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These general debates are coming thick & fast now.
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December 18, 2017 8:04am
Notsofast

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Mark Lundy is entitled to go into the prison festive season in bouyant mood for a range of reasons. Any rational study of the appeal transcripts, which will be available due to the live herald feed, show complete proof of innocence, and a recitation of disproved crown points in an extremely lacklustre and uncommitted presentation by Philip Morgan QC. Many police fabrications were exposed, and eregiously repeated, such as the detective Olsen dredging for witness X. This slimy cheat should have been left in his jail cell. Like witness B from Tamihere, prison records prove X was never in the same place at the same time, to hear a “confession”.

If the appeal court fails Lundy, to appease the Wellington masters, Andrew Little’s CCRC is custom designed to bring back every detail of the case, the voluminous records, to the table, and these show that Mark Lundy never left Petone, and that his family was killed around midnight in response to a debt collecting exercise. They show the dna of the killer under the fingernails, and his fingerprints around the window where he broke in. They show the paint flecks derive from paint that Mark never used on his tools.They show that Amber ate a few hours before she was killed, and was dead long before the 3 am earliest crown time. They also show that he had 30 liters too little petrol to do the crown’s disgracefully named “killing trip”. This is indeed new science from the racetrack. Remarkably, the most desperate driving of any marque always uses 3 times the petrol the most economical driving does, and Morgan had to make wily statements to squeak in the absurd crown case.

This is a tragic hoax for New Zealanders to confront in the new year. Enjoy your Christmas in the best prison fashion Mark, and think about the lives of the lazy villagers who vainly try to discard you. You will be back.
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December 18, 2017 8:04am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Get over it Notsofast, the man is guilty as sin.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:09am
  - Notsofast
    
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    The crown had to roll over on the fabricated science by the Netherlands forensic Institute. Who knew they were so strapped for cash they would accept blood money to keep an innocent man in jail. Letitia Sijens is a consummate fraud, exposed by the defence expert. Morgan was forced to claim he never needed her contention the alleged CNS tissue was human, that his conviction was safe anyway. But the panel seemed unconvinced. And why introduce the evidence of a scientific cheat if the case was already good? How do we know the jury were not influenced when Morgan thundered 33 times in summing up that no man should have his WIFE’S brain on his shirt.
    
    He didn’t, Captain.
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:17am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Did you ever watch the Into The Darklands episode on Mark Lundy? His behaviours leading up to and subsequent to the murders were very revealing which was one of the reasons nearly every person connected to the case were convinced of his guilt.
      
      The man is a narcissistic sociopath Notsofast; he not only was capable, but did in fact kill his wife and daughter.
      
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      December 18, 2017 8:24am
      - Notsofast
        
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        Yes. I watched the episode. I have listened to Nigel Latta explain that Mark always planned to kill his own daughter and take up with a 20 year old vixen on his new vineyard.
        Yep, heard our Nigel. He is a drop kick of the first order.
        For the record, behaviour at funerals is notoriously unpredictable. I could name a local well known case that had attendees appalled at the widow’s behaviour. She did not kill her husband.
        
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        December 18, 2017 8:36am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Yep, heard our Nigel. He is a drop kick of the first order.
        
        Because his very qualified and considered opinion didn’t match your narrative?
        
        I don’t agree on a number of things Latta champions, but I have the utmost respect for his professional ability and experience – its strange how he was uncannily accurate in his profiling of the other violent offenders in his books and TV series but was way off on Lundy. But then perhaps William Bell, Jules Mika, Liam Reid and Antony Dixon (to name a few) were all miscarriages of justice?
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:17am
      - fernglas
        
        It’s interesting that his behaviour was something the jury was apparently interested in, both at the trial and when he was interviewed. People’s ability to read behaviour accurately has become the subject of a lot of scrutiny, and the Courts are requiring specific directions to avoid reaching conclusions on behaviour. For example, was Lundy’s performance at the funeral because he was a guilty man who was a poor actor portraying how he thought a bereft man should behave, or because he was a genuinely bereft man who was a poor actor portraying how he thought a bereft man should behave? These are not easy questions for juries to answer.
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:19am
      - peterwn
        
        Be careful here, the last sentence can be considered defamatory. Never say someone killed someone – say something like ‘he is accused of killing …’ or the case against him is considered extremely strong etc.
        
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        December 18, 2017 10:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      Notsofast Lundy like David Bain did get a fair second trial. Excellent trial lawyers on both sides and a most fair summing up by the trial judge.
      
      I think both judge and jury though would have ignored fanciful conspiracy theories of planted evidence by Lundy’s supporters .
      
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      December 18, 2017 9:26am
      - Notsofast
        
        Fair second trial? I have read the transcripts.
        Witness X was exposed as a lying flatter than a flatfish. Detective Olsen brought him to the party knowing X was lying. Is that fair?
        Letitia Sijens has been exposed by the finest scientist in the field, Steve Bustin, as a fraud. She added human to the CNS hoax, and Morgan said QED. False. Is that fair? Dr Sage from Palmerston North said Amber ate at midnight in testimony, yet her grandmother testifieed she was ALWAYS in bed and sleeping at 8pm. Was it fair to allow Sage to theorise like that so a wise doctor trumps a sensible grandma?
        The trial was a sham and has been well exposed in the appeal court. There are scores of falsehoods that prosecutor Morgan wittingly or unwittingly recited. Morgan knows, I can absolutely promise you. The good news is he will never be a judge after disgracing himself in Lundy. He knows that too.
        
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        December 18, 2017 10:37am
      - Nostradamus
        
        Notsofast will defame anyone – Crown prosecutors, judges and witnesses – in pursuit of his Lundy mission. Do it elsewhere – not on DPF’s blog where you expose him to legal risk
        
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        December 18, 2017 1:31pm
      - Notsofast
        
        I express what the press council regards as opinion. However my posts are riddled with facts. You are an apathetic slob. That is my opinion.
        
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        December 18, 2017 1:47pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Notsofast:
        
        I express what the press council regards as opinion
        
        My goodness, for someone who seems to take an interest in legal matters, you’ve completely missed the point. Defamation has noting to do with the Press Council – you’re answerable in a court of law.
        
        You are an apathetic slob. That is my opinion.
        
        I’ll keep my opinion of you (formed on the basis of your numerous Kiwiblog comments to date) to myself for now.
        
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        December 18, 2017 1:51pm
  - sooty
    
    For that proformance at the funeral, he should never be aloud out!
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:18am
- JibberJabber
  
  How many years did you do in jail, notsobright?
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:16am
  - Notsofast
    
    Teaching literacy is my closest planned encounter. These guys can’t read for pity’s sake.
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:19am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Are you saying that Lundy can’t read?
      
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      December 18, 2017 1:55pm
- Paulus
  
  Saw a programme on Scott Watson last evening – has some disappointing points raise and poo pooed by the Police (Inspector Pope).
  Sad that the Police appear to have told many very experienced boaties and one a boatbuilder that they never saw the vessel the Police may have wanted to talk to, along with the scruffy man in the Bar.
  This was not Watson’s boat Blade.
  This outstanding ketch was seen many times in the Sounds, then it disappeared.
  May have been seen later in Opua.
  Some of these mainly elderly very experienced boaties were very sad to be called effectively liars by the Police.
  I cannot fault the jury system but feel that this could be in the area of a stitch up.
  And nobody will listen to Watson.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:23am
  - Notsofast
    
    It seems that Andrew Little is reading his RPOM document. This would put him ahead of Judith Collins, who was proved to have not read Binnie’s report on Bain, and she also missed the crucially false ingredients in Kirsty MacDonald’s rejection of his previous RPOM, which consumed a lazy 4 years of her precious life. Jesus wept.
    Note: She rejected it on the basis Olivia Hope’s hairs were on the yacht Blade. They were not.
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:32am
  - sooty
    
    Gerald Pope is NZ’s worst policeman, after the ones that stitched up Arthur Alan Thomas. After watching tv last night, it raised some thoughts.
    Too many people saw the boat.
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:37am
    - RF
      
      Rob Pope has retired.
      
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      December 18, 2017 8:47am
      - Paulus
        
        Did I not hear that Pope has a senior job in the Public Service – A guess – Customs ?
        
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        December 18, 2017 10:20am
    - Soffet
      
      I wonder if there is a way to find such a ketch? After all, the people that saw it said it was quite distinctive with polished brass portholes and hemp rigging.
      
      Amazing that no one got a photo of it – even though it was pre-cellphone camera days.
      
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      December 18, 2017 9:01am
      - Notsofast
        
        I made these notes in 2015.
        “I have heard the same caller twice in two days giving testimony that he had a brand new video camera, and videoed everything, including Scott Watson’s boat, and two ketches, one of which matched the one described by Guy Wallace leaving the inlet at 6 am on new years day. He spent 3 and a half hours being grilled by the police. They kept his film, of which he had not made a copy, and said they would return it. He asked three times for it, they fobbed him off and he never saw it again.”
        
        I have seldom heard a more agitated caller, he said he had been waiting a long time for the opportunity to be heard. Make of it what you will.
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:23am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Probably at this remove, very hard to find the boat. As others have remarked, some evidence did exist but has apparently been destroyed – by the police.
        
        I have seen some comments on the internet of several options including one apparently owned in Wellington.
        
        But it does seem strange that not one but a number of people reported seeing such a vessel, and the water taxi driver is quite adamant about which boat he dropped the missing off at, and SW’s boat just doesn’t match the description at all. You would scramble across from the water taxi to the Blade, you would have to climb UP to the ketch – plus the distinctive markings (the stripe).
        
        It remains a question to me, why did the police not even ATTEMPT to find and if possible eliminate any Ketch from the enquiry. And why would they suppress evidence ?
        
        Finally, no jailhouse snitch should be believed, ever – last ditch attempt by a crooked prosecutor/police.
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:52am
      - Notsofast
        
        “The guy off the boat was not the owner. I remember asking him and he said he was just crewing”.
        
        Guy Wallace tells the police this two and a half days (63 hours to be exact) after delivering Ben and Olivia with “the guy off the boat” to the “thing that floats”.
        
        I am trying to reconcile Scott Watson claiming not to own his own boat in the circumstance where he is trying to impress the youngsters that he is kosher. Personally I can’t so here is a powerful datapoint in his favour.
        
