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Dave Mann

Hello Kiwiblggers, looks like it’s going to be a wonderful day here in the city of Sails. If I had a lazy quarter mil I think I’d like to buy a car park up here

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11959821

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December 15, 2017 8:23am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I need a lazy quarter mile to parallel park up here, I am poo at paraell parking
  
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  December 15, 2017 8:29am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Hahaha clever reply (my ‘mile’ was a typo which I spotted and corrected, but I wish I had left it coz your riposte is great. Cheers!
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:37am
    - Biscuit
      
      No, no, Dave…
      
      If someone corrects a faux pas you make in Chatland you don’t just lamely be good natured about it.
      
      You:
      * Call into question the marital status of the corrector’s parents at the time he/she was born
      * Slur his/her Mum or Dad for their lack of effort or commitment when you were in bed with him/her last night
      * Rubbish his/her sports team
      * Call his/her home town a dive
      * Threaten harm on his/her moggy/pooch
      * Blast his/her politics
      
      You know the form!
      
      PS
      
      You missed a chance to rubbish Paulus Gnome’s truly-pathetic ‘paraell’, heh heh..
      
      But best wishes to both of you for a safe, happy Christmas/New Year break.
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:05am
      - GazzaW
        
        ………and if you happen to be ztev then don’t forget to blame John Key.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:34am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Yes. I think there’s a fine line between a blog being constantly hijacked or becoming merely an echo chamber.
    
    I quite enjoy reading opinions that are contrary to my own because I can often learn something new…. but with some of these ravers you know that everything they say will be either off-the-wall bullshit or outright propaganda.
    
    What’s the solution? Brett68, how’s that troll blocking Chrome extension of yours coming along? 😛
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:11am
chuk

Red Radio has been reporting on finding the grave site containing the bodies of 12 soldiers and sailors from the battle at Ruapekapeka. They say this was the “country’s first major battle”.

Can this be right or should they be referring to the first major battle between maori and the British? It appears to ignore all those earlier battles between peace-loving iwi prior to the arrival of the dastardly foreigners. Time they changed their name to Revisionist Radio.
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December 15, 2017 8:25am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  On the same topic of Rabid red.
  
  The new budget is the point, with consideration to fiscal constraint so to provide the feckless with $,000’s of more reasons never to do anything for themselves, where we, the fiscally dragged challenged taxpayer, can stop spending money on keeping the stone-age language ‘alive’
  
  Using Google translator, I have found that Espiner’s morning preamble translates into ‘Good morning, I am the pretentious twat Guyon Espiner with a ho’’
  
  So many words for something that can be said in fewer words, something we already know and have learned to take for granted, and without any hint of the sanctimonious smugness that is the start to too many of my mornings!
  
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  December 15, 2017 8:27am
  - Morrissey
    
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    So you can’t handle even a few words of Te Reo. There are kids all over South Auckland who speak two, three, or even more languages, and here YOU are boasting about how useless you are.
    
    Sad.
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:32am
    - Longknives
      
      I speak two languages Morrissey (And a little of a third)
      Yet I don’t know a word of Maori and have no desire to ever learn.
      Does that make me ‘Useless’?
      
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      December 15, 2017 8:48am
      - Morrissey
        
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        Yes it does. I don’t believe your claim about the other languages.
        
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        December 15, 2017 8:52am
      - Longknives
        
        “I don’t believe your claim about the other languages”
        
        (I know I’m going to regret this but-)
        Why is that so hard to believe?? Lots of folk have travelled, lived overseas, speak more than one language etc..
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:00am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Amazing that you do not know any Maori words. Not to be a smart arse but we have Maori place names for a start, or do you mean words that you know the meaning of?
        
        I would also hazard a guess at a few others such as kai.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:05am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Morrissey,
        I don’t believe your claim about the other languages
        you are a doubting Thomas.
        If you think we are all liars here on KB, why waste your time with our fantasies?
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:25am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Si, yo tambien. Je parle deux autres langues et yī diǎn zhōng wèn, but no Maori because its a useless language that has almost no relevance to anything that interests me, frankly.
        
        The main advantages of and motivation for learning a language are either its usefulness or because one is interested in the culture. Neither of these apply to Maori as far as I’m concerned.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:30am
      - GazzaW
        
        “I don’t believe your claim about the other languages.”
        
        Don’t you dare contest that Longknives. You’re obviously nowhere nearly as smart as the condescending Mr Morrissey.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:50am
    - flipper
      
      More Morrissey rubbish.
      I see no need for the use of this stone age pidgin babble at any time, let alone on a media platform that I am forced to support financially…. and in Parliament ? Just PC rubbish and …… dumb.
      The adherents are entitled to their private use, nothing more.
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:10am
      - Victor Omega
        
        School prizegiving.
        Headmaster gets up, he’s an import.
        
        “tin of cocoa”
        “tin of cocoa”
        “tin of cocoa”
        “car door”
        
        It was so cringeworthy and fake, what’s the fkn point. Why not have a Maori greeting done (by, idk, Maori?) properly rather than force this poor bastard to conform.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:27am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Please stop trolling poor Morrissey, not a kind act on a nice Friday morning.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:50am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I can speak English and have a smattering of Greek, French, Turkish and ‘strylian.
      
