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William of Ockham

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https://www.theguardian.com/books/2018/jan/14/fire-and-fury-michael-wolff-inside-trump-white-house-review
Michael Wolff’s sensational White House exposé paints Trump as a childlike nonentity sustained by our grim fascination

Fire and Fury also gives the lowdown on the lacquered trompe-l’oeil that is Trump’s hairdo, with those tinted tendrils combed over a cranium that is totally bald and resonantly empty. But beyond such acts of exposure, what makes the book significant is its sly, hilarious portrait of a hollow man, into the black hole of whose needy, greedy ego the whole world has virtually vanished. Wolff deplores Trump, explains the conditions that made him possible, and accuses us all of colluding in this madness.

He begins by asserting Trump’s nihilism, even his nonentity. The Fox ideologue Roger Ailes concluded that he lacked both principles and backbone. An economic adviser in the White House regards him as “less a person than a collection of terrible traits”. Or perhaps of terrifying tweets – Trump doesn’t and maybe can’t read, so he finds coherent speech problematic, and soon degenerates into doddery repetition or vile invective; Twitter is his chosen mode of utterance because it matches the spasmodic urges by which he is impelled.
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January 15, 2018 8:01am
- igm
  
  I recently had to put down a damn good horse, and then I read vile crap such as this. Wish I had an option.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:04am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  WoO – In other words you haven’t read it? Wonder what else you haven’t actually read.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:07am
- mandk
  
  Trump sent Nicky Halley to sort out the UN and, to my mind, that alone makes him a great President.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:26am
  - matchbox
    
    Neither Nicky, nor Halley.
    
    Nikki Haley.
    
    (If only one had been wrong, I’d have ignored, but come on)
    
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    January 15, 2018 11:09am
    - Positan
      
      Of course, you’re right – but we knew who he meant – and so we agreed full-heartedly.
      
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      January 15, 2018 11:25am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Downticked and gone. Feel like I have done my duty to the nation. Today can only get better now….
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:44am
- Ed Snack
  
  You can’t persuade those like WoO from his unhealthy obsession as he didn’t arrive at that position by any form of logic or reason. rather he (it ?) got there by emotion in the same way that a 2 year old does.
  
  Imagine how galling it must be though, here’s this (according to them) completely stupid, incoherent, and incompetent non-politician – and that person beat their chosen messiah follow on like a gong !
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:00am
starboard

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I tried…?
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January 15, 2018 8:01am
artemisia

Is there a new Kiwibuild target for the first 3 years? Mr Twyford has said 16,000 in this period, including 10,000 in 2020 and in following years 10,000+ to reach the 100,000 target.

However I see a poster in GD on 12 January (ztev) says target is 3.5k in the first 3 years so the Kiwiblog counter needs adjustment.

Has there been a revised target and I missed it?
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January 15, 2018 8:06am
- waikatogirl
  
  Keep the existing house number counter, but add another one with Twitford’s revised number so we have a visual reminder of his lowering expectations of housing numbers to be built by the CoL. ?
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:13am
  - labrator
    
    Coalition of Lowering Expectations.
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:03am
    - matchbox
      
      Coalition of Election Lies.
      
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      January 15, 2018 11:19am
  - Paulus
    
    Waigirl
    The whole aim of such figures is to create confusion in the minds of the media, who do not know shit from clay, so they can bullshit the public.
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:55am
- doggone7
  
  Has there been a revised notion? Like, is there now a housing ‘crisis’?
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:50am
  - JasonJohns
    
    The White Pendragons strike!
    Try citizens arrest of British MPs
    Bringing Trumpism and white rights to UK
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/904153/Sadiq-Khan-Fabian-Society-speech-White-Pendragons-London-protest
    
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    January 15, 2018 6:19pm
- G152
  
  All those I know in the building industry are flat tack just keeping up with the usual demands.
  There is very little slack and Earthquake renewals seem to be taking up any at the moment.
  Any increase in house builds is airy fairy land
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:57am
  - ztev
    
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    if that is so , why did national promise total new houses in the next 6 years be 200K
    The previous 3 years actual build was 87K
    
    The real secret is we cant just carry on doing building the way it has been for the last 15 years.
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:30am
    - Harkman
      
      What with an earthquake code or are you referring to all those leftie local government Bureaucrats clipping the ticket?
      
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      January 15, 2018 9:41am
    - artemisia
      
      There has been an uptrend in building consents granted for several years. Almost certainly would have been higher if the RMA changes had been in place. Obviously a delay between consent and finished but Statistics NZ numbers look close to the 200,000 over 6 years.
      
      The potential problem is with Kiwibuild as the 100,000 are additional.
      
      In the 12 months to 30 November 2017, consents were issued for 31,123 new homes of all kinds, including 21,178 stand-alone houses. In the previous 12 months (to November 2016), consents were issued for 30,399 homes, including 21,391 houses.
      
      https://www.stats.govt.nz/news/auckland-home-consents-hit-15-year-high
      
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      January 15, 2018 9:57am
      - Herodotus
        
        Consents are not the same as what was built.
        As can be seen that Auckland building activity based on what code of compliances were issued is way less than what had been reported !!!
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11853702
        
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        January 15, 2018 2:28pm
    - Simon
      
      Ztve your bosses will fuck housing and the nz economy along with it.
      
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      January 15, 2018 10:16am
  - artemisia
    
    There has been an increase in building consents issued for the past few years. One reason for pressure on tradies.
    
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    January 15, 2018 11:15am
- VicParking
  
  Get used to it. The COL will come up with excuse after excuse as to why they can’t keep their election promises. The reason why so many of them have been sent to a “Comittee” is so when it reports back they can back out of a election promise or implement something (Capital gains tax) which they dare not tell the voters before hand. The other trick was their “Wishy Washy” statements like “Fair for all” which turned in National wage agreements.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:52am
- Harkman
  
  The only way this government can meet its targets is if they replace NCEA Maths, English and Science with “slave labour for the government” as a subject in schools.
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:49am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Labour are attempting to rewrite history with regard to their targets
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:20am
- Herodotus
  
  Artemisia this is the type of issue that both Nats and Lab have no idea. Kiwis deserve better governments than what we have had and a complicit media has not helped.
  The industry is maxed out and has been for quite some time.
  SHA’s are a failure and have contributed nothing bar 3000 houses in Auckland in 6 Years !!!!
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/97736731/Fewer-than-100-affordable-houses-built-under-Auckland-Housing-Accord
  And labours targets are nothing but election hype.
  Auckland’s dwellings that have been built over the last few years were assisted by a large number of appartments. With banks pulling the funding of these and severe cost increases apartment builds are projected to drop dramatically
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/96370104/only-a-years-supply-of-apartments-left-in-auckland
  Governments have created this problem and have NO idea of any solutions except a naturally driven market crash !!!
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:34am
- billr
  
  I haven’t seen any news recently of people sleeping in cars, so I guess that the housing crisis is “so last year” and as such, not so much of a problem, hence the government’s silence on this.
  
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  January 15, 2018 2:11pm
Inandout

Our sort of PM was speaking on TV this morning about Trump’s RACIST comments. Cindy, you don’t even look convincing, and where were you when we had that storm damage? Then James (beardo) Shaw talking about lack of gender bending on the census form.
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January 15, 2018 8:07am
- EAD_TWO
  
  It’s amazing observing the hysteria by the political elite around “racist” word crimes (real or imagined) especially those that point out what we all know is the truth.
  
  If they put as much focus into the actual crimes by those from Shitholes, (you know like rape, knife attacks, bombings, acid attacks, serious physical assaults and murders) then people might actually care.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:16am
- Chuck Bird
  
  It would be funny it Trump reacted to Cindy. He could mention how it is difficult to work with a socialist just before our election. I did not hear Cindy’s comment but she should not be bad mouthing the President of the USA.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:17am
  - Inandout
    
    Her ‘bad mouthing’ was accentuated by those ever prominent teeth, their prominence not helped by her skinniness.
    
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    January 15, 2018 8:22am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Probably too much of S&S’s almond milk & other vegan/paleo assortments.
      
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      January 15, 2018 8:26am
      - RF
        
        Slurping on nuts soaked in almond milk could have later consequences concerning unexpected weight gain.
        
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        January 15, 2018 8:46am
    - tf78
      
      I thought she sounded like she had grown a few more teeth (literally not in a ballsy way) over her holiday – her mouth seemed chock a block.
      
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      January 15, 2018 10:54am
      - RF
        
        Attended a relaxing BBQ yesterday. Included in the mix were 2 accountants who were predicting doom and gloom because of Grants policies.
        
        Heard a new name for our commie chic… “screaming skull.”
        
        That came from a very Gracious lady who stated that the person in question is a self centered socialist who will be very dangerous for NZ as she will destroy all the overseas good will built up by
        National.
        
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        January 15, 2018 11:37am
      - igm
        
        As said before, when Crockery is talking (especially lefty shit) it looks like a horse eating Scotch thistle.
        
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        January 15, 2018 11:50am
      - hullkiwi
        
        RF screaming skull, use to be John Minto. Please don’t wish him back.
        
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        January 15, 2018 1:08pm
  - MCos
    
    “I did not hear Cindy’s comment but” whatever she said I disagree.
    
    Protip: always put a comma before ‘but’.
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:06am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Pro tip: always put a comma before ‘but’ when used as a conjunction to introduce another clause, but not when using it as a preposition or adverb.
      
      ‘My only regret is that I have but one life to give my country.’ (Attributed to Nathan Hale.)
      ‘You’re but a young girl, working your way through the phonies.’ (Donovan, Young Girl Blues.)
      Nobody but Taxcinda can solve New Zealand’s crisis in [insert your preferred crisis].
      
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      January 15, 2018 1:58pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        And I should have added constructions such as, ‘I can’t help but wonder… ‘
        ‘You ain’t nothing but a hound dog.’ (Elvis)
        
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        January 15, 2018 2:06pm
      - Gabby
        
        kiwi dope, your examples show you fail to grasp that ‘but’ is being used to mean different things.
        
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        January 15, 2018 2:22pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Gabby
        
        Kiwi Dave demonstrates he has a fine grasp of punctuation and grammar.
        You demonstrate a mean and petty streak.
        
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        January 15, 2018 4:29pm
      - Gabby
        
        Magggy, kiwi dope is but a clot in the bloodstream of the body grammatic, but he fools the dimmer dopes.
        
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        January 15, 2018 8:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Gabby
        
        Well done.
        
        You’ve sussed your commas, coordinating conjunctions and independent clauses.
        
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        January 15, 2018 9:20pm
- doggone7
  
  Have you ever seen Steven Joyce ‘looking convincing’ and ‘sounding convincing’ while talking absolute nonsense and some fawning media person having it all go right over their head?
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:53am
  - Gabby
    
    I believe he has powers of hypnosis.
    
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    January 15, 2018 2:23pm
- Harkman
  
  National needs to be all over this reminding voters about the anti-smacking bill, social engineering and pretty soon gender neutral bathrooms in schools.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:45am
  - GoVege
    
    Yeah, why shouldn’t parents be able to beat the cr*p outa their kids?
    I even recall seeing Judith Collins on the Pacific TV telling Polynesian viewers “National won’t tell you how to discipline your kids”.
    Wadda woman!
    (Thankfully Key was kinder to the nation’s kids.)
    
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    January 15, 2018 2:50pm
    - Harkman
      
      This Government might finish what Helen only dreamed of, regulating our underwear.
      
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      January 15, 2018 7:14pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Shouldn’t Cindy be on the end of a hammer making good on her promise to build a gazillion houses or some-such?
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:48am
- cmm
  
  Even if he said Haiti is a shit-hole, how is that racist?
  
  Did he call it a black shit-hole?
  
  Haiti is an IQ shit-hole.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:51am
  - Harkman
    
    He actually said that he wanted more immigration to come from Asia. What a racist.
    
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    January 15, 2018 10:25am
- MrLovebucket
  
  What a face-palm moment. The US are a massive economy on the verge of going crazy. Why on earth would she piss them off like this at this point in time? She has absolutely no idea what she is doing!
  
  I don’t care if she has these views personally but she needs to understand the big picture. Comments like that can prove very expensive for NZ. 🙁
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:13am
  - artemisia
    
    Ms Ardern’s supporters in the beltway will expect her to say something disparaging, because it is Mr Trump so must be horrible.
    
    One day she might realise that a lot of New Zealanders agree with the shithole comment, (even if he didn’t say it).
    
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    January 15, 2018 10:19am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Diplomacy by “down-ticks” is Cindy’s thing. It’s all that can be expected from a vacuous airhead.
    
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    January 15, 2018 10:22am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      I would love to hear Trump say New Zealand is more than one Commie chick. Trump is known to hold grudges.
      
      I would like to see National remind here that attacking Trump on a personal level can cost New Zealand as MrLovebucket pointed out.
      
      She told Garner she wouldn’t let the President’s offensive language get in the way of New Zealand’s relationship with the US.
      
      “America always goes beyond one person. I’m mindful of that.”
      
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      January 15, 2018 12:13pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    My comment below on Cindy’s FB. I will probably get abused from her supporters and the Greens.
    
    Jacinda you are now PM not an opposition MP. You may preferred Hillary the rapist enabler than Trump. President Trump may not have the support of the majority in his country any more than you have in NZ. However, has it occurred to you that NZ needs the US more than the US needs NZ? The same of course applies to Oz.
    
    Has it also occurred to you that President Trump has been known to hold grudges? That would not matter if he just retaliated by referring to you as that Commie Chick. However, he could retaliate trade wise. The US does not need to buy anything from NZ. Many US farmers would be happy if they didn’t.
    
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    January 15, 2018 3:21pm
Biscuit

It’s gonna be a good day – not a single team/horse I bet on all weekend lost.

And today not only did Thugenal lose (as bet!) but Liverpool beat the League leaders as well…

I am on such a high I could even serve a morning tea to WoO and/or PENNY!
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January 15, 2018 8:09am
- pdm
  
  Bloody hell – it was you who gave the uptick to WOO wasn’t it.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:23am
- tf78
  
  Biscuit, you could be our resident “tipster”.
  I see Tony Veitch’s horse won again at Ellerslie – very happy for him it’s such a thrill.
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:59am
  - GoVege
    
    Yes..so glad his horse won.
    Sounds like the kind of guy you wana keep in a good mood….
    
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    January 15, 2018 5:05pm
Left Right and Centre

Heard of Blanca Blanco ?
Me neither.
She had the nerve to wear a red dress at that ‘everyone’s wearing black’ nonsense in Hollywood.

Red. Hot.
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January 15, 2018 8:09am
- holysheet
  
  Talk about hypocracy. These women who are protesting about the men being perverts need to look at themselves. What are we men supposed to think when we see some girl with her tits almost out for all to view. Put a bit of glitter on them and she will be in danger of being groped.
  Makes a mockery of all the older has beens in their black dowdy frocks. Good on her.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:21am
  - holysheet
    
    Just for stoooooopidboy save him a trip to the mall
    
    http://fashionpoliceng.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Actress-Blanca-Blanco-red-carpet-oscars-2017-fashionpolicenigeria.jpg
    
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    January 15, 2018 8:28am
    - backster
      
      Yep she wouldn’t look so good in black.
      
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      January 15, 2018 11:44am
  - matchbox
    
    Yep.
    
