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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jan/18/2017-was-the-hottest-year-on-record-without-el-nino-boost
Data shows the year was also one of the hottest three ever recorded, with scientists warning that the ‘climate tide is rising fast’

[Extract] 2017 was the hottest year since global records began that was not given an additional boost by the natural climate cycle El Niño. The year was still exceptionally hot, being one of the top three ever recorded.

The three main global temperature records show the global surface temperature in 2017 was 1C above levels seen in pre-industrial times, with scientists certain that humanity’s fossil fuel-burning is to blame.

The last three years have been the hottest trio ever seen, with 2017 ranking second or third depending on the small differences between the temperature records. Furthermore, 17 of the 18 hottest years recorded since 1850 have occurred since 2000.

2017 also saw extreme weather events strike across the world, from hurricanes in the US and Caribbean to heatwaves in Australia and devastating floods in Asia. Many of these events have been shown to have been made much more likely by the heat resulting from global warming.

Scientists from across the globe warned that the limit of 1.5C of warming, set as a goal by the international Paris climate change treaty, was being approached very rapidly and that it was more urgent than ever to slash emissions to avoid the worst impacts.

“While climate change deniers continue to bury their heads in the sand, global warming continues unabated,” said Prof Michael Mann, at Pennsylvania State University in the US. “And the impacts of that warming – unprecedented wildfires, superstorms and floods – are now plain for all to see. There has never been greater urgency.”

“Despite our best efforts so far, global warming continues apace,” said Prof Martin Siegert, at Imperial College London. “This is yet another wake-up call to develop a zero carbon economy before it’s too late.”

Prof Stefan Rahmstorf [Potsdam U.] said there had been a very significant increase in global temperature since the major El Niño seen in 1998: “In just 18 years, our greenhouse gas emissions have pushed up global temperature by a full 0.4C. At this rate the Paris goal of 1.5C will already be crossed in under two decades.”

In Australia, the Climate Council chief executive, Amanda McKenzie, said: “The fingerprints of climate change were seen with extreme weather events across Australia in 2017. This data is yet another warning to the government to urgently slash Australia’s rising greenhouse gas levels in a bid to protect Australians from escalating extreme weather events.”

The El Niño event in 2015-16 raised the annual average temperature for 2016 by 0.2C, but most scientists agree that both 2016 and 2015 would have been record hot years even without the El Niño. The 2017 global temperature was accurately predicted by the Met Office a year before, adding to confidence that scientists have a good understanding of the climate system.

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If you want to contradict the science try it with Gavin Schmidt and Stefan Rahmstorf make a fool of yourself here:
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2018/01/2017-temperature-summary/
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January 20, 2018 8:00am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Morning sickness already….
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:14am
- renderer
  
  But better die than live mechanically a life that is a repetition of repetitions. D. H. Lawrence
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:23am
- JIV
  
  Ive always found it curious as to how the worlds Global Worriers phrase their argument over their decades long campaign. As the data stops agreeing with their story they change the way they tell the story.
  
  The last few years its by saying this year is one of the hottest in history. Obviously thats only for the last 150 years of records. and only using heavily adjusted land and sea records (no satellites), but its the narrative is interesting.
  
  If Usian Bolt breaks the world record, the first response will always be by how much. Why do these Alarmists never tell us by how much this new record year broke the record by. Is it because they are talking about hundredths of a degree? And is the margin of error measured in tenths of a degree. Is this why they never give actual numbers, just keep saying its really hot now pay more tax.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:24am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Why worry about the weather warming when there are huge caldera volcanoes all over the world that could erupt at any time!? The Yellowstone caldera has now been found to have a second lower chamber with enough molten-hot magma to fill The Grand Canyon 11 times. And of course, we have our own caldera volcano in Lake Taupo.
    
    If a caldera volcano erupts the earth will be covered in huge blankets of pumice ash and then acid rain which will start an instant ice-age. Weather will no longer be of interest to anyone on earth – all dead. ?
    
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    January 20, 2018 8:34am
    - Viking2
      
      Intersting obsevation.
      Some friends of one of my staff were in Hawai when the alert went up. They were on a cruise boat and the warning was out go to your cabins and lock your doors.
      People running around everywhere yelling and screaming and crying etc.
      He said to his wife; well looks like this is it” went to their rooms and waited.
      Then the false alarm was notified.
      
      A sobering experience it seems.
      
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      January 20, 2018 8:56am
      - Kimbo
        
        Fight, flight or freeze.
        
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        January 20, 2018 9:41am
      - ztev
        
        If they were conversant with North Koreas actual capabilities and not the ‘hype’ put out by the US Intelligence industry, they would be aware that an actual weapon on a missile going that range is beyond North Koreas capability using modified Ukrainian rocket motors.
        The actual maximum distance flown by a NK missile is 1000Km, adding a warhead , or payload in the parlance, reduces the range , not increase it.
        
        The imagination of the gullible US public does the rest
        
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        January 20, 2018 10:43am
      - GazzaW
        
        Regrettably ztev the vast majority of the population are not blessed to possess your superior analytical powers and an intimate knowledge of the capabilities of a modified Ukrainian rocket engine.
        
        With five minutes notice most of us (Hawaiians and Japanese included) would adopt a ‘WTF do I do now?’ stance.
        
        But as I’ve said before ztev – you do know everything regardless of subject so who are we to doubt you?
        
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        January 20, 2018 11:41am
      - Ed Snack
        
        It’s more the media writing it up than the intelligence community. The latest test showcased a missile that, from its flight characteristics, could potentially reach the West Coast of the US with a nuclear payload. The actual intelligence evaluations suggested that NK did not have any of these deployed (it was a test after all) and their ability to put a viable payload on was in doubt; and their targeting prowess was not thought to be great. However given sufficient time they should be able to deploy such missiles giving them the future capacity to directly threaten the US. That is they had developed technology with that potential.
        
        The media of course wrote that up as it being an immediate threat.
        
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        January 20, 2018 12:05pm
      - ztev
        
        We hear the same hype here about ‘potential tsunamis’ from around the pacific rim.
        Yet each time they are mere ripples in the scheme of things. A local earthquake like kaikoura or in our immediate coastal area is the real threat, but of course warnings are superflous and not going to give enough time.
        
        Getting this sort of information from ‘news’ is absurd as of course ‘news’ is a retail product like soap and effects are always overblown.
        
        The simple fact is no country uses ‘mobile’ liquid fuelled rockets for inter continental range for very good reasons, they are too fragile to be moved in this way. The shell of the missile has to be very light and liquid fuel is more efficient in ‘missile talk’, but those will be silo based.
        NK cant risk a fixed location as the US will target them.
        These details were covered by fairfax but ‘scary news’ gets more prominence ( along with news about babies!)
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/95486404
        
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        January 20, 2018 12:26pm
    - RalphT
      
      Well that’s a cheerful start to the weekend, waikatogirl.
      
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      January 20, 2018 8:58am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Yes, sorry Ralph. Scary and doesn’t bear thinking about. There are bigger forces on earth than a few hot days during summer. ?
        
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        January 20, 2018 9:07am
    - cmm
      
      “Why worry about the weather warming when there are huge caldera volcanoes all over the world that could erupt at any time!? ”
      
      Because you can’t tax volcanoes or blame them on white people.
      
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      January 20, 2018 9:14am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Interesting that NASA are attempting to work out how to cool magna before it erupts from the volcano. So sorry cmm, you are wrong, there are huge amounts of tax money to be spent on volcano research…?
        
        And it is the fault of white privilege, somehow! ?
        
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        January 20, 2018 9:21am
      - cmm
        
        Sure you can spend huge tax money on it, but you can’t force the volcanoes to pay tax.
        
        Cooling magma? Yeah right! The magma is being heated by a monster nuclear reactor that has massive amounts of heat pouring into it.
        
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        January 20, 2018 9:41am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        But, but, but …
        If scientists are trying to cool the magma, wouldn’t that be Anthropogenic Global Cooling?
        Cooling is good, but Warming is bad?
        We have to save the planet from evil mankind and then save it all over again – from itself?
        I need a wee lie down.
        
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        January 20, 2018 9:56am
      - waikatogirl
        
        “Cooling magma? Yeah right!”
        
        I agree cmm, it’s like trying to stop the tides. Greater forces are at work than man (opps sorry, than humans) can control. Not so hard for politicians to manipulate the masses by convincing them that scientists can fix any problem as long as taxpayers willingly contribute.
        
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        January 20, 2018 10:01am
      - G152
        
        Don’t worry the fake news will be able to blame anything and everything on white people.
        Because
        
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        January 20, 2018 10:36am
    - dai
      
      I wouldn’t worry too much about the volcanoes we may be wiped out by an asteroid. So I won’t bother about getting any groceries this week, probably won’t need them.
      
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      January 20, 2018 9:17am
  - Harkman
    
    JIV
    
    It was Ivar Giaever (or William Happer) that pointed out how most temperature gauges are stationed in the northern hemisphere near large cities, which cannot give an accurate average global temperature. He claims that sea data has been added in to average figures of recent and it has distorted everything.
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:33am
    - backster
      
      Yep and in Taiwan they used to be on college campuses but were shifted to traffic islands at intersections.
      
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      January 20, 2018 10:48am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      There’s a site in Germany where temp measurements have been taken for 138 years, using same equipment and methodology.
      http://notrickszone.com/2018/01/19/rare-weather-station-unchanged-over-138-years-data-show-no-co2-impact-on-temperature/#sthash.8ps2ZSL5.dpbs
      
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      January 20, 2018 1:07pm
      - Harkman
        
        Great link Maggy, this is proper science, just neutral data. It shows that recent years might have been warmer, just like the 1930s, the late-C19th & early C20th was the coldest period probably over the last 2000 years. But notice the last year, one of the coldest on record.
        
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        January 20, 2018 2:02pm
      - SGA
        
        Maggy,
        I tried to get past “notrickszone” to find more about this and the person who conducted the “study” but with little success. The link to the researcher led to a amateur website written in German, and I had no success at the University of Augsburg site. So, no luck, but maybe I didn’t look in the right places.
        
        However… Quite some time ago, you posted a link to a notrickszone page covered with graphs that refute global warming. I bothered to look up a couple of the original articles at the time, and I then commented that I couldn’t see how the articles I had read addressed global warming at all. You either didn’t see or chose to ignore my comment.
        
        In my travels today, I happened upon a site that commented on your notrickszone page of graphs. They had contacted many of the authors of the original papers. Like me, many of them also can’t see how their data can be used this way.
        https://www.snopes.com/scientific-papers-global-warming-myth/
        
        I’m not taking anything I see on notrickszone very seriously, I’m afraid.
        
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        January 20, 2018 5:29pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @SGA
      
      Scientific papers when published go into the public domain.
      The authors may not like the interpretation others place on their research findings, but that’s not the issue.
      
      It’s their research data/findings/observations that are of interest to other scientists.
      
      Kenneth Richard is regularly publishing a list of climate science papers on the NoTricks site that show past and present climates . He highlights parts of or entire papers that indicate that there is much more to Earth’s climate than the simple”settled science” story promulgated by the IPCC.
      