      From my Greek repertoire, I offer you the word malaka
      
      The Urban dictionary is your friend today
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:28am
      - hullkiwi
        
        I hope you aimed that at Morrissey (I spent a year listening to Greek post grad students use it in exclamation).
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:21pm
    - lifesgood
      
      “There are kids all over South Auckland who speak two, three or even more languages”
      It’s a shame English isn’t one of them.
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:43am
      - Huevon
        
        “Gissa smoke brov”
        “Gotta dolla cunt”
        “wadda fuk u lookin at”
        
        I’m not familiar with the language of South Auckland, a kind of pidgin possibly.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:51am
      - Paulus
        
        If they cannot speak or read English then they cannot actually translate what they say, do, or go to school – which I suppose many do not anyway.
        I suppose that Maccas and KFC is interchangeable.
        
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        December 15, 2017 10:49am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Huevon, same pidgin in London. Amazing how international Souff Ockland pidgin is?
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:24pm
      - Flash
        
        Nigel Kearney, you are incorrect.
        
        ‘yous’ is both singular AND plural. Old English usage has been discarded in some regions.
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:39pm
    - Huevon
      
      This is precisely why the Maori language will fail. For the lefties like Morrissey and Guyon Espiner, it’s all about proving your PC creds and being superior to the wrong kind of white people. It has nothing to do with communication, which is, you know, the whole point of a language.
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:44am
      - Dave Mann
        
        @Huevon: if you’re going to succeed linguistically with exotic cultures, please at least try to get the grammar correct.
        
        Its not “wadda fuk u lookin at”. The proper mode of address is “wadda fuk yoos lookin at”
        
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        December 15, 2017 10:21am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Not necessarily, ‘u’ is the singular and ‘use’ is the plural. It depends how many people are looking.
        
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        December 15, 2017 11:02am
      - Jack5
        
        Dead right, Huevon – Radio NZ and Morrissey Breen are helping to kill the Maori language. Fewer Maori now speak it, and Espiner and Breen are putting non-Maori off learning the language.
        
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        December 15, 2017 11:15am
      - Brito
        
        My favourite is ‘aksk’ which I believe is pigeon for ‘ask’.
        
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        December 15, 2017 11:57am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      I teach a lot of those kids from South Auckland who are supposedly so multilingual. True, some know a smattering of other languages, but very few are actually fluent in any language. (Unless Gangsta Speak is a language). I consider myself reasonably fluent in English and can converse with degrees of success in three others although I would not consider myself fluent. However, I am getting more and more irritated with the lack of respect for one of our Official languages as it is constantly bastardised with interjections from another. The only time it is suitable to use a foreign word is where no suitable word exists in the language. Eg schadenfreude – As there is no succinct English version of the word, English-speaking peoples have approximated this word.
      
      By the way, Morrisey, how many languages are you fluent in?
      
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      December 15, 2017 12:55pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  They say this was the “country’s first major battle”.
  
  Logically, if this land was not a “country” prior to this battle, then the statement would be correct.
  
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  December 15, 2017 8:32am
  - cmm
    
    I don’t think it was considered a country then either, not even a dominion.
    
    Perhaps a colony?
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:44am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      probably a “cuntry”
      
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      December 15, 2017 12:59pm
  - Jack5
    
    It’s questionable whether it was a major battle. On the scale of the battles the British fought around the world that century, it was quite small, and many of the other NZ battles were skirmishes.
    
    On CMM’s point, wasn’t New Zealand initially part of New South Wales?
    
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    December 15, 2017 11:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They do mean the first major confrontation between British troops and some Maori.
  (Remember Tamati Waka Nene and other Ngapuhi were fighting with the British side)
  http://www.ruapekapeka.co.nz/read/northern-war
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:38am
- Harkman
  
  There’s a chapter in Guns, Germs and Steel about Te Rauparaha etc slaughtering all the Mori Ori on the Chathams, which preceded this. Naturally the white guy had reparations for this incident.
  
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  December 15, 2017 10:43am
- Paulus
  
  It is Maori Revisionist Radio.
  After many years I no longer take it on when my alarm rings.
  I cannot speak Maori so do not understand.
  
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  December 15, 2017 10:46am
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The Grand Rapids police force consists of Michigan’s worst and stupidest.

Honestie’s unfortunate brush with the law happened last Wednesday when she was confronted by officers as she was leaving her house by a back door to go to the store.

“They had police cars all over this street, they had police cars all along the alley,” she said.

Honestie said the officers had their guns drawn and they ordered her to walk backwards with her hands up. Then after slapping on some handcuffs, she said they patted her down and they took her to the waiting squad car.

“When my mom was walking past, I was putting my hands through the little bars, banging on the windows screaming, ‘Please don’t let them take me!'” she said.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michigan-police-under-fire-cuffing-11-year-old-girl-holding-n829521

http://www.newsweek.com/11-year-old-black-girl-screams-life-officers-handcuff-her-747016

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/12/13/video-shows-officers-handcuffing-a-shrieking-11-year-old-at-gunpoint/?utm_term=.a1fc7698a927
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December 15, 2017 8:29am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Shriek and scream at police. Yes. That will go down well.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:08am
  - Morrissey
    
    あなたは本当に無知です。
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:21am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Congrats, Morrisey.
      Welcome to Google.
      
      ”よく分かっていない。”　Would be a little more polite way of expressing yourself.
      (Note that Japanese omits the subject of the sentence. This feature plays havoc with machine translators like Google. Run this sentence through Google and the system will assume that the subject is “I” when it is actually “you.”)
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:51am
      - stephieboy
        
        You might like to have ago and translating this into Japanese for us ?
        
        https://www.ageofconsent.net/world/japan
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:56am
      - Jack5
        
        Trust Stephie X to know the age of consent in Japan. Stephie X is notorious for ogling women at supermarkets and for putting up a link on Kiwiblog to a porn site.
        
