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pdm

29/12 – a slow day?

Not likely.
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December 29, 2017 8:02am
- Humble Capitalist
  
  No not likely. Ive got 18 million trees to plant by sundown.
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:22am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    If I miss my year end tree target Ive been told I might face the sack. Not bothered to be honest as whatever happens its `homes for all’
    
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    December 29, 2017 8:34am
    - Peter
      
      And free ballet. In the regions.
      
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      December 29, 2017 10:04am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        Ballet to the regions will lift 20 thousand out of poverdy didn’t you know?
        
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        December 29, 2017 11:10am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        The regions are gonna be so sick of winning that Poverdy Bay will need a name change
        
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        December 29, 2017 11:24am
      - ztev
        
        They are just wanting to continue the ballet and symphony touring we had under national
        Isnt that a good aim?
        No it was never ‘free’
        
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        December 29, 2017 11:27am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Peter, while I am able to see much virtue in the proposal of moving the RNZB from Wellington, I see some issues:
        1. Don’t you know the regions outside of Wellington are all full of cultural philistines?;
        2. Giving the plebs culture might mean they’ll stop listening to the MSM & worst of all, stop listening to the proclamations of Taxcinda.
        
        Other than that, I don’t have a problem with your good idea & besides it might mean we in the regions are less of an impoverished back water waiting for the next talentless pop star from abroad.
        
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        December 29, 2017 11:59am
      - sooty
        
        Late again ztev.
        
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        December 29, 2017 3:16pm
- igm
  
  Can’t be too slow, Fairfax Filth are too busy to report on yet another Muslim mass murder by suicide bombers. Seems they must be under orders from Crockery and Pike River Little to suppress any adverse publicity referring to these mongrels. Cannot await the day when Fairfax Aus announces closure of its NZ operations . . . they must be trading insolvently.
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:50am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/100232522/suicide-bombers-attack-kabuls-cultural-centre-killing-at-least-35
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:12am
  - oldpark
    
    IGM
    Shame the fake news Fairfax mongrels just for once printed some truth on what really is happening in NZ.
    As not reported on Boxing Day and slowly being revealed.
    NZs so called PETERS “selected” Government has just revealed that many many more Muslims Refugees are coming to NZ.
    A sad indictment of our corrupt Mainstream Media hiding the real news . They must be embarrassed to report that NZs flood gates are now open for a certain type of Refugee.
    The kind that Angel Merkel from Germany allowed in,to destroy the culture of that country.
    Rapes and murders are now a speciality for the so called German Good Samaritam the German Leader,who thought she could make a difference.
    Results are a disaster.
    
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    December 29, 2017 11:04am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Do you have some more information or a link please Oldpark?
      
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      December 29, 2017 12:16pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/12/double-refugee-quota-double-fun/#more-354569
        
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        December 29, 2017 12:22pm
    - igm
      
      I sincerely hope that when there is a Muslim attack here it directly affects scumbags that have organised the arrival of these unwanted murderous bastards. I also sincerely hope that some of the mongrels posting views in favour of these bastards get tossed out of their state houses to make room for each one and his many wives.
      
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      December 29, 2017 4:42pm
      - RF
        
        As they say….. you an’t seen nothing yet…
        
        Just wait for these bastards to turn us into the shit hole of the South Pacific…..
        
        Jesus Christ… just look at where Australia is heading as that will be us in years to come.
        
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        December 29, 2017 5:22pm
  - oldgolfer
    
    I fancy it won’t be long before shutters go up.
    
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    December 30, 2017 5:10am
- waikatogirl
  
  LOL HC, thanks for the morning laugh.
  You’d better get busy with your planting then.
  Welcome to KB!
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:12am
  - Humble Capitalist
    
    cheers WG youre welcome! Its smoko break now which is why Im replying. Ive been told I’m now entitled to as many breaks during the day as I want and double time at the weekends some collective thingy that the foreman got us to sign. Also a meal allowance which I plan to spend down the boozer later on.
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:59am
    - pdm
      
      Aahh – but how much are your union fees?
      
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      December 29, 2017 10:08am
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        that’s between me and the nice man that told me to sign the sheet
        
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        December 29, 2017 11:12am
    - GazzaW
      
      HC, I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, however, you just like Shane Jones have seemingly overlooked that planting pine trees is very similar to that of carrots or radishes and you have to plant five seedlings for every one that will grow to maturity. They have to be thinned at some stage. Your revised target for today is therefore ninety million.
      
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      December 29, 2017 12:09pm
      - Humble Capitalist
        
        Thanks Gazza I’m glad you pointed that out before we knocked out the first million. 90 mill eh? I’m going to become a very rich socialist out of all of this. Champagne for all
        
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        December 29, 2017 1:16pm
- oldpark
  
  Not likely if what has been reported on another blog site. An announcement on Boxing Day,that NZs Peters elected Government,have just revealed that the flood gates for many more Muslim Refugees into NZ has now been confirmed.
  Christian Refugees seems are not on the shopping list.
  Wonder what other evils Peters has agreed to quench his lust for power.What a disgrace.Nuff said.
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:47am
  - ztev
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    What secret ?
    It was the election policy!
    “Looking after victims of war and disaster
    Labour will increase the refugee quota to 1,500. ”
    
    National was going to increase it as well, to 1000 per year. And a non specific program called ‘community sponsorship’ to allow even more
    https://www.national.org.nz/immigration
    
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    December 29, 2017 11:16am
freemark

Not such a good few days for camping..:(
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December 29, 2017 8:02am
- Viking2
  
  Nah, been a bit cold in the middle of the Island but not raining now so soon the sun will come.
  Peaceful and quiet.
  Sun just peeking through the clouds.
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:09am
- convicted radical
  
  Lit the fire last night.
  10 c at 6pm!
  Was cosy, :^)
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:48am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Theres good days for camping?? Who knew 😀
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:33am
  - GazzaW
    
    …..even the thought of glamping is a step too far for Mrs GazzaW 😉
    
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    December 29, 2017 12:13pm
  - Viking2
    
    Any day camping is a good day. Rain Hail or shine. 😆
    
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    December 29, 2017 12:44pm
Manolo

Obama lovers, Trump haters:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/pew-trump-media-three-times-more-negative-than-for-obama-just-5-percent-positive/article/2644448
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December 29, 2017 8:04am
Captain Mainwaring

So Maggy, is your weather reminding you of the winters you spent in Island Bay?
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December 29, 2017 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Indeed Captain.
  
  Heater and Electric Blanket on last night.
  Feather Duvet back on bed.
  Just cleared a fallen branch from the driveway.
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

For trolls wishing to become General Debaters:
Do not overstate the power of your argument.
Show a willingness to publicly acknowledge that reasonable alternative viewpoints exist.
Be willing to publicly acknowledge and question one’s own assumptions and biases.
Be willing to publicly acknowledge where your argument is weak.
Be willing to publicly acknowledge when you are wrong.
Demonstrate consistency
Address the argument instead of attacking the person making the argument.
When addressing an argument, do not misrepresent it.
Show a commitment to critical thinking.
Be willing to publicly acknowledge when a point or criticism is good.
https://judithcurry.com/2017/12/28/jcs-unmotivated-reasoning/#more-23718
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December 29, 2017 8:07am
- Viking2
  
  Better still go to the standard and leave us adults to our fantasies. 😆
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:11am
  - Peter
    
    Neoliberal
    Climate denier
    Capitalists
    Greed
    Landlords
    The employed
    John Key
    John Key (again)
    
    Standard bingo. It’s not a great game, as any post chosen at random is likely to contain most, if not all, of these phrases.
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:09am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Fine words Maggie,
  
  the final 5 in particular stand out:
  
  ○Demonstrate consistency
  ○ Address the argument instead of attacking the person making the argument.
  ○ When addressing an argument, do not misrepresent it.
  ○ Show a commitment to critical thinking.
  ○ Be willing to publicly acknowledge when a point or criticism is good.
  
  All too often people revert to personal abuse, hysteria, emotives, appeals to authority & ad hominems when they can’t sustain a logical and rational debate. Much easier you see to shut down the speaker than address what is being said.
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:27am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD TWo0
    
    “Show a commitment to critical thinking. ” ??
    
