General Debate 21 December 2017

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Dave Stringer

Merry ? Christmas to all my fellow journeymen here.
Be safe, be kind and be happy.
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December 21, 2017 8:03am
- Keeping Stock
  
  And the same to you and yours, and to all who lurk around Kiwiblog; even those with whom I vehemently disagree. May you all be touched by the miracle of Christmas.
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:05am
- Victor Omega
  
  Someone downticked! Smh. Sprinkle a little salt here.. a little there..
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:17am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    To neutralise the vinegar the sourpusses splatter about here
    
    Good cheer to them as well otherwise I would be reading the fish wrapper
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:53am
    - Tricati
      
      Hope its not Cindy’s fish wrapper – that’s special
      
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      December 21, 2017 11:40am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Victor: probably just a couple of mobile phone slips. Let’s assume they didn’t mean it.
    
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    December 21, 2017 1:48pm
- lofty
  
  Thanks Dave, all the best to all KBrs.
  
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  December 21, 2017 10:07am
Jimmy

The US has passed tax cuts, even with their giant deficit.

We have a much healthier surplus, but now carpenters, plumbers, farmers, soldiers, checkout operators, vets and all other working NZers don’t get tax relief – instead, we get to pay for rich middle class kids to have a free first year of university studying politics and philosophy!

I would rather a tax cut, say in the realm of $1036 per annum? Is that too much to ask?
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December 21, 2017 8:05am
- waikatogirl
  
  Not too much at all, in a sane world Jimmy. ?
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:07am
- Paulus
  
  You must be a peasant who does not agree with our Commie Socialist Government.
  Your name will be taken.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:11am
  - waikatogirl
    
    It will be a long list Paulus! ?
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:12am
  - cmm
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GTVV6XHfP4
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:26am
  - Prince
    
    This is where the Nats went wrong.
    Tax cuts should have been in place at least since last April, if not a year before.
    Nats built a nice little surplus and now have to stand back and watch the CoL throw it around with narry a ‘thank you’.
    Lesson learnt – next National Government – cut taxes and operate a small deficit – make the Left run an election campaign on taking money out of the pockets of workers.
    Don’t build a nest egg for the Left to raid and call their own.
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:45am
    - Paulus
      
      Understand IRD could not handle changes before April 2018.
      
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      December 21, 2017 11:11am
      - backster
        
        And yet the Yanks changes become effective as soon as the Don signs the Bill.
        
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        December 21, 2017 11:28am
      - lastmanstanding
        
        Bullshit. The officials all say that. The then Commerce Commission told Simon Power it would take at least 5 years to get the FMA up and running and the other changes to the old Securities Act. Simon told them 18 months and they did it.
        
        Remember it only took 7 minutes for the House to pass the gold plated super scheme.
        
        They cant do it. Just dont want to do it.
        
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        December 21, 2017 11:30am
  - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
    
    There is nothing left for me to do. 🙂
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:13am
    - sooty
      
      Yes there is! Recall ztev.
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:24am
      - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
        
        Records show no Comrade ztev. Are you sure he’s one of ours?
        
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        December 21, 2017 11:39am
      - sooty
        
        Yep! He’s an idiot. Carn’t be one of ours.
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:21pm
  - alloytoo
    
    Dissenters will exiled to the Kermadecs……luckily they will be able to subsist on fish….
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:59am
- Suze Wainwright
  
  You forgot Sociology as a subject to study as well… (But look on the bright side – at least they’ll get to understand MMP!)
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:12am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I would not mind forgoing the $20/wk tax cut if the money was spent wisely. My view is shared by many National MPs.
  
  There are cancer patients waiting too long for treatment. Sadly, the money mostly is not being spent wisely.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:13am
  - kowtow
    
    Cancer patients wait while we up the Syrian intake ?
    
    That happened under Notional.
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:15am
  - Jimmy
    
    I would also be a lot happier, if the money was spent wisely.
    
    The irony is that I firmly believe in charity and giving as much as I can to deserving charities – however, the government thinks they can do better through their bureaucratic and large scale welfare than charities can through targeted and responsible help!
    
    But when the money is spent on something as silly as university subsidies (already heavily subsidised and increasingly suffering from grade inflation), how is that wise spending? If everyone has a university degree, how do they become better off?
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:16am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Agreed.
      
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      December 21, 2017 8:21am
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Jimmy, you are making a connection that isn’t there. Money isn’t being spent on university subsidies, its being spent on BUYING VOTES.
      
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      December 21, 2017 1:53pm
  - holysheet
    
    But you are okay with your messiah, the drunken dwarf and his associate Angry, wasting $24 million in their attempt to go into Pike River Mine?
    
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    December 21, 2017 11:23am
- SGA
  
  studying politics and philosophy
  
  Although I’m not a big fan of the “free-first year” concept, I think you’ll find that there are a lot more students studying things such as medicine, engineering, law, architecture, vet science, dentistry, optometry, audiology, and science in general rather than the Arts (let alone politics and philosophy in particular). Just saying.
  (Add: Of course, there are a lot doing Commerce subjects as well (accountancy, management, marketing, economics, whatever) – but I will leave people to decide whether that’s a good thing or a bad thing for themselves 🙂
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:20am
  - Jimmy
    
    Yes, and those disciplines will lead to careers that can easily pay for a small portion of the total cost of their tertiary education.
    
    Without a cost to pay, many people will study any old nonsense, and why not? The tertiary education sector is shockingly bloated as it is, this makes it worse for no overall gain to NZ.
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:34am
    - SGA
      
      Without a cost to pay, many people will study any
      old nonsense, and why not?
      
      Will they Jimmy? It will be interesting to see what happens, but I’d be surprised if Philosophy (say)enrolments go through the roof.
      As I understand it, the “free” bit only applies to tuition fees – living costs (in particular, costs for flatting or “dorms”) still have to be met. Or maybe I’ve got that wrong?
      
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      December 21, 2017 8:48am
      - dime
        
        prepare to be surprised
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:00am
      - Happychappy
        
        They were given a xtra $50.00 a week in their living costs also.
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:50am
      - SGA
        
        For most, that will be an extra $50/week that they can loan, rather than a payment (in my son’s case, anyway). Not sure how many actually qualify for the allowance.
        
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        December 21, 2017 11:04am
      - waikatogirl
        
        $50/wk for 38 weeks (length of study year) = $1900. Not bad for an extra help with living costs. BONUS!
        
        If unemployed why would you stay on the dole being hassled by WINZ when you can have a year, hopefully studying, but perhaps just pissing around enjoying yourself and the extra $ to spend.
        
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        December 21, 2017 11:31am
  - Paulus
    
    My G’daughter did Politics, Sociology – BA and
    major Economics for BCom at Ak Uni.
    She felt it would give her a well balanced cross section from which she had enough variation and balance to get a good job.
    In Wellington now after two years, she had a number of good offers from Commerce (Banks) various Departments, after Uni.
    She now with a major Ministry with variations of positions which she enjoys.
    We watch with interest now with new Ministers who think they are more clever than the Departments.
    
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    December 21, 2017 11:20am
    - holysheet
      
      Really Paulus?
      She now with a major Ministry with variations of positions which she enjoys.
      
      I am sure you didn’t mean that like it read.?
      
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      December 21, 2017 11:26am
- igm
  
  And now girly boy Hipkins has decided not to arrest student loan repayment evaders.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:24am
  - calendar girl
    
    Sorry, didn’t see this comment while entering my longer one below at 8:30am.
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:35am
  - Dave Stringer
    
    This is real welfare for you. Stop collecting repayments from people who used our money to get a qualification that enables them to get well paid work overseas. The thing hardly gets used, and clearly on the worst witholders it works. However, that’s beside the point, the darlings shouldn’t have to be chased, it might cause some form of stress which could make them eligible for a life on ACC
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:40am
  - srylands
    
    Yes which could be very costly. Only found people have been arrested at the border. But that scares the shit out of hundreds of defaulters who then contact ird and come to a repayment arrangement.
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:42am
  - rangitoto
    
    Cool. No need to pay back loans then. Does that apply to my mortgage?
    
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    December 21, 2017 11:21am
    - Humble Capitalist
      
      Why bother paying the mortgage? It’s homes for all remember?
      
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      December 21, 2017 6:26pm
- ztev
  
  US doesnt use accrual accounting for its government spending like we do, but uses ‘cash’ accounting
  Australia has a foot in both camps, the Treasury uses cash while Finance department uses accrual.
  
  So their $45 bill deficit becomes something like $7 bill
  
  NZs surplus ?
  We are still borrowing $7 bill for the year, based on Treasury Debt Management office numbers
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:20am
- Scott
  
  Even the Germans are worried about the American tax cuts! They worry that the US economy will become far more competitive and that jobs and businesses will relocate to America.
  
  Isn’t that an amazing idea? If we cut taxes here we could reasonably expect to attract investment and businesses and create jobs. This would be good for the ordinary working person here in New Zealand.
  
  The funny thing is that the ordinary working person here in New Zealand is supposed to be represented by the Labour government. But as I posted yesterday, for purely ideological reasons it will be a cool day in hell before this government cuts taxes.
  
  http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/12/germans-fear-tax-cut-will-spur-us-investment-and-growth.php
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:20am
  - ztev
    
    Its just blather…
    US has cut company tax rates before, there wasnt any big burst in job creation
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:41am
    - axeman
      
      That’s bullshit booby. For more than 80 years the political left has opposed what it calls ‘tax cuts for the rich’. But big cuts in very high tax rates (including corporate taxes) created more investment and jobs, and ended up bringing in more revenue to the government in the Coolidge, Kennedy, Reagan and Dubbya 43 administrations. This included more – repeat, MORE – tax revenue from the people in the highest income brackets than before.
      
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      December 21, 2017 3:56pm
      - gump
        
        Would you care to explain why the radical tax cuts that Governor Sam Brownback introduced into Kansas in 2012 have been repealed by the GOP after they didn’t produce any measurable economic growth and plunged the government into massive deficits?
        
        https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/tax-trump-kansas/542532/
        
        The idea that tax cuts will pay for themselves through growth has been proven not to work. It is yet another failed ideology.
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:18pm
Komata

Jimmy

Re: ‘I would rather a tax cut, say in the realm of $1036 per annum? Is that too much to ask?’

When the socialists are in charge unfortunately it is, since their policy is borrow borrow borrow and also tax the ‘rich pricks’ at the same time.

‘It’s New Zealand Jim; but not as you knew it…’
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December 21, 2017 8:10am
redeye

The zero carbon emissions goal, which was originally in the 100 day plan, has now been delayed to allow them time to consult. Which is code for find someone that thinks its even remotely achievable.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99958026/government-to-consult-before-drafting-zero-carbon-act-to-reduce-emissions
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December 21, 2017 8:13am
- VicParking
  
  Just like the 100,000 new homes has become 1,000
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:21am
  - artemisia
    
    We have been almost promised one by mid 2018. A grand start.
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:59am
    - sooty
      
      Not on green feilds, they won’t.
      It has to be in an existing subdivision.
      The rest of the houses will be cheaper.
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:30am
  - alloytoo
    
    They’ll start counting the one’s Housing NZ isn’t allowed to sell…..
    
    ….and probably the one’s Housing NZ won’t be able to build now for lack of capital.
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:05am
    - waikatogirl
      
      The news report damned National for selling off existing state housing, then at the end it was reported that the change to smaller, and different sized housing to suit differing needs would continue. Twitford is certainly a bit confused about his direction.
      
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      December 21, 2017 10:32am
      - alloytoo
        
        What?
        
        Twyford will still evict Granny from the state home she’s occupied all her life just so some other bludger can use it?
        
        Tell me it ain’t so.
        
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        December 21, 2017 11:17am
      - artemisia
        
        Certainly are different needs now. When I worked in the social housing sector in Auckland, demand for state housing was from households with one or more children. A lot of solo parents with one child. Many two parent families with children.
        
        These days nearly half of those on the social housing register are waiting for a 1 bedroom place. So single people or couples, no children.
        
        That’s a big change in recent years and supply of one beddies has not caught up. Reasons for the change are no doubt many, but disability requiring extra support will be a biggie. And the sell off of pensioner housing in many areas. And of course that cheap rent.
        
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        December 21, 2017 11:35am
      - waikatogirl
        
        No sadly Alloytoo, Liarbor have guaranteed sitting tenants their right to stay in state houses. Some old duck and her elderly hubby (close to their 80’s) were rejoicing that they wouldn’t be forced from “their house”.
        
        I have an issue with those who insist on staying in 3-4 bedroom statehouses long after their families have moved out. Nevermind about the next generation needing the larger houses.
        I’m all right Jack!
        
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        December 21, 2017 11:38am
      - Liberty
        
        “ Twyford will still evict Granny”
        
        It will all depend if you are on Twyford’s list.
        Top of the list
        Chinese sounding names.
        Tennents that grow vegetables.
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:36pm
  - Lance
    
    No no no
    You just misheard;
    It was 100 AND a thousand over umpteen years.
    
    Would Labour lie to you?
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:20am
- KevOB
  
  It can be put off for 50 years,.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:32am
  - KevOB
    
    Perhaps longer now NASA is reporting the sun is bringing global cooling.
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:05pm
- srylands
  
  In a rare foray to The Standard a few days back I said that there were no feasible policies to achieve zero emissions.
  
  I was accused of having “extreme views”. ?
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:46am
  - Longknives
    
    Ha Ha Did you get a Ban?
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:59am
    - stigie
      
      They just love srylands at the Stranded so they can keep calling him stupid names. Tossers !~
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:07am
      - Tarquin North
        
        I had a similar problem, getting banned fixed that. All I did was suggest vouchers for welfare were a good idea.
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:41am
    - srylands
      
      Not sure. Don’t care.
      
      One of their regular commentators has been advocating an end to all motorised land, sea, and air travel.
      
      Apparently these are not “extreme views”.
      
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      December 21, 2017 12:20pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Fair enough too as you were spreading an obvious falsehood. “Reversing the Industrial Revolution” is “feasible” in theory! ?
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:02am
    - alloytoo
      
      So is mass genocide…..oh wait they’re effectively the same thing aren’t they?
      