        Some Muslims in Britain haven’t worried about the age of consent as they abused young English girls en masse, have they Stephie X?
        
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        December 15, 2017 11:22am
    - BrasellBrush
      
      a na ta ha bain daang ni wu zhee dai su
      
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      December 15, 2017 12:59pm
- KevOB
  
  You have now earned the “Hugh” award.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:27am
  - Morrissey
    
    ????
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:30am
  - Biscuit
    
    ‘HUGH’
    
    An acronym for:
    
    Horrendously Unreadable Gathering of Hyperlinks
    
    ?
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:33am
    - Morrissey
      
      Ha ha ha ha ha! B-r-r-r-r-r-ILLIANT! Well done, Biscuit!
      
      https://i.imgflip.com/1cx5fe.jpg
      
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      December 15, 2017 12:06pm
- Ed Snack
  
  And here’s a difference with “conservative” commenters – that action was entirely wrong and the relevant “officers” should be at a minimum suspended and charged. Mistreatment is mistreatment and we don’t care if the person involved was any specific colour or age. Most on the left would have laughed and said she’d got what she deserved if the child was white.
  
  There’s a single reason I can think of that the officers might be able use as a reason for their behaviour – that they were concerned that the child was at risk from her aunt who might try to use her as a hostage. However the way they handcuffed the child would make that extremely difficult to maintain and I suspect that a jury would agree.
  
  Is it worth noting that Grand Rapids has a Democrat Mayor and council and has had for a long time? Plus poor child with a name like “Honestie”
  
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  December 15, 2017 10:06am
softail 1450

I had to laugh yesterday when Gareth Morgan said he won’t be standing for parliament again as he couldn’t stand being in that zoo if he actually succeeded winning 5% and entered the place .
what a fricking tosser ,so much for dedication to the cause he didn’t want to be in parliament ,,,WTF.
So what the silly prick really wanted to do was waste 5,000,000 dollars, he’s behaving like fucking greeny.
my kids call him Concorde because with that nose and those ears if bent over and run down the road he’d look like the Concorde taking off.
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December 15, 2017 8:30am
- G152
  
  That’s okay. Most of us can’t stand the Gareth
  
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  December 15, 2017 10:06am
Nukuleka

The government spends millions of taxpayer dollars annually to encourage Maori language, yet the percentage of Maori capable of holding a conversation in their language dropped between 1996 and 2013 from 25% to 21.3%. It would seem that Maori themselves have little interest in speaking their native tongue.

Those in power in Aotearoa/ NZ have come up with the the obvious solution to prevent the continued decline of Maori: if Maori can’t be bothered to learn it then force pakeha NZers to learn it instead. Problem solved!
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December 15, 2017 8:31am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I would have though that people whose blood is less than 50% Maori (i.e., Pakeha in the Japanese sense) would comprise the vast majority of those learning Te Reo and pumping it full of modern synthetic terminology (doing their best to avoid transliteration*) to force it to cope with the new world.
  
  * English “computer”
  Japanese (transliteration of English) “konputa”
  Maori (purity and mana mean we cannot “borrow” from another language) “rorohiko”
  
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  December 15, 2017 8:39am
  - mandk
    
    Actually, te reo borrows form another language very frequently.
    
    Koa Kirihimete! (for example).
    
    Time for kawhe.
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:50am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    ‘Te reo’ – a term indicating that no other language exists. Totally inward-looking. If we started calling English ‘the language’ we’d be in trouble.
    
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    December 15, 2017 1:46pm
- CHFR1
  
  Yes my daughter is being forced to do it next year at college. She already speaks Mandarin and is going to take up Latin next year and I see no reason for her to learn a language she will never use in daily life.
  
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  December 15, 2017 8:50am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Your daughter may need to have a certain certified level of Te Reo ability if she want to become a state employee, such as a teacher, hospital worker, WINZ staffer, etc.
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:02am
    - CHFR1
      
      Hence the reason I am steering her to a “real”job. 🙂
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:30am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Are you talking about Latin?
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:02am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Well Captain, she will use Latin, but she will never use it.
      It all depends on what you mean by the word “use.”
      Speak it? (No)
      Apply it? (Definitely)
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:05am
      - ztev
        
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        So shes thinking of becoming a Roman catholic Priest. ?
        Latin being an official language of the Church.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:35am
      - rangitoto
        
        Latin, ancient Greek, even being able to read cuneiform, or linear B is more useful that Maori
        
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        December 15, 2017 10:43am
      - Harkman
        
        I actually recommend learning Latin. You can understand Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, the history of words, you can study medicine and biology or get a job creating new names for products or companies.
        
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        December 15, 2017 10:48am
      - Jack5
        
        Ztev, knowledge of Latin is useful even in learning a language such as Russian, which has complicated grammar. Both are of the Indo-European language family.
        
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        December 15, 2017 11:26am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Harkman, theoretically yes, but during years of Latin at school, we spent too much time on grammar and sentence structure to built up a really good vocabulary. It might have been more useful to either learn a lot of Latin vocabulary or just learn one of the related languages you listed.
        
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        December 15, 2017 1:50pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Anyone know the translation of “Fuck Off, Cunt”, in Latin? Google translate is not helpful and I only know the Mass in Latin where this phrase does not occur often. I’d like to use it on a specific Troll here.
      
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      December 15, 2017 1:10pm
      - Brito
        
        “Fanculo via fica”
        
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        December 15, 2017 3:42pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        It is so easily to swear in English, with its nouns (that refer to sexual organs or bodily fluids/solids) and verbs (that reference sexual activity).
        
