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William of Ockham

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@Wayne Mapp and three others. 😉

https://www.carbonbrief.org/qa-how-do-climate-models-work
In the first article of a week-long series focused on climate modelling, Carbon Brief explains in detail how scientists use computers to understand our changing climate. 15/01/2018

A global climate model typically contains enough computer code to fill 18,000 pages of printed text; it will have taken hundreds of scientists many years to build and improve; and it can require a supercomputer the size of a tennis court to run.

A comprehensive and clear yet simple explanation of work involving thousands of scientists around the world.
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January 16, 2018 8:01am
- renderer
  
  Day after day, how droll and bloody boring
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:03am
  - William of Ockham
    
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    Today: extra energy equivalent to 200,000 Hiroshima bombs added to the climate system.
    
    Tomorrow: extra energy equivalent to 200,000 Hiroshima bombs added to the climate system.
    
    Every day: extra energy equivalent to 200,000 Hiroshima bombs added to the climate system.
    
    Boring.
    
    Warming.
    
    Heating up our habitat.
    
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    January 16, 2018 8:36am
    - Peter
      
      Yes, yes William. We get it.
      
      Fear the guesswork. If you want. Everyone needs a hobby.
      
      The rest of us will get on with other things.
      
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      January 16, 2018 8:55am
      - William of Ockham
        
        No. You don’t get it. You dumb bastard.
        
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        January 16, 2018 12:03pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        I see that whatever university WoO went to taught him/her the finer points of academic debate. Can’t produce a lucid, coherent argument? Call the other side a “Dumb Bastard” ( and compare them to paedophiles) Classy, and really strengthens your side’s position.
        
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        January 16, 2018 2:07pm
      - Peter
        
        Perhaps reached a different understanding than you, William.
        
        You may free up some time if you make more effort to grasp this reality, although I would have thought the down-votes would have been an indicator of same to a bright chap like yourself.
        
        In summary: overhyped, over-estimated, wrapped in an obvious left wing agenda and all a bit of a yawn.
        
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        January 16, 2018 4:17pm
      - William of Ockham
        
        What on Earth makes you believe you can have an opinion that differs from – to all intents and purposes – every publishing climate scientist on the planet? And every scientific institution and society?
        
        Any other fucking nonsense you want to espouse as “an opinion”?
        
        What do you “feel” about gravity? Quantum mechanics?
        
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        January 16, 2018 5:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        Willy you retard, of course they will not “publish” things that might threaten the biggest source of funding in the history of science.
        
        If “publishing” something is your test – we live on a flat earth and never went to the moon.
        
        Raise your game !
        
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        January 16, 2018 6:01pm
      - Peter
        
        The fact you’re losing it, William, is a sure sign of having no argument.
        
        Which you don’t, as you’re also making things up. My position is in line with some scientists, but not others. It’s also in line with the data, not the overplayed lies of the activist left as they try to spin it.
        
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        January 16, 2018 8:25pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Read this WoO. Then refute each point with evidence.
        
        I know its a bit out of date (2016), but that’s not too serious. https://www.cfact.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/CFACT-Climate-Truth-File-2016.pdf
        
        Enjoy!
        
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        January 16, 2018 8:56pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        And this. Real physics.
        
        http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:15pm
- mandk
  
  I think we’ve found the source of climate change, people.
  
  It’s all those bloody scientists running supercomputers the size of tennis courts.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:11am
- Paulus
  
  Which taxpayer would put forward taxpayers money to suffice the financial needs of these scientists.
  Of course they will carry on as long as their own money is not being used.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:13am
- JIV
  
  And yet no method of prediction has been so consistently wrong. Almost as if they have no idea how the whole system works and are merely just drawing squiggly lines up a graph to please their employers.
  
  I’m also curious as to which model accurately predicted the record cold spells being experienced in the northern hemisphere, as Al Gore once again said it was fully expected and proved Global Warming beyond a doubt.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:14am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The models are fundamentally too simplistic to be anywhere close to predictive. Their greatest weakness being absence of highly nonlinear and chaotic water processes, from ocean convection, to waves, to evaporation and convective atmospheric mixing and condensation (cloud formation).
    Other big problem is that calculated grid scales are 100km on a side, they would need to be a few metres to do a decent job with convective processes. Computers need to be at least trillions of times faster to do a reasonable job of climate prediction, Which is not going to happen for at least many decades, if not centuries.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:17am
    - William of Ockham
      
      So you believe uncertainty will save our habitat?
      
      Not one scientific institution or society agrees with you.
      
      Not in any branch of science.
      
      Not anywhere in the world.
      
      Dunning-Kruger personified!
      
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      January 16, 2018 12:07pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Is that your new tag line William ? “Dunning-Kruger personified”. It certainly fits.
        
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        January 16, 2018 12:31pm
- ztev
  
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  Tell us about the results, they dont just give a single answer . They run then maybe hundreds of times, the answers can be spread out, as of course there is a different result each time.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:15am
  - Kleva Kiwi
    
    That’s right cause its a supercomputer that is the size of a tennis court, because size matters right?
    
    Just a note, but the next generation super computers being built now will require in excess of 20MW power to run…
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:04am
    - ztev
      
      20MW ?
      That would be 200 plus Cray XC computing cabinets.
      One of the current largest or so is 9MW, with 200 cabinets and a bit bigger than tennis court (195m2)
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:26am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Climate modelling is nothing more than Augery at this stage. Scientists from other branches of science and technology (engineering) laugh at their standards of analysis.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:22am
    - William of Ockham
      
      IgNobel Prize for Ignorance in the mail.
      
      The science is at least as robust as plate tectonics and evolution.
      
      Equally beyond engineers, though. Blowhard.
      
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      January 16, 2018 12:11pm
      - realityczech
        
        Willy the “scientific consensus” opposed the theory of plate tectonics for years.
        
        Even though the empirical evidence for it was many times stronger than that for slightly warmer weather -in some places- occasionally.
        
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        January 16, 2018 12:27pm
      - ztev
        
        So what is the actual value for Climate Sensitivity then?
        ‘Climate sensitivity specifically due to CO2 is often expressed as the temperature change in °C associated with a doubling of the concentration of carbon dioxide in Earth’s atmosphere.’
        
        Whats that number WO?
        
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        January 16, 2018 12:34pm
      - alloytoo
        
        “The science is at least as robust as plate tectonics and evolution”
        
        Yet the predictions are consistently wrong, as apposed to the remarkable robustness of Tectonics or evolution.
        
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        January 16, 2018 12:48pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        ECS from ARGO data (really the only remotely reliable method of possibly being able to figure it out) is about 1.75°C, and given rapid rise of PV and battery tech it is unlikely we will ever reach double the 280ppm pre-industrial CO2 levels.
        
        It is thought that slightly warmer conditions are on average globally beneficial for agriculture etc – the warming is mostly in the temperate parts of the world – not the tropics where water evaporation limits sea temps to around 30°C. It increases arable land extent, and we know that increased CO2 levels dramatically increase plant growth rates and green desserts like the Sahal. This has boosted plant growth rates about +30% since 1800’s. Without this increase we might not be able to sustain the current population.
        
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        January 16, 2018 2:22pm
    - William of Ockham
      
      Your comment above is totally wrong. There is no way we’ll not hit +2K and soon. As for the belief agriculture will benefit from more CO2 — overall it will not. Already there are problems with soil, water and declining nutrition of crops.
      
      Two Cambridge University Press textbooks for you. Andrew Dessler: Introduction to Modern Climate Change. John Houghton: An introduction to Global Warming the complete briefing.
      
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      January 16, 2018 6:05pm
radvad

Was at the waka ama festival at Karapiro yesterday and met the lead actor in an upcoming movie called Broken. It is a modern day version of the story of Tarore, a 12 year old girl who was murdered near Matamata in 1836. Her murder and the subsequent events are a significant New Zealand story and have been written about by Joy Cowley. Instead of tribal conflict the movie uses gang warfare. It was mainly filmed in Gisborne and will premier there this weekend. Watch for it.
Here is a link to the trailer.
https://cityimpactchurch.com/stories/broken/
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January 16, 2018 8:01am
- lifesgood
  
  Sounds like just the sort of film I wouldn’t want to see.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:41am
- waikatogirl
  
  Basically, a repeat of “Once Were Warriors”.
  Sadly no change.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:45am
- cmm
  
  No doubt whitey’s fault.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:30am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Yes it is. We created the welfare system that sustains this behaviour.
    
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    January 16, 2018 2:49pm
Captain Mainwaring

So the New Year’s first edition of Newshub’s “The Project” featured wall-to-wall Queen Jacinda telling us all how wonderful she and her gang of losers are.
Not a question about the guy who’s never set foot in New Zealand being sent here by Australia as a lawbreaker. Nothing being asked about why there are still people living in cars and nothing at all about Twyford suddenly losing interest in a guy whose property keeps getting flooded from an adjacent HNZ site. He was berating the Nats over this before the election even when they were doing something about it and now that he’s the Minister he’s become invisible.
Nah, nothing to see here, the MSM have got their “Government” in power so that’s all there is to it. Labour’s wheels will continue to get greased and that is the end of the story.
And don’t go to Newshub for anything better. FFS we have Hilary Barry and Jack Tame there now.
Time to turn out the lights on a once great and proud country.
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January 16, 2018 8:02am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Correction: Don’t go to 7 Sharp because that’s where Hilary and toyboy are.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:14am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Correct Captain. Jack Lame still on Breakfast and will come-host the show with failed Green wanabee Hayley Holt. It seems tvnz are finding it difficult to recruit suitable people for the role. I think Hayley’s a fantastic ballroom dancer, skiboarder etc but will be unable to critique her performance in the Breakfasr role as I can’t abide the show, the main reason being Jack Tame. I stopped watching it when Barry & Tame fronted and, also, the silliness of Brodie Kabe did it for me as well. I won’t be watching Hillary Barry in the evening either. Toni Street did my head in and was not sorry to see the end of her.
    
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    January 16, 2018 11:36am
- oldgolfer
  
  Quite right, Captain – and for god’s sake don’t go near Stuff unless you want to be bombarded with version after version of the latest anti-Trump stories.
  Twerps.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:16am
  - kaykaybee
    
    Jacinda is beyond vapid and has nothing but a good deal of lazily pronounced words in her tuckerbag. Pretty well all of them she uses to describe to the fawning public how wonderful she is. Delivering them, as she does, with feigned sincerity and a quizzical yet all knowing look – the terminally blind fail to see her vacuity.
    
    This Jacindaland is a very, very weird and strange world.
    
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    January 16, 2018 11:38am
- ztev
  
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  The guy whos property gets flooded from an overland flow path
  The Housing Corp property next door has nothing to do with it as it was built in 1959.
  Its gravity, water flows to a lower point.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:21am
  - 4077th
    
    Perhaps you should have explained that to Twatford when he used the complainant as a stick to beat the government with and now ignores him?
    
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    January 16, 2018 8:29am
    - ztev
      
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      Didnt ignore him, just called him and said as hes now the minister he cant get involved in a particular case, but his local labour MP can and has done so.
      
      The guy is a few buckets of water short of a Courtney Pl fountain.
      he doesnt think water will flow down hill, and the neighbouring house which has been there since 1959 is the cause of his problems.
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:43am
      - 4077th
        
        So why then did he drop Alfred Ngaro in it and call on him to do something when he knew damed well Ngaro had the same problem? You’re so full of it your eyes a brown Z-Trev. It is the uphill property owners responsibility to ensure any storm water run off is properly contained and not causing damage too any other property as a result. If the property owner does not rectify the problem the council may intervene. In this case the property belongs to HNZ. So, they need to sort out their shit and fix it. The problem for Twatford now is that using a constituent as a pawn in his little game has shone yet another light on this waste of space of a “minister”.
        
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        January 16, 2018 11:06am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Agree with 4077th on this. Come on ztev – this is your chance. Show us all your not just a red team shill.
    
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    January 16, 2018 8:46am
- 4077th
  
  I see the failed green candidate and resident air head has been installed on Breakfast TV. She is like the proverbial bad penny..
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:27am
  - igm
    
    She is yet another vile left-wing feminist. And to think taxpayers are funding the useless leeches. Hopefully advertisers will abandon them as they have Fairfax and APN (NZME).
    
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    January 16, 2018 8:41am
- Adolf Fiinkensein
  
  NZ politics has become banal and boring while Australian politics is just banal.
  
  US politics, on the other hand, is exciting and invigorating. I never thought it possible for so many leftist heads to explode simultaneously.
  
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  January 16, 2018 2:23pm
  - Manolo
    
    Exciting times, indeed.
    
    Even our own stephieboy cannot stop watching American politics on television between prayer times at the mosque.
    
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    January 16, 2018 2:29pm
Left Right and Centre

Hilary Barry – moving to Seven Sharp
Hayley Holt – helping you choke on cornflakes.
Kerre McIvor – making you feel five years old.

