General Debate 20 December 2017

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Dave Mann

Good morning Kiwiblggers….only 5 sleeps to go! 😀
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December 20, 2017 8:03am
Paulus

Wish it was 5 sleeps to go before the next General Election !
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December 20, 2017 8:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  Listening to the farce on the news about the foreign investors, David Clarke and Clare (open govt) Currant Bun, so do I.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:15am
  - Paulus
    
    Forgive Clark and Current – they are from Dunedin so that explains nothing.
    
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    December 20, 2017 8:48am
    - Viking2
      
      Forgive Clark and Current – they are from Dunedin so that explains ~~nothing.~~everything.
      
      Just like Christchurch with it religion and sex issues.
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:28am
      - hullkiwi
        
        …and I know, Auckland is just full of Jafas.
        
        Strange thing though is the percentage not born in Auckland is more than 50% & the percentage not born in NZ is also a significant minority. Only helps Auckland be more screwed up than it ever was!
        
        PS I’m a genuine Auckland bred individual.
        
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        December 20, 2017 12:41pm
- Colville
  
  No No No!
  We need the COL and Taxcinda to stay in “power” for the full term or the full extent of their incompetence and dishonesty wont be obvious to Mr and Mrs Joe Average. (tho petrol may be $3 a liter!)
  Otherwise there is a real danger that Taxcinda could rise from the ashes to stand again.
  The great thing about Labour “winning” the election is the bloodshed and much needed purge of the front bench has been held off (again) and still there is no real leader in their ranks.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:17am
  - VicParking
    
    Jacinda, our Secret Santa, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny and St Nicholas. The only one she is not is Sinterklaas as she is going to ban coal mining.
    
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    December 20, 2017 8:23am
    - G152
      
      Ah those racist Dutch with their Black Peter
      
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      December 20, 2017 8:38am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        As opposed to a Brown Peters?
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:39am
Happychappy

Barry Soper, Winston Firsts mouthpiece putting the boot into National again and and making excuses for why this germ of application should have to swallow dead rats after National tried to make his Party extinct. The all forget that Peters went round rural trying to grab the National vote to enhance his prospect of becoming Prime Minister while Andrew Little had Labour in a unelectable position in the polls and also told his usual lies in trying with Sopers help to discredit Bill English as a Leader with texts Peters never had. So as time will tell National dodged a bullet by not being selected in this germs coalition and maybe Winston will have to swallow a lot more rats to wriggle his way out of being most probably the worst Government in history to have been elected to power.
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December 20, 2017 8:15am
- igm
  
  Not being picky, but this pile of excrement were not elected to power; in fact, Crockery was selected to power by a toxic gnome.
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:21am
  - ztev
    
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    Oh the hurt shows …… may you suffer for many more years
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:09am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      So Ztev, you acknowledge that this government is causing suffering! Well done!
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:34am
- kowtow
  
  Fake News is Ok when the media do it.
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:36am
oldgolfer

I’m not sure Cindy will get much sleep before Santa comes – she has much to worry about, not least rising rents, a falling dollar, plummeting business confidence, a possible fall in dairy prices and a coterie of incompetent ministers. Other than that, everything should be fine – and her fence has already been painted.
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December 20, 2017 8:17am
- hullkiwi
  
  Geez, we are a bunch of Gringes towards the smiley Tooth Fairy, and she deserves all of it, for being the lying fraud that she is!
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:24am
  - doggone7
    
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    Yeah, bring back Honest John! He could be relied on for the truth.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:05am
- Paulus
  
  Cinderella rises above all these things – she is so thick that it floats over her – and will continue to do so.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:50am
  - holysheet
    
    You mean like shit always rises to the top?
    Her posatividy knows no bounds these days.
    Better to be at the top of the heap, even if it is a big heap of shit.
    
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    December 20, 2017 11:34am
    - hullkiwi
      
      My sentiments also. Or put another way, the Peter (not Peters) Principle, being promoted to her level of incompetence. Which in Taxcinda’s situation happens to coincide with being the head honcho of the shit heap that is the CoL.
      
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      December 20, 2017 2:04pm
- MrTips
  
  One suspects she is still in shock from the blunt introduction to reality and her airy fairy policies that occured within days of her taking office. The heads of Treasury, RB, Stateservices etc left her in no doubt in that office all on her own.
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:16am
- Maxx
  
  Haha. You imply that she is worried by this?
  
  This is after all the legacy of the Nats and the filthy capitalist scum that they represent.
  
  We now can’t afford to wait for a new election to bring forth the revolution and we MUST tax these filthy rich pricks NOW!
  
  I wait for her to execute order 66 in the New Year.
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:22am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Come on guys, Maxx was joking!
    
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    December 20, 2017 1:18pm
VicParking

Dead by sideways. Every dead in a car accident is a shame but as Xmas approaches we start to get single drivers being killed. Last night one hit a bridge and one a logging truck. The issue I raise here is that our modern PC world does not call these accidents for what they are. Bring on rubble strips, I’m sure these will stop these poor people giving up their lives….NO.
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December 20, 2017 8:17am
- cmm
  
  Curiously correlated with not wearing a seat belt.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:32am
  - hullkiwi
    
    No, no, no, according to the transport blog’s pinup JAGuar, the Assoc Min of Transport, it’s all Nationals fault for not investing in road safety. The fact roads are more safer than ever is irrelevant & despite excessive levels of revenue gathering road police. I suppose if you believe dogma, evidence is irrelevant.
    
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    December 20, 2017 8:38am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The obvious way to fix it is to fine every driver doing 4 km/h over the speed limit.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:37am
- Paulus
  
  No good rumble strips unless you cut the Power Poles and Trees down.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:51am
  - peterwn
    
    Until the late 1990’s many electricity distribution companies had programmes to progressively underground their networks especially in urban and suburban areas. However industry changes and the attitude of the regulatory agencies caused these programmes to cease.
    There are still street light standards – however the modern ones are designed to shear off at the base etc to minimise harm if one was hit.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:04am
    - cmm
      
      Rumble strips are only any use in rural areas on long roads.
      
      Rumble strips in urban areas are murder on pedestrians and cyclists.
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:22am
    - ztev
      
      Still happening in the parts of Auckland covered by old AEPB, now Vector
      https://www.vector.co.nz/personal/electricity/undergrounding-other-projects
      
      I think in Napier they have completed their undergrounding – it was a long time earthquake proofing project
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:27am
    - KH
      
      Street lights that shear off when hit !! Thats nothing flash. Think about the thousands of power poles owned by Aurora in Otago that just shear off without being hit. Now that’s something.
      
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      December 20, 2017 3:35pm
  - cmm
    
    Power poles and trees are basically vertical rumble strips…
    
    It is time the politicians face facts – there is a growing number of suicide by vehicle. It is a nice way to off yourself without making it obvious to those left behind that it is what you did.
    
    The increasing relentless attack on masculinity sure makes it harder for young blokes to find their way in the world.
    
    Just being born with a dick makes you part of the evil patriarchy. It’s like Catholic original sin with having the path to redemption through faith and prayer.
    
    Then add to that the constant messaging that the deck is stacked against you and you can see why blokes in particular write themselves off.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:21am
    - VicParking
      
      Born white with a dick and not having two mothers. I wonder how these males survive to middle age.
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:29am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “a nice way to off yourself”
      
      Can’t agree. Too much can go wrong and you end up in pain and/or helpless for a long, miserable existence. No way would I do it like that!
      
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      December 20, 2017 1:23pm
  - Viking2
    
    http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/169350-one-dead-crash-near-pyes-pa.html
    
    Another mobile tree?
    
    Sleep deprived drivers.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:41am
itstricky

Hosking does a marvellous job and manages the double of both parodying himself and pontificating about pontificating. You win, Jeremy Wells.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11962974
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December 20, 2017 8:23am
- sam green
  
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  Careful itstricky – people on here think he makes the lame walk.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:36am
- ztev
  
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  Dont let the door catch you on the arse on the way out ‘Hosk’
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:39am
  - sooty
    
    Who’s Jeremy Wells?
    
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    December 20, 2017 8:49am
  - RF
    
    He’s a good bastard and a breath of fresh air. He must really piss off your crew Ztev.
    
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    December 20, 2017 8:50am
  - sam green
    
    Is he still “friends” with Michael?
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:10am
  - MrTips
    
    Ah ztev, just because your arse can’t get through the door, doesn’t mean your jealousy should go online.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:18am
    - ztev
      
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      jealous?
      the 52 yr old fop with designer ripped jeans, It would look ridiculous on a 32 yr old .
      
      he will have to manage without the extra $0.5 mill a year from TVNZ and just make do with the $0.7mill from ZB. His wife is going to have to go back to work !
      She is , doing the 6am slot on his show
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:34am
      - Lance
        
        Ratings are a bitch aren’t they ztev.
        Time for you lefties to have the ratings doctored
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:07am
      - ztev
        
        Ratings show RNZ morning show has more listeners than the 52 yr old fop.
        hes not even nationwide on radio
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:11am
      - srylands
        
        What on earth is a fop?
        
        The only attraction of morning report is no ads. But that is now offset by overall vileness. So it is down to The Economist podcasts.
        
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        December 20, 2017 11:39am
      - waikatogirl
        
        ztev: “he will have to manage without the extra $0.5 mill a year from TVNZ and just make do with the $0.7mill from ZB.”
        
        Nice Mike is able to give up $0.5m income. Guessing you will never be in that position ztev.
        Green eyed monster colours your perspective! ?
        
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        December 20, 2017 12:09pm
      - Garbageman
        
        Your pathetic envy drips off every word ztev one can only imagine what a sad fuck that sits trolling on blogs all day looks like but i will take an educated stab in the dark
        https://imgur.com/gallery/m8Z6H5l
        
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        December 20, 2017 1:05pm
      - ztev
        
        A FOP “a man who is concerned with his clothes and appearance in an affected and excessive way”
        
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        December 20, 2017 4:32pm
- Lance
  
  One of few remaining non far left men left in the media. All lefty relentless scheming is focused to bring him down.
  itstricky et al really do suck lemons, sour, bitter and very twisted.
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:06am
  - sam green
    
    “All lefty relentless scheming is focused to bring him down”
    
    Like Key’s directive to get rid of the left wing “prick” Campbell and his toadies – Christie and Weldon – carrying it out.
    
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    December 20, 2017 12:33pm
    - Lance
      
      WTF?
      
      Repeat after me; Low ratings…. L-O-W… R-A-T-I-N-G-S
      
      Nobody was watching the Ponsonby Communist
      
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      December 20, 2017 12:47pm
    - Garbageman
      
      Squawk i get all my news from The Standard Squawk
      
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      December 20, 2017 1:10pm
    - sam green
      
      Sorry – I was wrong – it was bastard not prick.
      
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      December 20, 2017 1:39pm
oldpark

Here we go again. Business confidence in NZ for the third Month in a row, has taken a hit.
Who would have thought that NZ had Suicide Bombers.
Except we have a different type of Suicide Bombers.
With the “selection” of the present Government,by the pest for all reasons and seasons a guy called Peters.
Looks like “Pest” Peters has supplied all the ingredients for a massive blow out for NZs economy.
To think that in just a few short weeks the decision by Peters has caused NZs economy to stall ,with participants not knowing which way to go,with the good ship NZ virtually becalmed.
That is bad enough for NZ ,with confidence heading down to Zero for NZs business.Next year 2018 may prove to be even worse,with the good ship NZs well being and way of life getting smashed pieces on the rocks .
With puppet master Peters pulling the strings of the Lie-bour/Green /Peters/cabal,and a St Trinians School girl look-a-like Called Ardern dancing to his “hard to be humble “demands.
Will he excel himself even more in 2018 and throw off the mask of being the so called deputy PM,and reveal the secret that he is the real NZ Prime Minister,and get the “Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern to come clean on the secret 38 page document that has now become top secret.
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December 20, 2017 8:24am
- VicParking
  
  Its not all bad. The Banks will do well lending the $80 billion to the government.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:31am
  - ztev
    
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    That is the debt at the handover from 9 years of national- it was another $7 bill the current year alone.
    
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    December 20, 2017 8:40am
    - mandk
      
      I never imagined you would be a fan of austerity, ztev.
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:19am
      - ztev
        
        Just dislike all the lies told on how well National has managed the economy by being ‘fiscally responsible’
        The have been more Keynsian than Keynes, or in everyday speak ‘borrowed till the pips squeak’
        
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        December 20, 2017 4:29pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ ztev
        
        I seem to recall the likes of Trevor Mallard criticising Key’s government in 2008-11 because, unlike Australia under Gillard, they weren’t borrowing enough to “kick start” (pump prime) the NZ economy in response to the GFC.
        
        Or has that factoid now been erased and consigned down the Labour Party worm hole? 😉
        
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        December 20, 2017 4:32pm
  - Harkman
    
    VP, that $80b from the banks will then be turned into another $500b in new money.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:03am
    - ztev
      
      Complete financial gibberish.
      
      Banks arent going to be interested in Government bonds at 2.5%
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:12am
  - Viking2
    
    Instead of lending to house buyers.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:44am
VicParking

For every critic of the USA’s drop in corporate tax there are two who are saying it will do good, raising employment etc etc. Funny we are only hearing the critics on Red Radio.
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December 20, 2017 8:29am
- hullkiwi
  
  Led by the BBC (they long ago lost their impartiality), strange that?
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:43am
- ztev
  
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  Corporate taxes have dropped previously, no indication it produced increases in employment.
  
  Do you have any idea of the rise in employment since 2011 under the current US company tax system ?
  