    Hollywood: where (for maximum financial reward) women in their thousands sexualise themselves in the extreme,
    while incessantly bleating of a mere handful of men who might have sexualised them.
    
    (Poor confused lefties).
    
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    January 15, 2018 11:31am
  - freethinker
    
    Interesting new name for Taxinda I saw in another comment – Glitter Tits – an exaggeration of course in Jacinda’s case as Grant would sport much bigger orbs.
    
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    January 15, 2018 1:50pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  nerve to wear a red dress
  
  I think she has draped a ripped sheet across part of her body, but definitely hot.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:09am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Maybe the protest movement in support of women being allowed to choose what colour clothes they wear is happening next month .
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:12am
Stars And Stripes

Just come back from a nice weekend up at the Volcanic Plateau where we did the Tongariro Crossing Walkway.
Had to laugh when I went to breakfast at the hotel and they had a jug of almond milk in the buffet, obviously they were expecting a bunch of pussies or maybe just Clarke Gayford.
The walk itself was pretty good even though it was completely over run by foreigners.
Most were from civilized western countries so met S&S’s impeccable standards but a few were from third world shitholes unfortunately which just pulled the whole tone of the place down.
I’m sure there would have been more of them but luckily the rubbish bins are not cleared on Saturday in Mt Roskill so they were otherwise occupied scavenging for leftovers.
One such example was a rickshaw boy from the subcontinent who thought that a pair of jandals was good footwear for the track.
When I encountered this idiot he was clutching his toes and asking other walkers if they had any sticking plaster.
Well yes I have actually but for a retard like you no I don’t so best I can suggest is to wrap a chapati around it and piss off.
As for the ugly chick with the dragon tattoo on her pimply arse who I rustled squatting behind a rock, toilets have been invented in this country so why don’t you learn how to use them as showing your bum in public is enough to make any guy flaccid for weeks afterwards.
Finally to the shuttle bus driver who gave a cultural talk before we got off about how the mountains were sacred to Māori and we should respect this while walking, I knew all along you were a fraud buddy and shame on you for thinking you could trick a veteran bigot such as S&S that easily.
He later redeemed himself however in a one on one conversation calling it all bullshit and chucking a couple of slurs in for good measure.
I thought this was quite touching on his part and I departed thinking what an all round top guy he was.
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January 15, 2018 8:11am
- Biscuit
  
  Ah I love that trail, Stars and Stripes.
  
  Far too energetic a stroll for my partner but she really enjoyed a smaller walk around a lake (Rotopounamu) on the saddle between Lake Rotoaira and Lake Taupo. Hour-long, beaut bush, a small BEACH, would you believe, NO crowds, idyllic…
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:17am
billmurray

God Bless America.
President Trump continually makes headlines across the worlds press.
The good, the bad, the bullshit, all keep thousands of journalists employed writing and talking about the good, the bad and the bullshit.
As for me, to calm me I have become a Mintie fan, they do help but my teeth are rotting.
Any other cures?.
I need help.
Urgently!.
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January 15, 2018 8:19am
- oldgolfer
  
  Too true, billmurray. Recently heard the ABC’s US correspondent lamenting that every time Trumpy sent out a tweet, she had to rewrite an earlier story.
  They simply don’t see it: every time to wants the media to change tack, he tweets, the more outrageous the better.
  He is the puppet-master, twerking the MSM at his will.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:25am
David Garrett

Stars: Very droll sir…I met a similar “top guy” Maori while on holiday recently. We sat and had a long talk about New Zealand history, the so called Treaty, the illegal land confiscations of the 1860’s…and a rahui being declared over a beach, the terms of which the local Maori didn’t deign to share with the rest of us.

“Fukin bullshit mate” my friend said…”They should put up a fuckin sign so everyone knows. And half these jokers who declare these things have got no authority anyway”.

One really interesting thing about our talk: after my friend expounded at length about how tribalism was a major reason for Maori problems, I asked him if he identified as a member of his iwi or as a Maori first. After considerable thought, he said he was a member of his iwi first, and a Maori second.
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January 15, 2018 8:19am
- cmm
  
  DG: “I asked him if he identified as a member of his iwi or as a Maori first.”
  
  I am not at all surprised there.
  
  The whole idea to lump Maori together as homogenous group a contrivance. Same as the Pacifika thing you pointed out recently and same deal in South Africa.
  
  I was once talking to a Zulu bloke about some issue pertaining to Africans. He said something like: “I am not an African. I am a Zulu. There are Xhosas in Africa, there are boers (Afrikaners) and English people in Africa, I am a Zulu person in Africa.”
  
  A conversation with a Pondo person went pretty much the same.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:26am
  - David Garrett
    
    cmm: Quite so…but I thought it was interesting that he identified as a member of his iwi first, after telling me at length why tribalism among Maori had not done them any good!
    
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    January 15, 2018 10:37am
    - cmm
      
      Sure, tribalism hasn’t done them much good (all the inter-tribal conflict – then and now), but racism (ie. identifying as Maori) has probably done them even more damage.
      
      There can be a lot of benefit from feeling you belong to a group: a sense of fitting into the world, responsibility, security etc. This is why Nationalism etc can be strong (and often positive) influences.
      
      But those have to be the groups that are meaningful to people that fit within a cultural context.
      
      For example, I am white and I originally come from South Africa. Many people might choose to put me in a the same bucket as Afrikaners called “White South Africans”. However Afrikaans was a completely foreign culture/set of values to mine. White might be what was on the government forms etc, but it is not how the people identified. I would say I understood Zulu culture and values better than I understood Afrikaner culture and values.
      
      Call a Scot a “white person from Uk” and you’re likely to get a “Glasgow kiss” and be told fook off I’m a Scot. I’d think the same could be applied to Maori.
      
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      January 15, 2018 2:44pm
peterwn

I think Australia has overstepped the mark with its latest deportation of an allegedly Kiwi crim to NZ. Accordingly to the news item the person was born in American Samoa of Australian parents and is a NZ citizen despite having never set foot in NZ. The news item is short on detail but does some issues such as:
1. On what basis is the person a NZ citizen? Perhaps one parent was born in NZ but has Oz citizenship or perhaps had a NZ grandparent at a time when patriality via grandparent might have been a valid path to citizenship.
2. The person presumably obtained a NZ passport otherwise the Oz authorities may not have rumbled to the person being a ‘kiwi’. Why did the person need a NZ passport?
3. The person may have found it useful to have a NZ passport to help with illegal activities.
4. Perhaps more likely the person needed a passport and at the time found the NZ passport the easiest to obtain. Normally the person would have an Australian passport but being born in American Samoa probably meant there were bureaucratic hurdles to this option. Similarly Uncle Sam would impose even greater hurdles (countries do not like granting automatic citizenship to people born there when parents are not citizens or permanent residents).

Since the parents are Australian and the person spent most of his life in Australia and has never set foot in NZ, Australia should just put up with it and not try to unload the problem on to NZ.
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January 15, 2018 8:30am
- GoVege
  
  I’m more interested in how so many Samoans, despite all of them claiming to be “Christians”, are so incredibly violent, Australia insists on deporting them…..unfortunately back here.
  This guy Alex Viane describes a childhood of violence and fear.
  When are Islanders (and Maoris) going to stop beating the sh*t out of their kids and stop producing criminals?
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:19am
  - David Garrett
    
    GoVeg: I always remember a client of mine in Tonga – himself a Tongan – saying to me “David, there are a great many religious people here in Tonga…but not many Christians.”
    
    Never a truer word.
    
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    January 15, 2018 10:38am
    - GoVege
      
      Same for all the Pacific Islands, David.
      I see the Samoan PM is laughing away at the plight of hundreds of Samoan women forced into prostitution by poverty.
      Just as he apparently blamed some tourists who were raped and bashed by a violent criminal who kept escaping from jail, for being in the wrong place (I. E. A tourist resort.)
      But I’m sure the PM is a good Christian. ….
      
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      January 15, 2018 11:55am
  - peterwn
    
    Note that there are two Samoas as a result of history (on different sides of the International Date Line as tweaked by Samoa several years ago). There is American Samoa (main airport at Pagopago) which is a USA territory. Its citizens are not proper USA citizens but appear along with USA citizens to have visa free entry to NZ. Samoa (previously called Western Samoa) is an independent nation with historic ties to NZ but its citizens need visas to visit NZ (but not vice versa).
    In this contest alleged violence among Samoans is not really relevant since the person concerned was of foreign parents and would have spent little time in American Samoa.
    The person concerned might have been eligible for American Samoan citizenship (but not USA citizenship) but even then would have found that NZ citizenship (which seemed to be available in his case) was probably easier to obtain and conferred more benefits than American Samoan citizenship.
    
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    January 15, 2018 10:46am
  - kaykaybee
    
    Had a tenant who worked in a senior capacity at Middlemore Hospital in Social Work. She said she’d worked in some serious Northern British hell holes of poverty, third world migration and unemployment, but never seen anything like the violence against women and children meted out by Islanders…never.
    
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    January 15, 2018 11:18am
    - GoVege
      
      I heard once that Pacific Islanders are reckoned to be probably the most violent in the world.
      In Samoa, they call it “Samoan madness.”
      Our leaders need to demand that they do something about their child raising habits before allowing hundreds of violent men (and a few women) into our country every year.
      Perhaps we need a refugee quota for women and children escaping violent men in the Islands?
      
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      January 15, 2018 11:49am
      - Inandout
        
        Where would a strict Samoan father be without the good old piece of 4×2 timber?
        
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        January 15, 2018 12:00pm
      - GoVege
        
        Inandout: I hear they prefer the Samoan cricket bat: easier to wield and packs a more powerful punch.
        A Samoan nephew of mine once recounted how he was at his uncle’s church in Australia when uncle (the minister) started to beat his son with one of these massive bats….in front of the congregation.
        The son was obviously used to such beatings so he head-butted dad to get away.
        They only choose the best men to be ministers in the Islands. 🙂
        
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        January 15, 2018 2:32pm
      - GoVege
        
        I had a beautiful gentle golden retriever for 14 years.
        When I first got her, I couldn’t take her to a male vet, no matter how nice they were, because she’d tremble in fear the entire time.
        I only heard her growl once in 14 years.
        We were parked in Otara and there were two big brown guys outside the car.
        Another little dog I had long before that, used to step off the pavement onto the road if we passed big brown blokes.
        
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        January 15, 2018 5:10pm
      - GoVege
        
        I’m not saying all big brown blokes are brutes.
        I’ve known some who wouldn’t hurt a fly.
        But violence. …and extreme violence. …is very much a part of Polynesian culture.
        
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        January 15, 2018 5:13pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  If we had not given him citizenship, the Aussies would never have had to let him stay there in the first place and numerous Australians would never have become victims of his crimes. So I don’t think they should “just put up with it”. They’ve already had to put up with enough as a consequence of our mistake.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:21am
  - peterwn
    
    His parents were Australians (presumably Australian citizens) and it seemed by a quirk of nature he was born outside Australia and he and his parents soon returned to Australia. The Australian authorities should try to deport him to American Samoa (his birthplace), and if that fails not try to burden NZ with this.
    
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    January 15, 2018 1:54pm
- cmm
  
  You don’t have to get a passport to be a citizen of the country.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:29am
  - ztev
    
    Likely one or both of his parents were NZ citizens by descent which they have passed onto him.
    They may have taken Australian citizenship later but after he was born.
    
    Its important for parents who apply for citizenship include their children in their application as they retain your previous citizenship.
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:51am
    - peterwn
      
      Possibly, there is insufficient information out there, and it is difficult to ascertain the situation in the circumstances. He may have been eligible for NZ citizenship at the time of applying for a NZ passport but not know.
      
      cmm – Agreed you do not need to get a passport to be deemed a ‘citizen’ , but rules can change. However once you assert citizenship by applying for a certificate of citizenship or a passport you would generally be immune to rule changes, although some people in UK have not had UK passports renewed on the grounds they should not have received them in the first plave.
      
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      January 15, 2018 2:05pm
- KevOB
  
  Occasionally law trips over sense. Where nationality, domicile, citizenship, residency are determined by rules with discretion as a backstop strange outcomes may be expected.
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:02am
David Garrett

peterwn: My daughter – born in Tonga – became a New Zealand citizen by descent before she had ever been here. I thought you were one of the brethren?

And nope…the Aussies have every right to (lawfully) get rid of whoever they like who isn’t a citizen…we should follow their lead, and swiftly repatriate any “Imam” who preaches hate.
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January 15, 2018 8:33am
- pdm
  
  DG – ditto for one of our daughters born in Suva.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:42am
- igm
  
  Crockery would not deport an Imam, they are her voting base for Islam. Cannot await the day when she and her ilk are directly affected by the actions of these rug pilots.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:49am
  - ztev
    
    Iman spoke quite a while back, national didnt deport him either.
    
    The video , Im thinking, comes from the SIS who keep an eye on these things with paid informers
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:53am
    - David Garrett
      
      Ztev: I don’t give a flying fuck how the SIS “keeps an eye” on Muslims…so long as they DO.
      
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      January 15, 2018 10:40am
- MCos
  
  Or anybody who preaches ‘hate’.
  The problem then becomes how to define hate. There are people on this very forum who sail very close to the wind at times. Of course they don’t think so, but it’s nota concept that usually cut and dry.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:21am
- peterwn
  
  This is my own situation. I got a NZ passport on the strength of my British birth certificate, my father’s NZ birth certificate and British marriage certificate. Requirements have changed slightly – it seems you now need to apply for a NZ ‘certificate of citizenship’ as a pre-requisite to obtaining a NZ passport or exercising rights of NZ citizenship.
  I am generally supportive of Australia’s stance on crims of foreign citizenship but I think this instance on the facts available goes one step too far. It seems to me that the Australian authorities are relying on some technical hitch (eg failure of the parents to ‘register’ the child’s birth in Australia). The person is basically Australian by descent and the Australian authorities should leave it at that rather than relying on the person happening to have NZ citizenship (which may not have been properly obtained anyway).
  The NZ Government should simply cancel the person’s NZ passport – I doubt the person would object.
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:02am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Or doesn’t.
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:36am
- billmurray
  
  David Garrett.
  Well said.
  
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  January 15, 2018 2:11pm
dime

i love the left. constant source of entertainment.

some woman on cnn was asked if she would prefer to live in Haiti or Norway…

she said she couldnt say HAHAHAHAHAHA

i would also struggle. would dime move to the voodoo shit hole with an average income of $700 a year or norway, with about 70k US on average.

id say norway…

the other thing haiti has against it is the influx of refugees. people wanting a better life and moving there BAHAHAHAHAHAHA

the other thing that made me laugh – the balls on the clintons to mention haiti. after they stole all their money. sociopaths.
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January 15, 2018 8:45am
- flipper
  
  Can we not send Ardern, Peters and their clans to Haiti? I would happily pay part o0 the cost.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:14am
  - David Garrett
    
    flipper: Pay part of the cost?? I’d take them on my boat! (If it had that range, even with auxiliary tanks)
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:18am
    - RalphT
      
      Even better if it didn’t have the range. Let them take the boat (we don’t want to lose you DG) and with any luck they’ll get lost at sea. Shouldn’t be hard, as they’re all at sea here.
      
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      January 15, 2018 9:32am
      - igm
        
        Make sure they take ztrev of viagra fame with them.
        
