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William of Ockham

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Eight o’clock and no sign of Santa.

Must be living in a house with no chimney.

Can I be a climate science denier now? Have I passed the test for wishful thinking and stupidity?
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December 25, 2017 8:02am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That’s the most sensible comment I’ve ever seen from William of O.
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:04am
  - sooty
    
    Only the last word!
    
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    December 25, 2017 8:14am
- RalphT
  
  Yes, passed without a shadow of a doubt; top of the class.
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:42am
- jims_whare
  
  A very Merry Christmas to all the mentally impaired and faintly deluded folk who’s first thought on a peaceful Christmas morning is to harange and chide other folks.
  
  I wish that such folk might find a touch of humour and good cheer in the bottom of their old christmas stocking forgotten in the bottom of the hall cupboard.
  
  So dear W of O even to a sour and twisted old leftie like you I raise a glass and bid thee good cheer on this great and peaceful day.
  
  May you rest content after your lunch of raw lentils and half cooked tofu.
  
  Merry Christmas!
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:57am
Manolo

Some Muslims will be barbarians until the end of time:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/24/israeli-chess-players-denied-visas-for-event-in-saudi-arabia

Israeli players have been denied visas to participate in a speed chess championship hosted by Saudi Arabia this week, a vice-president of the World Chess Federation (Fide) has said.

Seven Israeli players had requested visas for the tournament, taking place from 26-30 December. It would have been the first time Saudi Arabia had publicly hosted Israelis, as the Gulf state does not recognise Israel and there are no formal ties between them.
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December 25, 2017 8:03am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And Lorde has reportedly pulled out of her gig in Israel due to the fuss being kicked up by the Hamas-lovers.
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:07am
  - CHFR1
    
    Lorde was always going to do that, after all she is a good leftie and knows where her bread is buttered.
    
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    December 25, 2017 8:08am
    - sooty
      
      Melting snowflake! ( I pinched that from WO )
      
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      December 25, 2017 8:16am
      - sooty
        
        Stupid. She is going to stung by penalty payments. Haaaa Haaaa!
        
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        December 25, 2017 8:18am
      - ztev
        
        Not really. These sort of things are usually announced 6 months ahead, and it is :
        ‘Tuesday, 5 June 2018, 7:00 PM’
        Closer to the time it would have cost
        
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        December 25, 2017 8:51am
      - GazzaW
        
        Great to see that the research unit has a contract law expert specialising in the entertainment industry on call on Christmas Day ztev. I’m impressed.
        
        Unless you just made that up.
        
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        December 25, 2017 9:06am
      - ztev
        
        Same things apply if you a world renewed singer or booking for Teddy bears picnic.
        heaps of music acts cancel all the time, common reasons are ticket sales arent up to expectations but there are others
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/94614863/status-quo-cancel-auckland-show
        Noel Gallagher cancels sold out Auckland show after guitars held up in Chile
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11611114
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:02am
      - ztev
        
        Was Muldoon a melting Snowflake?
        
        ‘From January 1980 Robert Muldoon’s government pressured the Olympic and Commonwealth Games Association to boycott the [Moscow] Games.’
        https://nzhistory.govt.nz/media/photo/moscow-olympics-boycott
        
        Its only wrong when done by the left
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:07am
      - Morrissey
        
        ztev,
        
        Yes, Muldoon WAS wrong to urge a boycott of the 1980 Olympics. Remember that the old hypocrite had been personally responsible for significantly damaging the 1976 Montreal Games by his support for racist football.
        
        And if he was so concerned about Soviet involvement in Afghanistan, why did he not express similar concern about U.S. terror and mass murder in Central and South America, and its destruction of Indo-China?
        
        Muldoon’s regime also obediently followed the U.S. directive to support the Khmer Rouge in 1979….
        
        http://www.nzjh.auckland.ac.nz/docs/1999/NZJH_33_2_05.pdf
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:33am
      - Kimbo
        
        ‘From January 1980 Robert Muldoon’s government pressured the Olympic and Commonwealth Games Association to boycott the [Moscow] Games.’
        
        As Muldoon and his government also did under the terms of the Gleneagles Agreement to discourage NZ Rugby Union from proceeding with the 1981 Springbok tour. Really. The Olympic canoeists and a pentathlete defied Muldoon’s request and competed at Moscow, btw, just as the NZRFU ignored the overtures of Muldoon and the then-Minister of Foreign Affairs, Brian Talboys. Not that that is recalled in the re-telling by most anti-tour propagandists.
        
        Says much for Muldoon that even though he despised Carter as a muddle-headed naive dreamer whose “humanitarian” foreign policy would lead to much trouble in the world – as it did! – that Muldoon still respected Carter’s office and our relationship with the Americans sufficiently to do what he could to enforce Carter’s idiotic decision to boycott the Moscow Games. Not that Carter – a small and petty man – ever appreciated it. Instead, Cater had sought to punish Muldoon and NZ for Muldoon’s accurate description of Carter as “a peanut farmer from Georgia”. As if a New Zealander describing someone as a farmer is an insult! Muldoon’s mentor whom he greatly admired, Keith Holyoake was a farmer who had left school at age 12!
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:36am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Morrissey
        
        Remember that the old hypocrite had been personally responsible for significantly damaging the 1976 Montreal Games by his support for racist football.
        
        Given that our sporting contact with South Africa that year consisted of an All Black tour to the Republic (as the British and Irish Lions had done in 1974, and then the French in 1975), what would you have had Muldoon do? Become a real fascist rather than the imaginary one the fashionable left wing tried to paint him as for years, by somehow stopping law-abiding New Zealanders from freely leaving the country to travel abroad? Yeah, that woulda worked – confiscate the passports of Bryan Williams, Ian Kirkpatrick, Sid Going and Grant Batty and place them under house arrest to stop them going…
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:42am
      - Morrissey
        
        Kimbo,
        
        All Muldoon had to do was show some backbone and speak out against apartheid. All he had to do was make it quite clear that the All Blacks had no government approval of their tour. Instead, he made it an election issue in 1975.
        