  2011 8.9%
  2017 4.9%
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:45am
  - Simon
    
    Labour force participation has been dropping. With Trump it will soar again. MAGA
    
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    December 20, 2017 8:57am
    - ztev
      
      Wrong again.
      
      The ’employment rate’ peaked at 65% in 2000, had a steep fall from 63% in 06/07 to 58% in 2011
      
      Its been rising since then and was 60% in 2016. no no doubt the rise has continued in 2017
      https://www.statista.com/statistics/192398/employment-rate-in-the-us-since-1990/
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:16am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        interesting, hard to know what it implies without accounting for demographics.
        
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        December 20, 2017 9:50am
      - Harkman
        
        Ztev, it was 67% during the tech stock bubble. The participation rate shot up from the late-1960s as baby boomers joined the work force, women joined the work force and the inflation from paper money made it impossible for there to be one income households. The lowest point in recent memory was November 2015, 62.5%.
        
        https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?id=CIVPART,
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:13am
      - ztev
        
        Jobs leaving the country!
        Trump was correct on picking that one. But he of course brings in temporary foreign workers for his resorts. ( cheaper)
        Making Trump Richer Again.
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:15am
  - flipper
    
    Somehow I don’t think zetev needs to TRY to be an ARSEHOLE. He is, by definition, a toxic and ignorant arsehole…..and one who is so far up the Hezbollah-loving Obama’s fundamental that he only has time to misrepresent matters ( like how the Peters-Ardern Regime is already screwing ordinary working folks) in NZ and the USA before he flees back to his own black hole to receive instructions from Fraser House and the standard.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:33am
- cmm
  
  Apparently Hispanic unemployment levels are now their lowest ever.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:48am
  - Simon
    
    Yep black unemployment dropping as well.
    
    Once tax has been reduced or gone for those under $50k their wages will soar.
    
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    December 20, 2017 8:56am
- MCos
  
  What I don’t understand, and maybe someone here can explain, is why the American deficit, which was such a big issue for the republicans a few years ago, isn’t anymore?
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:56am
  - Simon
    
    Because under Obama the US had a chicken shit economy dispite massive deficit spending and nil interest rates.
    
    That has changed with Trump. Wages will increase, tax revenue will increase and living standards will soar.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:19am
    - MCos
      
      “Tax revenue will increase”??
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:31am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yes, it will.
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:35am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘What I don’t understand, and maybe someone here can explain, is why the American deficit, which wasnt such a big issue for the Democrats a few years ago, is now?’
    
    There, fixed it for you.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:34am
dime

i saw some homeless people the other day. for shame chompers!!!

i thought she cared!!!
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December 20, 2017 8:42am
- stigie
  
  There’s no homeless people in NZ now Dime, this new guvment has fixed all that..?
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:46am
  - Harkman
    
    Yes, they will simply stop counting them.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:15am
- hullkiwi
  
  Seems, Vic students are finding out the hard way exactly what English & Joyce said would happen if accommodation subsidies were increased. Rents would go up by the same. So who was asleep last year & in May, Twitford & Taxcinda?
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:47am
  - Monty
    
    As a landlord I’m happy. As a parent of two students in Auckland not so much
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:04am
  - doggone7
    
    I reckon wages should go down drastically and all benefits should be slashed dramatically.
    
    Then rents will be virtually zero.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:07am
    - Digmen1
      
      Yes, that would start to make us more competitive with countries that have a much lower minimum wage than eg.
      Eg Canada, the USA.
      Let alone China and Malaysia, Chile.
      
      Then we need to lower our costs, Housing, Fat cat CEO’s power, rates, groceries, building materials etc etc
      
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      December 20, 2017 1:13pm
  - ztev
    
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    When did they go up ?
    Nothing is changing until well into next year!
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:10am
    - dime
      
      next year? heartless assholes!!!!!
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:42am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Zdiv, go and listen to Morning Report between 7.30am & 8.00am this morning. Susie Ferguson was interviewing someone from Vic’s Student Assoc. on the subject.
      
      You, not keeping up with your research or keeping control of the supporter minions then?
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:50am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      Damn I hate using my phone for kb. I accidentally have ztev an up tick.
      How do I claw it back?
      
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      December 20, 2017 11:44am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Do what oob did yesterday trying n the debate about Goofy’s approval score.
        I hate KB on the phone because of bloody predictive text!
        
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        December 20, 2017 12:32pm
  - Maxx
    
    And I thought it was just going to go straight to the brewing companies.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:27am
  - Rich Prick
    
    You have to chuckle, Cindy dishes out free money to the students and the landlords hoover it up. Capitalism 1: Socialism 0.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:36am
  - VicParking
    
    It costs $50 a week just to keep replacing the batteries, fire alarms and keep up with Wellingtons ever changing accomidation warrant of fitness rules.
    Sold all our flats to a nice asian man who wanted to increase his stock before the government passed the new law, did not mind as he was going to triple the number of people renting each room. “I run three shifts a day so they never meet each other”
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:41am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Seriously? I think he’ll get into trouble. What when one is sick, has to change times, needs a rest? I don’t believe it.
      
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      December 20, 2017 1:39pm
- Simon
  
  They were just waiting for their Kiiwi Built home to be completed this afternoon
  
  Statistics show with the new government poverty has been eliminated. Can’t argue against science.
  
  It’s a new world comrades. This time socialism will be implemented properly!
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:53am
- Longknives
  
  It’s Christmas too Dime- Peak time of the year for Suicides.
  Be interesting to see if Chompers has cured that problem like she claims to have ended ‘Poverdy’..
  
  (It always astounded me that Labour used the Suicide rate as a way to attack the National Government- I’m fairly sure Suicide isn’t a new phenomenon..)
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:54am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    People put way too much pressure on themselves over xmas, present wise and food wise, plus often catering for bludging relatives.
    
    I hope people camping for the holidays are not going to be considered homeless, or is living in a tent only a problem when you have no other choice?
    
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    December 20, 2017 11:04am
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    I thought that was one of her promises: no more suicides?
    
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    December 20, 2017 1:41pm
Paulus

Wonderful news that the High Court has upheld the Commerce Commission to not allow NZME and Fairfax to merge.
They will each collapse better on their own.
I see that the Herald today being desperate is back on the Barclay affair – whew is that the best that they can do ?
Barclay was naive and inexperienced, who has lost his job, for which he was duly elected, due to a vicious old lady.
This was an employment matter whereby a duly selected and elected MP made a mistake by not getting rid of a venal old staff member who made it quite clear that she and her associate clowns did not like him.
So she ups and leaves to join the Peters Party.
Sad old Lady really.
At least Barclay will know in future who can be trusted.
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December 20, 2017 8:46am
- gump
  
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  He committed a crime and made Bill English look an idiot when the attempt at a coverup fell apart.
  
  Barclay wasn’t “naive and inexperienced” he was criminally incompetent.
  
  With the exception of the Fork & Tap nobody in Clutha-Southland will miss the useless shiney-arsed prick.
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:01am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well how come he wasn’t charged. You need proof to charge and for all the bluster and lies from Winston and the media no one could produce the facts that were needed.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:21am
    - ztev
      
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      Why did Bill English tell the police that Barclay had made a recording of the staff while he was out of the office.
      And why did Barclay, if he was an ‘innocent man’,
      refuse to be interviewed by police
      refused to let police search the office
      refused to let police access any details of the office fitout which may have included recording equipment.
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:42am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Who cares! Move on. ?????
        
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        December 20, 2017 12:27pm
      - Viking2
        
        Because he was not required to by law.
        You know that stuff you keep telling us about.
        
        Just like we were not told about pledge card spending and Chinese funding and so on.
        
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        December 20, 2017 1:09pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Yeah Viking2. And surely you, Ztev, would be the last person to trust the Police to search your … well, anything?
        
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        December 20, 2017 1:46pm
  - Liberty
    
    gump
    So what is your opinion of an ageing MP attempting to diddle his super.
    Are you going to condem him?
    After all you are being a moralistic twat over Barclay.
    
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    December 20, 2017 3:16pm
- ztev
  
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  What about the other staff member ( they are not his employees) in Queenstown he fired, was she too, old and venal?. And the electorate chair who sided with the long serving staff members, was he a problem too.
  It was a criminal matter when you make secret recordings of other people conversations.
  If he had any credibility, he should have resigned immediately he refused to cooperate with the police enquiry into a criminal matter.
  Beehive knew all about the details and the extent of the coverup, they did nothing
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:06am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Has Labour ever done anything more than “acknowledge” Philip Field’s conviction and imprisonment for corruption when he was an MP and Minister?
    
    Don’t come preaching righteousness around here ztev.
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/08/fields_guilt_and_labours_shame.html
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:22am
    - Kimbo
      
      Clark did nothing wrong with Field. Stepped back, allowed the investigation to proceed and respected natural justice/without prejudicing the result by axing him from the party. Turned out they gave him enough rope by which he hanged himself politically and they had just grounds to expel him from the party. The conviction and imprisonment followed after that. Only damage to Labour was that it happened to one of their MPs and Ministers, but they cauterised it.
      
      In contrast, whether they knew all the details, National should have cut Barclay loose as soon as he refused to cooperate fully with a police investigation. That was the perfect time and a just as well as politically useful reason. As Prebble did with Donna Awatere-Huata when the initial investigation was made into her affairs. MPs should be accountable to a higher standard.
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:28am
    - ztev
      
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      What has this got to do with Barclay – Old sock
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:42am
      - Lance
        
        The irony drips from his lips
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:12am
      - Rich Prick
        
        … so asks the squirrel hoarder.
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:47am
      - srylands
        
        What is an old sock? It is like you have this whole alt vocabulary.
        
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        December 20, 2017 11:42am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I think he reads Wodehouse. Lots of fun. ‘Fop’ and ‘old sock’ are the kind of language Wooster would read.
        
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        December 20, 2017 1:47pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Sorry, ‘Wooster would use’, not ‘read’.
        
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        December 20, 2017 2:36pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s the expression Bradbury Fisher employs.
        
        “Gladdy, old socks, ” he said, “we’ve been friends for years.”
        “No, we haven’t,” said Gladstone Bott.
        
        – P.G. Wodehouse 1926: The Heart of a Goof
        
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        December 20, 2017 3:12pm
  - Kimbo
    
    If he had any credibility, he should have resigned immediately he refused to cooperate with the police enquiry into a criminal matter.
    
    Yep. At least
    
    1. Metiria Turei said she will cooperate with any investigation into her historic benefit fraud, and has thus far. And she isn’t even an MP anymore.
    
    2. Golriz Ghahaman was only selective in reporting the details of her CV.
    
    Irrespective of the fact that Barclay may have indeed accidentally recorded the conversation, his failure to front up and cooperate fully with the police investigation was a shocker. He may have had that legal right as a private citizen, but not morally as an MP.
    
    And the Beehive’s response was inept too. Barclay should have been cut loose a lot earlier. Kiwiblog’s failure to post on the issue compared to the never-ending stream of posts on Turei and Ghaharaman was also less than impressive.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:23am
    - ztev
      
      Richard Prebble took action once he knew Donna Awatere wasnt cooperating with police- she was expelled from caucus.
      Why didnt Bill do the same ?
      English went after Maurice Williamson and he was ‘suspended’ merely because of atipathy to English. The later sacking from Ministry by Key was because he was seen as ‘involving himself in an individual prosecution’ regarding a large donor ( who never lived in his electorate)- thats what people hire lawyers for
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:49am
      - Kimbo
        
        You didn’t mention Brian Connell or Richard Worth. The cynic/realist in me suggests the difference with them, Williamson and Barclay was the difficulty in removing the latter as an electorate MP, and also the government’s slim majority at the time.
        
        Also agree with the nonsense of suspending Williamson during English’s first tenure as leader. Was contrary to National Party principles – for example, Muldoon the supposed tyrannical dictator used to tolerate much more public dissent from the likes of Marilyn Waring and Mike Minogue. And English paid for it, because it made him appear weak, whereas Muldoon would have laughed off Williamson as a crank.
        
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        December 20, 2017 9:59am
    - realityczech
      
      “Metiria Turei said she will cooperate with any investigation into her historic benefit fraud, and has thus far.”
      
      Bullshit Bimbo, she has lied from the start.
      
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      December 20, 2017 12:27pm
  - igm
    
    The viagra charged little man telling tales again. Grow up you vile left-wing piece of s . . t. As we all know, you are a wimp, and many around the House know how you can run when challenged.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:54am
    - ztev
      
      Never been in parliament building- who are you talking about
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:18am
    - sam green
      
      igm doesn’t believe in free speech.
      
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      December 20, 2017 12:44pm
      - PhilP
        
        Well they certainly do not accept free speech over at the Stranded! unless it agrees with their narrative that is!
        
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        December 20, 2017 12:53pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    What would the maximum penalty have been, if a case had been taken? I doubt if the penalty would have been more than he has already paid and I imagine that he paid more than any other person would have paid, especially a lefty MP.
    
    Would anyone else have stood down from their job?
    
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    December 20, 2017 11:18am
  - Viking2
    
    Pledge card mean anything?
    No thought not.
    