Bloody msm – it’s like they want us to hate them.
*sigh*

I read they’ll give the ‘heavyweight’ interviews to Jack Tame. Hahahahaha o-o-o-o-kay !!
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January 16, 2018 8:04am
- pdm
  
  `I read they’ll give the ‘heavyweight’ interviews to Jack Tame. Hahahahaha o-o-o-o-kay !!’
  
  Bloody hell – that is just about as big a turn off as Kerre McIver taking over from Leighton Smith.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:12am
  - GazzaW
    
    McIvor taking over from Leighton has to be some sort of long service award. There’s a time and a place for her but it sure as hell isn’t the weekday morning slot. Unfortunately she has an audience that is quite uncondusive to discussing subjects of significance. Surely to God there were more suitable options – Sean Plunket, Mike Yardley, Chris Lynch to name just a few.
    
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    January 16, 2018 8:46am
    - pdm
      
      They could have moved Larry Williams to Leighton’s spot and maybe Chris Lynch or Mike Yardley to Larry’s afternoon slot.
      
      Makes more sense to me.
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:15am
      - ztev
        
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        But then you are a silly old fart in the 55+ age group that advertisers dont want- well apart from those selling funeral insurance and such
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:40am
      - pdm
        
        ztev – in response I say.
        – silly – yes because I engage with you.
        – aged almost 72 so in the age group you infer
        -old fart – definitely not because I still work 17-30 hours a
        week by choice to keep active and mentally fit..
        
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        January 16, 2018 11:25am
      - GazzaW
        
        …..and international travel, cruises, retirement homes, investment plans, high spec vehicles, motorhomes, health care et al. All the low value stuff.
        
        As usual you’re full of bullshit ztev. That’s why ZB’s advertising people can surcharge advertising on Leighton’s show.
        
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        January 16, 2018 4:31pm
    - Jigsaw
      
      Anyone but Kerre – her idea of radio is just brainless
      twittering…..
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:18am
- Paulus
  
  They all look like women’s names – this I assume is the future – men need not apply any more now that we are ruled by Princesses.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:15am
  - ztev
    
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    Cough… Those women are replacing other women.
    
    havent announced the man who is taking over from Hosking – was glad to see the end of that cats bum face every night
    
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    January 16, 2018 8:25am
    - igm
      
      Would sooner see the end of you!
      
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      January 16, 2018 8:27am
      - oldpark
        
        igm
        A brilliant reply to the pest Ztev. He is on KB so much .Almost saturation coverage with his Lie-bour/Green/Peters propaganda lies, and some days controls the site.
        Maybe the KB blog site should be named after him.
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:24am
      - srylands
        
        If ztev were paid to do this I’d get it. But he claims that it is just him (or her, but probably him).
        
        Why would anyone choose to spend 12 hours a day most days acting all obsessive compulsive on a blog? It is a very odd life.
        
        Personally, I think Ztev detracts from kiwiblog in a manner, and to a degree that I have not seen in the five years I have read kiwiblog. It is the tone, content, pedantry, and the sheer volume of the comments that makes it impossible to avoid.
        
        I think he is a threat to the blog. But I suspect that is the intention.
        
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        January 16, 2018 7:29pm
    - 4077th
      
      Look… it’s the pot calling the kettle black..!
      
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      January 16, 2018 8:33am
- hullkiwi
  
  No chance of getting any balance out of any part of the MSM, when they are over paid prima donnas saying everything is fine because they are OK.
  
  Because corporate media editorial policy is to the left there will be no adverse stories about Taxcinda & her merry band of incompetents until the economy goes tits & people feel (or don’t) in their wallets.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:19am
- dime
  
  podcasts are your friend!
  
  how anyone listens to zb is beyond me.
  
  ads every 5 minutes? or is it 8?
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:51am
- flipper
  
  But Holt (a sometime Richie McCaw squeeze?) was on the Redmelons list so she must be Ok. No ????????
  The hell she is.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:08am
  - Harkman
    
    I think Ritchie ditched her once he learned her utterly ridiculous politics.
    
    Did anybody hear what she had to say about National only months ago on that pathetic Duke show “Banter?”
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:46am
- cmm
  
  The solution to all of this:
  
  Click.
  
  Don’t give them your eyeballs.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:32am
Southern Raider

Is that Penny Bright handing out down on quay St protesting against AT chopping down some old shitty trees?
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January 16, 2018 8:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Yes.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:15am
  - Southern Raider
    
    She looks very lonely
    
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    January 16, 2018 8:17am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Quick get that other useless mouth piece Patrick Reynolds down there to support her. Whoops he can’t do that anymore, he’s too busy supping at the table of those he likes to lobby against as a member of an AT Board subcommittee (thanks Lester for nothing).
      
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      January 16, 2018 8:23am
    - lifesgood
      
      It looks like rain over the next few days…heavy rain! Oh dear, how sad, never mind, Penny.
      
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      January 16, 2018 8:44am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Rain will be good for the trees
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:23am
      - cmm
        
        Free shower!
        
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        January 16, 2018 10:13am
      - sooty
        
        She will be able to take a bar of soap to the protest.
        
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        January 16, 2018 12:41pm
- Harkman
  
  Watch out, saying her name just once is enough to ensure that she comes to visit and it is incredibly boring.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:50am
  - sooty
    
    Yer, but we can take the piss at the old trollop.
    
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    January 16, 2018 12:42pm
- Southern Raider
  
  She was still there on the way home. Imagine if she had as much dedication to paying her rates as she does to saving trees
  
  Can’t say I’ve seen her talking to anyone this week though and she seems to just be sitting their on her phone
  
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  January 16, 2018 7:41pm
EAD_TWO

You have to wonder about the Irish. They spent hundreds of years and spilled countless blood fighting for independence over minor Religious differences only to be overrun by low IQ Black Savages from all sorts of Shitholes.

Even the Irish Police won’t confront this human trash:

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2048259/schoolboy-gangs-who-are-terrorising-west-dublin-locals-and-targeting-taxi-drivers-being-left-to-run-amok-by-gardai/

GANGS of young men “terrorising” locals and targeting taxi drivers in west Dublin are being “left to run amok” by gardai because they don’t have the resources to deal with them.

The teenage thugs, who are moving through Blanchardstown and out to north county Dublin, have been behind a number of vicious assaults, robberies and even threats on the lives of gardai in recent months.

The fearless yobs are “arrested every week” for violent incidents such as assault causing harm, possession of offensive weapons, violent disorder and criminal damage, according to sources.

And politicians in the areas say gardai risk setting off “a mini riot” every time they decide to put their foot down and arrest one of the youths.

How did the Irish of all people allow it to get this bad?

Alan Shatter, the Irish Minister of immigration who oversaw this invasion has a lot to answer for.
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January 16, 2018 8:12am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It can’t be as bad as the newspapers make out. If it was, the native population would boycott the “trash” and refuse to offer them goods and services. (That’s what would happen in Japan.)
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:59am
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes and don’t sell your houess to them
    And don’t rent houses to them
    Don’t offer them jobs
    And don’t buy from their shops.
    They would soon get the message that they are not wanted.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:11am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Digmen1,
      The problem lies with the “yoof.” What do we know about a typical member of this group?
      
      – He won’t ever buy a house
      – He won’t pay rent (the State might, on his behalf)
      – He won’t be looking for a job
      
      A private business has the right to sell to whoever it chooses. (It’s called a free market.)
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:23am
      - sooty
        
        As long as its cash up front.
        
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        January 16, 2018 12:44pm
    - Gabby
      
      I don’t think they want to work or buy houses dicman, they seem to help themselves to what they want.
      
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      January 16, 2018 4:59pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    It can’t be as bad as the newspapers make out. If it was, the native population would boycott the “trash”
    
    One would think so Odakyu but it takes a real heretic these days to act in such a way when just about every institution of power (state, churches, educational establishment, media) forces them to point out the Emperor’s fine clothes.
    
    If you’ve ever read Irish Savant (quite possibly the most droll commentator in the blogosphere), you will understand the psychological warfare against the native Irish people.
    
    http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/07/ireland-of-cucks.html?m=0
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:17am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      EAD_TWO,
      
      I still maintain that the problem hasn’t gotten bad enough yet.
      These “institutions of power” have made efforts to silence the nasty hissing of the local native population, even though this noise is simply the locals’ way of letting off steam. The danger is that if you double down on the safety valves to silence the annoying noise, eventually there will be an almighty explosion and great damage.
      
      Free speech is the safety mechanism by which civil society seeks to reach consensus over and ultimately to solve its community problems. Suppress it at your peril.
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:29am
  - stephieboy
    
    Odakyu-sen , your deluded if you think Japan does not have a youth crime problem ,
    
    https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/01/31/national/media-national/changing-motives-behind-juvenile-crime-japan/#.Wl0UdiN7Gi4
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:53am
    - GazzaW
      
      ‘One swallow doth not a summer make.’
      
      Picking a random act is hardly indicative of a juvenile crime wave stephie. It could equally be said that NZ has a perversion problem because of the antisocial gazings of a single individual at St Lukes.
      
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      January 16, 2018 12:30pm
    - realityczech
      
      stuuuupidboy, you are comparing rape, murder, drug dealing and robbery, with the “crimes” of Japanese teens such as answering back and being 2 minutes late to work.
      
      In Japan the justice system is the least of your worries as the social stigma will haunt you and your family for generations. The Japanese culture is what keeps them honest.
      
      Unlike the ferals you spend so much time defending.
      
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      January 16, 2018 12:32pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc,
        
        “ The Japanese culture is what keeps them honest.” ???
        
        This ?
        
        https://thediplomat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/thediplomat_2014-04-16_09-28-27-386×243.jpg
        
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        January 16, 2018 2:43pm
      - realityczech
        
        “This ?”
        
        Yes the Japanese are proud of their culture and defend it. They don’t like you Muslims much, but they also don’t attack Muslims countries.
        
        Hard to argue with that.
        
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        January 16, 2018 5:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc , the Japanese did attack and occupy Muslim countries during WW2 . I think youth crime in Japan can be more serious than you ever could have imagined,
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0K7nycw6Cs
        
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        January 16, 2018 5:26pm
- wombatge
  
  It quite simple how it happens, you only have to come to Melbourne to witness a display of how to let the youth do as they please, and turn a blind eye to it all. These problems are all created by politicians.
  Once you go into denial and totally ignore the facts in front of you, society is on the road to ruin.
  You get what ask for, Melbourne is the most liveable city, what a joke.
  Insurance is rapidly becoming an essential that people cannot afford, looking for your stolen car, check car sales in Dubai, it is a total shitfight backed up by crap politicians, judges appointed for all the wrong reasons, and you guessed it, a continuing political police commissioner. Nixon started this a decade ago.
  I would think Irelands problems pale into significance.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:26am
- cmm
  
  “How did the Irish of all people allow it to get this bad?”
  
  They had to hand in their balls when they joined the EU.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:33am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO, it goes back along way evidently from this article than your low IQ blacks and Tabloid Irish Sun ,
  
  https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/irish-gangs-recruit-children-as-young-as-11-into-serious-crime-1.2972763
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:48am
  - realityczech
    
    “low IQ blacks”
    
    As opposed to what stuuupidboy ?
    
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    January 16, 2018 12:33pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What is that English phrase?
  
  Irish society is going down the Shatter?
  
  Maybe it will become one of those ___hole countries that Trump has allegedly spoken about…?
  
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  January 16, 2018 10:28am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Reading Alan Shatter’s profile on Wikipedia, it turns out he is Jewish:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Shatter
    
    What are the odds of that? There must be a couple of thousand Jews at most in Ireland yet one ends up in charge of Immigration and then proceeds to pass laws to open the floodgates to the 3rd world.
    
    The same thing happened in the UK when yet another Jew, Barbara Roche found herself in charge of Immigration and she to opened up the borders.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Roche
    
    The most incredible revelations concern Barbara Roche, a little-known MP who was immigration minister between 1999 and 2001. During this period, she quietly adopted policies – with Mr Blair’s approval – that changed the face of the UK.” and “She changed the rules to allow more work permits to be issued, especially to people who would previously have been considered asylum seekers. Stephen Boys Smith, who was then head of the Home Office’s immigration directorate, said: ‘It was clear that Roche wanted more immigrants to come to Britain. She didn’t see her job as controlling entry into Britain, but by looking at the wider picture in a “holistic way” she wanted us to see the benefit of a multicultural society.’”
    
    Quite the contrast to Israel where they pay African infiltrators to leave and where the borders are firmly shut to all non racially pure enough Jews.
    
    But that’s not a patch on Canada, let alone the USA❗
    
    http://balder.org/judea/Hate-Speech-Laws-Immigration-Jewish-Influence-USA.php
    
    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2016/10/02/the-jewish-origins-of-the-open-borders-movement/
    
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    January 16, 2018 11:16am
Inandout

Duncan Garner spent lots of time this morning on the subject of Te Reo, and Paul Moon went on about our fixation with pronouncing Maori ‘correctly’. That taxpayer funded argument can go on forever, and so will the funding. Then he got onto the subject of Martin Luther King Jnr. Now if this guy had his fathers rooting and touching reputation then he doesn’t need an ounce of TV time. That subject of course is ignored by Garner.
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January 16, 2018 8:12am
- Jack5
  
  Garner was married to Maori language promoter Mihingarangi Forbes for a decade until 2008. They have two daughters.
  