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      December 21, 2017 10:08am
      - Kimbo
        
        Worked for Cambodia!
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:24am
EAD_TWO

Twitter is currently doing a mass cull of right wing Twitter accounts in what must amount to the largest ever case of “digital book burning” in history

http://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-twitter-white-nationalists-20171218-story.html

If you can see through the wall of propoganda accompanying it (basically overloading us with the usual terms – “far-right/Hate/extremist and their all time favourite “racist), by deleting right-wing personalities & groups Twitter is making a statement.

That statement is:

“We support the world-wide media cover up of rapes & murders committed by migrants, the spread of misinformation regarding Islam & terrorism and the ethnic replacement of White people”
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December 21, 2017 8:14am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  I don’t always agree with the views you post EAD but I agree it is a slippery slope the day we start denying people the right to express them.
  There is an insidious creep of totalitarian thinking occuring in the western world lead by a generation who think their views and opinions matter the most; abetted and enabled by the supposed learning institutions who are supposed to challenge this.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:21am
  - stephieboy
    
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    SC, slippery slope ? utter Bollux . EAD TWO is Code for Anti Semitism and White Supremacy !
    
    Fact !
    
    And you ?
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:16am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      You are focusing on the individual not the issue.
      
      So you think views that you find objectionable should be repressed? Regardless of EADs views he most certainly should have the right to espouse them.
      Who decides what is deemed objectionable? Should guest speakers at universities be denied their platform just because a handful of objectors demand this? That is a slippery slope Stephieboy – I suggest you learn your history.
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:55am
      - Lance
        
        An ignore setting would be bloody nice though, even scrolling past EAD TWOs vile shit makes me want to shower afterwards
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:23am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Well said SC. There are views and opinions (as opposed to actual physical violence and destruciton of property) that we all might disagree with, to varying degrees. But those views should be shut down by counter debate, rather than unilaterally by someone acting as God.
        
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        December 21, 2017 1:58pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        It always struck me that burning books was pointless because the *ideas* survived. But that’s why I find the current climate of shouting down and/or preventing alternate views being spoken about (whether left or right is irrelevant) is so dangerous. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and things just fester and smolder in the darkness.
        
        Agreed, SC; “learn your history” indeed.
        
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        December 21, 2017 3:29pm
  - ztev
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Its a private business , they can ban/cull who they like
    Every blog in NZ does it all the time.
    
    ” I agree it is a slippery slope the day we start denying people the right to express them..”
    wrong wrong wrong
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:23am
    - flipper
      
      … Oh well, here we go again.
      Stupidboy, zetev mallard duck and Morrissey have got their riding instructions from Fraser House and Dyke Simpson so they are already defending the Peters-Ardern Regime’s indefensible actions – those already taken or promised/implied.
      I disagree with many EAD posts, but I defend his right to express his views, and today I think he is also right.
      As for would be posters and those whose views differ from DPF….. well on many I think DPF is wrong, has views based upon bedtime stories, or is far too soft. And I have said so. But I am still here and when I have the time to express my views forcefully, I really enjoy the platform and freedom that he provides.
      So, until idiots like Stupidboy, zetev mallard duck and Morrissey, learn that, their rubbish does not warrant the time to type a reply !!!!!
      
      BTW ….. Thanks DPF !!
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:38am
      - Morrissey
        
        I take my riding instructions from Fraser House, do I? I’m intrigued: please tell us more.
        
        In the meantime, you might like to explain how these posts, all by this writer (i.e., moi) support your thesis….
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-06022015/#comment-964190
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16062013/#comment-649149
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-06012014/#comment-753962
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:26pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Ztev isn’t quite wrong about the private business issue. But that’s the beauty of private business, we can ‘walk out’ too and find a more liberal one. Twitser will lose and learn.
        
        Our real danger is in ‘hate speech’ laws that make it illegal to ‘offend’ or criticize someone else’s ideology because it’s a ‘religion’.
        
        I’d agree that a large internet business culling in this way is a step towards those kind of ‘hate speech’ laws.
        
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        December 21, 2017 2:30pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Every blog in NZ?
      With respect – the contrarian line you take ad nasueum seems to have a platform here does it not?
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:58am
      - ztev
        
        believe me there are increasingly longer bans.
        Thats just the way it is, you wont find me thinking its unjust.
        The Golden Rule prevails
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:44am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    EAD lumps together two totally different issues though: islamism and ethnicity.
    
    I don’t care what colour people are, as long as they are decent people who believe we all have the same human rights.
    
    Some of the people most skilled in medicine, classical music, and who are most educated, polite and pleasant to deal with, for instance, are Asians.
    
    Islamists, on the other hand, want a theocracy: ‘kuffar’, gays, women would not have full human rights.
    
    Islamists can be of any race, including European. I’d rather have my black and Asian friends here than a white islamist.
    
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    December 21, 2017 2:21pm
- G152
  
  So sign up for Gab.
  Leave the left echo chambers and join the real world 🙂
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:25am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Many may not have caught it but Jack5 posted a great example late at night of just what the NZ MSM is doing in trying to start a race war.
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_19_december_2017.html#comment-2102831
  
  They’re basically printing lies to frame a narrative that White New Zealanders are foaming at the mouth racists.
  
  It’s utterly disgusting and why denying people a platform in places like Twitter, means there is no way to counter their narrative.
  
  Just what is their agenda?
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:25am
  - stephieboy
    
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    EAD TWO , I’m white and I don’t feel framed and definitely not paranoid like Jack and You !
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:19am
    - GazzaW
      
      Are you speaking as stephieboy of the day or the entire stephieboy squad?
      
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      December 21, 2017 10:05am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      What’s white?
      
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      December 21, 2017 4:37pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Whats black ?
        
        DUH !
        
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        December 21, 2017 5:18pm
Salacious Crumb

Is it too much to ask that our governments start to encourage even a modicum of personal responsibility? You borrow the money; you pay it back.

Education Minister Chris Hipkins has now indicated the controversial measure, introduced by the last government to claw back taxpayer money, could soon be reviewed.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11963389

Why is it that rather than people take ownership of their decisions in life, the taxpayer has to carry the load?
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December 21, 2017 8:14am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  It is the socialist way comrade! There must be something wrong with you if you are not getting the warm fuzzies after you have paid, paid again, paid a bit more, added GST, paid again, and again . . . . . .
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:23am
- alloytoo
  
  hmmm, seems to me Grant’s wafer thin margin of error just got thinner.
  
  (or his fiscal hole got deeper…….)
  
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  December 21, 2017 10:14am
mandk

I see from an article on Stuff that Hipkins said he was a bit of a square peg in a round hole at school.

Why then is he aiming to shut down partnership schools and force all the square peg kids back into round holes in the mainstream system?

He’s a real vindictive, doctrinaire shit, if ever there was one.
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December 21, 2017 8:14am
- Paulus
  
  Hipkins is an ignorant, nasty, very small man, way out of his depth according to the people who understand education – not the Teacher’s Union, to whom he is beholden, – if he had the intelligence.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:18am
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    teachers unions are not affiliated to NZ labour party , nor are they big donors
    
    Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing (EPMU)
    Dairy Workers
    Meat Workers and Related Trades
    Rail and Maritime Transport
    Service and Food Workers (SFW)
    
    Do you see any teacher Unions there. An ex police union leader is an MP. Police union dont donate or are affiliated to LP.
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:27am
    - Swifty
      
      A mirage.
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:43am
    - Lance
      
      And everyone rolls their eyes
      
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      December 21, 2017 10:25am
    - GazzaW
      
      Of course not ztev. Teachers unions are way too smart to be directly associated with Labour. How many are Labour Party members? How many provide unpaid work at campaign time? How many spread the party message in the staffroom? There’s more ways to skin a cat…………
      
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      December 21, 2017 2:01pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Big donor? Any donation?
      
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      December 21, 2017 4:45pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    The hilarious thing is Paulus, that Unions are supposed to protect their employees from their employers.
    Who are the employers of teachers? Oh, that’s right, you and me. Taxpayers.
    So have a laugh at that. Teachers are protecting themselves against the nasty taxpayer.
    
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    December 21, 2017 2:02pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Fool, if you knew anything at all—and I doubt that you do—you would be aware that teachers have earned and enjoy overwhelming support from parents of the children they teach. This was made abundantly clear during the furore over the Key regime’s attempt to get rid of woodwork and metalwork teaching in intermediate schools, and in the almost total rejection, by teachers and parents of another disastrous Key regime “education reform”, the (now thankfully abolished) “national standards” fiasco.
      
      Teacher unions, like all unions, protect their members against threats—and the worst threat to teachers and students since Lange’s disastrous spell as Minister of Education has been the last nine years of arrogant maladministration.
      
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      December 21, 2017 5:55pm
      - Pharmachick
        
        As the daughter of a “woodwork and metalwork” teacher – well he was in the ’80s and ’90s – most recently he’s the “technology” teacher at the intermediate… I salute you Morrissey. Not a common stance on my part.
        
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        December 21, 2017 6:07pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Labour and Luddites, both begin with L.
  
  One has already been confined to the dustbin of history as a failure and the other sees that failure as the way forward.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:27am
- Piniwi
  
  Funny mandk that the Commie Chick spent so much time in her election campaign visiting State schools yet would not answer the question from Bill English. “Will the PM visit a Charter school and talk to the pupils?”
  
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  December 21, 2017 5:17pm
Monique Watson

Bitcoin has gone tits up. Meanwhile DRNK lobbed one into the Sea of Japan. Fuckers
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December 21, 2017 8:15am
- Harkman
  
  Well it was a gigantic elaborate bubble at $200.
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:01am
Paulus

I see that a bloke called Peters, who has woken from his comatose state for Christmas, is trying to get noticed again in conjunction with the NZME lot about a duly elected MP like him because he has a Chinese background and name.
Surely Peters’s Anglo/Ngapuhi background should be explored as they were/are a warrior tribe.
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December 21, 2017 8:15am
- Harkman
  
  Is that a Pocahontas hint?
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:02am
oldpark

Was wondering as the Peters selected “Coalition of Chaos and Confusion” depart for the Christmas break and return at the end of January 2018.
Will be interesting what new surprises will the bunch of no hopers and bludgers have in store for NZs.
So far after stuffing up consumer confidence turning it into the lowest since Lie-bour/Green reign in 2008.That is just the beginning of a dim dark future for NZs.
Can the cabal of bums stiffs and no hopers called Lie-bour/Green /Peters/CTU/mafias wreak more of the same type of sabotage on NZs economy and well being and lifestyle of hard working Tax paying NZs.
So far the wage earners and taxpayers have been given a huge boot in the guts.Tax cuts and Super increases have been eliminated .All led by and fuelled by the wee dictator called Peters.Talk about put a beggar on horseback and they will ride to hell .Peters and his Coalition of no hopers bumbs and stiffs certainly qualify.
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December 21, 2017 8:16am
kowtow

An insight into how China and Africa operate?

“Ho agreed to pay and offer money and other things of value to foreign officials in Africa, including the president of Chad, the minister of foreign affairs of Uganda, and president of Uganda, to obtain business for a Shanghai-based energy conglomerate,” the indictment read.”

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/section-news.php?id=190905&sid=11
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December 21, 2017 8:18am
- cmm
  
  Good old Africa… where bribery will get you anything you want.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:47am
  - Lance
    
    Somebody I knew was caught with class A drugs in an African nation (yes.. he was a shit for brains back then).
    The penalty in law was life imprisonment.
    The bribe to get him released; A bottle of Johnny Walker and US$100.
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:28am
- Dave Mann
  
  Yes, but the amazing thing is that this was published in a HONG KONG newspaper and it relates to CHINESE business!
  
  Obviously a certain amount of freedom is allowed in the Chinese press, which is hopeful. I don’t think its just that this bloke is ruined and is ‘being made an example of’, because the corruption relates to some big Chinese state energy companies, so it must be an example of some press freedom.
  
  Another interesting HK journal is the South China Morning Post which often has some interesting and insightful news. Unlike the NZ Herald, for example, which is mainly socialist propaganda and Hollywood PR handouts.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:54am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s not amazing as HK has a degree of freedom that China hasn’t.
    
    The defendant is a former very senior member of the HK gummint. Failing to report this would be a huge indictment of the press in HK , who do operate self censorship in their own interests .
    
    You may like this website.
    
    Hong Kong Free Press
    
    https://www.hongkongfp.com
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:27am
Monique Watson

DPRK. Sorry.
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December 21, 2017 8:18am
Poppa

As I will be out of circulation for a while I take this opportunity to wish all here a Merry Xmas & safe travels.

2018 is shaping up to be an interesting year as our Morrinsville princess goes about her socialist agenda propped up by that venal Peters.

How long can it last? Hopefully not very long, I have a headache already
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December 21, 2017 8:25am
- Paulus
  
  Being as thick as a cow shit brick she will ignore everything with which she disagrees and do as H1 and H2 tell her.
  She will never resign and when she is forced to get out it is will be a very nasty snarling scene.
  
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  December 21, 2017 2:03pm
  - simpleton1
    
    “will be a very nasty snarling scene”
    full of sobs, as control is lost,
    then end in floods of tears
    
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    December 21, 2017 2:12pm
kowtow

Trump was right about Sweden.

“Local police had made a much-criticised public statement advising women not to go out alone after darkness following the brutal rape of a 17-year old girl in central Malmö at the weekend.”

https://www.thelocal.se/20171218/malmo-police-retract-unfortunate-advice-warning-women-not-to-go-out-alone-after-dark
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December 21, 2017 8:26am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Shocking Kowtow.
  
  I only found out about this case on Twitter. One would think the MSM would be all over this utterly shocking case.
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/PeterSweden7/status/942540648242130945
  
  The same Twitter user from Sweden reported that all of the Bonnier Family controlled MSM that collectively own 90% of the Swedish MSM have beem running diversion this week by giving no details and launching a “Sweden is full of racists” campaign.
  
