General Debate 26 December 2017

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Dany

$285 million budget cut at the UN, now that’s a Christmas present I like!
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December 26, 2017 8:05am
- flipper
  
  THAT is the cut in the US contribution …. a sample of things to come.
  
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  December 26, 2017 8:34am
  - CrazyIvan
    
    I’m not sure that’s right; it’s being reported as a drop in the U.N. operating budget, not how much the US contributes. Still, a good start…only 1-2 billion to go
    
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    December 26, 2017 8:53am
    - flipper
      
      The US media say it is the US contribution approved by Trump.
      Right now the US pays 22 % of UN budget, and 28 % of peace keeping. Many in the US want the share to be 1/190th. That will piss off the pantywaists !!
      
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      December 26, 2017 9:48am
      - sooty
        
        Just as well Helun is not there anymore, there might have been a cut in perks. We will have to hope they cut off her super.
        
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        December 26, 2017 10:16am
      - ztev
        
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        Cut off the UNs nose to spite HIS face
        
        Just dont the US go running to the UN security council to get sanctions on North Korea or Iran or anywhere the US has enemies
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:19pm
- Scott
  
  Yes it’s a good move by the US and they are following through on their promise to take action against the UN following its condemnation of America for daring to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
  
  Nikki Hailey and Trump mean what they say and the other part of the story is the decision of NZ to vote against the US. I’m sure our government was anxious to signal its virtue.
  
  However America was taking names and rest assured this vote will come up when next we are wanting something from the Americans. Like a trade deal!
  
  Why we would want to sabotage our relationship with the US because of the situation in Israel, that has nothing to do with us, is a mystery to many?
  
  However our government is lead by social justice warriors who always perceive Israel as bad because they are white and represent western civilization.
  
  Could somebody please put adults in charge of our government who don’t sacrifice our vital economic interest for the sake of feckless virtue signalling in a situation that has nothing to do with us!
  
  AND YES I AM SHOUTING BECAUSE THIS IS JUST CRAZY!!!
  
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  December 26, 2017 8:38am
  - Longknives
    
    The sneering comments from Left Wing Politicians about this are telling-
    ‘The US has never done anything for us’
    ‘We don’t need America’ etc etc
    
    These same Left Wing politicians were doing nothing but Shrieking and Protesting (as usual) while the US Warship was in Kaikoura getting stuck in and helping the clean-up after the big quake..
    The Left are scum.
    
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    December 26, 2017 8:57am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The Venezuelians held a candle lit whatever it is they do, moment for those in Kaikoura while those alt right evil white imperialistic fascist redneck racist bastard Americans were putting boots on the ground, metaphorically speaking
      
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      December 26, 2017 9:22am
    - Jack5
      
      Yep, and even worse, the protests against visiting warships from the United States Navy, which with considerable loss of American lives, saved NZ from being invaded in World War 2.
      
      A contrast with thousands of red-flag-waving Auckland Chinese welcoming a warship from the People’s Liberation Army Navy – the sea arm of the armed forces of People’s Republic of China.
      
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      December 26, 2017 10:26am
      - ztev
        
        In WW2 they were ,like us , fighting against the Japanese . …..not so much recently.
        
        Afghanistan and Iraq voted against US too. Expect repercussions for them ?
        UK , France, Germany, Italy voted against….. Trump will refuse to visit again….that will show them.
        
        Trump should be more worried about how his Republicans will go in the elections in 11 months time….. mid terms can have a ‘wave of support’ for the party out of government.
        Meanwhile the GOP cant even get a budget together as theres another 2 week stop gap.
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:24pm
      - peterwn
        
        Yes, taking the boat out to the sunken USS Arizona memorial at Pearl Harbor really puts in perspective.
        
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        December 26, 2017 8:29pm
    - igm
      
      Especially the likes of zetev and morris. In fact they are lower than a snake’s belly.
      
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      December 26, 2017 4:09pm
  - calendar girl
    
    I agree, Scott. We have a Government whose leader and most of its senior office-holders are immature and naive. There will be an inevitable political price for NZ to pay, one that will be of the USA’s choice and timing. McCully’s recent folly targeting Israel at the UN was bad enough, but that did not involve such a direct slap in the USA’s face. Now, however, the Kids in our Capital have openly castigated a major allay (and the mainstay of our critical defence treaty) for implementing policies that the latter regards as being part of its national interests.
    
    All for no reason other than polish its own veneer of sanctimony, and to be seen to bloody the nose of the big power on the international block. My only real surprise is that Winston Peters, Deputy PM and Minister of Foreign Affairs, has allowed this travesty to slide through. Shame on you, Mr Peters.
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:17am
    - stephieboy
      
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      “.. immature and naive. ..”?
      
      From a Trumpista who should know .
      
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      December 26, 2017 9:48am
      - flipper
        
        You really are as thick as you pretend to be.
        Get wired stupidboy. Right now there is a major disconnect inside your skull.
        
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        December 26, 2017 9:53am
      - calendar girl
        
        That’s a witty response, stephieboy. You must be very proud of that effort.
        
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        December 26, 2017 3:42pm
- GazzaW
  
  Do you really believe that the UN will cut it’s expenditure? NZ along with other ‘sympathetic’ nations will just be asked to make up the difference. And we will – regardless of who’s in power.
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:26am
  - cmm
    
    Do you really believe that the UN will cut it’s expenditure?
    
    They can’t print money. Are other countries really going to step up and pay more?
    
    Ovr the last few years the UN has just become a guilt-peddling organisation that keeps taking our money and telling us how evil we are. Apparently we’re a sex trafficking and people smuggling shit hole
    
    I can’t see NZ voters wanting to pay more to support the UN. Why should anyone else?
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:43am
    - GazzaW
      
      So our share of the proposed cut by the USA might be a couple of mill. Do you really think that the matter would even be raised in Parliament? I doubt that the Nats would even bother to ask the question at QT. Straight under the radar cmm, it’s petty cash.
      
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      December 26, 2017 9:55am
    - Victor Omega
      
      You think the govt GAF what the NZ voter thinks? Jesus. We have 3M earmarked to give the Clinton Foundation in 2018, to add to the 7M+ we’ve already given those lowlife scumbag pieces of shit ffs.
      
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      December 26, 2017 10:01am
    - kevn
      
      cmm… JA’s next stop is the UN. Bet on it.
      
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      December 26, 2017 10:12am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, I said the same thing a few weeks ago.
        
        She seems to have completely lost interest in NZ politics and is instead posturing on the world stage.
        
        We’re just a little rung in her ladder as goes for a UN slot.
        
        But the UN seems to be destroying itself. Its relevance on the international stage is falling quickly.
        
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        December 26, 2017 11:25am
      - Adolf Fiinkensein
        
        Straight after she abdicates in favour of Peters in Sept/Oct 2018. It’s in the secret coalition agreement, doncha know?
        
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        December 26, 2017 5:19pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Thinks she’s now worried about finance now the Don has told UN to foxtrot Oscar? Bet your bottom dollars she is. But she will still go. If only she had the balls of Nicky Haley. Helen has her back.
        
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        December 26, 2017 6:57pm
    - s.russell
      
      The idea of the UN is to have talking rather than shooting. The talking may be mostly rubbish but it’s still better than shooting.
      
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      December 26, 2017 12:40pm
      - cmm
        
        Just talking on its own does not stop the shooting. Sometimes only shooting stops the shooting.
        
        The UN “peace keepers” in Rwanda talked heaps but didn’t stop the genocide.
        
        The United Nations actually started during the second world war as a commitment to continue fighting the war.
        
        http://www.un.org/en/sections/history/history-united-nations/
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:54pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    What’s the bet China fills the gap in return for more support of it’s hegemonic agenda.
    
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    December 26, 2017 10:00am
    - stephieboy
      
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      “hegemonic agenda.” ?
      
      Another 1,000 year Reich ? with a much , much smaller Nuclear capability than Trumpland
      
      LOL
      
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      December 26, 2017 10:06am
    - GazzaW
      
      Spot on Urban. More importantly the media will grant China the ‘moral’ victory in topping up the UN coffers after the US had welched on its international obligations. China unsurprisingly wants international approval and the US is leaving the door open to them for the sake of what is to China just petty cash.
      
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      December 26, 2017 3:14pm
- VicParking
  
  To put $284 million into perspective, its like saving 10c in your $60,000 household budget.
  
