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William of Ockham

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January 13, 2018 8:00am
- Nostradamus
  
  William of Ockham:
  
  Does University of Queensland offer flying lessons for struggling pilots? 10 weeks, 8 – 10 hours per week should be enough to see you back in the skies again!
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:03am
  - flipper
    
    Perhaps they make FREE lignocaine available to all “lecturers”, “report writers” and would be students. Oh, and sometime apparent “dentists”. No ????
    
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    January 13, 2018 8:18am
    - S.Hawking
      
      Is your incoherent babble parseltongue, gobbledygook, or just gibberish?
      
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      January 13, 2018 8:45am
  - William of Ockham
    
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    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11973975
    Record marine heatwave to ‘energise’ coming storm. 12 Jan, 2018
    
    The “marine heatwave” that’s engulfed New Zealand this summer made the Tasman Sea the warmest it ever had been for December.
    
    And now meteorologists say it could energise a storm forecast to hit the country early next week.
    
    At its peak, the La Nina-fuelled marine heatwave pushed sea surface temperatures to more than 6C above normal in some parts of the Tasman.
    
    Warmer water: good for pilots ending up in the drink!
    
    HEATWAVE TO ‘DAMPEN DOWN’ NEXT MONTH
    MetService meteorologist Lisa Murray said some the summer had began with waters in some places around New Zealand being 4C warmer than normal for that time of year. It had also had a big impact on some of the weather we’d seen so far in the season, she said.
    
    “Put simply; warmer water evaporates more which increases the amounts of water particles into the air, so when the water particles condense there is more latent heat released.”
    This latent heat was a key ingredient to lows deepening rapidly – or even explosively.
    
    “An example of sea surface temperatures contributing to the development of on intense low, was the low which caused flooding and coastal inundation in many areas including Auckland, Coromandel, Thames, Christchurch and Wellington in the first few days of this year.”
    
    Awaiting dumb deniers’ demise … making their final contribution to humanity. Finally. ?
    
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    January 13, 2018 8:36am
    - Ross12
      
      Meanwhile Germany has abandoned its Paris agreed emissions reduction targets already.
      I note your link attributes the warmer sea temperatures to La Nina –a naturally occurring event , so it is good to see you are slowly changing your views WoO.
      
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      January 13, 2018 8:43am
      - William of Ockham
        
        Weather is “natural”; nobody disputes that.
        
        What human activity has done is cause Earth to retain more energy. This is well understood science. “Settled”. More energy means weather events can be worse.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jan/10/australia-had-third-hottest-year-ever-in-2017-weather-bureau-says
        
        Bureau says despite the lack of El Niño, Queensland and New South Wales experienced their hottest year on record
        The bureau’s annual climate statement released on Wednesday revealed 2017 was Australia’s third-hottest year on record, with the annual national mean temperature 0.95C above the average.
        
        It meant the 11-year mean temperature between 2007 and 2017 was now the highest on record, and seven of Australia’s 10 warmest years had occurred since 2005.
        
        Both day and night-time temperatures were warmer than average, with the maximum for the year the second-highest on record. Prolonged high sea surface temperatures led to the first instance of back-to-back years of mass coral bleaching events on the Great Barrier Reef.
        
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        January 14, 2018 7:36am
      - William of Ockham
        
        Germany had a hiccup due to closing nuclear plants. Nevertheless huge amounts of electricity are generated by renewables, with much more in the pipeline. Some days customers are paid to consume electricity, so much is available.
        
        Try reading reputable sites.
        
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        January 14, 2018 7:40am
      - Ross12
        
        Isn’t Reuters good enough for you ? It has come out as part of the coalition talks.
        
        Renewable industry is on a roll is it ?
        
        “In the past year alone, more than 2,000 employees in this sector have lost their jobs. Locations like Carbon Rotec in Lemwerder or Powerblades in Bremerhaven have been closed. The Hamburg wind turbine manufacturer Senvion had to go 660 full-time employees. Nordex , the second large wind power company based in the Hanseatic city, wants to cut up to 500 jobs due to eroding profits. And Enercon, the German market leader with more than 20,000 employees worldwide, recently announced “unpopular measures” to cut costs.”
        
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        January 14, 2018 9:49am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Germany has just bulldozed a lovely cathedral, relocated a village to exploit the lignite field underneath…
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5262641/German-cathedral-torn-make-way-coal-mining.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline
        
        Seems to be a common practice of open pit mining across Germany….
        
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        January 14, 2018 11:55am
    - stephieboy
      
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      “Awaiting dumb deniers’ demise … making their final contribution to humanity. Finally.”
      
      Says it all really !
      
      The country burns .Down tickers Fiddle
      
      Sigh !
      
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      January 13, 2018 9:14am
      - Harkman
        
        The ditches in Hagley Park are full of water, in early January. They have a smattering of muddle in the middle of winter.
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:01am
      - BananaLlama
        
        Whats wrong Stephie you didn’t know that Germany also ditched their emission reductions? Word is also out that they will be keeping their coal fired plants running as part of the coalition deal as well. I doubt we will be seeing any low IQ outrage from the international left over this.
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:49am
    - Harkman
      
      So get this, according to the far-left global warming explains the freezing temperatures of the last few days. It’s been like late-August lately. What a theory.
      
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      January 13, 2018 10:05am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh shit, they’ve let him out again.
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:12am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Any scientific article that uses the adjective “wicked” is best not read. By the way, how is the link between climate sceptics and paedophiles progressing? I assume you will have some robust statistical methodology in place, preceded by a lengthy literature review…..
  
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  January 13, 2018 12:52pm
  - William of Ockham
    
    It’s not a scientific article, it’s an advertisement.
    
    I suggest you read my comment again. Climate science deniers are beyond reason. Paedophiles are beyond reason.
    
    That doesn’t translate into a “link”, meaning cause or correlation, it’s just a common property.
    
    Like you and a chair. Both have legs.
    
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    January 14, 2018 7:05am
Manolo

Living up to his principles:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-ambassador-panama-resigns-donald-trump-john-feeley-not-work-president-a8156116.html

The US ambassador to Panama has resigned from his post on principle, writing in a resignation letter to the State Department that he can no longer serve the Trump administration, according to Reuters.
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January 13, 2018 8:05am
- Jack5
  
  Meanwhile a Harvard law professor who is a Democrat and supported Hilary Clinton, warns this of the view on Trump from one (or maybe a handful) of America’s thousands of psychiatrists:
  
  “There’s only one thing worse than trying to criminalize political differences and that’s trying to psychiatrize them. These psychiatrists who are trying to diagnose without having even met the man. That’s what they did in Russia.”
  
  Psychiatrists did a brutal job in the Soviet Union.
  
  http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/07/dershowitz-blasts-fellow-democrats-over-claims-trump-mentally-ill
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:34am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    A number of countries have indulged in the political abuse of Psychiatry.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry
    
    The US has quite a history of smearing political leaders with psychiatric failings
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry#United_States
    It seems to be one of the major arms of psychiatric practice.
    
    Not much difference between a psychiatrist and a witch doctor, it appears.
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:45am
    - KevOB
      
      A report from their association a few years ago showed it made know difference what their member’s diagnosis was. The 10 year outcomes were the same.
      
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      January 13, 2018 10:32am
- Jack5
  
  Meanwhile in NZ, the Hooerald joins the State TV network, TVNZ, in jumping on the “get Trump” band waggon.
  
  Today it reports allegations in the Wolff book as fact rather than allegations. For example:
  
  Michael Wolff’s explosive new book reveals how Ivanka Trump and her husband deal with Donald Trump.
  
  To the English-language media ,Trump is like one of those rubber dummies of bosses that Japanese companies reportedly once had for angry employees to batter with baseball bats.
  
  The journos feel that, villifying Trump, they can give full vent to their Leftism, without being held to account for being politically biased.
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:39am
  - ztev
    
    Yes . It does seem like one long infomercial for ‘that book’ by TVNZ
    Always showing the book cover, multiple times, they even did a story at Whitcoulls- where you could ‘buy the book’ with more pictures of the cover again.
    Every day there is a new angle, and as there is no real visuals for that ‘strange written thing, a book’ so they show more pictures of the cover.
    
    No real mention that its really a very poorly written and un-researched ‘memoir’
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:55am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Uptick there Z, keep up the good work!
      
      PS. Can you tell me which one you are so I can look out for your comments under the Ztev label please
      
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      January 13, 2018 2:24pm
      - ztev
        
        Same ztev, there could only be one, even my friends roll their eyes when they see me on the computer
        
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        January 13, 2018 7:07pm
      - axeman
        
        Does Caropotamus roll her eyes when she reads your usual dribble booby?
        
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        January 13, 2018 7:18pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Not THE Caropotomus?
        
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        January 13, 2018 11:08pm
Manolo

It can only be good for the people and the economy:
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2018/01/12/paycheck-changes-new-tax-law-more-money/

The U.S. Treasury and the IRS on Thursday put out new guidance and withholding tables for employers that incorporate changes from the new tax law.

Under those new tables, the Treasury estimates that 90% of people who get a paycheck are likely to see more in take-home pay, as soon as February.
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January 13, 2018 8:07am
- billr
  
  It will be interesting to see how this pans out. Hopefully the projected $1,000,0000,000,000 in extra borrowing to cover this won’t happen.
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:08am
EAD_TWO

It is incredible watching the MSM foam at the mouth about Trump referring to places like Haiti and Africa as shitholes.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/100548913/why-most-news-editors-arent-censoring-donald-trumps-vulgar-language

He’s now got the entire MSM doing his work for him and arguing that the third world shitholes from whence the bulk of America’s immigrants come aren’t really that bad, thus tacitly making the case for deportation.

The man is a genius❗
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January 13, 2018 8:08am
- igm
  
  He definitely tells the truth. They are shitholes.
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:11am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Indeed IGM,
    
    I mean, I don’t see anybody fleeing America/Europe to go to Africa or Haiti.
    
    Anyone feigning outrage over Trump’s “shithole” comments is a liar. Everyone knows he’s right.
    
    These constant lies and absurdities (think the “gender” debate where they want us to believe wheightlifters with d*cks are female….) are the worst thing about the dystopian system we are surrounded by.
    
    It’s run by liars that promote other liars and try to make you and me into liars too.
    
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    January 13, 2018 8:21am
    - igm
      
      Well said!
      
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      January 13, 2018 8:35am
    - flipper
      
      Trump denies that he used the adjective “shit hole”. PITY.
      It is a self evident truth.
      
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      January 13, 2018 8:38am
      - stephieboy
        
        holysheet , the keyboard warrior par excellence
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:30am
      - sooty
        
        Stupidboy.
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:51am
    - itstricky
      
      It’s run by liars that promote other liars and try to make you and me into liars too.
      
      I see. So clearly, when you go out during the day, you tell Africans to go back to their shitholes and you’d be more than happy to face off with a weightlifter with a dick and tell them what you think of them as well? And you wouldn’t expect an repurcusions at all?
      
      I mean, if you didn’t, you’d be a bit of a hypocrite, wouldn’t you? Or perhaps a keyboard warrior?
      
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      January 13, 2018 8:57am
      - holysheet
        
        Wanker!
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:24am
      - itstricky
        
        EAD is a shit head shit stirrer!
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:28am
      - itstricky
        
        But everyone knows I’m right. I’d be a liar if I said otherwise. Why aren’t you all upticking me? How very strange.
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:41am
      - Harkman
        
        “you’d be more than happy to face off with a weightlifter with a dick.”
        
        Actually, StickyDicky, it was you leftist SJWs that gave us tranny weirdos wanting to compete in women’s events. Most of us here want it stopped. The thing in question is actually leftie Dick Hubbard’s cheating son.
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:15am
      - itstricky
        
        I gave you nothing. I didn’t ask for trans-weightlifters. If you can quote me saying it is a great idea that should be adopted, go for it. Otherwise, please kindly refrain from telling me what I said, or did.
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:32am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        From the Gateway Pundit:
        President Trump went on a tweet storm Friday morning and said the reports of the language he used is fake news. It didn’t go down the way it’s being reported. Shocker!POTUS denied having said anything derogatory about Haitians. “Never said anything derogatory about Haitians other than Haiti is, obviously, a very poor and troubled country. Never said “take them out.” Made up by Dems. I have a wonderful relationship with Haitians. Probably should record future meetings – unfortunately, no trust!” Tweeted Trump.
        “The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made – a big setback for DACA!” Trump tweeted,
        CNN’s Fake Tapper admitted Friday morning in a tweetstorm that reporters twisted President Trump’s words. Imagine our shock!
        Tapper began with, “So how and why is President Trump denying the remarks that he reportedly said? I have some clarifying reporting from a source familiar the meeting. I want to start by saying that this does not make what he said any more acceptable, but it might shed some light on it all.
        The president did not refer to Haiti as a “shithole” country according to the source familiar with the meeting… though he DID say it about countries in Africa… What happened, the source says, is there was a conflation of two different remarks by the president,” Tapper tweeted.“First, when talking about “temporary protected status” countries as part of the immigration deal it was mentioned that Salvadorans, Hondurans and Haitians have that status.”
        ““Haitians?” the president said. “Why do we need more Haitians? Take them out” —- meaning take them out of the deal.” “Then in a separate part of the conversation when they were referencing the diversity visa lottery, President Trump referred to people coming from Africa as coming from “shithole countries.” Again, I’m not saying this is better. Just that this is what happened, per my source.”
        