  More in the Bonnier Family below:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonnier_family
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:51am
- lifesgood
  
  Malmo is a shit hole. I’ve been there. It is packed with muslims and angry looking people of middle eastern appearance. A gorgeously picturesque town is now littered with rubbish and you get scowls if you meet someone’s eye. Sweden is reaping what it sowed. I wonder when ordinary Swedes are going to rise against this PC rubbish.
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:04am
- Scott
  
  Sweden is an excellent example of the aptly named Stockholm syndrome. They allow Muslims in, those Muslims begin raping their white women and then they begin to identify with and try to appease their oppressors, those same Muslims.
  For a Muslim man having sex with a white blonde woman is like a trophy. They have no respect for them because they are not Muslim. But they value them as sexual objects.
  
  Other reporting shows that Swedish women have begun dying their blonde hair dark so as not to attract attention from Muslim men.
  
  But the sad fact of the matter is that Sweden has gone from being a low crime country to having the highest amount of rape per capita, 2nd only to Lesotho.
  
  It’s a national disgrace but the Swedish government simply will not defend their women and their way of life.
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:06am
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    Scott , but they do but not with Breitbart , Jihad Watch and Frontpage etc lies !
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:21am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      So if the actual rates are only 20% of what is reported in those publications; is that acceptable Stephieboy? How many rapes of Swedish women by migrants is acceptable in your opinion? Or do you suggest that there have been absolutely no sexual offences committed by migrants in Sweden?
      
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      December 21, 2017 10:23am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I’ve read JW for years. Robert Spencer is a decent chap who does proper research and bases his articles on ordinary MSM reports. Nobody would want to live under constant death threats unless they thought this was an important topic. This also applies to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders, Hamad Abdel-Samad and countless others who dare criticise islam.
        
        Here’s one for you, Stuffyboy: remember that series The Bridge? Kim Bodnia left it, voicing concerns in an interview about working in Malmö, due to the city’s problems with antisemitism. He said: “it’s not very nice and comfortable to be there as a Jewish person.”
        
        Now, why would that be, Stuffyboy?
        
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        December 21, 2017 2:54pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Classical Liberal , Rob Spencer a decent chap ?I’m gobsmacked .
        
        How about this lunatic ?
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:28pm
    - stephieboy
      
      this lunatic ? . None other than Pamela Geller !
      
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      December 21, 2017 10:31pm
  - Longknives
    
    “Other reporting shows that Swedish women have begun dying their blonde hair dark so as not to attract attention from Muslim men.”
    
    Noooooooo….
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:22am
  - lifesgood
    
    The question has to be why? Why does Sweden not want to defend their country. Is it fear of retaliation? Are they just the world’s most virtue signalling lefties? There must be some explanation, they can’t all be total morons, surely?
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:51am
    - GoVege
      
      There are a lot of naive morons in this world who believe in “the innate goodness of all people”.
      They can’t comprehend that people raised in brutal cultures where life in general is cheap and women are there only to serve and service men, are NOT going to change their mindsets overnight.
      
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      December 21, 2017 11:16am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      There must be some explanation, they can’t all be total morons, surely?
      
      We should start with the Swedish Media who set the tone of the debate. The Swdish press is notorious for it’s Anti Swedish tone and of “welcoming the stranger”
      
      Their MSM is controlled by the Bonnier Family who if you notice and state they are Jewish, will be attacked as being “anti semetic” just for noticing.
      
      https://www.timesofisrael.com/swedish-lawmaker-rapped-for-decrying-jewish-familys-control-of-media/
      
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      December 21, 2017 11:32am
      - Brito
        
        And the Staffens (Swedish) are not attacked for being Catholics? They’re a huge contributor to MSM and you conveniently forget to mention them and that they are Catholic. You’re a bigot and an arsehole and you have tiny, tiny hands.
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle, will you write to the Times of Israel and call them nasty names – for telling the truth ?
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:20pm
      - realityczech
        
        We Jews are a funny breed. We love to brag about every Jewish actor. Sometimes we even pretend an actor is Jewish just because we like him enough that we think he deserves to be on our team. We brag about Jewish authors, Jewish politicians, Jewish directors. Every time someone mentions any movie or book or piece of art, we inevitably say something like, “Did you know that he was Jewish?” That’s just how we roll.
        
        We’re a driven group, and not just in regards to the art world. We have, for example, AIPAC, which was essentially constructed just to drive agenda in Washington DC. And it succeeds admirably. And we brag about it. Again, it’s just what we do.
        
        But the funny part is when any anti-Semite or anti-Israel person starts to spout stuff like, “The Jews control the media!” and “The Jews control Washington!”
        
        Suddenly we’re up in arms. We create huge campaigns to take these people down. We do what we can to put them out of work. We publish articles. We’ve created entire organizations that exist just to tell everyone that the Jews don’t control nothin’. No, we don’t control the media, we don’t have any more sway in DC than anyone else. No, no, no, we swear: We’re just like everybody else!
        
        http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/jews-do-control-the-media.html
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:22pm
      - Brito
        
        Ok I’ve just sent of an email to them now.
        
        Dear Times of Israel,
        
        The lying fraud known as EAD is a bigot and an arsehole and has tiny, tiny hands.
        
        Yours in Zion,
        Brito.
        
        There! Can’t be fairer than that.
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:28pm
      - realityczech
        
        Do the IDF still hand our medals for shooting pregnant local women in the occupied areas you invaded ?
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:30pm
      - Brito
        
        Czech, mate! I’ve been tolerant of your intolerance. It’s coming up to Christmas and I’ve called off the hit squads on three occasions when Mossad thought you’d gone too far. They even have a special cream pie they are going to throw.
        
        Leave the Jews alone. Stop being so desperate to score points. EAD is a closet Muslim who wears fish nets under his burka and he really can’t be trusted with sheep. I think I’d like to set him up with Sam Green because he shows a need to be dominated and EAD is a muslim and clearly likes children.
        
        Hanukkah finished yesterday and I’m all warm and cosy and filled with humanity and light. I’m a peaceful man and all I want to do at Christmas time is sit back and watch the fat man in red invade the gentiles safe zone and steal milk and cookies.
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:40pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle, you get off lightly. You should see me get stuck into to Christstains, in particular the hideous idolater Catholic cult.
        
        I would do the same for any Muslim religious nuts that appeared here. 🙂
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:46pm
      - Brito
        
        Excellent. That’s the type of tolerance we could use on the Golan Heights. I think we need some help in the orange groves and you might be just that person.
        
        If you’re real nice I let you touch my Uzi.
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:53pm
- Pharmachick
  
  Aaaaarrrrrggggghhhh.
  
  Seriously, WTF?
  
  Wimmins, you’re getting rapey, rape, raped. Maybe don’t show yure ankles and provocative stuffs. Definitely don’t go outside the house. Defs not at night baby girlz. Also, what were you wearing? Were you asking for it?
  
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  December 21, 2017 4:11pm
VicParking

Goff being interviewed on Red Radio. Like the last two times as soon as he gets his main point across the line goes wonky so he can’t be asked any hard questions. Is he so dumb the listerns can’t see through it. Evan Kim Hill sees through his ploy.
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December 21, 2017 8:26am
Happychappy

So Winston First is sucking air with no story to hold him in the limelight and has finally come out and asked for a inquiry into Nationals Chinnese MP Yang. While i support this as it is in our Countries best interest for sercurity and other facts I actually hope this comes back to bite him and others on the arse. Winston Peter is not a saint and the pension episode shows that and his reaction to it being told in going out to sue people that he yet has no evidence to prove they released. If the National MP is found not to be a security risk or a spy like has been suggested I hope he is accorded the same right that Peters wants over the Pension saga and that is money to compensate for this accusation.
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December 21, 2017 8:28am
- ztev
  
  How many other NZ MPs attend reunions at military universities in the motherland?
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:32am
  - Happychappy
    
    You would know ztev as you probably visited Russia in the 1960’s / 70’s in the good old red under the bed days.
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:55am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Yes good point Happychappy – how many current or former Labour Party MP’s visited the former Soviet Union and for what purpose?
      
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      December 21, 2017 1:52pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Oh really, SC, what weird ideas you come up with! LOL, next you’ll be imagining a PM who led the International Union of Socialist Youth or something!!
        
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        December 21, 2017 3:03pm
calendar girl

Education Minister Chris Hipkins is already going week at the knees because – shock horror – a fourth student-loan defaulter has been arrested at the border: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11963389

Loan defaulters apprehended in these circumstance are invariably at the extreme end of the thousands of defaulters and slow-payers. They abuse the taxpayers’ largesse over a prolonged period, yet expect to be given the freedom of the world – supported by the provision of our passport – without a care in the world.

But Hipkins can take relief from the fact that this fourth defaulter was detained under an evil and uncaring National Government. It would be unfitting strategy to be continued by the soft-on-law ‘Coalition of Losers’.
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December 21, 2017 8:30am
- srylands
  
  I posted on this above. The advantage of arresting a handful is that it brings hundreds of defaulters to settle a repayment deal with ird.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:51am
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    But but … the evidence doesnt support you on that.
    
    “A student loan annual report for the year to June 30 shows that the overdue amount was $1.2 billion in the past year, an increase of 12.4 per cent from 2016.
    
    Overdue amounts INCREASE in spite of the arrests!!
    
    You are just vitue signalling with no evidence it works.
    Like the stuff Crusher Collins did – how many cars crushed – 3!
    Anyone who lives on a busy road knows the boy racers are still out there
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:36am
    - Ed Snack
      
      I think perhaps I should not pay the taxes I am said to owe. No difference to a student loan really, so surely nice Mr Hipkins would be shocked if I was arrested or any of my property taken wouldn’t he. I promise, really, to keep voting for him if he does this.
      
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      December 21, 2017 7:02pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Especially if they want to come home for xmas.
    
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    December 21, 2017 5:20pm
- Viking2
  
  And it was in May this year.
  Hipkins is a duplicitous flake.
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:14am
Digmen1

And a “Swedish man” has been arrested trying to get into England at the airport as he may have been planning terrorist activities.

A Swedish man, yeah right!
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December 21, 2017 8:32am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Probably a recent addition to Sweden, or second generation, but this ideology spreads into all populations: I saw the palest pathetic bit of Kiwi dribble standing behind an islamic propaganda stall. He clearly had nowhere else to go. I asked him what he thought of the wife beating sura and he just couldn’t answer at all…
  
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  December 21, 2017 3:10pm
cas

More fake news from Labour parading at the first state house to launch their ” we are not selling stat houses policy”. Except it was only the first state house under the first Labour Govt. the first state houses were built in 1906 under Seddon’s The Workers’ Dwellings Act 1905. I wish L and the media would get it right.
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December 21, 2017 8:33am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I did not know that.
  
  I saw the cake cutting and touching of the cake by the unwashed fairydust dispensing hand onto plates, to be handed out by the obliging gentleman of colour and his flunkey.
  
  Didn’t seem to be enough cake to go around, some got more than others, some got coloured icing, some got nothing but it was alright as it was a Labour cake and so someone else paid for it
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:41am
- KevOB
  
  National had decided to move the older housing stock on so as push the maintenance and upgrade costs onto charities. Refreshing and new development was well underway.
  Now Labour will have to rebuild those retained houses or bear tenant grief from the very disatisfaction that Labour themselves have created.
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:18am
- ztev
  
  Seddons state houses ?
  ” Several hundred homes were built but the rents were too high for many and the programme folded in 1919.”
  
  “after World War I led the Railways Department to set up a factory at Frankton, Hamilton, building pre-cut houses from local timber. Whole suburbs of railway cottages were built at Frankton and at Moera, Lower Hutt.”
  https://www.hnzc.co.nz/about-us/history-of-state-housing/
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:39am
  - tf78
    
    Lots in Newmarket at well.
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  In 1905 Premier Richard Seddon pushed through legislation enabling the state to erect workers’ dwellings in the main cities. Suburban land was acquired, away from inner-city pollutants, and the first houses were completed in Petone, near Wellington, the following year.
  https://teara.govt.nz/en/housing-and-government/page-1
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:56am
Digmen1

I get really annoyed with university students that we pay to get their education and then the leave NZ to go and live in another country (usually Australia!)

To me that is stealing from the taxpayer.

Now Chris Hipkins is going to let them off even
paying 20% of what they owe.

The figures are $100m owing by New Zealanders and 1.7 Billion owing by New Zealanders who have deserted NZ the country that brought them up and paid 80% of their education costs!
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December 21, 2017 8:35am
- Dave Stringer
  
  Sorry to correct you, but those are the figures for OVERDUE amounts. The total outstanding is much bigger. The definition of overdue does not include any amount for which a payment plan has been agreed; if, with the Collection Department’s agreement, you are paying $5 a month off your $40,000 loan, none of it is overdue.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:54am
- Kimbo
  
  Um, a bit like blanket assertions made here about Muslims and terrorism would you kindly mind qualifying your assertion about university students with the phrases “some” or “a few”? I’ve had two student loans, paid ’em both off in full including keeping in touch and fulfilling my statutory obligations with IRD when I lived overseas for a while. Like Longknives who posts here regularly and paid off his loan too, I have zero sympathy for those detained at the airport. Foolishness by Hipkins to contemplate a change of policy.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:55am
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    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Because it doesnt work
    Figures show amounts overdue have increased 12% from 2016 to 2017.
    
    But if you want virtue signalling by national ministers , why not continue?
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:41am
    - Kimbo
      
      How do you know it “doesn’t work”, when the number of overseas defaulters may have grown even further but for the incentive to pay?
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:52am
      - ztev
        
        So a 12% increase in overdue amounts is success ?
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:50am
    - mandk
      
      So, your solution to an increase in overdue loans is to change the policy to remove one of the most powerful incentives for repayment.
      
      I mean, why bother repaying your loan when you know you will be able to go back and forth from NZ without being held to account?
      
      But, what the hell, let’s absolve tax defaulters and fine dodgers too!
      
      Some of your arguments are quite telling, ztev. But your stupidity can be breathtaking.
      
