproduce on a continual basis – look at the the relative birth rates of Muslims in all countries.
    
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    January 21, 2018 1:57pm
- Inandout
  
  Good on you Trump.
  
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  January 21, 2018 12:28pm
- softail 1450
  
  streppieboy,,,just F O will you strepp….you would have to be the most negative POS I’ve ever encountered on any blog anywhere,i pity your family …..
  
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  January 21, 2018 3:18pm
Jack5

Good Matt cartoon at the Telegraph.

The suggested English Channel bridge has a sign on it: “drive on left till about half way across.”
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January 21, 2018 12:13pm
Manolo

Griff and stephieboy are worried:
http://www.climatedepot.com/2018/01/20/study-concern-over-climate-change-linked-to-depression-anxiety-restless-nights-feelings-of-loneliness-and-lethargy/

Depression and anxiety are afflicting those
concerned at the fate of the environment, according to a study of the mental health effects of climate change.

Those hit hardest are women and people with low incomes who worry about the planet’s long-term health, said the study published this week in the journal Global Environmental Change.
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January 21, 2018 1:58pm
- cmm
  
  “Depression and anxiety are afflicting those
  concerned at the fate of the environment”
  
  If you think they’re bad, have a look at the nutters who still think Venezuelan is still on track to be a paradise and is just going a little rough patch (caused by the CIA of course).
  
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  January 21, 2018 4:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Did anyone here manage to get on to Rocketlab’s live site to view the Launch?

It wasn’t working for me… or a colleague on west coast.
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January 21, 2018 2:58pm
- Viking2
  
  Missed it but it’s up on stuff if you want to see it.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/100757521/rocket-lab-launches-electron-test-rocket-from-mhia-peninsula-hawkes-bay?cid=facebook.post.100757521
  
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  January 21, 2018 3:25pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    That’s pretty spectacular! ?
    
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    January 21, 2018 5:37pm
Chuck Bird

I heard a very good interview of Owen Glenn on RadilLive just after 1:30.

He donated $50k each to Labour and National and did not receive a think you from either.

Did anyone else hear the interview?
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January 21, 2018 3:09pm
- Viking2
  
  Winny will be pissed. No donation this year.
  
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  January 21, 2018 3:26pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    He declined one according to Sir Owen.
    
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    January 21, 2018 3:31pm
    - ztev
      
      Was it really $50k ?
      
      I say that because it must be logged with Elections NZ for publication within 10 days of them recieveing it.
      http://www.elections.org.nz/parties-candidates/registered-political-parties/party-donations/donations-exceeding-30000/returns
      
      last big donation was Oct 20th.
      
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      January 21, 2018 6:51pm
Viking2

Another 100 day promise gone.

The new Immigration Minister has pledged that regions with “genuine skill shortages” will get the migrants they need.

Minister Iain Lees-Galloway said during a visit to Marlborough the new Government did not have a set target to cut migrants arriving to New Zealand.

Under current policy, Labour estimated net migration would fall by 20,000 to 30,000 a year, mostly by tightening the number of people granted student and work visas.

Lees-Galloway said the Government’s plan to “regionalise” migration would make it easier for regions with shortages to gain migrants and move migrants away from Auckland.

“We do not have a target for reducing overall net migration and actually as our plans take a more regional approach to migration, [the plan] will actually serve the Marlborough region extremely well,” he said.

“We want to make sure that those labour and skill gaps are being filled both by immigration and by other means because we do need to make sure those 70,000 young people in New Zealand who are not in work or training have opportunities to get into work as well,.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/100707545/government-plans-to-regionalise-migration-away-from-auckland–minister
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January 21, 2018 3:23pm
- Digmen1
  
  Not here please. In the BOP.
  We have far too many foreign “students” doing cooking courses and making pizzas.
  Yet in nearby Rotorua
  2,400 people applied for 100 jobs at a new K mart!
  
  Two thousand four hundred! People wanting a new job!
  
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  January 21, 2018 5:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  V2 , apart from possibly restricting immigration to whites only what is your solution ?
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:47pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Racist!
    
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    January 21, 2018 8:53pm
Monique Watson

Nasty nasty. And this is why I’d rather be waterboarded than work in an all female office. Liz Jones takes a poke at pregnant New Zealand Pm, sledging the new moms she’s ever worked with and conveniently ignoring other reasons why females might be off their game like the scores of single broads that crawl into the office hungover and off their game:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5293227/LIZ-JONES-pregnant-PM-betraying-voters.html#readerCommentsCommand-message-field
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January 21, 2018 3:32pm
- Pharmachick
  
  +1 Monique, +1!
  
