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December 9, 2017 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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redeye

Blimey! It’s drier than a dead dingo’s donger.
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December 9, 2017 8:00am
- MrTips
  
  Don’t bring Winston into this so early in the morning! 🙂
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:01am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    You make sick burn on Winston, I like!
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:16am
  - oldpark
    
    Now a pest said to be even worse than Peters has just been let out of his sewer pit. Known as the “Minister for Dirt”. A common wee ratbag known as Pete Hodgson.The self styled ex bible basher a guy called David Clark who masquerades as a defacto medical Doctor in front of his name,when in reality he got it for a bible bashing degree.Has dug him up.
    The bogus Doctor has appointed Lie-bours ex “Minister for dirt” Hodgson to oversee the new tax funded hospital in Dunedin.Even though it was meant to be privately built.
    The flap jaw bogus Doctor fired a few professionals to make sure grubby Hodgson would be installed. What an indictment .
    Thanks to the waste of space another pest known as Meglamaniac Peters,who made such an abomination of democracy happen.
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:45am
    - ztev
      
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      Having a PhD, is a doctorate, those medical degrees arent ‘doctorates’
      
      remember Dr Lockwood Smith ?
      
      How quickly they forget, dotards
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:18am
      - rangitoto
        
        Having a witch doctor in charge of health isn’t a good look.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:25am
      - starboard
        
        Doctor Megan Woods..Doctor of the Knife and Fork.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:37am
      - GazzaW
        
        ……and a post-doctorate diploma in rice puddings.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:40am
      - ztev
        
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        Nastyblog, home of the nasty party supporters.
        
        keep it up, or since dotards have trouble with that keep on keeping on.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:44am
      - GazzaW
        
        No objection at all to using the title of doctor by the holder of a PhD………..unless that person works in a medical environment where it is misleading. When David Clark does return to the God-bothering industry by all means he should use the title but right now it’s misleading and a tad pretentious.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:45am
      - flipper
        
        Balderbollocks mallard zetev.
        
        If you knew as much as you purport you would
        know that all MPs determine how they wish to be addressed.
        A “Doctor” is a medical doctor. A so called doctor” in any other discipline is a PhD. Even my dentist , who is a Doctor of Dentistry does not stoop to the use of “Doctor”. In NZ, UK and Aus. it is academic BS. The use of “doctor” by those outside the (wider) medical profession is, at best, self aggrandisement, but more likely “passing off”.
        The US has this absolutely right, and rarely budges. A Doctor or surgeon is identified as an “MD”.
        
        BTW…. How many more weeks until the duck(s unlimited) season opens mallard?
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:05am
      - ztev
        
        “unless that person works in a medical environment where it is misleading.”
        
        Parliament is not a hospital !
        
        Coleman wasnt on the register of medical practitioners so wasnt entitled to call himself a ‘Doctor-( meaning medical), even in Parliament
        
        You do know that a person cant call themselves ‘lawyer’ unless they are on the roll of practitioners, even if like our good friend David Garrett they were qualified and on ‘holiday’ from the roll.
        
        Thats how the system works , so zip it sweetie
        
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        December 9, 2017 11:51am
      - Jack5
        
        You’re using the word “dotard” a lot today, ztev.
        
        On your mind is it? Couldn’t tie your shoelaces this morning, then took quite a while to remember the password to your computer?
        
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        December 9, 2017 1:02pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Pete Hodgson. Wasn’t he known as “Screaming Skull”? He was one of Hulun’s attack dogs and couldn’t help spluttering angrily. You think Andy Little deserves the title “Angry”. Poor old Angry Andy is a neutered pussy cat compared to old Screaming Skull Hodgson. ?
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:50am
    - Harkman
      
      Labour building a hospital again. Going by their last effort in Chch Women’s, it will be immediately too small, poor layout conceptually, we will need to replace it with a new $1b hospital less than ten years later, it will be staffed entirely by rookie house surgeons because talented surgeons refuse to work in NZ under Labour’s tax and debasement policies and it will lack a helicopter landing pad. And worst of all, brand new mums will be turfed out at 2:52AM in -1°c only 3 hours after giving birth. They really are the A-Team.
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:50am
      - oldpark
        
        Not forgetting the stuff up when Lie-bour built Wellington Hospital. Was another cock up.
        Of course Annette King had skin in the game , she approved it. She knew all about cock ups.
        Her track record on cock ups was when she was the Landlady for Lie-bours Whip Darren Hughes. That was when a naked youth was seen running from her house where Hughes resided. She refused to talk about that cock up.Nuff said.
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:01am
      - GazzaW
        
        I recall that there was some sort of scandal at the Hawkes Bay DHB involving King as well oldpark.
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:51am
      - starboard
        
        Yup..full moon kings husband was involved as he worked there..Ray somebody.
        Fishy.
        
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        December 9, 2017 1:07pm
    - ztev
      
      From parliament lists of Mps and their titles
      Hon Dr David Clark – correct
      
      Hon Dr Jonathan Coleman- incorrect, he doesnt hold a doctorate or on the roll of medical practioners
      
      Dr Deborah Russell, correct as she holds a doctorate
      
      Hon Dr Nick Smith, correct he holds a doctorate
      
      Dr Jian Yang-correct has doctorate
      
      https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/members-of-parliament/
      
      Thats 2 labour Mps with doctorates and 2 national Mps and one falsely claiming medical title.
      
      Notice you arent slanging off about Dr Smith and Dr Yang
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:09pm
      - Jaywalk
        
        Untrue, Dr Coleman is on the register of doctors. Tick full roll and his status can be found.
        
        The other “Drs” are not using this in the context of health care and they do not normally use the honorific when reporting on those MP’s e.g. “Nelson MP Nick Smith claimed…” from a random news article I googled.
        
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        December 9, 2017 5:32pm
    - Paulus
      
      I can see the private builders of Dunedin Hospital not being happy in being controlled by such scum as Hodgson.
      There could well be a slow down in the build as arguments will take place if he tries to take over.
      
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      December 9, 2017 1:23pm
- Nookin
  
  Rained most of the night. Going to get more today and tomorrow.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:33am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Lucky you, didn’t happen here.
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:35am
holysheet

Why have we as humans got so far up ourselves that we think we can beat or be better than nature. Watching the BBC programme “Blue Planet” one is struck by how much removed from nature humans have become. If you were a fish going about your own business of feeding yourself, suddenly, out of the deep comes a fish larger than you and gobbles you up. No recourse to complaining about how unfair it was. No complaining that the gobbler was bigger than you. No complaining to Dame Devoid that the gobbler was a great white shark. (As if it was a great black shark would make it alright)
There are no SJW’s in nature. Why do we have to put up with them in our lives?
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December 9, 2017 8:00am
- ztev
  
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  Dont be silly. Those fish/mammals that are ‘social’ have a sort of rules for their pod.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:09am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Yeah dolphins are well known for their use of gendered pronouns and equal fish quotas between male and female dolphins.
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:25am
    - sooty
      
      HAAA, HAAAAAA. Ztev, trolled. You are slipping. Bit slow after filling in for the duck, during the week.
      
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      December 9, 2017 8:31am
    - ztev
      
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      Not so fast… they have a series of clicks as their speech, you are an expert on this ?
      Didnt think so
      
      Bees have social hierarchys divided into Queens, Kings , soldiers and drones.
      looks like gender plays a part and Queen bees arent born they are made
      
      in Human society we a class of idiots who arent born that way but are ‘made ‘ too
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:26am
      - Rich Prick
        
        A zoology lecture on a Saturday morning. Just what I needed.
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:08am
      - srylands
        
        “you are an expert on this ?
        Didnt think so”
        
        Very funny. I don’t think you are an expert in behavioral zoology either. You do gave a tendency to over reach on topics.
        
        BTW the selection of Queen bees is not all happy clappy. She ruthlessly kills emergent virgin Queens. It is all about the propagation of genes. Nothing else. At all. So, no it is not the same as policing gendered pronouns.
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:16am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Rich Prick
        
        Yes, perhaps ztev would like to tell us of the political history of the forefather of Animal behaviour/social structures – Konrad Lorenz, Nazi Party member;
        or
        Karl von Frisch’s (social structure & language of bees) views on eugenics.
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:30am
      - ztev
        
        ” bees are capable of producing at least three sets of unique body types from the same genes. ”
        
        fancy that, having bee genders so fluid !
        
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        December 9, 2017 11:54am
- EAD_TWO
  
  The sheer amount of work Susan Devoy is willing to put in to make absolutely sure our country is flooded with all sorts of 2nd and 3rd worlders boggles the mind.
  
  Does it ever occur to her to ask herself this question first?
  
  “Why do you want this Susan? Are you sure this is something you want and not an idea that you were propagandised with? That this is somebody else’s interest, not yours?”
  
  You could very well get on with the rest of the world, keep on thinking of yourself as a good person, while agreeing mass migration into New Zealand isn’t a good idea. Because that’s really what’s at issue here – not diversionary nonsense like this:
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99662618/current-response-to-hate-crimes-insufficient–human-rights-commission
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:27am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Susan’s large salary helps her make up her mind what is in her best interest.
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:34am
    - sooty
      
      Whats her retirement package?
      
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      December 9, 2017 10:15am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    Hate speech to the Left is my free speech. The Left want to shut down me and all others who dont agree with them.
    
    Remember Voltaire;
    
    I may disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death you right to say it.
    
    Devoy:
    
    I will punish anything you say that I dont agree with.
    
    Spot the difference.
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:26am
    - ztev
      
      Who appointed her ?
      You forget shes ‘one of yours’
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:45am
      - GazzaW
        
        I think we are all aware that she was appointed by John Key ztev. Has anyone stated otherwise or denied it? Key resigned………remember? He’s moved on. You seem fixated.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:55am
      - sooty
        
        He loves remembering how great beloved Helen was, but she’s no more, unless she runs in taxindas!
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:18am
      - ztev
        
        Umm NO.
        
        Judith Collins appointed her !
        
        Dotard
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:35pm
      - Paulus
        
        Yes, Devoy was pressured into taking the job.
        It was heavily advertised and nobody wanted this poison chalice.
        She was actually a very nice person in the Bay before this job and a great sportsperson.
        She got the only vote.
        
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        December 9, 2017 1:27pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Hate speech is free speech that might hurt someone’s “feelings”.
      
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      December 9, 2017 10:19am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      One will be remembered and quoted in perpetuity and the other is a good squash player.
      
      I knew there was a difference
      
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      December 9, 2017 1:38pm
Dave Stringer

How on earth can we expect teachers to continue in the profession, never mind enter it, when idiocy like this continues?

The Herald on-line says
“A teacher who has been censured for stopping two boys banging each other’s heads against their desks says that in hindsight she should have left them to it.
The Teachers Disciplinary Tribunal has found that Wairarapa College teacher Lesley Davies committed “serious misconduct” when she put her hand on the head of one of the students in a Year 9 maths class to stop him banging the other student’s head on the desk.

“We find that the respondent’s decision to apply pressure to a student’s head in circumstances where he was pushing another student’s head to a desk is conduct which reflects adversely on her fitness to be a teacher and may bring the teaching profession into disrepute,” the tribunal said.”

Society bemoans the lack of discipline and order in many of today’s youth, and point to schools as failing to impart social responsibility and respect for the individual through their teaching. We HAVE to give schools and teachers the right to stop unacceptable behaviour, and punish offenders when it occurs, the alternative is anarchy. We already suffer from young people’s who have been convinced that there are no consequences for their actions, the recent spate of Dairy robberies is clear evidence of this. Now they are being told it’s OK to smash someone’s head against a solid object: it’s not a big step from there to knives and guns and when that happens where do we go?
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December 9, 2017 8:01am
- waikatogirl
  
  A couple of Darwin award recipients.
  The teacher should have banged their heads together!
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:06am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Sorry, any reference to Darwin is out.
    
    You know, pale, stale, male, therefore irrelevant and not with current thinking and prejudices.
    
    Go and stand in the corner until you realise your error!
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:13am
    - waikatogirl
      
      PG, As Winnie would reply to any personal attack
      
      “Not my error sunshine”. // ?
      
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      December 9, 2017 8:28am
      - sooty
        
        It’s OK to be white!
        
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        December 9, 2017 8:32am
- Nukuleka
  
  The sad thing is that much of the current nonsense in education has been allowed to flourish under a National-led government who should have known better and who should have attempted to put the breaks on this ongoing foolishness. I have just finished part time work at two schools, one a primary school which has embraced the lunacy of the Modern Learning Environment, the other a secondary school where ‘identity politics’ is the overarching mantra of its dyke principal. Both schools have been captured by the trendy pc claptrap promoted by the teacher unions, the Ministry of Education and the Education Council of Aotearoa New Zealand. Sadly, we have reached the point of no return.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:14am
  - Inandout
    
    This is exactly why the teacher unions want to have an iron clamp on how the ‘blotting paper students’ are taught. The real activists dwell in the Education Department, their job being to write ever more progressive ‘guidelines’ for teachers to disseminate. Ever since Clarence Beeby (mild by today’s standards) these heads would mould the minds of the young in ever more radical ways. Very few governments had dared to interfere with the way children were educated, and charter schools will be pulled into line by Labour, so how they operate will be increasingly ‘normal’.
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:20am
- Disaster Area
  
  There’s a lot more to it than that. The very first thing that the judgement says is ‘this is a complex case and requires reading in full’.
  