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      December 21, 2017 10:04am
      - ztev
        
        Thats because only a very tiny number are going to come back to NZ to face arrest.
        
        Simple reasoning- which they have but you dont- means they dont cross our threshold.
        If you owed $50k – its a no brainer not to come here
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:52am
Manolo

Did the diva know?
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/entertainment/celebrity/meryl-streep-targeted-by-street-artists-with-she-knew-posters/ar-BBH3JWs

In posters that appeared in several locations in Los Angeles on Tuesday, Meryl Streep was seemingly depicted as a Harvey Weinstein enabler by anonymous street artists.
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December 21, 2017 8:39am
Digmen1

Phil Twatford is now saying that it will take time to ramp up to the ten thousand houses a year.

That means that in the last few years they will have to build say 15,000 houses to make up the defect!
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December 21, 2017 8:40am
- lifesgood
  
  What do you mean “last few years”? I’m seriously hoping that, at most, it is last two years….or less.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:59am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    So long as National remain unable to count to 61 the current scenario could be our new normal – so I think your “two years” is a bit of a pipe dream.
    
    Meanwhile – National are doing a great job at being Labour’s most reliable support party – they’re moving further to the Left! Maybe they should just merge and NZ can become the one party state Jacinda longs for.
    
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    December 21, 2017 11:38am
    - Paulus
      
      I seem to remember in the old days that the role of the Opposition was to Oppose.
      I know wee have not seen that for some years but that is a fact, and National will be good at Opposing.
      
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      December 21, 2017 2:09pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  And if you follow ztev’s litany, the clock starts at the very beginning, note his 9 years’ that National did nothing.
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:20am
  - ztev
    
    Guess what National was promising a ramp up of all house building.
    Last 3 years houses built were 87,000
    They were promising/virtue signalling that the ‘next 3 years’ it would be 200,000
    ie 2.25 x total numbers IN 3 YEARS
    
    That was over 3 years , not a 10 year build up
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:46am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      *Is Labour hoping for a GFC?
      
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      December 21, 2017 8:20pm
Digmen1

Phil Twatford is saying that we should be looking at mass production and off site pre-fabrication of houses.

I thought this has been tried by a few companies which have fallen over.

NZ is probably too small to do this as a viable business.
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December 21, 2017 8:46am
- cmm
  
  It is perfectly viable to do this to make modular houses with panels etc designed along standardized dimensions etc.
  
  However this only builds the shell. There are also many other parts to building a house.
  
  The real problem is that this is highly automated and does not create the quantity of low-end jobs that everyone wants.
  
  It creates jobs for the people designing the flash software and automation. Those people already have jobs. There is a significant skill shortage in this area. Also, developing the tech would take years, so nothing is going to be built for a long while.
  
  It creates some jobs in the materials supply chains and a few high skills manufacturing jobs in the factory (already a shortage of skilled people), another few driving trucks (already a shortage of truck drivers).
  
  There will also be a few low end jobs sprinkled about, but it does not provide the vast number of low-end hammer-swinging construction jobs that soak up the unskilled.
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:06am
  - Kimbo
    
    Maybe not a bad thing – I have known chippies for about 30 years, long enough to hear some lament they are in a boom/bust industry. When the downturn comes they are always the first to be hit, and when the boom is on they have to work 60 to 70 hour weeks.
    
    Plus there has been a train coming down the track for some 30 years in this country heading straight for low-skilled jobs. At least in big employment projects. Seems like even low-skilled, low-paid service jobs will be the next to be hit by automation.
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:20am
    - cmm
      
      “Seems like even low-skilled, low-paid service jobs will be the next to be hit by automation.”
      
      They are already hit by automation and it is getting much harder to do “make work” programmes.
      
      A digger replaces 20 blokes with picks and shovels and does a far better job, but needs a skilled operator.
      
      Then come the heavily automated GPS and laser controlled systems. They replace a whole lot of operators, but highly skilled people are needed to set up the designs etc.
      
      Automation relentlessly drives up the need for highly skilled (intelligent) staff where there are already skill shortages and reduces the need for unskilled (less intelligent) staff where there is an excess of people.
      
      While it does not create jobs, automation increases value.
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:47am
      - Kimbo
        
        While it does not create jobs, automation increases value.
        
        Hmm. The example of the Industrial Revolution suggests that in the long run that will not be the case – if you mass produce you need consumers with sufficient income to pay for the goods. But yes, the transition in work patterns, both global and local will be difficult for many.
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:55am
      - cmm
        
        Kimbo, you are surely not suggesting that the industrial revolution did not create value?
        
        It made stuff available to average – and even poor – people that were previously only affordable by the obscenely rich.
        
        The same with the agricultural revolution.
        
        By the beginning of the 20th century commoners were living far better than most kings had lived a hundred years before.
        
        What do you mean by “the long run”? Now? In 500 years time?
        
        Look at all the billions of people living far better lives than they ever did before. Even the people in some shit-hole like South Sudan are far better off than they were 100 years ago.
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:26am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ cmm
        
        No, that’s exactly what I’m suggesting happened as a result of the automation and mass production of the Industrial Revolution which provided plentiful new goods at cheap prices. But the initial adjustments in work and income patterns were painful, especially in the 1840s in Britain. Hence migrants fled the worst excesses by migrating to the likes of NZ, Nova Scotia, Australia, America. Indeed even up to the 1920s there were tensions evidenced by the Revolutions of 1848, and the growth of communism and anarchism. Was a time of social tension and even terrorism, much greater than our current obsession with Jihadism. Probably it was the development of the modern welfare states in many Western nations that defused the tensions.
        
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        December 21, 2017 11:46am
  - Victor Omega
    
    However this only builds the shell.
    
    I’ve seen modular homes delivered and assembled ready to move in. Wiring, plumbing, everything.
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:26am
    - G152
      
      Except for the water and sewerage reticulation required.
      Or the foundation construction.
      Or the roading.
      Or the power and fiber cabling.
      There’s more to a house than a house
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:43am
      - ztev
        
        And yet Joyces venture fund put money into Xero, and then was scammed out of $30 mill rise in value of shares by Thiel.
        
        Xero doesnt need government money, yet a house build automation business would be told to FO
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:49am
      - Victor Omega
        
        None of which is relevant to a conversation about modular home construction, but ok.
        
        Me: “Boeing assembles aircraft from parts constructed all over the world”
        
        You: “Yeah… except for the runways, and airports and ATC… there’s more to an aircraft than an aircraft”
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:56am
    - cmm
      
      Some of that depends on what you mean by modular building.
      
      At one extreme it is basically finished “trailer park” style mobile homes. The whole thing is prebuilt and pre-finished. Just dump it off a truck and hook up water, sewerage and power.
      
      At the other extreme there are flat-pack style houses where the walls are pre-built and pre-wired etc and the house shell is then assembled onsite. eg. Sturctural Insulated Panels.
      
      Then there is a range of stuff in the middle:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manufactured_housing
      
      All of these reduce labour dramatically.
      
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      December 21, 2017 12:08pm
      - Victor Omega
        
        You’re confusing mobile homes (trailer park) with modular homes.
        
        This… from your wiki link: The requirement to have a wheeled chassis permanently attached differentiates “manufactured housing” from other types of prefabricated homes, such as modular homes.
        
        So, you see, there is a big difference.
        
        The modular homes I’m talking about are not trailer park homes. Once assembled you can’t tell they are modular.
        
        Here is an example of a home that can be delivered, move in ready: https://www.architecturaldesigns.com/house-plans/timeless-country-victorian-6519rf
        
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        December 21, 2017 1:02pm
  - si_rangi
    
    As a forest owner, I will happily supply the logs needed for the prefabrication of frames etc., however with international log prices at a 15 year high, Mr Kiwibuild is going to have to come up with the $$ to match what I am getting offshore
    
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    December 21, 2017 11:40am
- Paulus
  
  You can but them in kitset form from China, shipped by containers.
  We use to call the Prefabs in the UK.
  Nothing wrong with Prefabs but they will not be four bedrooms, ensuites, double garages and all mod con kitchens.
  
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  December 21, 2017 2:12pm
Lucia Maria

Russia simulated invading Europe and bombing Germany with massive drills just months ago, analysts reveal

Russia simulated going to war against NATO, bombing Germany and invading Baltic states during Vladimir Putin’s ‘West 2017’ military exercises, analysts have revealed.

A massive programme of war games featuring tens of thousands of troops and code named ‘Zapad’ took place near the Belarus capital Minsk in September.

At the time there were fears Moscow was using the training as a cover to station soldiers and equipment in the country.

Analysts from two Western intelligence agencies have now claimed that the exercises, which included artillery, tanks, rocket launches and simulated air and navy raids, were a dry-run for a ‘shock campaign’ against Western European NATO members – including Germany and the Netherlands.

The drills also rehearsed the capture of the Baltic states – Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania- as well as Poland, Norway and the non-aligned states of Sweden and Finland, the analysts told German newspaper Bild.

Yep, not surprising. Russia is always looking to expand. Once the oil prices go up, things could get hairy very quickly.
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December 21, 2017 8:49am
- Digmen1
  
  Which is why the “west” must expel all Muslims so that we/they do not have to fight enemies within as well as Russia.
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:01am
  - Lucia Maria
    
    the “west” must expel all Muslims
    
    Er, no.
    
    One of the major lessons of WWII is mass-expulsion of people just makes invasion so much easier and everything turns to shit just that much faster. Separation of peoples into ethnic and religious identities is a terrible idea.
    
    Mass-expulsion is a betrayal of everything the West stands for.
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:06am
    - cmm
      
      Lying on your back and being overrun by Muslims is a much bigger betrayal of what the West stands for.
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:11am
      - Kimbo
        
        Er, no. A blanket expulsion of an entire people group, especially on the basis of their religion is not what “the West” (you know, the thing defined by historic developments such as the Renaissance, Reformation and Enlightenment!) stands for. Fascism? Yes. Godwinned? No, not when it really is fascism. 😉 Mind you, arguably that too was a branch of “the West” (some of the philosophical roots in the Romanticism Era of the early 19th Century. I digress)
        
        But if you want to imitate the Ugandan dictator Idi Amin…
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:25am
    - Digmen1
      
      The west stands for Christian values.
      So why let muslims in, who have no desire to be western, but just to take what they can and cause problems and mayhem.
      
      Long live Poland, Slovakia, Myanmar, Hungary and now maybe Austria.
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:22am
      - Kimbo
        
        As I’ve posted before, as you rejoice in the troubles and woes of the Muslims of Myanmar I doubt you are an authority on “Christian values”. Much less how they relate to what “the West” stands for.
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:27am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Digmen1,
        
        So why let muslims in, who have no desire to be western, but just to take what they can and cause problems and mayhem.
        
        Christian values include not turning away the stranger who needs help.
        
        And the safest place for Muslims to convert to Christianity is Western countries.
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:35am
      - Victor Omega
        
        “And the safest place for Muslims to convert to Christianity”
        
        Except they don’t. It’s you who needs converting. Halal KFC anyone?
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:47am
      - Brito
        
        Pah!!! Muslim’s have one expressed desire…world pieces.
        
        They will be a happy lot once they can freely throw gays off a roof, wrap women in cloth to stop them enticing men, behead anybody for anything, burn anybody who disagrees with their book…etc etc.
        
        If anybody doubts this please just check yourself in to the closest loony bin, take prescribed meds and wait for the muslim takeover…because you lot will be the first to be cleansed.
        
        This sentiment of peaceful muslims is shit. They are medieval killers.
        
        I hope you never have to contemplate which burka or headscarf to wear so that it doesn’t clash with the latest rules from the fashion enforcers.
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:57am
      - MCos
        
        I get fed up with people coming to my door and trying to convert me to their version of ‘christian values’.
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:59am
      - Victor Omega
        
        That’s a no shitter from Brito right there. Some people need to wtfu.
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:02am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Lucia Maria
        
        Yes, some story I read once somewhere about a Jewish couple who were short of lodging on the night she gave birth to her first born in some place called Bethlehem springs to mind. I note that Scott, in his homily “the season of goodwill and peace towards all men, it is sad but true that some people do not share those Christmas sentiments” omitted to mention that point yesterday (GD, DECEMBER 20, 2017 9:39AM
        . 😉
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_20_december_2017.html
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:04am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Victor Omega
        
        Muslims Are Converting to Christianity in Record Numbers
        
        Millions of Muslims Converting to Christianity
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:06am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Victor Omega
        
        “And the safest place for Muslims to convert to Christianity”
        
        Except they don’t. It’s you who needs converting. Halal KFC anyone?
        
        Er, no. Some do. I know of some. And if you listen to Muslims themselves, the thing they fear for their youth, in addition to being recruited by radicals and jihadists is that they will become Christians – or at least take on practices that are deemed non-Muslim/haram, e.g., diet, marrying non-Muslims, drinking alcohol. failing to fulfill the five pillars of Islam.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam
        
        But then I accept the point that “allowing people to come to our countries because they may thereby convert to Christianity” is not a valid reason to allow them in/change immigration policy. Not in our non-sectarian Western nation anyway. Just as, by the same measure we don’r discriminate against them because they are Muslim.
        
        Plus anyone is allowed to ask for their religious needs to be taken into account with a goods or service provider like KFC. Just as that provider is free to say “no” as well as “yes”. Is a sign of the strength of our non-sectarian system, not a weakness.
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:09am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Kimbo,
        
        Yeah, “Christian Values” can be now used as a political war cry more than anything actually Christian.
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:10am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Lucia Maria
        
        Yep. Always have alarm bells go off when I hear that phrase, along with “Christian culture”, and “Christian civilisation”. Is usually a Trojan horse with all sorts of godless and violent agendas baptised to fool pious idiots. Is one of the legacies of Christendom – which some still cannot accept was a mixed (nb: I didn’t say entirely negative! 😉 ) legacy and, through God’s providence is now a thing of the past.
        
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        December 21, 2017 10:15am
      - artemisia
        
        And add to that list the mayors of Nantes, Lille, Bordeaux, Grenoble, Rennes, Toulouse and Strasbourg. Overwhelmed by so-called asylum seekers.
        