  Mihingarangi Forbes grew up as Joanna Forbes in Feilding. Her mother was white, and her father was Maori, but given his surname, little Joanna was less than half-Maori.
  
  She is now with Radio NZ as Maori Affairs correspondent. You can get a dip into Maori language with her at the following link – what “cup of tea” is in Maori.
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/summerreport/audio/2018627966/having-a-te-reo-cup-of-tea
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:43am
  - Harkman
    
    Was he really married to that idiot? That says it all.
    
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    January 16, 2018 11:44am
    - sooty
      
      The question is, which is the bigger fool?
      
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      January 16, 2018 12:47pm
      - Harkman
        
        Is there an actual answer?
        
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        January 16, 2018 1:27pm
- lifesgood
  
  I thought Paul Moon made valid comments. He said the maori language will die if people keep insisting on “correct” pronunciation. He also said people speak in the way of their own language and can’t be expected to pronounce another correctly. I speak a bit of french and italian but am certain I have poor pronunciation. People in those countries understand me and are just delighted that I try. They are not precious like the maori. Personally I can’t be bothered with maori, it’s a waste of time as far as usefullness goes, nevertheless we are being bombarded with it. How to turn people off, eh?
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:49am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    A living language must be used by the people in their day-to-day life. It must be functional enough to mediate their business transactions, in addition to their social interactions.
    If the language becomes a “perfect specimen” kept in a glass case and kept “pure” in some government institution, it will surely lose its vitality, wither and die.
    
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    January 16, 2018 10:23am
  - Gabby
    
    If it’s any consolation likesfood, I doubt if most maori give a flying fuck how or whether you pronounce any language.
    
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    January 16, 2018 5:08pm
Paulus

You cannot comment about the serial woman molester Martin Luther King as he is now anointed to Sainthood and it would not suit the Afro American image.
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January 16, 2018 8:18am
- ztev
  
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  Surely the FBI had evidence of ‘molesting’, back then- and would have used it if it was true.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:28am
  - flipper
    
    And who was it that ran the Fibbies back then dipshit ???
    Oh that’s right, a Labour cross dresser… fuck off!
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:13am
    - ztev
      
      Cross dressing ? That was just Russian smears
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:36am
      - GazzaW
        
        Your opinion or fact ztev? Give us a link as you so often do when you’re sure of yourself.
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:40am
    - Gabby
      
      Labour Puller? You fall over and bump your swede again?
      
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      January 16, 2018 5:10pm
  - Inandout
    
    By the time the FBI had the information on Luther’s exploits, Hoover had departed. As we have found lately women keep their sexual exploits to themselves for 30 odd years, then suddenly find a confessional. I am not saying what he did was unusual for those times, but he nevertheless was a serial rooter.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:15am
    - ztev
      
      Hoover was Director right up till he died in 1972. King was killed in 1968.
      Sheesh man , get some facts
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:35am
    - Paulus
      
      I hope that there will be no exposures of any New Zealand former idols which have been overlooked by the Police at the time.
      Of course not we are all whiter (sic) than the snow in this area.
      
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      January 16, 2018 1:20pm
VicParking

The tooth fairy being interviewed by Red Radio. Why can’t she keep her nose out of Australia’s business. Did they ask her about trees NO did they ask he about houses NO.
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January 16, 2018 8:25am
- VicParking
  
  Update: she has said by the end of the 100 days all promises will have be implemented……
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:29am
- ztev
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  this new fangled thing is called an ‘interview’; They ask the questions, you answer.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:58am
  - dime
    
    who here thinks ztev is a cock?
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:23am
    - ztev
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Oh , who has the cats bum face …so early in the morning too!
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:31am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      I do.
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:38am
    - G152
      
      A far better question is “Who doesn’t”
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:44am
    - flipper
      
      Naaah…
      Cocks are useful….
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:44am
      - GazzaW
        
        Only when they are upstanding flipper and ztev certainly isn’t.
        
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        January 16, 2018 12:34pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
      
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      January 16, 2018 10:11am
    - Gabby
      
      dim’s gettin cocky.
      
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      January 16, 2018 5:13pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Is she still going on about Manus Island?
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:25am
  - matchbox
    
    No Chuck, Manus didn’t come into the “conversation” (see below).
    
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    January 16, 2018 12:32pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Thanks. I will listen.
      
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      January 16, 2018 12:38pm
- matchbox
  
  The RNZ “conversation” would have to have been one of her softest RNZ chats ever. http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018628555
  
  There was though a revealing backtrack on her earlier belligerence on deportation detainees, in her (correctly) saying more than once that what Australia does in Australia is Australia’s business (my choice of words).
  
  Also, in relation to any child abuse enquiry, she went soft cock and spent 5 minutes doing what she does best, being a talking head while saying precisely nothing. She was asked more than once why the enquiry is restricted to only state abuse. Only empty words in reply, I’m sorry to report; she said nothing to answer the calls for a wider enquiry such as the Australian enquiry proved was justified.
  
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  January 16, 2018 12:31pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I wonder if she will go on with Leighton Smith during his last year. He knows a lot more about global warming now called climate change than her.
    
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    January 16, 2018 12:58pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “He knows a lot more about global warming now called climate change than her.”
      
      Really ? How can that be ? Presuming Smith knows more less than the NZ Royal Society.
      
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      January 16, 2018 1:30pm
  - wombatge
    
    Thanks matchbox
    Listened to Cindy being asked the really hard questions, not.
    Lorenzo Sau along with many others are confused.
    Do 12 months in the slammer and it is bye bye.
    He can leave for NZ anytime he likes and not be detained.
    Maybe harsh, but will dramatically drop the present over representation of some nationalities in our prison systems, they cannot re offend in Australia.
    Can’t see Cindy in a one on one with Peter Dutton, it would be a tad different to RNZ.
    Abuse terms of reference in Australia, the only place we didn’t go was to the religion of peace.
    We have a major problem with illegal child brides and thousands of Female Genital Mutilations, but this mysteriously missed the blowtorch.
    Maybe Malcolm will start to do what Trump is doing to him, put Cindy on a subtle back burn.
    Our American ambassador has not been replaced, Berry left in September 2016. Trump apparently unhappy getting illegals thrown at him through an Obama deal. Trump is very unforgiving.
    
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    January 16, 2018 6:52pm
Digmen1

I am getting heartily sick of the Herald and Stuff ramming climate change articles down our throats.

Its the weather.

If they were really serious about it they would be advocating that the world starts reducing our population. Staring in India China, Uganda, Nigeria, Braziland Egypt.
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January 16, 2018 8:29am
- hullkiwi
  
  And Indonesia, Philippines, & Mexico.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:36am
  - Digmen1
    
    Thanks I will add those to my list.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:01am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Glad to be of help. I agree with your point. It is the like the old biology experiment of putting two flies in a sealed bottle with a plant & observe what happens.
      Flies breed, consume food, polite environment, then die.
      Moral, all countries need to look after our environment better.
      
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      January 16, 2018 10:06am
      - Gabby
        
        Excellent argument in favour of diversity hulky wee. That what you were aiming for?
        
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        January 16, 2018 5:18pm
- VicParking
  
  Get the PM to comment to China and India about their use of fossil fuels to generate electricity. I’m sure she is so widely acknowledged as a world leader (The Commie Chick from NZ) they will change their policy.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:43am
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes India and China are still building coal fired power stations.
    
    As they need to to provide electricity to their staggering and unneccessary populuations.
    
    Pollution from China is now wafting across to Seoul (on the news this morning)
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      Digmen1 , as far as China is concerned that is simply not the case pushing massive resources into renewable resources such as Solar Energy ,
      
      China breaking all solar power records, aiming for 50GW in 2017
      
      https://electrek.co/2017/10/19/china-breaking-all-solar-power-records-aiming-for-50gw-in-2017/
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:59am
      - 4077th
        
        What a load of twat StiffyBoi. For a start 50Gw is fuck all comparatively and what the article conveniently avoids is the actual power delivery time is 60% less than conventional means given the maximum generation during daylight hours and low light conditions. So capability and actual delivery make it non viable …still!!
        
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        January 16, 2018 10:08am
      - realityczech
        
        “China breaking all solar power records”
        
        stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupidboy, they can afford to with so much spare capacity from coal following a down turn in manufacturing.
        
        Their lastest trick is to jump on the green-energy bandwagon and make a fortune selling green fantasies to the white devils.
        
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        January 16, 2018 12:36pm
      - stephieboy
        
        4077th etc ,
        
        Not according to this report ,
        
        The End of Coal Is Near: China Just Scrapped 103 Power Plants
        A huge win for the environment.
        
        PETER DOCKRILL
        19 JAN 2017
        
        “China has announced plans to cancel more than 100 coal plants currently in development, scrapping what would amount to a massive 120 gigawatts (GW) of coal-fired electricity capacity if the plants were completed…”
        
        https://www.sciencealert.com/the-end-of-coal-is-near-china-just-scrapped-103-power-plants
        
        Here also ,
        
        China to plow $361 billion into renewable fuel by 2020
        
        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-energy-renewables/china-to-plow-361-billion-into-renewable-fuel-by-2020-idUSKBN14P06P
        
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        January 16, 2018 1:39pm
      - realityczech
        
        Chinese firms to build 700 coal plants
        
        BEIJING • When China halted plans for more than 100 new coal-fired power plants this year, even as US President Donald Trump vowed to “bring back coal” in America, the contrast seemed to confirm Beijing’s new role as a leader in the fight against climate change.
        
        However, new data on the world’s biggest developers of coal-fired power plants paints a very different picture: China’s energy companies will make up nearly half of the new coal generation expected to go online in the next decade.
        
        These Chinese corporations are building or planning to build more than 700 new coal plants at home and around the world, some in countries that today burn little or no coal…
        
        http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/chinese-firms-to-build-700-coal-plants
        
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        January 16, 2018 5:25pm
    - 4077th
      
      Pollution from China has been wafting across to the Warehouse for years!
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:59am
      - GazzaW
        
        You’re not far wrong 4077th. God knows how many thousands of tonnes of Chinese waste plastic sits in our dumps via the Warehouse conduit.
        
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        January 16, 2018 12:37pm
VicParking

Update on the Tanker in the South China seas. As soon as it drifted in Japan’s economic zone and into the north flowing gulf stream it suddenly blew up. This was shortly after a crack team of Iranian/Chinese commandos left the ship.
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January 16, 2018 8:35am
- Lance
  
  Any evidence to back that claim up?
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:46am
  - ztev
    
    VP is often deluded. A tanker on fire already doesn’t just blow up by itself, according to him. It was carrying ‘condensate’ a very light type of crude oil. ( Its what we mostly produce here)
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:05am
  - Lance
    
    Shit, it doesn’t take a crack team of commandos (from two… yes two countries!!) to blow up a burning oil tanker. It would be easy for a grossly incompetent gardener to do that on an oil tanker that wasn’t even burning in the first place.
    Again … please point me at least to an article or something that backs this up.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:12am
    - nasska
      
      ….”t doesn’t take a crack team of commandos (from two… yes two countries!!) to blow up a burning oil tanker”…..
      
      True. But I wonder what else it might have been carrying.
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:19am
      - Lance
        
        WTF?
        There are more than a few ways to smuggle something sensitive into another country than by an oil tanker, like a floating bomb in the first place.
        
        Not every event is a vast conspiracy.
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:31am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  The news item I heard said the whole crew had all been lost when the ship blew up. What were they still doing on board?
  
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  January 16, 2018 10:22am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I thought it was 32 killed but I don’t know if that was the whole crew. Anyway, oil tankers on fire are by no means certain to explode, even if carrying light products like condensate – they’re more likely to burn and sink when they fill with enough water to become unstable if not salvaged and the fire put out.
    
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    January 16, 2018 12:41pm
Poppa

I have just returned to the salt mine after 3 weeks on holiday at the beach, fishing was great and the beer cold.

So how many trees have we planted, & how many houses has Twyford built while I have been away?

Thought so
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January 16, 2018 8:45am
- GazzaW
  
  DPF’s Unabletodeliverometers say it all Poppa.
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:50am
- ztev
  
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  How many RONs did national build in the first 2 months ?
  I though so .
  Even one of the RONS promised 9 years ago was just starting at election time- the Holiday highway.
  
  They promised a lot more new roads, but they do that each election. many places have had ‘their road’ promised many times. Same goes for hospitals and schools.
  
  But the big road building companies arent happy these projects with negligible benefits arent going ahead- so Judith has been tasked with ~~refilling the partys coffers~~ making a song and dance about it
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:11am
  - dime
    
    the old – they did it so we can to defence.
    
    such virtue
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:26am
    - Gabby
      
      dim’s catchin on
      
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      January 16, 2018 5:22pm
  - GazzaW
    
    I don’t recall Poppa mentioning RONS’ ztev. I think he was asking about Shane’s tree planting and Twyford’s affordable housing. You have to control your gerbils.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:31am
  - Poppa
    
    Have you been to the Waikato recently Ztev?
    
