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EAD_TWO

So after the MSM globally slams Trump for tweeting “fake news” and that assailant from the video was actually “Dutch” – the full picture quietly comes out (if ya can read between the lines)…..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/99423757/donald-trumps-antimuslim-video-retweets-spark-diplomatic-incident

On Wednesday (Thursday NZT), the Dutch embassy in the US responded via a tweet saying: “@realDonaldTrump Facts do matter. The perpetrator of the violent act in this video was born and raised in the Netherlands. He received and completed his sentence under Dutch law

This is MSM obfuscation at its best. It’s exactly what they did when a coal black man stabbed to death a woman in Russell Square, London last year was described as a “Norwegian man”.

A mouse born in a stable is not a horse.
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December 2, 2017 8:02am
- KevOB
  
  Let’s ignore US politics–we have our own crisis to deal with. The Aussies may have decided to remove Taxinda.
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I fail to see why that is a crisis unless the replacement is the Green Parrot candidate
    
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    December 2, 2017 8:10am
    - KevOB
      
      The crisis is the incompetence of this new bunch of govenors and how do we remedy that.
      
      Someone else put it succinctly: “They can’t count to 100 how can we trust them with $60 billion?”
      
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      December 2, 2017 10:26am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Too late, already allocated and looking for more. 14 December is Robbo’s mini-budget. Lock up your wallets, he’s coming a-knocking for higher tax payments from us “rich pricks”
        
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        December 2, 2017 11:46am
  - Brito
    
    What??? Don’t fill me with hope. They’re invading???
    
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    December 2, 2017 8:24am
- Ross12
  
  But the MSM had nothing to say about the other two videos –obviously nothing inaccurate about them.
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:08am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Indeed,
    
    Trumps played a blinder here as it shows up the MSM for what it is
    
    Politicians & the MSM have been going ballistic lecturing us that it’s wrong to share “far-right” posts but absolutely zero discussion whatsoever as to the content of those posts.
    
    They literally just don’t want you to know this is what these third worlders do to Europeans.
    
    This summarised exchange shows how Trump is playing 4D chess with them:
    
    Trump: “Deal with the extremist Islam problem in the UK”
    
    UK Media “Nonsense, you fascist, stop spreading hate”
    
    MI5: “We have around 30,000 Islamist extremists in the UK, with around 4,000 on terror watch lists”
    
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    December 2, 2017 8:20am
- itstricky
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  
  A mouse born in a stable is not a horse.
  
  So you’re not a Kiwi, then?
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:12am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    EAD is always confusing ideology with ethnicity (and in the horse/mouse example even with species).
    
    EAD: a human born in another country is also a human. A human born with more melanin is just as human as one with less (and more protected from NZ’s high UV).
    
    Surely you’ve seen some totally white and many-generation British islamists shouting their slogans?
    
    If you make the islamism issue about ethnicity, you’re playing completely into the hands of SJWs who would love to shut sites like this down for ‘hate speech’.
    
    Also, it seems that in that particular video the perp wasn’t even muslim. Trump really did misuse that video if his (valid) point was ‘islamism threatens the West’.
    
    The other two videos seem to genuinely show islamist damage and violence.
    
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    December 2, 2017 3:32pm
Paulus Gnome

This from WO about Golly G was interesting reading I thought, not so the comments but the general trust

An example in supreme hypocrisy

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/12/social-media-comes-back-haunt/#more-349069
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December 2, 2017 8:09am
- RalphT
  
  PG, I hope you mean general thrust, not general trust. When it comes to GG surely there can be no trust?
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:54am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Spell check, failing eyesight, fat fingers, all the usual suspects.
    
    Thrust is better than trust in that context, thank you
    
    I am an ex aircraft fitter and know that the difference between trust and thrust is the parachute
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:21am
Jimmy

Labour are about to gut the NZDF.

When National announced $20bn of much overdue, much needed funding to replace our 51 year old Orions, Hercules, out of date frigates and desperately out of date NZDF infrastructure, Labour immediately said they’d use it to cure child poverty and homelessness instead: http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/03/lloyd-burr-labour-greens-will-decimate-the-defence-force.html

Now they are claiming that there is a $20bn hole in the books (despite their own $11bn hole): https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/345027/govt-accuses-national-of-leaving-20bn-hole

And now they are even more pointedly promising that certain government spending programs might have to go without (http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/12/finance-minister-says-there-may-be-spending-cuts.html). You better believe it won’t be Labour’s promised spending programs that will be cut!

Just what exactly is our NZDF going to use? They have been underfunded for decades, now they have Grant Robertson about to completely gut them! God help our Defence Force, they certainly aren’t being helped by Labour / NZ First.
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December 2, 2017 8:10am
- VicParking
  
  Send in Ron Mark, with a wrench in on hand and a ladle in the other, he will defend us from the invading Japanese whalers and those North Korean missiles.
  But dont forget when the Lsbour party get elected in Australia all will be good because the good old Aussies will be there for us.
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:34am
  - Jack5
    
    Vic, what is the connection to a ladle? Are you saying Mark was a cook in the army. I think the truth is he joined the Regular Force as a cadet when they took kids in at about age 16, and taught them trades. His was a mechanic, which is an honest way to earn your bread, and no I’m not one.
    
    What the fuck is it with you guys who look down your noses at someone for having been a mechanic in the Army?
    
    I don’t care much for Mark’s politics at the moment, but I think it’s a bit rough attacking a man for his service in the armed forces.
    
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    December 2, 2017 8:40am
    - Jack5
      
      I’ve got to ashamedly admit, however, that had Mark been a PR in the Army, I would be giving him a hard time about that.
      
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      December 2, 2017 8:46am
    - Jimmy
      
      It’s especially rich when it comes from people who have had a very privileged upbringing with no service in the armed forces themselves.
      
      National (especially Gerry Brownlee) did themselves no favours with anyone in the NZDF with their constant sneering attacks on Ron Mark – they falsely called him a cook when you are right he was a mechanic. But everyone in NZ Army is a soldier first.
      
      Having said that, Ron Mark does himself no favours by letting it be said / reported / insinuated that he was a combat corps officer or even a Special Forces officer. He once wrote an NZ Herald column where they described him as a “combat veteran and peacemaker in the Middle East”!
      
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      December 2, 2017 8:49am
      - Jack5
        
        I agree with you, Jimmy, and Mark’s been a bit too ready to flash his service medals.
        
        It’s interesting that Gerry Brownlee, a tradie himself, should sneer at Mark’s trade.
        
        Relevant to snobbiness and trades is the report in the Hooerald today claiming that completing an apprenticeship can return you as much cash over a lifetime as a degree does.
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11951069
        
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        December 2, 2017 8:59am
      - lifesgood
        
        That is exactly the point. I don’t look down my nose at anyone who serves their country in any field but I do look down my nose at anyone who embellishes their service to make themselves seem more important than they are and who wear medals they are not entitled to. I think you’ll find that is why people comment about what he did in the army. No different from this so called “refugee” in the Green Party.
        
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        December 2, 2017 9:41am
      - GazzaW
        
        As an Air Force brat I totally agree with your sentiments Jimmy but Ron Mark brought it upon himself by embellishing his Army career into something that it patently wasn’t.
        
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        December 2, 2017 10:28am
      - Jack5
        
        GazzaW, at least one other poster here has stated that Mark claimed he had been in the SAS.
        
        I’ve been unable to find this on the Net. Can you nail this?
        
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        December 2, 2017 10:40am
      - GazzaW
        
        I have heard also that Mark made that claim and that he did in fact try out unsuccessfully for the SAS. To have failed that rigorous test is no shame by the way. I seem to recall reading that on Whaleoil.
        
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        December 2, 2017 11:16am
      - RF
        
        Stolen valour…
        
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        December 2, 2017 7:39pm
    - The Virgin
      
      I was in the NZ Army and served with Ron Mark ( he was a Captain) at 3 Field Workshops (RNZEME) at Burnham. He was well liked and respected, served a stint with the Sultan of Oman”s Army and has always supported the NZ Defence Forces.
      To have failed in the NZSAS selection course is no shame; it’s one of the most rigerous in the world and few achieve being “badged”.
      
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      December 2, 2017 11:58am
      - realityczech
        
        Bar Girl, the problem here is – Winston Derangement Syndrome. They will stoop to any level to try and discredit anything associated with Winston.
        
        By all accounts Mark was a capable and well liked government servant during his service in the military. He also has practical skills of use during war and peace. Just as the darling of Mark’s detractors, Bill English, can shear a sheep and put up a fence. Oh and Jacinda can wrap chips…
        
        I have no time for the snobs who think this limits them in politics.
        
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        December 2, 2017 12:07pm
  - Jimmy
    
    Australian Labor are surprisingly very pro defence – and they are sick to death of NZ “bludging of Australian defence funding”.
    
    It’s funny talking to Australians about this. Liberal Party supporters understand why we are so slack on defence spending (doesn’t stop them being frustrated with us), but Labor party insiders are out of patience with us.
    
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    December 2, 2017 8:45am
    - Jack5
      
      Too many of us in NZ think we’re somehow safe because we’re so far away from other countries.
      
      This was reflected in World War 2, when the Aussies brought their troops back from the Middle East to fight in Papua New Guinea then further north, while we left our battle-hardened veterans to fight on in Italy.
      
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      December 2, 2017 9:01am
      - Jimmy
        
        Too many of us think that it is immoral to use violence to defeat evil.
        
        Just look at the caterwauling that accompanied the deployment of trainers to Iraq to defeat one of the most evil ideologies the world has ever seen!
        
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        December 2, 2017 9:16am
- Surely Knott
  
  And the NZDF may need to be more empowered , especially given we have pissed of the aussies who are telling us after the Manus debacle, that we need to pull our heads in as we haven’t been contributing to defence budgets and they’ve been protecting our borders in regard to boat people /refugees.asylum seekers etc.
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:43am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    That will be the royal ‘we’ as is it now plain to see that ALL New Zealander’s are about to suffer from the third form mentality Prime Minister ‘Captains call’ on the Manus Island fakeugees.
    
    #winniesglovepuppet
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:31am
- waikatogirl
  
  I saw a clip of Ron Mark visiting a frigate recently. He was presented with a navy cap inscribed with “MINI DEF” on it. He smiled as he accepted.
  
  Is it wise to give a very short politican a cap with the description “MINI” without expecting a backlash? ?
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:06am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Miniature defective?
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:12am
Manolo

This ancient liberal will die on the job. Guaranteed:
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/wildfail-pelosi-suffers-face-spasms-brain-freezes-flubbed-words-attack-gop-tax-plan/

The House Minority Leader held her weekly press conference, and while the media focused on her call for accused serial harasser John Conyers, they overlooked her frequent flubbed words, brain freezes, and face spasm that occurred seconds into the appearance.
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December 2, 2017 8:12am
Happychappy

Has Winston First started court proceedings yet against our Race Relations Commissioner and a well known Sports Journalist for telling the truth or can’t he dream up a decent lie to have his cult believe him.
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December 2, 2017 8:16am
- Jack5
  
  Peters is a blowhard, but when he’s in any row with Dame Devoid, the worst political appointment in NZ’s history, I know who I will cheer for.
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:50am
  - Happychappy
    
    Jack I expected that answer from you but his comment was when the race commissioner was a squash player and a very good one at that, so it is a bit rich coming from you when you just said the opposite in voicing your support for Ron Mark.
    
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    December 2, 2017 8:57am
    - Jack5
      
      Devoid is as thick as a brick. I accept you must need some physical skills to be good at squash or exceedingly good at it as Devoid was, but obviously it’s not chess.
      
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      December 2, 2017 9:05am
      - flipper
        
        I know Devoid well, she is from the wrong side of the rail tracks in Rotorua, and she is anything but an intellectual giant. That does not matter because it is the staff that prepares her comments and tells her when to bark.
        She is a former, many times world female squash champion, but as thick as two short planks. That said, let us remember (and compare her with) the achievements of the craped-out bullshit king now acting as Deputy Prime Minister and liar in chief. Anyone giving that prick respect is a serious mental case. But that is our MSM…..
        
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        December 2, 2017 11:58am
      - Jack5
        
        That’s interesting, Flipper. Devoid would have inherited her staff from Joris de Bres, a Marxist and an ardent multiculturist.
        
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        December 2, 2017 1:07pm
  - VicParking
    
    Walking frames at five metres. My bet is on susan as Winny wont be able to work out how to disengage the brake.
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:12am
- krazykiwi
  
  While the Herald reported the Winston ‘aghast’ at Devoy’s claim of weight criticism, in truth, the only this he’s aghast at is the lack of media attention on him.
  
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  December 2, 2017 11:26am
oldpark

NZ s Political embarrassment a guy called Peters is once more caught in the headlights of obsfucation.
When challenged over his now personal and said to be very upsetting derogarty comments regarding Susan Devoy.
He seemed to remember that at that time his quip to her was “Fit” not “Fat”.
Difference was his lying was exposed again. By the well known and respected Sports writer Phil Gifford.
In an interview with Larry Williams,Peters referred to Phil as loosehead Len.
As usual the “pest” for all seasons and reasons Peters was attacking the person and not what he was heard to say.
Interesting he could recall someting word for word that happened thirty years ago.Yet just a few years ago he couldn’t remember the $100,000 Donation he got from Owen Glenn.
Also the “pest” at that time produced a huge sign with the word NO! on it.Which was later confirmed he was a manifest liar .
With the denial of his comments against Susan Devoy,will he once more ressurect the huge NO! Sign denying the truth which he was heard to say regarding at that time a top performing and very popular NZ athlete.
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December 2, 2017 8:17am
- Nookin
  
  While not disagreeing with the general thrust of your comments, I do not think referring to Phil Gifford as Loosehead Len is an attack on Phill personally. Loose head Len was, after all, his popular nomme de plume.
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:27am
  - oldpark
    
    Yet the inference in the interview was Phil Giffords comments were “questionable”, as as you point out he was known as “Loosehead” Len.By now unless someone has just arrived in NZ, or are a Peters supporter of him,like see no evil, speak no evil, or hear no evil. Peters way of life and existence is daily controlled by his obsfucation of the truth,in many ,many ,many situations and circumstances.
    
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    December 2, 2017 8:42am
    - Nookin
      
      Again, I do not disagree with you. I did not listen to Peters’ comments so it is possible that I misinterpreted your point. I thought for a minute that you may not have been aware of Gifford’s background. Sorry if I was wrong.
      
      There is nothing we can do about the dedicated Peters’ supporters. They are more of an impassioned cult rather than discerning followers. For those arriving in NZ and who are trying to tell when to take him seriously, I have developed an almost fail-proof test of determining whether Peters is engaging in his unique brand of hogwash, obfuscation or deceit.
      If his lips are moving, I tune to another channel.
      
