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Paulus Gnome

Anything but a repeat of yesterday’s start!

Oh, and WoO
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December 28, 2017 8:04am
Captain Mainwaring

So the 20 year old shithead, three times over the limit, who tried to do a runner after killing a taxi driver with his big black Mercedes CLS after speeding through a red light on Symonds St, was none other than Farshad Bahadori Esfehani, of Mt. Roskill.
Lots of questions over how does a 20 year old raghead get to have a $50,000 Merc, and even more about why a Muslim is out drinking until 5 in the morning.
One of your mates eh Stephieboy?
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December 28, 2017 8:05am
- KH
  
  Jail him. Then deport him.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:07am
  - convicted radical
    
    Perhaps Sharia Law should be applied in this case!
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:51am
- oldpark
  
  See he has been granted bail until February. What is going on . Starting to look he is getting a “free” ride by our so called “Justice” System . Surely not because he is an alleged Muslim.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:10am
  - holysheet
    
    What other reason could it be?
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:15am
    - cmm
      
      The dude is clearly well connected.
      
      He has been given bail so he can slip out of the country and disappear.
      
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      December 28, 2017 8:35am
      - waikatogirl
        
        If that is the intent cmm then I am perplexed. The left seem confused on what they believe in:
        
        – to be rich is wrong, everyone should share
        but this obviously rich taxi murderer is given an easy ride and bail?
        
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        December 28, 2017 8:40am
  - G152
    
    The question should be..
    Who’s his daddy?
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:37am
    - kevn
      
      G152… He may be the one who bought the Merc for his son with no sense of responsibilty.
      
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      December 28, 2017 8:54am
      - ztev
        
        A panelbeaters son ?
        
        Or you can buy one of a number of CLS on Trademe for $10k or under !
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:59am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Only a peasant or Labour Party voter (one in the same I suppose) buys second hand Mercedes Benz. I’m loving my new Twin Turdo V8 E63 Coupe zetev. I hope that fills you with impotent rage, and I get to have a fuck the planet too moment as well.
        
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        December 30, 2017 12:14am
    - Gabby
      
      And does he want a sheep farm?
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:22am
- Psycho Milt
  
  There aren’t really any questions about it. We get a lot of (almost exclusively male) students from Saudi Arabia or other Gulf states, and one of the reasons they’re sent here is so they can sow their wild oats with slutty western girls instead of making trouble for their families at home. Killing an Indian isn’t a big deal from a Gulf Arab pov, but the being-caught-drinking part would be potentially embarrassing, if it hadn’t happened in NZ.
  
  The real question is for us: why do we provide this service for them? Hint: answer is measured in $.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:16am
  - Milhous
    
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    Yes. Foreigners coming here for education is morally repugnant. Adern MUST do something about this.
    
    We should set the example by banning all NZers going overseas . Often these poor kiwis are CHARGED for their education too…..the horror!
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:25am
    - Digmen1
      
      I fully agree with the second sentence!
      
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      December 28, 2017 8:46am
    - ztev
      
      its ARDERN
      
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      December 28, 2017 11:00am
      - pdm
        
        o darn.
        
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        December 28, 2017 11:08am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Who gives a fuck? She’s useless however you spell her name.
        
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        December 28, 2017 12:15pm
      - Paulus
        
        You means Winston’s appointment – not my, nor ever, will be my Prime Minister.
        A schoolgirl being manipulated.
        
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        December 28, 2017 12:57pm
      - Nermal
        
        We’ve had years of hearing “John Keys”. Suck on it.
        
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        December 28, 2017 3:49pm
  - cmm
    
    We sent them a whole lot of sheep to help them sow their wild oats….
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:34am
    - jcuk
      
      unfair to sheep
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:15am
  - MickMac
    
    Psycho
    They did the same in the 70’s on the south coast of britain…
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:42pm
- Huevon
  
  Send him back the to sandy shithole he first crawled out of.
  
  Typical Muslim, no sense of responsibility, running from the scene.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:17am
  - cmm
    
    I’m sure you will find this particular bloke doesn’t live in a sandy shithole.
    
    He probably spends most of his time clubbing in international western cities.
    
    When he’s back in Saudi he lives in an air conditioned mansion.
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:03am
- oldpark
  
  Two cases in court NZ style. Taxi man gets killed by a drunk driver. Drunk driver gets treated like royalty and gets bail until February,
  Man in New Plymouth celebrating Christmas with one extra drink in his system. He gets hungry goes next door to his neighbours house raids his fridge.
  Neighbour calls Police. Man gets arrested for taking two bottle of soft drinks.
  Appears in court charged with burglary. Bail is refused remanded in custody.Until early January.
  Maybe if he had allegedly killed a taxi driver he
  would have been given Bail.
  Seems drunken driving causing death, as against being drunk raiding neighbours fridge with bail refused to the offender deserves a lesser type of judicial consideration.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:31am
  - holysheet
    
    Nah It just shows how we value 2 bottles of soft drink more than the life of an Indian taxi driver.
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:37am
  - Dave Mann
    
    The difference is one of intent. The drunk driver probably didn’t intend tcrash into another car, but the lowlife who broke into his own NEIGHBOUR’S house to steal his property did it deliberately with intent. Thank god I don’t have arseholes like that as neighbours.
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:48am
    - GazzaW
      
      The intent was there the minute he drank over the limit. No one held him down and forced that fatal ‘one for the road’ down his throat.
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:13am
      - waikatogirl
        
        ‘one for the road’. He was 3x over the limit.
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:25am
      - Dave Mann
        
        No. There was no intent there the minute he drank over the limit. Stupidity and lack of self control, yes, but no intention of committing a crime. Big difference.
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:36am
      - Paulus
        
        BUT BUT – Muslims do not drink eh !
        
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        December 28, 2017 12:58pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Or any for that matter.
        
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        December 28, 2017 6:20pm
    - ross411
      
      Hear hear. The guy broke into his neighbours house. That’s a different area than hit and run – can’t be compared. If that bastard lived next door to me, I’d want him to sit and think about it in the pokey as well.
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:25am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Thank you Ross. I don’t like Muslims or their religion, but at least I can tell the difference between intentional burglary and a traffic accident.
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:31am
- Swifty
  
  A shia took out a sunni – makes a change.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:58am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  He’s running around free as a a bird and will likely get to buy his way to staying here, while the victim’s widow and child get a big fat ‘don’t come back’ after they take him to India for burial.
  How do you spell Morally Repugnant?
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:58am
- Chris2
  
  I hope the holiday JP who granted bail took the precaution of forcing the accused to surrender his passport ….
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:53am
  - oldpark
    
    Or even the Holiday JP getting bail for granting such a dangerous drink driving alleged killer bail until February.Wonder should the Holiday JP keep his job.
    With that type of bail decision,should he even be on the bench in the first place.
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:35am
    - ztev
      
      Yes. Running away after the accident should have kept the door locked.
      
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      December 28, 2017 11:20am
  - Paulus
    
    Sure, he can buy another passport with money that remains easy !
    He has already disappeared overseas I would expect.
    
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    December 28, 2017 1:00pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Why? He can leave and never return, we have passport controls.
    
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    December 28, 2017 6:22pm
- Hollyfield
  
  My daughter works in Mt Roskill, so I drive her there and back several times a week. I consider Mt Roskill to be the most dangerous area to drive in Auckland. The speed, lack of consideration for other users, lack of basic courtesy, arrogance, driving straight out of sidestreets, reversing out of angle carparks without checking if a car is behind them, not giving way on roundabouts let alone stop signs and red lights……
  
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  December 28, 2017 10:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Probably just like driving in Mogadishu, without the bombs (yet).
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:42am
    - Hollyfield
      
      My slightly random thought process has gone from bombs to potholes….
      Mt Roskill is also has the most poorly maintained roads in Auckland, from what I have observed. (not counting unsealed rural roads at the north and south of Auckland)
      Potholes, big areas where the road has collapsed under the weight of traffic, roundabouts falling apart with the kerbing missing entirely, probably because of the number of times they’ve been hit by cars (or maybe the kerb blocks have just been stolen!)
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:47am
      - holysheet
        
        Nothing like making these refugees feel at home I guess. Bomb craters arn’t what they used to be.
        
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        December 28, 2017 1:07pm
  - Manolo
    
    It must be a never ending joy to fellow Muslim stephieboy. For sure.
    
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    December 28, 2017 6:58pm
KH

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Israel has been aiding jihadis in Syria. Why ? Good thing they are losing.
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December 28, 2017 8:05am
- Inandout
  
  The earth is flat some say. Why? Because they are insane.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:10am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Assad’ s military support of Hezbollah in Lebanon, with all the rockets they have pointed at Israel means the Israelis will tend to support his enemies no matter how vile.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:37am
Nukuleka

Thanks to srylands for putting me in the direction of Spotify so that I could escape from the ghastly pc style of RNZ Concert with its force-feeding of Maori by white guilt-ridden liberals and its perpetual anti Israel and anti Trump propaganda masquerading as ‘news’.

Only negative thing about Spotify is that when I tried to register for its ad-free option I was presented with three gender options: male, female, non-binary. I refuse to sign up to something that includes a factual falsehood! I’d rather put up with the Spotify ads than concede a matter of principle!

And no, Ztev, stiffie and Morrie I am NOT a ‘snowflake’!
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December 28, 2017 8:12am
- Psycho Milt
  
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  Not a snowflake, no – more like a petulant child.
  
  And re Spotify: there are only two sexes but if the question was about gender, you can be glad they only offered three possible answers.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:20am
  - holysheet
    
    What, only 2 sexes? What planet are you on. Last time I looked there were 70 plus. LGBTwhateverthe fuckyouare is the flavour of the month now.
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:41am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Rest assured, there are still only two sexes, and I am somewhat of a traditionalist here, I am only attracted to the one I am not
      
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      December 28, 2017 8:51am
      - Disaster Area
        
        There are many more sexes than just ‘male’ and ‘female’. Anything that involves the huge number of factors like gestation of an embryo will have a wide range of results.
        
        https://www.joshuakennon.com/the-six-common-biological-sexes-in-humans/
        
        https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/sex-gender-and-sexuality-its-complicated/
        
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        December 28, 2017 9:31am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Can I ask if the people who down tick my post with the links are doing so out of disagreement with the established science?
        
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        December 28, 2017 12:01pm
    - Psycho Milt
      
      What, only 2 sexes?
      
      Well, yes – sexual reproduction in humans remains pretty much the same system it’s been since there were humans. You’re thinking of gender – there can be as many of those as people feel like creating.
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:19am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Fielding Mellish: “I want three children – one of each.”
        