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        January 15, 2018 11:56am
    - G152
      
      Sort of a reverse boat people thing.
      From quality to slums..
      🙂
      
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      January 15, 2018 11:21am
- MCos
  
  Having looked at this comment I checked to see what expats say about living in Haiti.
  Fantastic weather & beaches.
  Shocking politics.
  Pretty good chance you won’t last five minutes, depending on your outlook.
  Couldn’t be a bigger contrast to Norway.
  Personally, if it up to me I’d stay in NZ.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:46am
- Huevon
  
  Maybe we should ask the Whites in Haiti for their opinion? Oh, that’s right. They were all murdered in a racial genocide during the Haitian Revolution. Does that meet any of the criteria of “shithole”?
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:53am
  - ztev
    
    have you not asked why black africans are doing in haiti in the first place ?
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:55am
    - Huevon
      
      Yeah. Slavery, mass murder. Remind me why that doesn’t make the place a shithole?
      
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      January 15, 2018 10:09am
    - Inandout
      
      Your good old Arab slave dealers rounded them up from African villages ztev, that is how they ended up in Haiti.
      
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      January 15, 2018 12:03pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Inandout , False ! European counties like France , Britain , Portugal and Spain controlled the West African slave trade where the vast majority of African slaves came from .,
        
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        January 15, 2018 12:37pm
      - realityczech
        
        stuuuuuuuuuuuuuupidboy, the African slave trade was centuries old before YT set foot on the dark continent.
        
        When YT turned up the Africans, in a rare display of business acumen, saw it as an opportunity to expand the market.
        
        This turned out to be a mistake because shortly after YT decided slavery was a bad thing and tried to ban it. YT’s idea was very novel and never caught on in non white countries.
        
        Slavery is still very much alive among black Africans to this day.
        
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        January 15, 2018 12:42pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Particularly and specifically Muslim Africans.
        
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        January 15, 2018 1:32pm
      - realityczech
        
        Don the bigot zionist – Yes they got that from the Jew. Along with their terrible religion, based on the writings of the Jew. Do you know the Jew came from Africa, at least that is what the Jews claim? but they do lie a lot.
        
        The Jew was at the forefront of the modern slave trade, which is understandable, as they regard goy as being on the level of cattle.
        
        http://www.rense.com/general69/invo.htm
        
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        January 15, 2018 7:10pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Both sides fought with great brutality in the Haitian revolution, and life as a pre-revolution slave was extremely brutal. After the revolution, most Haitians still experienced brutal conditions of serfdom.
    
    Part of Haiti’s tragedy is that, under the threat of the violent reimposition of French rule, independent Haiti agreed to reimburse former slave holders for their losses, but had to borrow money at interest from French banks to do so. IIRC, Haiti didn’t finish the repayments until 1947!
    
    How much this has contributed to Haiti’s current state of shitholiness, I don’t know, but obviously this money was consequently not available for investment in economic development.
    
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    January 15, 2018 3:01pm
- James Stephenson
  
  It have you seen the price of booze in Oslo? i might take sunshine, beaches and cheap rum…
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:53am
  - MCos
    
    Looks like they have two seasons on Norway.
    Winter and ultra winter
    
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    January 15, 2018 11:10am
  - GazzaW
    
    It’s due to the extremely high taxes on booze in Norway just as NZ has with cigarettes. Strangely enough booze outlets aren’t the targets of violent young crims in Norway.
    
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    January 15, 2018 1:43pm
    - freethinker
      
      Probably due to a lack of Maori & PI’s.
      
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      January 15, 2018 2:06pm
      - Digmen1
        
        Defintely.
        
        Why did we allow those PI immigrants?
        
        Thanks David (Lange)
        
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        January 15, 2018 3:32pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Digmen1 1, Wrong ! PIs have been allowed here because the former countries were either NZ protectorates or directly governed from NZ . This was long, long before David Lange came along to the scene .
        
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        January 15, 2018 3:39pm
G152

Sunday we had the lefts view of Australian history as a series of riots where those naughty returned soldiers from the First World War wanted their Australia and not some foreigners idea of Australia.
Some communist stirrer waved his flag and ended up being deported to Russia where he was executed as a spy.
Be good if people making these videos declared their biases before the video start
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January 15, 2018 9:06am
- Inandout
  
  No mention of the recent African riots in Melbourne?
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:35am
  - G152
    
    Oh that’ll probably be next week
    
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    January 15, 2018 11:23am
- stephieboy
  
  G152, you are aware that Soviet Communism collapsed in 1991 and the Chinese version ,though still one only in name ,is a far more capitalist and market version of the same ?
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:39am
- stephieboy
  
  G152 , most of the so called race riots ( many were ethnic tensions and conflicts ) stem from the self delusion that for many white Australians the country was for whites only .
  
  https://theconversation.com/the-nine-race-riots-that-made-australia-for-better-and-worse-35814
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:52am
  - Manolo
    
    Are you mad, stephieboy?
    I visited Melbourne and saw the mess the African gangs are creating. Third World.
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, extensive fact finding trip from a deluded Birther and Trumpeter .
      
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      January 15, 2018 12:39pm
stephieboy

Norway to Trump: ‘Thanks, but no thanks’

“…Norwegians are rejecting a suggestion by US President Donald Trump that they would be more welcome to move to the United States than immigrants from “shithole countries” such as Haiti or African nations.

The Nordic country, one of the richest in the world by GDP per capita, was last year named the happiest nation on the planet and is known for a cradle-to-grave welfare state funded in part by large reserves of oil and natural gas.

Mr Trump mentioned Norway in derogatory comments about other countries of migration as US senators briefed him on Thursday on a newly drafted bipartisan immigration bill, according to two sources who asked not to be identified….”

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2018/01/norway-to-trump-thanks-but-no-thanks.html
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January 15, 2018 9:34am
- dime
  
  wow! every single dude from norway said they wouldnt move to the US. amazing
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:37am
- Harkman
  
  SB I accidentally gave you a thumbs up, sorry fat fingers. Won’t ever happen again.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:49am
- UpandComer
  
  There are over 4.5 million Norwegians in America after a former socialist government instituted price controls and a grain monolopy that caused starvation and famine.
  
  They are a Petro state. Once the petrol runs out, theyre done.
  
  Liberals are cancer.
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:14am
  - Jack5
    
    UpandComer: the Norwegians have siphoned so much of the oil money into the world’s biggest sovereign fund, they will not be broke for generations.
    
    The present value of the fund (called the Norwegian Government Pension Fund Global) is 1.4718 trillion NZ dollars.
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:58pm
    - GazzaW
      
      The Norwegian oil company, Statoil is actively involved in oil exploration in NZ waters amongst other regions. The likelihood of Norway suffering a deficit in petrodollars in our lifetime is minimal.
      
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      January 15, 2018 1:53pm
    - UpandComer
      
      There is no sum of money that can withstand unfettered migration into a welfare state. No sum of money.
      
      Give them time – they will run out of money.
      
      I’m not saying Norway isn’t a great country, don’t get me wrong – just that they aren’t immune to bad economics historically and 4.5million Norwegian Americans is testament to that.
      
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      January 15, 2018 3:03pm
  - freethinker
    
    They have Hydro Power and lots of it – Aluminium and Electricity exports come to mind.
    
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    January 15, 2018 2:13pm
    - GazzaW
      
      The Norwegians have just launched two hybrid 500 passenger cruise liners with two more building. For a small country (just a little larger than NZ) Norway is very technologically advanced.
      
      As I understand it Norway does not have open slather immigration and once there immigrants a now subject to some fairly stringent regulation.
      
      There may well be 4.5 million Americans of Norwegian extraction but I’ll guarantee that emigration happened well prior to the discovery of oil and gas.
      
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      January 15, 2018 4:19pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Norway to Trump: ‘Thanks, but no thanks’
  
  Sounds like Norwegians don’t want to move to the US because their own country isn’t a shithole.
  
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  January 15, 2018 12:37pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I spent the New Year tending to my dying 19yr old cat.
A couple of days after I’d interred him and plopped a kaffir-lime shrub atop, 3 little kittens poked their heads out from under our house.
Now they are not Ptolemy’s babies, for he had his op when 3 months old…. neither are they the babies of my other 2 cats (another 19yr old and an 8yr old).
They are either offspring of the wild/feral cats that inhabit Kaiti Hill or they are dumped domestics from the ferals that inhabit my ghetto.
Because I am a sucka, I can’t let the little beasties starve, but I am not willing to take on the long-term care of young cats…so I am trying to get them tame enough that some other sucka will take them on, otherwise they will have to be put down.
Any other options?
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January 15, 2018 9:34am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, take some pix of them and put therm on Trade Me under pets for sale or in your local newspaper .Or a notice at your local vet .
  
  19 years of age is quite a milestone for your cat . Sad
  
  PS Our 10 year old cat was attacked by a dog in September and had to be putdown
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:43am
  - tf78
    
    Stephieboy – Our 14 year old cat attacked our 3 year old lab!
    
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    January 15, 2018 11:12am
    - Gabby
      
      Did your lab have to be put down?
      
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      January 15, 2018 2:43pm
      - tf78
        
        Fortunately not, but it was pretty vicious. I am sorry for the cat and the owner that was attacked by the dog. it’s awful having to have a pet put down under any circumstances, but an attack would be much more traumatic for all involved. My condolences.
        
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        January 15, 2018 4:43pm
  - GoVege
    
    Sorry to hear that, SB.
    My mum adopted a cat who’s tail had been chopped off by a local sadist.
    Then one day she found a trail of fur to where some bastard had let his dog attack him and he was killed by a car.
    The same area where a toddler was killed by a punch in the stomach.
    Sadistic jerks pick on all species.
    
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    January 15, 2018 3:13pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Maggy.
  Ring Mr Chang at the local Chinese Takeaway as they have a 24hr “pet rescue service”.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:54am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Thank you S & S, but I think I’ll follow up Stephieboy’s suggestion and post pics at the local vets.
    
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    January 15, 2018 10:01am
  - stephieboy
    
    S & R , what do you expect from an alt righter . Nothing more than the infantile .
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:41pm
    - softail 1450
      
      streppieboy has changed his tactics in search of a few upticks , good on you strepp it feels better than a continual bombardment of down ticks doesn’t it?
      now have a cup of tea and get back to your usual down ticked googled B/S.
      
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      January 15, 2018 12:48pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Posters like you are easy to downtick, unhinged as they are and divorced from reality, as most Trump supporters are .
        
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        January 15, 2018 1:02pm
      - Gabby
        
        You get your dick caught in your girlybikechain again softcock 14yo?
        
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        January 15, 2018 2:45pm
  - GoVege
    
    I once advertised for homes for kittens and got a guy with a Chinese accent wanting “small cats”.
    Be very careful giving away kittens to young fellas.
    Some creeps like to feed kittens to dogs to improve their fighting skills.
    
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    January 15, 2018 3:17pm
- KevOB
  
  A lot of handling as young kittens will tame most ferals for rehoming. A good way for that is school fairs. Charge $2/ea and provide a sturdy paper bag for someone to take the kitten home.
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:07am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Yes and the delight when the paper bag contents are shown to the parents!
    
    For everything else, there is MasterCard.
    
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    January 15, 2018 10:27am
    - KevOB
      
      Those who have to pay for a kitten want it. You can’t give them away but you can sell sell them in the street!
      
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      January 15, 2018 11:06am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Make sure the bag has holes in it, in case they want to drown it on the way home. 😉
    
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    January 15, 2018 10:44am
- Rachael Membery
  
  You will come to love them.
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:40am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Noooooooooo!!!!!
    
    My love can only stretch to 1 adorable 8 yr-old rag-doll cat (dumped on me by migrating daughter).
    Duty extends to the fat, arthritic, less-than-adorable 19 year-old cat (which also belonged to decamped dgtr) and a pekin duck that has made itself at home in our garden pond.
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:13pm
    - mara
      
      Totally cool having a pekin duck making itself at home in the garden pond. Love it. My only bird/pool experience is kingfishers occasionally flying off with my goldfish.
      There are resident kingfishers nearby and their baby birds gotta eat. Meh.
      
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      January 15, 2018 3:30pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Pass them onto the Cats Protection League Maggy, if you have those lovely nutty cat women in Gisborne. They care for and house cats.
  I once contacted the SPCA when previous tenants abandoned their oddball cat. The SPCA’s response was “can’t you keep him”. In the end that’s what happened despite our cat not being in favour of the idea. ?
  
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  January 15, 2018 1:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    hahaha..
    
    I’m not a fan of SPCA wrt to cats. (or dogs)
    19 years ago, one of their silly ladies wouldn’t allow me to have a couple of their kittens, because I had children in the house!
    So the kids got Ptolemy and Cleopatra from a pet store instead… and managed to look after them fine.
    
    A lovely lady from “Mutts & Moggies” (charitable trust that arranges care for some animals) came out to look at the kittens on Friday… but the buggas had disappeared overnight and didn’t come back ’til late in the afternoon.
    “M&M” doesn’t organise rehousing of kittens… just desexing for low-income families.
    I’m sure I can stretch hubby’s pension to a few snips for the kittycats.
    
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    January 15, 2018 3:44pm
- journo
  
  Hi Maggy:
  I live just along the road from you and would love to share home with a cat again. However, being in an apartment on the top floor of the Emerald it’s just not possible….well possible maybe but not fair to the cat.
  I’ve asked around the Emerald team and one has referred me to Gisborne Pet Adoption & Rescue – accessible on Facebook. They work closely with the vets up Gladstone Rd opposite Pak ‘n’ Save.
  
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  January 15, 2018 2:49pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Tx, I’ll check out all the vets (we use the Ormond Rd/Ballance St Village ones)… and Animates, when the kittens are big enough to be desexed.
    
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    January 15, 2018 3:30pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Good luck with the kittens Maggy. Get rid before you get attached.
      I swore off any more after my old cat died but “inherited” another one!
      
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      January 15, 2018 4:38pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Maggy I think Cindy would like a kitty to replace the moggy that got run over.
      
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      January 15, 2018 9:33pm
Manolo

The bureaucrat responsible for this monumental blunder should be sent to Siberia.
http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/37259684/ballistic-missile-threat-alert-sent-to-hawaii-phones-was-a-mistake
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January 15, 2018 9:44am
- GazzaW
  
  I’m not sure that the US Government can send miscreants to Siberia but Alaska would be a good substitute.
  
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  January 15, 2018 1:59pm
- Paulus
  
  Sadly am disappointed with the Hawaiian ballistic blunder where people panicked at the announcement.
  It would appear that the media have over recent times cried wolf in the anti Trump outpouring, without giving any thought to the possibility or inability for such action.
  Do people really believe as the media would have it that fatty Kim would unilaterally attack anybody with a nuclear weapon, with the full knowledge that that North Korea would be destroyed almost entirely.
  Or are we really to believe as the media would have us that Trump would make any first move.
  I know that we are led to believe that Trump is mad – as it suits the media and the world left wing.
  Were I there I am not sure what I would have believed but common sense would have prevailed very quickly.
  Human nature SNAFU – have another cocktail and get on with the real things of life not imaginary nuclear strikes.
  
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  January 15, 2018 2:11pm
EAD_TWO

After watching this offensive, abomination of an advert I’ve cancelled my Netflix subscription. The advert is blatant, wall start to beginning promotion of open relationships, swinging, miscegenation and literal; cuckolding. It is literally sick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS08cWZrlQA

The great thing though is reading the comments section. It is very heartening that people are waking up to the agenda and can see straight through it. The level of awareness gives me hope that all is not lost as people wake up.