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      December 2, 2017 8:56am
      - flipper
        
        Brilliant! 🙂
        
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        December 2, 2017 9:19am
      - oldpark
        
        Thank you for your comments, go well . Wouldn’t it be the eigth wonder of the world if Peters could just for once give us all a wee sprinkling of humilty.Sadly he must get an awful lot of vinegar on his food when he eats,or maybe its even stronger than vinegar.
        
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        December 2, 2017 9:26am
VicParking

Our Lizzie Marvelly is now an expert on the Americas Cup. In the failing newspaper she tells the syndicate to “pull its head in” with its demands for a hosting fee.
The cup its turning into a disaster, with a bumbling flipflop government and a ‘can’t be trusted’ Mayor, who between them, want to turn the whole thing into a second rate side show rather than a showpiece for Auckland and NZ. The last thing we need is the MSM to get involved. Even if it is a lightweight like our Lizzie.
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December 2, 2017 8:23am
- Harkman
  
  Guess what rhymes with Lizzie?
  
  Dizzy!
  
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  December 2, 2017 10:42am
- flipper
  
  Well, in defence of that idiot, she is at least more attractive, physically, than Mr No. Sadly I cannot discern any intellectual difference between Marvelly and Peters.
  
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  December 2, 2017 12:08pm
- Jack5
  
  It’s not over until the Fat Head sings.
  
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  December 2, 2017 1:08pm
Ross12

The MSM are in a flap about Flynn being charged by Mueller as if this is the BIG DEAL.
This is what the it is about.

“CNBC reported:

Specifically, Flynn is accused of falsely claiming that he had not asked Russia’s ambassador to the United States last Dec. 29 “to refrain from escalating the situation in response to sanctions that the United States had imposed against Russia that same day.”

Flynn also allegedly lied by telling the FBI “he did not recall the Russian Ambassador subsequently telling him that Russia had chosen to moderate its response to those sanctions as a result of his request,” the information says. ”

This was after the election so nothing to do with so called collusion to affect the election.
Technically, I suppose, they are right in that he lied but it really is “kindergarten” stuff.
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December 2, 2017 8:24am
- Milhous
  
  Somehow I don’t think that’s all they have in Flynn…..or all he has given them.
  
  “Kindergarten stuff”..is wishful thinking
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:03am
- flipper
  
  Yeaah…
  And it simply confirms how bullshit oriented they have become.
  Flynn was fired for lying to Pence.
  No matter what Flynn now says, his testimony if any, will not be worth anything more than old weasel pee.
  Much-a-do about old news
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:25am
  - virtualmark
    
    That sounds like a coping mechanism rather than a legal strategy.
    
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    December 2, 2017 11:38am
  - RF
    
    So Flynn gets shafted and Crooked Hillary survives to thumb her nose at the FBI.
    
    I know who I would like to be locked up…..
    
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    December 2, 2017 7:48pm
- virtualmark
  
  You need to step back and take in the wider perspective.
  
  Clearly Flynn has flipped and is now helping Mueller’s special investigation. He has promised “full cooperation”.
  
  This indictment/charge is clearly part of a deal. It’s enough of a marker to hold him with, and easy enough to dismiss if Flynn plays his part.
  
  Clearly Mueller would only offer a deal like this if he thought it gave him an extremely strong case with the next soldier up the chain (Kushner?).
  
  Papadopoulos. Manafort. Flynn. This is how a net tightens.
  
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  December 2, 2017 11:28am
  - flipper
    
    Rubbish extensor, extensor, ad fin… in short, a large dump of bollocks.
    Flynn did nothing illegal apart from telling porkies (and or misleading) the Fibbies…..
    
    Manafort, that other fellow, and now Flynn…. bait fish in search of non -existent big game fish.
    
    BTW … Alan Dershowitz, a longtime Democrat who voted for the Clinton wench, says Flynn is now a totally discredited and useless source or witness. ” The Dersh” is, perhaps, the foremost legal academic in the US. And a very good analyst.
    
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    December 2, 2017 12:21pm
    - virtualmark
      
      You keep telling yourself that.
      
      Meanwhile … Flynn has plead guilty to lying to the FBI. 5 years in the big house with Bubba. That’s enough of a card for Mueller to use for now.
      
      Meanwhile … Flynn is done to rights on not registering as an agent of a foreign country (Russia, Turkey), of inaccurate disclosures on his national security documents, of the Logan Act etc etc etc.
      
      If you really think Flynn is in the clear then why has he flipped and done a deal with Mueller? Reality is that Flynn must have known he was done stone cold, or else he wouldn’t have taken the deal.
      
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      December 2, 2017 2:00pm
Milhous

“Lock Flynn up….Lock Flynn up!”….ironic much?
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December 2, 2017 8:26am
- VicParking
  
  “In like flynn”. This is typical American. Plead to a lessor charge and turn states evidence on Trump.
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:20am
  - Milhous
    
    In reality the evidence that Flynn has turned must be very incriminating for Trump. Mueller has dropped much bigger charges re Undeclared Turkish and Russian illegal business deals against him.
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:41am
    - tom hunter
      
      In reality the evidence that Flynn has turned must be very incriminating for Trump.
      
      Uh huh! Here’s some words from a former Federal prosecutor, someone who has worked closely with the FBI and who has prosecuted cases from beginning to end, Andrew McCarthy (I highly recommend his book, Wilful Blindness on the prosecution and conviction of The Blind Sheik) – in short, someone who knows what he’s talking about when it comes to guilty pleas and witness cooperation:
      
      [W]hen a prosecutor has a cooperator who was an accomplice in a major criminal scheme, the cooperator is made to plead guilty to the scheme.
      
      This is critical because it proves the existence of the scheme. In his guilty-plea allocution (the part of a plea proceeding in which the defendant admits what he did that makes him guilty), the accomplice explains the scheme and the actions taken by himself and his co-conspirators to carry it out. This goes a long way toward proving the case against all of the subjects of the investigation.
      
      That is not happening in Flynn’s situation. Instead, like Papadopoulos, he is being permitted to plead guilty to a mere process crime. A breaking report from ABC News indicates that Flynn is prepared to testify that Trump directed him to make contact with the Russians — initially to lay the groundwork for mutual efforts against ISIS in Syria.
      
      That, however, is exactly the sort of thing the incoming national-security adviser is supposed to do in a transition phase between administrations. If it were part of the basis for a “collusion” case arising out of Russia’s election meddling, then Flynn would not be pleading guilty to a process crime — he’d be pleading guilty to an espionage conspiracy.
      
      I recall the MSM being equally excited about Papadopolis’s plea too – and that’s been a nothingburger. So goes the modern MSM insanity.
      
      Scooter Libby all over again.
      
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      December 2, 2017 10:46am
  - flipper
    
    But what credible evidence could Flynn give?
    a. All this was after the election, and
    b. It is nothing more than a self justifying action on the part of the Mueller mob.
    Time to read Alan Dershowitz on the reality of Flynn.
    Sad end to a servant of his country…. but his pockets are small, very small. Mueller ‘s pockets are wide and deep. But they are not his so why would he worry about costs.
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:52am
    - Milhous
      
      He can give evidence that there was contact between the campaign and Russian agents during the campaign …
      
      He can also give evidence re obstruction of justice , with respect to Comeys dismissal .
      
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      December 2, 2017 10:01am
Nukuleka

The MSM- Red Radio leading the NZ pack- are rubbing their hands gloatingly and in glee at the news that Michael Flynn is reported to be about to testify against Trump in the Russian collusion scenario.

The jury remains out with me until we see just what the evidence is and whether Flynn is able to finger Trump personally.

However, the most interesting and unsurprising thing is the way that the MSM are so pleased with themselves and display their utter lack of objectivity in their reporting of the situation. Naked hatred. At last the MSM feel they’ve got him!! We’ll see.
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December 2, 2017 8:29am
- Milhous
  
  They hate him because he is a malignant narcissist. Simple really .
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:37am
  - Nukuleka
    
    So you agree that the MSM do not have an objective view of Trump and that they are fuelled entirely by bias and hatred. Thanks for confirming my opinion, I appreciate it.
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:26am
    - Milhous
      
      No. Their analysis is not biased . It is largely correct. Trump has clearly demonstrated he is incompetent , malignant and unstable .
      
      All the media does is report his inane inchorent ramblings. It’s dishonest to try to portray him as anything but a weapons grade fool.
      
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      December 2, 2017 9:46am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Hear hear well said. I would consider myself generally on the right on most things and even more on the right in a few areas, so I’m not (in my own view) a flaky SJW socialist…. but my opinion of the man is that he’s an arrogant lying incompetent self promoting braggart.
        
        America is in real trouble and with every passing week it gets worse, frankly.
        
        The MSM are attacking him, sure. But they attacked his predecessors too, because that’s the nature of the game, for those in government to be scrutinised and criticised by the press.
        
        To appreciate the real Trump you only have to hear all his open lies and read his tweets. The man’s an idiot.
        
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        December 2, 2017 10:17am
      - tom hunter
        
        he is incompetent , malignant and unstable…
        …a weapons grade fool.
        … an arrogant lying incompetent self promoting braggart.
        
        Given the scathing comments I made about Trump on this blog through 2015-16, I don’t think I can be taken as a fan.
        
        But frankly – and as per DPF’s thread yesterday – Trump’s administration has actually performed a lot better than I expected in many areas. Frankly it’s been the GOP in the House and Senate that has been a real letdown.
        
        The “fool” bit I always find amusing. Nobody doubted that Obama was smart and well-educated – and he sounded it. But in area after area he revealed himself to be a fool, despite the erudite manner in which he proclaimed the foolishness.
        
        Even in a situation as seemingly hopeless as North Korea, I appreciate Trump’s different approach, and have little time for the expert diplomats who have merely counselled an endless repitition of the failures of the previous twenty years.
        
        As the NRO article yesterday revealed (and NRO was the one that devoted an entire edition to rejecting Trump as the GOP nominee) – there’s a big difference between Trump Tweetworld and Trump Administration in practice.
        
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        December 2, 2017 10:29am
      - virtualmark
        
        tom hunter,
        
        A thought for you about North Korea …
        
        One major way Obama ruined his reputation was with the endless “redlines” in Syria. The reality was that each time a redline was crossed the equation was still the same … it’s not an important enough issue to put lots of US lives at risk.
        
        Trump and North Korea is the same dynamic. There’s no winning play for the US. But every “rocket man” “short and fat” “daddy’s boy” tweet is just like Obama’s redlines. Eventually Trump will have to play his cards or fold. I wager the world will be better off if he folds. But if he does his credibility takes another dent.
        
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        December 2, 2017 11:34am
  - tom hunter
    
    I don’t detect much more hatred than they directed at GW Bush – or your namesake for that matter. It may seem worse because of the modern 24-hour social media world, and Trump’s use of it to constantly attack the media (and their automatic response).
    
    But frankly the US MSM have stuck it to every Republican president for forty years now. They have only two stereotypes for a GOP politician: stupid (GW, Reagan) or evil (Nixon, Cheney).
    
    I do like the phrase “malignant narcissist” though: given recent revelations about various “famous” journolists in the US, perhaps they hated what they saw in the mirror.
    
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    December 2, 2017 10:20am
    - Milhous
      
      His administration has achieved precious little.
      
      Incompetent…..he has no idea with respect to healthcare policy…” who knew it could be so complicated”
      
      Malignant . His poorly phrased musings on Charlottesville were incredibly divisive and unbecoming of a nations keader.
      
      In the hours and hours of media coverage over the past 3 years, his thinking is frequently contradictory , incoherent and often mendacious. He rarely if ever articulated a well thought out concept . He frequently acts in an embarrassing and gauche way…..to me this is the archetypal fool.
      
      This isn’t bias. I am a right winger . I detest the politics of Clinton …..it’s just that this guy is a douche, I can’t engage the cognitive dissonance to see it any other way.
      
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      December 2, 2017 11:03am
      - tom hunter
        
        His administration has achieved precious little.
        
        The WSJ does not agree (link is to a different site due to WSJ paywall):
        
        The record so far has been radically different. With some exceptions (such as business as usual on ethanol), and putting aside a few heavy-handed tweets (such as raising the idea of revoking broadcast licenses from purveyors of “fake news”), President Trump has proved to be a full-spectrum deregulator. His administration has been punctilious about the institutional prerogatives of Congress and the courts. Today there is a serious prospect of restoring the constitutional status quo ante and reversing what seemed to be an inexorable regulatory expansion. Consider three leading indicators.
        
        It goes on to discuss his appointment of regulatory chiefs, turning back from the unilateral law-making of Obama (and Bush), and introducing regulatory budgeting, which might be a revolution if it can be embedded.
        
        I would think any Right-winger worthy of the name would be cheering this on?
        
        he has no idea with respect to healthcare policy…
        
        True. I laughed at his campaign statements and as President it’s been no better. Mind you, the wonks in Congress have done nothing either. So much for smarts and knowledge.
        
        His poorly phrased musings on Charlottesville were incredibly divisive…
        
        His comments on the Nazi groups pissed me off – but he at least also stuck it to Antifa and forced the MSM to start questioning them as well. I’m always wary of people pronouncing that a GOP President is “divisive” as I’ve heard it so often from Democrats that it’s a mantra. Somehow Antifa are not “divisive” and Obama was not “divisive” when talking about “typical white people” or likening the GOP objectors to the Iran deal as being the same as terrorists – or was that the Givernment shutdown? 🙂 – it all blends together.
        
        On that last, Trump did exactly what a lot of his voters wanted him to do: stuffed the Democrat/MSM meme that it’s all down to the GOP and ….. Nazis.
        
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        December 2, 2017 11:33am
  - Fletch
    
    They hate him because he stands against every liberal thing they stand for – abortion, illegal immigration, trans rights stuff, calling militant Islam for what it is, etc. They would have hated him even if he’d had the personality of a modern Reagan.
    
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    December 2, 2017 10:54am
- All_on_Red
  
  They refer to a senior member of the transition team.
  Rumours point to Kushner
  During transition they can talk to anyone- and before actually.
  It isn’t a crime
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:43am
- flipper
  
  See comments above …… and ….
  
  Red Radio would not know what it is talking about.
  
  Flynn has pleaded guilty to lying. Ask what his credibility is now. Any defence attorney would rub his hands in glee.
  This matter has become Four Act comedy. The MSM is now established as the best Court Jester seen for the past 150 years.
  
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  December 2, 2017 10:00am
Sofia

As mentioned yesterday, prompted by someone else’s comment, I had wondered “If New Zealand receives such adamant opprobrium from tabling Resolution 2334 in the UN Security Council, and it passing, what the hell could have been in Egypt’s draft, which was even more emphatically rejected (by Netanyahu and Trump) and withdrawn?”

I have compared both texts, but another kiwiblog commentor yesterday summed it up …
Copying each document to Pages (Mac) for word counts:
Text of Egyptian-draft … 933 words
New Zealand resolution … 946 words
difference: 13 paragraph numbers, added to the New Zealand version.