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    December 20, 2017 1:11pm
- MCos
  
  “Barclay . . . . . . . .lost his job, for which he was duly elected”
  A goat standing for National would have won that seat.
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:02am
  - Lance
    
    And that was what to do with the price of eggs?
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:14am
    - MCos
      
      Barclay could have been dead useless – he still would have been elected.
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:49am
      - Viking2
        
        You mean like Curran, Hipkins, Sepolini,Mahuta, Fafoi, and so many others.
        You can find an up to date list here. http://www.labour.org.nz/ourteam
        
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        December 20, 2017 1:15pm
ztev

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Good news , Kiwi dollar v $US is back where it was in April 2017. But still good for exporters

The lowest point since 2010 came at end of 2015
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December 20, 2017 8:51am
- Paulus
  
  ztev
  and bad for importers – so you new Merc has gone up.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:58am
  - VicParking
    
    Brought three when the NZ dollar was high. One for the batch and one for Queenstown. Still got your government issued bike ztev
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:45am
sooty

The herald is still telling why Toni Street left tv. Been headlines for a week.
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December 20, 2017 8:52am
- JibberJabber
  
  All in the ratings, both jumped before they were pushed.
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:19am
  - Lance
    
    bollox
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:14am
- Digmen1
  
  Its very important. I’m surprised itd not been on the BBC or Al Jazeera.
  (Shows how lazy the Herald is)
  
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  December 20, 2017 1:18pm
RF

I am waiting for the order from H2 that no longer will there be cartoons depicting the commie chic as a buck tooth mule.

There have been some real shockers and appear to be getting worse. Soon all you will see is a huge set of teeth and no sign of the rest of her body.

Not sure what’s going on as I hear she was a nice looking normal girl in her teens. Nothing to suggest that in later years she could eat an apple through a tennis racquet.
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December 20, 2017 8:58am
- doggone7
  
  I’m waiting for the big announcement about zero fees for early childhood education. Maybe then those who missed out on growing up could have another go for free.
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:10am
  - Happychappy
    
    It looks like you are are one of the first in line then doggone7.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:25am
    - doggone7
      
      See you in the sandpit after morning tea. Fortunately you’re a picture of pulchritude and perfection so won’t feel the barbs of RF.
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:48am
  - Viking2
    
    Yep you will get it when your turn 70 and are then parachuted off to a rest home village somewhere.
    They will however confiscate the rest of your assets to pay for your elderly child care.
    
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    December 20, 2017 1:17pm
Monty

Thanks to cindy and grants policies impacting on rental shortages I will be $8,000 better off next year.
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December 20, 2017 8:59am
- doggone7
  
  Her big mistake was not taking into account that rapacious greedy bastards abound and are quicker and more voracious than sharks in bloody attacks.
  
  The politicians try to do something for ostensibly good motives, it’s sabotaged by mongrels and it’s the politicians who get cursed not the mongrels and their avarice.
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:29am
  - Peter
    
    The problem with most ex-lawyer/teacher/union politicians, especially amongst the left, is that they are very poor problem solvers. Embarrassingly bad.
    
    Pouring money into the demand side when there is scarce supply raises the price. The answer is to incentivise an increase in supply. The politicians do the complete opposite – fuel demand and raise barriers to supply.
    
    They could not get it any more wrong. They are beyond useless, pouring gasoline on a bonfire whilst proclaiming to be firemen.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:45am
    - doggone7
      
      Putting up student allowances is pouring money into the demand side when there is scarce supply and landlords have to raise the rents?
      
      The students have more money in their pockets to live on so those like Monty say, “I’ll have that” and raise rents. “It’s there, I can, I will.” No better provision just money into the students and out to the landlord.
      
      And blame “the market” and say politicians are very poor problem solvers? Maybe the problem is landlords being greedy bastards. Do they have to put the rent up? Is someone holding a gun to their heads?
      
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      December 20, 2017 12:25pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        When accommodation supply gets too tight, people *offer* more. Also, landlords know that this g’ment is going to raise taxes, compliance costs, expectations. Comrade Taxinda has made it clear that she will do ‘something’ about cold, damp housing. What can she mean? Teach tenants to air housing and buy heaters? No way, the poor tenants!!
        
        I would dearly love to only increase my good tenants’ rent by inflation each year. Under National I felt safe doing that. Under Labour I’m worried about what expenses I’ll face and am reluctantly considering a higher rent rise.
        
        Most NZ landlords aren’t ‘sharks’ but Mums and Dads who have one or two places and just net a bit extra for retirement.
        
        Landlords are currently adding a whole lot of insulation in roofs. Fair enough, but it costs money. Now will she make heat pumps compulsory? More money needed. What else will she do? Sensible landlords don’t want to be caught out unable to pay for the things she might come up with, when rents can only be increased once a year.
        
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        December 20, 2017 2:55pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    “good motives”. Nice doggone, trying to take (as all leftists do) unearned moral high ground as that is the only thing they have.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:19am
- 3-coil
  
  Well done Monty! At least some good comes from the CoL – even if via the law of unintended consequences.
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:32am
- stigie
  
  I dare you to email the Wn Fairy Monty and tell him of your dilemma ole chap..?
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:44am
dime

lol front page of the herald. some dude in christchurch was called “the n word”.

thats how good life in NZ is. thats our front page news. tomorrow – a puppy who skateboards in nelson!
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December 20, 2017 9:05am
- Colville
  
  dime.
  
  people love to be offended these days.
  I recently drove around East Cape and stopped a few times for a swim as I am a recent freedive convert.
  
  I was told at one spot to “fu*k off you white cu*t”
  
  So off I did fu*k , as I am a realist and dont like hospital food. !
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:17am
  - Brito
    
    That was not a racist comment
    
    Only white people can be racist.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:29am
  - dime
    
    haha you mean you didnt call the herald and susan devoy?
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:30am
  - Longknives
    
    Own your White Privilege Colville!
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:47am
- flipper
  
  Heh dime…
  “Here Nigger, cm’on Nigger”… so said Guy Gibson of Dambusters fame whose black Labrador was named Nigger. And the code word for a successful dam breach was… Yep, “Nigger”.
  The insistence by Jackson, in the face of PC bullshit of telling the Dambusters story as it was has caused him to shelve his Dambusters film. It would be silly to call Nigger Coco, would it not?
  
  The term Nigger is still in use today in the USofA when one black is razzing another.
  In the modern NZ context it is no different from one Maori calling another “Hori”. But the stupid PC media portrays it in other ways and makes into click bait..
  
  So, … any “Horis” or “Niggers” here ?????
  
  🙂
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:06am
Manolo

Just happened in the US, while in NZ Labour wants to impose higher taxes:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/19/house-approves-final-tax-reform-bill-as-trump-eyes-major-legislative-win.html

The House on Tuesday approved a massive tax overhaul that would usher in steep rate cuts for American companies, double the deduction millions of families claim on their annual returns and make a host of other changes as part of the biggest rewrite of the tax code since the Reagan administration.

The bill passed on a 227-203 vote.
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December 20, 2017 9:08am
- dime
  
  that is fucking stunning!!!!!
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:31am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, and where are the Trillion and trillion dollars coming from upgrading the US Nuclear arsenal ?
  
  https://www.publicintegrity.org/2017/05/26/20888/trump-seeks-spend-more-nuclear-weapons-buys-little-added-capability
  
  Has a familiar GWB 2007-8 ring to it I believe .
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:20am
Tarquin North

I think all current ministers should be forced to read Viz Comic every night – it’s their only hope.
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December 20, 2017 9:19am
- Longknives
  
  Fnarr Fnarr!
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:16am
Manolo

An impossible newspaper headline in NZ:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/middle-class-to-get-23-of-tax-cuts-for-individuals-under-gop-bill-1513644268

Middle-income households will get $61 billion in tax cuts in 2019 under the Republican tax plan poised for passage this week, according to an analysis released late Monday by Congress’s Joint Committee on Taxation.
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December 20, 2017 9:21am
Odakyu-sen

Government departments always want more money, as if this will fix everything.
I read through the report on the Cave Creek disaster and how DOC gave the excuse of “not enough funding to ensure safety.”
But the though occurred to me that the department had never asked itself the fundamental question of “should we be launching potentially risky projects (like a cantilevered viewing platform high above rocks) if we don’t have the funds and manpower to safely build and maintain them?”
It’s a bit like “don’t have children if you can’t look after them.” But then, responsibility and foresight have never been part of popular New Zealand culture.
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December 20, 2017 9:29am
- Brito
  
  If you dig a little deeper into that disaster you will see that the chief cause was not a faulty design; it was a personality clash, coupled by an internal funding mis-management throughout the whole conservancy.
  
  The designer wasn’t liked by the builder so he wasn’t allowed on site. The Area Operations Manager wanted to push this thing through because it was his ‘pet’ project, so he got some mates to help. Budget cuts were made in the Northern Area to pay for cock-ups in Haast.
  
  Four people who should have been spending time at Her Majesties pleasure went free.
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:35am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Like I said, the department did not “look after” its creation to ensure that it was safe. This is not a money problem but a responsibility problem.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:44am
    - Brito
      
      If you remember their response to ‘look after’ the asset was to have a weight limit sign made up which was found in somebodies desk (after the tragedy) and not attached.
      
      Maybe three people at a time would have meant it would have remained safe but a sudden addition of extra bodies meant it was doomed.
      
      The funding issue was a key contributor because the Northern Region had to find the funds and bits and pieces, after the Haast Centre budget blew out.
      
      Piss up and brewery come to mind.
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:50am
  - realityczech
    
    Brittle you are correct. The platform was designed just fine, but was not built to that design.
    
    They cantilevered the platform secured by nails into end grain rather than with bolts.
    
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    December 20, 2017 7:11pm
- ztev
  
  Very apt observation sensei
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:35am
- Kimbo
  
  @ Odakyu-sen
  
  I read through the report on the Cave Creek disaster and how DOC gave the excuse of “not enough funding to ensure safety.”
  But the though occurred to me that the department had never asked itself the fundamental question of “should we be launching potentially risky projects (like a cantilevered viewing platform high above rocks) if we don’t have the funds and manpower to safely build and maintain them?”
  
  I seem to recall it was in conjunction with “Taskforce Green”, a job-training scheme for the unemployed (you listening, Shane Jones??!), for which the immediate cause was the failure to use “$20 worth of bolts instead of nails”.
  
  But as it was the then-National government’s policy, DOC wasn’t in a position to say “no” in principle. Instead, as public servants it was their job to implement. And combined with a “lack of imagination” and a “Swiss cheese” systemic failure, the tragedy occurred. The resignation of Government Minister Dennis Marshall after he set right those systemic failings highlighted where the ultimate responsibility lay – in policy, including government fiscal decisions.
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:45am
  - Brito
    
    The design called for bolts, the builder used nails.
    
    A concrete counter weight was established but the timber attachments to this weight was nailed on. The shear forces did the rest.
    
    One Task Force Green worker helped on the job, the others were DoC employees.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:53am
  - Peter
    
    Piss poor management, in other words.
    
    That’s the state sector all over and one of the core reasons socialism is always a disaster.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:00am
    - MCos
      
      If what you say is correct everything ever built by the MOW would have collapsed. Tunnels, bridges, canals, motorways, dams . . . . . .
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:14am
      - Peter
        
        At what cost?
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:15am
      - Kimbo
        
        I didn’t know the CCTV building was a MoW project? /sarc
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:17am
      - Brito
        
        The difference between DoC and MoW when it comes to construction is professional qualifications and experience.
        
        DoC knew what they had to do to construct this thing (legally) but chose to use a mechanic to design it, an unqualified bush chippy to build it and a conceited ex-Pommy cop from PNG to manage it.
        
        There is a gap a mile wide between the MoW work of the 50’s-70’s and DoC.
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:26am
      - MCos
        
        I don’t have the time of day to go through them all. There’s some grass out the back I want to watch growing, but Benmore power station cost $62mil
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:29am
  - ztev
    
    There were far more problems with the platform than use of some nails rather than bolts. They didnt even use a trained carpenter on site.
    Dr Reay ( yes of CTV fame) was the advisor to the RC but other engineers produced reports for the main parties.
    The DG of the department of Conservation was a former diplomat and a trained international lawyer, he had been previously a deputy secretary of Justice.
    Clearly part of the public service process of rotating management around which has produced other failures ( The recent Auditor general problems when he was head of Ministry of Transport)
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:07am
    - Peter
      
      Rotating jobs shouldn’t be an issue. Again, poor management. You should be able to rotate people in and out as the SYSTEM is robust.
      
      Poor systems are the direct result of poor management. You tend to get poor systems when the incentives are wrong.
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:12am
      - Kimbo
        
        Isn’t the DG of DoC “management”?! Is the problem when you have leadership/policy makers with generic rather than specialised skills and experience for the business or department they are heading. same thing has been happening in health with medical professionals being replaced by all-rounders with an MBA…
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:20am
- Longknives
  
  “don’t have children if you can’t look after them.”
  
  I actually used that line whilst having a beer with a Left-Leaning friend and discussing ‘Poverdy’ the other day.
  His response-
  “This isn’t Nazi Germany mate”
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:00am
  - Kimbo
    
    Godwinned that early? 😉
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:02am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Ironically, in Nazi Germany, the Volk would have been encouraged, like good socialists, to have plenty of children for the Fatherland.
    
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    December 20, 2017 11:50am
    - Digmen1
      
      Yes but only true Ayrans were encouraged.
      
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      December 20, 2017 1:22pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Yeah, sounds like Longknives’ buddy would encourage anyone, in any situation!
        
        Btw, did you tell him that using that ‘N’ word automatically loses an argument?
        
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        December 20, 2017 3:27pm
tom hunter

1964 – LBJ:

This administration today, here and now, declares unconditional war on poverty in America. I urge this Congress and all Americans to join with me in that effort.

