General Debate 16 December 2017

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oldpark

How appropiate. NZs farming community has selected the wee dictator Peters as their Agricultural Person of the year. They knew he was full of “Bullshit”.Peters “here is me, and who is like me” hasn’t seen the joke yet.
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December 16, 2017 8:03am
- kevn
  
  OP…. tell me it ain’t true, please.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:09am
- Inandout
  
  After listening to the socialist diatribe on ZB’s midday farming show I can understand this ‘award’. If this show is an indicator of the farming community then as a group they are doomed. The Greens will be rubbing their hands with glee.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:47am
  - RF
    
    The dwarf and Jamie McKay are mates. This is obvious when you listen to them on the air. Another mate is Damien O’Connor.
    
    I no longer listen to them.
    
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    December 16, 2017 10:40am
    - igm
      
      Don’t forget his grovelling to Crockery and any other scumbag socialist he can organise for his pathetic show. Like many others, we don’t listen any longer and don’t support any advertisers who support the little creep.
      
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      December 16, 2017 2:55pm
- backster
  
  Odd considering that together with Labour he will be responsible for the taxes that Cullen will impose on the Farmers and Peters plan to support Labour and the Greens in their imposition of a fart tax on livestock and have cycle tracks instead of road s to the Farm Gate.
  
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  December 16, 2017 10:25am
  - MH
    
    it is after all -the fiestive seizing.
    
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    December 16, 2017 4:43pm
ztev

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I see there was a bit of tiff in parliament yesterday
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December 16, 2017 8:03am
- ztev
  
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  Precious little Jamie Lee Ross was acting like a schoolkid and complaining about having to work a bit into lunchtime.
  
  Apparently it must be 1PM on the dot…
  Their real complaint was having to work up to the week before Xmas at all. Normally national would close up shop the first week or so into December.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:09am
  - Ambergris
    
    The issue wasn’t that the House went after 1PM. The issue was that Chair Adrian Rurawhe seems to have breached Standing Orders twice: 52(1) and 88(1). The House in committee should have risen at 12.55pm in the first and any member my raise a point of order, which then takes precedence, in the second.
    
    Is it okay just to ignore Standing Orders? Why bother having them in that case.
    
    Maybe it’s okay only if your team ignore them ztev?
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:27am
    - ztev
      
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      So some minor rule is ‘breached’ in order to carry on working slightly after 1PM ?
      
      As for trifling points of order ?
      The Speakers Rulings are here.
      ” Constantly raising trifling points of order is itself disorderly.
      1891, Vol. 72, p. 144. Steward.
      and .
      Once a point of order has been decided, comment on the action taken is not allowed.
      1905, Vol. 133, p. 222. Guinness.
      That ridiculous outburst by Ross.
      
      And for the lunch break, the following Speakers Ruling allows business to continue
      
      Once a vote is commenced, it has to be completed. (A member could not move
      a motion to set aside this rule where voting on a series of amendments was likely to extend into the lunch break. This could only be done by leave.)
      2000, Vol. 586, p. 4309. Roy (Chairperson).
      
      The rulings by Chair Rurawahe are quite in order.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:30am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        “The rulings by Chair Rurawahe are quite in order.”
        
        Of course they are ztrev, he’s on your team, where the rules are different.
        
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        December 16, 2017 9:55am
      - ztev
        
        I have linked to the Speakers rulings, none of which were labour, Roy was national. The others much older.
        So of course they are in order, and Im smarter than you lot.
        
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        December 16, 2017 10:23am
      - Ambergris
        
        Good try ztev. The vote had not started. The Chair has just started to put the motion to conclude the debate when JLR asked a point of order. The chair ignored him and continued to talk which is why JLR began to yell. A point of order should be heard right?
        
        So how can you say the chair had decided the point of order when he hadn’t heard it!
        
        JLR two points of order were:
        
        1) he had the right to make a point of order and be heard.
        2) it was after 1.00pm and the chair should have stopped for lunch at 12.55pm. Itself a Standing Order.
        
        if the Standing Order to stop at 12.55pm is a bad standing order or even a “minor rule” then best they change it, not ignore it.
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:36am
  - niggly
    
    Precious little Jamie Lee Ross was acting like a schoolkid and complaining about having to work a bit into lunchtime.
    
    What! Fancy a Labour led-Govt breaking rules that Unions would be aghast at!
    
    Good thing MP’s don’t have their own Unions – imagine the indignity the Labour led-Govt would have faced if National MP’s striked! 😉
    
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    December 16, 2017 11:26am
- Gabby
  
  Jamie Wee Woss should’ve been tossed.
  He’d have liked that.
  
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  December 16, 2017 10:03am
  - ztev
    
    He was quite emotional too about running into the lunch break…. strange.
    
    he is of course one of those national Mps who ‘never had a real job’. being elected to Manukau City council at 18 then Auckland City then parliament. His wife has a bad case of entitlements as well, who was elected and then quit at the first meeting- gee Survivor was never this petty
    
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    December 16, 2017 10:28am
    - niggly
      
      Oh so he followed a similar pathway that alot of Labour MP’s have done before him …. and now that’s not ok because he is a “rightie”?
      
      Breaking news, Ztev and Labour Comms to issue a press release at 12pm, I have a leaked copy and it simply states “But It’s Ok When The Left Do It”!
      
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      December 16, 2017 11:34am
tedbear

So, this Labour Winter Energy Policy.
Did you know the payment will run for just 13 weeks in the winter of 2018. So for singles with no dependents it’s $20.45 a week (advertised on the MSD website). Multiply that by 13 and you get $265.85. A long way short of the announced $450 a year.

Labour in it’s election campaign said “It’s time to ensure our families have warm, healthy housing to live in, especially in winter. Around 1,600 Kiwis die each year due to cold housing in winter. That’s four times the road toll. Thousands of Kiwis are admitted to hospital with respiratory illnesses brought on by living in houses that are too cold.”

So expect around 800 more to die next year due to cold housing in winter because this Labour government lied about their promise.

The full $450 promised doesn’t get paid out until 2019 and future years, over 22 weeks.
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December 16, 2017 8:04am
- hubbers
  
  Surely the smart thing would be to pay it directly to the energy companies to ensure help got to those who were not only financially poor bit also poor decision makers and blow the extra cash on alcohol etc.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:10am
  - Gabby
    
    The energy companies make some good decisions hubber bubber.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:20am
- artemisia
  
  The 2018 reduction of the winter energy payment was well hidden.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:10am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    ztev knows all about well hidden . . .
    Kb leading expert
    
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    December 16, 2017 6:45pm
- ztev
  
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  You are mistaken:
  “The payment would be $450 a year for a single person on a main benefit or superannuation, and $700 a year for a couple or a person with dependent children, paid in monthly payments from May to September.”
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11888608
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:15am
  - artemisia
    
    Good to know ztev. So the payment in 2018 will be in the order of $34 pw for singles. Not clear on the WINZ website.
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:23am
  - VicParking
    
    So you belive the failing newspaper over the MSD web site….
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:24am
  - Digmen1
    
    Can WINZ pay it direct to the airline companies so that rich people can get another holiday in Fiji?
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:25am
    - Inandout
      
      Laying on a Fiji beach while enjoying a free basket waving education. It doesn’t get much better under Labour.
      
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      December 16, 2017 8:30am
    - peterwn
      
      Not a bad idea. WINZ could negotiate with Air NZ to purchase airpoints at a 20% discount and credit these to beneficiaries’ frequent flyers accounts.
      
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      December 16, 2017 8:31am
  - VicParking
    
    “This will be paid from 1 July to 30 September 2018.” Which is 91 days or 13 weeks
    “From 2019, it will be paid from 1 May to 1 October.”
    https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/about-work-and-income/news/2017/families-package.html#null
    Labour and ztev are a pack of lying bastards.
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:53am
    - stephieboy
      
      Untrue . Both National and Labour both vied for rival family support packages both of which more or less mirrored each others.
      
      Fact !
      
      Which one did you vote for ?
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:00am
      - oldpark
        
        Can you confirm that your mate Mohammed married a nine year old child. Surely not. Thats called kiddy fiddling.
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:07am
- KevOB
  
  Parsimonious. There is no truth in them.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:15am
- Paulus
  
  Did you not expect a pack of lies from this mob ?
  Remember Robertson cannot count.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:17am
  - ztev
    
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    But Joyce can dig a hole !
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:29am
    - stigie
      
      Yes ztrev, that hole just might prove to be right, lets wait and see !~
      
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      December 16, 2017 8:37am
      - ztev
        
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        No its not.
        The method he used to calculate a $9.4 bill hole were incorrect ( he added a few other things to get $11.7 bill)
        
        ‘Over time’ we are all dead , so that doesnt prove anything.
        His method of working it out was WRONG, but he cant admit it and is now moving the goal posts
        
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        December 16, 2017 9:37am
    - GazzaW
      
      ……and of sufficiently wide circumference to well and truly accommodate Robbo.
      
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      December 16, 2017 8:44am
      - Inandout
        
        Robbo knows a fiscal hole when he sees one.
        
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        December 16, 2017 8:50am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Not as big as Robbo’s has to be to hide a $11 billion (and rising) deficit
      
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      December 16, 2017 8:47am
    - flipper
      
      A sink-hole that will swallow zetev mallard and his like….
      
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      December 16, 2017 11:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    Paulus , can you ?
    
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    December 16, 2017 10:00am
    - softail 1450
      
      stephieboy ,infantile post,is that the best you’ve got?
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:54am
    - Paulus
      
      Stephieboy
      I presume you are replying to Paulus “Gnome” – not me who is the original Paulus and often do not always agree with the Gnome variety.
      Have a Happy Christmas – there are two of us.
      
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      December 16, 2017 12:48pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        No, there is only one, and it is not you
        
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        December 16, 2017 1:12pm
- VicParking
  
  $20 a week is shit useless. I have a wood burner which means I must buy $500 of wood at the begining of winter. If you buy it in smaller lots its twice if not triple the price. I will be seeking an advance from MSD of the full $450 to be paid back at $20 per week….”good luck on that” I have been told.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Let’s not forget that the $45o winter heating allowance for pensioners is less than half what they were going to get from National’s promised boost to the super payments.
    Bastards, utter bastards, and the media continues to give them a free ride.
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:45am
    - kevn
      
      Captain… Not many pensioners in the media so don’t care. Although they may have elderly parents?
      
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      December 16, 2017 8:49am
      - Paulus
        
        I am assured that it was the elderly who voted for the Drunken Dwarf – so up theirs.
        
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        December 16, 2017 12:50pm
  - KevOB
    
    There was no hint that the full payment was not to be made from next May. Weekly instalments don’t fit their two-weekly WFF payment scheme either. What are they up to? I suspect the lump sum payment originated as Winston extension to the the Gold Card and is being refined.
    
    Having cancelled my expected super increase for some rich family’s kid at uni I am rightly annoyed.
    
    The abatement provisions are out of hand too as well as WINZ’s enthusiasm to stretch their reach. The legality is doubtful but the appeal nuisance is close to endurance boundaries. Meanwhile I am paying over 100c /$1 on some income.
    
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    December 16, 2017 10:47am
- flipper
  
  The Poofie Grinch is all smoke and mirrors on top of the loaded shell game that it is playing.
  1. The tax cut would have increased all superans payments because the NET average wage (para) is used to set super levels, and
  2. The tax paid on the super after April 1 would have been less.
  Now, on top of that socialist theft, the perfidious Peters-Ardern Regime will tax the winter sugar pill payment, thus further reducing benefits to superans. So, there goes the “benefit” in a poof !
  It shows how desperate lying Peters was to secure power.
  He will regret that.
  
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  December 16, 2017 10:23am
- cmm
  
  Next problem…
  
  More power consumption by oldies.
  More electric cars
  Hydro power is maxed out.
  Solar panels don’t work in winter.
  
  Need to build some coal or nuclear plants.
  
  Sweet!
  
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  December 16, 2017 3:34pm
kevn

Ted… Did their mouths move? Yep
The triad of losers and liars perform up/down to expectation.
Pensioners who voted NZF… suck it up mates.
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December 16, 2017 8:07am
KiWombat

I noticed Trev had the baby on his knee again in the house yesterday. Once made the point, but I think the point has now been made, and it’s time to start looking as though you take the job seriously Trev!
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December 16, 2017 8:08am
- JibberJabber
  
  To be fair, the place is a creche for “adults”.
  And Trev needs all the advice on herding the infants that he can get.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:15am
- Gabby
  
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  Like Ponyboy with the wee girl you mean keywomble? Get the photo op then it’s back to bidniss.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:26am
  - JibberJabber
    
    The loons on weekend release and has already forgotten its meds.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:44am
    - GazzaW
      
      Back from the bin Gobby? We’ve missed your inane one liners.
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:00am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Hey – at least you get a whole line here – unlike the poor sheep who can’t even get one ‘oh baby’ before it’s over.
        