    Like Holocaust denial and 9/11 an inside job (especially the role of the big international Jewish conspiracy ) etc , etc
    
    LOL !
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:46am
    - holysheet
      
      Note to Stoooooopidboy. Learn the basics of English grammar. Instead of all this daily headbanging you do, try going to a school that teaches the basics before coming on here with the adults. We can only take so much of your childish writing.
      
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      December 29, 2017 10:16am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Stephieboy,
      
      The truth is like a lion; you don’t have to defend it.
      Let it loose; it will defend itself.
      
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      December 29, 2017 12:24pm
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD TWO , postings from the Ministry of Truth and newspeak !
        
        LOL
        
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        December 29, 2017 2:38pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Stephieboy, here is a good debunking of the Holocaust myth:
        
        https://katana17.wordpress.com/2017/12/28/probing-the-holocaust-the-horror-explained-transcript/
        
        Excerpt from.the introduction:
        
        Another question is; why? Why would organised jewry need to create such a hoax, known as the “Holocaust“? The answer is that it:
        
        1) Fulfils jewish religious prophecy of a “Holocaust” or “burnt offering” of six million jews. This will then apparently lead to the return of a jewish Messiah and the establishment of jewish rule over the world.
        
        2) Provided a sympathy pretext for the establishment of the jewish State of Israel despite it resulting in the Palestinians being dispossessed of their lands through terror.
        
        3) Demonizes any form of White nationalism. At first only the “Nazis” were blamed for the “Holocaust“, but then all Germans were, and now the blame for the “Holocaust” is placed on all Whites. Any White group, political party, organisation, etc., that attempts to look after White racial interests by, for example, rejecting mass non-White immigration, is implicitly, or on a sliding scale, explicitly accused of being “Nazi“.
        
        Capiche?
        
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        December 29, 2017 5:53pm
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD TWO .
        
        , that is Anti Jewish polemic. Not evidence I prefer these kind of facts
        
        Interview with an Auschwitz Guard
        
        ‘I Do Not Feel Like a Criminal’
        
        As a young man, Jakob W. worked in the watchtowers of Auschwitz. Charges against him were recently dropped, but he described to SPIEGEL what it was like to be a cog in the Nazis’ horrific machinery of death.
        , that is Anti Jewish polemic not evidence . I prefer this kind of evidence/ testimony of this kind ,
        
        http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/spiegel-interview-with-a-91-year-old-former-auschwitz-guard-a-988127.html
        
        The Life of an Auschwitz Guard
        During WWII, Oskar Groening watched as hundreds of thousands of Jews were sent to their deaths. Is his prosecution now too little too late?
        
        By LAURENCE REES July 13, 2015
        
        https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/oskar-groening-auschwitz-guard-120036
        
        Besides you have never accounted for the disappearance of Poland’s 2.3 million Jews and Russia’s 1,5 million under Nazi occupation.
        
        Nows your chance !
        
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        December 29, 2017 6:19pm
- Jack5
  
  From Maggy’s link this is worth noting, too:
  
  There are five attributes of ideologues:
  1. Absence of doubt
  2. Intolerance of debate
  3. Appeal to authority
  4. A desire to convince others of the ideological “truth”
  5. A willingness to punish those that don’t concur.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:26am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    A willingness to punish those that don’t concur.
    
    For those that weren’t around last night…
    For the first time in 57 years a man threatened to smack me with a ruler if I did not concur with his bidding.
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_28_december_2017.html#comment-2107809
    
    I concurred.
    
    The last time I was ever smacked, I was 8 years old and it was legal in state schools to strike talkative girls with a ruler.
    
    It is now not legal to smack anyone in NZ, stephieboy.
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:16am
    - holysheet
      
      You didn’t learn much then Maggy. You are still very talkative here, and it’s good to see.
      
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      December 29, 2017 10:31am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There’s always some folks who want to shut me up though.
        
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        December 29, 2017 10:41am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Not us Maggy – that is, provided you do as we wish or be slapped with a ruler 😉
        
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        December 29, 2017 10:52am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Sounds like Aqualung is starting to flirt with a bit of the old S&M.
      
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      December 29, 2017 12:08pm
    - stephieboy
      
      House Science Committee Hearing Pits Three Fringe Climate Deniers Against Mainstream Climate Scientist Michael Mann
      By Ben Jervey • Wednesday, March 29, 2017 – 11:45
      
      “.. Curry has admitted to receiving funding from fossil fuel companies while at Georgia Tech, and she is frequently cited and quoted by climate skeptic blogs and fossil fuel-funded politicians for her stance that the climate is “always changing.”
      
      https://www.desmogblog.com/2017/03/29/house-science-committee-hearing-lamar-smith-michael-mann-climate-consensus-deniers
      
      Sigh ! Sad too !
      
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      December 29, 2017 4:38pm
      - Ross12
        
        Read a bit more widely Sb and you’ll find those evil “fossil fuel” companies also fund those on your side of the climate debate. They pore millions into the anti coal crusade because it suits their purpose –their investments into gas.
        Look up where the guy Steyer ( ardent Clinton supporter and AGW supporter) made his money.
        
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        December 29, 2017 4:46pm
  - stephieboy
    
    jack5 , definitely the hallmark signs of a conspiracy theorist and Islamaphobic ( 57 Muslims living in Dunedin pose a clear and present danger )
    
    Aye !
    
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    December 29, 2017 2:40pm
- stephieboy
  
  M W,
  
  Judith Curry a scientist’s who supports Trump
  
  https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/02/scientists-for-trump/516033/
  
  Are you one too ?
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @stephieboy,
    I have told you before, I am a NZ citizen.
    
    As a public servant, I affirmed an oath of loyalty to QE2 and the NZ Government.
    
    I do not, never have, and never expect to interfere in the politics of any other nation.
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:27am
    - stephieboy
      
      Good to here you don’t mind others not sharing your wacky climate denial belief system .
      
      Aye ?
      
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      December 29, 2017 2:41pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        stephieboy,
        Feel free to produce one bit of evidence that shows I have ever denied that the climate changes.
        
        Feel free to produce one example where I have demanded/ coerced/threatened another person to believe anything.
        
        Feel free to explain why I should put up with abuse about my personal life, be threatened with violence, be labelled a piece of shit, called an alt-righter (aka neo-Nazi), just because I think climate science is not a settled science.
        
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        December 29, 2017 2:51pm
      - sooty
        
        Different stupid boy on shift today.
        
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        December 29, 2017 3:20pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW and the same with you . When have I coerced or abused you ?
        
        Examples ?
        
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        December 29, 2017 4:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Memory problems stephieboy?
        
        Feel free to research the background to these links
        
        1. https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/03/general_debate_6_march_2016.html/comment-page-2#comment-1679104
        
        2.
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/02/general_debate_23_february_2017.html#comment-1879017
        
        3. https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_29_december_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2108014
        
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        December 29, 2017 5:42pm
      - stephieboy
        
        M W., in every case my responses or comments were phrased in forms of questions and / or points for clarification .
        
        Not attempts to besmirch or abuse you . I’m not responsible in the way you might misconstrue or distort what I’ m saying .
        
        The facts remain it appear’s that Judith Curry has been in the pay of fossil fuel interests . If true it renders her points as either hypocritical or meaningless .
        
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        December 29, 2017 6:25pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Good to here you don’t mind others not sharing your wacky climate denial belief system .
        
        So in your “belief system” the above is not abuse.
        
        So in your “belief system” it is perfectly acceptable to order someone to do something or they will be smacked?
        
        How would you feel if some anonymous person said they would smack you or your wife over?
        
        I abhor violence.
        I do not support jokes or otherwise about using violence.
        
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        December 29, 2017 6:49pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You are a liar.
        You insult everyone and hiding behind a question format doesn’t change that.
        You threatened Maggy with violence yesterday and she should have complained to DPF
        I know she has in the past but suspect her email address gets blocked as spam.
        Well I know mine doesn’t because my complaints have worked- eh Stephie!?
        Call yourself a Christian. You should be ashamed.
        