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  December 26, 2017 10:29am
  - Victor Omega
    
    Here’s my take on it. The average US texpayer pays $8,136. 284M is about 30,481 people NOT working for the U.N. next year.
    
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    December 26, 2017 10:40am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The same budget modeling as auckland council then but with the head honcho at the Unfunctional Neoliberals getting slightly less than the Auckland chief clerk
    
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    December 26, 2017 12:22pm
- Harkman
  
  That Nikki Haley is the gift that keeps on giving. What a woman.
  
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  December 26, 2017 10:31am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Yeah, what that man said
    
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    December 26, 2017 6:59pm
lifesgood

Someone has to be first! Happy boxing day, everyone! Auckland has been granted a Christmas wish of rain…first decent fall in weeks. I hope the farmers are getting it, and all the holiday water tanks. Be safe everyone, the roads will be slippery.
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December 26, 2017 8:06am
- waikatogirl
  
  Yes lifesgood, finally rain in the Waikato too. Had one night of rain since very early in November. Water tanks refilling, and lovely to hear the rain on the roof. ☔️
  
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  December 26, 2017 8:11am
  - RalphT
    
    And it’s fair pelting down here in Wellington. While there aren’t too many farmers in the city, the lawns and gardens were getting rather brown.
    
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    December 26, 2017 8:39am
    - backster
      
      Well the drought started at the time that Mallard like Judas disavowed the Lord Jesus Christ on our behalf in the Parliamentary Prayer and Jibber Jabbered instead to some Maori Dieties. ..Maybe he repented and went to Christmas Mass. Hence a brief respite.
      
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      December 26, 2017 10:54am
- lifesgood
  
  Lol! Downticked! Who is that nutter? Poor bigger.
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:00am
  - RalphT
    
    A bigger bugger?
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:11am
    - lifesgood
      
      Yep, that’s apt. Predictive text is a bugger too!
      
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      December 26, 2017 9:14am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Ztev warming up in Willis Street for a day on the troll . . . .
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:24am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    That’ll be ztev, biking in to Fraser House from Wainui and getting soaked. Cheer up Old Bean!
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:47am
    - flipper
      
      Nasty road that Keeping.
      May be we will be lucky !
      
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      December 26, 2017 9:55am
      - holysheet
        
        Flipper, are you wishing for the worst to happen to Ztev?
        Quickly, someone alert Kimbo!!!!!!!!
        
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        December 26, 2017 10:03am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ holysheet
        
        Nah, low-level schadenfreude is par for the course for sad keyboard warriors. But when arseholes take the step beyond garden-variety misanthropy, and endorse the assassination of NZ politicians, then they get special, albeit occasional mention. Just for the sake of mental hygiene. Helps to warn others in a neighbourly way where and with whom they are likely to tread on dog shit. Thanks for reminding us all of your past “contributions”, btw. Anyone would think you were starved of attention.
        
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        December 26, 2017 11:47am
    - VicParking
      
      He proberly have a sleep In with his favorate goat
      
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      December 26, 2017 10:33am
      - holysheet
        
        I am sure it’s halal, VicP
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:01pm
Manolo

AGW Christmas madness:
A Canadian government website claims Santa Claus signed an international agreement to relocate his workshop to the South Pole to escape the effects of man-made global warming in the Arctic.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/23/govt-website-claims-santa-will-move-to-the-south-pole-to-escape-global-warming/
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December 26, 2017 8:07am
- cmm
  
  How fucking dumb would that be?
  
  Setting up show as far away as possible from where most of the raw materials come from (Northern Hemisphere) and where the finished goods have to go to (Northern hemisphere).
  
  That’s going to need a lot more flying reindeer and those bastards fart like crazy!
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:46am
- Harkman
  
  Yes Antarctica, where the AMOUNT OF ICE has increased due to global warming. Oxymorons are amazing.
  
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  December 26, 2017 10:38am
  - cmm
    
    Is Oxy Moron related to Moronsey?
    
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    December 26, 2017 5:15pm
flipper

My oh my …. the build-up to another year.
Happy Boxing day….. keep your creddie cards safe …. and tell TVNZ to shove its “happy holidays” up its ……
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December 26, 2017 8:09am
- Longknives
  
  “tell TVNZ to shove its “happy holidays” up its ……”
  
  Get used to it I fear Flipper.
  I think Christmas is on the way out- It’s certainly being phased out by State TV/Radio and our Labour/Green Coalition from Hell (who refuse to acknowledge it)
  And I know of at least one Schoolteacher who teaches his kids that Christmas is ‘Racist’ and a ‘Relic of Colonialism’…
  
  The Left are scum
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:05am
  - flipper
    
    Sadly knives I agree.
    
    I watched a smart alec 6 year old granddaughter yesterday. I reckon she will last another 6 – 9 months. But why spoil her fun. Those lefty pricks should be hung, drawn and quartered !!
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:59am
  - GazzaW
    
    And I know of a primary school teacher who last year was asked by a parent (and Board of Trustee member) to remove a nativity set she had set up in her classroom. She didn’t and her principal supported her. She was trying to show her seven year olds about the meaning of Christmas but the BOT member is an opponent of religion in schools. Either Christmas is about Christianity or it isn’t. Can’t have it both ways.
    
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    December 26, 2017 11:24am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Pathetic BOT. Don’t they know that there is a difference between learning about something and being expected to believe every aspect of it?
      
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      December 26, 2017 1:12pm
      - GazzaW
        
        As I understand the situation it was just one BOT member expressing his own views to a young teacher and not an official Board decision. He obviously wasn’t happy to accept that there was a middle ground and he preferred to use his position to try and intimidate a young teacher. A bully.
        
        At the risk of upsetting some KBers there are no doubt some here that are very vocal in decrying others Christian beliefs with references to the ‘sky fairy’ etc but who are still in the midst of celebrating CHRISTmas. I am a non-believer by the way.
        
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        December 26, 2017 3:27pm
    - artemisia
      
      A teacher who owns a nativity scene and brings it to school is quite likely to be a Christian and frame the historical explanation accordingly, even if carefully and subtly.
      
      Such historical explanation does not require a nativity scene and IMO teachers should take note of the ‘secular’ requirement of public education.
      
      Back in the 1980s there was a concerted effort by evangelicals to place their members into teacher colleges, as a stand against secular humanism. The initiative was not hidden among the faithful but it was carefully not on display in applications and interviews.
      
      Of course the candidates appeared excellent teaching prospects – clever, well presented, enthusiastic. And there was support from the faithful on the college admissions side as well.
      
      I often wondered how that progressed through the system, and more recently how the more recent wave of beliefs has impactedthat initiative. (I’m sure I don’t need to expand on those beliefs for this audience.)
      
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      December 26, 2017 3:42pm
Nukuleka

Red radio is in overdrive this morning with its anti Israel anti Trump agenda. Lorde is a heroine, Israeli is a brutal regime, Trump has caused fewer pilgrims to visit Bethlehem… throw in the obvious ‘in-joke item’ about Guatemala recognising Jerusalem as Israel’s capital…and on and on…
The problem for me is that I want to listen to a classical radio station and the only choice is RNZ Concert with its persistently propagandist news bulletins. No bloody choice!
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December 26, 2017 8:13am
- Morrissey
  
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  You like classical music, do you Nukuleka? You must choke on bile every time you hear anything involving Nigel Kennedy or Daniel Barenboim, both of whom are outspoken critics of the crimes of the Israeli regime.
  
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  December 26, 2017 8:24am
  - flipper
    
    I buy CDs and DVDs and avoid the insidious left wing propaganda. Whether it be Barenboim or john… they know about nothing but music. You would be wise Fraser House to disregard them on anything but that…..
    
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    December 26, 2017 8:52am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Nigel Kennedy is to classical music what that wunderkind Bernard Hickey is to economics. You display your ignorance yet again. And if I could be arsed Im sure I could find some supporters of Israel who are at the top of any field.
    
    Nice try. Back to eating your weetbix honey bun.
    
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    December 26, 2017 8:59am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Nigel Kennedy plays no better than thousands of other violinists. What actually made him famous was dressing in a more casual way a couple of decades ago. That was it.
      
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      December 26, 2017 1:19pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Classical Liberal, are you headed hunted for reviews in Gramophone ?
        
        https://www.gramophone.co.uk
        
        I don’t think so !
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:22pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Oh gee, SB, I clearly know nothing about classical music and the rise of many star string players over many decades! Thanks for your kind instructions.
        