        John Cardillo tweeted, “In this thread @jaketapper makes excuses for his anonymous source conflating statements, fabricating one, then attributing it to POTUS. This casts serious doubts whether or not Trump said any of this, yet Tapper is reporting as fact when he should be retracting until confirm.”
        Many are speculating that this ‘sh**hole’ story was drummed up to distract from Project Veritas’ bombshell undercover video exposing Twitter’s tactics to ban people who support Trump.
        
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        January 13, 2018 12:45pm
    - Ross12
      
      Paul Joseph Watson has one of his classics out on the issue. The comparison of Haiti with the Dominican Republic is very telling.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=LJdumFFPLqA
      
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      January 13, 2018 9:51am
  - stephieboy
    
    igm, but he tells us that is not what he meant !
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:15am
- calendar girl
  
  The UN itself has joined in the chorus of criticism of this particular Trump comment, describing it as “racist”.
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:19am
  - starboard
    
    Could somebody please dismantle the loony UN and consign it to the shithouse.
    Waste of money waste of space waste of time. Way past its use by date.
    Nighty nite.
    
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    January 13, 2018 8:23am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    See – even arguably the most powerful organisation in the world (The UN) are liars.
    
    They along with the various NGO acronyms spend their hundreds of billions of aid budget in these countries, decade after decade, because these countries are illiterate, don’t have clean water, little sanitation, low life expectancy and can’t grow enough food to feed their populations.
    
    By any any reasonable person’s definition, the above places are shitholes.
    
    But in these days of bedlam, accusing someone of being racist is more important than an honest reflection and stating the truth.
    
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    January 13, 2018 8:30am
    - igm
      
      They are pissed off because Donald has given their donations a haircut.
      
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      January 13, 2018 8:36am
      - itstricky
        
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        their donations a haircut
        
        That’s gotta be a joke, right?
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:01am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        exactly igm, itstricky is in full retard denial mode on absolutely everything now 🙂
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:00am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO ,”..an honest reflection and stating the truth. “
      
      An oxymoron if there ever was one coming from you !
      
      Jewish conspiracy theories , Holocaust denial , White Genocide , International financial collapse etc etc
      
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      January 13, 2018 9:18am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Don’t worry Stephieboy,
        
        Already Jews are out in the MSM using the “shithole” term to peddle white guilt and…..
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/12/racist-in-chief-shithole-countries-donald-trump-bigotry-historic-racism
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:21am
    - Digmen1
      
      They have never stopped any wars (except the Korean war.)
      All they do is plead for the fighting to stop.
      And condemn this and that.
      Its well past its use by date.
      
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      January 13, 2018 9:53am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Where was all the outrage when Obama said Libya had become a shit-show?
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/barack-obama-says-david-cameron-allowed-libya-to-become-a-s-show-a6923976.html
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:00am
    - itstricky
      
      Obama said Cameron had allowed the situation in Libya to become a shit show.
      
      Googling “words” and then putting them in a different context with a different meaning is not quite the same thing, Maggy.
      
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      January 13, 2018 9:03am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I don’t google words… I remember examples of MSM hypocrisy.
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:07am
      - itstricky
        
        Let’s read that again. “Cameron had allowed”, “the situation”…
        
        Does that sentence equal “Libya is a shit hole”?
        
        Exactly why do you think it is media hypocrisy? Because of the word “shit”?
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:13am
      - ztev
        
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        So you will know Trumps lies about his cancelled ~~shithole~~London trip?
        
        he says ‘the deal’ was a bad one done under Obama.
        
        When of course it was done under GW Bush
        https://uk.usembassy.gov/u-s-takes-first-steps-toward-embassy-relocation/
        
        ” I’m excited about America playing a role in the regeneration of the South Bank of London.” Says Ws Ambassador
        
        The cost was met as well by selling other US property in London
        
        But Trump tells lies all the time during his ~~daily twitter outbursts~~ ‘morning executive time’
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:17am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        ‘I remember examples of MSM hypocrisy’
        
        An extremely large and good memory then Maggy ☺
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:40am
      - itstricky
        
        An extremely large and good memory
        
        Oh yeah, she’s certainly hit the nail on the head with this one and use of the word ‘shit’
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:42am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Reading on… I see Vic Parking had similar recall of the Libya shit-show.
        (He posted before me)
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:59am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        it must be getting a bit crowded on the head of that pin itstricky
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:01am
      - itstricky
        
        head of that pin
        
        Is the pin called “reading comprehension”?
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:33am
      - itstricky
        
        C’mon Maggy. Tell us exactly why you think it is media hypocrisy…
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:39am
    - stephieboy
      
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      MW, this is a relevant portion of your link ,
      
      “..Mr Obama went on: “We actually executed this plan as well as I could have expected: We got a UN mandate, we built a coalition, it cost us $1bn – which, when it comes to military operations, is very cheap. We averted large-scale civilian casualties, we prevented what almost surely would have been a prolonged and bloody civil conflict. And despite all that, Libya is a mess.”
      
      Referring to that mess in private, Mr Obama reportedly uses the more colourful term, “shit show”.
      
      He was not suggesting Libya and its people were a “shit hole “as Trump and his supporters are suggesting .
      
      Do you believe along with the President that certain African countries and Haiti are shit holes ?
      
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      January 13, 2018 9:26am
      - Manolo
        
        Do you believe along with the President that certain African countries and Haiti are shit holes?
        
        Yes!
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:32am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        And of course, the Clintons made millions by diverting funds from the repair of Haiti into their own coffers.
        
        Democrat hypocrites (but I repeat myself) won’t admit that they are complicit in helping Haiti be a shithole.
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:47am
      - Digmen1
        
        No.
        Most of them are.
        Zimbabwe
        Congo
        Equatorial Guinea
        Niger
        Nigeria
        Libya
        Egypt
        Chad
        Southern Sudan
        Uganda
        
        That’s just off the top of my head.
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:56am
      - Harkman
        
        Does Labour pay you guys to troll in the weekend? Perhaps it is part of the internship program.
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:19am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        What would Norway be like if you replaced Norwegians with 5 million Haitians?
        
        Shithole
        
        What is Latvia but with 5 million Liberians?
        
        Shithole
        
        What is Switzerland but with 5 million Somalians?
        
        Shithole
        
        Stepheboy needs to wake up to some cold, hard truths…. Demographics are destiny.
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:25am
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo , I was asking Maggy W. Not you .We all know where you’re coming with your birther conspiracy beliefs , plus feeding off the teat of Fox , Breitbart etc
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:27am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        What, are you demanding a reply from me?
        You haven’t answered All-on-red’s question of just exactly who you are referring to when you label folks on here as alt-righters.
        
        And who were you referring to yesterday when you condemned migrants from that shithole of Czarist Russia
        Much the same as migrating from “shithole “czarist Russia
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2018/01/general_debate_12_january_2018.html#comment-2115326
        
        Just abuse eh?
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      MaggyW,
      
      “And who were you referring to yesterday when you condemned migrants from that shithole of Czarist Russia”
      
      I was not . I was referring to the way Xenophobic Americans at the time regarded Czarist Russia .
      
      Lets get back to the crap ( excuse pun ) you got yourself in over the word ” shit ,“from this post
      
      itstricky
      
      Let’s read that again. “Cameron had allowed”, “the situation”…
      
      Does that sentence equal “Libya is a shit hole”?
      
      Exactly why do you think it is media hypocrisy? Because of the word “shit”?
      
      PS I repeat that alt righters is a reasonable word to use when identifying many Trump supporters . In that regard I’m not answerable to you or All on Red for that matter .
      
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      January 13, 2018 12:19pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        How many is ‘many’?
        I would observe the white supremist movement is very small
        Their rallies usually only attract around 100 people.
        Let’s be honest. You just like smearing people with a Nazi tag
        Oh well, you’ll answer to a higher authority soon enough
        LOL
        
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        January 13, 2018 12:58pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red ,
        
        “many “means not everyone, I think
        
        “PS I repeat that alt righters is a reasonable word to use when identifying many Trump supporters ”
        
        Note I said “ many “ However that task becomes increasingly difficult if you do even a cursory glance at Rabid right keyboard warriors to day .
        
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        January 13, 2018 3:28pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    “Wraaaashisssst”
    
    The sound of an idiot who lost an arguement.
    
    Another Teddy gem:
    
    “You make a conservative angry by telling a lie, you make a socialist angry by telling the truth”.
    
    It’s so apposite, why would any sane person want to fill their country with people from shitholes?
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:58am
  - cmm
    
    The UN’s job isn’t done until the whole world is a shit hole.
    
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    January 13, 2018 11:15am
  - GoVege
    
    It’s actually got very little to do with “racism”.
    These places really are “shitholes” sadly, because they are stuck in the dark ages.
    Someone said a country is judged by the way it treats it’s women and it’s animals.
    All “shitholes” treat their women and animals like….well, shit.
    Where half the population is effectively disabled (often literally), by being bashed and abused all the time, no such society will succeed.
    So they see the West doing well and they want to go there, not realizing that if they bring their “shithole” customs with them, they will turn the West into shitholes too!
    (Excuse the vulgar language.)
    
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    January 13, 2018 11:52am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      overbreeding muzzies
      (excuse the vulgar language – overbreeding).
      
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      January 13, 2018 11:10pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What did Trump actually say? Is there a recording or transcript of the meeting?
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:38am
  - Ross12
    
    From what I’ve read a few Dems and Republicans put forward an immigration plan at the meeting which Trump rejected or did not like so they leaked his comment from the meeting.
    
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    January 13, 2018 8:47am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      So, no actual proof yet, just a claim by Trump’s enemies that “he said…”
      
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      January 13, 2018 8:57am
      - igm
        
        Who cares, it is the truth, they are shitholes.
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:07am
      - stephieboy
        
        Odakyu-sen , there you are igm has answered your question !
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:28am
    - itstricky
      
      From what I’ve read a few Dems and Republicans put forward an immigration plan at the meeting which Trump rejected or did not like so they leaked his comment from the meeting.
      
      It’s Dem Dem’s fault Trump can’t control his mouth!
      
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      January 13, 2018 9:22am
    - Harkman
      
      It was full of amnesty for the parents and every other third worlder, who even thinks of visiting America. If true, Trump’s response was pretty calm, logical and deeply thoughtful.
      
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      January 13, 2018 10:24am
  - wiseowl
    
    Oda
    ‘why do we have to take people from those shitholes anyway”
    or something like that.
    Should have heard the yank on talkback in the early hours.She has been here 40 years and lambasted Trump bigtime.Probably something like glittertits in her early days here.
    
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    January 13, 2018 8:54am
- VicParking
  
  When Obama made a similar comment about Libya it did not raise a mention by the MSM.
  The whole thing is just a ploy by the Democrats to derail their amnesty plan which was not getting good ratings….mentioned by MSM no.
  Democratic Senator in a speech uses the term “Chain Migration”..not a mention, Trump repeats and he’s a racist and should lead the KKK.
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:42am
  - Scott
    
    Vic Parking is right. The whole thing is a set up by the Democrats. That’s why minority whip Dick Durbin has gone on the record confirming Trump’s use of profanity and having vapours about it.
    First thing is that Lyndon Johnson used profanity all the time when he was president.
    Second thing is that the bipartisan meeting on camera with Trump and Republicans and Democrats went very well. It showed Trump in a good light and made real bipartisan compromise possible on the thorny subject of immigration.
    
    The Democrats can’t allow Trump to look good. So they have intentionally scuttled the meeting by saying that when the cameras were off Trump called Haiti a shit hole. And confirmed it on the record.
    
    The Democrats have intentionally decided to be the resistance and not cooperate with trump at all. They have intentionally scuttled the bipartisan progress for political gain. In the process they are quite happy to sacrifice the so called dreamers.
    
    They don’t actually care about the dreamers. If they did they wouldn’t be stirring up animus against trump. They are happy to sacrifice the dreamers for political power. All they want to do is bring down trump. Everything else is just commentary.
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:28am
  - stephieboy
    
    VicParking , this is what the former President actually said ,
    
    “..Mr Obama went on: “We actually executed this plan as well as I could have expected: We got a UN mandate, we built a coalition, it cost us $1bn – which, when it comes to military operations, is very cheap. We averted large-scale civilian casualties, we prevented what almost surely would have been a prolonged and bloody civil conflict. And despite all that, Libya is a mess.”
    
    Referring to that mess in private, Mr Obama reportedly uses the more colourful term, “shit show”.
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/barack-obama-says-david-cameron-allowed-libya-to-become-a-s-show-a6923976.html
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:30am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    It’s different when the left do it
    
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    January 13, 2018 2:48pm
- Manolo
  
  And shitholes they are!
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:03am
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, including your fatherland ?
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:31am
    - Manolo
      
      Absolutely! 😀
      
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      January 13, 2018 9:42am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Well done Manolo.
        That took the wind out of stephiedickhead’s sails. 🙂
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:50am
      - ztev
        
        All presidents swear in private.
        
        But this was formal meeting in the Whitehouse with a large attendance of legislators.
        It was intended to show Trumps ‘leadership’ but instead showed in the matters discussed , hes a clueless buffoon- agreeing to the democrats position which was contrary to his own.
        So was ‘reminded of his previous stance’ by the republicans, so Trump immediately reversed himself and agreed with them.
        