As an example, the ratio of likes to dislikes is 1:18 and with 1.8k comments the top comment is:

“(((WHO))) made this about (((open relationships))) and (((interracial))) and (((cuckolding)))

followed by
– “I wonder (((who))) came up with this idea?”
– Oy vey, I wonder who could be behind this post?
– Awesome. Keept it comin. As more of these sexual engineering adverts reach Euro-Westerners, more will simply leave TV land altogether. That means we are finally going to start organizing again. And everyone knows what that means…
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January 15, 2018 9:45am
- EAD_TWO
  
  And if you’re wondering who made the advert for Marc Randolphs Netflix, it is no surprise to see the background of the maker, Yuri Baranovsky.
  
  For those not aware, Marc Randolph is of course a direct descendant of that other great Marxist Nation wrecker – psychoanalysis pioneer Sigmund Freud who began the revolution of the destruction of traditional family, education, art, sexual mores, religion and other key cultural and national institutions
  
  http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/the-hidden-persuaders.html
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:53am
- stephieboy
  
  EADTWO , so with your agenda interracial marriage and defacto marriage will be forbidden ?
  
  Inter ethnic marriage and relationships also ?
  
  Tattoos too ?
  
  What eles ?
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:58am
  - realityczech
    
    “What eles ?”
    
    With any luck – morons like you stupidboy.
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:30pm
- ztev
  
  Ever used the off switch ?
  
  Netflix system means you only watch what you want when you want…
  What version do you have or is it all too hard…
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:59am
  - Harkman
    
    I reckon that Trevor Mallard is a complete moron.
    
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    January 15, 2018 10:53am
    - softail 1450
      
      Harkman ,very little chance of copping any down ticks on that post Harkman.
      
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      January 15, 2018 12:51pm
      - freethinker
        
        Stupidaboy & Ztez clearly have.
        
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        January 15, 2018 2:19pm
      - GazzaW
        
        ….and add gobby if he’s back from Scout camp and a KBer who downticked in error.
        
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        January 15, 2018 4:05pm
- UpandComer
  
  EAD you’re right, but don’t worry about the miscegenation part. It’s not inherently a problem.
  
  Highlight the other elements.
  
  This is pretty funny:
  
  https://media.netflix.com/en/press-releases/a-single-mom-raises-her-superhero-son-in-the-groundbreaking-raising-dion-coming-to-netflix
  
  Powerful.
  
  Be the magical super-hero off-spring of a single mum! Nothing is more magical.
  
  Unfortunately, not everyone can be John Key.
  
  I can’t find the other one – I think it was called “SILF” single mother I’d like to… yeah.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMILF
  
  Wait there it is. ‘SMILF’ – ah yes, Rosie O’Donnell, stars as the mother of our intrepid single mother, Bridgette, played by Frankie Shaw – who created, wrote and directed the flick.
  
  She makes single motherhood sexy.
  
  I admire Ms Shaw’s technical talent (assuming this was even written by her – I have a sneaky suspicion a berg might have ‘co-wrote’ it) but all the ‘cultural poetics’ semiotics is starting to get so blatant people are starting to respond.
  
  I never would have imagined partially agreeing with EAD a few years ago – but it’s so blatant now.
  
  Nothing says ‘Powerful’ like shows that promote and facilitate single motherhood.
  
  You have to listen to the shows where Stefan Molyneux, who was the child of a single mother, takes calls from men and women who were the same and they pour their hearts out about just how awful, how hard, how dysfunctional, and how emotionally, psychologically and spiritually destroying it was growing up in a single mother welfare house-hold.
  
  There is literally nothing, nothing, more toxic and more damaging at a societal level then growing up in a single mother household, beyond the severest outright abuse or neglect.
  
  You can be physically or mentally afflicted, you can be dirt poor, you can live in a country torn apart by war or a corrupt political system, and you still will score better on tests of well-being and EQ then a single mother house-hold in a first world country.
  
  Of course what EAD is referring to are the statistical realities of the liklihood of single mother-hood and domestic violence based on certain relationship pairings.
  
  That is unavoidable. Can’t judge an individual by an aggregate, but you can validly question endless propaganda acting like those statistics don’t exist and aren’t an issue.
  
  Holy shit some of the calls that Stefan takes makes your blood boil.
  
  All praise the welfare state and the destruction of the family. It’s not theory now, new generation Zyklon is living the fruits of the Boomer’s ‘pluralism’ in these matters. Empirical lessons are being learned, and conclusions being drawn. No more cultural lying down.
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:52am
  - stephieboy
    
    Up and Comer ,
    
    Stefan Molyneux carries a lot of alt right and conspiracy theory junk baggage with him ,
    
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux.
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:43pm
    - UpandComer
      
      Of course rational wiki says that.
      
      Wikipedia can’t be trusted on anything political.
      
      Rationalwiki is even worse then Wikipedia.
      
      Read about the guy who started Rationalwiki and his role in Gamergate.
      
      Use Infogalactic.
      
      All Stefan does is cite statistics then opine on them.
      
      Anything that is different to CNN is labelled a ‘conspiracy theory’.
      
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      January 15, 2018 12:57pm
    - Harkman
      
      Conspiracy theory, kind of like the one about how Hilldogs lost the election because she spent all her time in Arizona and North Carolina (safe Republican seats) instead of campaigning in the rust belt, suddenly being turned into Russia rigging the election. People who believe that conspiracy are batsh*t crazy.
      
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      January 15, 2018 1:37pm
- realityczech
  
  EAD, I am a race-mixer from way back and you don’t scare me at all 🙂
  
  In fact I find many immigrants have more sensible and conservative views that those born here and want to see the NZ way of life preserved.
  
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  January 15, 2018 12:34pm
  - UpandComer
    
    That’s true.
    
    America and Australia aren’t NZ – out institutions are a lot better.
    
    The weakness of skepticism is that it can just be the result of laziness.
    
    I rant a bit much here, but it’s really in relation to Australia and America, and a response to the one-sided discourse on these matters in popular media.
    
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    January 15, 2018 1:04pm
Manolo

The Argentinian socialist keeps droning on:
https://apnews.com/ab9e287a72d744dd921bd1b68928f04e

Pope Francis has defined hostility and rejection of refugees and migrants as sin, encouraging people to overcome their “fully comprehensible” fears that these new arrivals might “disturb the established order” of local communities.
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January 15, 2018 9:52am
- UpandComer
  
  Pope Francis is a real challenge to theology, because I don’t know where his Catholic starts and his communism begins.
  
  This kind of thing doesn’t really inspired faith:
  
  amp/s/nypost.com/2017/07/05/vatican-cops-bust-drug-fueled-gay-orgy-at-cardinals-apartment/amp/
  
  Is there anything the Rainbow lobby haven’t ruined or aren’t ruining.
  
  Apologies. I know I can be a drag. Just so tired of seeing all this swept under the rug. Maybe I should join them. Then I might be able to get a promotion.
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:22am
- BananaLlama
  
  Unfortunately as a Roman Catholic i was told that i would have to follow the popes instructions, they never specified which one though, this is why Pope Urban the second is my spirit animal.
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:49am
UpandComer

film/news/eliza-dushku-molested-stunt-coordinator-joel-kramer-1202663967/

Here is a challenge. Name someone in Hollywood not named Taika Waititi who isn’t a pedophil e. ‘Kramer’ – every. Time.

I wonder when Spielberg and the other more senior Bergs are going to get theirs.
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January 15, 2018 10:12am
- Harkman
  
  At this rate there will be no men left in Hollywood, but very few, if any actresses are worth going to see. This could actually be an implosion.
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:41am
dime

average IQ in haiti. 67.

that may have something to do with the reason its a shit hole.

also, there is no proof trump even said “shit holes”. it amkes me happy to think that he may have though
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January 15, 2018 10:25am
- softail 1450
  
  dime, the US has become so mired in PC that even telling the truth (and everybody knows it factual) will have the filthy MSM down on you like a ton of bricks .
  the great thing about trump is he doesn’t give 2fucks what CNN etc thinks ,it must be driving the lefties to contemplating suicide rather than endure 7 more years of their new administration ….LOL.
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:00am
- BananaLlama
  
  And our Prime minister was happy to jump on that and comment and start virtue signaling as though it was reality. If it comes out as false do you think she will go on TV and apologise? thats twice now she has engaged in fake news with the President of the United States. Lets see if the right wing in this country have enough balls to call her out on her lies.
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:01am
  - dime
    
    no chance. the nz “right” doesnt like trump.
    
    even dpf wanted hillary as president.
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:07pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Same as TV 1 News – twice now, have shown their ‘shock and disdain’ at Trump’s non-words.
    
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    January 15, 2018 1:42pm
- doggone7
  
  There is no proof Trump even said “shit holes” other than some reputables who were there saying he did.
  
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  January 15, 2018 2:55pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Reputables ???
    
    Batshit crazy Dems who are diametrically opposed to Trump?.
    Durbin and others ? Reputable? you gotta be joking.
    
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    January 15, 2018 5:29pm
BeaB

James Shaw thinks we will give silly answers in the census.
I think he is the silly one – clinging desperately to Metiria, booting out two of his best MP’s and now besotted with Golly G who, if she had been National, would have been hounded out of Parliament for her shameful past and her lies about it.
Silly man in a silly party.
Not even principled any more now they are supporting the waka jumping bill and the Kill (Grandma) Bill.
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January 15, 2018 10:31am
- Harkman
  
  Here comes the transgender takeover.
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:42am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I wonder whose idea the beard was, after all Guy Williams has one too…
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:18am
  - RF
    
    The boy child grew his beard to make him look like an adult when carrying out his whip duties.
    
    That was a major fail as he was still ignored.
    
    Maybe the green males could borrow the gaymans almond nuts as that will be the closest to them having balls.
    
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    January 15, 2018 2:01pm
- Mobile Michael
  
  I answer my census fully and truthfully.
  
  Q. How did you travel to work today?
  A. If you are interested in planning for traffic, public transport, cycling and other modes of transport a self-reported snapshot is a poor tool to achieve this. I suggest using equipment to monitor various options over time to obtain a true picture.
  
  Q. What is your income?
  A. This information is already held by another Government agency. Please refer to them. You may find it easier to collect this information by requesting anonymised data overlaid against home address data held by IRD.
  
  And so on. Four Censuses, no issues.
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:29am
  - softail 1450
    
    M M,I just don’t fill it in when they come to pick it up I simply say “I’m not doing it ” nothing has ever happened to me , no sort of follow up at all????
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:41pm
Mobile Michael

Where’s the petition and social media outrage against a 2017 Green Party candidate hosting a morning news show, conducting political interviews?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11975304
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January 15, 2018 10:43am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Maybe Holt could start her new role with an interview of Ben Shapiro. The blood diluted with SJW tears on the floor would be hugely entertaining.
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:05am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Have long since given up watching TV1 Breakfast, and with Hilary Barry now moving to the 7pm slot on TV1 as joint host of 7Sharp, that will be 2 more viewers TV1 will lose. As silly as Toni Street could be at least she had Mike to balance her out and 7Sharp was tolerable some of the time.
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:21pm
    - Harkman
      
      Hi waikatogirl, you’re bang the mark with that call. Local TV is getting really bad, actually cringeworthy and now worse. Reruns of Nigella or home makeovers are more stimulating than Street or Barry, and those shows are a tad mundane.
      
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      January 15, 2018 1:48pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Tad mundane Harkman, downright immature effort sometimes. Where is the indepth investigative news these days?
        
        Vomit inducing attempting to watch TV3 at 7pm. What a bunch of lefty pains their hosts are!
        
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        January 15, 2018 4:46pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Waikatogirl , what would alt right “ investigative “ news look like?
        
        https://antialtright.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/altright.jpg
        
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        January 15, 2018 4:56pm
- Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
  
  It’s different when we do it.
  Back to work Pleb.
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:14am
- Keeping Stock
  
  My self-imposed exile from breakfast television is not going to end any time soon.
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:19am
  - G152
    
    Anything on NZ TV news no matter which channel is fake news.
    Always an anti Trump article that is the major part of that news.
    Those subeditors behind the scenes need to be fired and new subbies with at least a nonobvious bias brought in.
    And stop running as a CNN repeat
    
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    January 15, 2018 11:35am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Watched the movie “Spotlight” last night on investigative reporters for the Boston Globe uncovering the huge nest of paedophile priests protected by the Catholic church.
      Now that is journalism as it used to be done.
      
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      January 15, 2018 12:26pm
    - stephieboy
      
      G152 .
      “Anything on NZ TV news no matter which channel is fake news.”
      
      Examples ?
      
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      January 15, 2018 12:48pm
      - G152
        
        6 oclock tonight suit you.
        The BS stars around 1801
        
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        January 15, 2018 1:25pm
    - doggone7
      
      If you seriously think everything on NZ TV news no matter which channel is fake news, you need to get a new TV.
      
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      January 15, 2018 2:58pm
- Longknives
  
  Hayley Holt gets TV Breakfast show only a few days after Gemma McCaw is announced as Sky’s new presenter.
  
  I think this sends a pretty disappointing message to young females that if you want a Media career- Shack up with an All Black…
  
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  January 15, 2018 11:55am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Interesting also that we now have monotone female ex-cricketers boring us all with state the obvious comments during the internationals while a genuinely good commentator in Rikki Swannel languishes in the domestic T20
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:12pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Rikki Swannel has deservedly been appointed a play-by-play commentator for Super Rugby this season. She has an excellent sporting knowledge, and will be an asset to Sky TV.
      
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      January 15, 2018 12:57pm
      - MT_Tinman
        
        Swannel disgraced herself recently over Veitch and should never be permitted on any sort of public communication media again.
        
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        January 15, 2018 1:21pm
- Harkman
  
  So Holt, a Greeny plus Jack Tame a Greeny, with a politically correct streak and a token brown guy. I think the token brown guy will be the smartest guy in the room.
  
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  January 15, 2018 1:59pm
I've been to Mecca and you have not!

… and it all started with the legitimization of theft in the form of the behemoth Welfare State.
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January 15, 2018 10:46am
BeaB

Revealing that the media are falling over themselves to explain how wrong and dumb Trump is about the new US embassy in the UK and that it was decided under George W.
But no background at all to his Jerusalem decision which they allowed us to think came out of the blue (or his crazed mind) when in fact it has been US policy since about 1995 when Congress passed a bill that it was the capital of Israel.
In a way it’s a shame that news officially begins again 22 January on Radio NZ as weeks of Sky, CNN, Fox and BBC have been more than adequate.
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January 15, 2018 11:15am
- UpandComer
  
  I don’t care if Israel gets it’s Jerusalem capital, they’ve earned it, as long as it’s diaspora stops acting against the interests of it’s host democracies’ majority.
  
  Take Australia.
  
  First post in General Debate yesterday was whether or not the Australian constitution is unfair because it might require the renunciation of Israeli citizenship for parliamentary position.
  
  Well one of the reasons the founders of Australia’s constitution included that provision is this:
  
  https://www.nswjbd.org/Statement-on-Australian-Refugee-Policy/default.aspx
  
  That position contrasts heavily with the Australia plurality by a simply enormous margin that doesn’t want the boats to re-start from Indonesia and the endless problems that caused.
  