        Japanese has no such recourse.
        
        However, Japanese does have a couple of deadly personal pronouns that would only be used in the direst of circumstances when physical violence is imminent.
        In all my years, I have only heard them uttered in movies; never in real life.
        
        The closest equivalent in English would be the (now extinct) centuries-old challenge “On Guard!” (And with a similar outcome expected.)
        
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        December 15, 2017 5:56pm
  - KevOB
    
    It’s a fossil. There is some use for it on Marae but only at the level of serious cultural involvement. That requires knowledge not imparted otherwise.
    
    Teaching in schools can only be political as the utility is zero. That could be negative as it wastes resources and pupils time.
    
    Do we really want to have English peppered with transliterated English re-loaned words?
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:36am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “English beats up other languages in dark alleys, then rifles through their pockets for loose grammar and spare vocabulary.”
      
      (source unknown)
      
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      December 15, 2017 10:04am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      That’s what makes English so great. So many different ways of expressing the same idea. Go the German way or the French way. I can’t remember which English novel starts with characters complaining that if you’re a Saxon peasant you looked after the cows and swine, but if you were the rich French owner you’d actually get the beef and pork.
      
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      December 15, 2017 1:58pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Good on your daughter, CHFR1. Latin is extremely valuable for all sorts of reasons. Doctors, lawyers, horticulturists, historians etc. find it really useful. It is an important root of English, but you wouldn’t expect brain dead idiots like ztev to understand that.
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:50am
    - Flash
      
      I had to read and understand Latin in 3rd form. And translate – it was a nightmare getting all the tenses right – we learnt the verbs by rote.
      I managed it for 3 years and then was (thankfully) able to drop it for School Cert.
      But it gave me an appreciation of languages. French was a breeze.
      
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      December 15, 2017 12:48pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        I wish they’d just offered me French or Italian. Same useful vocab. and much more fun and modern use.
        
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        December 15, 2017 1:59pm
  - Inandout
    
    Our English language is based on Latin, among other languages, to quite an extent. You can work out the derivative of an English word if Latin is involved, but for the life of me I can’t trace most words back to Maori (unless slang).
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout , the English language is Germanic based with some Latin derivatives . I’m sure you would get the same effect if Te Reo was exposed over centuries to similar kinds of influences .
      
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      December 15, 2017 10:01am
      - Jack5
        
        What same effect?
        
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        December 15, 2017 11:29am
  - G152
    
    She should reply to all the Te Reo course in Mandarin. 🙂
    
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    December 15, 2017 10:08am
- KevOB
  
  Exactly. The language is not fit to hold a modern conversation in. Throughout Polynesia English is being preferred and local languages have been changing to English sentence patterns. We hear that on Maori news.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:34am
  - stephieboy
    
    How Japanese vocabulary is being destroyed by English
    
    “Many Japanese words are dying nowadays… (disappearing from everyday usage) They are replaced by English words written in Katakana (one of the Japanese writing systems). This happens every week, every day…
    Many people don’t know about this, but those who have studied Japanese and experienced how the language is used in Japan probably know what I mean.
    
    A crash course in Japanese:
    knife, table, spoon, fork, size, cup, bottle, free, choice, pattern, curtain, juice, shop, card, cocktail, glass, color, event, ball pen, coin, light, lamp, arcade, mall, world, sale, bargain, open, ticket, bed, generation, tea, violin, hall, love letter, soccer… and thousands more. These words were the ones I could quickly, spontaneously think of. It’s perfectly normal to use them in everyday conversation. …”
    
    http://www.antimoon.com/forum/2005/7107.htm
    
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    December 15, 2017 10:07am
    - Jack5
      
      Japanese will survive because it adapts and incorporates.
      
      Taxpayers are funding people to create new words for Maori, as they would for Klingon, and Maori is dying.
      
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      December 15, 2017 11:31am
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 , as you say Japanese survives because it adapts and incorporates unlike say French . Te Reo will survive as there enough Maori and Non Maori around who are willing to learn it .
        
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        December 15, 2017 11:37am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        “who are willing to learn it .” Make that “forced to”.
        
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        December 15, 2017 2:01pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Oh, stephieboy…
      
      I really shouldn’t but…. but…
      
      Bwwwaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!!!
      
      (Sorry.)
      
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      December 15, 2017 6:06pm
      - Brito
        
        That’s very, very funny.
        
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        December 15, 2017 8:58pm
- Kiwi Dave
  
  Evidence that people who are not interested in learning a language don’t learn it or largely neglect it when no longer forced to use it is ignored by our self-righteous masters.
  
  On a related topic, after repeated, vague assertions on GD about the educational benefits of learning a second language, having taught for several decades through various educational fads supported by more enthusiasm than evidence, I recently started searching the Internet (OK, it’s not the most reliable source) for relevant evidence and specific, substantiated learning outcomes. So far, it seems that:
  1) There is evidence of publication bias against studies which do not support the terrific benefits narrative.
  2) Some published studies report contradictory results.
  3) The greatest benefits occur in family and social situations unlikely to be true for the vast majority of compulsory Maori learners.
  4) Internet reports of these studies often omit clear quantitative statements of outcomes.
  5) Internet reports also omit necessary detail about the adequacy of controls and how concepts were operationalised.
  
  These were common problems back in the day when I regularly read educational research, a great deal of which was junk science, hence the popularity of meta studies.
  