        Sid and Kirky and the rest of them—apart from men of conscience like Sandy McNicol and Graham Mourie—could then have enjoyed their sojourn in the apartheid state, turning a blind eye to the daily humiliations of the black and coloured populations.
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:54am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Morrissey
        
        All Muldoon had to do was show some backbone and speak out against apartheid.
        
        The New Zealand government of which Muldoon had been a part before the 1972 election, and after the 1975 one (which they won by a landslide – so much for your respect for democracy!) consistently spoke out against apartheid.
        
        All he had to do was make it quite clear that the All Blacks had no government approval of their tour. Instead, he made it an election issue in 1975.
        
        No, the point of Muldoon’s policy in 1975 was that, irrespective of government disapproval, New Zealand sporting bodies should have the freedom to compete against whom they wished. Is the reason why, when the Gleneagles Agreement was drafted and signed in 1977, Muldoon insisted that the Commonwealth nations were obligated to “discourage”, but not “ban/prohibit” sporting contacts with apartheid South Africa. Went against every bone in Muldoon’s body for a New Zealand government to take on such power.
        
        Sid and Kirky and the rest of them—apart from men of conscience like Sandy McNicol and Graham Mourie—could then have enjoyed their sojourn in the apartheid state, turning a blind eye to the daily humiliations of the black and coloured populations
        
        But in many cases they didn’t. They went, and made up their own minds based on what they saw and experienced. In the case of some – Bruce Robertson and Gary Seear – it meant that they did not play against the 1981 Springboks. In the case of others – Kirkpatrick as manager of the 1986 Cavaliers, Alan Sutherland (who like Kirkpatrick, Williams and Going had toured there before in 1970), Lawrie Knight and Kevin Eveleigh – they later toured again or even lived in South Africa. In the case of others – Bryan Williams, coach (and later Labour Party candidate) JJ Stewart and Billy Bush – they continued to express misgivings and opposition to apartheid, but also their belief that sporting boycotts were a counter-productive means to end it. Which was Muldoon’s policy all along – New Zealand individuals and sporting organisations should be free to make up their own mind, without government interference and restrictions.
        
        But typical that a quasi-fascist like you would seek to dictate and determine after the event what is and isn’t a decision of genuine “conscience”.
        
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        December 25, 2017 11:09am
  - Doubledimp
    
    Yep, it seems every asshole with a microphone now believes they have to use it on the world political stage. Thanks, Bono (not!)
    
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    December 25, 2017 8:22am
  - redqueen
    
    And now she’s gone on my ‘banned list’. I don’t go to see musicians who think they need to be political nor to ones who cower to political demands.
    
    Oh well.
    
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    December 25, 2017 8:32am
    - ztev
      
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      So Springsteen is on that list ?
      Born in the USA sounds very political, n’est pas ?
      
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      December 25, 2017 8:52am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Lonely there on Willis Street today z?
        
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        December 25, 2017 8:57am
      - lofty
        
        Again you have not failed me ztev.
        
        Reading through your little comments this morning, I am now certain that there is nothing you do not know, a veritable walking talking typing know all…..stunning.
        
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        December 25, 2017 9:12am
      - redqueen
        
        Actually, yes, Springsteen is sanctimonious. Not even a bad song, but I won’t go to see him live. I like the Jam as well, even agree with them sometimes, but I will not see them live.
        
        Lots of great music has been written by utter pillocks. We may enjoy it, but we may also draw our lines. For many, ‘Not taking a stand’ is worthy of a boycott. For me, politicising everything is worth a boycott.
        
        Have a very merry Christmas 🙂
        
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        December 25, 2017 9:47am
      - Kimbo
        
        Steve van Zandt of Springsteen’s E Street Band was organising boycotts over 30 years ago! 😉
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlMdYpnVOGQ
        
        From memory Queen were ones who did play Sun City and were censured by their fellow artists for it.
        
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        December 25, 2017 9:56am
      - waikatogirl
        
        redqueen: “Actually, yes, Springsteen is sanctimonious.”
        
        In his autobiography, Springsteen asks his mother who his family vote for? The answer being democrats. He obviously never considered an alternative personal position, accepting the working class persona without question.
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:33am
      - redqueen
        
        @Waikatogirl
        
        Whereas I have family who vote Democrat, Republican, Liberal Democrat, and Conservative. I usually wind all of them up, for various reasons… 😉
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:47am
      - sooty
        
        A walking, talking, arsehole!
        
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        December 25, 2017 5:46pm
    - Morrissey
      
      You go ahead and enjoy listening to the few musicians who have no heart and no conscience, girl!
      
      Here’s one. Happy Christmas, my dear….
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpCYrOPmfNA
      
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      December 25, 2017 10:28am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Human rights advocates, Cap’n. It was the messages of human rights advocates that this young entertainer listened to, not the messages of “Hamas-lovers.”
    
    Many of Israel’s most trenchant critics—in Israel and the Occupied Territories as well as the rest of the world—are Jewish, Christian or just plain secular. Calling these people of conscience “Hamas-lovers” is nothing other than a poorly thought out attempt at smearing them. And remember this, my befuddled friend: Hamas is the democratically elected government, and certainly enjoys more respect internationally than the horror show that has seized the levers of power in Washington or its blackly comic vassal regime in Tel Aviv.
    
    “The so-called ‘friends of Israel’, who support Israel automatically and blindly: this has nothing to do with friendship. They are enemies of Israel—they corrupt us. The Jewish establishment in Australia kept saying to me: ‘Israel right or wrong.’ Well, Israel is wrong and they need to stop supporting it. Continuous support by Western governments and by the Jewish establishment is anything BUT friendship.”
    
    —-Israeli journalist Gideon Levy, speaking in Auckland, 3 December 2017
    
    http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.co.nz/2017/12/unbelievable-brutality-day-after-day.html
    
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    December 25, 2017 10:20am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘ Hamas is the democratically elected government,’
      
      When’s the next Election? Been awhile.
      
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      December 25, 2017 10:35am
      - Morrissey
        
        Fool, how could any government under such a brutal siege run an election? Just as Great Britain held no elections while another fascist regime threatened it, so the Hamas government cannot do it.
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:38am
      - All_on_Red
        
        How did they hold the last one?
        