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        December 16, 2017 6:55pm
- flipper
  
  Mallard does NOT deserve the respect customarily accorded to a Speaker. Quite apart from his supercilious smirk, the baby nonsense has gone too far, and is long past a rebuke.
  Stop it you dummy. You talk about standards in the House and then allow that sort of garbage from your own MPs. If an MP wants to a mother, Fine. If she wants to be a Mother and an MP, make permanent fulltime child care arrangements. She is paid to be a full time MP
  Ranking of speakers:
  Peter Tapsell A+
  Carter A
  Bunter wine and Cheese Hunt B
  All others in memory B+ to A-
  WALL C-
  WILSON D-
  MALLARD Z-
  
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  December 16, 2017 11:16am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Lockwood Smith – A ++
    
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    December 16, 2017 11:33am
    - flipper
      
      Keeping… oops, sorry hit report button in error.
      Yes agree on Lockwood. Not bad for an animal biologist (?).
      
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      December 16, 2017 11:40am
Than

After spending months attacking the cost of the flag referenda, NZ First have now demanded that the government waste money on a referendum on the End of Life Bill? What utter hypocrites.

The cost of either referendum is trivial in the scheme of things. But at least the flag referendum served a valuable purpose, putting a question of national identity to the public. This referendum will be nothing but an arse-covering exercise for NZ First MPs. It is simply a means for them to vote for the bill while washing their hands of responsibility, an excuse to use when they face constituents who are opposed.

It may not be that much money on a government scale, but I can still think of far better things to spend a few million dollars on than covering for MPs being moral cowards and avoiding accountability.
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December 16, 2017 8:09am
- ztev
  
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  ” But at least the flag referendum served a valuable purpose, putting a ~~question of national identity to the public~~ serving the ego of one person”
  There I fixed that for you.
  
  The End of Life referendum would be held at the general election time. So would only be cost of an additional ballot paper
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:17am
  - Than
    
    Oh, bullshit.
    
    The flag referendum was never about John Key, much as KDS sufferers keep trying to frame it that way. The flag question was around for long before Key became PM, and it will remain around for the forseeable future.
    
    The flag referendum was an opportunity to have a good national discussion on the issue. Even though the final vote failed it still produced some useful outcomes; some flag options for when the question gets raised again (as it inevitably will), and experience with what parts of the process worked and what didn’t. It could have produced even more if it hadn’t been sabotaged by the left acting like petulant, whinging children.
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:29am
    - Inandout
      
      The Left certainly killed JK’s referendum, going against their normal republican mindset. My personal choice was status quo.
      
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      December 16, 2017 8:34am
      - Than
        
        Inandout, I have no problem with people voting for the status quo if that’s genuinely what they want. I disagree and want a change of flag, but that’s the whole purpose of a referendum.
        
        My problem with the left’s behaviour on the flag referendum is that it wasn’t their genuine option – most of them do want a change of flag. But they just couldn’t stand the idea of Key being the one to make it happen, so they tried to hijacked the whole process and turn it into a referendum on him. They failed of course. Outside of the left-wing blogosphere nobody associated the referendum with Key personally.
        
        I will admit this is a sore point for me. I want a change of flag, and I am a fan of the blue/black Lockwood design. To have that opportunity wasted because the left decided to act like immature fucktards pisses me off no end.
        
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        December 16, 2017 9:33am
      - stephieboy
        
        Inandout , how can we be so perfect like you ? I voted for change so does that make me a Repblican Marxist like John Key ?
        
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        December 16, 2017 10:05am
    - ztev
      
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      It certainly was about Key.
      It wasnt put to Cabinet before he announced it, there was no push from the public at large for a change.
      The method of doing the change was all Keys idea- thats the real reason it failed.
      Keys idea. Keys method of choosing ( 3 flags much the same) and the final choice was a flag design that he liked.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:41am
      - Than
        
        Again, utter bullshit.
        
        The flag question had been around for a long time before Key raised it. Sure there was no particular push for change… but after it was announced nobody (outside of KDS sufferers) disputed that it was a worthwhile thing to discuss. Just because Key was the one to raise the question doesn’t mean the question becomes about him.
        
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        December 16, 2017 9:54am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        So why did Labour campaign in 2014 about having a referendum if there was “no push from the public at large” ztev? And you know that’s what was in their manifesto.
        
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        December 16, 2017 12:11pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Correct Than. Labour’s policy at the 2014 election was to have a referendum on the question of a new flag. Their opposition to the referendum was nothing more than political grandstanding.
      
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      December 16, 2017 12:10pm
      - Swifty
        
        Two-faced political grandstanding.
        
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        December 16, 2017 12:22pm
    - lifesgood
      
      Just recently I was asked by some really puzzled Australians why the vote went against the flag change in view of the fact that it is always mistaken for the Aussie flag. I shrugged my shoulders and said NZers are more stupid than even Australians realise.
      
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      December 16, 2017 3:13pm
  - mandk
    
    Thanks for giving me a mention, ztev.
    
    No wait, there were 921,874 others who voted for a flag change.
    
    That’s almost as many as the number who voted Labour in the recent election.
    
    And it’s about five times as many as those who voted for the bloke who decided who was going to be PM.
    
    There, fixed it for you, numpty.
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:48am
    - ztev
      
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      If it was up to Winston, he would be PM !
      hahahaha.
      
      Ask Angela Merkel how its going with the largest party choosing the partners for government.
      
      The reality is national has NO COALITION partners, just like Merkel.
      You havent accepted that reality have you.
      We would be in the same situation as Germany, going into Xmas without a new government if we waited for the largest party to organise it .
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:46am
      - flipper
        
        Yes, let us ask and follow the Merkel example.
        English would have been able to call another election for early next year and there would have been
        * No Mickey Mouse regime in “office”.
        * No theft from Superans and low income workers
        * No more climate bullshit from the Redmelons
        * No interference by the Poofie Grinch in much admired monetary and economic policies
        * No embarrassing Peters -Ardern gaffes on the international platforms
        S T F U dickhead….
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:30am
    - stephieboy
      
      manic , pointless post . How many voted for Trump vs Clinton ?
      
      There fixed for yerr.. !
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:07am
      - mandk
        
        What have Trump and Clinton got to do with it?
        
        I was merely stating facts in repsonse to a daft comment from ztev.
        
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        December 16, 2017 12:18pm
      - Victor Omega
        
        In order for the US elections to be analogous in this context (setting aside the EC) Gary Johnson would have selected Trump to be president, appointed himself Vice President and given Jill Stein a nice job in the Whitehouse (despite refusing to talk to her or even be in the same room).
        
        Gary would then promise to release a 33 page document of precision on various areas of policy commitment and development, so that voters had transparency about what concessions he and Trump had agreed to. HAHAHA … you know the rest of the story.
        
        That scenario would have gone down like a cup of cold sick.
        
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        December 16, 2017 12:38pm
      - sooty
        
        How many voted twice and who?
        
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        December 16, 2017 1:58pm
Sofia

Metiria
On 26 July 2017, Turei announced that she would be meeting with the Ministry of Social Development’s Investigative Unit to calculate how much she would pay back in compensation.

The Investigative Unit have now had over four months to investigate this issue.

It is surely time that the public are told it Metiria Turei is still being investigated, or if a determination has been made in her case, and if so: what that is.

Since she herself, while holding a Parliamentary seat, confessed to a crime, I believe the public is entitled to know the extent of that crime, if just in respect as to how criminal one’s conduct may be without being rejected from Parliament for it.
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December 16, 2017 8:11am
- ztev
  
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  Barclay admitted to English he committed a crime- nothing happened either
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:31am
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    Except he wasn’t guilty of fraud and theft like your favorite Greeny.
    Barclays was an employment issue that had fuck all to do with the police and more to do with snotty political hacks.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:21am
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      Its two crimes listed in the Crimes act, Idiot
      Making unauthorised recordings and disclosing the contents of unauthorised recordings.
      
      Doesnt matter if you record the neighbour, your wife or an employee.
      Strictly speaking Parliamentary Services is the employer, not the MP. They also rent the office.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:50am
KiWombat

THE PARROT
During a lull at an official dinner, Cindy leaned over to James and said “I bought Winnie a parrot for his birthday.” That parrot is so smart he has already taught it to say more than 200 words.”
“Very impressive” relied James, “but do you realise that he only repeats the words and has no idea what they mean?”
“Oh I know” replied Cindy, “but then neither does the parrot!”
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December 16, 2017 8:12am
oldpark

Now the ultimate betrayal .There was Peters and his gang of no hopers and bloodsuckers,yesterday voting against the legislated tax cuts and super increases for their once loyal over 65s Gold Card Supporters. A complete gouge of what was rightfully agreed on by National and Peters Party earlier in the year.
To make it more sick and an abomination. The same rats in the Peters gang voted against it.
What a sad indictment of a pathetic wee dictator.Even Judas Iscariot had some form of integrity.
Only difference Judas got 30 pieces of Silver for his betrayal. Peters got Circa $500,000 Dollars.
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December 16, 2017 8:12am
- Paulus
  
  We will remember them come the next election.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:19am
  - KiWombat
    
    “We will remember them”
    – Has a nice ring to it !
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:03am
- kevn
  
  OP… Most of NZers find peters an obnoxious person.
  Pensioners who voted NZF made up the bulk of his support. You got sucked in mates.
  Triad of losers and liars. Short lived crew.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:25am
  - KiWombat
    
    My Aunt was an NZF supporter. No amount of logic would make her see any sense. She was declared “non-compus mentis” and removed from the electoral roll. Sad, but true !
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:07am
- Inandout
  
  There used to be a saying along the lines of ‘if you make a Maori a foreman he will be tougher on his own kind’. Winston appears to shaft his ‘own kind’.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:40am
- flipper
  
  Inflation?
  
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  December 16, 2017 11:33am
EAD_TWO

The wife of Hall of Fame hockey player Luc Robitaille has tweeted about an encounter with Donald Trump more than two decades ago in an elevator at Madison Square Garden.

Stacia Robitaille wrote Monday on Twitter that Trump “was aggressive & told me I was coming home with him. I laughed, stating I was married to a Ranger. He guaranteed me my husband didn’t make as much money as him.

http://time.com/5063222/stacia-robitaille-donald-trump-harassment/

Why is this even news? All Trump is guilty of is using a bad pick up line. My 18 year old self would be in a lot of trouble these days with my – “You, me, bottle of wine back at my place”

If using a bad pickup line counts as sexual harassment, then 90% of men are guilty.

This #metoo campaign and the faux hysteria it is creating is becoming increasingly sinister. Just look where it’s leading to:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5181277/amp/Judge-slams-police-rape-trial-student.html
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December 16, 2017 8:13am
- JibberJabber
  
  So, how was the offer of a 1/2 g of Sherry, did it pull the birds?
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:18am
  - Brito
    
    Bird’s…that’s a big assumption!
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:26am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    errrr no.
    
    It took a good 2 years of wasted youth realising “lines” were as useless as fart in a spacesuit
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:28am
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      Coke ‘lines’?
      
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      December 16, 2017 8:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

Very good programme on RNZ -Country Life about the Rangitaiki River floods earlier this year.

Climate change be damned!

There’s a dam problem alright and climate change has been a very convenient excuse used by folks too damn lazy to see where the real problem lies.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/countrylife/audio/2018626574/inundated-and-indisposed-a-story-of-flood-recovery-part-two
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December 16, 2017 8:20am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  About a year before Edgecombe got flooded a group of truck drivers and road workers warned the local district council that the stopbanks were very frail, and likely to burst at any time. None of those fellows had a degree in hydrology or engineering, so their comments were treated like used toilet tissue; they were flushed away. There is actually a awful amount of common sense spoken by some uneducated New Zealanders and those with university degrees would do well to listen to them.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:48am
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    They did that ? or did you think they said that .
    Hindsight means every one is wise after the event.
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:55am
    - Viking2
      
      That point in Edgecumbe was a known weak spot. Had been known since the last big flood.
      So much so that they belatedly decided to monitor it, but ooops too late move before the water washed them away.
      