It will not be a short or easy struggle, no single weapon or strategy will suffice, but we shall not rest until that war is won. The richest Nation on earth can afford to win it. We cannot afford to lose it.

2015: $22 Trillion later poverty rate has barely changed.

2017: UN special rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, Australian Philip Alston

“The United States is one of the world’s richest, most powerful and technologically innovative countries; but neither its wealth nor its power nor its technology is being harnessed to address the situation in which 40 million people continue to live in poverty,”

Time for War On Poverty II, because there is no reason to learn from failure.
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December 20, 2017 9:32am
- Harkman
  
  Around the same time Democrats (1967) changed the immigration system so that instead of ambitious westerners coming in, it became geared towards third world & Hispanic immigration including chain migration. Johnson’s war on poverty was failing by the 1970s.
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:23am
  - Kimbo
    
    Johnson’s war on poverty was failing by ~~the 1970s~~ 1965.
    
    There! Fixed that for ya. 😉
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watts_riots
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:26am
    - tom hunter
      
      To be fair, the Great Society had barely rolled out those poverty programs by the time of Watts and the rest. They were the accumulated failures of the past. Although in hindsight the situations in those places were made worse as small business owners, shopkeepers and Black middle class families fled and never returned. West-side Chicago is a classic example, being in far worse shape and much more frightening than before its late 60’s riots.
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:44am
      - Kimbo
        
        Yes. But as with Johnson’s concurrent poorly-conceived and conducted war in Vietnam, the perception of failure was a self-fulfilling prophecy as Americans became cynical. So soon after the passing of the Civil Rights Act and heralding the Great Society, the Watts Riots – and similar over the next few summers in other American big cities – caused a lot of blue collar Americans to write off the black community as “ingrates”. Which Nixon capitalised on in 1968 with that Southern Strategy. And so those white blue collar workers, the one-time back bone of the Democrats voted Republican, and later still were locked in by Reagan.
        
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        December 20, 2017 10:50am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Poverty measured how? Percentage of average income or what?
  
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  December 20, 2017 3:31pm
Scott

While we are approaching the season of goodwill and peace towards all men, it is sad but true that some people do not share those Christmas sentiments. In fact some people want to kill their fellow men and want to destroy as many people as possible specifically during the Christmas season. Those people sadly are Muslims. After vicious attacks on Christian churches in Egypt during the Christmas season we see that Muslims are also targeting their fellow Britons.

Yet another reason why we do not want any Muslim refugees and in fact we should not allow Muslims to immigrate to New Zealand. It’s sad that we have to think that way but unfortunately the behaviour of many Muslims leaves us no alternative. This headline from the Telegraph has now become routine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/19/islamist-terror-plot-broken-dawn-raids-sheffield-chesterfield/
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December 20, 2017 9:39am
- Rodney Randall
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/13/birmingham-couple-who-plotted-terrorist-knife-attack-jailed-madihah-taheer-ummar-mirza
  
  “In one message, she said to her brother: “May Allah give us the ability to raise our children to fight for Allah.”
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:49am
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    Rodney Randall , that might be one family but certainly not the sentiments of most Muslims and those who did the bulk of the ground fighting against ISIS in both Iraq and Syria
    
    It is nothing but a crude propaganda slur against all those ( mainly ) Muslims who fought and died fighting ISIS. I can assure you most members of the NZ public of most political persuasions ignore the kind of ignorant hate that the likes of Scott and you preach .
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:03am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Thanks for the reply Steph.
      
      Have a great day
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:22am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I know some nice people who are muslim. I also know that they are supporting a religion that instructs men to beat their wives, encourages slavery and tells followers to dominate all religions and kill homosexuals.
      
      Some become apostates. Some are killed for that.
      
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      December 20, 2017 3:43pm
- Digmen1
  
  Disgusting.
  I wonder how much all this monitoring of muslim terrorists is costing Briton and the rest of the western world. (airlines etc)
  
  Do any of them actually contribute.
  Most of them seem to spend their time “praying” and thinking about how much they hate westerners and the country they live in.
  
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  December 20, 2017 1:26pm
  - Scott
    
    Unfortunately many Muslims do hate the west. And many westerners seem to want to bend over backwards to appease them.
    
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/12/italian-city-removes-christmas-tree-from-town-hall-to-avoid-offending-muslims
    
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    December 20, 2017 2:52pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Have you seen the ‘Merkelsteine/Merkelboller’? German traditional Christmas markets are now surrounded by huge concrete blocks.
    
    Stephie, can you think why? And why people have named them after Merkel?
    
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    December 20, 2017 3:48pm
lifesgood

That little creep, Espiner, is really trying to piss everyone off and is giving us wicked whiteys the finger. This morning he did all the temperatures in maori, long winded nonsense. First time I’ve listened in a while…it will be the last for a while too.
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December 20, 2017 9:47am
- Classic Liberal
  
  They really annoying part is he still gets a bit of your paypacket, LG! Ratings don’t matter to them.
  
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  December 20, 2017 3:50pm
stephieboy

Scott, you are wrong in every aspect.Your sentiments are maybe deluded Trump alt right sentiments but they are certainly not Christian ones

Are we to believe that all those Muslim Iraqi, Kurd , Syrian . Iranian soldiers who fought long and hard against ISIS do not deserve the Christmas tidings of peace and goodwill ?

BTW You’ve done a complete disservice to the historical record by falsely claiming that Trump was responsible for the defeat of ISIS. It excludes all the long build up and fighting in both Iraq and Syria ,prior to the inauguration of Trump , that has lead to ISIS ‘s downfall .
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December 20, 2017 9:53am
- Manolo
  
  Do you feel sorry for those ISIS fighters and fellow Muslims, stephieboy?
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:05am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Manolo , those who fought and fell fighting ISIS . Of course , but I take it you don’t ?
    
    Do feel sorry for those SS Death heads units who died and also killed Jews on the Eastern Front ?
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:13am
    - Lance
      
      Are you trying hard to be a cunt or does it come naturally?
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:21am
      - sam green
        
        He comes here for lessons.
        
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        December 20, 2017 3:09pm
    - Brito
      
      Jews! Did somebody call???
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:31am
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle, stupidboy is right about one thing. The biggest victims of ISIS were Muslims… that Israel opposes.
        
        Funny how ISIS never popped across the road to target the Juice eh ?
        
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        December 20, 2017 7:17pm
      - Brito
        
        They’re not stoopid!
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:15pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  They are fighting for their Homelands, they should enjoy the fought for lands themselves, others should return to help rebuild.
  
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  December 20, 2017 12:16pm
- Scott
  
  Stephieboy I know that I am wrong in every respect. Everybody knows that although Isis was defeated during Trump’s presidency and the United States economy is booming under Trump’s presidency, we clearly cannot thank Trump for these stunning accomplishments.
  
  The person we should thank is President Obama who laid the groundwork for both of these achievements. That they didn’t happen during his presidency is an accident of timing pure and simple.
  
  How’s that stephieboy? Does that meet your approval???
  
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  December 20, 2017 12:53pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Nope ! A complete falsification of the historical record . The bombing of ISIS and the recapture of Mosul and their other centres of power began long , long before Trump came on the scene .
    
    Trump did not add much to what as already happening . The Iraqi forces themselves and their allies ( including the US ) can take credit .
    
    Not Trump !
    
    The assault on the ISIS stronghold Mosul began in earnest 25th march 2016 !
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosul_offensive_(2016)
    
    Fact
    
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    December 20, 2017 12:58pm
    - KH
      
      ISIS is mostly cleared from Syria but it has not been the Americans, it has been the Assad government. (go look at Deir Ezzor, the three year siege, and the final liberation).
      The American poured cash and arms into the other rebel groups and still deny much of those had ancestry in Al Qaeda.
      
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      December 20, 2017 3:46pm
      - stephieboy
        
        KH, with a” little” help from Putin and factionalism within the Rebel forces .
        
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        December 20, 2017 3:55pm
    - realityczech
      
      “Not Trump !”
      
      Correct stupidboy ❗
      
      It was Israel’s house boy Obama who started that war and many others. That boy should hang for his war crimes don’t you think ?
      
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      December 20, 2017 7:20pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Scott actually didn’t wish muslims ill, Stuffyboy. I think everyone else on earth is wishing they’d calm down, find some decent god with goodwill etc. and just leave us alone!
  
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  December 20, 2017 3:53pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Classical Liberal ,
    
    sorry buddy if the Truth hurts !
    
    This from one of your classical liberals ,
    
    “The only freedom which deserves the name is that of pursuing our own good, in our own way, so long as we do not attempt to deprive others of theirs, or impede their efforts to obtain it.”
    
    . John Stuart Mill
    https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/john_stuart_mill
    
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    December 20, 2017 3:57pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      And? How does that relate to the fact that he didn’t wish muslims ill?
      
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      December 20, 2017 5:04pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Classical Liberal , there is a trend on KB to lump Muslims together as one including ISIS .
        
        The facts and recent history show otherwise as Kurds , Iraqi , Iranians etc are bravely fighting to eliminate them .
        
        A pity you seem feel the need to disparage and crap on those very same Muslim fighters against ISIS.
        
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        December 20, 2017 5:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        A pity you seem feel the need to disparage and crap on those very same Muslim fighters against ISIS.
        
        I have read back through this thread and nowhere can I see where Classic Liberal writes disparaging comments about or “craps” on the Muslim fighters against ISIS.
        
        Perhaps Stephieboy can point me to the passage that is disparaging written by C.L.
        
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        December 20, 2017 7:22pm
      - realityczech
        
        Wiggles, the great thing about stupidboy is he unites Muslims/Jews/Christians in their opposition to him. Such stupidity (and sexual perversion) transcends religion and borders bringing us all closer together.
        
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        December 20, 2017 7:37pm
Sarkozygroupie

Nanaia Mahuta sets out how the new Healthy Homes bill in the Govt 100 day commitments won’t have any detrimental financial effect on Landlords or subsequent net effect on tenants:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/papakura-courier/99800975/nanaia-mahuta-healthy-homes–a-100day-commitment
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December 20, 2017 9:55am
- Poppa
  
  Well she is so intelligent I think we should all listen to what she says…..
  
  Where do they find these people? Under rocks?
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:15am
  - Harkman
    
    Mate, the only rocks are in her head.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:24am
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Most surprising is that she actually found time to undertake some activity vaguely constituting a passing resemblance to work.
      
      Her hourly rate must be pretty fantastic by now.
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:36am
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    Council tip….
    
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    December 20, 2017 1:04pm
In Vino Veritas

US Ambassador, Permanent Representative to the UN on the US moving its Embassy to Jerusalem, and the UN’s attempts to prevent it:
Using the US veto: “We have not done it in more than six years. We do it with no joy, but we do it with no reluctance.
The fact that this veto is being done in defense of American sovereignty and in defense of America’s role in the Middle East peace process is not a source of embarrassment for us; it should be an embarrassment to the remainder of the Security Council”.
“Now today, buried in diplomatic jargon, some presume to tell America where to put our embassy. The United States’ has a sovereign right to determine where and whether we establish an embassy. I suspect very few Member States would welcome Security Council pronouncements about their sovereign decisions. And I think of some who should fear it”.
“What we witnessed here today in the Security Council is an insult. It won’t be forgotten. It’s one more example of the United Nations doing more harm than good in addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict”.
The UN, trying to tell America, who have pumped over $5bn into Palestinian aid and funded over 30% of the UN Relief Works Agency for Palestinian Refugees budget, that it is they that are not assisting the Palestinian people (laughably, members who fund less than 1% and give no aid funding despite their wealth, are some of the more vociferous).
The UN, a pathetic joke since 1945.
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December 20, 2017 9:57am
- tom hunter
  
  Chuckle – Dr Mordechai Kedar, an Israeli scholar of Arabic culture and a lecturer at Bar-Ilan University who also speaks fluent Arabic, was recently interviewed by Al Jazeera about Donald Trump’s announcement on Jerusalem.
  
  I did like this quote as he talks about the possibilty of peace between the Arab world and Israel.
  
  …you can’t give something you don’t have. The Arab world doesn’t know what peace is…. [cross-yelling] …Look what’s happening between the Sunnis and Shites. Between the Kurds and the Arabs. Between tribes in Libya and Yemen. What is happening in Iran and the Arab countries. Iran is collecting them like eggs from the floor while the Arab world remains silent.
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  right now the Arab world is a swamp of fire, tears and blood. Who’d want to get close to you? Who’d want to talk to you? The Arab world is a failure!
  
  Sheesh, is Arabic a florid language or what!
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:08am
  - Pharmachick
    
    Yes. I speak a little bit of it and it is an incredibly abstract and, perhaps yes florid, language. But its got nothing on Farsi.
    
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    December 20, 2017 12:36pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Abstract? Is there hope, e.g. ‘beat your wife’ really means ‘give her chocolates’?
      
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      December 20, 2017 4:06pm
- Kimbo
  
  The UN, a pathetic joke since 1945.
  
  Yet
  
  1. It was conceived by one American President – Woodrow Wilson
  
  2. it was birthed in large measure due to another – Franklin Roosevelt
  
  3. If it wasn’t for the UN, and its 1947 Partition Plan the modern state of Israel would likely not now exist.
  
  So was that 1947 decision – that’s right, two years after your 1945 deadline a “pathetic joke” too?
  