  Have a read here: https://www.educationcouncil.org.nz/sites/default/files/2016-28_1.pdf
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:18am
- KevOB
  
  One at least of those children was committing a crime. The teacher had a duty to intervene and common law allows reasonable force to be used.
  
  Many teachers live in an alternative reality. They see the world differently to most others. Why do we let them near our children?
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:37am
- KKKKatee
  
  Totally agree. What a stupid society we’ve become. Out of control kids are completely untouchable. So, if the teacher had grabbed the kid by the arm in attempt to stop the assault of the other kid, then that would have been acceptable. But because she put her hand on his head – that’s assault? FFS! Who wrote the manual on what teachers can and can’t do? So it’s ok then to stand by and watch a thug in the classroom potentially beat the shit out of another kid and the teacher has to think about the consequences of his/her behaviour before intervening? Total bullshit. Now this teacher has been very conveniently made redundant.
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:25am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I remember many years ago a teacher getting in huge trouble for even nicely patting a Maori child on the head in praise! Culturally inappropriate, you see.
    
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    December 9, 2017 12:37pm
  - KevOB
    
    Teachers are in loco parentis. Are they trying to shed that responsibility? It could be argued that a teacher who did not intervene in the fight cited could be in breach of a duty of care. What if a child was brain damaged that way? Is it not criminal to stand by and let that happen?
    
    Teachers’ pay must already include a premium for their legal parental responsibility. If they are to disown that we need to know.
    
    Do we have too many laws offering too much wriggle room? Has sense been dissipated?
    
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    December 9, 2017 7:33pm
- lastmanstanding
  
  What about the Elf and Safety Act? The law says the teacher has to do all they can to eliminate or minimise unsafe situations.
  
  So by punishing the teacher they are ignoring the Elf and Safety Act
  
  Priceless!!!!
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:28am
  - GazzaW
    
    The teacher, principal and the Board are all liable under the Health and Safety Act……….and before ztev jumps in, yes, it was one of ours and we take ownership BUT will Hipkins propose any amendments to make the Act more suited to the school environment.
    
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    December 9, 2017 10:02am
    - KevOB
      
      The law is already adequate. It is the teachers who are not. More rules would only compound their confusion.
      
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      December 9, 2017 11:29am
jgw739

Oh bugger, that’s not good.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11955850

Luckily for NZ sport, at least we can fall back on gender cheating, which is considered okay in this brave new world.
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December 9, 2017 8:06am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  And of course, to change ‘gender’ (barf) one has to take—– steroidal type drugs to effect the change.
  
  Transgender is a load of bollocks – get them to a psychiatrist urgently.
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:50am
cmm

Everything is solved Comrades.

Out PM even has the free time to be exploited for her body:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11956079

Seriously, for $500k you’d think you would get her full devotion to the job and you wouldn’t have her running around teeing up gher international career.

Pretty much all the stuff she has done (Manus, Al Gore,…) is tuned towards raising her international profile rather than roll up her sleaves and get stuck in for the people who are paying her salary.

It looks like we’re just a tiny stepping stone for what she really wants – a crack at the UN.
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December 9, 2017 8:08am
- ztev
  
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  Not like previous PMs havent been noticed on the international stage?
  Its only bad when labour does it
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:11am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    It is not only bad when labour do it ztev, they just manage to do most things badly so why would this be an exception?
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:16am
    - ztev
      
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      We are hearing more of the shambles we ~~inherited~~ won in the election every day.
      The deficit for the last 4 months, the broken administration in health, the drinking water shambles.
      Many many more to come
      
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      December 9, 2017 8:21am
      - sooty
        
        Bullshit. It’s just your mates showing their incomptenance! They can not do the blame the other goverment. Now they have to do something. That’s the problem. They have to take turns sharing the brain cell. Nine years sitting on their arse and now have to come up with ideas, any idea will do!
        
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        December 9, 2017 8:38am
      - ztev
        
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        The deficit was for the 4 months ( 12 weeks) to the end of October, the new government took over in the last week of that.
        Dont like the truth do you.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:28am
      - Southern Raider
        
        Drinking water is a local government issue. Guess who runs most impacted Councils? Yep lefty clowns
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:36am
      - ztev
        
        The worst for its drinking water killing its residents was Hastings.
        
        Guess what the mayor responsible does now ?
        
        Anne Tolley used to be deputy mayor of Napier- has that been in the news for water problems ?
        
        These things are usually long standing, as for most councils being ‘lefty’? . Thats the big metropolitan councils where water is of a very high standard- it costs money to do that.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:53am
- KKKKatee
  
  Well I guess if that’s the case, the boyfriend may well find himself redundant in the future. He may just get sick and tired of playing second fiddle to her aspirations. It can be a very lonely place at the top of the food chain. The sooner this idiotic PM is gone for good, the better.
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:28am
  - Paulus
    
    I was some years ago CEO of a Pubic Unlisted Financial Service Company.
    I was appointed indirectly from UK as a specialist in a field in which the Shareholders (33 Companies) had little knowledge.
    It was politically backed.
    Take it from me I was there for 14 years and I can assure you it is very lonely in the buck seat, day in day out, – and you do lose sleep over the results over which you sometimes have limited control.
    Hope Cindy realises that the buck stops with her alone. Despite her boyfriend I would assume that she can keep her knowledge to herself !
    
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    December 9, 2017 1:37pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      She does appear to rather loose with inappropriate comments. It would be more her circle of so-called celebrity friends I’d be rather worried about. They won’t give a stuff about repeating stuff she says in confidence. And goodness knows if the bf is able to keep a confidence once he’s got a few beers on board in the presence of his mates….
      
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      December 9, 2017 2:04pm
dime

So chompers is going to do a fashion shoot for vogue..

But if you ask what she’s going to wear to a debate, you’re a sexist piece of shit.
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December 9, 2017 8:09am
- ztev
  
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  http://www.newshub.co.nz/general/john-key-struts-his-stuff-on-the-catwalk-2011020319
  
  Such short memories, but what do you expect from dotards clutching their dewlaps
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:13am
  - starboard
    
    Why dont you just fuck off ztrev..you are an oxygen thief.?
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:18am
    - Luke Piewalker
      
      Was thinking exactly the same
      
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      December 9, 2017 8:27am
      - sooty
        
        Lets hope it’s not what was under the red dress!
        
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        December 9, 2017 8:39am
      - ztev
        
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        Parrot !
        
        But wait, did you complain about this
        
        “In April British Prime Minister Theresa May was in US Vogue after a photo shoot by the famous Annie Leibovitz at the British PM’s official country estate, Chequers.”
        
        What a strange thing , a womans magazine being about woman.
        
        Or a rugby mazazine with a man, who never played rugby, on the cover
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/71232403/will-the-all-blacks-always-love-being-pictured-with-the-prime-minister
        
        Just two months out from the 2014 election, the former banker scored one of the best photo opportunities imaginable, wearing an All Blacks jersey in front of a group of senior players on the cover of Rugby News.
        
        An All Blacks jersey too, how can that be.
        
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        December 9, 2017 8:47am
  - dime
    
    Hey fuckwit. The point was, people get called sexist for asking what she is wearing, but she does fashion shoots.
    
    If she wants to be a clothes horse, don’t pretend to be upset when someone asks about clothes.
    
    I don’t care what she does. She can appear in “old chicks you may fuck if you’re drunk, but it would still be gross” magazine.
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:36am
    - redeye
      
      Trivial objections is ztevs specialty Dime (my good friend:-)
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trivial_objections
      “Trivial objections is an informal logical fallacy where irrelevant and sometimes frivolous objections are made to divert the attention away from the topic that is being discussed.[1][2] This type of argument is called a “quibble” or “quillet”. Trivial objections are a special case of red herring.“
      
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      December 9, 2017 11:51am
  - calendar girl
    
    That’s a trite comparison, ztev. Key was contributing to the promotion of this country (no evidence from you of him being paid as a model?).
    
    Present PM is doing her photo-shoot out of personal vanity, and will earn big dollars from the publisher.
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:42am
    - ztev
      
      “Rugby News is the oldest and most respected rugby magazine in New Zealand, delivering bi-monthly publications throughout the rugby season. ”
      
      Its a local rag, you are talking nonsense about it ‘promoting this country’, as though it was an international thing.
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:58am
      - sooty
        
        Cosidering John Key was working for free, do you think that Taxinda should donate her $500.000 to charity, rather than her piggy bank and Ihope she’s paying tax on it.
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:25am
      - ztev
        
        Soooo jealous that Vogue didnt ask nationals leading lady- the former truck stop waitress
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:15pm
      - GazzaW
        
        So what’s wrong with being a truck stop waitress ztev? Maybe a bit too working class for a pretentious chardy socialist such as yourself.
        
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        December 10, 2017 5:30am
      - thedavincimode
        
        nationals leading lady- the former truck stop waitress
        
        Those working class types gotta know their place eh ztev.
        
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        December 10, 2017 7:01am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Let’s hope she possesses the graciousness to donate any moneys receive to a worthwhile NZ Charity then. Then we’ll know what she’s really made of.
      After all, she campaigned on child poverty, homelessness (promising a home for everyone if I remember correctly). Not hearing about those issues anymore. Wonder why?
      
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      December 9, 2017 10:36am
      - ztev
        
        You have gone deaf
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:15pm
    - Flash
      
      And who will write the accompanying blurb? It will be flattering, that’s for sure, but I hope will be more honest than some recent politicians’ attempts.
      
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      December 9, 2017 8:44pm
  - srylands
    
    What is a dotard?
    
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    December 9, 2017 10:25am
    - ztev
      
      I thought you would ask about the dewlaps- the loose folds around the neck- but dotard is sort of obvious when its referred to the geriatric Trump
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:17pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      An old person in their dotage: a old fashioned term for senility.
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:41pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I was just providing the meaning of ‘dotard’. I’m not at all agreeing that Trump is one! I think he’s doing a pretty good job so far.
        
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        December 9, 2017 4:12pm
    - GazzaW
      
      ztev’s insulting word of the day srylands. Everyone’s a dotard today.
      
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      December 10, 2017 5:38am
- Simon
  
  Vogue because child poverty
  
  Every child should be able afford a years subscription
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:15am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I thought it was Horse and Hound
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:17am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy dear, congratulations on your fashion shoot for Vogue, what a coup for your darling! Are you off to New York, Paris or are you slumming it in Auckland?
  
  Good old ‘Waitakere Man’ and the poor of NZ will be sooo impressed. Where can they buy a copy so they can see what you will be wearing, who is the designer darling? Don’t forget the matching lipstick! // ?
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:18am
  - KevOB
    
    Free dental work too?
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:40am
    - ztev
      
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      Jacinda derangement syndrome in its final stages.
      
      keep it up for the next 9 years guys, you know you cant help yourselfs
      
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      December 9, 2017 8:49am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        You seriously think the band of muppets will last nine years?
        
        I have a lazy Lady Godiva that says you are wrong z.
        
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        December 9, 2017 8:56am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        It won’t last anything like 9 years Trev, and you know it.
        
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        December 9, 2017 8:58am
      - waikatogirl
        
        ztev: “keep it up for the next 9 years guys, you know you cant help yourselfs”
        
        I’m not a “guy”. I’m OFFENDED!
        Where do I complain?! // ?
        
        Oh, and it’s yourselves not yourselfs
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:03am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And those bovver boots, don’t forget those boots, you know, the ones that are her favorites, her only pair!
    
    Does that mean she is living in poveriddy as she only has one pair of shoes and, presumably, shares a bedroom?
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:53am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Not to mention the rather odd earrings she was wearing with the long dress at the Awards evening. They didn’t even match the outfit. Less is more PM, you need to understand that. She was also wearing those ankle boots with that dress. No doubt she’ll agree to a makeover and be dressed by some Stylist as I’m afraid Ardern’s clothing choices seem bit odd. She looked like a kid in a party dress on the day of the swearing in and for some strange reason she was wearing thick black tights with a blue/red dress, topped with a black jacket and those ankle boots! Couldn’t quite figure that one out.
      A classy woman would have worn a sheer black tights with an elegant pair of shoes with a nice heel.
      Also, the dress would have been replaced with a very well cut suit. It’s called power dressing. Just saying……
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:48am
      - KevOB
        
        Don’t let a stylist near her. They may destroy her incongruous personal dressing which distracts from actually hearing her.
        
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        December 9, 2017 11:39am
    - KKKKatee
      
      I’m living in poverdy then – I have to share my bed with another human…..
      
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      December 9, 2017 10:37am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s the earrings I’m worrying over.
    
    Calendar Girl promised she’d do an analysis of where Jacinda had gone wrong with her earring style.
    
    We really need this cleared up before our lovely PM makes a faux pas on the world stage.
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:28am
    - KKKKatee
      
      She already has made a faux pas on the world stage.
      No worries there. More to come I suspect.
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:50am
    - calendar girl
      
      As you know well, Maggy, ‘analysis’ of any major matters of state (especially those such as earring style choice) is usually beyond me.
      
      But my previous reference was more in the nature of inner musing about why anyone with JA’s features would wear a succession of exceptionally long, drooping and distracting earrings. I had decided in my own mind, for what it’s worth, that the choice of earrings may be simply a conscious distraction procedure.
      
      Before now, such comments could not be enunciated other than by what are commonly termed ‘sexist pigs’. But as our PM has now contracted out her visage and other physical attributes for international inspection and critiques, everyone can be assumed to have the freedom to express one’s inner-most thoughts.
      