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        December 28, 2017 9:43am
      - Sideoiler
        
        ……… You’re thinking of gender – there can be as many of those as people feel like creating.
        
        Seriously? It’s Male/ Female and mental illness, thats it there is nothing else!!!
        
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        December 28, 2017 12:58pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Agree – even in the [very rare] cases of XXY (Kleinfelter’s) male sex develops, whilst in Turner syndrome (X only with the other damaged or lost) female sex develops. There are physical differences associated with these syndromes though.
        
        Also, before somebody jumps on me, there have only been a handful of cases of true hermaphroditism recorded in humans (both male and female sex organs) but even then, the child eventually decides a gender in time, usually as secondary sex characteristics kick in at puberty (in the old days the Drs would assign a sex and remove the other organs).
        
        In contrast “intersex” is a gendered decision. We don’t yet understand how much of that is nature (genetic) or nurture (choice). Its complex.
        
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        December 28, 2017 1:49pm
- Huevon
  
  In my experience, the classical music scene is the ne plus ultra of batshit crazy leftism. NZSO concerts are full of the kind right-on lib types who go gaga for a non-binary gender option. Time to switch to metal?
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:02am
All_on_Red

Shall we try this?
Interesting column from Scott Adams after he had talks with Hawk Newsome, leader of the NY Chapter of BLM and a senior Republican.
In the link there is a link to a Persicope chat ( about 58 minutes) which lays it out in more detail.
http://blog.dilbert.com/2017/12/11/black-lives-matter-blm-republicans-natural-allies/

‘Ideas from Black Lives Matter – New York
Prosecute and jail police that falsify reports.
Police must call an ambulance if defendant complains of illness.
Voting rights for people in prison
Independent prosecutors for police killings of unarmed civilians.
Comprehensive national database of police shootings.
New York holiday for Day of Remembrance for victims of police brutality.’

‘A Prominent Republican’s Vision for Improving Black Lives (because they matter):
Create safer neighborhoods to attract jobs and create optimism.
Fix school bureaucracies in communities where students are failing.
Create apprenticeships for unskilled adults
Address the opiod epidemic directly and by improving the environment.’

Obviously this ignores the extremism but the common ground is interesting. I do think the last BLM sueggedtion is divisive.
Adams suggested they remember Police killed also.
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December 28, 2017 8:14am
KH

Bed taxes. Queenstown is swamped by tourists and the locals can’t afford the infrastructure. It’s appalling.
A realistic infrastructure bed tax would be in the region of 50 dollars a night. Why not user pays – why should locals be swamped with the costs ?
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December 28, 2017 8:16am
- gump
  
  The last National Government refused many times to implement a bed tax. If you want an answer why – ask Paula Bennett.
  
  http://www.scene.co.nz/queenstown-news/bennetts-bed-tax-blow/
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:33am
  - All_on_Red
    
    They have good reason to stop it. A bed Tax on a med to large Hotel can add $1 million in cost.
    In a low margin business, that’s a lot. And explains why despite the Auckland Council wanting more Hotels, no one wants to do them since they brought on in.
    They don’t work.
    I can’t comment on Queenstown Councils financial situation but in Auckland the answer is cut your costs your wasting bastards instead of taxing the heck out if the things which give the income in the first place.
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:45am
    - gump
      
      If you honestly think that Queenstown hotels are “low margin business” then you are completely cracked.
      
      The QLDC is indebted because it has to provide infrastructure to accommodate over 100,000 people in a town with 17,500 permanent residents. No amount of cost cutting can ever close that gap, which is why pro-business Mayors like Jim Boult have been asking for bed taxes for over twenty years.
      
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      December 28, 2017 8:53am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I have been involved in the development of around 10 Hotels from being a hole in the ground(including a luxury resort and two Apartment Hotel in Queenstown)and reckon I know more about their profitability than a moron like you.
        When you factor in return on investment their profit is low.
        
        As I said I can’t comment on Qtwn but in Auckland bed taxes have killed future hotel growth in a city which could do with 1000 more beds.
        
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        December 28, 2017 9:02am
      - Gabby
        
        But once all the local property owners are absentee billionaires, the rates can go as high as you like.
        
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        December 28, 2017 9:19am
  - flipper
    
    And what would Paula say, Dickhead?
    
    May be she would remind idiots like you that the whole nation benefits from tourists, including those towns where their idiotic Councils would impose a bed tax. Try that crap on their retailers. Lord you must have changed pink specs for deep-shit RED.
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:21am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Calm down flipper. I tend to agree with your view, but you should be capable of arguing your point without the ‘Dickhead’ and ‘idiots like you’…. just saying…
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:54am
    - KH
      
      Tell me a reason locals should pay the costs that tourists stick them with. User pays should be the way.
      As for Queenstown – fewer tourists and more $ extracted from them for New Zealand should be the way. For the next few hundred years
      Currently the situation is literally ” crapping in the nest “. A nest soon to be so crappy nobody will come.
      
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      December 28, 2017 5:58pm
- cmm
  
  Tax is a very blunt instrument.
  
  Tax is friction. Trying to change direction with tax is like trying to use brakes for steering. Sure it is possible, but it is incredibly inefficient.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:06am
- Harkman
  
  One day soon we will kill the goose that laid the golden egg.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:20am
  - GazzaW
    
    Sooner than you think. Look north to Fiji to see the damage tourism taxes have done. Then look north east to Samoa, Rarotonga and even Hawaii to see who has been the beneficiary of Kiwi tourists looking for better value.
    
    On a slightly different note I was at a top Auckland restaurant on Christmas Day and the service was at not quite its normal high standards. On questioning the slightly embarassed owner it appears that his regular European staff who migrate here for the summer peak season have headed to Australia instead as they want to line up jobs there for when Winston introduces his anti-immigration bill.
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:24am
  - KH
    
    In Queenstown the goldern goose has long since been killed plucked and thrown in the dumpster. Wakatipu – once one of the worlds great places. Now crowded and tacky. Buggered it for the locals and buggered it for the tourists as well. And buggered it for the earner it could have been.
    Not clever.
    
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    December 28, 2017 5:48pm
Manolo

It must be the Muslim way of celebrating Christmas:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/huge-explosion-st-petersburg-shopping-11759063

A huge explosion has rocked a busy supermarket in St Petersburg, leaving at least 10 people injured.

The blast happened in the Perekrestok supermarket in the northwest of the city, and shoppers fled in panic.
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December 28, 2017 8:16am
Scott

Amazingly stuff has an article listing the 10 big achievements of Donald Trump. This is amazing because they are usually 95% against Donald Trump all of the time. In the same way they were 95% for his predecessor Obama.

Media bias is such a huge factor in shaping our opinions. Most New Zealanders would say that Obama was a great president and that Donald Trump is terrible.

The reverse is actually true. Under Obama the United States experienced their lowest rate of economic growth for decades, endless wars in which they were not winning, racial rioting the likes of which has not been seen since the 60s and a lack of respect for the United States throughout the world.

After one year of this president the United States economy is booming, Isis has been defeated in Syria and Iraq, racial rioting has almost entirely gone and the United States is totally respected again.

My predictions for 2018 are that the United States economy will boom even more, Trump will begin building a wall to secure the border and the United States will be the major player on the world stage.

However the media will never tell you that. They have given no credit to Trump for the booming economy and the defeat of Isis. That’s why it’s good to go to fair-minded blogs like this one, where you can actually have your say and express different opinions and the moderator is fair and light handed.

Finally I would like to say well done to DPF for hosting such a very good New Zealand blog site!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/100206754/the-10-best-things-us-president-donald-trump-has-done-in-his-first-year-in-office
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December 28, 2017 8:16am
- All_on_Red
  
  Black unemployment down to the lowest since 2007 at 7.3%
  You’ll find the Adams article above talks about how the GOP could capture a large chunk of the African American vote.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:28am
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes I really liked the clips of Donald Trump on the campaign trail appealing to blacks to vote for him. He said what has Obama done for you? Nothing, so why not try me!
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:50am
    - All_on_Red
      
      “What have you got to lose?”
      
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      December 28, 2017 8:59am
    - holysheet
      
      You will find that question being asked here of maori at the next election.
      What has Liabore and the drunken dwarf done for maori?
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:03am
      - VicParking
        
        1 billion trees to plant.
        
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        December 28, 2017 9:17am
      - sooty
        
        How many houses are built? But then they have fixed poverdy, so why would they need many!
        
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        December 28, 2017 4:52pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , you do believe in Biblical miracles like the parting of the Red sea , the Nile into blood etc after al!
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:43am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Ralph,
      On 24 Dec you told us all you would be doing a Reading at StAlbans Church (Anglican in a Catholic way)
      So no doubt you participated in Mass
      So please don’t talk about beliefs when you indulge in such rituals.
      And heres a hint
      On the website Roster your real name is listed as doing the reading you DETAILED and on their face book page also as a ‘like’
      A simple bit of google research reveals everything about you.
      So dumb
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:40am
  - ztev
    
    “how the GOP could capture a large chunk of the African American vote.”
    
    hahaha, ask Roy Moore how that turned out
    
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    December 28, 2017 11:05am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Moore is hardly representative.
      
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      December 28, 2017 11:48am
- LisaGinNZ
  
  Thanks Scott.
  
  I wish NZ media had louder centrist voices. Whomever owns NZ TV and radio pushes anti USA, anti Trump, pro globalist, pro man-made warming tripe stuff DAILY.
  
  President Trump had an excellent 2017. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/12/trumps_momentous_first_year.html
  
  Meanwhile, Lorde sides with bigots, some Auckland parks closed because a few trees are sick, NZ “government” flails ignorant to reality or lies through big teeth and muzzie imports can kill with their cars without punishment.
  
  Oh vey NZ ……… maybe 2018 will get better for NZ… but I have very low expectations…
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:35am
  - KevOB
    
    Whomever owns NZ TV and radio pushes anti USA, anti Trump, pro globalist, pro man-made warming tripe stuff DAILY.
    
    We do! The NZ Government–no the minions actually running the show do as they please.
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:26am
  - stephieboy
    
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    LisaGinaNZ , blinkered American ” Thinker ” could not have said anything else .
    
    Trump is unsurprisingly been defied like the ancient Roman Emperors .
    
    Now which does he resemble ? Caligula ?Nero ?
    
    Take you pick
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:47am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Trump is unsurprisingly been defied like the ancient Roman Emperors .
      
      I defy anyone to make sense of the above.
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:25am
  - Gabby
    
    How dare she side with the wrong bigots.
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:31am
  - Morrissey
    
    ….Lorde sides with bigots…
    
    ?????
    