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  January 21, 2018 4:12pm
Lance

Rocket Lab successfully launched their 12 tonne prototype rocket into orbit (27,000 km/h) and deployed the payload today
Well done guys and gals.

Bloody historic moment, NZ a space race contender
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January 21, 2018 3:46pm
- Digmen1
  
  Well done.
  Two years ago I never believed they could do it.
  
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  January 21, 2018 5:11pm
- GazzaW
  
  Yeah. Good on Jacinda. It’s just amazing what that woman has achieved in her first 100 days.
  
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  January 21, 2018 5:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  NZ a space race contender
  
  NZ is just a launch location for the USA company Rocket Lab.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Lab
  
  Rocket Lab is a private company, with major investors including Khosla Ventures, Bessemer Venture Partners, Data Collective, Promus Ventures, Lockheed Martin and K1W1.
  
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  January 21, 2018 6:14pm
  - nasska
    
    Doesn’t matter. Labour will claim it as a victory for the Glorious People’s Princess & socialism.
    
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    January 21, 2018 6:30pm
  - Digmen1
    
    I think the basic design is Kiwi, Peter Beck, but yes with investors money.
    
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    January 21, 2018 6:47pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, the NZ side of the story is good …
      but what oversight does NZ have with respect to the types of satellites that are going to be launched each month?
      
      What is the involvement of the US/ US military?
      Will there be any spyware?
      
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      January 21, 2018 7:09pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        It’s business Maggy, someone somewhere would launch whatever is paid for launching. The alternative is limiting what they will launch, which doesn’t pay for expensive rocket launches.
        
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        January 21, 2018 7:32pm
      - Viking2
        
        Are you up to something illegal Maggy.
        Worried about a personal spy satellite targeting your nest in Gissy?
        
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        January 21, 2018 8:01pm
    - Viking2
      
      Beck said today that they are fully booked for the next year with one launch a month. The gear is all made and sitting in a warehouse in the USA.
      Only 13 countries have ever achieved a space payload.
      
      Real cool story. The pity is that Kiwi’s have lost control.
      
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      January 21, 2018 8:00pm
billr

Thankfully we don’t have any judges like this here:

http://www.statesman.com/news/crime–law/texas-judge-interrupts-jury-says-god-told-him-defendant-not-guilty/ZRdGbT7xPu7lc6kMMPeWKL/
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January 21, 2018 4:40pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  We had that Canadian lunatic who let David Bain off. I think he was hearing voices.
  
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  January 21, 2018 5:51pm
  - Longknives
    
    Jesus Christ don’t mention the ‘Bain’ word!!
    You will summon the Demons of Judith,Rowan,Notsofast and Nostalgia…
    
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    January 21, 2018 6:00pm
- nasska
  
  The delusions of the Godaddled defy sanity.
  
  We have to share one earth with such lunatics.
  
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  January 21, 2018 6:24pm
Monique Watson

Yeah nah I’m too old to drink now, Pharma and after five kids I’m all done being pregnant. I did adopt a dog. A Chiweenie. Part chihuahua and part wiener. Loyal as fuck. Kids will eventually leave but dogs won’t.
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January 21, 2018 5:51pm
- GoVege
  
  I’m afraid they do leave, Monique, and much sooner than kids do.
  I still dream I’m having more babies.
  Last night the nurse is saying….this is amazing at (my age).
  Then I say “and I’m having another one!”
  Then I wake up…..
  
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  January 21, 2018 6:48pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    What a bloody nightmare.
    
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    January 21, 2018 7:21pm
Longknives

I just read on a Labour friend’s Facebook –

“Jacinda is Awesome but lets not forget Clarke- A Role Model for Progressive Men Worldwide”

Call me a Feminist if you like but-
Is this the same Clarke Gayford who openly bragged about his Threesomes and his ‘Hundreds’ of Sexual Conquests??
‘Role Model’??
If he was from National or Act he would be labelled a Sexual Predator…
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January 21, 2018 6:05pm
- GoVege
  
  If he did…that’s the old Clarke. 🙂
  
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  January 21, 2018 6:42pm
  - starboard
    
    Once a rooter, always a rooter.
    
