General Debate 23 December 2017

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Colville

Sitting here at Akitio beach watching the boats launch… time for a second coffee.
I hope the water is a bit cleaner today…those crayfish need a warm bath. 🙂
Life is good.
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December 23, 2017 8:04am
- flipper
  
  Akitio…. Yep, great spot.
  Not a friendly boat launch near the fishing club, and I imagine not much flow from the river this year, but once away from the surf a marvellous, uncluttered coast awaits. Only one problem: the roads to Akitio could hardly be more protective of the destination.
  BTW …..crayfish mornay for Christmas lunch washed down with Pinot Gris sounds fine to me !! 🙂
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:41am
Kiwiladdy

The first fatality of the holiday road toll was caused by some idiot roaring up K-Road and probably running a red light.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11965108

Yet the police will use this to continue to justify their policy of sitting at the end of passing lanes pulling over drives doing 106 km/h.

First step to solving the road toll is admitting the real problems. Good drivers (and by that I mean good decision makers) exceeding the limit at appropriate times (like when passing another vehicle, or driving on a dead straight road with a median barrier) is not one of the problems. Yet this is what police officers and camera vans target.

When I was travelling up the northern motorway the other day I saw 3 cop cars and a camera van on the 4-lane motorway with median barrier and huge shoulder areas. Didn’t see any on the much more dangerous road heading north after the tunnels though.
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December 23, 2017 8:05am
- Longknives
  
  The problem with your ‘I’m a good driver so I should be allowed to drive as fast as I want’ is that everyone thinks they are a ‘good driver’.
  That includes kids from South Auckland, Boy Racers, Recividist Drunk Drivers etc etc
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:09am
  - Biscuit
    
    Longknives. my better half never claims to be ‘a good driver’…
    
    She’s no DANGER or anything (now…) but she knows that I know that her Dad gave me his blessing to erm ‘stay awake with her’ when I said I would teach her to drive.
    
    Until then, he had been attempting that … and she had DEMOLISHED a pole holding his carport up. Whilst he was in the passenger seat. In HIS car, ha…
    
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    December 23, 2017 8:13am
  - Kiwiladdy
    
    I edited in an extra paragraph to my original comment:
    
    When I was travelling up the northern motorway the other day I saw 3 cop cars and a camera van on the 4-lane motorway with median barrier and huge shoulder areas. Didn’t see any on the much more dangerous road heading north after the tunnels though.
    
    “Good driver” might not be the best word but cops need to target idiots. I drive up the country numerous times a year and it’s always the same plonkers usually in unkept vans or 4WDs making dangerous decisions.
    
    Speed isn’t inherently dangerous. Bad decision making is.
    
    At the same time they need to target poor drivers who are driving slowly and generally frustrating others.
    
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    December 23, 2017 8:13am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “Speed isn’t inherently dangerous. Bad decision making is.”
      
      And in Defensive Driving you must always assume that someone else *will* make a bad decision.
      
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      December 23, 2017 9:35am
    - Liberty
      
      “At the same time they need to target poor drivers who are driving slowly and generally frustrating others.”
      
      Correct slow drivers that fail to pull over. And Fuckwits that drive to close. Then pass at the worst place they can find. Are the problem.
      On the open highway well spaced cars traveling at 102 kph are not a problem.
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:13am
- Disaster Area
  
  And now we begin the Kiwi holiday tradition of suddenly realising that the speed limit is 100 kmh and can be legally enforced.
  
  Don’t want a ticket? Slow down a bit.
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:10am
  - holysheet
    
    Traveling on the Waikato expressway yesterday at 110 kph, the legal speed for that road. Up ahead was a car in the right lane doing 90. Just would not shift over no matter what cars behind it did.
    Every one was passing it on the left, including me. Looked at the driver as I passed and it was a woman of Asian descent.
    What is wrong with them?
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:08am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I think there was actually some research on immigrants and driving a while back. There were some differences for a number of immigrants (Asian and European): not learning early in life as most Kiwis do, because of public transport in big cities, also something about many lanes and you stuck to your lane, with far fewer lane switches as we’re constantly doing.
      
      In many European countries the lanes have a specific speed limit. If you want to drive slowly, you stick to your lane. I remember hitchhiking in Austria. The guy drove his Merc in the farthest lane, 130Km, blasting loud music. It was great fun, and I felt totally safe, because there were very few lane switches.
      
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      December 23, 2017 9:41am
      - waikatogirl
        
        ClassicLib: In many European countries the lanes have a specific speed limit. If you want to drive slowly, you stick to your lane.
        
        Yes, it’s the left-hand lane in NZ. Driving slowly, keep left. Not difficult to remember.
        Perhaps driver education ads to inform drivers of basic road safety requirements instead of always targeting speed as the culprit.
        
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        December 23, 2017 11:49am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        ” In many European countries the lanes have a specific speed limit.”
        
        That’s what I meant. It’s marked on those lanes. Our rules aren’t as clear.
        
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        December 23, 2017 12:21pm
      - MH
        
        in china the right hand lane is the slow lane, but with a few flashes of your headlights they still won’t move left or wonder why they get the look.
        
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        December 24, 2017 11:38am
    - Komata
      
      HS
      
      As a corollary to that, same expressway (on Thursday), I was running at 110 km/h as per the signs and being passed by EVERYTHING on the road (even loaded trucks), when a small black Japanese coupe came past. As a rough estimate he was doing at least 180 km/h MINIMUM; a case of ‘Now you see him, now you don’t’; I hope that it got to wherever it was going safely. Typically , not a copper anywhere in sight…
      
      And my point?: That despite what the AA and its ilk might say, there will ALWAYS be someone who is determined to go faster than the ‘law-abiding’ driver, and that the safety factor inherent in 100 km/h is inevitably whittled away as the speed increases (especially on wet days). The AA of course, sees that there is no problem and seems to believe that ‘all drivers are of equal ability’; despite evidence to the contrary.
      
      Higher speeds do not generate greater safety, and even the Autobahnen, held up as being the ultimate examples of ‘safe’ high speed driving, have been known to have had ‘interesting’ ‘close-encounters’ between vehicles travelling along them..
      
      There is also the small matter of increased fuel consumption which is inherent with higher speeds, although noticeably the AA is very quiet on that specific subject.
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:27am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Agree, except for – “There is also the small matter of increased fuel consumption which is inherent with higher speeds”
        
        My car is most economical at speeds between 100 kmph and 140 kmph.
        
        And how do I know that? 😉
        
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        December 23, 2017 12:06pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        My Audi does 280+kph…how do I know that?
        
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        December 23, 2017 12:12pm
  - Disaster Area
    
    Thirteen down ticks (and counting) on KiwiBlog for suggesting that people obey the law?!
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:30am
    - realityczech
      
      The down ticks are for being an authoritarian arsehole who ignores real data and parrots the line of the pigs to justify revenue gathering.
      
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      December 23, 2017 9:52am
  - realityczech
    
    Disaster Area, is one of those smug wankers who crawls along at 65 in a 100k zone with a giant line of cars behind him, getting off on the fact everyone is waiting on him. His kind should be kicked to death on the road side and left to rot.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:54am
    - Lance
      
      Nurse…. meds… quickly
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:37am
    - doggone7
      
      Yeah, get Disaster Area off the road for doing only 100kph in the 100 zone. It’s people like him who are a scourge on our country. Ruining the place.
      The type who want people not driving as fast as they want being kicked to death and left on the side of the road to rot are exactly the civilised types we need more of. Bloody hell.
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:56am
    - Jack5
      
      Kearealityczech posts:”…His kind should be kicked to death on the road side and left to rot…”
      
      Hungry for a bit of road kill are you, old bird?
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:17am
    - GazzaW
      
      …….ooh. Subject to periodic bouts of road rage RC?
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:45am
    - Disaster Area
      
      I would like to say that I have just spent the last week having a blast around the South Island on my motorbike, and, at times, my speed may have crept up over the legal limit. Had I got a ticket, then there would have been nobody to blame but myself – I know the limit, I know the consequences.
      
      I would also like to mention that since passing my bike test in about 1997 I have done 5 or 6 different advanced riding courses to keep my skills sharp so I would like to think that I am actually above average when it comes to road sense.
      
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      December 23, 2017 1:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        Most accidents are not caused by speed. No reputable study supports the view of the NZ Police. Boot licking authority figures does not save lives either.
        
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        December 23, 2017 1:57pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        Most accidents are not caused by speed
        
        I disagree. Every collision is caused by one or more vehicle not being able to stop in time.
        
        Tyres, brakes and the road surface have a maximum rate at which they can stop a vehicle. If the gap is smaller than the stopping distance at that speed, there will be a collision. The slower the speed, the less distance needed to stop, the less chance of a collision.
        
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        December 23, 2017 2:15pm
  - Bykmad
    
    95 k’s to 105 k’s no problem. Someone driving at 75 k’s in a 100 k zone and then speeding up to 120 in passing lanes is piss poor driving. Passing in dangerous situations is piss poor driving. The problem is that the common sense gene seems to have been removed and it has an effect in every facet of our lives. I quote Forrest Gump. Stupid is as stupid does. The effect is that innocent law abiding families suffer the results of the STUPIDITY of others. It is what happens when there are no real consequences for stupid actions. As for the 4 kmh “tolerance’, worn tyres (not bald, but legal worn tyres) effect the car speedometer, so who knows exactly what speed you are actually doing. I use a GPS to monitor speed, not the speedometer. Much more accurate, BUT, Speed is not the problem. Stupidity is and try as you might, you cannot legislate foe stupidity.
    
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    December 23, 2017 8:42pm
- ztev
  
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  Why was there a reduction of 116 in the staff of the Police Road traffic branch in the previous year ?
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:04am
  - Rich Prick
    
    We have no idea, but we suspect you’re itching to reveal something truely ghastly about the last Government. Clutch your pearls folks.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:10am
    - ztev
      
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      Decisions have consequences
      
      John Key spent 6 plus years blaming everything on the last government.
      get used to it
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:29am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        His entire term actually.
        He never admitted ever that he might have been wrong.
        A fucking coward and a bully if there ever was one.
        
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        December 23, 2017 11:45am
      - sooty
        
        Unlike you.
        
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        December 23, 2017 12:12pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        I’m lovely.
        
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        December 23, 2017 12:24pm
  - softail 1450
    
    zitt,,,,FFS.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:11am
  - GazzaW
    
    Who fucking cares ztev? You’re only here to make trouble.
    
    New Year resolution for KBers – totally ignore the prick, don’t even give him the acknowledgement of a downtick. Same treatment for the stephieteam.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:40am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      bahahaaaaaa.
      You fucking idiot child.
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:47am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Slow day in the park?
        
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        December 23, 2017 12:34pm
  - Prince
    
    Probably because the stats show it was not doing its job. Labour will double its budget, hold their breath and hope like hell.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:33am
    - ztev
      
      Yeh , the stats have shown the road toll has risen sharply over the last few years, but let the truth get in the way of your nonsense
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:13am
      - holysheet
        
        It’s trending to be the worst in quite a while.
        Oops, I’m sorry.
        I was talking about the road toll, but it can also be about this clusterfuck of a govt. Since being selected by the drunken dwarf, everything has gone to shit. Nice one, you silly senile old prick.
        
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        December 23, 2017 11:43am
      - Prince
        
        Exactly. If what you are doing is not working, try something different. Don’t just pour more money into your failing strategy.
        
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        December 23, 2017 10:01pm
oldpark

Some special thoughts at Christmas for two of NZs self serving Politicians.
Firstly for the two faced Bastard Peters who “Selected “NZs present Government.
Secondly for the wee School girl type PM, better known in Europe as the “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern from NZ.
Collectively putting the NZs once rockstar economy in a potential precarious position. Also the complete betrayal by Peters and Ardern for putting the boot into the USA a Sovereign Nation ,on their decision to open their Embassy in Jerusalem.
To both of them at Christmas time and their we know best what is good for the nation of NZ and their citizens.
Think again Peters and Ardern “Bah Humbug”.
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December 23, 2017 8:14am
- ztev
  
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  Loser …get off the stage
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:04am
  - VicParking
    
    Talking to yourself again ztev.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:12am
    - stephieboy
      
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      No . Defintely talking about you . Now you can try and descend and come out of orbit post 23/09/17.
      
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      December 23, 2017 9:19am
      - oldpark
        
        Stephie/girl/Boy can you confirm that your mate Mohammed married a nine year old girl .Hope not.
        
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        December 23, 2017 9:24am
      - thedavincimode
        
        oldpark, mohammed swore she didn’t look a day under eleven.
        
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        December 23, 2017 9:54am
      - realityczech
        
        This is because Islam is based on Judaism. Enough from me, lets hear it straight from Jewish authorities….
        
        The minimum age for marriage under Jewish law is 13 for boys, 12 for girls; however, the kiddushin can take place before that, and often did in medieval times.
        
        http://www.jewfaq.org/marriage.htm
        
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        December 23, 2017 9:57am
  - Paulus
    
    Waiting for you to go off first, loser
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:18am
  - oldpark
    
    Ztev
    Cranky.Nasty,Senile. Thats You. a suspected kiddie fiddler, let loose from Jail.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:22am
    - sam green
      
      Fuck you’re a wanker oldpark. Disagreeing with a person is one thing – personal slurs of that nature is fucked up.
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:26am
      - dime
        
        meh its a made up name. who knows with the sort of nutjob he is.
        
        normally they are victims of abuse when they go that far left. continuing the cycle and all that.
        
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        December 23, 2017 10:33am
      - oldpark
        
        sam green.
        I take it URI Two! A mate of Ztev. Figures.What part of the kiddie fiddler claim for your mate,do you not like.
        
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        December 23, 2017 11:27am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        It’s usually the accusers that protests to much.
        
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        December 23, 2017 11:49am
- Liberty
  
  When you think of the latest conspiracy theories on the doddery old fool.
  He may have been in one of his confused moments and rang the wrong number.
  
  Thank God for that.
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:27am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Agreed but who amongst us in Jacinda’s position would have said, ‘no thanks, I am not up to the job?’
  
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  December 23, 2017 5:36pm
Chuck Bird

This will be interesting. I do not think compo should be an exact formula. There are a lot of other factors. For example the criminal record of the wrongly convicted and if the police acted improperly.

Imprisoned as a teen, Tyson Redman stands to win $350,000 for 2 1/2 years in jail

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11963228
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December 23, 2017 8:14am
- Dave Mann
  
  ‘Evidence emerged’ proving he wasn’t at the party…???
  
  Surely this is what the defence lawyers and the trial process are for; to get to the truth.
  
  I’d like to hear more about this so-called ‘evidence’ that has ’emerged’ six years later frankly, before he is given hundred$ of thousand$ of our money.
  