    I think you meant to write that she’s offsides with the bigots.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMK_npDG12Q
    
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    December 28, 2017 1:42pm
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Most of these things could actually be legitimately claimed by Obama. The US economy has too much lag to be instantly affected by a change of govt. The Trump effect is more likely to be evident in 2018 and beyond. The economy was already on a strong growth path, ISIS was already being defeated when Trump assumes office. Afghanistan is neither better nor worse.
  Also a bit harsh to blame Obama for the GFC. He inherited it from Bush. It is about as silly as the left blaming Key for the large borrowing in 2009 to 2011. Also a product of the GFC (and the earthquakes).
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:57am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Under Obama annual growth never once got past 2%.
    Obamas policies and regulatory creep stifled the underlying strength of the US economy.
    As some have said ‘Obama had his foot on the neck of the US economy’
    Trump has unleashed it- especially how he has wiped out a lot of regulatory restraint.
    So sorry, Obama must bear responsibility for the poor economic results during his term.
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:09am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Just to add. I’m incredulous that the ‘lag’ lasted eight years…
      Sorry, but Obama strangled the economy. He owns the poor results.
      The last two quarters for Trump have been over 3% growth with the Fed predicting over 3% for this quarter.
      It’s the annual figure which counts because continuity demonstrates sustainability.
      The trend is looking promising.
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:33am
    - stephieboy
      
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      All on Wed , poor economic results that der leader has miraculously turned around ?
      
      What brand of magic wand does he use ?
      
      LOL
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:51am
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      All on Red
      You are wrong. 2014 was 2.4% and 2015 was 2.6%. 2016 was less at 1.6%
      The looss of growth was during the GFC (2008 to 2011).
      Even though you do not know the facts, even you would be hard pressed to say Obama was the cause of the GFC.
      The US did far better than Europe in getting out of the GFC largely due to federal borrowing and QE.
      Obama will be seen to be in the mid range of US Presidents of the last 100 years. So far Bush and Harding will be the worst, one for worsening the Great Depression, the other for Iraq.
      
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      December 28, 2017 1:55pm
  - flipper
    
    Not so Wayne.
    Remember Krugman and his predictions for 2017 ? He took a different view, did he not?
    
    The fact is that Obama will go down as the worst president since Harding.
    
    BTW, will the Dow top 25000 this week?
    
    Will it be sustained by confidence and tax cuts?
    Will Trump try to micromanage disputes from Washington instead of leaving matters to professionals?
    
    Will Trump employ a writer of fiction as a National Security advisor ?
    
    Will Trump impose 22 new economy crushing regulations for each cancelled?
    
    Will Trump bow to the climate fraud scam?
    
    Will Trump- allow the 12092 piddle arse nations to dictate to the nation that pays 22 % of the UN budget, and 28% of “peacekeeping” costs?
    
    NOT looking good for you and your beltway panty-waist buddies, is it ??
    
    No Wayne, you really have lost touch !
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:39am
    - stephieboy
      
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      flipper , ” lost touch ” ? Rich irony factor there said be a hot gospel true believer . .
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:53am
    - KevOB
      
      The only thing sustaining the Dow is the FED and money movers. The numbers have no relationship to economic activity.
      
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      December 28, 2017 12:58pm
  - Simon
    
    Economies thrive or flat line based on consumer confidence
    
    With Trump it was like flicking a switch. Obama was terrible and with Trump everyone can see it.
    
    The better it gets under Trump the worse that clown Obama will look
    
    GFC was almost 10 years ago. China offset GFC for NZ but we have had terrible leadership from 1999 onward.
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:28am
  - Scott
    
    Wayne Mapp – totally cannot agree with you that Isis was being defeated when Trump took office. Obama himself said that Isis was a generational problem. Well actually under Trump it didn’t take generations to defeat Isis, it took 12 months!
    
    Trump did a number of specific things that help to defeat Isis. First of all he gave new more deadly armament to the Kurds who were fighting Isis. Secondly he gave local control of the war to the local generals rather than command and control back in the White House. Thirdly he demanded that the generals pursued victory.
    
    So what we saw was a vast increase in pace and intensity of operations. General Mattis concluded that all they had been doing was moving the terrorists from one location to another. He told the local commanders to pursue annihilation of the terrorists where they were.
    
    The result was the generational problem was defeated in Syria and Iraq. Obama said that he wanted to defeat Isis but no one really believed him. Trump said that we would bomb the hell out of Isis and everyone did believe him and he followed through on that promise.
    
    Face it – if Obama’s successor Hillary Clinton was in office Isis would still have the caliphate. Under Trump that wasn’t going to happen.
    
    The great advantage of Trump is that he does fight and he does fight to win. So in Syria and Iraq the coalition forces have won. And that was due to President Trump.
    
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    December 28, 2017 11:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      Scott , a blatant falsehood said by a Trump true believer ( Fundamentalist Christianity and Trump dedication go together .
      
      Trump did not defeat ISIS . They were defeated by a culmination of efforts beginning in 2014 including logistical support for the Iraqi and Kurdish armies , aerial bombardments of ISIS strongholds etc. etc
      
      The claim that Trump defeated ISIS is a gross slur on the Iraqi, Kurd , Shia , Yazdiddi , Iraqi Christians who fought long and hard loosing many, many lives in the process .
      
      Stop posting Joseph Goebbels type Propaganda and lies .
      
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      December 28, 2017 2:14pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I like the USA pruning its UN contribution.
  It’s like parenting teenagers 101 – Sort your shit out and pay your own bills.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:05am
- Harkman
  
  Obama had the slowest average growth since Hoover. Both Bushies were outliers with something like 2.2% but Obama was like 2.0% or 1.9% and he had 0% interest rates throughout! The man was hopeless but the media loved him.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:27am
gorse

I notice over at WO an article on the protection of free speech. I read their moderation rules on posting comments, seems they are not really into allowing free speech themselves in my opinion
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December 28, 2017 8:20am
- 3-coil
  
  Yes, slater is an uber-hypocrite wrt “free speech” on his blog – probably why bugger all bother to read it any more!
  Edit: plus the never knowing which are the paid-for fake news stories too.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:34am
  - Digmen1
    
    He has a lot more readers than many other NZ blogs!
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:51am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      No doubt. But as noted, you dont ever get to find out which stories are paid-for plants; digs at someone because of a jilted lover, or genuine news.
      
      The morally bankrupt imposing rules on freedom of speech, whilst decrying the lack of freedom of speech. You really cant make that shit up.
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:30am
    - ztev
      
      WO uses the services of Indian click factories.
      
      Most popular pages on the NY Times? The recipes!
      
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      December 28, 2017 11:11am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Absolute balderdash.
        Click factories … Pfft.
        
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        December 28, 2017 6:57pm
    - G152
      
      Comical turns are like that. They always get more casual pass through views
      
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      December 28, 2017 11:21am
- Liberty
  
  “WO an article on the protection of free speech”
  Cam supporting free speech has to be a wind up.
  Liberty is a proud member
  Of the “Purged from Whale group”
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:57am
  - Paulus
    
    Its WO’s blog – he can do whatever he likes so if you do not like the rules of the club do not join.
    
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    December 28, 2017 1:14pm
    - Liberty
      
      Paulus
      You miss the point.
      I might have been purged
      But I don’t want to post on whale.
      The site is now tainted with NZF minions and has lost its mojo
      
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      December 28, 2017 3:17pm
- Morrissey
  
  The fat man jumped on me the very first day I appeared on his blog, in late December 2012. After two temporary bans, I flamed out in 2014, after saying THIS to something called “Molon Labe” ….
  
  MORRISSEY: Don’t want to pay your taxes and don’t believe in government? Go to Somalia, halfwit.
  
  [MOD this person is now blocked for trolling and personal insults. CAUTION: Do not reply. REMINDER: Anyone who responds to trolls is likely to be blocked as well as the response generally inflames the situation. Be glad all I did was delete your comment. Now, move on. ]
  
  Pete: [MOD] Oh, and now you are trolling and attacking someone personally. Thanks for playing. Goodbye.
  
  https://disqus.com/home/discussion/wobh/whaleoil_general_debate_10/#comment-1491927869
  
  David Farrar is a far brighter, better read, better informed person than Cameron Slater—that’s obvious to anyone who has heard each of them speak. He seems able to understand that a plethora of voices—as long as they remain reasonably civil—only makes a forum stronger. Cameron Slater, on the other hand, jumped on me on the very first occasion I posted on his site; he took offence at a mild crack I had made about his friend John Banks….
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/12/saturday-general-debate-21/
  
  I am sure there’s a correlation between intelligence and tolerance. What do others think?
  
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  December 28, 2017 10:10am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    What do you have against fat people Morrissey? Did someone large steal your girlfriend or something?
    
    Fat-shaming is not OK; just ask Dr Cat Pause
    
    http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/expertise/profile.cfm?stref=402040
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:40am
    - Morrissey
      
      I don’t care that Slater’s fat. The problem is that he’s nasty and stupid. How stupid? Well, stupid enough to put himself in THIS situation….
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUdYgBhF9-w
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:48am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Two points:
        
        1) Your first words were “The fat man…” which suggests you DO care.
        
        2) It wasn’t Slater who banned you. It was Pete Belt, his hired gun. I don’t know Mr Belt from a bar of soap, so I can’t tell you whether or not he’s fat. But you could at least get your fa(c)ts right 😉
        
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        December 28, 2017 11:39am
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks for that, Keeping Stock. Mr Belt, was it?
        
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        December 28, 2017 12:02pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Morris, a few people would be pleased to meet you in a boxing ring. Fair fight and all, but I figure you would be unlikely to have much chance of winning. More likely knock your opponent down with your whining. ?
        
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        December 28, 2017 1:24pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Ha ha ha! Waikato Girl, I LIKE you.
        
        Perhaps you’d like to drop round to Chez Breen one of these days for a “sparring session”…..
        
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        December 28, 2017 1:36pm
      - MickMac
        
        Now that I’d like to see, Morrissey fatlipped by a chick.
        
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        December 28, 2017 8:57pm
  - notrotsky
    
    “I am sure there’s a correlation between intelligence and tolerance. What do others think?”
    
    As you are one of the least tolerant third rate stenographers on the inter webs and give all the appearance of high level brain injury I’m inclined to agree.
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:55am
  - Liberty
    
    Morrissey
    Being told to FO. Is not the same as being purged.
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:55am
    - Morrissey
      
      I was purged, Liberty. Purged like an Old Bolshevik in Russia during the 1930s. Purged like a Capitalist Running Dog in China during the 1950s. Purged like a —- hell, you get the picture.
      
      I was purged.
      
