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Heroes
No. 5: MOANA COLE

Early in the morning on New Year’s Day 1991 four Catholic peace activists (Moana Cole from New Zealand, Ciaron O’Reilly from Australia, Susan Frankel and Bill Streit from Washington, D.C.) calling themselves the ANZUS Peace Force Plowshares, entered the Griffiss Air Force Base in New York, USA.

After cutting through several fences, Bill and Sue entered a deadly force area, where soldiers are authorised to shoot to kill. They hammered and poured blood on a KC-135 (a refueling plane for B-52’s) and then proceeded to hammer and pour blood on the engine of a nearby cruise missile armed B-52 bomber that could be used in the Middle East. They presented their action statement and an indictment to base security who encircled them moments later.

Simultaneously, Moana and Ciaron entered the base at the opposite end of the runway, and made a sign of the cross with blood on the runway, spray-painting “Love Your Enemies – Jesus Christ”, “No More Bombing of Children in Hiroshima, Vietnam, Iraq, or Anywhere!” and “Isaiah Strikes Again”. For approximately one hour they hammered upon the runway chipping at two sections, one being nearly five feet in diameter, before they were detained.

The group declared that they had came together from three different countries to reclaim the acronym from the ANZUS Treaty and create a “new pact for peace, which is the way of the Lord.” They also asserted they were acting to prevent war in the Persian Gulf and called upon people to nonviolently resist war and oppression. In their indictment they cited the U.S. government for war crimes and violations of international law.

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All four were indicted on 9 January 1991 on federal charges of conspiracy and property destruction and faced a maximum sentence of 15 years in prison. After being held in jail for two months, they accepted pre-trial release on March 6th. They went to trial in Federal Court in Syracuse in May and were convicted by a jury. On August 20th, they were sentenced to twelve months in prison and ordered to pay $1800 in restitution. After serving 10 months Bill and Sue were released from prison in mid-June 1992. Moana and Ciaron were released in late June on bail pending a deportation hearing.

In October 1992, Moana returned to New Zealand following her court-ordered voluntary deportation. Moana currently lives in Christchurch and has been completing a Masters Degree in Law focusing on the legality of the US-led occupation of Afghanistan.
https://lestweforget.org.nz/profiles/moana-cole/

http://archive.indymedia.org.nz/article/65217/military-targets-interview-moana-cole

“Heroes” is a series devoted to those courageous and brilliant people who show us that, in a world seemingly run by flag-fetishists, cowards, conformists, crooks, abusers, scoundrels, embedded churnalists, yes-men, mass murderers and liars, there are still reasons for hope.

No. 1 Edward Snowden, No. 2 Gideon Levy, No. 3 Colin Kaepernick, No. 4 Allan Nairn
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December 27, 2017 8:02am
- Nostradamus
  
  So, Morrissey, when can we expect to see your “heroes” write-up on Osama Bin Laden, who was also into blood painting?
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:07am
  - Morrissey
    
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    At the time Moana Cole and her fellow Catholic peace activists were disabling those bombers and wrecking that landing strip, Osama bin Laden was being armed and supported and lionized by the United States and Great Britain. Reagan compared bin Laden and his fellow “freedom fighters” to the American Founding Fathers.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyEEYz1eIMA
    
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    December 27, 2017 8:25am
    - holysheet
      
      At least with a conviction and being deported, she joins the list of those unable to get back into the USA. Peter Davis, Helens “husband” will be proud of her company on that list.
      
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      December 27, 2017 8:47am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Of course he’ll be proud of her—she’s a real hero.
        
        However, Peter’s spouse was none too happy when another group of Catholic peace activists struck in New Zealand in 2007….
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/415756/Interview-with-Waihopai-protester-Peter-Murnane
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/waihopai-three-say-acquittal-a-moment-in-nz-history-2010031807
        
        In fact, if there were any rocks in the vicinity, Ms. Clark’s death stare would without doubt have split them….
        https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/603912.jpg
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:05am
      - sooty
        
        Please allow me morris marina to send you to oblivian for your second comment. I don’t know why you bother!
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:29am
      - ztev
        
        Unable to get back into USA?
        
        Then why does these photos in 2013 show Helen Clark and Peter Davis in Manhattan at social occasion at a Gallery with the Premier of Bermuda?
        http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/party-pictures/2013/new-york-and-beyond
        
        Dont you just love it when fools and liars are exposed by a simple internet search
        
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        December 27, 2017 11:41am
      - sooty
        
        11.46! Bit late for work aint you. What’s your excuse?
        
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        December 27, 2017 12:17pm
      - holysheet
        
        You fucking lefties will photoshop anything to try and prove a point.
        Where was the photo of Helen and her loving husband together or in the same group?
        
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        December 27, 2017 12:17pm
      - ztev
        
        Photoshop … a website from 2013 …. yeah right…
        
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        December 27, 2017 2:35pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Bloody Hell, W of O is preferable to this shit so early in the morning.
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:08am
  - Nukuleka
    
    People have in the past disagreed with my view that Morrissey and his ilk are actually attempting to derail KB by posting this relentless litany of irrelevant crap. Their aim is not to spark genuine debate by challenging with alternative viewpoints but to piss off so many regular KBloggers that they will eventually give up in disgust. It is deliberate sabotage. This is not some crazed conspiracy theory on my part. Just look at the ongoing evidence.
    
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    December 27, 2017 8:20am
    - Morrissey
      
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      “This is not some crazed conspiracy theory on my part.”
      
      Oh, no, of course not. You’re a really rigorous thinker, who delights in debate.
      
      Oh yes.
      
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      December 27, 2017 8:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You’re a really rigorous thinker, who delights in debate.
        
        I’ve noticed that you do not stick around to debate the proposition that Noam Chomsky is a hypocrite for having expressed anti-war sentiments at the same time as he was working for the US military-funded MIT.
        
        You accuse others of the very same faults that you exhibit daily here on KB.
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:30am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Maggy, your attempt to smear Chomsky for working at M.I.T. is invalid. If you want him or anyone else to live in an entirely pure and uncompromised world, never drinking coffee, never driving a car, never traveling by plane, living like Simon Stylites, then say so.
        
        Otherwise, please demonstrate to us how Chomsky has compromised his views by working at M.I.T.
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:37am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Morrissey
        
        Maggy, your attempt to smear Chomsky for working at M.I.T. is invalid.
        
        Rubbish Morrissey.
        I entered this little fray, when you put up some of your heroes… and listed Chomsky as one of them.
        
        I contrasted his life and employment behaviour with one of my heroes.. J.Roger Bray who gave up his brilliant career in North America in protest against Canada and the US involvement in the nuclear war industry.
        http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1890/0012-9623-96.3.400/full
        https://www.nature.com/articles/237277a0
        Chomsky has looked after his own self-interests and benefited from being part of the US military machine.
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:47am
      - Morrissey
        
        Noam Chomsky is “part of the US military machine”, according to our hilarious friend Maggy.
        
        I take it back, Maggy—-you have NOT read Chomsky.
        
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        December 27, 2017 12:06pm
      - sooty
        
        Morris Marina. Gone again!
        
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        December 27, 2017 12:18pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I take it back, Maggy—-you have NOT read Chomsky.
        
        Ah, but I have.
        
        And I have also read critiques of Chomsky’s one-sided view of World events.
        https://www.newcriterion.com/issues/2003/5/the-hypocrisy-of-noam-chomsky
        
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        December 27, 2017 12:23pm
      - Morrissey
        
        No you haven’t Maggy. Citing extreme right wing attacks on someone is not reading. Your comments about him are comments that no one who has read Chomsky would make.
        
        I’d trust Donald Trump to have read his briefing papers more than I would trust you to have read Chomsky.
        
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        December 27, 2017 12:49pm
    - redeye
      
      Wont discourage me. I delight in seeing them belittled and ridiculed every morning. Reassures me on the right side.
      
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      December 27, 2017 8:37am
    - flipper
      
      Off with its head, but only following castration…..
      
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      December 27, 2017 9:32am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Nukulela , KB is not the preserve of Trumpist alt righters nor related conspiracy loons . First move by you and others of your ilk is to get over the devastation of 23 /09.7 , grow up and move on .
      
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      December 27, 2017 9:54am
      - Nukuleka
        
        No it is the preserve of a very generous and liberal host in DPF who is not so blinkered that he conforms to any particularly narrow ideology. Sadly there are several idologically-driven nutters of the extreme left who troll this site and take advantage of our host’s generosity and hands- off approach. If the cap fits then wear it.
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:03am
      - srylands
        
        Yes well said. Nobody should be “devastated” by an election result in New Zealand. The sun is shining, the fishing gear is ready, and life is good. This is not Equatorial Guinea.
        
        The only ‘devastation’ I have seen on social media in the past decade, is from left activists apoplectic at John Key’s popularity.
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:29am
    - lifesgood
      
      I thought things had improved with the absence of Penny None-Too-Bright, well know rates defaulter but, no, they seem to have got worse.
      
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      December 27, 2017 10:28am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Translation: “I hate having my prejudices challenged. I HATE IT! I wish I was in the public bar where I can hold court unchallenged. How long till fucking OPENING TIME?”
    
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    December 27, 2017 8:26am
  - RalphT
    
    But at least it’s gone by 8.30
    
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    December 27, 2017 8:35am
    - Morrissey
      
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      No it’s not. That “Hidden” sign is equivalent to “READ THIS!”
      
      Imagine if something YOU wrote attracted so many responses.
      
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      December 27, 2017 8:43am
      - RalphT
        
        It would depend whether people read all of what I had written or stopped after the first paragraph, sighed, downticked, and moved on.
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:00am
      - stiglet
        
        I can only speak for myself Morrissey. When I see your name on top of any post I now know to ignore, downtick, and then scroll on past. “Hidden” in the case of your posts just saves a bit of scrolling.
        
        I have no desire to “Read This” having already decided that everything you post is SHIT.
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:07am
      - Morrissey
        
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        stiglet,
        
        The very fact you replied shows that your statement is false. Have you ever considered studying logic?
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:10am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        “Have you ever considered studying logic?”
        
        Obviously the morris dancer hasn’t.
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:02am
      - srylands
        
        “That “Hidden” sign is equivalent to “READ THIS!””.
        
        You are seriously mistaken.
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:33am
    - Inandout
      
      Morrisshe still leaves his skid marks behind unfortunately. Few blog sites would tolerate his inane rubbishy onslaught.
      
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      December 27, 2017 8:55am
      - sooty
        
        The standard would have run his arse out off town.
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:33am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Been banned there three times, sooty. Currently in their good books. (I think.)
        
        Banned for LIFE by Whale Oil.
        
        Banned for LIFE by Brian Edwards since January 2013, for this….
        
        http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/2012/12/paul-holmes-starry-starry-knight/#comment-24313
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:42am
  - Lance
    
    Tomorrow’s installment will be Morrissey’s hero Joseph Stalin and how he heroically murdered 30 million innocent people.
    
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    December 27, 2017 12:08pm
- Rodney Randall
  
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  https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/jan/07/anti-war-activist-ciaron-oreilly-explains-why-conventional-protests-are-pointless
  
  “A quarter of a century has passed since Ciaron O’Reilly, with a sledgehammer and a bottle of his own blood, took his first tilt at the US war machine.”
  