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        December 29, 2017 6:49pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Maggy
        Cyber bullying and harassment is an offence under the Harmful Digital Communications Act.
        https://www.consumerprotection.govt.nz/consumer-law-and-your-rights/online-safety/harmful-digital-communications-act/
        Glancing through your links it looks like you have enough evidence against Stephie.
        If DPF is not getting your emails because of a spam blocker (do you have an xtra address- they often go to spam) then print them all out and mail him a letter.
        
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        December 29, 2017 7:08pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        All_on_Red
        
        I now only send complaints to DPF when an abuser brings a 3rd party into the discussion.
        
        Perhaps stephieboy thought it was funny/smart by stating that I would be smacked if I didn’t copy out his words.
        
        If so, he might like to read this:
        https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/threats-and-those-who-make-them-taking-them-seriously_us_59947999e4b055243ea134f2
        
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        December 29, 2017 7:26pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Interesting link, infact scary
        Does DPF respond? If he doesn’t, it means he’s not getting your email.
        I find him very responsive, and he has admitted problems with emails going astray
        I think Stephie is worse and given the content of your link I think I might write to these guys.
        http://www.saintalbans.org.nz/ministry-team.html
        They will know him given he skited about doing the Reading on Christmas Day
        ( refer his comment on the 24th)
        Be easy to show them that comment, then copies of what he says to you and us all and leave it with them (lol)
        I suspect an intervention might be in order…
        
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        December 29, 2017 9:31pm
  - Longknives
    
    Game,Set and Match to Maggy…
    
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    December 29, 2017 5:53pm
Manolo

Al Gore, ensconsced in his warm mansion, must be writing a sequel to his two comedies:
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/another-arctic-blast-poised-to-usher-in-2018/70003663
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December 29, 2017 8:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  UK under frigid weather warning also
  http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42506716
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:14am
  - stephieboy
    
    MW, yes thats right . Climate change features a chain of extreme weather events !
    
    Next ?
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:24am
    - Peter
      
      “Extreme” compared to what period, Stephie?
      
      And once you’ve identified that benchmark period, what happens if the current weather events are not extreme? Does that indicate AGW is a non-issue?
      
      Do tell.
      
      I’ve yet to hear a AGW proponent define the benchmark against which we are measuring “extreme”
      
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      December 29, 2017 12:55pm
    - KevOB
      
      Not according to the IPCC!
      
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      December 29, 2017 4:08pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Conveniently the Chicken Little alarmists morphed from “Catastrophic Global Warming (give me all your money)” to “Any extreme weather event proves I’m right (give me all your money)”.
      
      PT Barnum couldn’t have come up with a better con.
      
      The good news is as we enter the Maunder minimum and the world gets colder and sea levels fall due to the huge increase in the soon to be non-existent ice caps you can still claim this is the result of “catastrophic” climate change. But you keep on hallucinating, it’s the best way to protect yourself from admitting the facts don’t support your feelings (again!).
      
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      December 30, 2017 10:03am
- Viking2
  
  Plenty cold up north.
  
  http://www.jma.go.jp/en/gms/largec.html?area=6&element=0&time=201712282340&mode=JST
  
  The red is high wind speed. Yesterday across Greenland it was at 125MPH.
  You can move the globe around with your mouse.
  
  https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-37.27,59.08,483/loc=-28.342,55.668
  
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  December 29, 2017 12:53pm
- RF
  
  Apparently Gore’s jet is currently sitting on the Tarmac with its engines running waiting for the invite from our neurotic commie chic.
  
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  December 29, 2017 5:31pm
Don the Kiwi

Well, that’s what global warming does – freezes everything up.
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December 29, 2017 8:18am
- holysheet
  
  What do you expect when the world is long overdue for another ice age? We are about 130,000 overdue according to the experts. The world goes through a period of heating up (global warming), then plunges into a quick period of cooling, resulting in the ice age.
  Don’t be surprised if one day in the not too distant future, you wake up to continuous snowing.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:09am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It could be starting soon
    http://notrickszone.com/2017/12/28/7-new-2017-papers-forecast-global-cooling-another-little-ice-age-will-begin-soon/
    
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/897472/ice-age-global-warming-climate-change-solar-minimum
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:14am
    - holysheet
      
      Thanks for that Maggy. But the climate change alarmists will still have us believe all this change in the world climate is ALL down to human activity.
      
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      December 29, 2017 9:24am
      - stephieboy
        
        Yes , 7.6 billion of them can have an effect !
        
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        December 29, 2017 10:26am
      - holysheet
        
        Here begins the lesson stoooooooooopidboy.
        Yes , 7.6 billion of them can have an effect ! should be;
        Yes, 7.6 billion of them can have an effect!
        See you can come on here and learn something everyday.
        
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        December 29, 2017 10:39am
      - cmm
        
        stephie: Are you going to do your bit to reduce the numbers?
        
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        December 29, 2017 11:25am
    - Psycho Milt
      
      It could be starting soon
      
      We’d better fucking hope so, because nothing we’re currently doing is going to limit global warming anytime soon.
      
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      December 29, 2017 10:48am
      - pdm
        
        Milt that is because you cannot fight against NATURE!!!!!!
        
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        December 29, 2017 12:47pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  This can only be stopped by more tax. The climate will only achieve 100% stability when tax is at 100%
  
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  December 29, 2017 3:07pm
- Piniwi
  
  True DtK but Donald Trump has got the SJW in a spin with his tweet saying “we could do with some of that Global warming”. This while they are having the coldest winter in some regions on record.
  
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  December 29, 2017 5:18pm
big bruv

Anybody see that nice Aussie Muslim boy Usman Khawaja claim that ‘catch’ last night?

Cheating Aussie bastard was the term that came to mind.
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December 29, 2017 8:25am
- G152
  
  An Australian sportsman cheat?
  What ?
  Surely you jest..
  The Aussies would never be so underhand..
  /sarc off
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:32am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Khawajah wasn’t sure so he asked for the TV replay, which said he’d caught it.
    By all means bash Muslims for the usual things, but this was not one of them.
    
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    December 29, 2017 8:35am
- JIV
  
  The first thing that came to my mind was Greg Dyer. You just cant trust an Aussie cricketer.
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:32am
  - Sir Leslie Bottocks
    
    nothing like those honest blackcaps eh?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATu1Y3q4SII
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:31am
- doggone7
  
  “Khawaja took control of the ball when he got his fingers under the ball while diving forwards.
  However, as he skidded forward, the ball bobbled up out of Khawaja’s hands.
  From there the camera angles lost sight of the ball as Khawaja appeared to re-gain possession by sandwiching the Kookaburra between his forearm and guts while rolling forward.
  He got up celebrating, but then motioned to the on-field umpires that he was unsure.”
  
  The agreed system was followed and umpires gave the batsman out. So how is Khawaja cheating?
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:43am
  - big bruv
    
    “So how is Khawaja cheating?”
    
    By claiming a catch that he did not take. What’s more, I’m damn sure that he knew he did not take the catch.
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:48am
    - stephieboy
      
      big bruv , like the winning All Blacks get over it and yourself !
      
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      December 29, 2017 10:29am
      - Jack5
        
        That’s gibberish, Stephie X.
        
        And, FFS, stop putting spaces before full stops, commas, and exclamation marks.
        
        Are you fucking ignorant, or are you still getting your head around English?
        
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        December 29, 2017 1:34pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      That argument would work if he HAD claimed the catch bruv. But he didn’t. He signalled to the umpires her was unsure, so it went to the 3rd Umpire. In referring it, the onfield umpire at the bowler’s end gave a soft “out” signal, which meant the third umpire had to find convincing evidence that it was not out. He couldn’t, so the onfield decision stood.
      
      By all means complain about the process by which the decision was reached. But that had nothing to do with Khawaja, or his religion.
      
      On the other hand, full marks to Alister Cook for a magnificent knock,which will doubtless resume at 12.30pm our time. The straight drive with which he brought up his 200 was as pure a shot as anyone could want to see.
      
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      December 29, 2017 10:38am
      - big bruv
        
        KS
        My comment about Khawaja’s faith was a wind up, nothing more than that.
        My comment about his ethics remain, the man the man cheated and he well knows it. The whole “well lets allow the umpires to make the call” is BS, every player knows if they made the catch or not, he would have felt the ball leave his hand.
        