  To be fair, you could probably embarrass any educator defending or proposing any national compulsory policy by asking exactly what percentage of students will benefit in what way by how much by when as a consequence of that policy.
  
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  December 15, 2017 10:40am
  - stephieboy
    
    Kiwi Dave , recall nobody is forcing you to learn or use Te Reo !
    
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    December 15, 2017 11:39am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You are unaware of Green policy, I take it.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96842839/greens-lay-out-plan-for-compulsory-te-reo-mori-in-all-schools
      
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      December 15, 2017 6:13pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Very good post. Leftie Feelz overrides data.
    
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    December 15, 2017 12:26pm
Captain Mainwaring

The process is under way, so it’s time for a re-run………

Ode to Grant Robertson
With apologies to Kenny Rogers’ ‘The Gambler’

On the cozy front benches of a Government bound for stardom
I sat next to the gambler, we were getting up to speed
We looked at those around us and all we saw were numpties
The terror came upon us, and he began to speak

He said: “Cindy, I’ve spent my life as a loyal Labour servant
Knowing how to dodge the knives and aim them in return
If you want to keep this job you’ll need me right behind you
‘Cause our losers’ coalition has heaps of stuff to learn”

I asked him what I need to do to earn the country’s favours
And right on cue he told me that we have to rob the rich
He wants to bet the future on shifting all the money
From those who make it happen to those lying in the ditch

You’ve got to know when to screw ’em
Know when to shaft ‘em
Know when to ream them out
And know when to squeeze
When it’s not your money
You can use it how you want to
There’ll be time enough to dish it out
Or throw it to the breeze

Every lefty knows that the passage to Nirvana
Is knowin’ who to cast aside and knowin’ who to pay
Rich Pricks need to know that we will come a-knocking
‘Cause their money’s really ours at the end of every day

And when he finished burbling on he sat there looking smarmy
I said: “So Grant, are you the key to all the country’s dreams?”
I wasn’t quite prepared for his unexpected answer
“With Winston’s fingers in the pie it’s not quite what it seems.”

You’ve got to know when to screw ‘em
Know when to shaft ‘em
Know when to ream them out
And know when to squeeze
When it’s not your money
You can use it how you want to
There’ll be time enough to dish it out
Or throw it to the breeze
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December 15, 2017 8:31am
- softail 1450
  
  C M very good .
  
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  December 15, 2017 8:56am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  Gold !
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:01am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  I couldn’t read it sorry… I had to sing it in my head. Well done
  
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  December 15, 2017 12:08pm
NK

I was amazed and staggered to hear Susan St John on TV3 this morning, in response to the commentary on Labour’s welfare package, state with absolute conviction that the previous National government had gutted Working for Families.

I mean I don’t follow it that closely, but surely that’s a barefaced lie isn’t it? I am sure National *Increased* WFF at the last budget.
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December 15, 2017 8:31am
- Keeping Stock
  
  You’re dead right NK.
  
  The problem Key and English faced was that the cunning Michael Cullen had embedded WFF so deeply that to dismantle it would have been electoral suicide.
  
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  December 15, 2017 8:36am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Barefaced lies are what partisans have to come up with when the other side does something they should approve of.
  
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  December 15, 2017 2:06pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Hosking and Street are quitting 7 Sharp, effective tonight.
The lefty takeover of the MSM is almost complete.
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December 15, 2017 8:34am
- VicParking
  
  I suspect it wont be long before the speakers appear on lampposts so we can all hear the great leader.
  
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  December 15, 2017 8:39am
  - Morrissey
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Anything—ANYTHING—is better than the sight of Bill Cosby’s greatest fan Mike Hosking pontificating and Street simpering….
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-05022016/#comment-1129563
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:42am
    - Chris R
      
      I agree. Street is a drip.
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:15am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      What a surprise; Morrissey link-whores to a comment HE made at The Standard.
      
      You need to see a professional for help about your Look At Me Syndrome Morrissey.
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:24am
      - Swifty
        
        A relentless attention seeker.
        
        The bloke has issues.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:45am
- Morrissey
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js&list=RDPHQLQ1Rc_Js#t=3
  
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  December 15, 2017 8:39am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Is it just me, or do Morrissey and Ztev wake up each and every morning with a renewed determination to present themselves to the world as a pair of negative, nasty, jealous haters and wreckers?
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:54am
  - softail 1450
    
    moronissey ,F/O idiot.
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:58am
- KKKKatee
  
  I’m certainly not sorry to see Street go, but I am somewhat a wee bit sad to see Hosking go. The show would have been much better if it was only Hosking I think. It evolved into a shallow talkfest in the end. I just love the cut and thrust of good current affairs, and we haven’t seen that type of content for quite some time. I can’t be bothered with Q&A these days. It will be interesting to see who fills the spot……
  As I don’t watch Breakfast anymore due to the current lineup, I just hope TVNZ doesn’t promote Hilary Barry to the role.
  Good journalists are as rare as hens’ teeth these days. I was always of the opinion that Street was very average and, quite honestly, I wondered how on earth she got the job in the first place.
  
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  December 15, 2017 8:43am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I like that Carolyn Robinson who stood in regularly for Toni Street. Please, oh please don’t make it that weird Tim bloke who does the lame interviews on 7Sharp. Sad to say Jack Lame is probably the front runner. Nevermind, we have NETFLIX. ?
    
    The truth is whoever they replace them with won’t have to try very hard to be better than the lot on TV3 at 7pm.
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:47am
    - lifesgood
      
      That “weird Tim bloke” was actually TV’s foreign correspondent, based in New York, for several years. He did a mighty fine job of it too. What he does on 7 Sharp is what he is proscribed to do. I would love to see him given a proper job, he’d be good at it.
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:54am
      - Biscuit
        
        Agreed, lifesgood.
        