  “O’Reilly regards an absence of solidarity with the imprisoned US army whistleblower Chelsea Manning – as well as Assange, Snowden and hundreds of conscientious objectors – as the signal failure of a long-hobbled peace movement.
  
  He says a protest leadership that is “increasingly NGO-ish and [based on] leftwing kind of cults” has failed to translate mass demonstrations into support for individuals whose acts have proven much more troublesome to the establishment.”
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:14am
- G152
  
  Deadly force areas should be that.
  And any trespassers should be recipients of the Darwin Award
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:23am
- Duxton
  
  Good morning Morrissey. Thanks for letting us know where Moana Coles now lives.
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:24am
  - Morrissey
    
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    She’s faced down armed American military goons. Do you think YOU could frighten her?
    
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    December 27, 2017 8:41am
    - flipper
      
      If they are goons toerag, what does that really make you?
      
      The very fact that you persist with your rubbish, albeit in various forms, is, as has previously been noted by many, both childish and confirmation that your brain is seriously impaired. Grow up child !
      
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      December 27, 2017 9:40am
      - Morrissey
        
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        I’m a goon too! YEAH!
        
        https://dbl4hsd8tfgwq.cloudfront.net/telusproduction/5709b92889aba.jpg
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:47am
- softail 1450
  
  Colin kaepernick a hero, ha ha ha ha ,come on moronissey are you taking the piss ?
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:26am
  - Morrissey
    
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    You think it’s easy to refuse a state-sanctioned obedience ceremony in the most militaristic, drone-like sport on the planet? And then to endure the abuse of vicious loudmouths day after day?
    
    It’s not easy to stand up to mass brainwashing in a highly militarised and conformist society.
    
    But Colin Kaepernick did stand up to it—ironically, by refusing to obediently stand. And he’s inspired hundreds of professional athletes, and thousands of high school athletes to do the same—often in the face of the most vile abuse from the kind of scum that voted for Trump.
    
    https://deadspin.com/louisiana-high-school-threatens-to-punish-athletes-who-1818969284
    
    Colin Kaepernick is indeed a hero, as the editors of GQ, amongst many others, know perfectly well….
    
    https://media.toofab.com/2017/11/13/colin-kaepernick-gq-cover-main-810×610.jpg
    
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    December 27, 2017 8:37am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      “Colin Kaepernick is indeed a hero, as the editors of GQ, amongst many others, know perfectly well….” lol
      
      “Gender-Queer. Also the name of a men’s magazine for those males who feel they are women trapped in a man’s body” – Urban Dictionary.
      
      Colin Kaepernick is a candidate for a Transvestigation.
      
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      December 27, 2017 9:07am
      - Morrissey
        
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        So what if he is?
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:11am
      - sooty
        
        Love him do you?
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:35am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘ And he’s inspired hundreds of professional athletes, and thousands of high school athletes to do the same’
      
      Lol, at the last weekend of games a total of 24 kneeled. 15 of those from one team.
      You’re so full of shit.
      
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      December 27, 2017 9:34am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Following massive pressure from politicians, from team owners with a bribe of tens of millions of dollars on condition they stand obediently, from coaches and from the media—and there are still twenty-four football players refusing to participate in that state obedience ceremony.
        
        That’s impressive. And galling for you, obviously.
        
        And those damn kids. They’re STILL playing up….
        
        https://blugoldmedia.org/2806/sports/blugold-football-players-raise-a-fist-for-injustice/
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:51am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I’m more amused Morrissey. In years to come this will serve as an example of Brand destruction and how people who benefited ruined the thing which made them rich and stars and then ironically denied themselves the platform to do any good after they faded into irrelevancy and unemployment.
        It’s funny to watch such stupidity.
        They could have been more effective doing it differently.
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:59am
      - Morrissey
        
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        How could they have done it more effectively?
        
        And the reason football is losing viewers is mainly because it’s so damned boring. It’s utterly predictable, and there’s almost zero spontaneity or creativity. No play lasts more than four seconds, and free, open running and kicking as in rugby or soccer is verboten.
        
        Then there’s the fact it’s played mostly on those execrable artificial surfaces—fans and players hate it, but the owners insist on it.
        
        And then of course there’s the always tedious flag-worshipping ceremony, which due to the overbearing presence of military sponsorship, has become a provocation and flashpoint, and a source of never-ending vexation.
        
        You can blame football’s problems on a few men of conscience for refusing to participate in a state-sponsored obedience ceremony if you want, but you know that’s not the reason.
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:08am
      - All_on_Red
        
        They could have used their WORDS and engaged with the community where there are problems and actively do some good instead of just vacuously kneeling and virtue signalling.
        Sad!
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:43am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  So these brave women did act of war on American air base. I like. But if the are so good, why did the not take a suicide belt with then. It would have been great succes.
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:35am
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Is your #3 hero the same Colin Kaepernick who praised Castro for investing more in the education system than in the prison system, but didn’t calculate the cost of Castro turning all of Cuba into a prison?
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:21am
- Huevon
  
  These Christian leftists need to read the Bible. The Good Lord said blessed are the peacemakers. Nothing keeps the peace like a readily deployable fleet of B-52 bombers.
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:24am
  - RalphT
    
    Sorry, Huevon, downticked you in error.
    
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    December 27, 2017 9:43am
    - Morrissey
      
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      Ha ha ha ha! Collateral damage. Don’t ever apply for a job as a smart bomber, Ralph.
      
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      December 27, 2017 9:58am
      - RalphT
        
        Thank you for your concern but I have no intention of seeking a change in career. Fortunately ticking the wrong box on a small screen is only an occasional error; all of the times I have downticked your posts have not been the result of an error.
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:40am
      - GazzaW
        
        Pathetic Morrissey. 1/10. You can do better.
        
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        December 27, 2017 11:49am
      - Morrissey
        
        1 out of 10—that’s a better score than you normally give me, Gazza! I’m on the up and up here!
        
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        December 27, 2017 12:09pm
Brito

Ritchie!!!!! Where’s Ritchie?????
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December 27, 2017 8:07am
kevn

Yep, “Bring back Buck” as well.
Moana doing a Masters in Finger Wagging. That is a JA specialty, along with virtue signals…
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December 27, 2017 8:11am
- Brito
  
  Fergie McCormack!!!! Where’s Ferg????
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:12am
  - Prince
    
    McCormick
    
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    December 27, 2017 9:26am
    - Brito
      
      Head hung in shame!!! Sorry!!!
      
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      December 27, 2017 9:47am
sooty

Biff. Bring back the biff!
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December 27, 2017 8:17am
- Morrissey
  
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  Bring back the Fib!!
  
  https://thestandard.org.nz/watch-bill-english-lying-through-his-teeth-on-housing/
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11948852
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:40am
holysheet

http://www.norvic-philatelics.co.uk/2006/images/060921-72p-2.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_69cH43tMXQA/S4zFCvjwL7I/AAAAAAAABEc/gxvX276ck6g/s400/Willie+Apiata.jpg

* Michael John Burne, Constable, New Zealand Police: One of the first armed offenders squad (AOS) members to arrive at Chaucer Road in Napier, after gunman Jan Molenaar opened fire on May 7 2009. “Constable Burne showed outstanding bravery, not only in making the decision to enter the immediate area outside 41 Chaucer Road on 7 May, 2009, at a very early stage in the incident, knowing at least one police officer had been shot and that shots were continuing to be fired by the offender, but also in remaining there after finding a colleague shot dead and a civilian wounded.”

* Austin Bernard Hemmings (posthumous), Auckland: Fatally stabbed when he went to the aid of Diane Nonu, whose former boyfriend was treating her a threatening and aggressive manner. “He deliberately put himself in danger and continued to protect Ms Nonu until he believed she had reached a place of safety. This outstandingly brave decision ultimately cost him his life.”

* Leonard Rex Holmwood, Napier: Shot by Napier gunman Jan Molenaar after he grabbed his rifle of Jan Molenaar, tried to dissuade him from firing it, and turned it away from its intended targets. “Mr Holmwood’s outstandingly brave actions prevented Mr Molenaar from firing further shots at the wounded police officers, giving them valuable time in which to seek cover and relative safety. In doing so he sustained potentially life-threatening injuries. Even when wounded, he attempted to provide assistance to another wounded police officer who lay nearby.”

* Dennis Michael Hurworth, Senior Constable, New Zealand Police: One of the first AOS members to arrive at Chaucer Road in Napier, after gunman Molenaar opened fire. “Senior Constable Hurworth showed outstanding bravery, not only in making the decision to enter the immediate area outside 41 Chaucer Road on 7 May, 2009, at a very early stage in the incident, knowing at least one police officer had been shot and that shots were continuing to be fired by the offender, but also in remaining there after finding a colleague shot dead and a civilian wounded.”

* Anthony McClean (posthumous), Auckland: Elim Christian College teacher who gave his life trying to save a group of 10 students trapped by rising flood waters in Mangatepopo Gorge, attaching himself to a weaker swimmer even though he stood a better chance of survival on his own.

* Anthony Walter Mulder (posthumous), Auckland. Elim Christian College student who drowned in Mangatepopo Gorge, after trying to save weak swimmer Floyd Fernandes by pairing with him and leaping into rising floodwaters. “Both Anthony Mulder and Tony McClean were competent swimmers and would have stood a much better chance of survival if they had attempted the stream on their own, even though they had no experience of the water conditions in which they found themselves. They also knew that their friends would have little chance of survival in such conditions without assistance but if they were tied together their own chances of survival would be significantly reduced. Nevertheless, they did not hesitate in agreeing to this part of the plan and, in acts of outstanding bravery, selflessly accompanied their friends into the torrent.

* Timothy Nigel Smith, New Zealand Police: One of the first police officers to arrive at the scene of the fatal shooting in Napier of Senior Constable Len Snee, and the wounding of Len Holmwood, and senior constables Grant Diver and Bruce Miller, by Molenaar. “Played a prominent role in the recovery of two seriously wounded police officers. Though unarmed, he displayed coolness, initiative and exceptional bravery in effecting the rescue of Senior Constable Miller under fire from the gunman. He put his life in danger again only a short time later when he joined the team that successfully rescued Senior Constable Diver.”

* Paul Anthony Symonds, Senior Constable, New Zealand Police: Among the first AOS officers to arrive in the vicinity of Chaucer Road when Molenaar opened fired. “He operated in an area of challenging terrain on a search and rescue mission for those shot by the offender knowing that Molenaar was volatile and not knowing his exact location. He knew that his life was in significant danger, despite being equipped with ballistic armour, as Molenaar was using high calibre semi-automatic firearms at close range.”

Your definition of a hero differs from mine. I prefer someone who actually does some thing to saves lives. Not some leftie who protests and does bugger all.
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December 27, 2017 8:18am
- Duxton
  
  What holysheet said.
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:22am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I concur. Those are REAL heroes. And in the case of those who died as a result of their bravery, Jesus’ words ring true:
    
    This is the very best way to love. Put your life on the line for your friends. John 15:13 (The Message)
    
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    December 27, 2017 8:28am
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      If he hadn’t kicked the bucket a couple of millennia ago, and if he’d been able to get to the United States, there’s no doubt Jesus would have joined Moana Cole’s group of peace activists.
      