  But a minority does want the boats to re-start, and doesn’t apparently care about the problems it can off-load onto the general community and tax-payer.
  
  That is the policy of:
  
  https://dbs.bh.org.il/place/sydney
  
  Which makes up 0.4% of the population in Australia.
  
  https://www.google.nl/search?biw=1920&bih=900&ei=p8laWtPhLIPCwQK9_pHADg&q=How+much+of+the+population+of+Australia+are+jewish&oq=How+much+of+the+population+of+Australia+are+jewish&gs_l=psy-ab.3…10394.16321.0.16622.50.21.0.7.7.0.450.3653.3-4j5.9.0….0…1c.1.64.psy-ab..35.14.2864…0j0i67k1j0i22i30k1j33i22i29i30k1.0.55ku_3bsDuE
  
  Who also push, because this is just a fact of life at this stage, the anti-speech laws that would make racist the will of the majority:
  
  https://www.jewishnews.net.au/community-unites-for-18c/56000
  
  Again, that section 18C law is an Orwellian destruction of free speech in Australia. Those laws are an absolute disgrace, and a rort, and are against the interests of Australia. They are regularly applied with the utmost cynicism and they are never applied universally. They are fundamentally un-Australian.
  
  Australia shouldn’t have to destroy one of it’s fundamental rights in order to obey the will of 0.4% of the population who adhere to a very particular, peculiar and minority view on how the world works and should work.
  
  Ah, but anti-semitism is rising in Australia, so what’s the answer? Bring in hundreds of thousands of people brought up to be anti-semites from birth.
  
  (!?)
  
  The boats will re-start under Shorten, probably, and he will do a Canada on what tiny sliver of free speech remains in Australia.
  
  And this will effect us in New Zealand, because Australia is getting pretty full, and it’s pretty hard to get ahead if you aren’t a minority or already asset rich. The Boomers need their pensions, before they die, and leave Australia to be carved up amongst the Great East Asian Cooperative sphere and everyone else. The welfare state needs it’s largesse. So there will be people getting that free tertiary in NZ.
  
  The Australian tax-payer and communities are not a salve and a foil for 0.4% of the Australian populations ideas about the world and self-concepts. But when the Liberals lose the next election, it’s going to happen, and it will be a crap-shoot outside of those gated communities.
  
  And the IPA will say nothing, and the Turnbull arm of the Liberal party will say nothing, and The Australian will say nothing and the SMH will say nothing and it will all be a big mystery as to why the majority will is being ignored.
  
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  January 15, 2018 12:24pm
slightlyrighty

So Hillary Barry gets Seven Sharp, Hayley Holt, (a former Green candidate) gets the Breakfast Gig.

I have also noted the promotional advert for TV3s ‘The Project’ with its fawning over Jacinda Ardern.

I fear that the media in NZ is likely to fail it’s audience in holding the government of the day to account, and that there will be a lack of balance in Prime Time news coverage.
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January 15, 2018 12:18pm
- Harkman
  
  So if I set up Harkman TV, there might be viewers?
  
  I’ll just bitch about all the lefties on One and 3.
  
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  January 15, 2018 1:54pm
- doggone7
  
  The media in NZ likely to fail it’s audience in holding the government of the day to account?
  
  When the media in NZ tried to hold Bill English to account on some issues this site was one with people going spare about the bullying, biased, crappy, substandard media.
  
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  January 15, 2018 3:02pm
  - Happychappy
    
    So the media tried to hold Bill English to account, but did the media Winston Peters lap dog prove what they were trying to hold him to account for. I and many others don’t think so. Funny how they like to hold National to account and turn a blind eye to others including Peters.
    
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    January 15, 2018 3:51pm
Ross12

Really interesting about how the EU ( Dutch in particular) are stuffing the UK fishing grounds. Obviously Greenpeace and co. have been paid off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1_rHoDay7k
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January 15, 2018 12:28pm
Manolo

Speaking like a bleeding-heart progressive:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/other/donald-trumps-sthole-comments-hugely-offensive-ardern/ar-AAuFSB4

Jacinda Ardern says Donald Trump’s ‘s**thole’ comment was offensive, but has stopped short of calling the US President a racist.
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January 15, 2018 12:40pm
- Jack5
  
  The Hooerald report of Jacinderella’s radio chatter today includes this:
  
  She told Garner she wouldn’t let the President’s offensive language get in the way of New Zealand’s relationship with the US.
  
  “America always goes beyond one person. I’m mindful of that.”
  
  Jacinderella is extremely naive, or thick, or both. You don’t have to be Einstein to get a PR degree.
  
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  January 15, 2018 12:50pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack 5 ,
    
    “America always goes beyond one person. I’m mindful of that.”
    
    Astute observation . Of the kind Bill English and John Key’s would of made .More relevant than ever when it is quite obvious that the present President is rather mad .
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:56pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, I thought as is often the case Trumpeters like you defend the President claiming he never said any such thing .
  
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  January 15, 2018 12:50pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Do you have proof he said such a thing or are you just repeating lies. Edit: this is important because if it proves to be nothing but lies then it is the international left who are the ones being deeply offensive and owe President Trump an Apology.
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:51pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Bannal lama , fail to see what there is to apologise .Take a reality check . The POTUS is not a God !
      
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      January 15, 2018 12:58pm
      - BananaLlama
        
        Stephieboy. engage brain. provide evidence. stop spreading lies.
        
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        January 15, 2018 12:59pm
    - stephieboy
      
      BananaLlama,
      
      Donald Trump denies describing African nations, Haiti as ‘s…hole countries
      
      On Friday (Saturday NZT), Trump denied using that language, but a US senator insisted the president used the vulgar term “repeatedly”.
      Trump’s contemptuous description of an entire continent startled lawmakers in the meeting and immediately revived charges that the US president is racist. The White House did not deny his remark, but issued a statement saying Trump supports immigration policies that welcome “those who can contribute to our society”.
      
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/100548590/donald-trump-denies-describing-african-nations-haiti-as-shole-countries
      
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      January 15, 2018 1:12pm
      - freethinker
        
        Please identify the African Country that is not a shithole with evidence – the reason some many Africans want to leave their African shithole is they consider it to a be a shithole and then want to turn their host country into a similar shithole which is why Trump and many others in countries being turned into shitholes want to be rid of the shithole creators.
        
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        January 15, 2018 2:35pm
      - stephieboy
        
        freethinker , neither of them . Plenty of Tourists go there and plenty want to invest in Trumps so called “ shitholes “
        
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        January 15, 2018 3:44pm
      - Harkman
        
        Are you referring to the Clintons investing in Haiti? Ask the locals how that one worked out.
        
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        January 15, 2018 7:21pm
  - Manolo
    
    Indeed. Senator Durbin claims Trump did, but a couple of other senators deny it. That has not stopped the MSM from attacking the President.
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:58pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, refer above as at 1.12pm
      
      All President Trump was doing was thinking aloud what his supporters like you already think .
      
      No harm in that !
      
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      January 15, 2018 1:14pm
      - Manolo
        
        Absolutely. There is no harm in calling a shithole a shithole.
        
        Only the politically emasculated progressives can feel offended. By the way, did you take offense? 😀
        
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        January 15, 2018 1:33pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Not really as I appreciate that the President is decidedly mentally unwell.
        
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        January 15, 2018 2:33pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    When I heard what Trump said it upset me. I was only upset because it made me wish we had a PM here that thinks exactly the same thing.
    
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    January 15, 2018 12:59pm
    - freethinker
      
      Please do not associate the humanoid features and a large if empty head with an ability to think let alone in a pragmatic or logical way.
      
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      January 15, 2018 3:48pm
      - MrLovebucket
        
        She looks more like a horse than a humanoid.
        
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        January 15, 2018 7:00pm
MT_Tinman

A New Zealand Prime Minister is supposed to represent ALL of New Zealand not just a handful of wanna-be communist hangers-on.

Has anyone explained this to the harridan?
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January 15, 2018 12:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  MT Tinman , you had your chance in last year’s poll and failed
  Try again next time !
  
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  January 15, 2018 12:52pm
  - MT_Tinman
    
    stephiboy I realise you are both stupid and ignorant.
    
    You don’t need to prove it once again.
    
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    January 15, 2018 1:24pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hello. I didn’t vote for the selected, nor the selector. In fact it can be argued that at least 50% of the voters didn’t vote for those two ( or their Green clingons )However, we are stuck with this clusterfuck of losers until they get sick of each other. In the meantime I will carry on as if she does not exist.
    
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    January 15, 2018 4:59pm
KevOB

Stupid is as stupid does.
PM ardour takes on the USA because someone reported a closed door meeting. The speculative “report” was a breach of trust or a political dagger. What was said is denied.
Anti-everything is not smart. It will likely cost us trade opportunities.

More work to do here–like fixing the disparity between our All Blacks pay rates and the the Parihaka Womens Softball Team. Some heads needs bashing too.
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January 15, 2018 1:00pm
stephieboy

KevOB , like your Birther beliefs you spout absolute nonsense . A nonsense that most New Zealanders would agree and find lunatic fringe stuff ,
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January 15, 2018 1:17pm
- freethinker
  
  Judging by your upticks only Ztev and WOo agree with you so please return to any lunatic asylum and let us sane folk keep paying taxes for your upkeep.
  
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  January 15, 2018 3:55pm
Manolo

Another round of Trump vs the (il)liberal MSM:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/14/trump-attacks-wall-street-journal-as-fake-news-over-his-north-korea-comments.html

President Donald Trump on Sunday accused the Wall Street Journal of misreporting statements he made to the newspaper about his relationship with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, ripping the publication for reporting “fake news.”

In an article published on Thursday, the Journal reported that Trump signaled openness to diplomacy with North Korea, going so far as to say, “I probably have a very good relationship with Kim Jong Un.”

However, Trump disputed the Journal’s account, and accused the publication of intentionally misquoting him to generate a story.
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January 15, 2018 1:58pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/100422571/christchurch-citys-value-in-powerhouse-evaporates-further

“Councils have no business being in business.

The moment it was listed, they should have cashed up and got out. Thats what those with skin in the game do.

Council has loaded some of its companies (CCHL subsidiaries) up with debt to pay greater dividends. There is a history of companies doing this in the U.K. and then going bust.

The council is also acting as a bank. It gives out loans. I asked the Finincial Services Authority as to why the council didn’t have a banking licence. They jumped on them.

Council competes with me in the tourism market through Red Travel, Aaron Travel and Akaroa Shuttle, all of which they own. They get their capital from the ratepayer at no cost. I don’t. I have a capital cost.

Which all comes back to the council over taxing the ratepayer for years and years.

I would live to be the Mayor and sort all this out.” – Robin McCarthy

“Trouble is Petrus Labour gave the councils “the power of general competency”, which means they can do what they like.

They are acting, within their statutory role. Which is very scary.

The Local Government Act is a socialist piece of legislation, but don’t hold your breath that it will be amended by the current Government, (or any Government for that matter) as they just can’t get it over the line in the House. Which is even scarier.” Robin McCarthy.

Could be a new Mayor waiting in the wings. He did run last time but of course the sheeples voted for a leftard Dalziel.

She is political toast now
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January 15, 2018 2:19pm
- igm
  
  Hard to remove left-wing councillors and mayors so long as non-ratepayers have a vote in local body elections. Until we have principal ratepayers only, voting in local body elections, we will have these fiscally illiterate no-hopers troughing off ratepayers. Their supporters do so as a way of satisfying their displeasure of those with something.
  
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  January 15, 2018 2:31pm
- Jack5
  
  Not only the councils are competing in tourism, Rodney.
  
  Ngai Tahu’s tourism businesses operate exempt from company tax because they are part of a registered charity.
  
  Waikato Maori also have climbed on the charity-tax-free wagon.
  
  We are developing an apartheid tax system.
  
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  January 15, 2018 2:40pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    I have followed McCarthy’s Press comments with interest for a few years now. He is measured never resorting to nastiness.
    
    Could be one to watch.
    
    C.C.C. needs a good cleanout.
    
    The “People’s Choice” leftards have troughed away for far too long.
    
    Dalziel and her C.E. Karleen Edwards have been complete failures. Staff numbers have exploded, millions have been squandered on nice to haves meanwhile the roads remain f$%ed goat tracks in many places and core city maintenance has fallen by the wayside.
    
    criminal negligence.
    
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    January 15, 2018 2:59pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    The reports these ‘charities’ write when asked to cough up are alarming.
    
    I had a read of a recent Salvation Army report decrying the last govt’s attempts to make some of these ‘charities’ pay their share.
    
    They protestations were great and the mild threats amusing.
    
    Tax the bastards.
    
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    January 15, 2018 3:02pm
  - Gabby
    
    Like them exclusive brethren weirdies.
    
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    January 15, 2018 3:09pm
    - Rodney Randall
      
      I know a chap who escaped the Brthrens. He was excommunicated from immediate family and friends. He’s never been happier.
      
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      January 15, 2018 3:22pm
Jack5

Antifa Leftists arming themselves with automatic rifles.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-15/redneck-revolt-and-the-hard-lefts-call-to-arms/9303758
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January 15, 2018 2:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , but you have no problem with these alt right Oath Keepers doing the same ?
  
  https://www.adl.org/sites/default/files/2017-06/oath-keepers-pennsylvania-1000w.jpg
  
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  January 15, 2018 3:26pm
- UpandComer
  
  It’s ludicrous.
  
  These are the people who read 1984 and unironically don’t understand that it’s about socialism.
  
  All of these groups are funded by people like Soros – that is why he has been banned from Austria and Hungary.
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/07/soros-funded-militant-group-claims-german-contingent-at-g20-protests/
  
  http://conservativerefocus.com/blogs/index.php/NWO/george-soros-sponsored-left-wing
  
  It’s a farce.
  
  The left has monopolized the rhetoric of force, for literally decades.
  
  There is a modicum of push-back now in the United States, simply trying to get back to some form of normalcy against trannie dating websites for under tens the parents can’t access, rainbow lobby child confiscation squads planned in California, like in Canada, suspension of the rule of law for liberals, use of the IRS and FBI against conservatives, a reaction to massive illegal immigration that is pretty mild, massive regulation and efforts to get rid of the first amendment, etcetera.
  
  Now they say they have to bring assault rifles to rallies where people simply want to oppose them physically stopping people like Condoleeza Rice or Milo Yianoppoulis or William Murray or even National Review people for Gods sake speaking at Berkeley? In order to prevent fascism?
  
  Government education.
  
  I just hope that Trump can stop the people trying to de-stabilise the country.
  
  The Charlottesville rally took place after these guys were beheading and defecating on statues of Confederate soldiers, and anyone ‘they were told’ was a confederate, amounting to any statue of a white person. They still shouldn’t have held the rally, and it turns out the leadership all used to be Occupy Wall Street people so it was probably staged in the hope what happened would happen. But they couldn’t really do anything because state officials wouldn’t enforce the law on antifa.
  
  That was no different then the Taliban blowing up Buddhas in Bamiyan.
  
  It’s all so stupid and dangerous – and there is no empiricism anywhere to be seen.
  
  Glad I don’t live in the US.
  
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  January 15, 2018 3:31pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Upand Comer , blar, blah , blah
    
    “There is a modicum of push-back now in the United States, simply trying to get back to some form of normalcy against trannie dating websites…”
    
    The Trump derangement effect in action !
    
