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Dafixeruppa

Good morning all.
More wet weather on the way… well for Wellington anyway.
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January 10, 2018 8:02am
- Biscuit
  
  Ah I love it Dafix.
  
  Took the trash out just earlier in bare feet and got my toesies wet…
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:43am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Brilliant sunshine and hot already up here in the waikato. ?
    
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    January 10, 2018 8:44am
RalphT

Where’s Wally, I mean William?
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January 10, 2018 8:02am
- Keeping Stock
  
  He got stuck in the snow that’s fallen in the Sahara Desert 😀
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:34am
  - calendar girl
    
    Then he’ll be a ‘snowflake’?
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:52am
- William of Ockham
  
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  Thought you’d never ask!
  
  “Climate science deniers are like paedophiles: they are beyond the reach of reason.” – William of Ockham, Stable Genius.
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:54am
  - Rich Prick
    
    You know a lot about stables then?
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:16am
  - alloytoo
    
    However
    
    ScepticDenier
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:53am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      If you are not a skeptic with regard to all science then you have a bad case of faith/belief and/or religion. This is doubly true when data is so equivocal as for climate ‘science’
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:26pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Y’know, thats pretty fucking offensive you little prick.
    
    Arguing over science or the lack of it depending on the side you are on, and the abuse of children is very different.
    
    You float around little Willy with your poor attempts at humour and trolling thinking you are the ducks nuts. Like most lefties totally deluded about your place in the world and just how important you aren’t.
    
    How about in the future Mr Willy, dont be a fuckwit and if at possible, lift your game a little too huh.
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:04am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @William of Ockham
    Not having any experience of paedophilia, I’ll just have to take your word for it.
    Thanks for sharing.
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:17am
    - stephieboy
      
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      M W, yet Wo O O does have point . Conspiracy theorists like Climate Deniers are beyond reason . In fact the two largely go together .
      Can’t tell the difference .
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        Not having any experience of paedophilia, I’ll just have to take your word for it.
        Thanks for sharing.
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:51am
      - redeye
        
        Seems to me it’s the other side of the debate that wish to silence dissent, and are therefore more ‘beyond reason’. It’s not cynical that are claiming the science is settled.
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:10pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        No he doesnt have a point stephie-bitch.
        
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        January 10, 2018 5:41pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I am a “Climate Denier”. Maybe I am beyond the “Reach of Reason”. At least that is the excuse I’ll use in my defence. (And not for denying Warming Alarmist Crap). You figure it out, Genius.
    
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    January 10, 2018 7:37pm
Left Right and Centre

What the hell does “Ministry of education deputy secretary of sector enablement and support ” mean? Katrina Caseys.
No wonder the education system is failing when we have people in high positions with such ludicrous titles.

– seacat, stuff commenter.

Well said.
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January 10, 2018 8:03am
- sooty
  
  Translation, Shinny bum seat warmer.
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:05am
  - doggone7
    
    The education system has failed when we have people who can’t understand what that means. And failed when we have people who know that isn’t a title but a description.
    Casey is Ministry of Education Deputy Secretary.
    
    https://www.education.govt.nz/ministry-of-education/our-role-and-our-people/our-leadership-team/
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:41am
Don the Kiwi

The serial downticker is on the job early.
Maybe its Willie of Cockham pissed off that he wasn’t first up. 🙂
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January 10, 2018 8:06am
- Biscuit
  
  Don, forgive me, but I downtick so rarely that every now and then I allow myself one just to remember what it feels like.
  
  You have just gone from 4 to 5!
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:44am
  - holysheet
    
    ditto to you as well
    
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    January 10, 2018 8:52am
    - Biscuit
      
      Those who live by the downtick DIE by the downtick!
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:10am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        All is forgiven Biscuit. 😉
        
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        January 10, 2018 10:40am
  - pdm
    
    Ah ha Biscuit but I know you are nasty.
    
    I have seen over many years how you treat the –
    `we luv David Beckham’ people.
    
    lol.
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:01am
    - Biscuit
      
      pdm, they’re fair game.
      
      From my diary notes on our last trip to San Fran:
      
      And we had fun making custom-made Chinese fortune cookies at a cookie factory. You could write your own slips and they filled the cookies on the spot to take back to people at home. ‘GIVE BISCUIT $20 AND ALL YOUR DREAMS WILL COME TRUE’, e.g., or ‘DAVID BECKHAM SUX!’ and ‘BECKS COPS STICK FOR BEING SO THICK. SO WHY DOES STEPHEN HAWKING NOT GET RIDICULED FOR BEING SH*T AT FOOTBALL?’
      (Guess which trio of nutter ladies will get given those last two?)
      It costs a few dollars more than your regular cookies with inane/cryptic (delete one) ‘messages’ like ‘LAND IS ALWAYS ON THE MIND OF A FLYING BIRD’ but it’s totally worth it.
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:29am
      - pdm
        
        Only you Biscuit – only you.
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:05pm
JIV

Is there going to be a backlash against the #MeToo movement over the coming years.

Some studios will overcompensate, as seen with the latest Star Wars episodes crowbarring actresses and minorities into the script for no gain to the story. In fact, most positive reviews are based on the count of female characters rather than the storyline.

Surely some studios will avoid trouble by going back to the old days and having a total male cast and production crew. This avoids any converstaions 15 years later that you looked at her funny are brushed against her deliberately.

If this creates more Shawshank Redemptions and less Big Little Lies then the world would surely benefit.
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January 10, 2018 8:15am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  It certainly does seem that Hollywood needs a big clean out of its predatory reptiles.
  I just have a problem thinking that those who have allowed themselves to be fondled, groped and shagged for mega-Buck wages have not been part of the problem.
  Their complicity (silence) created more victims in their wake and they are hardly heroines now they are telling tales.
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:31am
  - JIV
    
    A clear out of certain individuals appears to be the end game for the movement. Like it or not, there will be a vacuum of talent left in Hollywood that they’ll be obliged to fill with less talented but more diverse individuals. This can only result in more Big Little Lies being produced.
    
    If Kevin Spacey joins all the accused together to be independent of Hollywood, we could get more Usual Suspects (irony noticed).
    
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    January 10, 2018 8:49am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Those that said no most likely never made it as actresses. If you have a selection process that effectively eliminates people who do the right thing then you get left with a group with very flexible morality.
    
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    January 10, 2018 8:55am
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      I agree.
      The real heroes in all this will be forever anonymous to us but have more reason to hold their heads high.
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:57am
    - Anne Glen Eden
      
      There’s never been a simpler or more true statement of the social evolution of the human species. From Milgram’s experiment to Christianity.
      
      “Therefore, all things, whatever you desire that men should do to you, so also you should do to them; for this is the Law and the Prophets. Go in through the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are the ones entering in through it. For narrow is the gate, and constricted is the way that leads away into life, and few are the ones finding it.”
      
      Or the example of Joseph, which is precisely what applies in these examples.
      
      “But God chose the foolish things of the world that the wise might be put to shame, and God chose the weak things of the world so that He might put to shame the strong things. And God chose the low-born of the world, and the despised, and the things that are not, so that He might bring to nothing the things that are, ….”
      
      If you’re on a well-travelled road in plenty of company, confident in your ‘wisdom’ and sophistication about the world, comfortable in it and ‘feted’ by it, the greatest chance is that you’re on the wrong road for anyone’s wellbeing, including your own.
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:01am
      - stephieboy
        
        Ann Glen Eden,
        
        “But God chose the foolish things of the world that the wise might be put to shame, and God chose the weak things of the world so that He might put to shame the strong things..”
        
        Did scripture have Donald Trump and his followers in mind ?
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:30am
      - simpleton1
        
        A stephieboy reading.
        
        “Deuteronomy 18:15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you shall heed such a prophet.”
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:36am
- JibberJabber
  
  Hollywood has been a zombie devoid of talent and originality for years now.
  Quality writing, acting, and originality has shifted to TV series and one offs.
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:45am
  - JIV
    
    Agreed. Netflix has been the saviour to intelligent non-readers
    
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    January 10, 2018 8:53am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    The hypocrisy of the Hollyweird mob astounds me. Even now we have childish inane and narcistic shows on now, like “The Wives of Hollwood” which are purely there to titilate, and demonstrate to all what a morally corrupt and self serving bunch of women – and men – that peddle this crap.
    Even Marilyn Munroe would be turning in her grave.
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:46am
- Rich Prick
  
  This is just a typical purge that left wing ideologies go through every now and then. They’re fun to watch … from a distance.
  
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  January 10, 2018 10:20am
Don the Kiwi

Shawshank Redemption – what a great movie.
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January 10, 2018 8:17am
- kowtow
  
  Innocent white guy , evil Southerners , noble black supporting prop.
  
  Constant Hollyweird theme , too often casting southerners / white cops as corrupt in a corrupt system where it is hard to find justice and yet Hollyweird is corrupt to its core.
  
  Funny thing about all the protesting actresses is that they’re quite happy to lie they care about wimmins’ right but are whores as they’ll take the money to portray wimmin as sex objects on film.
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:45am
  - G152
    
    And for some inexplicable reason those same suddenly crusading women for womens rights and imagined male past transgressions don’t seem able to stick up for their muslim sisters rights to be treated as humans
    
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    January 10, 2018 8:52am
  - Digmen1
    
    And I think I heard that one of the biggest ex-whores is Oprah!
    
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    January 10, 2018 8:59am
  - Notsofast
    
    And here is a recent report
    https://www.amazon.com/Blind-Injustice-Prosecutor-Psychology-Convictions-ebook/dp/B074CW4WQL/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1515491955&sr=1-1&keywords=blind+justice#customerReviews
    
    In this unprecedented view from the trenches, prosecutor turned champion for the innocent Mark Godsey takes us inside the frailties of the human mind as they unfold in real-world wrongful convictions. Drawing upon stories from his own career, Godsey shares how innate psychological flaws in judges, police, lawyers, and juries coupled with a “tough on crime” environment can cause investigations to go awry, leading to the convictions of innocent people.
    
    In Blind Injustice, Godsey explores distinct psychological human weaknesses inherent in the criminal justice system—confirmation bias, memory malleability, cognitive dissonance, bureaucratic denial, dehumanization, and others—and illustrates each with stories from his time as a hard-nosed prosecutor and then as an attorney for the Ohio Innocence Project.
    
    He aanswers 7 questions here
    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/11/26/1717395/-Seven-questions-for-Mark-Godsey-author-of-Blind-Injustice
    
    My point is of course we have done this to Mark Lundy. His family were murdered in a mistaken debt endeavour, and instead of looking for these people, who are being investigated, we accuse him of the crime and lock him away for 17 years. This is being remedied but look at the gross carnage that is about to ensue.
    Yes, looking at you, Van der Kolk, Morgan, Grantham, Kelly and so on.
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:10am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “but are whores as they’ll take the money to portray wimmin as sex objects on film.”
    
    Can’t agree with you there – it’s the slippery slope to the islamist way of calling women who don’t cover up ‘whores’. I love a society in which women are free and beautiful and some, indeed, very sexy. Nothing wrong with that.
    
    Come on, was Marilyn Monroe a ‘whore’ for her portrayal of Lorelei Lee in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes?
    
    For me ‘whore’ means simply someone working as a prostitute, male or female. Actual sex for payment, not portraying a sexy woman.
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:16am
    - kowtow
      
      Not the same thing at all.
      
      I’m criticising, not the portrayal of wimmin per se , in any manner or form, but the hypocrites in Hollyweird and the media who have made a very lucrative living promoting the so called sexual revolution and yet who now faced with the consequences are bleating that something’s amiss.
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:57am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Nah, I’m glad we had the sexual revolution, and enjoying the sight of a sexy woman shouldn’t mean groping her. I’m sure you follow that principle in life, so why shouldn’t we expect all blokes to?
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:12am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        You downtickers, I guess you’re more along the islamist lines: covered up or ‘meat’?
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:13pm
      - lifesgood
        
        I have absolutely no time for these actresses now coming forward claiming they were groped. There is one little word they could have used -NO-. but I bet a pound to a penny they didn’t use it because they wanted to be A STAR. Prostitutes, that’s all.
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:51pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Selling sex for movie roles. That could be seen as a form of prostitution. But it would depend on the level of coercion.
        
        My point was was that *portraying* sexy women in a film doth not a prostitute make.
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:15pm
- Inandout
  
  The Green Mile to a lesser extent, and the big fella who vomited rice bubbles wasn’t that innocent it seems.
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:46am
  - kowtow
    
    Again evil white justice system pops mystical black guy.
    
    And to compound that the one nasty white bully is portrayed in a totally humiliating way.
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:00am
- Biscuit
  
  Uncanny, Don, I just posted this on another site I frequent:
  
  Okay, my Top Ten list (you’ll note I can’t count!) is complete:
  
  01. Stand By Me
  02. Field Of Dreams
  03. The Shawshank Redemption
  04. Amadeus
  05. The Godfather Part II (Thanks for reminding me of that one, Older Black Neighbour)
  06. 2001: A Space Odyssey
  07. A Clockwork Orange
  08. Breakfast Club
  09. The Remains Of The Day
  10. Lord Of The Rings: The Return Of The King (because I will get exiled from New Zealand if I don’t include one of the Dear Lord Will Someone Please Stick That Ring Up Frodo’s Behind trilogy!)
  11. Chariots Of Fire
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:47am
  - JIV
    
    A very serious list! How about some more light hearted entertainment, like Princess Bride or Blues Brothers
    And where do you stand on Jaws?
    