      He highlights papers that give evidence of natural factors (oceanic cycles, solar influence, clouds) governing climate patterns,.
      
      It’s up to you whether you ignore the papers K.Richard highlights.
      
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      January 20, 2018 10:08pm
      - SGA
        
        The authors may not like the interpretation others place on their research findings, but that’s not the issue.
        
        Maggy, as you know, it isn’t a question of “like”, they think that the interpretation is wrong – because their data doesn’t really address the issue of global warning, or the actual trend in the data is opposite to what notrickzone reported, or that the graph used on notrickszone was the wrong one. I’m left with the impression that notrickszone has done a variant of a “Gish Gallop” here.
        
        But, at the end of the day, you’re quite entitled to take notrickszone as gospel, and I’m entitled to think it looks dodgy (having taken the time to look) and not worth wasting my time on.
        
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        January 21, 2018 1:26am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @SGA
        I don’t Notrickszone as gospel, but I do find Kenneth Richards compilations of recently published climate science papers useful.
        
        No-one else is providing this service for Joe Public.
        
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        January 21, 2018 8:23am
oldpark

Baby,nine months interest on a small deposit.
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January 20, 2018 8:01am
- billmurray
  
  I sincerely hope that Wonder Man Clarke Gayford is going to propose and marry Wonder Woman Jacinda Ardern before the baby is born.
  The stars will shine brightly and the World will rest in peace if he does.
  Common Wonder man this is your moment!.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:49am
  - KiWombat
    
    I suppose the Mt Albert “electorate allowance” will help support a new creche somewhere
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:58am
  - calendar girl
    
    billmurray, the possibility of marriage is just one of many interesting questions to be addressed. A few more to consider:
    
    1. Where does the celebrated Vogue cover modelling opportunity fit into all of this, if at all? Ms Ardern says that she knew about her pregnancy on 13 October, but it was some 8 weeks later on 9 December that we first became aware of the Vogue contract for its March issue. The photo-shoot itself then seemed to take place very quickly – the likely reason for which is only now becoming evident.
    2. Was Vogue informed at the time of its contract that Ms Ardern was pregnant? If so, how did the magazine become entitled to that information before the NZ voting public? A case of personal opportunity trumping principle, perhaps?
    3. Will Vogue’s March issue be its first to feature a ‘pregnant model’ cover?
    4. In relation to the ‘secret’ section of the Labour – NZ First 138/133-page coalition agreement, there is still no plausible explanation for the 5-page discrepancy (WP’s claim of a change of type-face would not pass my own ‘smell test’, but that’s just me). Did that section deal with the Acting-PM role when Ms Ardern would be absent for more than a day or two, and what would be the ‘results’ of Peters having a material spell as Acting-PM? A Knighthood, perhaps?
    5. Where now is that former 5-page section of the Labour – NZ First 138/133-page coalition agreement? In whose safe(s) has it been deposited for possible future ‘leverage’?
    
    So many questions, so little genuine candour around this Labour/NZ First Coalition Agreement.
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:19am
    - SGA
      
      3. Will Vogue’s March issue be its first to feature a ‘pregnant model’ cover?
      
      Curious, I checked – it’s old hat from the looks of it.
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=vogue+cover+pregnant+model&rlz=1C1CHBF_enNZ779NZ779&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiT_PuYlOXYAhXHH5QKHWbgD74QsAQIKQ&biw=1368&bih=807#imgrc=iiKEyoq0eB39QM:
      
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      January 20, 2018 12:19pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Thanks, SGA. It won’t be publicised as such in March, therefore. (Ms Ardern would have difficulty competing with many of those outstanding bumps.)
        
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        January 20, 2018 12:29pm
      - calendar girl
        
        “Labour – NZ First 138/133-page coalition agreement.”
        
        Sorry to have misled you – the secret Coalition Agreement was a mere 38/33-page document. The reduction of 5 pages in question represents about 13-15% of the actual document, not the 3-4% that I thought earlier.
        
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        January 20, 2018 3:18pm
    - Harkman
      
      4 & 5. Are definitely suspicious now. A lack of disclosure from a corrupt socialist government, why are we not surprised?
      
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      January 20, 2018 12:57pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      She’ll be back in big belly mode for a 2nd photo shoot. You know, just like all the famous celebs before her…..
      
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      January 20, 2018 2:14pm
    - KevOB
      
      The 5 page difference out of 38 pages is possible if the original say was 18pt text throughout and the revision 11pt or something like that. Perhaps a very large font for a tiring Winston and a more regular one for the rest. On the other hand…
      
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      January 20, 2018 3:41pm
  - GazzaW
    
    I’m sure that her parents as fine upstanding Mormons will insist on marriage. Ardern Snr is probably on his way to see Gaylord with shotgun in hand.
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:45am
    - Kimbo
      
      The irony being that if they were indeed “fine upstanding Mormons” who adhered to the “unchangeable” doctrines of Mormonism’s first two founders, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young
      
      …they would be insisting Gayford gets himself at least one extra wife in addition to their Jacinda. 😉
      
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      January 20, 2018 11:56am
      - labrator
        
        According to the gay marriage slippery slope argument we should be expecting polygamy legislation any day now.
        
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        January 20, 2018 12:37pm
      - Evadne
        
        Labrator: why stop at polygamy? This woman has ‘legally’ married the ghost of a 300-year-old pirate: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11976493
        
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        January 20, 2018 1:20pm
      - wombatge
        
        I don’t really like to admit this one, but an Aussie Chick did fall for a bridge in southern France and married it.
        “Jodi Rose married Le Pont du Diable Bridge in Céret, southern France after falling head over heels for the ‘sensual’ 14th century stone structure.”
        I am unclear if the marriage has been consummated and if the bridge has the same feelings towards her, I guess in todays world, it really doesn’t matter.
        I always wondered if she can stop people walking all over it.
        This makes polygamy look fairly normal?
        On the bright side, she cannot go off and marry several bridges, she needs to be a male Muslim to do this.
        If she changed to a gender neutral unspecific, it maybe a different “ball” game.
        Enlighten me.
        
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        January 20, 2018 4:44pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Labour have told him not to bother.
    Immaculate conception.
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:12pm
Viking2

Aunty Helen, Godmother to NZ.
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January 20, 2018 8:05am
- stephieboy
  
  V2 , who cares !
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:03am
Chuck Bird

Hipkins action on this issue should be interesting.

Kids left to trash school property: Hipkins says restraint balance ‘not quite right’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11978164
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January 20, 2018 8:06am
- kowtow
  
  The human rights industry has led to the death of common sense.
  
  Some of the worst examples are illegal immigrant crims who get the right of abode in the west because they claim they’re in danger if deported.
  
  So the right to safety of citizens and their taxes are compromised.
  
  Like this terrorist .
  
  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/terrorist-jailed-after-iranian-embassy-10338493
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:40am
Longknives

The NZ Media have just totally lost the plot.
I just heard someone say “This puts Jacinda Ardern alongside the Great Women in History”!!
Surely even our Left-Leaning commentators here on KB can admit this is getting out of hand??
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January 20, 2018 8:18am
- MT_Tinman
  
  I notice a report that the harridan claimed it could do both jobs.
  
  There is no evidence that it can do the job of PM yet – I feel sorry for the kid.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:36am
  - cmm
    
    To paraphrase: “I can multi-task. Winnie will be PM and Clarke will look after the baby.”
    
    She also tried the stunt of saying that Jenny Shipley was PM with young kids. Clearly clueless: there’s quite a difference between few-months-old babies are kids who school going age.
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:25am
    - waikatogirl
      
      …and the country was aware Mrs Shipley had children when she accepted the position.
      
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      January 20, 2018 9:30am
      - Harriet
        
        More to the point, the public accepted the fact Shipley had children, and likewise Hulun not having any children.
        
        So why did Jacinda not say she was pregnant?
        
        Ask Winston. 😎
        
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        January 20, 2018 10:24am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Speaking if Jenny Shipley…..
      I saw her spouting her two penneth worth re the PM. Would someone please tell Jenny Shipley to stop dyeing her hair jet black. It looks hideous and most unbecoming on her. She is an almost 66 year old woman and women of that age do not generally have jet black hair. It was, indeed, a sight for sore eyes.
      
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      January 20, 2018 2:33pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        Maybe some glitter on her tits would have lessened your trauma Katie.?
        
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        January 20, 2018 3:03pm
      - sam green
        
        HHHHatee much.
        
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        January 20, 2018 3:32pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Longnives ,” I just heard someone say ..”
  
  Local over the neighbourhood fence gos or talking to yourself ?
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:01am
- Kimbo
  
  In case we missed it, it’s just as well we have you to bring that, and similar foibles of the MSM and left wing commentariat to our attention…continually. And thanks also for doing it in that “WAR DECLARED!!” editorial style.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:07am
- Kimbo
  
  @ Longknives
  
  On a brighter note, thanks for your recommendation recently about the Beatles greatest album being Revolver. Took the time to listen again after many years. Don’t agree – still Abbey Road for me. Nonetheless I can see why some rate it highly. Diversity of musical styles without the excesses of Peppers or the White Album. And even though they were no longer the simple “I wanna hold your hand” band, Revolver still seems…compact.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:14am
- KiWombat
  
  Cmon zd. Where’s your spin? Wakey wakey
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:00am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I have turned off the radio, not turned on TVNZ.
  My home is a newspaper-free zone but my beloved Kiwiblog is still screaming at me about Ardern’s pregnancy even though it was yesterday’s overblown news with all the hysterical reactions to it from all sides.
  Can’t bear it any more I’m off to the garden.
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:12am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes its a world first.
  Our female PM may be having the world first baby born out of wedlock.
  
  Not a very good example.
  No right wing leader would ever do this, they have morale standards
  
  So I expect to see the Women’s Weekly announcing the wedding date. Go on do that.
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:07am
  - calendar girl
    
    “……. Women’s Weekly announcing the wedding date.”
    
    That’s likely to occur only if WW has duly purchased the publicity rights. It seems that not much ‘celebrity’ stuff happens today without money changing hands.
    
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    January 20, 2018 2:04pm
- Evadne
  
  In the recent film “Goodbye Christopher Robin”, AA Milne’s wife was engaged in similar histrionics about how wonderful she was for giving birth to Christopher.
  
  “With respect, ma’am,” responds the nanny, “A cow can give birth.”
  
  Every one of the millions of people on this planet came from a pregnant woman. Jacinda is hardly unique or in any way outstanding. Wonderful news for her and her family, of course – but beyond that, so what? The fuss is nauseating.
  
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  January 20, 2018 1:33pm
- wombatge
  
  Lets look at a few and decide at which part of the list Ms Adern would slot in. There are many many more I am sure.
  Catherine 11
  Florence Nightingale
  Joan of Arc
  Hatshepsut
  Tomyris
  Rosa Parkes
  Eva Peron
  Catherine of Siena
  I can just see it now, when she finally shuffles off , Morrinsville and Murapara will fight it out to build a Eva Peron type burial place to celebrate one of the most famous women in the world.
  The crowds will make Eva’s resting place at Recoleta Cemetery in Buenos Aires look like a back water.
  I think the MSM are getting a little ahead of themselves.
  I might be proven wrong, you never know.
  Maybe she needs to get through just one term of parliament which will assist in gauging her greatness.
  PS It would be fitting to have Winnie alongside of her, without him she would have almost remained an unknown person to the world.
  