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      December 9, 2017 10:07am
      - stephieboy
        
        calendar girl , the manic obsession with JA unfolds till who knows when ?
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:09am
      - sooty
        
        You would know with manic support of Labour. Pot, Kettle, Black!
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:28am
      - GazzaW
        
        Morning stephieteam. ztev finished his shift?
        
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        December 9, 2017 11:01am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I have no style, no aesthetics and, let’s be honest, no taste, hence I feel it is critical that I have guidance in these matters.
        
        I can see your point about using earrings as distractors… very cunning ploy. I had thought folks employed them as attractors or signals as to their sexual preference in mates.
        
        I have bare, naked, unpierced ears… I wonder if that is where I have gone wrong in my life?
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:05pm
      - starboard
        
        Just like when JK couldnt make a move without you lot being all over him like a chewitbeing..eh steffybott?
        
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        December 9, 2017 1:33pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Agreed they tend to make your face look longer.
        
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        December 10, 2017 10:57am
- KKKKatee
  
  Agree. The PM appears to have a split personalty I fear. Happy to pose in designer gear, airbrushed to within an inch of her life…….
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:29am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    It’s interesting that Vogue have asked her. I think it’s because she is so skeletally thin that she looks like their usual anorexic models. Not really an image our PM should be promoting anyway. People should be a healthy weight, not look famished.
    
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    December 9, 2017 12:46pm
    - calendar girl
      
      You may be right, CL. But how would we actually know that it was Vogue that asked Ms Arden? Is it not equally possible that JA’s office initiated the commercial inquiries? “Let’s have a conversation …”, perhaps?
      
      Whatever the motives of Vogue magazine itself, JA’s undertaking of this ‘private’ assignment – so early in the term of her Government – indicates that she is happy for form and appearance to be prioritised over substance and achievement.
      
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      December 9, 2017 1:43pm
Jack5

What’s the story with UDC Finance, once one of the most secure places for a New Zealander to put his money and a solid lender to businesses? Has the big sale fallen through?

In January, the ANZ Bank announced it was selling UDC for $660 million to the HNA Group of China, with ownership transition to be completed in the fourth quarter of this year. The Companies Office shows ANZ Bank New Zealand is still the owner of UDC, which was set up in 1938. UDC, has loans out totalling $2.8 billion. It is big in vehicle, plant, equipment and machinery financing.

HNA seems to be having problems. The Chinese group has been splashing out on assets round the world in what Fortune magazine called a frenetic buying spree. HNA is part-owner of China Air, controls a number of other airlines, has a quarter stake in Hilton, the world’s biggest hotelier with about 825,000 hotel rooms, has a small stake in Uber, and last year paid six billion US dollars for the world’s biggest technology distribution company, Ingram Micro, of America.

The Chinese Government is choking back the country’s massive outflow of investment. China’s State Council is requiring special approval for investments in areas including property, hotels, the film industry and other forms of entertainment, and sports clubs.There have been warnings the restrictions would bite in world property markets by the end of 2017.

Bloomberg says HSBC Holdings, Europe’s biggest bank by assets, has told its dealmakers to avoid pursuing business for now with HNA Group. Bloomberg sources this report to “people with knowledge of the matter.”

Bloomberg reports:

The Chinese conglomerate is facing increasing difficulties raising funds as scrutiny mounts over the acquisitive conglomerate’s surging borrowing costs. In recent weeks, S&P Global Ratings and Fitch Ratings have voiced concerns about at least four companies because of their ties with HNA. Separately, group flagship Hainan Airlines Holding Co. canceled a bond sale, another unit scrapped a stock offering and HNA subsidiaries have been paying some of their highest borrowing costs ever.

Jamie Gray reported in the Hooerald in May that in 2016, UDC posted a record annual profit of $58.5m, driven by booming car sales and growth in forestry, transport and construction. He wrote that UDC had been up for sale for more than a year, attracting the interest of NZX-listed Heartland Bank. By December of last year, HNA emerged as a front runner.
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December 9, 2017 8:16am
- holysheet
  
  Don’t worry about UDCs’ profits going offshore. With the COL govt in charge these profits will tumble as the affects of govt inaction and uncertainty reduce all company profits. Soon anyone in business will feel the cold wind of reality as the unions flex their cloth caps and demand higher wages.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:27am
- ztev
  
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  Its common for a business sale for the original business entity to remain with the previous owner and change its name. The new buyer has its own business entity and of course has the rights to trading name
  “On completion of the transaction, UDC will sit under and report to Global TIP Holdings.” [HNAs european financial entity]
  
  What you are looking for is this:
  TIP-HNA NEW ZEALAND HOLDINGS LIMITED
  
  As usual with these buyouts, its registered in the tax haven of the Netherlands. So we can see previous NZ tax and profits ‘disappear’ and be shifted to this offshore entity.
  
  No wonder they could outbid any local buyer.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:32am
  - Jack5
    
    Jeez, ztev… I’ve just explained the deal doesn’t seem to have gone through.
    
    If a big Chinese conglomerate buys an NZ company it’s pretty much irrelevant to us whether it goes officially to a subsidiary in the Netherlands or to some other entity in the group. NZ doesn’t miss the tax.
    
    The point is this big deal looks to have failed.
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:41am
    - ztev
      
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      Fool. They will suck all the profits out. The Netherlands is the clue, but they will have other tax havens included in the company structures.
      
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      December 9, 2017 8:52am
      - Jack5
        
        Ztev, you may be the thickest troll ever to infest Kiwiblog.
        
        Foreign companies doing business in NZ pay tax on profits made in NZ, just as NZ companies operating overseas (Fonterra, Xero, and many others) pay local tax on profit before, if they wish, bringing that profit home.
        
        The reason we have so many foreign companies in NZ is that we don’t save enough to provide sufficient capital ourselves, and because we don’t export enough to have a positive balance of payments. Borrowing overseas and selling our assets makes up the gap.
        
        But if foreign investment expands our productive industries, especially the export ones, it benefits us. The sort of loans UDC makes enable this country to grow.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:00am
      - Swifty
        
        Angry so early in the morning?
        
        Have a few last night did we?
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:14am
      - Jack5
        
        For those worried about overseas ownership: UDC is already overseas owned – by the ANZ Banking Group, which is Australian.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:17am
      - flipper
        
        Mnnnn….
        Is that where the mallard duck zetev parked his brain ????
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:31am
      - starboard
        
        Parked the mondeo on top of any bollards lately ztrev?? Hahahaha..?? loser.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:46am
    - ztev
      
      “I’ve just explained the deal doesn’t seem to have gone through.”
      
      No you havent, you have displayed your ignorance how a business is sold but not the legal entity that the previous owner controlled it through.
      
      UDC ( old company) will always stay with ANZ, as there may tax obligations/refunds there.
      
      Tip-HNA Holdings NZ Ltd will have all the assets, staff and trademarks of the business which trades as UDC.
      This is totally normal, which of course you dont understand in the slightest. Your only ‘proof’ is companies register.
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:36am
      - Jack5
        
        Ztev, the sale by ANZ Group to HNA was conditional, and as of today is still described as conditional in UDC investment statements.
        
        UDC investors are being told that ANZ will repay UDC investors in cash or transfer them to equivalent ANZ products when the deal is sealed.
        
        The international cloud building over HNA suggests that conclusion of the deal may be difficult.
        
        As for the Tip connection: it is quite normal, in fact probably usual, for a big conglomerate like HNA, when buying a foreign company, to include it in another of its companies.
        
        TIP HNA Holdings NZ is owned by Global TIP Holdings in the Netherlands. This is essentially TIP Trailer Services Group, owned by HNA Group (International). This group provides leasing, rental, maintenance and other value added services to the transport and logistics industry throughout Europe.
        
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        December 9, 2017 11:31am
      - ztev
        
        So what will Tip-HNA be doing in NZ then ?
        
        As for foreign comapnies paying tax, heres a report out from Australias ATO which details the ‘tax paid’ of major companies
        
        “Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation paid no tax whatsoever in 2015-16 on an Australian income of $2.9 billion. Its competitor Fairfax Media, owner of The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald, paid $16 million on a lower income of $1.48 billion.
        
        The payments are revealed in the third annual corporate tax transparency report required under legislation that forces the Tax Office to divulge tax details for Australian public and foreign-owned entities with income of $100 million or more.
        
        Shows how easily its done to avoid any tax at all, as News Corp ( Us company) and Chevron do it. Wont be any different here.
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:36pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ztev, the troll, sabotages yet another discussion.
        
        To repeat for you, Ztev, ANZ is an overseas company, and is trying to sell UDC to another overseas company. But the point of the discussion is that the sale of the important company, UDC, looks to be under some sort of cloud.
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:50pm
Scott

This from Donald Trump’s twitter feed which is awesome!

“The unemployment rate remains at a 17-year low of 4.1%. The unemployment rate in manufacturing dropped to 2.6%, the lowest ever recorded. The unemployment rate among Hispanics dropped to 4.7%, the lowest ever recorded…”

Lowest ever recorded? More winning!!!

Can we get someone like that here? Someone who is committed to economic growth and prosperity. Not someone who sees an improving economy and immediately wants to give people free stuff and redistribute the wealth. Not someone who wouldn’t know economic growth if it bit her on the bottom.

Can we get a mover and a shaker here!!???
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December 9, 2017 8:19am
- Simon
  
  Trump is a Masterclass. When he wins America wins which is why he is hated by the left and MSM
  
  Trump is taking apart the Dems which has to be followed outside msm. It’s been a brilliant year.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:27am
- tf78
  
  If Russia gave us Trump I thank them they did the world a favour.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:34am
- ztev
  
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  Manufacturing ?
  
  Unemployment rate has been trending down since 2011
  https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNU04032232?amp%253bdata_tool=XGtable&output_view=data&include_graphs=true
  
  But wait… wernt all those jobs going to China ?
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:58am
  - All_on_Red
    
    2011? Isn’t that when Obama changed the definition of how it was measured.
    Iirc they started using the U6 numbers instead of U9
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:16am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , wern’t you bragging on in recent times that the unemployment rate under Obama was 10% ( I 4.9 % ) now dramatically and miraculously drops down to 4.1% ?
      
      LOL
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:23am
      - All_on_Red
        
        No Stalker.
        You showed you ignorance then too just as you do now..
        I guess your butt must still be hurting after on your first day back you got shown up as being wrong.
        Stephie boy – KiwiBlogs Dumbest Commentator
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:30am
      - ztev
        
        The numbers were ‘fake’ ( because they kept falling )under Obama, said Trump
        
        But now by magic, under Trump, the same numbers are true, when they keep falling
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:41am
      - realityczech
        
        “now dramatically and miraculously drops down to 4.1% ?”
        
        Yes stupidboy, that is because they have a human president now instead of an ignorant beast.
        
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        December 9, 2017 11:53am
Sofia

Waitangi Tribunal to hear claim Maori suicide linked to ongoing effects of colonisation – Herald

The Government was spending about $5 million on suicide prevention strategies each year
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In 2003, the Government’s Maori Language Strategy set out a 25 year vision for the future of the Maori language. That vision was the by 2028, the Maori language will be widely spoken by Maori. In particular, the Maori language will be in common use with Maori whanau, homes and communities. Now 11 years on and despite funding of up to $225 million per year; two national censuses have confirmed that the speakers of Maori have declined.
https://www.tpk.govt.nz/docs/mls/submissions/Te-Reo-Tuatahi.pdf
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December 9, 2017 8:20am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Imagine if they put all that money in just plain old English taught in schools. Or Maths.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:23am
  - Happychappy
    
    That would be to easy and they would have to explain why the results would have improved in such a short time.
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:44am
  - Paulus
    
    Simple – my bete noir
    If you cannot speak and read English properly in New Zealand you cannot read or speak any other language – even Maori.
    Gangsta language will not help.
    
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    December 9, 2017 1:45pm
- Jack5
  
  Quarter of a billion a year, many place names re-Maorified, and Radio Rādīō ~~Āōtēārōā~~ NZ introducing new Te Reo-friendly language –
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:30am
  - Jack5
    
    Whoops, sorry about that post, more half-arsed even than usual. I’ve now finished it …
    
    Quarter of a billion dollars a year, many place names re-Maorified, and Radio Rādīō ~~Āōtēārōā~~ NZ introducing its new Te Reo-friendly language – NZ Pīdgīn …. and still it ain’t working.
    
    Obviously needs a billion a year, Maori-language-only schools, the country’s name changed fully and officially to Āōtēārōā, all signage and NZ internet only in Maori (with macrons), and English language banned from Parliament.
    
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    December 9, 2017 8:37am
- KevOB
  
  Expect the decline to continue. Tokenism doesn’t make a language useful. It’s a waste of resources to teach it with its limited vocabulary of root words.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:46am
  - twofish
    
    Maori
    • Golriz Ghahraman maiden speech – Green Party media release –
    E ngā mana, e ngā reo, e ngā karangatanga maha, tēnā koutou katoa.
    Te mana whenua o tēnei wāhi, Te Āti awa, tēnā koutou.
    Otirā ngā iwi whānui tēnā koutou katoa
    
    Passed through Google Translate –
    “All rights, languages, and conferences, all of you.
    Land ownership of this area, Te Ati Awa, please.
    Even so many people are all of you”
    
    • Factsheet: Pike River Recovery Agency –
    Te Kahui Whakamana Rua Tekau ma Iwa
    interpreted as ‘The Empowering Voice for the Pike 29’
    
    Passed through Google Translate –
    The 10th Independent Housing Council
    
    Why is Te Reo, if a useful modern language, so useless with Google Translate which seems to accommodate other languages reasonably?
    Is it vocabulary, grammar constructs, or that Google has no one using Maori to improve on its general usage?
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:28am
    - KevOB
      
      Te Kahui Whakamana Rua Tekau ma Iwa
      
      Te – Singular – definite article
      Kahui -noun – Group, swarm…
      Whaka -modifier – in the manner of
      mana – Status, personable presence
      Rua Tekau ma Iwa – 29
      
      A group (legal body) like (having) the status (power) of the 29.
      