    I didn’t think so or you would have spotted massive earthworks involving the Waikato Expressway
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:39am
  - Harkman
    
    You Labour guys are terrified that by the end of this year the general public are going to view Twyford as an incompetent, slimey conman. And with him go your chances of reelection.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:57am
- Que Sera Sera
  
  Poppa. Your ignorance is showing..
  What do you know about planting trees ?
  
  No one would plant trees in the middle of summer, you do know that I presume.
  There is only a three months time frame , May, June and July to take advantage of adequate soil moister.
  If planted outside of this time frame then the risk of them dying is very high.
  So Poppa, I suggest you head back to the riverside and keep on dreaming.
  
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  January 16, 2018 2:48pm
Keeping Stock

Sad to hear of the “sudden” death of Dolores O’Riordan, lead singer of the Cranberries. She had a unique, haunting voice, but sadly a tormented life.

Rest peacefully.

https://youtu.be/8MuhFxaT7zo
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January 16, 2018 8:49am
- dime
  
  hated the band but thats sad.
  
  OD or suicide?
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:53am
- Andrei
  
  Three downticks? – what is your malfunction people?
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:30am
- Harkman
  
  They did have some catchy tunes. I thought I heard that she was ill or dead about 2-3 years ago so when I heard the news initially today, I thought, “Was she still alive?”
  
  Anyhow, it always confused my simple brain because she was blonde in “I can’t be with you.”
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:57pm
jcuk

But Poppa … he needed you to hold the nail box instead of swanning away at the beach. 🙂
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January 16, 2018 8:54am
Manolo

The smoke seller and Argentinian socialist, a political animal:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/15/pope-francis-warns-the-world-is-at-the-brink-of-nuclear-war.html

Pope Francis said on Monday he was really afraid about the danger of nuclear war and that the world now stood at “the very limit.”

Pope Francis has often flagged the danger of nuclear warfare and in November he appeared to harden the Catholic Church’s teaching against nuclear weapons, saying countries should not stockpile them even for the purpose of deterrence.
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January 16, 2018 8:54am
- Digmen1
  
  He should focus on Kiddy Fiddlers and stopping the muslim invasion of the west.
  That is his job.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:03am
  - Harkman
    
    Looks like another ancient western institution run into the ground by either Marxists or Muslims.
    
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    January 16, 2018 5:00pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Geez I am glad the Catholic Church is against stock piling nukes, for a moment there I was worried. Now they just need to convince the atheists in China & worshippers of the boy god in North Korea & we’ll all be safe.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:08am
Poppa

Another one day cricket match in Hamilton today.

I can report that the weather looks ok at this stage with blue sky starting to appear after an overcast start to the day.

Pakistan cannot be so bad today surely so we could have a good contest for a change, with NZ winning of course we hope
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January 16, 2018 9:00am
Chuck Bird

FYI

Australia: Muslim who gouged out his wife’s eye and then slaughtered her says it’s “normal” behavior in Middle East

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/12/australia-muslim-who-gouged-out-his-wifes-eye-and-then-slaughtered-her-says-its-normal-behavior-in-middle-east
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January 16, 2018 9:07am
- Rich Prick
  
  Judging by their silence, the feminists seem to be OK with this sort of thing. Which tells you all you need to know about feminists.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:17am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Feminists won’t say a word. Why?
    – Their “enemy” is the white patriarchy (i.e., capitalism)
    – White patriarchs generally don’t eye-gouge and slaughter
    – Criticism of non-privileged cultures is verboten.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:36am
    - matchbox
      
      Chuck Bird’s link above is essential reading. Chuck’s summary does not do justice to the barbarity of this heinous Australian murder.
      
      And of course, the man “.. was acquitted several years ago in a major terror trial where he was among several men accused of planning terror attacks, wanted to move to Syria to fight with jihad.”
      
      And of course, the supreme court suppressed his name. Fucking outrageous.
      
      Funny though, I don’t remember reading about this in the Herald, nor seeing reports on NZ television.
      
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      January 16, 2018 12:46pm
      - matchbox
        
        Incidentally, the Dallas referred to in the link, is a Melbourne suburb next to Broadmeadows.
        
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        January 16, 2018 12:58pm
- wombatge
  
  Fair suck of the Saveloy (or should I say Polony) Chuck Bird, poor mans beak has put it down to mental problems. In Australia now, this is the standard defence. Mow down dozens of people, mental problems is the answer.
  He will be back grooming the kids in no time.
  That is what it is, grooming his depraved filth to future generations. We are the mental ones for taking them in.
  Lets hope Cindy takes as many from Manus as possible, good luck with that.
  Cindy obviously trusts the smugglers word for their authenticity and lack of credentials.
  Cindy is a cheesy walking talking time bomb.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:40am
- Longknives
  
  Could you imagine the shrieking and outrage from Clementine Ford and Co if this had been a hated White Male?
  
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  January 16, 2018 10:25am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  NFIS, normal for islamic shitholes.
  
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  January 16, 2018 10:38am
- Gabby
  
  I suspect he’s being less than 100% truthful Chuck Birp.
  
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  January 16, 2018 5:26pm
Lance

Herald again running idiotic stories (shock horror).

A rather silly scribbling exposing the shocking facts that occasionally an aircraft’s potable water system might fail bacteria tests.
The article goes on to say the same water is used for the toilets as o\in the coffee.
Well bugger me, so is our toilet water source at home used for drinking… and they boil coffee water. All bacteria die instantly above 70 degC.
Stupid article feeding the paranoia of the technical illiterate
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January 16, 2018 9:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  It’s the world of click bait. The Herald have no journalists, so it is a bit much for them to have reporters & editorial team putting together “real” news stories.
  
  Welcome to the world of modern media…
  
  Here is a guide as to why there is no news in the Herald, NZME employ 35 people to run Gab One, buggered if I know why they need so many, but they do), but NZME employ fewer than 15 people as journalists & editorial staff of the Herald.
  
  So, please someone, give Auckland & NZ a real newspaper again.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:17am
- JibberJabber
  
  There is an obsession with cabin crew at the Herald, they run that yarn about airline coffee, along with others ie,what stewardesses think, cropdusting passengers, bad passengers, cabin crew hookups etc on a rotating basis of about once every 2 – 3 weeks.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:58am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, I had noted the obsession with articles about the 5 things stewardesses want to do with passengers they fancy. Just proves what I wrote about above, the Herald has a surfeit of web content writers & no reporters/journalists.
    
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    January 16, 2018 1:47pm
Rich Prick

Gawd Cindy is awful. Does she deal in anything other than platitudes and slogans? Vacuous air-headedness might go down well with the Socialist Youth movement, but what was Winston drinking when he delivered this creature to us?
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January 16, 2018 9:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  Answers:
  Question 1: no;
  Question 2: yes.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:18am
- Manolo
  
  Yes, PM Ardern is hopeless, a faithful repeater of socialist cliches and platitudes.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:23am
- Keeping Stock
  
  The answer to your second question is Laphroiag, in large quantities.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:31am
  - Manolo
    
    I’ve never trusted those who drink Islay malts. Give me Speyside and Highland any time! 😀
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:35am
- stephieboy
  
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  Rich Prick , now think for a moment ! Who does seriously care about your rantings as you fight a Don Quixotic war against a political reality outside your bubble chamber ?
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:33am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Arrrghh, talk to some one else. And sort out your punctuation.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:43am
  - Harkman
    
    SB even you have to admit Cindy is a real Airhead.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:59am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Harkman, You’re asking Stephie?! ?
      
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      January 16, 2018 10:20am
      - Harkman
        
        Yes ?
        
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        January 16, 2018 11:47am
- Poppa
  
  Yes you are right RP she is terrible.
  
  WP was & is only interested in himself & cares not about other trivial matters
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:36am
- redeye
  
  She speaks like she has trained in news reading. Emphasising and gesticulating exactly the same as the trainee reporters try to do when they’ve been sent to report on the latest weather event.
  A clear and transparent reader of lines that someone else has written.
  
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  January 16, 2018 10:18am
  - RF
    
    The commie chic is our modern day Trojan horse. Behind the rows of porcelain choppers she is one dangerous and ruthless individual. Ask Annette King who was shived by her. Remember she started off not wanting to be Deputy and then leader.
    
    Don’t let the picket fence smile fool you as soon she will be flying the people’s red flag.
    
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    January 16, 2018 2:38pm
- Longknives
  
  My best mate lives in Aussie- He always takes the piss out of Comrade Ardern.
  “Mate does she have a fucking clue about the Real World?”
  “We have been saving you guys from those bloody Muslim Refugees for years”
  “Trust me mate you don’t want them- They have fucked our Cities”
  
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  January 16, 2018 10:28am
  - Que Sera Sera
    
    Longknives.
    Good God man, an Aussie taking the piss out of Jacinda ?
    Now that has to be be the joke of the day..
    
    I thought Kiwis had given up on how many Prime Ministers they have had over the last few years.
    
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    January 16, 2018 2:55pm
- oldgolfer
  
  He wasn’t, Rich Prick, and for that we must all pay.
  The man is a fop.
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:14pm
Ross12

Interesting figures on Brexit. No wonder the EU elite are worried.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/01/13/eu-lose-500bn-uk-gain-640bn-no-deal-brexit-economist-claims/
( Sorry I don’t have a sub to the Telegraph but there is enough to get the idea.)
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January 16, 2018 9:09am
Digmen1

Good to see Paul Moon speaking honestly about Maori.

I do my best to pronounce Mair peoples names as best I can when speaking to them. But they need to accept that it is hard for Europeans to procune their “r’s etc.

But I think it would be better if Maori concentrated on learning to speak and pronounce English better, and got away from the street, gutter, cousie bro, yeah na, pigeon English that they speak. (especially the young ones)
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January 16, 2018 9:15am
- stephieboy
  
  At least Paul Moon doesn’t by into the pseudo science and history of Celtic N Z,
  
  https://readingthemaps.blogspot.co.nz/2009/05/paul-moon-condemns-celtic-new-zealand.html
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:37am
  - G152
    
    Nobody buys into that.
    And evidently not even you which shows what a load of crap it is
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:49am
    - stephieboy
      
      G152, do you “ buy” into that pseudo science and history ?
      
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      January 16, 2018 10:06am
  - realityczech
    
    “the pseudo science and history of Celtic N Z,”
    
    stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuupidboy,
    
    As opposed to the solid science of some guy in a wooden canoe pulling NZ out of the sea ?
    
    Moron.
    
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    January 16, 2018 12:39pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rc , The story of Maui is a legend . No different to the seven literal days of creation ,
      
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      January 16, 2018 1:42pm
      - Harkman
        
        A bit like the first Labour government being good for NZ.
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:49pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Harkman , the voters for 14 years seem to think so . With National carrying on their reform agenda .
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:50pm
- Digmen1
  
  Woops, sorry about the spelling mistake in my post above. No offence intended.
  
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  January 16, 2018 10:01am
- Paulus
  
  Don’t think that European are good at rollings their ar’s.
  Their bums still stick upwards !
  
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  January 16, 2018 1:29pm
- Gabby
  
  And bloody farmers, they’re just as bad with their yeenahs and their airguns. We should all procune our words like dicman.
  
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  January 16, 2018 5:32pm
Keeping Stock

John Sprague is well-known amongst the speedway fraternity as an excellent photographer and an all-round good guy.

John was critically injured at Waikaraka Park when he was struck by a Superstock during a qualifying race for the New Zealand Superstock Championships. It was a freak accident, witnessed by thousands of people, and friends who were at Waikaraka Park on Saturday night have described the scene as horrific. John is currently in ICU at Auckland Hospital.

John’s speedway friends at Waikaraka Park have set up a Give A Little page to assist him and his family over what will be a long and complicated recovery. If you can spare a few bucks, I can assure you it will be going to a very deserving family at an incredibly difficult time.

https://givealittle.co.nz/cause/john-spragues-recovery
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January 16, 2018 9:29am
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It looks more down hill from here for your leader , Trumpeters. This time from a fellow conservative ,

‘Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic,’ by David Frum

The most important new book about the dangers of Donald Trump’s presidency is getting the least attention at the moment.

“Trumpocracy: The Corruption of the American Republic,” by respected conservative author David Frum, offers a persuasive and detailed account of how Trump is undermining American institutions, including the presidency itself. It’s never going to compete with Michael Wolff’s “Fire and Fury” for incendiary anecdotes and speculation about Trump’s fitness for the highest office in the land, or the intellect of his favorite daughter or patriotism of his namesake son.