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      December 28, 2017 12:01pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hi Morrissey.
        You should have a look at the post on Scott Adams up above.
        He does praise what Colin Kaepernick has started and how persuasive he was and provides a guide to what he should do next.
        Given the movement is clearly dying he should do something soon.
        
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        December 28, 2017 12:05pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks, Red, I’ve just read it, thanks to your urging. It’s pretty anodyne, complacent writing, I must say. Adams is a pretty good cartoonist, but he’s no Joe Sacco or Daniel Clowes.
        
        As for your point about the “movement” dying: it’s hardly surprising that the owners would find a way to force most of the players to obediently be quiet. There’s still the problem of the 24 who refused to take part in the North Korean style loyalty ceremony the other day. What’s going to be done about those guys?
        
        Colin Kaepernick, meanwhile, has better things to do. I reckon that when he finishes his current round of celebrity appearances and award acceptances, he should play a much more exciting kind of football, where his brilliant running would be an asset. Imagine Kaepernick turning out for the Auckland Blues or the Queensland Reds or, even better, for Stade Toulouse.
        
        Rugby footballers have a history of social and political activism; Colin Kaepernick would fit right in….
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WV9ixJD_yg
        
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        December 28, 2017 12:52pm
      - Liberty
        
        Morrissey
        You are dreaming
        There was a time Whale was in tune with heartland NZ. A total different spectrum Compared to your agenda.
        
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        December 28, 2017 2:00pm
      - Morrissey
        
        The “Whale” as you call him was in tune with the “leaders” of the National Party—hell, he and his crony Jason Ede ran a character assassination campaign out of Key’s Beehive office—but not with the heartland of New Zealand. Most New Zealanders find the likes of Slater utterly repellent.
        
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        December 28, 2017 2:07pm
      - Liberty
        
        Morrissy
        “Most New Zealanders”
        Do you mean the pinkos who only got around 35% in the last election. who then shifted their comrade in arms . So they could get into bed with the devil with its piddly 7% to gain power.
        
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        December 28, 2017 2:54pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    You might have lasted longer without the halfwit bit. Didn’t you read the site rules, or are you just too half-witted to understand they applied to you?
    
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    December 28, 2017 7:08pm
flipper

Michael Goodwin may be a known Trump supporter, but he provides much needed balance against the unmitigated garbage distributed by the WP/NYT/LAT/MSM electronic media including the Beeb Beeb Ceeb (BBC) et al. His New York Post writings really provides a burr in the panty-waists’ pants. His latest essay includes the following:
Jerusalem syndrome
It’s been decades since Abba Eban, the late Israeli diplomat and politician, [Flipper met and was able to discuss the “Israel” situation with Eban when as Foreign Minister he visited Wellington in the late 1960s] made the observation that “Arabs never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.”
The latest mistake by the Palestinians proves Eban right again.
Against all reason, Palestinian leaders are hardening their response to President Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
President Mahmoud Abbas, elected to a four-year term nearly 13 years ago, initially grumbled and seethed but didn’t close any doors.
But emboldened by the toothless grandstanding of the United Nations General Assembly and fearful of Hamas terrorists, Abbas now says he will not accept any American plan for peace or consider America as a broker.
Instead, he’s turning to Russian President Vladimir Putin for help.
This is foolishness on stilts, with Trump eager to make a deal. For Abbas to refuse to hear him out is a replay of the Palestinian rejectionism Yasir Arafat specialized in — talk peace while encouraging violence and hope Israel somehow goes away.
But whatever you do, never, ever make a final deal to recognize Israel’s right to exist.
On a recent trip to Israel, we heard a Foreign Ministry official sum up the truth about why Palestinians always walk away from negotiations and turn to violence. “It’s not about the 1967 borders,” the official said, “it’s about 1948.”
Everything else is detail.
The full NY Post piece by Goodwin can be found at…
https://nypost.com/2017/12/24/the-movement-to-impeach-trump-is-just-beginning/
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December 28, 2017 8:25am
- stephieboy
  
  Michael Goodwin is clearly unhinged and unbalanced as he describes the former President’s growing up pro Muslim agenda ,
  
  https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2016/06/20/fox-contributor-growing-muslims-clearly-had-impact-obamas-foreign-policy-worldview/211042
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:59am
Keeping Stock

I traveled down to Wellington yesterday to have a belated Christmas lunch with my son. It was an uneventful trip down, although I noticed north-bound traffic was especially heavy around Otaki and Levin.

Coming home yesterday was a different story. The first traffic snarl-up was going up the hill from Whenua Tapu cemetery to Pukerua Bay. The traffic was heavy through Paekakariki, but spread out once we were back on the four-lane highway leading on to the Kapiti Expressway. The “fun”was just around the corner.

About 2km from the northern end of the expressway, I came to a grinding halt, and it took the best part of an hour to get moving again. The log-jam was around where two lanes merge into one at the Peka Peka end, and from what I had observed heading south in the morning, there had been problems all day.

I note that work has started on the extension of the expressway as far as Whirokino, where the elderly trestle is being replaced. Prior to the election, National proposed four-laning through to Sanson, which would be a huge step forward. That however is now off the books, and one wonders what progress will be made on the rest of SH1 north of Wellington.

I finally made it back to Whanganui after almost five hours, although that included stops for petrol and a feed. I was in no rush, but all around me on the expressway were some unhappy families heading off on holiday. I wonder how much festive cheer they had towards our coalition government and its Green hangers-on.
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December 28, 2017 8:32am
- gump
  
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  The election was three months ago. Are you suggesting that unhappy looking people in cars are unhappy because major roading projects haven’t been started and completed within three months?
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:41am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Did you miss this part?
    ‘Prior to the election, National proposed four-laning through to Sanson, which would be a huge step forward. That however is now off the books, and one wonders what progress will be made on the rest of SH1 north of Wellington.’
    
    What don’t you understand about ‘that however is now off the books’?
    Here’s a hint. the new Govt has canned it. We’ve seen that in Auckland with the proposed East/West link ‘put off for review’- code for not going to happen while we spend all the Budget elsewhere(Trams…)
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:53am
    - gump
      
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      National didn’t think it was important enough to build during their nine years of Government.
      
      If you’re unhappy about it then go and talk to them.
      
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      December 28, 2017 8:57am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Fuck you are thick.
        It was approved and had funding allocated but these things have to be staged because of;
        1 Resource allocation – as in the means to actually build it
        2. Budgetary cost- other stuff was being done and paid for.
        
        You really are a contender for Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator
        
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        December 28, 2017 9:11am
      - stephieboy
        
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        gump ,that is characteristically All On Red , nasty vindictive and abusive when he lost an argument ,
        
        KS ,”… unhappy families heading off on holiday”
        
        Did you talk to them or was that more your cantankerous and whingeing demeanour ( post 23 /9 )
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:05am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Morning Ralph
        Wearing your hypocrisy early this morning I see.
        LOL!
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:07am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        No, clearly not Gump. They only made the decision to build Transmission Gully, built the Kapiti Expressway from McKays to PekaPeka, started the extension through Horowhenua, and started the replacement of the Whirokino Trestle; and that’s just on the roads north of Wellington. Imagine what thewy could have done had they instituted a Roads of National Significance programme; oh, wait!
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:46am
  - Paulus
    
    Well poverdy has been solved along with homeless so why can’t she fix the roads within her 100 days – or is she forming another committee ?
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:53am
- convicted radical
  
  That is the problem, KS. Completing sections of an expressway only shifts the bottleneck. An holistic approach (4 lanes to Sanson – I would suggest 4 lanes to north of Bulls) is the only answer.
  2 and 3/4 years!
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:50am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It won’t be fixed until there are 4 lanes from Dunedin to Whangarei.
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:11am
    - Digmen1
      
      Yes, two ticks blue
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:26am
    - doggone7
      
      What happened to Invercargill to Kaitaia?
      
      And only 4 lanes? Through many parts of the
      country as soon as there are 4 they will be chocka for lengthy periods of the day.
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:38am
  - KevOB
    
    Get 100,00 new migrant workers or whatever it takes and put 4 lanes all the way through to Sanson. All the work to be done contemporaneously. That may take a 100,000 earthmoving machines too and ancillary plant. Shouldn’t cause too much disruption. I’m sure the lower North Island could take a break from going to work for a year or so until the highway is reopened. Freight can come by coastal freighter or air.
    Any repercussions to the Auckland or Northern economy can be dealt with by way of temporary subsidy assistance. The South won’t be affected.
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:35am
    - Digmen1
      
      If this was China, they have it all done in 6 months!
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:39am
    - doggone7
      
      Getting 100,00 new migrant workers in for the job might impact on housing in the region. How about getting all those desperate that something be done who live there already up and out of bed to do it?
      
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      December 28, 2017 11:04am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The biggest issue with four-laning to Bulls would be the Bulls bridge replacement, so for about six km extra of four-laning, it probably wouldn’t be worth it.
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:47am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      The Bulls bridge replacement will have to happen anyway. It’s a miracle that it hasn’t been the scene of a major truck crash which could take the road out for a week. Think of it in the context of a MINIMUM four lanes from Dunedin to Whangarei with six in a number of places.
      And no, Kaitaia and Invercargill can wait for a few years.
      
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      December 28, 2017 11:24am
- waikatogirl
  
  KS, I expect the majority of your fellow travellers are completely unaware of the present govt’s promise to limit all future roading infrastructure. I suspect they were just hot, tired and annoyed. Afterall, all those bottlenecks and frustrated drivers are no indication to the left that more motorway systems are required. ?
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:51am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Eye wateringly taxed for the privilege of having the road and frustrated drivers.
    
    Tax on the earned dollar, GST on the fuel that already has a tax, road user charges for diesel vehicles, tolls and now a regional fuel tax which all gets spent on a plethora of other things before the residue is spent on a road somewhere
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:57am
  - kevn
    
    WG… When John Key got in to govt initially, his promise of roading infrastructure really got cracking and we have some top class expressways. Safer as well. 4 lanes and cheesecutter barriers (sorry motorcyclists).
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:59am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Like Wellington, Hamilton in recent years has benefited from a new northern and southern motorway. I greatly appreciate the new connection will continue to improve travelling time in and out of the city. It is a damn shame this govt is so short-sighted not to continue the excellent motorway system as planned.
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:29am
    - Digmen1
      
      Yes, its a real pleasure for me to drive on the Cambridge by pass and the Tauranga eastern link.
      
      Now we will just watch empty subsidised buses drive past and Julie Ann Gender on her pushbike, whilst we admire all the rumble strips.
      