  Just saying…
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:24am
  - sooty
    
    Jail house snitch?
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:56am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Oh wait. Gang members fighting at a party. All with conflicting stories. Some say they drove the prick home (while they were all drunk)… yeah, right, lets give him $350,000…
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:01am
- realityczech
  
  The pigs who lied in Court should be placed on trial and dragged screaming in front of a firing squad.
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:00am
  - Lance
    
    NURSE… quickly now
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:40am
  - G152
    
    They should be the ones paying the compensation
    
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    December 23, 2017 11:04am
Longknives

How refreshing seeing National Party MPs wearing Santa Hats, Singing songs and wishing people a ‘Merry Christmas’ on their Facebook Page.
Have a look on Labour’s Page and see if anyone dares mention the word ‘Christmas’- Wouldn’t want to offend their beloved Islamic Community you see..

Good on Ya National!
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December 23, 2017 8:14am
- Paulus
  
  Labour’s Grinches – they, via Winston Peters, won the baubles so what gives – they have the Foreman’s jobs at last -the salaries not earned, the cars, the perks, and the swagger already.
  How very sad for our Country.
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:23am
- Kimbo
  
  Have a look on Labour’s Page and see if anyone dares mention the word ‘Christmas’- Wouldn’t want to offend their beloved Islamic Community you see..
  
  You do know some Jews object to the greeting “Merry Christmas”? Happy Hanukkah, btw. 😉
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUCNAnp2QAI
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:34am
  - dime
    
    they can get fucked too.
    
    what kind of loser gets offended by merry christmas?
    
    dime does not like muslims at all but ramadan or whatever its called doesnt offend me.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:34am
    - Kimbo
      
      what kind of loser gets offended by merry christmas?
      
      Maybe it was this:
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS9UWeoq7WA
      
      “He (your father) was a Roman. Brian. He was a centurion in the Roman army”
      
      “You mean you were raped?”
      
      “Ahhh, at first, yes…”
      
      … “I’m not a Roman, mum, I’m a kike, a yid, a heebie, a hook-nose, I’m kosher mum, I’m a Red Sea pedestrian, and proud of it!”
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:41am
  - Lance
    
    None of the Jews I know care about such inanities, only the lemon-suckers would.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:42am
    - realityczech
      
      None of the Muslims I know care about such inanities, only the lemon-suckers would.
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:44am
- Longknives
  
  Over at the Standard they have written a post suggesting we ban Christmas and celebrate ‘Matariki’ instead..
  I rest my case.
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:19am
  - sam green
    
    Ardern wished everyone a merry Christmas on the Labour page. I think you’re telling porkies. Merry Christmas and happy Hanukkah to you (although that’s finished now). I’d wish you a happy Eid too but that was back in September.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:32am
    - kaykaybee
      
      About as interested in Eid as flying to the moon.
      
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      December 23, 2017 5:40pm
      - sam green
        
        See ya.
        
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        December 23, 2017 10:51pm
      - JasonJohns
        
        Gold is an illusion, like diamonds. Diamonds are not even semi-precious stones, as common as coal, used mostly for making jewelry. But diamond merchants have a monopoly on the market, which they bought and paid for by bribing politicians to criminalize the competition. It’s the same with gold, and pharmaceuticals for that matter.
        
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        December 23, 2017 11:20pm
- ztev
  
  https://www.national.org.nz/beginning_of_eid
  
  Dont want to offend their beloved islamic community
  “Eid also gives all New Zealanders opportunity to acknowledge the valuable contribution the Muslim community makes to our nation’s religious, cultural and ethnic landscape,” Ms Collins says.
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:35am
  - Jack5
    
    Collins was the Minister for Ethnic Communities. She couldn’t have got away with saying anything less.
    
    But it’s the Melon Greens who are pushing to open the borders wider to Muslim “refugees”.
    
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    December 23, 2017 8:11pm
- Disaster Area
  
  There is one – put up on 21st December.
  
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  December 23, 2017 1:56pm
Manolo

They want peace, don’t they?
Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar called on Thursday for a “day of blood” in the West Bank, following the UN General Assembly vote on a resolution slamming US President Donald Trump’s decision to recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital.
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December 23, 2017 8:16am
- Paulus
  
  What a load of bollocks – there has never and will never be an agreement in Israel/Gaza as the only condition under which the people of Trans Jordan want is the total destruction of the State of Israel.
  Bush, Clinton and Obama said that Jerusalem was the Capital of Israel – it is only different when Trump says it.
  More Muslim PR Crap.
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:27am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    “More Muslim PR Crap.”
    
    Eaten greedily by our sad, pathetic media :(.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:20am
  - realityczech
    
    “only condition under which the people of Trans Jordan want is the total destruction of the State of Israel.”
    
    Sources for that absurd claim ?
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:03am
- Scott
  
  Can I just say that I hate that we voted to condemn the United States when it recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Why get involved? Why needlessly upset the USA?
  NZers seem to love poking America in the eye. Why? Are we children that we cannot respect a great power that let’s be honest saved our arse in world War 2?
  
  This Labour coalition after upsetting Australia over refugees appears determined to upset as many of our allies as possible.
  
  Can we please have some adults in charge of our government?
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:04am
  - VicParking
    
    “NZers seem to love poking America in the eye. ”
    No NZ Snowflakes, socialists and tooth fairies love to poke everyone in the eye.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Like the Aussies we could well have abstained with no pressures anywhere.
    But Gobby has to open her huge trap and dribble to set herself up for a job in the UN – which she will not get.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:21am
    - artemisia
      
      Ms Ardern probably will get a UN job. Sadly for her it will be in their new HQ. In Yemen.
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:37am
  - Kimbo
    
    Can I just say that I hate that we voted to condemn the United States when it recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. Why get involved? Why needlessly upset the USA?
    NZers seem to love poking America in the eye. Why? Are we children that we cannot respect a great power that let’s be honest saved our arse in world War 2?
    
    Um, no. We should always remain grateful to US action in the Pacific in WWII, but that conflict was about nations having the right to set their own course, and not have some overlord dictate to small nations.
    
    Plus it is not an “anti-US” vote. We are a sovereign nation keeping step with our long-standing policy (since 1947!) of a two-state solution. Based on your cowardly (yes, I chose that word carefully) rationale, we had no right to pass our anti-ships legislation.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:40am
    - Victor Omega
      
      Perhaps only the people who matter view it as an anti-US move.
      
      https://youtu.be/ko_KRG0riT4
      
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      December 23, 2017 9:57am
      - Kimbo
        
        Then, like our anti-nuclear policy of the 1980s- which was anti-nuclear, not anti-US or anti-ANZUS, that’s their problem/mistaken interpretation, not ours.
        
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        December 23, 2017 10:01am
      - Victor Omega
        
        That was our business.
        
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        December 23, 2017 10:04am
      - Kimbo
        
        So is this. And has been ever since 1947 when we voted for the two state solution.
        
        Or is the Trump administration (and I’ve held back on the boring anti-Trump rhetoric since his election, keeping an open mind on his performance) now of the attitude that adults cannot disagree and remain…good friends? If so, who the hell wants to have that sort of friend, at least during the tenure of the current POTUS?!
        
        Bottomline: as per the experience in Vietnam, the US will support, and also withdraw support from other nations as it suits their interests. All the more reason why we should value them as a friend, but also work to strengthen multilateral security. Which we have always done in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We are the ones keeping step, they are not.
        
        Unless Trump now values sycophants rather than good friends who speak their minds…
        
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        December 23, 2017 10:07am
      - Victor Omega
        
        Where a superpower chooses to put its embassy is about as much our business as how our neighbours handle refugees. We could and should have joined with them and abstained. New Zealanders can be such funny little chest beaters, what a waste of energy.
        The only good thing that might come out of this is the downfall of the U.N.
        
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        December 23, 2017 10:22am
      - ztev
        
        Trumps downfall is closer, as its his aides who are being ‘locked up’
        
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        December 23, 2017 10:37am
      - Kimbo
        
        Where a superpower chooses to put its embassy is about as much our business as how our neighbours handle refugees.
        
        Not when it is in defiance of post-1945 international convention. As per the preamble to the draft resolution:
        
        Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations, and reaffirming, inter alia, the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force,
        
        Bearing in mind the specific status of the Holy City of Jerusalem and, in particular, the need for the protection and preservation of the unique spiritual, religious and cultural dimensions of the city, as foreseen in relevant United Nations resolutions,
        
        Stressing that Jerusalem is a final status issue to be resolved through negotiations in line with relevant United Nations resolutions,…
        
        https://yournz.org/2017/12/23/reaction-to-the-un-vote-on-the-us-and-jerusalem/
        
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        December 23, 2017 10:50am
      - Victor Omega
        
        Kimbo, you seem to hold the U.N. in high regard. I don’t, so we’re not going to agree on anything. You’re quoting bible verses to an atheist.
        The U.N. is rotten to the core, full of fraud, corruption and greed. Infested with comsymps who used the U.N. general assembly to hold a moment of silence for human rights monsters the likes of Kim Jong and Fidel Castro. The only reason the US has put up with it for so long is so they can use their veto.
        NZ joined forces with some of the worst in the world, terrorists, communists and human rights abusers. Then, surrounded by these bastions of morality we extended our middle finger to one of our close allies. My view is that there’s no way you can take the moral high ground and spin this as a good thing for NZ. End of story.
        
        zithead: you are an annoying little threadjacker aren’t you. Stay on the short bus you contemptuous fool, I’m having a respectful chat with Kimbo and this ain’t your stop.
        
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        December 23, 2017 11:48am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Victor Omega
        
        Kimbo, you seem to hold the U.N. in high regard.
        
        Not especially, no. But it is better than the law of the jungle that used to prevail pre-1945. Ultimately it is up to all nations, individually and collectively, to make the UN work. And at times it has, such as in Korea in 1950, and in Kuwait in 1991.
        
        So, if annexation by conquest, stealth and increment is now something that no longer applies, then it applies to all states, including Israel. For her legitimate security needs, she is entitled to occupy Jerusalem and the West Bank, perhaps indefinitely. But pending a negotiated settlement they are not hers to incorporate into her national territory. Hence
        
        My view is that there’s no way you can take the moral high ground and spin this as a good thing for NZ.
        
        Keeping faith with our long-standing policies that have applied since 1947 and 1967 respectively seems both moral, and credible.
        
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        December 23, 2017 1:18pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Victor Omega
        
        End of story.
        
        That the current POTUS doesn’t like our policies isn’t that much of a concern. Presidents come and go…
        
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        December 23, 2017 1:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Not when it is in defiance of post-1945 international convention. As per the preamble to the draft resolution:”
        
        Bimbo you verbose jackass, Israel is in breach of so many conventions and laws that fussing over the location of an office block is just silly.
        
        The bigger issue needs to be resolved and good luck figuring that one out !
        
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        December 23, 2017 1:23pm
  - realityczech
    
    When NZ indicated it would not vote to support Israel’s illegal invasions they said it was a DECLARATION OF WAR.
    
    The contempt with which the Jew regards the goyim is beyond imagining, but that is a pretty good insight. They are a cult based on hate, lies and death.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:11am
  - Komata
    
    Scott
    
    Re: ‘NZers seem to love poking America in the eye’
    
    Actually No. NEW ZEALANDERS don’t, BUT Communists / Socialists (as exemplified by Ms Ardern) DO, since the USA represents everything they can never be; successful, peaceful, and capitalistic in outlook; a place where (at least in theory) every man can be as good as anyone else and can success by their own efforts. In essence the socialists reaction is based on envy and jealousy, and the premise that since they can’t have the ‘good things’ no-one else will be able to have them either. If they can ‘stick it to the (American) man’ they will by any means possible. This latest little episode is merely one in a long line. Sadly, such things are likely to continue until such time as the COL finally departs.
    
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    December 23, 2017 11:41am
    - Disaster Area
      
      I am as big a fan of the US as anyone – I have spent time there and loved the country and the people, but I would hardly describe them as ‘peaceful’ – especially since they invaded Vietnam, Korea, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan etc… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States#20th_century_wars
      
      Mind you, being British I don’t exactly hold the moral high ground…
      
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      December 23, 2017 2:03pm
      - realityczech
        
        “being British I don’t exactly hold the moral high ground”
        
        Classic Brit understatement there 🙂
        
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        December 23, 2017 2:07pm
  - SPC
    
    It is not adult to kowtow to a bully, it is childish pandering.
    
    I would have thought that the NATO allies of the USA did it far better – poking the US in the eye – than a former member of ANZUS.
    
    And unlike those nations we provide something of value – spy bases. So we can poke them all we want.
    
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    December 23, 2017 4:54pm
Nukuleka

All gone quiet in the MSM on the Melbourne ‘incident’ where a poor mentally unstable chap, a victim of an uncaring healthcare system, was obliged to mow down 19 people in order to draw attention to his sad plight. Those 19 had probably been a bit mean about Muslims in any case- and if it wasn’t them who were mean then let it be a lesson to the other nasty buggers who were.
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December 23, 2017 8:19am
- Digmen1
  
  We need a bit of the old Roman Decimation.
  
  For every one of us (decent white christian, non muslim people) the kill or injure in our countries, we do the same to ten of them (in our countries)
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:34am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I know you’re not serious, but are you actually trying to get this blog a bad reputation?
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:22am
  - G152
    
    Be better if we started doing that in their countries.
    Never know, the muslims might learn and become proto human
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:37am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Yesterday we had a robust chat about blog censorship.
    
    Nukuleka called ‘Morrissey, ztev and stiffie’ ‘the three-headed hydra intent on being a wreckingball on Kiwiblog.’
    
    I think people suggesting violence are really most likely to be that wrecking ball. I’m not suggesting censorship, but if you really care about this blog, how about some self-control, Digmen?
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:10am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      PS, Digmen, you do know that the internet isn’t really anonymous, right? If there was violence against muslims in NZ, the Police/Military would be searching you out. They don’t just laugh at ‘jokes’ about committing violence if that violence then happens.
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:22am
  - stephieboy
    
    Digmen1 , “decent white christian”
    
    You ? Joking aside !
    
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    December 23, 2017 1:22pm
  - realityczech
    
    We need a bit of the old Roman Decimation.
    
    For every one of us (decent white christian, non ~~muslim~~ Jewish people) the kill or injure in our countries, we do the same to ten of them (in our countries)
    
    Diggy, we have heard that line some place before:
    
    “Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another… while the
    enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve.”
    
    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309]
    
    “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”
    
    [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]
    
    “Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be
    wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in
    a fanatical outlook.”
    
    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, p. 171]
    
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    December 23, 2017 1:28pm
    - realityczech
      
      Oh and I think the ratio is about 250,ooo Muslims to every 1 of us about now. Obama dropped over 26,000 bombs last year alone and Trump is on track to up that. Not one of the victim countries has attack the West.
      
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      December 23, 2017 1:31pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Indeed Nukuleka. Do state premiers normally condemn the actions of mentally ill people as evil? Do the Counter Terrorism Command usually investigate incidents involving the mentally ill? Something seems amiss here….
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:35am
- EAD_TWO
  
  All gone quiet in the MSM on the Melbourne ‘incident’ where a poor mentally unstable chap
  
  Probably because the crime (attempted mass murder) was quite minor compared to other crimes…..
  
  If however he parked his car carefully on the side of the road, got out and ~~called people names~~ “racially abused” somebody in a “hate crime”, it’d be front page news for days.
  