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        December 21, 2017 11:47am
- cmm
  
  “Yep, not surprising. Russia is always looking to expand.”
  
  Or just building a protective buffer against hostiles.
  
  With Europe on a relentless march to Islam, the Russians need to plan for having the Caliphate on their Western and Southern borders.
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:09am
  - Lucia Maria
    
    cmm,
    
    Russia already has many Muslims. And was the #1 exporter of ISIS fighters
    
    A lot of the supposed “hostiles” are internal.
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:17am
    - stephieboy
      
      Lucia Maria , good one ! That could make the Islamaphobics stop posting their utter drivel .
      
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      December 21, 2017 9:23am
      - Manolo
        
        Will you someday renounce Islam and convert to become a Christian or an atheist?
        
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        December 21, 2017 9:51am
  - Kimbo
    
    With ~~Europe~~ Lithuania, Poland, Sweden, Prussia, Austria, The Ottomans, France, Britain, Japan, Germany, Finland, Hungary, Roumania, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, the USA, NATO, China, Afghanistan, Ukraine- everyone bar Serbia! – on a relentless march ~~to Islam~~, the Russians need to plan for having the Caliphate on their Western and Southern borders
    
    There! Fixed that for ya! 😉 Russia – doing paranoia to justify their expansionism since…c1500! 😉
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:21am
  - Paulus
    
    The Soviet Union (of countries) broke down because they were numerically expected to be a Muslim Majority in very short time – hence Russia broke away as they saw their control weakening.
    
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    December 21, 2017 2:17pm
- Inandout
  
  Germany would be a pushover to invade, once you cleared out the Muslim ‘youth’. They are soft and wracked with historic WW2 guilt.
  
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  December 21, 2017 10:15am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Don’t you believe it. They are the most technologically competent country on the planet, and highly numerate engineers make for very efficient strategists and killers skilled at maximising the bang-for-buck. There is almost noone still living who even participated in WWII, they are entirely over it.
    
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    December 21, 2017 11:20am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      No, they aren’t over it. The guilt is still huge. Marches with Green politicians shouting slogans like ‘Germany Die’ and ‘Germany you lousy piece of shit’. Look up ‘deutschland verrecke’ and ‘deutschland, du mieses stueck scheisse’
      
      So Merkel’s answer is to let in millions of people without even bothering to check their age or country of origin, with no regard for the ideology they represent, which even has a very antisemitic strain. Clever, eh?
      
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      December 21, 2017 3:38pm
      - stephieboy
        
        So long they don’t have an incompetent commander and strategist like Hitler to lead them .
        
        I sense a l pining after the good old days with an Adolf as der leader of a Blitzkrieg ?,
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR5q0ajW8Ko
        
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        December 21, 2017 8:29pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Why would Russia bomb Germany with “massive drills”?
  
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  December 21, 2017 11:40am
- Ed Snack
  
  Russia, with an economy not much larger than Australia’s, simply does not have the ability to go to war on a large scale. They hold exercises, so what, to bow the out of proportion is just scare mongering. Unless of course the EU would just fold in front of them, which given their near complete lack of spine, is I suppose possible.
  
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  December 21, 2017 7:06pm
Harkman

I decry government spending money on anything but the National government did a bloody job on the motorways in western Christchurch. Can’t see Labour and the Greens doing anything practical like that.
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December 21, 2017 9:06am
- cmm
  
  Perhaps there are some plans to dig up the road and replace them with bamboo plantations to build bikes?
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:12am
- ztev
  
  Albany to Puhoi motorway- they did that
  The Auckland Waterview tunnels, they had approved that to start before end of their term.
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:29am
  - mandk
    
    Glad to see you’re a fan of road building, ztev.
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:44am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Re Waterview – half right ztev. Labour approved a tunnel of two lanes each way. National immediately upgraded that the three lanes, and it was built on time and under budget under a National government.
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:15am
    - ztev
      
      Immediately upgraded ?
      That didnt happen that way, Joyce wanted a whole new (cheaper) design without bored tunnels. Overpasses, underpasses, cut and cover . It was all 1970s style.
      The contractors told him there wasnt enough labour/machinery/concrete to do it that way.
      
      So they went back to simpler construction method of bored tunnels and the reason for the extra lane was because they put in links to travel to/from the city. The two lane version was a bypass to the west or ring road model.
      
      The extra cost of the offramps at the new sphagetti junction and widening to Western Springs was considerable.
      
      On time ?
      Yes they delayed its opening to be closer to the election
      
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      December 21, 2017 11:02am
    - Paulus
      
      Waterview only became a tunnel because local MP H Clark said the road would not go through her constituency – over her dead body was the phrase she used – pity..
      
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      December 21, 2017 2:20pm
Manolo

Thank you Obama, says stephieboy…
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-economy/u-s-home-sales-hit-11-year-high-supply-still-tight-idUSKBN1EE20H

U.S. home sales increased more than expected in November, hitting their highest level in nearly 11 years, the latest indication that housing was regaining momentum after almost stalling this year.
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December 21, 2017 9:45am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, right ! . The former President has paved there way for a sustainable and durable economic recovery and not Trump’s first year magic wand waving .
  
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  December 21, 2017 10:10am
  - axeman
    
    You have no idea Kiwiblog’s Dumbest Commentator. In 2016 over 1000 manufacturing jobs on average were being lost every month. Trump campaigned to bring them back. So Barry the Kenyan sneered … Those manufacturing jobs aren’t coming back, … What is he gonna do?, … Wave a magic wand? So last month Trump sets a historical record of 40,000 new Manufacturing Jobs. #MAGA
    
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    December 21, 2017 5:08pm
- Scott
  
  Manolo– You are right it’s been a good year. Isis has been defeated and the US economy is going gangbusters.
  
  And according to stephieboy this is all thanks to President Obama! Stephieboy who has a deep insight into world events has informed us that President Obama is so awesome that he can influence world events even when he has left office. So Obama is the real leader behind the US economy and the defeat of Isis. Trump has nothing to do with it!
  
  So don’t believe you’re lying eyes!! It’s all about Obama! And don’t for goodness sake give any credit to Donald J Trump!
  
  Note – this is the world according to stephieboy. Normal transmission will resume shortly 🙂 🙂
  
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  December 21, 2017 10:10am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott , it is most reasonable to give the former Preisident a loin’s share of the credit for both defeating ISIS and the apparent economic recovery 2017 (after the disaster of 2007-8.)
    
    In fact Trump had little to do with the defeat ISIS and more to do with the US training the Iraqi army’s fighting capabilities ( NZ ,Aussie & Brits had a role there too ) . Shame on Trump and you for not recognising the vital role the Kurds , Iraqis , Iranians , Syrians etc . Lets not forget the Russians too.
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:18am
    - RalphT
      
      I hope you meant lion’s share and that talking about Obama’s loins wasn’t a reference to the rumours about Obama’s proclivities?
      
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      December 21, 2017 10:31am
    - Manolo
      
      Stop, dear stephieboy. Whatever you are drinking impairs your sense of reality even more. Just stop.
      
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      December 21, 2017 10:36am
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo, must admit I was bit tipsy at the time imbibing Japanese Plum wine somewhere . We have to see the humour in things like loins vs lions and I’m one of them .
        
        BTW Christmas cheers and God’s seasonal blessing from me to my old foe .
        
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        December 21, 2017 11:51am
    - waikatogirl
      
      stephie: “it is most reasonable to give the former Preisident a loin’s share of the credit”
      
      Is that a loin of pork?
      I believe you refer to a lions share. ?
      
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      December 21, 2017 12:37pm
  - Scott
    
    Stephieboy – I know it’s pure coincidence that after Trump freed up local commanders to fight as conditions on the ground dictated, demanded that his generals thought about winning rather than just fighting, the commanders increased bombing and the number of US troops committed to the front, and those commanders went about actually killing terrorists rather than just moving them from place to place, that the coalition actually defeated Isis.
    
    It is also pure coincidence that after Obama presided over 8 years of anaemic economic growth and high unemployment, that Trump came in, slashed thousands of job killing regulations, promise to bring in businesses and growth and jobs, that the market responded.
    
    Or you could say that Trump is a game changer who under his watch has defeated Isis and presided over the biggest bloom in the US economy for many years.
    
    Trump has had a very good year!
    
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    December 21, 2017 10:44am
    - ztev
      
      Trump claimed he ‘had a plan’ during election.
      
      His plan was bullshit, he just lest the generals do what they want, which led to the disater in the firts place.
      US intervention in Syria has led to Russia being there and Iran as well. Except Russia and Assad seem to have won
      Whats his plan now ?
      
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      December 21, 2017 11:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

Clear your Porn off your computer if you’re going into politics.

UK Deputy PM resigns
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42434802
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December 21, 2017 10:09am
Stars And Stripes

Just been down to the supermarket and bought my Xmas ham.
Was going to get a big one but changed my mind as once I saw all the large hams in tights waddling around it kind of disgusted me so I settled for a half.
Really felt in the festive mood while I was there though and my heart just melted when I saw a foodbank donation box.
Did my bit chucking in a tin of chickpeas and tomatoes for the battered women and some pet food for the rest.
I was going to be more generous but since my tax cut was confiscated I decided the rest of the fuckers who missed out will just have to starve.
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December 21, 2017 10:21am
- GoVege
  
  Hehe…glad to hear those jiggling thighs put you off your ham, Stripes!
  I was in the shop last night trying to buy a lettuce and was squeezing past a bunch of young very chubby women.
  Couldn’t help overhearing their conversation….all about their latest knee and other ops.
  We ain’t just paying for diabetes treatment….we’re also shelling out to replace thousands of joints caving in from the strain of supporting weights previously rare in Kiwis.
  
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  December 21, 2017 12:13pm
Jack5

The foreign hoax phone callers about “your internet fault” have taken their hoax to a new low.

The caller is now saying in a south Asian accent, “I am from Spark, your internet provider, and your computer has been downloading porn.”

You reply: ” But Spark isn’t our internet provider.”

The caller:”But Spark controls everything.”

You hang up. The caller’s gone and you miss fun from a counter-con that will end with you being cursed roundly in a thick Pakistani accent, to which you deliver the rabbit punch: you laugh!

Fun responses:

1:

“Jesus, haven’t you heard? Turn your radio on. Quickly, right now! India is threatening nuclear attacks on Pakistan cities. Get to a shelter!”

OR

2:

“You cunts can’t play cricket and you don’t even know that cricket balls contain pig fat. How can you know about computers?”

3:

Thanks for the tip. Free porn! I’m switching to Spark today.
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December 21, 2017 10:25am
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This organization has recently obtained the notes of a National Party emergency caucus meeting, held one week before the 2005 election.

If we receive enough expressions of interest, we will consider publishing the notes on this site.

We therefore invite comments from the public.

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December 21, 2017 10:30am
- Jack5
  
  ‘Morning Comrade Breen:
  
  Stop the titillation. Publish these ancient notes. Are they in Latin? Or maybe Braille, for blind voters. Oh, or are they in Maori, or perhaps in NZ Pidgin with its macrons?
  
  Do the semaphore signallers – the sign language translaters – keep notes in hieroglyph form – little pictures of signals? If so, Comrade, did you come across notes in sign form?
  
  But, Comrade Breen, lie back on the couch, relax, and tell us the origin of your obsession with transcriptions. Two radio stations at a time. Ancient notes. You outgoogle Google.
  
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  December 21, 2017 10:38am
  - Morrissey
    
    You’re saying “Publish and be damned”, Jack?
    
    So be it.
    
    You outgoogle Google.
    
    Thanks, Jack. As we know, Google only takes one so far.
    
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    December 21, 2017 11:26am
  - Manolo
    
    The stuff must be potent, very potent.
    
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    December 21, 2017 11:27am
    - Morrissey
      
      It’s pretty much what we suspected, Manolo. There’s a lot of panic, and name-calling, and bullying going on. And there’s a sex scene too.
      
      Oh hang on! I’ve just realized: you think I’m on DRUGS, don’t you.
      
      https://jamieleroy.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/lego.jpg?w=788
      
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      December 21, 2017 11:37am
Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa

Seasons Greetings to my dearest Comrades and Comradesses…

To all who are thinking about adding a dog to your life, please consider re-homing a Greyhound; they are gentle, Intelligent, loyal, affectionate, lazy, graceful, hilarious and endearing. They require very little exercise (mine prefers the couch to walks) and love to sleep.

They can be kleptomaniacs, but this tendancy varies.

There a a number of re homing charities that would be most happy to help find the right hound for you.

1447 dogs were reported as being euthanised between the 2013/14 and 2016/17 seasons, but the real number of dogs disposed of will be much higher. One of the many horrific fates that can meet a Grey is to have their blood harvested (a euphemism for being bled to death) , as they are a universal donor for all other breeds.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=greyhound+charities+new+zealand&rlz=1C1GCEA_enNZ754NZ754&oq=greyhound+charities+new+zealand&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.15624j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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December 21, 2017 10:47am
- Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
  
  Sorry, wrong second link, should be:
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/100037133/greyhound-report-disturbing-and-deeply-disappointing–winston-peters
  
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  December 21, 2017 11:10am
- mandk
  
  Probably better not to use the word “euthanised”.
  
  It implies a gentle and merciful act when, as you point out, it can be horrific.
  
  “Slaughtered” is better.
  
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  December 21, 2017 11:23am
  - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
    
    I prefer not to think to hard about it, but yes. That is the fate of many.
    It is my understanding that those euthanised, are done so by a vet, as one would expect and they are the lucky ones. It’s the number “unaccounted for” that is truly heartbreaking.
    
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    December 21, 2017 11:29am
softail 1450

P D P R A, good for you comrade ,if we didn’t have a mutt already I would look seriously at your proposal ,I’ve heard greyhounds make great pets as well.
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December 21, 2017 11:12am
- Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
  
  I’d happily have 2~3 if I had the room. 🙂 I forgot to say they are very inquisitive, and you’ll never got to the bathroom alone again…
  
  Refer to the unofficial Greyhound glossary for further information
  
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  December 21, 2017 11:20am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Love dogs however already have a cat who accompanies unsuspecting visitors to the toilet. ?
    