      Thanks Winston.
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:38am
      - GazzaW
        
        Correction. Julie Ann Genter’s pushbike will be kept in the boot of her taxpayer funded, chauffeur driven limo for use at staged photo opps only.
        
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        December 28, 2017 11:01am
  - igm
    
    Can’t fix infrastructure, need money to house, educate, feed, medicate, and whatever else taxpayers can provide for gutless murderous Muslims who will never work. How come these 18-40 years-old wankers can only stick their arses in the air five times daily spending the rest of their time producing more bludgers from their many wives, yet are top of the preferential list of this unelected government of perverts, leeches and losers?
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:01am
    - Digmen1
      
      A masterly post!
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:27am
    - doggone7
      
      Your Government welcomed them in over how many years?
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:40am
      - GazzaW
        
        No one’s disagreeing but given the increasing terror attacks it’s time to stop.
        
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        December 28, 2017 11:05am
- alex Masterley
  
  Much the same happens at the top of the northern motorway where 2 lanes merge into one.
  Then, of course, there are the Warkworth & Wellsford bottlenecks which can stop traffic both ways for miles on end.
  I am willing to put money on the fact that the bottleneck will move north when the Puhoi – Wellsford extension is completed in 2021.
  The fun will be getting approval to link that extension to SH1 at the top of the Brynderwyns.
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:54am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Won’t be so bad when the motorway gets north of Walkworth. A lot of traffic drops out at Walkworth. A bypass of Wellsford would solve a lot.
    Presumably Winston has ensured the 4 lanning to Te Hana remains on track and is free of Green vetoes. He should have actually insisted on 4 lanes to whangarei as his price!
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:03am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Where is Walkworth? Is it just south of Werrsford?
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:14am
  - VicParking
    
    You will be able to travel by train and get the Whangaray sitting on top of a container or from Whangaray to Auckland in comfort in an imported BMW.
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:27am
  - doggone7
    
    The Brynderwyns will be by-passed.
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:43am
- Gabby
  
  They looked unhappy because some smug bugger wouldn’t get out of the bleeding way.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:15am
- srylands
  
  I sympathise. I missed the horror by driving from Wellington to Auckland on Christmas morning, leaving at 5am. It was marvellous.
  
  It will be interesting to see the next round of NZTA funding allocations. Expect to see less roads and more public transport and cycleways. If you are going away on holiday in New Zealand, such investment is about as useful as a snowflake in hell.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:29am
  - Swifty
    
    Xmas traffic snarlups have been going on for decades – I don’t know why more people don’t just travel at a better time.
    
    For over 30 years we had a bach at Waihi Beach and often went there for weekenders. Leave there on a Sunday at 1pm it was two hours door to door back to AKL, leave at 3 or 4pm and it was usually four hours; or more on a really bad day.
    
    Moral of the story – leave around 1pm!
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:37am
    - hmmokrightitis
      
      So much agreement in one place.
      
      I “live” in New Plymouth, my other place is in the Bay of Plenty. I can work from anywhere, and so I shuttle freely between both houses. If Im in the BoP, and I have a F2F meeting in NP, Ill set it for 930AM. Ill walk out the Vegas door at 6AM, and Im pulling into my carpark, 315k’s later, at 925AM at the latest, without fail.
      
      Best run I ever did door to door was 3 hours flat, leaving at 3AM, where a Ferrari went past me as I went through Benedale, and he eventually turned off onto the Old Taupo Road in Vegas. That was one hell of a drive 😀
      
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      December 28, 2017 1:02pm
      - Swifty
        
        Exactly.
        
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        December 28, 2017 5:49pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  For those interested, here’s a photo of the traffic around 5pm yesterday
  
  https://drive.google.com/open?id=1bbpPyW4ilYPZ3vcDQQEwPrlnUqgsvoxa
  
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  December 28, 2017 10:51am
- Psycho Milt
  
  The log-jam was around where two lanes merge into one at the Peka Peka end…
  
  I was contributing to that traffic jam too. While four-laning to Sanson would be very beneficial to me personally, I can’t picture a good cost-benefit ratio for the country in spending billions so that the traffic jams we get on a few days per year are moved up to Sanson. In fact, I’d be wildly pissed off at a government that decided to waste my taxpayer cash on that instead of more useful work.
  
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  December 28, 2017 11:41am
  - holysheet
    
    Taxpayer cash my arse. If all the money collected from the various fuel charges was spent entirely on the roads, we would have gold plated roads.
    
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    December 28, 2017 1:26pm
Stars And Stripes

The local repertory society have chosen CATS by Andrew Lloyd Webber as their summer production this year.
Had to laugh when I saw the advertising flyer stuck in the window of the Chinese takeaway.
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December 28, 2017 8:47am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Lucky for Mary Poppins then
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:59am
- VicParking
  
  Won’t get off the ground. Its rasist, sexist and there is cruetly to animals. The actors will need to be desexed and microchiped. And the names of most of the cats will need to be changed. No Characters
  Grizabella, Rum Tum Tugger or Mr. Mistoffelees as they are sexist, pedophilic and non binary.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:34am
  - Longknives
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQxY4-1I4lo
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:07am
  - G152
    
    And not to forget the actors may have been type (Comic Sans) cast.
    Don’t ban type casting, bring back hot metal
    
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    December 28, 2017 11:33am
- KevOB
  
  They get the cast offs afterwards.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:40am
- stephieboy
  
  Stars and Stripes , keep us updated with daily life in South Auckland !
  
  Notorious Bandidos set up in South Auckland
  
  https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1339801448/972/7114972.jpg
  
  LOL !
  
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  December 28, 2017 10:09am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Why is that funny stephie?
    Strange chap that you are. ?
    
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    December 28, 2017 1:36pm
kevn

Is everyone enjoying no morris, no z and no sboy?
Not sure what is going on but they normally shove their inane comments in by now.
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December 28, 2017 8:52am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Z was all over the earlier thread, with any sort of luck he has fallen off his pearch or Marquess is missing her shift
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:01am
  - kevn
    
    PG… Yes, but, I don’t see them here this morning. Yesterday they were out of control.
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:04am
    - GazzaW
      
      Different squad members kevn. Today’s ztev is a classic.
      
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      December 28, 2017 11:09am
  - All_on_Red
    
    They are regrouping to get their talking points and googling like mad so they can play ‘look squirrel!’
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:13am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Now that they’ve been poked they will soon be here in force.
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:16am
Maggy Wassilieff

Greenpeace Britain caught out telling fibs about the price of windfarm energy.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5213733/Activists-withdraw-advert-making-false-claim-wind-farms.html

I do hope the fabulous Peter Capaldi received a fabulous fee for his services.
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December 28, 2017 9:17am
- Harkman
  
  Keep them coming Maggy. Here’s another one from earlier in the year,
  
  http://www.nationalreview.com/article/445373/greenpeace-environmental-groups-grandstand-harass-company-finally-sues-them
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:33am
- Inandout
  
  Peter Capaldi was in my opinion the worst Dr Who imaginable, so torn with angst as per his script writers. David Tennant was probably the best.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:42am
  - Longknives
    
    To be fair to Capaldi- He got the PC ‘Everyone must be Gay or Transgender’ era of Dr Who.
    He had rubbish storylines to work with compared to Tennant and Co…
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:10am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    But who could surpass Malcolm Tucker?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al7XJxlDoyQ
    
    (Perhaps as the daughter of a Glaswegian, I’m a wee bit prejudiced).
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:14am
    - mara
      
      Maggy, I’d pay seriously good money to watch Malcolm Tucker having a conversation with Taxinta and the ball-less Shaw.
      
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      December 28, 2017 11:22am
  - artemisia
    
    There’s no Dr Who. Just The Doctor. David Tennant the best IMO as well, apart from a bit too much gurning. He always looked like he was having a great time.
    
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    December 28, 2017 1:45pm
- G152
  
  Green peace lying ??
  I’m shocked I tell you, shocked.
  I saw a video where they forgot the GBR is dying and used the GBR as a setting for the plastic invasion of the worlds oceans.
  They can’t even stay on script
  
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  December 28, 2017 11:36am
Stars And Stripes

Given poverty is supposedly such a big problem in this country it seems an anomaly that the most run down crappy houses in each street also coincidentally seem to have a recycling bin full to the brim with beer bottles on rubbish day.
Maybe the booze was included in their weekly food parcel from the agency.
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December 28, 2017 9:25am
- Digmen1
  
  What!
  Don’t they recycle them?
  
  I some suburbs they just collect the beer bottles and cans at the side of the house and hope some big truck will come and take them away one day.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:30am
  - kevn
    
    Dig… Yep, the landlord sorts it after he finally get rid of the tenants.
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:55am
- VicParking
  
  Ditto in my part of Whanganui.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:37am
calendar girl

Sympathies on your arduous journey home, KS @ 8:32. But “our coalition government and its Green hangers-on” can’t yet be expected to take responsibility – for a couple of years or more – for the roading inadequacies that you encountered.

As a generalisation, the National Government’s nine years at the helm saw too great a proportion of the country’s finite public expenditure directed towards welfare, education, health, regulation and well-meaning but seemingly-unlimited ‘soft’ aspects of what I call quangoism.

What suffered in the central competition for funds, inevitably, was the share of investment that went into ‘hard’ infrastructure like roading, rail and port assets for the longer-term development of our country. The ongoing balancing of competing ‘needs’ is an enormous challenge – made worse by unscheduled Kaikoura and CHC earthquake-type surprises which have generally been handled well.

But New Zealand will not realise its true potential as a vibrant, successful market economy if successive governments continue to scrimp on future capital investment. There needs to be practical and effective spending limitations and disincentives on today’s social and non-productive pressure-points (including the draining costs of an insanely-bloated and expensive bureaucracy).
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December 28, 2017 9:29am
- Digmen1
  
  Well said.
  
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  December 28, 2017 9:35am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  calendar girl , rhetoric and bombast aside why not get off your soapbox and do something meaningful and practical implementing your ideas ?
  
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  December 28, 2017 10:17am
  - calendar girl
    
    You do your own thing, stephie. I am not interested in your petty sniping and negativity.
    
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    December 28, 2017 9:31pm
    - stephieboy
      
      calendar girl , as I suspected much safer behind your keyboard than trying to take practical and worthwhile social and political action .
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:56pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  They can be expected to take responsibility CG, because they have already indicated that future roading improvements proposed by National will not be resourced and are off the table.
  
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  December 28, 2017 10:53am
  - calendar girl
    
    It’s too late now, KS. Of course Labour will undo National’s future plans, that’s what new Governments do, but some of National’s future investments were already well overdue (in terms of actual need, not Joyce’s “too little, too late” 2016 and 2017 Budgets).
    