      Or do you think he’d support the bombing of civilians?
      
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      December 27, 2017 8:51am
      - Lance
        
        You really really really don’t read the bible do you?
        
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        December 27, 2017 12:15pm
- Longknives
  
  Well said Holysheet!
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:26am
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    Hear, hear.
    
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    December 27, 2017 8:37am
- Morrissey
  
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  You think invading a heavily armed military base and dealing to some bombers is doing “bugger all”? The angry response of the U.S. establishment would seem to undermine your contention somewhat.
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:49am
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    Compared to putting yourself into immediate danger to save someones life? Yes. Cutting a fence and spraying paint around just doesn’t compare.
    
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    December 27, 2017 9:01am
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      They did put themselves in immediate danger. They could have been shot. They weren’t simply “cutting a fence and spraying paint around” like some drunken politicians’ sons might do, they were attacking war planes on a military base. I certainly wouldn’t dare to do it, and I’ll bet you would not either. They deserve our respect, and the respect of all those who oppose illegitimate and unwarranted attacks on civilian populations.
      
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      December 27, 2017 9:24am
      - holysheet
        
        No I wouldn’t be so fucking stupid.
        Respect has to be earned. By doing what they did doesn’t warrant any sort of respect. What immediate danger were they in? We all know they would not have been shot for their stupidity.
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:58am
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        You’re much braver than she is. Sure you are.
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:01am
      - Lance
        
        Well a heck of a lot smarter anyway
        
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        December 27, 2017 12:17pm
kevn

Holy… You have nailed it. Real people doing heroic acts in NZ. I’m sure there are many others.
Drifting around the globe finger wagging the big players just doesn’t cut it.
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December 27, 2017 8:24am
- sooty
  
  But that’s what snowflakes do!
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:39am
Longknives

This Lewis Hamilton thing is quite a Storm in a Teacup
He made a light-hearted throwaway joke about his Nephew dressing like a Girl and now all the Lefties and SJW types are shrieking their ‘outrage’…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11966223

He needs to play them at their own game- Hamilton needs to go on the attack about all those White people criticising him despite their ‘White Privilege’! They are fucking Racists!!!
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December 27, 2017 8:25am
- Harkman
  
  Longknives, my old friend there is another even more annoying incidence of the SJWs at work currently. Listen to a clip/song on youtube or every second TV ad break at the moment Apple is pushing it’s latest IPad with a stylus (a Samsung thing) with an 11 year-old kid pretending to be a Bohemian New York University student. For the first dozen or so times, I thought the kid was a boy, then yesterday I thought “hey that’s a girl” and then my brain clicked. That kid has been chosen for the ad by Apple because they look GENDER NEUTRAL. This nonsense needs to stop, the leftist disease at work again. Just let boys be boys and girls be girls.
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:27am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Even more shocking is that Lewis is now *32 years of farking age* – ouch.
  Not over the hill yet for an F1 jockey sure – but dang, where did that sand go to ya’ll ?
  
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  December 27, 2017 2:19pm
G152

And that social justice warrior who co-wrote a letter on the Net to Lorde asking her not to go to Israel now is crying to the press and the police that those meanies out there don’t (shock horror) agree with her.
And some went so far as to belittle her
Must be a hard life for such a , to paraphrase, broken arse
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December 27, 2017 8:29am
- kevn
  
  G152… Yes, such tragic fragile beings. Life must be tough…
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  Red Radio are currently running an interview with Lorde (Kim Hill). Turned it off, thats Red Radio for the day. They must of been drooling at mouth in anticipation of re-running that this morning.
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:00am
  - GazzaW
    
    Good move VP. Life’s too short and that would be 30 minutes of your life that you would never get back.
    
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    December 27, 2017 9:11am
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    Turned it off, thats Red Radio for the day.
    
    Why bother your head listening to two intelligent women? Try that great thinker Leighton “Ummm, Ahhhh, Errrrrrr, Ahhhhhmmm” Smith instead. He’s probably more your style.
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-18122013/#comment-746897
    
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    December 27, 2017 9:14am
    - Lance
      
      See… Morrissey does have a sense of humour.. snigger
      
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      December 27, 2017 12:20pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Well, Lance, I try to keep it light, my friend. Unfortunately, however, that pompous ass Hatin’ Leighton has no sense of humour at all. I’ve driven him to an on-air aneurism on more than one occasion, including this one from the early years of the Key administration…
        
        LEIGHTON SMITH: M-M-M-M-M-Morrissey from Northcote Point, you’re a nutcase!!!! Go away and don’t bother me again! Go and get a job! The world is made up
        of some STRANGE people! …. [continues ranting insanely]….
        
        NewstalkZB, 10:58 a.m., Monday July 5, 2010
        
        https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/riles$20leighton$20smith%7Csort:date/nz.general/3f_p0a-uW-g/HomnlX8KxUwJ
        
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        December 27, 2017 12:31pm
- Harkman
  
  It is staggering how foolish Lorde has made herself look to normal, sensible people. Subjective boycotts never work because they are inconsistent. Visiting Russia, ha! That’s classic.
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:32am
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    Lorde having to deal with a faux enraged arty mob may have put her career in jeopardy. She’s managed–her livelihood depends on it.
    
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    December 27, 2017 11:48am
- Brito
  
  You need to think this thing through.
  
  If Lorde had gone to Israel it would have been seen as the second coming. Therefore the Christians would have been right.
  
  Therefore…it’s a Jewish conspiracy to keep her out.
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:38am
Manolo

First Obama, now this bugger: A progressive’s disease:
http://theweek.com/speedreads/745293/bill-de-blasio-likens-himself-thomas-edison-henry-ford-mahatma-gandhi
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December 27, 2017 8:34am
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  “It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious middle temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half-naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organizing and conducting a defiant campaign of civil disobedience, to parley on equal terms with the representative of the king-emperor.”
  
  – Winston Churchill, 1930
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:39am
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    Shortly after Churchill expressed contempt for Gandhi, he was praising Hitler as a moderate influence, and praising General Franco.
    
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    December 27, 2017 9:31am
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    kowtow, Gandhi won and Churchill lost !
    
    Hah , hah …. !
    
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    December 27, 2017 9:57am
MCos

Everyone knows that reacting to headlines without reading the accompanying material can have unintended consequences.

The Salt Lake Tribune pronounced 85y.o. Senator Hatch their Utahn of the Year with a big front page photo. The senator proudly announced the award on twitter https://twitter.com/OrrinHatch/status/945375067927490560?ref_src=twcamp%5Eshare%7Ctwsrc%5Em5%7Ctwgr%5Eemail%7Ctwcon%5E7046%7Ctwterm%5E1
seemingly without reading the accompanying editorial, which contained the following:

“The selection of Sen. Orrin G. Hatch as the 2017 Utahn of the Year has little to do with the fact that, after 42 years, he is the longest-serving Republican senator in U.S. history, that he has been a senator from Utah longer than three-fifths of the state’s population has been alive.

It has everything to do with recognizing:
Hatch’s part in the dramatic dismantling of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante national monuments.
His role as chairman of the Senate Finance Committee in passing a major overhaul of the nation’s tax code.
His utter lack of integrity that rises from his unquenchable thirst for power.”
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December 27, 2017 8:52am
Longknives

Ha Ha Dirty old Gandhi!

Just Google his ‘Brahmacharya’ experiments…
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December 27, 2017 8:52am
- Harkman
  
  Or look up Penn & Teller Bullshit Gandhi and there is lots on his racist beliefs.
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:36am
Digmen1

I don’t know what any of the 50 posts above are about.

Why is there so much mindless drivel on such obscure subjects on KB.
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December 27, 2017 9:08am
- GazzaW
  
  Wrong side of the bed this morning Digmen?
  
  It is General Debate, it is the silly season and as Morrissey kicked off blame him.
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    Gazza W, alt right lunacy never should gain control on KB postings
    
    A foothold is bad enough !
    
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    December 27, 2017 10:02am
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      What about religious nutters who eat the Sky Fairys body and drink its blood in funny rituals
      That’s enough to make one ralph
      
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      December 27, 2017 10:04am
      - GazzaW
        
        …….and what about those intolerant KBers who decry others deeply held beliefs?
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:33am
      - Nukuleka
        
        Bigot.
        
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        December 27, 2017 3:48pm
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        Gazza and Nuk
        I was more pointing out Stephie hypocrisy than being anti religious.
        Perhaps I could have expressed it better
        Soz
        
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        December 27, 2017 3:56pm
    - KevOB
      
      Perhaps its time to camp out at the Standard and return their favours.
      
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      December 27, 2017 11:50am
- kevn
  
  Dig… Well your post addition is especially vacous.
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:22am
Sofia

Nikki Haley, Washington’s UN envoy, criticising New Zealand resolution 2334 on the anniversary of it passing – … Now it’s one year and a new administration later. Given the chance to vote again on Resolution 2334, I can say with complete confidence that the United States would vote “no.” We would exercise our veto power. The reasons why are very relevant to the cause of peace in the Middle East. But in truth, it was Resolution 2334 itself that was an impediment to peace. This Security Council put the negotiations between Israelis and the Palestinians further out of reach by injecting itself, yet again, in between the two parties to the conflict …

But this item does not mention that New Zealand diplomatic staff in fact took the Egyptian draft resolution circulated just days earlier (but already rejected and withdrawn after a strongly negative reaction from Israel’s Netanyahu and In-Coming President Trump) and tabled it verbatim – except for the addition of numbering 13 paragraphs – with the direction of Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully, the sponsorship of Senegal, Malaysia and Venezuela, and the likely collusion of the US abstention (John Kerry’s November meeting in Wellington, New Zealand)

Both documents are online and can easily be compared –
• Text of Egyptian-drafted resolution on settlements scheduled for vote at the UN Security Council on December 22, 2016 ( 933 words ) link: https://www.timesofisrael.com/full-text-of-draft-un-security-council-resolution-demanding-israel-cease-all-settlement-activities/
 • Resolution 2334 (2016) – New Zealand ( 946 words – difference: 13 paragraph numbers ) Adopted by the Security Council at its 7853rd meeting, on 23 December 2016 http://www.un.org/webcast/pdfs/SRES2334-2016.pdf

Is it not proof that the UNSC was indulging in its usual biased “Israel bashing”, to have apparently just blindly passed New Zealand’s resolution 2334 … so blindly as to not recognise it as “Egypt’s rejected and withdrawn draft” verbatim ?

Some could question how The United Nations Security Council could allow this to happen. but that would actually require some recognition that it in fact has happened, revealing how inept and biased the UN has become.

And is the Lorde issue not just as inept.
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December 27, 2017 9:08am
- Inandout
  
  The US will exact revenge on the UN leeches, those who suck American money and then spit it back in the donor’s face. Nikki Haley is a legend.
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:14am
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    She’s an embarrassment. Do you think her boss has attacked her physically yet?
    
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    December 27, 2017 9:15am
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      Morrissey , The President is only marking time until temptation becomes too much !
      
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      December 27, 2017 10:04am
      - Inandout
        
        You and mossey think of one thing only, eh St Lukes boy?
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:09am
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        Actually, he’s probably scared of her. She came across as a virago at the U.N. the other day.
        