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  January 20, 2018 5:11pm
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Being a responsible mother- 100% job. Being a responsible PM of NZ- 100% job.

One cannot commit 100% to both jobs.

Irresponsible.
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January 20, 2018 8:18am
- EAD_TWO
  
  The retards on the Guardian are loving it and I’ve scanned about 100 comments and not one of them is saying how the hell can a prime minister run a country and bring up a new born child at the same time.
  
  Its an insult to motherhood and this story very much undermines the bond between child and mother, while also pretending that women can have it all. And the fact she is unmarried is some kind of bonus for some unknown reason.
  
  These morons are so inoculated against traditionalism that even marriage between a mother and a father of a child is a negative.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/19/jacinda-ardern-pregnant-new-zealand-prime-minister-mother-mum-nz-pm
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:23am
- redeye
  
  Could if she was a rugby player. I often hear them claiming they gave 200%.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:52am
- stephieboy
  
  Being a Doctor is a 100% job .One cannot commit 100% to both jobs.
  
  Irresponsible
  
  Aye ?
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:15am
  - srylands
    
    What will allow her to make it work is money. She will have the money to employ all the help she needs.
    
    Your comparison is invalid. Doctors have lots of opportunities to scale their hours. My doctor has three kids. So she stops work at 3. The thing with being PM is the relentless workload and hours.
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:21am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      srylamds ,any profession ( including politics) involves commitment . I’m sure Jacinda will be able to cope quite well without you’re condescending remarks .
      
      Not so long politics along with he professions was considered an exclusive domain males because of your patronising concerns .
      
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      January 20, 2018 9:49am
      - srylands
        
        Don’t be so stupid. I am not being patronising. I wish her well. Of course she will succeed. However it is money that will permit that success.
        
        I have no concerns at all about the ability of someone earning more than 500 stacks a year to manage parenting and a demanding role. I am far more concerned about the scale of family failure in New Zealand, and the impact that has on children.
        
        What is invalid is your equating being PM to a “profession”. It is not the same as being a doctor or lawyer. At all.
        
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        January 20, 2018 11:41am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    You are correct Stephieboy and it is interesting that of the female doctors I know, only one limits her work so that her children’s interests are put first. The others employ people to raise their kids for them.
    If you want children and all the joys and responsibilities that it entails, why have others do it for you?
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:37am
    - stephieboy
      
      SC , that why the wealthy often employed governesses and nannies.
      
      Still do !
      
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      January 20, 2018 9:51am
  - trout
    
    As an aside you probably recall the case of the doctor who was so preoccupied with her job that she left her baby in the car with unfortunate consequences. Juggling babies and jobs is possible but there are risks.
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:32am
    - ztev
      
      happens to mothers who arent working too.
      
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      January 20, 2018 11:04am
    - cha
      
      The mother’s occupation was suppressed.
      
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      January 20, 2018 11:07am
      - ztev
        
        The original story was well covered at the time
        
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        January 20, 2018 12:30pm
    - MrLovebucket
      
      Horse-features can’t even look after a cat.
      
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      January 20, 2018 7:25pm
- Peter
  
  Stupid women have bought the stupid narrative that women can have it all.
  
  Women can’t have it all
  Men can’t have it all
  No one can have it all
  
  Everything involves an opportunity cost. Jacinda has a big opportunity cost coming up.
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:11am
  - lifesgood
    
    I’m puzzled as to why someone who has claimed she desperately wants a baby doesn’t want to bring it up. Is the baby just a designer accessory, like a handbag?
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:06am
    - GazzaW
      
      Yes, in far too many ‘families’ children are just that – a fashion accessory to go with the leased beamer, highly mortgaged designer home and the overseas holiday financed against the home mortgage. It’s a condition prevalent mainly in high decile suburbs as the schools in those areas will readily attest.
      
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      January 20, 2018 11:57am
- KiWombat
  
  The most productive part of Cindy for the next six months will be her bladder !
  Beehive better order in plenty of Ice Cream and Sardines !
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:30am
- Gabby
  
  Too right luckynuts. Golf is a luxury a 100% committed PM can’t afford.
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:19am
Chris R

COL Achievement Report:
Trees/zero
Houses/zero
Baby/one
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January 20, 2018 8:19am
- Simon
  
  Yep despite Princess being Marxist trash they will govern just National. They will fuck up things but really don’t have the skill set to make too many changes
  
  MSM knows Princess is a lightweight hence them shitting themselves over her pregnancy.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:29am
- Simon
  
  COL achievement
  
  Add child poverty “coding error”.
  
  Some fucking accountant cant use a spreadsheet makes Princess look like a mong in a class tower making proclamations about how wonderful it all is nowthat Treasury has run her numbers.
  
  Did lipstick on a mong base the new working for F packages on treasury fuckups ? Looks like it.
  
  No one is surprised. Getting pregnant fucking brilliant career move.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:38am
  - Chris R
    
    Agree. I recall Tony Blair’s wife having a baby (Leo?) not long after he became PM. His ratings improved on that irrelevant factor alone. The real test for Jacinda will be trying to haul Winston out of the PM’s chair on her return. Good luck with that!
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:09am
    - kaykaybee
      
      Winnie wouldn’t even give us back his 4WD when his party got dumped from Parliament. Imagine having to lose the extra PM baubles when Princess Jacinda returns with young Jack or Amelia in a front pack.
      
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      January 21, 2018 1:53pm
  - ztev
    
    Simon the coding error was made well before the election and the results it produced before election
    
    Put that down the the Coalition of SORE losers
    
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    January 20, 2018 12:36pm
- Piniwi
  
  True Chris R but it had to be artificially introduced as her houseboy is baron and has failed so often with willing recipients. A dud but hardly a stud.
  
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  January 20, 2018 3:10pm
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  cats/ -1
  
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  January 20, 2018 7:26pm
Simon

FISA memo looks interesting

The thing is that Clinton and Obama a couple of pieces of shit nobody thinks it would be below them to use corrupt DOJ and FBI senior officials to spy on the Trump campaign

For the good of the Republic Clinton and Obama need some jail time.
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January 20, 2018 8:20am
- kowtow
  
  Watch our media essentially ignore it.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:29am
  - Ross12
    
    It will not be just our media kowtow. It will be an interesting test for MSM worldwide.
    
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    January 20, 2018 8:42am
    - kowtow
      
      They have been weighed in the balance and are found wanting.
      
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      January 20, 2018 10:02am
  - Ed Snack
    
    They have, lead on the Dom’s international section was the extension of the Mueller probe to look at how the NRA passed Russian money onto the Trump campaign, complete with a good deal of innuendo and zero evidence.
    
    Not. Single mention of this explosive house memo about apparent illegal surveillance by the last administration orchestrated by the DOJ and certain figures in the FBI. This may indeed cause Mueller’s investigation to founder because the man who appointed Mueller is one of the central figures in this emerging scandal – Rod Rosenstein of the DOJ. It is quite apparent that Rosenstein should have rescused himself from the appointment given his key position in the illegal activity, and so Mueller’s appointment appears to be fatally flawed.
    
    We’ll have to wait and see though, the “deep state”does not give up easily. Pity the MSM are so committed to the Democrats that they can’t see that this should be the scandal of the century if true, and thus th y should be very actively trying to find out if it is true. The CIA, NSA, and FBI involved in illegal surveillance of the opposition party’s presidential candidate using Democrat paid opposition research as a fake basis.
    
    Nixon tried to sic the CIA onto his opponents and was rightly reviled for it – and he didn’t succeeed in getting them to do so. Obama seems to have succeeded in using the entire apparatus of the state (and incompetently as per usual with him) against his party’s enemy and yet it seems that’s OK with not just the media but much of the chattering class as well.
    
    Let’s hope for the sake of US democracy that there’s serious prison time for those involved in this if, as it appears at this stage, illegal surveillance was conducted. If not, why, then Trump must be allowed to do the same, use the FBI and other intelligence agencies to snoop on the Democrats.
    
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    January 20, 2018 12:22pm
- stephieboy
  
  Simon , update us with the very latest on this mother of all exposes ?
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:18am
  - calendar girl
    
    Do your own research, stephie, and don’t be so lazy. We all have the same means now at our disposal – it’s called the internet.
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:26am
    - stephieboy
      
      calendar girl , I’ve done so and come up with Zilch with this so called unfolding story.
      
      Can you oblige ?
      
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      January 20, 2018 9:45am
- stephieboy
  
  The FISA memo (self.conspiracy)
  
  submitted 6 hours ago by americansherlock201
  Just my thoughts;
  
  “I hope they do release it. However I am going to put no stock into what any politician says about it while it’s still not released. Too often are we told that some super shocking, world changing document is going to come out and everything will change. Then if it does get released, it rarely holds up to the hype about it. I call this classified blue balls.
  So until something actually comes out with evidence, I don’t give a damn about what any politician says about it. It’s just political theater. They can say it’s the worst thing ever and sell it as so so long as it never comes out. “
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/7rim1h/the_fisa_memo/
  
  Sigh …!
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:57am
  - Harkman
    
    SB, I’ve been really busy lately but I’m feeling alot happier today, going through giving you the thumbs down. It really makes my day. ?
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:21am
- cha
  
  Weird how Trump can declassify anything with a stroke of a pen and yet the illegal obummer FISA warrant that spied on everyone is still under lock and key.
  
  //
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:26am
  - All_on_Red
    
    No
    It’s not weird
    He’s probably letting it go through the process where release is decided by Congress
    He seems to adhere more strictly to the separation of powers that Obama did.
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:44am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red ,
      
      “He seems to adhere more strictly to the separation of powers that Obama did.”
      
      Examples ?
      
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      January 20, 2018 12:04pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        The immigration enforcement actions. Obama unilaterally instructed his agencies not to enforce certain laws, which is unconstitutional. The President swears an oath of office to faithfully enforce the laws which does not give any rights to modify those laws.
        
        The correct constitutional approach is to enforce and apply pressure to Congress to amend the law.
        
        There ar other similar examples.
        
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        January 20, 2018 12:26pm
      - ztev
        
        really ?
        “The first proposal to allow people who’d come to the US as children to apply for legal immigrant status and eventually become citizens, was introduced in 2001 by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA). It was called the DREAM Act — Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors— a name that versions of the bill have kept ever since.
        
        As this legislation didnt become law, Obama only ‘deferred’ deportation to those who applied under DACA, which isnt a legalisation process.
        
        Many instances of ‘deferred action’ have occurred before Obama,
        Deferred action for Haitians, El Salvador civil war, Honduras earthquake , those illegally in US affected by Hurricane Katrina etc
        
        Correct process through Congress when its controlled by idiots doesnt work, thats why often its the Supreme court which acts instead.
        DACA hasnt been ruled unconstitutional but a different program DAPA for ‘parents’ which was blocked by a federal judge just before Obamas term ended.
        
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        January 20, 2018 12:59pm
- ztev
  
  They WERE spying on Manafort, whos contact with Russia was notorious.
  