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        January 13, 2018 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  Previous Presidents, in ‘off the record’ situations have used street language, and obviously not reported. To cap it off, does anyone honestly believe Clinton spoke like a gentleman while he was being blown by Monica?
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:15am
  - flipper
    
    Excellent recall.
    Lyndon Baines Johnson once told his special emissary to de Gaulle:
    “Ask fucking de Gaulle when he would like us to remove the graves of 60,000 American citizens from France.”
    
    The reference, paraphrased, was made following France withdrawal from NATO, and request that all foreign troops, including those from USA, leave immediately France.
    That question was put to de Gaulle notwithstanding the emissary’s objection to Johnson. de Gaulle did not say anything in response, but stood up and left the room, ignoring his questioner.
    Source: RUMSFELD, the emissary and the messenger of truth.
    The graves remain.
    Truth requires real balls.
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:38am
    - waripori
      
      This discussion about Trump’s remarks ( which are verified) misses the point. He is probably right that Haiti is a shithole give Papa Doc and the earthquake as well as sundry hurricanes. He is probably right about bits of Africa, although describing the whole continent that way seems a bit broad brush. Equally he was wrong to use that term on the record as it makes him appear crude and ill advised but probably no big deal considering the other things he has said.
      
      The problem is that he asked why America was getting immigrants from Shit holes like Haiti, Africa and ( I think ) central American countries and not from Norway. It was not lost on anyone anywhere that the immigrants he does not want are black or brown and the ones he does want are white. The Charlottesville crowd hear untermenschen bad, aryan good.
      
      This does not make Trump a Nazi but it certainly gets him the support of those who are and it makes him more and more beholden to his “base”.
      
      America needs a President who can bring the country together and Trump could have been the man as he is not ideological . He is putting himself into an increasingly unpleasant corner.
      
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      January 13, 2018 11:10am
      - Ross12
        
        waripori
        I’m not sure they are verified remarks. The original Washington Post article apparently quoted two sources who were not at the meeting. David Perdue and Tom Cotton , who were at the meeting don’t recall the remarks but confirm Trump called out the imbalance in the current immigration system.
        Who do you believe –those people who were there or those who were not? I think Scott @ 9.28 is onto it.
        
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        January 13, 2018 11:26am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        It was not lost on anyone anywhere that the immigrants he does not want are black or brown
        
        Can you blame him? Israel even pays the Africans (infiltrators as Netanyahu calls them) to FO elsewhere.
        
        You need to seriously ask yourself are shithole countries in that state because of the people that built them or just because of some happenstance of history or accident of geography?
        
        Did Europe, Australia, New Zealand and North America become what they are because of its people or is it just magic dirt huh?
        
        Did the Chicago of the West become become “Detroit” because the magic dirt blew away?
        
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        January 13, 2018 11:40am
      - waripori
        
        Ross 12
        From the NYT
        TOP NEWS
        Senator Insists Trump Used ‘Vile,’ ‘Racist’ Language
        By EILEEN SULLIVAN 2:03 PM ET
        
        Senator Richard J. Durbin, Democrat of Illinois, said that President Trump did use the term “shithole,” repeatedly, during a meeting on immigration — which Mr. Durbin attended.
        
        There are no credible denials of what he said.
        
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        January 13, 2018 11:54am
      - Ross12
        
        waripori
        Here is a copy of the tweet I referred to
        
        “David Perdue
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        @sendavidperdue
        In regards to Sen. Durbin’s accusation, @SenTomCotton and I do not recall the President saying these comments specifically but what he did call out was the imbalance in our current immigration system, which does not protect American workers and our national interest.
        
        7:00 AM – Jan 13, 2018”
        
        Sure, he could be going into bat for the boss but we all know who the NYT bats for .
        
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        January 13, 2018 1:03pm
      - GoVege
        
        EAD…you’re talking rubbish again!
        Hone Harawera was 100% correct when he said that Aotearoa was a Polynesian paradise before white motherf***ers invaded the place.
        Reports of cannibalism were just stories made up to sell newspapers in Britain, and Maori had an excellent moa-breeding programme in place before brutish Pakeha settlers kidnapped and finished off the last poor moas.
        
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        January 13, 2018 1:18pm
  - ztev
    
    Was any of the other presidents using these terms in highly formal situations ?
    The whole meeting was a shambles by Trump, yet is was designed to show his leadership skills.
    
    The next day when the ‘shitstorm’ hits his press conference he runs away when the questions are the obvious ones.
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:48am
    - Harkman
      
      I think you’re confusing a “shitstorm” with a “shithole.” Big difference.
      
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      January 13, 2018 11:21am
  - MH
    
    we are awaiting a blow by blow account of the affair which has stained his reputation.
    
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    January 13, 2018 2:03pm
Yvette

Justine Sachs, letter writer to Lorde, describes herself as New Zealand “Jewish”.

Sachs does however advocate a secular solution to the Israel / Palestinian conflict – secular rather than Jewish as in Israel, or Islamic as in the cause of the Palestinians.
In writing to Lorde, discouraging her Tel Aviv concert, Justine Sachs did not admit this – that she in fact does not support the ultimate ambitions of either Israel or the Palestinians – advocating a secular solution is not acceptable to the Palestinians, despite her association with BDS suggesting she does support them.

A pity Lorde made her decision without waiting for any real background on either letter writer to emerge.
Or to find Ringo Starr will play Tel Aviv in the month that Lorde won’t.
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January 13, 2018 8:09am
- mandk
  
  Good bloke, Sir Richard Starkey.
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:21am
- tf78
  
  Wasn’t Sachs borne in South Africa – can’t really be a kiwi then can she. She should bugger off back to where she came from.
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:21am
- Inandout
  
  Lorde as become Lewde.
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:16am
- Harkman
  
  Lorde needs better management. They’re making her look ridiculous.
  
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  January 13, 2018 10:27am
Duxton

I know who Ringo Starr is. Who is Lorde?
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January 13, 2018 8:14am
- Longknives
  
  Duxton-
  Lorde is a ‘One Hit Wonder’ who puts out computer generated ‘teeny bopper’ music for kids.
  She is a bit of a joke in The States for her horrendously bad dancing and spouting Left Wing nonsense (Because being a 20 year old with one hit song makes you an expert on the World see?)
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:35am
  - holysheet
    
    Bit like marvelous lizzy?
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:28am
  - ztev
    
    Do you even have ‘one hit song’ longknives, to make you a world expert
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:18am
    - sooty
      
      Does she sing the anthem as well?
      
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      January 13, 2018 11:03am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      So only one hit wonder people can have an opinion about other one hit wonder people ?
      Good one.
      
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      January 13, 2018 11:17pm
  - MT_Tinman
    
    Lords; creator of christ-awful noise inexplicably appreciated by some young people.
    
    We were told she would be another two minute wonder but years later she makes headlines worldwide by cancelling a gig in Israel.
    
    Could those doing the telling years ago have once again been wrong?
    
    Note: I make no comment about the cancellation, if only because I don’t give a shit.
    
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    January 13, 2018 11:49am
  - SGA
    
    Longknives
    
    Lorde is a ‘One Hit Wonder’
    
    Well… her first album went to number 1 in Aus & NZ, 2 in Canada, 3 in the US, 4 in the UK, and was nominated for a Grammy.
    Her second album went to number 1 in Aus, NZ, Canada, & US, and 5 in the UK, and has been nominated for a Grammy.
    
    Literally thousands of musicians would love to be a “one hit wonder” at all, let alone one with that sort of success. Like it or not, Longknives, she’s already achieved a lot more in her short life than you and me combined.
    (and, “no”, I’m not a fan, but someone has to add a little perspective here occasionally).
    
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    January 13, 2018 12:54pm
- VicParking
  
  To quote Howard Stern “A Shithead”
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:46am
Manolo

Keeping a cautious eye on the market:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/12/merrill-lynch-stock-funds-rake-in-24-billion-in-the-first-week.html

Investor money gushed into stock-based funds during the first full week of trading in 2018, another potential trigger sign of an overheated market.
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January 13, 2018 8:25am
- dime
  
  I’ve been waiting for an epic pullback for a year.. But the fundamentals are actually OK. There are always a few overpriced outliers.
  
  I think the market has a bit left in it.
  
  The tax cuts will certainly help.
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:06am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Yeah, the Dow has set another record again.
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:30am
    - GazzaW
      
      And conversely the NZX has gone consistently backwards this week. The Business Confidence index is starting to tell.
      
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      January 13, 2018 10:20am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, ready to put all your life savings and investments in US stocks now your magic wand is in power ?
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:33am
  - Manolo
    
    Diversification is the best strategy of a wise investor. I’ve done that all my time in the investment markets, dear stephieboy.
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:36am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, but surely the President can wave his magic wand and turn everything into” gold “ judging by your more recent posts .
      
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      January 13, 2018 9:39am
      - Manolo
        
        No one can do that, stephieboy, not even the messiah Obama.
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:41am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Stephieboy can’t help but continue to be shown up as the stephiedickhead he is.
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:54am
      - VicParking
        
        Your confusing Trump with the tooth fairy, on many levels
        
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        January 13, 2018 1:00pm
      - holysheet
        
        Sorry Manolo but you are wrong. Our fat tubby finance minister will be doing just that this year.
        
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        January 13, 2018 6:18pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    In just the same way that I doubt all your life savings is in failing green industries like wind farms and Tesla
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:18am
  - Harkman
    
    Why then is Labour putting billions in the stock market instead of cancer meds & schools?
    
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    January 13, 2018 11:24am
Digmen1

Yes Americans put their spare cash into the Sharemarket.
We put our spare cash into rental properties.
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January 13, 2018 8:29am
- cmm
  
  And why not?
  
  It is easier to predict the future with rentals than it is with businesses. The government that might put up the company tax (because Trump shifted it down and we can’t be seen to be doing the same thing as Trump) and put up the minimum wage to $25.
  
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  January 13, 2018 11:21am
flipper

Jerusalem has pretty much always been a tri-partite religious “shrine” – Christian, Jewish, and Muslim.
The advocates for change are
Christian – NO
Jewish – NO
Muslim – YES.
The party poopers to peace can get stuffed.
Chamberlain’s appeasement -type “solutions” never work. Ask the Holocaust victims!
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January 13, 2018 8:31am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes I’m going to enjoy watching Israel gradually push the Palestinians out of the East bank.
  
  The Palestinians have had 50 years to “make peace” with Israel. But they don’t want to.
  
  So now they just rely on the United Nations to fund their lifestyle in refugee camps.
  
  They have gone for 500,000 refugees to 7 million now!
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:35am
  - KH
    
    So you are going to enjoy it digman ? Shows you up as quite deficent to be acceptable in New Zealand.
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:07am
  - realityczech
    
    “Yes I’m going to enjoy watching Israel gradually push the Palestinians out of the East bank.”
    
    Yes I’m going to enjoy watching Germany gradually push the Jews out of the Eastern Europe.
    
    It appears we have learnt nothing.
    
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    January 13, 2018 3:50pm
  - realityczech
    
    “The Palestinians have had 50 years to “make peace” with Israel. But they don’t want to.”
    
    The Jew had ample opportunity to make peace with the Nazi’s but they did not want to.
    
    What exactly is your point here ?
    
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    January 13, 2018 3:56pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Christian – NO “ ??
  
  “Evidence for that other than Trump’s Christian supporters ?
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:35am
  - flipper
    
    Try reading learning the views 0f the Orthodox Christian Church asshole before you open your hole again.
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:46am
    - stephieboy
      
      flipper , there are many different kinds ion christian denominations using Jerusalem . Not only Orthodox.
      
      Abuse is the last refuge of a loser !
      
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      January 13, 2018 12:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Which loser got a warning for abuse from DPF yesterday
        That’s right- you
        So funny
        
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        January 13, 2018 12:51pm
      - VicParking
        
        You would know stephie.
        
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        January 13, 2018 1:01pm
      - stephieboy
        
        It was not abuse such as , asshole “ as per above. Nor “ shit hole “ for that matter
        
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        January 13, 2018 3:33pm
- realityczech
  
  “Ask the Holocaust victims!”
  
  flipout what have the Russians got to do with this ? Or the Gypsy’s , or Slavs ?
  
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  January 13, 2018 3:46pm
- realityczech
  
  “Christian – NO
  Jewish – NO
  Muslim – YES.”
  
  Liberating the ancestral lands of the Germanic people in world war 2:
  
  Christian – YES
  Jewish – NO
  Muslim – YES.
  
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  January 13, 2018 3:54pm
Digmen1

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”

That’s what I say to myself when I go to the mall, or Auckland airport.
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January 13, 2018 8:32am
- Viking2
  
  Because Helen decided that it was a good idea.
  Didn’t bother to ask anyone who pays tax.
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:41am
  - wiseowl
    
    And National Viking
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:04am
    - ztev
      
      Yes national said YES to an extra 600 erfugees from Syria and YES to 150 per year from Manus Is
      
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      January 13, 2018 10:09am
  - stephieboy
    
    V2 , did Helen decide ?? National administrations were also not involved ?
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:13am
- doggone7
  
  That’s probably what some Maori said when your ancestors arrived here. Or were they reasonable people and it’s only their downstreamers which show they should have stayed home?
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:54am
  - Digmen1
    
    Reminds me of some Billy T sketches!
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:05am
    - Digmen1
      
      Some glue for your children!
      