  Bottomline – when it suits Americans they want collective forums to which others are held accountable, but when it doesn’t suit they go wandering off the reservation and criticise others when they are called out for their hypocrisy.
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:08am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    “not likely exist”. And equally likely, it would exist anyway and it doesn’t matter who conceived it, or birthed it. These are red herring arguments. The fact is that it is a joke. Particularly when it tries to tell a country where it can have an Embassy.
    This is the same UN where members of their Human Rights Council include Saudi Arabia (who also a member of the UN Commission on the Status of Women), China, Venezuela, Iran, Qatar, Burundi, UAE, Cuba.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:29am
    - Kimbo
      
      Ho hum. Not sure how Israel could have come to be without the diplomatic that the acceptance of the 1947 Partition Plan afforded. It would have been a hell of a lot harder, whereas what happened was already a close run thing. .
      
      nd if the UN is a pathetic joke – an overstatement as it has intervened with success in Korea in 1950, and Kuwait in 1991, as well as deploying peace keeping forces to the likes of the Sinai since 1978 – it is because of the decisions of its collective members. Like the US – a nation that likes the power of veto on the UN Security Council, yet doesn’t like it if and when the other four (two in particular, Russia and China) exercise it in a way in which they disapprove.
      
      Also, fair call to criticise the US for moving its embassy to Jerusalem. It does nothing to advance peacve, and may in some small way hinder it. The UN was meant to usher in a new era where annexation by conquest, stealth and increment no longer apply. Until such time as a mutually negotiated and agreed settlement of the conflict occurs, then Tel Aviv remains the recognised capital of Israe in the international community. No matter what the Israelis or the USA say.
      
      Bad form by the Americans in breaking ranks, easing the diplomatic pressure on Israel to address what part it can do to defuse the conflict, and shitting on the principles of the organisation they set up. s incongruous to claim it is a “pathetic joke” (and there is some truth in that critique due to gutlessness/lack of unanimity on the part of the UN at times)…when in moving their embassy to Jerusalem the Americans of their own admission are defying a collective approach and policy in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that has stood for many years.
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:38am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Does nothing to advance peace? Nor does leaving their embassy in Tel Aviv then. The only party that is doing nothing to advance peace is the party that has refused all offers for 60 years and more.
        And who’s troops have done most of the fighting for the UN when it has had the balls to intervene Kimbo? Korea? 300K US next best, 14k UK for starters. Don’t you think the Americans should be getting pissed off with having to fund most of the UN, and to provide most of the troops and weapons?
        I would also point out the America recognised Jerusalem as the capital many, many years ago.
        Between 2006 and 2014, the UNHRC devoted 33% of its sessions to condemning Israel. By contrast, no sessions condemned China, Russian or Saudi Arabia. In 2016, UN issued more resolutions against Israel (5) than than those paragons of Syria (1) and North Korea (1). Syria, the paragon who’s government began a genocide against its own people! Should America be accept this? Should we? Or should we condemn it as a joke?
        
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        December 20, 2017 11:37am
      - Kimbo
        
        Does nothing to advance peace? Nor does leaving their embassy in Tel Aviv then.
        
        Wrong. It undermines collective security against annexation by conquest. Jerusalem, for good security reasons is Israel’s to occupy – but not incorporate as part of her nation without an agreed settlement.
        
        The only party that is doing nothing to advance peace is the party that has refused all offers for 60 years and more.
        
        Zionist propaganda. West Bank settlement, and the status of Jerusalem while not the primary impediments to peace, are nonetheless issues that poison the well of goodwill. Israel is not absolved of responsibility. Same thing was once said of Egypt – who have kept their negotiated peace with Israel since 1978. There is also peace now with Jordan. But if you put all the blame on one party and demand they have to negotiate on your terms – as Israel, or more particular Netanyahu does – then you absolve yourself of what you can do to work for peace – such as stopping and rolling back on West Bank settlements. Or making Jerusalem your capital when we no longer do annexation by conquest. Or at least we fought two world wars to stop that practice, so no one, Israel included (irrespective of her legitimate security needs), should be given a free pass to do so.
        
        Don’t you think the Americans should be getting pissed off with having to fund most of the UN, and to provide most of the troops and weapons?
        
        No. It enjoys the benefits and bears the responsibilities of being the only international Super Power. But maybe if it had listened to the likes of Helen Clark in 2003 that any action against Iraq should have been done multilaterally via the UN, instead of charging off into Iraq unilaterally they would have saved themselves a whole bunch of grief.
        
        Between 2006 and 2014, the UNHRC devoted 33% of its sessions to condemning Israel…Should America be accept this? Should we? Or should we condemn it as a joke?
        
        Sorry, what was that you said about red-herrings?! We are talking about the agreed international commitment via the UN that, as it was conquered in the 1967 Six Day War, Israel does not (yet) have the right to make Jerusalem her capital. Occupy for her security in the hope of a future peace settlement? Yes.
        
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        December 20, 2017 11:49am
      - tom hunter
        
        I have to duck out for the usual Christmas prep (lights, tree, etc, etc) so perhaps I should not start an argument I may not be able to finish but…
        
        the Americans of their own admission are defying a collective approach and policy in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict that has ~~stood~~ failed for many years.
        
        Fixed that for you. And lest I be accused of just being snarky…
        
        Same thing was once said of Egypt – who have kept their negotiated peace with Israel since 1978. There is also peace now with Jordan. But if you put all the blame on one party…
        
        So in two, big situations, involving nation states that had repeatedly gone to war with it and which still could represent a graver military threat in theory, Israel managed to negotiate peace treaties that have held up for decades now – whereas there has been no progress between Israelis & Palestinians. Does that not itself indicate that the problem of instrangience, inability to compromise and blame for failure in negotiations does lie with the latter rather than the former?
        
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        December 20, 2017 12:08pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ tom hunter
        
        No,…or at least not necessarily. As I’ve implied elsewhere I’d agree that the Palestinians bear the primary responsibility for the lack of a settlement. But not exclusively. I’d wager it has been Likud’s unofficial policy for at least 20 years to aim for long term and irreversible annexation of the West Bank, and every year that goes past they improve their chances.
        
        Hence the moving of the capital to Jerusalem is move in the long-term Israeli diplomatic strategy to induce the international community to shrug its shoulders and decide “ah, what the hell”.
        
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        December 20, 2017 12:15pm
      - tom hunter
        
        … to induce the international community to shrug its shoulders and decide “ah, what the hell”.
        
        I can see that as a Likud strategy. The thing is, I think the Arab community reached that stage a long time ago anyway – even if they refused to admit it publically – and that its other internal conflicts (see – Dr Mordechai Kedar above) have now risen to such terrifying levels that even they can’t be bothered trying to paper them over with “protests” about how the Israel-Palestinian problem is the central issue in the Middle East.
        
        The “international community” has not yet caught up with that reality, nor has the US Department of State apparently, nor the Palestinians themselves – but they will soon enough. Paradoxically that might be when some real progress can be made, “Only Nixon could go to China” and all that.
        
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        December 20, 2017 12:27pm
RalphT

I’ll drink to that.
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December 20, 2017 10:05am
Komata

Lifesgood

But, but MISTER Espiner is just trying to show that he is ‘with it’, cool’ and oh sooooooo virtuous by saying things in maori. Doing all that might even gain him some Brownie points (nothing untoward intended BTW) with his bosses, and so enhance his promotional and career chances…

It’s what any desperate radio announcer would do as he sees his use-by date on the horizon…!

Got to ‘butter-up’ someone.
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December 20, 2017 10:06am
- Longknives
  
  Try going to a School ‘Break-Up’ mate.
  I’ve sat through two in the past week- Couldn’t understand a word of what the Bone-Carving wearing Lefty Principles/Teachers were babbling on about.
  Then the kids sing Carols- All in Maori.
  These are High Decile (Supposedly good) Schools as well.
  European Culture is pretty much being erased from our Education system. I’m actually frightened to think what the kids get brainwashed about New Zealand History/Social Studies etc..
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:12am
  - Komata
    
    Longknives
    
    Re: ‘I’m actually frightened to think what the kids get brainwashed about New Zealand History/Social Studies etc…’
    
    As an historian it has been interesting to watch the ‘revisionist’ process at work. At a ‘state school’ level it would seem to have started at around ‘Tomorrow’s Schools’ became government policy, while the universities have been following a similar pattern for years. As one who was directly involved in some of the events being ‘revised’, it was an interesting experience to be told by my then school age children that what I had experienced was actually wrong and hadn’t happened ‘cos the teacher said so’. (The ultimate ‘killer’).
    
    Observation indicates that ‘maorification’ has now become the primary focus of all and any events that occurred in NZ after 1800 and that to think and say anything against the process (and even to present actual ‘facts’, backed up with the appropriate citations etc.) is to mark oneself as an ‘enemy of the people’ and (by implication) a ‘racist’.
    
    By such means is power extended and young minds controlled…
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:51am
    - stephieboy
      
      Is” revisionism” code for anything I detest and hate ?
      
      The factual evidence that students are being brainwashed etc ?
      
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      December 20, 2017 12:10pm
      - KevOB
        
        When it is acknowledged again that the English Crown was needed to prevent utu wiping out the tribes completely and that was the real basis of Waitangi I will consider revisionism may have been revoked in respect of that element of NZ’s cultural history.
        
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        December 20, 2017 5:53pm
    - KevOB
      
      I have watched the revisionism and hopefully combated it at home. There is little of substance and maorification can only lead to tokenisation. The worst of both worlds. Maori not being adequate for current use will not be used and even those who could have been changing its grammar and dropping it. Hundreds of teachers could be trained but their pupils will not continue. Also there is an extended cultural reserved language which the new teachers will never get near essentially decapitating the real language.
      
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      December 20, 2017 12:35pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I experience that same thing the other day. I was at a dinner for Maori Law grads, a friend was one, and I was supposed to graduate with a B.Soc. Sci the next day, I didn’t, I didn’t attend my other graduation either.
      
      After I had been brow beaten with many things Maori, which I do not actually mind in and of themselves, I said to my friend that I did not think of her as Maori. I do not think that we are friends anymore.
      
      I however do not as a first term of reference characterize people on their race, more on whether or not I can abide them. Many Maori, I feel, get radicalized at university and think in Maori first terms.
      
      After university has finished with some of those with Maori blood, they seem to have crises of identity, it would seem in having to reconcile their mixed heritage. Sad.
      
      One reason that I have possibly undervalued my degrees is because I did mine with out the plethora of help available to those of Maori heritage, thereby devaluing mine.
      
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      December 20, 2017 3:13pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Are you from South Africa by any chance? Or Queensland?
        
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        December 20, 2017 3:21pm
      - Komata
        
        Rachel
        
        As the parent of two mixed-race children, it has been an interesting experience watching them develop into adults. I’ve learnt a few things along the way. Of these, the most important one is that being both Maori and PI (two quarters of the racial combination) does NOT guarantee acceptance by either group!! A ‘suntan’ means nothing! This was a revelation, especially as our extended whanau (particularly on the PI side) had given my kids no reason to consider that ‘non-acceptance’ would be a problem. They soon, sadly, learnt the realities in the ‘real’ world (it started at Primary school BTW), and were badly ‘abused’ in the process (no details; they aren’t necessary). Suffice to say that the ‘European’ side of the family ultimately proved to be far more accepting.
        
        Over time both kids subsequently developed their own narratives and are comfortable within their own skins. They are successful in their respective fields, and currently living overseas. What has also been interesting is that my children’s experience is apparently more common than is generally known, to the extent that there is apparently now a very large group within New Zealand society who openly self-identify as ‘Half-caste’ and use that phrase as their self-descriptive; the old ‘Eight annas to a rupee’ statement (Some here will know) turned on its head; and correctly too BTW. Observation also suggests that those who identify with the ‘Half-caste’ group are frequently Gen X-ers, are usually very bright, tend to be highly qualified in their fields, and frequently come from homes where European culture is predominant. It would seem that the last point is of considerable importance as those ‘mixed-race’ children living within it are exposed to thought processes and concepts which seem to be alien to ‘Polynesian’ cultures (and no, I’m not going to get into an argument about this, in case anyone feels so-inclined.) Frequently there is also a greater emphasis on education, reading and ‘the arts’ within such families than might otherwise be the case. Such an education-base would seem to be crucial to what follows. It also enables the development of ‘critical thinking’, and gives an opportunity for the correction of ‘Revisionist’ teaching where that appears (which is more frequently than you would believe BTW). Where Maori language learning occurs it tends to be undertaken as part of the ‘self-identification’ process, rather than because of any particular ‘need’; it is, if you will, another part of the ‘jigsaw’, rather than the entire puzzle. Other languages are also frequently learnt; although these are often for ‘fun’ rather than through any particular cultural imperative. Interestingly the predominant culture is invariably European (which in New Zealand usually means English/Scottish/Welsh or Irish), and even when exposed to the ‘racial / cultural’ alternatives available within the family (ie PI, Maori, ‘Asian’ or…) this is the one that ‘mixed-race’ children most frequently adhere to, even in later years.
        
        These are, of course, only my own thoughts, albeit developed over some 40 years. It’s a fascinating subject, but, because of the ‘shadows’ within it, is one which is little researched.
        
        Trusting that this has been of interest.
        
        Finally, Sorry to learn that you didn’t attend your graduation BTW; I made certain that I didn’t miss mine (BA), even though I was the oldest in my class by some 30 years…
        
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        December 20, 2017 4:37pm
      - KevOB
        
        I wouldn’t have been able to tolerate the present uni environment. My children have hopefully been successfully inoculated against misguided pc excesses.
        I agree that identity issues are being fostered at uni and Maori language is part of that. Unfortunately these tar brushed psuedo Maori don’t qualify for access to real cultural background knowledge.
        