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    January 10, 2018 8:57am
    - VicParking
      
      Blues Brothers just for writing off all those cop cars
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:05am
  - MCos
    
    Your numbers 3 5 & 9 I’d go along with. The #9 book is well worth a read too. I’d add the first Godfather.
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:15am
  - Huevon
    
    Amadeus is an outstanding film, but often seems to be overlooked in lists like this. Can a scene in any movie improve on this…
    https://youtu.be/vNaXQQbcgw0
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:23am
  - SGA
    
    If you are a fan of Coen Brothers’ style of movies (not everyone is), then I would recommend Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri (it’s not actually a Coen movie, but it has a similar feel).
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:33am
    - Lance
      
      Oh no. The acting might have been good but what a messed up story.
      Dunkirk should have pissed all over Three Billboards at the Golden Globes for the story, the cinematography and the pace.
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:48am
      - SGA
        
        To each their own 🙂
        I enjoyed Dunkirk, but it wouldn’t be on my must-watch-again list.
        
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        January 10, 2018 9:53am
      - Lance
        
        Not my top movie, just way better than Three Billboards.
        
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        January 10, 2018 10:03am
      - kowtow
        
        I thought Dunkirk was shit.
        
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        January 10, 2018 10:37am
      - Longknives
        
        I thought Dunkirk was the best War film I’ve seen in years.
        No chance at the Academy Awards though- Could you imagine the shrieks and howls of outrage from Oprah,Will Smith and co if a movie about a group of White Men won the best picture Oscar??
        *Remember the Left were criticising the film for not having enough ‘Diversity’ in it’s cast…
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:01am
      - Paulus
        
        The American thought that Dunkirk was lousy – they said openly No Broads and No Blacks, so no good
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:00pm
  - SGA
    
    06. 2001: A Space Odyssey
    
    I watched this again a few years ago (after a gap of 20+ years) when I bought a Kubrick threesome (plus A Clockwork Orange, and Full Metal Jacket) on sale and I didn’t enjoy it so much. It hadn’t aged as well as the other two, imho.
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:39am
  - SGA
    
    One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest is a personal favorite.
    Anything but Forrest Gump (can’t stand that movie for some reason).
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:42am
    - Biscuit
      
      Forrest Gump – spit – beat The Shawshank Redemption in the Best Picture category at that year’s Oscars.
      
      I have been highly sceptical re Hollywood’s values ever since!
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:36am
      - realityczech
        
        “I have been highly sceptical re Hollywood’s values ever since!”
        
        Oh really and what “values” did you think Hollywood had ?
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:22pm
    - Liberty
      
      Gump reminds be of Trump.
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:56am
      - gump
        
        Ouch!
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:29pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      I enjoyed Forrest Gump – so feel good 🙂
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:47am
      - Kimbo
        
        But a disgrace that it beat out ‘Pulp Fiction’ for the Oscar for Best Picture in 1995. FG’s director, Robert Zemeckis also beat Quentin Tarantino for best director, but some 20+ years later there seems little doubt who had the bigger effect on cinema history courtesy of each movie. As you say ‘Forest Gump’ is feelgood and well-crafted, but not much else. Pulp Fiction, no matter whether you love it or loathe it is…genius. And not just by playing tricks with the narrative structure.
        
        Almost as bad a decision as ‘Rocky’ beating ‘Taxi Driver’ in 1977.
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:59am
      - SGA
        
        Agreed about Pulp Fiction (sorry, Shawshank fans; very good movie, but it would have been my second choice for the Oscar that year – to each their own 🙂 ).
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:16pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …or another awful Oscar decision, The Cecil B DeMille/Charlton Heston clunker ‘The Greatest Show on Earth’ (no one has ever heard of it today) beating out ‘High Noon’ for best movie in 1952.
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:27pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @SGA
        
        …but then I seem to recall we jested a few years ago, before the wooden Leonardo DiCaprio was awarded best male actor Oscar for ‘The Revenant’, that if you do an “Auschwitz” (n ‘beautiful’ actor becoming emaciated and/or ugly for the role) and/or “a retard” (disability of some sort, especially mental) and they have to give it to you. 😉
        
        Hence Forest Gump…
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:39pm
  - KevinH
    
    Pulp Fiction, Bladerunner, The Exorcist
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:00am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Not bad Biscuit. I would add Deliverance, Bataan (from the 1950’s), Good Morning Vietnam, The Poet’s Club – many others – particularly anything with Clint Eastwood – both acting and directing.
    Also Steve McQueen – Great Escape, and Bullit (cos I love fast cars – used to do motor-racing – and my son has a 1966 Mustang GT fully restored) 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:44am
    - Biscuit
      
      Ah, Deliverance, yep. Top Twenty for me.
      
      The Poet’s Club? DPS? Williams? If so, yep, that’s in, too…
      
      I’d have Good Will Hunting, too – I have the end song ‘Miss Misery’ on my computer Playlist!
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:43pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Citizen Kane (“Rosebuuuuuud!”) and Casablanca deserve their reputations as all-time cinema greats. Others of that era – Gone with the Wind – not so much.
    
    And The Graduate (“Ben…Ben…I want to say one word to you. Just one word…Are you listening?…Plastics”) is brilliant.
    
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    January 10, 2018 12:05pm
    - Random Punter
      
      The Maltese Falcon, Double Indemnity, Brief Encounter, High Noon, Sunset Boulevard…
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:38pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes!
        
        Especially Gloria Swanson as Norma Desmond in ‘Sunset Boulevard’:
        
        Joe Gillis: Wait a minute, haven’t I seen you before? I know your face.
        
        Norma Desmond: Get out! Or, shall I call my servant?
        
        Joe Gillis: You’re Norma Desmond. You used to be in silent pictures. You used to be big.
        
        Norma Desmond: I AM big. It’s the pictures that got small.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMUJpec6Bdc
        
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        Norma Desmond: [to newsreel camera] And I promise you I’ll never desert you again because after ‘Salome’ we’ll make another picture and another picture. You see, this is my life! It always will be! Nothing else! Just us, and the cameras, and those wonderful people out there in the dark!… All right, Mr. DeMille, I’m ready for my close-up.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMTT0LW0M_Y
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:43pm
  - CrazyIvan
    
    I’d add in Lawrence of Arabia, The Third Man, and The Searchers (my favourite John Wayne movie).
    
    In terms of Dunkirk, I enjoyed it but also wouldn’t be on my must watch again. A Bridge Too Far is probably just ahead in my preferences for war films
    
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    January 10, 2018 1:07pm
    - KevinH
      
      I was a little dissappointed with Dunkirk, it wasn’t an epic movie.Would of been better if Peter Jackson produced it.
      
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      January 10, 2018 1:13pm
      - CrazyIvan
        
        I fear that Peter Jackson would have turned it in to a CGI-fest and lost some of the elements of the story. Having said that, I’d love to see a PJ war film (in that its one that he hasn’t done) – just not a remake of Dambusters as it would always be compared to the original.
        
        Maybe an original story about Crete, the desert war or the Amiens prison raid. Or possibly Cassino (which would have an international flavour).
        
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        January 10, 2018 1:23pm
    - SGA
      
      A Bridge Too Far is probably just ahead in my preferences for war films
      
      When I think of war films, Das Boot springs to mind. And, of course, Kelly’s Heroes 🙂
      
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      January 10, 2018 1:32pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      What about “Saving Private Ryan”? Has to be up there.
      
      And the series “Band of Brothers” – very good for TV.
      
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      January 10, 2018 4:51pm
- RF
  
  Yep but after 20 repeats one becomes bored watching it.
  
  It is neck and neck with how the West was Won.
  
  P.S. And the Green Mile…
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:42am
  - flipper
    
    I guess that deciding which movies are “greats” I tend to think about those I want to retain in an active digital library that is space limited and cannot (unless someone can tell me how to do that) from a “My SKY HDI” to a back up system.
    
    That means that entertainment, for me anyway, tops all the pseudo intellectual BS movies that some people push.
    Of those listed by many above there are some very, very good ones. But of those screened on TV over the past five/six years only two have survived repeated screenings and re-evaluation over the months and still remain in the 50% memory that I reserve for long term storage – “The Shawshank Redemption”, and the “Godfather” (but Parts 1 and 2). I have also kept and from time to time review “Taken” and “Schindler’s List”.
    
    My evaluation of other movies is linked more to the leading actors – folk such as Gable, Leigh, Todd, Peck, Cooper, Welles, Douglas K, Heston (the latter probably more because I had dinner with him and his wife when they visited Wellington in the late 60s). The other consideration, perhaps that most important to me, is history.
    
    Ohhh, you might ask, what is on the rest of the 50% ?
    Simple – sport (noteworthy AB matches including two World Cups) and History Channel coverage of people and events from Rockefeller to to Churchill to Keith Murdoch’s (Rupert’s Daddy), to Normandy, The Bulge, the Pacific, Israel’s evolution and Vietnam.
    
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    January 10, 2018 2:31pm
    - Mummy
      
      Did you see Charlton Heston play tennis against Peter Snell in Mercer Street outside the municipal building? On the street just below my father’s office.
      
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      January 10, 2018 4:32pm
      - flipper
        
        Yes I did. Quite an event in front of the then library – all the brain child of an old friend, the late Ian Wells.
        
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        January 10, 2018 5:53pm
twofish

The woman who made headlines during Rhythm and Vines for standing up against her sexual assaulter is planning a “glittery march for consent” later in January …
“We are marching to stand in solidarity with each other and for anyone who has ever been the victim of sexual assault, victim blame, anyone who wants to stand up and say ‘this is my body and these are my rights’,” she wrote on the Facebook event page.

Why does she not just have the man (well-identified in the video) charged with assault?
Or, in her owns words, would her assault of him be a problem?

“Nobody has the right to touch you without your consent – it does not matter what the circumstance may be, your body is yours and nobody has the right to take that away from you.
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January 10, 2018 8:27am
- cmm
  
  She certainly could not claim self defence if the threat was already gone when she started her counter attack.
  
  It seems to me that this is all going to her head and she’s milking it for all the publicity she can. It is almost like she deliberately flashed her tits to get the reaction she wanted.
  
  Too bad this is distracting from the serious sexual assaults/domestic violence that are a real problem.
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:34am
  - Sideoiler
    
    ……It seems to me that this is all going to her head and she’s milking it for all the publicity she can. It is almost like she deliberately flashed her tits to get the reaction she wanted……
    
    Attention Whore is the description you are looking for.
    
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    January 10, 2018 8:53am
    - sooty
      
      Some questions about glitter tits.
      I have not seen vidieo or photos, but some people said he touched the arm, not tit.
      She swung first slap. Is that assault?
      What would happen if he slapped back?
      Is that assault or defence?
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:17am
      - KKKKatee
        
        I’ve seen the video and I thought it was her arm he touched as well. And it wasn’t a grab either. This little drama queen is going to try and milk this for all it’s worth by the sounds of things. Imagine, Queen St full of boobs of all shapes and sizes covered in glitter. Yesterday’s news. One thing I dislike is a loud mouthed protester….. and an American one at that.
        Perhaps the usual rent-a-mob will join in – imagine Sue Bradford outing her boobs.
        
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        January 10, 2018 10:06am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Did you have to put that image in my brain Katee? I need mind-bleach urgently!
        
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        January 10, 2018 10:42am
      - sooty
        
        Might pull the wrinkles out of her face!
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:59am
- Classic Liberal
  
  ‘would her assault of him be a problem?’
  
  Damn, I’ve always liked a forward hussy… Won’t happen if any first move from anyone becomes ‘assault’.
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:35am
- Muzza M
  
  She’s the type of Yank that gives Yanks a bad name. All drama and no substance. Go home you silly bitch.
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:47am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Glitter boob consent protest march.
  That’ll show ’em.
  Might I suggest Mt Roskill ?
  
  I wonder just how provocative this young American woman wants to dress (undress) and behave whilst expecting mongs to behave like monks ? Invisible g-string and glitter tits twerking furiously down Queen St ?
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:55am
- Longknives
  
  I will Re-post my thoughts from last night’s GD-
  
  The ‘Glitter Tits’ Girl is starting to look a bit dubious to me.
  A fucking seven minute scripted rant about ‘Inequality’ and ‘Diversity’ to the Media?
  And now she’s organising protests and encouraging ‘Gender Diverse’ people along?? (What the fuck does this have to do with Trannies?)
  All seems a bit scripted and political to me..
  
  Grow up lady- You went topless to a Music Festival with thirty thousand people off their faces on drink and drugs. ONE idiot makes a grab at your breasts (Though your subsequent desperation for Media attention has me wondering if this was maybe a ‘work’??) and this gives you the right to pontificate to the whole Country and arrange protests that will grind Auckland CBD to a halt??
  The Green Party List awaits this person…
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:10am
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    It was all her fault, right? Not that rape culture even exists or anything…
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:11am
    - Longknives
      
      I think the idiot who groped her should be Criminally Charged Psycho Milt.
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:18am
    - cmm
      
      Of course she should be able to walk around topless (or naked) without being harassed, but this is the real world.
      
      I should be able to leave my wallet on a park bench and come back a week later and find that nobody has stolen the cash.
      
      But that’s not the world we live in.
      
      Go flashing your tits at a concert with 30k people (or leaving your wallet on a park bench) is a deliberate provocation for something to happen.
      
      If one bloke lightly groped her it no more means we have a “rape culture” than someone picking up my park bench wallet means we have a crime wave.
      
      One or two incidents do not a culture make.
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:43am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I wonder what sort of a visa she has. Does it allow her to work for wages or run a business.
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:31pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      I absolutely agree with you Psycho
      Glitter Tits engineered this very situation to score herself some attention.
      She got it and now she wants some more.
      I like the term “Attention Whore” as it describes that loud- mouth perfectly.
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:04am
  - doggone7
    
    Her desperation? Or the media’s desperation to give her attention to fill their spaces?
    
    The woman who none of us would have heard about except for the idiot guy? The woman, with thoughts about stuff in the world (we all have them), which none of us would have known about but for the platform provided by the idiot?
    
    A woman pontificating to the whole country? Like we are on here?
    