        It seems Donald Anderson dropped John Mullens to his boat, returned to the wharf, and then delivered Scott to a boat that had a name like a weapon (blade). Just after Watson had been involved in a skirmish in the bar. Anderson returned, tied his boat up and boarded Foam for a coffee, from where he could watch those assembling for the fateful trip.
        
        Ian Wishart has another narrative, only one can be correct. Intriguing.
        
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        December 18, 2017 10:50am
      - RF
        
        Butter fingers.. I hit the bloody report button.
        
        Even if you do not believe Rob Popes version there were many other Police involved plus its standard practice for the file to be reviewed by a very senior officer.
        
        Tough call if you believe “all the Police involved” were mistaken or corrupt.
        
        Believe me there would be Police whistle blowers crawling out of the woodwork if anything was dodgy.
        
        Watson was and still is a real nasty bastard who is treated with extreme caution by corrections staff. Don’t be fooled by the suit and glasses.
        
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        December 18, 2017 11:05am
      - sooty
        
        After watching that program. I would say that it pays to not say a word to police and get yourself a lawyer.
        
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        December 18, 2017 11:33am
Huevon

At this very moment, Chile is going to the polls to elect a new president. Who cares? Well, for this political junkie, it is the most interesting election in the world right now. And, bringing it closer to home, when our own dear leader was at the Apec summit she remarked that the foreign leader she conversed with the most was Chilean president Michelle Bachelet. Which I thought was curious, because Ms Bachelet is about to lose power, with her political legacy in tatters. As an NZ citizen concerned with who Jacinda choses as her friends (and chronicler of things Hispanic), I thought I would give this more attention, so here are my thoughts…
The two candidates in the run-off election today (Sunday in Chile) are:

Sebastián Piñera (68): Piñera, a centre right politician, was president from 2010-2014. He is one of the richest men in the country, having made his fortune in credit cards and airlines. His family are blue blood criollo aristocrats, including ambassadors, bishops, and business leaders. His elder brother was a senior civilian minister in General Augusto Pinochet’s “regime” in the 1980s and architect of much of Chile’s economic reforms (which influenced the 4th Labour govt in NZ). Socially conservative, economically liberal, Catholic, but gaffe prone (like George W Bush), Piñera has been a big figure in the political scene for decades. His crowning achievement when he was last president was being the guy who first welcomed the 33 trapped miners as they emerged above ground after the dramatic rescue in 2010 (see the movie starring Antonio Banderas for more information).

Alejandro Guillier (64): In the left corner is former TV news journalist turned senator Guillier. He is a newcomer to the political scene but apparently has been a regular face in the press for many years (I say apparently because I never came across him when I was in Chile, not that that really means anything). Guillier is a social democrat, left-leaning moderate who is standing as an independent (more on this below).

La primera vuelta: The first round of voting took place on 19 November. The polls had pointed to Piñera as a possible outright winner (to avoid a run-off, he needed to get more than 50%), but his support dropped to the mid-40s before voting day. Guillier was well behind in second place.

The polls turned out to be hopelessly wrong. Piñera ended up with 36.6%, with Guillier on 22.7%. Guillier was followed very closely behind by the hard-left candidate Beatriz Sánchez, who got 20.27%. This is where things get interesting (and also where this story needs to get into of Chile’s horrendously factional political system).

Some background: Guillier is supported by a coalition called the “New Force of the Majority”, which until just before the election was called the “New Majority” (Nueva Mayoría), so I will keep calling it that. The New Majority, in one form or another, has governed Chile ever since the return to democracy in 1990 (apart from Piñera’s term in 2010-2014). In the broadest sense, the New Majority consists of the centre-left political parties that opposed General Pinochet. Middle-of-the-road social democrats and socialists, but also including socially conservative Christian democrats, this coalition retained many of the free market reforms introduced by military regime but with some tinkering around the edges. They also retained Pinochet’s pro-Catholic social policies (divorce was only legalised 10 or so years ago). This didn’t stop them presenting themselves as right-on bien pessant libs and left wing, even though they never really acted on that ideology in practice. Most of them did get rich though.

This changed with Michelle Bachelet’s election in 2014. Bachelet had previously been president from 2006-2010 (the first ever woman), but she didn’t really do anything, which was fine because that was the whole point of the New Majority. However, she returned in 2014 with a left-wing reform programme – legalising abortion (previously, it was illegal in all circumstances), pro- gay marriage, raising taxes, providing free university education, greater recognition to the victims of the military regime, etc. You can argue about whether her programme was good for the country or not, but her government has been a basket case. Her approval ratings are in the mid-20s, her family is embroiled in a corruption scandal and many of her policies have been watered down or rejected completely. The economy has had a down turn, although this may be attributed equally to falling mineral prices as well as Bachelet’s ham-fisted administration. Piñera has cruised along on this discontent hoping that it would return him to the presidency. His last term in government was relatively stable, with the economy doing well, so he has successfully presented himself as a safe pair of hands.

Judean People’s Front vs the People’s Front of Judea: The constitution bars presidents from having consecutive terms so the New Majority (re-styled as the “Force for the Majority”) brought in Guillier, an outsider untainted by connections to Bachelet (who is widely considered to be politically toxic). However, Guillier has been unable to consolidate support on the left, which is where Beatriz Sánchez comes in (she’s the woman who almost beat Guillier in the first round).

Sánchez was the candidate for the “Broad Front” (Frente Amplio), which is a new coalition of left wing parties. Much as the New Majority defined itself by its opposition to Pinochet and the political right wing, the Broad Front defines itself by its opposition to the New Majority, plus they despise Bachelet (and, by implication, Guillier). They see the New Majority as sell-outs, which is kinda true. It’s hard to put the Broad Front in one box: their leaders and candidates are mostly young (under 30), anti-establishment, but don’t really seem to have actual policies. They are like the Podemos movement in Spain, the Five Star movement in Italy, or Macron’s movement in France.

Who will win? Going into voting day today, the polls between Piñera and Guillier are neck and neck. In recent days, Piñera has pivoted to the right in some respects – his main opponent in the first round was José Antonio Kast, a hard-right senator who adores General Pinochet and is an extreme social conservative (he opposes contraception, and has nine kids to show for it). Kast got 8% of the vote, which may just be enough to put Piñera in power. However, Piñera has continued to fight for the centre ground too, by promising to expand Bachelet’s policy of free university education. This comes to what I dislike about Piñera – watching the debate between him and Guillier last week, Piñera has the schmuck of a used car salesman. He really will say anything to win.

Guillier has struggled because he contends with Piñera on the right and the Broad Front on the left. In the final week of the campaign, the leaders of the Broad Front changed tune bigtime and voiced support for Guillier. They see him as the lesser of two evils. If he can pull together the 20-odd percent that Sánchez won in the first round, he will become president.

Piñera may still just win it, but nothing is certain. Whoever wins will need to govern a country that has become increasingly politically polarised. Michelle Bachelet did not have the personal leadership skills to successfully implement her programme. The result was the disintegration of the centre-left coalition that had held power on and off for 25 years and a country whose citizens are at each other’s throats. Nice one.

TL;DR – close election in Chile today; right wing candidate may just win it; lessons for Jacinda.
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December 18, 2017 8:06am
- Dave Mann
  
  Dios, Huevon, that was great piece of writing. Your writing is really readable and informative, thank you. Are you a professional writer or something?
  
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  December 18, 2017 9:17am
  - Huevon
    
    Thanks Dave. No, I am very much a frustrated amateur. I would like to write more but it won’t pay the bills as well as my day job. Plus I don’t have the provocateur combative instinct to operate on the public with my right wing views. The cloak of anonymity remains for now.
    
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    December 18, 2017 9:28am
    - stephieboy
      
      Huevon, this makes interesting reading ,
      
      “..But Mr. Piñera has also hardened his line to cater to the far-right followers of Mr. Kast. He has vowed to halt the same-sex marriage bill Ms. Bachelet introduced, and wants to improve conditions for military officers imprisoned for crimes against humanity.”
      
      Obviously may help us understand where you’re coming from ,
      
      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/17/world/americas/chile-presidential-election.html
      
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      December 18, 2017 9:35am
      - Manolo
        
        @stephieboy: How do you reconcile your well-known Islamism with your being in favor of same-sex marriage?
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:40am
      - Huevon
        
        Piñera is appealing to Christian social conservatives for votes by opposing gay marriage. You know, like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton did when it suited them.
        
        I wouldn’t believe what you read in the English language press about Chile (or any of Latin America, for that matter). They always take a left wing slant. You need to follow the local press to get the full picture (which means you need to understand Spanish).
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:44am
      - stephieboy
        
        Huevon , spurious comments. Like we need to understand Russian or French to understand their ” local picture ” ?
        
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        December 18, 2017 10:00am
- Manolo
  
  Great article, Huevon.
  All I can say is I hope that for the betterment of the great people of your country Mr Piñera wins. Viva Chile!
  
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  December 18, 2017 9:36am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Manolo , you too and one who has a penchant for far right conspiracy theories and a continuing romance with Fox and Brietbart etc .
    
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    December 18, 2017 9:38am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Idiota!
      
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      December 18, 2017 11:16am
      - Gabby
        
        Doofiosa!
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:04pm
    - realityczech
      
      “continuing romance with Fox and Brietbart”
      
      This from stupidboy who quotes from discredited fake news propaganda outlets. Stupid does not have any actual considered opinions and simply repeats what he has read with no understanding to back it up.
      
      That is why his only debating tool is to attack the messenger and the source, never the topic.
      