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    January 21, 2018 6:50pm
starboard

A pregnant unmarried silly wee school girl is our Prime Minister. Our Finance Minister is a homosexual. Dear oh dear.
Aww well..at least its a given they are one termers.
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January 21, 2018 6:27pm
Monique Watson

Fuck of course, they are not married. They should really think of the kids and get hitched before bubs arrives. I have unmarried siblings with kids; it’s just so half-assed not to validate your union in front of friends and family; also for purposes of keeping records of familial descent; genealogy and history and the kids suffer if the parents aren’t married, particulary between the ages of approx seven and thirteen if their classmates get wind of it. Guess what they get called.
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January 21, 2018 6:40pm
- nasska
  
  Hyphenated names usually.
  
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  January 21, 2018 6:43pm
starboard

Think of the message she is sending. Yeah bun in the oven, no sweat. No husband, just an ex playboy boyfriend whos shagged half of Auckland.
Hey Im old fashioned…big fuckin deal.
SHES THE PM FOR FUCKS SAKE.
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January 21, 2018 6:46pm
- sam green
  
  Double standards old boy. What about the serial rooters in the game – both sides – you know who they are – some have even been PM.
  
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  January 21, 2018 6:56pm
  - Longknives
    
    Do you live in Auckland Sam Green?
    Your boy Clarke has quite the name for himself around Ponsonby way.
    And rumours persist..
    
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    January 21, 2018 7:00pm
    - sam green
      
      I live in the Bay. He’s not my boy by the way. Rumours persist about our incumbent representative too – and that old bugger Brash etc etc etc. Pot kettle.
      
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      January 21, 2018 7:05pm
      - doggone7
        
        ‘The’ Bay?
        
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        January 21, 2018 7:13pm
      - sam green
        
        Well – The BoP.
        
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        January 21, 2018 7:18pm
      - nasska
        
        Where men are men & goats worry. 🙂
        
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        January 21, 2018 7:21pm
      - sam green
        
        Haven’t seen many goats lately – bit of a dry spell.
        
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        January 21, 2018 7:37pm
- lifesgood
  
  She’s a disgrace.
  
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  January 21, 2018 7:17pm
- stigie
  
  But now our Prime Minister !~
  
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  January 21, 2018 7:41pm
  - Harriet
    
    part time.
    
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    January 21, 2018 7:47pm
- Viking2
  
  Could be fun if some ex comes out of the woodwork claiming he is father of some brat. 😆
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:05pm
Monique Watson

Homoxuals I have no problem with. I’d far rather hang out with a horde of raging lesbians than attend a a PTA meeting over the way at Pleasantville High.
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January 21, 2018 6:52pm
- Harriet
  
  Take a peg in case the place has no windows. 😎
  
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  January 21, 2018 6:59pm
- Longknives
  
  Monique and a ‘Horde of Raging Lesbians’??
  Giggity!
  
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  January 21, 2018 7:02pm
Monique Watson

Those hypenated names can cause real issues. And it’s going to limit the number of choices for the Ardern-Gayfords. They are going to have real regrets if they choose a name beginning with B, D, (definitely F) H, N, S, (and don’t go anywhere near V or little Victoria will get an unfortunate nickname.)
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January 21, 2018 6:58pm
Harriet

Best t-shirt ever:

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5436697e2e68ff118e5383c17eeb635118e33db8cf75f40dad1054344742bab6.jpg
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January 21, 2018 7:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  Harriet , even better ,
  
  https://img1.etsystatic.com/168/0/10153800/il_340x270.1246940455_jiwa.jpg
  Or this might take the alt right’s fancy,
  
  https://image.spreadshirtmedia.com/image-server/v1/mp/products/P1024956752T348A348MPC1037032437PA532PT17/views/1,width=1200,height=630,appearanceId=348,backgroundColor=E8E8E8,modelId=362,crop=design,version=1510588815/alt-right-nazis-t-shirts-women-s-v-neck-t-shirt.jpg
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:12pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Who’s Alt Right on Kiwiblog Stephie?
    Hey, speaking of delete, don’t you think Father John is going to go- Delete Ralph!
    Oh the shame.
    
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    January 21, 2018 8:17pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Weak ,
      
      http://images.gawker.com/1861v44hht7myjpg/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800.jpg
      
      LOL
      
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      January 21, 2018 8:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Self portrait Stephie?
        After all your porn watching I would have thought your arms would be stronger.
        Edit- actually I know you are old. All you can probably do is watch.
        You like to watch huh
        
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        January 21, 2018 8:50pm
starboard

Just like the liarbor party..the whole things a sick twisted nightmare. Ardern aside..these fucks couldnt run a bath.
Look at the line up. Its a freak show. Reminds me of the star wars movie bar scene. *shakes head*…im goin out for phad thai * shakes head again*
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January 21, 2018 7:05pm
- Longknives
  
  “Reminds me of the Star Wars movie bar scene”
  
  Captain Solo shot first Starboard!
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_shot_first
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:30pm
Monique Watson

Just asked my teenage son if he knew what “giggity” meant. His laconic answer was: “Yeah”.
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January 21, 2018 7:08pm
- nasska
  
  That takes me back a while Monique. People of my parent’s age used to refer to “giggety gig” & “a bit of how’s your father”.
  