        Trump only attacks girls and women who he thinks are powerless or frightened of him, as evidenced by his mauling of those shocked and terrified Miss USA contestants.
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:12am
  - holysheet
    
    In morriseys book Haley would be a hero then? Imagine the shear terror of getting up in front of all those despots and leftie scum and tell them their funding is going to dry up. That takes guts.
    
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    December 27, 2017 9:23am
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      She’s no hero. She looks frustrated and angry and like she’s just itching for vengeance—exactly like Helen Clark looked after the Waihopai Three damaged that U.S. spy base.
      
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      December 27, 2017 9:28am
  - Harkman
    
    Nikki Haley is one spectacular Christmas present.
    
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    December 27, 2017 9:38am
- Scott
  
  Unfortunately NZ under this administration and sadly under the previous administration chose to take an anti Israel line at the UN. And this current administration seems determined to upset the USA who back Israel and Australia who don’t want to be badgered about their refugees.
  One wonders when this madness will stop? Will commonsense prevail or will the NZ government continue to pursue this self destructive path? One wonders what is next for our virtue seeking Prime minister? Perhaps hosting tri partate talks in Wellington with Iran and North Korea?
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:38am
- Wayne Mapp
  
  Resolution 2334 was primarily about the US (under Obama) making a point to Israel about the continuing settlement activity on the West Bank.
  
  Even Trump recognises that it is a problem. The US can’t actually unwind the Security Council resolution.
  
  A peace solution that involves two states is virtually impossible with the current rate of settlement. But Israel has a dilemma. It also cannot agree to a one state solution and remain fully democratic and with a clear primary Jewish identity.
  
  Israel appears to have concluded that the best solution for them is a continuing occupation of the West Bank, without actually incorporating it into Israel, is sustainable for many decades to come. The Wall/Fence helps achieve that. It essentially separates Israel from the West Bank and Gaza Palestinians to the point they have almost no interaction, except for the serving military.
  
  Israel has also concluded the US essentially has Israel’s back, pretty much irrespective of the make-up of the US government. The Europeans know they can’t get too anti-Israel because of their anti-semitic past, particularly true of Germany and to some extent France.
  
  Most of the Arab world has given up on the Israel/Palestine issue. They know Israel is now extremely strong and is a permanent part of the Middle East. So they have become quite muted in their posturing, unless it serves some other need in addition to simply being anti-Israel.
  
  For instance Turkey striking out to become the dominant power in the Middle East, something of a restoration of their role over many centuries. Being anti-Israel (primarily at the level of atmospherics) serves that purpose, particularly since the EU has decisively rejected Turkey. There is now no reason for Turkey to kowtow to European demands, in fact resisting them is part of their leadership bid..
  
  So now it is all virtue signalling, such as by Lorde and others. But even that can’t too far without looking like it is anti-semetic.
  
  In the US, in particular, there will soon be federal anti-BDS laws. They are likely to bite pretty hard on companies and institutions such as Universities that practise BDS. One could easily envisage that the US could soon deny visas to non-US citizens who practise BDS. After all no-one actually has a right to a visa. So long as the policy is non-discriminatory the courts will uphold it. That is anyone who has voluntarily joined a BDS movement will not get a visa.
  
  The Trump Administration is not done yet in having Israel’s back.
  
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  December 27, 2017 12:24pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Mr Mapp, you’re not in parliament any more. You can speak plainly and honestly now.
    
    Your latest comments about the Israeli occupation—you claimed with a straight face the other day that it’s “lawful”—are almost as ill thought out as your dissembling about Afghanistan when you were Minister of Defence.
    
    I confronted you on that back in 2013….
    
    One would have thought that, as a cabinet minister, you would have acquired a degree of caution, and a modicum of judgement, and even a lick of common sense. I am sure that I am not the only person who will consider your choosing to quote someone as discredited as Colin Powell, and with apparent approval, as a troubling sign.
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/he-toki-huna-new-zealand-in-afghanistan-maori-tv/#comment-624513
    
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    December 27, 2017 12:41pm
    - Wayne Mapp
      
      Morrissey,
      
      If you think Colin Powell is discredited, well you are wrong. He is greatly respected in the US as a senior statesman and distinguished soldier. Yes, his UN reprise of the missiles of October did damage him, but not to the point of being discredited.
      
      Israel has claimed legality for the war of 1967 under article 51, though they had to use the the law of pre-emptive defence. That is striking when there is a high risk of imminent and immediate attack. By and large that has been accepted.
      
      However, in the case of the West Bank, it was Jordan that struck first. Israel was actually hoping Jordan would satay out of it. More fool Jordan because they pretty quickly lost the Battle for Jerusalem and the battle for the West Bank. If they had not attacked in 1967, maybe there would have been a fully fledged West Bank state of Palestine by now.
      
      The occupation of the West Bank, of itself, is therefore legal. The reason being that the war that resulted in in it was legal.
      
      That of course means Israel has the legal duties of an occupier. Settlements are a breach of that which is why the Security Council passed Res 2334.
      
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      December 27, 2017 1:02pm
  - HC
    
    I think this is a pretty accurate picture re where we are at with the ME situation, particularly re Israel and the Occupied Territories (administered by the PA, but largely controlled by Israel, through not only walls and border crossings, but also the infrastructure in place).
    
    But the ME and NE remains to be a very volatile region, and the still mostly corrupt regimes in many Arab countries can sooner or later be overthrown, and I bet the ones that belonged to so called Islamic State, they are working over time now, to destroy certain regimes and their leaders.
    
    Egypt for instance is a place to watch, so are of course Lebanon, Jordan, and ‘work’ is already under way in Yemen, Libya and so forth.
    
    With what we have, there could one day be a very nasty back-lash by Arabs, most of whom are young, under- or unemployed, live in relative poverty, and who are increasingly desperate to have change for the better, no matter whether that is what we would consider ‘better’.
    
    Turkey is playing a cunningly smart game there, in Iraq, Syria and also supporting Qatar. I think Assad is unlikely to ever fully control Syria again, as the Russians will have to make some concessions to Turkey, to keep Turkey as a new kind of ‘friend’, useful to Putin and Russia, in undermining EU unity, and also keeping the US out of the ME.
    
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    December 27, 2017 2:47pm
  - Sofia
    
    Wayne Mapp, can you see any purpose in the just past National Government taking the Egyptian draft resolution – already soundly condemned by Israel’s Netanyahu and vehemently opposed by then In-coming President Trump, to the extent that their combined opposition persuaded to withdraw it – make the minor change of adding 13 paragraph numbers, then table it verbatim as New Zealand’s resolution?
    
    New Zealand’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations, Ambassador Gerard van Bohemen, reveals, in his 9 March 2017 address to the New Zealand Institute of International Affairs –
    That resolution was someone else’s resolution that we took over the line. If it was our resolution the language would have been different. We wouldn’t have put it quite that way, but we were comfortable with it … I went to bed feeling deflated. It was nice to have a resolution … It would have been nicer if it had been our one.”
    
    Was it all to just appease McCully – that he had done something in his time serving on the Security Council – was that it only fucking purpose?
    
    Gerard van Bohemen admits what has not been acknowledged (to my knowledge) anywhere else from US UN Representative Nikki Haley to Winston Peters.
    
    Do these people realise what McCully did, and if so why has not one of them pointed it out? Or is McCully’s crowning glory, just so much ordinary Israel-bashing, it matters for nothing anyway. As does Obama abstaining being an equally forgotten fact as well.
    
    If “Resolution 2334 was primarily about the US (under Obama) making a point to Israel about the continuing settlement activity on the West Bank” why did Obama not have the guts to say that himself? Why was he not involved with the UK in helping the Egyptians word their resolution?
    
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    December 27, 2017 3:17pm
VicParking

Lorde is trending on twitter:
Feminist @lorde cancels concert in Israel – only place in the Middle East where women are truly equal – on moral grounds. I look forward to her making a stand for the millions of oppressed women living under Islam. Or cancelling her Russian concerts due to the treatment of LGBT.

“Anyone that will play in Russia and not play in Israel based on alleged human rights concerns is either ignorant or anti-Semitic,” one Facebook user wrote.

“To recap: artist from country built on colonialism and land theft has zero qualms playing in Russia or the Vatican, but refuses to play in a state built by a returning indigenous people,” added another.

@Lorde If you canceled your concert in ?? Israel, an imperfect liberal democracy, but not in ?? Russia, a perfect dictatorship that poisons its own dissidents, persecutes gays, and helped kill 500,000 Syrians, you’re not being pro-human rights—you’re just being anti-Israeli.

Best quote “A MELTING SNOWFLAKE”
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- stephieboy
  
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  Vic Parking , Trump and his toadies had and have no hesitation currying up to the Russians nor Trump condemn their intervention in Syria .
  
  LOL
  
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  December 27, 2017 10:16am
  - All_on_Red
    
    That’s not true
    
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    December 27, 2017 10:17am
- Paulus
  
  Does Lorde have Maori hidden in her somewhere – sound like it.
  
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  December 27, 2017 2:11pm
Digmen1

Trump is Making America Great again.
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December 27, 2017 9:27am
- stephieboy
  
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  In what way ?
  
  https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/
  
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  December 27, 2017 10:04am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Rassmussin has him on 44 and they were the most accurate of all Pollsters.
    538’s aggregating system has its weaknesses.
    Some times the numbers aren’t quite what they seem.
    As any good accountant would tell you…
    
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    December 27, 2017 10:10am
    - stephieboy
      
      Like Trump Unemployment stats vs Obama 2016 ?
      
      LOL !
      
      How’s donate and courier a brick to the White House panning out ?
      
      LOL!
      
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      December 27, 2017 10:19am
      - All_on_Red
        
        If shit was Whit you wouldn’t be worth anything.
        I’d give you 3/4 for that though.
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:22am
Chuck Bird

This book looks like an interesting read.

Mohammed’s Koran: Why Muslims Kill For Islam (Review)

Today, in the United Kingdom, you will be arrested for hate crimes if you quote Winston Churchill’s writings on Islam. Indeed, in 2011, political candidate Paul Weston was arrested for quoting Winston Churchill:

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries [followers]! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia [rabies] in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. “

http://www.rightminds.nz/articles/mohammeds-koran-why-muslims-kill-islam-review
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December 27, 2017 9:37am
- Harkman
  
  Best not to quote a white man about Islam, they’ll label you a racist. Ha!
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:41am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Chuck Bird , this also looks an interesting read ,’
  
  https://www.nobeliefs.com/DarkBible/darkbible3.htm
  
  What manner of loons run your link ?
  
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  December 27, 2017 10:08am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Anglicans with a Catholic tradition?
    LOL
    
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    December 27, 2017 10:12am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Decapitate Them!
      
      “And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, ‘Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel.'” (Numbers 25:3-4)
      
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      December 27, 2017 10:14am
- KevOB
  
  If you want sanity read Churchill. He writes well too–no misplaced macrons.
  