So New Zealand’s Resolution 2334 (December 24, 2016) in fact is word-for-word a copy of the Egyptian-drafted resolution scheduled for vote at the UN Security Council on December 22, 2016
So if someone stumbles on a truth such as this, what happens then?

Just a couple of little matters …
1 – The two dozen legal experts recently meeting at The Hague and denouncing the resolution are still
• right to damn the content: that it did not “adequately take into account the legal, historical, political and military complexities of these territories and peoples”
• right to criticise New Zealand for tabling it to facilitate its passing, but
• wrong that New Zealand wrote it. That was Egypt with the help of the UK and approval of the Palestinians.

2 – What diplomatic rules has New Zealand broken (besides, probably, international law on plagiarisation) taking the sovereign state of Egypt’s material which they had withdrawn, but now could reflect on that nation the opprobrium they obviously had withdrawn it to avoid?

3 – What should new New Zealand Foreign Minister Winston Peters now do with this mess?

There’s more implications, but these could be answered for a start?
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December 2, 2017 8:29am
- Brito
  
  Juicy!!! There is more to uncover here. I think I smell a decaying political career.
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:31am
  - Sofia
    
    Here, Brito, as you said it, was more.
    
    This morning …
    151 UN STATES VOTE TO DISAVOW ISRAELI TIES TO JERUSALEM
    – Jerusalem Post, December 1 http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/UN-disavows-Israeli-ties-to-Jerusalem-515730?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
    
    New Zealand is one of then. Happened on Winston’s “watch”
    
    Labour-NZ First coalition agreement –
    • Record a Cabinet minute regarding the lack of process followed prior to the National-led government sponsorship of UNSC2334, concerning the Israeli settlements in Palestinian territories occupied since 1967
    
    Absolute fucking waste of words unless Winston instructs his staff that McCully is no longer in charge.
    Fooling ’round’ with Susan Devoy and changing the font size of the typeface used in the Secret Coalition Agreement, are surely not more important.
    
    But Winston will not be devoid of opportunities –
    The UN General Assembly is expected to approve another ten anti-Israel resolutions by the end of the year.
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:09am
- Kimbo
  
  @ Sofia
  
  Just a couple of little matters …
  1 – The two dozen legal experts recently meeting at The Hague and denouncing the resolution are still
  • right to damn the content: that it did not “adequately take into account the legal, historical, political and military complexities of these territories and peoples”
  • right to criticise New Zealand for tabling it to facilitate its passing, but
  • wrong that New Zealand wrote it. That was Egypt with the help of the UK and approval of the Palestinians.
  
  Pfft. More to the point, seeing we are in a week of Golriz Ghahraman style less-that-truthfulness when it comes to professional legal activities, it is interesting that neither you, nor Whale Oil who posted yesterday about those “two dozen legal experts”, the Hague Initiative for International Cooperation (Thinc) and the International Conference for Truth, Justice, and Peace (ICTIP):
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/12/international-legal-experts-denounce-murray-mccullys-unsc-2334-resolution/
  
  …mentioned that they are Zionist shills that exist solely for the purpose of putting Israel’s case in international forums.
  
  http://www.thinc.info/
  
  http://ictip.org/
  
  I have no problem with organisations that do that – just as I don’t have a problem with pro-Palestinian legal organisations that do the same…but it is deceitful that their opinion is being reported…without it being revealed who and what they are.
  
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  December 2, 2017 11:10am
  - Sofia
    
    Kimbo, thank you for adding your information.
    Without it, I just assumed they were yet another source of several who have criticised UNSC resolution 2334.
    I hope kiwiblog readers thus form their views of those comments, bearing your evaluation in mind.
    
    I would however suggest that has nothing to do with the fact that New Zealand’s UNSC Resolution 2334 was a direct word-for-word copy of the Egyptian draft which was rejected and then withdrawn.
    With your thoroughness, please check them.
    
    • Text of Egyptian-drafted resolution scheduled for vote at the UN Security Council on December 22, 2016  
    
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-draft-un-security-council-resolution-demanding-israel-cease-all-settlement-activities/
     • Resolution 2334 (2016) – New Zealand. Adopted by UNSC December 24, 2016
    http://www.un.org/webcast/pdfs/SRES2334-2016.pdf
    
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    December 2, 2017 11:31am
    - Kimbo
      
      I would however suggest that has nothing to do with the fact that New Zealand’s UNSC Resolution 2334 was a direct word-for-word copy of the Egyptian draft which was rejected and then withdrawn.
      With your thoroughness, please check them.
      
      Er, why? It’s not like the Egyptians are claiming…breach of copyright! 😉 And so the Egyptians chose to withdraw it for whatever reason…so what? McCully never made any secret of the fact that the opportunity came to assert our long-standing (since 1947!) policy of a two-state solution,
      
      …and while we (and UNSC2334) affirms the right of Israel to occupy the West Bank, perhaps indefinitely if no peace settlement can be reached,
      
      …nonetheless we (rightly IMHO) do not support annexation by conquest, stealth and increment (which is what the current Likud-government policy amounts to)
      
      ….and our government’s position, as also per the wording of UNSC2334, is that any future general Jewish access to Jerusalem and the holy sites of the occupied territories should be based on negotiation and agreement with the Palestinians
      
      …and that continued Jewish settlement hindered that possibility.
      
      Is Jewish settlement the biggest impediment to peace? Likely not. But nonetheless it is a real one, and hence it is one Israel can do something about. All reflected in UNSC2334, which is consistent with our desire for both a Jewish, and a Palestinian Arab state living in peace with one another…west of the Jordan River. Doesn’t matter if the wording originated with the Egyptians, Bolivians, Nigerians or Nepalese…it reflects our long-standing values and position.
      
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      December 2, 2017 2:51pm
  - Brito
    
    Very fair assessment.
    
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    December 2, 2017 2:49pm
Digmen1

As promised yesterday, here are the stats re KB and WO

Alexa Ranking
Trademe 6
Stuff 8
Herald 9
ANZ Bank 14
Whale Oil 322
Kiwi Blog 683

I will present a similar report at the start of each month so we can check progress.
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December 2, 2017 8:31am
- VicParking
  
  People visit WO to laugh, as I do, but visit KB for informative political and social comment. Thats why more comics are purchased than dictionarys.
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:42am
  - G152
    
    KB has the more intelligent monitoring of posters comments.
    And, generally, posters audit themselves…
    WO is all over the place, sadly at one time it was a leader in the NZ Blogsphere.
    But not now..
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:00am
    - Piniwi
      
      True G152 and we always know from the troll count when a nerve has been exposed.
      
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      December 2, 2017 7:01pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    That is actually a mite unfair to WO. There are frequently good posts and videos showing points of view that you won’t find in the MSM. Spanish Bride often posts interesting articles that are not as venomous as her hubby’s. The moderation is strict and that can be irritating as so many of us have been banned at various times (mine is permanent, it seems) but that does also mean that personal attacks and foul language of The Standard and often KB variety don’t get through.
    
    It is simply wrong to dismiss WO out of hand. I rather like the homely, community type of mood that is engendered in the evening posts where there is a genuine sense of familiarity and friendliness.
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:49am
- lifesgood
  
  Excuse me but I have no idea what this ranking means. Please explain. For example is WO getting more hits than KB, ranked better than KB?
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:34am
  - Digmen1
    
    Its merely the number of hits.
    They come from the Alexa Toolbar which you can download and install if you wish.
    
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    December 2, 2017 1:11pm
Nostradamus

Pete George is unimpressed with Kiwiblog:

I had a bit of a look at Kiwiblog yesterday, and many of the comments were clearly substandard. Farrar has always had very lenient moderation but what gets said reflects poorly on Kiwiblog – I think this may become a problem for Farrar, especially with the diving of standards at Whale Oil and the inevitable linking of them and ‘Dirty Politics’.

We should all click on Pete’s good blog commenting link and lift our standards!

How you can add value and enhance good blog discussions, and how to be less bad. Every commenter should read this and take on board some sensible principles of good blog commenting. If we learn from this we will all make our blogs a wee bit better.

On second thoughts, maybe not!
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December 2, 2017 8:36am
- itstricky
  
  You gotta admit… …a known anti Semitic denounces someone’s nationality simply because they don’t “look and sound” as he wants them to, while calling someone else “coal black” and he gets 14 upticks.
  
  That’s a pretty sad reflection on the community.
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:44am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    It’s actually a pretty good reflection of the community.
    
    It shows that people are not cowed by the threat of your use of Pavlovian words (Bigot, racist, fascist, hate, even NAZI) in recognising the objective truth.
    
    And the great thing?
    
    After you’ve used up all your Pavlovian verbal ammo, what have you got left?
    
    Nation (noun) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation
    
    A people, or aggregation of men, existing in the form of an organized jural society, usually inhabiting a distinct portion of the earth, speaking the same language, using the same customs, possessing historic continuity, and distinguished from other like groups by their racial origin and characteristics
    
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    December 2, 2017 10:02am
    - realityczech
      
      I blame the influence of the Inuit on modern Western society. Particularly the Inuit influence in the USA through them holding key positions and powerful well funded lobby groups like; The American Inuit Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC.
      
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      December 2, 2017 10:08am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Those damn Inuits ?
        
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        December 2, 2017 10:34am
      - Jack5
        
        Them Inuits, they be no good. They eats whale, which tastes like beef.
        
        So do the Norwegians and Icelanders and Faroe Islanders and the Japanese, but they don’t push grandma out on the ice for polar bears to eat.
        
        Our Maori didn’t eat whales, because they were too useful to ride between islands.
        
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        December 2, 2017 1:16pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jacksie, they don’t eat pork tho do they ?
        
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        December 2, 2017 1:20pm
      - sam green
        
        “Your” Maori?
        
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        December 2, 2017 4:55pm
      - Jack5
        
        Sam, “our” in the sense of “New Zealand.”
        
        I don’t know whether Cook Island Maori eat whale meat, so was just being careful. Dame Devoid sits on the shoulder of each and every one of us.
        
        I don’t own any Maori. Great grandad sold ours to a social worker cum kiwifruit farmer cum kiwifruit contractor up in the North Island. He was a Sam, too – Sam someone.
        
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        December 2, 2017 7:46pm
  - Brito
    
    Excellent observation. Up tick.
    
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    December 2, 2017 2:51pm
  - realityczech
    
    Itstricky seems to think the secret to a good blog is banning points of view he disagrees with. Maybe he should start his own blog and show us how it is done.
    
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    December 2, 2017 8:36pm
- Manolo
  
  The tosser is still in mourning after his idol Peter Dunne’s political demise and will never recover.
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:54am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Dunne was on with Jim Moria yesterday.
    
    I thought Dunne was a sanctimonious, condescending pompous prig when he was an MP but find that he is the same when in retirement.
    
    I suck up the ads and listen to ZB Larry Williams on the drive home.
    
    Don’t get me started on Campbell!
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:39am
- Swifty
  
  Hasn’t he got anything better to do?
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:05am
  - MCos
    
    If that’s in response to this statement
    ‘I had a bit of a look at Kiwiblog yesterday’
    I do wonder myself if I’d be better off hitting my head with a hammer than read some of the stuff here.
    But you never know what might be round the next corner.
    
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    December 2, 2017 11:57am
- waikatogirl
  
  Morning Pete! ?
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:20am
- holysheet
  
  Poor old Pete George is like Arthur Harley
  
  The inventor of the Harley Davidson Motorcycle Corporation, Arthur Davidson, died and went to heaven. At the gates, St. Peter told Arthur, “Since you’ve been such a good man and your motorcycles have changed the world, your reward is you can hang out with anyone you want in Heaven.” Arthur thought about it for a minute and then said, “I want to hang out with God.” St. Peter took Arthur to the Throne Room, and introduced him to God.
  
  Arthur then asked God, “Hey, aren’t you the inventor of woman?”
  
  God said, “Ah, yes.”
  
  “Well,” said Arthur, “professional to professional, you have some major design flaws in your invention:
  
  There’s too much inconsistency in the front-end protrusion.
  It chatters constantly at high speeds.
  Most of the rear ends are too soft and wobble too much.
  The intake is placed ! way too close to the exhaust.
  And the maintenance costs are outrageous.”
  
  “Hmmmm, you may have some good points there,” replied God, “hold on.” God went to his Celestial super computer, typed in a few words and waited for the results. The computer printed out a slip of paper and God read it.
  
  “Well, it may be true that my invention is flawed,” God said to Arthur, “but according to these numbers, more men are riding my invention than yours.”
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:20am
starboard

Pete George ppfft. Thinks his own shit doesnt stink.?
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December 2, 2017 8:41am
- Brito
  
  Straight to the heart of the matter.
  
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  December 2, 2017 2:52pm
- secondcumming
  
  YawnNZ used to have a few characters commenting there at one stage – until Pete George finally banned everyone who didn’t agree with his views. Now it’s the same half-dozen sycophants that comment on everything he posts. Why anyone would think that continually posting gifs of an eel swimming in a storm-water drain behind their house would be of interest to anyone, is way beyond me.
  
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  December 2, 2017 4:29pm
Inandout

This illegal immigrant mongrel is protected by San Francisco defence counsel that would have made our Golly G proud. What an absolute travesty that such a lovely lady as Kate gets shot by a mongrel who gets a short stay in prison.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/01/trump-calls-kate-steinle-verdict-travesty-justice-demands-border-wall.html
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December 2, 2017 8:42am
- Digmen1
  
  And he had been deported several times already!
  The jury must have been full of sickly white liberals
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:42am
holysheet

Cindy was addressing a group Maori leaders telling them all she plans to do for them as PM. At the end of the meeting the MC gave her a plaque with her honorary Maori name, Tatarapo. After she left someone asked the MC if there is any meaning to that name. He said “A Tatarapo is a bird that is so full of shit, it cannot fly.”
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December 2, 2017 8:44am
- lifesgood
  
  Tall story?
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:31am
- tf78
  
  holysheet
  Is that true or is it wishful thinking. (I hope it’s true so I can pass it on).
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:37am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Get with the programme tf78, nothing has to be based in fact these days, it’s all about the feelz. If it sounds plausible then it must be so. ?
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:44am
    - tf78
      
      Sorry wishing something is true unfortunately for me doesn’t make it so – sometimes the truth has to stand up in a very, very good story such as that. It would be delicious to pass it on.
      
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      December 2, 2017 9:48am
  - holysheet
    
    Yes of course it is true. I heard it on TV.
    
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    December 2, 2017 11:13am
Hugh Pavletich

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Falling Sydney Prices Drive a Slowdown in Australian Property – Bloomberg

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-01/falling-sydney-prices-drive-a-slowdown-in-australian-property

Falling Sydney home prices are driving an Australian property slowdown, risking a further hit to consumer confidence.