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      January 13, 2018 10:49am
  - lifesgood
    
    Don’t make me laugh, doggone. The Maori tribes said it about each other. The tribes hated each other, constantly fought, stole land off each other and then ate the people they killed. NZers have long been fed myths about the Maori, it’s about time the truth was told. Goodness, even the much rewarded and praised Ngati Whatua of Auckland stole their land off another tribe. Revisionist history to suit an agenda is dangerous, over time it is seen as fact.
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:22am
    - softail 1450
      
      lifesgood, I see willie’s down ticked you….
      
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      January 13, 2018 12:34pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Yep, as expected!
        
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        January 13, 2018 1:07pm
    - GoVege
      
      Ngati Whatua are just usurpers who stole Auckland off another tribe after beating them with superior weapons.
      Maori all know it and talk about it amongst themselves.
      They don’t talk about it in public because they need to present a united front to extract more dosh out of the Pakeha.
      But one day they will speak up and start suing each other.
      
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      January 13, 2018 1:34pm
- stigie
  
  “Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?”
  
  Well, people like Aldo would love our country where we have the latest in shaving technics and equipment for their wives and daughters, i mean just ask the cockies in Wainui and Eketahuna..?
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:55am
  - VicParking
    
    The MSM can’t have it both ways. If they are not “Shithole” countries why do we need to accept so called “refugees” from them.
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:03am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Why does the west pay so much aid to these “shit hole” countries that are, according to Trump’s detractors are on a par with developed countries?
      
      Get rid of the UN.
      
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      January 13, 2018 9:07am
      - GoVege
        
        The UN was supposed to keep the peace and prevent more world wars.
        Unfortunately they have become bogged down in political correctness and are too afraid to call a spade a spade.
        
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        January 13, 2018 1:37pm
VicParking

I see the PM is back in the country. Must be very hard for her to be a public figure when there are no schools open. Can I suggest play centres, they are back in business.
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January 13, 2018 8:52am
- flipper
  
  The toothfairy is pimping for the electronic media already.
  She obviously told them that they should report that she was “visibly upset” at J Anderton’s funeral. Carole Anderton is a smart and very likeable lady, Her late husband had none of the class of his father. But Carole is the one that might be accurately described as “visibly upset” — not the nettletooth eater from Auckland.
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:25am
  - stephieboy
    
    flipper , still suffering PTSD since the poll last year ?
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:37am
    - flipper
      
      Nah …
      Just waiting for this illegitimate regime to explode.
      The dumbasses will need more than the dyke-like apologists such bas you to survive just 18 months,. Merkel believed she couldn’t so she is trying again. Perhaps you and your cruddy idiot fellow travellers could follow suit?
      Nah…
      You are all too shit scared of l0osing those baubles.
      
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      January 13, 2018 10:56am
      - stephieboy
        
        flipper , your post is full of anger, and sulking tantrums .
        
        You never win an argument by rattling your cot sides .
        
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        January 13, 2018 12:26pm
  - Harkman
    
    At that funeral even the Priest was a Marxist.
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:55am
    - stephieboy
      
      Harkman , there you are the rational mind of a homegrown alt righter.
      
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      January 13, 2018 12:26pm
      - Harkman
        
        “alt righter”
        
        Again, there is no such thing.
        
        I’m wondering, if Hillary gave you permission to plagiarize her speeches?
        
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        January 13, 2018 2:39pm
VicParking

Canada’s Justin Trudeau has complained to the WTO about unfair trade practices by the “Trump Administration”. Tariffs on Canadian Lumber imports which Canada subsidies. They did this one week before they are due to start Trade negotiations with the USA. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
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January 13, 2018 9:01am
- Inandout
  
  Ah Vic, boys will be boys.
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:39am
Maggy Wassilieff

Time for NIWA and the Met Office to loosen their grip on our weather and climate data.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/348014/grip-on-weather-data-too-tight-report

Their data belongs to us – the taxpayers. It’s not theirs for funding grand ivory towers with big flash computers.

Release all our data or forgo our Taxes!
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January 13, 2018 9:16am
- stephieboy
  
  MW, you forgot too ,climate change ?
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:37am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Indeed Maggy; big ups to Phil Duncan from Weather Watch, who has been pushing for this for several years, but running up against a bureaucratic brick wall.
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:47am
- ztev
  
  “big flash computers.”
  
  Only an ignorant ranter who doesnt realise ‘big flash computers’ are essential for modern forecasting.
  As well , spare capacity in off peak usage, can be sold for research or commercial use.
  Its not much point Metservice/NIWAs computers being smaller than WETAs
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/technology/weta-digital-niwa-own-nzs-fastest-computers-2010060323
  
  The reason both have them is because of the finer detail they provide for the finished product
  
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  January 13, 2018 10:06am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    I doubt either organisation can top the GCSB for number crunching capability.
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:44am
    - ztev
      
      Evidence?
      Computers that monitor internet data are surprisingly low computation ability. They might have a room with racks of blade computers.
      Likely they use them for bitcoin mining instead- just saying
      
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      January 13, 2018 12:27pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Internet? Honestly do you think Echelon needs a partner who just watches the internet?
        
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        January 13, 2018 2:19pm
      - ztev
        
        GCSB has a role in cyber security for government and major nz corporates.
        Echelon of course mostly watches the internet backbone…. well we think so. .. but heaps of other stuff as well.
        
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        January 13, 2018 7:11pm
- MCos
  
  I read yesterday that in one of those Scandinavian countries everyone’s tax return data is publicly available.
  That’s not the case in NZ . . . . yet, but when the revolution comes all data held by the servants of the people will be freely available.
  That’s one way to put Hager & Slater out of business.
  
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  January 13, 2018 10:25am
- KevOB
  
  Release the original data before adjustments.
  
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  January 13, 2018 10:40am
holysheet

Why should the taxpayer give away this data for nothing? It’s cost us money to collect. If some app maker wants to use this data to on sell to his clients, then they should expect to pay the taxpayer something for it’s collection.
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January 13, 2018 9:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  These were the terms of reference for the report:
  http://www.mbie.govt.nz/about/whats-happening/news/2016/open-access-to-weather-data-report/?searchterm=NIWA%2A
  
  Remember Jacinda has promised us open, transparent government.
  
  PWC argues that NIWA and Met Office control on our data is stifling innovation. It could well be endangering public safety.
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, those terms were dated 5 September 2016. What happened between that date and 23 September 2017 .
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:42am
  - ztev
    
    Get this bit :
    “MetService and NIWA unfairly commercialise tax funded data for their own commercial gains”.
    
    Metservice and NIWA are commercially oriented and are expected to raise additional money above what the taxpayers provide.
    
    Weatherwatch does the same yet bleats about the deal its getting.
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:00am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Well I agree.
  
  But the same can be said for everything held by the government. After all, it’s all official information and the ‘desperately seeking relevance’ types like Bryce thingy and the NZ Initiative Warby guy get all panty-waisted when they don’t get what they want and are campaigning that the taxpayers should foot the bill for everything they want immediately regardless of cost or the provisions of the OIA.
  
  The OIA makes everything a freebie, and one look at food banks or charities and we know what happens to freebies. The demand exponentially outstrips the supply, no matter how great the supply!
  
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  January 13, 2018 10:16am
Harriet

Slap an agreeable wife or girlfriend on the bum in public, often. #slapdownpc

Thanks to the New Zealand police and civilian government for not differentiating between women, most kiwi women are no longer much fun to be with in public, but relationships need fun to survive, and society needs to thrive; disagreeable women can always become lesbians, join the police, and deal with real cases of assault against females. There, it’s all fixed. 😎
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January 13, 2018 9:46am
stephieboy

This is what the rational and sane world is up against when one tries to tackle climate change denialism and many of their followers ,

“Conspiracy Theorists, Climate Change Deniers, & The Rejection of Science”

Research and publications about conspiracy ideation from 2012 and 2013 are newly relevant in today’s political climate. The US is led by a Denier in Chief who rose to power in part based on his strident trumpeting of conspiracy theories about Obama’s birth. He’s appeared on Alex Jones’s Infowars, conspiracy theory central in 2017. His followers believe things which boggle the imagination, including that some of the most respected news agencies in the world are leftist providers of fake news….

….The research shows a strong overlap between climate change deniers and conspiracy theorists, and many of them are happy about it. Not all climate change “skeptics” are conspiracy theorists, but belief in one or more conspiracy theories is a very strong predictor of denial of climate science, and denial of climate science is a decent predictor of belief in conspiracy theories…. “

https://cleantechnica.com/2017/12/10/conspiracy-theorists-climate-change-deniers-rejection-science/
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January 13, 2018 9:52am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  hmm so you quote agenda-driven junk social science in support of climate alarmists’ junk science to show that climate alarmists’ junk science isn’t really junk science?
  
  Okaaayyy!
  
  But pursuing a socialist agenda that has demonstrably cost hundreds of millions of lives while suggesting capitalism has failed (when it has lifted hundreds of millions of lives out of extreme poverty) is rational?
  
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  January 13, 2018 10:07am
  - stephieboy
    
    DP ,these Nobel Laureates are a part of an “agenda drive junk science ” ?
    
    http://time.com/3945630/lindau-nobel-laureates-meetings/
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:17am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Yet Dr’s Barry Marshall and Robin Warren were pilloried by their peers for their theory that stomach ulcers are caused by bacteria. Despite strong empirical evidence and analysis their repeated attempts to publish and present their findings were rejected by the establishment as it went against the prevailing “science is settled” view. Today both are Nobel Prize winners and antibiotics are a frontline treatment against stomach ulcers.
  All science should be able to be challenged and no counternance to prevailing theories should be dismissed.
  
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  January 13, 2018 10:53am
- Peter
  
  Look, we’ve seen through the left ‘climate’ agenda – so why bother?
  
  Surely there are some gullible teenagers that would be more worth your time and ‘effort’?
  
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  January 13, 2018 3:35pm
DifferentPerspective

True love and romance wins out

This is such a heart-warming tale about extremely honest non-Manchurian candidate Huma Abedin and non-pizza loving pervert Antony Weiner – the family values glamour couple of the Clinton camp. They’re not getting divorced! Awww – sweet.

(Until of course you recognise that staying married would allow them to hide behind spousal privilege meaning they couldn’t testify against each other on the Clinton emails conspiracy).
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January 13, 2018 10:11am
- cmm
  
  Come on watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Ntw2asHfU
  
  Clearly they are in it for their mutual love and respect.
  
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  January 13, 2018 11:38am
stephieboy

DP,

“The family values glamour couple of the Clinton camp”

This guy too ?

http://www.tampabay.com/opinion/columns/ruth-trump-is-no-boy-scout-in-speech-to-scouts/2331628
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January 13, 2018 10:20am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  So what are your thoughts on Anthony Weiner?
  
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  January 13, 2018 11:00am
  - Harkman
    
    It’s called a selective memory.
    
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    January 13, 2018 11:27am
  - stephieboy
    
    Salicious Crumb , all I know is the POTUS has been there and done that !
    
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    January 13, 2018 12:29pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      That is a truly facile response to a reasonable question.
      
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      January 13, 2018 12:36pm
Digmen1

Mmm
You pay a porn star to open her mouth.
Then you pay her lots more to keep it closed.
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January 13, 2018 11:18am
cmm

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11974213

“It’s clearly very under-designed.” and broke when a 75kg kid grabbed the ring.

Hmmm, perhaps.

Other alternatives:
* It was adequately designed, but the wrong materials were used.
* Shitty weld (it looks like it broke at the weld).
* It was tampered vandalised by three 120kg blokes hanging off it and trying to break it.
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January 13, 2018 11:30am
- realityczech
  
  A bleeding lip. Big deal. The little prick should be made to pay reparation and get a punch in the head for running to the media.
  
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  January 13, 2018 6:00pm
stigie

Finally a journalist has come out about Peter’s antics before the election and after !~

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/100307060/peters-top-of-the-political-pops-with-willingness-to-exploit-wonky-system
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January 13, 2018 11:54am
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  Finally a journalist has come out about Peter’s antics before the election and after !~
  
  Do you mean Peters’ or Peter’s? (Punctuation makes a difference in this case.)
  
  Peters’ = Winston Peters
  Peter’s = Peter Davis
  
  Just checking if there’s some gossip about Helen and Peter that I missed!
  
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  January 13, 2018 4:15pm
  - stigie
    
    My punctuation can be shite Nostra but can bet it’s slightly better than Philu’s (aka Phool).
    We here hope you can keep us informed on the professor’s movements ole chap..?
    
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    January 13, 2018 5:30pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Both have plenty of antics to talk about.
    
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    January 13, 2018 5:52pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    I wondered the same Nostra, and was horribly disappointed to find it was just Winnie. ?
    
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    January 13, 2018 7:14pm
Manolo

Funny tweet from Stephen Miller:
“I just received an email from a Nigerian prince claiming that he cancelled my five million dollar check due to Trump’s disrespectful comments towards his country.”
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January 13, 2018 12:01pm
MH

I’m convinced ztev must be a computer, it has an opinion on everything, mostly prickly and contrary and quotes sources almost instantly. how does he/she get the time to read and rewrite these epics. I see a line of people each with their own old IBM computer 50m high belching out ticker tape into recycling bins but as always a mysterious Voldemort figure supervising it all.

I hope dear viewers watched the programme on Afghan girls going to madrasa schools? Chilling, not a smile to be seen,childhood subjected to memorising the Qu’ran in Voldemort black robes. Holy shitholes.
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January 13, 2018 12:02pm
- ztev
  
  My secret ?
  The day before , I select background for stories that I think might make it on kiwiblog the next day.
  