        Tim’s role on Seven Sharp is ‘light filler guy’.
        
        He does that well.
        
        As you point out, he did well in his stint in New York.
        
        I’d like to see him in a frontman role on Seven Sharp, too.
        
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        December 15, 2017 11:25am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Toni Street was obliged to simper on an almost nightly basis, but she staged a memorable protest one evening early last year….
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16032016/#comment-1147181
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:51am
  - softail 1450
    
    kkkkatee, oh god anything but Hillary Barry ……
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:00am
    - pdm
      
      Or anything but Jack Tame.
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:12am
      - Morrissey
        
        Jack Tame has, pathetically, pretended to admire “The Hosk”….
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-16072015/#comment-1044978
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-26082015/#comment-1062948
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:12pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      Agreed. I haven’t watched Breakfast since they gave the other team the bum’s rush to install Barry in the driver’s seat. Certainly won’t be watching Seven Sharp if Barry & Tame suddenly become co-hosts.
      They are very, very shallow indeed.
      
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      December 15, 2017 10:22am
      - Morrissey
        
        But compared to Mike Hosking, they’re deeper than the freaking Mariana Trench.
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:28pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      It’s looking like Barry has signed deal to move to Seven Sharp. I’m now wondering that’s why Hosking decided to leave. I can’t understand why they need a co-host. I was always hoping Street would either leave or not get her contract renegotiated as I believed she did nothing for the show other than downgrade it. Looks like TVNZ aren’t seeing the light. I don’t watch Breakfast as a result of Barry’s pontificating and all the other ho hum people , so I certainly won’t be watching Seven Sharp either, nor The Project for that matter. I think there comes a time for these presenters to ride off into the sunset – they become overdone imo. Bring back Paul Henry!
      
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      December 15, 2017 1:20pm
  - softail 1450
    
    kate ,no no no please not jack lame ,but he’s in the running with his new moodi language degree.
    of course going against jack is the fact that he’s not gay.(I think)
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:04am
  - oldpark
    
    Rachel Smalley from Lardo and Heifers comments regarding NZs females.who weigh more than 70kgs.
    Just a guess. She was raging when Mike got the job ahead of her.
    Of course her now getting the crumbs of Mike dust is just a guess.
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:06am
    - RF
      
      Our Rachel has gone as well. Finished in a flood of tears at 6am this morning.
      
      Flying out to U.K. with family tonight.
      
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      December 15, 2017 10:17am
      - RalphT
        
        Gone but not forgotten. And certainly not missed. I was going to add that the early morning slot can only but improve, but with Mrs Hosking in charge I’m not too sure. But we should at least give her a chance.
        
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        December 15, 2017 10:45am
      - lifesgood
        
        Lol! Did she fly out in a huff after being told that, once again, she wouldn’t get Mike’s job? Good riddance, I say.
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:52pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    It sounds like Hosking chose to resign after they decided to replace Street with Barry.
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:53am
    - RF
      
      Don’t blame him. She has the personality of a bucket of wet sand.
      
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      December 15, 2017 10:24am
      - Lance
        
        I would go for a bottle of lemon juice myself. Leftist sourpuss
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:12pm
- Inandout
  
  Hosking has realised that the 7pm slot on TV has been taken over by streaming. I can’t remember the last time I watched any 7pm show.
  
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  December 15, 2017 10:02am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And the rumour is that Hosking and Street will be replaced by Commo Campbell and Hilary Barry.
  Oh f**k, that’s all we need.
  
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  December 15, 2017 12:56pm
VicParking

Red radio this morning interviewed both Robbo and Joyce. In bringing kids out of poverty they failed to ask Robbo how can he insure that the $60 a week and other payments will be spent on childern and not ciggies and booze.
Kim Hill was destroyed by Joyce, she is so light weight. She asked him if he will be accepting the $460 heating payment. His answer, ‘I will think about it in ten years when I’m 65, thats if its still around’ chuk: stole my thunder good on you.
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December 15, 2017 8:36am
- waikatogirl
  
  How many babies are going to be born for that $60/wk? Too stupid to work out it is going to cost more than that to raise a child.
  
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  December 15, 2017 8:52am
- Maxx
  
  Surely Winston will be the first to ensure he is opting out of receiving this heating payment. He is a man of principle of course /s
  
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  December 15, 2017 10:49am
  - KiWombat
    
    Watch this space – I’ll lay bets that he will claim one payment for the bach, and his concubine will claim another for the house. There you go Whinny, prove me wrong!
    
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    December 15, 2017 11:17am
  - VicParking
    
    Was asked. Said he lived in tropical northland and would not need it. Sideswiped if he would take it.
    $700 a very good bottle of whiskey??
    
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    December 15, 2017 1:21pm
- KKKKatee
  
  How naive. Guess where the extra $60 will go?
  On booze, drugs etc. Nothing will change for the kids. And guess what, we’re gonna accept the $460 heating payment on principle. Stuff em!
  
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  December 15, 2017 1:24pm
Keeping Stock

I’ve finally worked it out, having read through the Golriz Ghahraman thread that precedes this one. The “ztev” id is shared by James Shaw and Guy Williams 😀
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December 15, 2017 8:37am
Random T Person

I see shotputter Jacko Gill has myocarditis.

I also see use of anabolic steroids is linked to myocarditis.