  Youll remember Trump saying he was with the campaign ‘a short time’ as of course FBI had him under watch before he joined Trump
  
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  January 20, 2018 12:44pm
  - cha
    
    Best bit is Trump is expected sign the FISA Amendments Reauthorization Act of 2017, re-authorising laws used to spy on his campaign.
    
    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/01/18/fisa-bill-senate-pass-trump-293130
    
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    January 20, 2018 1:04pm
    - Ross12
      
      BS
      There are amendments which emphasise it is only for “spying” on foreigners or those directly associated with those foreigners.
      But it is interesting you/Politico acknowledge that they did spy on his campaign.
      
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      January 20, 2018 2:07pm
      - cha
        
        They spied on Manafort, a perceived criminal directly associated with foreigners.
        
        btw, these amendments don’t stop them spying on citizens
        
        The Burr bill also allows Section 702-collected data to be used in criminal proceedings against U.S. persons so long as the Attorney General determines that the crime involves a multitude of subjects. Those subjects include death, kidnapping, seriously bodily injury, incapacitation or destruction of critical infrastructure, and human trafficking. The Attorney General can also determine that the crime involves “cybersecurity,” a vague term open to broad abuse.
        
        https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/11/fisa-amendments-reauthorization-act-restricts-congress-not-surveillance
        
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        January 20, 2018 2:26pm
      - Ross12
        
        You have got a lot of catching up to do cha.
        
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        January 20, 2018 6:30pm
      - cha
        
        You have got a lot of catching up to do cha.
        
        Do go on…?
        
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        January 20, 2018 6:34pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Ross 12 , awaiting the latest NISA memo disclosure ?
    
    Can you up date from Fox or Gateway Pundit……. ?
    
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    January 20, 2018 6:35pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      It’s FISA not NISA you Mong
      Personally I don’t think this is the killer blow quite yet for Obama but it will certainly connect dots.
      Drip
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      Drip
      How the worm has turned
      
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      January 20, 2018 7:50pm
Longknives

Lizzie ‘I sang at an All Black game so I know everything’ Marvelly is ranting on about the Harvey Weinstein thing.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11977199

Notice how many times she emphasises she is only talking about Heterosexual relationships!
Sexual abuse and inappropriate behaviour not happen in the Homosexual World Lizzie??
Kevin Spacey, George Takei etc etc
Jesus when I was at University I had a Part Time job where the Boss (A much older Gay Man) couldn’t keep his hands to himself- I think he eventually ended up in jail for drugging some poor dude..
Point is- The Gay Community can’t claim the Higher Ground here..
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January 20, 2018 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  Interesting contrasts.
  
  The MSM now calling out the Hollyweird types but they did their best ,along with everyone else to ignore the UK male Pakistani abuse of vulnerable youngsters , not to mention the Cologne Muslim illegal immigrant New Years’ Eve attacks.
  
  Seems it’s different if you’re a Muslim .
  
  Je Suis indeed.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:34am
- Paulus
  
  Neither can some men in New Zealand – idols they were once called.
  Due to the nature of things all was kept quiet in the past.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  Lizzie knows best, being a wise women of the world. “Men are persistent and women acquiesce. Men want sex, women want romance, and that’s just the way things are.” Her column is nothing more than an indictment of how low the failing newspaper (tabloid) has sunk.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:42am
- Disaster Area
  
  I couldn’t see the part of her article where she did claim that the gay community had the moral high ground.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:45am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I didn’t read it but thank you for doing so
    
    I read across a reasonably wide range and have learnt that there are some authors I don’t need to read, ‘ur lizzie’ is one of them
    
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    January 20, 2018 8:53am
- tf78
  
  I would like to suggest a new word for 2018 to replace “misogynist” and that is “MISANDRIST” which is a truer description of the sexism that has really taken over our world.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:55am
  - Gabby
    
    paw widdle snofwake.
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:25am
Paulus

Congratulations to Cindy and Clarke, hit the right button at last – there nothing more precious than a child, although this is often forgotten in New Zealand.
This along with her Royal Marriage and another on the way is an Election winner without a doubt.
Great Granddad Winston will be pleased- it is clear that he and may others were fully aware of her condition a long time ago.
A new “Mother of the Nation” will titilate the media and most of the women.
Parliament will stagnate as any comments will be immediately construed as an attack on a poor pregnant woman.
I hope that either Miss Helen Ardern-Gayford or Mr Winston Ardern-Gayford will be born well and give great joy to their parents.
I assume that the media will set up separate Departments and Websights to keep us daily appraised of progress in the birth of this child, and Gayford gets his paternal financial due from Winz for the solo father hood.
I assume he will be named as the father in the birth certificate.
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January 20, 2018 8:29am
- VicParking
  
  If a young National MP made the same announcement she would be lambasted for breaking the sanctuary of marriage and setting a bad example for all the young women in NZ.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:46am
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    Like Roof Richardson vicBarking.
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:26am
- VicParking
  
  She will not name the father in case labour lose, Gayford is loose, her seat is lost and she has to go on the DPB.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:53am
  - Chris R
    
    I bet $$$$ that the child’s surname will be either Ardern or Ardern-Gayford. Jacinda’s ego will not permit it to have the father’s name simpliciter.
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:12am
    - Paulus
      
      I think she has already said that it will be Ardern-Gayford.
      
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      January 20, 2018 10:51am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Last night she stated Ardern-Gayford is probably a bit of a mouthful so the baby would probably be given the name Gayford. All while Clark looked on. I wondered if she had bothered to consult him or does she just speak for them both?
        
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        January 20, 2018 10:59am
      - calendar girl
        
        @ waikatogirl – Oh, you mean that Clark. I thought at first that you were referring to Auntie Hulun.
        
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        January 20, 2018 11:39am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Calendar girl, I cannot be bothered to learn which one has the ‘e’ on the end of their Clarkism. ?
        
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        January 20, 2018 1:24pm
- cmm
  
  Yes, you are correct. There is nothing more precious than a child.
  
  That is why, if at all possible, you structure your life around raising that child.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:30am
- KiWombat
  
  CG should be demanding a paternity test, given all the “behind closed door” negotiations that were going on at the time. Hmmm, I wonder whether there is something of interest in those 30-something pages?
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:42am
dime

In a shocking move (as predicted by everyone), the media are now going after trumps doctor saying he looks sick/unfit etc

What a bunch of losers #sad
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January 20, 2018 8:30am
- Ross12
  
  Even senior Obama people (eg. Rice) came out in support of the Doctor immediately after that press conference.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:43am
  - ztev
    
    Is Rice a medical expert ?
    
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    January 20, 2018 1:09pm
    - Ross12
      
      No she is not and neither are you ztev.
      
      She was defending his reputation not making a medical statement. She was aware he had been the medical person for Obama and Bush.
      
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      January 20, 2018 6:32pm
- ztev
  
  When a Doctor who talks about an obese 72 year old who has low level indications of heart disease and taking medication for it, as ‘excellent’ a dozen times , its clear “trumpism’, which affects all those working in the whitehouse, has taken over his better judgement.
  Now we can see Trumps previous full medical records before he became President then ?
  
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  January 20, 2018 1:08pm
  - Ross12
    
    So he takes low dose aspirin each day– extremely common all over the world to be used as an aid against heart disease.
    The quack neurologist CNN rolled out to comment on heart disease tried to make out the calcium level reading meant he was on “deaths door”. A reading of 133 is below average for age, but don’t let facts get in the way of BS.
    https://www.mesa-nhlbi.org/calcium/input.aspx
    
    I would think a 71 year old who has kept up the pace he has for the last couple of years (including the campaign) is more than physically capable of doing the job.
    BTW Bill Clinton is the same age. Have you looked at photos of him recently.
    
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    January 20, 2018 6:41pm
Inandout

As our society loosely produces offspring, Islam has different ideas:

‘Polygamy Among Muslims

In Islam, men are often permitted to marry multiple women. The warrant for this is to be found in both the Koran and in the personal life of the Prophet. In many areas where the Koran is open to interpretation, Muslims will look for guidance to the life of Muhammad. In this case, the traditional maximum number of wives is set at four, largely because this is the number of wives the Prophet is said to have had. However, men must show that they’re able to support this number of wives. Women are not permitted to marry more than one man, traditionally because of the difficulty of proving which man fathered which son’.

The whole Koran bullshit is kind of scary, but the last sentence is very pertinent to our Western society.
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- kowtow
  
  What is pertinent to western society is the elites , media , political parties that are encouraging the west to be over run by these hordes.
  
  Islam grew out of one desert warlords ravings in the Arbian peninsula 1300 years ago and has now spread its vile ideology world wide.
  
  Europe is lost.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow , garbage in garbage out !
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:30am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      In other words you cannot rebut that with logic?
      
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      January 20, 2018 9:42am
- stephieboy
  
  Inandout , so says an erudite scholar of Islam !
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:31am
- stephieboy
  
  Inandout ,
  
  Polygamy in the Bible ,
  
  “The Torah may distinguish concubines and “sub-standard” wives with the prefix “to” (e.g., lit. “took to wives”).[52] Despite these nuances to the biblical perspective on polygamy, many important figures had more than one wife, such as in the instances of Esau (Gen 26:34; 28:6-9),[49] Jacob (Gen 29:15-28),[49] Elkanah (1 Samuel 1:1-8),[49] David (1 Samuel 25:39-44; 2 Samuel 3:2-5; 5:13-16),[49] and Solomon (1 Kings 11:1-3).[49]
  Multiple marriage was considered a realistic alternative in the case of famine, widowhood, or female infertility[53] like in the practice of levirate marriage, wherein a man was required to marry and support his deceased brother’s widow, as mandated by Deuteronomy 25:5–10. Despite its prevalence in the Hebrew Bible, scholars do not believe that polygyny was commonly practiced in the biblical era because it required a significant amount of wealth.[54] Michael Coogan, in contrast, states that “Polygyny continued to be practised well into the biblical period, and it is attested among Jews as late as the second century CE”.[55]”
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygamy#Judaism
  
  Recall Solomon took unto himself 1000 Wives First Kings 11:3 states that Solomon “had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:39am
  - Inandout
    
    Idiot. How many Christians follow that OT stuff, compared with Muslims who worship the Koran?
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:21am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Who gives a $%&* what’s in the bible mate.
    
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    January 20, 2018 1:00pm
- KiWombat
  
  “In Islam, men are often permitted to marry multiple women.”
  Surely you can’t refer to young girls as “women?”
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    KiWombat , age of consent differs according to local custom and practice . In NZ it is 16 and in Japan ( until very recently ) it was 14 .
    
    And so on !
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:01am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Still trying to justify perving at young girls Stephie?
      That reminds me
      When’s Morrissey doing his expose on Graham Capill?
      
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      January 20, 2018 10:19am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , as it seems to obssess you so much why not do it yourself ?
        
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        January 20, 2018 12:25pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Nah, he said he has written it already.
        I’ll just restrict myself to exposing hypocritical Christians who on one hand stand up in Church and preach but elsewhere post porn links on one of NZs most popular blogs and admit to perving at young girls.
        Surely that sort of behaviour needs some sort of intervention.
        What do you think?
        