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      December 18, 2017 12:31pm
- Huevon
  
  As at 7.30pm local time and with 80% of votes counted, Sebastián Piñera is the clear winner.
  
  http://www.emol.com/noticias/Nacional/2017/12/17/887710/En-tiempo-real-Conteo-y-resultados-de-la-segunda-vuelta-presidencial.html
  
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  December 18, 2017 11:37am
Paulus

It is disappointing to hear that until now nobody has done anything on Road Safety by putting rumble strips on rural roads. I do not know where the hundreds of millions in recent years has been spent if not in such areas?
She has not commented about SH2 in the Bay of Plenty which is probably the greatest disaster in terms of deaths – it is a death road through bad driving.
J A Genter is to congratulated now that her Government will spend over $20 million on this.
She has set a target of a reduction in road fatalities by doing this within six months.
She will be kept to that.
But how do you stop a young drugged/drunk you gang of hooligans car from going into a tree – it jumps the rumble strip doesn’t it ?
Surely money would be better spent in chopping down the trees at the side of rural roads first – eh!
Great PR but hope she is right.
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December 18, 2017 8:15am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Yet when planned re-development of the death trap that is SH1 north of Auckland was proposed, it was criticised by the then opposition who called it a “holiday highway”.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:29am
  - OTGO
    
    Correct Salacious. Drove from Auckland to Paihia this past weekend and that road is atrocious. The NZTA acknowledge that poor road design/condition by sticking up signs saying “High Crash Area” and lowering the speed limit to 80 kph.
    
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    December 18, 2017 10:54am
  - ztev
    
    Holiday Highway stops just after Warkworth.
    The dangerous part you speak of further north isnt being affected.
    
    The reason for a holiday highway is because the cost benefit ration didnt stack up as a normal road.
    
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    December 18, 2017 11:49am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Actually the whole road north of the Puhoi Tunnel is a travesty of road design and quality; not just the Silverdale to Warkworth segment.
      
      But if you are talking about lives lost and serious injury then what should a cost benefit ratio matter?
      
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      December 18, 2017 12:27pm
      - ztev
        
        Because lives lost is counted in cost benefit.
        Clearly you arent a roading engineer, so best stick to ‘I dont like slowing down’ as your reasons for your view.
        
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        December 18, 2017 2:14pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        How often have you driven that road in the last 12 months ztev?
        
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        December 18, 2017 3:08pm
- kevn
  
  Paulus… More cars on the road, lack of respect for other road users/police (note pursuits) just plain bad driving plus stoners and cell phone use.
  I think the road toll will stay much the same. Unfortunately.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:32am
  - cmm
    
    There has been a huge upswing in deaths of drivers without seatbelts on.
    
    Approx 90 out of last year’s road toll were not wearing seatbelts. If just 60 of those had worn seatbelts and lived, the picture would be very different.
    
    And no, the law is not the answer. The problem is SBW-thinking.
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:47am
    - sooty
      
      Should be a seperate recording system to cover no seatbelts and things like suicide by truck and bridge abutment.
      
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      December 18, 2017 11:36am
      - ztev
        
        They do count those things, although some accidents have multiple factors.
        
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        December 18, 2017 2:15pm
  - Happychappy
    
    You can’t be right Kevn as the coalition from hell have a solution to all problems and have had nine years to dream. Just keep on throwing billions at the problems as they say we have inherited and after a few years it will go away. But just the same as poverty it will raise its ugly head in another form of dream called Labour’s world.
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:48am
- VicParking
  
  Fix it By chopping down young drunk/drugged gangs of hooligans crushing their cars not the wind breaks on the side of the road.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:39am
  - ztev
    
    How many cars crushed ?
    less than 5 !
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98513231/just-three-cars-destroyed-under-crusher-collins-law
    
    So well put that down to virtue signalling shall we.
    
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    December 18, 2017 2:16pm
- cmm
  
  “But how do you stop a young drugged/drunk you gang of hooligans car from going into a tree – it jumps the rumble strip doesn’t it ?”
  
  THis might sound harsh, but if the young drugged/drunk hooligans are going to drive into trees then encourage them to do it in a way that does not harm others.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:44am
  - Paulus
    
    cmm
    But would be a failure of Genter’s dream.
    
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    December 18, 2017 10:23am
- RF
  
  We need a more high profile Highway Patrol in brightly coloured vehicles and greater numbers to remind everyone that they are out there. How many times have you driven 100s of ks and not seen a cop.
  
  You need the ripple effect of a stone landing in a pond. You tend to watch your driving habits for a while after seeing a cop. You need to regularily see another cop to remind you again.
  
  Tends to work in Aussie.
  
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  December 18, 2017 11:24am
  - kevn
    
    RF. If it tends to work in Aussie, this triad of liars and losers wouldn’t even look at it… They know best.
    
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    December 18, 2017 12:04pm
  - ztev
    
    Police budget cutbacks and reductions in staffing for rural areas.
    They didnt do a big cut at once, just every year the allocated staffing for ‘crime investigation’ and highway patrols ( except the worst spots) were cut back a bit more.
    
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    December 18, 2017 2:19pm
  - OTGO
    
    Well I did see two of the red highway patrol cars parked on the side of the road. One going up and one coming back. Both were parked about halfway along passing lanes.
    
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    December 18, 2017 2:42pm
- marcw
  
  Rumble strips on the left edge of the road cause more accidents than not having them. On the centre line – yes, they alert inattentive drivers to correct their path, but on the left they cause cars towing trailers, horse floats, caravans, and also motor-homes to drive near the centre line, not keeping as far as practical to the left. This then obscures following vehicles’ line of sight for safe overtaking and general distance traffic awareness – most of these types of vehicles prevent forward general vision through their rear window, also making high level brake lights redundant.
  
  Keep rumble strips in the centre, they are a hazard to safe driving on the left.
  
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  December 18, 2017 11:59am
Notsofast

It should be possible to have a counter for houses/bedrooms signed off in Auckland, and immigrants landing. It would be a good idea to build first before inviting the guests.
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December 18, 2017 8:22am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Ah mate, green tick. What a relief for most here – like breaking a dire eons long dry streak.
  
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  December 18, 2017 9:02am
Chuck Bird

This has happened in the UK but similar things have happened here. I bet the lying female will not be charged. When a similar happened here to a law student feminazis like MacClennan were making excuses for her.

The text message that cleared an innocent UK student of rape revealed

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11961605
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December 18, 2017 8:25am
- Notsofast
  
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  I am glad you posted this Chuck, note that the prosecutor saw he had a false case and withdrew. This is a lesson Ben Vanderkolk and Philip Morgan have not learned. Think Mark Lundy and Ewan MacDonald.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:27am
  - mandk
    
    The real points to note about this case are that a) the police had evidence which would have made it clear that there was no case to answer, but which they failed to pass on to the defence and prosecution, and b) the poor bloke was needlessly in torment for more than two years because of police incompetence.
    
    The question arises of whether the UK police are so intent on tackling what they see as rape culture that they are blinded to the obvious.
    
    And it’s not the first time this sort of thing has happened recently. Remember the poor bastard who was prosecuted for supposedly having sexually penetrated a woman in broad daylight at rush hour on Waterloo Station? There was even time lapse video showing he was carrying something in both hands when he passed the woman and could not have been in contact with the woman (if at all) for more than a fraction of a second.
    
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    December 18, 2017 9:19am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      The UK cops have form here. Look up the Guildford Four ( or watch the movie). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_Four_and_Maguire_Seven
      
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      December 18, 2017 10:07am
- Happychappy
  
  So if Andrew Little gets what he said when leader of Labour it will only make maters worse because under what he wants the law to be it is the accused that has to find proof that it was not rape or a sexual offence.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:37am
  - Notsofast
    
    This was of the woman scorned vibe. They can be lethal, ask Jeremy Bamber, 30 years and counting.
    Gable Tostee saved his ass by flicking on a voice recorder. Worth considering for rampant Adonises.
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:52am
Left Right and Centre

I hear that the ‘child poverty’ number is 210 000.

My goodness – that *is* a lot of children without electricity, good food or clean drinking water.
And that’s in NZ – we need answers and fast !!
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December 18, 2017 8:38am
- VicParking
  
  Especially as it has gone up from 120,000 in less than 100 days. Maybe Robbo just got the figures mixed up (120,000 to 210,000). He’s good at that.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:42am
  - cmm
    
    Robbo learned from the best:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO83b6wbKU4
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:50am
    - stephieboy
      
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      cmm, NCA still producing top notch graduates in all fields of study including Medicine , Engineering and Law etc .
      
      Incidentally “Cambridge” exam has nothing to do with the same famed University in the UK
      
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      December 18, 2017 9:06am
      - RalphT
        
        Incidentally Stephieboy the Cambridge exam has a lot to do with the famed university in the UK.
        The Cambridge exam used in many schools in NZ is run in NZ on behalf of Cambridge Assessment International Education which IS part of the University of Cambridge.
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:25am
      - stephieboy
        
        Ive checked and it seem you are correct . My sister in law a retired teach told me otherwise and the connection is actually rather tenuous .
        
        However the empirical evidence suggests that top NCA graduates do just as well in their chosen fields as top Cambridge ones .
        
        e.g ,
        
        http://www.mrgs.school.nz/uploaded/file/downloads/Auckland%20University%20Testimonial.pdf
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:51am
      - cmm
        
        eNCA.com is a news organisation, not a learning instuitute.
        
        It’s the stuff.co.nz of Southern Africa.
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:53am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s not difficult to check who runs/owns/issues the Cambridge International Exams.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Assessment_International_Education
        
        I presume when you write NCA you mean NCEA.
        
        Accuracy seems to elude you.
        
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        December 18, 2017 11:18am
  - KevOB
    
    It’s a typo. 12->21. Its suits PR.
    
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    December 18, 2017 9:06am
- Poppa
  
  Can someone tell me where they all live?
  
  I don’t know of any personally. It is of course a number which is dreamed up & manipulated by the left which I suspect could bite them shortly
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:45am
- Paulus
  
  Electricity supplies not working as youfs hit power poles escaping from the Police.
  
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  December 18, 2017 10:24am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Lol Left Right, and its an awful lot of kids with parents who get by on USD $3 per day. Even when we have a social welfare system that pays benefits of more than $20k per year.
  
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  December 18, 2017 12:09pm
- Digmen1
  
  Give their parents 6 months to get themselves out of poverty or sterilise both of them so we will have less in the future.
  
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  December 18, 2017 12:59pm
VicParking

Is it just me or has red radio increased the amount of maori spoken by our ‘Lord Haw Haw’s’. I refuse to call them Reporters and heaven forgive Journalists. It was just anouncing that they where ‘a Ho’ at the end of their report by now its a whole sentence. Even people are texting in about it but they just laugh it off
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December 18, 2017 8:52am
- stephieboy
  
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  VicParking, now why should anyone out there in mainstream New Zealand ( right or left ) ever take your blah, blah… seriously ?
  