        Nigel Kennedy is good. So are many others.
        
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        December 26, 2017 2:05pm
  - fernglas
    
    A musician’s opinions are worth as much as a politician’s ukulele playing
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:16am
    - cmm
      
      The silly cow should pull her head in.
      
      Why are people obsessed with the opinions of actresses and singers>
      
      Paltrow telling us what yoghurt to buy, Lorde telling us about politics, De Caprio telling us abiout climate change…
      
      They last time one of these celebs talked about something they understand was Rachel and her shampoo ads.
      
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      December 26, 2017 9:52am
      - JibberJabber
        
        Lol Paltrow, hardly a month goes by without her finding new and novel things she can stick up her va jay jay that she can sell to the terminally thick that follow her twatter feed.
        
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        December 26, 2017 10:09am
      - lifesgood
        
        And don’t forget that Kiwi traitor, Lucy Lawless.
        
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        December 26, 2017 4:17pm
  - srylands
    
    Give it a test. Have you been to the Middle East? I have been there three times.
    
    Israel is a beacon of diversity and democracy, surrounded by either despots, or shit holes. Most of those regimes want to destroy it.
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:32am
    - ztev
      
      Israel , maybe but not the occupied Palestinian territories
      
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      December 26, 2017 11:50am
      - srylands
        
        The West Bank is part of Israel.
        
        Gaza is a shit hole.
        
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        December 26, 2017 11:59am
      - Kimbo
        
        The West Bank is part of Israel.
        
        No, even though that is almost certainly Likud’s policy and they continue to try achieve it by stealth and increment, I’m not aware that even Netanyahu has been brazen enough to make that unadulterated and unqualified claim over every and any sod…yet. Indeed, I think you might find that according to Likud-speak, you’ve made a legal gaffe of monumental proportions. Here, I’ll fix it for you:
        
        The ~~West Bank~~ Occupied Territory is part of Israel.
        
        There! Gotta get the propaganda terms right. 😉
        
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        December 26, 2017 12:10pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Sorry, srylands, in the diplomatic complexity, propaganda and cynical pragmatism engaged in by both sides, I mis-remembered and misreported. Current Israeli foreign policy is, in effect, that:
        
        The ~~West Bank~~ Disputed Territory is part of Israel.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYxLWUKwWo
        
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        December 26, 2017 12:30pm
- srylands
  
  I would suggest Spotify.
  
  Listening to RNZ is simply not worth it. It makes me either cringe with embarrassment, or annoys the shit out of me.
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:29am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Thanks srylands, I have downloaded Spotify and am loving it! Have texted RNZ Concert to tell them about having discovered Spotify and my wonderful Boxing Day without their Red Propaganda and pc white liberal guilt trip Te Reo!!
    
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    December 26, 2017 2:51pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Just downloaded Spotify as well thanks and I will text RNZ right now.
      
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      December 26, 2017 6:22pm
  - suzieq
    
    Or BBC … it’s so easy to get these days.
    
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    December 26, 2017 5:00pm
- stephieboy
  
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  Nukulea , surely there is a daily diet of Breitbart or the Daily Mail and not forgetting crazy Alex Jones or mad Pamela Geller etc.
  
  The worlds your oyster as the saying goes .
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:54am
  - Jack5
    
    Good morning Mrs Stephie! Holding the fort for the boys while they’re out perving on the holidays-busy beaches, eh?
    
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    December 26, 2017 10:04am
    - stephieboy
      
      Jackie 5 , as I reminded you yesterday and remind you again ,
      
      “The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.”
      
      ― Harlan Ellison
      
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      December 26, 2017 10:10am
      - Jack5
        
        That’s about as far as Islamic learning gets in chemistry.
        
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        December 26, 2017 10:32am
      - Dave_1924
        
        And you are living, typing proof day after day after day that you’re not the hydrogen part of that little quote Stephie
        …. Merry Christmas
        
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        December 26, 2017 11:02am
      - lofty
        
        When you are dead, you do not know that you are dead. All the pain is felt by others.
        
        The same thing happens when you are stupid.
        
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        December 26, 2017 12:27pm
      - GazzaW
        
        So you’re a Trekky stephie. That explains a lot.
        
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        December 26, 2017 6:23pm
- VicParking
  
  No chance of hearing the Israel Philharmonic Orchestra on RNZ Concert.
  
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  December 26, 2017 10:36am
- Harkman
  
  How is the Anti-Israel brigade different from the Nazis?
  
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  December 26, 2017 10:41am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Nukulela, I’ve been trying jazzradio.com and classicalradio.com. Bluetooth to your speakers. You can choose your musical preferences and only get the odd ad – all free. For no ads it costs a bit. Try it out.
  
  No PC shit!
  
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  December 26, 2017 1:16pm
- Adolf Fiinkensein
  
  I have a simple answer for you. I have the same problem with ABC Classic FM.
  
  Just turn them off for five minutes at the start of each news bulletin. That five minutes of clean fresh air is just soooooo refreshing.
  
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  December 26, 2017 5:27pm
- oldgolfer
  
  But there is – get on to online music such as Spotify.
  You choose what you listen to and the range is vast.
  Depending on your phone plan, you may already be paying for it.
  Bluetooth it around the house and let Red Radio rot.
  
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  December 27, 2017 5:31am
Happychappy

What’s the germ from NZ First been doing over the last week apart from trying to get all the left’s raticals to support his call to get rid of capitalism and jump in and make his coalition a caring Government for all the bros out there.
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December 26, 2017 8:15am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Counting his baubles
  
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  December 26, 2017 8:18am
- VicParking
  
  Studying his Best Bets.
  
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  December 26, 2017 10:37am
dime

if anyone needs Dime, he will be on a trashy cruise for the next two weeks. drunk and happy.

have a good new years all!
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December 26, 2017 8:18am
- VicParking
  
  Sorry to give you bad new Dime but “Due to damage at Petone wharf we will not be calling into Petone until further notice. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.”
  
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  December 26, 2017 10:39am
Paulus Gnome

Two weeks on the Interislander!

You are a legend dime!
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December 26, 2017 8:19am
- RalphT
  
  Don’t tell the unions – they’ll go on strike if they hear dime’s on board.
  
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  December 26, 2017 8:41am
  - sooty
    
    Locked in one of the crews cabin? (remember the story of the bimbo stowing away to europe)
    
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    December 26, 2017 10:26am
Happychappy

Did anyone notice if Ardern and Peters were at the Missions Xmas feed yesterday helping or is their support the poor and bring back equality just another game for the coaliton.
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December 26, 2017 8:23am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy was too busy having selfies with her under 5-year-old nieces and nephews. ?
  
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  December 26, 2017 8:35am
  - artemisia
    
    Children who looked todally happy and joyous to be there. OK, maybe not so much.
    
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    December 26, 2017 8:42am
    - lifesgood
      
      It looks like she rounded some very reluctant kids up and forced them to sit there. I’ve never seen such a miserable bunch. Yay, Jacinda, for ruining the kids Christmas.
      
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      December 26, 2017 9:04am
      - alwyn
        
        Look, just leave her alone.
        She is choosing to spend her time with her intellectual peer group.
        Of course she wants to stay with the children. It is far to much effort having a conversation with adults who expect any statement made to actually make sense.
        Much better to stay in the nursery. Rather like the Labour Party Caucus room in fact.
        
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        December 26, 2017 2:53pm
    - GazzaW
      
      I wonder how Gaylord coped yesterday.
      
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      December 26, 2017 6:26pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Yes it is never the people that vote that the selfies show it is always the school girls and family that msm try to con the public into thinking she is popular.
    
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    December 26, 2017 8:44am
  - Longknives
    
    I hope they got decent presents from Aunty Jacinda? After all she is on $500k plus and seemingly gives nothing to Charity..
    (Or maybe she is lecturing them on ‘The Evils of Capitalism’ as well?)
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:00am
    - kevn
      
      LongK… I recall reading somewhere that John Key donated his PM salary to charity. I am I correct?
      
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      December 26, 2017 9:49am
      - suzieq
        
        Not sure it was ever proven but it certainly was the story put about.
        
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        December 26, 2017 5:02pm
  - G152
    
    All of whom looked decidedly unhappy and they’re all to young to vote yet
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:42am
  - Harkman
    
    Are you referring to that strange looking woman with a vitamin D deficiency, big teeth, pronunciation problems and only got a pitiful 36.9% during the recent election?
    