And Chris Froome is one serious salbutamol monster.
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December 15, 2017 8:39am
- Biscuit
  
  Mmmm, Random.
  
  I am just a tad cynical at how often ‘top’ athletes come down with ailments that require treatment by banned substances or substances that MASK banned substances.
  
  I love watching Sky’s coverage of the Tour de France. Not so much for the sport anymore but rather to catch the superb scenic shots that get thrown up.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:11am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so Biscuit. Isn’t it remarkable how many members of the British cycling team required regular asthma medication.
    
    I wonder if Salbutamol has any properties which enable it to mask the presence of other drugs in the bloodstream…
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:27am
    - Harkman
      
      Apparently the legal Salbutamol limit is very generous so they don’t catch anyone unnecessarily, like 10-20 puffs in 4 hrs, Froome had double the limit. When interviewed that day he looked physically fine. Since they started testing with the ABP athletes can no longer get away with massive amounts of epo, steriods, blood transfusions, SARMs etc but they all now microdose or use grey area products. Brit’s are on the cutting edge of all of this and mark my words their rugby players are the worst, they are doping big time.
      
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      December 15, 2017 11:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I got myocarditis about 15 years ago. (Woke up feeling a bit off colour – went to work, but told to go home as I looked grey… could barely walk up hill to house…taxi to medical centre, ambulance to A&E…)
  
  Cause unknown.
  I am very suspicious that it resulted from a slight ear infection some months earlier.
  
  Good news was that a course of ibuprofen had me up & about within 24 hours.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:51am
  - Biscuit
    
    But how many Tours de France did you go on to win, Maggy?
    
    15 years should by now have given your system long enough to flush out all the drugs hidden within the IbuprofenExtra that is available to top athletes!
    
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    December 15, 2017 11:30am
- Harkman
  
  myocarditis can come from like a million different things.
  
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  December 15, 2017 11:06am
  - Flash
    
    Myocarditis is inflammation of the myocardium, which is the outer sac of the heart. If it is not treated promptly the inflammation results in a loss of elasticity and the muscular contractions of the heart become constricted.
    
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    December 15, 2017 1:03pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Jacko caught it through a virus he had.
  
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  December 15, 2017 11:45am
oldpark

A special mention to the sour faced grinch and a pest for all reasons and seasons a guy called Peters . Peters the rat bag who made sure that there would be no tax cuts for low income earners. The fix was also in for no Super increase for poor old Pensioners on fixed incomes.
To hear the Peters selected Lie-bour guy ,the fat controller Robertson and a liar ranting on about the tax cuts helping the higher paid.
Aided and abetted by our Fake news Mainstream Media.
To think that taxpayers on very low wages and were about to receive a tax cut,have now missed out . the National Government promised tax cut,also voted for by the sour faced grinch Peters was to read like this.Until he got an income of Circa 400,000-$500,000 per year.Then voted down the tax cuts.
Tax on income up to $22,000 was to be 10.5%.
Tax on income over that up to $52,000 was to be 17.50%
To think that the fat controller Robertson and a liar can call tax cuts like that for the wealthy is an abomination.
Seems anyone who have no children or are single will not be eligible for any taxcuts or an amount of benefit handout up to a total of $163 extra dollars per week. Whats going on . Thanks to wee dictator Peters thats what is going on .
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December 15, 2017 8:43am
- softail 1450
  
  O P, if it wasn’t for the gnomes $100.00 haircuts he would be the ugliest prick in parliament (inwardly and outwardly ).
  the little bastard will have to cough for what he’s doing to our country,,,,,
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:16am
Nukuleka

Many commenters here on KB have little time for WO but it has to be said that Slater and his moderating team would not put up with the type of trolling that ztev and Morrissey go in for. Morrissey’s comments appear to be those of a drug-fuelled obsessive, just a lone wolf cocking his keg against any old tree he takes a fancy to, but there is something a mite more disturbing about ztev- a paid Labour party hack/ hackette- or group of hacks/ hackettes?

Slater would have banned both Morrissey and ztev- and Hugh as well- by now. That they have not been so banned says a lot for the patience of our gracious host. He is a more patient and generous person than I!
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December 15, 2017 8:48am
- peterwn
  
  Perhaps the answer may be reduce the downtick majority (I think it is 30) to (say) 10 before the post is hidden (unless you click on it). Hiding the post seems to be a reasonable deterrent but allowing a reader to see it if he really wants to bluntens any claim of censorship.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:22am
  - KevOB
    
    Perhaps another category could be accepted but hidden from the outset.
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:45am
  - ztev
    
    I just have to work harder to earn those toasters and vegetable slicers.
    I really want a foot massager for Xmas so its pedal to the metal
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:46am
  - Morrissey
    
    Indeed, peter, the words “Hidden due to low comment rating” are effectively code for: You really need to read this!!
    