    Mind you I know you’re not serious because you said “thirty thousand people off their faces on drink and drugs.” Rubbish.
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:47am
- Psycho Milt
  
  Why does she not just have the man (well-identified in the video) charged with assault?
  
  Identified, was he? Who was it then?
  
  Or, in her owns words, would her assault of him be a problem?
  
  It wouldn’t. Chances of a prosecution resulting from her slapping a guy who sexually assaulted her = 0, and rightly so. His chances of copping a sexual assault charge if he were identified = not that high seeing as she got her licks in, but definitely non-0.
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:10am
  - Longknives
    
    He didn’t ‘Sexually Assault’ her.
    It was an Indecent Assault.
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:20am
    - KevOB
      
      It was also a breach of the peace at the least on her part. The Police seem to have forgotten that ancient charge.
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:04am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Barely that LK. No more than a quick touch as in the game of tag. Another righteous American.
      
      I in no way condone sexual assault/indecent assault but this is just total over-reaction, attention seeking by this girl. Get your tits out, great laugh until you get the reaction you’re looking for. ?
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:32am
      - VicParking
        
        The story I heard is that she walked past. His mates said did you see that. He did not so he got up chased after her, touched her arm so she would turn round for him to see.
        His mates will back him up..no case to answer.
        If she did not want people to admire her breasts she should not have painted them up and walked around.
        And for the record they did not impress me, too saggy for her age, assuming she has no kids.
        Looks like she could do with a good bra.
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:20am
      - Psycho Milt
        
        And for the record they did not impress me, too saggy for her age, assuming she has no kids.
        
        What record was that for, exactly? The “Rape Culture” record or the “Ugly shit VicParking should keep to himself” record?
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:00pm
      - GoVege
        
        Sure you’re not experiencing sour grapes, Vic. ..or sour melons?
        
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        January 10, 2018 6:47pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      If she touched a man on the breast would it be Indecent Assault.
      
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      January 10, 2018 2:33pm
  - cmm
    
    “Chances of a prosecution resulting from her slapping a guy who sexually assaulted her = 0, and rightly so.”
    
    Err, why?
    
    She cannot claim self defence because he had already sat down and stopped offending by the time she went and slapped him.
    
    But hey, chick, so she would probably get off.
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:47am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Err, why?
      
      Because police have discretion to prosecute and can usually recognise when fuckwits are trying to waste their time.
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:02pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    So she would be using either:
    – the “it’s ok when the Left do it” defence
    Or
    – the “two wrongs make a right” defence for her violent assault.
    
    Once again, a case where a woman would oppose equal treatment (under the law). Typical a la carte feminist approach to equality. The pendulum will swing brutally back, it always does.
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:15am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      Two wrongs make a right? If you go about groping people you’re likely to end up sore or even injured, but it’s only you who’s done something wrong.
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:03pm
      - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
        
        Comrade Psycho,
        There is no need for the plebs to take matters into their own hands. It is the States prerogative to punish wrongdoing, not the victim. Remember, it is our goal to make everyone guilty of something!
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:51pm
      - KevinH
        
        A long time ago when I had hair and a flat belly I was partying with friends at Sweet Waters in Ngaruawahia.
        We were passing around a reefer and sipping warm beer in our tent when all of a sudden the tent collapses.
        We rushed outside expecting the boys in blue but surprise surprise it was a totally nude twenty something had passed out on our tent.
        After taking in this splendid sight we did the decent thing by firstly covering her and then attempting to revive her by poring water on her face.
        Not once did any of us touch or do any thing rude to her.
        She eventually came around and freaked. She was high on lsd and had no idea how she got where she was.
        One of the lads volunteered to escort her back to her tent but she was so disorientated she didn’t know where it was so instead he dropped her at the first aid centre.
        She could of easily fallen prey to unscrupulous males but that day she was lucky.
        
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        January 10, 2018 1:29pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Groping, is a simple touch on the arm a grope now ? So I can accuse that women who tried to get my attention the other day by doing that to me …?
        
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        January 10, 2018 1:31pm
      - Psycho Milt
        
        Groping, is a simple touch on the arm a grope now ?
        
        And for our next lesson in rape culture, the way the blokes morph the indecent assault into a “simple touch on the arm.”
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:33pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Rape Culture” LOL 🙂
    
    But seriously… the meat-sacks should be charged for their very public false allegations and be forced to pay massive compensation so they die in poverty.
    
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    January 10, 2018 6:52pm
- Huevon
  
  The kind of women that are involved in radical feminism are really not the kind of women who should be walking in public with their tits covered in glitter.
  
  Don’t believe me? Imagine Green MP and Undersecretary for Hatred of White Males, Jan Logie.
  
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  January 10, 2018 10:48am
calendar girl

Sadly, the once-proud BBC has now submitted totally to the anti-Trump trash talk: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42619347
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January 10, 2018 8:33am
- ztev
  
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  Trump trash talk ?
  
  Trump supplies the trash talk himself.
  
  This is a direct quote from his meeting with farmers yesterday
  
  “Oh, are you happy you voted for me,” President Trump said as farmers applauded him. “You are so lucky that I gave you that privilege.”
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:53am
  - Digmen1
    
    He’s just joking, he has a good sense of humor
    Did you watch the video and hear the applause he got.
    The farmers really like him.
    
    He told them he was cutting their death taxes, and they all cheered, then he said it would not help them (as they would be dead) Another great Joke!
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:02am
  - JibberJabber
    
    LoL, you absolutist literalists are so far up your own arses you can`t see you`re being trolled by a master.
    His every utterance is being tweeted,twattered and retweeted and the morons lap it up with a spoon cos` it makes you feel superior when in reality it`s going right over your head.
    LoL. ” I`m like really a genius” , that one was pure genius because the Liberal and Millennial fuckwits can`t possibly understand the subtly.
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:03am
    - ztev
      
      You reckon hes so smart ?
      
      hes the ultimate WYSIWYG president, there is no mask. If its a ‘story’ it will be repeated over a over.
      he really does think its a privilege for the public to vote for HIM
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:11pm
      - JibberJabber
        
        Whooooooosh…..
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:19pm
      - ztev
        
        Trump would say openly and in front of her that Melania was a ‘Trophy wife’
        It wasnt something to be hidden.
        same goes for the Hicks at the Farmers conference
        
        ““Oh, are you happy you voted for me,” President Trump said as farmers applauded him. “You are so lucky that I gave you that privilege.”
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:22pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Thank goodness Peter Davis never said that about Helen. 🙂
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:23pm
      - axeman
        
        So ‘Melania was a Trophy Wife’. Is that how you described Caropotamus, booby?
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:56pm
  - Harkman
    
    The unedited version:
    
    “It was absolutely — and I have to say this: When I signed it, I said, oh, I’m going to be killed on this one. And you know what? People came to me and they saw me, and they were crying. Men that were tough and strong, women that were tough and strong — they’d see me, their tears coming down their eyes because I gave them back their property, I gave them back their farms. They couldn’t use them. (Applause.) We ditched the rule, I call it. We ditched the rule. (Applause.)
    
    We’re streamlining regulations that have blocked cutting-edge biotechnology, setting free our farmers to innovate, thrive, and to grow. Oh, are you happy you voted for me. (Laughter.) You are so lucky that I gave you that privilege. The other choice wasn’t going to work out too well for the farmers, I hate to tell you — (laughter) — or the miners or anybody else. Because we know that our farmers are our future. So true.
    
    We are removing harmful restrictions on forestry so you can log more timber, plant more trees, and export more renewable resources to other countries. Make money doing it. (Applause.)”
    
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    January 10, 2018 12:29pm
    - ztev
      
      What would the ‘signing version’ of that be ?
      
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      January 10, 2018 3:23pm
- stephieboy
  
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  calendar girl ,the worlds your oyster with You Tube and Alex Jones and other associated crazies .
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:32am
Digmen1

Just as Trump starts to Make America Great again.
Starting the Wall
Cutting Aid to supporters of Terrorists.
Stopping Chain Immigration (watch out NBZ)
Cutting Taxes for the middle class
Trying to sign the anthem (which of us could?)
Helping businesses and Framers.

None of these things get reported in the MSM.
You have to watch Fox News and Al Jazeera
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January 10, 2018 8:40am
- Biscuit
  
  Digmen, why ARE the Americans so concerned about the visual capabilities of a Mexican?
  
  ‘Jose, can you see…’
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:49am
- VicParking
  
  Come on. They can’t be expected to comment on a man who is suffering from Dementia, that would be nasty.
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:52am
  - VicParking
    
    Sarcasim not going down well at KB this morning
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:22am
- ztev
  
  Trump had a meeting with leaders from Congress to look at the options for Immigration, as their was both sides there they presented their options.
  
  Trump? he was in favour of ALL OPTIONS from both sides.
  eg
  ” Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein asked Trump whether he would support “a clean DACA bill now with a commitment to do comprehensive [reform] next?”
  
  “I would agree to that.”
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:56am
  - cmm
    
    ztev, it would seem that problem solving is not one of your strong points.
    
    When there’s a problem there are often multiple ways to address it, each with pros and cons. For example to make roads safer we can reduce the speed limit, make sure cars are safe (WOF) and reduce drink driving. We don’t just choose one way to fix the problem.
    
    There are many ways to reduce illegal (ie. criminal) immigration, there is not just one way. If you apply all these methods then you will have better success than if you apply just one.
    
    * Cut down on hand outs to illegals. That’s the jam that attracts the wasps. Take away the jam and a lot of the wasps don’t even bother to come.
    
    * Putting up physical barriers (ie. build a wall) will help reduce influx from the people who go through the deserts – many of them dying and getting raped on the way.
    
    * Shut down sanctuary cities.
    
    * Repeal DACA. Why should the kids benefit from the crimes of their parents? If a bank robber’s kids can’t keep the money when the robber is arrested, then why should kids who got into Mexico illegally be given USA citizenship?
    
    If the other approaches are successful enough then they can reconsider building the wall.
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:59am
    - ztev
      
      You would think there was some sort of Trump policy that said all of what you said.
      You can work it out, why doesnt he.
      
      “who could imagine immigration reform could be so hard” ????? – my paraphrasing
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:14pm
      - cmm
        
        The hard part is not working out what has to be done.
        
        The hard part is getting it through an obstructionist congress etc.
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:15pm
      - ztev
        
        Trump took a while to understand as one senator told him.
        
        ‘I dont work for you Mr President’
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:25pm
- stephieboy
  
  Digmen1 ,
  
  starting the wall ?? Blueprints available ?
  
  Trying to sign the anthem (which of us could?)
  
  John Key’s and Bill English exempt too ?
  
  Helping businesses and Framers.?
  
  Corporate welfare and subsidies ??
  
  Cutting Aid to supporters of Terrorists.
  
  UN fund terrorists like ISIS ?
  
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  January 10, 2018 10:09am
  - lofty
    
    “Trying to sign the anthem”
    
    Yes quite right, which of us could, including the POTUS.
    
    Sign language is an art in itself
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:55am
VicParking

A worrying trend is developing on Red Radio. Under the last government, anything that went wrong was the relevent Ministers fault. Under Labour it is the relevent “Agencies”mistake.
This is all to clear when over Christmas, woops the Holidays, they came down heavy on the Road Transport Authority who was at fault for the King Tides and the Weather and who now are now to blame for any increases in Supermarket price increases.
When the Labour politicians return from troughing it overseas they will let their PSA members off the hook by blaming bad funding by National. Expect three years of this.
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January 10, 2018 8:43am
- waikatogirl
  
  Taxpayer paid propaganda radio.
  Get rid of red radio and spend it on something beneficial to the taxpayers funding it.
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:48am
  - VicParking
    
    I could do with a new car.
    
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    January 10, 2018 8:53am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Just keep a portion of your tax Vic, I’m sure IRD will understand! ?
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:02am
    - stephieboy
      
      VicParking , another one for a state funded beggar bowl handout?
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:36am
      - VicParking
        
        Stephie, I have paid more tax than you have by a factor of 10 I would say. Never once have I been on a benefit and paid and still have health insurance.
        I’d go on but I hear your favourite goat bleating.
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:30am
  - stephieboy
    
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    waikato girl, I would think there are a great many Rabid right options for you with this app,
    
    https://itunes.apple.com/az/app/tunein-radio/id418987775?mt=8
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:35am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Go away sb. ?
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:40am
    - Harkman
      
      Only 14 spam entries today, you’re slowing. Perhaps those rec drugs are wearing off. You’ll have a headache tomorrow.
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:52am
      - Harkman
        
        Correction, now 29 entries.
        
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        January 10, 2018 6:39pm
  - G152
    
    And get rid of our TV news.
    The obsession with things American and the sad sack democrats begins to grate after he first 10 minutes
    
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    January 10, 2018 12:25pm
- KevOB
  
  If the public servants turn on the government there will be no government. This lot are so unprepared, not even amateur grade, they need all the help and goodwill they can get from the permanent heads of departments.
  
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  January 10, 2018 10:08am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Sadly the heads of depts are pretty far-left leaning chardonnay socialist types. It’ll take years and years of blaming before they turn on Labour.
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:19am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Maybe not too long DP, perhaps those in service to the govt can get pretty annoyed continually being blamed for their masters’ shortcomings.?
      
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      January 10, 2018 1:47pm
rightoverlabour

More proof of global warming

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-42627090/snow-falls-in-the-sahara-desert\

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42623293

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/901731/US-weather-latest-storm-Grayson-bomb-cyclone-NYC-National-Weather-Service

https://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/901566/UK-weather-forecast-ice-snow-Met-Office-Coral-travel-advice-Scotland-England-Monday

Yes, I know these are just weather events, but since we get bombarded with all the warming alarmism, I though I’d balance this with some cooling alarmism.
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January 10, 2018 8:46am
- VicParking
  
  Don’t forget all that snow in the Sahara.
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:54am
  - howitis
    
    It did not snow in the Sahara for 37 years until it did last year.
    Then two years in a row.
    Uh Oh.
    2017 less 37 years. That is 1980. Oh that was during the Iranian revolution.
    Perhaps Iranian revolutions cause it to snow in the Sahara and the global warming crap is still happening /Sarc
    
    Who is telling porkies?
    Al ‘Pinocchio’ Gore’s nose must be half way to the moon by now.
    Elon musk can use that as a launch pad for his rockets. Govt subsidised of course!
    