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  December 18, 2017 9:02am
  - Victor Omega
    
    Projecting much.
    
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    December 18, 2017 9:16am
  - GazzaW
    
    So tell us stephie what exactly offends you about Vic’s post.
    
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    December 18, 2017 9:20am
    - stephieboy
      
      GazzaW , not offensive . Just plain nonsense eg the Lord Haw Haw bit .
      
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      December 18, 2017 10:06am
      - GazzaW
        
        Comparing Espinor to Lord Haw Haw is gilding the lily a tad but there’s no doubt at all that he is pushing a personal agenda using the Radio NZ charter. It’s condescending and disliked by a significant part of Radio NZ’s audience. Were Radio NZ a private station Espinor would have been told to pull his head in months ago or put down the road.
        
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        December 18, 2017 11:23am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Come on stiffie, write TE REO please- don’t disappoint us all.
    
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    December 18, 2017 10:39am
- KevOB
  
  Ho, Ho, Ho–and a happy Christmas to all.
  Ia manuia le Kirisimasi ma le tausanga fou.
  
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  December 18, 2017 9:08am
- GazzaW
  
  If Red Radio wants us to appreciate Maori then why don’t they use a word or a phrase a day (or a week) and provide us with the English translation. Espinor and his sidekicks could be talking Swahili or Urdu currently as it means absolutely nothing to me nor 97% of their listeners.
  
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  December 18, 2017 9:16am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Why don’t Red Radio
    ~~use a word or a phrase a day (or a week)~~ fuck off and stop preaching to their audience.
    
    There. fixed it for you.
    
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    December 18, 2017 9:28am
  - KevOB
    
    Most is trivia and adds nothing. English could be bastardised. maori has a proper place on the Marae not in other public broadcasting.
    
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    December 18, 2017 12:27pm
    - Digmen1
      
      Well said.
      Many other countries are encouraging the use of English because their own languages just do not have the words to communicate in todays modern world.
      
      And not just scientific or technological words but emotions and expressions.
      
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      December 18, 2017 1:02pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Maori content is now spreading to TV1 News with Te Karere and the maori radio news providers to be combined. Apparently forcing maori lessons on everyone through the airwaves takes precedence over what is happening around the world. ?
  
  Willy Jackson’s paw prints are all over this!
  John Tamahere said “It is time”.
  
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  December 18, 2017 10:04am
  - Harkman
    
    Does that mean that we have to put up with 14 year old Jack Tame 24/7?
    
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    December 18, 2017 10:12am
    - Harkman
      
      Katie-pie.
      
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      December 18, 2017 10:13am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Maori don’t want to learn it! There was a decrease in Maori able to hold a conversation from 25% in 2001 to 21% in 2011. This despite all the millions spent to promote its use. So now it seems it is over to the pakeha to save the language. All led by leftie pc white journalists.
    
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    December 18, 2017 10:45am
    - stephieboy
      
      Your source for that claim ?
      
      This University of Auckland Report 2016 of a record number of Maori and Pacifica Medical graduates suggests to the contrary ,
      
      https://www.auckland.ac.nz/en/about/news-events-and-notices/news/news-2016/11/record-number-of-new-mori-and-pacific-doctors-this-year.html
      
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      December 18, 2017 12:22pm
      - Digmen1
        
        Maybe that is the only course the could qualify for?
        
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        December 18, 2017 1:02pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        Do you really think a record number (46!)of Maori and PI medical graduates in Auckland in 2016 suggests that a decline in the percentage of Maori language speakers did not take place between 2001 and 2011? Good grief!
        
        News reports from several years ago reported a slight decline, though whether this was a decline in the number of young speakers acquiring competence, or the consequence of older mother tongue speakers dying, or even caused by an increase in the number of mixed race non-Maori speaking people identifying as Maori, I don’t know.
        
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        December 18, 2017 1:39pm
  - KevOB
    
    Perhaps we need to claim back our air time.
    The language adds nothing to regular broadcasting.
    
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    December 18, 2017 12:28pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Stop listening then Vic. Loosing listeners in droves is the only argument they will understand.
  
  Try another station that is more relaxing, better for your blood pressure. ?
  
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  December 18, 2017 10:07am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Try the rock. Absolute inane drivel aimed at the lowest common denominator… But the music is good…
    
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    December 18, 2017 11:47am
  - VicParking
    
    It does not raise my blood pressure. Like WO I partake to get amusement. One has to balance ones intake with all sides of the social and political spectrum.
    
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    December 18, 2017 3:27pm
- VicParking
  
  Sorry GazzaW I reported you by mistake. Ment to agree with you that to many on Radio are pushing their and managements own political and social views, 90% socialist. Thats the reason for the Lord Haw Haw comment.
  
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  December 18, 2017 3:24pm
flipper

The dissenting vote is a Stuff left wing ideologue with trade union affiliations. That another left wing ideologue, Watkin, voted against him is surprising. My opinion of Watkin has risen ….. well, temporarily.
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December 18, 2017 9:11am
Notsofast

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
My opening Lundy post has 8 upticks and 34 down, so will soon disappear, when it should in fact be read by all New Zealanders. I am thinking a ratio should be invoked by DPF. Any thoughts?
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December 18, 2017 9:25am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Everyone can still read it – it says ‘click here to see’.
  Duh !!
  
  Using plastic cutlery for safe eating are we ? (I just had to add it).
  
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  December 18, 2017 9:33am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I am thinking a ratio should be invoked by DPF. Any thoughts?
  
  You asked, so here’s mine. I’m thinking we have all heard your conspiracy theories so many times, we are heartily sick of them. There is a judicial process underway, so why don’t you maintain a dignified silence whilst the Court is making its informed decision, then we can all judge who was right and who was wrong.
  
  Me; I believe that Lundy is guilty, and is spending Christmas where he deserves to be. Rest peacefully Christine and Amber.
  
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  December 18, 2017 9:34am
- GazzaW
  
  You’re thinking that some sort of quota system should apply? This is an open forum. You might think that your post should be read by all New Zealanders but patently the vast majority of KBers disagree with you.
  
  Try opening up a Facebook page.
  
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  December 18, 2017 9:34am
- Swifty
  
  Start you own blog and see how you go……
  
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  December 18, 2017 9:40am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    It’s a good job the awesome power of the internet is at one’s disposal to tally up those endless page view stats.
    
    Dave Mann – yeah, some people. No means no . . *sheesh*
    
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    December 18, 2017 9:43am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed, and speaking as one who did this in my past blogging life, being a parasite on DPF’s blog is bad form.
    
    Hugh and Morrissey; this includes you 😀
    
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    December 18, 2017 9:44am
    - ztev
      
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      Arent you the witch burner pursuivant anyway.
      
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      December 18, 2017 9:55am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Am I? You’re telling the story ztev…
        
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        December 18, 2017 10:11am
      - ztev
        
        Run off and tell tales to teacher !
        You are still doing it.
        
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        December 18, 2017 11:43am
    - Lance
      
      Don’t forget ztev the village idiot
      
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      December 18, 2017 10:04am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Don’t be so hard on village idiots….
        
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        December 18, 2017 10:09am
      - Swifty
        
        While he can be a nasty cur at times, I personally wouldn’t lump ztev in with the single issue nutters like Pavletich and Penny etc.
        
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        December 18, 2017 10:17am
      - sooty
        
        Every village should have at least one. KB has more than its fair share!
        
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        December 18, 2017 11:46am
    - Notsofast
      
      I have seen your blog KS. DPF owns this blog and makes the rules. Have you considered respecting his right to let me use this board as a conduit for immutable truths about the Lundy case? You can email him any time and suggest I am removed.
      Fine, but I have made my point. Your suggestion to allow due process to unfold is disingenuous unless you would respect the right for the state to lock up your wife or progeny for 17 years for a crime perpetrated by others. Think carefully before replying.
      
      If you ever get the time study the appeal transcripts I plan to post after getting legal advice.
      Jonathan Eaton QC narrates proof Lundy is innocent. Winkelmann Cooper and Asher j’s are all ears. You should be too.
      
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      December 18, 2017 10:24am
      - marcw
        
        You name Winkelmann Cooper and Asher as though we should be impressed. These judges have their share of shameful decisions, so I wouldn’t be quoting anything they dispense as precise and just. Maybe legal, but there’s a big hole between the law and justice in this country.
        
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        December 18, 2017 12:15pm
      - Notsofast
        
        I know the material they had to prepare with, I know what they heard, what they said and the questions they asked.
        Nevertheless I would trust no New Zealand judge further than I could kick them. They are a tired bunch of ne’er do wells who value the comfort of clubs above their duty to the common citizenry.
        
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        December 18, 2017 12:55pm
      - fernglas
        
        Why do you need legal advice about posting the transcripts, if they are publicly available?
        
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        December 18, 2017 1:15pm
      - Notsofast
        
        They are not. The NZ herald were instructed to delete the recordings, however anyone with a device could record them for the record.
        And the record is a withering dissection of police lies and corruption. So I will post transcripts if allowed.
        
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        December 18, 2017 2:39pm
    - stephieboy
      
      KS , what about you and that stagnant blog of yours ?
      
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      December 18, 2017 12:26pm
      - Swifty
        
        What a dick.
        
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        December 18, 2017 5:49pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I gave up blogging three years ago Stephie, and have not been tempted back.
        
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        December 18, 2017 8:16pm
- Dave Mann
  
  My thoughts are that you are a single-issue fanatic who should get his own blog and stop pestering people here who are obviously not interested.
  
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  December 18, 2017 9:43am
  - Manolo
    
    Well said!
    
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    December 18, 2017 9:45am
  - Notsofast
    
    Dave Mann, change follows the rock being rolled off, and the sun shining in. I post here because there are so many avid readers to educate. Thank you for being one of them.
    
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    December 18, 2017 10:26am
- Peter
  
  when it should in fact be read by all New Zealanders
  
  It will likely be read by those interested, which, you might find, is a subset of the group you describe.
  