  Action between queers was known as “the beast with two backs” while having a wank was “waxing the dolphin”. Fortunately the all encompassing “fuck” has reduced the need for most euphemisms. 🙂
  
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  January 21, 2018 7:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Iago:
    “I am one, sir, that comes to tell you your daughter and the Moor are now making the beast with two backs.”
    
    Othello – W. Shakespeare.
    
    “In the vigour of his age he married Gargamelle, daughter to the King of the Parpaillons, a jolly pug, and well-mouthed wench. These two did oftentimes do the two-backed beast together, joyfully rubbing and frotting their bacon ‘gainst one another.”
    Gargantua and Pantagruel -Rabelais
    
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    January 21, 2018 7:39pm
Monique Watson

Neither hubby or son had heard of the phrase “waxing the dolphin ” 🙂 but were able to infer the meaning.
A couple from the teen in the house and some examples of popular 8th Grade vernacular:
“Polishing the Slim Jim”. Aka “The Knuckle Shuffle”.
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January 21, 2018 7:35pm
- nasska
  
  In 1962 I was sent to a Xtian boarding school as a callow youth but one whose parents were sure was possessed & destined for borstal. Two months into the 3rd form one of the 6th formers (who as irony would have it played the chapel organ) & his boyfriend (a senior house prefect) were discovered “in coitus delicti” or something like that.
  
  The Headmaster, a man of incredible stupidity & full of religious shit, spent half an hour at the next morning’s assembly raving about damnation & “the beast with two backs”.
  
  Not one of us in the junior school knew what the half wit was on about. 🙂
  
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  January 21, 2018 7:51pm
  - Longknives
    
    1962??
    Jesus Nasska you could be my Dad!
    
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    January 21, 2018 8:31pm
    - nasska
      
      What was your Mum’s name? 🙂
      
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      January 21, 2018 8:37pm
      - GazzaW
        
        A brilliant response nasska. 🙂
        
        Could be a classic cricket sledge.
        
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        January 21, 2018 8:53pm
      - Longknives
        
        Yeah I hit Nasska with a solid right hand but he came thundering back with his legendary Left Hook..
        Full credit!
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:04pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Like Frazier flooring Ali in the 15th round of the ‘Fight of the Century’ in Madison Square Garden in 1971. But like the fighter formerly known as Cassius Clay, you too don’t have a glass jaw, Longknives, so we know you’ll get right up off the canvas. ?
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:12pm
      - Longknives
        
        Ali had the best chin in Heavyweight History Kimbo!
        I have watched all his old fights with heavy hitters Frazier, Foreman, Norton,Shavers etc
        He was insanely tough..
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:19pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yep. Leave aside Ali’s hype (which was great for promotion) and his head-hunting, and even more than his ability to move so fast for a heavy weight, it was his capacity to take a wuppin’ and still keep coming back that made him a champion.
        
        Mind you, Frazier, giving away height and reach and having to wear leather to get inside to work the body of most of his opponents, especially Ali, was able to take the punishment too. Their first fight was legendary, but the third, the “Thrilla in Manila” the was the greatest heavy weight fight of all time. One could very well have killed the other if it hadn’t been stopped by Frazier’s corner at the end of the 14th. As his trainer, Eddie Futch, Frazier’s trainer said when his fighter protested that he could still win and this was his last chance to become champion again, “Son, they’ll never forget what happened here today”. said when
        
        Thankfully, despite the occasional brutal comebacks, we are not yet at that stage on Kiwiblog! 😉
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:34pm
      - Longknives
        
        Yep- The Ali/Frazier fights were brutal..
        To think Foreman, Holmes, Norton,Shavers and co were the same era!
        The state of boxing these days (Joseph Parker running round calling himself a ‘World Champion’) saddens me..
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/01/20/pentagon-erases-climate-change-from-the-national-defense-threat-list/
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January 21, 2018 7:50pm
- nasska
  
  What the hell was it doing on their list anyway?
  
  Were they supposed to shoot it?
  
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  January 21, 2018 7:56pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW,
  
  Wotts up with that
  
  A response to the climate change disinformation at Watts up with that .com
  
  ( or is it .con ?)
  