Therein lies the power and credibility of Frum’s conclusions. They are supported by verifiable facts, grounded in historical context, devoid of ideological hue. A senior editor at the Atlantic, he is a former special assistant and speechwriter for President George W. Bush and an alumnus of right-of-center think tanks.
“Trumpocracy” is a must-read for Americans who are in denial about the threat to democracy posed by a president absorbed in narcissism and recklessly indifferent to the institutions and norms of ethics and propriety that have sustained the great American experiment for 2½ centuries.

Frum does not attempt to psychoanalyze Trump, but the author pointedly identifies his shortcomings, especially his one-way view of loyalty. It helps explain why the Trump White House has been beset by so many leaks, a sense of betrayal that is underscored by the biting anecdotes of the Wolff book…..”

http://www.sfgate.com/books/article/Trumpocracy-The-Corruption-of-the-American-12491422.php
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January 16, 2018 9:29am
- Manolo
  
  Confess it, stephieboy. You are mesmerised by President Trump.
  https://sg.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-show-dazzles-shocks-first-014718674.html
  
  Donald Trump’s first year in office has been a gripping spectacle of scandal, controversy and polarization that has utterly transformed the way Americans and their president interact.
  
  “Welcome back to the studio,” said a beaming Trump, inviting White House reporters into the Cabinet Room for a recap of his first year in office.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:37am
  - Harkman
    
    It’s just a diversion from the fact that Cindy is so far out of her depth.
    
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    January 16, 2018 10:01am
    - wombatge
      
      stephieboy
      NZX since Cindy’s anointment up 2%
      Dow under Trump since October 19 up 10%
      NZX for year up nearly 14% (thanks to National)
      Dow for year up 23%
      Looks like Cindy is tanking big time in the investment stakes.
      One thing is perfectly clear, US economy is going gang busters under Trump administration, must be so hard for the fake news to ignore.
      Cindy has the NZ economy pointed more towards Venezuela rather than that of the US, but I guess in her eyes, this is the way of the future. Socialist abyss.
      Trump will deal to her in good time, he has Turnbull on a slow bake, not a man to cross I fear.
      
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      January 16, 2018 10:51am
      - oldgolfer
        
        You can be sure Cindy’s witless utterings have been noted.
        
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        January 16, 2018 4:16pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, your President’s “ studio” for his Reality TV comedy show ?
    
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    January 16, 2018 10:01am
    - Ed Snack
      
      You don’t get humour do you.
      
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      January 16, 2018 12:48pm
- G152
  
  Wow. Local scumbag finds anti Trump article on Fake news and cant wait to tell us all about it..
  How expected
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:51am
  - stephieboy
    
    G152, any criticism of Trump is fake news ?
    
    How and why ?
    
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    January 16, 2018 10:02am
    - realityczech
      
      “How and why ?”
      
      stupidboy
      1. Through propaganda and manufactured “stories”.
      2. Because his opposition reject the democratic expression of free people.
      
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      January 16, 2018 12:43pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc , some examples comparable to Pizzagate or Dortmund etc
        
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        January 16, 2018 1:45pm
Morrissey

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EXERCISE KING RICHARD SIMMONS HELD IN ASSAULT
Flighty fitness teacher allegedly slapped heckler

PHOENIX (AP) – Exercise guru Richard Simmons allegedly slapped a man who made a sarcastic remark about one of his videos, police said. Simmons, known for his Sweatin’ to the Oldies series of exercise videos set to songs from the 1950s and ’60s, was cited for misdemeanour assault.

A fellow passenger recognized Simmons on Wednesday night at Phoenix’s Sky Harbor International Airport as he was waiting for a flight to Los Angeles, police said. The man “made the off-hand comment, ‘Hey, everybody. It’s Richard Simmons. Let’s drop our bags and rock to the ’50s,”‘ said Phoenix police Sgt. Tom Osborne. “Mr. Simmons took exception to it and walked over to the other passenger and apparently slapped him in the face.”

The passenger, whose identity wasn’t immediately available, wasn’t injured but told police that he intended to file charges against Simmons, 55.

Osborne said Simmons was cited for misdemeanour assault and permitted to board his flight.

THE BREEN QUESTION: What was Cameron Slater doing in Phoenix, Arizona?

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/4/7/l/x/w/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620×349.147lbg.png/1427573374559.jpg

https://ewedit.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/000252616_cropped.jpg?w=2000
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January 16, 2018 9:46am
- Rich Prick
  
  Why do you bother?
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:51am
  - Morrissey
    
    ??!!?
    
    What’s your problem John?
    
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    January 16, 2018 10:24am
  - Swifty
    
    Like all girlymen, he craves the attention.
    
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    January 16, 2018 2:46pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Nastiness personified again Morrissey.
  
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  January 16, 2018 10:03am
- Harkman
  
  My list of Liars:
  
  1. Harry Reid, said Romney & Trump didn’t pay taxes, fully disproved.
  2. Bill Clinton, “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinsky.”
  3. Jacinda Ardern, didn’t want to be PM, was going restrict immigration.
  4. Helen Clark, only the top 5% would pay the 39% top tax.
  5. Hillary Clinton, only had one device and she did not send or receive classified info on this device.
  6. Winston Peters, went into the election indicating he would support the will of the people, he was simultaneously taking National to court.
  7. Barack Obama, “if you like your plan you can keep it.” Claimed he only learnt about Hillary’s private server despite having a fake email address to secretly communicate with her on.
  8. Golriz Ghahraman, a life of lies.
  9. Dick Durbin, 2005, 2013, 2018. Mega lies.
  10. Paul Spoonley, said refugees are net contributors to the economy.
  
  Oh gee, still all leftists.
  
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  January 16, 2018 11:51am
  - Morrissey
    
    Slightly off-topic, Harkman, surely? This is a thread devoted to an ass-kicking, not to Liars. Let’s have a nice controversy-free day today, okay?
    
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    January 16, 2018 12:53pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      “Let’s have a nice controversy-free day today, okay?”
      
      Wouldn’t that defeat the purpose of you coming here?
      
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      January 16, 2018 1:14pm
      - Morrissey
        
        You got me, my friend! And ya got me GOOD!
        
        Your prize for getting me so good is this photo of Cameron Slater in the shower….
        
        https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e4/05/94/e40594bd635e378baa4655b15c84c875.jpg
        
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        January 16, 2018 1:34pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        3 questions
        
        Who took it?
        
        If not you, how did you get it?
        
        Why did you keep it?
        
        #dirtylittlefucker
        
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        January 16, 2018 1:46pm
- softail 1450
  
  moronissey, not even 1 uptick,you have become irrelevant and unreadable….
  
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  January 16, 2018 2:26pm
Manolo

The conflating objectives of the Left:
http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/15/naacp-says-mlks-vision-cant-be-achieved-without-fighting-global-warming/

This Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, the NAACP wants man-made global warming to be seen as a civil rights issue, arguing King’s vision of a society free of racial injustice can’t be achieved without addressing warming.
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January 16, 2018 10:05am
rightoverlabour

Hi seem no one picked this up I’ll repost here today.

At least they weren’t chinky sounding names….
As an immigrant, I don’t really care who actually owns the farm, as long as it benefits New Zealand.

The comments are interesting.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/100543602/canterbury-farm-sold-for-17m-to-canadian-government-approved-by-overseas-investment-office
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January 16, 2018 10:08am
Manolo

The ruinous legacy of Mamma Merkel: her immigration policies:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/15/germany-needs-new-political-blood–merkel-is-unlikely-to-finish-fourth-term-analyst-says.html

Germany may be a step closer to forming a new government, but there are doubts that Chancellor Angela Merkel will be its leader for the full mandate, a political analyst told CNBC on Monday.
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January 16, 2018 10:14am
Manolo

Obama’s magic, claims stephieboy:
http://quote.foxbusiness.com/symbol/i:dji/snapshot/
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January 16, 2018 10:25am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , most attributable to the sound economic stewardship of the Obama years !
  
  You’ve obviously being beguiled by Trumps Chicanery and “ reality “ TV broadcasts from the white house .
  
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  January 16, 2018 1:48pm
rangitoto

Global warming strikes Siberia.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5270725/Frost-breaks-thermometer-62C-worlds-coldest-town.html
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January 16, 2018 10:45am
- Harkman
  
  Nice link, the question being, how do we know the actual temperature if the equipment breaks down trying to measure it? Could be colder than -62°c.
  
  I do worry about that lady’s eye lashes.
  
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  January 16, 2018 5:12pm
  - Gabby
    
    Maybe they have More Than One thermometer hackman.
    
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    January 16, 2018 5:50pm
Don the Kiwi

Especially for Stephieboy:

Confirmed: Trump Is, Indeed, a Very Stable Genius
By William L. Gensert
By now, everyone has heard about President Donald Trump’s tweet countering accusations made by the Wolff in sheep’s clothing, who wrote a book detailing the supposed Shakespearian machinations that Wolff asserts are consuming the Trump White House. In his tweet, President Trump claimed he is, in fact, a “very stable genius.”

Throughout the media world, this made journalists’ heads explode. Dilbert creator Scott Adams points out the genius of this move by reminding people that liberals will forever mock Trump for it and that it is not a bad thing for Trump to have his name and “genius” associated with each other in perpetuity.

I recently wrote that it was genius when Trump called Elizabeth Warren “Pocahontas” at a White House ceremony. Had he merely mentioned her false claim of American Indian ancestry in order to procure a job at Harvard University, the media would have made sure no one heard about it. He set a trap, and in a futile effort to destroy him, the media took the bait.

Trump calling her “Pocahontas” and the media publicizing it made millions of people aware of what Warren had done – potential 2020 voters who would have never learned that little embarrassing tidbit from the shady past of the one who persists. (Or is she the one who resists? It’s so confusing.)

Donald Trump is a master of controlling the conversation. Every time people think of Warren now, they will think of her lying to get a job, and every time someone mentions Wolff’s book, people are now going to associate Donald Trump with “very stable genius.”

The first thing Trump did was the “very stable genius” tweet. Then he held a successful televised bipartisan and bicameral meeting on immigration. Trump sat between Democrat Senator Dick Durbin and Democrat Rep. Steny Hoyer, two vocal supporters of DACA (Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals). Just as a successful CEO would do, he went around the room asking those from each party for ideas. He then vowed to sign any legislation presented to him.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/01/confirmed_trump_is_indeed_a_very_stable_genius.html#ixzz54IF3e0sV
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January 16, 2018 11:08am
- ztev
  
  Trouble with that nonsense is Trump has a pre-existing position on immigration.
  Which he then contradicted by agreeing to Dems proposal.
  Aghast the republicans then ‘reminded him’ of his existing stance’ , which he then agreed with them as well.
  
  Dotard and moron at work people
  
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  January 16, 2018 12:39pm
  - Harkman
    
    Ztev, Dems hate the concept of a wall so badly, they’re even willing to lose the Dreamers to accomplish this.
    
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    January 16, 2018 1:34pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Trev ,he didn’t agree with anything ,you are bullshitting yet again ,,,,,,
    
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    January 16, 2018 2:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  Don the Kiwi , especially for you –
  
  ‘President Flip Flops’ Let You Wear Trump’s Contradictory Tweets on Your Feet
  
  “President Trump has been known to flip-flop on key issues on Twitter. Now, one company is putting those contradictory tweets on actual flip flops you can wear around town.
  
  Aptly named President Flip Flops, the shop has a handful of footwear options, which feature contradictory Trump tweets on the Electoral College, Syria, and the “Dishonest Media.” Shoes are “made in China, heat pressed in the US. The same as our President’s ties, right?……”
  
  http://fortune.com/2017/09/21/president-trump-flip-flops-twitter/
  
  LOL
  
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  January 16, 2018 2:00pm
- RF
  
  Warren is also known by her Indian name….
  
  “Walking Bird”
  
  She is unable to fly as she is so full of shit…
  
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  January 16, 2018 2:32pm
  - Gabby
    
    You be up to fetching her rf rf?
    
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    January 16, 2018 5:53pm
    - RF
      
      Gabby.
      
      Just sprinkle salt on her tail feathers and she is yours for the night.
      
      I would be interested in photos…..
      
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      January 16, 2018 8:08pm
Odakyu-sen

Something is changing to children’s programming in Japan.

Since the 1950s, the staple of children’s programming has been the notions that “robots and AI are your friends” and that “all war is evil.”

Now, warfare is being shown in a positive light for the first time, using characters that Japanese children can identify with (in this case, rabbits).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8rCfB8pgKc

Compare with this anti-war animation featuring French rabbits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwn3Ru0o8Io

I will be watching this trend with interest over the next couple of years.
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January 16, 2018 11:12am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Coincidentally, the link to US soldiers (GIs) with rabbits in the animation is as follows.
  
  USA GI = “usagi” (which is Japanese for “rabbit”)
  
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  January 16, 2018 11:21am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Maybe the theme is “Black Hops.”
    
    (Sorry…)
    
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    January 16, 2018 11:45am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  So is this as a result of the threat from North Korea or has there been a resurgence in Japanese imperialism?
  