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  December 18, 2017 10:16am
  - Notsofast
    
    I just find the miscarriage of justice thing fascinating. It has happened to thousands over the years, not me I must say. But I have seen the social carnage close at hand. It can strike any time like a black swan, you should be prepared.
    For example, when Mark Lundy is released will you be completely unmoved by the crap he was put through??
    
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    December 18, 2017 10:30am
    - Happychappy
      
      Have you approached the Messiah Winston First yet or did he tell you to fuck off also.
      
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      December 18, 2017 11:40am
      - Notsofast
        
        Politicians who are not named Rodney Hide collude to stay on side with voters. Goff was an execrable sleazy bum for denying Ellis and Bain justice. Collins is beneath contempt and Adams was bare faced in saying the system works because Pora is at large.
        It is obvious to people of science and logic that judges and politicians are maliciously incompetent.
        
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        December 18, 2017 2:42pm
  - Sponge
    
    A very small subset!
    
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    December 18, 2017 10:56am
Manolo

Mueller, another corrupt crook working for the political elites:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/special-counsel-obtains-thousands-of-trump-transition-emails/ar-BBGP5Zo

Special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian contacts with President Donald Trump’s campaign has gained access to thousands of emails sent and received by Trump officials before the start of his administration, according to several people familiar with Trump’s transition organisation.
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December 18, 2017 10:16am
- Harkman
  
  Yes, they are going after what team Trump did during the transition phase, when he is supposed to be introducing himself and his future cabinet to foreign leaders and governments. I bet you the Obama Administration was far worse in late-2008.
  
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  December 18, 2017 10:23am
Harkman

So last night Love Actually was on (for the fortieth time) and something became obvious to me. I blame Hugh Grant for giving us Trudeau and Macron.
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December 18, 2017 10:17am
- MH
  
  YES, he could sure use an air hawk pro up his……………
  
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  December 18, 2017 11:01am
Manolo

The peccadilloes of Obama’s greatest fan and ultimate hack:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/16/nbc-made-payment-to-staffer-after-sexual-harassment-claim-against-chris-matthews/

An MSNBC spokesman confirmed Saturday the company made a separation-related payment to one of Chris Matthews employees after the woman complained about sexual harassment.
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December 18, 2017 10:36am
- Harkman
  
  Only the other day Matthews was attacking the GOP as defenders of sexual assault and paedophiles and that the only problem with Democrats was they were “too pure.” What a hack.
  
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  December 18, 2017 11:00am
  - ztev
    
    Only the other day ?
    
    Thats the trouble with being a dork and repeating talking points from Fox news
    he did say
    “The worst you can say about Democrats is they are too pure” on sexual misconduct. “And that’s a stupid thing to say.”
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/08/the-worst-you-can-say-about-democrats-is-they-are-too-pure-on-sexual-misconduct-says-chris-matthews/?utm_term=.ad6eb66be0dd
    
    And you are too stupid too
    
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    December 18, 2017 11:41am
    - Scott
      
      Fox news is the only news network that even tries to be objective. The rest of the mainstream media in America is invested in bashing Trump and making the world safe for liberal Democrats.
      For example Trump has defeated Isis. Not mentioned by the mainstream media but true nonetheless –
      http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/12/trump-wins-a-war-media-pretends-not-to-notice.php
      
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      December 18, 2017 12:33pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “Fox news is the only news network that even tries to be objective. ”
        
        Stupefying and unbelievable claim !
        
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        December 18, 2017 2:08pm
    - realityczech
      
      zit attacks Fox then quotes an insanely bias fake news network 🙂
      
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      December 18, 2017 12:34pm
      - ztev
        
        It was his full sentence, as quoted.
        
        Im only mentioning Fox because thats where he got the message about the first part of the sentence only.
        Fox news is on NZ Sky TV isnt it ? Dont think they run MSNBC, the liberal alternative.
        
        The real point is I skewed the fool for thinking he gets the full story from Fox.
        
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        December 18, 2017 2:24pm
      - realityczech
        
        zit so are you claiming the Washington Post gives the full unbiased story ? LOL 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2017 5:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I wonder if the US Centers for Disease Control got their idea about banning the word “vulnerable” from NZ.
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/10/new-govt-will-remove-vulnerable-from-ministry-for-vulnerable-children-s-name.html
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December 18, 2017 11:28am
- stephieboy
  
  You’re not suggesting there should be a Ministry of “vulnerable ” climate deniers ?
  
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  December 18, 2017 12:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Goodness stephieboy, you have written a correct statement.
    
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    December 18, 2017 12:39pm
    - tom hunter
      
      Hi Maggy
      You made a comment on GD last night to which I thought it was too late to reply, but given the general nature of it I thought I’d respond now.
      
      Is this some Leftie technique to try and smear every commenter here on KB?…. or has Morrissey spent his life with dissemblers and can’t fathom that not everybody lies.
      
      Morrissey has proudly said he is an Anarchist and this is the standard argumentative technique of the Far Left. There is no such thing as argument or debate, there are simply class enemies who must be smashed in any way possible.
      
      This is why you see his language always defaulting to such extremes: his opponents have to be reduced to being liars, evil, deficient in knowledge, IQ, morals, ethics and so on and so forth.
      
      By contrast he – and especially whatever “authority” he cites – are always presented in the most glowing terms possible, just like any Soviet functionary reporting to the boss. The source is supremely intelligent (even when it’s a US football Quarterback), highly informed, vastly respected (world-wide of course) and naturally has the highest possible set of ethics and morals.
      
      The fact that this boiler-plate approach is so old, so worn out, and induces laughter in the audience, matters not one whit to the Morrissey’s of the world. Like Hugh Pavlitch he’s hear to listen to own voice and if banned will simply flit gleefully to some other platform, satisifed that his banning was for speaking truth to power. 🙂
      
      It would be sad were it not so funny.
      
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      December 18, 2017 12:51pm
      - MH
        
        The controversy around Morrissey is not just due to pleurisy it’s fair to say, it’s plane old fashioned heresy.
        
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        December 18, 2017 1:41pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ tom hunter
        
        The source is supremely intelligent (even when it’s a US football Quarterback), highly informed, vastly respected (world-wide of course) and naturally has the highest possible set of ethics and morals.
        
        Yeah, but when necessity arises to denounce sources that were formerly favourable but are now to be classified as saboteurs, revisionists or class traitors it gets especially amusing. Ah, the radical left wing…eating its own young since 1789! 😉
        
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        December 18, 2017 1:47pm
      - Kimbo
        
        The source is supremely intelligent…highly informed, vastly respected…and naturally has the highest possible set of ethics and morals.
        
        Oh, yes, and you’ve nailed Morrissey’s emphatic adverb* addiction. Yes, I know I go on about it, but you make the point well that while one cannot polish a turd of an idea, nonetheless Morrissey works overtime rolling them in rhetorical glitter. 😉
        
        * Kimbo’s law: in blogworld the validity of an argument is inverse proportion to the use of emphatic adverbs.
        
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        December 18, 2017 2:04pm
      - tom hunter
        
        @ Kimbo
        Yes, I thought you especially would enjoy that. 🙂 But once again the sad/funny aspect is that while I’m having fun with such, Morrissey is entirely serious. I think his brain is so calcified with this “argumentative” method that he knows no other way. He could not write or talk without employing them, like some variation of Tourette’s syndrome.
        
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        December 18, 2017 2:26pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @tom hunter
        
        I made that comment last night because I had just been to the Standard to discover why Wayne Mapp had been banned (stood down for 1 month).
        It was hilarious.
        https://thestandard.org.nz/thank-you-golriz/#comment-1420071
        The moderator (LPrent) couldn’t point to anything that Mapp had written that contravened the Standard’s rules, so invented a reason that Mapp had deliberately avoided saying what he really meant to say…
        and was therefore a liar.
        
        Well, being a bear of little brain, I couldn’t get my head around Lprent’s logic; but I recognised the technique – label someone a liar – then you don’t have to address their argument.
        
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        December 18, 2017 3:19pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Morrissey has proudly said he is an Anarchist…
        
        No I have not said that, or written it. Neither proudly nor in any other way.
        
        ….his opponents have to be reduced to being liars, evil, deficient in knowledge, IQ, morals, ethics and so on and so forth.
        
        You might enjoy painting me as some kind of Vladimir Lenin, but I do NOT call all of my “opponents”—surely interlocutors is a better, less aggressive word—liars. I reserve that for people who have obviously told a lie. For instance, when someone claims to have read Noam Chomsky, then demonstrates that he obviously has not, that person is a liar. I would be outed in similar fashion if I were ever foolish enough to start commenting on some hot rod blog about how to modify engines.
        
        The source is supremely intelligent (even when it’s a US football Quarterback)…
        
        Not all football players are particularly intelligent. This guy is, though….
        
        https://media.gq.com/photos/5a03271f71c0c55a92ce86a9/master/w_800/Colin%20Kaepernick%20-%201217%20Cover3.jpg
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:05pm
    - Manolo
      
      Miraculous indeed!
      
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      December 18, 2017 12:52pm
    - RalphT
      
      Oh Maggy, surely you’re not going to let him get away with the space before the question mark? Just because it’s Stephie doesn’t mean you have to lower your excellent standards.
      
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      December 18, 2017 1:14pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @RalphT
        Just because it’s Stephie doesn’t mean you have to lower your excellent standards.
        
        Ahhhh!
        You’ve rumbled me!
        
        I think the finer points of print layout can wait until our subject has mastered the composition of an English sentence.
        
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        December 18, 2017 3:08pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Speaking of your higher standards, Maggy…
        
        Is my friend who seeks to disprove the earth’s curvature by means of observations of what should be below the visible horizon over clear water
        
        …on safe ground when he allows 20% for refraction to cover all likely variations?
        
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        December 18, 2017 3:14pm
      - RalphT
        
        “I think the finer points of print layout can wait until our subject has mastered the composition of an English sentence”
        
        Maggy, I’m already in my 60s; I don’t think I can wait that long.
        
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        December 18, 2017 3:25pm
      - MH
        
        minor infractions will not be tolerated. A prism sentence will be issued to enlighten disbelievers.
        
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        December 18, 2017 3:29pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @kimbo
        
        …on safe ground when he allows 20% for refraction to cover all likely variations?
        