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        December 29, 2017 12:27pm
- Longknives
  
  I’ll just leave this here Bruv-
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zgvjC9WUCs
  
  Pretty much the most unsporting thing I’ve ever seen on a Cricket ground
  *But I guess it’s okay when we do it??
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:45am
  - Jimmy
    
    1. Yes, that is the most unsporting thing ever to happen on a NZ cricket ground.
    
    2. No surprises it came from Brendon McCullum – I’ve never bought into the propaganda that he is lily white, as pure as the driven snow.
    
    3. On the other hand – it couldn’t have happened to a nicer bloke! Muralidaran’s action was the worst (most illegal), bowling action in world cricket, challenged only by Malinga the Slinger (why does Sri Lanka seem to specialise in dodgy bowling actions?) Getting him out in an unsporting fashion is small payback for his several hundred wickets taken in even more suspect fashion.
    
    4. That incident was an aberration in NZ cricketing sportsmanship. Australians, on the other hand, do that sort of thing as par for the course.
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:31am
    - Sir Leslie Bottocks
      
      4. just that one incident? wasn’t even the first time!
      
      http://www.espncricinfo.com/nzvsl/content/story/271912.html
      
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      December 29, 2017 9:45am
      - Jimmy
        
        Fair call!
        
        But, McCullum is the common factor – Australians have an entire team of dirty filthy cheats. Always have, always will.
        
        NZ has had one dirty player in BMac. Australia has had multiple generations of them.
        
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        December 29, 2017 9:52am
      - Sir Leslie Bottocks
        
        bit unfair to put it all onto St Baz! For example with the Murali runout it was up to capt Fleming to do the right thing and recall the batter!
        
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        December 29, 2017 11:30am
      - GazzaW
        
        “Australians have an entire team of dirty filthy cheats”. “Multiple generations of them.”
        
        A bit of an exaggeration Jimmy. I think the English press have suckered you and we saw more than our fair share of them and their ‘impartiality’ during the recent Lions tour.
        
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        December 29, 2017 12:32pm
    - big bruv
      
      Jimmy
      Muralichucker was without doubt a cheat. Malinga however was not.
      
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      December 29, 2017 9:46am
  - big bruv
    
    Knives
    
    1. You of all people know that I am not an apologist for NZ sporting teams.
    2. Given the team that NZ was playing against in that video included a man who cheated his way to 800 test wickets I really dont care how that dismissal looked.
    3. What the NZ team did was NOT cheating, it might have been against the spirit of the game but it was not cheating.
    4. Repeat point 2.
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:45am
    - Longknives
      
      “What the NZ team did was NOT cheating, it might have been against the spirit of the game but it was not cheating.”
      
      Which one could argue about the Underarm Incident!
      *Yet One-Eyed NZ Cricket fans have been howling and wailing about that for decades..
      
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      December 29, 2017 10:18am
      - big bruv
        
        Knives
        
        You’ll get no argument from me re the underarm delivery. It was at the time within the laws of the game. Had Howarth decided to bowl underarm in the same circumstances he would have been hailed as a hero by NZ fans.
        The underarm, and Bodyline for that matter were legitimate tactics at that time, they only had to be changed because of incessant Kiwi and Aussie moaning.
        
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        December 29, 2017 12:23pm
- cmm
  
  Taqiyya isn’t cheating. It is part of the rules. Just not the rules of cricket.
  
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  December 29, 2017 11:27am
Michael

I’m glad to see the mainstream media are picking up on Anna Muzychuk. You’d think Lorde is a bastion of virtue of “standing up for what is right” by not going to Israel. I’m more inclined to think that Ms Muzychuk is a real defender of human rights.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/100233879/chess-champion-refuses-to-defend-titles-in-saudi-arabia-in-womens-rights-protest

P.S. Where is the BDS campaign for countries that are essentially governed by Islamic Theocracies? The case of Ali al Nimr in Saudi Arabaia must be the grossest violation of human rights – being sentenced to death in a kangaroo court for setting up a message board to discuss desired reforms and for being related to another dissident.
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December 29, 2017 8:31am
- Psycho Milt
  
  I’m more inclined to think that Ms Muzychuk is a real defender of human rights.
  
  It seems like a principled action. Not in the same league as Lorde’s though, because there won’t be a horde of social-media trolls and media OP writers abusing her for it, and there won’t be a powerful group of sports industry executives demanding that she reverse her decision and implying consequences if she doesn’t.
  
  P.S. Where is the BDS campaign for countries that are essentially governed by Islamic Theocracies?
  
  Beats me. Have the people living there asked for one? And you’re always free to start one yourself, of course.
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:24am
- Southern Raider
  
  Maybe the Arabs are scared.
  
  Imagine the family insult of being beaten by an Israeli Jewish girl
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:34am
Digmen1

I see that there has been some really cold weather in the USA and Canada.
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December 29, 2017 8:43am
- geoff3012
  
  Sorry…downticked by mistake
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:12am
- Gabby
  
  It’s winter over there you know dicman.
  
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  December 29, 2017 6:55pm
Digmen1

We’ll soon be able to make a list of the ten worst things Jacinda has done in her first 100 days.
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December 29, 2017 8:51am
- convicted radical
  
  Most can be boiled down to, “doesn’t know when to shutup.”
  
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  December 29, 2017 8:53am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Or to just a simple ‘doesn’t know’
    
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    December 29, 2017 1:26pm
- VicParking
  
  The biggest problem will be boiling them down to 10.
  Achievements however will be simplier: A large majority of the 100 day promises were to set up some sort of group to discuss and decide on a plan of action. You cannot call these achievements. The balance won’t be activated till some date in the future so you can’t say they are achievements either.
  If you dont count selfies and those things that National had already started, finding ten achievements will be hard.
  e.g. The local copy of the failing newspaper waxed lyical about a long awaited dontation to Whanganui’s white elephant (Art Gallery). It was pointed out that the donation had already been approved by National but the left wing Labour Council held the annoucement over so they could attribute it the Jazinda.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:21am
  - ztev
    
    Funny the media were waxing about the payment back in 2016
    “The heritage-listed Sarjeant Gallery will receive $10 million towards its $35m redevelopment and seismic strengthening project and the Whanganui Museum will be given $400,000 for its own renovations.”
    Even the local arts connoisseurs were in on the announcement
    “Whanganui MP Chester Borrows made the funding announcement in the city today alongside former Arts Minister Chris Finlayson.”
    
    Two problems though, Chesty was forced into early retirement (they wanted less pale males) and the date the money would come through was Dec 2017!
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/318860/govt-commits-$10m-for-whanganui%27s-sarjeant-gallery
    
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    December 29, 2017 2:29pm
- Happychappy
  
  I am still waiting for Winston First to take all that tax off cigarettes to help the unfortunate and poor people that have to buy all them stolen packets that they can afford. Maybe he is going to renig as he has had to stop smoking for health reasons.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:39am
  - VicParking
    
    My local supplier has given up on selling dope. “More money to be made in selling stolen ciggies”
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:04am
- holysheet
  
  Taking lessons from the master?
  
  https://teejaw.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Obama-Middle-Finger.jpg
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:02am
  - VicParking
    
    Our All Black coach is the past master of the one finger salute when the cameras swing onto him.
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:07am
Happychappy

How can people and MSM keep blaming poverty and the rich for people making bad decisions and prioritizing for the future. I am sick to death of people with agendas blaming people like Hart a richlister for other people’s hard luck. I think Stuff and other media outlets won’t be happy until they have created friction in the National Party and their members to the same degree that was apparent in Labour for the last nine years with their blaming of National for the massive rise in our so called poverty crisis.
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December 29, 2017 9:08am
- Paulus
  
  Well if it is poverdy McD in Taupo is chocka with young families – obviously not having any signs of poverdy who would all appear to be in no way impoversriched.
  Many were local families with many young children
  who did not appear to be on too many benefits.
  It was a pleasure to see so many families still enjoying themselves – hope it can last.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:25am
- Digmen1
  
  Lets face it, everyone I know would like to be rich.
  Some would live the high life, some would give to charity and family etc.
  But everyone would like to be rich.
  But for you or I to get rich, we have to get money from someone else. eg
  Our employer, a business, buying and selling, developing property, making music, inventing something, inheriting it, being a politician (!), selling drugs, robbing a bank.
  So that means that there will always be a few at the top and a bigger mass lower down.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:36am
  - holysheet
    
    You left out hard work, and a little bit of luck.
    There is a saying, “The harder I work, the luckier I get”
    Get It?
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:49am
- holysheet
  
  If anything the left should be extolling Hart as a boy who has done very well. From a panelbeater to a richlister in a short lifetime is something anyone should aspire to.
  But no, they will be so full of hate and envy. So sad.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:37am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Hart is another, like Key, ‘working class’ traitor who didn’t appreciate his station in life. Fight the good fight with all the other Waitakere men. How can Hart look himself in the eye knowing his hard work has put him among the rich. What sort of individual deserts their fellow working class mates. //sarc off
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:13am
    - ztev
      
      Working class ? Thats a myth Harts father was more middle class , a radiographer.
      That sort up job now pays up to $98k for someone worth more than 10 years experience.
      