      The language has a limited number of root words and they can be overworked. Unlike Samoa the language is not the primary language and has not developed. An in depth knowledge is needed for use. English is being preferred throughout the Pacific and the grammar is changing to English forms too.
      
      Golriz Ghahraman probably had little understanding of the introductory greeting quoted. It’s invoking an attachment to a place. That tribal concept is foreign to us and can only remain so. It relies on culture and history for context.
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:18pm
- twofish
  
  Until the 1950s [Maori suicide] was about half the general rate. Then the numbers increased and from 1996 Māori levels of suicide became higher than non-Māori. https://teara.govt.nz/en/suicide/page-2
  
  So Maori rates were only half that of all suicides until the 1950s – 110 to 120 years after colonisation – and didn’t exceed European rates until 1996 – 156 years, a century and a half after colonisation.
  
  The suicide rate for Maori last year was 21.7 deaths per 100,000 people – double that for Pasifika communities and higher than the 14.6/100,000 recorded for people of European descent.
  
  If there is any truth in colonisation being a factor in Maori suicide, is it the 7.1 per 100,000 by which Maori exceed European rates, or the 10.85 by which Maori exceeds Pasifika?
  And to what extent is Maori colonisation different to Pasifika?
  
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  December 9, 2017 10:31am
  - GoVege
    
    The Pacific Islands weren’t colonized (well not anything like to the degree this place was.)
    That’s why Pacific Islanders all want to come here. 🙂
    
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    December 9, 2017 5:52pm
Jack5

Sport as a character-building, healthy, pastime great for a nation? Mmm.

Drug Free New Zealand says about 100 NZ athletes are in a doping investigation.

Male trannies beating women in weight lifting and now drugs. We thought that only happened in the Eastern bloc.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/345799/about-100-nz-athletes-in-doping-investigation
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December 9, 2017 8:26am
- GazzaW
  
  Imagine the outrage here if we caught the Aussies mass-doping.
  
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  December 9, 2017 11:07am
  - MCos
    
    There are thousands of rugby players, netballers, athletes in NZ.
    A hundred or so is not ‘mass’ doping.
    
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    December 9, 2017 12:23pm
artemisia

From the Herald article on BIMs (useful summary BTW, link below). I wonder if anyone considered cause and effect, and that landlords will act in their own best interests.

Of course, any half savvy landlord will not give a reason for declining an application for a tenancy. When filling a vacancy landlords will also have in mind the probablility of no more no-fault 90 day or 42 day terminations.

Families with children, particularly one-parent and Maori and Pacific families, experience much higher levels of discrimination in the private rental market, the Human Rights Commission has told incoming Minister Phil Twyford.

The commission intends to ask Twyford to enact better rental legislation that gives more security towards tenants with children and vulnerable adults.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11955065
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December 9, 2017 8:32am
- srylands
  
  Well good luck with that. I recently rented out our flat in Wellington. At the appointmented time, 20 people showed up. Couples with jobs, Maori on a benefit. A guy from India just off the plane. How did we choose? No we didn’t put their names in a hat and draw one out. But I guess that would have been “fair”.
  
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  December 9, 2017 11:58am
  - srylands
    
    However I do empathise with vulnerable people looking for housing. My son has mental illness. Very intelligent but behaves very oddly. Put bluntly, he trashes places he lives.
    
    No rational landlord would give him a flat. But one did. Anyway my job is to periodically untrash the flat to stop him being kicked out.
    
    The job of housing these people belongs to the state, not private landlords. Try to force them and they will sell up.
    
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    December 9, 2017 12:04pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      You should be acknowledged by readers here for your caring in cleaning up after him and taking responsibility for his actions. Well done! Cheers.
      
      (Kiwiloggers please show your appreciation of this wonderful parent by upticking this comment)
      
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      December 9, 2017 1:04pm
      - srylands
        
        Thanks for the compliment. But I do not take responsibility for my son’s actions. Taking responsibility for the actions of someone with schizophrenia is a road to ruin.
        
        However I do not want to see him homeless. So I clean his flat.
        
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        December 9, 2017 2:47pm
    - artemisia
      
      Family should be the first port of call if at all possible. With support from the state as well, no problem with that.
      
      That is what you have stepped up to srylands. Some families don’t.
      
      (Almost half of applicants waiting for a state house are single people, and many will be in need of extra care and support. Best for them if family keep a watchful eye alongside the overstretched government. Clearly you would agree.)
      
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      December 9, 2017 4:36pm
VicParking

Our Lizzie and the failing newspaper is at it again.
Lizzie has now identifed as a Maori.
Its not you skin colour but what is in your heart.
A bit like its not the balls between your legs but what drugs are in your system.
She says: “our people are disproportionately imprisoned, impoverished, and unemployed… Pākehā refuse to acknowledge the role of colonialism in our current lopsided social statistics.” I agree that if Europeans had not arrived in NZ there would be no Maori in prison, broke, or unemployed. Instead of prison there was the Hangi, can’t be poor if there is no money and the one redeeming feature, they all would have been their own bosses. Lizzie I know you write these articles over a bottle of wine but you should sober up before hitting the send key.
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December 9, 2017 8:34am
- slightlyrighty
  
  It never ceased to amaze me how often a SJW will take on the persona of those they deem to be oppressed in the hope of gaining sympathy and attention.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:38am
- waikatogirl
  
  Does Lizzie believe there was no crime in Maori society before Europeans arrived? Sure crime was short lived, if caught the criminal didn’t get to live any longer, or was banished from the tribe. So she is correct, no prison population! //
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:42am
  - Tauhei Notts
    
    The point you make emphasises that colonialism has increased the amount of re-offending. Prior to colonialism miscreants were not able to re-offend.
    Reminds me of a policeman friend on the golf course;
    My long putt stopped 3cm short of the hole. He told me that at least 95% of putts hit short of the hole do not go in, and similarly, at least 95% of people sentenced to capital punishment do not re-offend.
    Of course colonialism has increased the rate of re-offending. Accept it. Get over it. Get along with your life.
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:50am
  - niggly
    
    Fancy that (Lizzie), they had slavery, banishment (from society) or in essence the death penalty, all of which in a modern context would be considered worse.
    
    Does Lizzie not know her history or does she prefer to gloss over and pretend like it never happened?
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:51am
    - flipper
      
      If you wish to shove this up the mallard duck, Lizzie, the Redmelons labour, Peters Party, and idiots such as Coffeepoof and McCahon chin, please be my guest. It puts those pre colonial savages in context.
      
      Life of a Maori Slave 1827
      1832 – Earle, A. A Narrative of a Nine Months’ Residence in New Zealand, in 1827
      
      The scene I have just described brings into consideration the subject of slavery, as it now exists in New Zealand. That slavery should be the custom of savage nations and cannibals, is not a cause of wonder: they are the only class of human beings it ought to remain with. Here slavery assumes its most hideous shape! Every one they can effect a seizure of in an enemy’s country becomes the slave of the captors. Chiefs are never made prisoners; they either fight to the last, or are killed on the spot, and their heads are preserved (by a peculiar method) as trophies. Children are greatly prized: these they bring to their dwellings, and they remain slaves for life. Upon the number of slaves a chief can muster he takes his rank as a man of wealth and consequence in society; and the only chance these wretched beings have of being released from their miseries, is their master getting into a rage, and murdering them without further ceremony.
      “On entering a village, a stranger instantly discovers which portion of its inhabitants are the slaves, though both the complexion and the dresses of all are alike. The free Zealander is a joyous, good-humoured looking man, full of laughter and vivacity, and is chattering incessantly; but the slaves have invariably a squalid dejected look; they are never seen to smile, and appear literally half starved. The beauties characteristic of a New Zealander are his teeth and hair: the latter,
      in particular, is his pride and study; but the slaves have their heads half shorn. The male slave is not allowed to marry; and any intercourse with a female, if discovered, is generally punished by death. Never was there a body of men so completely cut off from all society as these poor slaves; they never can count, with certainty, on a single moment of life, as the savage caprice of their master may instantly deprive them of it. If, by chance, a slave should belong to a kind and good master, an accident happening to him, or any of his family, will probably prove equally fatal to the slave, as some are generally sacrificed on the death of a chief.
      Thus these poor slaves are deprived of every hope and stimulus by which all other classes and individuals are animated; no good conduct of theirs towards their master, no attachment to his person or family, no fidelity or long service can ensure kind treatment. If the slave effect his escape to his own part of the country, he is there treated with contempt; and when he dies (if a natural death), his body is dragged to the outside of the village, there to be made sport of by the children, or to furnish food for the dogs! but more frequently his fate is to receive a fatal blow in a fit of passion, and then be devoured by his brutal master! Even the female slaves who, if pretty, are frequently taken as wives by their conquerors, have not a much greater chance of happiness, all being dependent upon the caprice of their owners.”
      
      http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/document?wid=300&page=0&action=null
      
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      December 9, 2017 10:29am
  - G152
    
    Slavery was all the go for the bad buggers. Piss the chief off and you were on the menu
    
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    December 9, 2017 11:42am
- KevOB
  
  Lizzie has a problem with Maori language too. When did the first “a” in “pakeha” become a long vowel? The macron at the end is superfluous.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:54am
- Jack5
  
  This is a from a piece by Marvellous Lizzie, dated 15 September 15, 2016. It’s from the “thatsus” site promoted by the Human Rorts Commission:
  
  … white privilege refers to the arbitrary advantages society grants to those with fair skin. It manifests in stereotypes, unconscious bias, all-out racism and everything in between. It is as powerful as it is invisible to many of those who possess it.
  
  But for me, my white privilege is only half of the story. I grew up in Rotorua, and until the age of about 8-years-old, I had no idea that I was of Māori descent.
  
  It’s a story that is sadly quite common: my mother had lost touch with her Māori heritage and wider whānau when she moved away from the pa at Ohinemutu as a child. It wasn’t until I complained to her after school one day that I’d been teased in the playground for being a Pākehā that she explained to me I was Māori too.
  
  Nice macron work, Lizzie. On white privilege, I wonder if she’s heard about the chopping up for witch doctors’ remedies the African kids born as (white) albinos.
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:55am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Jack 5 , what you need to come to grips with is that a large number of your posts belong to the alt right lunatic fringe that have absolutely no relevance to mainstream thinking in NZ .
    
    The last election result proves this conclusively which ever way you voted and for which coalition
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:29am
    - Jack5
      
      Morning to the ☪?Stephiestani☪? blog squad! And again, welcome back from your refresher course in Stephiestan.
      
      You post at 9.29:
      
      The last election result proves this conclusively which ever way you voted and for which coalition
      
      What does that gibberish mean? Could you please get the Stephiestani duty translator to sort it out?
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:41am
      - sooty
        
        Yes. But do we today stephie 1,3 or 9?
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:33am
    - treadingthemill
      
      what you need to come to grips with is that a large number of your posts belong to the alt right lunatic fringe
      
      Bullshit. I think Iv’e identified the small number of genuine alt-rightists here and Jack5 is definitely not one of them. In fact I have seen Jack5 have a go at them several times, especially Ead.
      
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      December 9, 2017 10:37am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Hi mm ?‍♂️
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:42am
      - realityczech
        
        Trodden is on the authoritarian left, same has the Nazis were. EAD is far closer to the center.
        
        The other difference is EAD’s positions are evidence based and sincere. Trodden is a virtue signalling sleaze with the depth of a carpark puddle.
        
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        December 9, 2017 11:43am
      - treadingthemill
        
        In reality I’m a centrist, neither left nor right. I voted for John Key three times, and for Jim Bolger in 1990. Ead is far right, and almost nothing he says is based on evidence.
        
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        December 9, 2017 11:54am
    - realityczech
      
      stupidboy, the election proved NZ rejects the far left. Even with all their parties combined they could not form a govt the size of National alone. It took the conservative NZF to help them out.
      
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      December 9, 2017 11:47am
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    Just because someone has found a macron does not mean they should try and make macaroni with it.
    
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    December 9, 2017 4:22pm
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t Lizzie one of the Howard Morrison whanau ?
  And having wealthy Hotel owner parents.
  The best reference you can have in Rotorua – easy.
  
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  December 9, 2017 1:49pm
slightlyrighty

One does try to keep up with Current events, even if one did not vote for the current Government.

I glanced up at the news to see our New Prime Minister, and I think that the job may be taking a physical toll on her.

She is starting to look, shall I say, a bit Gaunt. I think that she is more than a little stressed by the demands of the role that 6 months ago, she had no inkling that she would have.

She has never headed a ministry, never served in a cabinet, and now she has the top job, having never been tested on the way and never having to assume any responsibility. She never won an electorate until she was gifted Mt Albert after David Shearer left.