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    December 26, 2017 10:25am
  - Morrissey
    
    “Nieces and nephews”?!!?!?!???!
    
    https://www.nbr.co.nz/sites/default/files/story_imgs/jamie-Whyte-1200.jpg
    
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    December 26, 2017 8:27pm
- flipper
  
  Naaahhhh…. the illegitimate pair are jerking us off.
  
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  December 26, 2017 8:59am
  - lifesgood
    
    Sorry but that seems to suggest there is some pleasure in it.
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:05am
- RF
  
  The self centred little commie brat would have carefully considered what’s in it for her having selfies with the great unwashed or is it better publicity to be with poverdy children.
  
  Has anyone else noticed that the media are portraying the commie chic as the second coming of Mother Teresa.
  
  It’s time the stud did his job so she can take maternity leave and let the dwarf take over.
  
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  December 26, 2017 11:07am
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Just so the facts are on the table it was a Jew behind Lordes boycot

The anti-Israel activist who helped convince New Zealand singer Lorde to cancel a concert in Tel Aviv has defended her actions, saying that exclusion was the only way to pressure Israel’s government into making a change.

New Zealanders Nadia Abu-Shanab and Justine Sachs — Palestinian and Jewish, respectively — wrote an open letter last week on the website, The Spinoff, saying that Lorde’s scheduled performance in Israel “sends the wrong message.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jewish-activist-behind-lordes-boycott-says-she-was-surprised-at-success/

Also – believe it or not, is is possible to be disgusted by the treatment of Palestinians without being an “anti-semite”

“I know many Israelis who support the boycott,” she said. “I don’t think they see this as a punishment.”
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December 26, 2017 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  I read that nine out of ten dentists use Colgate toothpaste. This blurb doesn’t prevent me from buying Macleans.
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:04am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    What I don’t get is the attitude of lefties.
    
    Race replacement in Israel = bad
    Race replacement in White countries = good
    
    Only difference though is that the Jews are allowed to retain Israel as a “home for the Jews” whilst white countries must become “multicultural”
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:44am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO , a task for you as the New Year approaches is to get us whites to outbreed the rest .File on KB progress reports please .
      
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      December 26, 2017 9:51am
  - matchbox
    
    Isn’t Ella Marija Lani Yelich-O’Connor herself a Jew?
    
    If she is, she’s a fairly ignorant one. Shame really, because she can pull a decent crowd. Imagine how much good she could have done by actually finding out the truth about who are the bullies.
    
    The truth as I like to summarise it. Jews took a bit of useless desert, their 3,000+ year old homeland, about the size of Northland, and turned it into something remarkable. And because Jews did this, the losers who’d abandoned the desert, want back the paradise that someone else turned it into. Palestinians have their homelands. Some of it is now called Egypt. The rest of it is now called Jordan.
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:45am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Isn’t Ella Marija Lani Yelich-O’Connor herself a Jew?
      
      Why would you think that?
      
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      December 26, 2017 10:08am
    - lifesgood
      
      From her surnames ancestry more likely to be Croatian/Irish but I’m pretty sure she is of no religion.
      
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      December 26, 2017 10:14am
      - Jack5
        
        Here’s what Wikipedia says of Lorde’s background:
        
        Lorde was born Ella Marija Lani Yelich-O’Connor in Takapuna, Auckland on 7 November 1996, the daughter of poet Sonja Yelich (Croatian: Sonja Jelić) and civil engineer Vic O’Connor. Her mother was born to Croatian immigrants from the region of Dalmatia, while her father has Irish ancestry. She was raised in the nearby suburb of Devonport, Auckland with her two sisters, Jerry and India, and one brother, Angelo.
        
        I wonder whether Lorde would sing in Belgrade or Sarajevo?
        
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        December 26, 2017 10:39am
    - Kimbo
      
      Isn’t Ella Marija Lani Yelich-O’Connor herself a Jew?
      
      Croatian/Celtic more like it. So, no, not even Anglo-Saxon enough under the spurious tenets of British-Israelism. 😉
      
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      December 26, 2017 11:24am
      - Kimbo
        
        I mis-spoke. According to the British-Isrealite fantasy, the Celts are part of the 10 lost tribes – and I think the connection is that the Celts (or was it the Scythians) originated in Anatolia about the time of the captivity of the northern kingdom in 722BC:
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism
        
        Makes sense. One of the bogus etymological proofs was that the word “British” (from the pre-Anglo-Saxon Britons) is literally brith-ish, which corresponds to the Hebrew phrase for “man of the covenant”. Only problem is, as any 1st year student of classical Hebrew finds out after a few weeks, the term is written in Hebrew as…ish-brith! 😉
        
        So no, Lorde still doesn’t seem to be Jewish. 😉
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:13pm
- KevOB
  
  The more I look the more I see the thirst for control of the oil riches. Gaza has a fortune off its coast but not in its control.
  
  Israel’s history has Jerusalem as a serious signifcant site about 3,000 years ago. Saud and co are Bedouin who needed British favour and now have oil. Israel and Iran are two of the most stable regional countries. Until the Shia/Sunni wars are ended (never..?) don’t expect peace. Now we have a further international dimension: pipelines to market the oil.
  
  Lorde–she’s a victim of the anti freedom brigade. In trampling over her rights we trample over principles the essence of freedom.
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:26am
- matchbox
  
  Isn’t Ella Marija Lani Yelich-O’Connor herself a Jew?
  
  If she is, she’s a fairly ignorant one. Shame really, because she can pull a decent crowd. Imagine how much good she could have done by actually finding out the truth about who are the bullies.
  
  The truth as I like to summarise it. Jews took a bit of useless desert, their 3,000+ year old homeland, about the size of Northland, and turned it into something remarkable. And because Jews did this, the losers who’d abandoned the desert, want back the paradise that someone else turned it into. Palestinians have their homelands. Some of it is now called Egypt. The rest of it is now called Jordan.
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:47am
  - matchbox
    
    Sorry about the duplicate comment. Tried to fix, but made mincemeat of it.
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:49am
    - waikatogirl
      
      The delete function seems to be faulty at present matchbox.
      
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      December 26, 2017 11:07am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        nah, I can still see ztev
        
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        December 26, 2017 12:30pm
  - ztev
    
    A jew ?
    When you have Irish-Serbian descent ?
    
    next you will be saying that Trump attends ultra liberal Episcopalian church for Xmas……but wait
    
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    December 26, 2017 11:43am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Gosh ztev, can’t you tell the difference between Croatians and Serbians?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia%E2%80%93Serbia_relations
      Go visit Northland and refer to some Dallies as Serbs, then report back.
      
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      December 26, 2017 12:01pm
      - ztev
        
        No difference, a cultural difference mostly in one is mostly catholic and the other orthodox.
        Even the language is called Serbo Croat for a reason
        Its like saying North Islanders are different to South Islanders.
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:14pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ ztev
        
        ts like saying North Islanders are different to South Islanders.
        
        Umm, I know the old Inter0island rugby match, as well as Canterbury vs Auckland Ranfurly Shield games could get rather willing, but I’m not sure it was anything resembling the Ustaše!
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usta%C5%A1e
        
        Is remembered as a branch of the Holocaust, but in the first instance it was a Catholic Croatian pogrom against Serbian Orthodox. The conflict from 1992 was another round in a conflict going back some 1,000 years. The Balkans, where history always repeats!
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:24pm
      - ztev
        
        They are long standing religious wars amoungst slavic peoples.
        Catholic v Orthodox V Muslim
        
        The only time they havent been at each other throats was while they were communist!
        
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        December 26, 2017 2:00pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Or ruled by the Hapsburgs? 😉
        
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        December 26, 2017 2:19pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        How quickly we forget!
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/the-bosnia-crisis-serbs-croats-and-muslims-who-hates-who-and-why-tony-barber-in-zagreb-traces-the-1539305.html
        
        http://www.nytimes.com/1991/05/16/world/the-serbs-and-croats-so-much-in-common-including-hate.html
        
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        December 26, 2017 3:07pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Even the language is called Serbo Croat for a reason
        
        The M-in-law spoke Serbo-Croat, but it is no longer an official language of the EU.
        Croatian is; Serbian isn’t.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_the_European_Union#Macedonian,_Yiddish_and_Serbian
        
        Let’s translate:
        Hello: Здраво (Serbian); Zdravo (Croatian)
        
        Merry Christmas: Срећан Божић; Sretan Božić
        
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        December 26, 2017 3:38pm
Huevon

I’m Catholic, but I cannot take this pope seriously….