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  December 27, 2017 11:55am
Maggy Wassilieff

UK Universities to be fined for threatening free speech…
Student Leaders aren’t happy.
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/dec/26/student-leaders-criticise-jo-johnson-after-threat-over-no-platforming-policies
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December 27, 2017 9:39am
- Harkman
  
  Yes, did you hear about the safe space crayons? One of the funniest things all year.
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:46am
stephieboy

Lads ,a must watch TV series , Generation War (the German answer to A band of Brothers ) as a group of young soldiers head towards the cauldron of the Eastern Front ,1941

The Battle of Kurchtow (connect and turn up the sound bar or surround sound ) Amazing and devastating Street fighting )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dTHHt45zzU

The trailer for the series ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmyGPX23px4&t=9s
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December 27, 2017 9:45am
- All_on_Red
  
  Raaaalph!
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:51am
  - stephieboy
    
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    You’re stalking of me is relentless .
    
    Go and visit your Doctor !
    
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    December 27, 2017 10:12am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Well stop going around the blog smearing your shit on everyone.
      You never debate anything but just behave like a rude little fuck.
      Hardly Christian of you Ralph.
      Does that add up?
      
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      December 27, 2017 10:15am
      - stephieboy
        
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        All on Red , I’m afraid with you it is regrettably not that difficult given the infantile name calling you indulge in .
        
        Give up the mad obsession and visit your shrink !
        
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        December 27, 2017 10:21am
    - RalphT
      
      Eh? What have I done now?
      
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      December 27, 2017 10:45am
srylands

So this is the new normal.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/semitrailers-block-traffic-at-pitt-street-as-crowds-flock-for-sales-20171226-h0a93v.html
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December 27, 2017 9:49am
ChardonnayGuy

Can I just say how profoundly puzzled I am that David, my esteemed fellow Whovian, has not commented on this scene from last night’s Doctor Who episode “Twice Upon A Time” as yet? 😉 :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJqsPBWbtjk
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December 27, 2017 9:50am
- CHFR1
  
  I guess because it is all too predictable. Now we have a woman the next Doctor needs to be a tranny of colour and so on.
  It is sad really as I was a fan of the old school Doctor but I guess the franchise has now run its course and it is time for something new.
  
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  December 27, 2017 10:40am
  - JIV
    
    Star Wars fell for the same pressure. Luke reincarnated as Rey, an orphan left on a deserted planet who suddenly finds she is at one with the force.
    Then an idiotic engineer called Rose who’s just annoying and them Laura Dern shows up for no reason at all.
    They basically wrote a script and then crowbarred female characters in to appease the feminists.
    
    Science Fiction used to use aliens as extras. Now everyone has to be female.
    
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    December 27, 2017 11:46am
    - GazzaW
      
      So nothing’s changed JIV 😉
      
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      December 27, 2017 12:37pm
- Longknives
  
  I have been a huge Doctor Who fan/nerd most of my life.
  I have no problem with a female Doctor- What I do have a problem with is that they selected her simply because of the pressure from Femnazis and SJW types..and now the franchise is royally fucked!
  It’s never enough you see- The next Doctor will HAVE to be Black or Transgender or a Disabled Dwarf or fucking whatever!
  The quality of the show will suffer as it’s not about Sci-Fi Entertainment anymore, It’s all just an exercise in Virtue Signalling…
  I’ll never watch it again.
  
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  December 27, 2017 11:34am
  - JIV
    
    They already dipped their toe in the social justice pond with Bill being Lesbian. It didnt progress the story at all but just ticked off another criteria.
    
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    December 27, 2017 11:49am
Dave Mann

Sadly, this blog is becoming unreadable. Today its Morrissey who has hijacked it, but other days its someone else like William of wherever, Stephieboy, ztev or Hugh whatsisname who takes it over.

I’m all for intelligent debate and I don’t just want to live in an echo chamber… but these people are just boring, predicable and idiotic.

The main problem is that the blog layout makes it almost impossible to skip to the next thread and find something worth reading and instead of just ignoring them, so many people try to engage in debating them – to no avail.

GD has become clogged with excrement. Who wants this shit?
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December 27, 2017 9:50am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, as I said above the first 50 posts in this GD today are just mindless drivel.
  I don’t want to waste my time skimming though that to find someone worthwhile to read or comment on.
  
  Maybe the onwer of this blog needs to have a talk to some people. Or to have blog on certain subjects
  Eg NZ Politics
  US politcs
  Jews
  Mulsims
  Housing
  Drivel
  etc
  
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  December 27, 2017 10:02am
  - holysheet
    
    Maybe the onwer of this blog needs to have a talk to some people. Or to have blog on certain subjects
    Eg NZ Politics
    US politcs
    Jews
    Mulsims
    Housing
    Drivel
    etc
    
    You left out the most important subject
    Comments by Digman1
    
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    December 27, 2017 10:38am
    - fernglas
      
      Why not just have one more thread headed “Personal abuse”? That should shift fully 2/3rds of the comments on this blog to where they belong, and people won’t have to pretend any intellectual justification for their pettiness any more.
      
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      December 27, 2017 12:59pm
- kevn
  
  Dave… Yes. The (only a few of them) professional multi blog monitoring trolls are just becoming annoying with silly comments and multi links that no-one links too. See the name, don’t read and down tick automatically.
  DF should just block them as totally negative non contributors.
  WO is a nice distraction. He just empties the trolls out.
  
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  December 27, 2017 10:43am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Well I actually think it’s important to keep the leftist no hopers in play. When they are unable to enter in to intellectual debate (without spewing out the doctrinaire nonsense we see from those you listed) it helps keep the ordinary, decent people commenting here aware of:
  a) the weak arguments that they’ll encounter if they express any wrongthink views when SJWs are around
  b) the weakness of the logic supporting the standard libtard policy platforms (ie “Diversity is important because of feelingz)
  
  We need to keep the crosshairs on the enemy and we need to know their gambits.
  
  I say keep them on and keep on reading their drivel. Know thine enemy!
  
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  December 27, 2017 11:31am
  - KevOB
    
    Give us a break from them periodically–one at a time?
    
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    December 27, 2017 11:59am
  - Morrissey
    
    Could you specify what I have written that is “doctrinaire”, please? That just seems like a convenient smear in order to avoid engaging in debate.
    
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    December 27, 2017 1:05pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Comments 1 through to 1918 and counting could be a start Mossey-Cakes
      
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      December 27, 2017 5:45pm
  - stephieboy
    
    D P ,
    
    “Diversity is important because of feelingz)” Not forgetting rational and reasoned observation . And because it works as we have seen historically with the US melting pot etc over the last couple of centuries .
    
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    December 27, 2017 3:14pm
- Simon
  
  Unhinged
  
  It’s worse on twitter
  
  With so much MAGA it’s going to get a lot worse
  
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  December 27, 2017 11:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jump over to the exchange between David Garrett and Scott Hamilton on “Good move from UK Government” to see how a debate can progress –
  
  Both men willing to make concessions whilst still making new points.
  That’s the stuff I come to KB to read.
  
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  December 27, 2017 12:42pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    Thanks Maggy…. I’ve checked it out and its refreshing! Cheers and Merry Chritmas and a happy new year to you.
    
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    December 27, 2017 5:52pm
- Morrissey
  
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  I’m all for intelligent debate and I don’t just want to live in an echo chamber…
  
  That’s simply not true. I caught you out parroting some stupid propaganda just the other day.
  
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  December 27, 2017 1:03pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘parroting some stupid propaganda ‘
    Nice lack of self awareness you got going there.
    
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    December 27, 2017 1:19pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Oh really? Could you specify an occasion on which I have been guilty of regurgitating propaganda, please? That’s on this site, or anywhere else.
      
      (And a little reminder: simply disagreeing with a government, whether it’s National, Labour or whatever it is, is not propaganda, it’s contention, or discussion, but not propaganda.)
      
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      December 27, 2017 1:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Everyday.
        Along with overwrought hyperbole and lies.
        Sad!
        
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        December 27, 2017 2:46pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Not one example to support your statements, though. Just abuse.
        
        Hey, you could work for Roseanne Barr!
        
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        December 27, 2017 2:49pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You were giving me abuse the other day.
        See. Your lack of self awareness and hypocrisy is stunning.
        You’re just a troll Morrissey.
        
        Recent example of your lies and hyperbole is saying hundred of NFL players were bending the knee. They aren’t.
        I could go on. Your posts are littered with it.
        You’re a joke.
        
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        December 27, 2017 3:03pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Recent example of your lies and hyperbole is saying hundred of NFL players were bending the knee. They aren’t.
        
        On Sept. 24th, MORE THAN TWO HUNDRED professional football players refused to take part in the government-sponsored loyalty demonstration before their games. In fact, 204 players took part in the protest. Since then, as I’ve already pointed out to you, a combination of bribery (tens of millions of dollars) and threats has resulted in most of those guys opting out for the time being.
        
        Still, there are still two dozen staunch men still refusing to bow to Trump’s ridicule and to the owners’ threats and to the unceasing mockery of fools on Fox Radio and other media outlets. That’s incredibly impressive, considering football is THE most conformist and militaristic sport on the planet.
        
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/09/24/the-breakdown-of-the-players-who-protested-during-the-anthem/105962594/
        
        You’re just a troll Morrissey…. You’re a joke.
        
        I’ve meticulously documented my posts and refuted everything you’ve said, and all you can do is spray abuse. To anyone with a fair and open mind, it’s obvious who’s arguing in good faith here and who is not.
        
        And what the hell is “overwrought hyperbole”, for pity’s sake?
        
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        December 27, 2017 4:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It’s December you moron.
        Not September
        Only 24 at the games last week kneeled.
        Do try to keep up.
        
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        December 27, 2017 4:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        My apologies Morrissey. It wasn’t 24. It was only 23
        Lol
        https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/craig-bannister/seattle-seahawk-players-account-more-half-nfls-anthem-protesters-week-15
        
        The link also links to ESPN who confirm the numbers
        
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        December 27, 2017 6:13pm
  - softail 1450
    
    morronissey ,I know northcote point quite well ,I wasn’t aware of any halfway houses for alcoholics and deluded drug addicts in that area, that is where you reside isn’t it ?
    
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    December 27, 2017 1:38pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Indeed. Do drop in, my friend. We’ll share a Pimms, or a bottle of moonshine smuggled in from the Hokonui Hills.
      
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      December 27, 2017 2:09pm
      - softail 1450
        
        I have a place in princes st,lovely sea views unfortunatly they are thru the piers of the fricking harbour bridge ,it’s been rented for decades to smelly and noisey ….
        
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        December 27, 2017 2:21pm
      - Morrissey
        
        You rent to Smelly and Noisey? I think I know them. Diamond geezers they are…
        
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        December 27, 2017 2:48pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    What propaganda was that?
    
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    December 27, 2017 5:53pm
Colville

Have a look at this comment on the Standard.. in reply to a comment about farmer suicide..

Mr Scooter 8.1.1.1.2
26 December 2017 at 9:08 pm
Clint Eastwood in one of his movies said “A man has to know his limitations.” Obviously these farmers knew theirs. Thinning of the herd and all that.

This comment has now been up for 14 hours….

So the Standard and the left really do want all farmers dead.
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December 27, 2017 11:05am
- sam green
  
  No they don’t – there was a response to that comment ….
  
  “Incognito 8.1.1.1.2.1
  26 December 2017 at 10:04 pm
  WTF!? This is not o.k.”
  
  There are people on this blog that make dickhead comments too.
  