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    January 15, 2018 3:48pm
    - UpandComer
      
      http://www.neonnettle.com/news/3542-10-year-old-transgender-boy-is-starting-a-dating-website-for-trans-children
      
      “The site’s admin will approve all applicants manually and block access from parents or children who sign up using their “offensive” born gender to ensure the “drag kids” feel “safe to express themselves.”
      
      See you think I’m exaggerating.
      
      I’m under-stating.
      
      It’s a website for ‘trannie kids’ where the administrators ‘manually check’ each kid, and then impose protocols to lock out parents or any third party from interference with their grooming.
      
      There is no reason this couldn’t be used in New Zealand.
      
      There is also no way in hell this is just being done by the kid.
      
      The backend for a widespread dating site, and a responsive design interface is at least HTML5, Java, CSS, and PHP, plus interface design and a host of privacy and automatic detection issues with emails and such to block parents.
      
      This would take a team of software engineers and a human factors engineer, graphic designer, and a marketing team.
      
      Now tell me, am I deranged? Or is this just one more legitimate expression of the culture wars?
      
      Tell me how this isn’t illegal stephieboy.
      
      It’s a fucking dating website for under 10’s that parents can’t get access to.
      
      In fact, if they try and stop their kid getting pimped by whoever the fuck is running that website in Canada, the parent will be arrested for a hate crime.
      
      And you think people have Trump derangement syndrome.
      
      I’m not even going to link to the ‘Tribe’ boards that discuss this website, and the horrendous things they say.
      
      I’m not trying to be melodramatic, but fuck man – this is the kind of shit that really will move people right. Why do you scoff at it instead of helping to stop it?
      
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      January 15, 2018 4:16pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “These are the people who read 1984 and unironically don’t understand that it’s about socialism.’
        
        It is no such thing . Orwell was himself a socialist and remained true to its ideals to the end . The concept of Big Brother has the potential to appear anywhere given the right conditions , whether Socialist or Capitalist .
        
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        January 15, 2018 4:48pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        That’s true Stephieboy although were are still waiting to see this manifest in a Western capitalist democracy.
        
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        January 15, 2018 5:03pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Stephieboy Orwell also wrote Animal Farm.
        
        Come oooooon man.
        
        Was Orwell in 1984 really criticizing free market capitalism? Was he criticizing bourgeoisie conformity? Was he criticizing corporate personhood?
        
        Here are just a few things that happen in 1984. Think about them, and tell me if they correspond to a critique of big government statism or of individuality, free speech, and the family.
        
        Tell me how these events also reconcile with what Jamie Damore revealed is standard practice at Google.
        
        Winston dreams about his mother’s disappearance – he misses her. Does that correspond with the view the state should replace parents.
        
        Winston ponders the use of words that he knows never existed before 1960 – such as ‘Ingsoc’. How does that correspond to for example, the top collegiate girl’s school in England getting rid of all gendered pro-nouns?
        
        Winston’s job is to alter documents to suit the current party lines – the line Orwell refers to is ‘Oceania has always been at war with East Asia’ – that was a direct reference to the Non-Aggression Pact Stalin signed with Hitler. He wasn’t criticizing Hitler. How does that cohere with erasure of history – such as that the removal of homsexuality from the DSM was purely due to domestic terrorism of the psychologists who were in charge of the compilation. But we never, ever learn that.
        
        Take for example that story I found from 2009 in the Weekly Standard that showed Obama spent $300billion of stimulus money he said went on ‘shovel ready jobs’ on feminist special interest groups when 3million men had lost their jobs and the US has horrific infrastructure.
        
        Was Orwell critiquing the Media changing history? Clinton burning her emails showing what she really did at Benghazi, Uranium One, and the Clinton Foundation – was Orwell critiquing that or supporting it when he described ‘Memory holes’.
        Germany and Sweden not collecting the ethnicities of their criminals – is that a ‘Memory hole’ or a memory facilitator?
        
        He works on the ‘new-speak’ dictionary and hates it – what is “plurality” “zer” “microaggressions” “implicit racism” “triggering” “re-education” “non reverse-racism” “intersectionality” etc
        
        Winston has a straight relationship with Julia, in the only room he’s ever found that doesn’t have a monitoring screen in it – it makes him happy – state or family?
        
        Winston is taken to the ‘Ministry of Love’ – Love is love – see the website of the 10 year old trannie dating service that parents can’t get access to. See my quotes yesterday from “”Hans Goldsberg”” in Belgium referring to a pending ‘consolidation of the laws of consent of Europe’ where ‘some consider that the concept of the age of consent has no currency at all’ it is ‘outmoded’ in our ‘modern world’. What does love mean. Who is abusing language.
        
        When Winston reads Goldstein’s book on the history of their universe, it refers to the techniques and methods of the totalitarian Soviets, and how these have been refined and perfected by the Party.
        
        The Party killed literature and eventually science – the only thing they study is more refined methods for surveillance, mind-reading, and conventional war-fare, in wars that aren’t designed to be won.
        
        Who is banning all the books, like Shakespeare, from literature courses, because they’re written by evil white males.
        
        What is the destruction of evolutionary biology as a science, the whole-schools approach to pedagogy, and the destruction of the sciences, like this:
        
        https://forums.catholic.com/t/math-now-in-a-politically-correct-mode/27422
        
        You must be able to see the echo?
        
        Winston is taken away to the Ministry of Love by the ‘thought police’ – who is preventing free speech in every country, is it the left, or the right. Who is stopping universities teaching anything, or having speakers on campus that diverge from a ‘party’ consensus, is it the left or the right? Who is persecuting people in Google for speech, the Left or the Right?
        
        War is Peace – see that article today about Antifa saying that they have to carry assault rifles in order to be non-violent
        
        ‘Freedom is slavery’ – See the same people saying they have to stop people talking on Campus because they might get offended, but they’re doing it for the freedom of the oppressed.
        
        “Ignorance is strength” – Pick a billion examples from the Left.
        
        Come on man.
        
        Orwell was a socialist, but this wasn’t a critique of surveillance.
        
        He was prescient, he saw exactly the conceptual logic in place in socialism of the day.
        
        That’s why I can say with 100% certainty that if NZ legalises euthanasia, which it will, based on the ‘self determination theory’ which is legalising pedophili a and child abuse in Canada, Belgium etc to match the pedophili a inherent to Judaism and Islam which is why those three seem to line up in the West for some reason, within 3-5 years we’ll be euthanising non-terminal patients.
        
        Come on man, it takes absolutely adamantine dissonance to read 1984 and not understand that it is a critique of socialism and the centralisation of power and control.
        
        Snap out of it.
        
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        January 15, 2018 6:19pm
Peter

I don’t know why the MSN think this is the way forward.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11975358

A repeater repeats what he/she (my guess is a she) has read on Reddit. Some random comments from one person (so not “Americans” as stated in the headline) claiming to be a tourist.

That’s – apparently – a “story”.

Doesn’t even link to the source.

I will, tho:

https://www.reddit.com/r/newzealand/comments/7qasqt/worthless_observations_from_an_american_tourist/

What is the point of this, MSN? Are you that unaware of your own redundancy?

PS: Note the comment on the reddit thread:

“Before you get any ideas, Fuck off NZHerald!”

And

“Currently top story of herald front page. sigh”
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January 15, 2018 2:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  Peter , A Dutch couple in an RNZ Insight report on Foreign Fruit picking and Horticultural labour also painted a very unflattering picture of NZ ,
  They noted that it was ,
  
  1 Very expensive to live .
  
  2 Poor Labour law Protections .
  
  They were happy to return to Holland where they could experience much better and less expensive standards of living .
  
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  January 15, 2018 3:34pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    You’d think RNZ would avoid potential clichés. But I don’t think they are self aware these days.
    
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    January 15, 2018 4:06pm
  - Peter
    
    Stephieboy, let us know when you’ve grasped the actual point I was making.
    
    It’s not difficult, even for Standard readers.
    
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    January 15, 2018 5:18pm
Harriet

“…..The last few decades have seen explosive population growth in the brown world, mainly due to globalist aid programs funded by the wealth created by us. This bubble, what the president calls the shithole population bubble, is about to burst.
We now have a brown global underclass who have been told by our media and our elites that their poverty is due to white privilege. They would have flown their pyramids to the stars if we crackers didn’t take everything from them.

This is not a fringe view. There are entire departments in universities across the West devoted to teaching this bullshit.

An entire generation of black and brown underachievers have been told this lie. Much like the Russian peasants in 1917, their resentment has been turned into rage by opportunistic intellectuals and they believe our McMansion palaces rightfully belong to them. They want what you’ve got, cracker.
The fruit of Western civilisation, growing more out of reach every year for those in the shitholes, will now be taken by force….”
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January 15, 2018 3:02pm
- stephieboy
  
  Harriet , Source ? Daily Stormer , Stormfront , frontpage etc ??
  
  I believe the President likley privately believes the same .
  
  Does the writer also suggest that we should begin a campaign of extermination against those who lives in those “ shitholes ” ?
  
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  January 15, 2018 3:23pm
  - Harriet
    
    “….Harriet , Source ?…”
    
    XYZ.net.au……..they’ve applied to Fed govt for half[$600,000,000.00] of the funding that the ABC gets from the feds[$1,2bil]……..as they report the other side of every story! 😎
    
    It’s the best read in Aussie….heaps of piss taking. You’d fucken hate it! 😎
    
    https://www.xyz.net.au/weaponised-majorities/
    
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    January 15, 2018 3:47pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Harriet , nos surprises there . A site that is notorious for making grossly generalised rhetoric and assertions of the alt right variety ( including I would say you so called “Christian” Right brethren )
      
      Best read amongst whom ? Pauline Hanson’s followers .
      
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      January 15, 2018 3:53pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Yet you quote from Stuff at 1:12pm.
        What exactly are the “credible” news sources these days?
        
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        January 15, 2018 5:06pm
Manolo

The clown is in the House:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/maxine-waters-impeach-trump-ill-informed-deplorable-comments-haiti-countries/

Another day, another reason for Maxine Waters to call for the impeachment of President Trump.
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January 15, 2018 3:14pm
Digmen1

As regards Norway and its emmigrants to the USA.,

I am always amazed at Portugal with a small population creating one of the biggest countries in the World – Brazil.
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January 15, 2018 3:36pm
- stephieboy
  
  Digmen1 , but not as big as the Spanish or British empires that like the Portuguese no longer exists .
  
  Furthermore Brazil at the time was very sparsely populated .
  
  Your point ?
  
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  January 15, 2018 3:56pm
  - Digmen1
    
    I was not making a POINT.
    Its just interesting.
    Britain had a much bigger population that Portugal.
    
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    January 15, 2018 5:57pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Digmen1 , Portugal was able to bring out a string of excellent navigators and sea fearers like Prince Henry , Magellan , Vaso da Gama etc .
      
      That might help explain.
      
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      January 15, 2018 7:28pm
Digmen1

Yes as I have always said.

NZ is not a low wage economy.
Our miniumm wages are higher than the USA, Canada, Chile, Argentina and most others.

Its just that we live next door to Australia which has one of the highest wages in the world.

But we are a HIGH cost country.

And if we keep increasing our minimum wage each year by huge amounts, then we will price tourists off our market.
As well as killing our exporters (and employers)
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January 15, 2018 3:40pm
- stephieboy
  
  Digmen1 , so third world type pay and conditions ?
  
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  January 15, 2018 3:58pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Did I say that?
    I’m quite surprised that so many agreed with me.
    My remedy would be a period of five to ten years of no wage rises. (let the rest of the world catch us up
    But constant and gradual reduction of our over pricing.
    Monopolies in groceries and building costs
    High Rates driven by fat cat bureaucrat salaries
    
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    January 15, 2018 5:53pm
tedbear

There’s absolutely no need to alter the ‘completed houses’ counting clock.

On 21 September 2017, Phil Twyford stated ““Labour’s going to hit the ground running on housing. Within our first hundred days we’ll pass a law requiring all rentals to be healthy, we’ll end the state house sell-off and kick start our programme of building affordable starter homes for first homebuyers.”

Thus the first hundred days have passed. The programme of the Kiwibuild house building machine must be underway.
All we need is someone with a clipboard to trot around to the addresses, take photos and let our faithful msm inform the nation of the daily total.
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January 15, 2018 3:55pm
Johnboy

Sir Humphrey has obviously given Twitford his instructions since his elevation to the Politburo. 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/western-leader/99337178/resident-says-mp-phil-twyford-used-him-for-preelection-publicity-stunt
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January 15, 2018 4:16pm
Herodotus

Getting tough on crime ?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11975426
“Carter told Daily Mail Australia he is still fuming over what he says is a light sentence, and says the judge, Thomas Ingram, went too soft on the woman who ripped away his livelihood, his ability to move with ease, his best mate and the love of his life.”
There is more but be warned you could feel nauseous
Why cannot those in parliament LISTEN to the voter, hopefully after 9 yrs in power and being unceremoniously ditched someone will start to listen AND act.
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January 15, 2018 4:39pm
aldo

yes today I see the prime minister on the tv with mr garner, she is very good do you think. My family enjoy her very much. the lanour party seem to be very good for familys like mine. I am happy that the government pay us money big because we have small money ritgh at this point. you are very lucky liveing here. they give me 630 every week plus they pay for our house in mt Roskill I do not understand why the kiwi person complain?
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January 15, 2018 5:29pm
- aldo
  
  Let me explain you. I am a medical graduate of LAU school medicine Lebanon. I am the practicing surgeon in cardio thoracic surgery specialising in pulmonary disease. Your government, although generous monetary terms will not let me work your hospital. I am needing to earn the money my family, however I do niot wish drive the taxi or have the shop. Why they let we come to nz but then say no work in hospital I do not understand. Thank you listen to the problem.
  
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  January 15, 2018 5:56pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Oh FFS
    
    Business owner who loves trump or a surgeon on the dole??
    
    Make up your mind Kea and keep your stories straight… fucking amateur
    
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    January 15, 2018 7:24pm
    - aldo
      
      you are the angry man cmon are you brother of the johnboy. Trump is good man I accept him and what is the kea.
      
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      January 15, 2018 7:47pm
      - nasska
        
        …..’what is the kea.”…..
        
        A commenter who I often disagreed with but genuinely respected…..until his latest crap pseudonym that is.
        
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        January 15, 2018 7:59pm
      - stigie
        
        Christ, kea has more identities than big bruv, its getting fucking confusing..?
        
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        January 15, 2018 8:03pm
      - realityczech
        
        Aldo, Don’t listen to nasska. He is the Jew. Our country have big problem with the Jew.
        
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        January 15, 2018 8:32pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        realityczech
        
        Aldo, Don’t listen to nasska. He is the Jew. Our country have big problem with the Jew
        
        And there we have it. Kea was bound to trip over his catalogue of “usernames” and “personalities” at some stage! Seriously, what sort of sad fuck wastes time with multiple identities on a blog? My guess: someone with low self-esteem, soiled underpants, and an inability to socialise with people in real life…
        
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        January 15, 2018 8:38pm
      - realityczech
        
        That’s right dimwits. If two people disagree with you then the only rational explanation is they are one and same people, because you know …. reasons LOL 🙂
        
        Using that “logic” 99% of the identities here are all the same person because of their fanatical hatred and Muslims and worshiping of the Jew.
        