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/100172062/pope-laments-winds-of-war-blowing-around-the-world

We finally have a US president who confronts the North Koreans and Arabs over their perfidy and blood thirst, you know evil regimes that repress their people and openly use violence to achieve their aims, but this is fanning “winds of war” according to Francis. I guess the proper Christaun response is to shrug your shoulders in the face of evil.

And don’t get me started on his talk of “outdated development”. That’s right, we just need to do socialism the correct way this time. But with Jesus….or something.

Give me a break.
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December 26, 2017 8:50am
- Longknives
  
  The Pope is an idiot.
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:02am
  - flipper
    
    But Jesuits never tell porkies do they?
    
    Seriously, as one who respectfully declines to take the Vatican seriously, I think he/it is absolutely correct on the toothfairy pooffie loving media …..
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:08am
  - Digmen1
    
    He is too thick to realise that muslims want to take over Europe and erase Christianity and he will be one of the first to go!
    
    Long live Poland, Myanmar (push the rest out) Slovakia, Hungary and now Austria.
    
    Hundreds of years ago decent popes started crusades against the muslims to save the Christians in Jerusalem!
    
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    December 26, 2017 9:48am
    - Kimbo
      
      You do know that once they got there, they engaged in equal-opportunity slaughter of Muslims, Jews, and non-Catholic Christians during the capture of Jerusalem in 1099? Yeah, I know, but I wasn’t the one who injected the… “and then there were the crusades” comparison into the discussion. 😉
      
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      December 26, 2017 11:29am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Crusades
      
      Motive: understandable.
      Execution: bad and ultimately ineffectual.
      
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      December 26, 2017 1:39pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Um, if the motive was to secure the borders of the political entity that was Christendom/Europe for security reasons, yeah, ok.
        
        But applying my Protestant lens (which was still in the future when Urban II issued his “Deus vult!” approval in 1095) to the idea of preserving the “holy place”of Jerusalem…less so. All the earth is holy, courtesy of Christ’s enthronement at the right hand of God. The idea that one attains some sort of merit by mans of a pilgrimage, be it to Jerusalem, Rome, wherever is not in keeping with his ministry. But then I am applying a spiritual standard that lay some 400 years in the future before the First Crusade.
        
        But the idea of a spiritual treasury of merit and then dispensations and indulgences were a great motivator to participate in crusades (a bit like jihadist suicide bombers – get immediate absolution for all your sins and entry into paradise by murdering others! 😉 ), and got great impetus from them. Hence, Martin Luther nailing up his 95 Theses in response to Johan Tetzel peddling indulgences and inadvertently kicking off the Reformation was a downstream and unintended consequence of the Crusades. 😉
        
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        December 26, 2017 2:07pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Same reason why it is foolish, IMHO, to try and argue the modern state of Israel and its occupation of Jerusalem is some sort of God-ordained manifestation of the preservation of a holy place, that will also usher in the end of the age. Even the original formulators of modern Zionism, a secular ideology built on the Jewish religious tradition, argued that resettlement of Palestine should be for historic and cultural reasons to escape persecution, not to fulfill God’s will.
        
        Doesn’t mean that Israel doesn’t have a right to exist and defend herself – she does. But there are some within Judaism who reject Israel as a spiritual counterfeit Jewish state, as only the Messiah can call them back out of Diaspora.
        
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        December 26, 2017 2:16pm
- Harkman
  
  This Pope is going out of his way to irritate his base while bending over backwards to appeal to those who will never be his base. The mass media loves him.
  
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  December 26, 2017 10:29am
- Kimbo
  
  I’m Catholic, but I cannot take this pope seriously….
  
  OK, that’s a start. Considered becoming…a Protestant? 😉
  
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  December 26, 2017 11:26am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Ah, so not a generic anti-Christian religious bigot but in truth a proddy religious bigot. Paisley is alive and well and living in Kimboland.
    
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    December 26, 2017 11:46am
    - Kimbo
      
      So, did you renounce a sense of humour for Lent early this year and forget to pick it up again? Or maybe overlooked that it’s not me, but your co-religionist Huevon who has forsaken a key tenet of Roman Catholicism? I always thought Papal Authority and/or infallibility was crap – but then I wasn’t the one who raised the topic.
      
      But if it’s any consolation, Nukuleka, I find you a wonderful apologist for Protestantism. Just when one encounters enough Roman Catholics to consider that the liberalising effect of Vatican II has taken hold sufficiently to engage in a discussion concerning points of difference without offense being taken and paranoid delusions of persecution kicking into gear, along comes some tribal papist like you, with an outrage alert on hair-trigger, deeply offended by your religion being the subject of playful humour, and yet with a steel fist and glass jaw when it comes to the supposed short comings of others. Then again, there are arseholes in every religion, so just to be clear, I’m having a go at you because you are an arsehole, not a Catholic. Like I did on this occasion too:
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/trans-tasman_on_the_new_mps.html
      
      Have you been to confession to be absolved of the sin of false witness, btw?
      
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      December 26, 2017 12:02pm
  - MrTips
    
    What’s the difference between Catholicism and Protestantism?
    Catholics only have one Pope.
    
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    December 26, 2017 12:10pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Now take note, Nukuleka. Right there is a thing we call inter-religious humour that is funny and has a bit if bite because…it’s pretty much true. As per the standard get-out-of-jail-free card for Protestants when they can’t answer a theological challenge, “Hold on, I’ll just call my pastor to find out what I believe”. 😉
      
      Deserved up-tick. Mr Tips. You may have defected from my Kick-Arse Pub Quiz team which means my righteous cause for victory is in jeopardy should we ever cross swords, but sir, I like your style! 😉
      
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      December 26, 2017 12:20pm
  - Huevon
    
    The Church may governed poorly, but at least it is governed. We can go down the prod path, but I would rather deal with 1 church with a loopy leader thab 16,000.
    
    The Good Lord works in mysterious ways, and the leftie pandering of Frank from Argentina seems to have animated lay Catholics in a more right wing direction (Exhibit A: pious Poland is showing the Muslim a firm hand).
    
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    December 26, 2017 12:35pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Ah, I see the Jesuit prescription, “Give me a child until the age of seven…” applies! 😉
      
      Just one problem, Huevon, and I repeat to you the words of a Catholic priest with whom I had a most enlightening and cordial discussion over a few beers at a Marist rugby club: “”The Catholic Church is unashamedly and unchangeable authoritarian. Many modern Catholics may not like that, but nonetheless that is what true Catholicism is”.
      
      I think that means you don’t get to pick and choose about agreeing with what Pope Francis says. Not picking and choosing and remaining a faithful Catholic that anyway. But then, in my haste to buttress the Protestant polemic, I may be misquoting or misapplying the fine print of canon law. 😉
      
      Mind you, wasn’t the other Jesuit prescription/motto on the mission field that, “Yes, we obey Rome…but Rome is along way away!”? 😉
      
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      December 26, 2017 12:42pm
      - Random Punter
        
        “I think that means you don’t get to pick and choose about agreeing with what Pope Francis says.”
        
        Actually, Kimbo, I don’t think it’s quite as clear-cut as that. Catholic teaching is that the Pope is infallible only when he is speaking “ex cathedra” on matters of faith and doctrine. On other matters, the faithful are not obliged to accept his utterances as anything other than opinion.
        
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        December 26, 2017 3:40pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Correct. Hence my disclaimer about the fine print of canon law.
        
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        December 26, 2017 3:42pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “OK, that’s a start. Considered becoming…a Protestant?”
    
    Goodness, that’s pretty forward, Kimbo.
    
    I’m happy for people to enjoy whatever religion or atheism they like, as long as they allow others the same right.
    
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    December 26, 2017 1:45pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Likewise. Hence my question/invitation, “Considered becoming…a Protestant?”, rather than a demand/command. But if you think that is “pretty forward”, well. I’d disagree and call you a shrinking violet. “Happy to allow others” doesn’t mean we can’t have a good and robust discussion of competing ideas in the….classical liberal tradition. 😉
      
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      December 26, 2017 1:50pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Every intelligent adult in a free society will have thought about their beliefs. Probably don’t need your advice.
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:57pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Kimbo, some people here go for robust discussions and get rude. But you creep me out more than most of them with that derogatory ‘um’ and those creepy winks.
        