Australia’s dwelling prices rose 5.2 percent in the year to November, half the pace of six months earlier, CoreLogic Inc. data showed Friday. In Sydney, which accounts for about a third of the value of housing nationally, prices extended month-on-month declines, the data provider said … read more via hyperlink above …

NEW ZEALAND Property Institute / Curia Poll: Strong support for New Governments policies – Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91121/most-people-think-house-prices-will-decline-or-stay-same-over-next-6-months-and-new

The new government’s housing policies are proving popular with the public, according to a Property Institute survey … read more via hyperlink above …

… Behind paywall … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/

Many Aussie home owners now want prices to fall … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia

By Leith van Onselen In the lead-up to the New Zealand General Election on 23 September, which delivered a change of government, opinion poll after opinion poll ranked housing as the key issue that would decide the election. With Sydney and Melbourne housing costs at extreme levels: And home ownership rates collapsing across … (behind paywall) … read more via hyperlink above …

… Behind paywall … http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

Many homeowners want house prices to fall, says survey … The Australian

Three quarters of non-owners who want prices to fall say it would … investment bank UBS declared Australia’s housing boom “officially” over. … read more via hyperlink above …
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- Nostradamus
  
  Hugh:
  
  read more via hyperlink above
  
  I noticed you took a different approach on Friday and previously on 21 November:
  
  PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING – HUGH PAVLETICH
  (refresh / reload if necessary )
  
  Why do you suppose anyone would think it’s “necessary” to refresh or reload a page on your blog?
  
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  December 2, 2017 8:50am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    THE 10 MEDIAN MULTIPLE MARKET ( http://www.demographia.com ) OF AUCKLAND …
    
    Price pressure is building in the Auckland housing market and sooner or later something has to give, Greg Ninness argues | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91193/price-pressure-building-auckland-housing-market-and-sooner-or-later-something-has
    
    There was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth on Thursday when the Reserve Bank announced it was slightly loosening loan-to-value ratio (LVR) restrictions on new mortgage lending.
    
    Much of the hand wringing was coming from real estate agents and valuers, two groups that have been particularly hard hit by the downturn in residential property sales that’s occurred over the last year or so.
    
    They have been railing against the LVR restrictions for some time, and must have been bitterly disappointed that Thursday’s announcment was for just a slight loosening rather than a complete removal … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:05am
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    The man is seriously unwell.
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:08am
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      Can you remember when the Japanese exited in the early 1990’s ? The Chinese have yet to start exiting …
      
      Sydney property goes cold as ‘Chinese capital flows fall’ … Australian Broadcasting Corporation
      
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-31/sydney-property-cold-as-chinese-capital-outlows-freeze/9103428
      
      Rapidly cooling house prices in Sydney and the sudden withdrawal of Chinese investors from the property market may lead the Reserve Bank to cut interest rates, according to investment bank Credit Suisse.
      
      Key points:
      
      Chinese capital flows closely correlated to Sydney property and point to an on-going cooling of prices
      
      Sydney clearance rates now at the break even point where prices fall
      
      Credit Suisse argues the RBA may be under pressure to cut rates if Sydney property falls as expected
      
      Research conducted by Credit Suisse’s economics and equity teams found Chinese capital flows are tightly correlated to Sydney housing prices, with movements impacting property demand 12 months down the track.
      
      “Over the past few months, the Sydney housing market has not only cooled down, but has arguably turned cold,” Credit Suisse wrote. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      December 2, 2017 9:18am
      - starboard
        
        Its actually quite sad to watch Hugh slowly lose his marbles on KB.
        Poor guy. Is there anything any of us can do for you HP ?
        
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        December 2, 2017 9:25am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        In case you missed this from yesterday …
        
        NEW ZEALAND BUSINESS CONFIDENCE PLUMMETS … NZ HERALD / KIWIBLOG
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/business_confidence_plummets.html
        
        The Herald reports:
        
        New Zealand business confidence dropped sharply in November with uncertainty around changing government policy, a softer housing market, and difficulty getting credit seen as likely causes. The kiwi fell about a quarter of a US cent.
        A net 39 per cent of businesses were pessimistic about the year ahead, the lowest level since early 2009, and a decline of 29 points from the previous month, according to the ANZ Business Outlook. … read more via hyperlink above … …
        
        Listings of homes for sale are surging as sales remain sluggish, which could create an overhang of unsold properties next year | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91175/listings-homes-sale-are-surging-sales-remain-sluggish-which-could-create-overhang
        
        The residential property market could start the New Year with a doozy of a hangover thanks to a flood of new listings hitting the market.
        
        Property website Realestate.co.nz received 13,447 new listings of properties for sale in November, the highest number in any month since November 2014.
        
        That pushed the total number of properties available for sale on the website to 27,488 at the end of November, the highest number since March 2016. … read more xia hyperlink above …
        
        The number of new dwelling consents issued in October was below where it was 12 months ago | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91161/number-new-dwelling-consents-issued-october-was-below-where-it-was-12-months-ago
        
        … Interest Co NZ … Mid – November report …
        
        The latest RBNZ survey of house price expectations brings a sharp dive in those seeing gains in the future. In fact capital gains may have vanished; the risk is now to the downside | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90954/latest-rbnz-survey-house-price-expectations-brings-sharp-dive-those-seeing-gains-future
        
        … When can we expect Government announcements on the abolition of urban limits and the introduction of bond financing for infrastructure … TO ALLOW the development and construction of increasingly affordable housing ?
        
        Refer in particular to the Ardern / Twyford section within the recently updated and revamped …
        
        PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING
        
        http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/index.html
        
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        December 2, 2017 9:32am
      - treadingthemill
        
        For gods sakes Hugh, too long and too many bloody links, especially as you’re talking at people rather than too them. I don’t know why you think this approach is going to achieve anything other than annoying the hell out of people and ensuring that your point is lost as a result. Plus, every single day on the same single issue?
        
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        December 2, 2017 9:40am
      - tom hunter
        
        Plus, every single day on the same single issue
        
        He’s another Single Issue Crank. Hate to tell you this TTM but Hugh has been told this by numerous commentators, including ones like me that know he has a point or two to make that are right.
        
        But his delivery and fanaticism are iron-clad. I actually heard him on radio one day and his delivery was exactly the same and he kept talking until the announcer shut him off and moved on. A bellowing, obnoxious fanatic who has no idea how to persuade people.
        
        WRT to KB I’m sure he just treats DPF with contempt and uses this place as a platform to get people to read his site. It’s pretty bloody rude blogging behaviour but Hugh is such a crank that he does not care. He will not listen to anybody and he will not change. Best to ignore him and downtick him into oblivion, even when you agree with him.
        
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        December 2, 2017 12:19pm
      - Swifty
        
        He’s a social incompetent.
        
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        December 2, 2017 1:08pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Do you guys have any comments at all about the gross failures by the previous government on these issues ?
        
        Here is Key in 2007 …
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
        
        Auckland housing was 6.4 times household incomes in 2008.
        
        It is now 10.
        
        Even if the Key government had ‘held the line’ in Auckland with rising incomes, the Median Multiple today would be around 5 (half its current level).
        
        If they had actively gently lowered it with progressive land releases and phased introduction of bond financing for infrastructure it would be 4 … well on the road to the affordable ceiling of 3.
        
        The lying knight sat on his hands while another $400 billion of extremely dangerous bubble value was pumped in to the market nationally over the 9 years.
        
        Why ?
        
        Check the graphs at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        Spare us the pathetic preaching.
        
        Stick to the issues.
        
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        December 2, 2017 2:41pm
      - Swifty
        
        We are sticking to the issues you cloth-eared single-issue oaf.
        
        The issue is Hugh Pavletich’s ongoing spamming, link-whoring, self-promotion, arrogance, rudeness and utter compempt for Kiwiblog readers (especially those on mobile phones) and DPF.
        
        You utter dork.
        
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        December 2, 2017 2:59pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Oh dear … the Tories just can’t help themselves ! …
        
        Meet NZ’s newest housing idiot – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/meet-nzs-newest-housing-idiot/
        
        Apparently Auckland’s housing market is no longer in “crisis”, according to the National opposition’s housing spokesman, Michael Woodhouse: … read more via hyperlink above …
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        I thought Holy Heatley was bad enough … but sadly it seems Woodhouse is even worse …
        
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        December 2, 2017 3:11pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … It sure was pathetic with Holy Heatley … the sanctimonious twit in 2010 (Cactus Kate was vicious on the guy) …
        
        Housing Minister Phil Heatley resigns portfolios … Stuff
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3372681/Housing-Minister-Phil-Heatley-resigns-portfolios
        
        Housing Minister Phil Heatley warned before over credit card use | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/3376202/Housing-Minister-Phil-Heatley-warned-before-over-credit-card-use
        
        Heatley: ‘I haven’t lived up to my own standards’ – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10628418
        
        … but it took until January 2013 (at the time of the release of the 9th Annual Demographia Survey) for Key to fire Heatley … and incredibly … replace him with Smith.
        
        Talk about embarrassing … refer GONE GONE GOING section … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
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        December 2, 2017 3:58pm
      - Swifty
        
        Like I said, utter contempt for KB readership and DPF.
        
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        December 2, 2017 4:31pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The new Housing Minister sets out how he plans to “build communities”, deal with homlessness, “build 100,000 affordable homes for first home buyers”, help renters, and sort out the tax incentives | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/91200/new-housing-minister-sets-out-how-he-plans-build-communities-deal-homlessness-build
        
        … extract …
        
        … All this is supported by what I call our Urban Growth Agenda. It is a set of reforms designed to allow our cities to make room for growth, and bring down the high cost of urban land that is at the heart of these problems.
        
        I know this is an ambitious agenda. But the scale of the crisis demands ambition.
        
        I draw my inspiration from the First Labour Government who came to office after Depression and war determined to use the power of the state for good.
        
        To intervene where necessary to make the system work for working people.
        
        They redefined the role of Government. They made things happen by sheer force of will, and they built a lot of bloody houses.
        
        The Sixth Labour Government’s housing reform agenda is also about nation building.
        
        It recognises we have a crisis, and is bold and broad in response. It has the courage to tackle deeply entrenched problems that have been allowed to fester for too long.
        
        It redefines the role of the state, and gets it back into the business of mass home building.
        
        It will tame the out of control speculation that has been so destructive, and modernise rental laws.
        
        In building 100,000 houses, re-inventing state housing, and building dozens of thriving modern communities around New Zealand, it will change the face of our towns and cities.
        
        It will create the conditions for our people to thrive.
        
        Once implemented it will amount to the biggest overhaul of housing policy since the time of the First Labour Government. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        The future of housing in New Zealand | Beehive.govt.nz
        
        https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/future-housing-new-zealand
        
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        December 3, 2017 8:06am
- flipper
  
  This is Saturday. Soggy Pavlova is a bore and should be confined to 11.45 pm on Monday…..2100…..
  Boringly dumb!
  
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  December 2, 2017 10:14am
- Harkman
  
  Hugh,
  From my own data the median house for sale price in NZ from May to September was $550,000 in October it jumped to $580,000 and in November it was $590,000. So if you want your beloved Labour Government to cool the market, they are already failing miserably.
  
  As I said a couple days ago falling nominal house prices go in tandem with increased unemployment. Nobody wants increased unemployment especially politicians.
  
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  December 2, 2017 10:28am
Manolo

Obama 2.0:
https://www.usnews.com/news/the-report/articles/2017-12-01/kamala-harris-navigates-the-2020-presidential-landscape

It’s the 53-year-old Harris who has rocketed up the chain of fresh possibilities this year, as she’s been feted by elite donors, fawned over by the Democratic establishment and elevated by a smitten national press corps.

As the cultural and ideological antidote to the current president, her ascension was almost inevitable. But it’s also been in motion for years.
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December 2, 2017 8:49am
JasonJohns

More fake news in the US with the small-time political operative Michael Flynn, a guy Trump hardly even knew, coming out against Trump for petty reasons. Trump cam count this as yet another win.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/flynn-pleads-guilty-lying-fbi-cooperating-mueller-probe/
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December 2, 2017 9:00am
- Harkman
  
  What is sillier is the fact that he got pinged for talking to the Russian Ambassador ‘a month and a half’ after the election was over. Mueller, is as dirty as the day is long, he is in place to protect the swamp.
  
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  December 2, 2017 10:31am
  - Milhous
    
    Why did he lie about it?
    
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    December 2, 2017 12:00pm
    - Harkman
      
      Because he violated the Logan Act which states only people appointed by the current President can negotiate national foreign policy. Flynn thought he was talking in private but he wasn’t, and he promised to get rid of sanctions, something he was not in a position to promise.
      
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      December 2, 2017 12:30pm
Morrissey

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Heroes
No. 2: GIDEON LEVY

Gideon Levy is the most hated man in Israel – and perhaps the most heroic. This “good Tel Aviv boy” – a sober, serious child of the Jewish state – has been shot at repeatedly by the Israeli Defence Force, been threatened with being “beaten to a pulp” on the country’s streets, and faced demands from government ministers that he be tightly monitored as “a security risk.” This is because he has done something very simple, and something that almost no other Israeli has done. Nearly every week for three decades, he has travelled to the Occupied Territories and described what he sees, plainly and without propaganda. “My modest mission,” he says, “is to prevent a situation in which many Israelis will be able to say, ‘We didn’t know.’” And for that, many people want him silenced.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/is-gideon-levy-the-most-hated-man-in-israel-or-just-the-most-heroic-2087909.html

Gideon Levy is a Haaretz columnist and a member of the newspaper’s editorial board. Levy joined Haaretz in 1982, and spent four years as the newspaper’s deputy editor. He is the author of the weekly Twilight Zone feature, which covers the Israeli occupation in the West Bank and Gaza over the last 25 years, as well as the writer of political editorials for the newspaper.

Levy was the recipient of the Euro-Med Journalist Prize for 2008; the Leipzig Freedom Prize in 2001; the Israeli Journalists’ Union Prize in 1997; and The Association of Human Rights in Israel Award for 1996.

His new book, The Punishment of Gaza, has just been published by Verso Publishing House in London and New York.
https://www.haaretz.com/misc/writers/gideon-levy-1.402

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-QNP4Zw-KQ

“Heroes” is a series devoted to those courageous and brilliant people who show us that, in a world seemingly run by crooks, abusers, scoundrels, mass murderers and liars, there are still reasons for optimism.

No. 1 Edward Snowden
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- Harkman
  
  So you’re an anti-semite, that explains everything. I bet that you quietly cheer when a terrorist attack occurs in the West.
  
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  December 2, 2017 10:34am
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    So you’re an anti-semite, that explains everything.
    