  The Australian equivalent of Susan Devoy would be on his case for weeks telling Australians that they’ve got a “hate” problem.
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:40am
- Harriet
  
  Funny how mental health issues are a good excuse for terrorists but not for grabbing someone’s arse.
  
  Drugs? – I know drugs are quite specific these days in the jobs that they do, but drugs that make bearded men crash cars into white people?
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:40am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Harriet , but not the case this fellow ,
    
    http://nnimgt-a.akamaihd.net/transform/v1/crop/frm/silverstone-feed-data/dba6782a-643d-45f0-8e71-fedce6481e55.jpg/r0_0_729_409_w1200_h678_fmax.jpg
    
    20/1/17
    
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    December 23, 2017 8:58am
  - Brito
    
    Ok, here’s my last word on this before I disappear into another bottle of wine and start agreeing with those that need a good spanking.
    
    Stop calling these fuckers terrorists. They are, and have always been, your ordinary garden variety murderer.
    
    They like to be called terrorists. It gives them a warm, sticky feeling…or is that their head parting company with their shoulders when they release the detonator.
    
    Ok? Murderers!
    
    Even RC, spam green, zit and splooooooge would agree with that. Splooooge would probably want a goat.
    
    And it’s good night from him…
    
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    December 23, 2017 4:46pm
    - sam green
      
      Yup. I agree with you Brito. Enjoy the wine.
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:30pm
- Scott
  
  The funny thing is that police say they are searching for a motive for the attack? Apparently he is mumbling about God and the mistreatment of Muslims. Why would that be? Could he be a Muslim terrorist?
  No no no, we must exclude that possibility at all costs!
  
  It’s just bizarre the mental contortions the media goes through to avoid telling us the truth. This man is a Muslim terrorist who deliberately ran down as many people as possible. This man from Afghanistan who became an Australian citizen, thanks his new country by running down as many of its citizens as possible.
  Muslims, if you hate the west so much then don’t come here! Stay where you are.
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:53am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Scoot , correct me if I’m wrong but weren’t you attempting to describe Dimitrious ” Jimmy ” Gargasolous the same earlier in the year .
    
    The Victorian police are obviously much more informed than your pathetic attempts tp push Trumpland paranoia and hysteria .
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:03am
    - Scott
      
      Not me stephieboy. I would say that Muslim terrorists are going to have to lift their game. It appears that unless they drape themselves in an Isis flag and loudly shout Allah akbar as they commit their murderous deeds they will not be recognised as Muslim terrorists but instead confined to the ranks of the mentally ill!
      
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      December 23, 2017 9:08am
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        Scott , write a letter of complaint to the Commissioner of Victorian Police espousing you paranoid Trumpland ga ga !
        
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        December 23, 2017 9:24am
      - Victor Omega
        
        Allahu-Akbar has been cleansed by the media too. They shout “‘God is great’ in Arabic” now.
        
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        December 23, 2017 9:28am
    - VicParking
      
      Stephie go make to your goat its missing you
      
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      December 23, 2017 9:18am
Paulus Gnome

Cribbed from a WO contributor on why Europe should wind its collective head in over the Brexit payments and remember their history.

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/01cc44ffd230ebb56dac82d8668d292c9825d7425e1ead83a699f708a01c5a6c.jpg
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December 23, 2017 8:19am
- Digmen1
  
  That was well said.
  
  If I was Britain, I just say, we are leaving, and that’s it.
  Just pay the usual payments until the day the leave.
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:36am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    My thoughts are the next time Germany has expansion plans, the poms, of whom I am one, let them have the bastards.
    
    I can guarantee they will be begging everyone to take the duplicitous cheese eating surrender monkey’s off their hands after a week.
    
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    December 23, 2017 8:57am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Finished splitting your spleen ? If so move one . There wont be a WW3 between Britain and Germany in the foreseeable future .
      
      Fixed for yah !
      
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      December 23, 2017 9:06am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        That’s exactly what was said in 1918, and yet . . . . . .
        
        F all of a fix there but thanks for the try.
        
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        December 23, 2017 9:14am
      - VicParking
        
        Ba Ba daddy I miss yoy
        
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        December 23, 2017 9:19am
Chuck Bird

FYI

Arabs commit 75% of Berlin’s crimes

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2017/12/22/arabs-commit-75-of-berlins-crimes/
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December 23, 2017 8:20am
- Longknives
  
  Only 75%??
  Berlin used to be a beautiful city! Jesus it’s a shame what Europe has done to itself…
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:23am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Longknives , rest assured the Apollo Moon landings were real !
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:09am
    - Nermal
      
      You really believe that’s just a moon up there?
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:24am
    - Lance
      
      Final proof stephieboy is a complete headcase
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:50am
- Digmen1
  
  That’s so sad and bad at the same time.
  
  I cant understand why the German let this happen. Its a wonder none has assassinated Merkel.
  
  Why do they vote in such left wing namby pamby white feral aplogist snowflakes?
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:39am
  - All_on_Red
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRlNxQxWsAA1yPV?format=jpg&name=900×900
    
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    December 23, 2017 8:42am
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Wed ,
      
      “What do you expect from Trump la la Land !”
      
      Feel you are on the outer and in permanent orbit post 23/09/17
      
      LOL
      
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      December 23, 2017 9:10am
  - Komata
    
    Digmen1
    
    Re: ‘Why do they vote in such left wing namby pamby white feral aplogist snowflakes?’
    
    Why? Because the electoral system was rigged by the allies (the ones who won the conflict in Europe) after WWII to ensure that no one party would ever have enough power to govern alone.
    
    You might actually be familiar with the system that resulted: it’s called MMP.
    
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    December 23, 2017 11:47am
- stephieboy
  
  Chuckbird , “Fellowship of Dead minds” when your link dishes up this kind of utter bollux ,
  
  https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/sandy-hook-massacre/
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:08am
- doggone7
  
  “Fellowship of the Minds is an admitted conservative news and opinion website. In reality this is actually an extreme right conspiracy website…”
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:03am
Monique Watson

The Russians are in. China too.
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December 23, 2017 8:25am
Viking2

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of cunts.

Karma.
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December 23, 2017 8:26am
- Classic Liberal
  
  German Jews being attacked again? Young (and even older) women raped, murdered? Young German men beaten up, even murdered?
  
  AND Merkel trying to spread this throughout Europe.
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:31am
oldpark

Depicting the Fairy Dust/ Fairytale of New Zealand/ and the Fairytale of New York .As sung by the Pogues. Main characters could be Two faced Bastard Peters and “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern.Just saying.
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December 23, 2017 8:34am
Awww C-mon

Merry Christmas All,

I have one son home this morning and the other is on the bad from Wellington and will be here later,
I am working/on call through the break so it will be quiet yet pleasant with the kids (and their mates) here and at the beach.

Despite our collective frustrations and disappointment at things political and ‘news-worthy’ over the year I for one am grateful that my family are generally well, are mostly here and we have plenty to celebrate.

Have a good one y’all
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December 23, 2017 8:36am
- sam green
  
  Merry Christmas Awww.
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:32pm
Jack5

If Muldoon hadn’t torpedoed Labour’s super scheme, NZ would now be the economic Switzerland of the South Pacific, writes Brian Gaynor in the Hooerald.

He’s right. The bright small countries have booming sovereign funds, which is what national super. is. Muldoon saw it as socialism. It’s really state capitalism that makes economies like China’s and Singapore’s fly.

Good article, Mr Gaynor:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10465138
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December 23, 2017 8:39am
- Paulus
  
  And the Fund would own everything in the Country and if anything wet wrong commercially say, then the Government as the largest shareholder would have to take over.
  We would all have become Public Servants
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:24am
  - Kimbo
    
    Ah, a trip down memory lane! 😉
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEuFtVf6oSw
    
    Joking aside, that third Labour Government was talking about using the funds for “regional development” and “funding projects banks don’t”. Um, yeah, there was a reason for that – because they were likely money losers!! 😉 But those who are impressed by the Labour scheme are still to be found, hence the continued political life of Winston Peters.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:55am
    - KevOB
      
      The funds are great for public development provided the economy can sustain it. NZ could not previously until the dollar was floated and “Think Big” had kicked in.
      Contributions are in NZ$ and so will the payout be. In the middle can be a big exchange risk. Ultimately super investments cannot expect to yield more than the NZ economy over time. And any super fund has a duty not to attempt to run the economy –that’s the governments right.
      The placement of funds thoughout NZ in diverse projects is proper and beneficial. Some will lose and other will gain beyond expectation but they will fund the nations development. Money can be placed with government subject to budget. but the wider the spread the better. A revenue earning airport extension is an example. Ultimately they will own a great deal but the government must remain in charge.
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:55am
      - Kimbo
        
        Ultimately they will own a great deal but the government must remain in charge.
        
        And right there is where your problem is. Governments don’t exist in the first instance to run businesses like airports, and, in the main, they do a poor and less profitable job of it compared to the private sector – as long as it is left to its devices and faced the consequences, good and bad. Too many instances of “privatise the profits, socialise the losses”! 😉
        
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        December 23, 2017 1:25pm
  - Jack5
    
    Countries that have similar sovereign funds to our Super Fund include Norway. The canny Norwegians have stored much of their oil wealth in their fund that its assets are now upwards of $NZ1.4 trillion.
    
    China has a number of sovereign funds. The biggest, China Investment Corporation, has income from its investments of around $NZ100 billion a year.
    
    Singapore’s Temasek Holdings has assets of round $NZ290 billion.
    
    In a country with a low savings level, like NZ, a national super fund, which is a sovereign fund, is excellent for the economy in the long term.
    
    The best performing economies have them.
    
    One stand-out has been Switzerland. It has been discusssing whether to set up a sovereign fund with the $NZ1 trillion or so of cash, stock and bonds built up by its central bank.
    
    NZ’s economy isn’t among the greats, especially if you consider it from a GDP per capita basis. We need a growing sovereign fund.
    
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    December 23, 2017 11:32am
- Kimbo
  
  Gaynor – a super fund manager – has been schilling that line for ages. The truth? The Third Labour Government/Roger Douglas super scheme would have diverted much-needed funds from paying bills during the tough years of the late 1970s and 1980s, when we had to restructure.
  
  https://milfordasset.com/about-us/team
  
  Also, it is a myth that a giant compulsory super scheme/”pot of gold” enriches the nation as a whole compared to the option of leaving money on people’s pockets and allowing them to make their investment/wealth creating/retirement decision. The Australian experience indicates overall national wealth is not increased.
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:47am
  - flipper
    
    Kimbo… quite correct.
    Roger Douglas was the genius who determined that the breweries were making excess profits by standing in the public bar of de Brett’s Hotel and “counting” the number of glasses served in one hour.
    The fact is that when Muldoon proposed eliminating then compulsory Douglas scheme, most folks, myself included, welcomed the pay “increase” especially since we considered that we were being asked to pay twice for superan … via excessive taxation and via the Douglas fund.
    The lump sum refund, the PSA idiots notwithstanding, really helped make Christmas that year.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:58am
    - Kimbo
      
      I seem to recall a certain Mr Fitzgerald had a problem with your Xmas spend! 😉
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitzgerald_v_Muldoon
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:57am
      - flipper
        
        Yep….
        financed by the PSA and the milksop.
        The process may been wrong, but in the end the result was the same.
        
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        December 23, 2017 4:43pm
  - Harriet
    
    “…../Roger Douglas super scheme would have diverted much-needed funds from paying bills during the tough years of the late 1970s and 1980s, when we had to restructure….”
    
    Yep…..Rudd during the GFC reduced the super contributions that the public were allowed down from $50kpa to $25k – that’s still in force today.
    
    “……Also, it is a myth that a giant compulsory super scheme/”pot of gold” enriches the nation as a whole compared to the option of leaving money on people’s pockets and allowing them to make their investment/wealth creating/retirement decision. The Australian experience indicates overall national wealth is not increased…..”
    
    I disagree in the fact that the poorest workers have to have their money invested for them[they can do it themselves if they wish] and that is good for the nation overall. Left to their own……..[as an aside the millennials are the one’s who are becoming very active with their super and a lot of them are self managing.]
    
    But yes the super system could be much better, women for example are out of the workforce when they have children but can’t increase their contributions above $25kpa when they return to work – in other words they can’t catch up to those who stay in work – the same applies to students, apprentices, the sick, immigrants. – Self managed is then the way to go as you can get better returns which then helps make up ‘the gap’.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:20am
    - Kimbo
      
      But yes the super system could be much better, women for example are out of the workforce when they have children but can’t increase their contributions above $25kpa when they return to work
      
      And that was always one of Muldoon’s objections to Douglas’ compulsory scheme. Women who had not been in the work force were especially disadvantaged. Hence National’s alternative at the 1975 election – Universal National Superannuation. Which they won by a landslide. No matter how good it looks on paper or in hindsight (and yes, the ramifications for the future were set out in the National and Labour manifestos in 1975) Gaynor overlooks the point that it was democracy in action, and policy only works best when it has buy-in from the electorate.
      
      There is a very good reason we are not Singapore – we would never accept the limitations on democracy that made Singapore what it is today.
      
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      December 23, 2017 10:30am
      - Harriet
        
        But Muldoon did say “… Women who had not been in the work force were especially disadvantaged….”
        
        There’s very few of them today, or currently they are women with high income husbands or women with several past boyfriends, both being outliers.
        
        I’m an advocate of the kindy/primary/secondary day being 8-4 where women can have and do everything and the teachers union stops hindering personal/business/local/national productivity and social cohesion. For the sake of their families and themselves your average wife doesn’t want to work disruptive daily hours, including the weekend, or have their children educated at disruptive times. I also believe that mothers should have 8 weeks holiday a year instead of the current 26 weeks newborn leave, giving them a week off in each of the school holidays and several over xmas and NY. Female students of all kinds can then get work experience and an income during the holidays. Babies sleep for their first 6 months. All women should rule and have it all – not just a few teachers unionists. A life is better than a career and retirement, just ask any husband. 😎
        
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        December 23, 2017 11:14am
- Prince
  
  Nonsense. Various governments would have raided the nest egg to solve poviddy and other social ills.
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:37am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep. Or continually modified it as per Kiwisaver.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:55am
    - KevOB
      
      That didn’t happen in Samoa which has been going 46 years. The controlling Board is not wholly appointed by government so there is public oversight.
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:37am
- Digmen1
  
  And it would be earning 18% a year, just like Cullen Super Fund.
  Yeah right, I’d like to know how they do that when interest rates are so low.
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:04am
  - KevOB
    
    The Cullen Fund has earned nothing till its money is back in NZ. The money has gone out but it’s the coming back that really counts. The “market” is almost a casino at present. Value is not priced but what we are seeing is plays on price movement. The worst example is people buying bitcoin because the price has moved upward.
    