        Mind you, to be fair, it must be difficult what with all the rocket attacks, the stabbing s etc- oh wait.
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:44am
      - Morrissey
        
        You’re ignorant. Do some reading.
        
        Why did you not attend the Gideon Levy talk?
        
        http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.co.nz/2017/12/unbelievable-brutality-day-after-day.html
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:47am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Another question if I may.
        How come all the leaders of Hamas are multi Millionaires and yet the people of Gaza are living in poverty? -apparently.
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:49am
      - All_on_Red
        
        If they were under siege how did they manage to hold the last Election?
        Hey, at what age does little Mo be old enough to be sent to ‘stab the Jew’ classes? Asking for a friend.
        
        It’s alright Morrissey- we know you are full of shit.
        Merry Christmas
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:50am
      - Morrissey
        
        As I said, you’re ignorant. Now you’re making a pig of yourself.
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:55am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Awkward questions huh.
        Never mind. You’ll grow up eventually
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:58am
      - redeye
        
        Hamas children television certainly promote peace.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ORAM-usqhQ&t=3s
        
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        December 25, 2017 12:58pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        There you go again All_on_Red, trying to argue logic with a libtard fascist. You know it’s not fair to do that – you really have to leave them to make policy with “feelingz”.
        
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        December 25, 2017 4:19pm
    - Dave_1924
      
      “And remember this, my befuddled friend: Hamas is the democratically elected government, and certainly enjoys more respect internationally than the horror show that has seized the levers of power in Washington or its blackly comic vassal regime in Tel Aviv.”
      
      Hamas – respected?? Man, you need to get on a plane and go live there and see how they command “respect”….
      
      You are right up there with Sir Cullens sidekickas a parody account par excellence…. Bravo Morrisey, bravo
      
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      December 25, 2017 5:53pm
  - KH
    
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    Am really pleased that Lorde pulled out. The Israeli’s need to be told every time possible their behaviour is an offence to the civilised world.
    
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    December 25, 2017 10:24am
    - lofty
      
      I consider myself civilised, and I am not offended, but thanks for being inclusive.
      
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      December 25, 2017 10:40am
    - Southern Raider
      
      Nope can’t say I’m offended either
      
      Have you been to Israel or just “educated” by twitter like Lorde
      
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      December 25, 2017 11:12am
    - big bruv
      
      Does not offend me at all. I quite like the idea of peace loving Israelis keeping themselves safe from stone age Muslims who want to kill them.
      I’m more offended by the left wing media in NZ who constantly tell lies about Israel.
      
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      December 25, 2017 11:42am
- Sofia
  
  Regarding the tendency for some random people to wrought mayhem with a vehicle for no apparent reason –
  If a Muslim terrorist fails in his or her attack to establish an obvious motive – typically their action is classified a lone wolf mentally afflicted event of violence – does said person, when finally appearing before Allah, have to forego infinite sexual pleasure, the right to petition on behalf of his or her family and loose any other advantages, for his action having not been clearly in the service of Allah or Islam?
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:14am
- Lance
  
  Then it is not a chess tournament at all.
  
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  December 25, 2017 10:46am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  But this travel ban by dirty muslims is OK? We never hear any condemnation of the blanket bans on Israelis travelling to the muslim world?
  
  But Trump’s travel ban is evil beyond belief?
  
  As usual it makes you wonder about the blanket attacks on Trump for things which others do with impunity?
  
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  December 25, 2017 4:17pm
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“”Comrades, the revolution is on. The workers’ revolution is on, and you are not working.

The workers’ and peasants’ revolution means work, comrades; it does not mean idleness and leisure. That is a bourgeois ideal.

The workers’ revolution, a workers’ government, means work, that all shall work; and here you are not working. You are only talking.-Lenin 1917
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December 25, 2017 8:03am
- CHFR1
  
  Seriously don’t you take a day off with your misery.
  Merry Christmas anyway, I hope your family finds a way to infuse the Christmas spirit into you. I on the other hand intend to spend the day counting my blessings.
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:07am
  - sooty
    
    Fuck off, wanker!
    
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    December 25, 2017 8:18am
    - CHFR1
      
      There is always someone who can say things more succinctly than I.
      
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      December 25, 2017 8:28am
- cmm
  
  Long running Soviet era joke:
  
  “We pretend to work, and they pretend to pay us!”
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:26am
- Sampson
  
  Is ztev only talking?
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:43am
Inandout

The deluded still live among us.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/100164262/using-tea-party-tactics-leftwing-groups-try-to-derail-donald-trumps-agenda
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December 25, 2017 8:09am
Manolo

Selling smoke is a very profitable business:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/12/23/pope-francis-christmas-hostage-worldliness/

This week, Francis told a group of schoolchildren that if Jesus Christ is removed from the holidays, Christmas is emptied of all significance.

Addressing a group of youngsters who came to the Vatican for the blessing of the figures of Jesus for their Nativity scenes, the pope told them that only a Christ-centered celebration is the “real Christmas.”
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December 25, 2017 8:11am
- G152
  
  Nope. Christmas is or rather was a northern European mid winter festival.
  Taken over by christians and claimed to be their little gods birthday
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:47am
  - Kimbo
    
    Territory changes hands all the time. Just listen to the competing claims over who is the “rightful” owner of Israel/Palestine based on historic and/or current tenure! 😉
    
    So if territory can come under legitimate new management, why not…religious and/or seasonal feasts and holidays? That is what has happened in NZ to a large extent. Christmas has been emptied of its Christian meaning for many – and fair enough, if you are not a Christian you are not obligated to worship Christ and commemorate his incarnation – and turned into a family/national summer holiday occasion.
    
    So, no. As a good Protestant – of the Calvinist tradition that once attempted to abolish Christmas 😉 – I don’t automatically accept what the Pope says is so. But in deference for the day, and for the sensitive Nukuleka’s sake (who is seldom as charitable, much less abstains from “perennially nasty toxic religious bigotry” when discussing other faiths, particularly Islam), I’ll refrain from addressing the Bishop of Rome by his traditional description by Protestants, “the Antichrist”. Oops, just did! 😉
    
    https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/12/puritan-war-christmas-was-best-war-christmas/355705/
    
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    December 25, 2017 10:11am
    - KevOB
      
      Your bias shows.
      Have Calvinists ceased drowning Christians who didn’t fit their prescription?
      Can a Christian be right righteous?
      