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        January 20, 2018 1:19pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , your obssessive hatred and disgust towards the female form continues to astound .
        
        Where did it come from I wonder ?
        
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        January 20, 2018 1:50pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Obssessive hatred and disgust towards the female form’?
        Lol
        Now that’s funny.
        You’re such a liar. You can try and deflect all you like. Won’t help.
        
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        January 20, 2018 2:18pm
    - KiWombat
      
      There’s a BIG difference between 7 and 14 –
      
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      January 20, 2018 10:34am
      - stephieboy
        
        kiWombat , in biblical times it was similarly so . Medieval and up until relatively recent the same .
        
        Usually under Islam or Christianity a young girl was bethrothed to a much older male to unite families , tribes , kingdoms etc .
        
        The betrothal wasn’t consummated till much later .
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Asia
        
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        January 20, 2018 12:31pm
    - G152
      
      With muslims the age is 6 for marriage and 9 for intercourse
      
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      January 20, 2018 10:43am
      - KiWombat
        
        Wonder what stephie is angling at – seems to be justifying his penchant for preteens – whoops
        
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        January 20, 2018 2:46pm
    - wombatge
      
      You should remove NZ and Japanese reference, NZ will be like Australia, there are hundreds being married off under age and thousands being put to the knife, FGM is happening and real, they prefer to butcher the girls around 6 years of age. Very few are caught and you can count on my left hand convictions. Custom and practice is everything law of the land is nothing to these perverts and butchers.
      
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      January 20, 2018 5:23pm
  - kowtow
    
    Nor is it “marriage”.
    
    ‘During Muhammad’s jihad on the Jews of Khaybar, he took for himself from among the spoils of war one young woman, a teenager, Safiya bint Huyay, after hearing of her beauty. (Earlier the prophet had bestowed her on another Muslim jihadi, but when rumor of her beauty reached him, the prophet reneged and took her for himself.)
    
    Muhammad “married” Safiya hours after he had her husband, Kinana, tortured to death in order to reveal hidden treasure. And before this, the prophet’s jihadis slaughtered Safiya’s ‘
    
    http://www.meforum.org/4855/muhammad-and-islam-sex-slaves
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      kowtow ,Raymond Ibrahim works in collusion with David Horowitz ( front-page )and, I believe Rob Spencer, (Jihad Watch ) so his analysis is hardly objective or fair .
      
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      January 20, 2018 12:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s back to watching for a rocket launch
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11978105
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January 20, 2018 8:42am
- namron
  
  Maggy, if you sat out in your garden – or from the top of Kaiti Hill – would you see anything?
  namron
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Very doubtful, as the launch site is at the southern end of Mahia Peninsula and we look out to the eastern arm of the Peninsula.
    The rocket itself is pretty small and thin….
    But who knows?… might see some disturbance in the atmosphere.
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:56am
Maggy Wassilieff

Italian Police to go on overtime?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/19/italians-asked-report-fake-news-police-run-up-election
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January 20, 2018 8:44am
softail 1450

red radio are calling jacinda and clarke “a young couple” ,its going to be a tough couple of years for anybody remotely interested in facts.
my kids and their partners are “young couples”,in their early twenties, jacinda is approaching middle age FFS.
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January 20, 2018 8:53am
- VicParking
  
  I suppose as adolescence is now 12 to 25, being young must be 26 to 37. As long as I am still an “old cunt” it does not worry me much.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:01am
- artemisia
  
  Ms Ardern is officially ‘elderly primigravida’.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:13am
- kowtow
  
  Another example of the media creating fake news, agenda based activism.
  
  Any wonder they spend so much time and energy attacking the only major world leader who has called them out on it.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:25am
  - ztev
    
    Guess who was top of Trumps fake news award ?
    
    Thats right an opinion columnist.
    
    Other ‘winners’ were those who quickly acknowledged a small error, while Trump just deletes his clangers
    
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    January 20, 2018 1:12pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Krugman is an economist and his comment pertained to his profession.
      It’s becoming quite sad watching your continuous lies.
      Hey, how’s your ‘audience’ these days?
      Yuge!
      Got ANY upticks today? One, two?
      
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      January 20, 2018 2:25pm
      - ztev
        
        The audience is those read KB but dont have a comment ID.
        
        Krugman still gives an opinion column, he may be an expert but its not a news story.
        
        And Trumps deleted tweets?
        eg
        Congratulations to Roy Moore on his Republican Primary win in Alabama. Luther Strange started way back & ran a good race. Roy, WIN in Nov!
        https://factba.se/topic/deleted-tweets
        
        Roy lost !
        
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        January 20, 2018 3:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda at age 37 is classified as an elderly primigravida.
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January 20, 2018 9:00am
- VicParking
  
  Is that Latin for dickshit
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:05am
  - holysheet
    
    https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/elderly+primigravida
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:13am
  - Gabby
    
    Paulus Henricus, vicBarking.
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:32am
- holysheet
  
  On her wedding certificate, if she goes and gets married, she will be named as a spinster. Mrs Holy was a spinster at the tender age of 21. I on the other hand was a stud.
  Just saying.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:11am
  - ztev
    
    hahahaha.
    Spinster is just a sort of occupation for those who dont have one. Yours would be dotard if marrying again.
    
    Jacinda will put down PM as her occupation.
    
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    January 20, 2018 1:16pm
    - GazzaW
      
      That is all dependent on whether she marries this year or next.
      
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      January 20, 2018 1:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        If she’s smart (and to give her credit, when it comes to PR she sure knows how to utilise that Degree in Communications from Waikato Uni! 😉 ), she’ll do that right about the time her government is needing something to distract from bad news. Or maybe just at the start of 2020. 😉
        
        As a cunning old tusker with lots of scars from the political battlefield, David Garrett observed yesterday on hearing the news of Ardern’s pregnancy, he is no longer confident this will be a one-term government. 😉
        
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        January 20, 2018 2:01pm
    - holysheet
      
      ztev, wrong again fuckwit.
      Mrs Holy had a job when she got married. Spinster is an old legal term used on marriage certificates. You are confusing spinster with sphincter, the one you talk out of a lot here on KB.
      
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      January 20, 2018 2:40pm
      - ztev
        
        Confirms you are a dotard as NZ marriage certificates dropped the term ages ago , and its now ‘never married’ , civil union’ or’ previously married’.
        
        What will the divorce decree say ? Desertion ! ( that came in in the 1920s)
        
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        January 20, 2018 4:02pm
- KevOB
  
  Both my wives made multipara status. The present one has a T shirt to that effect.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    That’s an interesting term…
    
    In Zoology multiparous means popping out more than one baby at birth;
    but in the medical world it means having had more than 1 childbirth.
    
    Did your wives produce twins or singletons?
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:03am
    - KevOB
      
      Singletons. I stand corrected by my wife: the T shirt had Grand Multipara.
      
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      January 20, 2018 3:48pm
VicParking

Stephie must be having a sleep in with his favourite goat as WOO is the only one downticking today.
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January 20, 2018 9:06am
- Nostradamus
  
  It looks like he’s back from St Lukes early – he’s already addressed Longknives and Nukuleka above with typically unsolicited (and rude) comments…
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:14am
- GazzaW
  
  Gobby’s here with her broken English one liners and silly names. Seems she’s not getting the message that no one even responds to her posts and most can’t even be bothered downticking. Sad.
  
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  January 20, 2018 12:10pm
artemisia

Mr Robertson on the wireless this morning. He invited students unhappy about rent increases to contact him and had dozens of responses within a few hours. He committed to investigate and take action if these rents are not in line with market rents or breach the RTA.

Fair enough. Sounds like he is getting the MBIE compliance group to investigate initially, where normally the process is an application to the Tenancy Tribunal with supporting evidence from the applicant. Either way, cases that go to the TT should provide info on their attitude to market rents.

MBIE staff will be pleased with the extra workload. Save them sitting around waiting for complaints about slum landlords.
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January 20, 2018 9:19am
- holysheet
  
  Who sets the “Market rent”?
  I would have thought the market would set that. If there is a shortage of rentals available, then the laws of supply and demand would set the rents.
  
  If I was looking for a rental, had the money and found a place I liked, then whats to stop me offering to pay what the landlord is asking. Once I pay this amount, then that sets the market for similar rentals, does it not?
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:35am
  - artemisia
    
    There are some Tenancy Tribunal decisions on this. The following is from a recent case, link below, which also goes into more detail.
    
    Students and others who think their situation might result in a rent decrease might find it is difficult to prove the ‘substantial’ bit, especially if there are a lot of cases / enquiries. Because surely cases become comparable where there are plenty of them. So the more of them the more they are likely to be in acceptable range of market rent.
    
    The Tribunal has power to reduce rent to market rent if the amount payable exceeds market rent by a substantial amount.
    
    Market rent is defined as the rent a willing landlord might reasonably expect to receive and a
    willing tenant might reasonably expect to pay for the tenancy, taking into account the general
    level of rents for comparable premises in the local area.
    
    https://forms.justice.govt.nz/search/Documents/TTV2/131740707.pdf
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:12am
BananaLlama

Yesterday Gobby asked me when i tiered and brought the ram in, well Gobby it was when i got bored with your mother.
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January 20, 2018 9:27am
- Gabby
  
  That’s a Way Homer bangamama.
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:35am
Manolo

The investment markets have no reason to complain:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/the-dows-31-percent-gain-during-trumps-first-year-is-the-best-since-fdr.html

Donald Trump lifted the Dow Jones industrial average in his first year in office more than any other president since Franklin Roosevelt.

The Dow has surged more than 31% since Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 20, 2017. That marks the index’s best performance during a president’s first year since Roosevelt. The Dow skyrocketed 96.5% during Roosevelt’s first year in office.
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January 20, 2018 9:32am
- KevOB
  
  But watch out the market indices have nothing to do with Trump but with the wild ride the FED and other Reserve Banks are on with excessive money creation.
  
  The writings on the wall the bond yields are rising: stock prices must fall.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:54am
  - Manolo
    
    True. Diversification is key. Any portfolio worth its salt must have a reasonable component made of bonds and fix-term investments.
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:58am
    - Harkman
      
      Well I’m not entirely sure about this, what happens when inflation is running higher than the bond yields/ deposit rates?
      
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      January 20, 2018 10:15am
      - Manolo
        
        True, you take a hit and make a loss on your fixed-term investments. In most cases it is a temporary situation, though. Hence the point of diversification.
        
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        January 20, 2018 10:20am
flipper

Are we sure?
Are we really sure that Ardern is telling the truth about her “pregnancy” ?
Are we sure that Gaylord is the father to be?
Are we sure that Gaylord is capable parenting?
Where are the certifying DNA results?
Who and where is the Prime Ministerial gnaeno to certify the truth of her/their claim?
Is her gnaeno board certified?
When will the FULL test results be released and a press conference held?
Where is the media armchair expert(s) able to certify
1. That Ardern is sane?
2. That she is pregnant? and
3. That Ardern is fit to be a mother?

After just four months on the job, should we be expected to give Ardern six months paid maternity leave?