    I think the abusive term of dismissal you’re looking for in this case is “self-loathng Jew.” That’s what you’re supposed to snarl at the likes of Gideon Levy, Amira Hass, Anthony Loewenstein, Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Sara Roy and all the rest of those ornery truth-telling Jews. It can also come in useful when you seek to write off the thousands of young Israelis who refuse to serve in the IDF’s campaign of terror and suppression in the Occupied Territories and Gaza. Anti-semites, the LOT of ’em!
    
    Here’s a suggestion, “Harkman”: how about you turn up to Gideon Levy’s talk tomorrow afternoon and bawl that he’s an anti-semite?
    
    I bet that you quietly cheer when a terrorist attack occurs in the West.
    
    ???? That comment was as confused and incoherent as your “anti-semite” slur.
    
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    December 2, 2017 12:20pm
  - realityczech
    
    Harkman has been reported for his hate speech against a Jewish peace activist. Nasty little nazi.
    
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    December 2, 2017 4:35pm
- Brito
  
  Well, if they stop firing mortar rounds and stabbing our people we’ll stop retaliating. Can’t be fairer than that.
  
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  December 2, 2017 2:56pm
  - realityczech
    
    Brittle, can’t be that bad considering the “Israeli’s” moved from safe prosperous comfortable lives in Europe to live there and then illegally invaded the neighbours.
    
    Using your logic, if the Poles had not fired at the Germans then they would not have been harmed.
    
    Modern Israel is a religious disneyland built on lies and violence.
    
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    December 2, 2017 4:38pm
Morrissey

Here’s your chance to meet a real hero

Gideon Levy will deliver a public lecture tomorrow (Sunday) at the Mt Eden War Memorial Hall, 487 Dominion Rd, Balmoral, Auckland

Sunday 3 December 2017 3:00pm – 5:00pm

https://www.eventfinda.co.nz/2017/gideon-levy-public-lecture/auckland/balmoral
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December 2, 2017 9:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Morris dancer, I told you the other day where you left your meds. Didn’t you listen?
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:32am
  - Morrissey
    
    See you at the talk tomorrow, Cap’n? You’d learn a lot, you know…
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:42am
- flipper
  
  A waste of time, because idiots like mouth misery morrissey apart, no one gives a shit.
  
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  December 2, 2017 12:41pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Quite right, flipper. The indifference of the ignorant allows Israel to get away with its daily oppression and terrorising of the Palestinians, and to literally get away with mass murder whenever it feels like it.
    
    Similar indifference and hostility allowed the Germans to wreak their vengeance on captive populations in the 1930s and ’40s.
    
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    December 2, 2017 12:50pm
    - realityczech
      
      Gosh no wonder they are triggered Morris Dancer…
      
      Maybe they are anti Semites or something ?
      
      NZ Palestine Solidarity Network in conjunction with Quaker Peace and Service Aotearoa New Zealand invite you to a Free Public Lecture by Gideon Levy, a world renowned Israeli author and journalist committed to telling truth about Israel’s occupation of Palestine.
      
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      December 2, 2017 12:54pm
      - Brito
        
        Can’t have peace breaking out. Leftist policy in action.
        
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        December 2, 2017 2:57pm
    - Jack5
      
      Morrisey posts: “…Similar indifference and hostility allowed the Germans to wreak their vengeance on captive populations in the 1930s and ’40s.”
      
      Millions of people died bringing the Germans to heel, Morrisey. What indifference are you talking about?
      
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      December 2, 2017 1:26pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      The Israeli – Palestinian issue is a local tribal conflict between the followers of a Middle Eastern god who differ over their religious interpretations concerning a small strip of land. In that conflict abuses and terror have been carried out by both sides, possibly in nearly equal measure. The conflict is of no relevance to anyone other than the participants, name the Israelis and Palestinians, and perhaps their close neighbors. Westerners who take sides in that conflict, regardless of which side they take, and claim to be doing so in the name of human rights, are abusing the concept of human rights, and butting their noses into a religious tribal war that is none of their business. Left wing supporters of the Palestinians, and right wing supporters of Israel, should butt out of it. They are both only succeeding in making the situation worse.
      
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      December 2, 2017 1:42pm
      - realityczech
        
        Trodden, fuck me. Did some someone hack your account ?
        
        Well done 🙂
        
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        December 2, 2017 1:58pm
lifesgood

Kim Hill at the moment desperately trying to skewer Don Brash over his objection to Guyon Espiner’s ever increasing spiels in Maori on morning report. She couldn’t beat Don down…I turned off in the end. Talk about virtual signalling nonsense, Kim.
I don’t listen to morning report any more, his spiels were getting longer and longer and…….
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December 2, 2017 9:30am
- Morrissey
  
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  She’s making him seem like a mean-spirited, doddering old fool. Or more accurately, he’s making himself look like that.
  
  This was Kim Hill’s most complete thrashing of a victim since she cleaned up John Howard a few years ago.
  
  Wonder if Karl “Sir Galahad” Du Fresne will attempt to ride to the rescue like he did so disastrously following the dismantling of Howard.
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:38am
  - realityczech
    
    Hill’s hysterical virtue signalling “interviews” are comedy gold. She is a joke and no match for the measured pragmatic and smart Don Brash.
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:43am
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      “Virtue signalling” is a (not very clever) insult you would have hurled at the French Resistance, no doubt.
      
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      December 2, 2017 9:57am
      - realityczech
        
        I would have hurled it at those who told the Nazi what they wanted to hear and cooperated with them for their own benefit. They were the virtue signalers of the time.
        
        The Nazi were just like you, and other lefties, in their demands to control freedom of speech. They were after all The Socialist Workers Party.
        
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        December 2, 2017 10:14am
      - Brito
        
        Lying down. Taken pills. On oxygen. I…agree with rc….
        
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        December 2, 2017 2:59pm
  - lifesgood
    
    So if someone holds a legitimate and opposing view they are “mean spirited, and a doddering old fool” are they? God you lefties take the cake!
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:43am
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      They are unhinged.
      
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      December 2, 2017 11:11am
- jcuk
  
  To repeat myself from 2.50pm.
  here is the link to the “I/V’
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018623927
  
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  December 2, 2017 3:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Hey Morrissey,

you haven’t replied to my questions about old Noam Chomsky working for the US Military in his Language Lab at MIT.
http://scienceandrevolution.org/blog/2017/1/13/chomsky-at-mit-between-the-war-scientists-and-the-anti-war-students

Got any comments.
Isn’t the old boy a hero of yours?

PS. I’ve not called him a Commie; he’s the usual type of leftie – a closet capitalist
https://www.hoover.org/research/noam-chomsky-closet-capitalist
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December 2, 2017 9:38am
- Morrissey
  
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  You should read his books, Maggy. You haven’t started yet.
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:42am
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    You should try responding to Maggy’s points.
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:49am
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      She should start reading, immediately. It takes time and effort.
      
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      December 2, 2017 9:57am
      - realityczech
        
        Morris Dancer you are not at the Standard now. Debate Wiggles points and prepare to be educated by a superior intellect.
        
        Even Trodden is taking you apart !
        
        I have the popcorn ready 🙂
        
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        December 2, 2017 10:03am
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy’s got you well and truly whipped here, Morrissey. Leave quietly while you still have an arse.
        
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        December 2, 2017 10:37am
      - Morrissey
        
        Jack, you’re a fantasist. As is Maggy.
        
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        December 2, 2017 12:42pm
      - realityczech
        
        ” fantasist”
        
        Morris Dancer, As people who frequent KB I am sure they are both devastated by your witty and scathing name calling. We rarely see that sort of thing here.
        
        Gosh I hope you don’t get a strike after that outburst ! LOL 🙂
        
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        December 2, 2017 12:47pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks, realityczech. All the best now!
        
        https://i.ytimg.com/vi/EfjSy7yAS58/maxresdefault.jpg
        
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        December 2, 2017 1:02pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Morrissey:
    
    You should read his books, Maggy. You haven’t started yet.
    
    You tried that strategy yesterday:
    
    Morrissey: You should not comment on Chomsky when you haven’t read anything by him. I’ve already counselled you on that before.
    
    treadingthemill: Iv’e read Manufacturing Consent. It could have had some value, but was ruined by his far left extremism.
    
    Morrissey: I don’t believe you. You seem as familiar with his writing as dear old Maggy, who called him an “obscurantist” the other day.
    
    treadingthemill: Of course you don’t believe me. Extreme political fundamentalists can’t believe that anyone could read their messiah’s holy words and disgree with them
    
    I don’t know treadingthemill from a bar of soap, but if he says he’s read a Chomsky publication, why wouldn’t you take him at his word and move on to debate the content?
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:50am
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      if he says he’s read a Chomsky publication, why wouldn’t you take him at his word and move on to debate the content?
      
      Because it’s clear from his entirely wrong claims about Chomsky that he has NOT read him. The same, sadly, applies to our bewildered and angry friend Maggy. It is pointless debating content with someone who has not done the reading.
      
      This is a common problem with some of the lazier, dimmer students at university.
      
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      December 2, 2017 9:55am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Morrissey:
        
        You quoted Noam Chomsky in your heroes series on 27 November.
        
        It only took 2 comments from treadingthemill…
        
        No, I don’t trust Chomsky as a source for opinions and definitely not for facts.
        …
        Why Not? He’s a partisan far left extremist with a history of supporting some pretty dodgy people and nations and a history of telling lies. He once said: “in comparison to the conditions imposed by US tyranny and violence, East Europe under Russian [Stalinist] rule was practically a paradise” Claims like that make him a whackjob.
        
        … before you declared: “You have not read Chomsky. Come back when you have.”
        
        This is a political blog, so presumptive comments like “You have not read Chomsky” don’t really cut it. Don’t you think a better approach might have been to pick up on the “He’s a partisan far left extremist with a history of supporting some pretty dodgy people and nations and a history of telling lies” comment, and instead ask treadingthemill to provide examples of lies?
        
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        December 2, 2017 10:06am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Because it’s clear from his entirely wrong claims about Chomsky that he has NOT read him.
        
        Except only someone who had read the book in question would have known about his take on American football and other sports. Which I did. What you’re really saying, and what your response to that issue yesterday proved, is that if someone reads Chomsky they must agree with him. I read one of his books, and disagreed with him. You can’t get your head around that, which I find very revealing about you. That’s why I compared you to a Christian fundamentalist insisting that if I only read the Bible I would see the light. You’re a political fundamentalist, absolutely convinced of the pure righteousness of your cause, and the evil of those on the other side, and absolutely convinced that if only people read your preferred prophets the scales would fall from their eyes. Political fundamentalists are the bane of a healthy democracy.
        
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        December 2, 2017 10:15am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @ Morrissey
        Go back to yesterday’s thread…even you seem to acknowledge Treadingthemill knows about Chomsky’s distaste for sports… as referred to in his book “Manufacturing dissent”.
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/the_speargun_beatup.html#comment-2090316
        
        The trouble is Morrissey, I’ve read Chomsky on language/linguistics and other folks commentaries on his ouevre for well on 30 years and it’s not until you get your head around the fact that he is a terrible dissembler wrt to terminology, that you begin to fathom what the hell he is on about.
        
        Now you may try and redirect me to his political writings, but again, you’re 30-40 years behind the times…my heroes are folks like JR Bray, who left a top university position in N.America in protest against US Military Might and came to little old NZ, where he could work without being part of the US War Machine.
        https://esa.org/history/bray-j-roger/
        
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        December 2, 2017 10:23am
      - Jack5
        
        Chomsky was wrong about an innate grammar accounting for humans’ language ability.
        
        Where is the organ which operates Chomsky’s innate grammar, Morrissey? There isn’t any corresponding organ, is there?
        
        Human language skills come from the brain’s neural networks that run just about everything else inside us.
        
        Why do some languages have no concept of left and right. Similarly with colour. Why was there no blue in Maori when whites arrived? There is no universal language organ.
        
        There is no dedicated brain part for this. Chomsky was wrong!
        If robots by themselves evolve a language it will probably be different from any human language because they are wired differently. No universal wiring diagram needs to be followed.
        
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        December 2, 2017 1:32pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        If robots by themselves evolve a language it will probably be different from any human language because they are wired differently.
        
        No if about it. This is freaky…
        
        ‘Facebook shuts down robots after they invent their own language’
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/08/01/facebook-shuts-robots-invent-language/
        
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        December 2, 2017 2:02pm
      - chiz
        
        Jack5:
        
        Chomsky was wrong about an innate grammar accounting for humans’ language ability.
        
        Where is the organ which operates Chomsky’s innate grammar, Morrissey? There isn’t any corresponding organ, is there?
        
        Chomsky no longer believes that there is a language organ in the brain, and hasn’t done for several years. On the other hand, its been known since the 19th century that there are parts of the brain dedicated to processing certain aspects of language
        
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        December 2, 2017 2:56pm
    - tom hunter
      
      You tried that strategy yesterday:
      
      He tries that strategy every time. In a desperate effort to draw something from his pitifully shallow intellect I’ve often asked Morrissey to provide a brief critique of something of Chomsky’s that he disagrees with.
      
      There has been nothing, which suggest that he either completely agrees with Chomsky on everything – meaning that he’s nothing more than an intellectual cock-holster for the man – or that he is actually the one who has not read the man, if by reading we mean absorbing and thinking about what is read.
      
      And I see below that TTM has picked up on the same thing,
      
      What you’re really saying, and what your response to that issue yesterday proved, is that if someone reads Chomsky they must agree with him.
      
      .
      Exactly. But what would former bricklayers know 🙂 (which of course is also funny since the brawny Toilers are supposed to be the people that Anarchists care the most about). Contempt is not a good way to get people to agree with, but in his autistic manner Chomsky never has figured that out – and so naturally, niether has Morrissey.
      
      I’m also amused by Maggie’s angle on Chomsky. In my case it was computer science that led me to the man’s writings, since in the early 1980’s efforts were still being made to develop AI based on his linguistic theories (I did some development work around that). This proved to be a dead end, which the AI community realised when they went back and dug a bit deeper into the theories.
      
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      December 2, 2017 12:31pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        In my case it was computer science that led me to the man’s writings, since in the early 1980’s efforts were still being made to develop AI based on his linguistic theories
        
        And in my case it was the craze for Information Theory/System theory approaches to explaining pattern in ecosystems that led me to Chomsky’s work in linguistic analysis.
        Perhaps Morrissey doesn’t ever question why MIT had a language/linguistic lab in the first place.
        
        Why did the great research arm of the US Military want to get automatic translations of languages?
        
        For over 60 years Chomsky has been collecting his 30 pieces of silver from the war-mongerers.
        http://www.thenorthstar.info/?p=12888
        
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        December 2, 2017 1:43pm
      - realityczech
        
        Oh I get it. His ramblings about linguistics are of no use to computer geeks and bug catchers, so therefore it follows his views on politics and world events must all be a pile of steaming shit.
        
        He is regarded as an important intellectual due to his observations on politics and societies. Not his work on linguistics and language. That is only mentioned to give him credibility for academic snobs.
        