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      December 25, 2017 12:05pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Your bias shows.
        
        Sure hope so – I work hard at it! 😉
        
        Have Calvinists ceased drowning Christians who didn’t fit their prescription?
        
        Yes, although we only reserved that penalty for Anabaptists – who said Calvinist don’t have a sense of humour about their religion? 😉 Others like Servetus – whom Rome also condemned in a similar manner before he escaped and then washed up in Geneva looking for trouble, likely to usurp Calvin’s leadership – were burned at the stake. Backstory – Years before and at the risk of his life Calvin had delayed his flight from Catholic France at the request of Servetus who wanted to discuss biblical doctrine with him. Calvin did so in the hope of ministering life to Servetus’ heretical trinity-denying mind, but Servetus never showed up. Still doesn’t make the capital punishment for heresy right, although Calvin did plead with the Geneva town council that they do so by the quicker more humane method of the sword…
        
        Can a Christian be right righteous?
        
        Yes, and – contra the Council of Trent – by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone! Merry Christmas, KevOB to you and all the other faithful Roman Catholics of Kiwiblog.
        
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        December 25, 2017 12:19pm
      - holysheet
        
        “Sure hope so – I work hard at it! ”
        
        Sorry Kimbo, but you need to work a lot harder. This drivel just will not do. Your sanctimommy is showing through as usual. And it’s on Christmas day of all days.
        
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        December 25, 2017 12:25pm
- Nukuleka
  
  I am charitably assuming that all the upticks are in favour of the Pope’s attitude to Christmas and not in support of your own perennially nasty toxic religious bigotry, Manolo. Give us a break on CHRISTmas Day, please!
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:56am
GazzaW

All the spaces taken up at the pumps at my local BP station this morning at 6.10am. Widespread reports of some service stations with no fuel at all last night.

Why have we not been prewarned and what steps are being taken to ensure that fuel supplies will be maintained over the holiday period?

Will the fuel companies and the Duty Minister please stand up.
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December 25, 2017 8:13am
- Digmen1
  
  There was an article on the Herald a few days ago
  saying that some service stations were running low.
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:46am
  - kowtow
    
    National in power ,the media call that a crisis, under Labia it’s not.
    
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    December 25, 2017 9:43am
    - ztev
      
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      Was calling in the navy tanker not really necessary then.
      They had exemplary crisis management because it was a crisis.- there was NO fuel being piped to Auckland.
      
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      December 25, 2017 10:21am
      - Kabull
        
        How much fueel did Endeavour move, then, Ztev? Oh, thats right- none. Why dont you give us all a break and stop your precious pontificating.
        
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        December 25, 2017 2:36pm
- doggone7
  
  It’s just business isn’t it? What’s it got to do with the government or a minister?
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:54am
  - GazzaW
    
    I would have thought that the Government had some interest in the maintenance of a regular fuel supply over the peak holiday period. Cars need filling, delivery trucks have to continue operating, tour coaches are full and every rental car and campervan in the country has been rented to tourists.
    
    Labour held the Nats feet to the flames over the avgas crisis and they responded.
    
    Now it’s Labour’s turn to stand up even if it is only to declare that there’s no problem and there’s no need for panic buying.
    
    It’s called responsible government.
    
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    December 25, 2017 9:15am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      And even during the holidays.
      
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      December 25, 2017 9:55am
    - freethinker
      
      Calling Labour a responsible Government is an oxymoron unless it is in the context of another financial crisis or other stuff up. But in the spirit of the season Happy Christmas Jacinda and all who sail with her.
      
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      December 25, 2017 5:24pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Bet we don’t hear the Christmas word now labour are holding the purse strings.
  
  Crisis, what crisis?
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:00am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Everything as evidenced by the hysterical media when that digger strike broke the fuel pipeline.
    
    National were the government and right down to running out of steak and cheese pies at the local BP was the governments fault so why not this!
    
    ‘Not doing enough’ was the catch cry
    
    My arse – Jim Royale
    
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    December 25, 2017 9:05am
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    C word C word!
    
    Bloody predictive text, have a day off why dontcha!
    
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    December 25, 2017 9:07am
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    fall out of bed and bang your head did you
    
    ‘Jacinda Ardern’s Christmas message’
    Merry Christmas.
    
    No matter what you’re doing or how you’re celebrating I hope you have a happy and safe time.
    
    For me some of the best traditions are not the presents or gifts, but about family and all the personal traditions we build over the years.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11965304
    
    This MADE my day , calling out stupid jerks as …stupid jerk
    
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    December 25, 2017 10:10am
- RalphT
  
  I’m not sure what the point is in approaching the duty minister; we all know the shortage at some stations was caused by the last government. Once Jacinda hears about the problem she will have it fixed in next to no time.
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:24am
  - artemisia
    
    People do tend to quietly blame the gummint for stuff, even if the Opposition or media don’t tell them to. It’s the cradle-to-grave world we live in these days.
    
    Every driver that can’t fill up these holidays ticks up a tiny question mark in their brain called WTF. After a few brain ticks happen, for whatever reason, that WTF starts to get a little bigger….
    
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    December 25, 2017 9:56am
Inandout

Little Lordey pulls out of Israel:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-bds-pressure-popster-lorde-cancels-israel-gig/

Another nazi win.
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December 25, 2017 8:13am
- ztev
  
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  Whats BDS have to do with it ?
  She was to perform in Tel Aviv Convention centre not in occupied territories
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:56am
- Fletch
  
  G.K. Chesterton — ‘A dead thing can go with the stream, but only a living thing can go against it.’
  
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  December 25, 2017 10:26am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Reminds me of ‘only dead fish go with the flow’
    
    One of my faves.
    
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    December 25, 2017 4:55pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Hey downticker – suck my jingle bells.
      A wittle wed tick means you’d like to lick . . .
      