    Money invested in productive assets in NZ returns value to the whole country. It can enhance our overall growth rate and compound returns. An
    investment for a fixed yield with a variable reward for growth as the malls do is a good strategy for a long term investor. A fund could own a share in a toll road. It’s not there to buy out the share market. It may help with new ventures or local authority infrastructure projects. The super fund should not lead the economy but be a very important subservient part. Ultimately government has to take responsibility for the overall direction but with fund trusteeship shared with the community all can benefit. The government can never successfully be the prime investor–it does not have the know how or spread. The super fund can never dictate government policy–it’s not elected to do that.
    
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    December 23, 2017 2:59pm
- KevOB
  
  Gaynor is one of the money manager classes so he smells lost business potential.
  
  Muldoon pulled the scheme not because of any anti-socialist meme. NZ had a closed economy and we didn’t have the freedom to have such a fund with its investment hunger at that time.
  Contributions are relentless and those states which directed them into government investment found their budgets burdened with interest costs–Maylasia went up to 55% of the budget!. Pay-as-you-go replaced such plans.
  The more open NZ scheme took control from government and that presented balance of payment problems. Those were the real killer. Even funds invested in local enterprises created exchange pressures. We had oil shocks to absorb and “Think Big” set out to increase foreign earnings or reduce imports. That worked over time. There were also union demands for wage increases that resulted in foreign exchange demands too. When others are forcing imports to the limits how can the government manage overall? We live in a world where others fix prices which means reserves can be critical. It wasn’t until Lange/Douglas floated the NZ dollar did we have more freedom to import or invest offshore.
  It would be easy with a NZ super fund to have it indirectly controlling the economy–it must also be subject to the government.
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:13am
Viking2

A controversial track cut into the face of Te Mata Peak in Hawke’s Bay will be removed by the company that built it, Craggy Range Winery.

“Following discussions with Mana Whenua and other concerned groups this week, Craggy Range Winery has decided the best resolution to the concerns surrounding its new walking track on Te Mata Peak’s eastern slopes is to remove the track, restore the land and return it to the previous owner,” the company said in a statement on Saturday.

The new walking and mountain bike track on the eastern face of the peak, on land adjacent to Craggy Range Winery, was deemed to have “no more than minor” environmental effects by Hastings District Council, which issued resource consent in October.

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what can you say?

Appeasing the apparently offended. Next we won’t be allowed to build roads where they are needed.
Well not without a lot of koha changing hands.
Oh wait.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/100147587/craggy-range-winery-to-remove-controversial-walking-track-on-te-mata-peak

Nice way to reward Mr Key for all the effort in the Walkways around the country.
Its a fucking hill. Hills need tracks. Still later day manawhenua only drive about. Walking doesn’t work for them.
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December 23, 2017 8:42am
- Manolo
  
  Would some substantial koha help?
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:47am
  - VicParking
    
    Koha satisfies all maori problems, especially the grants from the government to sue the government.
    Now we have Jancinda and Robbo holding the purse strings the money will flow like water, all the wrongs of the nasty National government will be fixed with Koha. Andrew iti will get a sore back bending to picking up all the tokens.
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:30am
    - Viking2
      
      Maybe not. The Nats sloshed out the funds like they were open ended from the taxpayer. Labour and Jones may step on the hose.
      
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      December 23, 2017 1:58pm
  - flipper
    
    LIKE $500 per person per meeting …. 15 mins or three hours !
    
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    December 23, 2017 9:33am
- Dave Mann
  
  God… please tell me NZ hasn’t come to this… 🙁
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:40am
- Rich Prick
  
  Island Bay clearly doesn’t have enough Mana Whenua to rid itself of its cycle way.
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:47am
  - flipper
    
    Nah …. the Italian families are not accorded the same reverence.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:00am
Monique Watson

Lange fucked it up.Big time. More so than Muldoon
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December 23, 2017 9:03am
- sam green
  
  Not Lange – Douglas.
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:34pm
Humble Capitalist

New Zealand – this year the `happy holiday’ season is on me. Please let me know your wishlist and send in your application form to the Ministry of Free Stuff. We haven’t quite got the numbers back on costs but they will all be revealed in the next budget. And how dare you ask about the costs because we need to start measuring success by our `happiness index’. Its not like its your money I’m spending!
In my opinion the ironic and sad thing is that this clueless bunch in power have only just started on their mission of the equal sharing of misery.
Merry Christmas KB’ers
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December 23, 2017 9:21am
KKKKatee

So the PM urges us to help out with non-perishable food items fur the City Mission. All those ‘poor’ people need the rest of us to provide them with Christmas dinner. What say you PM to those ‘poverdy stricken’ who drive from Hamilton to Auckland to bludge a food parcel? And I’m wondering how many members of the same family line up and take an extra parcel just because? The City Mission is a joke and the bludgers sure know how to turn up and rort the system. Besides PM, you’ve screwed me and thousands more out of a $1000 tax cut so I consider I’ve already donated my fair share.
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December 23, 2017 9:47am
- Longknives
  
  Whatever you do Katee- Don’t donate any fruit or vegetables!
  It’s ‘KFC or Nuthin’ for the City Mission crowd…
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:54am
  - Viking2
    
    Have long since stopped donating to all these so called charities.
    Now select people who need help when the chance arises.
    
    Charities have become bludging political mouth pieces. There is a charitable trust for every purpose. Most should be shut down.
    
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    December 23, 2017 2:02pm
    - realityczech
      
      Viking2, try walking around Welly. The beggers are everywhere but are usually passive, unlike the charity muggers who are in your face.
      
      Sadly the organised charities have been hijacked by people with other agendas, the same as environmental groups were.
      
      Personally I would rather give to the beggars so they can buy some booze and smokes for Christmas. At least they are not smug arseholes.
      
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      December 23, 2017 2:06pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I thought Cindy was the great poverdy slayer. But I’ll do my bit and pick up a couple of tins of jellymeat for her cause of the day.
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:39am
- Digmen1
  
  I always donate condoms.
  And job application forms
  And gym membership forms
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:05am
- Piniwi
  
  True KKKKatiee it is the Fool Factor again dominating their policy and the new tax increase on April 1 gobbled up too much of what might have been “charity” from taxpayers. If they think this Christmas is tough then they are in for a shock next year.
  
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  December 23, 2017 4:29pm
tf78

Will Jacinda be happy to receive the “living wage” which she proposes will be good for everyone – or is it just some/others.
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December 23, 2017 9:50am
- Longknives
  
  She sure likes to wag her horrible bony finger at us and lecture us on the ‘Evils of Capitalism’…For someone that hoovers up a $500k + salary!
  
  This ridiculous woman is both a liar and a fraud.
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:59am
- Paulus
  
  But those just above the minimum wage, of which there are many, will now want more to keep parity with those new figures – and so on upwards – will lead to more unemployment as employers will review their financial requirements.
  It may be better for employers to do a deal and cut the numbers and look after the existing required staff with the money.
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:37am
  - Piniwi
    
    True Paulus they have already created a base line for wage demands of 5% just for parity for those already well paid. The employer is then faced with the domino effect on all other employment costs.
    
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    December 23, 2017 4:36pm
RF

Picture this. What used to be a decent sized road now with wide cycle lanes on both sides with concrete strip separating them.

I am driving along following a cyclist who was slowly riding in front of me smack bang in the centre of my lane in spite of the cycle lanes – both being empty.

There is something about these wankers that gets right up my nose.
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December 23, 2017 10:02am
- Digmen1
  
  What the councils or the cyclists?
  
  What about all the empty buses here in Tauranga that we subsidise?
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:07am
  - Viking2
    
    Well buses are they way of the future round here, apparently.
    UZABUS has just landed a bunch of what look like old WGTN buses in their yard.
    They are going to tender for the bus routes for the next few years. Ebop want 5 fully electric buses at $1 million a bus for round town.
    Problem is that electrics don’t work as Infratil has found out.
    
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    December 23, 2017 2:07pm
- Komata
  
  RF:
  
  And don’t ever forget that, even when the cyclists put themselves in situations where they get run over (as you’ve described above) , it’s ALWAYS the fault of the motorists, never, ever them.
  
  I live near Cambridge (the ‘Home’ of cycling) and we have major problems with such people…
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:55am
realityczech

The hate of the Jew for the goy knows no boundaries. Remember this is in a place illegally invaded under international law. The same law that established the religious fantasy land of modern Israel:

“Rabbi calls for ‘finishing off’ wounded Palestinians

A Jewish rabbi urged Israeli occupation forces to “finish off” wounded Palestinians who carry out resistance attacks and to refrain from providing them with medical treatment or first aid, leaving them to bleed to death.

The right-wing Rabbi Baruch Marzel, who lives in an illegal settlement in Hebron, claims that “since the Elor Azariya affair terrorists are not killed and soldiers do not finish the job and do not make sure that the terrorist is dead.”

However, the facts on the ground indicate that Israelis have been continuously targeting unarmed Palestinians.

The most recent incident was when a member of the Givati Brigade killed a young Palestinian man, Mohammed Musa, 29, and left him to bleed to death.”

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20171123-rabbi-calls-for-finishing-off-wounded-palestinians/
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December 23, 2017 10:06am
- Inandout
  
  Poor, poor murderous Palestinians, that group which oil rich countries keep dangling as an excuse to hate Israel. Go Israel, and may your industrial, technological and armaments industries flourish in the face of blind hatred. May you keep our computers and cellphones humming with your far reaching technology.
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:12am
  - realityczech
    
    Go to Israel, and may your industrial, technological and armaments industries flourish in the face of billions leeched from the goyim of the USA by a nation of gutless parasites.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:17am
realityczech

Seems age of consent is a big topic today … for Muslims. Time for some balance….

The minimum age for marriage under Jewish law is 13 for boys, 12 for girls; however, the kiddushin can take place before that, and often did in medieval times.

http://www.jewfaq.org/marriage.htm
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December 23, 2017 10:19am
- Awww C-mon
  
  You really do post some shite.
  
  Tell me, RC what are you and yours doing for Christmas?
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:34am
  - realityczech
    
    “You really do post some shite”
    
    That was posted from a Jewish learning site for Jews about Jews written by Jews.
    
    You must therefore be a Nazi/anti Semite blah blah blah.
    
    The thing the Jew and its enablers fear most is the truth.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:41am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      So are you saying I’m anti-semite, or is that you predicting my response/opinion?
      
      Am I the Jew enabler who fears the truth?
      
      What are you and yours doing for Christmas?
      
      Its still shite regardless, context gives the truth/facts depth. Your comment doesnt have any context, it’s just the rantings of a madman.
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:28am
      - realityczech
        
        “Your comment doesnt have any context, it’s just the rantings of a madman”
        
        A demand you do not make when Muslims are the target.
        
        The context is a contemporary Jewish religious authority explaining the current Jewish texts. I provided a link with tons of “context”
        
        Yes of course modern Jews don’t marry kids etc. Nor do Muslims living in the same fortunate circumstances as most Jews. It does happen among those living like they did centuries ago, a point also made in the Jewish text I quoted.
        
        Get it ?
        
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        December 23, 2017 12:28pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Sorry RC, I was thinking about your comment while watching the cricket.
      
      I was wrong saying there is no context, you are of course. How about a request for modern context as more appropriate. Is this happening today?
      
      The current legal age of marriage in Israel is 18.
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:47am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        up from 17
        
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        December 23, 2017 12:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        Write an angry letter to the source accusing the Rabbi and religious authorities of being anti Semites dickhead.
        
        BTW, most of the Jews in Israel are not Semites. Whilst all Arabs are Semites. Another factoid for your bigoted little brain.
        
        Oh and you are not going to heaven for defending the Christ killers. Simply because there is no heaven or God.
        
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        December 23, 2017 12:31pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        RC you make too many assumptions, telling me what I am and how I think.
        
        How about you trying to be less of an angry little bitch?
        
        So pretty much the gist of this particular rant is that two old religions have some out-dated ideals that no-one actually follows?
        
        Well Fuck Me Sideways! What a revelation
        
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        December 23, 2017 1:34pm
  - G152
    
    Seeing that its a Jewish festival (in its current guise) he probably snarls at the world through curtained windows as usual.
    Such vitrol has its own cost
    
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    December 23, 2017 11:19am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Surely a public holiday this time of year still leads to a festive occasion, without celebrating a traditional ‘christmas’
      
      A time to celebrate the good things that occurred in 2017 and welcome the new year??
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:34am
realityczech

This mornings zionist troll team upon reading the truth about themselves

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-AeERNGevHV4/UN1URgKoEKI/AAAAAAABWDk/Bgx3LHSil-s/s1600/ultra-orthodox20jews2.jpg
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December 23, 2017 10:21am
- Jack5
  
  That’s a post to be remembered! Kearealityczech roasting a “troll team”.
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:18pm
realityczech

“Judaism is not only the teaching of the synagogue, but also the doctrine of every ‘Christian Church’ in America. Through our propaganda the Church has become our most avid supporter. This has even given us a special place in society, their believing the lie that we are the ‘Chosen People’ and they, ‘Gentiles’.” ~ Harold Rosenthal Interview.
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December 23, 2017 10:25am
- Inandout
  
  You sad troller. Did some Jewish person offend you sometime?
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:33am
  - realityczech
    
    Go tell that to you fellow bigots who are banging on about Muslims all morning. At least my claims are backed up by what Jews themselves are saying.
    
    You are filth and represent the lowest possible expression of the human condition. No wonder Jews regard you with such contempt and hatred.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:37am
    - Lance
      
      RC… take your mental illness elsewhere
      
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      December 23, 2017 11:00am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      “Minor car accident”- Czech
      
      14 people plowed into, most of which are still in critical condition according to latest reports, but other than a missed doctors appointment, and a cocktail of non precription meds, a few Islamic ramblings in a pre examination interview, and 14 human beings f×÷ked up for xmas this is nothing more than a minor car crash in the greater scheme of things and the ‘plan’ being executed perfectly.
      
      The Islamic attacks are arguably justifiable because we are Goyim filth who sit back and allow our Zionist masters to flood the west with Islamic miscreants who have been brainwashed from birth to hate the west and bring about its destruction.
      
      It is these brainwashed Islamic animals that are the useful idiots the Zionists deploy to create chaos/disorder in the west.
      
      Out of this chaos, some time in the future, a new one world govt will arise victorious lording it over the new brown microchipped slaves.
      
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      December 23, 2017 12:12pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yeah that was much worse than this ❗
        What did we ever do to deserve this eh ? Fuckwit.
        
        America dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016. What a bloody end to Obama’s reign
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy
        
        TRUMP’S MILITARY DROPPED 751 BOMBS ON AFGHANISTAN IN SEPTEMBER, HIGHEST NUMBER IN SEVEN YEARS
        
        http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-military-dropped-751-bombs-over-afghanistan-september-highest-number-681208
        
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        December 23, 2017 12:37pm
    - KevOB
      
      You are not very Christian.
      
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      December 23, 2017 12:32pm
      - realityczech
        
        Thank you
        
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        December 23, 2017 12:38pm
Harkman

Wow, that Nikki Haley. What a woman. A real woman. Grrrrrr! The more I see of her the more I like her.
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December 23, 2017 10:35am
- Inandout
  
  Sure is, and a good pick by Trump. She will clean up that corrupt UN by any means available to her.
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:38am
  - Harkman
    
    I can’t see how anyone could down tick us for that view.
    