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  January 16, 2018 11:31am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I don’t know.
    Keep watching to see if this sort of programming becomes more mainstream.
    The older generation, particularly those who grew up in the post-war period of the 1950s, are retiring, and the younger generation who have no memory of the period of deprivation in the period up to the early 1960s are taking over.
    The US is pulling back from directly defending Japan. China is throwing its weight around. Prime Minister Abe is a hawk. It is no surprise that Japan is reviewing its position on warfare.
    I personally feel that China, ROK and Japan can work together for their mutual benefit. They have a lot to offer each other. An Asian conflict is not in their interests.
    If they are smart, they will assist each other to avoid the kinds of screw-ups that are plaguing Europe. They can sit back and watch Europe collapse (this is ignoring the looming demographic problems facing China, ROK and Japan).
    
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    January 16, 2018 11:41am
Manolo

Cutting aid to the violent:
http://thehill.com/policy/international/middle-east-north-africa/368984-us-ready-to-hold-millions-of-dollars-from-un

President Trump is reportedly ready to cut part of the United States’s aid package to the United Nations agency that oversees aid to Palestinian refugees, The Associated Press reported on Sunday.
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January 16, 2018 11:21am
- Rich Prick
  
  Brilliant. Hopefully it’s just the start of the USA’s defunding of the UN. It’s great how Trump gets on with this sort of thing while the media and the left are in meltdown over the word “shithole”.
  
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  January 16, 2018 11:48am
  - Longknives
    
    Trump is the Greatest President of my Lifetime!
    
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    January 16, 2018 12:03pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      That is good news, Longknives.
      I am sure that you will still be around long after most of us have died of old age….
      
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      January 16, 2018 12:25pm
      - Longknives
        
        Gerald Ford was President when I was born.
        
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        January 16, 2018 4:55pm
- cha
  
  Hamas and their financiers will be pleased to take up the slack.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:21pm
Digmen1

Yes Go Donald Trump.
And with Nikki Hayley, stick it to them and cut all the aid to drop kick countries and organisations.
Make the west great again!
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January 16, 2018 12:25pm
Digmen1

The really silly (sad) (annoying) thing is that the Palestinians have gone from 500,000 refugees in 1948 to 7 million breeding and living on western aid!
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January 16, 2018 12:26pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “…Palestinians have gone from 500,000 refugees in 1948 to 7 million…”
  
  How can that be, if the policies of Israel are “genocidal”…
  
  When the population of a given group in their traditional living zones rapidly declines, that is usually more of an indication of “genocidal” or at least “displacement” policies in action.
  
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  January 16, 2018 12:30pm
Digmen1

Note they only said “ready” to do it.
They are making a decision on Tuesday – Thats today!
Lets hope they do it, and all the other things they have said they “might” cut.
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January 16, 2018 12:30pm
Manolo

Will she ever go beyond cliches and common places?
Will she ever say something of substance?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/pm-on-abuse-inquiry-we-need-to-be-open-about-our-mistakes/ar-AAuJLQZ
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January 16, 2018 12:36pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Watch the body language, watch the hands. She has no idea, shallow as a carpark puddle. She should openly admit that she is not capable of being PM
  
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  January 16, 2018 5:47pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Would that include admission of failure by perpetuating a welfare state?
  
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  January 16, 2018 7:54pm
Johnboy

Interesting news here:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/100575322/earthquakes-usher-in-new-era-for-steel-construction
I still remember how the fiasco that was the BNZ building, aka “Darth Vader’s pencil box” orchestrated by the Boilermakers Union under the control of that POS Con Devitt caused the death knell of structural steel and the rise of dodgy reinforced concrete in our high rises.
Be interesting to see what effect more union interference under the socialist shitbags we have pulling the strings currently have on the safety of New Zealanders.
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January 16, 2018 12:40pm
- RalphT
  
  Ah the good old days when the unions had us by the balls. If only we had a government that could take us back to those halcyon days…
  
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  January 16, 2018 1:38pm
  - Harkman
    
    Three, two, one…….?
    
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    January 16, 2018 5:18pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      Zdivvy will be along in a moment….
      
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      January 16, 2018 5:33pm
Manolo

The “shithole” conspiracy and tissue of lies:
https://powderedwigsociety.com/durbin-is-a-liar-2/

There were a total of six people present at the controversial White House immigration meeting where President Trump referred to Haiti, El Salvador, and African countries as shitholes, according to known liar Dick Durbin.

Four of those in attendance have affirmed that President Trump did not use the word “shithole” when referring to those countries.

Senators David Perdue and Tom Cotton have so affirmed as well as President Trump, and now DHS Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen.
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January 16, 2018 1:49pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , there is no conspiracy . The issue whether the President did say “ shithole “. Some present said he did others said he didn’t .
  
  Whether he said it or not his supporters like you appeared to have greeted his alleged “ shithole “ remarks with great warmth and applause .
  
  This makes the issue rather problematic don’t you think ?
  
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  January 16, 2018 2:36pm
  - Manolo
    
    Why is it problematic to call a spade a spade? Haiti and some Central American and African countries are true hellholes and should be called so.
    
    Why, stephieboy? Why does the truth offend you?
    
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    January 16, 2018 2:43pm
    - RalphT
      
      And if calling a spade a spade it is important to ensure that the spade has a long handle if it is being used in relation to shitholes.
      
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      January 16, 2018 2:54pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, have you been to those “ hellholes “ Much of Cenrtal America is still a favoured tourist destination like your fatherland, Hell hole ,Indonesia .
      
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      January 16, 2018 4:26pm
      - realityczech
        
        stupidboy, look up the most dangerous cities in the world. The top 10 are consistently in South America where the dirty spics live.
        
        Indonesia is largely full of laid back Muslims too lazy to take criminal activity seriously.
        
        Now go drink a boiling cup of bleach dickhead.
        
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        January 16, 2018 6:06pm
      - Manolo
        
        Indonesia shines when compared with a shithole like Haiti or El Salvador, dear stephieboy.
        
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        January 16, 2018 6:21pm
    - Gabby
      
      But you said he didn’t call a spade a spade manuro.
      
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      January 16, 2018 5:59pm
  - realityczech
    
    stupidboy look on the bright side, now they have a human president millions of lives will be spared as the black beasts reign of destruction and death ends.
    
    Trump is a statesman, not an African warlord.
    
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    January 16, 2018 5:53pm
Andrei

I suspect this is all going to end in tears for many while the promoters drive around in Ferraris
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January 16, 2018 2:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

A few words of warning for all you on-line daters out there…

Be careful in Melbourne .
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/back-to-the-80s-gonorrhoea-and-syphilis-are-resurging-in-melbourne-20180115-h0ih75.html
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January 16, 2018 2:28pm
- Muzza M
  
  STI’s on the rise, ungrateful economic migrants of African descent going on the rampage. Any correlation?
  
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  January 16, 2018 3:24pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The article postulates casual sex amongst the on-line set as one factor.
    
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    January 16, 2018 3:37pm
Kimbo

@ Maggy Wassilieff

FYI – contra the “flat earth hypothesis”, and previous observations, my friend has notched up his first observation of the Devonport Ferry Building dipping beneath the horizon from Te Atatu Peninsula. So “refraction” seems to be the likely (almost certain) explanation for previous sitings beyond the supposedly visible horizon. He is still intending to contact you time permitting. I’m suggesting a laser of sufficient power should confirm and take out the refraction-due-to-temperature issue. As you said visibility due refraction is in theory unlimited. It is a mirage, after all! 😉
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January 16, 2018 2:32pm
- rangitoto
  
  You will have a chance to observe the Earth’s shadow moving across the Moon on the early hours of 1 Feb (start observing around midnight 31st Jan). One of the “proofs” given by Aristotle demonstrating that the Earth must be spherical.
  
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  January 16, 2018 2:51pm
  - Kimbo
    
    No, is not “black swan” proof as per Popper’s principle of falsification. Like the observable spherical nature of the planets, it is merely highly suggestive. Could be a shadow from something else of which we are not aware.
    
    Hey, I know my friend is (almost certainly) wrong, but as an exercise in epistemology it is fascinating to listen to the reaction of his family and friends. “No, no, the earth is not flat!”. OK, so how much do you really know and/or can prove that, and how much is it due to the social conditioning you’ve absorbed since you were a child? I mean, hey, the common sense of a child tells them the earth is….flat! 😉
    
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    January 16, 2018 2:55pm
    - rangitoto
      
      How does your friend explain this:
      
      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Pendule_de_Foucault.jpg
      
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      January 16, 2018 3:07pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Without putting words in his mouth, he does/cannot, other than, of necessity there must be a conspiracy, so unless he can duplicate it and be in control of the process, it remains moot and/or suspect.
        
        Bear in mind that again, the Foucault pendulum does not prove in absolute terms as there could be another, as yet undiscovered explanation. My friend does not, after all, think gravity exists. Things fall because they are made to go from up to down. Oh, yes, and as iron loses magnetism at a temperature lower than the alleged temperature of the earth’s magnetic core, north pole magnetism is/may be something else. 😉
        
        Also, again without putting words in his mouth, ancient cultures such as the Babylonians and Mayans developed sophisticated calendars and accurate eclipse-prediction models working with…a flat earth model.
        
        Hence his determination to do the one experiment he knows he can control – observing phenomena that, due to the earth’s alleged curvature should be beyond the horizon, once refraction due to temperature has been accounted for.
        
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        January 16, 2018 3:20pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Measurement of gravity between metal spheres at exactly the same height on a torsional balance is a common undergrad physics experiment – definitely not just ‘up to down’. This flat earth hypothesis needs a little more revision.
        
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        January 16, 2018 4:18pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Sorry, to clarify, just because Galileo observed the global moons of Jupiter orbiting that global planet, does not automatically mean the earth (as per Copernicus) was also a a globe, nor that it too (as per Galileo) orbited (the sun). Highly suggestive, yes, but no, logically and in the absence of other empirical data, it does not “demonstrat(e) that the Earth must be spherical”.
    
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    January 16, 2018 3:04pm
    - rangitoto
      
      No but the aberration of light is trickier to dismiss.
      
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      January 16, 2018 3:08pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Indeed, but not impossible. And if other data says the earth is flat, e.g., one can see things on the horizon that mathematics and geometry tell you should not be observable, one set of data has to be the starting point.
        
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        January 16, 2018 3:27pm
      - rangitoto
        
        The simpler explanation is that your friend is trolling you 😉
        
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        January 16, 2018 3:32pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Kimbo:
        
        Good to see you back!
        
        Your discussion with Rangitoto reminds me of an instance where Kea trolled you mercilessly. You wrote a very long comment about religious interpretation and addressed it to “Witness”. He responded:
        
        Kimbo! I was hoping you turned up! Wow, that is a long post! And very serious! Allow me to respond… Burp.
        
        And then he followed up with this:
        
        Well this was fun. I had loads of fun! No, really I did! Now, I need to consult my special friend. Did you have fun LegioXII?
        
        Are you sure your friend isn’t pulling your leg (even if in a well-intentioned UglyTruth sort of way)?
        
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        January 16, 2018 3:35pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ rangitoto & Nostradamus
        
        The simpler explanation is that your friend is trolling you ?
        ……
        Are you sure your friend isn’t pulling your leg (even if in a well-intentioned UglyTruth sort of way)?
        
        Nope – and we already have a wannabe William of Ockham! 😉 . He is the real deal. And contra what one might think, a clever guy – clever enough to be prosperous in life. Which is a result of
        
        1. His natural and also now well-honed counter-intuitive/self-made abilities abilities
        2. His skepticism
        3. His determination to do thorough research rather than relying on others
        4. His ability to put aside emotion when making judgements.
        5. His willingness to take absolute responsibility for his decisions.
        
        Put it this way, one knows very soon that Ugly truth has…emotional issues. Not my friend. We joked recently that he was mentioned in the parer recently – he was the sole Kiwi who went to this flat-earth conference in North Carolina
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11961271
        
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        January 16, 2018 3:35pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        simples: we simply have to change the speed of light as a function of the distance from the centre of the flat disk that is the earth (effectively a mathematical transform) so that optically the flat world appears round.
        
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        January 16, 2018 4:23pm
UpandComer

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2018/01/13/how-conservatives-are-being-destroyed-by-facebook-twitter-and-google-without-even-realizing-it-n2433962

This is pretty important.

The two most important things Trump can do right now are:

1) refuse to compromise on DACA and let it die. Because they have to go back.

I wouldn’t have said that, until I started getting a sense from the Jamie Damore lawsuit, what liberal social media are doing, and my own experiences not being able to find employment in Australia due to diversity quotas where we’re headed.

They have to go back.

2) Trump HAS to Anti-trust Google and Facebook and Twitter.

Because as the author in Towhall points out, the ped o supporting left own the media, and education, and Hollywood. They’re deleting videos about the 10 Commandments. They’re de-montising videos by Prager University and Christina Hoff Summers on alternative theories of feminism and welfare. They’re deleting videos on how to survive in the wilderness on the basis those videos are for ‘preppers’.

If conservatives are blacklisted and persecuted out of the social media space, as well as all major companies, it’s going to be a long awful future.