    Lest we forget; 4 years ago early January 2014:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/antarctica/10548690/Antarctic-rescue-ship-now-stuck-in-ice.html
    …A ship which was used to rescue by helicopter 52 people from a trapped Antarctic ship has now found itself in need of rescue – after it got stuck in heavy ice.
    Having not moved for several days while preparing to airlift the passengers, the Chinese-owned Snow Dragon is now wedged in ice…..
    
    The mealy mouthed Marxists at the Guardian always have to have their stupid spin on such events
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/dec/25/rescued-scientists-warning-from-antarctica
    
    ….Simple observations told unhappy stories. Trawls of water reeled in hauls of plastic rubbish, now seemingly ubiquitous in the world’s oceans. On land, counts of Adélie penguins revealed the population had slumped near Mawson’s huts in Commonwealth Bay in East Antarctica. The birds are now commuting 40 miles to get food for their young. “Another 10 years there probably won’t be many left,” said Turney. The numbers of skuas seemed to have fallen too…..
    
    Full credit to the mealy mouthed Marxists they did have to admit that:-
    ….What has happened in Commonwealth Bay may be echoed around the continent in the future. In Antarctica sea ice is extending, for reasons that are unclear, but possibly through the actions of stronger winds churning out more and more sea ice. …
    Oh dear. There is MORE ice. Shhhhh.
    
    and when the actual story goes against your porkies blame the weather.
    …. even though the ship’s encasement was caused by the wind blowing ice around, making this a weather problem rather than a climate impact…
    
    So storms last week on the Coromandel were not weather but climate change. However when climate change hoaxers go on an expedition to prove there is less ice etc they blame reality on the weather .
    There is no winning with climate change fraudsters.
    The Marxists at the UN or wherever bad newspapers are sold will still back the bullshit.
    
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    January 10, 2018 12:25pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bangladesh records lowest temperatures in 70 years… 12 dead from cold
  
  http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/south-asia/normally-balmy-bangladesh-shivers-in-record-low-temperatures
  http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-01/08/c_136880252.htm
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:06am
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    MW, unusual weather patterns and extremes are signs of a healthy planet earth that we all should look forward to ?
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:39am
    - Inandout
      
      sboy: In 1941/2 Europe had one of the worst winters on record, so we can probably blame the millions of tons of explosives for this phenomena.
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:54am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Nope. They’re signs of what has always happened. Adults refer to these variations as “weather”. I suppose you would argue the “extreme” absence of hurricanes in the past decade or so is all the proof Chicken Little alarmists would need.
      
      Exploding Polar bear population – oops!
      Still summer sea ice in the Arctic -oops!
      NOAA predicts warm 2018 winter – oops snow in the Sahara!
      
      But by all means enjoy your childish AGW religion.
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:27am
    - Manolo
      
      Your hero Al Gore said exactly that!
      
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      January 10, 2018 3:17pm
- MCos
  
  Who needs climate scientists who have spent years figuring all this stuff out when you can get all the analysis you need from a bunch of anonymous multitalented regulars on Kiwiblog for no payment.
  
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  January 10, 2018 3:12pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Climate scientists wives, husbands, familys, bankers etc. who depend on the constant flow of cash from governments etc. to pay for their expenses? 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 3:16pm
  - realityczech
    
    “for no payment.”
    
    Pay us millions and millions of dollars and we will lie about the weather too 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 6:48pm
GazzaW

I’ve taken to watching more cricket this summer and I’m always fascinated with the situation of a team engaged in the run chase, not doing well and the runs per over getting inexorably more impossible until the chasing team is finally all out and it’s game over.

It’s difficult not to compare Labour chasing a target of 10000 houses (runs) with 52 weeks (overs) in which to win or lose the game. According to the scoreboard Twyford’s XI is 2086 under the required run rate with just 36 overs to go. The asking rate has gone up from 200 runs per over to 277.

So much for the blowhard captain’s pre-match spiel.
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January 10, 2018 8:47am
- VicParking
  
  I hear that two of Twitfords plans have been put on hold and that is the reason they are behind on their building plan. Global warming has held up his plan to import Igloos from Greenland, they are waiting for winter to arrive, and the unexpected snow has scuppered his plans to import kitset Musgum houses from Algeria.
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:07am
- RalphT
  
  Twyford will probably devise a Duckworth Lewis system to ensure that because of an unforeseen stoppage in the last week and despite being 7,000 houses behind, they are actually in front.
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:08am
- oldgolfer
  
  Excellent comparison, Gazza.
  I think Twyford is the sort of chap likely to stand on his wicket while trying to play a slow-medium from square leg.
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:43am
- MCos
  
  Cricket’s more interesting right now.
  
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  January 10, 2018 3:14pm
kowtow

Warmists rejoice!

The islands and reefs are growing.

‘China has caused alarm among its neighbours and in Washington by erecting military installations on what were previously reefs and partially-submerged islets in the strategically-important waters.’

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/09/diplomatic-protests-china-shows-militarised-artificial-islands/
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January 10, 2018 8:56am
- ztev
  
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  At least they didnt expell the inhabitants like UK did when they handed over Diego Garcia to US as a military base
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:01am
  - GazzaW
    
    What inhabitants?
    
    I agree the expulsion of the Chagossian inhabitants from Diego Garcia by Britain was appalling. Harold Wilson should have hung his head in shame for that appalling deal with the US.
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:26am
    - ztev
      
      Well the UK got polaris for it
      And it was Kennedy and Macmillan who did the original deal, although Wilson didnt rip it up when actual expulsion time came
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris_Sales_Agreement
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:25pm
- stephieboy
  
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  kowtow , climate deniers mourn . The Great Barrier shows continued signs of coral bleaching resulting from warmer ocean temperatures ,
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-39524196
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:44am
  - Harkman
    
    “Colder than Mars”
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:41am
  - G152
    
    And still thrives.
    All those dive boats taking diver tourists out to the reef every day
    
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    January 10, 2018 12:29pm
Digmen1

I just emailed the Herald and told them I did not like their continued left wing bias and the daily attack son Trump.
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January 10, 2018 8:57am
- Inandout
  
  Stop buying the paper, as thousand have done already.
  
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  January 10, 2018 8:59am
  - Digmen1
    
    I already did.
    But they are still online peddling their left wing rubbish, as are
    TV1
    Stuff
    TV3
    
    Where can we go?
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:07am
    - peterwn
      
      Whaleoil
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:26am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Nah, Whaleoil used to be good. Foxnews, Al Jazeera, Reuters. The Guardian for a left-wing slant and good English. Don’t bother with any NZ site besides Kiwiblog.
        
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        January 10, 2018 9:35am
      - Biscuit
        
        Peterwyn, to paraphrase a putdown I once read:
        
        ‘If Whaleoil is the answer, it must have been a bloody stupid question.’
        
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        January 10, 2018 10:40am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        That was actually a bumper sticker I had on my car during the 1978 election campaign; replace “Whaleoil” with “Social Credit” 😉
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:28am
      - ztev
        
        Hell be out of business due to the ongoing legal issues.
        Food and Grocery Council are paying dearly for their hit pieces in Whaleoil on their opponents.
        Akel is very good and eye wateringly expensive to defend your reputation.
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:28pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Hell will never be out of business
        
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        January 10, 2018 1:06pm
      - peterwn
        
        ztev – Cam has Brian Henry. Also in a recent comment he seemed supremely confident of victory against the OU academics (hope OU is not bankrolling his case). Cam, like the McLibel defendents, is not going to be crushed into the earth and gagged for life. Then there was chiropractors v Simon Singh in UK, the chiropractors ended up with a bloody nose. It appeared to be a first round knockout but Simon got off the mat and won the second and third rounds (leave to appeal and the appeal). Chiropractors decided wisely not to go to the Supreme Court.
        
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        January 10, 2018 4:41pm
    - jcuk
      
      ‘Off Switch’ and don’t buy … just come to KB 🙂
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:43am
    - stephieboy
      
      Digme1 , Alex Jones and You tube , of course !
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:46am
      - Harkman
        
        Chris Matthews & Rachel Maddow.
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:43am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “Where can we go?”
      Straight to the horse’s mouth. MSM ‘report’ that Trump said x. I think ‘what the..’, and go to the video or tweet of what he actually said: y!
      
      And we can do this in so many cases these days.
      
      Plus using specific sites such as jihadwatch that find the MSM stories relevant to their topic and analyse them.
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:48am
    - doggone7
      
      They peddle their online stuff to those who want it.
      You don’t have to look at it. The fact you do will make them happy.
      You don’t want the shit they’re presenting, you want them to present your shit.
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:49am
    - KevOB
      
      I dropped the TV news too.
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:10am
Inandout

In boring times I watch the old b&w ‘What’s My Line?’ with a Jack Daly, which ran from 1950 to 1967. The panel’s job is to pick a Guest’s occupation and while blindfolded, a Mystery Guest’s name. The anchor woman on the panel Arlene Francis seems no shrinking violet, and I wondered in those times how did a woman gain fame without ‘couching’? Was Jack Daly as professional in his private life as he is displayed?
An example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gR-vU44gd4
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January 10, 2018 8:58am
Jack5

An interesting case.

A Melbourne Christian school has been forced to change its rules to accommodate Sikh children.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/melbourne-christian-school-changes-tune-on-turbans-20180109-h0foek.html
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January 10, 2018 9:00am
- VicParking
  
  I here that all new Christian churches have to be built to face Mecca with room for 72 virgins in the nave. A new Wellington bylaw in the works. @FakeNews
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:12am
  - GazzaW
    
    Did anyone see the Pakistan batsman face Mecca, kneel and say a prayer after scoring fifty runs yesterday? Am I being intolerant feeling uncomfortable about that?
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:32am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Sledging at the cricket.
      My niece has outgrown her Barbie doll. May I get the doll for your wife?
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:42am
    - sam green
      
      Yep. How does that impact your life?
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:45am
    - MCos
      
      Yes
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:45am
    - VicParking
      
      Just look at the number of premier league footballers in the UK who pray when they first come on the field before the game and after they score a goal. No problem with it, at least we know who is who when the great crusade begins.
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:47am
    - ztev
      
      often Christian rugby and league players make religious gestures/prayers on field.
      Why is that a problem ? We all celebrate different cultural practices dont we ?
      
      ‘Samoa and Tonga share a prayer ahead of their Rugby League World Cup match in Hamilton.’
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/98570357/nothing-compares-to-the-beauty-and-raw-emotion-of-tonga-and-samoas-special-rivalry
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:33pm
    - Biscuit
      
      GazzaW, freedom of expression and all that guff…
      
      But I chuckle mightily when all the prayers prove to have been wasted – like Pakistan having been done, resultswise, by DLS-adjustments in their two outings here thus far this year.
      
      That’s not an anti-Islam thing, either. The Blues Super Rugby players are full these days of guys with crosses drawn on bandages around their wrists. Their God hasn’t been much interested in them, either, for yonks!
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:53pm
      - MCos
        
        Maybe the Blues need to sign up some of SBW’s mates from just down the road to put in a good word on match day.
        They’ve tried everything else.
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:20pm
    - stephieboy
      
      GazzaW. intolerant ? Maybe not but paranoid , yes !
      
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      January 10, 2018 1:11pm
  - stephieboy
    
    @Fox and Breitbart etc fake news
    
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    January 10, 2018 9:47am
    - Digmen1
      
      At least they are not left wing and anti Trump anything!
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:56am
      - stephieboy
        
        Digmen1 , is it a virtue when right wing media spread fake news like Dortmund and Pizzagate ?
        
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        January 10, 2018 10:02am
    - realityczech
      
      stupidboy, your friends at CNN and other propaganda outlets have been caught manufacturing fake stories and staging scene shots repeatedly. This was going on well before Trump and has now reached absurd levels.
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        This under the filthy dirty animal Obama.
        
        “US government spent over $500m on fake Al-Qaeda propaganda videos that tracked location of viewers”
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/us-government-pentagon-fake-al-qaeda-propganda-videos-a7348371.html
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:40pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc ,fake news ?
        
        Like Pizzagate and Dortmund ?
        
        Al Qaeda propaganda videos ? During the Iraq war ??
        
        2003- 2008 ” Filthy “GWB !
        
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        January 10, 2018 1:11pm
      - realityczech
        
        stupidboy I have no idea what you are talking about and obviously nor do you.
        
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        January 10, 2018 6:20pm
- MCos
  
  I had a look at the school’s web site. People who apply for entry are not automatically accepted. They could have turned away this kid who is clearly not Christian.
  I note that the fees average out at about $5000 per annum, which suggests to me that the school is heavily subsidized either by a trust or more likely by the taxpayer in which case they probably signed up to rules & regulations that overrode their own ones.
  
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  January 10, 2018 10:00am
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    Same deal from taxpayer that Whanganui Collegiate gets.
    I understand religious schools are allowed to give priority to active adherents.
    
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    January 10, 2018 12:37pm
- G152
  
  What part of ‘christian’ did they miss ?
  
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  January 10, 2018 12:31pm
Jack5

The troubled Chinese group, HNA, whose bid to take over big NZ finance company UDC has been rejected, is in controversy in Australia.

It is in trouble with the Australian Stock Exchange for failing to disclose how its 19 per cent stake in Virgin Australia is controlled. By October last year the total number of parties with relevant interests had grown to 11, and the updated January register lists 15 parties with relevant interests.