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    December 23, 2017 10:46am
  - Digmen1
    
    Best way to clean up is to cut the funding, until there is genuine reform.
    
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    December 23, 2017 12:39pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, I would marry her.
  
  She is part American Indian (like Shania Twain)
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:08am
  - ztev
    
    Wrong sort of ‘indian’
    She was born Nimrata Randhawa to an american sikh family.
    
    What were you saying about Shania Twain again ?
    
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    December 23, 2017 11:16am
    - Digmen1
      
      Woops
      It seems I am in error
      Id still marry either of them.
      But Shania may be the better bet, as Indians tend to burn people (literally)
      
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      December 23, 2017 12:38pm
- Victor Omega
  
  First female prez.
  
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  December 23, 2017 1:11pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ABH
    
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    December 24, 2017 12:45am
    - Victor Omega
      
      Wut?
      
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      December 24, 2017 8:50am
dime

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-hWZGIWe_U

its not christmas til youve cranked snoopys
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December 23, 2017 10:38am
Harkman

So I was going to give my 14 year old niece some ?for Christmas but I was going to give her a book to read as well. As my sister said she was struggling in English (a constructive summer). What’s an appropriate book for a 14 year girl? Pride & Prejudice, Little Women, Jane Eyre, Emma, Gone With the Wind, etc? (Suggestions please).
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December 23, 2017 10:44am
- stigie
  
  Please don’t take any suggestions from Stiffy as it might not be suitable !~
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:53am
- rangitoto
  
  Euclid’s Elements.
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:53am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If she is struggling with English, then I would recommend more modern authors who write in simple sentences.
  
  Two authors that my eldest daughter (a great reader) favoured from (9-13 years) were Judy Blume and Gordon Korman.
  
  I haven’t kept up-to-date with new writers for teens..but I would advise against buying anything above her reading ability, until she has got “hooked” on reading.
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:29am
  - artemisia
    
    Totally agree. The classics are not at all suitable for a struggling reader. Later perhaps. Maybe Malorie Blackman, Hunger Games or YA graphic novels.
    
    Any decent bookshop should be able to recommend what is flying off the shelves.
    
    Our early teen boy was addicted to the Wimpy Kid books. The first book in a series is good, can get them hooked.
    
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    December 23, 2017 12:41pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Harkman, Ask the staff at a good bookstore for a recommendation.
    
    Sorry Artemesia, I saw your same above, can’t seem to delete today.
    
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    December 23, 2017 1:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  Harkman, try Fleur Beale and her NZ Classic ” I am not Esther ” or other titles by the author .
  
  https://www.penguin.co.nz/authors/fleur-beale
  
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  December 23, 2017 12:47pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  If you do want classics, the Narnia books aren’t too difficult and will really motivate a kid with a strong imagination. And if she’s crazy about horses, as many kids are, Black Beauty would motivate her to read.
  
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  December 23, 2017 1:03pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Narnia is all appallingly tedious christian allegories. Try twilight series. Total shit but appeals to naive teen girls.
    
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    December 23, 2017 1:53pm
    - Kimbo
      
      I thought that was “Fifty Shades of Gray”! And that is appallingly tedious total shit. ?
      
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      December 23, 2017 2:53pm
- Harkman
  
  Thanks all great tips.
  
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  December 23, 2017 2:28pm
- Jaywalk
  
  My daughter read this one – Unwind – at school, then said I had to read it as well so she obviously enjoyed it, despite it being dystopian. http://www.storyman.com/books/unwind/
  
  Holes by Louis Sachar is great as well, Hunger Games series was good too. The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon is one my 15 year old is reading right now.
  
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  December 24, 2017 3:54am
realityczech

“Gentile souls are of a completely different and inferior order. They are totally evil, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever . . . their material abundance derives from supernal refuse. Indeed, they themselves derive from refuse, which is why they are more numerous than the Jews. . .”

Abraham Foxbrunner. Habad: The Hasidism of Schneur Zalman of Lyady. Northvale NJ: Jason Aronson Inc., 1983. p. 108-109.
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December 23, 2017 10:51am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What would you expect a leader of a closed-ended religious group with a strong “them vs. us” mindset to think about “the outsiders?”
  
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  December 23, 2017 11:58am
  - realityczech
    
    Odakyu-sen, that is what I would expect of any closed ended religious group. Kinda my point really in posting it. Jews take it to the next level and consider themselves a “tribe”.
    
    I wish my mate Brittle was here to clarify all this, but I reckon he got too pissed last night at the synagogue and is still sleeping it off.
    
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    December 23, 2017 2:00pm
tom hunter

If you’re not reading Politico’s story on Hezbollah’s gigantic drug dealing program, and the Obama Administration shutting it down, then take it in chunks. It’s amazing:

The Colombia and Venezuela investigations linked him to numerous international drug smuggling and money laundering networks, and especially to one of the biggest the DEA had ever seen, led by Medellin-based Lebanese businessman Ayman Joumaa.

Joumaa’s network rang alarm bells in Washington when agents discovered he was working with Mexico’s brutal Los Zetas cartel to move multi-ton loads of cocaine directly into the United States, and washing $200 million a month in criminal proceeds with the help of 300 or so used car dealerships. The network would funnel huge amounts of money to the dealerships to purchase used cars, which would then be shipped to Benin, on Africa’s west coast.

Columbia and the city of Medellin. Venezuela. Iran. Lebanon and Lebanese, living in Columbia. Mexico. Benin. Your average international corporate could not do better.
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December 23, 2017 11:36am
- Victor Omega
  
  Congress opened an investigation into the Obama admin over this Hezbollah report.
  Sessions opened an investigation over deals involving Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation.
  Lawyers working on the FusionGPS fake Russian dossier lawsuit say that have uncovered who gave it to Buzzfeed.
  
  Tick..tock.
  
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  December 23, 2017 1:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  Before you continue to crown yourself in glowing self righteousness over the Obama ’s administrations “alleged “, “reported “ complicity in Hezbollah drug operations ,consider this ,
  
  The-history-channel-is-finally-telling-the-stunning-secret-story-of-the-war-on-drugs/
  
  “…That core truth is: The war on drugs has always been a pointless sham. For decades the federal government has engaged in a shifting series of alliances of convenience with some of the world’s largest drug cartels. So while the U.S. incarceration rate has quintupled since President Richard Nixon first declared the war on drugs in 1971, top narcotics dealers have simultaneously enjoyed protection at the highest levels of power in America.
  
  On the one hand, this shouldn’t be surprising. The voluminous documentation of this fact in dozens of books has long been available to anyone with curiosity and a library card.”
  
  Yet somehow, despite the fact the U.S. has no formal system of censorship, this monumental scandal has never before been presented in a comprehensive way in the medium where most Americans get their information: TV.
  That’s why “America’s War on Drugs” is a genuine milestone. We’ve recently seen how ideas that once seemed absolutely preposterous and taboo — for instance, that the Catholic Church was consciously safeguarding priests who sexually abused children, or that Bill Cosby may not have been the best choice for America’s Dad — can after years of silence finally break through into popular consciousness and exact real consequences. The series could be a watershed in doing the same for the reality behind one of the most cynical and cruel policies in U.S. history….”
  
  https://theintercept.com/2017/06/18/the-history-channel-is-finally-telling-the-stunning-secret-story-of-the-war-on-drugs/
  
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  December 23, 2017 1:16pm
  - realityczech
    
    Got a proper source for those claims stupidboy ?
    
    The “History Channel” is a loony alternative reality of hidden alien encounters and new age waffle. Though I agree there is strong evidence Obama was not human.
    
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    December 23, 2017 1:20pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Unlike here ?
      
      https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/sandy-hook-massacre/
      
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      December 23, 2017 3:01pm
tom hunter

So it looks like Uber and Lyft are destroying the San Francisco cabbie system, with the medallions rapidly losing value from their peak of $250,000. Bad Uber, right?

Well, it turns out that the only reason for this insanity is ….. the SF municipal government:

San Fran had been using medallions since the 70s, but only in limited numbers. Prospective cabbies had to wait for years just for a chance to buy one, but the system was at least somewhat stable.

By the late 2000s, however, the city was facing a shortage of cabs and crippling budget shortfalls. That’s when, by their own admission, they saw all the money that New York City was making off this scheme and decided to get in on the action.

There’s an interview with the person who ran the sales:

So the plan was to turn demand for medallions into a money maker for the city. But the high cost of a taxi medallion at $250,000 — the price of a house in a normal real estate market – meant the city needed a lending partner that could issue medallion loans.

Hmmmm – sounds like sub-prime housing. How can you make money selling stuff when people can’t afford it?

So then they needed a lender willing to cover such amounts and, just like New York, they found the San Francisco Federal Credit Union willing to get in on the game, making loans bigger than the price of most homes just so a driver could get the city’s blessing to try to make a living.

And guess who’s going to wear the cost of that as this system goes broke?

But I’ll bet the “free market” will get the blame, especially Uber and Lyft.
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December 23, 2017 11:54am
SPLOOGE

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Just bumped into Winston Peters and had a 30 second chat.
Apparently he is in rude health and is enjoying himself immensely.
I say good on him. A true New Zealander with New Zealanders his main concern.
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December 23, 2017 11:54am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  An interesting viewpoint. What do you consider his greatest contribution to NZ?
  
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  December 23, 2017 12:51pm
- stigie
  
  “A true New Zealander”
  
  What a fucking joke Splurge, a true New Zealander doesn’t go around suing everyone about every whim he doesn’t like..?
  Wait and see Splurge, he will go down !~
  
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  December 23, 2017 12:54pm
  - realityczech
    
    stigie, he should not have to. There should have been a proper investigation into the people responsible for this eg. National and their govt service lackeys.
    
    Winston is a real Kiwi bloke and the elitist old boy network hate him for it.
    
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    December 23, 2017 1:01pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Stop being so fucking agreeable RC.
      
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      December 23, 2017 1:32pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Ahhh. Butthurt abounds Stoogie.
    He got rid of the National….bahaaaaaaa.
    Look how much that has upset you lot.
    For that alone I salute him.
    
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    December 23, 2017 1:30pm
- flipper
  
  Splooge is now pissed from breathing the air that Peters exhaled !
  (BTW … Police called to one of the liberal east coast colleges fraternity houses got a DIC reading ju0st from turning them on and sampling the air ! )
  
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  December 23, 2017 4:55pm
Biscuit

Stories like this make me wanna vomit:

‘I still buy Christmas presents for Maddie’: Kate McCann reveals her festive tribute to her daughter who went missing ten years ago and would be 14-years-old now.

If you’d bought your girl one babysitter all those years ago…
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December 23, 2017 12:24pm
- realityczech
  
  If you really want to feel sick then read up on what the authorities really believe. She is a prime suspect and played the media for all it was worth. One of the first thing she did was hire a PR consultant for big $$$$. Not to worry though, she had plenty of money from the sheeple and managed to get out of the financial troubles she was in.
  
  Personally I think Lundy was a better actor.
  
  Here are 48 simple questions the lying slag refused to answer in order to help the police find her daughter.
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/48-questions-kate-mccann-refused-to-answer-madeleine-disappearance-portugal-a7710111.html
  
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  December 23, 2017 12:52pm
  - realityczech
    
    The Chief of Police knows who did it. They took him to court to get ~~even more money~~ damages. How many other killers get to take the cops to court for investigating them ?
    
    “She died in the apartment as a result of a tragic accident and the parents simulated an abduction after failing to care of their children,” Tavares de Almeida, former chief inspector at Portimao police station during the initial months of the investigation, told the court in Lisbon.
    
    “These were the conclusions of a police report signed by me on September 10 2007,” he added.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/portugal/6974917/Madeleine-McCanns-death-covered-up-by-parents-who-faked-kidnap-court-hears.html
    
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    December 23, 2017 12:58pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    ”Ms McCann answered just one question put to her by the police during the interrogation, when she invoked her right to remain silent in protest at being treated as a suspect. She later said that she refused to co-operate because she thought the police treating her as a suspect was distracting them from the work they should have been doing to find Maddie.”
    
    Sounds plausible
    No point in incriminating yourself in front of a hostile interrogator is there.
    
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    December 23, 2017 1:37pm
    - realityczech
      
      Righto Splooge, so you are okay with other suspects doing the same then. Say if someone raped and murdered the mule toothed communist … for example ?
      
      Or does it only apply to women who murder their children ?
      
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      December 23, 2017 2:10pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Your words dickhead, not mine.
        
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        December 23, 2017 3:12pm
      - realityczech
        
        Way to go Sploodge, thanks to feltchers like you the murdering bitch is running free and living off the proceeds.
        
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        December 23, 2017 4:34pm
realityczech

Imagine the outrage on KB if this happened to the Jews. But it is Muslims and the vile filth that troll this site instead portray the Jew as the victim.

Is This Genocide?
Survivors describe Myanmar soldiers
killing men, raping women and
burning babies in a Rohingya village.

“Ethnic cleansing” and even “genocide” are antiseptic and abstract terms. What they mean in the flesh is a soldier grabbing a crying baby girl named Suhaifa by the leg and flinging her into a bonfire. Or troops locking a 15-year-old girl in a hut and setting it on fire.
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December 23, 2017 12:45pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Yes, RC, if this is a true report then it totally sucks.
  
  What do you want the UN to do about it? Try not to abuse me but just give a calm answer.
  
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  December 23, 2017 1:08pm
  - realityczech
    
    “if this is a true report ”
    
    Wow.
    This is happening right now, there are thousands of witnesses and it is all over the media. Yet you question if its “true”. Fuck me. Yet you believe the most absurd claims about Jewish persecution without question.
    
    Thanks for making my point so strongly.
    
    I want the UN to do nothing. I also want nothing done in Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Egypt, Mali, The Sudan, Korea, Russia….
    
    I want everyone to mind their own business and protect their homelands and lead by example. If attacked (none of those countries attacked the West) then it is a very different story. That is where I am no longer a pacifist.
    
    Edit: I see I forgot the link
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/15/opinion/sunday/genocide-myanmar-rohingya-bangladesh.html
    
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    December 23, 2017 1:13pm
    - realityczech
      
      Gosh I wonder if it is “true”
      
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/rohingya-crisis-latest-burma-armed-forced-slaughtered-men-children-maung-nu-survivors-muslim-a8124181.html
      
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      December 23, 2017 1:17pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        So nobody should do anything about this attack?
        
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        December 23, 2017 1:21pm
      - realityczech
        
        Sadly that is correct. Name one intervention that has worked ? Look at the state of Syria and Iraq after we “helped”.
        
        What we need to do is lead by example and prevent that sort of violence here. And yes I am a fan of much tighter immigration criteria for Muslims. Not because of their fucked up religion, but because of the culture they tend to come from.
        
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        December 23, 2017 1:34pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Czech.
  
  “soldier grabbing a crying baby girl named Suhaifa by the leg and flinging her into a bonfire.”
  
  Minor accident.
  