The twitter issue is really fraught.

The twitter left are arguing that it’s okay for companies to discriminate on the basis of race, sex and religion in relation to their private property (as long as it’s white, male, Christian).

Wait, where does that leave legally required ‘positive discrimination’?

It’s dangerous territory. Because the incentives for anyone white male and christian to buy-in to all the forms of ‘positive discrimination’ are starting to really look very very thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44uOmiS7XPs&t=8s

Because if you are going to be discriminated against, openly, and unfairly, why participate in any of these rules?

I can foresee a future where it simply becomes a necessity for people of conservative beliefs to adopt the same ruthless screening processes to keep out of their economic activity anyone on the left. I don’t know how that society would work. But it looks like it will become necessary unless the law starts being applied like it fucking is supposed to be – universally.
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January 16, 2018 3:34pm
- cmm
  
  Perhaps we should stop watching Trump. It’s all a big squirrel to keep us from focusing on our own back yard.
  
  What’s Winnie, Cindy and their CoL doing?
  
  The MSM is doing a great job of fogging their ineptitude with Trump stuff.
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:10pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Yeah that’s a fair call.
    
    Basically nothing is really happening that’s being reported in the media.
    
    Just a drop in business confidence and the usual absence of poverty in the media.
    
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    January 16, 2018 5:09pm
cmm

Stuff outstuffing themselves again:

NZ is worst, blared the headlines…

The URL says we’re worse than USA…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/100581810/sugary-drinks–nz-worse-than-usa-uk-and-australia-study-finds

The text says we’re worse than Canada, but not as bad as USA.

Then blaah blaah blaah about teeth and obesity.

“The latest OECD update found New Zealand to have the third highest rates of obesity in the world, topped only by USA and Mexico. ” That is a complete lie.

We might have the third worst in obesity in the OECD, but that is not the third worst in the world.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_body_mass_index we’re in 22nd.

Since the top ten fat countries are in Polynesia, it is no surprise that our increasing demographic is changing our statistics.

Is this how sloppy professional journalists are?
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January 16, 2018 4:06pm
- Digmen1
  
  I notice that the whole western and developed world is getting fatter.
  
  If you watch news reports from the 60’s and 70’s you will be amazed at how fat we have become.
  
  Even Philipinos, half their army and police are now quite bulky.
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:24pm
- Harriet
  
  “The latest OECD update found New Zealand to have the third highest rates of obesity in the world, topped only by USA and Mexico. ” That is a complete lie.”
  
  Yep – go to any supermarket in Aussie and you will see at anytime of the day lots of women who are 8 months pregnant with last weeks food shopping, and they are there doing the same again, impregnating themselves with volumes of food.
  
  It’s all about the quantity of arse you have today – not the quality. It’s as gross as being a Kardashian. Where is Armenia on the list? 😎
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:32pm
mara

Is it just me who thinks that KB posts are very sparse and uninteresting these days? WO banned me years ago but I find his blog more interesting at the moment.
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January 16, 2018 4:09pm
- cmm
  
  Start your own blog any time you feel like it.
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:11pm
  - mara
    
    cmm, you must be happy that fat scientists and skinny non-scientific types may all comment here. Happy new year.
    
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    January 16, 2018 4:25pm
    - cmm
      
      If you want some interesting posts then write a guest piece and send it to DPF.
      
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      January 16, 2018 4:35pm
      - mara
        
        After you my dear. I’m only a female and wouldn’t possibly attempt to get in line ahead of your manliness. Shakes head and goes away.
        
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        January 16, 2018 4:46pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, they banned me as well, as a result of a simple mistake, and they would not accept my explanation and were very rude.
  But yes there is much more happening there.
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:12pm
  - Gabby
    
    Crawl back and beg dicman. It won’t work but you’ll enjoy it.
    
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    January 16, 2018 6:24pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Holiday time and summer weather hopefully can explain KB being a bit of a desert recently. The other major impairment has the govt keeping a very low profile, or as cmm says above, “The MSM is doing a great job of fogging their ineptitude with Trump stuff.”
  
  When does the COL get back to work for the year?
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:19pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Mara:
  
  KB posts are very sparse and uninteresting these days
  
  William of Ockham and Morrissey will be devastated that you don’t appreciate their *cough* contributions!
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:22pm
Digmen1

As predicted on here.
NZ Business confidence falls – report

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11975888

Its a bit hard to understand, but I think it has gone from 5% positive to 11% negative.

Wait till Labour’s anti business plans really kick in.
How can we undo this?
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January 16, 2018 4:09pm
- cmm
  
  Can’t be Cindy’s fault.
  
  She’s been sorting out Australia and calibrating Trump’s orangeness, so she could not have done any damage here.
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:13pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes it is, her COL government has their policies and they have said they will implement them as soon as possible.
    
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    January 16, 2018 4:20pm
- stephieboy
  
  Digmen1 , been there done that ,
  
  Business confidence drops significantly as economic pulse slows
  
  30 May, 2015 5:00am
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11456951
  
  Sigh ..
  
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  January 16, 2018 6:57pm
Digmen1

What annoys me about the soft drink companies is that they add other things to replace the sugar and reduce the size of their cans or bottles!

Yet the refuse to change their basic recipe.
Eg there are six tea spoons of sugar in a can of coke in NZ.
I am sure that if they reduce it by one tea spoon a year, no one would notice, and we would still buy their products.

PS I heard that in the UK, there is much less sugar in their drinks.
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January 16, 2018 4:16pm
- waikatogirl
  
  You’ll be happy to hear Digmen1 that sugar refiners are changing the processing to reduce the amount of damaging sugar by not refining it as much.
  
  Is it just me thinking that if sugar cane isn’t processed fully to white sugar you still have sugar? ?
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:35pm
  - Harriet
    
    Yep – but they have different effects on the body.
    
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    January 16, 2018 4:51pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Yes, I realise sugar not processed to refined white is worse for you (apparently) than brown sugar, etc, but it is still sugar and therefore unlimited amounts are still not good for those who regularly over-indulge, one of the things being blamed for increasing obesity.
      
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      January 16, 2018 5:31pm
      - nasska
        
        The enemy, at least for diabetes, may not be sugar raw or refined but rather High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS). Sweeter than sugar & used extensively in the soft drinks industry.
        
        http://www.newworld.co.nz/inspire-me/family-nutrition/sugar-in-disguise/
        
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        January 16, 2018 6:09pm
- cmm
  
  Don’t like it, don’t buy it.
  
  My kids (now in their 20s) have had fizzy drink once in their lives. They wanted to know what it tastes like. Each had a mouthful or two and that’s it.
  
  PS: According to the nutritional information on Coke UK and Coke NZ’s websites, they have the same amount of sugar: 10.6g per 100ml.
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:47pm
  - Harkman
    
    So back in my 20s, I had a spur of the moment decision to travel around the UK and maybe Europe (it was right after 9/11 or SARS). Having never left the country before, after what felt like a week in the air, I went straight into the Burger King at Heathrow, needing sugar I asked for the Fanta, and what they gave me WASN’T ORANGE it was yellow, like Mellow Yellow or Sparkling Duet but nowhere near as nice. It is amazing how these things change from region to region.
    
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    January 16, 2018 6:13pm
    - cmm
      
      Fanta is not a flavour. It is a brand – like Schwepps or whatever.
      
      In South Africa there was Fanta orange and Fanta grape (purple). They trialled Fanta pineapple (yellow) but discontinued it, then brought it back again once the Pom tourists started turning up after the end of apartheid.
      
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      January 16, 2018 8:16pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Like Volkswagen, Fanta is a legacy of…the Nazis. Hey, someone had to Godwin the thread! 😉
        
        Fanta originated as a cola substitute as a result of difficulties importing Coca-Cola syrup into Nazi Germany during World War II due to a trade embargo.[1] To circumvent this, Max Keith, the head of Coca-Cola Deutschland (Coca-Cola GmbH) during the war, decided to create a new product for the German market, using only ingredients available in Germany at the time, including whey and apple pomace—the “leftovers of leftovers”, as Keith later recalled.[1][2] The name was the result of a brief brainstorming session, which started with Keith’s exhorting his team to “use their imagination” (Fantasie in German), to which one of his salesmen, Joe Knipp, immediately retorted “Fanta!”
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanta
        
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        January 16, 2018 8:19pm
Tom Barker

A great many people, on this site and elsewhere:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-shithole-countries-neo-nazis-white-supremacists-celebrate-more-or-less-same-page-racist-a8157796.html

are clearly hoping that Trump did indeed use the term ‘shithole’ to refer to countries whose citizens he despises.
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January 16, 2018 4:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  Tom Barker ,
  
  “While most of the world recoils in horror, neo-Nazis celebrate the president’s reported remarks as an indication that ‘he is more on the same page as us “
  
  Whats wrong with that ?Trump merely voicing what you and many other Trumpeters have been thinking along all the time.
  
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  January 16, 2018 5:21pm
Digmen1

Yes, I do, but only because our politicians are far too weak and lilly livered, left wing, goody goodbye white apoligists. (Remember Rowan Atkinson’ Thin Blue Line)

If they did their JOB and kept our countries safe, then we would not need to worry about shit holes.
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January 16, 2018 5:12pm
Digmen1

Inspector Grim it was. The Thin Blue Line
Some great clips on Youtube
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January 16, 2018 5:38pm
Harriet

“……Victorian Greens MP Lidia Thorpe has suggested flags be flown at half-mast on Australian Day in remembrance of atrocities committed against Indigenous people.
Ms Thorpe said she found the January 26 celebrations to be “disrespectful” to her people.
“We can’t celebrate a day that marks a day of invasion, a day of mourning,” she said.
“This country needs to own the truth of what’s happened to its first people.
“We need to own that we were invaded and atrocities occurred.”

“Senator Di Natale has told more than 100 Greens councillors across the country that they will have the full support and resources of the federal party if they launch local campaigns to move celebrations from January 26….”

Australian aboriginals had a long history of violence before British settlement, and European civilisation actually helped double their life expectancy.
Nobody has a monopoly on suffering – as even the Buddha said, “Life is suffering”.

It’s not like we are sitting down on Australia Day to a national dish of Smashed Abo, lamb represents tenderness and rejuvenation. 😎
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January 16, 2018 5:50pm
- Digmen1
  
  This is what we are up against!
  Send her back!
  Make Australia Great Again
  
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  January 16, 2018 6:21pm
- Gabby
  
  She’s a bedduva girly snofwake alright Harry, but I’m gevvena Strawlier Doy a mess thess yea, an oddid voise yewd adieu thisoime mite.
  
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  January 16, 2018 6:33pm
  - starboard
    
    Fuckin retard
    
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    January 16, 2018 7:50pm
nasska

…..”a national dish of Smashed Abo”…..

The special people of NZ traditionally dined on smashed members of neighbouring tribes wrapped in puha & steamed to perfection in a hangi. The much maligned yet benevolent British cockies saved them from self imposed extinction by introducing delicacies such as maize & mutton.

Does that count? 🙂
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January 16, 2018 6:16pm
- Harriet
  
  I should have said “Unlike the Greens we aren’t dining on Smashed Abo.” Ain’t that the truth.
  
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  January 16, 2018 6:37pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Harriet , what else have you got up your White Australia and white supremacist sleeve ?
    
    http://cape.alltogethernow.org.au/am-i-right-to-be-concerned/
    
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    January 16, 2018 6:51pm
    - Harriet
      
      I’d hardly think that whites are supremacist given that blacks in the world out number us. It’s simply a case of maintaining standards and not allowing western democracies to become as corrupt as ‘black democracies’. Blacks hardly survive let alone thrive under black corruption in Africa and other 2nd and 3rd world shit holes, and they don’t thrive in the west either; their minds are corrupted by academic white privilege in shit hole universities and government departments!
      
      PC: Long drop countries. 😎
      
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      January 16, 2018 7:10pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Harriet , even more up your sleeve ? Keep it up .
        
        How do you think your brain is physiological superior to a Black African or an Aborigine’ s brain.
        
        Do you think so called African corruption is encoded into their genome ?
        
        I think Asians out number Africans . Does that also alarm you ?.
        
        Does your pastor and church members mirror your views ?
        
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        January 16, 2018 7:23pm
Harriet

Chicago and Detroit have both been corrupted by ‘black local democracies’. Black on black violence and black abortion rates also speaks of local authority corruption.

What more evidence do you want stephie – yo cracker head knocked off? 😎

Edit; brains have as much to do with the problem as one’s heart; ethics and morals speak for both.
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January 16, 2018 7:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  Harriet , New York is the very opposite with a similar proportion of African Americans . Chicago could be to do with better governance and higher unemployment rates the latter ow rich Chicago is notorious for .
  
  You seem to be aching for an all out race war with so much hatred . What have Africans or Aborigines done to you to incur this kind of hatred .?
  
  Maybe a visit to your Doctor will help discussing medication options ? Yet I doubt he nor she could fix your hate .
  