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      December 29, 2017 2:38pm
- VicParking
  
  A prime example of a bad ecomonic decision is the large number of people from Hamilton, Tauranga and the Winny North who jumped in their Cars!! and drove to Auckland for a free feed.
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:10am
  - holysheet
    
    Ah but these are exactly the ones who will gladly pay the extra fuel tax and then bitch and moan about how poor they are. Just wait for goofy to put the fuel tax up. Jafas will never get over it!
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:22am
    - KevOB
      
      Solved: the real reason for the Auckland fuel tax. It’s to make it uneconomic for these people to travel to the charities in Auckland. That’s to leave the way open for Jacinda to take over from the Salvation Army and the City Mission.
      
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      December 29, 2017 4:16pm
  - Harkman
    
    Yes it is the same thing each year, have lunch with family, pass out from over eating and watching hyperactive children run around with what “Santa” got them, wake up, go home and flick on the news and there are a pile Labour voters (if they remember to vote) getting some more stuff for free. Can’t wait till next year. I bet it’ll be the same next year but leftists may rename the poor as “lonely.”
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:29am
  - KKKKatee
    
    These people make me sick. There is absolutely no way I will ever put my hand in my pocket and donate to the City Mission or any other Charity for that matter. It’s become a joke and the bludgers sure know how and when to line up and rip off the system. They are a disgusting mob indeed.
    And the silly PM urges us to help these losers out?
    Don’t think so. All this means is that the bludgers had more money in their pockets to stock up on booze/drugs etc.
    
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    December 29, 2017 11:17am
    - holysheet
      
      Well arn’t you in for a big shock soon then. This thing we call a govt is just months away from forcing you to help these losers.
      IT’S CALLED TAX INCREASES.
      Take from the rich pricks and give to the loser dickheads.
      
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      December 29, 2017 11:52am
      - KKKKatee
        
        And that’s exactly why I will not support any charities in the future. The Govt has cancelled my tax cut. So in future, I will be looking after myself and I don’t give a stuff if the ‘poor’ can’t eat for a week. They can certainly afford to fill their fridges to overflowing with booze; they can afford to feed their mongrel dogs; they can’t afford to feed their kids; they can afford to drive from A – B etc. etc.
        I don’t get on the booze, I don’t do drugs, I don’t have not 1 but 2 or more dogs to feed; don’t smoke. The list goes on.
        
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        December 29, 2017 1:15pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Aaahh KKKKatee.
        
        In the words of the Speights beer ad:
        
        “She’s a hard row to hoe to find the perfect woman, son.”
        
        Sounds like you just about make the grade. 🙂
        
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        December 29, 2017 3:01pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        ‘She’s a hard road finding the perfect woman boy’.
        
        I can’t remember any kiwi ever saying ‘tough row to hoe’. Americanism.
        
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        December 29, 2017 7:38pm
      - sam green
        
        Let’s hope you kkkkatee never need the services of some of the very fine charities that operate in this country.
        
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        December 29, 2017 7:39pm
  - doggone7
    
    How many was that and how do you know?
    
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    December 29, 2017 12:30pm
    - ztev
      
      They ‘know’ , they always do… I think they hear it over the back fence or ~~Hosking~~ leighton Smith tells them so.
      
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      December 29, 2017 2:40pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Cheers VP that helps to explain the fuel shortages in Auckland as the put in just enough to get home.
    
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    December 29, 2017 5:29pm
kevn

JA…. a Masters in finger wagging and virtue signalling.
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December 29, 2017 9:08am
Swifty

Hey Morrisey – still waiting from yesterday on what was the motivation of the Trades Hall bomber.

Waiting…..
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December 29, 2017 9:17am
- VicParking
  
  Don’t incourage them. I don’t want another day of RSI from down ticking.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:25am
- Morrissey
  
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  Muldoon had stirred up anti-union hatred for years. In the same way that mob violence against women and minority groups has been legitimized in the United States over the last twelve months because it has been shamelessly advocated by the man at the very top, ceaseless attacks by Muldoon on the unions prepared the ground for extreme acts like bombing the Trades Hall.
  
  I can imagine your attitude if anyone had been prepared to use violence against the Federated Farmers or the Business Round Table.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:25am
  - Swifty
    
    In other words you don’t have a clue.
    
    Thought not.
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:30am
    - Morrissey
      
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      Ha! I go to the trouble of discussing with you why a rabidly anti-union zealot would feel encouraged to commit that act of terror, and all you can do is scoff and flippantly dismiss it.
      
      Anyone can see which of us has a clue and which of us does not.
      
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      December 29, 2017 9:35am
      - Swifty
        
        What is your evidence the bomber was a ‘rabidly anti-union zealot’?
        
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        December 29, 2017 10:12am
      - sooty
        
        Morris marina.
        Its never been you.
        With a clue!
        Haaaa, haaaa!
        
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        December 29, 2017 10:18am
    - Gabby
      
      Sweaty / sooky, you have inside information?
      
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      December 29, 2017 1:15pm
      - Swifty
        
        Yeah I do have some inside information actually.
        
        Keeping Stock sidled up to me he other day and told me, just quietly, that you are a prize dickhead – and that you come here and call people names to compensate for your little peepee.
        
        Anything else you want to know?
        
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        December 29, 2017 2:46pm
      - Gabby
        
        Did he sound really smug sweaty? He usually sounds really smug. What does sooky reckon?
        
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        December 29, 2017 6:52pm
  - VicParking
    
    Blaming Muldoon ??? You can’t blame him, either by action on incitement for the Trades Hall bombing. The made a lot of bad decisions in his time but that is stretching things a bit too far.
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:33am
  - Jack5
    
    I wonder if the $50,000 reward is still on the table?
    
    Did Muldoon advocate mob violence against trade unionists? I don’t think so.
    
    Don’t forget Muldoon was a real socialist, Morrissey. Price controls, State Think Big projects … Muldoon was one of yours.
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:35am
    - sam green
      
      Do you know something about it Jack5?
      
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      December 29, 2017 12:39pm
rangitoto

Mathematics is racist folks.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/24/white-privilege-bolstered-by-teaching-math-university-professor-says.html
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December 29, 2017 9:35am
- Digmen1
  
  So are farmers markets in California according to annother “news article”
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:39am
- Jack5
  
  Wait till she finds out that modern electronics – the whole electronics, including computers and cellphones – was built on the work of a real big daddy believer that whites are smarter than blacks. That scientist was William Shockley.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:40am
  - holysheet
    
    False news surely.
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:44am
    - Longknives
      
      This just cant be true.
      Hollywood made the movie ‘Hidden Figures’ last year stating that the ONLY reason NASA made it to the Moon was because Black women were better at Maths than Whites..
      Surely Hollywood Filmmakers wouldn’t lie?
      And where does this leave the Professor Rangitoto links to??
      
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      December 29, 2017 10:27am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5 , your brain superior to Blacks ?
    
    In what way ?
    