      Visit the locals and ask them instead of sitting at your desk.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:26am
  - flipper
    
    How many Labour/Redmelon/lying Peters hacks in Ministerial (etc.) posts have had real work experience ??????????
    
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    December 16, 2017 11:46am
Digmen1

Yes I’m sick of hearing the words climate change everytime there is an article about weather anywhere in the world!
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December 16, 2017 8:24am
Keeping Stock

An outstanding speech yesterday from Rt Hon David Carter:

https://www.facebook.com/NZNATS/videos/2030314220317496/

Carter will be $35,000-plus better off over the next few years as his three children go to university. He will also be eligible for the Winter bonus. He freely acknowledged that he needed none of this largesse, courtesy of hard-working taxpayers, but that Labour has shown him good favour nonetheless.

The universality of Labour’s policies is absurd. By all means help those for whom cost is a barrier get tertiary training, but Labour is simply being irresponsible with MY taxes.
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December 16, 2017 8:24am
- ztev
  
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  ” He freely acknowledged that he needed none of this largesse, courtesy of hard-working taxpayers, but that Labour has shown him good favour nonetheless.”
  
  You mean he would not have taken any of nationals goodies for those on super ?
  “National’s Family Incomes Package means 750,000 superannuitants will receive a further increase on 1 April on top of their normal annual increase, with the couple rate going up by a further $680.
  https://www.national.org.nz/_680_lift_in_superannuation_on_1_april_2018
  
  So its not bad when national promised extra for those on Super ?
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:42am
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    The difference being that 1.7 million low and middle income workers would have received a reduction in their taxes and not just superannuitants.
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:52am
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      So Carter was just bullshitting then, he was going to win under both parties super changes ?
      And as one of NZs 0.1% richest people, he would benefit massively from the tax cuts.
      How Much Mr Carter ?
      Would be an extra $200k per year from the disappeared tax cuts?
      As hes just eligible for the pension this year, he would ‘massively benefit’ no matter who the government was .
      
      18 years in parliament, thats another pension on top of being one of Canterburys richest men.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:04am
      - VicParking
        
        When you are paying $50,000 in tax $1000 is fuck all. When you are paying $5000 in tax $1000 is a windfall.
        
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        December 16, 2017 9:41am
      - KiWombat
        
        Ooooh – you must be getting red in the face with all that envy showing through !
        
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        December 16, 2017 10:33am
      - ztev
        
        $5000 tax is around $35,000 income.
        Nationals tax cuts for those between $22k and $48k were $10.70 per week
        
        Where do you get $1000 from ?
        
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        December 16, 2017 10:43am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Would be an extra $200k per year from the disappeared tax cuts?
        
        Oh what a crock of shit ztev. As you well know, National’s tax cuts were capped at $1060 per annum, regardless of whether you were earning around about the media salary, or an MP’s salary. The big difference is that for someone on $60k per annum, the percentage cut would be far higher than for someone on $200k or above.
        
        Labour of course repeats the lie that it was “tax cuts for the top 10%” when more than 1.2 million New Zealanders would have received exactly the same amount in dollar terms. Is it any wonder no one trusts the Labour Party and its hangers-on?
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:38am
- Gabby
  
  Carseole wouldn’t take money he didn’t need now would he.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:36am
kevn

KS… Yes, their fiscal broad brush approach is just a lazy option.
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December 16, 2017 8:27am
- Digmen1
  
  Not only is it lazy.
  But it can’t work.
  You either give everyone less.
  Or you put up taxes to give everyone more.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:33am
ztev

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I see two of Trumps nominees to be Federal District Court nominees are so grossly unqualified, even the Republican senate committee chair is saying ‘They wont be confirmed.’
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/two-controversial-federal-judge-nominees-will-not-be-confirmed-senate-republican-says/2017/1
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December 16, 2017 8:27am
- Scott
  
  That’s OK, that’s why we have a process to weed out unsuitable candidates for judges. But what you are missing is that besides nominating a stellar Supreme Court Judge, Donald Trump has now had confirmed 18 appeals court judges.
  
  This will make a huge difference. These conservative judges will see that the rule of law is actually applied.
  
  Liberal judges don’t concern themselves with the rule of law but instead like to legislate from the bench and rule according to the political correctness of the day.
  
  So liberals will now have to actually win elections to get their ideas passed into law rather than rely on the courts to do their bidding.
  
  So Trump strikes another blow against political correctness! Awesome ??
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:07am
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    “conservative judges will see that the rule of law is actually applied.”
    
    Like Bush V Gore then
    
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    December 16, 2017 10:50am
- Inandout
  
  His nominees must be an improvement on the gaga Hillary-loving woman judge who is set for life (short as it may be),
  Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:57am
Keeping Stock

Gareth Hughes on Twitter last night:

Gareth Hughes‏
@GarethMP

Awesome. Parliament just passed Families Package Bill to lift 88,000 kids out of poverty! Passed under urgency so it could start faster. Remember the last 9 years when urgency used was for oil companies, Skynet copyright laws or tax cuts for the rich?

Mr Hughes seems to have a very selective memory. Just seven months ago, after the Budget in May, Hughes and his Green Party colleagues along with NZ First SUPPORTED National’s Family Assistance Package, which included – wait for it – what Hughes describes as “tax cuts for the rich”, himself included. That legislation was also passed under urgency, by the way.

Gareth Hughes needs to step out from behind his Shield of Sanctimony for a moment. He and his Green and NZF colleagues are all guilty of hypocrisy of the first order. His smarmy boasting is frankly nauseating.
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December 16, 2017 8:33am
- kevn
  
  KS… Amazing that clowns like hughes actually exist and possibly thrive in the system of gummint as it is.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:38am
  - Harkman
    
    “clowns like hughes”
    
    ☞statement of the week.
    
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    December 16, 2017 10:47am
    - RF
      
      The boy child is a member of La Leche and still breast feeds.
      
      Could have sworn I saw Mallard nursing him on his knee during the lunch break.
      
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      December 16, 2017 11:28am
- oldpark
  
  Commie Greens a waste of parliamentary space. Think of the millions they get for sitting in parliament and spouting on about no tax cuts for the rich.
  Hughes a real sick wee dumdum. Since when is $10.50% tax up to $22,000 and $17.50% UP TO $52,000 a massive tax cut.
  In his coven of women in his party they are drawing circa $200,000 dollars,what for ,
  NZs under the Peters “selected” Coalition of Confusion and Corruption ,are now living in a fools paradise. A Paradise run by cocksuckers and arse lickers.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:48am
- ztev
  
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  Thats because they supported nationals family package only , they still support families with children getting assistance.
  The tax cuts part they didnt agree with. AS Meteria Turei put it
  “She said the new abatement rates “were terrible and the tax cuts were ridiculous but the family tax credit, small as it is, will help.”
  The Greens had no choice but to also vote for the threshold rate change because of the way the bill was structured.”
  
  National was axing of a $10 a week tax credit for low earners with no dependents, which labour is restoring.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:49am
  - oldpark
    
    ztev
    Cranky ,Nasty,Senile .Thats you .
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:06am
    - Gabby
      
      oldfart
      Old ,Farty ,Incompetent Punctuator . Thassyew
      .
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:07am
    - stephieboy
      
      old park , speak for yourself . An apt non de plume if there was ever one when facts a so glaringly obvious !
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:10am
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    Funny ain’t it. Last week the childrens watch dog clearly said that last year Nationals efforts had lifted 22000 children out of poverty and added that this was at the year 2016 and did not include 2017 where there would be more. Since then the legislation that was passed would have done the same for another 20000.
    Now labour are claiming 88000 for this lots of lolly scramble.
    Is that because the target was 100000 and they have deducted the 22000 from the 2016 figures?
    
    I have not the slightest doubt that once this in place they will find a way to lift the benchmark for the so called poor and tell us taxpayers that we now need to feed even more.
    
    fucken communist arsewipes.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:38am
Yvette

Labour’s families package expected to halve child poverty
It is projected to lift 88,000 children out of poverty … – Herald

One measure of poverty is apparently material hardship – the family can not afford many of the items on a list of 17 essentials, like a rain-proof coat or two pairs of shoes. If these children are lifted out of poverty, how many items, like new shoes that will fit them next year, will drop them back in it?

Jacinda is going to need a little more transparency and some explanation for us plebs to understand what she thinks she is doing.
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December 16, 2017 8:35am
- kevn
  
  Yvette… What you are seeing is a lazy broad brush virtue signal approach from JA and the triad of losers and liars.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:45am
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    And Nationals child poverty promises ?
    
    “https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/bill-english-goes-big-promise-lift-100-000-kiwi-kids-poverty
    
    Virtue signalling ? Or desperate election gamble!
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:53am
    - oldpark
      
      Ztev
      Cranky ,Nasty , Senile. Thats You.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:09am
      - Gabby
        
        Oldfart
        Old ,Farty ,Persistently Obnoxious. That Shoe.
        
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        December 16, 2017 10:09am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      It was hardly something just mooted for the election.
      I do hope that we do not have an earthquake to stymie Labour’s aspirations.
      
      National would have been much further advanced with theirs, but for Christchurch and the G.F.C.
      
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      December 16, 2017 4:01pm
- Digmen1
  
  Who goes round to all those houses and counts the shoes and rain-coats.
  (and cans of beer out the back)
  Where do they get the 88,000 from.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:35am
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    Treasurys Disclosure statement says 12,000
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:45am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Yes, more embarrassing CoL porkies:
      http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/5/300416
      “Grant Robertson proudly announced yesterday in the Budget Policy Statement that 39,000 more children would be lifted out of poverty than through the previous Government’s package,” Mr Joyce says.
      
      “Yet the independent disclosure statement and Regulatory Impact Statement provided by Government Departments clearly states that only 12,000 more children will be lifted out of poverty through this package.
      
      “This is a concerning difference.
      
      “Asked to explain the discrepancy in Parliament today, the Government simply said that different officials have different views.
      
      “And yet the Regulatory Impact Statement is signed off jointly by Inland Revenue, MSD and Treasury. These are the relevant officials for this package. This is their official view.
      
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      December 16, 2017 5:15pm
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    It is such a lovely round number isn’t it, and it will also not account for those children to be born to those same parents with currently impoverished children.
    Or for that matter those families that become impoverished due to the Governments fiscal measures.
    
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    December 16, 2017 4:04pm
- KKKKatee
  
  Pure propaganda from Ardern and Robertson.
  So 88,000 kids will be miraculously poverty-free.
  What a load of tripe from these sycophants.
  The only use the $60/week will get is extra money for the pokies, booze etc. The kids won’t see a cent…..
  Treasury’s figures say 12,000.
  I’ll believe Treasury and not the bullshit Labour are trying to peddle.
  
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  December 16, 2017 4:33pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Here’s your rainproof jacket . . .
  Rubbish sack and a pair of scissors.
  
  Cost ? SFA.
  
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  December 16, 2017 7:15pm
  - nasska
    
    I’ve used them in winter on the farm over a jersey & under a swandri. Stops wind chill dead.
    
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    December 16, 2017 7:40pm
tedbear

ztev
Hmm, that story on nzherald is dated 10 July 2017. Labour weren’t in government then. Yes it says it would be paid in monthly payments from May to September. That article also says people will have to apply for the payments.

If you look at http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/2018/families-package/families-package-dec17.pdf dated 14 December 2017, you will note the WEP will be implemented on 1 July 2018.
In future years, the WEP will be paid from May to September.

Then take a look at https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/about-work-and-income/news/2017/families-package.html#null.
It says From 1 July 2018 (not May) a Winter Energy Payment will be available to help with the cost of heating homes during the winter.
It also says you don’t need to do anything to get this payment – if you qualify, it’ll be paid to you automatically.
A little further down the page it says you can get $20.45 a week if you’re single with no dependent children
This will be paid from 1 July to 30 September 2018. (Again, not May)

You’re way out of touch with reality.
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  NZ Government Financial year for 2017 ends on 30 June 2018.
  The payments done that way to align the costs with the yearly budgets.
  This years budget was passed by National, I dont think there is any money left to start the payments in this 2017 financial year.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:10am
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    Enough to give kids free education for a year and $3 million to manus Island
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:47am
Happychappy

What happened to Winston Peters Principles if he had any at all, after making threats to National about the boys club of overseas postings for ex MP’s and their friends he brings the PM’S Father back to NZ from his last posting to be close to his Daughter and makes him High Commissioner to Tokaloa. More lies from this germ that likes to hold other people to account but thinks he has the right to do what he calls others corrupt when they do it.
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December 16, 2017 8:39am
- kevn
  
  Happy… Maybe his apparent health issues are affecting sensible thought. Has always been a bit feral but seems to have really found the nasty side now.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:42am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Winston Peters subscribes to the Groucho Marx view of principles:
  
  These are my principles. And if you don’t like them, I have others.
  