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      December 25, 2017 5:13pm
cmm

A big thanks to the cops out last night manning the booze buses throughout NZ.

A big “fuck off” to the drink drivers who make this necessary.
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December 25, 2017 8:29am
big bruv

So Lorde can’t sing, can’t dance and can’t think for herself. Stupid cow.
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December 25, 2017 8:32am
- G152
  
  Hey be fair. She wants to turn any remaining fans off it her business
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:49am
- doggone7
  
  For all the can’t sing and can’t dance a lot of people are entertained by her.
  
  As for the can’t think for herself I don’t know.
  You think for yourself. Does that make you not a stupid cow or not a bullshit spreader?
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:57am
- Inandout
  
  I had to smile when she said she was in so many words, ‘re-educated on Israel’. The Left will be orgasmic this morning on their re-education programme, but it is rather a hollow win. They are looking more and more like bully boys.
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:04am
- GazzaW
  
  Not a prudent move by Lorde. She’s forgotten who runs the entertainment industry.
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:22am
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    being anti semetic are you?- next you will be saying they control the banks and other such rubbish.
    
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    December 25, 2017 10:14am
    - GazzaW
      
      Don’t call me anti-semitic you arsehole.
      
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      December 25, 2017 10:47am
      - Lance
        
        ztev doesn’t know how not to be an arsehole.
        
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        December 25, 2017 10:54am
  - KH
    
    And the people who run the entertainment industry might be the same people who paid off Trump to support Israel. The yanks are on about ‘Russiagate’ They should really investigate ‘Israelgate’. That influence has pulled USA independence inside out.
    
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    December 25, 2017 10:17am
Monique Watson

I’m just a little fucked up. Liver is fine. Thanks for asking,
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December 25, 2017 8:38am
- waikatogirl
  
  Keep working on the Christmas cheerfulness Monique.
  Happy Holidays. ?
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:02am
- lofty
  
  If your liver is fine, you are doing it wrong Monique ?
  
  Best wishes and have a great Christmas in the US of A.
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:07am
Komata

BB

(And a Merry Christmas to you)

Re: ‘So Lorde can’t sing, can’t dance and can’t think for herself’.

Except that, because of the smallness of our nation, the local media think she’s SOOOO important and wonderful and as a result, she now thinks she’s ‘A person who’s opinion cannot be ignored’ and that what she says actually matters to the world at large. It also helps your ‘street cred’ and supposedly shows you to be a REAL SJW… Unfortunately that is actually not the case, although she does not have the intelligence to realise that. When your sychophants repeatedly tell you that you’re the metaphorycal ‘Bees knees’ (while actually only being interested in taking your money) than inevitably you wind up believing them.

But, hey, it sells newspapers, makes the TV news at home and makes her feel so very, very special, so what is there not to like?

PT Barnum’s famous phrase does come to mind…
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December 25, 2017 8:45am
Monique Watson

Santa is fine. The Reindeer just dumped in our back yard.Fuckers. But cute as all get out.
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December 25, 2017 8:48am
- cmm
  
  Flying reindeer dung has got to be great for fertilizing the mushrooms.
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:57am
- ztev
  
  haha.
  Thats what they call the fence to keep animals away from the house
  
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  December 25, 2017 8:57am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Open a window there z, I think you are beginning to suffer from inhaling your own fart gas
    
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    December 25, 2017 9:11am
- waikatogirl
  
  Aren’t Santa and his reindeer 24 hours early for your neck of the woods Monique? He will have stopped off for a quick drink and rest after a busy night in the southern hemisphere! ?
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:54am
  - Kimbo
    
    So venison is not on the menu for Christmas dinner at your place? 😉
    
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    December 25, 2017 10:19am
Sampson

People are now being called up by Customs who basically say they have intercepted drugs, know where they live, and don’t do it again.
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December 25, 2017 8:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s reindeer culling time in Norway.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/06/world/europe/reindeer-norway-trial.html
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December 25, 2017 9:06am
Stars And Stripes

To all those who are cooking their own Christmas meal congratulate yourself.
To all those who are heading down to the free one shame on you as you are nothing but a bludger.
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December 25, 2017 9:06am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Or lonely, it would be a shame for the food to go to waste now, they should ask for a gold coin donation.
  
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  December 25, 2017 10:03am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    They would only ask for a gold coin donation if WINZ agreed to pay as otherwise some of the freeloaders would balk at coughing up and a “record attendance” might not be achieved.
    
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    December 25, 2017 10:46am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Last count I heard there were 200 waiting on the street to get in.
      
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      December 25, 2017 12:41pm
      - MH
        
        and they were just the celebs wishing to be seen doing good works serving. St John the breakfast Campbell head of the queue.
        
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        December 25, 2017 1:16pm
wiseowl

Merry Xmas to all.
Been so busy lately but today my present of ‘Make America Great Again ” tee shirt makes me feel it was all worth it.
To all Conservatives keep fighting for what is right .Call out the lefties and the UN followers.
Make New Zealand Great Again.
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December 25, 2017 9:08am
Tarquin North

Merry Christmas everyone. I’m off to Auckland this morning, having heard there is a fuel shortage down that way I decided to fill up at Marsden Cove which is normally the cheapest place around. It was 1.32 a litre for diesel. Thanks Jacinda and Winnie, our dollar tanking should do wonders for poverty reduction.
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December 25, 2017 9:10am
- GazzaW
  
  Top up before you hit the city Tarquin.
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:19am
- ztev
  
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  Tanking, its up again to the level it was in May.
  Tanking was what happened at the end of 2015 when it went much lower than now.
  These things are always variable and driven more by what traders think about US dollar.
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:53am
  - lofty
    
    Oh my God..is there nothing you don’t know….impressed.
    
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    December 25, 2017 10:51am
MH

has Adern found 3 wise men yet?
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December 25, 2017 10:01am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Is Ardern the saviour???
  
  The closest that incompetent fool gets to 3 wise men is when she looks across the house.
  
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  December 25, 2017 10:38am
- RalphT
  
  Any wise man would have enough sense to stay well away from her
  
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  December 25, 2017 11:13am
- holysheet
  
  She doesn’t need three. We can give her ztev. He knows everything there is to know about fuck all.
  Be right up Cindys alley, having someone of his calibre to tell her what to do. Helps spread the bullshit.
  