    About William Shockley
    
    “Despite having no training whatsoever in genetics, biology or psychology, Shockley devoted the last decades of his life to a quixotic struggle to prove that black Americans were suffering from “dysgenesis,” or “retrogressive evolution,” and advocated replacing the welfare system with a “Voluntary Sterilization Bonus Plan,” which, as its name suggests, would pay low-IQ women to undergo sterilization. Although his theories were universally condemned by biologists as racist pseudoscience, Shockley partly succeeded in rehabilitating eugenics as an ideology by providing the foundations for a new, more politically savvy generation of academic racists, including Arthur Jensen, Richard Lynn and Charles Murray….”
    
    https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/individual/william-shockley
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:31am
    - Manolo
      
      Easy, stephieboy. Some of us darkies claim to be relatively smart. 😀
      
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      December 29, 2017 10:48am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Gregor Mendel, through his work on pea plants, discovered the fundamental laws of inheritance. He deduced that genes come in pairs and are inherited as distinct units, one from each parent. Mendel tracked the segregation of parental genes and their appearance in the offspring as dominant or recessive traits.
      
      And Mendel had a degree in what?
      
      A degree does not infer intelligence
      
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      December 29, 2017 1:35pm
    - Jack5
      
      Stephie X, I don’t know that skin colour correlates to intelligence.
      
      But I believe a group’s intelligence relates to its culture.
      
      From this, Stephiestanis are way, way, way down the group intelligence list.
      
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      December 29, 2017 1:40pm
    - GoVege
      
      Shockley was a moron for going about it the wrong way.
      He should have just advocated groceries for contraceptive injections/whatever.
      The trouble with brown/black guys is a sizeable percentage are sexists, and feel no compulsion to support their women and children.
      No wonder the kids don’t do so well, and are mis-diagnosed as “low IQ”.
      
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      December 29, 2017 3:11pm
  - cmm
    
    Yes but all that electronics is made from silicon, which is made from sand. That sand was stolen from brown people by white people.
    
    If the white people hadn’t stolen the sand then the brown people would have a thriving electronics industry and white people would still be living in bushes and eating each other.
    
    Or something like that.
    
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    December 29, 2017 11:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Tell your kids and grandkids to grab some of that white privileged maths with both hands.. coz there are quite a few non-white countries that are creaming us at maths.
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2016/11/29/revealed-world-pupil-rankings-science-maths-timss-results/
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:57am
- MrLovebucket
  
  It’s also sexist 🙂
  
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  December 29, 2017 3:28pm
hmmokrightitis

Rolling in to central RotoVegas this morning for coffee and breakfast (the salmon bagel at Capers, highly recommended) with The Blond, kids in the back of the Jag. Small Maori boy at the lights, must have been around 9 or 10 years old…

Him: (leaning into passenger window, big grin all over his face) Whoa, nice car bro, what is it?
Me: Jaguar
Him: Awesome! Does it come with the blond?

Still laughing. So much wit, and with a massive grin.
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December 29, 2017 9:48am
- Huevon
  
  Good to see the kid has aspirations. Maybe the Treaty settlements, cultural renaissance, self determination stuff is having a positive effect.
  
  It was that long ago that in the same situation he would have just called you a rich prick. You need to go to Grey Lynn for that experience nowadays.
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:07am
  - holysheet
    
    It was that fuckwit “call me sir'” Cullen that first used that name here. Talk about a bloody hypocrite.
    But this is what we have become used to from the left.
    
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    December 29, 2017 10:26am
    - ztev
      
      yes he did, after Keys low and dirty attack on Clark being childless
      
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      December 29, 2017 11:04am
      - hmmokrightitis
        
        Stating a fact is an attack? Wow, snowflake, much?
        
        Im sure Hulun has a love child hidden away somewhere.
        
        Sorry couldn’t help myself, had a bit of a giggle about that 😀
        
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        December 29, 2017 11:26am
      - holysheet
        
        Forgive me all, but to paraphrase stooopidboy, ztev have you got a link to that?
        
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        December 29, 2017 11:57am
      - ztev
        
        Which John Key ?
        A lovably uncool dad, goofing off on the breakfast TV couch?
        A proudly vicious parliamentarian, sticking the knife in at Question Time?
        A political genius with an uncanny knack for understanding voters better than they did themselves?
        Or a cautious conservative who avoided the real issues?
        Take your pick, he was all of those.
        
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        December 29, 2017 2:06pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Key’s?
        
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        December 29, 2017 4:53pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Did someone say “rich prick”?….
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/dam/form-uploaded-images/Max-Key-John-Key-dab-1120.jpg
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:54pm
- Gabby
  
  Did the blond piss himself laughing.
  
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  December 29, 2017 1:19pm
Swifty

I have not read a more confused, contradictory, lefty bunch of drivel in some time:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/100220542/new-zealand-isnt-working

Well, not since yesterday anyway 🙂
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December 29, 2017 10:18am
Stars And Stripes

Went for a walk on the coast yesterday and given what I saw I would say it’s a miracle that our drowning statistics are not much worst.
A group of coolies in full garb swimming in rough seas, a couple of Orientals standing on a small rock face fishing while large waves were breaking over them and finally some fat ugly blob standing up in a tiny dinghy shouting to his equally ugly wife on shore that he needed more bait and beer.
Makes you proud to be a Kiwi.
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December 29, 2017 10:20am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I’m happy for Darwin’s theory to work on consenting adults, but it’s the kids’ lives carelessly thrown away that rip my ration-book.
  
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  December 29, 2017 11:26am
  - cmm
    
    Evolution works on genes. The kids are part of that.
    
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    December 29, 2017 11:39am
    - ztev
      
      Random mutations of genes can occur in any part of your life.
      Thats what they will tell you when you get leukemia
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3407563/.
      
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      December 29, 2017 2:46pm
  - holysheet
    
    Levis, Wrangler or those cheap and nasty imports?
    
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    December 29, 2017 12:45pm
- Gabby
  
  Where’re you pretending to be these days starBubba?
  
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  December 29, 2017 6:47pm
sooty

The coiltion of fools is going to double refugee numbers to 1500 in 2018.
Golly G says it will go to 4000 over 4yrs.
Edit tv1 26th dec.
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December 29, 2017 10:22am
- Digmen1
  
  We need to fight this.
  
  Expose her as economic migrant.
  And tell all our MP’s that we do not want more refugees.
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:47am
- Digmen1
  
  I’d rather call them the COB.
  
  Coalition of bastards.
  
  We are the losers under their regime (or soon will)
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:49am
  - KKKKatee
    
    I’ll add another adjective – mongrel.
    COMB’s – Coalition of Mongrel Bastards.
    
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    December 29, 2017 11:25am
- KKKKatee
  
  So did the COL have a mandate to do this? There goes ‘houses for all’ as declared by Ardern. So my guess is that all these people will end up living in Auckland where there is already a huge housing crisis. So where the hell are they going to put them? More importantly, what about the people who will be bumped down the housing list in order for the refugees to get a roof over their heads? Wonder what they’ll have to say about this.
  So the PM’s ‘a house for all’ rhetoric is just bullshit after all. I knew that anyway.
  
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  December 29, 2017 11:23am
  - Psycho Milt
    
    So did the COL have a mandate to do this?
    
    Assuming you mean the current government, the answer is “Yes.” You may recall we had a general election a few months ago. It should be familiar to you, as it’s the same mandate the last COL had for all the things it did.
    
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    December 29, 2017 1:45pm
    - starboard
      
      Talking shit again PM..how unusual.
      
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      December 29, 2017 1:58pm
  - ztev
    
    Mandate ?
    
    Its there is labours election manifesto, its only 2 lines so even you could understand
    ““Looking after victims of war and disaster
    Labour will increase the refugee quota to 1,500. ”
    
    National wanted an increase too, 1000 plus more sponsored refugees- that too was in their manifesto
    
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    December 29, 2017 2:21pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Did she say all ‘current’ NZers?
    
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    December 29, 2017 4:55pm
- Humble Capitalist
  
  Winston will stop it…oh hang on a minute..
  
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  December 29, 2017 11:35am
- cmm
  
  If Golly said it then it must be true!
  
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  December 29, 2017 11:39am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I thought she was more well known for being untruthful
    
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    December 29, 2017 12:20pm
- Jack5
  
  No more Muslims! Why are we accepting UN discrimination against Middle East Christian refugees?
  