    Even while I accept the constraints imposed by the scale of the Christchurch and Kaikoura earthquakes, National’s 9 years were characterised by too many ‘soft’ options. Key’s Government and that of English were motivated excessively by ‘popular’ policies rather than enforcing financial disciplines that would enable meaningful increases in much-needed capital investment.
    
    Here’s an example. National lived out grandly on its famous Budget increases in social benefits, the first such increases in close to 30(?) years, acting as if that move was a political masterstroke. National taunted Labour with this bit of political cleverness, and it was all great fun. But at what cost? How much national, structural investment was foregone to facilitate Labour’s 10 minutes of embarrassment?
    
    I voted National this year with strong reservations. But there’s no other meaningful party that is not seriously further to the left, economically and socially. However, I would prefer to vote for a National Party not deliberately positioning itself in the very centre of a port-leaning ship’s deck. I want a National Party with proper 5-year, 10-year and 20-year plans for the country’s development, fully costed, and with budgets adjusted annually to take account of each year’s historical experience. I want to see seriously-upgraded capital investment in the country’s physical infrastructure, not increased ‘social’ spending by a bloated bureaucracy. (And I want to see a future National Government trim back that bloated bureaucracy to no more than two-thirds its present size and cost.)
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:15pm
flipper

It is easy to tell that the silly season is in full swing. Just look: that idiot Fisher and the click bait sad Herald have re-discovered the Niagara all these years after master deep sea diver Johnstone recovered all that gold. The black gold was there then. it still is. Life moves on, so will the sea.
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December 28, 2017 9:58am
VicParking

There is a lot of chatter about the USA reducing its contribution by $285 million
Lets put that in perspective:
Expense Categories of the UN.
Humanitarian Assistance 16,369,582,818
Development Assistance 11,819,813,232
Peacekeeping Operations 9,188,089,000
Knowledge creation activities 7,753,380,935
Technical Cooperation 3,633,889,124

Which is $48,7 billion. $285m is just piss nothing of their 8 billion. By the way NZ pays $6.8 million.
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December 28, 2017 9:59am
- Harkman
  
  But at the very least, it may put a freeze on pay increases.
  
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  December 28, 2017 11:02am
- Liberty
  
  That is 6.8 Million to much
  
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  December 28, 2017 11:20am
- Ross12
  
  Vic
  The $285 mill was just a “shot across the bow” in much the same way that President Trumps repeated comments about the EU having to pay it’s agreed proportion of it’s defense bill got the EU countries in a lather and actually starting to do something, in some cases.
  We’ll just have to wait and see if there is a response in any way from the UN and what the next Trump/Haley move will be.
  
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  December 28, 2017 3:34pm
Longknives

I’m struggling to find it now (taken down perhaps?) but the Herald had an Opinion piece by Rattue yesterday where he attacked Cricket for being ‘Too White’ and suggested Cricket Grounds be taken off Clubs and allocated to ‘Maori and Pasifika’ Sports..
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December 28, 2017 10:17am
- Dave Mann
  
  Bloody hell…. what have we come to as a country if there was a piece like that in the Herald? I’m looking forward to the time the Chinese take over NZ; they quite like white people and they won’t put up with all this Maori and Pasifika crap.
  
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  December 28, 2017 10:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here:
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11966311
  
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  December 28, 2017 10:32am
  - Longknives
    
    “It’s a long time since I went anywhere near a cricket club, but judging by the national team, the sport is still a white man’s playground. Does cricket need an overhaul?
    For what it returns, cricket deserves to be stripped of large chunks of real estate”
    
    Jesus Christ! Just because it is played by predominantly white kids Cricket should be banned??
    But League is good right? Because it’s mostly dark kids playing??
    The guy has a fucking screw loose..
    
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    December 28, 2017 10:39am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Agreed, and thanks for pointing out this crazy racist crap.
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:42am
    - doggone7
      
      Someone has a screw loose for suggesting paddocks in Auckland used for cricket should be used instead for high density housing? That’s entrepreneurial thinking and spirit.
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:49am
      - Dave Mann
        
        It’s not entrepreneurial thinking and spirit, it’s heartless destruction of our quality of life. New Zealand cities are world-class for their parks, sports grounds (which are often used as parks too) and open spaces. Don’t let’s build over them.
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:54am
    - gump
      
      Interestingly you didn’t quote the next part of the article which showed the comment was entirely tongue-in-cheek:
      
      “For what it returns, cricket deserves to be stripped of large chunks of real estate, with the land handed over to softball, bull rush, BBQ areas, people who like to dress up as King Arthur and metal detector clubs”
      
      Are you so humourless that you can’t see an obvious joke?
      
      And from where do you conjure the spectre of “Maori and Pasifika sports”? How are they possibly connected to “softball, bull rush, BBQ areas, people who like to dress up as King Arthur and metal detector clubs”???
      
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      December 28, 2017 11:05am
      - Longknives
        
        Umm because his whole attack on Cricket is a rant about White People-
        “the sport is still a white man’s playground”
        
        Rattue’s beloved Rugby League is played by predominantly Maori and Pacific Islanders- Just imagine if I wrote an Opinion piece in the Herald suggesting it is ‘too brown’ and should be abolished?
        
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        December 28, 2017 12:21pm
- ztev
  
  I always like the background piece on Rattue… where the Herald talked about his ‘working from home’
  
  The penny dropped at that point for me …
  
  This background helps
  https://www.drugfoundation.org.nz/matters-of-substance/may-2013/chris-rattue/
  
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  December 28, 2017 11:17am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Full marks to Rattue for beating the demon drink for a number of years now. I wish him well for his continued sobriety. Unfortunately, he works in an industry where the consumption of large amounts of grog is both commonplace, and viewed as a badge of honor.
    
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    December 28, 2017 11:43am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      NOW you tell me!
      
      All the time they were pist and I just thought they were morons!
      
      Learn something here every day
      
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      December 28, 2017 1:21pm
- Morrissey
  
  Chris Rattue is a fool.
  
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  December 28, 2017 1:34pm
- sam green
  
  Longknives he didn’t say that – he said this ..”For what it returns, cricket deserves to be stripped of large chunks of real estate, with the land handed over to softball, bull rush, BBQ areas, people who like to dress up as King Arthur and metal detector clubs.”
  
  Why tell lies?
  
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  December 28, 2017 2:05pm
- alloytoo
  
  hmm after a tour from the West Indies……
  
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  December 28, 2017 4:12pm
- big bruv
  
  Lol, can you really see thousands of these morbidly obese Maori and PI people really flooding to these playing fields?
  
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  December 29, 2017 7:49am
Manolo

Why is there not an Obama station?, asks our own stephieboy(s):
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5214765/Israel-minister-plans-Trump-train-station-Western-Wall.html

Israel’s transportation minister is pushing ahead with a plan to extend Jerusalem’s soon-to-open high speed rail line to the Western Wall, where he wants to name a future station after President Donald Trump.
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December 28, 2017 12:08pm
SPC

In the museum at Constantinople there was/is an inscription upon an old stone. It was by King Naram Sin (Akkadian) and it said,

“We have fallen upon evil times and the world has waxed very old and wicked. Politics are very corrupt. Children are no longer respectful to their parents.”

There are more numerous writings of this type from the Greek-Roman period.

This ancient complaint does not depend upon decline, but is just a common observation from those older people who see change as change for the worse – the only really good times being the days of their youth.

This can be from those like Don Brash, concerned about the proliferation of the Maori language in public space, cultural change with demographic change and the urbanisation of society with a growing population (not to be confused with concern about the environment which is common amongst the younger generation also).
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December 28, 2017 12:16pm
- Jack5
  
  That’s a stupid and invalid argument, SPC. It’s tantamount to dismissing everyone who disagrees with you about a change as wrong because you assert they oppose all change.
  
  Goebbels, the Hitler’s propaganda chief, could by this measure have have argued that everyone opposed to Nazism opposed all change and were thus wrong.
  
  Or, your tactic could be used to support the argument that Maori will survive only as a small and regional cultural curiosity.
  
  You would use this tactic by saying those who want equal footing in present-day New Zealand for Maori language are merely old and change-resistant – resisting and resenting the change to English having become overwhelmingly dominant in this country, and resisting the rise of English as the dominant world language.
  
  Using you tactic, you could say that those trying to force all New Zealanders to speak Maori are change-averse linguistic Canutes trying to order the English tide to flow out.
  
  The real obstacle to Maori being more widely spoken is that English is the world lingua franca in business, in politics, in diplomacy, in science, in learning generally, and in world popular culture.
  
  Your point about Maori proliferating in public space … This is partly so, but it’s a contrived proliferation, with a Maori-dominated Geographic Board trying to re-Maorify place names, and zealots like Guyon Espiner using a media post to promote Maori language.
  
  The facts show that Maori language use is declining, despite taxpayer-funded Maori TV and radio networks, despite its promotion by the leftists who dominate NZ primary school education, despite all the other resources being put into it. Maori language’s decline, in numbers of fluent speakers, is doomed to continue.
  
  http://archive.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/snapshots-of-nz/nz-progress-indicators/home/social/speakers-of-te-reo-maori.aspx
  
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  December 28, 2017 2:21pm
  - SPC
    
    No. It is simply that there are truisms that have existed across thousands of years.
    
    1. those of an establishment and advantaged by the status quo resist change.
    2. the old have doubts about the younger generation.
    
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    December 28, 2017 2:40pm
  - SPC
    
    Re language locally, the consequence of recognising Maori as a taonga under the Treaty and giving it official language status. The same movement to protect languages occurs worldwide, including Gaelic and Welsh where English is widely spoken.
    
    As to the place of English globally, the reason those of nations that speak English are less multi-lingual than those of other nations. This has little to do with the local situation and native languages.
    
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    December 28, 2017 2:45pm
    - Jack5
      
      Sorry, SPC, but I can’t grasp what you are getting at with this:
      
      “As to the place of English globally, the reason those of nations that speak English are less multi-lingual than those of other nations.”
      
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      December 28, 2017 2:48pm
  - Digmen1
    
    We have a Maori channel (which we no doubt pay for)
    And then TVNZ rams Te Karere, and other Maori programs down our neck and puts in Maori greetings etc when ever they can.
    Why dont they keep it on their Maori channel?
    Stuff them!
    
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    December 28, 2017 5:05pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    The real obstacle to Maori being more widely spoken is that English is the world lingua franca in business, in politics, in diplomacy, in science, in learning generally, and in world popular culture.
    
    Oh, of course – your no-doubt extensive business and cultural activities overseas are all conducted in English, I’m sure.
    