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  December 27, 2017 11:45am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    . <– that was the point! And you missed it! Totally.
    
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    December 27, 2017 11:59am
    - sam green
      
      You made no point.
      
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      December 27, 2017 12:03pm
  - Colville
    
    sam.
    My point, albeit an unspoken one, is that a comment inviting and belittling the suicide of any lefty group would result in a near instant and lengthy ban and also deletion of the comment if the Mods on the Standard did not 100% agree with the sentiment expressed.
    Just another item to be filed under “its ok when the left do it”
    
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    December 27, 2017 1:20pm
    - sam green
      
      The comment is not OK. How do you know it was a “left” person? Its not ok when anyone says it.
      
      Whoever said it is a dickhead and I have heard much the same on this blog (calling for murder) without censure from the moderator.
      
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      December 27, 2017 1:57pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Good point Sam. All blogs have their tribal members (both antagonistic and sympathetic) and hyperbole from such. Sometimes it goes too far [and here as well]. Most of us try to keep it civil, but everyone has their buttons pushed occasionally and lets loose a shot across the bows. Its nice to see that you’re trying to be balanced and fair unlike Morrissey, ztev, stephieboy etc
        
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        December 27, 2017 3:05pm
- ztev
  
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  No one said ‘wanted all farmers dead’- theres your problem, you cant read .
  
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  December 27, 2017 11:51am
kevn

Col… They are just morons. Especially the clowns who leave this type of mindless comment.
I have never entered ‘the standard’ blogsite. I can imagine the echo chamber there.
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December 27, 2017 11:21am
DifferentPerspective

Stupid little bimbo – Lorde

As usual, it looks like spotty Lorde’s racist and anti-semitic boycotting of Israel is going to be costly, all these big entertainment industry names are censuring our home-grown bigot.

Virtue-signalling, it’s always stupid, it’s always costly and it achieves the opposite of what you are after.
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December 27, 2017 11:56am
- Inandout
  
  She’s sunk and will now be an ‘untouchable’. Her decision, her bed.
  
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  December 27, 2017 12:09pm
- Morrissey
  
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  Yeah she better watch out, because this greasy lump of stupid is coming for her. Amble for your life, Lorde!
  
  http://images.performgroup.com/di/library/sporting_news/e1/70/roseanne-barr-national-anthem-072015-ftr-snjpg_94v8ytdgg96k15xk2io4s2mwp.jpg?t=-1323931826&w=960&quality=70
  
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  December 27, 2017 12:15pm
- sam green
  
  Most of the people on that list are those that make the money out of performers – no wonder they want her to reconsider.
  
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  December 27, 2017 1:15pm
- MCos
  
  I note in the letter above the list of names is the sentence:
  “Artists should never become beholden to the political views of a small but loud minority.”
  How ironic is that?
  I don’t think for one moment she is anti semitic based on this decision. After all she had originally planned to take her song & dance act to Israel before changing her mind.
  If I was her I would have steered well clear of that whole region in the first place. It’s not worth the political capital others are now trying to make out of the situation.
  Not only are these people involved & pro Palestinian groups, but the Israeli government & the local ambassador are all having their say.
  
  Ultimately whether she were to go the Israel or not wouldn’t make a jot of difference either way to the situation over there. I also doubt whether any of the politically motivated groups or individuals inflammed by her decision care a jot about her career.
  
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  December 27, 2017 1:42pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Ultimately whether she were to go the Israel or not wouldn’t make a jot of difference either way to the situation over there.
    
    Then why is the Israeli government going into overdrive to convince her to change her decision? And why are self-styled “friends of Israel” like Roseanne Barr spitting bile at her? The world-renowned Israeli journalist Gideon Levy was talking about such false friends when he said this in Auckland earlier this month…..
    
    ‘The so-called “friends of Israel”, who support Israel automatically and blindly: this has nothing to do with friendship. They are enemies of Israel—they corrupt us. The Jewish establishment in Australia kept saying to me: “Israel right or wrong.” Well, Israel is wrong and they need to stop supporting it. Continuous support by Western governments and by the Jewish establishment is anything BUT friendship.’
    
    http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.co.nz/2017/12/unbelievable-brutality-day-after-day.html
    
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    December 27, 2017 2:16pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘ the Israeli government going into overdrive ‘
      Really? Overdrive?
      Hyperbole much.
      
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      December 27, 2017 5:32pm
- Jack5
  
  Lorde wins regardless. The on-off Israel visit has gained her free publicity that scores of millions of dollars worth of advertising wouldn’t match.
  
  The publicity has reached tens of millions of adults who might not have heard of her.
  
  How many other celebrities will now use the on-off tours to controversial places – perhaps Ukraine, or for the desperate, North Korea or West Papua?
  
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  December 27, 2017 1:48pm
- GazzaW
  
  Check out that list of names and Morrissey’s statement to me of two days ago that I was a bigot in claiming that there was Jewish influence in the entertainment industry and that Lorde was foolish to cancel her Israel tour.
  
  I’m far from bigotted where Israel is concerned Morrissey and I will stick to my guns that Lorde’s career will suffer as a result of this cancellation.
  
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  December 27, 2017 2:15pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Good on you, Gazza—I accept your word about your integrity in this matter. But I don’t agree that her principled stand will affect her negatively, any more than refusing to play in another, albeit less brutal, apartheid state a generation ago affected entertainers.
    
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    December 27, 2017 2:21pm
Morrissey

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Fat Nazi sympathizer Alert!

Maybe fat Roseanne should try hooking up with another Nazi fetishist—the Shepherd-Killer, Prince Harry.

http://viciousbabushka.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b72a74970b014e89ae6cbf970d-pi
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December 27, 2017 12:19pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Hmm ….mysogynism, fat-shaming and godwinning from a tolerant lefty…. how ironic.
  
  But then, I forget myself. Of course!
  
  It’s ok when the left do it!
  
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  December 27, 2017 2:41pm
  - Morrissey
    
    How is anything I said about her mysogynistic? Do you think that Roseanne Barr can say anything she likes, no matter how depraved and dishonest, and that she deserves a free pass because she’s a woman?
    
    I see she’s had gastric band surgery, so I admit she’s not grossly fat any more.
    
    Otherwise, however, she’s just as offensive and as ignorant as ever she was.
    
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    December 27, 2017 2:45pm
  - ztev
    
    Roseannes own words – Im fat !
    “New York – Roseanne Barr says she is having trouble growing comfortable with ageing, but not with her weight.
    
    The comedian jokes in the November 6 issue of Newsweek that’s she has had her stomach stapled so that it’s “the size of a walnut and I still maintain my weight at 180 (81kg).”
    
    “I used to just gorge,” she says. “Now I gorge all day on smaller amounts. I’m still fat and I always will be and I don’t care.”
    https://www.news24.com/World/News/Roseanne-still-fat-20061030
    
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    December 27, 2017 2:49pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Fat is fine. Stupid and brutally dishonest is not fine, however.
      
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      December 27, 2017 2:51pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Stupid and dishonest’
        Gasp- is that abuse and an insult?
        
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        December 27, 2017 5:30pm
kevn

Sort it DF
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December 27, 2017 12:33pm
- Morrissey
  
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  What’s your problem, kev? Can’t you speak for yourself?
  
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  December 27, 2017 12:45pm
cmm

Reason number 253 why rail is a crap idea:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/western-leader/100192505/scrub-fires-at-west-auckland-cemetery

One wee scrub fire and the rail link has to shut down. If it was a bus route, thy could just go on a different road.

Between that, earthquakes, unions, staions held hostage by feral scum, etc, rail links have the problem of being very vulnerable to single points of failure.

It is different in places with huge population densities, but for NZ commuter rail is just not a good idea.
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December 27, 2017 1:10pm
- ztev
  
  Really ?
  Why is Auckland commuter rail passenger numbers increasing by 15% a year then ?
  
  In perth, much the same metropolitan population as Auckland, a single line -Mandurah-has the same passenger numbers as all of Auckland.(20mill)
  Perths total passenger numbers are around 50 mill per year, so Auckland has a long way to go.
  
  Your talk of ‘big city’ is just nonsense, really big cities just have more lines and trains every 3 mins instead of every 10 mins.
  
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  December 27, 2017 2:46pm
  - cmm
    
    ztev If you are going to quote an example to bolster your case, then do some better research.
    
    Perth is subsidising $777M a year into its commuter rail and other public transport, yet passenger numbers are dropping off. Yes you read that right $777 Aussie dollars. That’s about $500 per year for every person in Perth.
    
    https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wa/wa-government-mid-year-review-found-transperth-passenger-numbers-down-ng-36359cb207e7e7dfc7cfbdb47329193a
    
    Freemantle (Perth’s harbour) subsidises rail to the tune of $50 per container to pretend it works:
    
    https://www.railexpress.com.au/fremantle-rail-subsidy-to-rise/
    
    It rail is such a good idea then why does it need such massive subsidies? People would use it voluntarily.
    
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    December 27, 2017 4:56pm
Jack5

Whale Oil backs Karl du Fresne in defence of Don Brash against the trendy, Leftist PC mob angered by Brash daring to question Guyon Espiner for Espiner’s taxpayer-funded crusade to drive New Zealanders to learn Maori language.

Whale:
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/12/the-illiberal-liberals/#more-354416

du Fresne:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/100144418/socalled-liberals-heap-scorn-on-don-brash
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December 27, 2017 1:42pm
- BeaB
  
  And what a patronising list in The Listener so we dinosaurs could understand it. Really helpful words and phrases like kia ora and morena that we couldn’t possibly understand otherwise.
  Now Reo (see, I can drop the Te too!) has become a trendy liberal fad as well as another club to beat oldies with.
  As though none of us had ever heard it before.
  
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  December 27, 2017 2:41pm
  - KevOB
    
    Drop what you like: the language is becoming more meaningless and pidginised. “Moko” is apparently now in common use. The ignorant pushing its use are helping to destroy it.
    
    The preceding “te” changes “reo’ from “a sound” to “the sound”. There is a paucity of root words to convey the word “language”.
    
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    December 27, 2017 5:26pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      Yeah its interesting – the Maori I learned in the 80s in a bilingual class from a teacher who came from Wanganui (no “h” back then) is *very* different from the “standardized” Maori now taught in schools and Uni. Its almost a dialect by comparison. A lot of the modifiers have been changed.
      
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      December 28, 2017 2:03pm
Morrissey

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Dr. Wayne Mapp will no doubt sneer that Lisa Goldman and other young Jewish rights activists are “virtue-signalling”….

Nabi Saleh is where I lost my Zionism
by LISA GOLDMAN, 972 Mag, 24 Dec. 2017

By the time I began going to Nabi Saleh, I had spent about four years reporting on what I saw in the West Bank and Gaza, watching detachedly as my politics moved ever leftward. What I witnessed in that small West Bank village was the last straw….

https://972mag.com/nabi-saleh-is-where-i-lost-my-zionism/131818/
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December 27, 2017 2:05pm
DifferentPerspective

Safer Journeys? NOT!

So we’re entering the 3rd year of NZTA’s “Safer Journey’s” strategy which is guiding their investment of $3.2 billion of OUR MONEY in road safety over the life of the strategy.