        Jeez… I have one paper in Physics (46 years ago!).
        
        Don’t you wish Kea was still on KB? We could have asked her opinion.
        
        I note surveyors work with a refraction constant of 1/7 Earth’s curvature (= 14%?????)…. but presumably this fudge factor is only employed under “average” atmospheric conditions and short distances.
        (Any surveyors here on KB?)
        
        The whole point of being able to see well beyond the horizon is that atmospheric conditions are anything but average.
        Theoretically, you could get conditions where the horizon is at an infinite distance.
        http://aty.sdsu.edu/explain/atmos_refr/horizon.html
        
        Your mate should have a good read of Andrew Young’s website… He’s got a lot of historical reference material.
        
        Anyway, I’m undecided whether to take him to Cap’n Morgans (F&C on Wainui Beach)… or Lunch at Peppers (Midway Beach). We might/might not see Mahia Peninsula 40+km away, depending on weather.
        
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        December 18, 2017 5:59pm
  - realityczech
    
    stupidboy does morons a disservice.
    
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    December 18, 2017 12:41pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Why not? There’s no shortage of ‘vulnerable’ Cabinet Ministers to head it up.
    
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    December 18, 2017 12:46pm
    - MH
      
      Venerabble.
      
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      December 18, 2017 3:30pm
Manolo

Sebastian Pinera has won the presidential election defeating Guillier, the Left’s candidate. Well done Chile!
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December 18, 2017 12:47pm
- Huevon
  
  Yep. Now Michelle Bachelet will get packed off back to the UN (Jacinda will keep her as a WhatsApp friend when she is looking for a sweet gig in New York) and Chile can start rebuilding from her disastrous administration.
  
  The Left got really trounced in the election. It’s good for NZ too having a friend in LatAm that is committed to free trade and market economics. We should also be happy that power is changing peacefully – that is not the historical norm in Spanish America!
  
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  December 18, 2017 2:56pm
rightoverlabour

Seriously? Once the grass grows, the track will become invisible.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/99949048/iwi-will-seek-return-of-plaque-marking-its-blessing-of-craggy-range-winery

I would suspect that sufficient “koha” will make the problem disappear. Maori must remember that until they arrived and burnt the forests, destroyed the moa, and chopped huge chunks out of the mountains, New Zealand was quite pristine. Now, how about you direct your rage at the crime rate, failing education standards, and maybe the disturbing rates of infanticide that your people seem to have the highest statistics in.
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December 18, 2017 12:54pm
- Longknives
  
  Remember that angry ‘Taniwha’ can be appeased by the Pakeha Chequebook.
  *A remarkable beast the Ancient Taniwha..
  
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  December 18, 2017 2:53pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes Maori should be ashamed of their high rates of infanticide.
  Probably the highest in the world!
  
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  December 18, 2017 3:12pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Mana seems to be a very fragile thing tho` like the Taniwha can be assuaged with wads of folding cash.
  
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  December 18, 2017 3:37pm
- realityczech
  
  They should tell those Maori opportunists to get fucked and remove all reference to them from the area, then serve them trespass notices.
  
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  December 18, 2017 5:24pm
- realityczech
  
  Call Katrina Batten a hoe will be outraged on RNZ 🙂
  
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  December 18, 2017 6:01pm
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Hong Kong finance chief ‘to boost land supply’ in next budget | South China Morning Post

http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/politics/article/2124682/hong-kong-finance-chief-boost-land-supply-next-budget

Hong Kong’s finance chief has indicated that boosting land supply to ease the city’s housing problems will be a key part of his upcoming budget, through which he said he would strive to elevate “the people’s sense of being well-off”.

Paul Chan Mo-po said that while the issue of increasing land supply involved a lot of “controversies and misunderstandings” as well as “complicated interests”, the government was determined to tackle them head-on.

He urged people to give the government “full support” in order that land supply policies get the go-ahead smoothly. …

… Housing is one of the biggest long-term political and economic problems in Hong Kong, which has topped Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey’s list of the world’s most expensive cities for the past seven years. … read more via hyperlink above …

Hong Kong the world’s priciest home market for the seventh year … South China Morning Post

http://www.scmp.com/business/article/2064554/hong-kong-named-most-expensive-housing-market-world-seventh-straight-year

Access all Denographia Surveys via …
http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
2018 14th Edition release – Monday 22 January 2018

Access recent important posts …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/12/links-15-december-2017/#comment-3018480 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_15_december_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2100560
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December 18, 2017 12:57pm
- mandk
  
  What? Only five hyperlinks!
  
  I can do better easily:
  
  http://allrecipes.com/recipe/7177/bread-pudding-ii/
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trams_in_Baku
  https://www.smidgeup.com/midges/midge-facts/the-scottish-midge-lifecycle/
  http://www.visualcapitalist.com/copper-shape-chile-economic-story/
  https://www.top10homeremedies.com/home-remedies/home-remedies-for-bedwetting.html
  http://www.rugbyfootballhistory.com/china.html
  
  Enjoy!
  
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  December 18, 2017 3:53pm
  - Harkman
    
    Trams in Baku, classic link. 10/10
    
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    December 18, 2017 4:17pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      How will the housing boom in Australia end? | Your Mortgage Australia
      
      https://www.yourmortgage.com.au/mortgage-news/how-will-the-housing-boom-in-australia-end/244977/
      
      There is no stopping the imminent end of the housing boom in Australia, as house prices in two of the biggest markets started trending downwards.
      
      In a commentary on the Guardian, industry expert Greg Jericho said the question now is not how much lower prices can go but, how suddenly the boom will end. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      December 18, 2017 5:14pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Big is not beautiful for local government … and passenger aircraft too. The A380’s woes …
        
        Operating Costs Killing Jumbo Jets As Airlines Profit From Smaller Planes … Forbes
        
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelgoldstein/2017/10/05/operating-costs-killing-jumbo-jets-as-airlines-profit-from-smaller-planes/#1899418f336a
        
        … extract …
        
        … What is KO’ing the current kings of the sky isn’t mechanical issues or shifting passenger preferences (who wouldn’t prefer a giant comfy plane with a bar?) but that age-old culprit, the dismal science of economics.
        
        The A380 burns a lot of fuel considering its weight and four-engine configuration, but airlines are dropping the giant plane even in a time of low-fuel costs. In 2017, Singapore Airlines retired several of the craft. In 2016, Qantas canceled an order for eight, and even home team Air France dropped two planes from an order of 12. The A380 is essentially on deathwatch, with production set to drop to below one per month if new orders don’t arrive. Even the plane’s signature sweeping staircase may face the budget-cutters’ ax.
        
        Why are airlines dropping the A380 even when fuel is cheap? Operating costs. Estimates are that operating A380s costs between $26,000 and $29,000 per hour. By contrast, an average flight on an American Airlines 737-800, which can hold 160-175 passengers and has a range of about 2,900 miles, costs $2,180 per hour. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        December 18, 2017 8:33pm
All_on_Red

‘A well-known women’s rights lawyer sought to arrange compensation from donors and tabloid media outlets for women who made or considered making sexual misconduct allegations against Donald Trump during the final months of the 2016 presidential race, according to documents and interviews.

California lawyer Lisa Bloom’s efforts included offering to sell alleged victims’ stories to TV outlets in return for a commission for herself, arranging a donor to pay off one Trump accuser’s mortgage and attempting to secure a six-figure payment for another woman who ultimately declined to come forward after being offered as much as $750,000, the clients told The Hill.’

Lisa Bloom is the daughter of Gloria Allred, who managed the accusers of Roy Moore…
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December 18, 2017 1:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  All on Wed , some Christmas cheer for you ,
  
  ROGER STONE IS ALREADY WRITING THE STORY OF TRUMP’S DOWNFALL
  One of Trump’s closest allies believes the president could be removed from office by disloyal Cabinet members—and he’s writing a book about it.
  
  In the closing days of the Alabama Senate election, Steve Bannon told people that Donald Trump’s political survival depended on Trump supporting Roy Moore. Bannon’s argument, according to those who spoke with him, was that establishment Republicans and Democrats would use Moore’s defeat as a political weapon to force Trump to face the sexual harassment allegations that have dogged him since the 2016 election. Bannon called Alabama Trump’s “firebreak.”….”
  
  https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/roger-stone-book-fall-of-trump
  
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  December 18, 2017 2:13pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You must be pleased Moore didn’t win
    You’ll be able to join him at the Diner perving at the jailbait since he won’t be busy
    Eh Creepyboy
    You’ll enjoy that!!!
    Oh and Jones will lose Alabama in 2020
    
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    December 18, 2017 2:58pm
    - Digmen1
      
      And how many of white males never looked at a young girl when we were young (or even now!)
      
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      December 18, 2017 3:09pm
      - Inandout
        
        Under you have turned to the other side, I would say 98%.
        
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        December 18, 2017 5:50pm
Digmen1

Chile’s Presidential elections

https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-election-watershed-in-chile-1513553762

This article is very good.
Read Paragraphs 5 and 8 and 9.
They are very short and describe things perfectly.

And they have a great relevance to us here in NZ.

A few years ago Chile was the standout in South America!
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December 18, 2017 1:10pm
Surely Knott

Another bogus low -information press release posing as an article on the Herald. “Government to review ‘grossly substandard’ kauri dieback programme”
1. No author puts their name to this piece?
2. Is it another press release from the usual suspects?
3. Kauri “are dying from a soil-borne fungal disease ” Isnt’ it soil and waterborne. Eg it’s also spread by water.
4. Shane Jones says the programme was grossly substandard and the trees were dying from “factionalism” and “bureacratic pathogens”?! WTF? In what way? What a stupid statement. The factionalism seems to be coming from Jones himself.
5. What is it that Shane Jones plans to do differently? What specific criticism does he have of the last governments performance and what changes is he making? Is he spending more? On what? – Becuase quite a lot has been spent already. – Oh right. He’s got …….Another review! Perhaps wait till you are finished the review and actually have some objective criticism and firm ideas .
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December 18, 2017 1:14pm
- MH
  
  I just can’t stand looking at some Cowree trees.
  pass me a macron dear, no sugar thanks.
  Why do some macrons resort to stand over tactics, do they think they are better than a circumflex? Undermine a macron with a cedilla and its anarchy.
  