HNA has been in similar difficulties with Swiss regulators and NZ’s Overseas Investment Office, rejecting the bid by ANZ Bank to sell UDC to HNA, said it could not determine who the “relevant overseas person” intending to make the purchase was from the information provided. This meant the test in the Overseas Investment Act – which covers whether a person is of good character – was not met.

http://www.theage.com.au/business/aviation/hna-20180108-p4yyc0.html
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January 10, 2018 9:08am
- ztev
  
  Interesting that , jack. You raised this issue before Xmas and were right but for the wrong reasons.
  Someone in ANZ is going to get their hand smacked for not considering this as part of the bid.
  I suppose the offer was too good to turn down.
  
  Key as the new Chairman of ANZ ( NZ) wont be able to ‘help’ on the regulations side !
  
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  January 10, 2018 12:46pm
Jack5

Huwaei may be doing well in NZ, but it’s being knocked back from the big market – the United States.

A partnership with American giant AT&T has been cancelled at the last minute.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2127528/collapse-huawei-deal-att-will-threaten-china-us-trade
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January 10, 2018 9:15am
- cmm
  
  “the big market – the United States.”
  
  350 million people out of 9 billion or whatever? That’s about 3% of the market.
  
  Huwei have enough business opportunities elsewhere. While no doubt they would like to sell into USA too, they can still make huge advances without having to break down those doors.
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:34am
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, the big market for electronic and consumer goods.
    
    Buying power per person is far, far from equal.
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:08am
    - cmm
      
      From a consumer device perspective, Apple has the primo market completely wrapped up, so not much point taking that on… for now anyway. While that lasts it is a waste of time trying to compete with Apple. Compete with Samsung etc. maybe.
      
      If Huawei cuts a deal with AT&T you can bet they would have to sell the phones to AT&T on a razor thin margin.
      
      Huawei are a lot more than just consumer handsets. They also sell a lot of infrastructure gear (cell tower kit, networking etc).
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:54am
    - ztev
      
      hasnt red flags been raised in UK about the chinese takeover of a major data hub-
      https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/chinese-takeover-of-data-firm-prompts-security-fears-svfnlf2ns
      
      and in Sydney
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-20/security-concerns-over-defence-files-in-data-centres/8632360
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:50pm
      - cmm
        
        Why should anyone worry about being spied on by Huawei more than they are worried about being spied on by Cisco, Google, Facebook?
        
        Clearly the worst so far have been Yahoo.
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:17pm
      - ztev
        
        Its exactly why they dont want the Chinese having control as they know what the NSA is doing with western data companies
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:30pm
Jack5

Mum Stephie is late out of the troll starting gates these mornings.

She must be spending time giving a morning rark-up to the Stephie boys about their mall meanderings.

Mrs Stephie, it’s a waste of time. Follow the army legend and put a little something in the boys’ morning cup of tea.

Bromide’s the polite name. But just front up at the chemist and ask for it by the popular name: Kill Cock.

You better do something, Mum, before the boys bugger their already Stephiestani genetically weak eyesight with all this leering. Or they might even get arrested, or smacked around by an angry feminista.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2009/06/29/2611115.htm
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January 10, 2018 9:22am
- VicParking
  
  No Stephie has been sated, I can hear the goats bleating from here.
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:52am
Happychappy

Can anyone take time to explain the difference between Pan Maori and Iwi that Winston Peters is talking about when he says the way to fund Maori in the future is to take it away from Iwi Identities a give it to Pan Maori to distribute. I am probably wrong but i thought Pan Maori was to do with activists.
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January 10, 2018 9:23am
- Jack5
  
  Straight from the horse’s mouth: Peters on pan Maori approach on Maori TV.
  
  https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/politics/solve-maori-inequality-pan-maori-not-iwi-organisations–peters
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:34am
  - waikatogirl
    
    If Peters really believes in Maori ditching tokenism/separatism why did he go with the Liarbor and greens coalition???
    Peters can’t lie straight in bed let alone say it like it is.
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:57am
    - ztev
      
      The coalition partners maintain their identities.
      
      Worked for ACT and Maori party under national
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:52pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Anything to get his Utu over National. Principles don’t apply.
      
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      January 10, 2018 1:04pm
- VicParking
  
  Pan Maori is a fairy tale, as in Peter Pan.
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:55am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    In the Peter Pan Maori fairy tale would Nanaia Mahuta play the part of Tinkerbelle?
    
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    January 10, 2018 1:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There have been attempts to unite Maori tribal interests since the early 1800s.
  For a small time in the 1890s there was a Maori Parliament – Kotahitanga – that tried to lay the foundations for a Pan-Maori movement.
  Kingitanga never bought into it though.
  Some history here:
  https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=m1R6CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA1881&lpg=PA1881&dq=basil+keane+kotahitanga&source=bl&ots=e9Hdl4_3Ew&sig=Uuc4iMYZbk6YVyjPT5sB58RER4w&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjas6m96MvYAhXKjJQKHX_aBS8Q6AEIVzAL#v=onepage&q=basil%20keane%20kotahitanga&f=false
  
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  January 10, 2018 10:39am
- Inandout
  
  I don’t pan Maoris, they are best doing it themselves.
  
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  January 10, 2018 11:00am
- KevOB
  
  Maori are tribal. They have never coalesced and still fight each other. That’s why the Maori party was taken out–by Maori.
  
  Pan Maori used to refer to the Dept of Maori Affairs.
  
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  January 10, 2018 12:17pm
thetiedarch

The hypocrisy of these people:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11972126

They criticize this woman because she’s a member of a religion that treats women badly.

But these same people are silent on another certain religion.
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January 10, 2018 9:35am
- stephieboy
  
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  thetielarch,
  
  “.. silent on another certain religion.” ?
  
  In what ways ?
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:56am
  - Jack5
    
    Morning, Mrs Stephie.
    
    We’ve been holding the fort till you could get in.
    Just a tip: if you do try putting KC in the Stephieboys’ tea, you must remember not to get it in your own cup.
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:06am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
President Trump’s apparent inability to remember the National Anthem at a College football game is surely further evidence of mental instability ,or more chariably , creeping dementia ,

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/01/09/did-president-trump-forget-the-words-to-the-national-anthem/23328520/
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January 10, 2018 9:54am
- ztev
  
  Reagan:
  “”I have left orders to be awakened at any time in case of national emergency, even if I am in a Cabinet meeting.”
  
  Thats the difference, he recognised his limitations while Trump thinks he is best genius in the WH.
  
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  January 10, 2018 12:56pm
Digmen1

Could you sing our anthem right now
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January 10, 2018 9:54am
- VicParking
  
  I have lived through four different New Zealand National anthems. I gave up learning them after the third.
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:57am
  - VicParking
    
    Just for you millenniums
    God save the King
    God save the Queen
    God defend New Zealand – English
    God defend New Zealand – Pan Maori.
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:02am
- stephieboy
  
  Digmen1 1 , possibly not . Could you ? But I would expect a person in high office like the POTUS to have his Anthem off pat .
  
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  January 10, 2018 9:58am
  - Digmen1
    
    I only know the first six words!
    Lets ask Jacinda if she can as she is the acting
    PMONZ
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:03am
  - VicParking
    
    Who said he did not know it. @FakeNews. Does he need to mouth it so all lip readers can follow, no.
    He was most likely overcome with patriotism he had to stop for a second to catch his breath,
    Something you could do with Stephie….
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:06am
    - Digmen1
      
      A bit like most of our All Blacks, they can hardly ever sing our anthem.
      
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      January 10, 2018 10:17am
      - sooty
        
        Too busy dancing.
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:07pm
Zapper

Anyone remember this?

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/11/ardern_says_she_does_not_want_to_be_pm.html
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January 10, 2018 10:13am
- stephieboy
  
  Zapper , circumstances change such as a chronically poorly performing Andrew Little !
  
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  January 10, 2018 10:23am
  - ztev
    
    English said many times he wasnt interested in being PM after Key!
    Until the chance came ….
    
    He maydo a photo op of shearing a sheep but he goes quite a bit to the ballet – something he picked from his wifes interest.
    and that got a 23% funding increase while other ‘high arts’ were frozen.
    
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    January 10, 2018 3:41pm
- Harkman
  
  Perhaps ztev could add Jacinda to the list of liars.
  
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  January 10, 2018 11:49am
- doggone7
  
  I remember that. I remember a lot more people and occasions of people saying she wouldn’t be PM and her lot wouldn’t be in government. Funny how circumstances change.
  
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  January 10, 2018 12:33pm
Classic Liberal

Freedom of Speech: back to this all-important topic. If it’s not being discussed and defended in the MSM, we’re already losing it. If we’re not defending it NZ, we’re off the ball.

A summary of how smashing FoS is now happening in Germany: whole ‘Deletion Centres’ to get rid of anything the regime doesn’t like: https://motls.blogspot.co.nz/2018/01/german-censorship-social-networks-now.html
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January 10, 2018 10:14am
- stephieboy
  
  Classical Liberal ,’
  
  .. everything is banned in Germany now.” ?
  
  Examples ?
  
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  January 10, 2018 10:20am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Search for Netzwerkdurchsetzungsgesetz and NetzDG and German Censorship and examples of this law’s overreach will abound. Here’s a good one, satire banned: http://www.zeit.de/digital/internet/2018-01/beatrix-von-storch-twitter-titanic-gesperrt-netzdg-afd
    
    You need to understand, Stephie, that we must stand together for FoS. This law gets legally untrained minions in deleting dungeons to decide what people can post in Germany. No court cases, no legally balanced decisions.
    
    Heiko Maas, the MP who pushed this law through, has had a post deleted too: years ago he called an opponent ‘idiot’ in a Tweet. That’s all it takes under this crappy law.
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:41am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hardly an example of Book Burning Nazi style !
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:35am
      - Harkman
        
        And guess who was doing deals with the Nazis right up until war broke out, the First Labour Government.
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:51am
      - ztev
        
        The books burned in the iconic photo were from the Berlin Sex Museum/Library
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:43pm
      - ztev
        
        “who was doing deals with the Nazis right up until war broke out,”???
        
        Were we supplying timber to built concentration camps ?
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:45pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    More for you, Stephie: look what a tiny number of MPs voted this censorship law in: https://twitter.com/FranzAndes45/status/949279928419258369
    
    Fewer than 50! Earlier 600 decided pro homosexual marriage. Couldn’t be bothered staying in to vote on the censorship law.
    
    Way below quorum, but apparently this only becomes an issue if someone challenges it legally.
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:21am
    - stephieboy
      
      Whatever . Again the so called ” censorship ” is hardly a sign of banning Jewish and non Aryan authors , artists ,musicians etc
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:37am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        ‘First they came for…’
        
        If you won’t stand up for FoS, you’ll regret it one day.
        Just do some research, ‘whatever’ doesn’t cut it on this important topic.
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:40am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        OK, I get it, you just want to contradict everything on this site, even an enthusiast for FoS. I don’t think you’re worth bothering with.
        
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        January 10, 2018 11:47am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Who’s a pretty Polly then? Sqwawk! Examples? Sqwawk?
    
    Learn to Google!
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:32am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Good stuff Classical Liberal.
  
  Are you going to be defending Monika Schaefer’s right to free speech?
  
  Monika is a middle-aged German-Canadian activist who was arrested in Germany last week while attending the trial of Sylvia Stolz, a lawyer fighting for the right of Germans to discuss the past freely?
  
  And do you know what Monika was arrested for?
  
  Apologising
  to
  her
  Mum.
  
  It utterly stinks especially when you consider what else is going on in Germany right now.
  
  You can read her apology below:
  
  https://katana17.wordpress.com/2016/06/18/sorry-mom-i-was-wrong-about-the-holocaust-transcript/
  
  Or is this the type of free speech, like discussing racial differences in IQ & criminality, that you’d like to silence?
  
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  January 10, 2018 10:42am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    FWIW,
    
    I’m a great believer in that the truth does not need laws to protect it, only lies do.
    
    The truth is like a lion; you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself.
    
    https://goo.gl/images/Qs7Nzg
    
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    January 10, 2018 10:57am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    OK, I read it. She is saying the KZs were just work camps and people were kept healthy and gas chambers were for treating lice. So she is a crazy old woman who obviously is in total denial.
    
    However, I think a crazy old woman making such statements should be allowed, and the facts presented to counter her (if one need even bother with someone who is clearly mad).
    
    EAD, I have seen enough evidence to know that the holocaust happened and I believe you’re just stirring shit on this site to bring it into disrepute. Either that or you’re crazy. But that’s what downticks are for, not banning FoS.
    
    Back to FoS: only actual violent threats should be investigated if serious and those threatening perhaps arrested as a threat.
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:06am
    - aldo
      
      Hello why would people say this? Camps happened. Now south of my homeland which is Lebanon there are some very angry people.
      
      I like Israel. They get shot by Hamas and keep saying to others stop the shots. But they still shot.
      
      I don’t know why is this.
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:42am
      - realityczech
        
        “I don’t know why is this”
        
        It is pretty simple really. The Jews have laid exclusive claim to the region based on religious nonsense displacing people who lived there for generations. They have continued to invade and occupy land in breach of international law.
        
        The Jews are one of many different peoples, cultures, tribes and religions from the region. They were not the “first” and are only one of many.
        
        Are you also confused about why occupying German “settlers” were shot at and bombed, or is your mental block only activated when considering the Jews ?
        
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        January 10, 2018 9:13pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      EAD, I have seen enough evidence to know that the holocaust happened
      
      Really?
      
      Were you in Poland during this period for first hand experience or you getting your facts from Spielberg and other Hollyweird movies?
      
      I’ve been to Auschwitz to you know. I even looked at the crematoria facilities. If which there were 7 “exhibits” from the fully operational 14. Now let’s do some mental maths shall we.
      