  No to open borders.
  No to Rohingyas. They will be much happier in Gambia.
  No to Sharia
  No to the 2018 UN Migration Compact edicts and associated proposed hate speech laws to those that challenge totalitarian immigration policies.
  
  Yes to sovereign immigration laws.
  
  Much harder for the ‘plan’ to be carried out this way.
  
  Now whose side are you really on???
  
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  December 23, 2017 1:39pm
  - realityczech
    
    The side of common sense. People benefit from results not ideology.
    
    I would be okay with military interventions if they worked. They clearly don’t. We need to mind our own business.
    
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    December 23, 2017 1:49pm
    - Jack5
      
      Christians have been persecuted in Myanmar for more than 50 years.
      
      In recent months tens of thousands of Christians have been forced from their homes.
      
      I haven’t seen mention of this in the mainstream media. But the Muslim PR/political machine keeps the Rohingyas’ fate in the headlines.
      
      It’s similar in the Middle East. The veteran NZ Catholic journalist Pat McCarthy, who is knowledgeable on the Middle East, has highlight out Middle East Christians are virtually being shut out of the refugee chain.
      
      Muslims want to build up their numbers in Western countries. We don’t want any more in NZ. Jeez, just look at the crap that the Stephiestanis besmirch Kiwiblog with.
      
      Christians persecuted in Myanmar:
      
      http://www.faithwire.com/2017/03/20/pray-100000-christians-in-myanmar-have-been-forced-to-flee-their-homes/
      
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      December 23, 2017 8:08pm
Digmen1

Long live Myanmar.
I really hope they can encourage the rest of the Rohingas to leave.
(Without any violence or bloodshed)

I tend to think that all the reports about rape and murder etc are a bit exagerated.
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December 23, 2017 2:08pm
- realityczech
  
  “I tend to think that all the reports about rape and murder etc are a bit exagerated.”
  
  OH really, why ?
  
  It is well documented and recored. Unlike some of the absurd claims about the “holocaust”.
  
  Here is another very recent example of a real holocaust against Muslims, in Europe.
  
  http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.co.nz/2011/03/bosnian-genocide-pictures-are-worth.html
  
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  December 23, 2017 2:15pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Aaaand … RC has just totally discredited himself (holocaust denier).
    
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    December 23, 2017 3:00pm
    - realityczech
      
      Yet no comment on the denial of (yet another) Muslim holocaust happening right now.
      
      There goes what little credibility you might have scraped back.
      
      Netanyahu: Hitler Didn’t Want to Exterminate the Jews
      read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525
      
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      December 23, 2017 4:31pm
  - Digmen1
    
    The Bosnian war was really sad.
    The best way to have fixed it was to do an ethnic swap like they did in Turkey and Greece in 1920.
    You swap your house/hovel for a similar house/hovel in your own ethic area.
    Problem solved.
    
    The only evidence I have seen of crimes in Rakine state is from left wing journos interviewing Rohingas.
    
    Where is your evidence?
    
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    December 23, 2017 5:42pm
Digmen1

Good to see the UN really ramping up the sanctions against North Korea.

I am convinced that if the sanctions were strictly enforced (by military checkpoints etc) that Kim Fat boy will soon have to come to the table.

Without oil and money he cannot do much.

Also I’d drop some leaflets and food parcels on to NK to show the people the real problem is their leadership.
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December 23, 2017 2:11pm
- realityczech
  
  Now if only we can deal with he rouge nuclear state of Israel….
  
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  December 23, 2017 2:17pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Unless you want to sell makeup, you need to check your spelling, RC.
    
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    December 23, 2017 3:02pm
    - realityczech
      
      Classic, try and not suck cocks while commenting.
      
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      December 23, 2017 4:29pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        And…. In one day RC comes and overtakes all competition for fuckwit of the year.
        
        OAD and Gabby were fierce competition but when it comes down to true fuckery. RC is king
        
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        December 23, 2017 5:21pm
      - Lance
        
        All jesting aside, I think dear RC is actually having a mental breakdown.
        
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        December 23, 2017 8:22pm
  - Digmen1
    
    They are the only progressive, productive state in the whole middle east!
    Look at the rest of the hell holes!
    
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    December 23, 2017 5:43pm
Viking2

Trump movin on, America first.
Bludgers can wait.

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/photos/a.488852220724.393301.153080620724/10160334365445725/?type=3&theater
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December 23, 2017 2:18pm
- realityczech
  
  Trump once again showing statesmanship and unity. America is blessed to have him after suffering under the regime of the ignorant and reactionary hate monger Obama.
  
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  December 23, 2017 2:21pm
  - softail 1450
    
    R C ,,,hell yes .
    
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    December 23, 2017 2:31pm
    - realityczech
      
      Seems like only yesterday their were racially motivated mass killings of “crackers and cops” race riots and skyrocketing unemployment.
      
      Trump has set some kind of record for turning a country around and keeping election promises.
      
      We should cut funding, to things like climate change and women’s affairs, and use the money to build a Shrine to him.
      
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      December 23, 2017 2:39pm
RF

I have an email contact in the US who believes that Trump will come down hard on us and the others who did not vote with him.

He figured that the friendly nation status that we had with the US will soon be history as Trump is really pissed off with countries that do not support him.

Pity the commie chic did not abstain like Aussie as they are still in the good books because of this. We might just have a trade problem that could have been avoided if the bimbo had half a brain.
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December 23, 2017 2:21pm
- Kimbo
  
  We might just have a trade problem that could have been avoided if the bimbo had half a brain.
  
  No, I think Ardern got the memo that Trump pulled the US out of TPPA.
  
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  December 23, 2017 2:22pm
  - RF
    
    Apart from the TPPA apparently the US was prepared to carry out deals in other areas. It could impact on any Defence Dept upgrades etc.
    
    I guess the Commie and the dwarf want us to look towards the Soviets for assistances.
    
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    December 23, 2017 2:30pm
    - realityczech
      
      “the Soviets”
      
      Someone has been listening to the lefties. Step into the light dickhead. There are no Soviets and Russia is no problem to us.
      
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      December 23, 2017 2:41pm
      - RF
        
        RC.
        
        If it’s red it’s bad. Soviets, Commies, Marxists, socialists, labour, greens etc…. should be put to the sword.
        
        Cheers…
        
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        December 23, 2017 5:43pm
    - Kimbo
      
      The Soviets?! I think you may be confusing this for 1985. Speaking of which, irrespective of whether we are in or out of step with current US foreign policy, they will make trade deals based on what they consider their economic interests. Happened in the tine of Lange and our anti nuke legislation, and now more so with Trump.
      
      Plus being a good ally of the US makes no difference. Just ask Malcolm Turnbull when he tried to press Trump in their first phone conversation to ensure the US kept its commitment to take refugees off their hands. And after the UK there is no more stronger supporter of US foreign policy than the Ockers!
      
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      December 23, 2017 2:43pm
- realityczech
  
  But this is okay though eh ?
  —————————————————–
  Netanyahu ‘told New Zealand backing UN vote would be declaration of war’
  
  Israeli PM reportedly warned that support for motion on settlements would ‘rupture relations’ between two countries
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/28/netanyahu-told-new-zealand-backing-un-vote-would-be-declaration-of-war
  
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  December 23, 2017 2:23pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rc, all it shows us is that the Israeli PM needs to have a long overdue appointment with his Doctor.
    
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    December 23, 2017 2:53pm
    - GoVege
      
      True, but anybody surrounded by millions of blood-thirsty Arabs baying for their blood would probably have a few issues…
      
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      December 23, 2017 3:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        “surrounded by millions of blood-thirsty Arabs”
        
        Except they left Europe to immigrate there moron. Go eat a steak you silly bitch and go check those B-12 levels. Your brain function is declining.
        
        If it was that bad they would not have mass immigrated to live among their Arab relatives.
        
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        December 23, 2017 4:28pm
    - flipper
      
      ..
      Way to go stupidboy.
      Bibi would have your guts for garters you dumb prick. And per chance he failed the Mossad would get you. Bye, bye…..
      
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      December 23, 2017 5:09pm
      - realityczech
        
        Flip-out, so Jews murder people who speak out about their wrongs then ? That was your claim.
        
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        December 23, 2017 5:11pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    That was to the hapless and gormless Mccully.
    Try saying that to Winston and see what would happen…..
    ”Now listen here you filthy murdering Jewish prick, you may be able to bully the US but here in NZ we are made of sterner stuff……”
    FFS we owe Israel nothing….or the US for that matter.
    
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    December 23, 2017 3:43pm
- SPC
  
  A trade problem?
  
  Trump wants to do a deal with the EU – but the UK, France, Netherlands, Belgium, Spain, Italy, Germany, Scandinavia etc voted against the USA on this.
  
  Oz only abstained because they want Trump to honour the deal to take some refugees, Canada and Mexico because they fear a NAFTA melt-down.
  
  His threat was to not give foreign aid to nations that voted against thee US, well we will wait and see whether he applies it on anyone (and to be consistent on all the nations involved). Empty is a word that comes to mind.
  
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  December 23, 2017 4:49pm
  - flipper
    
    I don’t think the Manus economic would be migrants are not that important. The prevention of rag head migrants beyond limits is also strongly supported by Shorten. He knows who butters his bread. Panty waist academic and Redmelon idiots will not get him elected.
    
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    December 23, 2017 5:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think the US needs us to remain as a friendly.
  
  We are the last stop on the way to McMurdo Stn.
  
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  December 23, 2017 5:03pm
Morrissey

Frankie Boyle on the shepherd killer Prince Harry
(Not ALL comedians can be bought off)

One way of shutting up awkward comedians is to send them off on a tour of Afghanistan and/or Iraq. They then feel obligated to say nothing but nice things about the Army. So instead of criticizing the aggression against Iraq as he had in 2003, Lewis Black became a fervent advocate of U.S. troops after being paid to go over there and “entertain” them. David Letterman and Al Franken were similarly muzzled after their trips to Iraq.

Similarly, the New Zealand comedian Mike King was willingly inveigled into becoming a part of the New Zealand government’s propaganda machinery, travelling to Afghanistan to “entertain the troops” and making a propaganda doco called Postcard from Afghanistan (“I’m just HOPING there’ll be no dramas of the TALIBAN kind!”)

http://www.throng.co.nz/2012/07/postcard-from-afghanistan-with-mike-king/

Not all comedians can be bought, however. Like there are some honest politicians, and some honest journalists, there are still some honest comedians too. One of the best of them is Glasgow’s brilliant Frankie Boyle….

[From the beginning]…We had the Queen’s 91st birthday a couple of months ago. …. Why do they call the Queen “Her Majesty”? Is she majestic? Really? I think of an eagle as being majestic, not a shuffling old woman who hasn’t cracked a fucking smile since Diana died.

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[From 4:41]…. Prince William and Prince Harry have been fronting a campaign urging people to talk more about their mental health. They’ve been very well received, everybody thinks that this is a great idea. I wonder if Prince Harry ever spares a thought for the mental health of the families of the various shepherds that he gunned down from his twenty million pound death helicopter in Afghanistan. I wonder how he justifies that to himself. ‘I pictured Daddy’s face on every shepherd I killed! Every Arab we shot serves my mother in Hell!’ I know that Afghans aren’t Arabs, but I, Prince Harry in this joke believe that they are.’ That’s Britain, man, exporting peace and democracy to the world, and what says “peace and democracy” more than being shot dead from a helicopter by a prince?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TecCuUhLHk
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December 23, 2017 2:40pm
- realityczech
  
  “Similarly, the New Zealand comedian Mike King was willingly inveigled into becoming a part of the New Zealand government’s propaganda machinery, travelling to Afghanistan to “entertain the troops” and making a propaganda doco called Postcard from Afghanistan”
  
  Seen it and the troops hated him. It was painful to watch. He was praising the Afghans that the Yanks claim they are there to help. In reality they hate their guts and all want to go home.
  
  As an aside I have seen a doco about the Russian experience there. It was dreadful for them too.
  
  Best we leave them alone to herd their goats and keep their women in line.
  
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  December 23, 2017 2:45pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Here are a couple of people a bit more authoritative and interesting than Mike King….
    
    http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011/03/27/malalai-joya-noam-chomsky-denounce-us-occupation-of-afghanistan.html
    
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    December 23, 2017 2:55pm
  - GoVege
    
    Just yesterday I was doing a clean-up of my old Time magazines and found one I never opened when I got it.
    (Because I had difficulty looking at it.)
    It had a picture of a teenage girl with her nose cut off by the Taliban, with the heading..”what happens when we leave Afghanistan? “
    
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    December 23, 2017 3:16pm
    - realityczech
      
      That’l teach her Vege. What did she do wrong ?
      
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      December 23, 2017 4:25pm
    - Morrissey
      
      If you believe what TIME tells you—and unfortunately it looks like you do—then you will be unaware that “we” (i.e. the United States) supported, encouraged and armed the Taliban to the teeth from 1979.
      
      If you’re serious, you’ll read something more rigorous and certainly more honest than that notorious rag….
      
      http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2011/03/23/their-empty-talk-of-liberating-afghan-women.html
      
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      December 23, 2017 8:40pm
tom hunter

Historian – and California native – Victor Hanson, opines on yet more disasters in his state:

Over some 50 consecutive months of drought, California did not start work on a single major reservoir — though many had long ago been planned and designed. Instead, given the lack of water-storage capacity, and due to environmental diversions, tens of millions of acre-feet of precious runoff water last year were simply let out to the ocean. This year, the state may want all of that water back.

The dams, lakes and canals, along with almost all other infrastructure in the state, were built for a population of some 20 millions in the 1960’s, rather than the 40 million now using it all. Plans were made to build more for such growth but were stopped in the 1970’s, ironically in many cases by the guy who is once again Governor, Jerry Brown.

Silicon Valley is the state’s signature cash cow, emblematic of progressive-cool culture and tech savvy. Yet many streets around high-tech corporate campuses are lined with parked Winnebagos that serve as worker housing compounds. In nearby Redwood City, World War II–era cottages have become virtual hostels. Trailers, tiny garages, and converted patios serve as quasi-apartments.
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Hidden behind tony homes are tent cities and the open fires of homeless people who camp out in ravines.

Smart apps but not smart housing! Interesting. Been hearing these stories for some time from old US IT mates.

The coastal corridor cannot sustain the 30 million or so residents who cluster there without massive water transfers, excellent freeways, and daily rail and truck importation of food, fuel, and construction materials.

The hillsides are overgrown with drought-stricken scrub and half-dead trees, in part due to restrictions on grazing, brush removal, and logging. They prove to be veritable kindling that fuels raging fires.

Coastal California is hilly, difficult to build on, and prone to devastating earthquakes. It is semi-arid, without much of an aquifer. The life-giving watershed of the Sierra Nevada is more than 200 miles away.