I believe time will show that while she seems poised on the outside now, she is out of her depth, and the withholding of the coalition agreement has been done out of fear that when it is made public, it will show just how out of her depth she is.
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December 9, 2017 8:35am
flipper

In Stuff ……
Watkins has carried on where Parker’s spokesman (and Labour shill ), V Small left.
This morning Watkins is at it already….
So .. A few questions if I may ……

Now that V Small has finally nailed his colours to his real mast, can we look forward to some balanced, non partisan writing?

Can we look forward to political reporters actually reporting and not editorialising, including by exclusion, “on the hoof”?

Can we anticipate that all such reporters will note that BIMs are prepared, independently, by Department CEOs and represent their wish lists?

Can we expect hard, pointed, questions to be put to Ministers when they retreat into obfuscation?

Can we expect Peters to be subject to scrutiny in relation to the missing $158,000 and to the Glenn matters?
Can we expect6 reporters to walk out when Peters, Ardern , Robertson dodge issues?

Can we expect the same gold standard to be applied equally to the National, Labour, Green and Peters parties?.

Finally, can we anticipate that in future all Stuff “Editorials” and political “think pieces” will carry the author’s name, and the caveat: “The views expressed herein are those of the author” and are not necessarily those of Fairfax” ?????
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December 9, 2017 8:37am
- ztev
  
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  No.
  hehehehe.
  
  best you just continue howling at the moon
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:01am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Are you claiming to have influence over what is, or is not, published on Stuff and by whom?
    Suggest you be careful not to overreach yourself.
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:47am
RF

There is a new book about the Royal Family. It’s called. My husband and I. The inside story.

The Queen did not approve of Tony Blair calling him. ” Too much too quickly”.

Jeez…. she could be desribing Ardern.
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December 9, 2017 8:48am
- ztev
  
  Really ? The Royal Children such paragons of virtue
  
  Andrew doubled his efforts and beat the ground even harder, taking a sideways swipe at the legs of the horses. When he refused to stop, two grooms picked him up, threw him into the dung heap and shovelled manure all over him. The prince was too shocked to cry, but the impact of his humiliation hit him and, when he managed to extract himself from the foul-smelling mess, he ran as fast as he could up the hill to the castle saying: ‘I’ll tell my mummy on you! I’ll tell my mummy.’
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:12am
  - ztev
    
    It gets worse
    an age so decorous that it forbade the publication of any photographs of the Queen in her pregnancy and never officially acknowledged that she had delivered her first-born by Caesarean section.
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:14am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Wtf?
      Yesterday you were bleating about how wrong it is to date women older than the age of consent and now you’re banging on about caesareans?
      What sort of puritan nut cake are you?
      Ohhh, uptight Labour one.
      
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      December 9, 2017 9:21am
      - ztev
        
        if a 30 yr old man who was dating girls in high school ( no one is suggesting they are underage), why is he all these years later denying it.
        if those girls dads knew about Roy Moore at the time……?
        
        The story about no photos of a pregnant queen and no disclosure of the Cesarean shows outdated views at the time- read what I said- dotard
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:24am
Hugh Pavletich

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Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/12/nzs-new-housing-minister-lashes-policy-malfeasance/#comment-3013823

OPINION: Going, going, gone? National and its legacy … Tracy Watkins … Stuff / Fairfax NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/99674132/Going-going-gone-National-and-its-legacy?cid=app-iPad

OPINION: It’s taken this long, but the shell shock of finding itself in Government seems to be wearing off for Labour.

After an untidy start, the fightback has begun.

The flood of “BIMs” – briefings to incoming ministers,170 of them in total – has provided the opening to a conversation about National’s legacy not being all it was cracked up to be. … read more via hyperlink above …
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NZ’s new housing minister lashes policy malfeasance – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/12/nzs-new-housing-minister-lashes-policy-malfeasance/

By Leith van Onselen

Hot on the heels of his masterful speech to the Salvation Army setting the framework for Labour’s housing reform agenda, New Zealand’s housing minister, Phil Twyford, has been presented with a damning briefing on the state of the market, which has caused “stark” inequality between young and old. From Stuff.co.nz: … read more via hyperlink above …
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- All_on_Red
  
  “stark” inequality between young and old.”
  
  What, older people are richer than young people?
  Who knew?
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:22am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    … BUT … WILL THE BUREAUCRATIC INCOMPETENCE DESTROY LABOUR TOO ? …
    
    … Read more … GONE GONE GOING section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
    
    … essential viewing …
    
    Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4
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    The Great Inertia Sector investigation … UK Daily Mail
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289702/Public-sector-inertia-council-office-employees-month-sickies.html
    
    In his emergency Budget this week, Chancellor George Osborne announced he was cutting public sector expenditure by 25 per cent. Unions have declared the cuts irresponsible. But are they? Here, one employee for a large inner London authority lifts the lid on the culture of inertia and incompetence at his workplace. The Mail knows the true identity of the man – a graduate who has been a planning officer for eight years. But to protect his job, he is writing under an assumed name. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:49am
  - Harkman
    
    All_on_Red
    
    Hugh is posting nonsense again, there has always been a wealth gap between old and young. People like Milton Friedman (permanent income hypothesis/ consumption function) and others had long since known this. Strangely, Thomas Piketty said it was largely irrelevant, yet he was forced to concede that the massive reduction of inequality caused by asset destruction during ww2 caused many elderly French to starve to death in the late 1940s and early 1950s.
    
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    December 9, 2017 10:59am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Housing stress and inequality go hand-in-hand … a very lethal political cocktail indeed … and why the Kiwi Tories are deservedly on the Opposition benches … still too stupid to learn anything ! …
      
      ‘Completely broken’? Widening inequality fuels discontent among Kiwis | Stuff.co.nz
      
      http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/93679813/completely-broken-widening-inequality-fuels-discontent-among-kiwis
      
      … extracts …
      
      … Are those in the Beehive today getting too smug and out of touch? Could similar things happen here? …
      
      … The Stuff.co.nz/Massey University Election Survey asked questions that other polls don’t ask, to find out how much political discontent may be simmering in New Zealand. …
      
      … Seventy-three per cent agreed that inequality is “too high and/or growing fast”, while slightly more (74 per cent) agreed that “there is a major housing crisis in New Zealand right now”.
      
      Health, housing and environment (in that order) were the three most widely chosen issues likely to influence voters at the election. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      The risk is greater than the GFC if we can’t fix the housing crisis … (former Australian Liberal leader) John Hewson … The Age / SMH
      
      http://www.smh.com.au/comment/the-risk-is-greater-than-the-gfc-if-we-cant-fix-the-housing-crisis-20170309-guu4sf.html
      
      Inequality & Housing: through the roof … The Economist
      
      http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21647349-rising-house-prices-may-be-chiefly-responsible-rising-inequality-through
      
      Socialist Thomas Piketty’s Theory on Income Equality Wrecked by 26-Year-Old MIT Grad Student … Breitbart
      
      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/26/socialist-thomas-pikettys-theory-on-income-equality-wrecked-by-26-year-old-mit-grad-student/
      
      Poverty, gap between rich & poor and housing affordability, housing shortage, and homelessness dominate discussion in lead-up to election, says Roy Morgan poll | interest.co.nz
      
      http://www.interest.co.nz/news/89038/poverty-gap-between-rich-poor-and-housing-affordability-housing-shortage-and-homelessness
      
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      December 9, 2017 2:15pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Meet NZ’s newest housing idiot – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/meet-nzs-newest-housing-idiot/
        
        By Leith van Onselen
        
        Apparently Auckland’s housing market is no longer in “crisis”, according to the National opposition’s housing spokesman, Michael Woodhouse: … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        December 9, 2017 2:38pm
      - Viking2
        
        but Hugh you read old news. You need to keep up.
        
        Already comment is that some area’s in Auckland have a surplus of housing. Tauranga is close to that as well.
        
        Just yesterdays Stats. dept up graded their income per household to show that incomes were greater than they had previously stated and that house affordability was much better because of their long past due upgrade. ( I did post this so go back and look instead of being bone idle and lazy).
        
        and then of course the Children’s Commissioner said on Thursday that their is 20,000 less kids in poverty due to benefit upgrades and better incomes all round and that info was 18 months old. The situation will be much better when current numbers are finally revealed.
        
        And then of course the issue of lack of housing and underfeed kids etc has gone from the front pages. apparently Jacinda hgas fixed it all for ya.
        
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        December 9, 2017 5:39pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Stats NZ adjustments …
        
        The Stats NZ increases sure seem pretty fantastical ! …
        
        Household income and housing-cost statistics correction | Scoop News
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_9_december_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2096137
        
        From the google search page ‘Statistics NZ household incomes’ …
        
        average annual personal income was $51,945, up 7.7 percent from 2016. average annual personal income for females increased at a much higher rate (9.2 percent) than for males (6.7 percent), when compared with 2016. for every $100 of household income, New Zealand households spent an average of $16.40 on housing costs.Oct 18, 2017
        
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        December 9, 2017 6:48pm
Sofia

Is it the media or Winston prolonging this? –

Winston Peters urged to drop lawsuit against journalists by media advocate group

Media Freedom Committee chair Miriyana Alexander said journalists had a fundamental right to protect their sources, and could claim privilege under the Evidence Act.

NO – the matter was sorted in less than 24 hours and Winston received a letter thanking him for his prompt co-operation. The public need not know, no matter how much the ‘irony’ might be click bait.
It was part of 52,525 overpayments made in the year to June 30, 2017.

In fact those seeking to publicise this, in comparison to Metiria’s amoral mess, could be accused of campaigning on Winston’s behalf.

However anyone leaking this information before Winston’s reaction to the issue, could have been hoping to negatively sway an Electorate, in the same manner as Kim Dotcom with his fictitious “Warners” email, and such a person should be exposed.

Miriyana Alexander should be challenged to show what the significant public interest was in an MP being overpaid superannuation and immediately remedying it, and why that overrode any entitlement to privacy.
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December 9, 2017 8:48am
- marcw
  
  Peters is in a senior role in the Government of this country. If he is shown to be incapable of correctly filling in a form, and then failing to correct his mistake even when reminded each year for seven years – then the public have an absolute right to know. Incompetence and senility should disqualify him from Parliament, and this should apply to all those such afflicted. He is the author of his own stupidity.
  
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  December 9, 2017 12:19pm
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Heroes
No. 3: COLIN KAEPERNICK

One of the fastest, cleverest, most exciting football players of his generation, Colin Kaepernick led San Francisco to the 2013 Super Bowl, the first time the 49ers had made it in twenty years.

But it’s as a moral leader that he has really made his mark. To register his disgust at police killings of black citizens and the war crimes of the United States overseas, Kaepernick refused to stand for the militarised national anthem ceremony before games. He has carried on the proud tradition of Jackie Robinson, Muhammad Ali, John Carlos, Tommie Smith, and countless other black athletes who have refused to be bullied into silence by politicians and their media accomplices.

To the fury of the flag-idolating right wing, Kaepernick’s leadership has inspired hundreds of athletes in many sports, from professional to high school level, to refuse to participate in state-sponsored obedience ceremonies before their games.

So influential, and so threatening, has Kaepernick’s moral stature become that he provoked the Groper-in-Chief to unleash a public tirade against him, hilariously urging NFL owners to “Get that son of a bitch off the field right now. Out. He’s fired. He’s fired!”

“He’s one of the brightest, most articulate and committed people that I have ever come across. I knew Muhammad Ali. I most certainly worked with Carlos and Smith. Bill Russell, Jim Brown, some of these people from the 1960s, Arthur Ashe—I put him in that class. And I’m pushing him. I hope that he’ll become a person of the year—all of the athletes collectively—and I personally am pushing him for a Nobel Peace Prize nomination, even if he doesn’t get it, because I think he’s going to have that impact as we look back 20 years from now, 30 years from now. And I think it should be recognized.”–Dr. Harry Edwards
https://www.democracynow.org/2017/9/25/dr_harry_edwards_nominate_football_player

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2748262-laila-ali-its-wonderful-colin-kaepernick-got-si-muhammad-ali-legacy-award

“Heroes” is a series devoted to those courageous and brilliant people who show us that, in a world seemingly run by flag-fetishists, cowards, conformists, crooks, abusers, scoundrels, mass murderers and liars, there are still reasons for optimism.

No. 1 Edward Snowden, No. 2 Gideon Levy
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December 9, 2017 8:59am
- Luke Piewalker
  
  Lost me at Kaepernick
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:16am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Is it possible to provide a more abject example of intellectual laziness than Luke Piewalker’s response? I think not.
    
    https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/colin_kaepernick_jan_rtr_img.jpg
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:21am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Time to check your uptick/downtick ratio again morris dancer.
      
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      December 9, 2017 10:23am
      - Morrissey
        
        Ha ha ha, Cap’n. You think getting upticks in this place is an indication of merit, do you?
        
        No, of course you don’t really think so, unless you’re a freaking moron—like these two witless fellows, who compete with one another to post racist comments, and get rewarded with upticks, not the downticks they’d get in any sane or normal company…..
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/should_we_demand_fairness_in_sports.html#comment-2095561
        
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        December 9, 2017 5:54pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      Is it possible to provide a more abject example of intellectual laziness than Luke Piewalker’s response?
      
      Yes. Claiming that anyone who disagress with Chomsky has never read him.
      
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      December 9, 2017 10:32am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        touché
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:35am
    - Luke Piewalker
      
      Have you got hurty feelings Morrissey? Need a safe space?
      