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  December 25, 2017 12:32pm
KH

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Congratulations to Lorde. It’s just a little nudge, but every opportunity must be made to let the Israelis know their murderous behaviour is unacceptable. They try to make out they are a civilised society with western values of justice. But they are not.
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December 25, 2017 10:13am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Fuck off KH, they are the only civilised country within 1000 kilometres of their borders and are entitled to protect that situation.
  
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  December 25, 2017 10:20am
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    So I guess Captain that is why they go over the border into Syria and supply arms and pay salaries to ISIS.
    
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    December 25, 2017 10:25am
    - Lance
      
      So you like don’t believe in the moon landings, that 911 was organised by GWB etc etc?
      
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      December 25, 2017 11:01am
    - VicParking
      
      Bull Shit, Fake News, cobswollop.
      
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      December 25, 2017 12:52pm
- srylands
  
  Well I have spent some time in Israel and it seemed civilised to me. I had a wonderful time.
  
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  December 25, 2017 2:08pm
Chuck Bird

I wonder how many nations would support the US in the UN if they proposed that China be condemned for the atrocity at Tiananmen Square. What would Comrade Cindy do?

At least 10,000 killed at Tiananmen Square, secret cable claims

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11965561
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December 25, 2017 10:18am
- KH
  
  Yes Chuck. The world chooses on very unethical grounds who it criticises. At the same time as Tiananmen the Thais also killed a bunch of protestors including a New Zealand citizen. We said nothing much about that.
  
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  December 25, 2017 10:30am
- Morrissey
  
  After the Tiananmen massacre, the U.S. maintained a silence closely resembling complicity and approval.
  
  But at least they didn’t try to blame it on the Tibetans or the Indians, in the way they tried to blame Iran for their protégé Saddam Hussein’s chemical weapons attack on Halabja.
  
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  December 25, 2017 10:44am
  - holysheet
    
    No but you can bet if Trump or John Key were around then, they would have been blamed.
    
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    December 25, 2017 12:34pm
  - ztev
    
    What rubbish, The US and its allies imposed a range of diplomatic and economic sanctions on China after the events.
    http://www.nbr.org/publications/element.aspx?id=73
    
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    December 25, 2017 12:45pm
Stars And Stripes

Just stuck the Size 7 turkey(cruelty guaranteed) in the oven which is good for 12 people apparently even though there are only four of us eating.
Yes I am guilty of over consumption and contributing to global warming but who gives a fuck.
Can box up the leftover bird and send via surface mail to Africa or maybe to all the miserable sods at SAFE who will probably be having a tofu banquet with lettuce leaves for dessert.
Shame I have to work tonight though as the wife has stockpiled so much booze in the house I reckon the whole town could get shitfaced on it.
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December 25, 2017 10:22am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Love ya work S&S, thanks for the entertaining and informative posts this year, have a great day
  
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  December 25, 2017 10:46am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Thank you I am truely humbled.
    The skill of bigotry and prejudice is dying in NZ but I am doing my best to keep traditions alive.
    
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    December 25, 2017 11:02am
    - Kimbo
      
      Just remember, I’m your literary agent. 😉
      
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      December 25, 2017 11:17am
cha

Not all Germans.

#Hans Gruber

https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2017/12/24/trump-adds-germany-travel-ban-hostages-taken-nakatomi-tower/
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December 25, 2017 10:38am
Inandout

I wonder if Lorde’s ex manager would approve of her move.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6568910/did-lorde-just-explain-why-she-split-with-her-manager

‘The Guardian reporter Eamonn Forde warned that a long-list of artists — including the Spice Girls, Lady Gaga, Snow Patrol, Duffy and Jessie J — saw their careers lose momentum when they split with their respective managers’.
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December 25, 2017 10:43am
KH

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Following the United States decision to recognise Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, the Palestinian authorities have entered into the spirit of things and decided to arbitrarily shift the capital of The United States to England.
In a move which will surprise many, the Palestinians announced yesterday that the capital of The United States will from now on, be the Lincolnshire steel town of Scunthorpe. Eagle eyed readers – but not necessarily all Americans – will have noticed that Scunthorpe isn’t even in the United States.
A spokesperson for the Palestinian movement said “I know this will come as a surprise to many people but we thought long and hard before coming to the decision. We considered a number of options, but in the end decided to kill two birds with one stone.
A spokesperson for President Trump said the President would not be commenting on the announcement until he’s consulted his Children’s Atlas Of Far Away Lands and had someone explain the joke to him.
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December 25, 2017 10:47am
- lofty
  
  Excellent joke KH, we need more funny bastards here.
  You and ztev could team up as a tag team walking talking typing know everything encyclopaedic comedy platinum plus duo.
  
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  December 25, 2017 11:01am
  - Lance
    
    Sorry, ztev has embraced the dark side, his hate has made him powerful. He cannot be turned.
    
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    December 25, 2017 11:06am
  - holysheet
    
    Look you need to get your facts right. Next to Ztev, we have Kimbo in the know it all stakes here. You will give him a heart attack if you leave him out of your discussion about such creeps.
    
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    December 25, 2017 12:40pm
    - lofty
      
      Oops correct, forgot about Kimbo, I blame the eggnog.
      It can be overwhelming being surrounded by so many knowalls, I feel inadequate and not a little intimidated at times…not. ??‍?
      
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      December 25, 2017 1:26pm
    - Kimbo
      
      @ holysheet
      
      You pissed at me because, after my post yesterday, your unfortunate wife explained to you the meaning of “misanthropist”?
      
      Merry Xmas, holysheet, but I see Santa didn’t deliver your requested gift of the assassination of Meteria Turei. Seem you haven’t been a good boy this year – but then most Kiwibloggers knew that without St Nick passing you by.
      
      Anyway, enough chit chat with the blog’s resident bore -I’ve got another pig to roast, this one for Xmas dinner…
      
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      December 25, 2017 1:27pm
- Lance
  
  The meds… don’t forget your meds.
  They are in the wee blister pack labelled “Monday”.
  Take them immediately before you go total retard.
  