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  December 16, 2017 11:43am
- KKKKatee
  
  Do you mean Tokoroa instead of Tokaloa? That’d be more like it…….
  
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  December 16, 2017 4:29pm
kevn

Ted… z is just a pretender. Quoting the old NZ Herald lol. Good work Ted.
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December 16, 2017 8:40am
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“Unbelievable brutality, day after day, night after night….
No other society anywhere lives in such willed ignorance.”
Gideon Levy at Mt Eden War Memorial Hall, Dominion Road
Sunday 3 December 2017, 3 p.m. (Part 1 of 2)

On a gorgeous early summer afternoon, the Mt Eden War Memorial Hall was packed for this rare chance to see someone who is without any doubt a hero and an inspiration to human rights activists around the world. However, there were some notable absentees: where were the “liberal” bloggers such as Russell Brown and his court? Where was Māori Television? Where was TVNZ? Where was “THREE”? Where was the Herald?

Ngati Whatua o Orakei welcomed Gideon In an eloquent and moving couple of minutes, the speaker established a connection between New Zealand’s treatment of Māori and Israel’s dispossession of Palestinians. He recalled how in 1951 the National Government and the Auckland City Council collaborated to evict Māori families from their homes in Okahu Bay. “It traumatised our people, though they rarely spoke of it. More recently, John Key’s government allowed people to claim our land. We are in the courts all across the land. My advice to the Palestinian people is not to fall for that. Our dispossession was of a different severity to the dispossession of the Palestinians, but they both had the same result.”

Next came some introductory remarks by Nicholas Rowe, who lived in Ramallah from 2000 to 2008, teaching in refugee camps. Professor Rowe is especially interested in the phenomenon of addiction, and why people do such injurious things to themselves. Nationalism, he said, is crystal meth, cooked up in think tanks and exacerbated by peer pressure. Like all addictions, nationalism does not discriminate on the basis of economics. The Israel-Palestine conflict is not a religious one, it’s political. Manufactured ideals are terribly addictive. Prof. Rowe said that Gideon Levy is like a crack baby. He has had to struggle to break away from the grip of nationalism. It’s a very hard struggle. Israel’s brutal politics of exclusion is an issue that needs to be addressed.

The great journalist then began his speech. (I’ve organised this point by point. It’s pretty much verbatim.)

GIDEON LEVY:

1.) First of all, I have to say that, in spite of the grimness and darkness of the situation, there is still hope. I learned a great deal from my host Parata yesterday. I was greatly impressed to learn of the immense scale and length of the protests in New Zealand against another apartheid state in 1981. We are not pro-Palestinian, we are pro-justice. We are struggling for justice, equality and for respect for international law. (APPLAUSE)

2.) I was stunned to see Māori art at Auckland International Airport. Just imagine Palestinian art at Ben Gurion Airport! It would be erased within hours.

3.) Solidarity is essential. I was born in Tel Aviv. I was a “good Tel Aviv boy.” I was taught to believe the Palestinians are always wrong, that WE are weak, that on the other side are golem who want to push us into the sea. We were a people without land, who came to a land without people. There were ruins around the roads in Israel. I never asked what those ruins were. I never heard the word nakba until I was twenty years old. We were told that the Palestinian leaders had incited their people to run away.

4.) In the late 1980s, I went to the Palestinian Territories. I was working for the IDF and Shimon Peres; I don’t know which was worse. (LAUGHTER)

5.) In the Occupied Territories I saw unbelievable brutality, day after day, night after night. I decided that I would make it my life’s work to cover the Occupation. For this I have been labeled a “self-hating Jew.”

6.) I’m not “covering the Palestinians”—I’m a journalist. I am covering the story, and holding up a mirror to my fellow Israelis, and saying: “You, and each of us, is accountable.”

7.) In Israel there is a broad coalition of opinion, which says “We don’t want to know.” No other society anywhere lives in such willed ignorance, abetted and amplified by the Israeli media and the Jewish establishment in New Zealand and Australia. Israel is becoming increasingly militaristic, nationalistic, and religious.

8.) In Canberra last week I met some Australian members of parliament. It gave me hope, because until I heard them speak I had always thought that Israel’s right wing politicians were the worst. —-(LAUGHTER)— I’ve never heard any Israeli politician speak about the Palestinian people the way that those Australian politicians did. But they are Australia’s problem, not mine. (LAUGHTER) I spoke with the Australian foreign minister; she talked and she was very nice but we could not agree on anything. (LAUGHTER)

9.) Israel has three regimes. First, there is the “liberal democracy” which is the privilege of its Jewish citizens, but there are many threats to this. The second regime is aimed at the Palestinians—the “Israeli Arabs” who comprise 20 per cent of the population, and who have formal civil rights; they are deeply discriminated against in every way. The third regime is very different from any “liberal” posturing—this is Israel’s dark heart, the regime in the Occupied Territories. This is one of the most brutal tyrannies on Earth today, no less than that.

10.) Israel cannot be defined as anything other than an apartheid regime. It is apartheid. No one with an open heart could not be shocked and moved by the situation in the Occupied Territories. Israel claimed for years that the Occupation was “temporary. We cannot find a partner.” The Occupation is part of Israel, therefore we cannot define Israel as a democracy. Either ALL the inhabitants of Israel enjoy civil rights, or they do not. Either you are a democracy, or there are other names to call you.

11.) I enjoy full freedoms. But this is just a front. You in this audience know more than the average Israeli does, because you are interested. How can Israeli society live with this terrible reality in our backyard? This brutality, this criminal reality.

12.) Whenever there is a catastrophe overseas, Israel sends a rescue team. But we are blind to the catastrophe in our backyard. The roots of this problem lie in the message with which we are inculcated from birth and right through the school system: (a) “Israelis are the Chosen People—therefore we do not have to obey the law”; (b) “Israelis are the greatest victims in history. Not only are we the greatest victims in history, we are the ONLY victims in history, therefore we can do what we want”; (c) “The Palestinians are not human beings like us; the Palestinians are cruel, brutal terrorists, who want to push us us into the ocean. They are NOT human beings.” This message is very effective because if it is accepted, then there is no question of the Palestinians deserving human rights.Though more severe, this is similar to what has been done to the Māori; this is what the colonizer does, dehumanize people.

13.) The informal religion of Israelis is the worship of security. This lets us do whatever we like. No one speaks of the security of the Palestinians, who paid a much bigger price. Israel is the regional superpower, with all the weapons in the world , and still we pretend to be David facing existential threat.

14.) Don’t expect any change from within Israeli society. Life is too good in Israel, and Israeli people are brainwashed. Never before has there been an occupatioin where the occupying force is the victim. There have been longer and more brutal occupations, but this is the only one where the occupier pretends to be the victim.

15.) Israel never stops making excuses for its refusal to negotiate with the Palestinians. “Arafat is too strong, Abu Mazen is too weak. Hamas wants to exterminate us.” But the world is watching. The world agrees, from Africa to Australia to the United States, everyone wants a two-state solution, no one recognizes the Occupation. Israel’s second best friend is Micronesia. The world pays lip service to the two-state solution year after year, and Israel takes advantage. There are endless “peace plans”, all of them the same: Israel must recognize the 1967 borders. In the meantime, Israel has exploded its influence in the Occupied Territories. There are now SEVEN HUNDRED THOUSAND illegal settlers in the Occupied Territories, including East Jerusalem. Will they ever evacuate 700,000 settlers?

16.) But don’t blame the settlers. We are ALL settlers. We have missed the train of one state shared justly. The Occupation is stronger and more brutal than ever. We have to change the discourse and talk of one thing: equal rights for everyone between the River Jordan and the Mediterranean.

17.) New Zealand is a democracy; that’s enough for my country. (APPLAUSE) There are six million Palestinians, therefore Israel cannot be a purely Jewish state. Israel has to accept it is an apartheid state. The international community fought against South Africa; don’t we have to do the same against this apartheid state? Or do we choose to support, blindly and intentionally, the apartheid state? There is no other way to describe Israel: it is an apartheid state.

18.) The so-called “friends of Israel”, who support Israel automatically and blindly: this has nothing to do with friendship. They are enemies of Israel—they corrupt us. The Jewish establishment in Australia kept saying to me: “Israel right or wrong.” Well, Israel is wrong and they need to stop supporting it. Continuous support by Western governments and by the Jewish establishment is anything BUT friendship.

19.) Gaza is the biggest cage on Earth. It is the biggest experiment on human beings that has ever been taken: let’s lock two million people in a cage and see what happens to them. One in three of Gaza’s children has been a victim of sexual harassment. Families, and society, are falling apart in Gaza. No one is able to support the children. Addiction to painkillers is rampant. Gaza was famous for its solidarity, its willpower, and its devotion. Gazans were famous for being always happy, and never complaining. Now it is falling apart, even Gaza’s famous solidarity. The United Nations has declared that Gaza will be unlivable by the year 2020. That is two years from now. In fact, it is already unlivable. Anyone who goes there is horrified. There is sewage in the streets, and the electricity is cut constantly. Launching rockets is the only way to get world attention.

20.) The occupation of the West Bank has always been brutal. Hundreds of Palestinians are kidnapped by the I.D.F. every week. I ask you to imagine teams of soldiers descending on your home in the night, then taking one family member away for weeks, even months, even years, into “administrative detention. None of us, except the Palestinians here, can imagine living under occupation. Humiliation in front of your family, the routine, daily humiliation and degradation more than the bloodshed, which is horrifying at certain times. Their only hope is civil society—NGOs like yours (Kia Ora Gaza, the NZ Palestine Solidarity Network, ), the Boycott, Divestment and
Sanctions movement, etc. For me, meeting people like you gives me hope.

21.) New Zealand has a good reputation. On the Q+A program this morning, I was asked about the United Nations Resolution 2334 led by New Zealand last year. Each New Zealander should be so proud of that. (PROLONGED APPLAUSE) The resolution states: “The settlements are a violation of international law.” Who can deny it? Israel denies it of course. Of course, anyone can deny anything. You could say today is not Sunday, but at the end of the day some things are beyond dispute. The settlements are a brutal violation of international law. Some will try to make your government’s brave leadership in this matter an international scandal. The United States did not veto the Resolution because Obama felt guilty after eight years of doing nothing. So don’t let your politicians do the wrong thing; you know more than they do.

22.) Many things in history happen unexpectedly. Think of the last thirty years: apartheid South Africa—gone. The Soviet Union—gone. The Berlin Wall—gone. This gives us hope, even though I can’t expect the situation to change right now. In our part of the world, one should be realistic enough to believe in miracles. (LAUGHTER) And we need miracles. (PROLONGED, SUSTAINED APPLAUSE.)
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December 16, 2017 8:47am
- mandk
  
  It’s impossible for Israel to dispossess the Palestinians.
  
  Palestine has never been a state.
  
  And the land was Israel’s for around 1300 years before the Romans named their province Palestine.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:54am
  - Morrissey
    
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    You should read some work by Israeli journalists like Gideon Levy and Amira Hass, and Israeli academics like Benny Morris. Until then, you lack the competence to make any comment on this topic.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:00am
    - Jack5
      
      M0rning Morrissey!
      
      Reading lists?
      
      Next you’ll be setting up exams that would-be posters must pass before they can post on Kiwiblog.
      
      No doubt you’ll be selling ZB and Red Radio transcripts as required reading for the course.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:04am
      - Morrissey
        
        Hmmmm… a course, with exams, and reading lists. Say, I LIKE it!
        
        https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/i-have-great-idea-15751935.jpg
        
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        December 16, 2017 10:10am
    - realityczech
      
      Morris Dancer, I have big problems with the conduct of Israel. Particularly the extremists seeking to expand ever further with illegal occupations.
      
      However, the issue for even moderate Jews is one of personal security. The Palestinians need to address their extremists too. I do not expect Israeli’s to put up with attacks from anyone. All people have a right to self defense.
      