Greens everywhere often talk of unsustainable human activities and how we should let nature reclaim her patches. Perhaps it’s just time Californians come to that party, live up to their principles and beliefs, and abandon what was always basically a desert. 🙂

NOTE: No such opinions will see the light of day on NPR, PBS, or here on RNZ National.
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December 23, 2017 2:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That same Governor that has ignored all advice to get underground powerlines in high wind/fire-prone areas.
  https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/20/jerry-brown-vetoed-enhanced-requirements-for-undergrounding-power-lines-blames-ca-wildfires-on-nebulous-climate-change/
  
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  December 23, 2017 5:07pm
Rodney Randall

Realityczech’s: “minor traffic accident” caught on camera

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e00_1513974176

Of course all Islamic terrorist attacks are now labelled “mental illness” epecially in Europe.

Jacinda is gagging for some of this action in NZ
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December 23, 2017 3:07pm
- realityczech
  
  Don’t worry, I would clamp down on Muslim immigration big time. I am against all religious nuts, even Jewish ones.
  
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  December 23, 2017 4:24pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 20: Gene Simmons

Ugly, untalented, conceited, dishonest, repulsive to women and therefore aggressive and hateful towards them. Hell, if Donald Trump was a musician, he’d be this loathsome putz….

Simmons, the author of notorious Republican kiddy-fiddler Roy Moore’s favorite song and a notorious over-compensator, has previously claimed to have slept with nearly 5,000 women. But apparently spending that much time with females still hasn’t taught him any respect: just last week, Simmons was banned from Fox News following a sexist outburst. Which is almost impressive, given the lengths to which one usually has to go to get fired by Fox News….

http://www.metalsucks.net/2017/11/21/multiple-women-accuse-gene-simmons-from-kiss-of-sexual-harassment/

http://www.metalinjection.net/metal-crimes/two-women-accuse-kiss-gene-simmons-of-sexual-harassment

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

No.1 George Herbert Walker Bush; No. 2 Bill O’Reilly; No. 3 Al Franken; No. 4 Robin Brooke; No. 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; No. 7 Joe Biden; No. 8 Rolf Harris; No. 9 Harold Bloom; No. 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; No. 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; No.12 Prince Harry; No. 13 Bill Clinton; No.14 Judge Roy Moore; No. 15 Matt Lauer; No. 16 Richard Branson; No. 17 Warren Moon; No. 18 Donald John Trump; No. 19 Damian Green
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December 23, 2017 3:08pm
- All_on_Red
  
  You need to add PERVWATCH #1 Stephieboy to that list
  He’s earned it
  
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  December 23, 2017 3:46pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    I wonder if Panty Slut Boy will feature on Morrissey’s list?
    
    Mention the name David Benson-Pope these days and you get two reactions. “Tennis balls” would be one, while the other is invariably: “They went too far when they called him a ‘pervert’.” Benson-Pope is a man who polarizes. … Benson-Pope had bound and gagged a student, had bashed another youngster in the face, and had spanked teenage girls on their thighs and busted into their changing rooms repeatedly while girls were showering on school camps … The “pervert” label was further enhanced – again by witnesses spoken to by police – when girls told of being made to strip down to panties and nighties and forced to stand outside in the cold night air for an hour while Benson-Pope spotlighted them with a torch.
    
    Quick Morrissey – update your list!
    
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    December 23, 2017 4:08pm
    - nasska
      
      School camps must have been a doodle with David.
      
      I’m surprised that there were no references to nipple clamps & German Shepherds. 🙂
      
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      December 23, 2017 4:21pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        The Investigate article is a real humdinger:
        
        Sado-masochistic sexual torture has, surprisingly, taken off in recent years as society’s tolerance of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender sex has grown. In fact, if you search the websites [insert here] you will find it is common for sado-masochists to actively advertise online for group sex with gay men and transsexuals. The BDSM community calls itself “GLBT friendly”. If there is an intersection between heterosexuals and the queer community, BDSM is it. Gay Labour MPs Tim Barnett and Chris Carter sometimes attend BDSM functions in Christchurch and Auckland respectively, but until Investigate received a tip off earlier this year no-one knew that Benson-Pope was even more involved than either of his gay colleagues.
        …
        Like many in the “community”, Roxanne is linked to a Master, or Owner, and has personally witnessed David Benson-Pope on several occasions. “He was always more on the sub/slave side as opposed to pure submissive. Trying to use a vanilla (straight) way of explaining things is hard. It just means that his is a very serving play. Very much into puppy play, and age play, corner time, and his biggest seemed to be humiliation.”
        
        He is also a cross-dresser, says Roxanne, but only when instructed to by his owner, “Mistress Princess”, during humiliation sessions. “As part of his humiliation fetish he is called ‘panty-slut-boy’…when it’s humiliation time it’s normally beautiful lacy underwear.”
        “In David Benson-Pope’s size?”
        “Absolutely!” she confirms.
        
        None of this appeared in his profile statement when he ran for Dunedin City Council!
        
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        December 23, 2017 4:37pm
      - nasska
        
        If only I’d known more about this before I sold up the farm Nostra. I could have rented out the stockyards on an hourly basis to some of these groups.
        
        Could have made a few bob on the side as well if they wanted to use the calving chains, elastrators or cattle prod. 🙂
        
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        December 23, 2017 4:44pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        With a bit of creativity, you could’ve “repurposed” your stockyard and got into the Christmas spirit early, old chap!
        
        Christmas isn’t Christmas without a tree. Those of us who observe the Christian holiday often spend their hard-earned cash setting one up, decorating it with ornaments and piling presents at its base every year.
        
        But not all trees are created equal.
        
        A handful of people have gone above and beyond in 2017 to bend the limits of creativity and, at times, part with tradition.
        
        Red is a fitting colour scheme for this makeshift tree, oozing with rustic charm. ABC listener Suzanne Tucker said the wood she used to build it was nicked from her slaughter shed. It’s a macabre start to life for a cheery Christmas tree but a great way to repurpose old wood that would have otherwise gone to waste.
        
        Would GoVege approve?
        
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        December 23, 2017 4:54pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”GoVege would approve of this!”…..
        
        If she wanted it to be more authentic I could have hung a couple of dressed dog tucker rams in it instead of Xmas lights. 🙂
        
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        December 23, 2017 5:00pm
      - Johnboy
        
        If you keep a couple of decent strategic branches on your tree you can even nail folk to them Nostradamus. 🙂
        http://freethinker.co.uk/2012/05/01/crucifixion-the-sade-masochistic-heart-of-christianity/
        
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        December 23, 2017 5:05pm
      - nasska
        
        Normally I’m vehemently opposed to censorship but the article you referenced worries me JB. Some of our more competitive religious nuts may end up in A&E for Easter Sunday.
        
        It could inspire the likes of Scott & Kimbo to outdo each other while re-enacting the crucifixion. 🙂
        
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        December 23, 2017 5:17pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Nostradamus, there are many reasons why I think David Benson-Pope should be trenchantly criticized: as mentioned in Ian Wishart’s otherwise highly misleading and shamelessly partisan attack piece, Benson-Pope was close to Helen Clark.
      
      What Wishart does not mention, because he no doubt approved of it, is that Benson-Pope in his role as a government goon was one of the loudest and cruelest persecutors of the refugee Algerian member of parliament Ahmed Zaoui. During speeches in parliament whenever Mr Zaoui’s name was mentioned, Benson-Pope, along with a couple of other South Island louts (Damien O’Connor and Clayton Cosgrove) routinely bawled out: “Send ‘im HOME!”
      
      For that alone, I would condemn Benson-Pope. But Wishart’s article is a load of fanciful nonsense, full of anonymous allegations, and clearly crafted by the National Party’s attack machine, including that useless corpulent thing that happens to be the son of a former president of the Nasty Party.
      
      Just as the hapless Democrats in the U.S. have declined to seriously contest Trump on the substantial issues and instead have put all their energy into the absurd fantasy of the “Russia inquiry”, so the National Party attack on Benson-Pope was almost entirely fanciful.
      
      And it wasn’t a good idea to have Judith Collins, of all people, holding up a tennis ball in Parliament and smirking maliciously at Benson-Pope. Any idea that the attacks on DBP had any validity went out the window at that farcical moment.
      
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      December 23, 2017 8:28pm
- realityczech
  
  Morris Dancer there is a difference between the conservatives and the lefties.
  
  Lefties believe in state control of everything and using force turns them on. The objects of their sexual perversions are taken by force and raped.
  
  The conservatives make the odd clumsy pass and have sex with willing women, who later pretend they were not up for it so they can get $$$. Lying whores that they are.
  
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  December 23, 2017 4:50pm
tom hunter

Speaking of invasions and occupations by foreign powers, here’s Steyn on Sweden, starting with one Professor Timothy Bates who is mystified:

What becomes of this optimism if it turns out that IQs are now falling across the developed world..? Something has happened in the last decade or so that has put progress into reverse in some countries and failed gifted children in others. We need to find out why and what to do to make sure its upward trajectory is restored.

Something has happened you say?
In further Swedish news:

This past Saturday, a Hanukkah party at a synagogue in Goteborg, Sweden, was abruptly interrupted by Molotov cocktails. They were hurled by a gang of men in masks at the Jews, mostly teenagers, who had gathered to celebrate the holiday
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Local police had made a much-criticised public statement advising women not to go out alone after darkness following the brutal rape of a 17-year old girl in central Malmö at the weekend.

It the third rape attack in the city in around a month, and occurred after midnight when the victim was walking through a playground area. On Sunday, the police officer leading the investigation was widely quoted in Swedish media advising women only go out in pairs or as part of a group after darkness.

As Steyn comments on both:

Would this be Sven and Inga heading to the Bring Your Own Molotov party?

In a country that boasts the world’s first self-proclaimed “feminist government”, it’s unsafe for women to leave the house.

Would that be Björn and Anders after a couple of lagers and a Harvey Weinstein chick flick? Or is the sudden increase of rape due to factors more, um, vibrant and diverse?

Like the Australian professor, who just could not figure out what factor had caused the “working class”, Labour electorate of Blaxland, Sydney to vote against Gay Marriage recently.

Professors, intellectuals and mysteries. It’s like Scooby Doo but without the fun kids.
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December 23, 2017 3:11pm
- Morrissey
  
  Mark Steyn is a blowhard with as much credibility as Ian Wishart—who’s the only magazine publisher in New Zealand dumb enough and desperate enough to publish Steyn’s nonsense.
  
  Is Wishart’s horror mag still going? I don’t know anybody with an IQ above room temperature who ever persisted with reading it after perusing its wild and fantastic contents.
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:45pm
tom hunter

And I see there is now talk of bollards and other devices to prevent vehicular attacks like that in Melbourne. Steyn’s dealt with this too, after the attack on the New York cyclists:

As I write, Geraldo is on Fox demanding to know why this bike path wasn’t blocked off with concrete barriers.

Why? Why does every public place have to get uglified up just because Geraldo doesn’t want to address the insanity of western immigration policies that day by day advance the interests of an ideology explicitly hostile to our civilization? Instead Geraldo wants to tighten up vehicle rental. Why? Why should you have to lose an extra 15 minutes at an already sclerotic check-in counter because Hertz and Avis and UHaul have to run your name through the No-Rent list? Why should open, free societies become closed, monitored, ugly, cramped and cowering?

There was also a comment at the time from New York Governor Andrew Cuomo:

We go forward together. And we go forward stronger than ever. We’re not going to let them win…We’ll go about our business. Be New Yorkers. Live your life. Don’t let them change us.

But as Steyn points out, between bollards, No-Rent lists, TSA patdowns and not entering airport gates unless you have a ticket…

But they are changing us

And therefore, they are winning.!
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December 23, 2017 3:53pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Just like criminal elements make us defend our castles, locking ourselves in because the state won’t lock them up.
  
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  December 23, 2017 4:33pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Tom Hunter: Xmas wrapped I hope!!!
  
  http://barenakedislam.com/2017/11/25/how-quaint-anti-terrorism-concrete-barriers-are-being-disguised-by-wrapping-them-up-as-christmas-presents-under-the-tree/
  
  A spokesperson for Hull City Council said: “We’re delighted people are enjoying the changes we’ve made. They are all part of getting everyone into a festive mood ahead of Christmas celebrations.”
  
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  December 23, 2017 4:50pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Bare Naked Islam and this pile of garbage ,
    
    http://barenakedislam.com/2017/11/29/you-can-thank-barack-hussein-obama-and-hillary-clinton-for-libyas-thriving-new-slave-trade-where-africans-are-having-their-organs-harvested-bodies-mutilated-and-roasted-like-kebabs/
    
    LOL
    
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    December 23, 2017 5:33pm
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Hi Steph. Thankyou for your comment.
      
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      December 23, 2017 5:48pm
- Digmen1
  
  I agree
  Every time they attack or kill someone etc they are winning.
  Every bollard we install at our expense means they are winning.
  Hell we are not even fighting back!
  
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  December 23, 2017 5:35pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “Digmen 1
    
    “Every time they attack or kill someone etc they are winning.” ??
    
    ISIS in Iraq and Syria ?
    
    “Hell we are not even fighting back!”
    
    Even the US President would strongly disagree with that .
    
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    December 23, 2017 6:49pm
Nostradamus

Monique Watson may be interested in going on a nakation:

They are on ‘nakation’, the term for holidaying without clothes, at Katikati Naturist Park, the only private nudist park in the North Island and one of only two private naturist holiday resorts in New Zealand, although there are 17 landed clubs around the country.

Co-owner Tom Carrigan explains. “Clothes are non-optional – that is the bottom line. But we are not sadists. We get that everyone needs to cover up occasionally – if you’re cold, or sunburnt or when you’re barbecuing, near a hot grill, you probably want to put your willy away for safety reasons.”

It sounds like someone who exposed their willy around the BBQ had a bad experience!

There are plenty of first time naturists who come to the resort, including some who arrived at the camp not understanding that it was a no clothes venue. “Some people see the ‘naturist’ sign but do not know what naturist means, so they turn up thinking it is a site where they can admire New Zealand native plants and birds”.

I wonder which is faster when you need to make a quick get away: a 3-point turn or a u-turn?
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December 23, 2017 4:29pm
SPC

The Palestinians have sent a happy Christmas card to Jared Kushner, you are so fired as ME peace envoy.

The Palestinian President has said that they will no longer accept the US as peace process mediator. This leaves the UN with the decision of how to continue the peace process, taking it out of the hands of the White House and Trump’s son in law.
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December 23, 2017 4:56pm
- realityczech
  
  What a shame. The USA did such a great job and even took out; Libya, Egypt, Syria and Iraq, to please the chosen ones. Who else could conduct a genocide like that for peace?
  
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  December 23, 2017 5:04pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  That was over a month ago…more of a Thanksgiving present.
  
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  December 23, 2017 5:07pm
- Johnboy
  
  The UN could look at paying their back rent to the US and maybe find another prime bit of real estate to move their entitled arse’s to such as Kabul or Pyongyang. 🙂
  
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  December 23, 2017 5:16pm
  - realityczech
    
    nasska, that is no way to talk about the people who invented Israel.
    
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    December 23, 2017 5:31pm
    - SPC
      
      nasska is the farmer, johnboy is the one only allowed on the farm with a chaperone (jealous human female).
      