        I see no respect for other opinions and no keenness to really discuss a topic.
        
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        December 26, 2017 2:20pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Every intelligent adult in a free society will have thought about their beliefs. Probably don’t need your advice.
        
        Probably not. But don’t worry, I’m not coming to force my way into your place of work, or your house or abuse your liberties.
        
        But if you don’t want to hear my advice (it was tongue-in-cheek and to Huevon, btw – since when did you get appointed his spokesperson?) , or anything with which you disagree for that matter, then you are in the wrong place hanging out on on Kiwiblog …General Debate! 😉
        
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        December 26, 2017 2:27pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Just saying: you totally creep me out. If that’s the Christian spirit you want to represent, go for it…
        
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        December 26, 2017 2:29pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Kimbo, some people here go for robust discussions and get rude. But you creep me out more than most of them with that derogatory ‘um’ and those creepy winks.
        
        I see no respect for other opinions and no keenness to really discuss a topic
        
        …Just saying: you totally creep me out. If that’s the Christian spirit you want to represent, go for it…
        
        Fair enough. Ya pays yer money and ya takes yer pick. BTW is “just saying” not in the same spirit as “um”? Mind you, that’s not the first time you’ve made a variation on that observation, and then rather flounced off with the LANCB refrain to me – and I note you’ve injected yourself into this latest exchange rather than me chasing you.
        
        https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Leaving_and_never_coming_back
        
        So why are you back? Also, I engaged with respect and a keenness to discuss the topic of your ideas about the crusades above. I also engaged respectfully – while disagreeing with Huevon and Mr Tips in the discussion on Catholicism. Put it this way – I don’t see them complaining so who appointed you hall monitor? But the likes of Nukuleka, Chuck Bird and holysheet, for reasons you will know if you hang around, yeah, I’ll make an exception.
        
        Oh, yeah, and to give you some unwelcome but appropriate advice and upskill your knowledge of internet etiquette – the “creepy sinks” are to avoid Poe’s law which is much in evidence here:
        
        without a clear indicator of the author’s intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers or viewers as a sincere expression of the parodied views
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
        
        But if you really want to apply LANCB to my posts…go for it.
        
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        December 26, 2017 2:35pm
- SPC
  
  Catholicism is pre modern nation state and pre secularisation of Europe under the EU regime.
  
  A more multi-cultural regime promotes the idea of people being known by their religious identity, rather than by their nation state citizenship.
  
  More Moslems in Europe is presumably designed to promote a resurgence of Christian identity to save the European people from their secularism and or socialism.
  
  Note nationalism is declining in the EU and promoting a divergence of religious identity to replace it is in the interest of religions.
  
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  December 26, 2017 2:47pm
  - SPC
    
    Leaders need to stand for universal values, rather than parochialism, not be held back by the narrow elf-centredness of their own church laity, religious faith, race or nation.
    
    This however is not merely a form of self-sacrifice or appeasement of the will of others (to illegally migrate or to exploit the provision to refugees to become economic migrants), it is also a demand for justice for the oppressed worldwide. Setting an example, while not also calling for Moslem nations to account for their human rights abuses is barren – is seen as weakness that can be exploited (and thus undermines support for generosity to refugees).
    
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    December 26, 2017 3:05pm
flipper

Anyone looking for a realistic European commentary on the Islamic bullshit should watch this in depth interview with Mark Steyn, which I stole from WOHB a few days ago. The dipshits (zetev, stupid boy, morrissey et al) will have a meltdown and go running off to devoid. Ha!

https://youtu.be/CQELHJx8Vf0
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December 26, 2017 9:23am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  flipper , is Steyn the one that promotes the fraud of Euroabia and other related BS ?
  
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  December 26, 2017 10:00am
  - Inandout
    
    Good try sb, but Steyn would demolish every argument you throw up.
    
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    December 26, 2017 10:17am
    - stephieboy
      
      Such as ?
      
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      December 26, 2017 2:24pm
  - flipper
    
    The very fact that the stupidboy poises that question is indicative of his brain disconnect. Time to grow up sonny and recognise that the left has always been about squashing the populace to retain its control.
    For example, S F Brains, ask most young people how much money the Government has. Go on, SFBs. Try it and honestly report the answer.
    
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    December 26, 2017 10:24am
    - Inandout
      
      The Left can’t tolerate free speech because that usually means debating, a word which seems to have disappeared from their vocabulary. They know when they confront the likes of Steyn or Milo Yiannopoulos their arguments dissolve like a snow flake; a reason they scream like banshees to quell debate. At least the lefties of old could have a really heated argument and still depart on civil terms.
      
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      December 26, 2017 11:16am
      - stephieboy
        
        “They know when they confront the likes of Steyn or Milo Yiannopoulos their arguments dissolve like a snow flake..”
        
        Examples ?
        
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        December 26, 2017 12:59pm
    - Victor Omega
      
      ask most young people how much money the Government has.
      
      ”An essential point in the social philosophy of interventionism is the existence of an inexhaustible fund which can be squeezed forever.”
      – Mises
      
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      December 26, 2017 11:50am
      - stephieboy
        
        Victor Omega ,such as Mises Institute lunacy of abolishing our Child labour laws ??
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:01pm
      - Victor Omega
        
        No. Mises simply advocates for the freedom to work, from age 10. This commentary is directed at countries that ban it by govt control over freedom. “Freedom to work” is not the same as child slave labour. NZ already allows young people to work (and many do) so you don’t have a point.
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:44pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Victor Omega , like those apparel sweat houses / factories in Bangladesh, SE ASIA etc , etc .
        
        Equality of Bargaining power between a 10 year old and those same factories making stuff for Nike , Adidas ,Puma etc )
        
        Yeah right !
        
        https://www.hrw.org/topic/childrens-rights/child-labor
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:51pm
      - ztev
        
        VO, NZ children cant work within school hours
        
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        December 26, 2017 1:52pm
      - Victor Omega
        
        Pretty sure you didn’t even read what I said. I thought you were cocerned about Mises “abolishing our child labour laws”, now (because you were wrong) you’ve chucked in Bangladesh, SE Asia etc, etc….
        Death by 1000 cuts! Socialists try to equate capitalism and free markets with poor child labour conditions, but it’s a lie. I don’t have time to discuss it in this forum, but I’ll leave interested parties with this:
        
        Government didn’t end child labor in Britain. Child labor ended when it became economically unnecessary for children to work; when their parents earned enough money to provide for a family. Only the rise of capitalism could make the huge increase in income necessary for that to happen.
        
        Laissez-faire capitalism didn’t create child labor. It ended it.
        
        http://atlanticsentinel.com/2011/01/did-government-end-child-labor/
        
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        December 26, 2017 2:52pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Victor Omega , B S Laissez faire created child labour . Government intervention ended it ,.
        
        http://primaryfacts.com/1745/lord-shaftesbury-facts/
        
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        December 26, 2017 3:12pm
- MCos
  
  I watched the first ten minutes or so of this chap talking about his book published in 2006.
  He spoke about the declining birthrate of the European countries and gave reasons. He also suggested that although Muslims may start with much higher birthrates that was due to their social circumstances which would gradually change. For example less need to generate workers for their land & the cost of raising children.
  Without resorting to provocative language what further did he add that would cause the people you mention to have a meltdown?
  
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  December 26, 2017 10:15am
  - MCos
    
    All those downticks, but nobody prepared to explain why.
    
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    December 26, 2017 11:21am
    - softail 1450
      
      you’re a lunatic ,that’s why .
      
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      December 26, 2017 2:52pm
      - MCos
        
        Argument by name-calling can generally be presumed fraudulent.
        Ann Coulter said that.
        
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        December 26, 2017 8:52pm
  - Digmen1
    
    I just look at the population of muslim countries and they have lots of young people eg aged 20 to 309, and very high unemployment.
    So why do they keep having children.
    Even in war torn Syria etc.
    
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    December 26, 2017 1:13pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And in refugee camps, the men should restrain themselves if the women have no choice but to have sex with their husbands. Unless it is to elevate their case.
      
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      December 26, 2017 1:58pm
    - alwyn
      
      ” they have lots of young people eg aged 20 to 309″
      
      309 he says.
      My god. How old do you have to be to become an adult?
      