      Its a stand off with religious lunatics on both sides.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:29am
      - Morrissey
        
        You don’t know what you’re talking about. The Palestinian cause is one of land rights and human rights. There are fanatical religious zealots among the illegal Israeli settlers, to be sure, but it’s their lawlessness and the brutality of their IDF bodyguards that the Palestinians are confronting every day. Religion is not the issue, justice is.
        
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        December 16, 2017 9:46am
      - Kimbo
        
        A sensible and measured comment on Israel and/or Judaism from realityczech. Amazing!
        
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        December 16, 2017 10:50am
      - realityczech
        
        Bimbo maybe you read what was actually written this time, rather than screaming about nazis/anti semites and listening to voices in your head ?
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:16am
      - realityczech
        
        Morris Dancer, the trouble is if the Israeli’s back off security some religious lunatic will see that as an opportunity. Hamas has done more harm to their cause than the IDF.
        
        On the other side, Israel needs to stop the illegal occupations.
        
        The biggest problem in such an old area of the world is grudges and blood feuds going back centuries. Unless all sides can put past wrongs behind them they can not even begin to think of peace. If they could forgive then they could co-exist. In fact Muslims and Jews do co-exist in Israel right now as they do in many parts of the world.
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:23am
      - Kimbo
        
        No, I always read what you write, realityczech. Whenever you make the point that neither Judaism nor Israel should be inviolable and immune from criticism then it is valid. Your problem is that in trying to (rightly) demonstrate the sensible point of other Kiwiblogger’s inconsistent religious prejudices and inconsistencies concerning Judaism/Israel compared with Islam, you resort to insensible excesses and extremes. Plus you double team with a moral and intellectual defective and rhetorical shyster and snake like EAD.
        
        Put it this way, unlike EAD, so far I haven’t discerned that you believe in some sinister international Jewish conspiracy to corrupt and rule Gentiles. A few idiot religious extremist Rabbis, yeah. But not the Rothschilds…or the (((Bolsheviks))) 😉
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:26am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ realityczech
        
        The biggest problem in such an old area of the world is grudges and blood feuds going back centuries…In fact Muslims and Jews do co-exist in Israel right now as they do in many parts of the world.
        
        That portrays it as primarily a religious/illogical ancient shepherd’s dispute. Sure, religion plays a part in the history and is fanned and used by the extremists. But it is primarily a natioonalist/political one between Israelis and Palestinians, who happen to be Jewish or Muslim (and in some cases Christians).
        
        But as you say, in the main, and before the late 1930s Jews and Muslims lived in peace in the region…or at least relative peace compared to the lot of Jews in Europe. As they continue to do in most of the world. Therefore religion is a distraction, or occasional impediment, not the cause.
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:40am
      - realityczech
        
        Yes you are correct, but I try and keep my comments brief 🙂
        
        Religious differences are not the root cause of today’s issues. In fact they have much common ground in that area. This is not the only time people have been controlled through their desire for spiritual salvation. That same mechanism can equally be applied to bring peace and tolerance, by appealing to selected scribblings in their respective holly books.
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:49am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ realityczech
        
        Yes you are correct, but I try and keep my comments brief ?
        
        So much for “brevity” being “the soul of wit”! 😉
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:59am
      - MH
        
        both are open to circumspection or maybe just circumcision, as the circumstances provide.
        
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        December 16, 2017 5:11pm
    - VicParking
      
      Pot calling the kettle black Morrissey
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:49am
  - realityczech
    
    “And the land was Israel’s for around 1300 years before the Romans named their province Palestine.”
    
    Given that the Jewish tribe took it from someone else, then using your logic it is the descendants of the Romans who should have right of return.
    
    As a thought exercise, how would the world look if non Jews could claim land their ancestors occupied thousands of years ago ?
    
    That is such an absurd notion that only those addled by religion give it any consideration.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:10am
    - Kimbo
      
      Yes another sensible and measured comment on Israel and/or Judaism from realityczech. Even more amazing!
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:52am
      - flipper
        
        Personalities given to excesses have poisoned the well…. starting with Hitler’s Grand Mufti in the early 1930s.
        Today? Reality is reality.
        The Middle East has but one democracy, and all the power and determination of Benny Netanyahu (et al) will ensure that the abolition of Israel never happens – no matter how much Hamas/Hezbollah is levered by the MSM and the limp wristed UN.
        
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        December 16, 2017 12:06pm
    - Brito
      
      I’m 78 in a few days and I’m going to head back to the old Kibbutz and take up my old way of life.
      
      My dear old Mother is 99 and my dear old Father is 101. Still going strong and still defending their right to be there.
      
      I need the healing properties of communal support and look forward to renewing acquaintances and visiting the graves of those who have passed on.
      
      I hope you all find peace and will continue to defend the rights of others to speak their minds (if not the truth).
      
      A wee Jewish prayer for you all!
      
      “I pray to You, O God, from this most confused place and I entreat Your help in these terrible moments. I feel hurt and angry and confused. I have felt attacked and have attacked back. Hurtful things have been said to me and I have said hurtful things back. I have needed to be right and I have let my anger run away with me.”
      
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      December 16, 2017 11:11am
      - realityczech
        
        Good on you Brittle, I never picked you as a hippy 🙂 But to be clear I don’t think anyone here is saying Jews should not be allowed in Israel. Even that famous Catholic, Hitler, did not think that.
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:27am
      - flipper
        
        And Happy Hanukkah to you and yours Brito.
        May your Menorah light the way 🙂
        
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        December 16, 2017 12:09pm
      - Morrissey
        
        You’ll keep posting here, Brito? All the best, my friend. מזל טוב
        
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        December 16, 2017 2:46pm
      - Brito
        
        Thanks for your best wishes.
        
        Noted that EAD, Gabby, Griff, ztev, sammy are absent.
        
        Was it something I said??
        
        Czech, I’ll find a place next to God for you because I think you’re converting to the side of light. Well done!
        
        And Morry you know the innocent and child-like are all welcome.
        
        Flipper, you can come as well.
        
        Everybody else seems destined to a place of endless, fiery BBQ’s and cups of bubbling sulphur and having to read Hugh’s posts endlessly.
        
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        December 16, 2017 3:37pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Brito
        
        Everybody else seems destined to a place of endless, fiery BBQ’s and cups of bubbling sulphur and having to read Hugh’s posts endlessly.
        
        Not us Calvinists. We really are “God’s chosen (updated version)” 😉
        
        There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Galatians 3:28).
        
        שָׁלוֹם עֲלֵיכֶם‎
        
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        December 16, 2017 4:33pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle, will you be allowed your Uzi back on the commune you old hippy ?
        
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        December 16, 2017 4:37pm
      - Brito
        
        Upgraded version which sprays randomly and in a general directive sort of way. That is “while there’s lead in the air there’s hope.”
        
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        December 16, 2017 6:33pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    It’s impossible for Israel to dispossess the Palestinians.
    
    If the Ashkenazi Jews (90% of the Worlds Jews) were to go back to their homeland, it’s not to Israel they’d go, it’s Northern Turkey:
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/archaeology/scientists-reveal-jewish-historys-forgotten-turkish-roots-a6992076.html
    
    Back in Northern Turkey, they used to squabble with their Armenian neighbours with whom they held a centuries long grudges ever since. Even now, the State of Israel refuses to recognise the 20th century’s worst ever real genocide (except that committed against the Russians) as carried out by the Dönmeh:
    
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/why-israel-still-refuses-to-recognize-a-century-old-genocide/
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:12am
    - realityczech
      
      EAD, Judaism is a religion. Not a race. Most of the people that formed modern Israel have no historical links to the region. There are even black African Jews.
      
      I have no problem with Jews living in Israel. Or Fiji either. But to suggest one particular religion has exclusive domain is to ignore thousands of years of history in that ancient region. There were developed sophisticated civilisations there well before the tribal religious cult of the Jews were formed.
      
      The only people who can not acknowledge this self evident fact are religious loons.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:18am
      - Kimbo
        
        And a third sensible and measured comment on Israel and/or Judaism from realityczech. Truly amazing!
        
        Although Judaism by its own self-definition and practice is/can be both a religion and/or a race. Which is why, if you roll up in Israel, and prove your Jewish ethnicity, then irrespective of being Orthodox, Buddhist or an atheist, you will be accepted as a Israeli citizen in the modern Jewish state. However, if you are of the other two monotheistic religions, which are similarly exclusive – no.
        
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        December 16, 2017 10:58am
      - realityczech
        
        Bimbo, I see it this way – Jews are both a religion and a culture. Many Jews are only culturally Jewish and may be atheists. Some identify as Jews through family background.
        
        Jews are not a race. Israel is a country not a race. Judaism is not a race and is simply a religion.
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:34am
      - Kimbo
        
        Again, by self-defintion, Judaism is a nation/religion/race/culture at its original conception through Moses at the foot of Mount Sinai:
        
        5 Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine, 6 you will be for me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.’ These are the words you are to speak to the Israelites.” (Exodus 19:5-6)
        
        The Hebrew word for “nation” is…goy, plural, goyim (from whence we get the word “nations/Gentiles”. When it was translated into the Greek of the Septuagint (LXX) the word used was ethnos, from whence we derive “ethnicity”.
        
        It is a modern phenomena courtesy of the Enlightenment to secularise and separate politics, religion, race/ethnicity, nationality and culture. But traditionally, and even still most people of the earth do not do this. So why should Judaism accept your definitions when they are in contradiction to their own?
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:50am
    - Paulus
      
      Are not over 25% of those who live in Israel Palestinians ?
      They appear to work and live there harmoniously.
      
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      December 16, 2017 1:00pm
      - Morrissey
        
        They appear to work and live there harmoniously.
        
        No they don’t.
        
        ‘Israel has three regimes. First, there is the “liberal democracy” which is the privilege of its Jewish citizens, but there are many threats to this. The second regime is aimed at the Palestinians—the “Israeli Arabs” who comprise 20 per cent of the population, and who have formal civil rights; they are deeply discriminated against in every way. The third regime is very different from any “liberal” posturing—this is Israel’s dark heart, the regime in the Occupied Territories. This is one of the most brutal tyrannies on Earth today, no less than that.’
        
        —Gideon Levy, Auckland, 3 December 2017
        
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        December 16, 2017 2:12pm
  - ztev
    
    NZ never existed as a state either, till the British created one.
    Thats what the British and League of nations did in 1922, create the Mandate of Palestine.
    
    There was Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem was a crusader state established in the Southern Levant by Godfrey of Bouillon in 1099 after the First Crusade. The kingdom lasted nearly two hundred years, from 1099 until 1291.
    That covers the area of Palestine.
    
    There was no Italian state till one was created in 1866
    
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    December 16, 2017 10:19am
    - Kimbo
      
      Nor a German one before 1871. Which means by mandk’s definition, neither Martin Luther, Goethe nor Beethoven were truly…German! 😉
      
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      December 16, 2017 11:01am
    - oldpark
      
      Ztev
      Cranky ,Nasty Senile .Thats you .
      
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      December 16, 2017 11:02am
      - Kimbo
        
        So not engaging with his argument that rebuts the irrelevance of mandk’s?
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:04am
    - GazzaW
      
      Well researched Labour interns. Are they paying you for Saturday work?
      
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      December 16, 2017 4:52pm
- GazzaW
  
  TLDR
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:58am
  - Morrissey
    
    Lazy, therefore ignorant.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:00am
    - Peter
      
      TLDR
      
      Pain in the arse to scroll through.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:34am
    - GazzaW
      
      You need to get out more Morrissey, therefore ignorant.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:35am
      - Morrissey
        
        I actually DID get out. On a beautiful summer’s day, I joined hundreds of other people who went to see a great and inspirational speaker.
        
        What did you do on December 3rd?
        
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        December 16, 2017 10:08am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Lazy, therefore ignorant.
      
      No.
      it is laziness and arrogance on your behalf.
      
      You could have made a PDF for folks to link to.
      
      Remember many folks are reading KB on small screens.
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:25am
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks for that very good advice, Maggy. I’ll have to start putting my really long pieces on my official blog, which I started years ago, but have largely—in fact, almost entirely—neglected….
        http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.co.nz/
        
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        December 16, 2017 2:07pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Christ that was just part 1. Part 2 is still to come.
  Posts please morris dancer, not essays.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:00am
  - Morrissey
    
    Sorry, Cap’n, I tried to present it as readably as possible. I was going to post the speech in two parts rather than one, but then I decided it was better as a coherent whole. The second part is just the question and answer segment at the end of the speech.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:03am
    - stigie
      
      Who fucking cares morris dancer..?
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:14am
      - Morrissey
        
        Idiot. Please read something, some time. Please. Your willed ignorance is an irritation to more than just me, I’m sure.
        