      14 Crematorium x 3 per day (a body takes at least 8 hours to turn to ash) x 365 days x 2.45 years = less than 38,000 bodies turned to ash at Auschwitz. Let’s round it up to a generous 40k. Of course this assumes the crematorium was working around the clock with no downtime for maintenance and that 1940s technology was the equal of today.
      
      Where did all the remains go of the alleged 1 million (let alone the 4 million up until the 80s❗) go as there have never been any “mass graves” found?
      
      Or is believing more important than thinking?
      
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      January 10, 2018 8:57pm
      - realityczech
        
        The claims made about the number of bodies cremated are simply impossible given the available resources.
        
        Most inmates died from disease and were cremated for hygiene reasons.
        
        Even the Israeli Prime Minister has admitted there was no extermination plan, though there was for the Russians, with over 25 million killed. It is worth noting Russia had the worlds biggest Jewish population at the time. The holocaust figure is arrived at by guessing the number of Jews before the war and making up another number after the war. If we applied this to other religions more Christians died !
        
        There were mass killing throughout the war. Jews were one of a number peoples targeted by the Nazi party.
        
        Either way, close to 70 million people died in the war. Only some of whom were Jews.
        
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        January 10, 2018 9:20pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        The holocaust figure is arrived at by guessing the number of Jews before the war and making up another number after the war.
        
        The “6 million” number was arrived at a bit more scientifically.
        
        The “6 million” number is from the Torah, and in fact was chosen as a way of seeming to fulfill a prophecy of the Jewish scriptures (“You shall return minus 6 million”) in order to justify the existence of Israel.
        
        The 6 million deaths were prophesied to be “burnt offerings” hence why “gas chambers” is a key part of the narrative…
        
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        January 10, 2018 9:57pm
      - realityczech
        
        EAD, what pisses me off most of all is the callous disregard for the others who died particularly the Russians who suffered the most of any people.
        
        Shockingly we are once again seeing the rise of anti-Slavic hatred today.
        
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        January 10, 2018 10:22pm
      - Brito
        
        What a cock!!!
        
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        January 11, 2018 7:02am
    - katana
      
      `So she is a crazy old woman who obviously is in total denial.”
      
      “EAD, I have seen enough evidence to know that the holocaust happened and I believe you’re just stirring shit on this site to bring it into disrepute. Either that or you’re crazy.”
      
      Well, Classic Liberal, I’ve seen more than enough evidence to know that the “Holocaust” did NOT happen. I assume you understand what the definition of the “Holocaust” is, but for other readers who may not know, it consists of three things:
      
      1) The Germans had a plan to exterminate the jews.
      2) They used “gas chambers” primarily, to exterminate the jews.
      3) They exterminated six million jews.
      
      Now, my research into this subject has shown me that there is no credible evidence whatsoever for any of those three things. Of course, there is indisputable evidence that jews were put into labour camps and that many tens of thousands died as a result of disease, etc., particularly near the end of the war when German infrastructure was severely damaged, etc.
      
      When I was a “Holocaust” believer, most of life, btw, I newer thought of “Holocaust deniers” as being crazy, I just thought of them as being mostly ideologically driven, misguided, or just hateful.
      
      It’s revealing that you label Monika Schaefer, and then EAD_TWO as “crazy”. It’s no doubt comforting to you to label people who hold reasoned yet controversial views about the “Holocaust” as “crazy” since it then removes the need for you to re-investigate their views, or doubt your own.
      
      I can assure you that Monika is not crazy, except if you want to label someone who is courageous enough to publicly go against jewish power and tell the world they are being lied to, as “crazy”. EAD_TWO has also done the same, except for going public.
      
      Now in my own case, I’ve never been accused of being crazy by anyone publicly when I’ve explained my disbelief in the “Holocaust”, no doubt because I have the benefit of being more knowledgeable than those who I have talked to on this subject. I’ve had people become upset and angry, but never accuse me of being “crazy”, to my face, at least.
      
      My point here is that the “crazy”, or similar, label is just weak. It may scare away people misinformed and uninformed on the subject, but not wash with those who have bitten the bullet and done their homework.
      
      I would recommend those readers who really want to know the reality of the so-called “Holocaust”, that it is in fact a diabolical lie, that fits neatly into the New World Order scheme, to read some of the articles I have included at my blog, for example: https://katana17.wordpress.com/2017/12/28/probing-the-holocaust-the-horror-explained-transcript/
      
      An excellent source of revisionist books is: http://holocausthandbooks.com/
      
      There you can find over 30 books explaining different aspects, in great detail, as to why the “Holocaust” is “over-rated” to say the least.
      
      So, Classic Liberalism, please look into it.
      
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      January 11, 2018 1:04am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        What a great comment Katana – without doubt Kiwiblogs best comment of the year so far❗
        
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        January 11, 2018 7:14am
      - Brito
        
        Another Nazi cock. Fuck off back to never never land and read your war comics where the Krauts won. What a piece of self justified bullshit.
        
        Youtube and Internet scanners come up with their stooopid theories and then sit at the screen with their pants around their ankles. How can you type when you’re flogging?
        
        What a sad little bunch of Nazi homo eroticism.
        
        Fuck off!!
        
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        January 11, 2018 7:22am
      - Brito
        
        EAD, you have a Muslim name. You’re confused or trying to delude the bloggers.
        
        Homeland Security has your measure cock.
        
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        January 11, 2018 7:23am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Brito,
        
        Here is the Urban Dictionary definition for EAD.
        
        https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=EAD
        
        I suggest you go and do one❗
        
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        January 11, 2018 7:30am
      - softail 1450
        
        katana , you are a bonifide nutter ,how do you account for the hundreds of hours of footage and millions of documents that prove that the holocaust did occur.
        or are you just denying that the Jew was the greatest victim of that mass murder?
        
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        January 11, 2018 7:49am
      - Brito
        
        It means limp wrist with a passion for dressing up in drag ya cock sucker
        
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        January 11, 2018 8:23am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        how do you account for the hundreds of hours of footage
        
        All of that “footage” is of severly malnourished people in Labour Camps + those who had perished from malnutrition. Tragic yes, but thay was the result of relentless Allied bombing of supply lines at the end of the war. Let’s not forget millions upon millions of Germans also died from starvation and that is hardly ever talked about. Are you familiar with the Rhine Meadows I wonder?
        
        Also, do you ever wonder thay if the Labour camps were really “death camps”, why then were there were sooo many still alive (or dead from malnutrition/disease) when the camps were liberated? Hardly the sign of a people intent on “mass murder” now is it?
        
        Think dammit Softail, think❗
        
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        January 11, 2018 8:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    Germans, as far as I can gather ,are free still to post and peddle on blogs , forums etc arrant nonsense from Holocaust deniers and conspiracy theorists like you .
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:40am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      As you can see above, I’m not a holocaust denier. EAD is.
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:59am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      And you’re ‘right’, SweetieBoy, the NetzDG law isn’t quite totalitarian enough yet (only targets large social media). But it’s as if they heard you: the Greens in Germany are calling for a more sweeping law, so that those smaller blogs, forums etc are covered too: http://www.pfalz-express.de/kuenast-will-bundesweite-gerichte-fuer-hasskommentare-im-internet/
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:54pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Totalitarian ‘incitement of the masses’ and ‘insult’ laws already existed in Germany. The regime uses them as desired.
        
        2014 demonstrators screamed »Hamas, Hamas, Juden ins Gas!« and they were not prosecuted. Last year Michael Stürzenberger, who criticizes islam, got six months in prison for posting an historical photo of a Nazi and the Mufti on FB. Because ‘you can’t show the swastika’. This judgement was overturned on appeal, but it shows that the regime just uses these laws to persecute opponents.
        
        The regime felt that the internet was too big and free for the laws to be adequately enforced, so the new NetzDG uses the populace, STASI style, to dob each other in. Untested in court, the large social media have to delete things if they think something might be ‘obviously illegal’. Untrained minions remove your posts and ban you if you say something the social media fear will get them a huge fine.
        
        Now this Greenie Künast wants specialized courts set up to take the enforcement further, throughout the entire internet.
        
        That won’t solve the fundamental problem: FoS is severely restricted already under German laws and her idea is to enforce them further.
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:42pm
dime

Sounds about right.

“”As for Obama, all I can tell you is my old boss, former British prime minister David Cameron, thought Obama was one of the most narcissistic, self-absorbed people he’d ever dealt with,” he said during Sunday’s episode of the Next Revolution.

“Obama never listened to anyone, always thought he was smarter than every expert in the room and treated every meeting as an opportunity to lecture everyone else.

“This led to real world disasters like Syria and the rise of Isis, but the real world doesn’t matter to the elites – for them it’s all about style and tone, not substance and results.”
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January 10, 2018 10:44am
- Inandout
  
  He probably grew up being told he was black and the ‘bestest’ person because of it. He appeared on Myth Busters and saw black men placed in choice movie parts, regardless of their acting ability. No wonder he thought his shit didn’t stink.
  
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  January 10, 2018 11:07am
- stephieboy
  
  dime , can you source that other than say Breitbart o, Fox or the Pundit etc
  
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  January 10, 2018 11:41am
- Manolo
  
  Now the world knows: Obama is a supreme INCOMPETENT and narcissist.
  
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  January 10, 2018 11:45am
- Harkman
  
  I thought that Obama was sick in the head when he was giving the Presidential medal of freedom to scores of actors and singers, when other Presidents gave them out to soldiers, world leaders and actual icons.
  
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  January 10, 2018 11:59am
  - gump
    
    The Presidential Medal of Freedom is awarded for: “An especially meritorious contribution to the security or national interests of the United States, world peace, cultural or other significant public or private endeavors.”
    
    Would you like somebody to explain to you what the word “cultural” means?
    
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    January 10, 2018 1:07pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Well put.
      
      A bit like why mountaineers do what they do, I’d suggest if one has to ask, there is no answer that can satisfy them. 😉
      
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      January 10, 2018 1:10pm
    - Paulus
      
      Nearly all the New Zealand awards are Cultural.
      
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      January 10, 2018 2:16pm
Jack5

Bannon out of top job at Breitbart.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/09/steve-bannon-steps-down-as-executive-chairman-breitbart-news.html
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January 10, 2018 10:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

Another Eion Musk failure
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-08/highly-classified-spy-satellite-total-loss-after-spacex-mission-fails
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January 10, 2018 10:57am
- thetiedarch
  
  Don’t think it was SpaceX’s fault. Apparently both stages of the rocket operated nominally. It was the payload that failed. That was built by someone else.
  
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  January 10, 2018 11:33am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Not SpaceX’s fault. The whole assembly above the second stage (including the payload, fairing, and interconnecting structure and release mounts) were built and integrated by other US govt contractors as a classified ‘black box’ that SpaceX’s employees wouldn’t see inside. SpaceX’s rocket worked just as it should have, but something in the supplied payload assembly didn’t.
    
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    January 10, 2018 12:46pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      I guess we may never know who or what was at fault given the secrecy of the mission; but the fingerpointing has indeed begun.
      
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      January 10, 2018 1:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  MW, could we say that if it was under Obama’s watch he would be personally responsible but not Trump ?
  
  Other than that I fail to see your point other than Mishaps like this do happen .
  
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  January 10, 2018 11:43am
  - softail 1450
    
    streppieboy, I’m betting that if I called you a “fucking idiot” it would be a couple of words you’ve heard many times in your pathetic melancholy life.
    
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    January 11, 2018 8:03am
aldo

Hello my name is Aldo, I and family of mine have moved to NZ from Byblos in Lebanon. I like Trump and All Blacks.

We all very glad to be blogging and to be sharing with you. I enjoy reading your writing. I look at other blogs and they have no funny things.

Some of you are very funny I was told.

Thanks.
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January 10, 2018 11:07am
- fernglas
  
  Aldo
  The only ones on here that are funny are those who are not trying to be funny. The ones who try to be funny usually aren’t.
  
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  January 10, 2018 11:11am
  - aldo
    
    Hello I think I understand what you are coming with.
    
    My English will be better by more of these writings.
    
    Were you trying to be funny fernglas? It will help.
    
    Thanks
    
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    January 10, 2018 11:18am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      WoO
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:23am
    - Brito
      
      Outstanding comment!!!!!
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:33am
      - realityczech
        
        Now now Brittle take your hand off that Uzi and play nicely with our new friend 😉
        
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        January 10, 2018 12:26pm
      - Brito
        
        Welcome back rc. Your pith has been absent.
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:36pm
    - Que Sera Sera
      
      Aldo, ask about the trees, they are very funny about that subject.
      
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      January 10, 2018 11:35am
      - aldo
        
        Hello, ok. I ask about the trees.
        Thanks.
        
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        January 10, 2018 1:52pm
    - fernglas
      
      Aldo
      
      If you think my post is funny then it is because I was not trying to be funny. If you think it was not funny then it is because I was trying to be funny.
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:36pm
      - aldo
        
        Hello fernglas now I was confused. I think stephieboy is also confused. Am I right that he is saying he is idiot?
        
        Im not certain about the humour but maybe Brito could say why I was outstanding.
        
        Is President Trump not liked? We don’t see his problems like some say he has. We see that there is strong America again. Peace needs strong America. I come here with children and my wife for peace. No shots, no Hamas.
        
        I start my business and work. I will not ask for fraud from government.
        
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        January 10, 2018 1:43pm
      - starboard
        
        Just what we need..another kebab maker/taxi driver..
        How did you get into NZ ??
        Whats skills do you bring ??
        Suppose you cant be all bad..being a Trump supporter and all. ?
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:34pm
    - RF
      
      Aldo.
      
      Welcome to our beautiful country.
      
      You do not have to be crazy to post here but if you are, it will help you understand Kiwis.
      
      To quote an Australian saying… We are a weird mob.
      
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      January 10, 2018 6:03pm
    - lifesgood
      
      I think you are taking the mick.
      