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      December 23, 2017 6:02pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Just for Johnboy I present this unexpected Christmas news as a benefit of “diversity”…
    Bestiality brothels are ‘spreading through Germany’ warns campaigner as abusers turn to sex with animals as ‘lifestyle choice’:
    
    – Animal welfare officer Madeleine Martin: problem of ‘erotic zoos’ is growing
    – She tells of farmer whose once friendly sheep began refusing human contact 😯
    – So when he put CCTV in his barn he watched men file in and abuse his herd
    
    Bestiality dropped off the statute books as a crime in 1969 but in recent years the number of people believed to be participating in such acts has increased significantly.
    
    Gosh, I wonder what’s changed in Germany?
    
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    December 23, 2017 5:50pm
    - Johnboy
      
      I put it down to all those MMV movies showing what ze Cherman farmer ist meant to do to ze young/old frauleins zat visit his farm!
      Ven zey don’t show up he shags ze sheep. 🙂
      
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      December 23, 2017 6:13pm
    - stephieboy
      
      tom hunter , often typical of the Daily Mail unsourced.
      
      A sampling of Matt Blake’s other ” enlightening ” media contributions largely of a sleaze orientation ,
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Matt+Blake
      
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      December 23, 2017 6:16pm
stephieboy

Last minute reading treat for the Christmas tree or stocking ,

“WHITE RAGE’

The Unspoken Truth of Our Racial Divide

by Carol Anderson

https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/carol-anderson/white-rage/
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December 23, 2017 5:22pm
- realityczech
  
  Why don’t those over entitled monkeys scuttle back to Africa and do away with YT ?
  
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  December 23, 2017 5:25pm
- Nostradamus
  
  What’s on your Christmas reading list, Stephieboy?
  
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  December 23, 2017 5:25pm
  - stephieboy
    
    SPQR: A History of Ancient Rome
    
    By Mary Beard
    
    New York Times Bestseller • National Book Critics Circle Finalist • Wall Street Journal Best Books of 2015 • Kirkus Reviews Best Books of 2015 • Economist Books of the Year 2015 • New York Times Book Review 100 Notable Books of 2015
    
    A sweeping, “magisterial” history of the Roman Empire from one of our foremost classicists shows why Rome remains “relevant to people many centuries later” (Atlantic).
    
    In SPQR, an instant classic, Mary Beard narrates the history of Rome “with passion and without technical jargon” and demonstrates how “a slightly shabby Iron Age village” rose to become the “undisputed hegemon of the Mediterranean” (Wall Street Journal). Hailed by critics as animating “the grand sweep and the intimate details that bring the distant past vividly to life” (Economist) in a way that makes “your hair stand on end” (Christian Science Monitor) and spanning nearly a thousand years of history, this “highly informative, highly readable” (Dallas Morning News) work examines not just how we think of ancient Rome but challenges the comfortable historical perspectives that have existed for centuries. With its nuanced attention to class, democratic struggles, and the lives of entire groups of people omitted from the historical narrative for centuries, SPQR will to shape our view of Roman history for decades to come by Mary Beard
    
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/28789711-spqr
    
    The Holocaust: A New History
    
    by Laurence Rees
    
    4.63 · Rating details · 336 Ratings · 47 Reviews
    This book answers two fundamental questions about the Holocaust. How, and why, did it happen?
    
    Laurence Rees’ masterpiece is revealing in three ways. First, it is based not only on the latest academic research, but also on 25 years of interviewing survivors and perpetrators, often at the sites of the events, many of whom have never had their words published before. Second, the book is not just about the Jews – the Nazis would have murdered many more non-Jews had they won the war – and not just about Germans. Third, as Rees shows, there was no single ‘decision’ to start the Holocaust – there was a series of escalations, most often when the Nazi leadership interacted with their grassroots supporters.
    
    Through a chronological narrative, featuring the latest historical research and compelling eyewitness testimony, this is the story of the worst crime in history.
    
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/32048753-the-holocaust
    
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    December 23, 2017 5:43pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Mary wasn’t the most voluptuous historian I’ve ever seen Steph darling.
      My vote for which historian I’d like to explore the fleshpots of ancient Rome with would have to be Bettany Hughes! 🙂
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=bettany+hughes&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiNldDlq5_YAhVEW7wKHZghDqMQ_AUICigB&biw=1666&bih=882#imgrc=CTp3YLGc_yox7M:
      
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      December 23, 2017 5:54pm
    - Jack5
      
      No surprise the Stephiestanis like Mary Beard.
      
      She sticks up for racial minorities, including Britain’s Pakistanis and Bangladeshis.
      
      She’s a bit of a pop historian, active in TV, with a fairly widely read blog, and active on Twitter. Must be rough on Mary, as a feminist, spending so much time studying the masculine world of Rome. But at least the Romans didn’t make women cover their faces, nor did they mutilate female children’s genitalia.
      
      https://www.the-tls.co.uk/category/a-dons-life/
      
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      December 23, 2017 8:25pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      Thanks for your response.
      
      You should check in with Tom Hunter. He had an extensive reading list this time last year! And EAD had a reading suggestion too!
      
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      December 23, 2017 8:31pm
Jack5

The Leftist hack Finlay Macdonald and Radio NZ are two peas in a socialist pod.

On the Radio NZ web site, Macdonald continues his veneration of Ardern. National is “old” and Ardern is “young” seems to be one theme.

Ardern is 37. Macdonald has been scribbling for more than 30 years. Age is relative, I guess.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/346875/2017-mmp-comes-of-age
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December 23, 2017 6:10pm
- Harkman
  
  Finlay Macdonald is one gigantic moron. If you read his columns from 6-7 years ago it is obvious how spectacularly wrong his politics are.
  
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  December 23, 2017 7:51pm
nasska

But I put it to you your honour, that once adorned with tinsel & decorations it was no longer a cannabis plant but a Christmas tree!
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December 23, 2017 6:24pm
tom hunter

Ten thousand two hundred and four comments.

In just over ten years.

That’s about three comments per day, although I’ve taken month’s long breaks at various times. And there were probably several hundred comments before that, back to 2003 under a pseudonym.

And here’s the first comment I made in 2007 under the then new registration system, and it’s about DPF’s shocked discovery that racism is not such until it’s connected with the power to oppress. I find myself as amused now as I was then at the naivety of someone expected to be anything but naive.

But while the notion has been cleverly broadened far beyond racism the real impact has come from its being welded to the thinking of the modern political left. After all, they represent all the powerless and oppressed of this world do they not?

It enables any Left-wing movement to justify almost action to gain the power of the state and hold on to it, for even after holding such power for years or even decades they can still claim that they are powerless, at the mercy of mysterious, hidden forces in society that can be countered in no other way.

Hate is Love. War is Peace.

Pah, crude! Power is Powerlessness is infinitely more subtle and brilliant.

Sadly, little has changed on these fronts except to get worse. Little did I know that I was describing Identity Politics and Intersectionality, which are even crazier. It often feels like the same fights just never end, but if Maggie regarded that as normal and gloried in such combat, why shouldn’t I?

Still, I’m wary of entering the Pete George/mikenmild world with 30,000 or so comments (watch it Manolo 🙂 ) and I can’t see the point of attacking Green-Labour for three years, in the way Helen & Co. were attacked here, only to get John Key II in 2020/23 or 26 as part of the daily soap opera. So perhaps it’s time to become a contributor to KB in a different way? As the MSM continues to collapse it’s going to become more important than ever to get alternative arguments in front of people. The worry I personally have is that I’m losing whatever goodwill I had about my ideological opponents, not to mention increasingly entertaining the thought that the MSM is not just stupid and ignorant but is deliberately lying in many cases: thinking such things is not healthy for debate.

Still, as that great philosopher Hans Gruber said in one of the greatest ever Xmas movies, “It’s Christmas, Theo. It’s the time of miracles, so be of good cheer.”.

And on that note, the tree is up, as well as the lights – with our place looking its Chicago best (minus the snow) – though as I look around the ‘hood it’s more like seeing South Korea & North Korea from orbit! So it’s time to once again hit the hammock, the cold beers and the books. Not as much reading as last year; I’ve almost emptied the front window seat space that was piled high – but the final stretch of Foote’s The Civil War remains, plus Hamilton and Democracy in NZ (some 1905 French piece) will have to suffice, together with whatever I get for Christmas. And lets hope Caro doesn’t drop dead before finishing Volume V of his LBJ biography. Even knowing the catastrophe to come it’s going to be a great read.

Thanks once again to those commentators who have truly engaged – Ed Snack, Maggy Wassilieff, Phil Best, Kimbo, Lucia (after allowing for mild TDS 🙂 ), Dime, AOR, Nasska, Calendar Girl, Pharmachick, Waikatogirl, Nostradamus, F E Smith and others like them. The ladies should be especially noted considering the shit some of them have to put up with here! We should be bloody thankful to have the likes of them here getting stuck in rather than the usual safe-space-seeking, micro-aggression triggered snowflakes one encounters on other blogs. Also special thanks to Kimbo for not allowing me to be an entirely lone voice on baseball here in the last two years, despite employing an outrageous and cruel thousand-cuts torture strategy on me throughout 2016 as the Cubs chased their dream.

I hope you all have a lovely Christmas, New Year, and 2018.
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December 23, 2017 6:25pm
- Kimbo
  
  Have a good one, tom. The new government with a full year of scrutiny, and no distractions or cutting short of the media scrutiny of their activities, and with a will and want to spend your hard-earned money, especially those cancelled tax cuts. Will be amusing. 😉
  
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  December 23, 2017 6:48pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Merry Christmas Tom, Seasons greetings, happy holidays and lots of cheer from the Waikato. ?
  
  Merry Christmas to everyone else on KB too. ???
  
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  December 23, 2017 7:41pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Tom Hunter:
  
  I’m wary of entering the Pete George/mikenmild world with 30,000 or so comments (watch it Manolo ? ) and I can’t see the point of attacking Green-Labour for three years, in the way Helen & Co. were attacked here, only to get John Key II in 2020/23 or 26 as part of the daily soap opera. So perhaps it’s time to become a contributor to KB in a different way?
  
  I enjoy your current contributions but, if you insist, the occasional guest post from you would also be well-received!
  
  Merry Christmas and see you on the other side in 2018!
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:38pm
  - Jack5
    
    Nosty, your “see you on the other side in 2018!”
    
    Are we going to get Kiwiblog posts through the Clairvoyant email system, Psychic Net?
    
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    December 23, 2017 8:46pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      I’m working on it Jack5 – just having a few technical issues!
      
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      December 23, 2017 9:09pm
Johnboy

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/100147983/former-miss-americas-slam-pageant-chief-over-explicit-and-offensive-emails
That’s dreadful eh. I’d have no qualms over shagging either Mallory or Gretchen.
Some folk are just so damned fussy! 🙂
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December 23, 2017 6:26pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Johnboy:
  
  I’d have no qualms over shagging ~~either~~ Mallory or and Gretchen in a raunchy all-night threesome!
  
  I think that’s what you meant to say? 🙂
  
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  December 23, 2017 8:40pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Did someone say “threesome”?
    
    https://static2.stuff.co.nz/1398152427/530/9967530.jpg
    
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    December 23, 2017 8:54pm
    - Jack5
      
      Morrissey, you’re obviously titivated by troilism.
      
      Ask Santa to leave a couple of whores under your Christmas tree!
      
      Or if you don’t believe in Santa, splash out and treat yourself to a couple.
      
      Better make your will first, in case you blow a gasket in the workout.
      
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      December 23, 2017 9:05pm
nasska

The Pope’s Christmas message this year calls for people of all faiths to put aside their differences and unite in love and compassion.

And shoot all the benders.
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December 23, 2017 7:33pm
- Digmen1
  
  The Pope is an idiot.
  Muslims hate Christians, we are infidels!
  He visits Rohingas, but stands by and lets Christians be massacred in Egypt etc
  
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  December 23, 2017 10:12pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    Few Darwinians would condone murder, of course, but the Manson case shows what can happen to someone who puts their faith in the teachings of Darwin and his disciples.
    
    Well, after 45 years in prison for the heinous murders he instigated, Charles Manson has finally met his Maker. Many in the public have held a kind of horrified fascination for the cult hero whose “Manson family” shocked the world in 1969 with some of the bloodiest, cruelist, most senseless murders known up to that time. How many who have followed the case, though, realize that the motivations for his murderous rampage included the teachings of Nietzsche, a fervent disciple of Darwin? Even conservative news reports often overlook that point (example on WND). Jerry Bergman (a CEH contributor) connects the dots in his book, How Darwinism Corrupts Morality.
    
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    December 23, 2017 11:26pm
Jack5

Here’s an interesting English Conservative, an Anglican priest, who:

– Lambasts students who want freedom of speech only for themselves.

– Thought the Charles Hedbo journalists had “neglected their moral duty” not to cause gratuitous offence to Muslims.

– Supported the killing of Osama bin Laden.

– Has written in The Times that the British must “not feel guilty about our colonial history” and rebuked those who believe that “apologising for empire is now compulsory.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5207687/Oxford-home-Tory-loathing-anti-Israel-academics.html#ixzz524G2C5WZ
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December 23, 2017 8:41pm
Jack5

Will Dame Devoid try to get Princess Michael of Kent blocked from entry to New Zealand?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5204907/Princess-Michael-Kent-wears-racist-Blackamoor-brooch.html
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December 23, 2017 9:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , has it occurred to you that Meghan might be a closeted Jihadist given her mixed African American and Caucasian heritage ?
  
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  December 23, 2017 9:33pm
Surely Knott

Rnz has an O’sexism feminist Chrismas carol. Your state funded media tax dollars at work!. We definitely need a version of our own. This is a rought draft.

Oh Leftism, Oh Leftism
Your virtue signalling is so wide ranging
Oh Leftism, Oh Leftism
Your facebook posts are amazing.

Your posts say you love refugees
But really you don’t know any.

Your posts decry New Zealands poor
But you don’t donate anymore

Please spare us your hypocrisy
Please spare us your sanct-i-mony

Oh leftism Oh Leftism
Your virtue seems unrivalled
Oh Leftism Oh Leftism
You tax us till we’re suicidal
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December 23, 2017 9:46pm
JasonJohns

Evolution has a basic problem. It has no starting point. When you nail an evolutionist down, they usually resort to the “seed of life” came from somewhere else in the universe. Franco was a very complex man, a very hard fighter and a dictator like many other European leaders History will eventually judge him properly if written by honest historians without an ideological ax to grind.Otherwise, they have to acknowledge a “creator of the universe”, and, since that creator seems indistinguishable from God, they don’t want to do that. Making their problem even harder is the fact that their favorite theory of the physical universe has a beginning!That was not the context I was thinking of. Not to mention that free-market considerations could keep it from becoming a boondoggle anyway.One of the real things that shows that Evolutionists don’t believe in evolution is that they support preserving “endangered species”. And now the highway is open, although most of it is dirt. Some parts are just a single-lane road measuring just about six feet in width. But hey the extinction of an under-performing species in favor of a more adapted species would be desirable and would give them a chance to finally demonstrate the holy grail of evolution: a new species actually appearing by evolution from a preceding species.
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