  Opps.. too late.
  
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  December 25, 2017 11:04am
- All_on_Red
  
  Poor KH, it’s head will explode if it knew that Obama, Clinton and Bush all said before Trump that Jerusalem should be the capital of Israel.
  So funny.
  
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  December 25, 2017 11:20am
  - rangitoto
    
    As did Putin.
    
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    December 25, 2017 12:19pm
    - cha
      
      Yeah, and fuck the impact on regional Christians, evangelicals loons gotta fulfill their end-times body count so they can get themselves all raptured to fuck.
      /
      
      http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/trudy_rubin/trump-and-pence-unnerve-holy-land-christians-20171223.html
      
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      December 25, 2017 12:33pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Meanwhile far far away from the Alt Media suffering from TDS The Times comments
        ‘One of the reasons behind the embassy move, according to Trump, was to communicate to the Palestinians that threats of violence over any policy change will no longer deter U.S. interests in the region. According to one individual interviewed by The Times, the Palestinians might be learning this lesson:”The response has been more of a part-time simulation of an uprising, almost by appointment. A few thousand protesters have turned out at familiar friction points in the West Bank or along the Gaza border on the designated “Days of Rage” called for by the political factions. Other days, hardly anybody has shown up.”
        “It’s not that people don’t want to stand up for their rights,” said Samar Salah, 25, a Muslim student from a nearby village who had come to Bethlehem with her friends to see the Christmas decorations. “But there are never any results …”
        Further, as the Times notes, “many Palestinians now view the confrontations with Israeli soldiers as pointless since they consider the Jerusalem declaration unlikely to be reversed.” While many in the media treat the average Palestinian as unstable, the article notes that many in the region “seem to have more immediate concerns than throwing stones at Israeli soldiers.”
        
        Although it may seem counterintuitive, Trump’s devotion to projecting America’s power might actually have a calming effect on the Middle East — particularly with regards to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Unlike previous administrations, the president’s unwillingness to allow Palestinian threats of violence to deter the US from recognizing “reality” has caused some Palestinians to realize that “not one intifada has made a difference,” as Palestinian activist Abu Akker told The Times.
        
        As President Ronald Reagan once said, the United States should “maintain … peace through our strength” for “weakness only invites aggression.”
        
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        December 25, 2017 2:47pm
- billr
  
  That’s very funny. I especially liked the reference to ” Children’s Atlas Of Far Away Lands”
  
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  December 25, 2017 3:00pm
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Young John Key pushing junk bonds

Before he was bullied by Hollywood executives, John Key was being gently guided in New York…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLnmagiYVIk
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December 25, 2017 11:25am
- Lance
  
  If you try really really hard you might force him to resign from parliament.
  Keep up the good fight comrad
  
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  December 25, 2017 11:36am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Opposed to Old Mossey pushing junk ‘facts’
  
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  December 25, 2017 11:52am
- GazzaW
  
  You and your comrades can fling as much shit as you like about John Key Morrissey but you’ll never knock him off his perch as being the most popular PM this country has ever had. Your hatred and envy of him is so apparent given that your lot are still poking the borax and trying to discredit him twelve months after his resignation.
  
  A dollar to a pinch of goatshit you’ll come back with a smart arse answer with a load of links but they mean fuck all in terms of the public perception of JK.
  
  I reckon Labour’s biggest nightmare would be John Key announcing that he was coming back out of retirement.
  
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  December 25, 2017 5:13pm
Tauhei Notts

Christmas is a time of bringing people together. The spirit of family.
So nobody anywhere is giving Donald Trump the glory he deserves at this festive time.
He has brought Saudi Arabia and Iran together.
He has brought India and Pakistan together.
He has brought Greece and Turkey together.
He has brought North Korea and South Korea together.
All together in their condemnation of that shift from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
The Donald; he is the hero of our times.
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December 25, 2017 11:38am
Jack5

Radio NZ on its web site doesn’t have much about the religious aspect of Christmas, though I bet if it were a Muslim, Hindu or Chinese festival, there would be a full explanation.

There’s an LGBTIQ flag, and a report which quotes RainbowYOUTH executive Director, Frances Arns, suggesting that 8000 young LGBT New Zealanders are living “in unsafe environments such as cars, motels or on the street.”

Arns arrives at this number by, first, stating that “… there’s more than 40,000 people living” in this way. Then:

“We know that around half of that population is under 25, and using American research, we estimate up to 40% of homeless rangatahi identify as queer and or gender diverse.”

Rangatahi is Maori for young people.

The Auckland based RainbowYouth says it is “dedicated to helping young queer and gender diverse (LGBTIQ) people up to the ages of 27, as well as their wider communities. LBGTIQ stands for Lesbian, Bisexual, Gay, Transgender, Intersex, and Questioning.

The calculation basis for the number of these young folk having a rough time is flaky, but I hope religious or other charity groups are able to give them sort of Christmas cheer today.
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December 25, 2017 11:56am
- Inandout
  
  Had emails from Nero and Pinnacle wishing ‘happy holidays’, so I unsubscribed both.
  
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  December 25, 2017 12:33pm
Huevon

Happy birthday Jesus!

https://youtu.be/SQtFtyrZ-IA
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December 25, 2017 11:57am
Viking2

Ice blocks the size of wheelie bins, leafy greens and turkey are just some of the festive foods on the menu at Auckland Mission

Much like the rest of the country, the missions bludgers received a treat of their favourite foods on Christmas Day.

Some of the treats were even wrapped in Christmas packaging, providing enrichment and entertainment as well as a tasty treat.
New Zealand’s bird of the year, the cheeky kea, unwrapped a favourite treat of peanuts and cashew nuts from cardboard boxes.
Kea enjoyed the cardboard box almost as much as the nuts inside. 😆

Fresh fish and seafood were on the menu for these otterly-adorable asians.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/100117467/auckland-zoo-animals-christmas-day-treats
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December 25, 2017 1:00pm
- Lance
  
  You’re a very naughty man.
  Snigger
  
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  December 25, 2017 2:11pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  And how many went to a church or did anything remotely religiously related this day ?
  