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        December 2, 2017 1:54pm
  - flipper
    
    Like those he had in Kindergarten.
    
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    December 2, 2017 10:18am
noskire

Along with this white-guilt apologist tripe: https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/99358217/alice-snedden-don-brash-and-bill-gallagher–keeping-racism-in-the-public-eye
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December 2, 2017 9:40am
wiseowl

Alice Snedden.
What a bitch.
It was males hat fought for the freedom she enjoys.
It is not worth getting into an argument with someone as dim as Snedden who can’t see racism when it is staring her in the face.
Absolute tosser .
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December 2, 2017 9:57am
- Morrissey
  
  Ha! Top drawer analysis. You’ll be proud of it, no doubt?
  
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  December 2, 2017 9:58am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Morris dancer, have you ever done an analysis of your downtick/uptick ratio?
    It might tell you something.
    
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    December 2, 2017 10:05am
    - Morrissey
      
      Don’t be so smug, Cap’n—you’ve just garnered a downtick yourself.
      
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      December 2, 2017 12:29pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And it’s the only one, dickhead, and there are 16 upticks as at 3.37.
        Clearly many more kiwibloggers agree with me than you.
        
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        December 2, 2017 3:37pm
tknorriss

I think it is tragically sad to see the state of West Indies cricket today.

Back in the day, batsman such as Greenidge and Richards would have pulled, hooked and cut Wagner out of the attack in a few overs.

Back in the day they had four fast bowlers bowling all day like Wagner. Except from a metre higher, and 15ks faster.

What a sad indictment that their batsmen today are intimidated by short-pitched bowling.
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December 2, 2017 9:58am
- James Stephenson
  
  Money talks. All that potential fast-bowling talent is trying to get into the NBA these days.
  
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  December 2, 2017 10:09am
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes, that’s what I heard ten years ago its basketball and more money.,
    
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    December 2, 2017 10:26am
  - Morrissey
    
    True enough, James: money, and bullshit, sure do talk….
    
    https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/gettyimages-492689370.jpg?w=620&h=413&crop=1
    
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    December 2, 2017 1:00pm
- GazzaW
  
  Back in the day the Windies players were earning comparative peanuts. Their focus now is totally on limited overs cricket and it shows.
  
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  December 2, 2017 10:40am
sooty

So Twitford is now going to build caravan parks in auckland now. The state will be a slum landlord!
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December 2, 2017 10:03am
- Harkman
  
  The state houses this Labour government are going to build will be the ghettos of the future.
  
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  December 2, 2017 10:37am
  - G152
    
    All they have to do is find the land, prepare same and find all those trades people to build these houses and flog them off at a loss to first home buyers.
    Oh and add to the congestion in Auckland where streets will have a bus lane, a cycle path and maybe a one way traffic system for cars and trucks.
    Aucklanders elected Goff now they’re getting repaid
    
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    December 2, 2017 12:23pm
- GazzaW
  
  I wonder how long it will be before Twitford has to consider converting shipping containers. KB’s Kiwibuild Deficit gauge has now passed 1000 unbuilt houses – tick tock, tick tock.
  
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  December 2, 2017 10:44am
  - sooty
    
    The lowlifes are not going to do much damage in a shipping container. How come they are not chsed for damage to state houses. Out on their ear and pay up.
    
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    December 2, 2017 12:04pm
    - Harkman
      
      Because they vote for Labour.
      
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      December 2, 2017 12:34pm
- howitis
  
  We might want to start getting used to calling them ‘the projects’ now.
  
  Little doubt NZ on Air will fund ‘reality TV ‘ shows on these from about 10 years time.
  They will a Petri dish of crime.
  
  Under Labour they will at least be ‘warm and dry’ trailer parks.
  
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  December 2, 2017 10:56am
- waikatogirl
  
  Double glazed caravans with heatpumps and enough room for the children to play in their own back yards. Primo slum lord to you. // ?
  
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  December 2, 2017 12:19pm
- Piniwi
  
  But sooty they will be aloud to have pets as well soon. The stupidity of this guy is boundless.
  
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  December 2, 2017 7:12pm
Inandout

NZ Labour leader’s possible heroes:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7f/Kaganovich_stalin_postyshev_voroshilov1934.jpg/640px-Kaganovich_stalin_postyshev_voroshilov1934.jpg
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December 2, 2017 10:18am
- realityczech
  
  Errr no ….
  
  a. It only includes the hated man-pigs.
  b. They are not gay man-pigs.
  c. They have not even apologised for being man-pigs.
  d. They are white man-pigs.
  
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  December 2, 2017 12:30pm
SpencerArnold

Rumour around Public Service HQ is that Robbo will announce on Dec 14 that he is paring back or outright scrapping the 20billion defence procurement package, in order to balance the books with all the welfare promises he has made. perhaps he is hoping that it will get lost in the christmas news cycle, or that there will be enough time between the election and the announcement so people don’t join the dots.
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December 2, 2017 10:18am
Jack5

Labour to push convicts out of jail and on to the already swamped mental health system.

The con’s will no doubt get priority. Free university education, free driving lessons soon, and now priority for mental health.

Crime pays!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11951816
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December 2, 2017 10:34am
- Harriet
  
  Prison officers have a skill set well beyond that of mental health workers but the future is about employing more women with low skill sets. Job sharing they call it. Socialism they used to call it.
  
  The business community has been doing exactly that for 3 decades now, they dumb the workforce down to doing repetitive mindless tasks for lower wages and they then employ women as low paid management ‘box tickers’ to manage those low wage workers, who are increasingly remaining so. ‘Thinking’ used to see people climb the ladder and pay levels at work, but ‘non thinking compliance’ is the order of the day in most workplaces now, and you can remain there for life, and if you want to better yourself you have to leave.
  ‘Certification’ is probably the single most unproductive attribute to the economy and individuals. Some certification is necessary and worthwhile but most is an appalling judgement upon individual capability.
  
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  December 2, 2017 11:25am
- Digmen1
  
  He says that “Part of the reason for our bigger prison population is that prisoners are being sentenced for longer”
  Well that is what we want!
  If you do the crime – you do the time.
  
  However I do agree with better rehabilitation. But only if it is constructive. Ie no kapa haka. Trade skills, and english and maths skills.
  
  And help prisoners get accomodation and a job when they get out. But if they fuck up after that – double the next sentence!
  
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  December 2, 2017 11:33am
  - marcw
    
    “Double the next sentence”.
    
    That is what Labour is going to rescind (3 strikes laws) – another incentive not to re offend gone!
    
    … but the prison population went down at first, now they are clamoring and offending to get back in. Strangely, the numbers will be the same as last year I do predict.
    
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    December 2, 2017 5:09pm
- Jack5
  
  You have to be careful when the reformers talk about prisoners and mental health.
  
  Some Leftists think that society causes all crime: that there is no moral right-wrong choice.
  
  If you can establish people commit crime because they are mad, that further remove frees will from the picture, and the concept of punishment becomes antiquated and useless.
  
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  December 2, 2017 1:42pm
GazzaW

It’s taken just three weeks for Simon Bridges to display his vastly superior knowledge of Parliamentary statutes and procedures to leave Mallard visibly on the back foot whenever he makes a call. Mallard has been reduced to a standard phrase “the member will resume his seat” when on the losing end of a debate with Bridges which is nine times out of ten.

I’m getting weary of Mallard’s school masterly approach of debiting supplementary questions for unseemly behaviour. Clad in his black gown he reminds me of my crotchety old maths teacher handing out detentions. Childish stuff.
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December 2, 2017 10:55am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, Simon always comes across as cool and knowledgeable.
  
  I have only just started watching Channel 29.
  
  I do like the way Trevor Mallard uses his eyebrows to signal his rulings.
  
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  December 2, 2017 11:26am
- VicParking
  
  But he’s Labours top man. During question time this week, while I was watching that is, he had to apologise at least three times for getting it wrong. A couple of times when issues were raised that only required one MP to be againist it he was that MP.
  He did not evan wait for ThighKiss to jump up.
  
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  December 2, 2017 11:28am
- flipper
  
  1. Were it not for his speech impediment (politics is not a Courtroom) Bridges would be favoured to succeed W English
  
  2. Mallard is just one step above Wall. Peter Tapsell was a very good speaker with the intellect of a first class orthopod.
  
  3. The Clerk of the House will, sadly, save the duck.
  
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  December 2, 2017 12:57pm
  - GazzaW
    
    I’ve never noticed a speech impediment but if so then so what? He’s a top debater, knows his stuff and he’s smart. He’s certainly on my leadership shortlist when English steps down.
    
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    December 2, 2017 1:19pm
- Paulus
  
  Mallard is actually the man from Hogwarts isn’t he ?
  
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  December 2, 2017 2:45pm
- Piniwi
  
  Funny too GazzaW when it was a Labour patsy question (No 11) that was removed and that really upset Parker who had his spiel ready.
  
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  December 2, 2017 7:20pm
VicParking

No news in Whanganui again this weekend.
The online version of the local failing newspaper has filled it first page up with duplicates again.
The first three articles are duplicated and one triplicated. It seems that during the weekend they just have monkeys punching the keyboards.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/headlines.cfm?c_id=1503426
I must admit the weather has again been terrific here. Xmas parade, Duck race, concerts in the main street. One would have thought that the Journalists at the Chronicle would have loads to write about. Woops thats right they are not allowed to work on weekends, taking jobs off the monkeys.
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December 2, 2017 11:18am
Harriet

“……..Kevin Rudd says Malcolm Turnbull will be “smashed” at the next election by Bill Shorten and has called on the prime minister to save face and quit now, saying he’s become a “bad joke” who stands for nothing other than his own ego.

“Turnbull is neither fish nor foul,” he told Labor party supporters.

“Neither Conservative nor Liberal … the final fulfilment of personal political ambition utterly detached from any real policy agenda,” he said.
“Turnbull is just Turnbull – standing for nothing apart from Malcolm himself, a profound disappointment to his party, which has now become a little more than a bad joke – just being there,” he said.
“Malcolm, for the good of your party and the country, just go,” Mr Rudd said.
“Let the others sort out who should replace you.
“And then let the contest begin on who should form the next government of Australia,” he said…..”

That’s right Kevin – Malcolm Turnbull is the weakest Australian prime minister in living history, and that’s a remarkable feat considering the level of competition. 😎
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December 2, 2017 11:38am
- Manolo
  
  Pinko PM Turnbull is the worst calamity of all. He is going to lose big, very big to Labor’s Shorten, which is bad news for the Australian economy.
  
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  December 2, 2017 4:25pm
realityczech

Wiggles, while you may disagree with some of Chomsky’s mumblings, as do I, it does not follow we should automatically dismiss all he says.

The thing I admire about him is the way he will speak out and point to the failings of both left and right. He famously says things lefty Jewish intellectuals are not supposed to say. In recent times he has torn apart the credibility of lefty darlings like Obama. He has upset others with comments about Israel. He clearly upsets the right. And he doesn’t give a fuck.

He represents the best of the Jewish intellectual culture and for it he has been denied entry to Israel.

To my mind he makes a worthwhile contribution. He is not a joiner and is fairly immune to group think. These are qualities I admire.
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December 2, 2017 12:00pm
- Morrissey
  
  Very good summary of Chomsky, my friend—except for the bit about his “mumblings”. That sounds as convincing as poor old treadingthemill’s assertion that Chomsky’s a “liar” and Maggy’s ignorant and vicious statement that he supported Pol Pot.
  
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  December 2, 2017 12:46pm
  - realityczech
    
    Maybe you should put down the books and listen to him…
    
    “Obama is worse than George Bush and Tony Blair says Noam Chomsky”
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mA4HYTO790
    
    And a great example of him seeing through the bullshit.
    
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    December 2, 2017 1:38pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Maggy’s ignorant and vicious statement that he supported Pol Pot.
    
    There is a full expose here of Chomsky’s refusal to accept the Cambodian massacres that were being reported by folks on the ground and the efforts he went to to discredit testimony from fleeing refugees.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial#Chomsky_and_Herman
    
    20 years later Chomsky acknowledged the scale of the massacres.
    
    He does have a habit of down-playing bad things….
    here, the war work at MIT
    https://libcom.org/history/chomsky-war-research-mit
    
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    December 2, 2017 3:51pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Did George Bernard Shaw and HG Wells ever acknowledge that the Soviets had duped them that the Ukraine was a land of plenty” when they visited and reported back what they had seen in glowing terms in the 1930s?
      
      Lenin’s Useful Fools…
      
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      December 2, 2017 4:09pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Nobody is more severe on Lenin and the rest of that gang than Chomsky. You’d know that if you actually bothered to read him.
        
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        December 2, 2017 5:01pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …wasn’t talking Chomsky and Lenin you overly-literal deliberately ignorant…waste of space. I was making a comparison between leftist apologist dupes like
        
        Chomsk and Pol Pot
        
        HG Wells, George Bernard Shaw and Stalin
        
        …which (to quote you) “you’d know that if you actually bothered to read” what I wrote.
        
        Maybe if I just called you a cunt you would troll less. Am seriously thinking of making it my latest troll-antidote, and is worth being banned for it. So, Morrissey, don’t be a cunt.
        
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        December 2, 2017 5:10pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Maggy’s ignorant and vicious statement that he supported Pol Pot.
    
    @Morrissey
    
    I’ve just checked through the Archives and I can’t locate where I have made an ignorant or vicious statement that Chomsky supported Pol Pot.
    Could you please provide the link?
    
    I did find this stunner from stephieboy though.
    God, it makes for terrible reading how Chomsky tried to minimise the horror of the Khmer Rouge.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/10/general_debate_8_october_2016.html#comment-1796343
    
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    December 2, 2017 4:41pm
- Jack5
  
  TeamKea says Chomsky is immune to Group Think.
  In linguistics, he started it.
  
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  December 2, 2017 1:44pm
  - realityczech
    
    Jacksie you vile anti semite you. Being critical of anything remotely connected to anything a Jew does makes you as bad as Hitler !!!!
    
    You wait until I alert EAD to this hate crime 🙂
    
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    December 2, 2017 1:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @ RC
  Oh I don’t dismiss much that he says….
  
  Poor old Morrissey seems to be ignorant of my Quaker, pacifist past. I was inculcated with anti-war machine thought from a young and tender age.
  
  Tell you what I think is a brilliant piece of Chomsky –
  his view on Teaching
  My own feeling is that teaching is mostly common sense. I taught children when I was a college student. I worked my way through college in part by teaching Hebrew school. I’ve taught graduate students across the range, and just from my own experience or anything I’ve read, it seems to me that ninety-nine percent of good teaching is getting people interested in the task or problem and providing them with a rich enough environment in which they can begin to pursue what they find interesting in a constructive way. I don’t know of any methods for doing that other than being interested in it yourself, being interested in the people you are teaching, and learning from the experience yourself. In that kind of environment, something good happens, and I suppose that’s true with writing as much as auto mechanics.
  https://chomsky.info/1991____/
  
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  December 2, 2017 4:03pm
  - realityczech
    
    My faith is restored Wiggles 🙂
    
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    December 2, 2017 4:08pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Richard Nixon had a Quaker past too.
    