  I still would be interested to here about your church and the kind of people that worship there .
  Don’t be shy !
  
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  January 16, 2018 7:57pm
  - Harriet
    
    “……You seem to be aching for an all out race war with so much hatred ……….I still would be interested to here about your church and the kind of people that worship there …..”
    
    More like I’ll start an immediate religious war ……they’re Anglican. 😎
    
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    January 16, 2018 8:43pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Harriet , do they share your views !
      
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      January 16, 2018 8:55pm
Digmen1

If you are talking white supremacy well yes.
All the good things in the modern world have been invented and marketed by white people.
Phones, cars, electricity, running water, sewage systems.
Its just a fact.

And yes Boston, Phildelphia and Chicago are black shit holes. Look at the crime stats.
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January 16, 2018 7:36pm
- Kimbo
  
  Historically those cities first went to the dogs when the European Irish Catholics and then Italians and other non WASPs first washed up in America in the second half of the 19th Century. Al Capone anyone? Black migration to northern cities was a phenomena of the first half of the 20th Century.
  
  Oh yes, and Jews have invented heaps, and ethnically, like Arabs, they are Semites, not Europeans. With allowances for the cultural differences between Ashkenaz, Sephardic and Mizrahi.
  
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  January 16, 2018 7:59pm
  - Kimbo
    
    In short European “superiority” is not ethnically inherent, but rather cultural, based on historical cultural and intellectual factors mediated through the Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment, some of which originated outside Europe, e.g., the Bible which in Ancient Near Eastern in origin.
    
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    January 16, 2018 8:15pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      It’s funny how liberals band about the term “white supremacy”.
      
      The people who you label “supremacists” are not that at all – rather they just want to live in a society with people like themselves. There is nothing wrong with this – it’s how the rest of the world lives and how our Ancestors lived until the multikult experiment began a few decades ago.
      
      And perhaps you should ask Blacks and Arabs why they cross oceans to come to the West? Could it be that it is actually they who think our cultures are supreme? ?
      
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      January 16, 2018 8:42pm
      - Kimbo
        
        The people who you label “supremacists”…
        
        Now why am I surprised you crawled out from underneath your rock with your regular off-topic talking point. 😉
        
        Oh, and by the way I didn’t inject the term “white supremacy/supremacist” into the discussion, Digmen1 did. So how about you actually engage with my point – European technological superiority (again, Digman1’s original discussion point) is not ethnically inherent, but rather culturally mediated as a result of historic factors that arguably could have happened to any other race anywhere and any time under the right circumstances?
        
        Or was there an inherent ethnic reason why my (and presumably your) ancestors were afraid to sail out of sight of land, while the Polynesians were turning the Pacific Ocean into their own lake, without aid of map, sextant or compass?
        
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        January 16, 2018 8:54pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        I inadvertently answered your question below Kimbo.
        
        while the Polynesians were turning the Pacific Ocean into their own lake, without aid of map, sextant or compass
        
        Why didn’t they make any return trips back then Kimbo?
        
        Tasman & Cook were able to return to the other side of the globe across the most violent oceans while Maori couldn’t even make a short hop back across the gentle Pacific❗
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:01pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”while Maori couldn’t even make a short hop across the genteel Pacific”…..
        
        Mostly because they got to NZ, had a memory fade & forgot how to use sails. I doubt that any ethnic group in the history of mankind ever regressed in customs or collective knowledge to the extent Maori did in the 400 odd years before European settlement.
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:09pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Why didn’t they make any return trips back then Kimbo?
        
        Now aren’t you the guy who argued that necessity drove European innovation? Not too clever on the supposedly inherent European ability to utilise intelligence to problem-solve, are you?
        
        Simple answer that accounts for widespread dispersion throughout the vast Polynesian Triangle – due to population increases and inter-tribal rivalry, there was no need or advantage in returning or maintaining contact (i.e., it is likely that initially return voyages did occur) once a new colony was established and self-sufficient. Is the story of all human migration – same reason the Native Americans eventually forsook the original land bridge from Siberia. For what purpose would you return?
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:10pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ nasska
        
        I doubt that any ethnic group in the history of mankind ever regressed in customs or collective knowledge to the extent Maori did in the 400 odd years before European settlement.
        
        Irish Catholics? Seriously. Whatever mismanagement the British caused with the Potato Famine, endemic cultural fatalism and backwardness played a large part too. Yet there is nothing inherently stupid or racially inferior about the Irish. Indeed they are a land of poets and scholars. But sometimes, in some places, entire (sub) cultures turn down a blind alley of bad ideas…and bad results follow until they either die out, or shake themselves from their stupor, often as a result of encounters with foreigners. Which also presents another challenge to adapt, as per the mixed by not entirely negative (indeed often very positive) legacy of colonialism.
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:17pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”But sometimes, in some places, entire (sub) cultures turn down a blind alley of bad ideas…and bad results follow until they either die out, or shake themselves from their stupor”…..
        
        Probably developing a hero worship of “warriors” wouldn’t help much either. Warlike, physically large cretins who see violence as the solution to everything. Judging by the remnants of the warrior class we see in NZ’s ghettos & prisons they would have dined on the intellectuals & moderates.
        
        Even half a millenium would have provided time for traits such as these to become predominant.
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:36pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ nasska
        
        Too simplistic. And as much as you loathe religion, Maori were astute enough to embrace Christianity and the British Crown because they wanted to escape the effects of the musket wars and transform their culture. Germs, alcohol and tobacco (part of the down side of colonialism) didn’t help. And I’ve posted it before – this is an eye opener on traditional Maori parenting: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11644786
        
        But I would agree that while most/many Maori thrive by any reasonable standard, nonetheless there is a disproportionate sub culture within Maori that exhibits all the worst human traits – victimhood, self-pity, resentment, lack of positive initiative, a welfare-mentality, a failure to delay gratification and exercise restraint for others including future generations, unwillingness to learn from outsiders including the positive things that do exist in Maori culture. “Ferals” is the term I believe I’m looking for. 😉
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:42pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      In short European “superiority” is not ethnically inherent,
      
      Actually Kimbo it is. Europeans have larger brains than Africans. Surely you understand the process of evolution?
      
      Our ingenuity has arrived from our ancestors centuries long experience of having to adapt to, survive and prosper in climates that require a high degree of thought, planning and co-operation. Our ancestors had learn to grow crops, domesticated animals, build shelter, store food, build huge ships to explore the 7 seas, specialise etc. That is the only way to survive harsh winters.
      
      Compare with the African/ Aboriginal/ Maori etc. where life was unthinking and you eat what you kill (including other people!).
      
      Are you familiar with r/k type selection? Whites are K type and Blacks are R type.
      
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      January 16, 2018 8:55pm
      - Kimbo
        
        And here was me thinking it was the Ancient Near Eastern Sumerians who first produced agrarian economies and writing…
        
        Or as before, the Polynesians who inhabited the Pacific. In short, all races and/or cultures wax and wane, prosper and decline as a result of their culturally-learned and/or innovative response to circumstances. Nothing racially inherent about it.
        
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        January 16, 2018 8:58pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “Actually Kimbo it is. Europeans have larger brains than Africans”
        
        Evidence and facts to make that ludicrous claim .
        
        BTW do Jews have smaller brains than yours ?
        
        “re you familiar with r/k type selection? Whites are K type and Blacks are R type.”
        
        Tell us more about this apparent pseudo race science ?
        
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        January 16, 2018 8:59pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/K_selection_theory
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:03pm
      - Kimbo
        
        In short, all races and/or cultures wax and wane, prosper and decline as a result of their culturally-learned and/or innovative response to circumstances. Nothing racially inherent about it. Europe (and parts of Asia) were seasonally cold, whereas tropical Africa and the Pacific provided automatic abundance of food. Necessity is the mother of invention – is the story of human ingenuity.
        
        So over the course of just a few thousand years (6,000 since the Sumerians invented writing to keep records of their agricultural produce) you consider that sufficient to create dramatic differences in “intelligence” (as determined and measured by Europeans)?
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:05pm
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD TWO, Bollux !,
        
        Forum:R/K selection BS
        
        “If you look up “r/K selection” on Google you’ll get a few reputable biology articles followed by a veritable slew of right-wing and reactionary bloggers (including Stefan Molyneux). Basically, r/K selection refers to whether an organism has lots of poorly-raised offspring or a few well-raised ones. The crank bloggers seem to think that liberals are r-selected and conservatives are K-selected, even though conservative politicians have been against abortion and birth control from the beginning. Someone ought to write a
        rebuttal. Rnizam (talk) 13:43, 18 January 2017 (UTC)..…”
        
        https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Forum:R/K_selection_BS
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:07pm
      - nasska
        
        …..(6,000 since the Sumerians invented writing to keep records of their agricultural produce)…..
        
        So you have to concede that once again the farmers led the development race. A grain surplus meant they were able to domesticate animals thereby creating a supply of protein which increased the brain power of the miserable city dwellers.
        
        Truly you no-hopers would be stuffed without us. 🙂
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:25pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ nasska
        
        Fuck off, farmer boy – it took the university graduates to launch the Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment. With a bit of help from the printers. 😉
        
        Nonetheless your point is well made – we all stand on the shoulders of giants and innovators, or, to mix metaphors as part of a continuous stream of human achievement, some of which flows like the mighty Mississippi affecting many, while other branches of the human story end up in small tributaries and even swamps. All as a result of good or bad ideas in response to changing circumstances, accidents of history and geography, and needs.
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:29pm
      - stephieboy
        
        nasska,
        “Truly you no-hopers would be stuffed without us’
        
        You ? You’re joking, naturally ?
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:44pm
- stephieboy
  
  Digmen1 , all you’ve done is confirmed what most have always suspected . Trump supporters are largely white supremacists .
  
  This does not bode well for humanity as the 1930s graphically reminds us .
  
  Nobody has proved anything by hate as this clip reminds us ,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7PmzdINGZk
  
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  January 16, 2018 8:03pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Its not so much as being a white supremacist.
    Its more about keeping your country safe, and keeping its cultural and ethnic balance.
    
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    January 16, 2018 8:24pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Digmen1 ,
      
      “…keeping its cultural and ethnic balance.”
      
      Now what could that mean for New Zealand ?
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:01pm
      - Digmen1
        
        Lots more people from Norway, and none from muslim or PI shitholes.
        
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        January 16, 2018 9:03pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Digmen , there is not racial or ethnic immigration discrimination bar .
      
      I can safely assume Norwegians are generally happy to live where they enjoying standards of living presently unheard of here .
      
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      January 16, 2018 9:47pm
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        No but there should be.
        
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        January 16, 2018 10:02pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    “Trump supporters are largely white supremacists ”
    
    You just went full retard Steph?
    Never go full retard.
    
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    January 16, 2018 11:32pm
Digmen1

Glad to see the Project on tv.
I kind of like their take on things.

TV1 still think they can get away with 6 weeks holiday (arrogant bastards)
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January 16, 2018 7:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  Digmen 1 , as if anyone outside of KB or Whale oil cares about your rants and grunts .
  
  I suppose its Ok if Mike Hosking gets a six week break and those Trumpeter anchors on Fox etc ?
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:03pm
  - Digmen1
    
    No I used to want the news programs and documentaries to be on all year round.
    Every other business rosters its staff.
    
    Now I don’t care – they are just left wing MSM
    I just watch Fox News
    
    I bet I get more upticks than you do.
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:05pm
Digmen1

I just saw that marketing bitch from Lotto on the Project.

She said that people were asking to be able to play instant kiwi scratchies on line!
Liar.
They just wanted to make more money

How were people asking?
Have you ever tried to contact them.
They don’t have a contact email address!
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January 16, 2018 7:40pm
gump

I had to buy a fairly significant quantity of USD today.

Would anyone like to explain why the value of the New Zealand dollar has been climbing rapidly since the election?
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January 16, 2018 9:05pm
- Manolo
  
  It is not necesarily the NZD, gump. The USD has been weak across the board and lost to several major currencies.
  
  Just hold on ro your greenbacks for a while.
  
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  January 16, 2018 9:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo , perish the thought . Not under the new golden age of Trump , surely ?
    
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    January 16, 2018 9:48pm
    - Manolo
      
      Do not be an ignoramus, stephieboy.
      
      FOREX is a field impossible the predict and currency vagaries and fluctuacions will always happen. Political issues are just another set of variables in this complex equation.
      
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      January 17, 2018 6:19am
Manolo

The NZ food nazis would like it to happen here:
https://pjmedia.com/trending/soda-tax-sticker-shock-grips-seattle/

On January 1, Seattle had several new progressive laws go into effect.

Along with mandatory paid sick leave, mandates for employers to post work schedules 14 days in advance, and severe restrictions on short-term rental platforms, Seattle imposed a massive new soda tax — 1.75 cents per OUNCE on sugary drinks.
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January 17, 2018 6:21am
Digmen1

I am against sugar tax.
But in return I want Coca Cola to drop their sugar in every can by 1 tea spoon a year.
No one will notice the difference. in taste.
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