  The rest, well plenty of stuff is recycled. After all, English language might have 250k words excluding chemical formula.
  Yet most people get by on 2k .
  I get by with about 50 verified background facts.
  
  But every day I find new but niche ones , eg Bill English is a balletomane- (thats why they got a funding boost but other ‘high arts’ didnt.)
  
  Of course fits with his real persona, a high art intellectual with degree in medieval literature, not the fake one as the farmer from Dipton. But you cant tell national supporters that, so I slap them around the chops with it as often as poosible- It works!
  
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  January 13, 2018 12:38pm
  - sooty
    
    You think, l think your just a sad twisted bullshit artist.
    
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    January 13, 2018 12:44pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Your dedication to shilling for team red is truly impressive ztev. Will they ever do anything worthy of your scorn?
    
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    January 13, 2018 12:50pm
  - niggly
    
    Crikey Ztev, such dedication and determination, all from a casual commentator so-to-speak!
    
    Hats off to you I suppose, but you really need to shop your CV to the Lab/Greens Comm’s or Research Units, I mean you could be paid good money to work from home, cruising the blogs and posting at leisure praising LabGreens and attacking National/ACT/Maori Party … oh wait?!!
    
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    January 13, 2018 12:53pm
  - niggly
    
    In all seriousness Ztev, with your knowledge of NZ politics I notice you don’t appear to post anything about (for or against) Winston Peters/NZF? Surely you must have some interesting observations and viewpoints on the man, after all he’s been around for 40 years as NZ’s longest serving charlatan?
    
    Any reason why this is so and would you care to share any? Or does it not suit your Left-leaning agenda at present? 😉
    
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    January 13, 2018 1:01pm
    - ztev
      
      ‘Charlatan’ will be keeping you lot out of power- what not to love about that.
      In reality hes a harder worker than Key, who was notorious for delegating everything and I mean everything to colleagues and his staff. But politics isnt about building blocks, its about turning up. Hes the only one Ive met face to face and that was 20 years ago. He has a huge political skills which most dont have, eg English
      
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      January 13, 2018 1:27pm
      - niggly
        
        You met him 20 years ago – were you part of the 1996 Labour team negotiating with NZF to form a govt by chance?!! 😉
        
        I can see Winston “works hard”, but that’s to attain personal power for the sake of it (and not for all). I wouldn’t class that as a positive (especially in comparison with John Key’s achievements obtaining international respect for guiding NZ through the GFC etc)!
        
        Anyway what’s Winston actually done for NZ that sets him apart from the likes of Key and even Clark?
        
        Go on admit it, you just like him because he has a machiavellian personality – just like you! Nothing more, and nothing else!
        
        (Gee I could almost imagine you being Winnie yourself – after all you post all day so don’t seem to any work like the man himself – but even Winnie would have better things to do than spend time on KB)! 😉
        
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        January 13, 2018 1:34pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Works hard? As recounted by former PMs who recount his turning up to cabinet with his briefing papers unopened. Yeah sounds like a dedicated type alright.
        
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        January 13, 2018 1:48pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Us National supporters already know that Bill English is a decent, caring family guy, who wants to improve the life style of all New Zealand who want to work hard.
    
    What is Jacinda?
    A middle aged woman with no children, living in sin who wants to turn NZ into a socialist cess pit. Handing out free money to anyone who does not want to work.
    
    Our team will always beat yours.
    
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    January 13, 2018 1:53pm
    - niggly
      
      I think maybe us KB’ers have misunderstood Ztev all these years!
      
      Maybe he’s not really a closet LabGreens supporter!
      
      Maybe he’s a closet old-school Leftie-NZF supporter! Ya know the old-school anti “neo-lib” reforms type, moved away from the 1980’s/90’s Labour towards NZF! (Either that or the Alliance perhaps)!
      
      Probably has a pin-up personally signed picture of Tracey Martin on his wall!
      
      Explains the hate for National/ACT/Maori Party and the luv for Labour (for the timebeing anyway)!
      
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      January 13, 2018 2:23pm
    - sam green
      
      “A middle aged woman with no children, living in sin“
      
      Say hi to the 1950’s for us.
      
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      January 13, 2018 2:24pm
    - Harriet
      
      “…..Bill English is a decent, caring family guy, who wants to improve the life style of all New Zealand who want to work hard…. single mothers…….Handing out free money to anyone who does not want to work.”
      
      Bullshit.
      
      Key himself said WFF was communist – and English then increased the payments……..the payments to responsible, reliable, healthy, educated – parents already in work! They aren’t single mothers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      
      WFF is NOT a tax break if you then also don’t receive pay rises, it’s then a national liability – until the youngest child is an adult!!!
      
      Are you suggesting that businesses in NZ fail to pay their adult staff enough to feed and house their families – and Bill English is simply acknowledging that reality? 😎
      
      NZ is far more socialist than most people realise – and I’m talking most National voters!
      
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      January 13, 2018 3:14pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Couldn’t agree more Harriet. Socialism by any color is still socialism and is inherently theft.
        As a commentor on here said pre-election “Being less crap than Labour doesn’t make a good government”. Never a truer word written.
        
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        January 13, 2018 4:10pm
      - Manolo
        
        Hear, hear!
        
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        January 14, 2018 6:50am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Middle-aged no kids living in sin ?
      Get fucked – and I voted National.
      
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      January 14, 2018 12:01am
holysheet

Just for you music lovers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnZ1NQm2uk
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January 13, 2018 12:18pm
- Digmen1
  
  What is the song?
  Whats its about?
  Why would I love it?
  
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  January 13, 2018 12:34pm
  - niggly
    
    You need to look and listen 🙂
    
    Fab musos and awesome singers (Ariana Savalas gorgeous voice nails it) 🙂
    
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    January 13, 2018 12:38pm
    - Digmen1
      
      I’m into 70’s heavy rock.
      Would I like them?
      
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      January 13, 2018 1:54pm
      - niggly
        
        Oh, ok! Well they aren’t a 70’s heavy rock band …. but if they were an “alternative” opening act for a 70’s rock band I suspect even the serious head-bangers wouldn’t mind for a bit!
        
        So to answer your question: nah/yeah?!! 🙂
        
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        January 13, 2018 2:17pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Digmen1
        Have a look, a change from sexy women instead of rock chicks dressed in grungy jeans or black leather. ?
        
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        January 13, 2018 3:59pm
- MH
  
  loverly bass tads
  
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  January 13, 2018 1:26pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Thanks for that holysheet. Just right for a Saturday afternoon after returning from holiday. Relax – yeah!
  
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  January 13, 2018 3:15pm
stephieboy

Thinking of Anthony Weiner ,

Lawyer paid $130K to adult-film star to keep quiet about alleged Trump sexual encounter: report

WASHINGTON – A lawyer representing President Trump arranged a $130,000 payment to a former adult film star one month before the 2016 presidential election to prevent her from discussing an alleged sexual encounter between her and Trump some ten years earlier, the Wall Street Journal reported.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/01/12/lawyer-paid-130-k-adult-film-star-keep-quiet-alleged-trump-sexual-encounter-report/1029804001/

LOL,LOL, LOL …!
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January 13, 2018 12:34pm
- softail 1450
  
  streppieboy , so you find a man having a sexual encounter when he doesn’t have another partner, with a hot porn star funny ,,,,,,,you are a fucked up twisted puppy streppie .
  what is your preferred sexual encounter ,is it “down in the farmyard”?
  
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  January 13, 2018 12:53pm
  - holysheet
    
    The little creep wouln’t last five minutes on a farm. Best he stick to his goat tethered in the back of the church yard in Balmoral road.
    
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    January 13, 2018 1:18pm
- Inandout
  
  It’s all bullshit stephie, you are so behind the times.
  
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  January 13, 2018 1:32pm
- cmm
  
  Can’t argue with a well constructed argument.
  
  If it’s got a LOL in it, it’s solid.
  
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  January 13, 2018 1:43pm
- starboard
  
  2 words for you stiffybot
  
  Darren Hughes
  
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  January 13, 2018 2:29pm
  - stigie
    
    Would Darren Hughes be interested in stiffy..?
    
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    January 13, 2018 3:10pm
    - Inandout
      
      Perhaps DH would like a ginger stiffy.
      
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      January 13, 2018 3:58pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Never been to a whorehouse stupid boy?
  Man your life is fucked
  
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  January 13, 2018 3:17pm
  - Gabby
    
    Ever stepped outside a whorehouse Stoive? Man your mum is fuck-ing worried about you.
    
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    January 13, 2018 3:25pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Go fuck yourself, my Mum has passed
      
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      January 13, 2018 3:35pm
    - Harriet
      
      “…..Ever stepped outside a whorehouse Stoive?…”
      
      Reads like you work inside one….Gobby. 😎
      
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      January 13, 2018 3:39pm
  - Inandout
    
    I hear there is one behind the Stoddard Rd mosque, with appropriately aged children and goats on tap.
    
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    January 13, 2018 4:01pm
Jack5

Will this liberal-Leftist voice stop the paid-circulation slide of the Christchurch Press?

An interesting name has cropped up in the Christchurch Press in a restaurant review that lambasted a restaurant for terms on its menu. Examples were “Wang, wang ten to cool” and “dumprings”.

The review is by Alastair Paulin, who is listed as a “news director” of the newspaper. His criticism has been backed by Dame Devoid, by multiculturists and by some sensitive Chinese.

Google searches indicated that Paulin held a similar post with Fairfax in Australia.

More interesting, he has held editorial posts with Mother Jones, the “alternative” American magazine named for a trade union activist. The “media bias” link below places Mother Jones well to the political Left.

It is published by the Foundation for National Progress, which is described by one internet source asa “network of independent journalism organisations, including local and regional news outlets, indigenous and ethnic media, and media representing communities of colour.“

Michael Moore, the controversial film maker edited Mother Jones for a short time in 1986. Moore fell out with the hierarchy, sued and used settlement mokney to finance his film, Roger and Me.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100546172/pc-backlash-over-bamboozle-menus-racial-stereotyping-hurts-new-zealand

AND

Mother Jones political position assessment:

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mother-jones/
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January 13, 2018 1:44pm
MH

NZ Min of Foreign Affairs and Trade classifies countries with a choice of risks
extreme /high /some
example
Extreme risk
We advise against all travel. This advice usually applies to areas where there is conflict, warfare or ongoing violent civil unrest, or we have reason to believe there is a heightened threat to New Zealanders. New Zealanders in these areas should be aware of the limits on consular assistance that can be provided. The New Zealand Government may not be able to assist you if you are detained, injured, or otherwise prevented from leaving these areas. If you are in one of these areas you should consider departing as soon as it is safe to do so.

this IMO could be better identified by the Trump scale of warning:

We advise against the use of all toilets. This advice usually applies to rear areas where there are piles, rashes or ongoing violent eruptions and unrest, or we have reason to believe there is a heightened threat to the bottoms of New Zealanders. New Zealanders in these backward areas should be aware of the limits on providing 3 ply toilet paper and hands on consular assistance that can be provided. The New Zealand Government may not be able to assist you if you are stained, soiled, or otherwise prevented from leaving these toilets. If you are in one of these areas you should consider relief by farting as soon as it is safe to do so.

extreme shithole
high shithole
some shithole
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January 13, 2018 1:52pm
Digmen1

Would some of those shitholes be Haiti, El Salvador and Africa?
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January 13, 2018 1:57pm
- MH
  
  they are. Some only have one toilet per crapita.
  
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  January 13, 2018 2:05pm
fernglas

I lived in Haiti for a while but the outgoings per anum were too high.
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January 13, 2018 2:23pm
Ross12

Well it looks like the US MSM are starting to back track. When you have Jake Tapper from CNN explaining where the reporting was wrong you know it was inflated BS.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/cnns-jake-tapper-admits-trumps-shthole-statement-twisted-fake-news-reporters/
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January 13, 2018 2:39pm
Digmen1

Its about time someone sued some of the MSM for reporting lies.
Its called libel I think.

I think Donald Trump is being very forgiving.
If I were him I’d be mad as hell every since the First day of his presidency.
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January 13, 2018 3:00pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  He’s gonna sue Rosie, when he gets some free time.
  He said he didn’t need to, but it would be fun.
  MAGA
  
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  January 13, 2018 3:20pm
UpandComer

Here are some more gems from Google – the exemplar of the future workplace run by the Left:

7. ‘Discourage them all throughout the industry’
“If we really care about diversity in tech, we don’t just need to chase serial offenders out of Google, we need to discourage them all throughout the industry,” a lengthy internal post on Damore read. “We should be willing to give a wink and a nod to other Silicon Valley employers over terminable offenses, not send the worst parts of tech packing with a smile …”

8. ‘I will hurt you’
Damore’s memo prompted another employee to post this quote: “I’m a queer-ass nonbinary trans person that is fucking sick and tired of being told to open a dialogue with people who want me dead. We are at a point where the dialogue we need to be having with these people is ‘if you keep talking about this shit, i will hurt you.”

9. ‘Relies on crowdsourced harassment’
Google encourages employees to enforce unwritten norms by harassing and ostracizing those who break them, according to the suit, and by allowing employees to create “blocklists” on their communications systems. “[Google] relies on crowdsourced harassment and ‘pecking’ to enforce social norms (including politics) that it feels it cannot write directly into its policies,” the suit states.