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        December 16, 2017 9:19am
      - realityczech
        
        Morris Dancer maybe stigie likes to think for himself and form his own views, rather than parrot the thoughts of others in the vain hope he appears educated and informed ?
        
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        December 16, 2017 9:23am
      - Morrissey
        
        Yes, stigie comes across as a deep and concerned thinker. Oh yes indeed.
        
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        December 16, 2017 9:37am
      - realityczech
        
        Morris Dancer, stigie’s economical prose is the refined work of a sagacious and erudite mind.
        
        It is also more entertaining than the cut and pasting of pompous waffle.
        
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        December 16, 2017 11:41am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Why not ask DPF if you can run Part 2 as an Opinion Piece?
      
      Then folks reading GD who have no interest in this topic won’t be forced to scroll through it.
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:39am
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks Maggy. What I’ll do in future if I have any more long ones like yesterday, I’ll put a short bit on Kiwiblog, and the rest on my blog….
        
        http://morrisseybreen.blogspot.co.nz/
        
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        December 17, 2017 10:56am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  A Hugh (Award)
  
  Lots of copy and paste however nice to see the lack of hyperlinks or that the same thing (read shit) was posted yesterday, the day before, the day before that and most likely tomorrow, the day after that and the day after that again . . . .
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:04am
  - Morrissey
    
    I did not copy and paste this speech, I transcribed it. I made an effort to present, clearly and honestly, the words of one of Israel’s most brilliant and courageous citizens.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:21am
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      I was there on 3rd December and you have done a very accurate job.
      Thank you.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:50am
      - Morrissey
        
        Thanks Tauhei. I appreciate that.
        
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        December 16, 2017 10:06am
- Nukuleka
  
  As I have commented befor, Morrie, drug- fuelled dribbling.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:32am
- Digmen1
  
  Gaza was a cage for some Palestinians
  
  Now its a cage for millions of Palestinians who keep breeding even though they have no food of their own or jobs. (nor will there ever be)
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:38am
  - Gabby
    
    Don’t be a Dic man. There’s fuckall else for them to do besides dig tunnels.
    
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    December 16, 2017 10:12am
    - softail 1450
      
      grubby ,early release again grubby ,good behaviour was it ?
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:14am
  - mandk
    
    There was food and jobs there before Hamas turned it into a cesspit.
    
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    December 16, 2017 10:13am
    - Morrissey
      
      Yes, mandk, just like the Jewish Councils turned the Warsaw Ghetto into a cesspit.
      
      Seriously, though: it is painfully obvious that you have not started your reading program yet. So why are you commenting on this topic?
      
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      December 16, 2017 2:43pm
      - mandk
        
        The Warsaw ghetto was 3.4km2 at its maximum and it had up to 400,000 people in it.
        
        Gaza is 365km2 and its population is 1.8 million.
        
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        December 16, 2017 5:56pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Do you understand that “Palestinians” are Jews and Christians that converted to survive the Islamic invasion that preceded the Crusades to free them from that genocidal yoke?
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:54am
  - stephieboy
    
    Source for that history jiggerpockery ?
    
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    December 16, 2017 10:55am
    - rangitoto
      
      Genetics.
      
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      December 16, 2017 3:21pm
Jack5

“What wad ya like for Christmas?”

If you’re a military history buff, especially one who idolises World War 2 airmen as one poster here does, drop a hint for “Fearless: the extraordinary story of NZ’s World War 1 airmen”.

Adam Claasen has made a great, detailed but very readable, story of our early fighter pilots including Keith Park, Arthur Coningham, who also became a RAF leader, and NZ’s leading ace, Sopwith-flying Southland lawyer Ronald Bannerman.

The pilots flew and fought without parachutes, and carried a pistol whose main purpose seems to have been suicide if flames erupted in a crash.

They fought Zeppelins as well as enemy fighters. One New Zealander flew in what must have been the world’s first ship-launched raid, to bomb Zeppelin hangars in Germany. The return journey was to crash into the sea beside a war ship and be fished out.

The book, published by Massey University, is big, lavishly illustrated and printed on quality paper that makes it heavy. It would cost far more than its $60 price if it had been published by a non-academic publisher.

Yep, this is a plug, but this is a really good book , especially for those of us who like military or air history.
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December 16, 2017 8:51am
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  “carried a pistol”?
  
  There were many machine guns adapted for aerial use
  http://www.wwiaviation.com/allies_guns.html
  “The Lewis Gun was extensively used on British and French aircraft during World War I,
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:17am
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    Ztev, of course the planes were fitted with machineguns, including Lewis guns.
    
    But the point is, the pistols the pilots carried were useless in aerial combat and the pilots’ great fear seems to have been not of being shot down or dying in a crash, but of being burned alive.
    
    This is an excellent book. It’s probably a good investment. Because it’s so solidly made, it will likely become an NZ collector’s book in a decade or two.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:21am
  - GazzaW
    
    You really take the award as a weapons grade troll ztev. Who but you would want to debate a piece of military trivia whether a WW1 pilot carried a pistol for combat or suicide purposes? Time to smell the roses comrade.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:42am
    - ztev
      
      It was fanciful that if you were trapped in a crash, it would then be possible to draw the pistol to shoot yourself.
      No evidence that any did so. What was expected was the flare pistols they carried in the plane would be used to signal other pilots and set fire to the plane if it ‘came down behind enemy lines’.
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:08am
      - Jack5
        
        Why troll a non-political book review, Ztev?
        
        You obviously think you know more about World War 1 aerial combat than Adam Classen has learned from his research.
        
        You seem to be saying NZ fighter pilots in World War 1 didn’t carry pistols. How did a Left-wing, pacifist, full-time troll like you come to that conclusion?
        
        Send up a flare when you landed behind enemy lines? So who could know you were there?
        
        Ztev, you obviously believe in a war-comic caricature of German soldiers as dolts with bottle-thick spectacles who could barely see the end of their noses. Wasn’t like that at all. Read the bloody book, or if that’s a bit beyond you, ask someone to read it to you, explaining as they go along.
        
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        December 16, 2017 12:38pm
realityczech

Tune in to Red Radio for a laugh. The hysterical screeching Kim Hill is interviewing a well spoken chap who’s Jewish Mum escaped Nazi Germany and who’s father was a Russian communist.

The funny part is he is a well spoken conservative who rejects progressive values 🙂

He is politely and convincingly deconstructing all her fake virtue signalling talking points.
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December 16, 2017 8:52am
- realityczech
  
  Theodore Dalrymple is the nom de plume of Anthony Daniels, a physician and psychiatrist who, most recently practiced in a British inner-city hospital and prison. Dalrymple has written a column for The Spectator (London) for many years and writes regularly for National Review. He’s a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and a contributing editor of City Journal. Dalrymple’s most famous work was Life at the Bottom: The Worldview That Makes the Underclass (2001). He’s just published his first collection of short stories, called The Proper Procedure and Other Stories.
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:56am
  - realityczech
    
    In his writing, Daniels frequently argues that the socially liberal and progressive views prevalent within Western intellectual circles minimise the responsibility of individuals for their own actions and undermine traditional mores, contributing to the formation within prosperous countries of an underclass afflicted by endemic violence, criminality, sexually transmitted diseases, welfare dependency, and drug abuse. Much of Dalrymple’s writing is based on his experience of working with criminals and the mentally ill.
    
    Daniels has been described as a pessimist. In 2010, Daniel Hannan wrote that Dalrymple’s work “takes pessimism about human nature to a new level. Yet its tone is never patronising, shrill or hectoring. Once you get past the initial shock of reading about battered wives, petty crooks and junkies from a non-Left perspective, you find humanity and pathos”.[4]
    
    He is an atheist, but has criticised anti-theism and says that “to regret religion […] is to regret our civilisation and its monuments, its achievements, and its legacy”.[15] Raised in a non-religious Jewish home, he began doubting the existence of a God at age nine. He became an atheist in response to a moment in a school assembly.[15]
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Dalrymple
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:57am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Theodore Dalrymple (or Anthony Malcolm Daniels if you will) is a great man – a rare voice of courage in an increasingly insane world.
    
    https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/67950.Theodore_Dalrymple
    
    Here is Dalrymple on Political Correctness:
    
    “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:26am
    - realityczech
      
      EAD, a very profound summary. He describes it brilliantly.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:32am
    - Gabby
      
      He nicked that from Orwell.
      
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      December 16, 2017 9:59am
    - kevn
      
      ead… Thinking of North Korea here
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:01am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD TWO ,
      
      “When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity”
      
      Examples of this happening on KB or Western MSM ?
      
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      December 16, 2017 10:15am
      - Inandout
        
        It fits Hillary to a tee.
        
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        December 16, 2017 12:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        ☪StephieX☪
        
        You keep asking for examples…
        
        Get off the sajjadat salat and do your own reseach on Google and the many other internet tools available.
        
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        December 16, 2017 12:51pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Asking questions all the time is CreeepyMongs version of trolling.
        
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        December 16, 2017 4:59pm
- kevn
  
  Reality… I would love to hear Kim Hill interview Tracey Martin NZF. Like 2 chainsaws.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:15am
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    But a chainsaw duet from Ms Martin and Ms Lisa Owen would be gripping. Or something.
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:26am
- softail 1450
  
  R C, hill is so bad it beggars belief how she retains her position, she’s like a mixture of Tourette’s syndrome and xanax.
  how is it possible she still has her job? she’s painfull to listen to ,but throw in the video and most sane folk will be reaching for a razor and a hot bath.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:32am
  - realityczech
    
    softy, I bet she is crazy in the sack 🙂
    
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    December 16, 2017 9:34am
- Gabby
  
  She didn’t quiz him on all the ‘conversations’ he had with victims, whom he invariably enlightened with his socratic probing. To be fair.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:57am
Surely Knott

Ecomatters , an environmental partner of Auckland Council, is running an event until Dec 21. They have developed a game app, which has r17 , gambling and profanity warnings, which they want you to download and enter your personal details, which leads you to a series of real life problems and experiential problems on the streets of Auckland and then 100 winners will be invited to a secret party. The app designer says the “ App has been designed to recruit people to form an army of environmental evangelists”. The agency portfolio shows branding in coalition colours with word play messages including: John Key is the Problem, John Key is a Joke, Cut Down Trees – Cunt, and Consume, Consume, Consume die. The Client is named as Auckland Council and Ecomatters. Is this how our Council spends our environmental budgets forming armies on expensive extremist, political propaganda to youth backed up with free secret parties. http://theagentc.org/portfolio/the-problem/
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December 16, 2017 9:17am
- Surely Knott
  
  Facebook video for “The Problem” – client – Auckland Council Ecomatters. Talking about the problem being the National Government not doing enough. https://www.facebook.com/BecomeTheProblem/videos/786796404851774/
  
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  December 16, 2017 3:25pm
Nukuleka

I suggest that the best way to deal with Morrissey, ztev and Hugh is to simply downtick their comments without bothering to read them, and to make no comments at all. These only serve to encourage more of their imbecilic rantings.
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December 16, 2017 9:36am
- VicParking
  
  Agreed
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:51am
- Morrissey
  
  “No other society anywhere lives in such willed ignorance.”—Gideon Levy.
  
  He was talking about Israel, but it could equally apply to the likes of you and your bewildered compadres.
  
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  December 16, 2017 10:03am
- GazzaW
  
  A concerted downticking effort saw the end of WofO and I note that some of ztev’s posts had disappeared by 10am this morning. Morrissey and ztev do provide entertainment and debating value and should remain but the lackluster efforts of gobby, stephieboy and muttonhead add very little to Kiwiblog and need to be downticked into oblivion.
  
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  December 16, 2017 10:17am
  - stephieboy
    
    GazzaW, you and KB’s alt right provide debating value ?
    
    You’re joking naturally .
    
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    December 16, 2017 10:57am
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      Then why do you even bother coming here stephie?
      
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      December 16, 2017 11:47am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Because his wife probably knows what he gets up to at the Mall and he’s probably not allowed out of the house by himself anymore!
        
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        December 16, 2017 4:57pm
  - softail 1450
    
    gazzaW ,,,Morrissey can at times add a bit of humour as well .
    very welcome by me as some of the subjects are often extremely complex .
    I’m not to proud to admit that my general knowledge is nowhere near as sharp as a lot on this blog ,so a bit of humour is to be encouraged…..
    