    Your repeated slander and distortions of Chomsky, repeating the nonsense purveyed by Nixon’s henchmen, are also reminiscent of Whittier’s finest. And they have as much credibility as Nixon’s attempt to smear Chomsky’s friend Dan Ellsberg.
    
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    December 2, 2017 4:56pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Morrissey
      
      I am well of Nixon’s Quakerism.
      
      But you have seemed to spent part of today painting me as “angry, ignorant, vicious, slanderous” without producing the evidence.
      
      I’m a sweet little old lady who has had the unfortunate experience of wasting my time trying to decipher Chomsky’s linguistic works.
      
      You have failed to answer any of my concerns about Chomsky’s involvement with the Brains of the US War Machine.
      
      And do I detect that in your last sentence you are equating me with Richard Nixon?
      
      Hahahahahahahahaha……
      
      Kimbo, whatcha think of that, eh?
      
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      December 2, 2017 5:47pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Refer elsewhere for my opinion of..Morrissey. 😉
        
        And i would consider it an honour to be equated with a great albeit flawed person like…Richard Milhous Nixon. Hmm, just sounded unintentionally like JasonJohns! 😉
        
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        December 2, 2017 6:02pm
      - Manolo
        
        Cara Maggy, non perdere il tempo con un matto.
        
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        December 2, 2017 6:03pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        And i would consider it an honour to be equated with a great albeit flawed person like…Richard Milhous Nixon.
        
        I know… I could feel my head swelling as soon as I read what Morrissey wrote… so I read it again.. and then remembered I’m just a bear of very little brain.
        
        @Manolo
        Good advice, Grazie
        
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        December 2, 2017 6:20pm
flipper

Chomsky….
an escapee from the Mad comics. Anyone who regards his musings as anything more than crap has escaped from “Lake Alice”……
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December 2, 2017 1:17pm
realityczech

The prophet Simon Bridges in general debate. Looks like he got a few things right … 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMzF_-RamWc
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December 2, 2017 1:28pm
- GazzaW
  
  An eerily precise prediction that we see coming to fruition already.
  
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  December 2, 2017 1:52pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes and did you see what he said about Little ?
    
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    December 2, 2017 3:37pm
GazzaW

So Andrew Little is going to reduce the prison population by 30% over fifteen years. Given the natural population growth, his determination to allow the Manaus ‘refugees’ to be accommodated here and the continuing inflow of compulsorily repatriated hardline crims from Australia it’s probable that Little is on a hiding to nothing.
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December 2, 2017 1:44pm
- Digmen1
  
  Its easy for him, just tell the judges to lighten up.
  
  This has to be stopped. We must tell Liddle that we want these guys in jail. If he wants less prisoners, then tell his supporters to get a job and stop robbing and bashing the rest of us.
  
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  December 2, 2017 2:17pm
  - sooty
    
    Support the taxpayer as someone as to pay for all the ferals.
    
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    December 2, 2017 2:51pm
  - GazzaW
    
    He could and probably will tell the judges to lighten up but it will only take one OAP or pregnant mum to be seriously assaulted or worse by an early parolee or a bailed suspect to have the whole mess thrown back in his face.
    
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    December 2, 2017 3:20pm
    - Digmen1
      
      I’d like to think that you are right. But it always takes a lot more than one.
      
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      December 2, 2017 5:08pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see Little on the Nation? He was basically saying the judges were not doing their jobs properly in regard bail. In the US is is okay for Trump to critisize judges. It is not here legal for anyone but it is rarely enforced. However, it is not okay for the Minister of Justice to do so. If he does not like how judges are interpreting the law then change the law but do not tell judges how they should interpret the law.
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December 2, 2017 1:53pm
- sooty
  
  Don’t forget Labours catch and release program.
  It follows on after the let them all out on bail.
  Except if you are middleclass white guy, as this for ferals only.
  
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  December 2, 2017 2:49pm
- Kimbo
  
  It is not “illegal” for politicians, including the Minister of Justice to criticise judges, either individually or as a group. Instead, as per our flexible, uncodefied Westminster Constitution, it is not the norm/contrary to established conventions.
  
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  December 2, 2017 4:30pm
  - realityczech
    
    “uncodefied”
    
    Bimbo it is codified dimwit. Just not in one single document. And why should it be ? Oh I know, because then we can be like the USA. Wow.
    
    Are you deliberately being thicker than usual today ?
    
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    December 2, 2017 4:43pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Nope. Wrong again, and chances are you confused “uncodefied” with “unwritten”…you dumbass dickhead. I’d call you a cunt again…but on reflection that is wrong, unfair and libelous…to cunts, because they are useful:
      
      An uncodified constitution is a type of constitution where the fundamental rules often take the form of customs, usage, precedent and a variety of statutes and legal instruments.[1] An understanding of the constitution is obtained through reading commentary by the judiciary, government committees or legal experts. In such a constitutional system, all these elements may be (or may not be) recognized by courts, legislators and the bureaucracy as binding upon government and limiting its powers. Such a framework is sometimes imprecisely called an “unwritten constitution”; however, all the elements of an uncodified constitution are typically written down in a variety of official documents, though not codified in a single document.
      
      …The following states can be considered to have an uncodified constitution:
      
      … New Zealand: see Constitution of New Zealand….
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncodified_constitution
      
      Don’t call us, we’ll call you when it comes to selection in Kimbo’s Kick-ass Kiwiblog Pub Quiz team. Truth be told, Gaby is ahead of you on my Rolodex.
      
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      December 2, 2017 4:49pm
Digmen1

No Andrew, judges are not doing the jobs properly on bail.

Far too many offenders commit more crimes whilst on bail.
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December 2, 2017 2:18pm
jcuk

I just got around to listening to the Kim Hill badgering of Don Brash ….

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=2018623927
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December 2, 2017 2:50pm
- GazzaW
  
  Quite appalling isn’t it? She’s a bitter one alright. One thing that we can be thankful for jcuk is that we don’t wake up in the mornings with that big a chip on our shoulders.
  
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  December 2, 2017 3:24pm
- Inandout
  
  Is she still a woman?
  
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  December 2, 2017 3:24pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  She says she plans on learning te reo. How old is she? She has had plenty of time.
  
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  December 2, 2017 3:27pm
  - Manolo
    
    The spinster is a professional actress. Period.
    
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    December 2, 2017 4:19pm
- realityczech
  
  Love the neutral unbiased title of the clip.
  
  “Don Brash – Ragging on Te Reo”
  
  Hill is an incredibly pretentious old hag.
  
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  December 2, 2017 4:19pm
JasonJohns

How great it was to hear a genuine expert on NZ history, Dr Don Brash, take Kim Hill apart this morning. Brash bravely spoke the truth – he explained that the first NZers were non-Maori, the Morioris, and that these were wiped out by Maori and are now extinct. Lately a fake Morori tribe has been created and given a treaty deal. This is all part of the PC conspiracy to rewrite NZ history. Don blew that out of the water with the facts about Moriori.
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December 2, 2017 3:30pm
- Kimbo
  
  I thought you were pulling another one of you much-appreciated trolls (keep up the amusing work, btw JJ- like tome hunter I wish there was another option than up or downtick to reward amusing trolls)
  
  …but then just before the end of the 30 minute interview Brash did throw in long-since discredited “the Moriori were here first then were killed off by the Maori” line
  
  My god! How can someone supposedly intelligent be so…ignorant of scholarship and the archeological evidence that Moriori were…Maori/Polynesian?
  
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  December 2, 2017 3:48pm
  - Komata
    
    Kimbo: Concerning the possibility that Maori were not the first people to to arrive in NZ. I have over the years had conversations with several esteemed elders from two totally separate Maori tribes about this. One was a tribe in the Bay of Plenty: one in Poverty Bay. BoTH tribes have stories which say that their ancestors GREETED the Maori canoes when they came ashore. How this fits in with your well-held viewpoint I have no idea, but bring it to your attention for what it may be worth. Thanks.
    
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    December 2, 2017 6:28pm
- Piniwi
  
  Yes JJ it is funny how history has been massaged so much from the truth. It is also disappointing that so many buy into every nuance of the native dialect that now has a TR jingle label. The way Martin sprinkles it through her answers in the house indicate old WP might have some dissention in his ranks.
  
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  December 2, 2017 7:32pm
JasonJohns

Brash is one of the few brave souls prepared to uphold the truth Kimbo.
Fact: the Moriori are extinct. Those people who recently signed a treaty settlement are professional actors…it’s part of the PC conspircy to rewrite NZ history
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December 2, 2017 3:54pm
- Kimbo
  
  Fairs, fair, JJ. He said Moriori were the original settlers. By that did the great anthropological scholar of the settlement of the South Pacific, Don Brash also mean they were…Celtic? 😉
  
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  December 2, 2017 3:57pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Don Brash also mean they were…Celtic? ”
    
    Bimbo, no if he meant that he would have said it. Simpleton.
    
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    December 2, 2017 4:06pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Didn’t ask you, Cunt. 😉 So sit back down on your perch before someone plucks you, and puts you in the oven to baste in your own juices.
      
      There are two types of trolls in this world – those worth treasuring and cultivating – like JasonJohns. then there are the arseholes you would punch in the head if they were ever rude enough to say what they do to you in person. Guess which one you are…Cunt.
      
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      December 2, 2017 4:15pm
      - realityczech
        
        Poor Bimbo is triggered and has resorted back to “troll” crying as the reptilian part of his rudimentary brain kicks in 🙂
        
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        December 2, 2017 4:20pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Nah, I just got satisfaction out of calling you…a cunt. Did I mention you are…a cunt, cunt?
        
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        December 2, 2017 4:22pm
      - realityczech
        
        Bimbo does not like cunt. Why am I not surprised. What girl is going to sit listening to his pompous dull ramblings anyway ?
        
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        December 2, 2017 4:25pm
      - sam green
        
        I’m mightily impressed Kimbo.
        
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        December 2, 2017 6:16pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    I admit he neglected to mention the great white civilisation that flourished here millenia ago. But understandable he should keep quite about this – look what happened to Allan Titford…
    
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    December 2, 2017 5:15pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Free Don Brash!! 😉
      
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      December 2, 2017 5:18pm
      - sam green
        
        …..with every packet of Weetbix.
        
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        December 2, 2017 6:18pm
Inandout

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9dc1311140855ee57cc29c132cb2646659076708d119bb5e0833f85e5a2d7c36.jpg?w=600&h=460

That lady sure gets around.
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December 2, 2017 5:08pm
- Kimbo
  
  Very amusing. New perspective on “the banality of evil”. 😉
  
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  December 2, 2017 5:15pm
Inandout

St Lukes Mall 2025:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=Pp_aSnKV03c
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December 2, 2017 5:15pm
VicParking

Just watch a bit of a fishing show on TV. The bastards spent an hour torturing a large fish. The look of glee on their faces made me sick. How can they allow this on TV. If you put a hook in a cows mouth and played with it on a rope for an hour you would end up in jail.
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December 2, 2017 5:30pm
- sam green
  
  Yes cows just go quietly to sleep then we chop them up.
  
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  December 2, 2017 6:20pm
Morrissey

Duncan “Vyshinsky” Garner’s laughable attempt to intimidate Golriz Ghahraman
FULL TRANSCRIPT
three a.m. show, Thursday 29 November 2017

https://morrisseybreen.blogspot.com

Duncan Garner tries to be harsh and cold and aggressive, but he doesn’t really have his heart in it. Someone obviously wrote his questions for him, and told him to “get” Golriz, but it’s clear that he early on recognizes Golriz is far brighter than him, as well as holding the moral high ground over him. This clip finishes a bit early, unfortunately, and doesn’t include the very interesting back and forth between Garner, Mark Richardson and Amanda Gillies, immediately after this travesty. All of them acknowledged that Golriz had done nothing wrong, and Amanda Gillies did not hide her distaste for what Garner had been instructed to do…..

DUNCAN GARNER: Green M.P. Golriz Ghahraman has come under criticism for failing to mention her work defending a war criminal convicting of inciting genocide IN RWANDA. Around eight hundred thousand TUTSI are estimated to have been killed during the nineteen ninety-FOUR ethnic cleansing, uh, by the Hutu EXTREMISTS. Ghahraman was involved in the deFENCE, and she joins me now, Golriz good to have you on the program, really apPRECiate it. Why didn’t you just tell us? Why hasn’t this been OUT there before?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: I did. It was out there. There’s been a number of journalists that have come forward, Kirsty Johnston from the Herald, Vice New Zealand’s released a transcript, I did a number of interviews before the election where I talked about this. I went around, um, various law schools, I’ve talked about this in the past. My C.V. was online and completely open. Um, so it’s not a problem for me at all, it’s not a problem for any lawyer, and the U.N. is certainly really proud that we now have these trials where there is a defense and a prosecution. It’s about returning communities to a rule of law model, to a human rights model.

GARNER: Okaaaayyy. Okay.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: So it is actually about stopping the cycle of violence. Having the defense ensures that, so either side can’t say, you know, it was victor’s justice, you just came in and arrested our people. Um, so it’s something that I’m really proud of, and I’ve put it out there, there’s been a number of articles, um, it wouldn’t have occurred to me to hide it—

GARNER: [brusquely] I put it to you that you HAVEN’T, actuallyyyy. I put it to you that the GREEN Party, you see the GREEN Party WEBSITE said, uh, “Golriz worked in Africa, The Hague, and Cambodia, putting on trial world leaders for abusing their power.” It DOESN’T SAY that you DEFENDED these war criminals.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: So in the context of all of these articles that I’ve done and all of these talks that I’ve given, and making my C.V. public well before the election, there’s just this ONE line that people have gotten a hold of and—-

GARNER: [interrupting] Quite CRUCIAL, it’s quite CRUCIAL, Golriz.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Well, I would, I mean I would suggest if the Green Party was trying to hide this, someone would have brought me up and said you’ve got to stop doing Herald interviews about this work, it would’ve been a no-brainer, um, for someone from the party to pull me up and say, Stop, stop doing these interviews about it, um, and it di–, it hadn’t occurred to me, I mean the reason it’s come up NOW is because, again, there was a Herald article where they said to me, What’s a defining era in your life? And I said, well actually this was the difficult, you know, this was the thing that was really life-changing for me is when I first went in to the U.N. system, um, it was working for the defense and, what do, you know it really made me think about—

GARNER: [interrupting] Weeeell, I, I READ some of the articles.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: —-and that—

GARNER: And I’ve READ some of these articles, Golriz, and—

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: It was me that brought it up, I mean it wouldn’t have occurred to me to hide it.