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      December 26, 2017 3:01pm
      - holysheet
        
        in stooooopidboys case 1009
        
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        December 26, 2017 5:38pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  The truth about Mark Steyn – an out and out snake oil salesman:
  
  http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2017/11/26/wicked-muslims-innocent-jews-the-deceit-and-double-think-of-mark-steyn/
  
  My late father simultaneously abhorred Muslims and adulated Jews. Muslims were savage, stupid and very bad for the West. Jews were civilized, intelligent and very good for the West. What more need be said? A lot, I thought. I pointed out that Muslims were in the West because of Jews. My father dismissed this as nonsense. Jews weren’t stupid and Muslims were enemies of Jews. Therefore Jews could not possibly want Muslims in the West.
  
  I produced copious evidence to back my claim, but it didn’t alter my father’s views in the slightest. If his subjective logic said Jews opposed Muslim immigration, while objective reality said they supported it, then so much the worse for reality. Muslims were bad, Jews were good. End of story. It should be no surprise, then, that my father was also a big fan of Mark Steyn, the shape-shifting neo-conservative who has recently aired one of his favourite themes ……..
  
  The “sceptics” on here would do well to read this article in full, even if just to have their view of the world challenged ❗
  
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  December 26, 2017 10:43am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Read it.
    
    Some interesting points.
    
    I have watched many videos featuring prominent Jewish leaders talking about their ‘plans’
    
    This is no secret and there is no conspiracy.
    
    It is obvious that those in power both overseas and in the NZ parliament are beholding to globalist edicts with respect to immigration.
    
    Jacinda is a UN poodle. That is clear.
    
    It will be very interesting to see how the UN’s 2018 Migration Compact and its proposed hate speech laws play out.
    
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    December 26, 2017 11:06am
- Dave Mann
  
  Thank you flipper… I found it really fascinating.
  
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  December 26, 2017 1:21pm
kevn

sb… Don’t like what he says then? Hard to disagree isn’t it?
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December 26, 2017 10:11am
Dave_1924

Merry Xmas BigBruv…. special treat for you as I know you luuuuve the man so, so, so much…
https://m.facebook.com/sharer.php?fs=5&sid=10155230814393123&__tn__=J%2AW-R
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December 26, 2017 11:07am
flipper

It seems that the silly Dunedin bint Lorde is not flavour of the month in every nation….

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment.html
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December 26, 2017 11:37am
- ztev
  
  Dunedin ? She grew up in Devonport area on Aucklands North Shore
  
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  December 26, 2017 11:38am
  - sooty
    
    Said the expert from fraser house.
    
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    December 26, 2017 12:18pm
  - lofty
    
    I just know you will be correct ztev, you never let me down, walking talking typing know all…fantastic.
    
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    December 26, 2017 12:35pm
    - MCos
      
      What’s your point with that childish comment?
      
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      December 26, 2017 1:15pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Na na na na na naaaa. ???????????
        
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        December 26, 2017 4:03pm
      - sam green
        
        There is no point.
        
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        December 26, 2017 11:11pm
kevn

sooty… Yep, (lower case) z, one of duplicate plebs who monitor all the ‘ other’ blog sites. Quite a career for them eh what? Never mind, day off in lieu.
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December 26, 2017 12:33pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Yay, left-overs for lunch.
https://bridgetomoscow.com/files/200/1123.jpg

and
http://tatyanaseverydayfood.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Beet-Potato-Salad-1-911×1024.jpg
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December 26, 2017 12:34pm
- lofty
  
  Mmmm, leftovers yummy, just finished cold lamb and ham with hot mustard sandwiches, washed down with a couple of hot cups of sweet tea…heaven.
  
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  December 26, 2017 12:38pm
Jack5

Are there any Hollow Earthers posting on Kiwiblog?

They believe that Earth is a hollow sphere and down there Vikings , Nazis, and aliens party on.

The craze that followed the popular novel and film One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest fired the movement that led to the closing of many psychiatric hospitals and institutions. Is the Hollow Earth craze one of the many results of de-instutionalising mental health care?

Ken Kesey, who wrote One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, was a Hippy era druggie, actually a drug cultist. He was entertaining, but did he deserve to be taken so seriously?

Hollow Earth cult:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5211805/The-conspiracy-theorists-think-Earth-HOLLOW.html
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December 26, 2017 12:58pm
- rangitoto
  
  A bit of a fight brewing between the flat Earthers and hollow Earthers. I’m a flat Mars proponent myself.
  
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  December 26, 2017 1:15pm
Manolo

True, but for how long?
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-stock-market-year-review-20171224-story.html

Defying speculation 12 months ago that the years-long rally would be sorely tested during President Trump’s first year in office, the stock market has been riding a wave of continued optimism to repeatedly set fresh highs.

Analysts give Trump some credit for the gains, mainly for pushing the tax-overhaul plan passed by Congress last week and reducing regulations. But market trackers give most of the credit to several other factors, including global economic growth, stronger corporate profits, continued low inflation and rising consumer confidence.
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December 26, 2017 2:17pm
- kevn
  
  Manalo… So none of the last 4 factors you mention could possibly be credited to Trump?
  
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  December 26, 2017 2:22pm
- KevOB
  
  Those analysts comments are nonsense.
  
  In the USA value has gone and the markets have no foundation except monetary games. Now computers compete in games against each other to detect price movements and place automated bid and offer prices from that. Money always finds a home and the largess of the FED has gone into funding the market games and international asset prices.
  
  All pass the parcel games have to end eventually.
  
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  December 26, 2017 3:49pm
nasska

Today’s the day we all have one thing on our minds.

“I wonder how much this piece of shit would sell for on Trade Me?”
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December 26, 2017 2:19pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  $1 reserve, You get fuck all, or shit loads
  
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  December 26, 2017 7:14pm
Manolo

About time!
The U.S. Mission to the United Nations announced Sunday that it negotiated a major reduction in the U.N.’s budget for the upcoming fiscal years.

According to a statement from the mission, the 2018-2019 U.N. budget will have a $285 million reduction from the previous two years.

“In addition to these significant cost savings, we reduced the UN’s bloated management and support functions, bolstered support for key U.S. priorities throughout the world, and instilled more discipline and accountability throughout the UN system,” the statement reads.
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December 26, 2017 3:01pm
- SPC
  
  The USA contribution to the UN budget will also decline as a proportion as time goes by (as China surpasses the USA as largest economy).
  
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  December 26, 2017 3:38pm
- ztev
  
  $285 million ?
  
  UN numbers dont agree
  The Fifth Committee (Administrative and Budgetary) wrapped up the main part of its seventieth session tonight, recommending the General Assembly adopt a $5.4 billion budget for the United Nations for the 2016-2017 biennium.
  
  The figure was $170 million less than the $5.57 billion proposed budget unveiled by the Secretary-General in October due to, among other things, reduced resources for public information and common support services, and roughly $400 million lower than the $5.8 billion final appropriations for 2014-2015.
  
  $170 mill less than SG proposed budget ! Could it be that Trumps poodles are lying ?
  https://www.un.org/press/en/2015/gaab4185.doc.htm
  
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  December 26, 2017 3:55pm
- Digmen1
  
  And it looks like the USA now wants another $250 reduction.
  Yeah
  Its time the UN either got some real balls and stopped every war and despot and rebellion.
  Or Closed down.
  
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  December 26, 2017 3:56pm
stephieboy

For all those mind numbing alt righter thought controlling, brick in the wall , parents educators etc ,

PINK FLOYD ANOTHER BRICK IN THE WALL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96WWJg3IU8c&app=desktop
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December 26, 2017 3:07pm
- Manolo
  
  A serious question: as a Muslim, do you celebrate Christmas, stephieboy?
  
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  December 26, 2017 3:20pm
  - sooty
    
    Yep. Down the charity arm of the labour party for a free feed!
    
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    December 26, 2017 3:31pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, I don’t usually respond to typically vacuous comments by you.
    
    Here ‘s why ,
    
    https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/04/donald-trumps-14-craziest-ramblings-from-his-inter.html
    
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    December 26, 2017 4:00pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Just say ‘NO’ fuckhead
      
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      December 26, 2017 7:20pm
    - Manolo
      
      You have already answered, stephieboy.
      
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      December 26, 2017 8:05pm
  - GazzaW
    
    There’s plenty of young talent at the mall on Boxing Day to keep stephie entertained.
    