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        January 15, 2018 9:57pm
  - Muzza M
    
    Well then go back to Lebanon. As for driving a taxi, your spoken English better me more proficient than your written English, otherwise your passengers would never get to where they want to go. Why did you come here? Is Lebanon a “shit hole”?
    
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    January 15, 2018 7:44pm
    - aldo
      
      well your spoken english is not so good if you read what you said to me. Why have such angry at me I come here to contribut to your society make the better life for the family pay the tax. I want to be a kiwi please,
      
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      January 15, 2018 8:22pm
      - nasska
        
        Okay…..lets pretend you’re not one of Kea’s parody pseudonyms:
        
        …..”I am happy that the government pay us money big because we have small money ritgh at this point. you are very lucky liveing here. they give me 630 every week plus they pay for our house in mt Roskil”……
        
        You’re a bludger!
        
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        January 15, 2018 8:38pm
      - aldo
        
        thank you nascar. We are not the bludger we want to work get ahead buy the house and be the good kiwi.
        your government will not let me practice. when we get the visa it was ok they say yes we want the surgeon but get here and rule change say not enough points i not understand. Now we limbo goverment give us the house I not want this i want to work in the hospital.My wife she cry at night make me sad
        
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        January 15, 2018 8:50pm
      - nasska
        
        One of Kea’s parody pseudonyms, a bludger & a bullshit artist.
        
        You’re destined for a career in politics!
        
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        January 15, 2018 8:57pm
      - aldo
        
        shut your fuckin face nascaa I am sick of you now
        
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        January 15, 2018 9:34pm
      - stigie
        
        Nasska, did you tell aldo he use to live in a shithole..? He plenty mad with you !~
        
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        January 15, 2018 9:43pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 26: Joel Kramer

The stupid, low-brow, racist blockbuster True Lies, starring Groper No. 6 in our series, was one of the more disgusting films to come out of Hollywood in the 1990s. Turns out that what was going on behind the scenes was just as offensive….

US actress Eliza Dushku’s claim of a sexual assault when she was filming True Lies, aged 12, has been backed by both her mother and then-legal guardian. The Buffy and Bull star alleged she was sexually harassed by the film’s stunt coordinator, Joel Kramer….

“…he disappeared in the bathroom and emerged, naked, bearing nothing but a small hand towel held flimsy at his mid-section.

“… he laid me down on the bed, wrapped me with his gigantic writhing body, and rubbed all over me. He spoke these words: ‘You’re not going to sleep on me now sweetie, stop pretending you’re sleeping,’ as he rubbed harder and faster against my catatonic body. When he was ‘finished,’ he suggested, ‘I think we should be careful…’ (about telling anyone) he meant. I was 12, he was 36.”

She also claimed Kramer had put her “on his lap” during a taxi ride afterwards and how he “grew aroused again”, and reported that she was injured during a subsequent “stunt-gone-wrong” being overseen by him and suffered “broken ribs” as a result.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/100566301/eliza-dushku-alleges-she-was-sexually-molested-during-filming-of-true-lies

http://deadline.com/2018/01/true-lies-stuntman-joel-kramer-dropped-agency-sexual-assault-accusation-eliza-dushku-1202243097/

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom; 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; 12 Prince Harry; 13 Bill Clinton; 14 Judge Roy Moore; 15 Matt Lauer; 16 Richard Branson; 17 Warren Moon; 18 Donald John Trump; 19 Damian Green; 20 Gene Simmons; 21 Sylvester Stallone; 22 Louise’s husband Charlie; 23 Father O’Hagan (AKA “Father Gropius”); 24 David Lloyd George; 25 James Franco
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January 15, 2018 5:34pm
- GoVege
  
  “Stupid, low-brow, racist blockbuster True Lies…disgusting”????
  That’s one of my favourite movies Morrissey!!
  
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  January 15, 2018 5:51pm
  - nasska
    
    If only Kramer had been Muslim.
    
    At twelve years the kid would have been too old for the sick bastards to bother molesting.
    
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    January 15, 2018 5:58pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Yes, I quite enjoyed it at the time as well. But Schwarzenegger and the producers had an ugly, racist agenda, which spoils it somewhat. Still, I love Back to the Future, Dirty Harry, and many other movies which have some pretty appalling subtexts.
    
    I’ve never been able to sit through anything with James Franco in it, mainly because I’ve always detested him; the revelations about him that surfaced last week simply confirmed what I suspected.
    
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    January 15, 2018 6:05pm
    - Longknives
      
      I know I am going to regret this but-
      
      Back to the Future is ‘racist’??
      Why? Because it has White lead characters??
      
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      January 15, 2018 6:32pm
      - Harkman
        
        Back to the Future, True Lies and Arnie. Nothing is safe from my childhood. How will I sleep tonight?
        
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        January 15, 2018 7:45pm
      - Morrissey
        
        I don’t think it’s racist, but I found its doltish Libyan terrorists disturbing, and a pathetic reiteration of Reaganite nonsense. Remember, just a year after this movie, the U.S. bombed Libya, and we all know what it’s done to that country since then.
        
        But it doesn’t stop my enjoyment of what I think is one of the greatest movies of the twentieth century. I’m sure you love it too, Longknives.
        
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        January 16, 2018 8:48am
      - Morrissey
        
        You go on digging those movies, Harkman, and sleep well my friend. Thanks to the struggles of liberals over the centuries, you’ll no doubt enjoy a peaceful slumber this evening, undisturbed by government harassment.
        
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        January 16, 2018 8:50am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Repulsive behaviour. 12yo FFS!
  
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  January 15, 2018 5:53pm
GoVege

I see Liam Neeson is in trouble for defending the playful antics of 80 year old megastar Dustin Hoffman 40-50 years ago.
Will they start an online petition to blacklist Liam too?
Starting to feel like the 1950s……
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January 15, 2018 5:57pm
- Morrissey
  
  Did they condemn disgusting predators in the 1950s? I think you’ll find the opposite.
  
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  January 15, 2018 6:07pm
  - nasska
    
    In the 50s & 60s a kid’s word didn’t count for shit. There had to be about six adult witnesses to any abuse & if the abuser was famous, one of the town fathers or a clergyman then blind eyes would be turned.
    
    The police seldom expressed much interest in going after the offenders & if any justice was meted out it was done summarily by family & friends.
    
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    January 15, 2018 6:13pm
  - GoVege
    
    I should have said “Hollywood in the 50’s”….y’know…stars being accused of being commies and blacklisted.
    Now they’re being accused of fondling someone yonks ago and blacklisted.
    
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    January 16, 2018 12:07am
Viking2

I see Hilary barry is going to replace Hosking.
Hosking will be paid a lot more next year when called back.
And The now ex Greenie is going to be the breakfast host. The dancing lady, ex partner of richie. Ski board champ etc etc. Haley Holt.

Thats TV1’s audience gone.
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January 15, 2018 6:01pm
- stigie
  
  “I see Hilary barry is going to replace Hosking.”
  
  Oh please give me some fucking strength someone !~
  
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  January 15, 2018 7:32pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    please give me some fucking strength someone
    
    Do you mean “oh fuck please give me some strength someone” or “oh please give me some fucking strength someone”? A group of guys in Hagley Park are hanging on every word that you say, old chap!
    
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    January 15, 2018 7:53pm
    - stigie
      
      And these guys you speak of Nostra, are they friends of yours and Dads, could you have a drink with these lads and come away well satisfied..?
      
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      January 15, 2018 8:11pm
  - RF
    
    I hear the commie chic was assisting the TV3 thing at 7pm tonight. I presume selfie time.
    
    I just could not watch it. She reminds me of a grand piano keyboard
    
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    January 15, 2018 7:54pm
Nostradamus

Several times, including on 28 December, All on Red has linked to a comment that Stephieboy made on the 24 December GD thread. His link used to work, and Stephieboy’s comment used to be there. But now the link doesn’t work (it takes you to the top of the 24 December GD thread instead), and Stephieboy’s comment isn’t there. I reckon Stephieboy asked DPF to remove the comment and thought no one would notice…

Meanwhile what All on Red said about Stephieboy applies:

Well stop going around the blog smearing your shit on everyone. You never debate anything but just behave like a rude little fuck.
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January 15, 2018 6:06pm
- Morrissey
  
  Embarrassing links do have a way of persisting, however….
  
  https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/4/7/l/x/w/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620×349.147lbg.png/1427573374559.jpg
  
  https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/l/f/i/z/s/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620×349.1lfi0o.png/1504501119377.jpg
  
  https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1401757050/992/10059992.jpg
  
  https://www.sbs.com.au/guide/sites/sbs.com.au.guide/files/styles/body_image/public/nazi.jpg?itok=q1oxMi44&mtime=1503879842
  
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  January 15, 2018 6:12pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Where’s the image of Dotcom and his stripper bride committing perjury?
    
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    January 15, 2018 6:14pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Did someone say “stripper bride”?!?!?!??!?
      
      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/HRH_Prince_Henry_of_Wales.jpg
      
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      January 15, 2018 6:25pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Heh heh. What about a Gayford threesome?
        
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        January 15, 2018 6:59pm
    - realityczech
      
      “Where’s the image of Dotcom and his stripper bride committing perjury?”
      
      Filed away with the image of John Key taking a bribe from Dotcom ?
      
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      January 15, 2018 7:26pm
      - Gabby
        
        In the album alongside Shagger Banksy alighting from the forgettable helicopter.
        
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        January 15, 2018 8:26pm
  - Longknives
    
    Not a Royalist then Morrissey?..
    
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    January 15, 2018 6:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  Nostradamus , is this all what you get up to in your spare time ?
  
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  January 15, 2018 7:21pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stephieboy:
    
    I’ve been appointed as Kiwiblog’s archivist by such luminaries as Kimbo and Mikenmild. It’s a voluntary job that involves long hours without financial reward. It’s my job to make enquiries when comments go missing! Aren’t you concerned that one of your comments has *cough* gone missing?
    
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    January 15, 2018 7:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, let me think back….
  Does this ring a bell?
  Isaiah 52:7-10
  
  7 How beautiful on the mountains
  are the feet of those who bring good news,
  who proclaim peace,
  who bring good tidings,
  who proclaim salvation,
  who say to Zion,
  “Your God reigns!”
  8 Listen! Your watchmen lift up their voices;
  together they shout for joy.
  When the Lord returns to Zion,
  they will see it with their own eyes.
  9 Burst into songs of joy together,
  you ruins of Jerusalem,
  for the Lord has comforted his people,
  he has redeemed Jerusalem.
  10 The Lord will lay bare his holy arm
  in the sight of all the nations,
  and all the ends of the earth will see
  the salvation of our God.
  
  (I would prefer the KJV, of course)
  
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  January 15, 2018 7:21pm
Keeping Stock

Julie Anne Genter is having a bit of a moan on Twitter because the bus to Auckland Airport doesn’t change its schedule to suit her:

Julie Anne Genter
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@JulieAnneGenter
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The company (SkyBus Auckland) that bought the airport bus service has made it so unreliable and inconvenient for domestic commuters, I may have to stop using it. ?

She later elaborated, when accused of being selfish:

Julie Anne Genter
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@JulieAnneGenter
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Replying to @bernieharnett @jamespeshaw @jacindaardern
How is it selfish to point out that the service has become more difficult for me to use? Genuine question. I regret that I may have to get more cabs. That costs taxpayers more. Also, I want the service to work well – that would mean less traffic around the airport.

It’s not all about you Ms Genter. “Ordinary people” look at the schedule, look at their flight times, and get on a bus that will get them there on time. Maybe you should try that.
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January 15, 2018 6:10pm
- Longknives
  
  Seeing as Ms Genter is so concerned about ‘Costing the Taxpayer more’ I assume she will turn down the MP’s Annual Pay Rise? Pay for her own Holiday Travel? etc etc…
  
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  January 15, 2018 6:27pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Of course JAG will turn down the pay rise. Just as she will follow her environmental concerns and use the Airporter coach service instead of a ministerial limo. I’m sure that the remainder of the Green Ministers and MPs will follow her great example.
    
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    January 15, 2018 6:43pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”Pay for her own Holiday Travel”….
    
    I’m certain that her deep convictions concerning carbon & global warming would keep her close to home.
    
    …..”“At 0.85 kg of CO2 per kilometer, air travel produces by far the largest amount of GHG emissions per passenger kilometer of any form of transportation. By comparison, a single-occupant vehicle produces 0.20 kg of CO2 per kilometer, and a bus produces 0.07 kg of CO2 per kilometer.””…..
    
    http://www.greenrationbook.org.uk/resources/footprints-air-travel/
    
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    January 15, 2018 6:43pm
    - Longknives
      
      Ha Ha Just like James Shaw flying Business Class to Germany to go to a ‘Climate Change’ Conference..
      The concept of Hypocrisy just goes whoosh over their heads doesn’t it?
      
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      January 15, 2018 6:55pm
      - aldo
        
        I see the james Shaw on garner today, he not a happy looking the man. No smile, what is up the arse?
        
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        January 15, 2018 7:08pm
      - Longknives
        
        Golriz?
        
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        January 15, 2018 7:13pm
      - Gabby
        
        is brito up the arse dildo, big fat rubber brito.
        
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        January 15, 2018 8:24pm
- Peter
  
  Yeah, well that’s the thing about buses, Jules. They’re a bit sh*t, unless you’ve got very high density populations to justify running often, and even then….they’re still a bit sh*t, really.
  
  People take cars for a reason.
  
  They’re not sh*t.
  
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  January 15, 2018 6:57pm
  - Digmen1
    
    I think she should cycle to the airport.
    
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    January 15, 2018 7:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A skybus goes every 10 min during peak hours and every 30 min during evenings.
  https://www.skybus.co.nz/timetables
  
  What is the silly woman complaining about?
  The service is brilliant.
  As is Skybus Melbourne… and their excellent Free hotel drop-off service.
  
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  January 15, 2018 7:09pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Skybus Melbourne is the best. Are you aware that they operate Skybus Auckland?
    
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    January 15, 2018 8:15pm
- itstricky
  
  Point being?
  
  Is she not allowed to comment on the efficiency of bus services? Is she not allowed to comment on how they could fix it? Ala:
  
  They’re not running enough buses for sufficient recovery time, which affects reliability when there is traffic. Now they’ve reversed the intl/domestic terminal order – which is illogical bc domestic travellers will be way more time sensitive.
  
  “Ordinary people” look at the schedule, look at their flight times, and get on a bus that will get them there on time.
  
  “Ordinary people”, in the very same tweet, said that they ended up running for their plane, too.
  
  I really don’t get the point of this. Unless you came here just to whine about JAG having a whine by picking out little pieces of the conversation.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:28pm
GazzaW

The first substantial report on business confidence for 2018 is due tomorrow. I have been watching the rather dismal performance of the NZX of late in comparison to other world stockmarkets and it will be interesting to see whether the business confidence report reflects that.
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January 15, 2018 6:39pm
- Digmen1
  
  I really hope there is a big drop to give the COL a message.
  Before they start to implement their anti business ARgenda.
  
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  January 15, 2018 7:36pm
Nostradamus

‘F***ing useless. Make this your last week’: forestry worker loses ERA dispute over expletive-laden text

An expletive-laden text message was at the centre of an Employment Relations Authority (ERA) decision released this week.