GARNER: Yyeeah. But it HAS been hidden by the GREEN Party. Why was, so let’s, okay, so the media might have SAID it, but what about your own Green Party, it wasn’t on your website and you’ve since CHANGED that of course which is the right thing to do.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Oh of course I asked them to change it immediately. I had, ha–, I hadn’t even, er, looked at that, I don’t think, but I mean—
GARNER: Well hang on, hang on, lemme test that, lemme TEST that. You say you hadn’t looked at it, you DON’T THINK. Did you know that it said it, or it didn’t say it?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: I, to be honest, would have skimmed it at some point, but I would’ve gone Yep, it’s got the places I worked, moving on. I mean, those trials are ABOUT the defense being there as well. Otherwise we wouldn’t have trials, we’d take people out the back. You know, it’s, as a law student, I was inspired essentially by the Nuremberg Trials, you know, when we went, okay, you’re not above the law, genocide IS a crime, but we’re not gonna sink to your level, we’re not gonna be tyrants, we’re gonna have these open, transparent, fair trials—

GARNER: [interrupting] So the GUARDIAN—

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: It’s so INSPIRING as a lawyer—

GARNER: Hmmm.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: You know, I wouldn’t have, there’s NO WAY I would have hidden something like that, that’s why I was doing the articles about it.
GARNER: Did you complain to the Guardian, ‘cos the Guardian, ahh, three weeks ago, doing a tri–, a piece on you, a really good piece on you too, said that you “represented the U.N. in tribunals, prosecuting some of the world’s worst war criminals, including perpetrators of the Rwandan genocide.” They said that you PROSECUTED THE RWANDAN GENOCIDE!

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Yeah I understand our comms team has written to the Guardian. I understand they have written to the Guardian. I mean, yeah, that’s blatantly not what I’ve ever said in interviews. And I mean, the Vice article was all about the defense work, um, Kirsty Johnston’s came forward and said that the latest Herald piece was all about the defense work, and that’s ‘cos I wanted to talk about it. I think it’s an important conversation actually, um, and it IS about the human rights framework—

GARNER: [interrupting] Do you acCEPT—

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: It’s not about denying genocide. That’s what I find offensive. Because we’re all there, the United Nations is there because we want to say genocide is a crime, but we will have a process, we’re not going to have cycles of violence, um, continuing. So that’s the part of it that’s really offensive to me.

GARNER: Okay. And some people might be offended at, in your maiden SPEECH, in parliament, in recent weeks, you talk about your WORK, and this is in your own words, you no doubt wrote your own speech, you talk about this criminal justice system internationally on the front li-i-i-ine, where you went out the-e-ere, y’know, you fought hard for what you di-i-id, and you worked in Africa, worked alongside these genocide trials, and you saw it at the Rwanda tribunal, you saw it at the Hague, and when you PROSECUTED the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, you “held politicians and armies to account for breaching their powers, giving voice to women, and minorities.” You don’t ONCE [brandishing his notes accusingly] describe it in your OWN words, in your OWN maiden SPEECH in parliament that you were DEFENDING some of these people!

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: That IS putting people on trial. I mean, everyone in that trial is putting those people on trial. It’s not the prosecutors putting them on trial—

GARNER: [interrupting] But you don’t say you were deFENDing them, Golriz. You’re happy to talk about PROSECUTING.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: My maiden speech is all about being a DEFENCE lawyer. I raised the fact that I defended a child MURDERER at the Auckland High Court. It’s— my maiden speech talks about human rights in terms of defense work. I mean, to isolate a line out of it, is just, it’s just wrong. And I mean you have to—

GARNER: [interrupting] See I think you’re MINIMIZING it.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: You have to take it in the context that for the entire year of the election I was doing these interviews about both the defense and the prosecution work that I’ve done. So to me it’s VERY public, and it SHOULD be very public, we should be really proud of adv—-

GARNER: [interrupting] So why didn’t you sa-a-a-a-yyy…..

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: —of advocating for a justice system that has both.

GARNER: Why didn’t you saaaay, why didn’t you SAY in your maiden SPEECH that you learned a lot—

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: But why did I make all these Herald articles about the defense work?

GARNER: Can I just finish the question?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: I mean—

GARNER: I, I’ll just finish the question if I CAN, Golriz, because I’ve let you finish, I, if I could just please finish this question.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Go for it.

GARNER: Why didn’t you in your maiden speech say that you defended some of the world’s most evil men? Like the BUTCHER of Bosnia.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: No, I never had anything to do with that trial. That’s patently wrong. That’s the Mladić trial you’re talking about and I’ve never had anything to do with the Mladić trial at all.

GARNER: You didn’t do any pre, pre-TRIAL work?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: That was on the Karadžić trial, so that’s a completely different defendant.

GARNER: But the same sort of THING, though, isn’t it!

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: What happened in the Karadžić trial, I can explain that, is that that defendant was self-represented, and in the pre-trial stage the court needs lawyers to actually make the legal arguments when you’re coming up to, you know, defining the crimes and defining, um, the, essentially the spectrum of the trial. Um, and so there are lawyers that work on that, it’s to assist the trial, because actually the prosecution has lawyers, and a self-represented defendant doesn’t, so you can’t have a fair trial without those legal points being hashed out properly. That’s what I did for about five or six months, before I went to prosecutio—

GARNER: [interrupting> Right so obviously he was an EVIL man, okay, a convicted war criminal. Did you morally STRUGGLE with any of this?

…[Here there are a couple of seconds of silence as she tries to deal civilly with the imbecility and insolence of that question]…

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: I don’t want us to resort back to, we take people out back and shoot them. These are, this is what these trials are about, and like I say, from Nuremberg onwards we’ve said, No, we have the moral authority. You ARE criminals, I don’t care if you’re the head of the army, I don’t care if you’re the president of a country, but we’re not gonna resort to what YOU resorted to, we’re gonna put you into a fair process, this community gets to see exactly who’s responsible, we’re not denying that genocide happened, but we wanna know exactly who did what, we want it to be transparent, we want the evidence to be tested and the historical record to be set right. Every lawyer in that system is proud to be involved in that, as was I, and as was I of my prosecution work. Is it difficult work? Totally. It’s REALLY hard to act on the defense in those trials but you’ve got to be really, really committed to that human rights-based process.

GARNER: Mmmkay. Ah, d-, have you EVER deFENDED anyone in New Zealand, say a Rwandan refugee who’s linked to that brutal reGIME?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Ah, I’ve defended a Rwandan refugee that’s been accused of being linked to, not the regime per se, but yeah that’s something I’ve spoken to on radio before as well. It was around the confidentiality measures of the refugee process in New Zealand that we were challenging.

GARNER: Hmmm. And he was—

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: So it was about, it was about people who were trying to disprove claims being able to go back in to a repressive regime and get witnesses and for us to protect those witnesses.

GARNER: [interrupting> Wasn’t he 2-i-c?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: And I’ve—

GARNER: [interrupting> Wasn’t he 2-i-c in the regime? Okay, so—

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: —I’ve openly spoken about that.

GARNER: So who WAS he?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Sorry?

GARNER: Okay, so wha-, wha-, wha-, so who WAS he? Wasn’t he 2-i-c in the regime?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Um, the problem with that case is that actually the courts have suppressed a lot of the information, but I’ve spoken about the legal point that we were taking before on radio, which was about the confidentiality measures. Um, in terms of the details of the case I don’t wanna, I don’t wanna be breaching any of the suppression orders that the court imposed. That’s an ongoing case which I’m not on any more.

GARNER: So WHY did YOU get involved in THAT?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: But you can talk to Deborah Maning about that, you know, refugee lawyers who’ve, um, previously defended people like, you know, Ahmed Zaoui, and it’s a similar case to that—

GARNER: [interrupting> This is a guy that LIED. This is a guy that LIED on his refugee, ahmmm, application to come—

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Ooh, I’d be careful there. That’s all been disproven. [laughs derisively] So, yeah.

GARNER: You tell me what ‘e DID.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Sorry?

GARNER: You tell me what ‘e DID.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Ahmed Zaoui?

GARNER: No, not Zaoui. No I’m talking about—

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Oh I’m sorry.

GARNER: I’m talking about this RWANDAN, ahhhmm, who was here in New Zealand that you were—

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: That’s an ongoing case and there’s suppression orders around it, but he’s being accused by the Rwandan government, um, and sought for extradition. So it’s an extradition case, um, and we were trying to get a fair process around it HERE, so that everyone could present their witness evidence, essentially.

GARNER: Right. Where did you— so you were in AFRICA. You LIVED in Africa, did you?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: In Tanzania, sort of on and off when I worked on cases, yeah.

GARNER: Right. Have you been to RWANDA? Did you go in there and have a look?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Yeah I’ve been into Rwanda, yeah, but the court isn’t in Rwanda, so you go into Rwanda, you speak to witnesses or, y’know, I mean you’re next door, so you go into Rwanda a lot, yeah. But nobody lives in Rwanda and works on the trial.

GARNER: No, sure. Um, and just, just finally, did you ever have a choice, I don’t know how this works, I mean did the U.N. ever give you a choice and say, Golriz you don’t HAVE to work on this if you have any issues with it, y’know morally or ETHICALLY. Did you ever have a choice to say, I don’t WANTA defend this, y’know, this man?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: I certainly don’t have any moral, ethical choice, as does NO lawyer that works on criminal trials, in terms of working for either side. You are there to make the process fair. So to say that there’s a moral problem, you know, to suggest that all of these United Nations lawyers, where the U.N. requires that there is a defense and a prosecution, are somehow, um, you know, morally repugnant, um, is just, it is actually offensive, to be honest. I mean, nobody there is denying that a genocide happened—

GARNER: [interrupting] What SOME people—

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: We’re there because we KNOW a genocide happened.

GARNER: Course. Yeah. And what some people are also saying that THEY’re offended by the fact that y-you, y-y-you are in PHOTOS, sort of you know, like a SELFIE with, with some of these WAR criminals, here you are standing with one of these RWANDAN guys who was convicted. Y’know, like a, like a HOLIDAY SNAP!

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: Yeah, he was convicted, but I, well, we believe in innocent till proven guilty, right? So when you go over and you’re representing someone, you don’t treat them like they’re guilty. That would kind of subvert the whole process.

GARNER: But do you take HOLIDAY SNAPS with a mass MURDERER?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: I can absolutely see how it’s jarring to people. But if you actually believe in the system you’re not going there and going, You’re a mass murderer. The minute you start representing them that would be you making the decision for the Court. So it’s not, it doesn’t work that way.

GARNER: Mm.

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: But I can totally see how it’s jarring. And, I mean, it’s a process that not many people would wanna be involved in, but to me it’s really important, as my prosecution work was important. It’s really important that we make sure these trials are fair, so that community can actually rely on those verdicts and move forward.

GARNER: Okay, look, um, Golriz, um, we’d better GO-O-O-O. I appreciate you coming on the program. Do you REGRET any of, any of your approach, or the lack of coming FORWARD in terms of the public stuff on the Green Party website and your maiden SPEECH? Do you regret that you could have been fuller?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: I mean, I’ve had the Green Party website fixed, but I don’t think, because I’ve been so open and I’ve done all of these interviews, coming out to the election, I think taking all of that in context it was all VERY public. But the thing is, I’m glad we’re having this conversation, because we DO need to have a conversation about what fair trials mean, and what justice means to us. Um so, no, let’s, you know, let’s keep talking about it.

GARNER: That you don’t think you have anything to apologize for?

GOLRIZ GHAHRAMAN: No, as I don’t think anyone working in our justice system has anything to apologize for. We’re all there making the process fair.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/i-ve-been-so-open-golriz-ghahraman.html
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December 2, 2017 7:23pm
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  Morrissey, your post damns her …
  
  The Garner interview makes it clear: Ghahraman should resign and quit NZ politics. She’s toast.
  
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  December 2, 2017 7:33pm
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    Ha ha ha. You make your case as well as Garner does. I bet YOU don’t really mean a word of what you’re saying either.
    
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    December 2, 2017 7:36pm
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    No as others have said, leave her there, it makes her and the Greens an easy target.
    It also makes it harder for her to ask for anything eg more refugees, more criminals, more social engineering
    
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    December 2, 2017 9:10pm
- nasska
  
  If bullshit was rubber she’d bounce off the moon.
  
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  December 2, 2017 7:36pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha. Somebody write that one down, please!
    
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    December 2, 2017 7:37pm
Monique Watson

You Are A Cunt by KatMcSnatch

https://youtu.be/0doSWS0Fj24
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December 2, 2017 7:29pm
Monique Watson

FBI launches investigation into Antifa Criminals (Daily Caller and Newsweek). Parody video:

https://youtu.be/Ih_crCAA3M8

Antifa gets violent at Trump protest at Laguna Beach.
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December 2, 2017 9:01pm
nasska

A man and his girlfriend were driving out in the country when they got a puncture. Getting out, the boyfriend was about to start changing it when he spotted a farmer sitting on his horse , rolling a smoke. He told his girlfriend that he would make the farmer change the tire and for her to just wait there.

“Hey arsehole, get down off of that horse and come over here and change this tire” he said.

The farmer continued to roll the smoke and ignored him.

“Hey shithead, I told you to get over here and change this tire or I’m going to kick your arse.”

The cowboy looked at him and then said” I’ll tell you what, mate”. “I’m going to finish my smoke. Then I’m going to get down off my horse, kick your arse and make you change that tire while I fuck your girlfriend”.

“And,I’m gonna make you hold my balls up off of the hot tarseal while I do it”.

As they were driving on up the road, the girlfriend says, “that farmer was pretty tough, wasn’t he baby”?

“Nah, he wasn’t so tough”, said the guy.
“Did you see him flinch every time I dropped
his balls onto the hot road?”
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December 2, 2017 9:04pm
Monique Watson

Navy Pilots disciplined for Sky Penis

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/01/navy-pilots-disciplined-for-sky-penis/

What an effort guys. America Fuck Yeah!

he pilots responsible weren’t stripped of their wing insignia but were put on a 6th month probation.
Incidentally the call sign of the squadron commander is Navy Cmdr. Brendan “Tess” Stickles
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December 2, 2017 9:23pm
gorse

Late into the debate, but just looked at Stuff and note articles about the 33/38 page document, the Green MP, and Peter’s sly “you’re fat” comment being reported in a fair way. Has the media finally turned on these ah’s??
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December 2, 2017 9:56pm
Manolo

Meanwhile in NZ, PM Ardern and Minister Robertson, Nobel Prize of Economics, are planning to inflict higher taxes on us:
https://apnews.com/6a409d3266be46dcaa2f1267fd947a12/Senate-OKs-tax-bill-as-Trump,-GOP-near-big-legislative-win
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