11. ‘You’re being blacklisted…at companies outside Google’
Google manager Adam Fletcher wrote in 2015 he would never hire conservatives he deemed hold hostile views. “I will never, ever hire/transfer you onto my team,” he wrote. “Ever. I don’t care if you are perfect fit or technically excellent or whatever. I will actively not work with you, even to the point where your team or product is impacted by this decision. I’ll communicate why to your manager if it comes up. You’re being blacklisted by people at companies outside of Google,” he added. “You might not have been aware of this, but people know, people talk. There are always social consequences.”

Google is on a clock. Google is now an affirmative action vehicle where diversity > quality.

Ah Chicago – here is another example of the glories of leftist governance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB6h9R0I-aM

Here is Ted Kennedy in 1965:

“First, our cities will not be flooded with a million immigrants annually. Under the proposed bill, the present level of immigration remains substantially the same…

Secondly, the ethnic mix of this country will not be upset… Contrary to the charges in some quarters, [the bill] will not inundate America with immigrants from any one country or area, or the most populated and deprived nations of Africa and Asia…

In the final analysis, the ethnic pattern of immigration under the proposed measure is not expected to change as sharply as the critics seem to think… The bill will not flood our cities with immigrants. It will not upset the ethnic mix of our society. It will not relax the standards of admission. It will not cause American workers to lose their jobs.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1209313/Ted-Kennedy-The-Senator-Sleaze-drunk-sexual-bully–left-young-woman-die.html

Ah, Ted Kennedy.

He left a young woman to die in a slowly sinking car he had drugged and picked up for sex, while he was married.

https://nypost.com/2009/08/30/kennedys-free-pass-with-women/

But he was very respectful and helpful to women’s groups.

Liberals are truly cancer.
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January 13, 2018 3:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  UpandcComer ,why the omission of the granddaddy of them all , Richard Nixon ??
  
  He to had a few things to say about F…s and Shit with his potty mouth
  
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  January 13, 2018 4:45pm
  - UpandComer
    
    Nixon was bad because he let Kissinger send an aide to the Vietnamese governments saying if they ignored LBJ’s peace talks and kept the war going longer they could better terms under a Nixon administration. It cost 22,000 American lives and hundreds of thousands of South East Asians by prolonging the war.
    
    That was a Kissinger idea – Christopher Hitchens covered it in great detail in his biography of Kissinger.
    
    “The Trial of Henry Kissinger” – it’s a great book. Tough to read for a partial admirer of Nixon, but great.
    
    However in terms of breach of presidential powers and use of sabotage and espionage of opponents using executive apparatus Nixon can’t even hold a candle to even LBJ his contemporary, let alone the modern spawn of the DNC like the Clintons and Obama.
    
    Nixon taking the United States off the gold standard and Bretton Woods is why he can be criticised by history. He was 100% correct about communist subversion of US institutions, but he was the one who gave them the monetary weapon to implement their agenda.
    
    And here we are today.
    
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    January 13, 2018 5:00pm
Digmen1

This is not what Canada is (says Trudeau)

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42671385

Well to me Canada is about Lumberjacks, Eskimos, The Mounties, Rolling plains of wheat, The Canadians at Dieppe.
Not some muslim girl in a Hijab.
If you want to practice your evil religion, do it in your own country.
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January 13, 2018 3:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  Digmen 1 , got your scissors at the ready the next you see a hijab being worn ?
  
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  January 13, 2018 4:46pm
- realityczech
  
  “muslim girl in a Hijab”
  
  Religious Jewish women:
  
  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/90/20/77/902077c7e141a91a1d1a30a2dcb7cb2d.jpg
  
  The religious Jew even keeps the kids covered:
  
  https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/an-ultraorthodox-jewish-family-dressed-in-costumes-celebrate-the-in-picture-id479285941
  
  [Note they are off to celebrate the genocide of Persians, which is a big yearly event in the Jewish religious calendar]
  
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  January 13, 2018 4:54pm
aldo

where is this dadjustice beater of his wife why do beat her wife is the number 1 in lebanon He is not thr real man
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January 13, 2018 3:17pm
- stigie
  
  His name is Peter he live in christchurch he live by some big park forget what it is called but plenty jig a jig
  
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  January 13, 2018 6:09pm
aldo

and the jhonboy why he love the sleep so much i not sure about we move to here nz it has the strange peoples.
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January 13, 2018 3:19pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Strange peoples from Lebanon?
  I see you have caught the NZ disease called dyslexia, you got your alfamabet all mixed up sonny
  
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  January 13, 2018 3:26pm
- Harriet
  
  Sheep fuckers goat fuckers — all same Aldo.
  
  Move to aussie you hate the last two places lived in Aldo…..Lebenon, New Zooland, I have, I now have sexy modest wife, Mcmansion, good paying bossman.
  
  But you get John Key little brother PM. He gay man too. No worry Aussie have big building. 😎
  
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  January 13, 2018 3:28pm
Yvette

And on a lesser scale … 
Mick Jagger – or Keith Richards – once called Invercargill the “arsehole of the world”. That depends which book you believe.
Stanley Booth’s The True Adventures of the Rolling Stones, first published in 1985, says it was Richards.
Bill Wyman’s autobiography, Stone Alone, from 1990 said it was Jagger.

Richards didn’t repeat the slur against the Southland metropolis in his 2010 memoir Life. Though he did have a go at its northern neighbour.”My God, there are some black holes … Dunedin, for instance … It looked like Tombstone and it felt like that. It still had hitching rails.

And whichever one called Invercargill the “arsehole of the world”, it is notable that the Mayor at the time, remarked it was “a pleasure to have them passing through”.
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January 13, 2018 3:21pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Invergiggle is a shithole, I heard Trump say it
  
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  January 13, 2018 3:27pm
  - Yvette
    
    He was also passing through, was he, Steve?
    
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    January 13, 2018 3:33pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Nah, Tim sent him an email
      
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      January 13, 2018 3:40pm
  - Harriet
    
    Hahhahhahahahhhhahahhahahahaha
    
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    January 13, 2018 3:35pm
- RF
  
  The expression was.. invercargill is the arsehole of NZ and Gore is 50 miles up it.
  
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  January 13, 2018 3:40pm
  - Harriet
    
    That was once said by a police sgt in Wellington…… talking about the police college to recruits. 😎
    
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    January 13, 2018 3:42pm
  - MH
    
    what was Al Gore doing in Inversecargill?
    
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    January 13, 2018 4:25pm
    - holysheet
      
      Was Aldo Goring in Invergiggle?
      
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      January 13, 2018 6:25pm
- Jack5
  
  Yvette, the legend is that young bloods in Southland went to the Stones concert thinking it was Country and Western, and ended up throwing pies at the Stones.
  
  Then a report popped up in a weekly paper (Truth perhaps, or Sunday News) about a mess the Stones allegedly left behind in an Invercargill motel. The paper headlined its report “the Rolling Rubbish Heap.”
  
  No wonder the Stones called Invercargill the arsehole of the world. “The Arsehole” was a nickname of British seamen for lovely Bluff, because if it was on the schedule it was the last port before heading back to Britain. Also, the Bluffies – fishermen, oystermen – sometimes had pub dust-ups with the sailors.
  
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  January 13, 2018 5:44pm
UpandComer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFA6op8C8vU

Trump’s alleged comment is now making people think about what the characteristics are of a shit-hole country.

Stefan discusses Miasma and Germ theory as explanations for the bases of sickness.

Then he compares different theories as explanations for the bases of unequal outcomes between countries.

Colonialism, Marxism (moral), environmental – miasma.

Versus intelligence (germ theory)

He highlights yet another paradox in left thought.

So they say ‘you can’t call a country a shit-hole, because that’s racist’ – ‘but you can’t send back refugees to that country because it’s a shit-hole’

(!?)

They’ve spent the last 50 years casting nothing but the most vicious castigation on western countries, but you can’t call Haiti a shit-hole because…reasons.

And he notes that the Clinton Foundation essentially destroyed the Haiti economy because it became a monopoly producer of everything – in between when it wasn’t abducting Haitian children off the streets to sell as se x slaves (he leaves that out so he doesn’t get taken off youtube).

Then he discusses how, just like in America where over $15trillion in net transfers almost entirely from net taxpaying anglos to non-net tax-paying minorities, hasn’t changed any of the measurements, and how similar transfer of wealth from poor people in the first world to rich people in the third world also hasn’t changed their outcomes at all, in any measurable way.

Then he talks about how in Canada they are told Canada has to become a majority foreigner country because they’re told they’re racist and that proves they aren’t. Except a study done half a decade ago shows that Canada was the least racist country in the world. India was the most racist country, by far. Then China very closely behind. Then the Middle East. Then Africa. West countries and south America countries with western legacies were by far the least racist countries, objectively.

So the left in Canada argues the least racist people in the world (Canada), have to import millions of the most racist people in the world, in order to combat racism.

(!?)

Then he compares Haiti vs the Dominican Republic and tries to find out the difference.

So the two schools of thought:

Environmental, moral (miasma theory)

– military incursions into Haiti – which there were.

But there were much worse into the Dominican Republic.

– White’s outside of Haiti are more racist towards Haiti then the Dominican Republic

Has nothing to do with poverty levels inside of Haiti.

The environment + evil explanation (the Miasma theory) doesn’t explain the phenomenon, although it does fit the Clintons’ raping Haiti pretty well.

So then he talks about:

Demographics (germ theory)

The Dominican Republic has a much stronger demographic legacy as a former colony then Haiti does.

Then he talks about the various amnesties provided by democrats to countries that suffered a natural diaster – Haiti, Puerto Rico, El Salvador, and rubbishes as an explanation for why those countries are shit-holes, but Florida isn’t a shit-hole even though it gets far more Hurricanes.

Then he compares those countries’ outcomes with Japan and Germany post war, and with Libya (where Obama said it was ‘shit’ but that wasn’t discussed by the “media”)

Ends comparing IQ:

Haiti – 67

Dominican Republic: High 80’s

Standard deviation difference – impacting your society.

The guy I think has had enough, because of this:

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/thehouse/why-the-governor-of-the-bank-of-canada-worries-about-your-debt-1.4372779/minister-says-300-000-new-immigrants-a-year-is-canada-s-new-normal-1.4375839

combined with this:

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/08/hate-laws-put-reasonable-limits-on-freedom-of-speech.html

and so much else, like this:

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/05/new-law-allows-government-to-take-children-away-if-parents-dont-accept-kids-gender-identity

and this:

http://thealternativehypothesis.org/index.php/2016/05/11/fiscal-impact-of-whites-blacks-and-hispanics/

So the debate is starting to get into an edgy phase.

So the left would be very well advised to start modifying their views I think, otherwise this ball of politically incorrect empiricism caused by the left’s relentless attack on the west and exploitation of identity politics is going to keep on rolling
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- UpandComer
  
  https://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/06/05/new-law-allows-government-to-take-children-away-if-parents-dont-accept-kids-gender-identity
  
  “Michael Couteau, the Minister of Child and Family Services, and who initially introduced the bill, said that he would consider parental discrimination on the basis of gender identity “a form of abuse when a child identifies as one way and a caregiver is saying ‘No, you need to do this differently.’”
  
  He continued, “If it’s abuse, and if it’s within the definition, a child can be removed from that environment and placed into protection where the abuse stops.”
  
  The new law now requires a parent or legal guardian to “direct the child or young person’s education and upbringing in accordance with the child’s or young person’s creed, community identity and cultural identity.”
  
  The Supporting Children, Youth and Families Act of 2017 has also deleted previously established verbiage that allowed parents and guardians to raise their children under their own umbrella of faith.”
  
  So if you’re a parent in Canada who wants to prevent the child abuse of your child when there is a less then 6% chance they will still want to mutilate themselves as a transgender by age 18 is child abuse, and the state will confiscate your kids from you.
  
  They’ll also confiscate your kids from you if you want to bring them as a Christian and the state disagrees with that choice of religion. Because Islam is fine in Canada. Islam doesn’t pay any taxes, but it’s fine for them to raise the next generation of Canadian welfare recipients
  
  This is why Stefan is making these arguments.
  
  Can someone tell me, how does the above law not amount to a declaration of war by the state on parents?
  
  There is less then a 6% chance that a kid aged 4 who watches youtube for 30 minutes and takes the fancy of mutilating themselves and becoming transgender will have the same idea at age 18. For the genuine hermaphroditic and gender dysphoriacs, fine. But denying a 4 year old from committing child abuse against itself in an irrevocable decision that will most likely lead to suicide is child abuse?
  
  This is a purely hypothetical question that others are discussing in Canada, but when do people have to start killing government workers showing up to take their children away from them because they want to stop their 4 year old cutting it’s penis off or having it’s vagina destroyed, and want to raise them Christian, in what was a Christian country?
  
  At what point do the left stop?
  
  Interesting.
  
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  January 13, 2018 5:38pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Review of open access to weather data in New Zealand here:
http://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/science-innovation/open-access-to-weather-data/weather-permitting-review.pdf

Weatherwatch news release here:
https://www.weatherwatch.co.nz/content/government-finally-releases-open-weather-data-review-after-public-pressure-weatherwatch
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January 13, 2018 4:39pm
- realityczech
  
  Pretty boring stuff really Maggy. There has been no significant changes in the weather since we have been monitoring it. Every time something interesting happens we hear it was the worst in 80 years or so. Another words the weather is the same as 80 years ago.
  