    Meanwhile, the real obstacle to Māori being spoken more widely is that grumpy old White men do their nuts at the suggestion they ought to be able to speak more than one language (being generous – many of them can’t even speak English properly).
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:50pm
    - Jack5
      
      You’re wrong in assuming I’m monolingual, Psycho Milt.
      
      And no, not all my communications with folk overseas are in English.
      
      But what a smarmy, virtue signalling tit you are, Psycho Milt, assuming that only someone from the Left can have overseas contacts or knowledge of business or cultural activities outside New Zealand.
      
      And how ignorant of you to assume that people sceptical of the drive to force all New Zealanders speak Maori, take this position because they shun all languages but English.
      
      In my view, Psycho Milt, your use of macrons indicates that you speak NZ Pidgin, rather than English.
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:23pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      Grumpy old white men? OK, lets introduce race into the discussion…. As well as English, my second language is Spanish and I speak French quite passably. Because of these two languages I can understand Italian more or less and also some Portuguese. I also speak a very basic level of Mandarin and some Hindi too.
      
      In my opinion the main reasons for learning a language are either that it is useful to you (like living or working in a country) or that you are interested in the culture.
      
      Neither of these things applies to Maori as far as I’m concerned and I’m never likely to learn it, nor be remotely interested in it. I can’t imagine what the language of a people who couldn’t even write, do mathematics or science, build architectural structures or explore music and philosophy could possibly offer me.
      
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      December 29, 2017 12:14am
- stephieboy
  
  SPC,
  
  “We have fallen upon evil times and the world has waxed very old and wicked. Politics are very corrupt. Children are no longer respectful to their parents.”
  
  Actual evidence that this is endemic and widespread in our society ?
  
  Seems to me from someone who was keen to retain power and maintain the status quo .
  
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  December 28, 2017 2:26pm
  - Jack5
    
    Troll, go away and bang your head on a prayer mat.
    
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    December 28, 2017 2:27pm
    - SPC
      
      Resorting to calling someone a Moslem to de-legitimise their right to be present on the blog is highly questionable reasoning – for anyone who claims to be of and for democracy, of and for free speech and the equality of citizens regardless of race, gender or religion.
      
      It’s a form of McCarthyism.
      
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      December 28, 2017 2:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        I don’t oppose the Stephie team’s presence on Kiwiblog because they are either Muslims or purport to be Muslims.
        
        I express my views on the Stephies because they are trolls. An example was from yesterday when they lied with an assertion that on Kiwiblog there had been calls for genocide against the world’s 1.8 billion Muslims. They ignored a call for them to substantiate this claim.
        
        Real McCarthyism comes from people like you , SPC, trying to stifle any criticism of Islam or of Muslims or or Muslim immigration.
        
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        December 28, 2017 2:43pm
      - SPC
        
        Stephie has never claimed to be, or purported to be Moslem.
        
        He has said he came from as Presbyterian background and currently attends an Anglican Church.
        
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        December 28, 2017 2:48pm
      - Jack5
        
        SPC, there is so much bullshit put out by the Stephie team, that you pretty much have to discount what they say about themselves.
        
        The varying styles, and differing grammatical errors, strongly indicate that more that one person uses the “Stephieboy” pseudonym.
        
        Similarly with views. One day you have a Stephie linking to a porn site and getting a temporary ban from the blog. Another day you have a Stephie quoting the Bible.
        
        The style of at least one of the Stephies is consistent with someone who learned English on the Indian subcontinent. The strong defence of Muslim that comes from the Stephies suggests that at least that at least this Stephie is from Pakistan or Bangladesh.
        
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        December 28, 2017 2:53pm
      - SPC
        
        I’ll call.
        
        Name just one occasion when I have sought to “stifle any criticism of Islam or of Muslims or or Muslim immigration”.
        
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        December 28, 2017 2:54pm
      - Jack5
        
        SPC, you have, in this thread, just challenged the right to name someone on the blog as a Muslim.
        
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        December 28, 2017 2:58pm
      - SPC
        
        Kimbo makes the defence from time to time, clearly not a Moslem but a Christian.
        
        Kea makes a different defence, without being religious himself (unless being anti-Zionist is a religion).
        
        Some liberals make an observation about not seeing all Moslems the same from time to time, but mostly they get shy when the topic here turns to Moslems (a bit like shy liberals during McCarthyism).
        
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        December 28, 2017 3:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Jack
        Read this link
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_24_december_2017.html#comment-2105623
        Stephie is a do goody Christian. And a white kiwi.
        He’s so dumb skiting about giving the reading. Hes made himself easy to identify.
        That’s all I’m going to say. As much as I think he’s a complete fuckwit he is entitled to his privacy.
        Oh, I think you are right in that others use his account. I reckon his wife is Chinese NZ
        She’s the one who can spell – lol
        
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        December 28, 2017 3:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        SPC, your comment on Stephieboys: “[Stephieboy]…has said he came from a Presbyterian background.
        
        Do think he might have spent time at a Scottish mission school in Stephiestan?
        
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        December 28, 2017 3:08pm
      - SPC
        
        No it was a comment about his youth in Auckland.
        
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        December 28, 2017 3:32pm
      - GazzaW
        
        “He has said he came from a Presbyterian background……….”
        
        That stephie probably did but it depends on which stephie of the day is talking.
        
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        December 28, 2017 4:08pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Jackie 5, the Medina Theological College opening date Dunedin ?
      
      LOL
      
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      December 28, 2017 9:59pm
SPC

Male stale and pale man of the year.

Finalists.

Bill English, 46 not out, creditable but still falling short against the hordes of younger voters, women, Maori and Pacifica.

Mark, for defence of the glass ceiling – questioning the employment of women of child bearing age in preference to a male

Sean, for demonstrating imperial altruism with his empathy for the Jewish male exposed for abusing power. The concern for a fellow male (who looks white but is not officially one of the group) was heart rending.

Don, for his defence of the King’s (and Queen’s) English (control of language) in public space.

Dishonourable mention

Mike, his face on discovering the outcome of the election was just that of a sad loser. Not so much empathy for the shared loss that many other white men felt, but a base display of fallen pride – narcissism.
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December 28, 2017 2:07pm
- Jack5
  
  New Zealand through a red filter, SPC?
  
  And the ” the hordes of younger voters, women, Maori and Pacifica.”
  
  How come Labour, even with a PR graduate as leader, couldn’t match National in Parliamentary seats?
  
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  December 28, 2017 2:26pm
  - SPC
    
    Waves watermelon.
    
    The majority, Labour and Green and the Maori MP dominated NZ First Party.
    
    Did not need to, since Don united the right under National leadership, being a larger party than National has not been a requisite for Labour forming a coalition with a parliamentary majority.
    
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    December 28, 2017 2:31pm
    - Jack5
      
      SPC speaks of “the Maori MP dominated NZ First Party.”
      
      This would be the party of half-white, half-Maori Winston Peters. The Winston Peters who accused an MP who spoke in Maori in Parliament of “hiding behind the Maori language.”
      
      The Winston Peters who has said parents wouldn’t “buy into” compulsory teaching of Maori language.
      
      https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/335898/winston-peters-criticises-use-of-te-reo-in-parliament
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/blogs/an-auckland-minute/6831094/Mandatory-teaching-of-Maori-has-merit
      
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      December 28, 2017 2:37pm
      - SPC
        
        Ron, Shane and so on, check out their caucus.
        
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        December 28, 2017 2:49pm
    - stephieboy
      
      SPC , John Keys took over from the failed nude nut and lead the Nats effectively for 9 or so years .
      
      Fact !
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:03pm
Jack5

WTF is this “Waves watermelon” in your 2.31 post, SPC?

The Green Party is the party of water melons – green on the outside, red inside.
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December 28, 2017 2:38pm
- SPC
  
  Green for the environment, red for the sustainable society based around adequate education, health and housing that is required for equality of opportunity for all.
  
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  December 28, 2017 2:52pm
  - Jack5
    
    SPC, your “, red for the sustainable society based .”
    
    Red is the colour of the Bolsheviks, of Stalin, of Mao, of Pol Pot.
    
    Are you promoting their Marxist philosophy?
    
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    December 28, 2017 3:03pm
    - SPC
      
      If you associate the colour red with that, little wonder you can so easily claim stephie is a Moslem.
      
      It’s also the colour of the St George Cross, the French revolutionaries etc
      
      We are all red blooded fellow humans living under the same blue sky.
      
      Your logic would mean blue is derived from blue blooded, elitist rule and associated with an over-ruling class and its perpetuation through capitalism and the continuance of inequality ….
      
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      December 28, 2017 3:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        SPC, re your 3.10 post:
        
        Think of a a young- Maoist mob waving Little Red Books, or a unit of rampaging Bolshevists with red ribbons on their ushanka winter hats.
        
        Now picture yourself explaining to them that red is the colour of the St George Cross!
        
        You left out from your example, the red coats of generations of British infantry.
        
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        December 28, 2017 3:18pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack5 , now where does All on Red fall into the picture ?
      
      Red is also the Colour of Trump and his party .
      
      LOL
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It’s also the colour of the Labour Party
        And the there’s Red on a Roulette Table..
        Don’t forget my little Mong Friend I know all about you….
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:33pm
Don the Kiwi

http://www.foxnews.com/
“President Trump spent his first year in office moving swiftly to roll back what his Democratic predecessor did in eight.

The result: the steady unraveling of a slew of regulations and laws put in place under then-President Barack Obama, covering everything from the Internet to the environment to health care.

Read on for a 2017 overview of what Trump has done to dismantle Obama’s regulatory legacy.”

Good on Trump – obliterating the closet muslim’s stupid legislation and socialist ideologies.
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December 28, 2017 3:23pm
- SPC
  
  Thanks for pointing out the origin of the tactic of calling people (closet) Moslems, to del-legitimise them and their opinion, did not originate with Jack5.
  
  Birthers, flat earthers, creationists still looking for Noah’s Ark, those preaching end of the world religion to the door of your house or via your TV or on-line, America’s contribution to the world before Trump’s twitter account.
  
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  December 28, 2017 3:37pm
Don the Kiwi

I’m just anticipating with relish, stephiegirl’s outrage and rebuttal. 🙂
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December 28, 2017 3:27pm
- stephieboy
  
  ZZZZZZZzzz…
  
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  December 28, 2017 10:05pm
SPC

Facts are inconvenient things.

At the Dom Post

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/100175590/lordes-first-steps-on-new-dangerous-stage

on a comment section, someone claimed that Jews were only 8% of the population when the UN made its decision to partition the land. When it was mentioned that it was in fact 30%, the reaction was to call the truth the Israeli version, rather than the British version.