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  December 25, 2017 5:05pm
  - lifesgood
    
    The churches were packed, as they always are at Christmas.
    
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    December 25, 2017 5:23pm
  - RalphT
    
    I prayed to be relieved of my indigestion…
    
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    December 25, 2017 5:51pm
Left Right and Centre

This Dec 25 I realised that . . .

Santa can use either a ‘one horse open sleigh’.
*or*
A team of reindeer.
Or – I’ve got it totally wrong. Good – it’s all nonsense anyway.

I also met a true blue old kiwi woman that says again to sound like ‘a-geee-yennnnn’. And ‘Yeeyee-esssss’. A lady of few words – mostly due to each one lasting a minute each.
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December 25, 2017 5:20pm
Johnboy

Shit oh dear! The non-existent fiscal hole will become even deeper if a “Progressive government” gives in to all these greenie wish-list items.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100104111/government-asked-to-stump-up-200m-for-improvements-to-wellington-rail-network
LETS DO THIS! 🙂
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December 25, 2017 6:37pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  Other improvements being sought include adding an extra track between Trentham and Upper Hutt; installing a “turnback” point at Plimmerton Station so trains can stop there and turn back towards Wellington; and making the Johnsonville line a fourth main line into Wellington.
  
  You should dust off your gold card. Ride on the extra track to Upper Hutt, then back to Wellington for a ride on the Porirua line, but turning back at Plimmerton. And then a visit to Johnsonville for a cup of tea with Peter Dunne and his bowtie. Then back to your sanctuary in Wainuiomata so you can laugh at everyone who paid for your subsidised train fare. All in an afternoon, Johnboy? 🙂
  
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  December 25, 2017 6:52pm
Jack5

The Trumps attend Christmas eve service at Episcopalian church.

Did Jacinderella go to a church service today?

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/12/24/latest-trumps-attend-services-at-episcopal-church.html
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December 25, 2017 6:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 ,did you ? Was it the Temple of Saturn ?
  
  http://khs11cityofrome.weebly.com/uploads/1/7/8/9/17892787/2860186_orig.jpg
  
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  December 25, 2017 7:41pm
  - Jack5
    
    Mum Stephiestani:
    
    With the malls closed today, where did the young Stephiestanis go to perve?
    
    Did they go to the beach to watch the kafir girls – while the Stephiestani girls were swathed in burkinis?
    
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    December 25, 2017 8:27pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Jackie 5,
      
      “The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.”
      
      ― Harlan Ellison
      
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      December 25, 2017 8:38pm
- Paulus
  
  Surely once a Mormon always a Mormon even if she said she left because they did not like homosexual “marriages”.
  
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  December 26, 2017 9:08am
- ztev
  
  Trump at an Episcopalian church ?
  
  That must be new, is he religion shopping again
  
  Ivanka is catholic, a young Donny was raised in his Mums Prebyterian faith.
  Surely one of those US style Holy Rollers/Prosperity churches is now his style.
  But the ultra liberal Episcopalians ?
  
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  December 26, 2017 11:33am
Nostradamus

From Christmas Day 2006:

Steve (North Shore): I too wonder what ‘stupid boys’ are up to today. No Malls open to lurk around in perving. He’s probably hanging out at the gasy

Me: There’s no shortage of nice spots to hang out – Auckland Botanic Gardens and Auckland Domain for starters. Of course, it’s possible that Stephieboy has been helping out as a volunteer at the Auckland City Mission Christmas lunch. Not quite in the same league as Starbucks, but close enough.

Stephieboy: Not at all. Rather tipsy at the moment with plenty of doses of French bubbly plus the usual trimmings .Desert awaits till later in the evening.The City Mission is remote from my thoughts ,God forbid ! My wife is Asian and she is has an uncanny knack for producing traditional Anglo Saxon Christmas fare better than anyone else …Our cat Lu lu awaits expectantly for left overs but the Missus is strict in regard to these matters so the cat will have to depend on the usual boring pellets . Nosttadumus , yuletide blesssings before I tipsly fall over into a heap !

Merry Christmas everyone – yes, Stephieboy, you too!
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December 25, 2017 8:51pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Oops – that should be Christmas Day 2016.
  
  I’m not sure how many of us spent Christmas Day 2006 on Kiwiblog – there’s some weird technical issue with that webpage!
  
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  December 25, 2017 9:04pm
Digmen1

Yes I told one charity outfit that I would no longer buy their Christmas cards, as there was no Santa, or Snow etc on them.
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December 25, 2017 9:40pm
Digmen1

I see the Pope is at it again, grovelling to migrants!
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December 25, 2017 9:41pm
- ztev
  
  As long as he doesnt wash the feet of the poor- undeserving ones that is …bah humbug
  
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  December 26, 2017 11:31am
Viking2

Who is feed up with Maori having greater rights than Property owners?
People in the Hawkes Bay need you help.
https://www.change.org/p/hawkes-bay-regional-council-save-the-craggy-range-walking-track?recruiter=637472768&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_more.combo_new_control_progress_110217winners.nafta_milestone_share_ask_1.72_hour_ask&utm_term=share_page.nafta_milestone_share_ask_1.72_hour_ask

Save the Craggy Range walkway.
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December 25, 2017 9:44pm
Monique Watson

Yes it was a little early on the schedule. @Waikatogirl. And there was no talk of venison on the menu. The reindeer nosed me in the ass if I even looked at them askance. Santa and I got pissed on Whiskey and now unlike Santa I’m not fit to drive. I’m scrounging for a Marlboro. And that there is the Magic of Christmas
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December 25, 2017 9:47pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

Prince Harry has said that he doesn’t want the traditional fruitcake at his wedding.

Prince Philip has said he doesn’t care, he’s still going!
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December 25, 2017 10:00pm
Manolo

The Argentinian peronist drones on:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-laments-winds-war-blowing-around-world-113713632.html
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December 26, 2017 7:31am
Digmen1

I read that a refugee advocacy group are pleased that the COL are planing to double the refugee quota and improve access for the “families”

When will the leftie apologists ever give up.
They keep chpiping away at our society.

Its a never ending war.
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