Who is able to certify:
a. That Ardern is pregnant?
b. That she did not lie when she failed to disclose this earlier … and in her job application?
c. That Ardern’s “gnaeno” is sane, and competent?

After all, that is what the Amazon-Washington Post claims of Trump. Does it not?

Should we not demand that Ardern, her apparent spouse, and her gnaeno be held to the same standard?
Surely the fawning left wing shills would espouse equal treatment. No?

Look…there are all those four- legged tubbies flying by….
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January 20, 2018 9:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  what on earth is gnaeno?
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:06am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    A Ghanaian Rhinocerus.
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:11am
- ztev
  
  Elected officials dont get paid materity leave, any way shes asked for 6 weeks and will only be a phone call away.
  There was no job application.
  
  Bringing Trump into it is ridiculous, as previous candidates for president were asked and did supply a lot of information.
  And of course Trump was a leader in the ‘proof of birth’ nonsense.
  
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  January 20, 2018 4:07pm
BeaB

Now we know she is pregnant, we also know she is a bullshitter and not the transparent leader she promised to be. Never told a lie? Ha.
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January 20, 2018 9:41am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
flipper , stop playing silly games

Who is able to certify:

a. That Trump is pregnant?
b. That He did not lie when he failed to disclose this earlier … and in her job application?
c. That Trump’s “gnaeno” is sane, and competent?

After all, that is what the Amazon-Washington Post claims of Trump. Does it not?

Trump the President of all lies !
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January 20, 2018 9:42am
- Inandout
  
  stephie in an echo chamber, anybody out there?
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:44am
  - flipper
    
    Perhaps Trudeau is Ardern’s squeeze?
    
    The stupidboy is just, well, living up to its name….
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:51am
Manolo

Is our stephieboy concerned about his Muslim mate?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/hamza-bin-laden-attacks-saudi-arabia-in-new-video/ar-AAuUqoC

Hamza bin Laden, the son of terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden, renewed his call for Saudi Arabia’s monarchy to be overthrown in a video released Thursday.
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January 20, 2018 9:51am
- KevOB
  
  Must be a Shia.
  
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  January 20, 2018 9:56am
  - RalphT
    
    Possibly a Shia but definitely a Shit.
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:17am
- KiWombat
  
  OBL must be so proud
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:06am
Yvette

When is Kim Dotcom due to be extradited and what the fuck is holding up proceedings now?

As Kim Dotcom gets ready for his wedding today, the entrepreneur’s lawyers are apparently serving “a multi-billion dollar damages claim” against the New Zealand Government.
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January 20, 2018 10:02am
- kowtow
  
  “a multi-billion dollar damages claim” against the New Zealand Government.’
  
  The guy had previous convictions in Germany and HK.
  
  How the fuck was he ever allowed a visa in the first place.
  
  One of the gummints primary duties is to protect its own citizens from threats , borders matter.
  
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  January 20, 2018 12:09pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Given your well-catalogued immigration concerns. kowtow, you could at least look on the bright side: KDC hasn’t converted to Islam. Yet… 😉
    
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    January 20, 2018 12:17pm
Steve (North Shore)

September 24th 2017. Psssttt, hey Winstone, guess what? Make me PM and you can be acting PM when I take my 26 weeks parental leave.

Now how much did Winstone know? What kind of unknown shady deals were done?
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January 20, 2018 10:09am
- waikatogirl
  
  Release the 33 page secret addendum. I suggest everything would be clarified. Oh wait, that would prove a conspiracy by the COL.
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:21am
  - ztev
    
    Has been read by Ombudsman, says nothing to see here , move on.
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:13am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Did the Ombudsman really say ‘nothing to see here’? Don’t think he did. More like a ruling on a technical definition
      Say, you’re not lying again are you ztev?
      Besides if it’s so innocuous then why not release it?
      
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      January 20, 2018 11:30am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red ,
        
        From the Ombudsmen Peter Boshier,
        
        Ombudsman backs Govt over coalition document in final ruling
        
        “It is clear to me that, having read the document, it contains a collection of points made by the parties on various issues during the negotiation process,” Boshier said in a letter accompanying his decision.
        
        https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/12/13/68503/ombudsman-backs-govt-over-coalition-document-in-final-ruling
        
        Out of your depth , yet again !
        
        Sigh !
        
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        January 20, 2018 12:46pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘A collection of points’
        So, something to see then.
        Release it if it’s so tame.
        
        Heh, you’ll be out of your depth soon enough
        Dear Father John
        LOL
        
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        January 20, 2018 1:08pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , he states quite clearly he had read the coalition document .
        
        Are you that thick ? Well you are yet obviously much thicker .
        
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        January 20, 2018 1:34pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh, so it is the Coalition document!!!!
        Thanks for admitting it and proving my point.
        Hahahahahahaha
        So release it then.
        As someone said the other day, you really are a special kind of stupid!
        Stephieboy- Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator
        
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        January 20, 2018 2:28pm
      - ztev
        
        Caught out red_ faced.
        Take your technical definition and Trump you.
        
        ‘Some of the points raised in the document clearly were not agreed upon by the parties, as this document did not form part of the final coalition agreement.” says Boshier
        
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        January 20, 2018 4:13pm
Harkman

I might be mistaken but yesterday I joked about another baby dependant on the state with a dead beat dad and Farrar deleted it. Yet Farrar etc al are always banging on about freedom of speech, what hypocrites. This another example of the Obama era celebrity nonsense. The left didn’t joke about Max Key, they were just plain old nasty. I also noticed posts about out of wedlock births were also deleted but the truth is children born out of wedlock are the ones that make up the terrible statistics everyone is supposedly trying to fix, yet the toothfairy & her $500k salary will never solve poverty because she doesn’t grasp where it is coming from because they need it to line their pockets.
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January 20, 2018 10:10am
- Harriet
  
  I had ‘relatively moderate’ posts deleted also yesterday.
  
  Why? — The PM announced her pregnancy —-there’s a time and place for everything — I’d guess they won’t be deleted today.
  
  I don’t have an issue with DPF on the matter — he’s right, it is something you have to be respectful towards. I’d hate people doing it if I was the PM’s husband – but the following day would be fair enough.
  
  Edit: He also didn’t give out ANY demerits to my knowledge.
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:28am
  - Harkman
    
    I know, yet Morrisey slanders rich and famous people on here all the time, yet nothing.
    
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    January 20, 2018 1:10pm
- Gabby
  
  Is maxipads preggo hackman?
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:42am
  - Harkman
    
    I’m sorry Gabby, I don’t grasp your jokes. Though, I am willing to concede that you are as talented as Amy Schumer.
    
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    January 20, 2018 1:15pm
Inandout

Is HDPA too old to be with child?
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January 20, 2018 10:17am
- RalphT
  
  No, I think she’s not much over 30; definitely several years younger than our fair Jacinda
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:19am
  - Inandout
    
    Then she must be anointed. The magazines await.
    
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    January 20, 2018 10:25am
  - waikatogirl
    
    And many decades younger than her husband. What is that, daddy issues?
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:05am
    - lifesgood
      
      Her thrice married unattractive husband with a squeaky voice. One really does have to wonder.
      
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      January 20, 2018 11:16am
    - GazzaW
      
      Nothing that a ready supply of mail order ‘little blue magics’ can’t fix. How bizarre, Bazza will have grandkids older than any progeny from his current marriage.
      
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  - ztev
    
    This story back in 2015 ‘ says 30’, but like a lot of people who want to hang on to their twenties will hang onto 30 for some time.
    A bit like young rugby players from the pacific islands who come to High School here, their age is what is convenient.
    Soper is described as ’33 years her senior , so sounds like someone who isnt ready to be 65 either.
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:33am
Doubledimp

My sister has booted her eldest out of the house this weekend (23, part time job, no inclination to find more permanent work, saved nothing while living rent free for a month). Any anecdotal about how this approach has worked for others?
“Scared straight” or “slippery slope to welfare-ville”?
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January 20, 2018 10:21am
- softail 1450
  
  D DIMP , my advice is if he’s level headed he will be fine ,however if he has any drug /alcohol tendencies kicking them out can be a fatal mistake.
  the worry about a son /daughter who has any sort of addiction or even nuisance problems with drugs/alcohol is much easier managed if they are close at hand .
  at 23 he’s probably going to come good in the next couple of years so booting him could be a mistake that could be regretted forever.
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:34am
- waikatogirl
  
  Know a wastrel that is nearly 40 who moved home at least 12 months ago and spends his day in bed and slouching around. More sedentary than a retired gentleman decades older.
  Softail, case in point.
  
  Doubledimp, At least your nephew is going to have to support his own lifestyle, unless he’s like above and can convince winz he’s a totally useless case.
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:10am
- kowtow
  
  Either way it’s down to his personal choices about himself and his future.
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:22am
Yvette

1 – Jacinda Ardern, offered the Labour Leadership by Little, told him “to stick it out” – poison chalice and all that shit – but six days later was rung in a taxi on the way to Parliament to be advised Little was standing down and she was Leader after all.

2 – A water tax turns messy, so Ardern makes uni-lateral “Captain’s Call”, declares Tax Working Group will look at new laws but none effective until after 2020 Election, thus somewhat strait-jacketing Finance Minister Robertson.

3 – Electorate bedazzled in fairy dust and thinking Ardern can walk on the water she’s going to tax, do not notice the Australians pointing out her popularity is yet to supported by anything she has actually done.

4 – Ardern negotiates for weeks with Winston without knowing of his Election eve legal actions against four National hierarchy and his unlikelihood to have ever form a Government with them anyway.

5 – Upsets Australians often enough to be told in no uncertain terms to MYOB.

6 – Announces finally that she is pregnant, as well as admitting it is a considerable surprise to herself and partner, who thought IVF would be needed to have any children – thus messing about (while bored out of their brains with Electioneering), getting pregnant when they thought it not possible, just like so many on the DPB, rather than the declaration that Ardern’s …
“… power pregnancy is another landmark for women’s rights in New Zealand … ” that “… in September 1893, the women of New Zealand gained the right to vote, thanks to a powerful suffrage movement led by Kate Sheppard – a world first –” and “one hundred and twenty-five years later, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern’s announcement that she would give birth while holding office adds to the country’s legacy of women’s rights achievements. – stuff

Conclusion from all above: Ardern is chronically accident prone
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  Upsets Australians ? And Trump ?
  hes upset everyone, but thats OK.!
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:11am
  - marleybob
    
    The only ones upset with Trump is the loony left, his voting base thinks he walks on water, and he does. Praise be Trumpy for actually keeping many of his election policies, just a pity the world doesn’t have more Trumpies.
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:41am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘everyone’?
    More lies. It seems he gets on well with Netanyahu, Macron, Trudeau, Duda and more leaders besides.
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:42am
- Gabby
  
  So Julee Beship had a shet fet. Beg deal.
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:45am
- Harkman
  
  She announces she is pregnant the day after we learnt that the cancelled tax cuts for the middle-class, in order to get 88,000 out of poverty, was a myth, a lie.
  