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    December 26, 2017 7:20pm
    - stephieboy
      
      GazzaW, you seem to spend a lot of time there . Whats the attraction ?
      
      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GhH0k0oISjs/maxresdefault.jpg
      
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      December 26, 2017 8:56pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  https://www.amazon.com/Adventures-Toni-Tampon-Period-Coloring/dp/0692795359
  
  Toni (gender neutral name) the Tampon.
  
  “I support all menstruators.”
  
  “Cause men get periods too!”
  
  ” this coloring book is an easy way to start a conversation with young kids about menstruation”
  
  Some wonderful ‘progressive’ educators now Steph!
  
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  December 26, 2017 3:33pm
  - nasska
    
    You’re onto it RR. If we don’t stop kids from asking questions about their bodily functions where will it all end? Sooner or later they’ll (shock & horror) try things out for themselves.
    
    Time to update the shopping list before God starts doubting your abilities as parents:
    
    https://s3.scoopwhoop.com/anj/porn_ban/914802100.jpg
    
    http://www.versiondaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/The-Anti-Masturbation-Cross-Loonie-Childs-720×380.jpg
    
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    December 26, 2017 4:02pm
    - sam green
      
      ? v funny nasska.
      
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      December 26, 2017 11:15pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/open-borders-capturing-elites/

Open borders capturing elites
Global ‘thought leaders’ are swooning for a borderless world
22 April 2017

“Policymakers should ignore the siren calls of open borders advocates and treat borders and limits on immigration levels as inherently efficient prerequisites for maximising economic strength.” – David Alexander ( MD (Federal) at Barton Deakin)
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December 26, 2017 3:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Rain has just arrived… might be wet for the next 4 days.
Good for the vines, maybe not so good for the rhythm folk (who will infest my flat-white haunts).
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December 26, 2017 3:56pm
lifesgood

Phil Twyford would have a field day if he went into Smith and Caugheys today. Talk about people with chinky names! The places is seething, crammed, congested, crowded, with people, 99.9% of whom, I would venture to say, have chinky names. I did spot about 4 pakehas, so I guess there are still a few of us in Auckland.
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December 26, 2017 4:27pm
- Inandout
  
  Plenty of white kiwis have ‘Lee’ and ‘Young’ as a surname.
  
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  December 26, 2017 5:10pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Yeah, I know, but not everyone looks asian/chinese.
    
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    December 26, 2017 5:41pm
- GazzaW
  
  Just as well too. All that lovely GST to help pay for us aging whiteys’ pensions and health care.
  
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  December 26, 2017 7:24pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Do they pay GST, most of their activity is under the table.
    
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    December 26, 2017 7:44pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d0e_1514226581

“Batman got there in the nick of time” ffloyd 68
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December 26, 2017 5:34pm
Digmen1

Here in my town, Europeans, Maoris and Asians are outnumbered with people with surnames such as Singh and Kumar.
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December 26, 2017 7:42pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 21 Sylvester Stallone

Seems he wasn’t just playing at being a neanderthal all these years….

Afterwards, the teen claims Stallone said she couldn’t tell anyone because both men were married and if she said anything, ‘they would have to beat her head in’. Police said she decided not to press charges against the men because she was scared and humiliated.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5081605/Sylvester-Stallone-accused-forcing-teen-threesome.html

There is one media outlet, though, where a groper can feel at ease…

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/17/sylvester-stallone-responds-to-allegations-sexually-assaulted-and-threatened-16-year-old-when-was-40.html

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

1 George Herbert Walker Bush; 2 Bill O’Reilly; 3 Al Franken; 4 Robin Brooke; 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; 7 Joe Biden; 8 Rolf Harris; 9 Harold Bloom; 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; 12 Prince Harry; 13 Bill Clinton; 14 Judge Roy Moore; 15 Matt Lauer; 16 Richard Branson; 17 Warren Moon; 18 Donald John Trump; 19 Damian Green; 20 Gene Simmons
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December 26, 2017 7:52pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh fuck off Morris Dancer, you’re tiresome.
  Haven’t you got anything better to do?
  
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  December 26, 2017 7:59pm
  - Morrissey
    
    “Tiresome”?!?!?!? How so, Cap’n?
    
    Haven’t you got anything better to do?
    
    Indeed I have. Perhaps you noticed I was engaged in educating a few befuddled friends over on the “Lorde will do Russia” thread this morning. That’s challenging when some of one’s interlocutors are practitioners of what Gideon Levy terms “willed ignorance”, but it’s worthwhile when someone shows a willingness to engage seriously.
    
    Merely yelling “fuck off, you’re tiresome” is not very effective, Cap’n. Surely you are capable of better than that?
    
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    December 26, 2017 8:09pm
    - nasska
      
      When does the highly moral & Godfearing backbone of the NZ Conservative Party feature in your list of gropers & deviants?
      
      I’d hate to miss it!
      
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      December 26, 2017 8:13pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Was Colin Craig a groper or a face slapper or a hair puller? Sure he got himself bitter and twisted, but did he physically assault anyone or just write bad poetry?
        
        Certainly that useless fat bloke whose dad used to run the National Party failed to provide any evidence of PHYSICAL wrong-doing.
        
        Perhaps you have some evidence? Drop us a line, my friend, or pop round to Chez Breen one evening…
        
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        December 26, 2017 8:21pm
      - starboard
        
        Fuck you’re dull morrissey..dull as dog shit.
        
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        December 26, 2017 8:33pm
      - Morrissey
        
        If that were true, my friend, then your attempted putdown would have some weight behind it. Who’s writing your script, starboard? That was as effective as something dear old Cap’n Mainwaring taps out in his angriest moments.
        
        But since you mention it, THIS is what normal people, whose outlooks have not been perverted by partisanship, regard as “dull as dogshit”….
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11210373
        
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        December 26, 2017 8:44pm
      - starboard
        
        …youre still dull morris, and you have no life at all by the looks of it heh, dickhead. Im off for a beer..feelin lucky tonight. ?
        
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        December 26, 2017 8:54pm
nasska

Nothing says, “I was forced into an arranged marriage with my elderly cousin”, quite like a hijab does.
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December 26, 2017 7:53pm
Morrissey

Did someone say “close relative”?!!?!?

https://www.familyfirst.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/act-jamie-whyte.jpg
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December 26, 2017 8:02pm
starboard

Good afternoon from steamy Bangkok trendsetters. Geeez I love this place..never tire of it. Hope you all had a pleasant xmas day. ?
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December 26, 2017 8:18pm
Jack5

Ed West, in the Spectator, writing about British immigration, makes a pint that is relevant to the non-debate on immigration in NZ (our politicians think such policy is no business of the plebs – the voters):

Recruiting highly-qualified workers with specific skills or talents will almost certainly benefit the economy, although it does have the secondary effect of allowing us to ignore structural and educational weaknesses at home. But an open door that allows access to people who may or may not be more skilled or intelligent than the population at large will not by itself improve the economy, only expand it into a bubble. And highly-motivated but low-skilled foreign workers will not necessarily produce highly-motivated children, who will instead have the same outlook and expectations as other British-born people, an aspect almost routinely ignored.
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December 26, 2017 8:41pm
slightlyrighty

Just watched Dr. Who. A woman Doctor, and she crashed the Tardis….
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December 26, 2017 8:53pm
stephieboy

Jack 5,

(our politicians think such policy is no business of the plebs – the voters)

What a crank comment based on what set of facts ?
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December 26, 2017 8:54pm
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  Mum Stephiestani: I accept that alcohol is against your religion, but for goodness sake pace yourself chewing khat.
  
  The inflow of skilled immigrants is of no relevance to the Auckland Stephiestani community.
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:17pm
stephieboy

Jack5 , never fear I did enjoy our Mascato Rose at Christmas evening dinner . Trouble was needed to have an extra bottle or two,

https://wine-searcher1.freetls.fastly.net/images/labels/27/35/santero-moscato-rose-spumante-dolce-piedmont-italy-10582735.jpg
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December 26, 2017 9:27pm
noskire

Had a rum or two with some of the West Indian cricket team tonight – they hate touring NZ.
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December 26, 2017 9:37pm
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  Is that because they’re being beaten? Because they know they are inferior? Or at least their form is?
  Or they are not being received as the big heroes they would be in other places?
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:53pm
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    They are at the end of a long tour and have just run out of steam. They just want to go home.
    
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    December 26, 2017 10:26pm

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