Aaaand like all good government agencies … they’ve achieved exactly the opposite of what was intended with the road toll already sky-rocketing from 319 deaths in 2015, to 327 in 2016, trending nose-bleedingly upwards to 383 to date (with a few more prang-packed days to go). A staggering 20% movement in the wrong direction!!!

In a rational world, if you had an investment firm handling $3.2 billion and they’d achieved a 20% loss against your investment wouldn’t the shareholders be a teeny weeny bit unhappy.

Why isn’t there outrage about this wrong-headed waste of government money?
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December 27, 2017 2:31pm
- ztev
  
  You should ask the previous government about reducing its spending on police traffic officers and patrols.
  This story details the numbers:
  “Last year, the government cut 111 officers from the road policing teams. It represented an 8 per cent reduction to the then 1353 dedicated road policing positions.”
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/100061307/police-understaffing-and-stress-playing-a-part-in-high-road-toll-says-officer
  
  To be fair, theres been cuts on other aspects of police numbers such as crime investigation, ie detectives.
  Tehn come the election, they me too labour and promise to increase police numbers ! really
  
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  December 27, 2017 2:40pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Oh look! A squirrel!
    
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    December 27, 2017 2:43pm
Manolo

Isn’t Obama a genius?
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/u-department-store-stocks-jump-holiday-spending-record-195126015–sector.html

Shares of U.S. department stores jumped on Tuesday as Mastercard Inc said shoppers spent over $800 billion during the season, more than ever before, boosted by growing consumer confidence, rising employment and early discounts.

The report said holiday sales in stores and online between Nov 1 and Dec 24 rose 4.9%, the fastest year-on-year pace of increase since 2011.
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December 27, 2017 2:40pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Why would shares in department stores rise? They’re folding at an amazing rate in the USA, and apart from a very few high-end offerings; malls are as well.
  
  I bet dollars-to-doughnuts that if those numbers were disambiguated there would be a huge majority of MasterCard transactions from online shopping.
  
  Edit to add: but I do take your point re: the economy being very strong.
  
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  December 27, 2017 3:17pm
  - cmm
    
    Why would department store shares rise?
    
    Well they’re already heavily depressed by the lack of retail speniding. Any uptick in spending will reverse that.
    
    Sure, they will might be down relative to the boom years, but any spending will leade to a better position.
    
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    December 27, 2017 5:00pm
    - kevn
      
      cmm… Sylvia Park Mall in Auckland was mental apparently, queues out to the motorway. The big box shops seem to going well.
      
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      December 27, 2017 5:10pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        Sylvia Park is not Chicago, LA or New York.
        
        NZ, for better or worse, tends to be about 10 years behind the US etc although I would argue that we’re catching up at a rapid rate and tend to more like 2-3 years.
        
        Boxing Day Sylvia Park = Black Friday (the day after Thanksgiving) in the USA. Sure, its the one day of the year people flock to malls and big box stores.
        
        Now, go on a random Tuesday in May, or a Saturday in August.
        
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        December 27, 2017 5:18pm
    - Pharmachick
      
      @cmm Fair enough – stocks rising does not equal “new high prices” (which is what I *think* you were saying). I appreciate that.
      
      Still stand by my comment … as sales of goods goes more and more to e-commerce, I personally would look to the online stores etc for profits from the markets (if I were to invest in the stockmarket(s)), which I don’t… so that’s totally irresponsibly speculative and you should ignore me. 😉
      
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      December 27, 2017 5:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        A year ago Amazon was $776 per share.
        It’s now $1176.
        
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        December 27, 2017 5:38pm
nasska

2016: Trump hates Jews!
2017: Trump is a Zionist puppet!

2016: Trump will destroy the economy!
2017: 4% growth, deregulation, soaring Dow, tax reform.

2016: Trump will create more terror!
2017: ISIS on the run.
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December 27, 2017 3:37pm
- Inandout
  
  I think he has Mueller fooled. Trump thinks like a businessman with a canny understanding of finances, whereas Mueller thinks with public servant stodge. If things don’t fit with the FBI bosses they will create a hole to squeeze through; going by the handbook of course. There is nothing more difficult that an unpredictable adversary such as Trump.
  
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  December 27, 2017 4:41pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Mueller does have a very good reputation.
    I think he’s been fooled by his staff. It certainly looks like when he became aware of their behaviour he acted and moved them out.
    If anything, Muellers mistake was bad judgement about who he picked.
    It’s a bit like Comey. Liked and well respected but then completely stuffed up the Clinton/Lynch meeting and the Hillary email investigation.
    Wrecked his career.
    Everything the Clinton’s touch they poison.
    
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    December 27, 2017 5:24pm
Morrissey

Well, he’s a genius compared to the John Wayne Gacy of a clown that’s in the White House now.

Mind you, Trump makes Warren G. Bush* and George W. Harding* look like Bertrand Russell.

* See what I did there?
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December 27, 2017 4:35pm
- Inandout
  
  For Morissey to digest:
  ‘Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain – and most fools do’. Benjamin Franklin
  
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  December 27, 2017 4:44pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘John Wayne Gacy of a clown’
  Gasp- is that abuse and an insult?
  Lol
  
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  December 27, 2017 5:26pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Do you think he’s more of an Oleg Popov, do you? I think he’s John Wayne Gacy—apologies to the Gacy family for the invidious comparison.
    
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    December 27, 2017 6:31pm
- Longknives
  
  John Wayne Gacy was a lifelong Democrat.
  
  https://www.reddit.com/r/creepy/comments/3pzhni/serial_killer_john_wayne_gacy_meets_first_lady/
  
  Sometimes you just walk right into these Morrissey..
  
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  December 27, 2017 5:37pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hahahahahahaha
    That’s gold!
    
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    December 27, 2017 5:40pm
  - Morrissey
    
    The Clintons and Obama are Democrats too. So are Charles Schumer and that scumbag that’s currently mayor of Chicago. I despise them as much as I despise anyone in the Trump gang.
    
    It’s a measure of how little analysis you have done and therefore how little understanding you have that you are fixating on what labels these criminals pin on themselves. The fact is: the U.S. political class is beholden not to the poor schleps that vote them in, but to their wealthy backers. And in spite of all the P.R. nonsense about “millions of small donations” in 2008, that applies to Obama as much as it does to the Clintons and the Bushes.
    
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    December 27, 2017 6:36pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘ U.S. political class is beholden not to the poor schleps that vote them in, but to their wealthy backers.’
      
      That’s the beauty of Trump. He’s not a politician and dgaf about donors.
      You should get over the chip of your shoulder and wake up to his disruptive role.
      
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      December 27, 2017 6:47pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , Trump may not be beholden but the real ugly beauty about Trump is that he is a serial and prolific liar .
        
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        December 27, 2017 6:49pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He’s an imperfect man that’s for sure.
        So are you Ralph
        Go to Church, give readings but look at Porn and perv at young girls
        Eh you Creep
        
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        December 27, 2017 7:12pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I saw what you did there – you put some pretty stars in. Morrissey is a clever boy
  
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  December 27, 2017 6:47pm
Digmen1

Meanwhile here in NZ our Boxing Day sales are going so well that just about every major retailer has extended them to Thursday or even Sunday.

That will just spoil future Boxing Day sales as every knows they will probably be extended!

And its not due to “booming online sales” because online sales have been bouncing along under 10% here in NZ for the last ten years.
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December 27, 2017 4:42pm
Stars And Stripes

Driver accused of killing Auckland taxi driver Abdul Syed appears in court
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11966239
“A 20-year-old man who allegedly ran a red light in his Mercedes-Benz and crashed into a taxi, killing the driver, blew more than three times over the legal limit.
Farshad Bahadori Esfehani a Mt Roskill resident was granted bail when he appeared before a justice of the peace yesterday in the Auckland District Court”.

A wog from Mt Roskill is the alleged driver.
Why am I not at all surprised.
The diversity dividend paying richly for NZ again only this time he wiped out another fellow vibrant.
Should have stuck to riding camels I reckon.
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December 27, 2017 4:43pm
- Inandout
  
  I don’t recognise that taxi uniform.
  
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  December 27, 2017 4:48pm
- nasska
  
  “Esfehani” suggests that the pickled one was Iranian whereas “Syed” is a Pakistan/Indian surname.
  
  We may have a Sunni vs Shia vendetta coming up.
  
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  December 27, 2017 4:51pm
- kevn
  
  S and S… Liquor is foreign/poison to these folk. Three times over the limit means he would have been absolutely incapable and proved to be so… unfortunately. Ran away after the collision (not an accident), what a hero. Hope the police nail him and his pal good and hard.
  
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  December 27, 2017 5:06pm
  - nasska
    
    He’s probably going to be in the shit with Allah too:
    
    “O ye who believe! Strong drink and games of chance and idols and divining arrows are only an infamy of Satan’s handiwork. Leave it aside in order that ye may succeed. Satan seeketh only to cast among you enmity and hatred by means of strong drink and games of chance, and to turn you from remembrance of Allah and from (His) worship. Will ye then have done?”
    
    (Quran 5:90-91)
    
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    December 27, 2017 5:11pm
  - Digmen1
    
    This is when I believe in Sharia law.
    (I think the usual punishment in Iran is a bullet in the back of the head 3 days after the trial)
    
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    December 27, 2017 5:14pm
- Digmen1
  
  Its a shame when decent kiwis are killed by drunken kiwis who flee the scene.
  
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  December 27, 2017 5:12pm
- igm
  
  Is this camel jockey going to be deported or treated like some kind of superior being by our judiciary? Bet that liar from Greens is on his case.
  
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  December 27, 2017 6:09pm
- doggone7
  
  You reckon we can undo the dreaded diversity? Where shall we send all those white fullas? Australia?
  
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  December 27, 2017 6:18pm
- stephieboy
  
  S and R etc , time for you all to return to your dementia unit.
  
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  December 27, 2017 6:52pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    That’s not very Christian of you Ralph
    
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    December 27, 2017 7:13pm
    - RalphT
      
      AoR, what’s with calling stephieboy Ralph? It’s a very special name I’ll have you know. While it means wolf counsel, it has nothing to do with the lone wolves that inhabit Mt Roskill and other places inhabited by the stephiestanis. We genuine Ralphs have no time for those wolves and think NZ has got more than enough of them, thank you very much.
      
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      December 27, 2017 7:47pm
Don the Kiwi

Just goes to show how useless Obama was when he (the closet Muslim who secretly supported ISIS) caused many more civilian deaths, and delayed the defeat of ISIS.

” ISIS has lost 98 percent of the territory it once held — with half of that terror group’s so-called “caliphate” having been recaptured since President Trump took office less than a year ago, U.S. military officials said Tuesday.

The massive gains come after years of “onerous” rules, when critics say the Obama administration “micromanaged” the war and shunned a more intensive air strategy that could have ended the conflict much sooner.

“The rules of engagement under the Obama administration were onerous. I mean what are we doing having individual target determination being conducted in the White House, which in some cases adds weeks and weeks,” said retired Air Force Lt. Gen. David Deptula, the former head of U.S. Air Force intelligence. “The limitations that were put on actually resulted in greater civilian casualties.”
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December 27, 2017 5:17pm
Johnboy

Jeeze. Even an average shot with a .22 could have brought the prick down and the cops are meant to have marksmen trained with the 5.56mm round!
One shot(Maybe more with police marksman). Quick stretcher job. Traffic moving again. 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/100190061/holidaymakers-facing-big-delays-on-roads-out-of-auckland
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December 27, 2017 6:23pm
- Longknives
  
  What an Asshole!
  