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  January 20, 2018 1:24pm
Catons

Ardern says she only told Peters she was pregnant a couple of days ago. She would have discussed it with him at least on a hypothetical basis. I am getting irritated with her little lies and her belief everything is going to be sooooo easy. Superwoman only needs 6 weeks eave from perhaps one of the most demanding jobs there is. But super girl saying she can fly through in 6 weeks with no leave before the birth despite her Government saying mums need 26 weeks. She can chair Cabinet in the morning and give birth in the afternoon. Easy-easy.
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January 20, 2018 10:50am
- Paulus
  
  In looking at the many photos of Winston standing behind the Princess look at his face – do you really think he did not know that she was pregnant.
  There is nothing Winston does not know in such matters.
  
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  January 20, 2018 10:58am
  - waikatogirl
    
    When Winnie announced to the media the 33 page addendum to the negotiations would be released but Cindy immediately squashed the release, did anyone else wonder at Winnie taking her refusal without arguing the point?! It was as if Winnie was rolling over and having his tummy scratched by Cindy. Winnie is not normally such a political poodle!
    
    I smelt a rat at the time that she was hiding something big, like a pregnancy.
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:24am
- ztev
  
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  Key cruised along, delegated practically everything except the media appearances, and got on fine.
  
  Muldoon used arrive at the office and shut the door behind him and get immersed in the paper work
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:08am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Key cruised along, delegated practically everything’
    Really.
    Can you back that up?
    After all, your word isn’t worth much.
    
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    January 20, 2018 11:43am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red ,
      
      and yours ?
      
      The Mexican border wall and so on !
      
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      January 20, 2018 11:59am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Key delegated things because he had competent Ministers whom he trusted to do the job.
    
    Ardern has Nanaia Mahuta, Kelvin Davis and the accident-prone Chris Hipkins and Phil Twyford. ‘Nuff said 😀
    
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    January 20, 2018 12:59pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Is a problem for her. Irrespective of pregnancy or not, I’ve not seen anything in Ardern that inspires me with confidence she will be a good and/or competent PM, other than on the PR front. And yes, having a child will add to her challenges.
      
      And when they were in opposition Davis, Twyford and Hipkins were among the better performing Labour MPs. They sure knew how to put pressure on their govrenment opposites and keep their portfolios in the headlines. So contrary to Ardern’s claims at the time she put together the cabinet, she does not have an ‘abundance of riches” to whom to delegate, let alone even safe pairs of hands.
      
      Credit to Mahuta, though. The way she saw emphatically off the challenge in her electorate via the Maori King/Tuku Morgan, she must at least be a hell of a local MP in touch with the concerns at the flax roots. But whether that translates to Ministerial competence is something else.
      
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      January 20, 2018 1:06pm
    - RalphT
      
      More than enough, KS. Please don’t mention those names again. Ever.
      
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      January 20, 2018 1:11pm
- lifesgood
  
  Better not have a caesarian then.
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:19am
- KiWombat
  
  She might be driving the porcelain bus whilst chairing cabinet – could be interesting !
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:34am
- holysheet
  
  Piece of piss being PM here for chompers. What has she actually done since being sworn in as PM?
  If it’s this easy why all the fuss?
  She will crumble at the first hurdle if anything bad comes her way. THEN we will see the tears start, hysterics will be blamed on her “Condition” and the drunken dwarf will step up and take over.
  God help us.
  
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  January 20, 2018 12:04pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    The next time the pressure comes on she will announce a wedding.
    
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    January 20, 2018 7:52pm
- Piniwi
  
  Interesting Catons but at 37 with the first child it will be anything but easy-easy. Most birthing mothers will confirm that there is a big reality check coming for the Commie Chick. For her it is a double whammy as the Political year gets underway and she struggles through another 6 months.
  Already well known as far from the most stable creature her situation is also likely to limit the pharmaceutical support that she runs on.
  
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  January 20, 2018 3:42pm
Digmen1

Can someone please post some mindless drivel.
I am sick of reading about the Ardern-Gayfords.
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January 20, 2018 11:11am
- holysheet
  
  Will this count
  
  Why did Raggedy Anne get thrown out of the toy box?
  Because she kept sitting on Pinocchio’s face moaning, “Lie to me!”
  
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  January 20, 2018 12:10pm
- niggly
  
  Mindless drivel you say? Well, introducing … Ztev! 😉
  
  Remember a couple of weeks ago he reckoned the Corromandel storm damage was no big deal (as in no need for LabGreenWinnieFirst Govt Ministers to visit the communities), as “the roads could be cleared in an afternoon”?
  
  Oh dear, according to Stuff today:
  
  The repair work on the Thames Coast Road after the summer storm aims to be finished by the end of March, weather permitting.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100741982/repair-work-begins-on-thames-coast-rd-after-storm
  
  By the way, in relation to “concerns” yesterday that “Winston Peters will be Acting PM” (when Jacinda is on leave), the media reassuringly reported yesterday that hey no big deal – Winston was briefly Acting PM over the Christmas/NY’s break – that is, he’s done it before (with the COL etc).
  
  Hmmm wonder what dates Winnie was Acting PM – hopefully it wasn’t during the period of the Corromandel storm?!! Funny how the MSM won’t report on that or who was in charge (but sure as heck would if National were in power)!
  
  Oh and Where Was Winston (when he was Acting PM over the Christmas break)???
  
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  January 20, 2018 12:42pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Wasn’t Winnie in the Cook Islands at Shane Jones wedding?
    
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    January 20, 2018 1:46pm
Viking2

ok.
We’ve paid $65m to get rid of some of our most treasured landscapes, through an obscure process critics have described as a vast wave of privatisation. Wealthy foreigners are snapping up valuable land once owned by the public, who in some cases paid to dispose of it. As gated estates and manicured golf courses spread through our wild places, Charlie Mitchell investigates:
Who owns the high country?

https://interactives.stuff.co.nz/2018/01/half-a-million-hectares-sold/
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January 20, 2018 12:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This was brewing 20 years ago.
  
  Labour Party have been donkey deep in selling off prime real estate.
  Amazing what can be achieved if you wrap your rort in green spin.
  http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/saving-our-environment/high-country-/tenure-review-q
  
  http://www.highcountryaccord.co.nz/index.php?page=13#2why
  
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  January 20, 2018 1:47pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Ann Brower wrote a book on this in 2008.
  
  It should be in local libraries.
  http://www.pottonandburton.co.nz/store/who-owns-the-high-country
  
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  January 20, 2018 2:02pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2018/01/19/graphic-mexican-cartel-cuts-living-victims-heart-near-acapulco/

SHIT HOLES
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January 20, 2018 12:12pm
- Inandout
  
  Normal carry on for Mexico. I think they also cut out the stomach entrails, held them, and got the victim to run away. Others were set alight in cages. A truly horrible country and one that the Democrats should walk away from rather than embracing.
  
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  January 20, 2018 12:31pm
  - Digmen1
    
    That’s what happens when you let drug gangs get out of control!
    Even the army are scared to go to some areas!
    We need a total war on drugs here.
    Really harsh sentences for importers and sellers, and jail time fro all users – even posh people.
    
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    January 20, 2018 1:38pm
    - Inandout
      
      In Mexico the politicians, Police, armed forces and Customs are up to their necks in corruption, and always have been. We are not yet there, but imagine if one of our pollies was offered a million dollars to look the other way.
      
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      January 20, 2018 3:30pm
Jack5

Invercargill Mayor Shadbolt is preparing for an appeal court hearing over a decision in his favour on a defamation action.

In his column today in the Southland Times, Shadbolt says he’s spent most of the holidays fund raising and preparing for “my defamation case, which will be held in February.”

Invercargill city councillor Karen Arnold in 2015 sued Shadbolt and Fairfax NZ over four of Shadbolt’s columns in the Southland Times, two of them also appearing on Stuff.

The Otago Daily Times reported that the columns talked about her stance on various council projects including proposed commercial transactions involving the council’s trading company Holdco, and a proposed kakapo chick and tuatara display house.

Arnold lodged an appeal after losing the preliminary action. Shadbolt has counterclaimed over a letter to the editor of the Southland Times from Arnold.

Arnold unsuccessfully stood for Mayor in 2016 against Shadbolt.

Meanwhile, Shadbolt says the heat wave in Southland led to folk in Nelson quipping to him that Shadbolt’s city would be changing its name to Invercairo, but the quips were a change from “you brought the rain with you from Southland.”
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January 20, 2018 12:21pm
Sofia

“Stuff” should apologise for its over-the-top Ardern adoration drivel in comparing Jacinda’s pregnancy during her Prime Ministership to the womens’ rights landmark achievement of Kate Sheppard?

Sheppard was at least highly active and determined in her goal …
“While Ardern had not anticipated that she might become pregnant, she said she was grateful the decision ended up being out of her hands.”

It seems her role in this was as passive as that which saw her become Labour Leader.
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January 20, 2018 12:59pm
- holysheet
  
  Maybe she was taught to lie back and think of some communist shit hole of a country, while gayford did the deed?
  
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  January 20, 2018 1:10pm
  - stephieboy
    
    holysheet , thoughtful analysis in the great Trumpeter tradition .
    
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    January 20, 2018 1:47pm
  - Viking2
    
    You mean like,lay back and think of Queen and Country!
    
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    January 20, 2018 2:17pm
    - holysheet
      
      yep, only I was being more up to date, knowing her preference for the commo state.
      
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      January 20, 2018 2:44pm
- Digmen1
  
  Why should they apologise, they are only doing what any woman’s magazine does!
  
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  January 20, 2018 2:28pm
- MrTips
  
  Stuff will not apologise while Sinead Boucher is in charge. Sinead and Cindy are very tight. Cindy is way smarter than Sinead though….yes, that’s saying something isn’t it?!
  
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  January 20, 2018 2:35pm
Left Right and Centre

Babymania only scored 4/10 on stuff ‘most popular’ stories – when I looked anyway.

Maybe it was 6-7 at peak msm feeding frenzy ?

I think they should forget the rest of the news over the weekend. Poor little news folk must be run ragged working out how to milk it for every last drop.
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January 20, 2018 1:18pm
- Inandout
  
  Dom headline FBI, Russia and NRA. Not a squeak about Hillary, like the Foundation shenanigins don’t exist.
  
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  January 20, 2018 3:26pm
waikatogirl

Cindy’s confirmed pregnancy and her position as PM gives her the ability to keep NZ a safe haven for her child and the rest of the children of NZ. Which makes her recent and prolonged demanding of Australia that the dregs of economic migrants from Manus Island come to NZ even worse.

I guess ideology trumps safety concerns.
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January 20, 2018 2:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Av house Price Pt Chevalier – 1.5M+
  Av 3-bedroom rental – $660-700/week
  Primary school decile rating – 10
  
  Somehow I don’t think many refugee families will be settling in the PM’s suburb.
  
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  January 20, 2018 2:09pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Sweet – that’s one bedroom each family.
    Luxury !!
    
    Look at these first world fux with their running water and indoor plumbing. Talk about posh.
    
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    January 20, 2018 8:44pm
- Harriet
  
  I’ve said it all along Waikatogirl that immigration is a matter of public safety.
  The only people who should becoming to NZ from now on are those from relatively ordered societies; public and private institutions and the rule of law.
  