  I wish we could see some change but we have a very stable system that self corrects back to a predictable base line.
  
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  January 13, 2018 5:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Read the report, have you RC?
    
    What about all those industries/businesses that are being held back from innovating because of the restrictive fees applied in NZ.
    (Appendix A, Section 2)
    Why is NZ so out of step with other developed nations?
    
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    January 13, 2018 6:26pm
    - realityczech
      
      It is due to virtue signalling by cynical politicians. They look to harvest the most votes from the low information sheeple.
      
      The whole edifice of lies is funded by TaX
      
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      January 13, 2018 6:30pm
- Inandout
  
  Longest time without rain:
  71 days 0 Wai-iti, Marlborough From 8 February 1939
  
  Highest temperature:
  South Island 42.4 Rangiora 7 February 1973
  
  Wind gusts:
  South Island 250 Mt John, Canterbury 18 April 1970
  
  It’s all out there.
  
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  January 13, 2018 5:45pm
  - realityczech
    
    Inandout, those weathermen on the tax payer tab who lie and misrepresent the facts about the weather should be sacked for serious misconduct.
    
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    January 13, 2018 5:53pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rc , submitting papers to district court for a private prosecution ?
      
      LOL!
      
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      January 13, 2018 6:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        stuuuupidboy, It is an employment issue.
        
        Lying to the public under the auspices of a tax payer funded organisation is serious misconduct.
        
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        January 13, 2018 6:23pm
      - stephieboy
        
        lying ? Document and source that claim please !
        
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        January 13, 2018 6:25pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Document”
        
        As if it can read and comprehend English ! LOL 🙂
        
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        January 13, 2018 6:27pm
cmm

More killer cars hurting innocent people…

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100548349/five-girls-injured-after-car-crashes-into-wall-in-waikato

I love the language they use:

“Five girls (have been injured after the car they were travelling in crashed into a wall in the Waikato on Friday night.”

They were just minding their own business and the car just decided to drive into a wall! Poor sweet girls. 17 year old driver.

Well I guess that’s what you get when you let men design cars.

Come on reporters. Do your job. Lay the blame where it belongs: 17 year old driver who should not have had passengers (assuming for a second she has a restricted), hooning and lost control.
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January 13, 2018 5:03pm
- realityczech
  
  cmm, no the media always portray women as victims. This includes cold blooded killers of innocent kids and of course the hated man-pigs.
  
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  January 13, 2018 6:08pm
sooty

Duncan Garner. You may have given up twitter, but you are still a twit and will be for ever!
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January 13, 2018 5:42pm
- Digmen1
  
  I quite like him and his opinions
  
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  January 13, 2018 5:45pm
  - holysheet
    
    No kidding, whoda thought.
    
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    January 13, 2018 6:28pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/01/12/kassam-blasts-sky-news-sadiq-khans-london-shithole/

WATCH — Kassam Blasts Sky News: Sadiq Khan’s London is a Sh*thole

“London’s turning into a shithole under Sadiq Khan” – Raheem Kassam

GOLD
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January 13, 2018 5:44pm
- realityczech
  
  London was a shit hole long before that. It only appeals to pretentious wankers who imagine they are living in a progressive happening place.
  
  The place is a filthy congested sewer to those of intelligence and decency.
  
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  January 13, 2018 5:47pm
- Digmen1
  
  I quite like him and his opinions
  
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  January 13, 2018 5:52pm
- Digmen1
  
  Wow
  That was an amazing interview.
  The interviewee really gave it to the host!
  Other Presidents have sworn.
  Some countries are shitholes – look at Corruption statistics etc etc.
  He said “Would you want to go there?”
  
  PLATIINUM
  It is one of the best 3 minutes you wil spend this weekend!
  
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  January 13, 2018 5:55pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Quite refreshing!
    
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    January 13, 2018 6:02pm
  - nasska
    
    When I heard that Donald Trump had said, “We need to stop Haitians and Africans immigrating from their shithole countries & instead be taking from countries like Norway,” it had me so upset that I nearly cried as I went to sleep last night.
    
    Because with our system we’ll never have a Prime Minister like him here.
    
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    January 13, 2018 6:09pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Thank goodness !
      
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      January 13, 2018 6:13pm
    - realityczech
      
      nasska, we can have what they have. We just need to stand up for decency, intelligence, and diversity. All the things Trump haters oppose.
      
      They want an authoritarian intolerant and immoral society enslaved by the state.
      
      Trump is the greatest American President in history and is now leading the world towards a new age of enlightment and hope.
      
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      January 13, 2018 6:18pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ…..
        
        A new era of hope etc ?
        
        Trump lauded delivery of F-52s to Norway – the planes only exist in ‘Call of Duty’
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11973689
        
        LOL
        
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        January 13, 2018 6:29pm
      - nasska
        
        He’s definitely the best since Reagan. I was lukewarm on Trump when he became President but I considered that however bad he may have turned out he was better than lying Hilary.
        
        So far he has exceeded any hopes or expectations I might have had for the man. People, like him, who call a spade a fucking shovel deserve respect.
        
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        January 13, 2018 6:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  Rodney Randal ,
  
  ‘Donald Trump on steroids’: The controversial rise of Farage favourite and Breitbart UK editor Raheem Kassam
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/raheem-kassam-breitbart-editor-profile-who-is-he-farage-favourite-donald-trump-on-steroids-a7445821.html
  
  Explains everything about a nut !
  
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  January 13, 2018 6:26pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    “It’s an extraordinary rise that his friends didn’t think would happen. They laughed at him, and to be fair, he’s having the last laugh.”
    
    Good on him! So refreshing!
    
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    January 13, 2018 6:33pm
Digmen1

Yes the headline should have been.
17 yo girl injures 4 girls.
And
Police are laying charges against her and the judge will disqualify her from driving for life.
All hospital costs will be paid for by her or her family or the families of the girls.
But before we treat the girls in hospital the wall must be fully repaired.
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January 13, 2018 5:45pm
- realityczech
  
  Been reading that Old Testament again dickhead ?
  
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  January 13, 2018 6:06pm
Manolo

Shitholes of the world, unite!
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/african-nations-unite-at-un-against-trump-s-reported-s-hole-countries-slur
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- realityczech
  
  LOL 🙂
  
  Those stupid savages. The US is the biggest sponsor of the UN and gives the most aid to the shit hole continent, of any country.
  
  Though the rich prosperous country of Israel leeches the most aid from the USA like a fetid parasite.
  
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  January 13, 2018 6:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , Trump is simply voicing what you and rc are rattling around in your heads all the time ,
  
  ‘The Lowest White Man’
  
  “I guess Donald Trump was eager to counter the impression in Michael Wolff’s book that he is irascible, mentally small and possibly insane. On Tuesday, he allowed a bipartisan session in the White House about immigration to be televised for nearly an hour.
  Surely, he thought that he would be able to demonstrate to the world his lucidity and acumen, his grasp of the issues and his relish for rapprochement with his political adversaries.
  But instead what came through was the image of a man who had absolutely no idea what he was talking about; a man who says things that are 180 degrees from the things he has said before; a man who has no clear line of reasoning; a man who is clearly out of his depth and willing to do and say anything to please the people in front of him.
  He demonstrated once again that he is a man without principle, interested only in how good he can make himself look and how much money he can make.
  Yes, he has an intrinsic hostility to people who are not white, particularly when they challenge him, but as a matter of policy, the whole idea of building a wall for which Mexico would pay was just a cheap campaign stunt to, once again, please the people in front of him…”
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/11/opinion/trump-immigration-white-supremacy.html
  
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  January 13, 2018 6:18pm
  - realityczech
    
    stupidboy, why do you hate YT so much for dragging your pathetic “culture” [chuckle] out of the stone age ?
    
    You should be thanking us and doing it on your knees boy.
    
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    January 13, 2018 6:21pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rc , go and visit your Doctor !
      
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      January 13, 2018 6:28pm
  - UpandComer
    
    It’s all unmitigated bullshit.
    
    Obama was a community organizing parasite still paying off a mortgage in the middle of his presidency who got shit marks at law school but got given an affirmative action job as a very, very part-time constitutional law lecturer at the University of Chicago. Chicago is a steaming shit-pile of crime, corruption, illiteracy, innumeracy, welfare, and unfunded liabilities so I suppose it’s fitting Obama was there.
    
    Obama was not a professor. Obama didn’t have the brains or qualifications to be a professor. But he said he was a professor. That’s not a small thing. I’ve worked in universities.
    
    Obama said he taught constitutional law, but he didn’t. He taught one thing – rights, race and gender.
    
    In looking at university courses, the best way to find the courses that come with a free dole queue ticket and trip to the nearest glitterbox party are anything that has ‘rights’ ‘race’ ‘gender’ or ‘diverse’ or ‘sectionality’ or ‘jusice’ because as everyone knows, those papers are for retards, taught by retards, and containing, with the exception of some valuable historical material on occasion, only retarded post-modernist offal that no one reads except the people putting together speech laws and immigration laws.
    
    So Obama was an affirmative action rights race and gender guy, given a position at the University of Chicago because he was supposed to write a book on race, which he never wrote.
    
    He was too stupid to right his own memoirs – that was written by Bill Ayers.
    
    Obama taught that the constitution of the United States is an illegitimate bar to the ‘constitutions of power’ of community organizers, preventing wholesale coercive implementation of agenda.
    
    So keep denigrating Trump.
    
    What a loser that billionaire President is, he’s such a big fat stupid idiot loser that he somehow beat the democrats with their super duper smart-ness and candidate with a vagina, even though he was trying his hardest to lose, didn’t spend any money, had a staff consisting of his children, a media that laughed at him for years and has the IQ of one of the Haitians Clinton and the Obamas were kidnapping in Haiti. What an idiot.
    
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    January 13, 2018 6:47pm
    - kevn
      
      UpComer…
      Great summary of facts. Thank you.
      
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      January 13, 2018 6:59pm
      - stephieboy
        
        kvevn. summary of what facts ?
        
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        January 13, 2018 8:24pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”has the IQ of one of the Haitians”….
      
      Up to that point I fully agreed with you but Trump is not an idiot. A genius he isn’t but how many of those succeed outside the sheltered walls of a university.
      
      Trump’s strong point is that he’s a manager & a pragmatist……just the bloke you want running a company or organisation you are considering dumping your life’s savings into.
      
      So far he’s made complete fools out of the incredibly foolish & biased media who are sworn to bring him down. By shitcanning petty, vindictive government regulations he has given hope & impetus to those who create America’s wealth.
      
      He’s slashed taxes & put up the “unwelcome” signs for the World’s flotsam & jetsam while gently introducing the corrupt UN to reality 101.
      
      What is there not to like about the man?
      
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      January 13, 2018 7:07pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Lol I was trying to show how stupid it is to call Trump dumb, when he beat the people calling him dumb, according to Woolf, when he was trying to lose etc.
        
        I like Trump. I wish he’d listened more to Bannon and less to Goldman Sachs, but he’s been vital at showing how badly the left have damaged America and the west.
        
        He’s also really funny:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7I92r9GqUw
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-n3AMxdgsY
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NsrwH9I9vE
        
        How can Trump be racist if he shaved Vince McMahon’s head at wrestlemania 23 with a black guy and Stone Cold Steve Austin?
        
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        January 13, 2018 7:26pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Two terms nass ? Which way are you leaning ?
        
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        January 13, 2018 8:10pm
      - nasska
        
        If it’s left to the voters then two terms is a certainty. The problem Trump will have is the mentally unstable socialists who will consider assassination when they can’t get their own way through the ballot box.
        
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        January 13, 2018 8:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “What is there not to like about the man?”
        
        Everything it seems ,
        
        How the Quantity of Trump’s Lies Compares to Obama’s
        
        http://fortune.com/2017/12/14/trump-lies-new-york-times/
        
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        January 13, 2018 8:33pm
    - ztev
      
      University of Chicago sees it differently to you Upandcomer
      “From 1992 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Barack Obama served as a Professor in the Law School. He was a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996. He was a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004, during which time he taught three courses per year. Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track. The title of Senior Lecturer is distinct from the title of Lecturer, which signifies adjunct status. Like Obama, each of the Law School’s Senior Lecturers has high-demand careers in politics or public service, which prevent full-time teaching. Several times during his 12 years as a professor in the Law School, Obama was invited to join the faculty in a full-time tenure-track position, but he declined.
      https://www.law.uchicago.edu/media
      
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      January 13, 2018 7:19pm
      - ztev
        
        And yes Obama did teach ‘ Current Issues in Racism and the Law’ but another was Constitutional Law III
        http://content.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1835238,00.html
        
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        January 13, 2018 7:26pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Of course the University of Chicago sees it differently.
        
        Oh well I guess it’s just a matter of irresolvable ‘competing personal truths’. I wonder if they’d go to such semantical lengths for anyone else.
        In anycase, that fine institution is doing a great job in it’s own state, the Venezuela of America.
        
        I don’t even dislike Obama that much – he has a comfy family. Just the double standards between him and Trump.
        
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        January 13, 2018 7:30pm
      - holysheet
        
        Senior Lecturers are considered to be members of the Law School faculty and are regarded as professors, although not full-time or tenure-track.
        
        “Considered to be”
        How very convenient to be considered a professor when you are a senior lecturer.
        This is not the same as being a proper professor.
        