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    December 16, 2017 12:11pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Totally agree softail. Morrissey presents some good debating points and even ztev and his pet squirrels have their rare moments. The rest of the trolls are ignorant shite – only here to disrupt and they deserve all that they get.
      
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      December 16, 2017 5:00pm
- KevOB
  
  I agree.
  
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  December 16, 2017 11:01am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  You mean anyone reads all of that shit ?
  Wow.
  I couldn’t read it all if I tried.
  
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  December 16, 2017 7:06pm
tedbear

ztev
“NZ Government Financial year for 2017 ends on 30 June 2018. The payments done that way to align the costs with the yearly budgets.”

What’s that got to do with the price of fish?

Students will get a $50 weekly boost to student allowances and living cost payments from 1 January 2018.
I dare say there’ll be plenty of spare government cash for the influx of immigrant teachers and tradies too prior to 30 June, so that kinda shoots down your ‘ there’s no money left to start the payments in this 2017 financial year’.
The reality is your government doesn’t practise what is preaches so freezing pensioners will continue dying because they aren’t important to your government who can’t get it’s priorities right.
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December 16, 2017 9:37am
- calendar girl
  
  “The reality is your government doesn’t practise what is preaches …”
  
  Or “this Government lies …”
  
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  December 16, 2017 12:03pm
kevn

Ted… The pensioners up in the winterless north, (who would have rather the proposed super increase stayed the untouched) are not as affected by those from the the deep South, with this half baked energy payment.
Classic lazy broad brush approach. Like most of the other fiscal launches from the triad of losers and liars.
One size doesn’t fit all.
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December 16, 2017 9:48am
- Paulus
  
  Peters appears to imply that he now lives in the cold Northland, and not in St Mary’s Bay in Auckland.
  So he will take his winter allowance if he does not lie to Winz for it.
  
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  December 16, 2017 1:05pm
cas

Being out of action in Auckland for two days to see Cat Stevens in concert I fear I may have missed something important in the last couple of days. Is Jacinda/Grant’s package going to mean that no child goes to school without breakfast? i think we should be told
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December 16, 2017 10:02am
- Jack5
  
  Cas, did you see any of the Stephie blogging team at the Yusuf Islam concert?
  
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  December 16, 2017 12:53pm
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
HOUSING LESSONS FROM THE UNITED STATES … STEPHEN SELWOOD … NEW ZEALAND HERALD

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11959841

These American metros do a magic trick that has eluded New Zealand’s local government.

Although they compete for urban development to keep housing affordable, they co-operate for the common good of economic development.

Infrastructure funding, financing, and governance lie at the heart many of our nation’s biggest challenges, underpinning the housing crisis and land supply, the poor state of our urban waterways, and poor health standards of drinking water. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Housing needs big investment in the future … OPINION Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure NZ … NZ Herald
h/t PH

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11959711

A severe lack of investment sits at the heart of New Zealand’s housing crisis.

We’ve underinvested in infrastructure, new homes, in skills and in our future.

The scale of investment now required is massive. We will spend as a country about $40 billion on construction this year.

In Auckland, just half the number of homes were delivered that were needed. … read more via hyperlink above …
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INFRASTRUCTURE NEW ZEALAND

https://infrastructure.org.nz/
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Access (13 to date) Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys … and too … further information … U.S bond financing / Municipal Utility Districts (left column) http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
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Further extensive posts via … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/12/links-15-december-2017/#comment-3017963 … and … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_15_december_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2100093
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December 16, 2017 10:03am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  The Great British Housing Disaster … Brendon Harre … Medium
  
  https://medium.com/land-buildings-identity-and-values/the-great-british-housing-disaster-885411247afc
  
  A cautionary tale of how efforts to improve housing can go wrong. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
  
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  December 16, 2017 10:15am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Huffington Post Canada reports …
    
    Watch Out, Canada: Half Of Housing Booms End In Crisis, Research Finds … Huffington Post Canada
    
    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/12/14/watch-out-canada-half-of-housing-booms-end-in-crisis-research-finds_a_23307206/
    
    Busts are likelier with housing markets than with stock markets, a New Zealand (Reserve Bank) study has found … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    December 16, 2017 7:21pm
softail 1450

the fucking idiot speaker quack,quack,mallard crowing about being called “the dingo” because he steals babies in the house ,FFS he’s making fun out of a baby that was actually dragged off and eaten by dingos in Aussie .
he’s as bigger moron outside the house as he is inside that place.
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December 16, 2017 10:22am
stephieboy

softail 1450, who actually cares in the real world out there other than some alt right lunatic down tickers on KB ?
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December 16, 2017 10:59am
- KevOB
  
  Why don’t you pester your own kind?
  
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  December 16, 2017 11:03am
- Harkman
  
  There is no such thing as the alt right. You Marxist.
  
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  December 16, 2017 11:29am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Go out and kiss some more feet mate.
  
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  December 16, 2017 7:04pm
tedbear

ztev

Perhaps being the Hon Speaker you will do the honourable thing and raise the Winter Energy Policy 2018 shortfall in the house before my MP gets my email and does so himself. That would be fun.
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December 16, 2017 11:25am
Harkman

So last night my TV was on One because we usually watch the Chase. On comes One News:

➡item #1: James “the eunuch” Shaw warned us about Climate change and took a shot at the National government about not releasing a coastal impact climate change report. But actually the last government actually did release coastal risk reports for places like Pegasus Bay, Sumner, and Banks Peninsula. The locals didn’t like it so they banded together and sued the government to keep it quite. So Nick Smith stopped the roll out. The amnesia of idiots like Dave Cull is spectacular. But what is worse was the footage of One News, who showed clips from the recent Heathcote flooding (or the Flockton basin which is fancy for Flockton street). Which only flooded because of stuffed piping design by the Council and the fact that the land has sunk 1-2m from the earthquakes.

➡item #2: Robertson was shown giving another $95m to fund managers to gamble with. So when in opposition any tax cuts for the rich was evil but when Socialists give them money to gamble with, that’s okay. Back about 5 years ago Winston was on Willie & JT saying about how NZ was rigged for stockbrokers. When Labour was last in power they gave the NZSF $9.2b by mid-2009 it was worth $7-8b, and the National government then forced Darwinian efficiency on them and it grew unsupported, this year Labour is giving $500m, the surest sign things are about to drop. Mark my words.

➡item#3: those poor dolphins.

By this time I got up and went out to buy my dinner. I wasn’t going to wait for them to start on Donald Trump.

Hosking was the only non-leftist/countervoice at this network and now he’s leaving. Great.
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December 16, 2017 11:26am
- Inandout
  
  Record ‘The Chase’ and play it back at your leisure, never needing to watch the news.
  
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  December 16, 2017 12:25pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

poisoned pig
https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/346324/suspect-meat-seemed-in-pristine-condition-after-35-days
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December 16, 2017 11:35am
- GazzaW
  
  Slightly off subject UN but isn’t the consumption of pork by Indians forbidden for both Hindus and Muslims? Pork is off limits to 98% of the Indian community.
  
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  December 16, 2017 12:00pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    They were christian indians. 2.3% christian in India, that’s more than Sikh or Buddhism, though along way behind Islam (14% ) and Hindu (80%)
    
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    December 16, 2017 1:33pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Except in NZ – seems like 80% turbans man.
      
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      December 16, 2017 7:00pm
RF

Has anyone read today’s Christchurch Press.

Apparently there is a photograph of the commie chic taken during a pre election Labour conference.

My mate advises that it is shocking and unbelievable a left wing rag would print it.

Would love to see it.
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December 16, 2017 11:42am
DifferentPerspective

How feminists suggest making themselves extinct

This would be awesome satire, if it wasn’t real.

These are the 10 key questions feminists should ask of whoever they’re dating. Here’s a peach of an example of how you impress your male date:

3. How do you work to dismantle sexism and misogyny in your life?

Seriously, you are in a bar with a nice girl you just met and the chemistry is looking good and then she asks you that question? For any normal (ie non-Guy Williams) male – you are going to instantly think to yourself:
1) Fuck! A bunny boiler
2) Must run away. Fast!

On the other hand it seems this was written by a dyke, so maybe it’s just a way for her to increase her pool of potential partners.

A fabulous example of libtardery if there ever was one.
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December 16, 2017 12:02pm
- softail 1450
  
  D P unbelievably New York City now recognise 31 different genders, it’s mind numbingly moronic.
  this is laid down in law FFS.
  Trump might be a little like any other American male ( not preened for decades for that high office) a bit blunt and doesn’t think before talking ,but he is the USA ‘s last chance to step back from the cliff that the likes of Clinton and Obama would have taken them over.
  
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  December 16, 2017 12:33pm
- Peter
  
  That was hilarious. The title should have been “how to end a date in under ten seconds”
  
  What is an “Intersectional Feminist”? A SJW at a road crossing?
  
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  December 16, 2017 1:11pm
DifferentPerspective

It’s not that the Green party is full of morons ….

… but how stupid do you have to be when you misspell “no” in Russian. Apparently the Greens think probably the most well known Russian word is “neyt”.

Oh dear, they really are such losers!

(screenshot here – just to preserve Gareth Hughes’ stupidity for posterity)
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December 16, 2017 12:29pm
Morrissey

Keep this creep out of our country.

Surely Matt Lauer (Groper No. 15 in our ongoing Daisycutter Sports series) fails to meet any character requirements to buy land here….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo8fF0lMPTI
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December 16, 2017 1:21pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  What a spiffing idea.
  
  I’d like to keep Obama out of NZ. After all he’s the guy that spawned ISIS and the refugee crisis in Europe.
  
  Admittedly, not as bad as creeping out a few dozen bimbos who’d do anything to get on TV – but still worthy of censure for the massive misery and loss of life caused because of Obama’s idiotic regime change policies (OMG – that regime change thing? Is that, like, interfering with another country’s internal workings – maybe he’s a Russian too).
  
  Yes let’s ban everything that offends us, that’s the way we should deal with problems children.
  
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  December 16, 2017 1:30pm
  - Morrissey
    
    I agree with you, my friend, about keeping Obama out.
    
    I annoyed the legendary diva Kim Hill a while back when I commented on the fawning reception that this country had given one of Obomber’s equally violent predecessors….
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-03102015-2/#comment-1077820
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-29092015/#comment-1076117
    
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    December 16, 2017 1:45pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Hats off to you Morrissey. Bloody brilliant!
      
      The mere hint of Ms Hill’s nasally moronic voice causes my hand to hit the off switch faster than a speeding bullet. She is the only person I know who manages to be totally wrong and up herself more often than Jack Tame.
      
      Her towering ego and dripping sanctimony would not have liked those obvious facts being pointed out to her.
      
      Again – well done!
      
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      December 17, 2017 4:52pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Cheers, Mr* Perspective. I appreciate your kind words.
        
        *Or are we talking with one of the ladies?
        
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        December 17, 2017 6:57pm
  - realityczech
    
    Last year Obama dropped over 26,000 bombs on civilians. Not one of whom had attacked the USA.
    
    But his last year was his least violent !
    
    https://www.stpete4peace.org/obama-fact-sheet
    
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    December 16, 2017 2:09pm
    - realityczech
      
      John Pilger summed up the past 8 years of Obama by writing, “according to a Council on Foreign Relations survey, in 2016 alone Obama dropped 26,171 bombs. That is 72 bombs every day. He bombed the poorest people on earth, in Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Syria, Iraq, Pakistan.
      
      “Every Tuesday reported The New York Times he personally selected those who would be murdered by mostly hellfire missiles fired from drones. Weddings, funerals, shepherds were attacked, along with those attempting to collect the body parts festooning the “terrorist target.”
      
      “Under Obama, the U.S. has extended secret “special forces” operations to 138 countries, or 70 per cent of the world’s population. The first African-American president launched what amounted to a full-scale invasion of Africa. Reminiscent of the Scramble for Africa in the late Nineteenth Century, the U.S. African Command (Africom) has built a network of supplicants among collaborative African regimes eager for American bribes and armaments.
      
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      December 16, 2017 2:11pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “I’d like to keep Obama out of NZ. After all he’s the guy that spawned ISIS and the refugee crisis in Europe.”
    
    Utter bollux !
    
    Imagine the NZ alt right getting together any kind of worthwhile protest action.
    
    Sigh !
    