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  December 18, 2017 1:49pm
- insider
  
  Nope it’s soil based. That’s why it’s taken at least 50 years to have an impact on Auckland.
  
  Calling the programme substandard is rhetoric. he may have a point that there are some fact free operators freely offering advice that gets media attention and distracts work.
  
  Fact is, It’s only in the last few years it’s been confirmed what’s causing the issue and possible ways to manage it have been thought about – there is no cure known. So how, in the absence of science, could you have a plan to deal with a disease in slow growing trees? It’s not like you can run triple blind clinical studies with trees.
  
  My non scientific opinion is, accept the disease is going to kill a whole lot of trees, focus on building a stock of resistant trees and propagate them and replant. You aren’t going to be able to cleanse and sterilise the soil
  
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  December 18, 2017 2:43pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    From the latest Kauri Report in Auckland they reckon soil and water borne . “Kauri dieback disease is caused by a soil and water borne primary pathogen of New
    Zealand kauri (Agathis australis). ” From the Northland Regional Council: Kauri dieback disease produces millions of spores. Resting spores (oospores) can be found in soil around infected trees and can survive for at least three years, and possibly much longer. Waterborne spores (zoospores) are produced in wet conditions and can move through water films in soil, freshwater streams and ponds. – Phytophthora = “Plant Destroyer” (Greek)
    • A distinct taxa known as the ‘water moulds’ Which is why I reckon we are seeing it on the cold wet side of the hills and in the gullies.
    
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    December 18, 2017 3:10pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Blocking human access to the Waitaks is likely a waste of time as the disease is already there and being spread by birds and feral mammals.
      
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      December 18, 2017 3:34pm
      - sooty
        
        Just as well they still don’t travel everyhere by canoe.
        
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        December 18, 2017 3:54pm
      - sooty
        
        Don’t you go and blame the greens!
        
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        December 18, 2017 3:56pm
All_on_Red

Well, here it is. Evidence of Trump colluding with Putin.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DRRmBLWX0AAGRUI?format=jpg&name=large
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December 18, 2017 1:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  All on Wed , also here ,
  
  https://theintercept.com/2017/03/07/leading-putin-critic-warns-of-xenophobic-conspiracy-theories-drowning-u-s-discourse-and-helping-trump/
  
  Muddied by those Trumpists who live in Kremlin Conspiracy la al land !
  
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  December 18, 2017 2:23pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    What does the ‘Wed’ mean?
    You’re such a Mong
    Hey Congrats on winning #1 Pervert of the Year
    You must be so proud
    
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    December 18, 2017 2:54pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      All on Red:
      
      Hey Congrats on winning #1 Pervert of the Year
      
      Does that mean that Stephieboy has featured on Morrissey’s “gropers” list?
      
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      December 18, 2017 3:17pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie was the inaugural nominee inPERVWATCH a division of Groperwatch
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_13_december_2017.html#comment-2098683
        
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        December 18, 2017 3:28pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        If you’re the inaugural nominee, and the only nominee, then you’re a guaranteed winner! So what prize can Stephieboy expect to receive?
        
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        December 18, 2017 3:47pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He wants a new raincoat
        His current one is apparently well used.
        
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        December 18, 2017 4:02pm
Inandout

This must be on CNN somewhere, still searching.
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December 18, 2017 1:52pm
All_on_Red

‘One Lisa Bloom client who received financial help from Bloom was New York City makeup artist Jill Harth.
The former beauty contestant manager filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against Trump in 1997 and then withdrew it. The news media discovered the litigation during the election, and Harth’s name became public in the summer of 2016. She asked Bloom to represent her in the fall after hearing Trump describe her allegations against him as false, and became a vocal critic of Trump.’
‘Bloom arranged for a donor to make a contribution to help Harth pay off the mortgage on her Queens apartment in New York City. The amount was under $30,000, according to a source directly familiar with Harth’s situation. Public records show Harth’s mortgage was recorded as extinguished on Dec. 19, 2016.
Harth said the payments did not affect the merits of her allegations. ( edit-Yeah sure they didn’t ….)She alleges that during a January 1993 meeting at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate, the future president pushed her up against a wall and groped her.’

Well, that’s one way to get the mortgage repaid.
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December 18, 2017 3:23pm
MH

the withdrawal method is not always infallible.
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December 18, 2017 4:17pm
Brito

The PM (not mine by the way) and Ball-Less Shaw have made an announcement about climate change.
They, through their ideology, are going to wish away climate change.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11961862

Now it seems to me that they are missing the following concept in their lunacy. I’d dearly love to know how this will be accounted for and who is going to be taxed to pay for this obvious exclusion from their plan.

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2017/11/28/16712234/bali-volcano-eruption-agung-climate

Seems to me you can’t wish this stuff away and neither can you raise taxes to try ‘manage’ your way through this.

If ever there was a squirrel then surely this is it.
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December 18, 2017 4:23pm
- Digmen1
  
  President Trump signed it away.
  No Paris deal.
  Its easy.
  
  1 Prove that carbon is a problem
  2 Where is the global warming – its really just weather
  3 Where is the rising water?
  
  If you are serious about it the only way to reduce pollution etc is to cut back on the world population. 1 billion Chinese and Indians, 100 million Nigerians. 200 million Brazilians,. 200 million Indonesians etc etc all ridiculous.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:19pm
- Piniwi
  
  But Brito the real gem was from Shaw who said we will design the framework for New Zealand to transition to a sustainable economy,” he said. There will be consultations and naturally conversations about something we know actually happens naturally thanks to Mother Nature.
  This is going to cost us plenty.
  
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  December 19, 2017 1:25am
Surely Knott

Great to see the Auditor General whistle blowing on dodgy school spending, $7000 dollars spent on staff party, $250k spent by school for kids trip to Raro, and a wellbeing and revitalisation sabbatical grant! But would be good if he put the same scrutiny on our Councils and cco’s. Where is the same report on our council spending?. Actually my Council gives an annual grant to one of the schools name for dodgy spending.
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December 18, 2017 4:41pm
- Piniwi
  
  True SK but we see yet another new native gibberish word “Kura” entering into the narrative. Must be for amounts that are greater than those covered by “koha” or it might be the source. It seems to be multi facet word that includes Red Feathers as well as misappropriating funds to suit the users needs.
  
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  December 19, 2017 1:47am
GazzaW

The fucking rail union has just announced another strike in Auckland TOMORROW MORNING!! Just been advised on my Auckland Transport app.

Get your shit together Jacinda, take charge of the situation and tell these blackmailing bastards that 1970s tactics won’t work.
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December 18, 2017 5:04pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Jacinda Ardern shows every sign of being the real deal after first debate
  
  Questioned directly by moderator Mike Hosking (who was exacting on both, in his rat-a-tat, pop-economist kind-of way) whether New Zealand could be in for national strikes, Ardern had her most emphatic moment: “No. We. Will. Not.”
  
  I wonder if Jacinda will play the technicality card – strikes in Wellington and Auckland aren’t “nationwide” strikes.
  
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  December 18, 2017 5:11pm
  - itstricky
    
    You’re suggesting she’s already put through enough legislative change in two months to put us back to the 1970s? She does work fast & stealthly, I haven’t seen any substantial employment law changes
    
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    December 18, 2017 5:28pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      itstricky:
      
      Do you agree that there has been a discernible increase in strike activity since the change of government?
      
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      December 18, 2017 6:31pm
- softail 1450
  
  gazzaW interisland ferries next. ?
  
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  December 18, 2017 5:26pm
GazzaW

What this situation needs is leadership. Let’s face it Auckland Transport management is tits as well so between them and the unions the travelling public doesn’t stand a chance.

Can you imagine Key or English allowing the issue to get this far? A line needs to be drawn in the sand now.
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December 18, 2017 5:18pm
realityczech

I see Labour is laying the boot into the West Coasters big time by stopping all future coal and gold mining permits.

This is predicted to cost us all about 15 billion a year, but will hit the Coasters hardest.
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December 18, 2017 5:39pm
Morrissey

“What’s brought the PRINCE and the PRESIDENT together?”
Body counts? Obama wins that. Cocaine snorted, on the other hand….
Monday 18 December 2017, 5:31 p.m.

Teaser for tonight’s main news bulletin on TVNZ 1. Barack Obama and Prince “Shepherd Killer” Harry are seated at a table. Both of them are smiling. After three or four seconds, a beaming Thunderbird puppet appears on screen and enthuses…

SIMON DALLOW: What’s brought the PRINCE and the PRESIDENT together? See you soon at six!

Desperate for more Dallow?…

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-30112015/#comment-1102862

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16022016/#comment-1134340

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16112015/#comment-1096730

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-15102015/#comment-1083044
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December 18, 2017 5:51pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Look at me! Look at me!!
  
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  December 18, 2017 10:31pm
  - Morrissey
    
    No, my friend, the message here is: Look at our “news” and how substandard it is.
    
    Do I have an ego? Yes, of course. Am I proud of my writing ability? Yes, of course. You have a problem with that, clearly.
    
    https://www.albawaba.com/sites/default/files/im/Egypt_2017/we-need-to-talk-Egypt.jpg
    
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    December 19, 2017 9:11am
    - Kimbo
      
      No, my friend…Am I proud of my writing ability? Yes, of course. You have a problem with that, clearly.
      
      Report card, 1977, Waikakamukau Primary 1977: Morrissey’s language skills need work, in particular his over use of emphatic adverbs*. He resorts to them in an effort to hide the fact that he is not as clever as he thinks, and his ideas are not very good. Also, he resorts to over-familiar overtures such as addressing others as “my friend”, likely to compensate for the fact that he struggles to make any,
      
      * Kimbo’s law: in blogworld the validity of an argument is inverse proportion to the use of emphatic adverbs.
      
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      December 19, 2017 9:17am
realityczech

I read in the media how Trump has again show true statesmanship by providing information to Putin to help prevent a terrorist attack.

Under Obama Muslim terrorists were told they had a right to self determination in their efforts to create separatist Islamic states in the region. Many of the leaders in places like Chechnya became leaders in ISIS.