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        December 20, 2017 6:10pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives , European culture has not being erased from this high decile school ,
    
    https://www.mags.school.nz/academic/classical-studies/
    
    BTW what low decile school do your children or grand children attend which must be the case as reflected in your ignorant comments.
    
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    December 20, 2017 12:16pm
Morrissey

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Liars of Our Time
No. 57: MIKE HOSKING

We’ve been on the case of this ignorant, conceited, puffed up, self-involved pile of political bollocks, this prancing, pretentious, poisonous fool, this fervent devotee of Bill Cosby, for a long time….

https://thestandard.org.nz/31082011/#comment-369908
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-15032015/#comment-985614

He’s been busted by the Broadcasting Standards Authority for his heinously unfair and partisan comments….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/72551742/ponytailgate-bsa-rules-against-mike-hosking

Yesterday, yet again, the Broadcasting Standards Authority condemned him for outright lying….

Mike Hosking misled Seven Sharp viewers when he told them they couldn’t vote for the Māori Party if they weren’t Māori, the Broadcasting Standards Authority has found. The BSA ruled Hosking breached its accuracy standard when he said to his co-presenter, “…you can’t vote for the Māori Party because you’re not enrolled in the Māori electorate”.

The comment was made on August 23, just under a month out from this year’s general election. The BSA found Hosking’s comment could have misled voters.

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Hosking attempted to clarify his comment the following evening, saying: “The fact that anyone can vote for them as a list party I automatically assumed we all knew given we have been doing this for 20 years… and it went without saying. So hopefully that clears all of that up.”

However the BSA said the clarification was “flippant” and too general to correct the inaccurate information for viewers.

“The incorrect statements made by Mr Hosking were presented at a critical time, when voters required accurate information to enable them to make informed voting decisions. In this case, the flippant apology provided did not reflect a genuine appreciation for the important role of media during this time,” the BSA said in its decision.

The BSA determined that TVNZ should broadcast a statement before the 2017 summer holiday break acknowledging its breach of the accuracy standard.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/99999324/bsa-says-mike-hosking-mislead-voters-with-comments-on-mori-party

Peruse our entire list of liars HERE….
https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=9182619394637139656&pli=1#editor/target=post;postID=7019263873283614006
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December 20, 2017 10:14am
- Lance
  
  Yes, we must all be humourless lemon sucking far left PC robots.
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:23am
  - Morrissey
    
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    You claim that Hosking has a sense of humour? Now THAT’s funny.
    
    Mind you, when I think about it, it’s true that Hosking has repeatedly endorsed Bill Cosby as a moral paragon for our age. I guess that’s funny.
    
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    December 20, 2017 10:33am
    - Lance
      
      Hosking Hosking Hosking
      Your obsession with Hosking is bemusing.
      All will be well in NZ if Hosking is driven out. You lie awake at night thinking of how you and your lefty team can undermine him. If only Hosking could be sacked, if only, if only……….
      
      A bit of advice; see a shrink
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:38am
      - Peter
        
        What is it with the left and Hosking? Many just can’t stand the fact someone has an opinion that isn’t the same as their own and therefore “we must shut it down”
        
        Why?
        
        Then they have the gaul to call themselves “progressives”. What a tired joke the left are these days.
        
        I don’t like Campbell, but wouldn’t want him shut down. I simply exercise my right not to pay the slightest bit of attention to him – by not tuning in.
        
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        December 20, 2017 11:02am
      - itstricky
        
        What is it with the left and Hosking? Many just can’t stand the fact someone has an opinion that isn’t the same as their own and
        
        Campbell and the Mazda fiasco. Tame and anything. Numerous radio hosts. This isn’t a left only affliction.
        
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        December 20, 2017 11:57am
    - Lance
      
      What, as opposed to Che’?
      
      A fine example was Che’, mass murdering communist asshole.
      
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      December 20, 2017 10:40am
      - stephieboy
        
        Lance ,
        
        “mass murdering..” ??
        
        Like Pol Pot ?
        
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        December 20, 2017 12:07pm
      - Lance
        
        Is there some strange twisted logic in your brain that comes to the conclusion that if I dislike Che’ I like Pol Pot??
        Because I don’t.. and your comment is fucked up
        
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        December 20, 2017 12:54pm
      - Morrissey
        
        “Mass murdering”? Like these guys?…..
        
        http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/files/2013/02/Obama-LBJ.jpg
        
        http://www.trbimg.com/img-53c9aeaa/turbine/la-pn-bill-and-hillary-clinton-through-the-yea-002
        
        https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2014/11/05/57547155_wide-e66e47ab2b2d7113551f42cecc8e70a319fb79b8.jpg?s=1400
        
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        December 20, 2017 1:51pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Morrisey , GWB , Bill Clinton and Barack Obama mass murdering whom exactly ?
        
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        December 20, 2017 4:04pm
      - Morrissey
        
        stephieboy, I presume you’re just playing at being ignorant?
        
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        December 20, 2017 4:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Morrissey there is good reason Stephie is called Kiwiblogs Dumbest Commentator!
        
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        December 20, 2017 4:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed ( and Morrissey ) , examples of the said Presidents committing Pol Pot, Stalinist, Mao style mass murdering ?
        
        DUH !
        
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        December 20, 2017 5:01pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks All on Red, I see what you mean!
        
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        December 20, 2017 5:07pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Morrissey , why are you so easily convinced about what left ideologues like, Greenwald , Pilger and Chomsky say ?
        
        https://www.iraqbodycount.org
        
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        December 20, 2017 5:13pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie
        I was pointing out to Morrissey how dumb you are and if course you confuse the issue!
        You’re such a king.
        Hey, hung out at any toilets today?
        Creep
        
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        December 20, 2017 6:00pm
  - sam green
    
    Jeez – the “seethe” level is high among the far right today.
    
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    December 20, 2017 1:26pm
    - Brito
      
      Time for a wee afternoon nap followed by a bit of quiet time. Shhhhh!!!!
      
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      December 20, 2017 3:26pm
      - sam green
        
        Put your feet up then grandad.
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:57pm
      - Brito
        
        You’re up late. Have you been a good boy? Try not to talk too lad while the adults discuss grown up stuff.
        
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        December 20, 2017 9:23pm
- Brito
  
  …yes, yes! But your point is…?
  
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  December 20, 2017 10:33am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Yes Morrissey, Hosking made the mistake in believing that the small percentage of leftist retards that were watching his program would realise that anyone can vote for them as a list party.
  I’m sure he learned his lesson that leftist retards are retards for a reason, and everything has to be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. And among the left, that is uncommonly low.
  I would point out that nowhere has the BSA indicated Hosking is a liar. The only person that is calling him that is you.
  
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  December 20, 2017 11:43am
  - Morrissey
    
    “The incorrect statements made by Mr Hosking were presented at a critical time, when voters required accurate information to enable them to make informed voting decisions. In this case, the flippant apology provided did not reflect a genuine appreciation for the important role of media during this time.”
    
    https://bsa.govt.nz/decisions/8273-mccaughan-and-television-new-zealand-ltd-2017-083-18-december-2017
    
    Being highly constrained by bureaucratic demands of politesse, they don’t actually call him a liar, but you and I and everyone else can understand exactly what is meant by “incorrect statements made by Mr Hosking were presented at a critical time, when voters required accurate information.”
    
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    December 20, 2017 2:00pm
    - ztev
      
      To be honest, most radio and TV presenters fluff about 20% of what they say.
      
      Was just listening to someone talk about greyhound racing, and they asked him ‘how much money’ does the industry make.
      He said the betting turnover was $120 mill per year, but thats done by the TAB
      So immediately the two hosts on Radion Live started prattling about ‘the industry gets $120 mill a year’ completly ignoring what he said about the TAB turnover – of course the punters get most of that.
      Lisa Owen who are supposed to be sharper than that, but you are out of your depth talking about anything relating to gambling – I dont gamble but have a reasonable idea of how its works.
      
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      December 20, 2017 4:21pm
- Victor Omega
  
  *Ahem*: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_19_december_2017.html#comment-2102735
  
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  December 20, 2017 11:53am
Inandout

Leighton has some delightful children on his show this morning, with the usual Santa on for an hour. Lots of wishes for computers and Apple products, and most are polite children. The socialists and grinches will be happy this is probably one of Leighton’s last Christmas broadcasts.
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December 20, 2017 10:40am
SGA

Concerning the Hosking/BSA business –
Having watched the clip of the original incident –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2GuVHpXuxU
– I can’t see where the intended “joke” was.
It looks more to me as though Hosking had a brief brain fade, but realised that he was talking nonsense and tried to cover it with a “just joking” at the end.
He’d have been better off just admitting he’d had a momentary lapse than the song and dance since.
Just imho.
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December 20, 2017 11:34am
- itstricky
  
  Yep. Does agreeing make us both bitter & twisted lefties who are just trying to bring the man down?
  
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  December 20, 2017 11:47am
  - Brito
    
    Yes!
    
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    December 20, 2017 4:41pm
- Kimbo
  
  Agree. When in a hole, stop digging. He’s a broadcaster in prime time so the onus was on him to maintain high standards of accuracy. especially regarding the workings of the electoral system. If had been ACT or the Conservatives who were disadvantaged by his lack of accuracy plenty round here would have been screaming blue murder.
  
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  December 20, 2017 12:03pm
- sam green
  
  What did Key say to Weldon and Christie about Campbell again?
  
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  December 20, 2017 1:27pm
  - Lance
    
    High ratings = good
    Low ratings = bad
    
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    December 20, 2017 2:00pm
Catons

They are wasting public money through poorly designed policy such as the universal fuel allowance, student loan increases that have gone straight to the landlords, a poorly targeted child support policy that sees much of it going to dud parents who will simply use the money to buy drugs and alcohol and gambling
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December 20, 2017 11:45am
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/100025557/needy-camp-overnight-at-auckland-city-mission-for-food-parcels

Real need? Or is it just a bunch of people taking advantage of free stuff?
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December 20, 2017 11:58am
- Kimbo
  
  So not even the possibility of a both/and in that question? 😉
  
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  December 20, 2017 12:06pm
  - cmm
    
    You’re being over pedantic. Having to add disclaimers and qualifiers all over the place makes for very cumbersome test.
    
    Of course there are some in genuine need, but they are few. And most of them are in need of understanding how to budget etc, rather than being in anything like true poverty.
    
    However I’m sure that you will find that the numbers are significantly swelled by people who just see this as free stuff for the taking.
    
    They’ll come back on Christmas day for the free Christmas dinner too – good feed, someone else does the cooking and washing up and it’s all “free”.
    
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    December 20, 2017 12:25pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Meh, one man’s “pedantic” is another man’s “divinity is in the detail”. Especially when you are rather cavalier in assigning “most” as being in “(true) poverty”. Put it this way, there was a time in NZ’s past – before you got here – when it was macro-economic policy to keep wages sufficiently high so that a family could be housed and a basic standard of living attained. Hating on the poor may be trendy around here – and I don’t dispute there will be self-inflicted wounds concerning budgeting and life style choices for some, or even out-and-out bludgers – but if some have freely given for it to be given as charity, why despise those who receive it?
      
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      December 20, 2017 12:37pm
- Longknives
  
  Just don’t offer them any tinned fruit or vegetables!
  Seems it’s ‘KFC or Nuthin’ for our allegedly Poverty stricken..
  
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  December 20, 2017 12:15pm
  - Digmen1
    
    I carry tins of chick peas and canned tomatoes with me all the time. Just in case I can give some to our local homeless.
    
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    December 20, 2017 1:28pm
Longknives

Here comes Devoy in 3.2.1….

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99925523/racist-afrikaans-day-revived-in-nz
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December 20, 2017 12:19pm
- KevOB
  
  Those who have escaped from the tyranny that was South Africa are entitled to consider their roots. When we have seen via TV white SA farmers driven off their lands and their government calling for more it it not unreasonable for escapees to comment. Celebrating their heritage has to be proper too. Racism is displaced by fact.
  
  Only the devoid of sense would be bothered.
  
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  December 20, 2017 12:51pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Problem I have with this – and I speak as a Calvinist who doesn’t like to see the biblical doctrine of election used in heretical forms – is that the Battle of Blood River celebrations are a bit more than thanking God for his providence. It is (was) also about the idea that Afrikaaners were God’s chosen people who, by divine election were given dominion to rule over black Africans, and the battle itself was God’s approval and means of enforcing that fact. So, no, it is not devoid of…racism.
    
    Put it this way – courtesy of the almost exemplary conduct of white South Africans migrants to NZ the past 20 or so years ago to wash away the misgivings Kiwis may have had after the Springbok tour/apartheid era…I’d suggest Kiwi Saffers are free to celebrate their history as they want…but you may be the subject of legitimate concerns and negative feedback if it is celebrating the Battle of Blood River.
    
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    December 20, 2017 1:18pm
    - Rodney Randall
      
      “It is (was) also about the idea that Afrikaaners were God’s chosen people”
      
      Bit like that Calvinist Pre destination/ “unconditional election” doctrine.
      
      All fervent ravings from the ‘chosen’ who claim to have a direct telephone line to God.
      
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      December 20, 2017 3:35pm
      - Kimbo
        
        You might think that. Nonetheless the biblical doctrines of predestination and divine election rest on the notion that God chooses some not because of any good character on the part of the elect – including their race, culture, creed, gender, economic status, intelligence, or supposed worthiness – but in spite of it. Hence claiming privilege for one race or culture, especially over another and co-opting God as justification is…a heresy.
        