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      January 10, 2018 6:25pm
- Manolo
  
  The funniest of the lot is stephieboy, a Muslim chap with a penchant for nubile females. 😀
  
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  January 10, 2018 11:47am
  - aldo
    
    Hi it’s Aldo, sorry didn’t know stephieboy was Muslim. Is bad but they do like young girls and boys but that is their way.
    
    Not mine or good people.
    
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    January 10, 2018 1:47pm
- VicParking
  
  Aldo. Stayed in Byblos. Lived in Aamchit. Great eating at Le Cap Amchit. Those were the days before the troubles. Bit of a stink whole now I understand.
  
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  January 10, 2018 11:50am
  - aldo
    
    Hello VicParking. Byblos is very beautiful. Like old woman with blue eyes and slow smile.
    
    Cracks in plaster but depth.
    
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    January 10, 2018 1:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  Aldo ,
  
  ” I like Trump ” Another useful idiot hopes aboard .
  
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  January 10, 2018 1:28pm
  - starboard
    
    Spell check idiot
    
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    January 10, 2018 2:10pm
    - stephieboy
      
      starboard , another useful idiot for Trump hops aboard !
      
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      January 10, 2018 2:56pm
- Johnboy
  
  Do you men shag the sheep in Byblos aldo?
  
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  January 10, 2018 1:44pm
  - aldo
    
    Hello Johnnyboy, thank you for asking but shag is a bird I think. Yes we have shag bird but not shag sheep so don’t know.
    
    Thank you.
    
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    January 10, 2018 1:50pm
    - Johnboy
      
      You are just too sweet aldo! 🙂
      https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Aldo
      
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      January 10, 2018 1:54pm
      - Brito
        
        Are you making a pass at Aldo #Johnboy?
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:08pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brito I don’t want hear of you sneaking back and setting up a kibbutz, and an apartment block, on aldo’s family farm ❗
        
        I know what you lot are like.
        
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        January 10, 2018 6:27pm
      - Brito
        
        I thought his lot lived north of the border. If they stay there everybody is happy. If not, then no more free kebabs or hummus for that lot.
        
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        January 10, 2018 9:56pm
    - holysheet
      
      No wonder you are a Trump supporter.
      http://www.byblosmiami.com/
      Is this your place?
      Welcome to NZ. Anyone who is a Trump supporter makes a change from the leftie snowflakes, who are all shit. The way to tell is by stoooopidboy being upset already. Anyone who can upset that little creep will do well here.
      What is you opinion on global warming? I hope you get the triffecter and piss off the village idiot at the same time.
      
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      January 10, 2018 3:19pm
- Gabby
  
  You seem like a very brito fello.
  
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  January 10, 2018 4:47pm
  - Brito
    
    Gobby a comment from you is worth…fuck all. Back under your rock.
    
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    January 10, 2018 5:16pm
    - Gabby
      
      Bitcho a comment from you is worth half an aldo +/- time taken to login on a new tab.
      
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      January 11, 2018 6:52am
      - Brito
        
        We should warn him that his children are in danger and any contact with Gobby the House Elf should be avoided.
        
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        January 11, 2018 6:57am
Manolo

How will Davos react?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/us/politics/trump-davos-world-economic-forum.html
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January 10, 2018 11:33am
cmm

Sick trash kids commit arson on an old ladie’s house while she is in it.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11972448

Poor old dear is really suffering Stockholm syndrome and says these kids need help.

What they really need is better respect for society … and maybe better parents.
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January 10, 2018 12:08pm
- realityczech
  
  No doubt – victims of colonialism. Fuck I hate YT !
  
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  January 10, 2018 12:30pm
  - starboard
    
    Why is it always the brown skins? ?
    
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    January 10, 2018 12:36pm
    - realityczech
      
      Cause YT is evil.
      
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      January 10, 2018 12:45pm
      - starboard
        
        Kids here in Thailand show the utmost respect for the elderly, not like the feral fuckin inbred bastards dragged up in Nil Ziland. Pure scum.
        
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        January 10, 2018 1:01pm
    - aldo
      
      Hello starboard, my name is Aldo. I have brown skin. It was hot in my country. I come here with my kids. They have brown skin.
      
      Will they get the trouble for this? What the deal and how can we make this YT thing a happy.
      
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      January 10, 2018 1:56pm
      - Digmen1
        
        Why did you come to a white country if you have brown skin?
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        aldo , brown skin is big no , no with alright on KB .Unless they may make you an honorary white like a certain Manolo .
        
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        January 10, 2018 2:52pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        brown skin is big no , no with alright on KB
        
        Who says?
        
        Where does it say there is a colour bar for this site?
        
        When has the host of KB ever displayed colour discrimination against anyone on his site?
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:23pm
      - starboard
        
        Pervert..no young muslim girl is safe in Auckland whilst steffybot is out and about sniffing around..filthy grott.
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:23pm
      - Brito
        
        We are not a white country Digmen1, we are a family of diverse colour. You should hang your head in shame. And after the three years of this delightful government comes to an end we will be even more diverse and colourful.
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:46pm
  - Brito
    
    Outstanding comment.
    
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    January 10, 2018 2:37pm
- Digmen1
  
  yes I saw the news of that attack.
  It is terrible that an old lady cannot live in safety in NZ.
  If the police catch them, what sort of punishment should they get, or will they get?
  
  And yes her comments are part of the problem. Stockholm syndrome!
  
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  January 10, 2018 12:46pm
  - sooty
    
    Slap on the dick with a wet tram ticket.
    
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    January 10, 2018 1:20pm
Jack5

Will international socialist Jacinderella and the Clark ex-UN team supporting her go along with the UN sticking its nose into NZ’s internal justice system?

The UN Committee Against Torture wants NZ to pay $20,000 to convicted murderer John Vogel. The reason is that, as a prisoner, he was kept in solitary confinement 23 hours a day for 21 days to help him deal with drug addiction. The maximum period of solitary allowed is 15 days.

Stuff reports:

Vogel murdered Mt Roskill man Peter Hoey, 47, in 1987, and was sentenced to to life in prison the following year.

He was released on parole a decade later, before being recalled to Auckland Prison at Paremoremo in 2000 after further offending, where he was then found guilty of drug charges.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/100416243/murderer-should-be-compensated-for-solitary-confinement-un-committee-says
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January 10, 2018 1:05pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11153234

“The High Court rejected his claim, finding that while his confinement was excessive, it was not disproportionately severe, particularly considering the circumstances in which the sentence was imposed.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11972361
“The Corrections Department acknowledged convicted murderer Vogel was kept in solitary for longer than the statutory maximum period, but that he had requested it.”
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January 10, 2018 1:51pm
Johnboy

http://www.momjunction.com/baby-names/lebanese/#gref
Not a fuckin Aldo to be seen!!! what a fuckin surprise! 🙂
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January 10, 2018 2:00pm
- starboard
  
  Maybe Aldo is short for something…?
  
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  January 10, 2018 2:08pm
  - aldo
    
    Hello starboard thank you for showing Johnboy that he found surprise that was not there.
    
    It is short.
    
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    January 10, 2018 2:14pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Short for bullshit? 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 6:16pm
- aldo
  
  Hello Johnboy, sorry for calling you Johnnyboy.
  
  My name is Aladino but it is always short to Aldo. That is a thing.
  
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  January 10, 2018 2:13pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Took you a while to look that one up. 🙂
    Still cant find it on the Lebo names list! 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 2:18pm
    - Brito
      
      Picky picky. Leave the immigrant alone. He likes Israel so he’s ok.
      
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      January 10, 2018 2:22pm
    - ztev
      
      Look it up on Walt Disney version
      Aladdin
      
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      January 10, 2018 3:48pm
  - stephieboy
    
    aldo , you seem to share with certain alt righters on KB Borat tendencies .
    
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    January 10, 2018 4:01pm
- holysheet
  
  yes there is JB
  http://www.momjunction.com/baby-names/aldo/
  
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  January 10, 2018 3:26pm
Inandout

Trump micro watchers said he didn’t say all the words to the US anthem. Did Trump breathe too much or too little, the world needs to know?
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January 10, 2018 2:07pm
Digmen1

Aladino sounds Italian to me.
Maybe he is Labour pardy troll?
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January 10, 2018 2:18pm
- Johnboy
  
  Don’t be silly old chap. As if such a person would dare to attempt to fool the glitterati of KB! 🙂
  
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  January 10, 2018 2:20pm
- Brito
  
  My Middle East friend has a name which means father in Lebanon.
  
  If he was a lefty troll he would not be praising our man in the White House.
  
  And…he took a shot at stephie…works for me.
  
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  January 10, 2018 2:24pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Don’t you know you’re not meant to have two handles comenting to KB at the same time Brito? 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 2:27pm
    - Brito
      
      Very strange man. The more the merrier.
      
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      January 10, 2018 2:33pm
  - Johnboy
    
    ps: Father in Lebanese is actually “bayy” brito ……nice try. 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 2:45pm
    - Brito
      
      Just went to the web site that you posted earlier and…http://www.momjunction.com/baby-names/aladino/
      
      Can’t have it both ways johnny boy!!!!
      
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      January 10, 2018 3:03pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Fair enough Brito. Now you have exhaustively searched those Lebo names while aldo was absent from KB can we expect to see him back again shortly?
        I’d love to ask him if he’s related to either Aladdin or corporal Klinger! 🙂
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:10pm
      - Brito
        
        Sorry #johnboy I reported you by accident. Tears from laughter blurred my vision…actually excuse for degrading eyes and fat fingers.
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:28pm
    - kowtow
      
      Aldo will be related to that other KB identity , and maker of merriment ,Padriv.
      
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      January 10, 2018 3:39pm
      - Brito
        
        Before my time.
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:43pm
      - aldo
        
        I do not understamnd what Johnboy is trying to say. You funny ok?
        Or you say take the piss of me?
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:46pm
      - Brito
        
        Aldo mate johnboy is a little mixed up. You’ll find that with a few posters here.
        
        Relax and chill. Welcome to KB and NZ.
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:48pm
      - Manolo
        
        I remember fondly Imam Padriv, true sage of Islam.
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:50pm
      - aldo
        
        He piss on me I know now.
        I only new here so what you want fuck with me jonboy?
        I am good man allright.
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:52pm
      - Brito
        
        Johnnyboy don’t upset the imports or they tend to get angry.
        
        Naughty.
        
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        January 10, 2018 3:53pm
      - aldo
        
        Thank you Bitto. Im thinking all Kiwi good people this is why family and me come to New Zealand. But yesterday my wife she come home have tears a man brown skin tell her to have shave. She cry big. We not understand the kiwi humor and not many kiwi fiend.
        
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        January 10, 2018 4:07pm
      - Johnboy
        
        You just no understand NZ humour aldo/Brito. You funny me and I piss on you. 🙂
        
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        January 10, 2018 5:57pm
      - Brito
        
        Leave him alone ya bully.
        
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        January 10, 2018 6:35pm
      - Johnboy
        
        He can’t become a real KB’r without a proper baptism Brito. Are you willing and prepared to be his Godfather? 🙂
        
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        January 10, 2018 6:40pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2018/01/yet-another-example-proves-un-isnt-fit-purpose/#more-356532

“The Crown argued that the confinement was at Vogel’s request and the conditions were humane.

The UN committee urged the government to provide “fair and adequate compensation, including the means for as full a rehabilitation as possible” and to report back within 90 days.

How does get fucked sound?” WOBH

“Dr Ellis said the UN committee’s decision should act as a wake-up call for New Zealand’s courts.

“This shows that the Supreme Court simply got it wrong – as did the courts below.”

No they didn’t. The UN is not fit for purpose. The courts got it right, and the UN has no jurisdictions, so he can get fucked.

What is delicious though is this happened under Helen Clark’s government and now Jacinda Ardern’s gets to fix it.”
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January 10, 2018 2:21pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Rondey I bet we are paying for the POS Ellis. If so maybe we need to change the law.
  
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  January 10, 2018 3:13pm
  - Digmen1
    
    We have been paying for that guy for years!
    
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    January 10, 2018 3:18pm
Manolo

More of the Obama effect:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/09/us-stocks-earnings-season-target-boj.html

The S&P 500 hit a fresh all-time high, rising 0.1 percent to close at 2,751.29. The index is also enjoying its best start to a year since 1987. The S&P 500 is up 2.7% for the year, notching its biggest six-day gain to kick off a year since then.

The Dow Jones industrial average jumped 102.80 points to 25,385.80 as Boeing reached an all-time high. The Nasdaq composite climbed 0.1% and closed at 7,163.58.

“It’s been a great start to the year. The momentum we saw in 2017 carried over into this year,” said Jim Davis, regional investment manager at U.S. Bank Wealth Management.
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January 10, 2018 2:32pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , all the work of Trump able to walk on water ?
  
  OMG linked to the evil MSM
  
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  January 10, 2018 2:49pm
  - Manolo
    
    Nothing to do with President Trump. It’s all because the incompetent messiah is no longer in the White House, hence the name the Obama-effect. 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 3:10pm
    - gump
      
      The Dow Jones actually rose more during the first year of Obama’s Administration than it has during Trump’s first year:
      
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/12/27/one-of-trumps-main-arguments-for-his-success-is-the-rise-in-the-stock-market-how-impressive-is-it
      
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      January 10, 2018 3:48pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You mean it bounced back to where it was a year earlier.
        Nice bit of cherry picking there Gump
        http://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years
        
        Note how it flattens off late 2014 to late 2016
        
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        January 10, 2018 4:09pm
      - gump
        
        @All_on_Red
        
        It bounced back? So you are telling us that the “Obama effect” actually refers to his reversal of the sharemarket downturn seen during the GFC?
        
        Remind us again why the “Obama Effect” is a bad thing? Because it sounds like you have a bad case of ODS.
        