Obama’s ignorance and lack of character saw terrorism rocket while at the same time restarting the cold war. Trump deserves a peace prize for disarming this very dangerous situation.
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December 18, 2017 5:59pm
- Harkman
  
  On the return of the favour. Earlier, the Russians warned the Obama Administration about the Boston bombers, and that bright spark James Comey and his devious mates chose to ignore it.
  
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  December 18, 2017 7:29pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes but it is worse than that as the bombers came from a region the US supported when they terrorised Russia. There are numerous other similar examples including Obama fawning to the hideous Saudis.
    
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    December 18, 2017 7:33pm
- nasska
  
  Trump reminds me of a blunt doctor. He tells you that you need to lose 50Kg & stop smoking.
  
  You’re offended……you’re angry…..you come up with ten reasons while he’s crazy.
  
  And then you finally realise that he’s the only one who has told you the truth.
  
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  December 18, 2017 7:29pm
Johnboy

Oh dear. Another failed local government model.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/99969516/no-rain-til-boxing-day-nelson-water-restrictions-in-place-as-dry-spell-continues
Thank goodness it’s only a mickey mouse outfit.
I’m waiting for the collective Welly mob to tell us what a fuckin pack of useless failures they really are! 🙂
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December 18, 2017 6:04pm
- realityczech
  
  Article about Richmond with lots of photos of the Nelson dam… that supplies Nelson.
  
  Surprised they did not blame John Key selling water to the Chinese and the evil dairy farmers.
  
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  December 18, 2017 6:09pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I never thought of that rc. Here was me thinking it was all the wet wimmen that voted for another front bum that gushed all the water out! 🙂
    
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    December 18, 2017 6:13pm
    - stigie
      
      Yep, she’s as dry as a dead Dingo’s donger here in Nelson JB !~
      
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      December 18, 2017 6:19pm
      - realityczech
        
        Arden has had her agents cut the water for supporting Nick Smith yet again.
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:20pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I see you poor Nelson bastards have Redbacks lurking in the longdrops stigie. You must have had your arse bitten going by your previous comment cobber? 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:28pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Johnboy:
        
        You must have had your arse bitten
        
        The last time anyone asked Stigie about his arse was when he passed through Hagley Park – allegedly, if you believe Stigie, for some kind of research study!
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:33pm
      - nasska
        
        Objection!
        
        Stigie is a sensitive soul. Leave his arse out of it. 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:43pm
      - stigie
        
        You guys need to take a trip down to Hagley Park, especially the south west corner where all the arse is, Dad will show you about..?
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:46pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Procto’s quite good for soothing the poor sensitive piles nasska. A chap should never hold back if good sex causes a little pain! 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:46pm
      - nasska
        
        An aspirin & a dollop of mutton fat will see him right JB. 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:50pm
      - Johnboy
        
        That’s true nasska. The secret is to grind up the aspirins before mixing with the mutton fat. Its dreadful if you try and insert them whole! 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:54pm
      - stigie
        
        If ya all made your way down to Hagley you guys, you could try all that shit out till your hearts content !~
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:54pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        Aspirin and mutton fat might be a bit too conservative in Hagley Park circles? They go for something more adventurous so I believe?
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:57pm
      - stigie
        
        Have you been talking to Dad again Nostra..?
        
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        December 18, 2017 6:59pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        I may have Stigie – but, if so, I’m sworn to secrecy!
        
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        December 18, 2017 7:01pm
Johnboy

Anyone heard from dad4 recently? 🙂
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December 18, 2017 6:35pm
- stigie
  
  Dad’s a bit shy now after voting for his hero Winston..?
  
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  December 18, 2017 6:42pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Do you think dad and Milkey may have found true love and eloped? 🙂
    
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    December 18, 2017 7:11pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Johnboy:
      
      I’ll be upset if I’ve missed the Kiwiblog wedding of the year! Who wore the white dress?
      
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      December 18, 2017 7:19pm
      - stigie
        
        What do you get people like that for a wedding gift when they have everything i wonder..?
        
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        December 18, 2017 7:22pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Stephieboy of course as bridesmaid. Apparently he was the only virgin they could find on KB! 🙂
        
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        December 18, 2017 7:24pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        None of y’all nasty right wing bastards would get an invite to Hugh P’s anyway, the wedding was of course in his garden.
        Gabby was Barman so it was effectively a dry event for everyone else.
        Mossey cruised down from Whangamata to provide the beats, they were hopping Stardust J-A would DJ but she was busy doing fuck all.
        Robbo was there, he had offered to pay for the catering, cheeky cunt used my credit card tho.
        
        All in All a waste of good evening.
        
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        December 18, 2017 7:40pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        How come you get invited to these special Kiwiblog events, Awww C-mon?
        
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        December 18, 2017 7:45pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Awww C-mon is actually a 50 yr old bulldyke femnazi green supporter
        
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        December 18, 2017 8:12pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”Awww C-mon is actually a 50 yr old bulldyke femnazi green supporter”…..
        
        Have you thought about a career in politics?
        
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        December 18, 2017 8:22pm
      - stigie
        
        And i told Dad you were 120kg of pure muscle and built like a brick house Awww..?
        
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        December 18, 2017 8:22pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        120kg of pure muscle and built like a brick house
        
        What – you mean you forgot to tell Dad that Awww C-mon is hung like a horse?
        
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        December 18, 2017 8:48pm
      - stigie
        
        Not that sure Dad would confront Awww C-mon now after knowing that Nostra..?
        
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        December 18, 2017 8:56pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        None of the descriptions are mutually exclusive…
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:34pm
Viking2

Norway’s parliament has voted to decriminalise drug use.

Users caught with small amounts of drugs – from marijuana to heroin, and everything in between – won’t be arrested or charged, but instead be offered treatment.

The move was inspired by a recent trip to Portugal by a government health committee. Portugal decriminalised drugs in 2001, and has seen use plummet since then.

“[We will] stop punishing people who struggle, but instead give them help and treatment,” said Nicolas Wilkinson, health spokesman for the Socialist Left Party, one of the four parties that backed the change in policy.

“It has started a political process, [but] it’s just the starting point.”

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2017/12/norway-to-decriminalise-drugs.html

Lets hope Jacinda gets this done.
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December 18, 2017 7:42pm
- realityczech
  
  Yes lets hope she does. It might be the only thing she does get done of any use.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:14pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”It might be the only thing she does get done of any use.”…..
    
    I’ve been trying to think of some positive of having Labour & the Greens on the Treasury benches but this might be it.
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:26pm
- Digmen1
  
  Lets hope not.
  We have never had a real war on drugs.
  We have had Namby pamby sentences since the 70’s
  
  What we need is Duterte and his police force!
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:14pm
  - realityczech
    
    The law is not working and no the answer is not more law.
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:20pm
  - Viking2
    
    So murder is OK with you then? The world has been at war with itself for nearly a century and despite all the money spent legitimizing police forces they haven’t made a skeric of difference to the drug use but have managed to get a lot of people killed.
    
    Should we do the same for those that drink alcohol and produce alcohol? That is also a drug. worse than many others but no doubt you find alcohol socially acceptable. Which makes you a hypocrite.
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:20pm
Viking2

Tamati Coffey’s partner knocked out by ceiling fan while decorating Christmas tree.

Obviously trying to be the Fairy at the Top. 😆 😆

“This is what happens when you hang Christmas decorations on the high part of the Christmas tree and get knocked out by the ceiling fan and fall on ur [sic] elbow,” the caption read.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/12/tamati-coffey-s-partner-knocked-out-by-ceiling-fan-while-decorating-christmas-tree.html

you couldn’t make this shit up. 😆 😆
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December 18, 2017 8:11pm
- realityczech
  
  “The partner of Labour MP Tamati Coffey sustained an unfortunate injury while decorating for the holiday season.”
  
  Classic cover story for domestic violence.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:21pm
  - sooty
    
    Stupid boyfriend stuck body into ceiling fan decorating christmas tree. Fell off ladder and stuffed elbow.Haaaa, Haaaaaaa.
    
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    December 18, 2017 8:52pm
    - nasska
      
      Save your mirth. With a pack of ‘ealth & safety jerks in power by next Xmas you’ll need scaffolding to decorate the tree!
      
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      December 18, 2017 9:02pm
      - Viking2
        
        Big size fairy to stick on the top of the tree.
        
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        December 18, 2017 9:07pm
Digmen1

My daily Phrases

Not my PM.
Not my Co-Leader
Not my Queen Maker
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December 18, 2017 8:21pm
- Morrissey
  
  World not round.
  World not warming.
  Moon landing didn’t happen.
  Trump not president.
  
  https://i.imgflip.com/rjkyg.jpg
  
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  December 19, 2017 9:14am
Viking2

One way or another New Zealand looks to be making a move on medicinal cannabis.

Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has revealed the Government will introduce a Bill to Parliament on Tuesday around cannabis but is keeping quiet on its contents.

It’s expected that the legislation would make it easier for people with a terminal illness or debilitating condition to access medicinal cannabis.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/12/government-to-put-forward-medicinal-cannabis-bill.html

No doubt it will be a labour lite deal. No gumption to do the right thing.

“Members will have other options in that regard but what we are producing is a Bill that we know has the support of the House to get through,” she said.

Yep right again.
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December 18, 2017 8:53pm
- nasska
  
  At least something is happening V2 but I doubt that the gutless bastards have the stones to do what needs to be done.
  
  That is make drug use a medical issue rather than a crime.
  
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  December 18, 2017 8:59pm
Viking2

IN THE first days of the new colony, a gigantic, drunken orgy took place. It was 1788.

It was just over a year since a fleet of 11 ships known as the First Fleet set sail from Portsmouth, England. Led by Captain Arthur Phillip, the early settlers were all men. But that was about to change. The women were on their way.

On February 6, as the Charlotte pulled into shore and European women set foot on Australian land for the first time, emotions, among other things, began to stir.

It was a stormy night and with the convicts drunk on rum and glee, The Rocks was transformed into “a scene of debauchery” wrote one witness, surgeon Arthur Bowes Smith.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/lifestyle/the-sordid-sex-lives-of-early-european-settlers-in-australia/news-story/6c5e473e69497d992864be979ac96a69

Nothing much has changed then.
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December 18, 2017 9:06pm
nasska

Conservatism…….the skidmark on the underwear of life!
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