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      December 9, 2017 4:17pm
      - Morrissey
        
        ???
        
        What? You’re the one who showed you’re too weak and/or too stupid to justify your antipathy to this American hero. To hurt my feelings, you’d have to say something really cruel, and really clever, and I’d have to be really vulnerable like, say, Donald Trump is really vulnerable.
        
        I don’t think you’re that capable, and I know I’m not that weak. So thanks for your concern, but no, you haven’t hurt my feelings.
        
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        December 9, 2017 6:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lol
        Only a moron would think that in 2017 that someone who is so dumb they are so confused about what they are protesting that they make themselves unemployed and therefore they are an AMERICAN HERO!
        
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        December 9, 2017 6:59pm
  - sooty
    
    Lost me at short, fat, ugly and missing out!
    
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    December 9, 2017 10:36am
- All_on_Red
  
  He’s been pretty average since 2014.
  He would have had a job this year except his dumb girlfriend called the team owner a racist.
  Lol
  Hey, you know what would be brave? Black athletes calling out blacks for killing other blacks and the shocking stats of black single parent families.
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:26am
  - stephieboy
    
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    All On Red ,
    
    Now what about the challenge I tossed to you yesterday .
    
    One by one lets go through Trump’s litany of lies. You can begin first ,
    
    “T r u m p ’ s L i e s”
    Many Americans have become accustomed to President Trump’s lies. But as regular as they have become, the country should not allow itself to become numb to them. So we have catalogued nearly every outright lie he has told publicly since taking the oath of office. Updated July 21: The president is still lying, so we’ve added to this list, and provided links to the facts in each case.
    By DAVID LEONHARDT and STUART A. THOMPSON UPDATED July 21, 2017
    JUMP TO STORY BELOW
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/23/opinion/trumps-lies.html
    
    LOL
    
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    December 9, 2017 9:39am
  - Morrissey
    
    Idiot.
    
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    December 9, 2017 5:56pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      GFY
      Kaepernick is a loser these days.
      You have to laugh at him wrecking the very business which made him rich- although he’s getting more broke every day. Ha!
      His protests are mainly driven by his Muslim girlfriend.
      But you probably knew that eh Hamas Hugger.
      
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      December 9, 2017 6:05pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Yes, indeed, being named as GQ Man of the Year, winning the Sports Illustrated Muhammad Ali Legacy Award, followed by the Puffin/Nation Prize for Creative Citizenship—on the same day earlier this week!—and being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize means that Colin Kaepernick is a ….. loser.
        
        To give some weight to your “argument”, it’s true that he was only the runner-up in the 2017 TIME Person of the Year award. (That’s the one that the Groper in Chief thought he should win.)
        
        http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/67/63/60/14629891/3/1024×1024.jpg
        
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        December 9, 2017 6:38pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Don’t make me laugh. Those awards are just virtue signalling shite. They are meaningless.
        If you think they are significant you’re more of a moron than I already think you are.
        Has he really been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize?
        Bwahhahahahaha
        Now that’s funny.
        You’re such a fuckwit.
        
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        December 9, 2017 6:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        If he had any integrity he would be speaking out against the plague of black crime consuming the US. Most dirty black animals are killed by other beasts, not by human police.
        
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        December 9, 2017 7:17pm
- Longknives
  
  https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-wore-anti-police-socks-at-practice-090116
  
  https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/19/colin-kaepernick-compares-police-officers-runaway-/
  
  The guy is just a Crim-Hugging Police Hater! (Like most Lefties)
  
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  December 9, 2017 10:15am
EAD_TWO

You’d think International Jewry would be satisfied with Trumps recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital but this article is straight from the “it’s Never Enough Department”

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/251052/trumps-embassy-statement

Bloody hell – its got to the stage whereby unless Trump declares war on Iran immediately he is nothing but a vicious anti-Semite who wants to kill all the Jews (insert other hate words here)
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December 9, 2017 9:43am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , the President colluding with nefarious international Jewry aft all , eh ?
  
  LOL
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:54am
- realityczech
  
  The Jews are obsessed with the genocide of the Persians. The destruction of Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya and the restarting of the cold war with Russia are all preliminary steps before the attack on Iran.
  
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  December 9, 2017 11:59am
All_on_Red

I see that the troll Stephieboy has returned.
It’s probably worth remembering what sort of person he is.
This is a guy who has been given Strikes because he thinks it’s acceptable to post links to Porn sites on KB.
Who admits he goes to Malls and pervs at young girls.
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stephieboy

Jack 5, recently i was at St Luke’s shopping mall and I saw a Muslim lady dressed in traditional apparel accompanied by her two beautiful young daughters dressed in modern western tight jeans and blouses , revealing lovely supple body proportions , including small but ample breasts .
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He described them as ‘Honeypots’
What a disgraceful disgusting perving little creep.
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December 9, 2017 9:48am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red, the female form revolts and disgusts you ?
  
  Weird !
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:55am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Interesting you think it’s acceptable to peep on young girls.
    What a creep.
    
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    December 9, 2017 10:04am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , the girls in question were at least late teens or early twenties .
      
      Again why is the young female form repugnant and vile ?
      
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      December 9, 2017 10:07am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Wow, no denial you perved at them. I reckon we all find you ‘repugnant and vile’
        Especially those of us with daughters.
        Hey, you know how William of Ockham gets the first post of GD .
        I think I should post this reminder about you
        EVERYDAY.
        As a public service of course.
        Do your fellow Churchgoers know you have these ‘habits’ when you go out?
        You odious little perv.
        LOL
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:16am
      - Manolo
        
        Are you still at it, dear stephieboy?
        
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        December 9, 2017 10:54am
      - GazzaW
        
        That’s precisely the sort of behaviour that led to Rolf Harris getting into trouble stephie – late teens and early twenties girls are not really into old pervs leering at them. Have you thought about getting some help?
        
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        December 9, 2017 11:26am
    - realityczech
      
      Its Muslims like stupidboy that make the others look bad. His predation on young girls is disgusting.
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:01pm
  - Manolo
    
    Will you confess, dear stephieboy?
    
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    December 9, 2017 10:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo , to What exactly ?
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:05pm
      - Manolo
        
        Your so-called weakness for perving on young girls. Is it true?
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        By his own words he admits it.
        Still, at least the good news is that when he is here, the young girls at St Luke’s are safe!
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:24pm
- Longknives
  
  “Young Daughters”? “Honeypots”??
  Jesus you’re creepy Stephieboy!
  
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  December 9, 2017 10:11am
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives , get over yourself !
    
    The female form repugnant to you too ?
    
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    December 9, 2017 10:13am
- GoVege
  
  Do try to stick to the present year AOR. …and stop reading devious intent into other people’s posts.
  
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  December 9, 2017 10:40am
  - treadingthemill
    
    The words stephieboy chose, and the detail he wen’t into, are a little on the creepy side.
    
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    December 9, 2017 10:44am
    - GoVege
      
      That’s a matter of opinion IMO…but after 2 YEARS some of you are still going on about it?
      Sound like a bunch of nagging fish wives!
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:01pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Well this is the first time I have seen the post, and I think today is the first time I have seen stephieboy on the blog. So it’s news to me. And it’s still creepy. Having seen his posts today, he’s not exactly inviting fair play with people’s responses. If you’re on a blog that’s not friendly territory to your politics it’s smart to not go out of your way to insult every single person you respond to.
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:06pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        We just don’t want to click onto one of his links and discover we are gazing into the vagina of a married woman.
        
        He got sent to the naughty corner for that one.
        
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        December 9, 2017 4:08pm
EAD_TWO

Brilliant article in Harvard Crimson reminding millennials that Marxism is a murderous ideology.

http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/11/20/nicolae-one-hundred-million/#.WibGMtdGMX4.twitter

The horrors of communism in the USSR is much on the minds of many of us Alt Righters as we are well aware that it preceded National Socialism and was much on the minds of Europeans who greeted National Socialism.

The murderous hatred of contemporary “leftists” like Tim Wise, Noel Ignatiev & the people behind Antifa is a warning of what can happen here.
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December 9, 2017 9:53am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , but an ideology that was done and dusted as at 1991 and the Chinese abandoning and repudiating its tenants in all but name as they pursue capitalist ideology with zeal .
  
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  December 9, 2017 9:58am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    It’s not “done and dusted” – it’s mutated into Cultural Bolshevism
    
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    December 9, 2017 10:01am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO , like Womens and Gay rights ?
      
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      December 9, 2017 10:05am
      - All_on_Red
        
        What about young women’s rights not to be perved at in public?
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:13pm
Longknives

So the Media are breathlessly reporting that their beloved ‘People’s Princess’ is doing a Fashion Shoot for Vogue.
Wasn’t this same Media shrieking their collective outrage when Mike Hosking innocuously asked her what she was going to wear for the Leader’s Debate??

I don’t understand The Left….
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December 9, 2017 10:22am
- Longknives
  
  Sorry just saw Dime had already addressed this at 8.09 am.
  
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  December 9, 2017 10:25am
  - Longknives
    
    My wife also just mentioned to me her surprise at this Vogue thing- “I thought Jacinda was out to end Capitalism? ..Vogue is about as Capitalist as you can get”.
    
    Seems Jacinda ‘Capitalism has Failed’ Ardern is a laughable hypocrite….
    
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    December 9, 2017 10:44am
    - ztev
      
      No shes not.
      She said some aspects have failed.
      
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      December 9, 2017 11:31am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        And then she *lied* that hundreds of thousands of children don’t have enough to survive. Because of capitalism.
        
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        December 9, 2017 1:08pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      The decision by Cindy to accept the photo shoot with Vogue was a ‘Captains call’.
      Nothing to see here, move on…
      ?
      
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      December 9, 2017 11:34am
      - Piniwi
        
        But waikatogirl it only adds to the confusion.
        Commie Chick = fashionable?
        Vogue = Vague?
        
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        December 9, 2017 2:58pm
- Morrissey
  
  The thing is: Hosking was SUPPOSED to be a serious political interviewer. Nobody minds fashion shoots and fun; the problem comes when someone is so clearly out of his depth, and determined to trivialize everything.
  
  Of course, she shouldn’t ever speak to such a fool, and should have demanded someone with at least a modicum of intellect and integrity to interview her. But that’s another matter.
  
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  December 9, 2017 5:59pm
Manolo

So much for fairness and impartiality:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-allies-urge-harder-line-as-mueller-probe-drags-on-1512748299
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December 9, 2017 10:53am
- Inandout
  
  Trump may be letting Mueller dig his own grave. One business savvy guy versus an entrenched blinkered public servant.
  
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  December 9, 2017 11:03am
  - stephieboy
    
    “..business savvy guy..” ???
    
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    December 9, 2017 12:06pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      We all know your ‘business’ is lurking round young women in public
      LOL!
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:12pm
    - Inandout
      
      You my friend are just a poor Mt Roskill resident with a penchant for mosques. When you acquire a whole street of commercial buildings, let us know.
      
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      December 9, 2017 1:31pm
Inandout

‘In opposition, Hodgson was Labour’s “chief dirt-digger and mudslinger”. The scandals he exposed caused two government ministers to resign’.

I wonder if Hodgy will carry on his dirt digging in his new well paid job? I can barely remember him.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10696124
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December 9, 2017 11:01am
- waikatogirl
  
  All you have to know Inandout is Hodgson is a NASTY lefty. He will help the Comrades with their secret agenda.
  
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  December 9, 2017 11:36am
- Viking2
  
  He was the nasty piece of crap that closed down the West Coast Timberlands.
  
  Couldn’t wait to exact that revenge on Timberlands.
  
  Nasty as.
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Timberlands+%2B+Hodgson&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&dcr=0&ei=G2srWtmgBKju8wf6nr3oBg
  
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  December 9, 2017 5:47pm
Fletch

A trans-woman man has been elected the head of a major feminist group in Canada.

Quebec’s largest feminist organization has elected a “transgender” biological male as its president.

The Federation des Femmes du Quebec, which represents some 300 feminist groups and about 700 individual members, announced Monday that Gabrielle Bouchard is its new leader.

The 49-year-old Bouchard is a “trans advocate and public educator” with Concordia University’s Center for Gender Advocacy.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/major-feminist-group-elects-transgender-man-as-leader

So the women have basically elected a man as their leader. Too funny.
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December 9, 2017 11:33am
- Jack5
  
  The worrying bit, Fletch, is that the West is more and more resembling the decadent phase of Germany on the eve of Hitler – the Weimar Republic.
  
  It’s what might come next that is scary.
  
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  December 9, 2017 11:40am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5 , this would of course explain why the intellectual flower of Weimar ( including Albert Einstein ) up and left the onslaught of Hitler’s intellectual barbarism ?
    
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    December 9, 2017 11:59am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Do you think Hitler would have castrated those that leer and perv at young girls?
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , discuss the process how you mentally intellectually and mentally castrated and neutered yourself with your infantile posts ?
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hahahahaha, read the crap you post pervyboy.
        Hey, two can play the game of following people around and making snark remarks on people posts.
        Why don’t you run along and have a look at all those Porn sites you obviously like you creep.
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:20pm
  - Inandout
    
    There are 35,000 Muslims in Poland, and we have 46,000. Poland is intolerant of Muslim migrants, we welcome them.
    
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    December 9, 2017 12:01pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout , why Poland being intolerant of them is such a good thing ?
      