“F-ing useless. Make this your last week, f-ing wasting my time,” said the February 8, 2017 text sent by Chilton Logging’s Blair Chilton to forestry worker Arona Gray, who was at the time employed as a gang foreman.

Gray said that he took this to mean that he had been fired and that it amounted to an unfair dismissal.

Despite claiming that he believed his employment to have been terminated, Gray returned to work the following day and worked a half day before leaving in frustration. “I’ve had enough – I’m not coming tomorrow,” he told a co-worker on the site.

It sounds like both sides agreed that he was in the wrong job!
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January 15, 2018 7:02pm
- nasska
  
  Knowing a few people working in forestry gangs I’m absolutely amazed that hostilities would be limited to those exchanged via text. Gang foreman is not an elected position & the fact that Mr Chilton is still capable of standing never mind withholding holiday pay speaks heaps of Gray’s good nature & forbearance.
  
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  January 15, 2018 7:10pm
Viking2

On housing, in late November, the Minister of Housing Phil Twyford commissioned an independent report on the New Zealand housing situation. According to the Minister

“This report will provide an authoritative picture of the state of housing in New Zealand today, drawing on the best data available.

The report was to be done before Christmas and it is now 15 January. Surely it is about time for it to be released?
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January 15, 2018 7:16pm
- GazzaW
  
  Twyford’s department runs at about the same pace. Six brand spanking new Housing NZ apartments were finished off a couple of blocks away in December right down to carpets, drapes, whitewear, garden shed. In my neck of the woods they would be worth $600 per week in the private rental market.
  
  They have been empty for weeks! Where are all the people sleeping in cars? Maybe they are holding them for the first shipment of refugees.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:23pm
UpandComer

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lolJaZta6DM

Stabbing epidemic in London.

Must be due to ‘institutional racism” lol.
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January 15, 2018 7:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  https://www.steynonline.com/8374/the-endless-night-of-long-knives
  
  Stabbings in Sweden, Vermont USA, Ireland and Germany discussed.
  
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  January 15, 2018 7:51pm
Digmen1

No, its due to all the immigration from Shithole countries.
Not Norway.
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January 15, 2018 7:40pm
Rodney Randall

https://twitter.com/ExMuslimTV/status/952680188017627136

Video at above link – Ex Muslim TV

“It was a summer night with a breeze. The wind blew my hair away and touched my neck. It had been almost 8 years since I felt the wind on my neck”

“Her mum fears going to hell because of her. Her brother beats her and her sister to keep them from doubting. She is afraid of never seeing her sister again.

Don’t you dare give a voice to those who dare question Islam within devout families.”
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January 15, 2018 7:54pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  “My brother beat me hard that day. He beat me in every possible way and all over my body, as if he was fighting a thug on the street”
  
  Religion of peace.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:01pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Don’t you dare give a voice to those who dare question Islam within devout families.”…..
  
  While I’d hesitate to disagree with what you instance……for me, what difference the Deity?
  
  Try disbelieving the Christian Skyfairy shit in devoutly religious families & see where it gets you. The entire system of delusion, whatever the faith, based on a non existent magic man in the sky is a never-ending recipe for misery.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:07pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Correct Nasska. I alluded to this in an earlier post re a friend who left the Exclusive Brethren.
    
    He wasn’t however beaten to a pulp or killed and neither was his wife to be who also left. They were excommunicated.
    
    Part of me felt sorry for the mother of the daughter who refuses to wear the headgear. The Mother has clearly ben brainwashed from day dot to fear eternal damnation. As Dawkins puts it, the worst type of child abuse.
    
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    January 15, 2018 8:11pm
    - nasska
      
      All belief in something that doesn’t exist is abuse especially when forced into the mind of a child.
      
      In some ways it maybe worse than physical or sexual abuse which at least leaves the victims psyche semi-intact. No greater truth was ever held other than the RC nutter who pontificated that control over a mind until the age of seven dictated what the man who eventuated would be.
      
      It is how social dominance is exerted……religion, in any form, is nothing other than a handbrake on human potential.
      
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      January 15, 2018 8:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Die Religion ist der Seufzer der bedrängten Kreatur, das Gemüt einer herzlosen Welt, wie sie der Geist geistloser Zustände ist. Sie ist das Opium des Volkes.
        -K.Marx
        
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        January 15, 2018 9:42pm
Digmen1

Have a look at the doco on Al Jazeera on Afghan madrassas and what they teach their young girls.

Its really terrible.
Hijab all day.
Read and learn the Quiran. (nothing else except some Arabic)
Go home and help around the house.
Not allowed to listen to music or watch tv.
Not allowed to go out on their own.
They are reduced to utter servitude.
Spread the word to other girls and get them to leave western style schools
Then get married

And the male teachers say their goal is to have islam and the hijab everywhere!
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January 15, 2018 8:20pm
- GazzaW
  
  ……and a little bit of mutilation if they really get lucky.
  
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  January 15, 2018 8:28pm
Digmen1

Regards the Hawaiin False Alarm.

If I lived on Hawaii I would be dead scared not annoyed.
I’d suddenly realise that if Fat Boy launched his missiles you have got 15 minutes to go to ….. (oh no there are no shelters)
And one nuke on Hawaii and its all gone.

I’d be mad at KJU and Obama for letting him get to where he is now.
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January 15, 2018 8:23pm
Jack5

Is this racial separation steaming ahead?

A Maori teacher is out to “de-colonise” history taught to children in NZ schools.

A taster, from the dedicated web site:

This CPR can go a long way towards practically enacting these policies more effectively. Or are you feeling that you are not teaching accurate Māori & Pākehā stories of our nation to your students effectively? This CPR is designed to support the New Zealand Curriculum (NZC) goals that require all New Zealanders to be knowledgeable about Māori and Pākehā, to understand the history of their relationship and enact the Treaty of Waitangi Principle (MOE, 2007) and Te Whāriki (1996). The resource meets the NZC Social Science Achievement Objectives (MOE, 2007). The CPR can be utilised successfully by all mainstream and Māori medium pathways.

http://www.maoritelevision.com/news/education/decolonising-curriculum

AND

http://cmph.cybersoul.co.nz/index.html
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January 15, 2018 8:55pm
- itstricky
  
  And … ?
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:03pm
  - Jack5
    
    And, Itstricky, you lickspittle PC Leftist, perhaps you can shove it up your arse.
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:09pm
    - itstricky
      
      Eloquent and intelligent as ever, Jack.
      
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      January 15, 2018 9:25pm
- Jack5
  
  A CPR in this context is a curriculum programme resource.
  
  The one in question is described as being “based in multicultural history and social studies pedagogies.”
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:07pm
Digmen1

So what history do the Maoris have.
They don’t even know where they came from.

Hawiiki
Taiwan
North America
Cook Islands
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January 15, 2018 9:11pm
- Jack5
  
  The origin seems to be the indigenous tribes of Taiwan: not the Chinese, but the displaced folk.
  
  No Treaty there. The Chinese, and before them the Japanese occupiers, are less indulgent than the British were.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:15pm
- Viking2
  
  Some in the BOP have DNA in the Easter Islands.
  As seen on TV DNA program.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:34pm
  - starboard
    
    stupid mouldy, go root yourselves. White NZ must push back against this tide of shit. We are the majority, you will follow us mouldy. We dont want your stoneage crap so foxtrot oscar.
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:41pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Some sailors got around a bit in the late 1700s-1850s.
    Cook visited both NZ and Easter Island on his 2nd voyage.
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:54pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  And possibly South America – they obviously raided to get kumara and almost certainly had to bring back experts to teach them how to cultivate it, pretty good chance they were women.
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:01pm
Tom Barker

The White House has become a shithouse.
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January 15, 2018 9:11pm
- Jack5
  
  What’s going on, Tom? Has Trump not kept the plumbing up to scratch?
  
  But seriously, now an American senator says Trump didn’t describe Haiti etc as “shit holes”.
  
  You would think when such important people talk someone would be taking electronic notes.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:19pm
  - axeman
    
    It is now TWO Senators and the Homeland Security Secretary who claim they never heard the expression. Dick Durbin is a noted bull shitter and the Demtards used him to divert from the upcoming indictments on the ‘Crooked’ Obama admin flunkies.
    
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    January 16, 2018 12:39am
Digmen1

And I get really annoyed at the Bay Of Plenty Polytech changing their name to some Maori mumbo jumbo
Toi Ohomai

Since when did Maori think that education was so great?

Oh “So can I have a look at your qualifications.”
“Oh I see you attended Toi Ohomai
Was that a kindergarten?”

Please Maoris, get into the real modern world.
Stop trying to drag the rest of us down to your tribal level.

And sickly white left wing liberals ,stop pandering to them.
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January 15, 2018 9:17pm
- Jack5
  
  Meanwhile in Mayor Disappointment Dalziel’s Christchurch, a $100 million new central library is being built, despite rising preference for small suburban libraries and the digital revolution beginning in books.
  
  The new edifice, obsolescent before it is finished, is not to be known as the central library. In this pretty white city, with few Maori speakers, it is to be called “Tūranga”.
  
  The name Tūranga seems to have been chosen by the local hapu of the South Island Ngai Tahu tribe.
  
  Citizens were told the Maori name “reflects the relationship with Whitireia, the traditional name for Cathedral Square.”
  
  There was, of course, no square (or streets) in Maori times.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:29pm
  - itstricky
    
    No there wasn’t. But that’s not what it was about:
    
    The name Tūranga was gifted by Te Ngāi Tūāhuriri Rūnanga and reflects the relationship with Whitireia, the traditional name for Cathedral Square. “In oral tradition Whitireia was the name of the house of Paikea, the ancestor who travelled here on the back of a whale,” says Carolyn Robertson, Head of Libraries and Information.
    
    Tūranga was where his house was located, so the name honours the Māori tradition while reflecting the library’s new location in the heart of the city.
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:36pm
    - Jack5
      
      Itstricky, that’s worse. Named ultimately for someone who rode a whale to these islands. I know the Polynesians were good navigators considering what they had, but riding whales!
      
      Dalziel’s Drips might as well throw away all the books and fill it with tohungas as a central temple of knowledge and wisdom.
      
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      January 15, 2018 9:43pm
      - itstricky
        
        Just so I can keep with the same theme:
        
        Rome gets its name from the sons of the God of War who were mothered by a wolf.
        
        That’s an entire city, one of the great ones of the modern times, named off the back of some mumbo jumbo.
        
        books and fill it with tohungas
        
        toanga
        
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        January 15, 2018 9:51pm
      - Jack5
        
        Toanga?
        
        I was posting in English. That’s Maori.
        
        If I were to mix them I’d be in NZ Pidgin.
        
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        January 15, 2018 10:03pm
      - itstricky
        
        taonga, that is.
        
        In case you were wondering.
        
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        January 15, 2018 10:05pm
      - nasska
        
        A “Tohunga” is a witch doctor.
        
        A “taonga” is a treasure…..like radio waves in Stone Age Maori folk lore understanding.
        
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        January 15, 2018 10:24pm
      - itstricky
        
        Yeah, I typo’d it
        
        toku hape
        
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        January 15, 2018 10:43pm
    - starboard
      
      “the ancestor who travelled here on the back of a whale,”
      
      Bawhahahahaha…fruitcake..as bad as some brown fella reeling in the south island lol!
      
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      January 15, 2018 9:48pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Dalziel was recently horrified that the street naming legislation for local govt, in chch, had no reference to Te Reo whatsoever, and sought a report on updating the document presumably so unelected maori representatives can be appeased and the naming of new streets can be in Maori. There a big push to rename the new QEII swimming facility out East something Maori but a pushback from community put a stop to it. They are still trying to add a Maori name to it.
    
    Still no further down the track finding out what these unelected members receive in the way of remuneration. It has been confirmed from one councillor that the salary for a few members is fairly extravagant, and Koha for the rest is money not ‘Koha’
    
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    January 15, 2018 10:11pm
- itstricky
  
  hanging their name to some Maori mumbo jumbo
  
  The Greeks and The Romans believed in plenty of mumbo jumbo, but that didn’t stop them. I don’t think you’re objecting to mumbo jumbo, you’re objecting to Maori.
  
  And I don’t quite see how changing the name of an institution is “dragging you down”. That’s a bit dramatic.
  
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  January 15, 2018 9:38pm
  - starboard
    
    not interested sticky, get with our programme or…you know what
    
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    January 15, 2018 9:46pm
    - itstricky
      
      What’s the programme? Whinning like some old drunk talk back listeners about how hard you are done by, by being forced to (gasp) look (gasp) at some Maori words?
      
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      January 15, 2018 9:52pm
      - starboard
        
        http://www.hobsonspledge.nz/?e=9b994ffb6bd9141c440866831e0a7b44&utm_source=hobsonspledge&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=media_release33&n=3
        
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        January 15, 2018 9:55pm
      - Jack5
        
        Slumming it, are you itstricky? Seems to me that this is where you belong – as the football.
        
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        January 15, 2018 10:01pm
      - Digmen1
        
        As I said imagine going to a job interview, say in London or New York with a qualification from Toi Ohomai.
        
        A diploma from Bay Of Plenty Polytech would mean something.
        Toi Ohomai – would just get looked over.
        
        It doesn’t affect me, I just feel sorry for our young ones who are getting an education now and need a job in the future.
        
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        January 16, 2018 4:58am
Viking2

And the Nats. want to make learning a second language compulsory. Choice of 10 but you can be sure that the PC bastards and the Nats, brown faces will eventually get to Te Reo only.
The Nats.need a boot up the arse for this shit.
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January 15, 2018 9:36pm
- Digmen1
  
  I’d make it a choice of 9.
  Remove Maori from the list, its only useful as a cermonial language for tourists.
  
  It has very few words.
  No written literature
  
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  January 16, 2018 4:53am
Viking2

I note that Mr Benson-Pope doesn’t appear to have reformed from his bullying habits.
Labour must be in power again.
While many of the city’s historic buildings were being developed, the Princes St buildings remained neglected.

“I am asking people with property holdings to get on with it.”

“If he doesn’t want to get on with what he has a consent for, please sell it to someone else, quit the property and let someone else preserve our heritage.”

Dirkzwager said he wasn’t in a position to comment.

Benson-Pope said the inaction may prompt him to seek possible remedies for similar neglected buildings, including rating tools.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/100583271/build-it-or-sell-it-christchurch-property-developer-told

Perhaps someone could tell why anyone would want to spend up large in that town.
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January 15, 2018 9:39pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Old Panty Slut Boy at it again
  
  http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/13943/something-else-david-benson-pope-fudged-on/
  
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  January 15, 2018 10:04pm
rightoverlabour

At least they weren’t chinky sounding names….
As an immigrant, I don’t really care who actually owns the farm, as long as it benefits New Zealand.

The comments are interesting.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/agribusiness/100543602/canterbury-farm-sold-for-17m-to-canadian-government-approved-by-overseas-investment-office
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January 15, 2018 10:27pm
Inandout

First arrest by the FBI in the Clinton Foundation uranium scam, according to Fox.
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January 15, 2018 10:49pm
- igm
  
  Bet Fairfax Filth and their MSM counterparts won’t mention this.
  
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  January 16, 2018 7:30am
Manolo

Thank you Obama…not!
http://quote.foxbusiness.com/symbol/i:dji/snapshot/
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