        As per the great neo-Orthodox Swiss Reformed scholar Karl Barth, God says “no” to the world, in order that he can say “yes” through his election via Christ. IN Barth’s case it was saying “no” when the German churches of the 1930s were proclaiming Adolf Hitler the “gift of God”. same applies to any race, including Afrikaaners, Ulster Protestants and – yes, even in the light of Christ – Jews who claim they have some special divine pass/superiority to rule over others on the earth
        
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        December 20, 2017 3:39pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Oh, yes, and unlike Pentecostals, Charismatics and other assorted Arminian mystics, Calvinists don’t claim to have a “direct telephone line” to God. Instead, he speaks in a way that is available to all – through Christ via the Holy Scriptures. So feel free to flick open the Bible and start reading – with an attitude of humility and open inquiry, which God will grant if you ask him.
        
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        December 20, 2017 4:04pm
    - cmm
      
      Please do not confuse Afrikaners, particularly verkrampte (conservative) Afrikaners, with the English speaking South Africans that make up the majority of South Africans that choose to make NZ home.
      
      As DG recently pointed out in his opinion piece that Pasifika does not work as an umbrella group for Samoans and Tongans, exactly the same cam be said of Afrikaners and English speaking South Africans.
      
      And yes, just like there are Tongans who get married to Samoans, there are Afrikaners and English speaking South Africans that get married etc.
      
      “Battle of Blood River celebrations are a bit more than thanking God for his providence”
      
      As with many deeply religious people, they believed this was a message from God that they were doing the right thing.
      
      It was not just a matter of ruling over blacks but also of bringing God’s word and stability to the region. ie They were on a mission from God doing God’s work.
      
      Remember that Blood River happened in 1938 – just a few years after the end of the Mfecane when the Zulus wiped out over a million people (about half the population of South Africa).
      
      While is is easy to focus on the racial element (and I am in no way denying that there was one), the Voortrekkers -and of course the Brits – also brought a period of relative stability and prosperity which helped everyone in the region thrive.
      
      It is quite easy to look back from here (in both time and space) with cynicism, but at the these people strongly believed that they were living God’s purpose on a day-to-day basis where you could get killed by Zulus, get bitten by a snake, trampled by wildlife and die of shitty diseases.
      
      That said, the modern Afrikaners harking back to Blood River do deserve that cynicism. They are milking the event and twisting it to their ends.
      
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      December 20, 2017 3:41pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Remember that Blood River happened in 19838 – just a few years after the end of the Mfecane when the Zulus wiped out over a million people (about half the population of South Africa).
        
        Fixed that typo for ya. Yep, good background and nuance. Bear in mind the Afrikaaners took off into the wilderness on the Great Trek to get away from the British! 😉
        
        So, as the Bible was about the only book they had, and they were already Calvinists courtesy of the Dutch Reformed Church, it was relatively easy to co-opt the Biblical story of the Exodus and Conquest of the Promised Land to their circumstances. Plus some dodgy exegesis and application of the story of Noah’s son Ham, and the curse on his supposedly dark-skinned offspring in Genesis chapter 9.
        
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        December 20, 2017 3:54pm
Morrissey

Liars of Our Time
No. 58: “A TVNZ spokesperson”

“We’ve acknowledged Mike Hosking’s comments made on Seven Sharp on 23 August about voting for the Māori Party required clarification. It was addressed the following day on the show when Mike clarified that anyone can vote for the Māori Party as a list party. There was no intention to mislead viewers and Mike’s comments were presented as a throwaway line made in the context of a light-hearted exchange between the hosts.”

—–Unnamed “TVNZ spokesperson”, Tuesday 19 December 2017

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/99999324/bsa-says-mike-hosking-mislead-voters-with-comments-on-mori-party

Catch up with ALL the Liars….

http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.co.nz/
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December 20, 2017 2:19pm
- Brito
  
  Where’s that little Persian Princess bint on your list of the damned and the dying????
  
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  December 20, 2017 3:28pm
- starboard
  
  Butter factory? Really…?
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:10pm
Morrissey

As of 2:51 p.m., ten kind souls had registered their solidarity with the un-named “TVNZ spokesperson”. To be fair, being required to spin for something like Mike Hosking (“That’s Bill Cosby—GOO-O-O-O-OD, eh!”) must be one of the more wretched and thankless tasks in this country.
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December 20, 2017 2:50pm
Rodney Randall

The C.C.C. appointed Lianne Dalziel to the “Global Covenant of Mayors for Climate Energy” today.

She was ecstatic as was Eco warrior Vicky Buck.
This is the future they all proclaimed!

Earlier in the meeting Cr Cotter stated that the removal of all carparks from a major road next to the developing convention centre was “the future”

The C.C.C. is full of UN carbon neutral Globalist shills. They are all barking mad! The Mayors’ step son Cr Mike Davidson (in broken English) praised Lianne for leading the way forward.

This is another extension of UN Agenda 21.

The insidious over reach of the United Nations is accelerating. Their ideological left wing poodles are entrenched in local governments throughout the world.

Sovereign governance is eroding as we are dictated to by the Globalist Agenda.

How much longer will sovereign countries allow the globlalists to dictate their laws/totalitarian edicts?

The proposed Migration Compact (an extension of the New York Agreement) and their proposed hate speech laws may well be the tipping point for free speech patriots.

This country is infected
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December 20, 2017 3:29pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  The Global Coven of UN Nightmares
  
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  December 20, 2017 3:44pm
- cmm
  
  “removal of all carparks from a major road ”
  
  Good thing the Council all have reserved spaces in the private CCC carpark!
  
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  December 20, 2017 3:45pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Precisely.
    
    And some of the agressive “cycling is the future, cars are evil”, ideologues, drive cars to the council chambers and when called out on it hangup on you.
    
    Local Government mantra: “Do as I say, not as I do”
    
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    December 20, 2017 3:53pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Plus everyone knows that in most NZ cities a person of normal fitness can’t cycle everywhere. In flat North European countries it works, here it doesn’t.
      
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      December 20, 2017 4:53pm
sooty

Just think of all the jollies she will be on, for how long?
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December 20, 2017 3:34pm
Monique Watson

What is a man’s idea of a balanced diet? A: A Budweiser in each hand!
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December 20, 2017 3:36pm
- cmm
  
  The basic idea is good…. but not the Bud.
  
  There’s a good reason Bud is sometimes called sex in a canoe.
  
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  December 20, 2017 3:47pm
EAD_TWO

The fix is in – according to leaders of our “democracies”, it looks like mass migration of the 3rd world into Gentiles lands ain’t ever going to stop even once we resemble Detroit or South Africa:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/12/18/eu-white-mass-migration-norm/

Brussels has said that Europeans must accept mass migration from the third world as the “new norm”, warning that neither walls nor policies will allow any part of the EU to remain “homogenous and migration-free”

This is literally the end of history as we know is being allowed to happens all because of the fear of being called one word – “racist”.

https://redice.tv/news/racist-a-word-invented-by-ussr-s-leon-trotsky

The “far right extremist” in me hopes that at some point the prospect of actually being wiped out in our own nations will outweigh the social accolades you get for hating and attacking yourself in the minds of the majority of white people.
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December 20, 2017 4:18pm
- Brito
  
  Nurse, come quickly. Patient Brito has fainted!!! Nurse! Oxygen!!!!!!
  
  Fuck me gently (and carefully)…I think we’re on the same page.
  
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  December 20, 2017 4:45pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Now, let’s see if you can join the rest of the dots. If you are on the same page as EAD, what does that maybe, just maybe say about the likely validity of your attitudes andthoughts to…non-Europeans. Take your time… 😉
    
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    December 20, 2017 5:04pm
    - Brito
      
      My attitudes to non-Europeans is fixed. Asians…10/10…work like dogs and bright as a button. Love them to bits.
      
      Africans…10/10 great people who are much maligned.
      
      Mexicans and South Americans in general…10/10 great people who are much to be admired.
      
      Etc etc etc.
      
      Missing….kin’ Arabs.
      
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      December 20, 2017 7:49pm
      - realityczech
        
        Lies Brittle. You won’t even let the people who’s land you stole come and visit because your God does not like them as much.
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:11pm
      - Brito
        
        Oh yeah…and those fuckers!!! Thanks Czeckist!!
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:17pm
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Africans…10/10 great people who are much maligned.
        
        Let’s assume that statement is not a piss-take. Why doesnt your leader want them in Israel where they might risk breeding with Jewish girls?
        
        http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Netanyahu-Time-to-increase-deportation-of-African-migrants-514604
        
        “It is time to increase the pace of deporting African migrants“, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told the cabinet on Sunday.
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:19pm
      - realityczech
        
        EAD I think we need to nuke these anti semites 🙂
        ————————————————
        WHY ETHIOPIAN JEWS FACE INCREASING DISCRIMINATION AND POLICE BRUTALITY IN ISRAEL
        
        http://www.newsweek.com/2016/10/07/why-ethiopian-jews-israel-face-discrimination-racism-police-brutality-502697.html
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:21pm
      - Brito
        
        Come on Ead you little butt squeezer. You know the concept of sleeping with black men excites you.
        
        Giz a hug and tell us all about it.
        
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        December 20, 2017 9:18pm
      - Brito
        
        And anyway, they’re Africans not Jewish Africans.
        
        Big fucking difference there sunshine.
        
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        December 20, 2017 9:25pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  I don’t care what colour immigrants are. Recently I (politely) told a couple of Asian guys that they had their dog on the beach after 10am. They smiled, took the dog off and *thanked* me for reminding them! We said a friendly good bye.
  
  I’ve been abused many times by white slobs who break the bylaws re dogs on beaches.
  
  It really isn’t about race, EAD, it’s about attitude.
  
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  December 20, 2017 4:57pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    It really isn’t about race
    
    It’s lovely to live in your own little deluded bubble but it just shows me you don’t understand human nature.
    
    You might not think it’s about race, but I’ll tell you what, all our overlords know it’s about race. People evolve as groups and tribes. It’s only because you’re in a still somewhat civilised White country that you can survive as a “radical individualist”.
    
    I’m guessing you believe that turning Europe Black will work out in the end because People like Classical Liberal can reinvent nature and teach them “the right attitude”.
    
    Why do we bother saving the Kiwi – there are plenty of other birds out there with “the right attitude”.
    
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    December 20, 2017 8:12pm
    - Classic Liberal
      
      In this case I was saying those Asian guys could teach some local slobs the right attitude, actually.
      
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      December 20, 2017 9:09pm
Kimbo

looks like mass migration of the 3rd world to Gentiles world ain’t ever going to stop

Um, the 3rd world are…Gentiles. Can’t. Even. Define. Basic. Definitions.
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December 20, 2017 4:21pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  used in the sense of when the world “gentile” originated in biblical times in the Middle East.
  
  Using the word “White” is a bit triggering for some of the snowflakes these days 🙂
  
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  December 20, 2017 4:54pm
  - Kimbo
    
    You mean…the only meaning – a non-Jew (other than as used by Mormons to describe non-Mormons)?
    
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    December 20, 2017 5:01pm
tom hunter

The “far right extremist” in me hopes that at some point the prospect of actually being wiped out in our own nations..

Ah! Of course! Götterdämmerung. ‘Twas ever thus. 🙂
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December 20, 2017 4:38pm
Brito

Here’s an interesting story getting a beat up by MSM. Some of the comments make me puke.

Dirty Fonterra ripping off the consumer…again.

Well, no actually. The company which purchases the product from Fonterra, and provides the packaging, is guilty here.

I was in a factory where butter was being made and Anchor 500g blocks were flying off the machine. A halt was called and a big stainless drum was wheeled out and replaced.

The whole thing started up again and a ‘new brand’ was spat out of the drum.

Same butter, same old cows, but different wrapper.

The loss leader status of this butter was to attract customers to buy other products while they were sucked into the supermarket.

Now the same dirty dogs are hoping people don’t realise that they are getting 100g less butter when they buy their ‘cheaper’ block.

C’mon Cindy, go into bat and deal with these Aussie owned chains.
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December 20, 2017 5:06pm
- starboard
  
  Butter factory? Really…?
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:05pm
  - Brito
    
    500 g blocks. Similar to the type you and your boyfriend use.
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:14pm
VicParking

Just started watching the cricket on TV. Why do our announcers spend the whole time running down our team. Its “this is how/why we will loose”, “This is what the West Indies need to do to win”. Off went the sound and on goes the radio commentary. TV commentators SUCK.
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December 20, 2017 5:07pm
- igm
  
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  December 20, 2017 5:10pm
Viking2

MP Yang lobbied ministers to overturn Security Intelligence Service block

Embattled MP Jian Yang lobbied ministers in a bid to overturn a national security block on a Chinese-born job applicant taking up a sensitive position in the defence force.

Months after first taking a seat in Parliament following the 2011 election, Jian took up the case of an aggrieved applicant for a New Zealand Defence Force job who had failed background checks conducted by the Security Intelligence Service.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11962652

Good work by Coleman but time the Nats. cleaned house. They had better do so because this is not going away and will rear its ugly head in time for the next election. Labour of course are just as foolish so the same applies to them.
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December 20, 2017 5:12pm
Viking2

“The Tax Working Group has been established to look at the structure, fairness and balance of New Zealand’s tax system. The wide range of expertise and experience among the membership means the Working Group is well placed to consider changes to make our tax system fairer,” Grant Robertson says.