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  December 27, 2017 6:26pm
  - Longknives
    
    The idiot who stopped the Motorway- Not you Johnboy!..
    
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    December 27, 2017 6:27pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I knew that Longknives. My assholes tiny cause it’s never been a gay asshole so could never suffer from the superlative…”What” 🙂
      
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      December 27, 2017 6:31pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”My assholes tiny cause it’s never been a gay asshole”….
        
        I never doubted that for a second JB. 🙂
        
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        December 27, 2017 6:47pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I once had a virtual ram that challenged my unhappy status while I was bending over giving an ailing virtual ewe a bit of a massage nasska. He made reasonably good virtual eating after some time in the slow cooker! 🙂
        
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        December 27, 2017 6:54pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Fuckin ole minus doesn’t seem to have gone on holiday yet?
        I guess he has no rellys that want to see him. 🙂
        
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        December 27, 2017 6:56pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        would you invite that whiny little bitch to yours over the holidays?? or at any time really?
        
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        December 27, 2017 7:15pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Why does (what my dear old daddy used to call) the 10cent solution not get used more often in NZ?
  
  No trouble for the courts, prison system etc etc.
  
  Avg IQ for the country would rise
  Can’t breed when ya dead so better for out future and the gene pool
  
  Just can’t see a down side
  
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  December 27, 2017 6:50pm
stephieboy

Don the Kiwi , utter bollux . The solid groundwork against ISIS began March 2016 when the assault against Daesh’s last stronghold and defecto capital,Mosul began. Trump toadies and lackeys cast a slimy slur against the Kurd , Iraqi and Shia ground forces ( with US ground and air sup[port ) against a defiant and fanatical enemy .

We should never allow newspeak Trump and his toadies try to claim the nigher moral ground with this tragic and sorry affair when a cowardly attempt is made to rewrite the historical record .

The rich irony behind all this is a Trump who lied about his claimed opposition to the 2003 invasion and war . Not forgetting the same for the 2011 bombing of and overthrow of Gaddafi .

Two among many , many falsehoods that would go down in the annals of propaganda and infamy .
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December 27, 2017 6:32pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Ralph- Trump changed the Rules Of Engagement.
  That’s the difference.
  For example in Afghanistan they could only fire if fired upon.
  The troops used to watch the Taliban walk around on the ridges with weapons and couldn’t do anything.
  That’s changed.
  The MOAB showed them that.
  Oh and Trump is allowed to change his mind. Especially now he has the job of having to deal with the mess he’s inherited.
  When the facts change, I change my mind, what do you do sir?
  John Maynard Keynes
  
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  December 27, 2017 6:43pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Now repeat after me 50x .
    
    Trump is serial liar !
    
    A mess that goes go back to a a war in 2003 that he supported !
    
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    December 27, 2017 7:00pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Hahahaha
      That’s President Trump!
      Suck it up and try getting over it.
      Maybe you should pray for him?
      Hey, how was your reading on Christmas Day?
      Do the PowerPoint of your Ivanka porn?
      No- maybe on the 28th Jan then…
      Hypocrite much
      
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      December 27, 2017 7:16pm
    - Inandout
      
      stepboy, you really must stop watching CNN, it poisons the mind; all that 90% anti Trump is turning viewers off.
      
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      December 27, 2017 7:44pm
BananaLlama

I owe DPF an apology I should have listened when he went into bat for Macron.
Sorry DPF.

French President Emmanuel Macron is increasing migrant expulsions and allowing ID checks in emergency shelters.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5213191/Macron-ramps-expulsions-ID-checks-migrants.html
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December 27, 2017 6:34pm
Digmen1

But the Italian “government” is letting some legals into Italy.

Who in the right mind would want to allow such people into their once nice and classy country?
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December 27, 2017 6:48pm
- BananaLlama
  
  Italian and government is an Oxymoron, they are gearing up for an Election soon so it will be interesting to see what happens there.
  
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  December 27, 2017 6:50pm
Steve (North Shore)

Sad people here today, quite a few wanking in this hot global warming weather. Some bitching about the traffic – hey from North Shore took ONLY 2 hours to Mangawhai with the boats, and do it all again tomorrow with the caravan. There are some aggressive fucking wankers out there who just push in. Tangle with a 3 ton Landcruiser and a boat you will not win, and then you tangle with me.
Best thing is my Grandkids are with me tomorrow, so I will not get ANGRY. We are on holiday. Dashcam gets the fuckheads and I do report them.
Poverdy in NZ so I am spending so as to pay as much GST as I can to help Taxinder with her future problems.
END OF RANT
Happy New Year
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December 27, 2017 7:04pm
- nasska
  
  Picked up my new V8 Landcruiser 70 a couple of weeks ago Steve. Deck should be fitted late next week & we’ll be on our way.
  
  204HP & max torque at 1000rpm!
  
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  December 27, 2017 7:14pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Drive around in my wifes little fiat, every cunt with a small dick and a big 4×4 ( not you lads of course) tries it on and drives like a idiot.
  
  In my SS, most ppl behave…
  
  it’s an interesting example of (almost) human behaviour
  
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  December 27, 2017 7:25pm
  - nasska
    
    You don’t get a lot of hoons in 70 series Landcruisers Awww C-mon. They’ve got a bit of grunt but still handle like blocked drays on the highway. Turning circle is a bit over 14 metres which makes reversing the caravan or boat a trifle tricky. One of Fonterra’s milk tankers is easier to park.
    
    But for sheer stump pulling power & traction I’ve yet to find something under $100K that will beat it.
    
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    December 27, 2017 7:37pm
Brigitte

Okay, time for a Xmas quiz.

In what year did Good Friday fall on Boxing Day?

(and yes, there is a correct year)
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December 27, 2017 7:20pm
Don the Kiwi

Good question Brigitte.
Google is my best friend. 😉

“1899
The horse “Good Friday” fell in the King George VI Chase on Boxing Day 1899.”
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December 27, 2017 7:48pm
Don the Kiwi

I think that’s supposed to be King George V.
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December 27, 2017 7:51pm
- Brigitte
  
  Still wrong on the George. I think you’d need IV but the race in question was the Thorneycroft Steeplechase. It makes a good trivia question though.
  
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  December 27, 2017 7:59pm
starboard

Geez im bloody sure that ‘woman’ in the bar I picked up last night was a woman…
Back to me hotel in Bangers it had meat and 2 vege strapped
Backwards if you know what I mean..?
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December 27, 2017 8:04pm
- nasska
  
  So it was stink rather than pink starboard? 🙂
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:19pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Starboard:
  
  Did you take home a “Morrissette” only to discover that “she” was a Morrissey? 🙂
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:36pm
  - starboard
    
    Lol..lets say it was an interesting situation..3/4 shit faced..no one would know…very beautiful..
    
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    December 27, 2017 10:12pm
Left Right and Centre

Wife of killed taxi driver doing everything she can to ‘have a future in NZ’.

What future ?

She came here to ‘study’. Study is finished.
Time to go home then.

Before the crash, what was the plan ?
They should’ve been planning to leave.

I just want to do a bit of study.
Yeah fucking right.

What is **wrong** with NZ ?
Why on earth does NZ let in all of these losers on bullshit student visas ?
And then man drives taxi with woman pushing out babies – clinging on tooth and nail to their immigration status.

Get. Real.
I wonder what she studied ? And what it was that couldn’t be studied in India ? Why come all the way to NZ to do it ? Must’ve been kiwifruit husbandry eh.
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December 27, 2017 8:09pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Time to go home then”…..
  
  Hey! What about the feelz comrade? If she can wrangle a charity citizenship she can bring all the no hoping bludging rellies with her.
  
  Sob story made in heaven!
  
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  December 27, 2017 8:17pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Yep. I don’t know why this country bends over spinelessly to these people wanting everything done their way – in this case the Indian way. As in – oh no, my Indian culture dictates that I have to stay with family for x months before returning, and that could affect my immigration status.
    
    Here’s NZ possibly offering someone a chance at citizenship. Oh, the irony. If you want to move to another country – you do things *their* way. The way of the country where you aspire to be. If you can’t have it both ways, you’ll have to demonstrate how keen you are to be a New Zealander by toeing the *NZ* line. Not your Indian one. You want to *leave* India, remember ?
    
    I’m sure a lot of people are sick of the endless nonsense foot in the door immigration bullshit like this classic example.
    
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    December 27, 2017 8:42pm
    - nasska
      
      Immigration with a expectation of assimilation into prevailing NZ culture was the norm up until relatively recent times.
      
      We now have a series of ‘Little Homecountries’ instead of a cohesive society……it’s not an improvement.
      
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      December 27, 2017 8:49pm
      - stephieboy
        
        A ‘Cohesive Society ” ? Like one spawned by the conforming straitjacket of the 1950s etc ?
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:18pm
    - stephieboy
      
      LRC , who on earth takes your moonbat ideas seriously out there in the real world .
      
      NZ society has changed irrevocably for the better but still keep putting your head in the sand ( where it permanently belongs )
      
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      December 27, 2017 9:20pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        China’s one child policy.
        Japan.
        Game over. Piss off dickhead.
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:39pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie team: When can you get it through your mat-banging-damaged heads that there is no space before full stops or question marks.
        
        Are your questions being automated translated into English by Google Translate? I doubt even it makes that mistake.
        
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        December 27, 2017 9:45pm
    - Manolo
      
      100% in agreement.
      
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      December 28, 2017 7:52am
- Digmen1
  
  Sadly the previous National Government thought it was a good Industry for us! $10,000 for student fees!
  
  It needs to be stopped as its turning into a flood!
  
  (And many of the Indians are muslims which makes it even worse)
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

So far 29 comments by Morrissey have disappeared from today’s GD.
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December 27, 2017 8:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  Maggy Wassilief , do you relish the idea of trying to childishly censor those who disagree with you ?
  
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  December 27, 2017 9:17pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh God, Stephieboy, did I forget to count your disappeared comments?
    
    So sorry, but I’ve got to clip my toenails and soak my false teeth now.
    
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    December 27, 2017 9:27pm
- Manolo
  
  Excellent news.
  
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  December 28, 2017 7:49am
Captain Mainwaring

Is there anyone in the history of Kiwiblog who has had more downticks per comment than the seriously deranged loon called Morrissey?
Anyone?
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December 27, 2017 9:22pm
- big bruv
  
  Phool Ure?
  
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  December 28, 2017 7:05am
kevn

z ?
s boy ?
That completes the triad of losers. (sound familiar?)
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December 27, 2017 9:23pm
starboard

Morrissey Breen and Stephieboy are the result of 2 cousins who slept together.
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December 27, 2017 10:15pm
ChardonnayGuy

Gender Perfidy has been on the march in New Zealand for Quite a While. In the early nineties, one New Zealand Finance Minister is known to have constantly worn (gasp!!!) women’s clothing (!!!)… as have three New Zealand Prime Ministers!!!

(Sorry, but those attitudes? In this day and age? My, aren’t some social conservatives quaint?)
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