    Merry Christmas PDPRofA. Not too many roast tatties to the greyhounds under the table. ?
    
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    December 21, 2017 12:47pm
    - Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa
      
      From Me and Mine to You and Yours, Best wishes for the festive season and thanks for all the lulz 🙂
      
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      December 21, 2017 1:42pm
Morrissey

Heroes
No. 4: ALLAN NAIRN

His speciality being US-backed atrocities, Nairn has reported from the charnel houses of Haiti, El Salvador, Guatemala and Indonesia. He’s openly challenged Henry Kissinger; helped bring American proxies to trial; exposed the US-training of death squads in El Salvador and Haiti; and in Guatemala he filmed what later turned out to be the country’s current president casually talking about his role in the 1980s highland genocide. Often, the irony is that those he exposes can’t kill or torture Nairn because he’s a US citizen, which would put their American aid at risk. With the insurance that comes along with his blue passport, he’s goaded Washington-approved jackboots and the suits that approve them.

…

“In 1990 I went to then-occupied East Timor. Timor was actually the scene of the most intensive proportional genocide since the Nazis. A third of the Timorese population was killed, or died of hunger and disease. The military invaded Timor with a personal green-light from President Ford and Henry Kissinger. When I first went there in 1990 it was still under military occupation. That was actually the worst, most intense terror I have seen anywhere in the world. Guatemala in 1980 approaches it, but nothing close to what was going in Timor at the time.”

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/gq8884/allan-nairn-journalist-indonesia-272

http://www.allannairn.org/2007/12/it-takes-out-village-illegitimate.html

“Heroes” is a series devoted to those courageous and brilliant people who show us that, in a world seemingly run by flag-fetishists, cowards, conformists, crooks, abusers, scoundrels, embedded churnalists, mass murderers and liars, there are still reasons for optimism.

No. 1 Edward Snowden, No. 2 Gideon Levy, No. 3 Colin Kaepernick

Produced by Daisycutter Sports Inc.
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December 21, 2017 11:30am
- Brito
  
  Colin Kaepernick! Morry, please tell me you fell and hit your head. There is no other explanation.
  
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  December 21, 2017 12:47pm
- softail 1450
  
  morronissey,the fact that you have listed kaepernick as a hero takes away any credibility from the rest of your list….the bastard didn’t get picked because he’s not in form, not because the silly prick took a knee as he’s been trying to say in court,,,,,he’s a privileged arsehole and that’s all.
  
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  December 21, 2017 1:08pm
  - Morrissey
    
    the bastard didn’t get picked because he’s not in form, not because the silly prick took a knee as he’s been trying to say in court,,,,,he’s a privileged arsehole and that’s all.
    
    You know, and I know, that what you’ve written is false. The fact is: he has inspired hundreds of professional football players to cease participating in the government-paid loyalty ceremonies that mar sporting events in America. Just as impressively, he has inspired THOUSANDS of young athletes right across America to also refuse.
    
    https://deadspin.com/louisiana-high-school-threatens-to-punish-athletes-who-1818969284
    
    It’s not only football players that are speaking out….
    https://deadspin.com/steph-curry-on-that-unity-sports-illustrated-cover-1818861488
    
    By the way, THIS is a privileged arsehole….
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11737059
    
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    December 21, 2017 2:19pm
    - Brito
      
      But…….more black folk are killed by other black folk than all of the combined shootings by law enforcement for the past decade.
      
      More white people are shot by cops each year than black people….HELLO!!!!
      
      No noise about that Morry….eh, eh!!!!
      
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      December 21, 2017 2:52pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Y’know Mossey, On this we agree, Colin has been sidelined by his actions and should be playing, although the 49ers are doing better without him.
      
      But if you want to make a stand for a cause, you should expect the price without whining like a little bitch, something both Colin and you could learn.
      
      As for your link to Max Key…. grow the fuck up Mossey.
      
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      December 21, 2017 5:23pm
BeaB

What I hope we all know now is that Winston hates National so a vote for NZ First is a vote for Labour.
You numpties who thought you were sending a message! He did you good and proper.
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December 21, 2017 11:35am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  So BeaB…….
  
  Is Bill and ~~National~~Labour Lite in power?
  
  Nope! Then it seems the “message” got delivered.
  
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  December 21, 2017 11:52am
- lifesgood
  
  Urged on by the seriously deluded Whaleoil.
  
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  December 21, 2017 6:34pm
stephieboy

I see playing with porn has become something of a righttard habit ,

UK Deputy PM resigns over Porn on his parlimentary computer etc

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5199839/Deputy-PM-Damian-Green-RESIGNS-pornography-claims.html .

Hmmmm….
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December 21, 2017 11:56am
- Longknives
  
  At least he wasn’t creeping out young girls at the Shopping Mall…
  
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  December 21, 2017 11:58am
  - big bruv
    
    “At least he wasn’t creeping out young girls at the Shopping Mall…”
    Or causing young men to run naked through the streets of Hataitai.
    
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    December 21, 2017 3:23pm
- alloytoo
  
  ah, you haven’t had to clean out the porn stashes of ANC cadre……
  
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  December 21, 2017 12:02pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Say, did somebody mention PORN?…..
    
    https://www.parliament.nz/media/3811/jones-shane.DmxNWg.jpg?width=300
    
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    December 21, 2017 12:35pm
- realityczech
  
  stupidboy, the porn they are watching is legal. The stuff you prefer carries serious jail time. See the difference dimwit ?
  
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  December 21, 2017 12:36pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @ stephieboy
  So what were your politics when you got your 3rd strike here on KB?
  
  Remember when you posted a link to intimate photos of I. Trump?
  
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  December 21, 2017 2:13pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Did somebody say “intimate photos of Ivanka Trump”?!?!?!?!????
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/dam/form-uploaded-images/shane-jones-NEWSHUB-1120.jpg
    
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    December 21, 2017 5:47pm
- Swifty
  
  That’s rich coming from you, pornoboy.
  
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  December 21, 2017 2:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Sexual abuse transcends party politics, stephieboy.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Westminster_sexual_scandals
  
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  December 21, 2017 3:29pm
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 19: Damian Green

Damian Green, one of Theresa May’s closest allies, has been sacked from the cabinet after an inquiry found he had breached the ministerial code. He was “asked to quit” after he was found to have made “inaccurate and misleading” statements about what he knew about claims pornography was found on a computer in his office in 2008. He apologised for this and for making writer Kate Maltby feel uncomfortable.

….

Mr Green’s political future has been in question since journalist and Conservative activist Ms Maltby suggested he had behaved inappropriately towards her in an article last month for the Times. She claimed the minister “fleetingly” touched her knee in a pub in 2015 and in 2016 sent her a “suggestive” text message which left her feeling “awkward, embarrassed and professionally compromised”.

Mr Green, who is an acquaintance of the journalist’s parents, said the claims were “hurtful” and “completely false”. But they were referred to the Cabinet Office for investigation by a top civil servant – who is examining other claims that emerged during a swirl of allegations about harassment and other misconduct at Westminster.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-42434802

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/20/damian-green-and-the-history-of-a-pornography-scandal

“GROPERS” is presented by GroperWatch®, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.
No.1 George Herbert Walker Bush; No. 2 Bill O’Reilly; No. 3 Al Franken; No. 4 Robin Brooke; No. 5 Lester Beck; No. 6 Arnold Schwarzenegger; No. 7 Joe Biden; No. 8 Rolf Harris; No. 9 Harold Bloom; No. 10 Sir Jimmy Savile; No. 11 Dr Morgan Fahey; No.12 Prince Harry; No. 13 Bill Clinton; No.14 Judge Roy Moore; No. 15 Matt Lauer; No. 16 Richard Branson; No. 17 Warren Moon; No. 18 Donald John Trump

(Hat tip to Maggy Wassilieff)
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December 21, 2017 12:09pm
- alloytoo
  
  Why isn’t comrade Jacob Zuma in that list?
  
  He has after all done all the hard yards, raped lesbian woman (and showered after wards) etc, surely he deserves a mention.
  
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  December 21, 2017 12:22pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Thanks for the heads up. We’ll investigate.
    
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    December 21, 2017 12:27pm
    - alloytoo
      
      Can’t have been looking very hard if you missed comrade Jacob, he’s a big boy.
      
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      December 21, 2017 12:34pm
      - stigie
        
        How come the Professor Peter is not on that list..?
        
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        December 21, 2017 5:03pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      “We”
      Snigger
      Daisycutter etc doesn’t exist…
      
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      December 21, 2017 4:54pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Like the Mafia, eh, Red? And Al Qaeda…
        
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        December 21, 2017 5:59pm
  - Harkman
    
    “Why isn’t comrade Jacob Zuma in that list?”
    
    Because he is black and an international Marxist. So people like Morri will cover for him even though he is spectacularly corrupt.
    
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    December 21, 2017 12:57pm
- realityczech
  
  Morris Dancer, why do you think Republicans only make clumsy passes, while Democrats drug and rape those bitches ?
  
  Do you think it is due to the authoritarian sense of entitlement Trump haters have ?
  
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  December 21, 2017 12:34pm
  - Morrissey
    
    You think those monsters Trump, Moore, and O’Reilly only made “clumsy passes” at their victims?
    
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    December 21, 2017 12:37pm
    - realityczech
      
      Morris Dancer, No. They don’t need to as women like strong dominant men like that. They are lining up for them.
      
      Clinton supporters are weak, nasty and pathetic. That does not make for wet pussy, which is why they resort to drugs and rape.
      
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      December 21, 2017 12:40pm
      - alloytoo
        
        Which Clinton are we referring to here?
        
        Billy or the Mrs?
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:44pm
      - realityczech
        
        alloytoo, All of the Clinton crime family are involved either in rape or covering up the rapes.
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:48pm
      - Brito
        
        Sooo much trouble…you’re in sooo much trouble!!!!
        
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        December 21, 2017 12:49pm
      - Morrissey
        
        They don’t need to as women like strong dominant men like that. They are lining up for them.
        
        You don’t believe a word of that. You know as well as anyone knows that those young beauty contestants Trump attacked like slave-girls were terrified of him as well as finding him physically repellent. And the women who have constantly complained about the likes of O’Reilly and his boss and fellow misogynist Roger Ailes find such men repellent—not only physically, but morally.
        
        As for Roy Moore: you think the children he molested, and possibly still molests, were “asking for it”, were they?
        
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        December 21, 2017 1:56pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc, strong and dominant men like you ? Joking , of course ?
        
        Trump sting and dominant after how many divorces ”
        
        Clintons resort to drugs and rape ??
        
        Pizzagate ?
        
        LOL !
        
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        December 21, 2017 5:28pm
    - Harkman
      
      Morri I want you to detail all the cases against O’Reilly. I think most are verbal abuse or a cold shoulder after being turned down for a date.
      
      What about Ted Kennedy, he killed someone.
      
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      December 21, 2017 1:02pm
      - softail 1450
        
        Harkman ,so did that piece of slime chuck schumer.
        
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        December 21, 2017 1:16pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Ted Kennedy was, and Chuck Schumer still is, disgusting. Compared to Trump, O’Reilly, and Judge Roy Moore, however, they are Mother Theresa of Calcutta.
        
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        December 21, 2017 1:59pm
      - Brito
        
        Morry is spelt with a ‘y’. It’s the masculine form. If you spell it with an ‘i’ that’s the feminine expression and Morry is all man!!!
        
        Right Morry!!!
        
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        December 21, 2017 2:54pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      For goodness sake, will you stop patronising women.
      I agree with what ‘Gandalf’ said yesterday, regarding women quite happily using sex for advancement.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/100011166/sir-ian-mckellen-taking-advantage-absolutely-will-not-do-that-includes-women-offering-sex
      Two sides of the same coin, the only thing worse than being hit on by men is being ignored by them lol.
      
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      December 21, 2017 1:26pm
      - GoVege
        
        I agree it’s time to stop persecuting old guys for behaving badly 40 years ago/ whatever.
        This is nothing new, and any actress etc would have heard about it.
        Didn’t Marilyn Monroe say she spent a lot of auditions on her knees?
        
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        December 21, 2017 2:01pm
      - Brito
        
        So did Gandalf when he was cast for the role. But Peter Jackson cast Gandalf…so…Peter Jackson is….NOOOOO!!!!
        
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        December 21, 2017 2:57pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Yes, Brito, I agree: Peter Jackson is despicable.
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-15-12-2017/#comment-1426521
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-07092014/#comment-882176
        
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        December 21, 2017 3:21pm
- BeaB
  
  Sadly, still picking on a very old man with dementia which, as we all know, can lead to lack of inhibition in speech and behaviour.
  I guess you are one of the growing mob who hate old white men.
  Never mind, you will be at least one of those three things one day.
  
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  December 21, 2017 2:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  (Hat tip to Maggy Wassilieff)
  
  Take responsibility for your own dirty work.
  
  Anyone who is tuned into international news would have been aware of the resignation of Damian Green.
  
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  December 21, 2017 2:48pm
Manolo

Calling on the incompetent messiah to do the right thing:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/24894/israeli-politician-demands-obama-return-nobel-ryan-saavedra

A bombshell report on Sunday revealed that former President Barack Obama intentionally sabotaged a major federal investigation into the Iranian-backed terrorist organization Hezbollah because he did not want the investigation to interfere with the Iran deal.

Now an Israeli politician is demanding that Obama return the Nobel Peace Prize that he won — an award that he did little to nothing to earn.
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December 21, 2017 1:12pm
- Kimbo
  
  I rather thought Obama, John Kerry and especially Murray McCully at least deserved a nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize for their collective contributions to the passage of UNSC2334. 😉
  
  But doubtless a fair few (but not all!) Israeli politicians will disagree. 😉
  
  And no, Manolo, I’m not playing the devil’s advocate. 😉
  
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  December 21, 2017 1:34pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Obama and Kerry have been active and usually shameless abetters of Israel’s depradations in the Occupied Territories and Gaza. They both should be standing trial in the International Criminal Court for that, and also for their involvement in the deaths of countless thousands in Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan and Ukraine.
    