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        January 13, 2018 7:51pm
      - UpandComer
        
        Obama never worked for anything in his life, unlike his wife.
        
        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960
        
        Even the Nobel Prize Panel, which is a pot-luck raffel for a certain people to tell themselves how high IQ they are, regrets giving the “Professor” the Nobel peace prize. Who killed more innocent people by drone then
        
        That prize sums up Obama perfectly.
        
        We all believed the hype, didn’t we. I remember seeing him and thinking he was perfection. Beyonce who whoever it was singing ‘at last’ by Etta James – wow, I wish I was Black, like Obama and Le Bron James.
        
        What did the low IQ little quisling, terrorist sympathiser and charlatan actually achieve?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsWzfhvvOgg&t=270s
        
        http://www.weeklystandard.com/obamas-economists-stimulus-has-cost-278000-per-job/article/576014
        
        Every job he created, despite record debt, with his stimulus cost $278,000.00.
        
        http://www.weeklystandard.com/no-country-for-burly-men/article/17737
        
        What did he actually spend it on?
        
        80% of the job losses were for men during the Great American recession.
        
        Female industry GAINED 558,000 jobs during that period, when 3million men went out of work.
        
        Obama promised ‘shovel ready jobs’.
        
        That really unsettled the feminists, who, taking a break from defenestrating transgender children with their non-science propaganda wrote Obama a letter saying ‘we need to re-build not only steel and concrete bridges but also human bridges”
        
        These groups formed a super-girl band called WEAVE– Women’s Equality Adds Value to the Economy.
        
        Their representatives (led by ‘Feminist Majority President’ Eleanor Smeal) met Obama’s incoming deputy director at the National Economic Council, and other’s of his aides.
        
        They did a ‘special interests group’ voodoo ceremony and called their gibs ‘human infrastructure’ – the exact economic non-necessity for America that had grown by half a million jobs, whilst male jobs had decreased by THREE MILLION.
        
        Here was the result:
        
        “Romer and Bernstein delivered “The Job Impact of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Plan” on January 10. They estimated that “the total number of created jobs likely to go to women is roughly 42 percent.” Lest anyone miss the point, they added that since women had held only 20 percent of the jobs lost in the recession, the stimulus package now “skews job creation somewhat towards women.”
        
        Kim Gandy and the feminist purple hairs got everything they wanted from Obama, and more, billions and billions.
        
        $300 billion sent to the states was used mainly for health care, education, unemployment benefits, food stamps, and other social services.
        
        Not infrastructure.
        
        Not construction.
        
        If you break that $300billion down, most of it was racket money paid to liberal special interest groups who wouldn’t know a spanner if it asked for a sex change.
        
        Here is one interpretation of the result:
        
        “According to Chris Whately, director of the Council of State Governments, “We all talked about ‘shovel-ready’ since September and assumed it was a whole lot of paving and building when, in fact, that’s not the case.” At the same time, the Labor Department’s latest (June 5) employment report shows unemployment rates of 8 percent for women and 10.5 percent for men. “Unprecedented” is what Harvard economist Greg Mankiw called the new 2.5 percentage-point gender gap. “It’s the highest male-female jobless rate gap in the history of BLS [Labor Department] data back to 1948,” said Mark Perry.
        
        Obama was worthless. Utterly worthless.
        
        How much better could you personify cuck-worthless virtue signalling then to give most of the stimulus money you said you wanted to build infrastructure to feminist groups, representing industry that had grown by half a million jobs whilst 3 million men were out of work?
        
        I bet no one here reading this would know this.
        
        Because the “media” don’t report this kind of thing.
        
        You have to dig.
        
        Obama was a useless bastard. All that debt, and he couldn’t grow a beard.
        
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        January 13, 2018 8:30pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Upandcomer , your meaningless ramblings and bloaoted rhetoric compares to this ( and worth repeating ),
      
      “..Yes, he ( Trump ) has an intrinsic hostility to people who are not white, particularly when they challenge him, but as a matter of policy, the whole idea of building a wall for which Mexico would pay was just a cheap campaign stunt to, once again, please the people in front of him…”
      
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      January 13, 2018 8:29pm
      - UpandComer
        
        You’re right. I suppose my rhetoric needs high-heels. Like the Australian army – we wouldn’t want anything to be ‘booted’ as you put it:
        
        http://bernardgaynor.com.au/defences-pc-culture-finally-hit-six/
        
        Or US special forces – another Obama initiative.
        That’s really going to make the Chinese in the South China Sea laughing at Baizuo and powered by the Heavenly Mandate stop building their bases.
        
        Powerful:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNAXNgGTTG8
        
        You can’t tell the difference between dialectic and rhetoric. But that’s okay.
        
        The wall actually is relatively cheap. $18billion. That’s a drop in the Ocean.
        
        I don’t give a shit if Trump is hostile to people who aren’t white (not that he even is). What he is hostile to is this:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_sGn6PdmIo
        
        Thomas Sowell explains why concerned big government people destroyed the Black Family.
        
        But we’re still fucking debating this because of people like you, and everything they were debating then has got exponentially worse for blacks.
        
        What are you supposed to do given this kind of official establishment rhetoric?
        
        https://harvardmagazine.com/2002/09/abolish-the-white-race.html
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnwiYdFaRfk
        
        Which denies all empirical evidence that exists:
        
        https://www.economist.com/news/united-states/21721960-deaths-drugs-say-more-about-markets-about-white-despair-inside-opioid
        
        https://archive.is/QDQTh#selection-554.1-597.53 – if you think this was mean-spirited, see this:
        
        https://www.buzzfeed.com/patricepeck/37-things-white-people-ruined-in-2017?utm_term=.vrKRNQZNeL#.as0wJ8qJgz
        
        which is still up.
        
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        January 13, 2018 8:51pm
  - Inandout
    
    The NY Times, laugh and laugh again, you are so funny stephielukes.
    
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    January 13, 2018 7:25pm
    - stephieboy
      
      inandout , callouses rattling the cot sides ?
      
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      January 13, 2018 8:30pm
      - nasska
        
        Doctor: Bad news. You have a disease & the only cure is frequent, aggressive masturbation from the age of twelve.
        
        Stephieboy: Mama……I’m gonna make it!
        
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        January 13, 2018 8:38pm
      - stephieboy
        
        nasska , a chronic case of Trumpeters derangement syndrome ??
        
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        January 13, 2018 8:42pm
      - Inandout
        
        I thought continually praying on the floor created callouses.
        
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        January 13, 2018 9:29pm
Digmen1

Islam is just about keeping immams in a job and keeping the people in their backward stoneage culture, so they wont or can’t wake up!

Just look around the world and see how most people have fun and enjoy their lives.
I don’t see that in muslim countries.
Its all hate and oppression and savagry.
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January 13, 2018 6:34pm
- Inandout
  
  Five times a day the slaves must pray to allah, so they won’t wake up.
  
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  January 13, 2018 7:28pm
  - Digmen1
    
    I’d really like to know what they pray about?
    
    I mean I know how and what Christians pray about but what about muslims?
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:10pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Stripclubs are probably a bit shit.
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:07pm
  - nasska
    
    If the stripper took off her socks they’d lose control!
    
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    January 13, 2018 8:19pm
- KH
  
  looked in the mirror lately Digmen ?
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:10pm
- Psycho Milt
  
  I don’t see that in muslim countries.
  
  You don’t? Which ones do you visit?
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:35pm
  - Digmen1
    
    I just see it on tv.
    Lebanon, Beirut looks good.
    Maybe some Turkish bars.
    
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    January 13, 2018 10:12pm
starboard

Muslim men are hypocritical scum.
I see them here in Thailand getting pissed everywhere all the time.They are hated by the Thais. They are rude, arrogant, ignorant and have no social skills. I watched one filthy maggot wash himself in a Bangkok hotel swimming pool recently so I gave him an earfull. He nutted off in his lingo then wandered off.
Filth.
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January 13, 2018 8:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  starboard , small wonder the Thai police didn’t drag you off to the nearest lunatic asylum slobbering and salivating at the mouth .
  
  A real straight jacket case .
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:40pm
  - starboard
    
    You’re an idiot stiffybot, a brainless cheerleader for a nasty group of stoneaged individuals. Wake up man.
    Trumps the best, he tells it like it is…SHITHOLES!
    GO TRUMPY YOU BEAUT..”USA USA USA”
    
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    January 13, 2018 9:43pm
- Inandout
  
  This world means nothing to your typical head banger which explains their lack of social skills. The men are quick to get violent as proscribed in the koran.
  
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  January 13, 2018 9:33pm
- Manolo
  
  But the buggers love ogling Western girls. Many Muslim men are sexually repressed and love perving.
  
  The name of a fellow KB visitor comes to mind! ?
  
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  January 14, 2018 6:57am
Jack5

Condundrum for Greens.

What to do? What to do?What to do?
Will we arch? Against who? Against who?

In the 1980s swathes of forest in America were protected from logging to protect the spotted owl.

Now it seems that marijuana growers are killing them off, and with legalisation of the drug, the owl-icide will worsen.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/11/northern-spotted-owl-being-poisoned-californias-il/
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January 13, 2018 8:29pm
- nasska
  
  From Jack’s link:
  
  …..”the northern spotted owl and barred owl—are being exposed to high levels of rat poison from illegal marijuana grows in northern California.”…..
  
  Get a grip! When the marijuana industry matures & is no longer illegal there won’t be any need to grow in the owl’s domain.
  
  Expect instead paddocks of plants where climate allows or growing under lights in a factory setup.
  
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  January 13, 2018 8:35pm
UpandComer

Anyone who thinks this shit is all theoretical, trying being a straight fit white Australian and joining the Australian army:

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/australian-army-bans-male-recruits-to-get-female-numbers-up/news-story/69ee9dc1d4f8836e9cca7ca2e3e5680a

I had a mate with a 97 ATAR who can run an 800m in 2minutes 10seconds and do 50 pull ups refused work at the Australian Army, maybe because of this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4782394/Army-chief-told-study-shopping-habits-lure-jobs.html

I totally support this by the way – ‘draft our daughters’ aye Stephieboy.
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January 13, 2018 9:05pm
UpandComer

Youtube are awesome at free speech.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/4372177/youtube-accused-of-censorship-over-controversial-new-bid-to-limit-access-to-videos/

http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/11/conservative-and-independent-youtube-channels-hit-by-censorship-and-demonetization/

It’s only fair.

Take this video, which is dreadful. It shows scenes from World War II and quotes people and presents graphics and religious insignia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pjz-YRBZfG0&bpctr=1515827972

It’s really inappropriate – that’s why it got de-monetized. It has about 150k views, but it’s fair it got taken down. You shouldn’t watch it.

These videos stay up, and have billions of views:

https://steemit.com/pedogate/@sheilaaliens/daniel-tosh-exposes-pedo-youtube-channel-video-included

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/parents-beware-content-youtube/

Pedofile channels stay up, particularly ones watched by employees of Deborah Wasserman Schulz and dozens of Democrat congressman:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-28/imran-awan-subscribed-pedo-centric-youtube-channel-exposed-tosh0

Ah well. I guess I’m just not up with the Zeitgeist. It is where we’re being taken I suppose:

http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/belgium-to-lower-age-of-consent-to-13/

There is no relationship between rational choice theory which is the basis of the euthanasia debate, and this kind of policy.

But I guess it’s appropriate for Youtube.

Anyway fuck it.

Obama was the greatest President ever in the United States who created a magnificent Economy.

Obama was a professor.

Men can join the Australian army.

Haiti is a shit-hole because of racism.

The Dominican Republic is less of a shit-hole because it suffered less colonialism.

Chicago under liberal and African American administration is the best local economy in the United States.

Diversity is inherently good.

Google’s hiring practices are justified and fair given historical grievances and minority concerns.

Trump is an idiot who won the Presidency because of racist white people, who express view points for no reason, like sludge blurting out of a sewer pipe in the sea at Petone.

The answer to any problem is always more re-distribution, inter-sectionality, diversity, and cultural enrichment.

Ciao.
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January 13, 2018 9:39pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Wunderbar!
  
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  January 13, 2018 10:32pm
VicParking

It’s ok to call them “HellHoles” but not “ShitHoles”
American Senitor who leaked ‘so called’ Trump comments is a “Lorde”, Woops sorry “Bigot”
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/12/watch-lindsey-graham-who-blasted-trump-for-shithole-comment-called-mexico-a-hellhole-in-2013/
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January 13, 2018 9:50pm
Digmen1

I look forward to the MSM apologising to Trump in the next few days for all of their lies and bias.
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January 13, 2018 10:15pm
- stephieboy
  
  Such as ??
  
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  January 13, 2018 10:28pm
  - Digmen1
    
    The list would be far to long for you to be able to read in English.
    
    Here are some lies
    Shitholes
    State of Health
    Tax cuts for rich only
    
    Bias is every article they publish on Trump which are always anti him.
    
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    January 14, 2018 8:03am
Harriet

I can see another shithole forming from my kitchen window. 😎
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January 13, 2018 10:16pm
Rodney Randall

““What is there not to like about the man (Trump)?
Everything it seems.” – Stephieboy

Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Ephesians 4:31

You appear to be a malcontent troll Steph?

What are they preaching down at the Anglican Church of St Alban The Marxist?
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January 13, 2018 11:08pm
Manolo

Isn’t Trudeau’s Canada the land of milk and honey?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/13/world/canada/quebec-immigrants-haitians.html
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