      There was a time when many Poles were intolerant of Jews
      
      Fact !
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:03pm
      - realityczech
        
        The Poles are a murderous racist bunch. They are currently persecuting the Romani and Russophobia is rampant. We have an active neo Nazi’s on KB with links to Poland.
        
        “‘Orgy of Murder’: The Poles Who ‘Hunted’ Jews and Turned Them Over to the Nazis
        read more: https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-1.770707“
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:08pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I’m sure the Poles are intolerant of perving creeps too
        LOL!
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:09pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Jews did their own thing regarding religion, with no aim of converting anybody. They contributed to the economy and were often highly educated. There was very little violence from Jews in Europe. Intolerance of them was clearly wrong.
        
        Anyone looking at the behaviour of many islamic ‘refugees’ in Europe these days can form their own opinion. And should be able to decide whether to take any in.
        
        Also wanting no ‘refugees’ (actually mainly economic illegal migrants) is not sending people to death camps.
        
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        December 9, 2017 1:17pm
      - realityczech
        
        Classic not sure what your point is as I think we are all against religious persecution. However can you give a sensible answer as to why the Jews have been persecuted in numerous countries throughout the centuries ?
        
        I’m betting you cant…
        
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        December 9, 2017 3:11pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        There were many reasons, including:
        Easy targets, useful scapegoats for those in power to direct the populace’s anger at, some wealthy ones worth robbing, often easily identifiable. Read some history and you’ll know why.
        
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        December 9, 2017 4:21pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes I do know why. I was asking if you did. As expected you have a weak an dishonest answer.
        
        They wen’t out of favour with their host nations due to the contempt with which they treated non Jews and the lies. Always the terrible lies. Jews regard goyim with (at best) patronizing condescension through to regarding them as dirty beasts.
        
        That is why.
        
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        December 9, 2017 5:00pm
  - Fletch
    
    Looking in from the (kinda) outside, it’s hard to believe people are so brainwashed that they actually believe this stuff – all this trans-and-gender nonsense where Laurel Hubbard can compete in a recognized athletic event as a woman and where you often find yourself having to argue with someone that a man is not a woman. This really is a case of the Emperor’s New Clothes, where the average person is afraid of speaking the truth for fear of being somehow immoral and out of step with the virtue-signalling elites.
    
    […] “Isn’t it a beautiful piece of goods?” the swindlers asked him, as they displayed and described their imaginary pattern.
    
    “I know I’m not stupid,” the man thought, “so it must be that I’m unworthy of my good office. That’s strange. I mustn’t let anyone find it out, though.” So he praised the material he did not see. He declared he was delighted with the beautiful colors and the exquisite pattern. To the Emperor he said, “It held me spellbound.”
    
    […]
    
    So off went the Emperor in procession under his splendid canopy. Everyone in the streets and the windows said, “Oh, how fine are the Emperor’s new clothes! Don’t they fit him to perfection? And see his long train!” Nobody would confess that he couldn’t see anything, for that would prove him either unfit for his position, or a fool. No costume the Emperor had worn before was ever such a complete success.
    
    “But he hasn’t got anything on,” a little child said.
    
    “Did you ever hear such innocent prattle?” said its father. And one person whispered to another what the child had said, “He hasn’t anything on. A child says he hasn’t anything on.”
    
    “But he hasn’t got anything on!” the whole town cried out at last.
    
    The Emperor shivered, for he suspected they were right. But he thought, “This procession has got to go on.” So he walked more proudly than ever, as his noblemen held high the train that wasn’t there at all.
    
    http://andersen.sdu.dk/vaerk/hersholt/TheEmperorsNewClothes_e.html
    
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    December 9, 2017 12:06pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      It’s not brain washing, it’s just an increasing recognition that human nature itself is extremely fluid. We are not the rigidly fixed beings we think we are.
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:12pm
      - Fletch
        
        We are not the rigidly fixed beings we think we are.
        
        Of course we are. There are only two genders and we are either one or the other (discounting the very rare hermaphrodite) and there is nothing you can do to change it. The rest is wishful thinking, like wanting to be Batman when you were a kid. We indulge this kind of thinking in kids but we ought to tell adults that it’s time to grow up. If you have a penis, you’re a man – end of story.
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:39pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        There are only two genders
        
        By your own admission regarding hemaphrodites, there are at least three. And I see no reason to discount the reasonable possibility that some people might be born with a psychological profile that does not fit their biological sex. The truth for me as that the true root of every individual human is male, female, animal, and many other things. We are shapeshifters by nature.
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:48pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        TreadingtheMill, I agree and think the issue is basically between a person and their doctor (if they really need to to change gender). Allowing people to then be in the Olympics if there are gender advantages (male muscle formation) is another matter.
        
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        December 9, 2017 1:21pm
- Gravelroad
  
  What is a “public educator” and how do you get to be one?
  Is it the same as getting a foot in the door at Stuff and producing poorly researched and biased letters to the editor ponced up as “opinion pieces”?
  This used to be termed as “interviewing the typewriter” and was generally despised by real reporters and journalists. But anyone can be a leader writer these days apparently – even Lizzie Marvelly.
  
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  December 9, 2017 12:04pm
- softail 1450
  
  fletch ,,FFS the whole western world is going crazy ,maybe the loons that have been going on about “chem trails” have been right all along,or is it something in the water ?
  
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  December 9, 2017 12:37pm
Digmen1

Because the muslim religion is not compatible with western /christian values.
And because they WILL cause trouble in Poland and in NZ.
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December 9, 2017 12:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  Digment1 , evidence they will or have caused trouble in either Poland or N Z.
  
  In what sense can you identify yourself as a Christian ?
  
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  December 9, 2017 12:12pm
  - realityczech
    
    Italy gang rape: Tourist attacked in front of boyfriend at seaside resort
    
    A POLISH tourist was gang raped in a “brutal and bestial attack” in front of her boyfriend before he was beaten up at an Italian tourist hotspot.
    
    Police said the vicious attack on the Polish couple, who are 26-years-old, took place in Rimini on the Adriatic coast of Italy.
    
    The man was beaten on the head and robbed according to Italian police.
    
    The woman was raped repeatedly by four men early on Saturday on a stretch of the beach in Rimini, which is one of the most famous seaside resorts in Italy.
    
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/846466/Italy-gang-rape-Rimini-polish-couple-rape-attack-Adriatic-coast-resort
    
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    December 9, 2017 12:15pm
    - realityczech
      
      Poland: Riots erupt after Muslim migrants stab local to death
      
      https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/01/poland-riots-erupt-after-muslim-migrants-stab-local-to-death
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:16pm
    - stephieboy
      
      reality czech , and Poles themselves are capable of doing exactly the same kind of thing ,
      
      http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/music/news/decapitated-arrested-gang-rape-accusation-kidnapping-assault-woman-police-los-angeles-the-pin-latest-a7944136.html
      
      LOL
      
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      December 9, 2017 12:37pm
      - realityczech
        
        stupidboy Muslim immigrants are many times more likely to commit rape due to their fucked up cultural and religious beliefs. That is a simple fact.
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:39pm
      - stephieboy
        
        reality czech , evidence that Muslims here are capable of doing the same kind of things ?
        
        Examples ?
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:41pm
      - softail 1450
        
        stephieboy, you are a contrarian piece of shit stephieboy ,if someone on this blog said that water was wet you’d find a counter argument ,fuck I feel sorry for your friends and family if you’ve got any,,,,,
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:42pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie
        LOL?
        Why are we not surprised that you think gang rape is funny.
        You’re quite creepy aren’t you.
        Ewwwwww
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:42pm
      - stephieboy
        
        softball 1450 , there is nothing contrarian when absolute lies and fabrications are being told about Muslims including these notorious Trump retweets ,
        
        Trump retweeted anti-Muslim propaganda videos from a British hate group
        
        “Three videos were retweeted this morning from the account of the deputy leader of Britain First.”
        
        https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/29/16714788/trump-retweet-britain-first-islamophobia
        
        I would add All on Red’s boorish and boring litanies of lies . I understand they call it the Trumpland effect !
        
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        December 9, 2017 12:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Examples ?”
        
        stupidboy google it. You yourself are an example with your predatory behaviour around young girls.
        
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        December 9, 2017 3:13pm
  - Digmen1
    
    a) Just look at every other western countires that have muslim immigrants. Bombings, car raids, etc etc.
    So it WILL happen here. They are anti western.
    b) In the sense that I am proud that my ancestors fought to keep muslims out of Europe.
    In the sense that I have Christian values and I try to follow the 10 commandments.
    
    What do muslims preach?
    
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    December 9, 2017 3:26pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      The 10 commandments are mostly a poor basis for morality, with only three: don’t kill, don’t thieve, don’t lie being sensible in this modern age. The rest are shite, designed to shore up one particular nasty cult in the nasty violent pantheistic age.
      
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      December 9, 2017 4:54pm
    - realityczech
      
      “In the sense that I am proud that my ancestors fought to keep muslims out of Europe.”
      
      Digmen1 can you tell the readers where Christianity came from ? Was it Texas or something ?
      
      Are you proud your ancestors fought to keep Jews out of Europe too ?
      
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      December 9, 2017 5:05pm
- treadingthemill
  
  Because the muslim religion is not compatible with western /christian values.
  
  Islam is not compatible with modern Western values, or ancient Pagan Western values. In practice, when it dominated the West, I don’t see much difference between Christianity and Islam. And there are several Christians on this blog pushing their own version of Sharia, especially with regards to gay rights, abortion, and euthanasia.
  
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  December 9, 2017 12:30pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I’m an atheist and no friend of those who want Christian theocracy. But those days a long gone for Christianity.
    
    Also, even as an atheist I can agree with more of what Jesus is believed to have said and done than the behaviour and instructions of Muhammad (slavery, wife beating, murder). I do see a fairly large difference between them.
    
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    December 9, 2017 1:33pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      @ CL
      
      But those days a long gone for Christianity.
      
      Yes they have, though some here would like them to come back. But it’s not going to happen.
      
      Also, even as an atheist I can agree with more of what Jesus is believed to have said and done than the behaviour and instructions of Muhammad
      
      Sure, I agree. My comment though was directed at Christianity/the church in practice, not at Jesus himself. I tend to think there is a wide gap between what Jesus taught and what many Christians tend to believe and practice, and an even wider gap when it comes to European Christendom.
      
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      December 9, 2017 2:21pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Very true.
        
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        December 9, 2017 4:44pm
    - realityczech
      
      “Also, even as an atheist I can agree with more of what Jesus is believed to have said and done than the behaviour and instructions of Muhammad (slavery, wife beating, murder). I do see a fairly large difference between them.”
      
      You are an ignorant religious bigot and all round piece of shit. Jesus (may lice and filth be upon him) made it very clear all the horrors of the old testament remain in force.
      
      Jesus went further, much much further. He introduced eternal torture in hell.
      
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      December 9, 2017 4:53pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Wow, RC, strong words. I’ve never called you anything like that.
        
        But I’ll try again: “even as an atheist I can agree with *more of* what Jesus is *believed to have* said and done”
        
        Ie: not all of what he supposedly said. Plus there are many debates about whether he even existed and exactly what he said.
        
        The ethics of it all can be debated, but not with ad hominem attacks.
        
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        December 10, 2017 10:24am
flipper

Well the wonderful (once) paper of record has really scraped the bottom of the lesbian-dyke barrel to produce its daily anti-Trump rant.

Bella- de-what-not of tingles “fame”, is the idiot who claims to be the author. I checked on this pile of nothing with Mr & Mrs Google. Once past the self aggrandising, Bella dyke is revealed as a shallow, really over-uneducated campus germ. The Toothfairy is all-a-come because Vogue (the left wing “progressive” publication, and the repository of Weinstein’s selection of “pretty young things” ) will be doing a spread on her.
As a taxpayer may I hope that
1. She will do this in her own time
2. She will donate the entire (and that of her concubine if involved) fee to a non political charity such as the Sutherland Self Help or Todd Family trusts.

https://www.kiwiblogco.nz/2017/12/general_debate_9_december_2017.html
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December 9, 2017 12:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  flipper , the point of your rant ?
  
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  December 9, 2017 12:39pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Stephieboy- Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator
    
    Hey Stephie, tomorrow I’m starting a new feature series ala Morrisseys Groperwatch.
    It’s called ‘Pervert Watch’
    LOL
    
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    December 9, 2017 12:50pm
  - flipper
    
    As always, as a counter-balance to the screwed in the head MSM and some blog contributors. The latest example is Vogue’s attack on Melania Trump for saying she would like to spend Christmas with the family, alone on a deserted island.
    The MSM, zetev, morrissey et al are simply unhinged.
    
    By the way, is “stephieboy” male, female or something else ?????
    
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    December 9, 2017 2:35pm
    - Harkman
      
      “By the way, is “stephieboy” male, female or something else ?????”
      
      Might be a member of the NZ Weightlifting team.
      
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      December 9, 2017 7:57pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”Might be a member of the NZ Weightlifting team.”…..
        
        Nah! More likely to be the degenerate lurking outside the Mt Roskill library wearing a grubby old gaberdine raincoat with the pockets cut out of it. 🙂
        
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        December 9, 2017 8:02pm
Jack5

There is a downtick threshold, beyond which a post is taken out, though you can click to read it.