    As for McCully: he has finally done something right. Now it’s up to our new government to see if they can maintain his good work.
    
    “New Zealand has a good reputation. On the Q+A program this morning, I was asked about the United Nations Resolution 2334 led by New Zealand last year. Each New Zealander should be so proud of that. (PROLONGED APPLAUSE) The resolution states: “The settlements are a violation of international law.” Who can deny it? Israel denies it of course. Of course, anyone can deny anything. You could say today is not Sunday, but at the end of the day some things are beyond dispute. The settlements are a brutal violation of international law. Some will try to make your government’s brave leadership in this matter an international scandal. The United States did not veto the Resolution because Obama felt guilty after eight years of doing nothing. So don’t let your politicians do the wrong thing; you know more than they do.
    
    —-Gideon Levy speaking in Auckland, 3 December 2017
    http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.co.nz/2017/12/unbelievable-brutality-day-after-day.html
    
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    December 21, 2017 6:14pm
Chuck Bird

We of course do not get aid from the US but I wonder if we will try to dictate to the US like Cindy did to Oz.

U.S. threatens countries with loss of aid over U.N. vote on Jerusalem

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_21_december_2017.html#comments
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December 21, 2017 1:37pm
- Kimbo
  
  Yeah, God forbid we would have an independent foreign policy based on our values, including the desire to be seen as an honest broker and using multilateral means to end conflicts by negotiation. Let’s just rewind to the days when we used to send troops off to fight in a stupid unwinnable war in Vietnam because the POTUS asked it of us, and American and British and Australian foreign policy was regurgitated out of Wellington with a Kiwi accent. Whether it was Pax Britannica or Pax Americana, it will always be in their interests, not necessarily ours.
  
  At least our Minister of Foreign Affairs, despite all his pre-election bluster and bullshit opposing UNSC2334 has swung into line with our long-term balanced policy on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. About the only thing Winston Peters has got right, since September 23 at the latest! 😉
  
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  December 21, 2017 1:41pm
- Morrissey
  
  It’s the U.S. that is trying to bully and threaten us and everybody else who will vote for the rule of law as opposed to the illegal occupation of the Palestinian Territories.
  
  Let’s just hope that we have the guts to stand up for our principles, like (for instance) Sweden is doing….
  
  https://www.voanews.com/a/us-isolated-at-united-nations-over-jerusalem-decision/4155927.html
  
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  December 21, 2017 2:05pm
Monique Watson

Check out this cunt.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11964001
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December 21, 2017 1:55pm
- Morrissey
  
  Quelle déception! I clicked on that link thinking that our friend Monique was posting an intimate selfie.
  
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  December 21, 2017 2:02pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    A joke like that to insult a woman – I think you’ve just revealed how fake your concerns about gropers are.
    
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    December 21, 2017 3:57pm
  - starboard
    
    Yeah..shut ya cock hole morris..hypocrite much ?
    
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    December 21, 2017 4:01pm
- softail 1450
  
  M W ,I’m reliably informed by the younger members of my extended family that cocaine is becoming ever more available in our country and at slowly dropping prices .
  might have to give up the liqour soon and give it a whirl ,LOL.
  
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  December 21, 2017 2:16pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Cocaine is the universe’s way of telling you you have too much money. Would it be less damaging to society than P (if it was cheaper and totally replaced P)
    
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    December 21, 2017 4:10pm
    - softail 1450
      
      U N. absolutely ,I am anti drug but would bet that if coke replaced P in our country we would see 1/4 of the lawbreaking we see now.
      P when used correctly turns even the smartest person into a snarling vicious animal at some stage.
      
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      December 22, 2017 6:30am
Monique Watson

I can if you want. But I’ve got a shitass of a cold and I’m not at my most presentable.
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December 21, 2017 2:07pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  A shitass certainly would not be hot, might not be every-ones cup of tea, certainly not mine, so best not!!!
  
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  December 21, 2017 2:56pm
- BrasellBrush
  
  We don’t mind Monique, post away! lol
  
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  December 21, 2017 3:05pm
- nasska
  
  Dr Nasska’s prescription is for a mug of chicken soup & a hash brownie. 🙂
  
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  December 21, 2017 3:34pm
- starboard
  
  Morris would like the shitass.
  He is a ‘bottom dweller’ if u get my drift…?..same as our finance minister
  
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  December 21, 2017 4:52pm
Monique Watson

BTW. We’re taking it to North Korea. Overnight.
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December 21, 2017 2:41pm
Jack5

The Overseas Investment Commission may have saved the ANZ Bank a shipload of money. The commission today blocked the sale of UDC Finance by ANZ to Chinese group HNA for $660 million.

UDC is a leading lender to industry in NZ and had built a reputation as a solid place for mum and dads to invest cash.

The Chinese bank, Citic, on Monday said a unit of HNA Group – HNA Aviation Group Co. – was having difficulty repaying certain short-term debts. This came just over a week after the Chinese conglomerate said it would not default in the coming year.

HNA is said to owe lenders huge amounts of debt falling due over the year.

Fortune magazine reported yesterday that HNA is selling properties, including in London, Manhattan, and Australia. HNA is believed to have about NZ$26 billion invested in world property, and has stakes in Deutsche Bank, and in the hotelier, Hilton World Wide Holdings.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11963829
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December 21, 2017 2:48pm
- big bruv
  
  Jack 5
  The OIC may well also have cost hundreds of Kiwis their jobs. The bid by HNA meant that not one Kiwi was going to be out of a job, all staff were to be retained. Now that UDC is back on the block so to speak we may well see Macquarie Capital renew their interest which will mean a 95% job loss for Kiwi workers. That is not good for anybody.
  
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  December 21, 2017 3:20pm
  - Jack5
    
    Big Bruv:
    
    I’m all for keeping these folks’ jobs. What they and their employer do are important for the country.
    
    Do you think HNA would have been able to complete the sale, given the crap it seems to be in?
    
    Perhaps the new coalition government will live up to the nationalism it trumpets and shut out private-equity hogs like Macquarie Capital from taking over – for gutting – such an important financial institution as UDC.
    
    A smart government would help someone local like Heartland into ownership, or, better, put UDC on a path of listing on the NZX, without private-equity carpet baggers ripping the guts out of it and selling sharemarket investors the remainder. Didn’t Key or Clark bail out Air NZ? Why not help create some decent size, NZ owned financial institutions?
    
    C’mon politicians, look at what private-equity jackals did with Feltex and the Dick Smith chain.
    
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    December 21, 2017 5:27pm
Sarkozygroupie

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/100081328/housing-nzs-new-meth-policy-still-months-away-but-for-now-they-are-softening-up
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December 21, 2017 3:09pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Might as well make it legal.
  
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  December 21, 2017 4:04pm
tom hunter

Non-political story…., Road and Track: The Only McLaren F1 Technician in North America. It’s a good read. I was amused by this part, with a picture…

He also has “the laptop”—a mid-1990s Compaq running custom DOS software created by McLaren when the F1 was new. This gray brick was, for many years, required to access the car’s engine control and body control modules. Today, McLaren uses a modern Windows computer running a software emulator for day-to-day computer maintenance. Hines keeps the vintage Compaq around just in case.

Other great photos too, especially of the V12 engine pulled from an F1 for service.
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December 21, 2017 4:07pm
Viking2

All good things come to those that wait and eventually you reap what you sow.

Following a string of violent attacks in Melbourne’s western suburbs, an internal memo was circulated to members of Victoria’s police force outlining “30-40 African” gang members’ failed plans to lure officers into a laneway, The Herald Sun reports.

“Police saw a group of Africans who were being very hostile… as the vehicle approached Destiny Lane, a group of 30-40 Africans ran towards Destiny Lane,’’ the memo reads.

“It’s believed this was a deliberate ploy to lure police into the laneway, with no escape or exit paths unless they drove through [a] group of people … [where they could be] easily surrounded.’’

https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/38369507/fears-new-gang-of-youths-tried-to-ambush-victoria-police-in-lane/

It gets worse. Aussie needs to chuck out its l;ousy immigrants and allow better ones.
NZ needs to stop importing scum like this.
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December 21, 2017 4:38pm
- starboard
  
  Morrissey Breen..stop downticking everyone you cowardly dirtbag..We know you are there ?
  
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  December 21, 2017 6:03pm
  - Morrissey
    
    ????
    
    I rarely if ever downtick anyone.
    
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    December 21, 2017 6:54pm
    - sooty
      
      Allow me to down tick you!
      
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      December 21, 2017 7:59pm
Viking2

British Prime Minister Theresa May has sacked her lifelong friend and de facto deputy Damian Green after he made “misleading” statements about allegations that pornography was found on computers in his parliamentary office in 2008.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/38370825/deputy-prime-minister-damian-green-resigns/
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December 21, 2017 4:44pm
Viking2

The federal government is restating its pitch to reduce the company tax rate for all businesses from 30 per cent to 25 per cent after similar moves in the US.

“We need to ensure that our businesses have the best possible opportunity to succeed. We can’t leave them with this excessive lead in their saddle bag,” Finance Minister Mathias Cormann told Sky News on Thursday.

“The future job security, the future career prospects, the future wage increases of Australian workers depend on the Australian parliament passing a more competitive business tax rate here in Australia.”

Treasurer Scott Morrison said the ground had shifted since the government first announced its plan

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/38369454/treasury-aust-must-follow-us-tax-cuts/

Jacinda had better pull finger.
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December 21, 2017 4:49pm
Jack5

Red Radio’s been trying to wind up Ardern on Trump’s warning to receivers of US aid who vote against its U.N. vote.

Comrade Ardern said she spoke on behalf of NZ a number of times, and after an election I guess she does. But as leader of a minority party in narrow-margin coalition government, does she speak on behalf of all New Zealanders?
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December 21, 2017 5:16pm
- Jack5
  
  Ardern says NZ won’t be bullied by Trump, Red Radio suggests.
  
  I thought Trump was threatening reprisals against recipients of US aid.
  
  Surely that doesn’t include NZ. The aid NZ received from the US more than 70 years ago, was saving this country from occupation by a foreign power. Have we received aid since then?
  
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  December 21, 2017 5:32pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Ardern says NZ won’t be bullied by Trump”
    
    That is correct Jacksie, – because Trump is not bullying NZ.
    
    That was the style of the ignorant filthy beast, Obama, not an intelligent statesman like Trump.
    
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    December 21, 2017 5:39pm
    - Jack5
      
      Yep, Ardern’s so far off the mark, you would think she’s hired a Stephiestani as the Great PM-PR’s PR.
      
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      December 21, 2017 5:42pm
      - realityczech
        
        Ardern is just like Obama with her hatred of white men contaminating everything she does.
        
        Trump has the intelligence and skills to rise above such pettiness, unlike the filthy beast Obama and the bimbo Ardern.
        
        America is so lucky to have such a great leader.
        
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        December 21, 2017 5:51pm
      - Jack5
        
        Easy, Kearealityczech, or you’ll overdo the Trumpeting.
        
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        December 21, 2017 5:58pm
      - realityczech
        
        Forgive me Jacksie, I just get overcome with emotion when I see what he has done for America in such a short time.
        
        Now we just need to have Obama hung for war crimes. When that boy is twitching on a rope American and the world can truly heal.
        
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        December 21, 2017 6:01pm
  - Longknives
    
    “The aid NZ received from the US more than 70 years ago, was saving this country from occupation by a foreign power.”
    
    Never happened according to the Left.
    ‘NZ was under no threat of invasion’ blah blah..
    
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    December 21, 2017 6:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack 5 , speak for all New Zealanders ? Of course not . Nor does Bill English or more especially David Seymour .
  
  But at least Cindy is doing better than you or David .
  
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  December 21, 2017 5:33pm
  - Jack5
    
    The Stephiestani Social Club going on the rampage again tonight? Going to piss up and then wreck some poor Hindis’ bar?
    
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    December 21, 2017 5:41pm
realityczech

“wrap women in cloth to stop them enticing men”

Cough …… Brittle Compared with conservative Jews like this family in your homeland ?:

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/an-ultraorthodox-jewish-family-dressed-in-costumes-celebrate-the-in-picture-id479285941

or this:

http://www.liberallifestyles.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/guru-13.jpg
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December 21, 2017 5:35pm
- Jack5
  
  “wrap women in cloth to stop them enticing men”
  
  Especially pubescent Auckland girls’ chests, to prevent young Stephiestanis from going cross-eyed.
  
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  December 21, 2017 5:50pm
  - realityczech
    
    Jacksie, I am pretty sure the loathing for predators like stupidboy transcends religious differences.
    
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    December 21, 2017 6:04pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rc,”predators like stupidboy”
      
      ????
      
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      December 21, 2017 7:31pm
- Brito
  
  Christ, its fancy dress at pre-school what’s wrong with ewe? (See what I did there?)
  
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  December 21, 2017 6:21pm
Jack5

In the September quarter GDP figures today: GDP up 0.8 per cent for the quarter; GDP per capita up 0.2 per cent.
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December 21, 2017 5:36pm
realityczech

It is Christmas, a special time for our Christian friends. Let us remember their words:

“And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his
estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove
those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God.”
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174]
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December 21, 2017 5:45pm
- Jack5
  
  RC, old fella, I reckon you should get one of these Ancestry type DNA tests done. I’m sceptical, but they reckon that DNA of Adolph Hitler relatives suggests Hitler was part Jewish.
  
  What if KeaRealityCzech found out he, too, was one of the Chosen People?
  
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  December 21, 2017 5:48pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another… while the
    enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve.”
    
    [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.309]
    
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    December 21, 2017 6:07pm
    - Brito
      
      That’ll be us, right?
      
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      December 21, 2017 6:22pm
      - realityczech
        
        Pretty sure it was Brittle.
        
        “The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in
        his own denomination, of making people stop just talking
        superficially of God’s will, and actually fulfill God’s will, and not
        let God’s word be desecrated. For God’s will gave men their form,
        their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is
        declaring war on the Lord’s creation, the divine will.”
        