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  January 20, 2018 5:42pm
Viking2

“While she is away for the six weeks that she’s announced, the country will be in great hands and the sun will still come up in the morning and with Winston Peters as the Acting Prime Minister I think it will be in good shape.”

“It certainly just goes to show what a vibrant and exciting new Government that we’ve got. I think it’s a wonderful thing. Having three children myself I understand they’ll be very excited.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11978262

Everything’s gunna be great with Winston in charge.
Hirrrumph.
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January 20, 2018 2:15pm
- ztev
  
  NZ has a cabinet system of government.
  The Cabinet is in charge as it always has been.
  
  Peters will be acting PM with a limited role and Ardern will only be a phone call away and will obviously keep up with details and paperwork.
  
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  January 20, 2018 4:17pm
  - lifesgood
    
    LOL…keep up with paper work…lol. What sort of rock do you live under. She will be pacing the floor, a screaming colicky baby slung over her shoulder, she will be sleepless, stressed, neurotic….keep up with the paper work? Don’t make me laugh
    
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    January 20, 2018 5:10pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Girls can do anything.
      Especially if you pay them enough.
      
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      January 20, 2018 8:58pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

The over the top reporting of an impregnated female only reinforces what I have always told overseas visitors and friends in that nothing much really happens in New Zealand.
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January 20, 2018 2:18pm
- VicParking
  
  Or with Man. United.
  
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  January 20, 2018 2:41pm
MCos

NZ’s prime minister is having a baby with a man she’s not married to and he’s going to be a stay at home dad while she runs the country.
WELCOME TO 2018, MOTHERFUCKERS.
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January 20, 2018 3:09pm
Manolo

The allure of crime:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/kim-dotcoms-busy-saturday/ar-AAuUSOm

Kim Dotcom has a packed day to mark the sixth anniversary of his arrest – getting married and launching new legal proceedings against the New Zealand Government.
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January 20, 2018 4:04pm
- Longknives
  
  I want to say ‘Punching above his Weight’ but Kim Dotcom weighs about 300kg of pure blubber so I guess all we can say is-
  She must love him for his sense of Humour!
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3445234/Is-Kim-Dotcom-21-year-old-girlfriend-Elizabeth.html
  
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  January 20, 2018 5:13pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”She must love him for his sense of Humour”…..
    
    Or his bank balance……money & power are powerful aphrodisiacs. It worked for Muldoon, it worked for Trump & there are plenty of other examples.
    
    Even Andrew Little might get laid if he gets the nod when Chompers calls it a day. 🙂
    
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    January 20, 2018 5:26pm
    - Longknives
      
      C’mon Nasska- I think even ‘Gold-Digging/Starfucking’ Bimbos have their limits…
      
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      January 20, 2018 5:36pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Longknives:
    
    Kim Dotcom weighs about 300kg of pure blubber
    
    On wedding night the missionary position could present a logistical challenge!
    
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    January 20, 2018 5:37pm
    - nasska
      
      Love & the Matrimonial Property Act will find a way for consummation to take place. 🙂
      
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      January 20, 2018 5:39pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        It’s a problem, Nasska. Parliamentary counsel are trained to think of all possible situations when drafting legislation, but Kim Dotcom and consummation might have been a step too far for even the most visionary and imaginative parliamentary counsel in the land!
        
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        January 20, 2018 5:48pm
    - Longknives
      
      “On wedding night the missionary position could present a logistical challenge!”
      
      Look- I’ll be brutally honest.
      I’ve seen Mrs Dotcom’s Facebook/Instagram pics.
      I don’t think she is the ‘Wait for Marriage’ type…
      
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      January 20, 2018 5:48pm
      - Harriet
        
        I bet she gives him awesome bodyslides. 😎
        
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        January 20, 2018 6:40pm
    - RF
      
      Many years ago I remember watching an old film of knights of old jousting outside a castle.
      
      To mount their horses they were hoisted up with a block and tackle arrangement on a wooden tripod and the horse positioned below. Then they were lowered onto the saddle.
      
      That would solve the Huns consummation difficulties.
      
      Edit. It’s tea time so sorry to spoil your meal
      
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      January 20, 2018 6:15pm
  - Muzza M
    
    LK, having lived in the Philippines on and off for 8 years, I know in most cases exactly why these girls “love” their foreign bf’s/husbands. In their National language it is called mercano or pera.
    
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    January 20, 2018 7:17pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

Vic Parking, you sound like a bitter old scouser.
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January 20, 2018 4:20pm
Harriet

Jacinda Ardern gets knocked up

“…..I think the saddest part of this whole episode is that no-one has dared to suggest that perhaps Jacinda may not want to come back to work after taking her 6 weeks of maternity leave, or she may not be able to carry on working in a high-pressure job as the pregnancy progresses. What about the health of herself and the baby? Feminist journalists are raving how Jacinda is basically a superwoman who will prove to the world that she can run a country while pregnant. They have put so much pressure on her to be the perfect woman that I almost feel sorry for her.
In a world not run by left-wing media, we could have had a serious discussion about the challenges of being pregnant as a 37 year old while remaining effective in a high-stress job, but I guess that’s far too sensible for our media organisations….”

Supercommiechick will tank. 😎

https://www.xyz.net.au/jacinda-ardern-gets-knocked/
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January 20, 2018 5:18pm
- Digmen1
  
  Didn’t Mark Richardson ask these type of questions? and get shot down!
  
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  January 20, 2018 5:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  Harriet , at last a website where you can vent your pet alt right hates and take cheap shots !
  
  BTW What’s a” commie” ?
  
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  January 20, 2018 5:56pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    take cheap shots !
    
    You know, as someone who accidentally outed himself on Kiwiblog and then apparently asked DPF to remove the comment, you shouldn’t be making cheap shots of your own.
    
    Here’s 3 recent examples:
    
    16 January 2018: Harriet … Does your pastor and church members mirror your views ?
    
    18 January 2018: Scott , does your pastor use the S or F word liberally during his sermons ?
    
    19 January 2018: Harriet , I trust your Vicar/ Pastor will include them in the prayers of intercession on Sunday ? Hopefully you will kindly consent to read them .
    
    Hopefully you’ll take the opportunity tomorrow (assuming you go to church) to reconcile your hypocrisy of claiming to be a Christian while taking potshots at other people’s religious beliefs.
    
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    January 20, 2018 6:25pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”claiming to be a Christian while taking potshots at other’s religious beliefs”….
      
      But never Muslims’ religious beliefs. Strange that…..very strange.
      
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      January 20, 2018 6:30pm
    - holysheet
      
      This is stooopidboys church
      
      Anglican Church of Saint Alban The Martyr
      443 Dominion Road
      Auckland
      An Anglican Church in the Catholic Tradition.
      
      He will be there tomorrow to ask the chief sky fairy for forgiveness for all the shit he spews here on KB.
      Isn’t that right Ralph?
      
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      January 20, 2018 7:50pm
      - Harkman
        
        Most Anglican Ministers are Fabian Socialists.
        
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        January 20, 2018 10:47pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I’d love to join you gentlemen at 9.30 am but alas I’m worshipping at the most sacred Altar of Hampton Downs today
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        January 21, 2018 7:57am
      - GazzaW
        
        These blokes are more Catholic than the Catholics. Don’t mistake them for regulation-issue Anglicans Harkman.
        
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        January 21, 2018 9:51am
Viking2

NZ’s first rocket launch about to go, live.

https://www.facebook.com/RocketLabUSA/videos/2000069826872823/?hc_ref=ARQRqJZqYXcr1IXW8v8H9eloEJ1aAkroS3XjG1TfIQd8VnrxDJFK8oGsAXiFyx5QX0o
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January 20, 2018 5:29pm
- Digmen1
  
  It seems that the slightest thing puts them off launching.
  
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  January 20, 2018 6:28pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Maybe they need a bigger milk bottle.
    
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    January 21, 2018 12:37am
Maggy Wassilieff

Europe enduring darkest winter EVA (since records began)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/19/aint-no-sunshine-winter-darkest-europe
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January 20, 2018 5:45pm
- Inandout
  
  There was no climate before records, honest. Those accounts of the Thames River drying up or freezing solid are folklore, honest.
  
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  January 20, 2018 6:40pm
  - KevOB
    
    Please explain the paintings of the period and the Frost Fairs.
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:09pm
- Ross12
  
  Maggy
  I read somewhere the other day that Moscow had 3 minutes of sunshine in December.
  
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  January 20, 2018 6:53pm
  - holysheet
    
    Anything you read or hear out of Russia, is False News
    
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    January 20, 2018 7:54pm
  - Inandout
    
    Maggy, your eyes have a Russian connection. Tsk tsk.
    
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    January 20, 2018 8:00pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      ерунда
      
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      January 20, 2018 9:37pm
nasska

Few could feel other than pity for a woman suffering the misfortune to be born into the hell known as Islam. Consider the afflictions her arsehole religion has brought upon her:

Diabetes due to years spent indoors just cooking, child minding & eating.

Ongoing medical complications as a result of the genital mutilation she suffered as a child.

Rickets due to a vitamin D deficiency caused by a lifetime dressed in a garbage bag even in a NZ climate.

Numerous genetic disorders including poor cognitive reasoning, eyesight, heart & respiratory function caused by her cultures acceptance of marrying first cousins & nieces.

Domestic violence promoted by her status of an inferior chattel.

Sucks to be Muslim with a surplus of X chromosomes.
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January 20, 2018 8:35pm
- Digmen1
  
  Can’t drive
  You get stoned to death if your husband commits adultery
  You churn out baby after baby.
  
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  January 20, 2018 11:20pm
Left Right and Centre

So is the moment of birth going to be live on every media platform or what ?
I’m thinking induce it to wave to the cameras at 6pm on the dot.

These are my finest 8am zingers I’m wasting here. . .
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January 20, 2018 8:52pm
- nasska
  
  I fully expect the Nativity to be declared a public holiday LR&C. The proletariat will fill the streets waving flags to celebrate the glorious event.
  
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  January 20, 2018 8:57pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    It’s going to make ’95 America’s Cup parade look like Friday work drinks . . .
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:16pm
    - nasska
      
      Think of the rake off in “I Love Chomper’s Baby” T Shirts. Then there’s the the nappies endorsements: “Taxcinda prefers Treasures”.
      
      The country will boom. 🙂
      
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      January 20, 2018 9:22pm
  - RF
    
    I am going to rent out tent sites at the Mt. John Observatory in Tekapo.
    
    The sky is not polluted by light down there and you will have a clear view of the bright star that will announce the birth.
    
    No street lights so watch out for 3 dudes riding camels.
    
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    January 20, 2018 9:40pm
    - GazzaW
      
      It’s going to be bloody tough for Labour to find three wise men.
      
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      January 21, 2018 12:41am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Bwhahahahahahahaha
        
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        January 21, 2018 7:53am
RF

Watching Labour during the last few months I am so confident that 2018 will be their Annus Horribilis.

Time to buy in bulk supplies of popcorn.
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Manolo

If there was ever a true shithole:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/01/20/gunmen-reportedly-attack-kabuls-intercontinental-hotel.html
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