Given the way trolls, such as two active today – ztev and the Stephiestanis – sabotage discussion in General Debate, would it be a good idea if the threshold for GD were lowered to say a net 16 downticks? By net, I mean number of downticks less number of upticks.

It’s wouln’t be denying trolls free-speech rights, as their trollery would still be accessible.
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December 9, 2017 12:59pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ztev’s had 6 Strikes and the filthy perv Stephie has had 5 Strikes (just read what he got his Strikes for- ewwww)
  They’re well on the way to being banned.
  But it’s a good idea.
  
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  December 9, 2017 1:17pm
- sam green
  
  Troll being anyone with a differing worldview from you I take it?
  
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  December 9, 2017 11:58pm
All_on_Red

Are these lies StephieCreep?

‘19,565 COMMENTS
stephieboy
Yesterday I was at the Robert Harris cafe St Lukes Megacentre , Mt Albert enjoying a cappuccino. I noticed next door three Muslim women enjoying their lattes with their children . Two of these honeypots .were wearing their Nijabs with stylish jeans and blouses . The other in more typical kiwi informal attire?
Thumb up 7 Thumb down 36REPLY REPORTAUGUST 21, 2016 8:51AM’

‘Honeypots’!!!
So that’s how you regard women eh. I think we better warn Robert Harris Management to be on the lookout for you. You’ll be wearing your dirty raincoat as usual?
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December 9, 2017 1:12pm
Jack5

Joanna Norris, former editor of the Christchurch Press, won’t be too pleased with her old colleagues.

The newspaper in a feature today about the high wages of chief executives of various council arms notes the salary at her new job.

In September, Norris was appointed chief executive of “ChristchurchNZ”, an amalgamation of Christchurch & Canterbury Tourism, the city Convention Bureau, Canterbury Development Corporation, International Education, and the Christchurch City Council’s “major events” function.

Joanna’s new salary is listed as $325,000.

Hope she’s not to blame for the fledgling organisation’s bland name.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/99358045/christchurchs-public-sector-ceo-salaries-revealed
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December 9, 2017 1:15pm
KKKKatee

As I go about some of my most loathed household chores, I have time to think about things. And this snippet popped into my head and it is thus:
Labour are a bit like the errant Employer who doesn’t reference check the CV of an aspiring Employee. Presents well, looks ok – so the Employer needs someone pdq and doesn’t have time to waste reference checking, police checking etc. Offers the job, it’s accepted and the new employee appears to get down to business. But something’s missing – all the things the Employee included about themselves in the letter of application don’t appear to exist. So the Employer is pretty annoyed with himself/herself and thinks things will get better. The Employee has 90 days to prove themselves and so far not good. If the Employee is proving to be deadset useless in the run up to the expiry of the 90 day trial, then action must be taken to get rid. I think this is the bind Labour find themselves in at the present moment. They are proving unfit to Govern and there is no alternative within the Labour Govt who would be able to be promoted once Ardern gets her DCM letter (wishful thinking).
She is clearly out of her depth and unfit to run the show imo. And, what’s more, Winston knows/knew of all her deficits as well. So far the COL is proving it’s complete lack of competence. All those things Ardern campaign on in the first 100 days in office are a joke. For Ardern to actually say that it’s possible for a Politician not to lie is an oxymoron. All Ardern has done since taking over the PM role is lie through her teeth. There, rant over…..
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December 9, 2017 1:51pm
- KKKKatee
  
  I meant to add here that while it’s Ok for the PM to rant and rave at International Social Youth Movement rallies, a PM it does not maketh her.
  
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  December 9, 2017 1:59pm
  - sam green
    
    Obviously “rant” wasn’t over. Hopefully now it is.
    
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    December 9, 2017 10:41pm
MCos

These General Debates have degenerated in the last little while to the point where a good percentage of the comments are just unreadable point scoring
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December 9, 2017 2:03pm
- All_on_Red
  
  2/10 for that one.
  
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  December 9, 2017 2:17pm
- treadingthemill
  
  @ MCos
  
  I agree. It was fun for a while, and a novelty, as I have never participated on a politics blog before, but the novelty has worn off. When I came on today and scrolled down the GD thread, I had to ask myself what the point was. Most of the commentary looked like a bunch of high school kids hyped up on sugar. I might come back next year around budget time.
  
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  December 9, 2017 2:26pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Unfortunately Kiwiblog is a forum which often gets attacked by trolls.
    This has happened frequently over the decade plus I’ve been on here.
    And also unfortunately I am afraid that sometimes the only way to get rid of them is to give them so much shit that they either leave or make a mistake and get a strike and hence get banned.
    You have never seen Stephie in action before.
    He will just snipe at everyone all day and every day.
    It’s disruptive and that is entirely his intent. He seems to get satisfaction out of deliberately upsetting people.
    Fortunately he’s close to receiving an permanent ban.
    This place always is better without him.
    ztev is much the same.
    Shame you feelthat way. I’ve enjoyed your contribution
    
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    December 9, 2017 2:33pm
  - realityczech
    
    Trodden, yeah fuck off sleaze. You represent the most base of the human condition. This blog, and the world, are poorer places for having you in it.
    
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    December 9, 2017 3:16pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes I often thought about starting a blog/forum.
    
    I would moderate the shit out of it.
    There would be no PC crap but no attacks on members and no mindless drivel.
    
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    December 9, 2017 5:19pm
    - realityczech
      
      That is called an echo chamber not a blog.
      
      Why do immoral nasty people always want others silenced ?
      
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      December 9, 2017 5:28pm
      - sam green
        
        I love you realityczech. Random is as random does.
        
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        December 10, 2017 12:10am
  - tom hunter
    
    There’s also the fact that we’re approaching summer and the NZ politics begins to fade like everything else, and the occasional thread by DPF on foreign matters. That means that commentators who want some serious conversations (+ humour!!!!), have little to aim at – most people being here for NZ stuff – which leaves the field to the trolls.
    
    Take a break from Kiwiblog over the long Summer. I do. 🙂
    
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    December 9, 2017 5:43pm
  - GazzaW
    
    ‘I might come back next year around budget time.’
    
    Is that a threat or a promise TTM?
    
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    December 9, 2017 6:17pm
wiseowl

Great rally in Pensecola. Go Trumpy.

Great when he stuck it up the UN.
No to open borders,The US will have their own immigration policy.
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December 9, 2017 2:43pm
publicwatchdog

NZ WHISTLE-BLOWER ALERT!

(Saturday 9 December 2017)

IF YOU THOUGHT WHAT AK TRANSPORT (AT) HAD DONE TO WEST LYNN WAS BAD – CHECK OUT MT ALBERT!

Killing small businesses in town centres – by removing parking.

“No parking – no stopping – no shopping.”

Have YOU seen what’s happened to the Mt Albert shopping centre?

If you think what’s happened in West Lynn is bad – you need to see for yourselves what’s happened to Mt Albert!

Concrete everywhere – no parking!

How pushing cycle lanes in town centres – by removing parking – helps property developers?

How suburban cycleways in town centres help corporate shopping at the multi-national malls?

http://www.mtalbertinc.co.nz/mt-albert-town-centre-upgrade-long-path-turning-things-around/

“…From 2018, as the new look takes final shape, shop owners and landlords may be encouraged by more pleasant surrounds to spruce up their acts; and developers heartened by a new vitality may be drawn to further breathe life into a town centre that otherwise may have died.

Where we now have some run-down premises, we could in the future find medium-rise developments (the Unitary Plan allows for four-to-eight storeys in town centres – logically with shops below and apartments and perhaps offices above) and a more appealing retail and food mix.
…”

First – remove the parking – kill small businesses so property developer$ can buy these buildings, and help drive customers to the multi-national run malls?

Penny Bright

Anti-Corruption whistle-blower.
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December 9, 2017 2:50pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Oh Fuck.
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away.
  Rubbish stays.
  I walk away.
  
  Get your whistle and shove it where the Global Warming Sun does not shine
  
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  December 9, 2017 4:27pm
Keeping Stock

Wait until they try to shoe-horn two tram lanes into Dominion Road Penny; then you’ll see businessesgoing out of business left, right and centre.

By the way, have you sorted out your rates debt yet?
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December 9, 2017 3:31pm
Jack5

Global banking’s top regulator gives a warning to Bitcoin investors:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/08/bitcoin-is-dangerous-and-akin-to-tulip-bulb-mania-stefan-ingves-says.html
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December 9, 2017 6:30pm
- realityczech
  
  Of course a banker would say that Jacksie. We all know who controls banking don’t we Jacksie ?
  
  Great story about the Tulip bulb mania of the 1600’s
  
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  December 9, 2017 6:40pm
  - Jack5
    
    But who is running the cryptocurrencies, KeaRZ, old bird?
    
    No-one. No-one runs bubbles, and that’s one reason why they pop.
    
    When BitCoin explodes it will be a bang in a series of explosions. These crypto-currencies are what the smitten call “silver to Bitcoin’s gold”: Litecoin, Ethereum, Zcash, Dash, Ripple, and Monero.
    
    NZ crypto currency brokers have set up on line, and from tomorrow (US time) a firm in Chicago, the home of world futures trading, will offer futures contracts on Bitcoin. The big exchange, CME Group, says it plans to create futures contracts on Bitcoin, and another exchange, CBOE, says it will, too.
    
    The bubble-pop will collapse the miners’ market for PC graphics cards, and we’ll be able to hot up our desktop PCs for a song.
    
    In the meantime, if the old Douglas Credit – Social Credit – mob were still around they would be in a state of super excitement. Money is being created as we speak, but not by the banksters.
    
    https://qz.com/1149861/bitcoin-futures-akuna-capital-could-be-the-first-to-trade-cboes-new-cryptocurrency-derivative/
    
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    December 9, 2017 7:59pm
    - Jack5
      
      A professional investor explains why he thinks Bitcoin isn’t a currency:
      
      https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/07/kevin-oleary-bitcoin-is-an-asset-not-a-currency.html?recirc=taboolainternal
      
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      December 9, 2017 8:43pm
      - GazzaW
        
        There’s nothing new here. Think the Dutch Tulip Market Bubble of 1634 and the Great South Sea Bubble of 1720. Both entirely different markets but the same inevitable outcome for those investing longterm in the Great Bitcoin Bubble of 2017.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:06pm
      - Jack5
        
        Allister Heath writes in the Telegraph (behind the pay-wall) that any Bitcoin collapse won’t have a devastating economic impact. His article includes this:
        
        The total value of all gold is about $US8 trillion, for example. The value of Apple is about $US900bn. As Capital Economics points out, even if the price of Bitcoin were to collapse to zero – and nobody is predicting this – the losses would be equivalent to a 0.6 per cent fall in US equity prices.
        
        In the overall scheme of things, few other than those directly invested would even notice – the US equity markets bounce up and down by more than that every day. But the losses would be highly concentrated, and tens of thousands of people would be ruined and some businesses destroyed. The psychological impact would be great but the systemic and macro hit still pretty small.
        
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        December 9, 2017 9:23pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  It was so called “conspiracy theorist” Wikiwhiris Business who was the first to tip bitcoin on Kiwiblog.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/02/general_debate_3_february_2014.html/comment-page-2#comment-1270600
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/11/assertion_as_fact.html#comment-1238648
  
  Makes you wonder what else those “conspiracy theorists” are right about❗
  
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  December 9, 2017 8:59pm
nasska

The systemic evil within the Catholic church defies understanding. A young priest in the USA killed a 25yo woman who went to him for confession. “An autopsy would later determine she had been beaten, suffocated, and raped while unconscious.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/99698821/she-went-to-confession-in-1960-and-vanished-the-priest-was-her-killer

So far nothing too much out of the ordinary for an organisation that insists on young priests practising unnatural celibacy BUT the subsequent police investigation into her death was stymied & hindered at every point by the venal & corrupt church.

….”prosecutors allege the district attorney and church leaders cut a deal to stop the investigation, to protect the reputation of the church”….

AND

….”The letter, sent between clergy officials in October 1960, expressed concerns that if a priest was charged in Garza’s death, Kennedy’s presidential campaign and the re-election chances of the local Catholic sheriff would be at stake.”…..

Bad enough that the wretched Church protects & defends child raping priests but now we learn that even the taking of a young woman’s life is considered collateral damage should it bring well deserved scorn & rejection of the pitiful arseholes.

How anyone, however deluded & warped by a belief in the supernatural, can play along with such behaviour beats me.
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December 9, 2017 7:29pm
- realityczech
  
  nasska are you sure about this, a priest raping a woman ?
  
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  December 9, 2017 7:35pm
  - nasska
    
    Yes, I realise that it sounds a little strange but don’t forget that this happened in 1960 before the sick bastards turned their attention to young boys whose Godaddled parents wouldn’t shop them.
    
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    December 9, 2017 7:39pm
    - realityczech
      
      I think the time has come to put all Catholics on a publicly accessible sex offender register. It should also be a legal requirement they declare their membership of the cult when applying for jobs. This can not carry on.
      
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      December 9, 2017 7:42pm
      - nasska
        
        It will carry on RC. The only question is how many of the faithful will lose their lives, sanity & spincteral integrity to the corrupt servants of the imaginary deity.
        
        For anything constructive to happen would require the Godaddled to mature & realise that they & they alone are responsible for their & their children’s well-being.
        
        But it’s easier to kneel, raise your head to the sky, close thine eyes & mutter chants to that which doesn’t exist.
        
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Useful idiots:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/italys-left-rallies-warn-danger-fascism-comeback-134012300.html
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