        [Adolf Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 10]
        
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        December 21, 2017 6:25pm
      - Brito
        
        Look at it this way.
        
        Adolf died in the smoking ruins of Berlin. The Jews have risen up to rule the world, albeit with a bit of skulduggery, so really when you get down to it…we won.
        
        ‘The folkish minded man”…this was never going to win. His lederhosen were obviously restricting the blood to his brain. You should cut yourself free, get a quick circumcision, and you’ll be picking oranges and mowing down children in the blink of an eye.
        
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        December 21, 2017 6:33pm
      - Brito
        
        Dinner is ready. We’re feasting on Christian children followed by a dessert of Christian virgins. They play havoc with my digestion but I struggle manfully on.
        
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        December 21, 2017 6:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle, If Jesus comes back will you lot kill him [again] ?
        
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        December 21, 2017 6:40pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rc ,
      
      “When all else fails there’s always delusion. ”
      
      Conan O’Brien
      
      Hitler finds out about the Downfall Parodies
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSYk8ofhYFY
      
      LOL !
      
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      December 21, 2017 7:34pm
    - Brito
      
      Nope the Christians were right all along if that happens.
      
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      December 21, 2017 8:39pm
Victor Omega

Alabama Secretary of State John Merrill has launched an investigation into voter fraud accusations from last week’s Senate special election, in which Democrat Doug Jones was declared the winner over his Republican opponent, embattled Judge Roy Moore. Moore has yet to officially concede. –Dailywire

And that, folks, is what happens when you go on TV and say “We came here all the way from different parts of the country as part of our fellowship, and all of us pitched in to vote, and canvas together, and we got our boy elected!“
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December 21, 2017 6:00pm
- Digmen1
  
  “pitched in to vote” ?
  
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  December 21, 2017 6:38pm
  - Victor Omega
    
    That’s what he said.
    
    https://youtu.be/-PFXBJGvE28
    
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    December 21, 2017 6:46pm
starboard

Ardern..I wonder if the drapes match the carpet…or is it just plain vinyl down there??
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December 21, 2017 6:06pm
- realityczech
  
  Don’t bother asking Gayford the cross dressing first “lady-man”
  
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  December 21, 2017 6:09pm
- Brito
  
  At her age I’d say tropical jungle with accompanying snakes and bacteria….eeewwwww!!!
  
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  December 21, 2017 6:23pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Starboard:
  
  Do you suppose it’s time for an extreme makeover? Mr Gayford seems like the sort of guy who’d feel at home in the Bunnings Warehouse?
  
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  December 21, 2017 6:23pm
- RF
  
  starboard.
  
  Bugger… just spilt my whisky visualising the commie chic looking like a plucked chicken
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:28pm
RF

Another example proving that labour is not a friend of the farming community.

The local farmers wives and partners group had their Xmas piss up last weekend.

Emotional concerns were expressed as its no secret that Labour’s policies are anti farming.

Profit margins are very tight and some of the looney Greens policies that they want to impose will see farmers going to the wall.

But hey… the commie chic knows all about farming as her parents once had a cow and some chickens.
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December 21, 2017 6:15pm
lifesgood

Did anyone see the Dotcom doco last night? I didn’t and was wondering what slant it took. I’m presuming it would be sympathetic to him but may be wrong. I simply couldn’t bear to watch the fat slob.
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December 21, 2017 6:30pm
- sooty
  
  I tried. But the slanted bullshit made me turn it off after five minutes. Export the fat slug. Tie him to his court chair and park him on the end of the runway. The yanks can use a herc or a drone. Either, doesn’t worry me!
  
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  December 21, 2017 7:54pm
Digmen1

Jacinda on the streets begging

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99882671/pm-makes-donation-appeal-for-auckland-needy

I’m sorry I cant spare anything as my tax cuts have gone.

I’ll try to find enough to buy some condoms, chick peas, canned tomatoes, and I think I have an old treadmill.
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December 21, 2017 6:36pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Digmen1:
  
  The article doesn’t say whether Jacinda has personally donated to the City Mission cause. Are you able to enlighten us old chap?
  
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  December 21, 2017 6:46pm
- godruelf
  
  I noted that TVNZ news didn’t show any of those queing for the food parcels…We couldn’t see how malnourished they were.
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:03pm
RF

If it’s good enough for JK to donate some of his salary I am sure the commie chic can spare some of her $500,000.00 to help out with poverdy.

Then again it’s different when the left are involved as she will need to buy Gayman some ladies underwear.
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December 21, 2017 6:54pm
- Longknives
  
  That I am aware Jacinda ‘Capitalism has Failed’ Ardern hasn’t donated one cent of her whopping $500k salary to Charity despite repeatedly wagging her horrid bony finger at us and endlessly lecturing us on the ‘Evils of Money’ throughout the Election campaign!..
  Also- How much was she paid from Vogue? (The most Capitalist of Capitalist publications I must add..)
  To those who voted for this vile fraudster I will quote the great Johnny Rotten-
  ‘Ever get the feeling you’ve been cheated??’
  
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  December 21, 2017 7:28pm
- nasska
  
  It must be quite romantic when they share the same house, the same interests, the same underwear drawer…… 🙂
  
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  December 21, 2017 7:30pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Do you have any more revelations about Helen and Peter? 🙂
    
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    December 21, 2017 7:33pm
    - nasska
      
      Not really Nostra. Though I would point out that Helen & Peter seldom shared the same city, continent or fridge contents for that matter. 🙂
      
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      December 21, 2017 7:38pm
      - stigie
        
        Are they still married my i ask, why don’t you see them together, is H1 embarrassed to be seen with the homo..?
        
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        December 21, 2017 7:58pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        They were last seen together at the Labour Party election campaign launch in August:
        
        Clark has been given a standing ovation at the Labour Party launch – the first time she has attended a major party event since 2008. Clark is at the launch with husband Peter Davis.
        
        And, before that, was this public display of affection…
        
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        December 21, 2017 8:07pm
      - stigie
        
        “this public display of affection”
        
        The forced public display of affection i would call it Nostra “Yuk”
        
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        December 21, 2017 8:14pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        If you look closely, Stigie, Helen seems to have her hand on Peter’s … hmmm… as you say, a bit forced!
        
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        December 21, 2017 8:16pm
      - stigie
        
        His hands are quite dainty compared to Helen’s..?
        That tells us all something !~
        
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        December 21, 2017 8:20pm
Viking2

The wreck of Australia’s first submarine HMAS AE1 has been found more than 103 years after it disappeared.

A fresh search to find the vessel that only began last week found it in more than 300 metres of water off the coast of the Duke of York Island in Papua New Guinea.

AE1 vanished off Rabaul on September 14, 1914 and the fate of her 35 Australian and British crew members was one of the biggest mysteries in Australian military history.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/100087902/aussie-submarine-lost-103-years-ago-found-off-papua-new-guinea
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December 21, 2017 7:35pm
- nasska
  
  It was to be another 81 years until the next Aussie submarine met a similar fate. 🙂
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yau9A7XDHs
  
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  December 21, 2017 7:42pm
Nostradamus

Teen sex grooming or Christian fellowship? Mother of Kiwi teen turned away at LAX claims mistreatment

A 37-year-old convicted sex offender in the US befriended a Kiwi teen online seeking answers about God and then joined Facebook groups with the teen and his friends. After a four-year online friendship the 17-year-old decided to travel to the US to meet the man.
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The teen was stopped by US customs agents and police when he landed at Los Angeles airport in early December and sent back home – with US authorities saying he had a lucky escape.
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The 17-year-old was stopped at Los Angeles International Airport on a Monday early in December at 6am after arriving with $26 in his pocket and on a one-way ticket, according to Carlos Martel, Director of Field Operations at Customs and Border Protection, Los Angeles.

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But the boy’s mother insists the sex offender “is a very, very good man” and the authorities have it all wrong. … The boy’s mother says in retrospect she thinks she should have written a letter to go with her son to explain the situation.

The mind boggles… a mother sends her 17-year-old son on a solo trip around the world to spend time with a convicted sex offender.
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December 21, 2017 7:52pm
- nasska
  
  Belief in mythical beings can truly warp judgement & common sense even amongst mothers.
  
  This should serve as a reminder to all parents about the freaks who feign piety to gain access to children.
  
  But it won’t!
  
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  December 21, 2017 7:59pm
EAD_TWO

The Jewish war on Christmas continues:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-rabbis-instruct-hotels-to-drop-christmas-trees/
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December 21, 2017 7:56pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Many of Trump’s supporters, especially Christian evangelicals, have responded well to his campaign promise of restoring Christmas’s role as an all-American major holiday, a concept seen as providing the religious element to Trump’s pledge of “making America great again.” For those members of the Jewish community, who had marveled in the incremental progress toward a more minority-sensitive approach in the past decade, Trump’s promise raises the possibility of a setback.
  
  Sarna, who had written extensively on the role that Christmas plays in American Jewish life, warned against focusing on the “silliness” of Christmas greetings and symbols while avoiding the bigger issue at stake. “The question is, what country do we want,” he said. “Do we want to be a country that is welcoming and sensitive to minorities or a country where the majority imposes views on the minority?”
  
  https://forward.com/news/national/357658/donald-trump-sounds-war-on-christmas-battle-cry-should-jews-be-worried/
  
  I guess Brittle will be on soon to denounce The Times of Israel & Forward as “Nazi propoganda”❗
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:09pm
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD TWO , I wonder if the time is nigh for all those Jewish Nobel Laureates to flee America as they did in Germany with rise of Hitler ,
    
    https://www.vanderbilt.edu/AnS/physics/brau/H182/Term%20Papers/Eric%20Weiss.html
    
    and ,
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTcboHrhEls
    
    LOL!
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:12pm
  - Brito
    
    EAD, bless you. The Master of the Universe said the sick and the infirm should always be in our prayers (and our sights).
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:37pm
  - Brito
    
    They need to ban you apologists. What a piece of shit.
    
    Gloves are off arsehole!!!!!!!
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:41pm
  - realityczech
    
    [I guess Brittle will be on soon to denounce The Times of Israel & Forward as “Nazi propoganda”❗]
    
    Oh yes EAD here on KB the ultra right wing zionist Times of Israel gets, by far, the most hysterical cries of “nazi/anti semite”.
    
    The state of Israel is founded on murder and lies. They fear nothing more than the truth.
    
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    December 22, 2017 5:00am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO, seems Christmas Trees as usual in Bethlehem ,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E30MwgG2v6A
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:24pm
RF

Nasty shit going down in Melbourne looking like a terriorist attack.

19 people run down by a vehicle near Flinders Street station.

Driver and passenger arrested.
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December 21, 2017 8:33pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  I was over there recently and Federation Square looked like some kind of scene straight outta Mogadishu.
  
  Hardly an Australian in sight
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:43pm
  - Brito
    
    Two Jews, two Uzi’s…no problem.
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:47pm
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD TWO , Jews to blame for that too ?
    
    What kind of meltdown did you have ?
    
    This ?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7PmzdINGZk
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:49pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    EAD:
    
    Did you happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
    
    Wild gang brawl sees teens bashed by African gang in St Kilda
    
    A large gang of youths has allegedly bashed and robbed tourists in a wild brawl at Melbourne’s St Kilda Beach. Police said they struggled to contain the violent situation on the St Kilda foreshore as young people of African appearance, allegedly robbed and assaulted beachgoers on Wednesday night. Witnesses say there were hundreds of youths and police struggled to contain the violence.
    
    Hundreds of thugs…
    
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    December 21, 2017 8:53pm
- stephieboy
  
  Another Dimitrious “Jimmy” Gargasoulas moment ?
  
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  December 21, 2017 8:53pm
nasska

Just looking at the nativity scene at my local church & I can’t help thinking how much it reminds me of the average South Auckland address……

……a mother, a baby, loads of hangers on & some bloke who isn’t the father
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December 21, 2017 9:03pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Just looking at the nativity scene at my local church
  
  Were you looking for inspiration for your “religion today” column?
  
  Krazykiwi and Kimbo will be pleased!
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:24pm
  - nasska
    
    Just identfying & checking out any potentially dangerous molestation zones my future great grandchildren might face Nostra. 🙂
    
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    December 21, 2017 9:33pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/serious-situation-unfolding-at-flinders-and-elizabeth-streets-20171220-h089ce.html

Picture of suspect here.

Cop on scene believes incident had a nasty intent.

Radio Nz are saying no link to terrorism.

All I can gather is that whatever the motive it was an act of love and mercy.

2+2=5
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December 21, 2017 9:05pm
- rangitoto
  
  The other guy.
  
  http://imgur.com/2yEmoew.jpg
  
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  December 21, 2017 9:32pm
Monique Watson

The SAS, the RM, and the Black Jack Brigade and the SK commandos are about to pull some crazy shit to Get rid of Jong-un. I know this shit due to going to detox with a commander who reported to the Top.
Liver is fine, thanks for asking.
BTW. Get out of Bitcoin. And Ardern is going up against Nikki Haley who is going to piss all over her.
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December 22, 2017 12:31am
Manolo

Christmas, time to love your fellow citizens:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/21/ben-rhodes-muses-about-pence-ryan-and-mcconnells-death-scalises-response-shut-him-down/

Former Obama deputy national security advisor Ben Rhodes mused about the deaths of top Republicans on Twitter Thursday before being scolded by GOP Rep. Steve Scalise of Louisiana, who was severely injured in the June Congressional baseball practice shooting.
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December 22, 2017 6:07am
Pharmachick

Just wanted to comment on this:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11964676

I feel terrible for this young girl. It was a prank, and a funny one at that. Even the boy that was injured and his Dad didn’t want charges. But the [female] principal of the boys school was, apparently on the warpath.

Kids are kids and teenagers are teenagers. It actually surprised me in this day and age that several girls did this. Thats on them and their license to be themselves.

I’m so tired of the PC bullshit. I’m so sorry this ended up in court. Clearly I am an “old”
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