  Christians are being persecuted in Myanmar-Burma, too, just as Muslims are. But the refugees that the Left allow in from there will be totally Muslim.
  
  Have politicians stabbed NZ in the back? No debate about the second great ethnic re-organisation of NZ (the first was marked by a treaty and civil war of white v. brown). Now no debate about refugee ethnicity and numbers.
  
  MPs think we are too dumb to have any worthwhile opinions.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:37pm
Jack5

Fight brews over track on hill near Havelock North.

The local tribe wants it removed. The Radio NZ report says:

“… Ngati Kahungunu leader Ngahiwi Tomoana said the track disfigured a mountain which depicted the reclining figure of an ancestral chief.

In response, Rebecca McNeur has organised a petition, signed by 6100, calling for the Hastings District Council not to remove the track.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/347158/woman-fights-to-keep-controversial-te-mata-peak-track
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December 29, 2017 10:23am
- Colville
  
  Craggy Range have said they are removing it, nothing to do with the council…. except it was the council that fu*ked up by not consulting before granting the consent.
  
  Craggy range have really been shat on from a great height for doing a good deed.
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:59am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Tell Ngahiwi Tomoana that the track represents a chiefly tattoo that he should be honoured his departed chief has accepted it.
  
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  December 29, 2017 11:16am
  - softail 1450
    
    don the kiwi,no it’s much more simple ,just get the Maori words for “craggy range ” and rename the place , works every time ,with a couple of hundred thousand for ngahiwi of course,guaranteed to work .
    
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    December 29, 2017 11:57am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      It’s only Hawkes Bay, who gives a f**k?
      
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      December 29, 2017 8:31pm
VicParking

One of our local councillors, wrote a letter to the paper praising himself and the other, so called, right wing councillors for all the hard work they did in the last year. He praised our 2% rates increase, failing to mention that the way the rates are structured in Whanganui the rich got a 1% increase and the poor a 5%-6% one. He also stated “the council still delivered across-the-board targeted levels of service”, failing once again to mention that the council achived its goals by reducing these targeted “levels of service”. It was clearly stated in the rates striking process that the only way council could bring the rates rise down to 2% was to reduce the levels of service in a large number of areas. Less mowing of parks and less maintence of water and storm water. Not in the rich suburbs however but only in the poor and out of the public eye areas. Shame on you. You and your group of four stood to make a change but soon realised that the trough is bigger than your principles.
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December 29, 2017 10:28am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Indeed Vic; the so-called Gang of Four has rolled over on most of its promises and kowtowed to what is otherwise a Labour-dominated council.
  
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  December 29, 2017 10:42am
EAD_TWO

If Jews are really a powerless helpless “minority”, they’re not doing very well at hiding it after forcing Breitbart to fire a writer who tweeted about reading a book that examines Jewish Power (Kevin McDonald’s Culture if Critique)

People need pause and to think critically for just a moment………….

There’s literally hundreds of Politicians in power, + thousands of journalists writing who owe their position to their views on white “racism/supremacy/privilege,” but 1 person merely recommending a book that examines Jewish power is enough to get one fired from Breitbart:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/28/the-real-reason-breitbart-abandoned-pro-white-paul-nehlen/

https://mobile.twitter.com/pnehlen/status/946035473700540416
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December 29, 2017 11:44am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Take a step back.
  Think about this.
  Paul Nehlen posts that he’s reading a book, and twitter goes crazy, he’s denounced and vilified.
  For saying that he’s reading a BOOK.
  He didn’t say he LIKED the book.
  The reaction is crazy.
  
  #cultureofcritique
  
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  December 29, 2017 12:20pm
RF

The up side of the holiday period is that we do not have to listen to “Fang” preaching to anyone stupid enough to listen to her. I do not miss the mispronounced slurpy speech and marvel at the stamina of loverboy who has to put up with her tantrums.

One of my Labour cronies was once boasting about her being an asset to the party. He is not so positive now and concerned she could turn out to be a liability. He did confirm that they were surprised the dwarf chose them as they were totally unprepared.
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December 29, 2017 12:03pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/12/double-refugee-quota-double-fun/#more-354569

Old Park earlier referred to another blog that had some information on refugee increases in NZ.

Apologies to post another blog link here but it is an interesting read.
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December 29, 2017 12:23pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/kiwis-urged-extend-hand-friendship-new-zealands-refugee-quota-set-double-in-2018

Kiwis URGED to ‘extend a hand of friendship’ as New Zealand’s refugee quota set to double in 2018

HELEN, GOLRIZ, JACINDA, all UN poodles.

It is now time for a new right wing party to be formed that will annihilate these traitors.
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December 29, 2017 12:28pm
- starboard
  
  An import wants to bring in a shitload more imports?
  Did the rude bitch ask Kiwis what they thought of this?
  No, didnt think so.
  
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  December 29, 2017 1:55pm
  - Digmen1
    
    No the Greens campaigned on it.
    And the MSM media kept telling us that there could be a Labour Greens NZ First coalition.
    
    So this is what we now have.
    
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    December 29, 2017 2:02pm
    - ztev
      
      So did national campaign on a quota increase -to 1000, PLUS a vague additional ‘sponsored’ program.
      
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      December 29, 2017 2:08pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Not enough?
        
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        December 29, 2017 5:15pm
  - stephieboy
    
    starboard , who out there in the real mainstream world takes your hysterical tirades seriously ?
    
    Do you think Jacinda ( let alone Bill English and Winnie ) take note your tantrums and sulking ?
    
    Back to your playpen with you !
    
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    December 29, 2017 2:49pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Who anywhere takes anything you say seriously.
      Hey Ralph, I’m looking forward to your reading on the 28th.
      Should be funny to watch you.
      
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      December 29, 2017 3:10pm
    - Jack5
      
      Definitely Mum Stephie is rostered on today at Stephiestani Trolls Inc.
      
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      December 29, 2017 3:13pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Wonder if she approves of the porn links.
        They have gone totally manic the last few days.
        It’s crazy.
        Who would have thought Christians like them could be such a bunch of pricks.
        
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        December 29, 2017 3:37pm
- Swifty
  
  I thought there was a goddam housing crisis.
  
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  December 29, 2017 2:53pm
- doggone7
  
  “It is now time for a new right wing party to be formed that will annihilate these traitors.”
  
  So what will you call this new party you are setting up?
  
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  December 29, 2017 4:02pm
RF

Oh dear.. trouble down at mill.

Rural cops working the inland route in the southern lakes area have gone public about the dangerous driving by tourists… One claims that 80% of his tickets are given to tourists….

Unfortunately their Boss in Timaru does not agree and has told them to shut up as he believes local drivers are worse.

This is the touchy-feely line given by Police HQ in Wellington.

Surely the cops working at the coal face are in a better position to know the true story.
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December 29, 2017 1:21pm
- ztev
  
  That should get the blogs going…
  How often does the guy in Timaru get out along the main tourist routes?
  
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  December 29, 2017 2:10pm
  - doggone7
    
    He does that after reading the stats so he is informed in what he says.
    
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    December 29, 2017 4:01pm
- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha Good Old PNHQ are pretty damn quick to shut up anyone who doesn’t drink their Kool Aid!
  
  *That Cop in the story better watch his back- He looks like the ‘Pale,Male and Stale’ kind that treacherous Mike Bush is so openly trying to phase out of his Police Force…
  
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  December 29, 2017 2:23pm
- Gabby
  
  What %age of the drivers are tourists rf rf.
  
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  December 29, 2017 6:44pm
Stars And Stripes

Intellectually disabled man granted residence visa
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/western-leader/100243068/intellectually-disabled-man-granted-residence-visa
“A severely intellectually disabled man who was served a deportation order has now been granted a residence visa for New Zealand, his father says”.

So how many dollars is this vegetable going to cost to look after?.
Dirty bludger should never have been allowed here in the first place let alone stay.
New governments version of less immigration is becoming obvious.
Less skilled or wealthy immigrants but more refugee grubs, handicapped and general wasters.
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December 29, 2017 2:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  Star and Stripes , of course it would be differed if it was a blues eyed rellie of yours .
  