Along with chair Sir Michael Cullen, the Working Group members being appointed are:

·Professor Craig Elliffe, University of Auckland

·Joanne Hodge, former tax partner at Bell Gully

·Kirk Hope, Chief Executive of Business New Zealand

·Nick Malarao, senior partner at Meredith Connell

Related Topics
NewsTax Working GroupTaxGrant RobertsonMichael CullenStuart NashRobin OliverKirk HopeBill RosenbergCraig Elliffe

·Geof Nightingale, partner at PwC New Zealand

·Robin Oliver, former Deputy Commissioner at Inland Revenue

·Hinerangi Raumati, Chair of Parininihi ki Waitotara Inc

·Michelle Redington, Head of Group Taxation and Insurance at Air New Zealand

·Bill Rosenberg, Economist and Director of Policy at the CTU

·Marjan Van Den Belt, Assistant Vice Chancellor (Sustainability) at Victoria University of Wellington

“We’ve got a good mix of people on the Working Group – from tax experts and academics, to people with private sector, union and Maori community expertise. The Working Group is tasked with looking at how we can make our tax system fairer for all and the diversity in this team makes it well placed to do that,” Stuart Nash says.

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/91491/govts-tax-working-group-features-11-members-including-auckland-universitys-craig-elliffe

I note that there is no representative of small business and the poor.
How could they leave out the poor.
I also note that “rich prick” Cullen is the chair.
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December 20, 2017 5:14pm
- Scott
  
  Like we could have lower taxes and encourage businesses to locate here in NZ and create jobs? But whatever the economic benefits it will be a cool day in hell before this government lowers taxes! ?
  
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  December 20, 2017 5:33pm
  - sooty
    
    Michael call me “SIR” Cullen needs a little more in the retirement fund, so he can live the life he’s become acustomed too.
    
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    December 20, 2017 6:04pm
  - Viking2
    
    Freezing in fact.
    
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    December 20, 2017 6:15pm
- Komata
  
  Viking2
  
  Re: ‘How could they leave out the poor’.
  
  Very easily, since after all ‘the Poor’ can’t think for themselves and need to be told what they do by a kind, (mal?)benevolent government which knows exactly and precisely what is good for them.
  
  Only then will we have the true harmony and prosperity which is the hallmark of ‘International Socialism’ (‘Ardern’-style)…
  
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  December 20, 2017 6:24pm
Viking2

Government rules terminally ill people allowed to smoke cannabis

Terminally ill people will be temporarily permitted to smoke cannabis under the Government’s new law – with New Zealand’s medicinal cannabis industry expected to take off within 24 months.

When the scheme is up and running, patients with a prescription will be able to access medicinal cannabis at a pharmacy

However, there’s no guarantee prohibitively expensive medicinal cannabis products will be subsidised by Pharmac.

Until the industry takes off, the Government will decriminalise the use of cannabis plants for those with less than 12 months to live, if they have a doctor’s approval.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/12/government-rules-terminally-ill-pe

Bit better than nothing but still weak as piss behavoir. Way ahead of the Nats of course.
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December 20, 2017 5:45pm
- VicParking
  
  If I smoke enough dope I’m sure I will die within a year. What a way to go. Bring it on
  
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  December 20, 2017 5:50pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And if you don’t die, what then?
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:18pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Way ahead of the Nats of course”……
  
  Anything other than burying their heads in sand & hoping that the issue would go away would be an improvement on the way National has approached the issue.
  
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  December 20, 2017 6:08pm
- realityczech
  
  The one good thing Labour – might – do is legalise dope.
  
  Ironically while targeting tobacco and alcohol, so they will not do so due to any liberal values. They are authoritarian control freaks.
  
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  December 20, 2017 7:24pm
  - nasska
    
    It is quite possible that deeply religious West Coast coal miners or South Auckland PIs are the most socially conservative creatures on the planet.
    
    Labour is best likened to a sackful of mad cats.
    
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    December 20, 2017 7:32pm
Viking2

The new Government has put a full stop on state house sales today, halting a 2500-house transfer in Christchurch.

Making the announcement at the famous first state home in Miramar, Wellington, Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern said housing was at the core of her Government’s agenda.

“Our belief is that housing is at the heart of what makes our community strong, and everyone deserves to have a warm, dry and affordable home.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/100039478?cid=facebook.post.100039478
Twyford is pratt.
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December 20, 2017 5:48pm
- Digmen1
  
  Why does everyone deserve a nice warm home.
  
  What have they done to deserve it?
  
  Worked hard all their life?
  Paid taxes
  Not got into trouble wit the law
  Had only one or two children.
  Be a New Zealander.
  Came here legally.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:51pm
Komata

Viking2

My understanding is that it was still possible for tenants to purchase their ‘State’ homes, and that many were trying to do so. If that is correct (and no doubt I will be told if it isn’t), and on the basis of this announcement, any tenant who might want to purchase their home (and was perhaps close to doing so), is now totally out of luck??

If so, then it is possible that the COL might have just lost some ‘loyal’ supporters.

Generosity, thy name is ‘Socialism’. Jacinda giveth, and Jacinda taketh away, ‘blessed’ be ‘saint’ Jacinda…’
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December 20, 2017 6:16pm
- nasska
  
  Komata
  
  In the Wairarapa, Trust House, formed in 1998 to run Masterton Licensing Trust businesses, in 1999 bought every state house from Martinborough to Dannevirke.
  
  My personal observation is that the properties are now better cared for than they were by the Housing Corp. They are still rented to the same no hopers but are tidy,well maintained & no longer the ghetto of rubbish & wrecked cars they used to be.
  
  Tenants pay the same as they would for a State House in any other region.
  
  If organisations such as the licensing trust are prepared to fund & run community housing then surely the government of the day is better to take the money & use it to build more rental units.
  
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  December 20, 2017 6:39pm
Ross12

I see a piece on W/O that says Simon Bridges and his supporters –Todd Muller in particular are looking at forming a non partisan group headed by Shaw to support a the idea of a Climate Commission. Have these guys got a death wish ?? If the Government want the Commission let them get the support they need from NZ First.
Alternatively let them watch National drop in the polls and the undecided vote increase. As farmers learn the fact that agriculture is not counted in any other country’s schemes they will rightfully question why NZ is even thinking about it.
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December 20, 2017 6:51pm
Manolo

Another socialist “victory”:
https://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21732808-venezuela-exception-rule-countries-rarely-default-their-debts
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December 20, 2017 7:06pm
nasska

The idea of the sacred is quite simply one of the most conservative notions in any culture because it seeks to turn other ideas, uncertainty, progress, change, into crimes.

Salman Rushdie
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December 20, 2017 7:24pm
- realityczech
  
  nasska read a book. Smart arse prick thinks he is better than everyone else now 🙂
  
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  December 20, 2017 7:27pm
Rachael Membery

Don’t go to Africa?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11963218
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December 20, 2017 7:28pm
- realityczech
  
  It is racist to judge Africans against humans.
  
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  December 20, 2017 7:30pm
  - Brito
    
    Uuummm?
    
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    December 20, 2017 7:51pm
    - realityczech
      
      Brittle are you tempting me to link to the shocking and horrific accounts of how black African Jews are treated in the promised land ?
      
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      December 20, 2017 8:12pm
      - realityczech
        
        Israel to African refugees: You’re not welcome here
        
        TEL AVIV, Israel — In a dusty detention center in Israel’s Negev desert, Tomas Yomani, an asylum seeker from Eritrea in East Africa, has been biding his time for nine months while under the watch of Israeli guards.
        
        Israel’s treatment of African refugees has come under attack from local human rights groups, who say a country founded by Jewish refugees persecuted during World War II should be more understanding of the asylum seekers’ plight.
        
        “The entire world is dealing with millions of refugees. It’s baseless for Israel, a developed country, to claim that it cannot take its part in carrying the burden,”
        
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/11/02/israel-african-refugees-youre-not-welcome/804628001/
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:15pm
      - realityczech
        
        The story of the immigration and absorption of Ethiopian Jews in Israel epitomises the best and the worst of Israeli society.
        
        True to its Zionist dream of being a haven for Jews, the Jewish state embarked on risky and expensive rescue operations in the 1980s and 1990s.
        
        These brought tens of thousands of Jews from remote parts of Ethiopia, who had suffered from religious persecution, famine and civil wars.
        
        Yet, when they arrived in Israel, these distinctive people faced appalling discrimination, racism and a lack of empathy for their hardships in Ethiopia and during their journey to Israel.
        
        http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-32813056
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:16pm
      - Brito
        
        Yeah but the buggers are…different…and they’re…well…they’re blik.
        
        Jesus was white. The Master of the Universe was white. I’ve seen the books and the paintings. It must be so.
        
        Obviously there was a nordic strain running through the Middle East at that time.
        
        So there…
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:22pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Jesus was white. The Master of the Universe was white. ”
        
        Yeah but you lot killed him too !
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:23pm
      - Brito
        
        We were having a bad week…
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:24pm
      - realityczech
        
        Just watching Air Crash Disaster about the Ethiopian passenger plane you shot down just out of Lebanon. Most unconvincing bullshit story I have ever heard.
        
        [Spoiler alert: the filthy goyim “blacks” were to blame. Not the Jewmerican plane or the chosen ones}
        
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        December 20, 2017 8:31pm
      - Brito
        
        Please tell me you’re not siting at home watching air crash porn. Sad, very sad!
        
        Anyway, that movie is a Soviet propaganda piece developed during the Cold War and is so full of holes you could package it and sell it as cheese.
        
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        December 20, 2017 9:03pm
- nasska
  
  From Rachael’s link:
  
  …..”In 2011, three women were arrested after picking up men on a road between Gweru and Harare. Police found 31 condoms full of semen, believed to have been intended for ritual purposes, when they were stopped at a road block.”…..
  
  This blog’s religio/conservatives could donate them a 208 litre drum full of fresh hand expressed sperm before lunch any day. 🙂
  
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  December 20, 2017 7:41pm
  - realityczech
    
    nasska, you must be understanding of African social norms. They sound remarkably civilised so are probably a product of colonisation.
    
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    December 20, 2017 7:46pm
Rachael Membery

Komata
The Grad thing strangely enough felt gratuitous, hard to explain.

I completed Law in 2010 and had started the B.Soc.Sci as a conjoint but finished it last year as a separate degree.

My father, of Welsh and Cornish descent learned the Maori language when he went to Wesley College (in the ’50’s I think), he had lots of Maori associations, through the Army, business etc, admittedly more likely to be educated but it wasn’t something that I was aware of growing up as such, I only saw people.

I object to ‘identity’ framing, certainly if I am expected to be an apologist about my own races. My English side should be in conflict with my Welsh, Cornish and Irish sides as it has once oppressed them, what a lot of nonsense lol.

My friend was there for her PhD, we had done Law together. There were stories of student hardship etc, to me they were no different to anyone elses, but the support was greater, if I had had all of my essays peer reviewed before submission, then at what point would it cease to be ones own work? Mine was all my own.

Two of my children anecdotally, on their father’s side, (according to their grandmother from Gisborne) have some Maori blood, neither of them have any interest in capitalizing on that fact or even researching it, it does not define them, nor would I want it to.
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December 20, 2017 8:17pm
Nostradamus

Jacinda Ardern to Parliament: ‘If you’re ever Andrew Little’s deputy, possibly run for the hills’

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has paid humorous tribute to Andrew Little, telling MPs if you’re ever his deputy “run for the hills”.

Or run for PM like Jacinda did?

Ardern went through what she had learned over the year – starting with not to plumb her own toilet. She referred to National’s finance spokesman Steven Joyce’s claims of a “hole” in Labour’s books during the campaign. “I learnt an election can be a good, clean contest of ideas – with the exception of a few holes.”

Jacinda seems to be saying that some holes are bad and dirty. Has she told Grant?
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December 20, 2017 8:32pm
- realityczech
  
  If the commie princesses holes are anything less than pristine you can – with considerable confidence – rule out Gaylord as the culprit.
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:41pm
  - nasska
    
    I’d go along with that RC. After Whale’s expose I’m uncertain that the First Bloke is up to it. 🙂
    
    https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/10/first-slut-shaming-now-cross-dressing-meet-clarke-gayford/
    
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    December 20, 2017 8:53pm
nasska

…..” some holes are bad and dirty”…..

Have you not heard the ad for Harpic?

Cleans in places that Alf could never reach. 🙂
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December 20, 2017 8:46pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Australian Ad Harpic Toilet Cleaner – 1990
  
  “Every day in a million ways, every home needs Harpic”
  
  Won’t someone think of the children?!
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:54pm
- starboard
  
  Grant will tell you…its 3 degrees warmer ?
  
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  December 20, 2017 8:58pm
  - Brito
    
    Homophobe!!!!
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:06pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Has the weatherman Tamati confirmed the temperature, Starboard?
    
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    December 20, 2017 9:10pm
starboard

Dirty filthy brown sodomite is Tamati Coffee. Up to his nuts in his boyfriends guts..filthy fuckin pervert.
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December 20, 2017 9:21pm
- Brito
  
  That’s rich coming from somebody who uses a pound of butter everyday with his ‘friend’. And I hear you’re lactose intolerant too. Have you no shame?
  
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  December 20, 2017 9:28pm
- softail 1450
  
  starboard,what I want to know about coffee is has he been given leave to have two jobs by jacinda,he’s in parliament but still doing his gig with tvnz.
  even the ubertrougher willie Jackson has retired from his other jobs to take up his place in parliament ,WTF.
  
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    Mouldy like to have their fat greasy fingers in many pies at once.
    
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Forever a crook:
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/19/politics/hillary-clinton-gallup-favorability/index.html
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