  Still far more worrisome than global warming: solar coronal mass ejections
  Posted on 2017/02/04
  7
  “Still far more worrisome than global warming: solar coronal mass ejections” (2017-02-01). Space climate alarmist Anthony Watts reminds his readers about space weather (Coronal Mass Ejections) and tells them that we can’t pay any attention to climate change (which is a commie lie anyway) until every other risk has been averted first….”
  
  https://wottsupwiththat.com
  
  I suspect there is something cranky about Anthony Watts !
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:09pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Whereas we KNOW there is everything creepy about you
    
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    January 21, 2018 8:14pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red herring . con
      
      whose” we “?
      
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      January 21, 2018 8:41pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Why everyone on Kiwiblog
        And soon to be others
        By your own words!
        Bwhahahahahahahahahahaha
        
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        January 21, 2018 8:48pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , the master behind NZ’s alt right Troll Army
        
        LOL
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:43pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Losing the plot Stephie?
        So funny to watch.
        You deserve it you POS
        The ‘army’ tells me they are almost done.
        You’re fucked.
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:51pm
Left Right and Centre

Here’s a preview of the upcoming birth . . .
(warning: link at your own risk)
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January 21, 2018 8:15pm
starboard

Sound bite Cindy…nah, doesnt work.
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January 21, 2018 8:16pm
Harriet

What’s the difference between an ice hockey player and a feminist?

The hockey player will shower after 3 periods. 😎
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January 21, 2018 8:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  Harriet
  
  https://pics.me.me/we-are-hearingalot-about-the-so-called-alt-right-movement-make-no-mistake-7073547.png
  
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  January 21, 2018 8:56pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hahahahaha
    Poor old Stephie is quite agitated and wound up now
    Getting upset hmmm
    Poor blub blub
    Sense of impending doom huh
    
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    January 21, 2018 9:01pm
stigie

Im going to repeat what starboard said earlier…….

“Just like the liarbor party..the whole things a sick twisted nightmare. Ardern aside..these fucks couldnt run a bath.
Look at the line up. Its a freak show. Reminds me of the star wars movie bar scene”

And im going to add:- The country is being run like a fucking soap opera !~
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January 21, 2018 8:33pm
- doggone7
  
  Be specific, exactly what events or situations show that?
  
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  January 21, 2018 10:49pm
Harriet

There’s a drug listed for depressed lesbians:

Trycoxagain. 😎
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January 21, 2018 8:34pm
- sam green
  
  How come ya like the lezzers when they’re on your porno feed but you hate them when your wife changes paddocks?
  
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  January 22, 2018 12:32am
starboard

Get this..this is fucking unbelievable. What a cot case NZ is.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/100642147/burkhart-fisheries-offer-to-put-bird-spotter-in-front-of-bulldozer
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January 21, 2018 8:52pm
Jack5

Does this ring any bells in NZ minds?

Zoe Strimpel, writer and columnist in the Telegraph:

But the worst thing about British comedy these days is its predictable Leftiness. Its most merciless jokes are always directed at the bogeymen it thinks (wrongly) we can all agree on: Brexiteers, Conservatives, those unsure about gay marriage or the politics of trans loos.
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January 21, 2018 11:16pm
- sam green
  
  Nah. NZ comedy is full of equal opportunity piss takers.
  
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  January 22, 2018 12:14am
  - Jack5
    
    Perhaps it’s more to do with the nature of stand-up comedy, which is what most if not all, of our comedians in NZ are.
    
    This is from the Left wing New Statesman:
    
    Stand-up comedians are not the same as wits and columnists and humorists. Strip away the showbiz and a pure stand-up is still a turn, a music-hall act. It’s clowning, and clowns are always tragic figures. Clowns’ comedy came from the inevitability of their defeat, from the gulf between what they want – whether it’s sex with their bored partner or a socialist utopia – and what they are going to get, which is nothing, nothing and a kick in the goolies.
    
    I adds, “Ultimately, the left will lose.”
    
    It quotes an American comedian as saying that in stand-up comedy, you always are punching upwards. If you’re on the Right, you are punching down.
    
    https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2013/04/where-are-all-right-wing-stand-ups
    
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    January 22, 2018 7:05am
Manolo

The Frog president acknowledges it:
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/907719/Macron-France-vote-to-LEAVE-EU-referendum-Brexit-Brussels-Marr

Emmanuel Macron has sent shockwaves throughout Europe after he conceded that French voters would quit the EU if France held an in/out referendum on the Brussels-led bloc.
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