  Yes ?
  
  Otherwise yet another example of alt right hysterical blather .
  
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  December 29, 2017 2:53pm
  - Swifty
    
    There’s lots of young muslim girls at St Lukes today – just picked up a couple of shirts at Rodd and Gunn.
    
    Was that you standing outside JayJay’s about 2pm in that long coat?
    
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    December 29, 2017 3:29pm
    - Gabby
      
      Wasn’t that your mum sweaty
      
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      December 29, 2017 6:40pm
- GoVege
  
  You….j..j..j..j..erk, Stripes!
  If you or one of yours got hit by a truck or born handicapped, maybe you might learn a little compassion.
  Personally, I’d far, FAR rather shell out for this lovely family than the hundreds of serial breeders who drag up a dozen kids to become illiterate crims and gang members.
  
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  December 29, 2017 2:54pm
  - softail 1450
    
    govege you’ve missed the point ,if a NZr was hit by a truck we might have so many of these people in the place that the funds wouldn’t be available to help the truck victims ,if this is so good for us lets advertise in India for 10,000 such folk and then we will really feel better about ourselves and our country .FFS.
    
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    December 29, 2017 3:25pm
    - GoVege
      
      That’s B/S Softie.
      Indians are among the hardest working people in this country.
      And we are not bringing in “10,000” handicapped people from overseas.
      While the hard-hearted Nats were in power, they sent back young disabled people to die, even when their relatives had raised the money themselves for their care or operations.
      And I don’t think I whinge on about poverty here.
      If the average citizen on a low income restricted their family to two kids, there would be no poverty.
      Being broke is the natural result of having too many kids.
      Though I don’t blame the women as much as the chauvinist males who demand their women have at least 6 kids just in order for them to do them the favour of sticking around.
      Or stupid old throw-backs like Tariana Turia who brain-wash her followers to have kids from the age of 13 because it’s “our fertility”, and stuff the futures of all those young Maori girls.
      
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      December 29, 2017 6:35pm
  - Swifty
    
    Grow up.
    
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    December 29, 2017 3:30pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Stephieboy and Go Vege.
  I don’t give a stuff if they guy is white/black, nice/bad etc.
  The fact is New Zealand should not be the dumping ground for the worlds handicapped as we should be looking after NZ citizens needs first not everyone else’s.
  You guys are the first to whinge about so called poverty in this country but then you are happy to bring other countries vegetables here to use up taxpayer dollars caring for them.
  Wake up and smell the daisies.
  
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  December 29, 2017 3:08pm
- Swifty
  
  The father has planned this.
  
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  December 29, 2017 3:29pm
  - Digmen1
    
    And as the word gets more and more out there around the third world, they will target us even more.
    
    Free money! its heaven.
    
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    December 29, 2017 4:06pm
    - Harriet
      
      Yep.
      It’s much easier to argue for residency standing in front of a wheel chair with leftist doctors and snow flake nurses, than standing in front of commercial buildings on Manus island with guards and govt security officials.
      
      The ambassador should be called and asked to comment on the need for this person to be in NZ. The practise will immediately cease.
      
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      December 29, 2017 5:29pm
      - Swifty
        
        Exactly.
        
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        December 29, 2017 5:34pm
      - GoVege
        
        The need for them to be in NZ?
        They would die back in their homelands which can’t afford medicines etc.
        Didn’t you hear a NZ citizen visiting Samoa recently died of dengue fever while waiting for medicine to be sent over from here?
        
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        December 29, 2017 6:38pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”recently died of dengue fever while waiting for medicine to be sent over from here?”…..
        
        Maybe they hadn’t heard of travel insurance.
        
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        December 29, 2017 6:55pm
      - GoVege
        
        Nasska: What use is travel insurance if the hospitals in the location you are visiting don’t have enough medicine?
        
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        December 29, 2017 9:40pm
    - GoVege
      
      The only ones from overseas after “free money” are the Muslims who spend too much time in their mosques to have time to work, and can’t afford to support 4 wives and 20 kids on one income.
      Most other races only have one wife and two kids.
      Except for some Polynesians who have an extra wife supported on the DPB, despite claiming to be Christians.
      Then we have the tangata whenua who believe a woman is not a “real” woman until she’s produced 10 kids, starting at 15.
      They are costing us WAY more than the occasional disabled Indian kid.
      
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      December 29, 2017 6:49pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”They are costing us WAY more than the occasional disabled Indian kid”…..
        
        When the word gets out that we’re a pack of idiots who throw money at every sob story dished up how do we keep such events “occasional”?
        
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        December 29, 2017 6:53pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        “The only ones from overseas after “free money” are the Muslims who spend too much time in their mosques to have time to work, and can’t afford to support 4 wives and 20 kids on one income.”
        
        So whose f***ing problem is that?
        Not ours.
        
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        December 29, 2017 8:38pm
      - GoVege
        
        Captain: that’s exactly why we don’t need people here who don’t share our values…like monogamy, gender equality, atheism/ agnosticism / Christianity.
        
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        December 29, 2017 9:42pm
  - Gabby
    
    He done in the grandparents did he sweaty
    
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    December 29, 2017 6:42pm
- igm
  
  Where do you think Labour/Greens access their voting base?
  
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  December 29, 2017 4:31pm
- MrLovebucket
  
  He will be a Green MP before you know it.
  
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  December 30, 2017 5:51pm
Ross12

For those following the Russiagate rubbish here is an interesting piece
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-28/what-happens-when-russiagate-skeptic-debates-professional-russiagater
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December 29, 2017 5:06pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Parts of Canada are currently colder than the North Pole or Mars.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42506726
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December 29, 2017 5:47pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Living in Canada. Thank the flying spaghetti monster I live in BC!! It is miserable out there.
  
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  December 29, 2017 6:11pm
- nasska
  
  …..”currently colder than the North Pole or Mars”…..
  
  They might have to scale back the carbon taxes a tad lest we freeze to death.
  
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  December 29, 2017 6:25pm
virtualmark

Amazing story at https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/27/nyregion/new-york-city-crime-2017.html

First paragraph:

It would have seemed unbelievable in 1990, when there were 2,245 killings in New York City, but as of Wednesday there have been just 286 in the city this year — the lowest since reliable records have been kept.

Basically serious crime in New York has dropped to levels not seen since at least the 1950s.

Interestingly, there seems to be no firm conclusions on what’s led to the improvements. Some say better policing, some say an improving economic situation. Perhaps both?
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December 29, 2017 5:59pm
- stephieboy
  
  Virtualmark , surely this fellow should claim the lions share of the credit ,,
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_de_Blasio
  
  In the same way Trump supporters claim the President single handledy defeated ISIS .
  
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  December 29, 2017 6:34pm
  - Jack5
    
    A friendly piece of advice to the Stephiestani troll team ….
    
    If you’re still planning moving on to Australia, don’t leave it too long. Canberra is likely to shut back-door entry from NZ, and fairly soon.
    
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    December 29, 2017 9:43pm
- Digmen1
  
  One theory is that criminals have realsied that with longer sentences, they are not going to be able to enjoy the finer things of life whilst in jail.
  Eg tv, movies, phones, playstation, girls (real girls) etc etc. Not much point in having a million dollars in cash stashed away if you cant enjoy it.
  
  Three strikes and you are in!
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:07pm
nasska

Quick survey…do you think there’s too much rugby on TV?

Jiggle your tits for YES or scratch your nuts for NO.
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December 29, 2017 8:09pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, and far too many adverts during the end of movies, and too many holidays fro them all, and too much pay.
  So for that reason – I no longer watch tv.
  
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  December 29, 2017 9:08pm
Manolo

All because of peaceful Islam:
https://www.amny.com/news/new-year-s-eve-times-square-security-1.15652461
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December 29, 2017 8:57pm
Digmen1

Yes lots of extra cost and inconvenience.
So who is winning the war.
If there were no muslims in the west we would all be better off.
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December 29, 2017 10:01pm
Rodney Randall

http://massey.academia.edu/MurdochStephens

So this is the bleeding heart liberal behind double the refugee campaign.

http://www.doingourbit.co.nz

https://www.facebook.com/AreWeDoingOurBit/
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