It appears that some people when lying about this issue try and label this the “British” fact to deceive those who might be of British ancestry.

Unfortunately lies like this are not always refuted, and remain as lies on MSM sites to deceive people as to the truth.

Data from the Report of UNSCOP: 3 September 1947: CHAPTER 4: A COMMENTARY ON PARTITION

Palestine total population 1,237,000 – 33% Jewish.
Area awarded for a Jewish national homeland total population 407,000 – Jewish 55%
International area (Jerusalem) total population 105,000 – Jewish 49%.

While the MSM likes to pose as a guardian against lies on other media/social media, sometimes it is the other way around.
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December 28, 2017 4:18pm
- SPC
  
  Some related information to correct a now dated figure.
  
  A recent census in Lebanon has 175,000 Palestinian refugees living in the country, while the UN had put the figure at 500,000.
  
  Around 175,000 Palestinian refugees live in Lebanon, 45 percent of them in 12 refugee camps and 55 percent in 156 population centers throughout the country, according to a census conducted by Lebanon’s Central Administration of Statistics in partnership with the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics.
  
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  December 28, 2017 4:27pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That is why I gave up on the MSM yonks ago.
  They do not like being informed of their mistakes. They will close down comments when too many inconvenient facts begin to appear.
  They are most reluctant to correct errors or produce balanced commentary.
  
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  December 28, 2017 7:52pm
Morrissey

Watch how NewstalkZB’s Kerre Woodham reacted to an elderly caller who dared to criticize her colleague Tony Veitch

On Thursday 16 April 2009, NewstalkZB sports jock Tony “Veitchy” Veitch pleaded guilty to injuring his ex-fiance with reckless disregard. Police records showed Veitch had kicked Kristin Dunne-Powell in the spine, thrown a glass of water in her face, kicked her repeatedly in the thighs, dragged her down the stairs and verbally abused her.

In spite of all this, “Veitchy” got off with a mere slap on the wrist: community service, a few months of “supervision”, and a small fine.

The general mood at NewstalkZB following his sentence was akin to carnival; NewstalkZB hosts had ridiculed and denounced Kristin Dunne-Powell round the clock, day after day for months, ever since news of the assaults broke. Veitch’s loudest defenders, and Miss Dunne-Powell’s most brutal detractors, were Larry Williams, Bruce Russell, and Kerre Woodham.

During his sports show that evening, a jubilant Willy Lose told his colleague Susan Wood on air: “This is a day of cewebwation for me!”.

After 8 p.m., nearly every one of Kerre Woodham’s callers was right behind Veitch. Then an elderly caller called CYRIL rang her up….

WOODHAM: Hello, Cyril.

CYRIL: Well I’m not behind him at all. For goodness sakes, seven and a half months community service is all he got. He could have quite easily kicked that woman in the head and done brain damage to her—-

WOODHAM: We-e-e-ell….

CYRIL: Or put her in a wheelchair for life.

WOODHAM: [coldly] Well, in which case it would have been a different sentence.

CYRIL: I beg your pardon?

WOODHAM: He would have got a different sentence.

CYRIL: Sorry, I can’t quite hear you.

WOODHAM: [testily] Oh well then, WHY RING TALKBACK if you can’t HEAR?

CYRIL: I beg your Pardon?

WOODHAM: A-a-a-arrrrggghh!

CYRIL: I’m sorry I can’t—

[She cuts him dead]

WOODHAM: [through clenched teeth] R-r-right. Hello Anne….
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December 28, 2017 4:27pm
- SPC
  
  It is human group identity behaviour (loyalty to one of their own against the outsider), it explains how good people amongst the Jews tune out criticism of Zionist occupation because it is our right to have a homeland and be safe, or others reports of Weinstein’s activities – nothing unusual here, all bosses are bullies, all men try it on …
  
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  December 28, 2017 4:37pm
  - Morrissey
    
    I should have made it clear, SPC, that not all NewstalkZB hosts joined in the round-the-clock pillorying of Veitch’s victim. Certainly Williams, Russell, and Woodham did.
    
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    December 28, 2017 4:41pm
    - SPC
      
      Not everyone succumbs to group identity behaviour traits.
      
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      December 28, 2017 4:43pm
- Morrissey
  
  I note that four of Veitch’s and Woodham’s supporters have signed in with us. (4:42 p.m.)
  
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  December 28, 2017 4:42pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    This is your usual technique isn’t it?
    
    Could there possibly be any other reasons why some folks down-ticked your comment?
    
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    December 28, 2017 7:47pm
    - stephieboy
      
      What other reason , then ?
      
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      December 28, 2017 10:20pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Check out yesterday’s comments to Morrissey..
        
        Some folks automatically down tick any of his contributions….. reason 1
        
        Some folks give a downtick by mistake…. reason 2.
        
        Some folks might downtick to express disgust at the action of the radio hosts …..reason 3.
        
        Some folks might downtick to express their displeasure at yet another out-of-date media mauling from Morrissey…..reason 4.
        
        Perhaps there are other reasons..I seriously doubt that downtickers are supporters of Veitch & Woodham. I know I am not.
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:33pm
noskire

Another example of how our society is going to hell in a handcart, and not because of war, while white, straight men with moral values dare to speak their voice: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/27/motorsport/lewis-hamilton-apology-social-media-formula-one/index.html
If I was Lewis I would have given the nephew a knife and said “Here you go, cut off your penis and you can be a Princess forever. But now you will never be a man”.
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December 28, 2017 4:35pm
softail 1450

morronissey ,I’m surprised you didn’t slip John banks in there somewhere…..
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December 28, 2017 4:35pm
- Morrissey
  
  At that time, he was asking people to secretly and illegally slip him cheques for $25,000, so he was keeping a relatively low profile.
  
  I’m sure he supported “Veitchy” all the way, however.
  
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  December 28, 2017 4:38pm
- GazzaW
  
  …..or Gideon Levy.
  
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  December 28, 2017 5:30pm
Jack5

This will make your day, Morrissey Breen – from the Jewish Telegraphic Agency:

[Israel’s]Transportation Minister Yisrael Katz on Tuesday approved the creation of the train station located near the Western Wall entrance, and announced that he decided to name it in honor of Trump to thank him for recognizing Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, the Hebrew-language daily Yediot Acharonot first reported Wednesday.
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December 28, 2017 4:47pm
- SPC
  
  The first to get off at the station gets to say, the rest are my twitter followers.
  
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  December 28, 2017 5:34pm
Manolo

According to the impartial MSM. No one better qualified, right?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/viral/hillary-clinton-dubbed-most-admired-woman-of-2017

Clinton may have lost the 2016 presidential election but according to a recent Gallup poll, she is the most admired woman by Americans.
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December 28, 2017 5:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  she is the most admired woman by Americans.
  
  Whew, for a moment I thought our Jacinta had been eclipsed.
  
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  December 28, 2017 7:42pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “Jacinta ” eclipsed by whom do you fancy ?
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:05pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Do you understand English, Stephieboy?
      
      Let me expand on my comment to Manolo….
      
      He gives us a link that states Hillary Clinton is the most admired woman of 2017.
      
      But, if we read on… we learn that this designation only is relevant to the Americas.
      
      Whew…. We in NZ are not Americans (by & large); so our Prime Minister can retain her standing (as dubbed by Forbes & Stuff) in the eyes of those who ADMIRE politically powerful women.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98470558/jacinda-ardern-more-politically-powerful-than-hillary-clinton
      All clear now?
      
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      December 28, 2017 8:23pm
      - stephieboy
        
        MW , I believe it is “Jacinda” Ardern.
        
        Now be good little lass and write to out 50x times or smack, smack with teacher’s ruler .
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        “’50x times” – is that Stephiestani arithmetic?(10.10 post).
        
        “5o times” yes, but “50x times” is nonsense.
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:20pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        or smack, smack with teacher’s ruler .
        
        oh, Stephieboy, you are into violence are you?
        
        I never want to encourage violent men, so I will do as you request..write to out 50x times
        
        to out 50x times
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:22pm
      - Jack5
        
        We’ll give you a hand Maggy:
        
        to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out to out
        
        I’m not sure our Stephiestanis are into violence: more likely flagellation.
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:25pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Jack, you had already shown that 50x times is nonsense.
        
        No need to confuse the chap.
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:37pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Remember Ralph aka Stephie is an Anglican in the CATHOLIC tradition…
        Isn’t it funny how people in religions with strict riltuals seem to like porn and perving.
        Graham Capill was a bit funny like too wasn’t he.
        
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        December 28, 2017 10:40pm
nasska

I spotted a fat career solo mother leaving Kentucky Fried with a fag in one hand & a baby in the other earlier so I threw her a can of bourbon & coke.

Hardest decision of her life.
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December 28, 2017 7:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  nasska , you seem to spend an awful lot of time around KFCs spotting these fatsos .
  
  Or is it as I suspect all made up ?
  
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  December 28, 2017 8:08pm
  - holysheet
    
    unlike you who spends all his time at the malls perving at the young girls.
    Ya dirty creep.
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:38pm
  - Psycho Milt
    
    That’s grossly unfair – I’m sure that nasska’s hatred of fat people and solo mothers is 100% genuine.
    
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    December 28, 2017 8:41pm
Manolo

Who in the whanau has adopted that poor baby?
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December 28, 2017 7:51pm
Jack5

Who controls national parks? Do Maori tribes have the final say?

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/346793/call-for-better-iwi-consultation-on-filming-at-national-parks
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December 28, 2017 10:15pm
- Jack5
  
  Maori whistle, and Red Radio barks.
  
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  December 28, 2017 10:23pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/347096/meet-the-new-zealander-of-the-year-nominees

The Awards Ceremony will also celebrate New Zealanders who’ve performed with distinction in five other categories.

Lizzie Marvelly and Peter Burling are among those in the running for Young New Zealander of the Year.

Amazing!
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December 28, 2017 11:00pm
Left Right and Centre

Re-post of my comment on Stuff – somewhere it will be published – unlike stuffwits who might censor it.

People wanting to become NZ citizens should apply for citizenship or residency the same way that anyone else has to.

Instead of going to a country on the likely pretence of a ‘student visa’ or ‘work visa’ with no intention of ever leaving.

A work visa is not akin to the process of citizenship the way that a learner licence is to graduating to a full licence. A work visa does not make anyone a citizen. It’s to work in NZ and at some point return. Am I missing something?

I hope the givealittle contributors continue to pay ongoing costs for these people if they want them living in NZ. Why should all NZ taxpayers provide welfare to non-NZ citizens on NZ work visas – and unable to work?
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