        As the article I linked points out, the reason why the sharemarket is climbing at the moment it’s because Trump has delivered a windfall to US corporations. No new wealth has been created – it has nearly been re-distributed from the Treasury to private shareholders. The share prices are adjusting to reflect this.
        
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        January 10, 2018 5:47pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘His reversal’?
        Heh
        I’m responding to your cherry picking and dissembling not Manolos comment about an ‘Obama Effect’.
        Frankly something I haven’t heard before.
        Talk to him about that.
        Oh, and individuals own shares, often through their Pension Funds (402’s?)
        It’s not all corporations
        Hey, I though you guys were predicting doom when Trump took over anyway.
        
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        January 10, 2018 6:09pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Actually, looking at that graph of the Dow it took a lot longer than a year to rise back to where it was in 2008ish.
        Have a look.
        There’s no doubt that confidence in the US economy is very high at the moment.
        Lots of Polls confirm that.
        Personally I prefer other indicators than the Dow to look at the US economy.
        
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        January 10, 2018 6:30pm
- KevOB
  
  The DOW is an index of only 30 shares.
  
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  January 10, 2018 5:54pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Exactly….
    
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    January 10, 2018 6:32pm
  - brett68
    
    Which chops and changes depending on how well stocks are performing.
    https://trendshare.org/how-to-invest/why-does-the-dow-change-the-stocks-it-tracks
    
    The DOW is bollocks, it’s nothing more than American feel good propaganda.
    
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    January 10, 2018 7:03pm
Johnboy

Great news for stuggling immigrant workers who move to freedom in the developed countries! 🙂

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1076246/offbeat
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January 10, 2018 2:36pm
All_on_Red

Straight talk on Palestine by a Palestinian in the UN Human Rights Council
– the vid has subtitles
https://lesobservateurs.ch/2017/09/29/u-n-human-rights-council-debate-human-rights-situation-in-palestine-25-9-2017/

The look on some of the faces is priceless
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January 10, 2018 3:40pm
- Brito
  
  Yip a beautiful piece of footage. Incredulous springs to mind.
  
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  January 10, 2018 3:57pm
- Digmen1
  
  He is actually quite right.
  Most wars and conflicts in the world today are caused by politicians trying to hang on to their power or gain more power.
  Eg South Sudan, North Korea, Palestine, Iran, Venezuela. etc etc
  
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  January 10, 2018 5:59pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Did he get out of the UN alive?!
    The faces around him were incredulous and angry!
    
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    January 10, 2018 6:28pm
stephieboy

US politics plunges to even more lower depths of stupidity,,

Trump ally and pardoned ex-Sheriff Joe Arpaio is running for Jeff Flake’s Senate seat in Arizona
• Former Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio, an immigration hard-liner, is running for U.S. Senate.
• Trump pardoned Arpaio in August after the former Maricopa County sheriff was convicted of contempt of court.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/09/trump-ally-ex-sheriff-joe-arpaio-running-for-arizona-us-senate-seat.html

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January 10, 2018 4:09pm
- Manolo
  
  Easy on the bile, stephieboy. Those tantrums cannot be good for your health.
  
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  January 10, 2018 4:18pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Manolo:
    
    Those tantrums
    
    There must have been slim pickings at St Lukes today.
    
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    January 10, 2018 4:19pm
    - nasska
      
      He might as well sew up the pockets of the raincoat. 🙂
      
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      January 10, 2018 4:28pm
  - kevn
    
    Manolo… SepticBoy more like it.
    
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    January 10, 2018 5:39pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  What are your thoughts on freedom of speech Stephieboy? Do you agree with government legislated censorship?
  
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  January 10, 2018 4:23pm
- nasska
  
  If Sheriff Joe ever wants a change of climate I for one would welcome him with open arms.
  
  Put him in charge of Corrections & Labour could close down half the prisons. He would make them so unlike the motels they currently are that criminals would have some incentive for rehabilitation.
  
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  January 10, 2018 4:26pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Sheriff Joe could work with Notsofast on a rehabilitation plan for Mark Lundy!
    
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    January 10, 2018 4:27pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Race car driving instructor?
      
      Has anyone else noticed the irony of someone called ‘Notsofast’ supporting someone who clearly is fast…
      
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      January 10, 2018 4:32pm
      - sam green
        
        Have you ever wondered that notsofast is indeed Mark Lundy?
        
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        January 10, 2018 5:45pm
    - nasska
      
      Rehabilitation be buggered.
      
      Oversized orange overalls tastefully offset with leg irons while armed guards teach him how to pick up rubbish on SH1.
      
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      January 10, 2018 4:32pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    I note this NZ Herald article: Sadistic killer Jemma Lilley murdered Aaron Pajich to satisfy sick fantasies
    
    Lilley organised and carried out the strangling and stabbing “thrill kill” murder of Aaron Pajich on June 13, 2016, and his burial under a freshly tiled patio in the yard of the house she shared with Lenon, dubbed “Elm Street”.
    
    The “Lenon” is Trudi Lenon. She was hospitalised last week after a boiling water attack by a fellow inmate.
    
    On Monday, as Lenon waited in line to receive medication, a female inmate poured freshly boiled water over her back, shoulders, breasts, neck, arms and fingers, causing severe burns.
    
    Prominent boxer Danny Green praised the attack:
    
    JAIL JUSTICE’
    
    The mutt on the right of screen was badly burnt in jail the other day. Burns to 30% of her putrid body. Her and the other mutt murdered an innocent 18 yr old stranger who was autistic in absolutely disgusting and horrific circumstances. My hat is off to whoever carried out this act. I’m tired of our putrid constitution forcing the law into the hands of the community. This poor young man. The way his life ended was just incomprehensible. I hope you get an infection and die a horrid and slow and obscenely painful death you foul mutt. Im willing to write what many think.
    
    His Facebook post received “thousands of likes” – including a comment from a woman believed to be Mr Pajich’s step-mother, thanking Green for his support.
    
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    January 10, 2018 4:54pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yet another Ozzie story filling up our “leading daily”.
      
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      January 10, 2018 5:44pm
- Digmen1
  
  Great news.
  Make America white again.
  
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  January 10, 2018 5:52pm
- realityczech
  
  stupidboy, Sheriff Joe Arpaio deserves a medal for dealing with the hordes of criminal spics invading his county. He made the county safe again for decent white folk.
  
  You can side with drug dealers, murderers and rapists if the shoe fits.
  
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  January 10, 2018 6:33pm
Nostradamus

Public service anouncement for Govege:

The world’s oldest competitive cyclist, Robert Marchand, has decided to retire – at the age of 106. … To maintain his fitness, Marchand stretches and does resistance exercises each day plus rides his indoor traine. He credits his longevity to a diet that contains a lot of fruit and vegetables, a small amount of meat, “not too much coffee”, “no cigarettes” and “very little alcohol” – and sport.

A well-rounded diet is the key.
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January 10, 2018 4:30pm
- kevn
  
  Nostra… Close scrutiny of his gene pool might show similar longevity/activity in past generations. Without that genetic prop all else can be in vain.
  Good varied diet plus exercise is one component. I have two friends that followed that regime as a daily lifestyle, both died of pancreatic cancer. Damn bad luck as well.
  
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  January 10, 2018 5:37pm
  - Johnboy
    
    It’s the lack of booze that does for these vege health nut twits. That and pork chops/fillet steak/sausages/black pudding etc! 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 6:52pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Kevn:
    
    I agree – bad luck can be a factor.
    
    Close scrutiny of his gene pool might show similar longevity/activity in past generations
    
    Hmmm… I thought lycra was a relatively modern invention? 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 7:26pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/28/evangelical-christians-uncritical-in-support-for-donald-trump-says-paul-bayes-bishop-liverpool?CMP=share_btn_fb

This posted on the the Anglican Church of St Albans The Martyr’s facebook page.

It appears, in addition to Stephie, that a few more of the congregation members (at St Albans) are bent out of shape.

Perhaps some Ecclesiastes Steph?

“So I hated life, for the work which had been done under the sun was grievous to me; because everything is futility and striving after wind.” -Ecclesiastes 2:17
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January 10, 2018 5:49pm
Johnboy

Good old South Island hospitality. Salt of the earth those folk below the ditch! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/100467136/travellers-exploited-through-volunteer-scheme-fed-from-supermarket-waste-bins
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January 10, 2018 6:31pm
- realityczech
  
  What would you expect from an “organic” farm run by Trump hating climate alarmists ?
  
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  January 10, 2018 7:01pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Green suckas falling for some capitalist exploitation.
  
  Looks like Kiwis also got ripped off by her lousy business
  https://builderscrack.co.nz/tradies/szk2rvg/robinwood-farms-ltd/reviews
  
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  January 10, 2018 7:14pm
starboard

Great to be back in Phuket trendsetters..never tire of the place. No PC bullshit, no road cones, no petty clipboard police ..fantastic looking women..live pretty much as you like. Paradise.
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January 10, 2018 6:49pm
- Johnboy
  
  How is Phuket pronounced again starboard? 🙂
  
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  January 10, 2018 6:53pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Starboard:
    
    no petty clipboard police
    
    Mikenmild sends his regards!
    
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    January 10, 2018 7:08pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Show some decorum. He’s been a very sick man.
      
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      January 10, 2018 7:12pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mikenmild popped up on the Oprah thread yesterday – no signs of any lingering public servant illness!
        
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        January 10, 2018 7:20pm
      - Johnboy
        
        He’s an extremely staunch fellow for an ex-public servant Nostra. I put it down to all the bile he’s had to swallow when the Catholics took over his beloved Hutt Old Boys. He would never admit to the stress he’s suffering when he puts on a appearance at KB. 🙂
        
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        January 10, 2018 7:25pm
      - Brito
        
        Bully!! Man needs to express himself…
        
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        January 10, 2018 7:27pm
- Gabby
  
  Aren’t they renaming it Phukoff in your honour starBubba
  
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  January 11, 2018 6:36am
  - Brito
    
    You’re up early Gobby. Did the kids escape from your lair?
    
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    January 11, 2018 6:45am
    - Gabby
      
      You’re in again Bitcho. Got dildo settled in have you?
      
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      January 11, 2018 12:04pm
starboard

Thats right JB…we know?
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January 10, 2018 7:04pm
Johnboy

Good tale of survival.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100459498/kawhia-hunter-sends-farewell-text-to-his-wife-after-stabbing-himself-in-the-bush
Tip for all you gung-ho chaps always carry a roll of electrical tape on you when hunting. I once cut my shin open when turning a stag over without putting my knife down. I also cut through three of my left hand knuckles while delving into the lung cavity of another one. Good old electrical tape did the trick. Without it you lucky folk would not be able to read my words of wisdom today! 🙂
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January 10, 2018 7:21pm
- Brito
  
  Have a similar attitude when we hunt. Full depression on the trigger and just aim towards the centre of the crowd. Kicks left a little but with adjustment and constant use you anticipate.
  
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  January 10, 2018 7:29pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Most of them kick upwards Brito when you fire off a full mag. You been using that shitty Lebanese ammo again? 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 7:33pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Johnboy:
      
      that shitty Lebanese ammo
      
      I won’t hear a bad word spoken about Lebanese cucumbers!
      
      Lebanese cucumbers are nearly seedless. East Asian cucumbers are mild, slender, deep green, and have a bumpy, ridged skin. They can be used for slicing, salads, pickling, etc., and are available year-round. They are usually burpless as well.
      
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      January 10, 2018 7:37pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I’ve heard that Lebanese women love them Nostra. Far more satisfying than their husbands have ever been! 🙂
        
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        January 10, 2018 7:40pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Did you hear that from Govege, Johnboy?
        
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        January 10, 2018 7:52pm
  - realityczech
    
    Brittle here is a little Pro-Tip:
    
    ➡ To save on ammo and barrel wear, do not build your home on someone else’s land.
    
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    January 10, 2018 7:57pm
    - Brito
      
      We keep telling them this but they keep building in Gaza. Oh well, if I must…
      
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      January 10, 2018 9:50pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle you should really try and find more constructive ways of engaging the neighbours. Invite them over for a pig on a spit.
        
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        January 10, 2018 9:58pm
- nasska
  
  The CEO bought me a similar beacon a few years ago JB. It was always in the toolbox of the quad & now it’s on the boat.
  
  Very handy to be able to call up a chopper when things go pear shaped.
  
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  January 10, 2018 7:32pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I forgot to say that a joker shouldn’t bugger off into the scrub without electrical tape AND A PLB nasska.
    We never had PLB’s in my day but I’d have one now if I was serious about it anymore! 🙂
    
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    January 10, 2018 7:37pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      PLB= Penny [something beginning with L] Bright? I thought her middle name was Mary, but you seem to know her better than the rest of us, Johnboy. Or is this one of your Lucia fantasies?
      
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      January 10, 2018 7:39pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Is Lucia’s middle name Mary?
        Who’d have guessed! 🙂
        
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        January 10, 2018 7:45pm
- Johnboy
  
  I’m now deeply hurt and will retire to watching TV and then going to bed! 🙂
  
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  January 10, 2018 7:48pm
- holysheet
  
  Without it you lucky folk would not be able to read my words of wisdom today!
  
  Bugger
  
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  January 10, 2018 7:49pm
nasska

If you can’t sleep, try counting sheep. There are about 2.3 billion Christians & 1.6 billion Muslims in the world so that should keep you busy for a while.
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January 10, 2018 8:19pm
Chuck Bird

I just watched Trump on Fox on a bi-partisan debate about the wall and immigration with the media there for about an hour. He certainly is not needing a shrink. He was in control but allowed the Democrats to have their say without interrupting.
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January 10, 2018 8:41pm
- igm
  
  He is definitely a mile ahead of his rivals at every turn. How can anyone go crying for a failed Muslim primate or a devious lying old bat that should be in gaol?
  
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  January 11, 2018 7:13am
Digmen1

Did you see that on the Herald, or TV1 or Stuff?
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