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    December 16, 2017 4:06pm
    - realityczech
      
      stupidboy, no they don’t riot, assault and kill people and set fire to things like you lot do.
      
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      December 16, 2017 4:27pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Heh, if they caught Creepyboy perving the way he does I don’t think he would be too happy what they did to him.
        LOL!
        
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        December 16, 2017 4:55pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      What is it with libtards and protest action? You poor misguided loons think that public temper tantrums is a badge of honour. Whereas the rest of the ordinary, decent people think it’s just plain childish. When four lesbos protest about the treatment of transgender prisoners it’s not virtuous or brave or principled – it’s just people with mental health issues making a public display of their mental health issues. The same goes for every single protest movement where less than 5% of the population show up for it (ie all of them).
      
      Oh and I forgot – I should use the Polly the Parrot retort to your utter bollox response of “utter bollux”
      
      “Squawk! Proof! Examples! Squawk!”
      
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      December 16, 2017 6:44pm
Digmen1

Long Live Poland, Slovakia, Hundagry, Myanmar and now Austria!!

No muslims here please
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December 16, 2017 1:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  Digmen1 , they are already here ! About 50,000 of them.
  
  ( as reality tries without success to sink in )
  
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  December 16, 2017 4:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yep, about 50,000
    And you’re doing your best to perv at them as quick as you can say ‘Robert Harris’!!!
    LOL!!!!
    
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    December 16, 2017 4:53pm
  - Digmen1
    
    I usually say “No More Muslims Here.
    
    But as they are still coming and breeding, I have upped my game.
    
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    December 16, 2017 5:24pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    yes – the destruction of our South Pacific paradise is already underway. I’m presuming that Digimen1 is calling for the use of the precautionary principle that the left loves so much and a total cessation of the arrival of any more muslims until we can establish with uncertainty that the problems in Europe with muslim terrorism won’t arise here. If there is any risk of frothing muslims castrating concert goers (like they did in the Bataclan) or of young girls being blown up a la Manchester – can we really afford to take the chance? Surely only people who support murder and castration of innocents or dismembering young girls would support bringing any more followers of the religion piece(s) of little girls.
    
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    December 16, 2017 6:50pm
realityczech

A great article about Obama and Clinton from an old school lefty from way back.

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In 2014, the Obama’s administration oversaw and paid for a fascist-led coup in Ukraine against the democratically elected government, threatening Russia in the western borderland through which Hitler invaded the Soviet Union, with a loss of 27 million lives. It was Obama who placed missiles in Eastern Europe aimed at Russia, and it was the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize who increased spending on nuclear warheads to a level higher than that of any administration since the Cold War — having promised, in an emotional speech in Prague, to “help rid the world of nuclear weapons”.

Obama, the constitutional lawyer, prosecuted more whistleblowers than any other president in history, even though the U.S. Constitution protects them. He declared Chelsea Manning guilty before the end of a trial that was a travesty. He has refused to pardon Manning who has suffered years of inhumane treatment, which the United Nations says amounts to torture. He has pursued an entirely bogus case against Julian Assange. He promised to close the Guantanamo concentration camp and didn’t.

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/01/17/its-not-about-trump-but-us/
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December 16, 2017 2:17pm
- stephieboy
  
  rc, I take it the alt right and Trump would disapprove of this ,
  
  https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/30/obamas-gift-to-israel-and-lockheed/
  
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  December 16, 2017 4:14pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Alt right? You mean 50 fatties with a tiki torch?
    Mind you, they would all disapprove of perving little creeps ?
    LOL!
    
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    December 16, 2017 4:52pm
  - Jack5
    
    Somebody’s got to tell you Stephiestanis: there’s no space before a comma or before a full stop.
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:23pm
Johnboy

Jeeze for a moment I thought this was the socialist,stardust media having another go at poor old Bill.
Thank Christ it’s just their usual trivia! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/99924326/english-only-sign-for-staff-in-bay-of-plenty-supermarket
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December 16, 2017 2:33pm
- realityczech
  
  NYU librarian laments ‘fatigue’ from ‘presence of white people’
  
  – A New York University librarian recently felt compelled to pen a blog post bemoaning the “racial fatigue” she experiences “in the presence of white people” following an academic conference.
  
  -April Hathcock said that she “hit her limit” after spending five days “being tone-policed and condescended to and ‘splained to” by “white men librarians” and “nice white ladies.”
  
  Race fatigue is a real physical, mental, and emotional condition that people of color experience after spending a considerable amount of time dealing with the micro- and macro-aggressions that inevitably occur when in the presence of white people,” Hathcock wrote. “The more white people, the longer the time period, the more intense the race fatigue.”
  
  https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=9439
  
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  December 16, 2017 2:37pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I think any feminist type female named “Hathcock” would tend to suffer from serious mental problems Rc! 🙂
    
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    December 16, 2017 3:27pm
    - Inandout
      
      Maybe she is a lesbian with pangs of ‘sexual emergencies’, especially with a handle like that.
      
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      December 16, 2017 4:16pm
    - lofty
      
      Maybe she has a lisp ?
      
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      December 16, 2017 4:50pm
realityczech

‘Bows’ and ‘wrapped gifts’ now offensive on campus

An academic department at the University of Minnesota declared that “bows/wrapped gifts” are “not appropriate for gatherings and displays at this time of year.”

Encouraging employees to “consider neutral-themed parties such as ‘winter celebration,’” the document even suggests avoiding color combinations associated with Christmas or Hanukkah.

https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278
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December 16, 2017 2:40pm
- Inandout
  
  And from the same site:
  
  https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10275
  
  The poor wee anti Trump petals.
  
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  December 16, 2017 4:21pm
- GazzaW
  
  I assume that Ramadan gifting is actively discouraged as well.
  
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  December 16, 2017 5:09pm
- Digmen1
  
  To them I would say Get F…d
  
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  December 16, 2017 5:21pm
tedbear

ztev

Here’s an idea for you.
Seeing as you have so much trouble comprehending what’s in black and white, don’t listen to your own party’s policy announcements, and are a pretty useless Speaker, you’d be doing everyone a favour if you went fulltime child minding.
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December 16, 2017 2:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  child minding ? Anything you say teddy bear !
  
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  December 16, 2017 4:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    He’s pretty accomplished at it
    https://i.redd.it/on60poqxlvwz.jpg
    
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    December 16, 2017 4:42pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I think it would be unanimous that no one would want Stephie near their children.
    
    Hey Stephie, you must have been gutted that OTHER pervert Roy Moore lost.
    I can just see you two sitting in a booth together at the Diner perving at the jailbait.
    LOL!!!
    
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    December 16, 2017 4:48pm
GazzaW

I just received an invoice for my car reggo. I was astounded to find the total annual fee is just $80.01!

A far cry from the outrageous amounts paid under the last Labour administration when I recall invoices touching $300. Great work by the Nats as the amounts have progressively reduced as the parlous financial situation at ACC created by Labour has gradually been righted.

What’s the betting that Robbo will see our annual reggo fees as a new cash cow to help feed Labour’s handouts to the ‘needy’.
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December 16, 2017 5:53pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  And if the Greens were setting vehicle reg fees ?
  It’s on my ‘don’t think about stuff’ list.
  
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  December 16, 2017 7:21pm
- softail 1450
  
  gazzaW car rego will be well on the way back up by this time next year, the COL will work out a system where their voter base (the poor ,the needy, Pacifica and maori) will retain the current cheaper rates .
  
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  December 17, 2017 7:40am
All_on_Red

Never forget the greatest Christmas Twitter smackdown of all time
Funny.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQ1GPRhXUAAoA9N?format=jpg&name=900×900
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December 16, 2017 6:29pm
- sam green
  
  That’s gold. ?
  
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  December 16, 2017 6:56pm
- Brito
  
  Have to agree. Quietly wetting myself…not entirely from the laughter either.
  
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  December 16, 2017 9:33pm
Jack5

Kim Hill’s rough-up of Don Brash itself got a roughening up from veteran reporter Karl du Fresne in the DominionPost yesterday.

The newspaper, at least on its web site chose a flattering picture of Hill to go with the story. Was there a mix-up? Did they use a picture of Hill’s grand-daughter by mistake?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/99845282/Don-Brash-didn-t-stand-a-chance-against-Kim-Hill
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December 16, 2017 8:16pm
- softail 1450
  
  jack5. hill is a horrid human being ,try to imagine her downtrodden partners pitifull life .
  
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  December 17, 2017 7:47am
nasska

If you get caught thieving in NZ, the police take your fingerprints & release you.

If you get caught thieving in Saudi Arabia, the police take your fingerprints & you don’t get them back.
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December 16, 2017 8:22pm
- Jack5
  
  I think they take only half of them at a time, Nasska.
  
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  December 16, 2017 8:25pm
  - sooty
    
    Make you eat and wipe your arse with the same hand.
    
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    December 16, 2017 8:27pm
Jack5

Sometimes it seems the Christchurch City Council treats its ratepayers like a Bourbon king governing his peasants.

Citizens in Manchester Street have been complaining for years about prostitutes ruining their neighbourhood, but now the Prostitutes Collective (that is union), is seeking approval to open a “community welfare facility” on a property it has bought in Manchester Street.

It says it will have a staff of two, and the Christchurch Press reports the Ministery of Health has financed the collective since 1988 to support “the health, safety and well being” of prostitutes. True, the facility will not be open at night.

A council planner said adverse effects of the proposal would be limited to three adjacent properties. The owners-occupiers of these three properties are the only residents allowed to make submissions on the applications.

Legalising prostitution was a step forward, in my opinion, but there were unforeseen results. It wasn’t envisaged that residents would be subjected to the noise, rubbish, and abuse from prostitutes and their customers that some Manchester Street householders endure. Nor was State involvement to the extent of developing and providing safe work manuals for prostitution.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/99817064/prostitutes-collective-wants-to-set-up-new-base-in-christchurchs-manchester-st
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December 16, 2017 8:55pm
Jack5

Now a female American politician has been accused of sexually harassing a male employee.

She looks attractive in the photograph here. Would she really need to harass anyone?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/12/15/kansas-democrat-andrea-ramsey-drops-out-house-race-over-2005-harassment-suit.html
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December 16, 2017 9:27pm
- sam green
  
  Because it’s about power Jack5 not sex.
  
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  December 16, 2017 10:34pm
- Inandout
  
  The boot is now on the other foot, wow.
  
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  December 16, 2017 10:59pm
Manolo

Griff could have a heart attack after reading this:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/15/breaking-trump-to-remove-climate-change-as-a-national-security-threat/

The Trump administration will reverse course from previous Obama administration policy, eliminating climate change from a list of national security threats.

The National Security Strategy to be released on Monday will emphasize the importance of balancing energy security with economic development and environmental protection, according to a source who has seen the document and shared excerpts of a late draft.
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December 17, 2017 7:08am
realityczech

Put it this way, unlike EAD, so far I haven’t discerned that you believe in some sinister international Jewish conspiracy to corrupt and rule Gentiles. A few idiot religious extremist Rabbis, yeah. But not the Rothschilds…or the (((Bolsheviks))) ?

Like these idiot extremists ?

“Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” Ariel Sharon, Former Israeli Prime Minister Oct. 3, 2001

“The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel. It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties.” Ann Lewis, Senior Advisor to Hillary Clinton, Sister of Rep. Barney Frank
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December 17, 2017 8:50am
Dave Stringer

Macca
3 hours non-stop
41 songs
30,000 plus people all smiling & singing
GREAT night
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December 17, 2017 10:01am
Viking2

Meanwhile while the clowns in bullshit castle preen themselves and Robbo tells us that he has belief in NZ business it appears rightly that they actually have no idea what’s needed in today’s connected world.

Do you know that it is illegal to sell wine on the internet without all the palaver of the licensing regime or to sign a will digitally?

Our legislation is overwhelming and getting worse and no sign of change.
You know we are in trouble when NZ’s greatest legal luminary says we need to do something and hurry up.

New Zealand needs to make better law, and less of it, says Sir Geoffrey Palmer in front the old Government Buildings, now the Law School in Wellington.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/99800594/kiwi-laws-failing-to-keep-pace-with-disruption

Very interesting read and shows just why our productivity is going backwards.
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December 17, 2017 10:26am
Viking2

Further to my previous post here is information about bitchains. Now they will challenge all our commerce and other actions.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/99905784/forget-bitcoin-blockchain-technology-is-much-bigger

Need to learn more and quickly as the change is coming fast. Yours and my business is going to be affected by all of these things.
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