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    December 15, 2017 12:55pm
    - Flash
      
      Really? I just scroll by.
      I think hiding at 10 downticks would be a GOOD THING
      
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      December 15, 2017 1:08pm
    - Garbageman
      
      I would guarantee most here on seeing your name would start rapidly scrolling past comment rating or not btw as a full flyblown leftard it must hurt when you get multiple bans from the mothership of tards The Standard if those dropkicks cant be bothered with your tripe did it really surprise you at how your bizarre and confusing rants are received here
      
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      December 15, 2017 1:26pm
- flipper
  
  Heh Nukuleka…..
  As someone once famously said: “When a dog pisses against a lamp post he is not being a vandal. He is just being a dog.”
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:24am
- dime
  
  yeah the ztev thing is reaching the fuck off and die stage.
  
  it started out just a regular leftie shit head.. but its gone full retard.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:26am
- Ed Snack
  
  Nah, ztev is just trolling but Morrisey is occasionally funny and on point. Not that I suspect they want support from me…
  
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  December 15, 2017 10:12am
  - Morrissey
    
    Yes, Ed, we want and need support from the big hitters like yourself.
    
    http://s.quickmeme.com/img/97/976dbbdb40368a24248d7bcd2b8607d9bbcc8f6a0f05603fd8c75408f74b6664.jpg
    
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    December 15, 2017 12:58pm
- Ambergris
  
  In my opinion both morrissey and especially ztev say some things which offer a different view and are useful in stopping this blog become an echo chamber such as has happened with some others.
  
  I do not often agree with what they say but it doesn’t annoy me.
  
  The problem is both engage in what seems to be commenting for the sake of commenting. Anything to disrupt or be contrary. It’s not even trolling as I understand trolling to be, more stupid or perhaps flaming.
  
  I feel sad that both use DPF’s blog to do this when both are capable of much better. To me it shows a lack of respect. To me morrissey linking to the standard is poor form. If I wanted to read the standard I would.
  
  The one who annoys me the most is hugh. I have found no value in anything he has posted in the past so now I join the down ticking almost automatically. Yes I know that’s childish. Sorry!
  
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  December 15, 2017 1:46pm
Brito

We need them.

If they weren’t here we’d turn on each other. Law of the jungle!
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December 15, 2017 8:56am
- Victor Omega
  
  Balance, not trolls.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:06am
  - Nukuleka
    
    ‘Balance’? Really? Truly? Are you taking the piss?
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:47am
    - Victor Omega
      
      No. I was, in part, agreeing with Brito that we need opposing views, but my point is that they need to provide balance, not trolling.
      I ageee with you. Several should have been banned by now as they are clearly here to disrupt.
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:58am
      - sam green
        
        Sook.
        
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        December 15, 2017 10:37pm
Longknives

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/motorsport/99881019/formula-one-bosses-reviewing-the-use-of-grid-girls-after-mounting-criticism

The shrieking Femnazis are getting rid of Pretty Girls at the racetrack. (Clearly focusing on all the important issues)
What a strange World we live in…
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December 15, 2017 8:57am
- Digmen1
  
  Cheerleaders will be next.
  
  If this continues, they will have to make it compulsary for men to want to talk or look at a woman.
  
  Oh, well, we can still perv at the Labour and Green benches
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:07am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Grid Girls? Haven’t heard that one before. I am familiar with the English term “Brolly Dolly.”
  In Japan, these women are known as “Race Queens” (despite not being married).
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciJp2VUTC4A
  
  They are an important component of marketing to the young male motoring program-watching demographic.
  It’s all about business and giving the audience what they want to fantasize about…
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:13am
  - Victor Omega
    
    Leftist would be ok with it if they actually were race “queens”. They would view that as inclusive and progressive or some shit.
    
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    December 15, 2017 10:44am
- Biscuit
  
  Longknives, I saw two great quips the other day:
  
  ‘Beauty and the Beast’ – Imagine the howls of outrage if the roles were reversed and it was ‘Handsome and the Feminist’.
  
  Watch ‘Thelma and Louise’ backwards and it’s about two women with a flying car who slowly realize their place is in the kitchen!
  
  Not my face, ladies, not my pretty face!
  
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  December 15, 2017 11:34am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Why not just add some pretty boys and make everyone happier? Might encourage more women to visit the races – close that terrible racing gender gap!
  
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  December 15, 2017 2:16pm
oldpark

Wonder if the Takapu /Grenada new Motorway link up from Transmission Gully to Petone which is on the drawing board to be enacted has now been stalled. Maybe to be put in the so called too hard basket .Much same as the East /West new motorway in Auckland.
Lie-bour/Green /Peters /directive. Surely not. Who would ever think there were politicians fingerprints all over that type of decision.
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December 15, 2017 8:58am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Yep, they’re now using earthquake risk as an excuse to delay and probably can it to use the money elsewhere.
  As if every other road in and out of Wellington didn’t have the same risks. Might as well close them all.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:07am
  - ztev
    
    No it was specifically landslide risk- You seen Kaikoura have you ?
    Not everywhere has that problem, but Taihape does. Most of town built on old landslide- one day it will go
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:42am
    - alwyn
      
      What on earth has Taihape got to do with Takapu/Grenada?
      
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      December 15, 2017 10:04am
    - G152
      
      Another wrong claim.
      How the hell do you manage to be wrong with every utterance?
      Is it an acquired skill learned while hanging out within the dour depths of liebor?
      From whence did this ‘landslide’ that Taihape sits on come from ?
      You really need to check those tiny wee things like fact and geology before posting.
      Oh and staying on subject and topic might go down well!
      
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      December 15, 2017 10:21am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It’s an ancient, deep-seated rockslide.
        https://blogs.agu.org/landslideblog/2008/05/04/the-taihape-landslide-monitoring-project/
        
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        December 15, 2017 11:21am
      - RalphT
        
        Maggy,
        An interesting piece but I think describing Taihape as “picturesque” is going to far.
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:19pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        RalphT – Taihape always looks very picturesque; when you are leaving the place!
        
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        December 15, 2017 1:48pm
- Digmen1
  
  That East-West road in Auckland would have saved millions in diesel and truck time every year.
  
  Bedda to give the money to feral breeders.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:13am
  - ztev
    
    They gave up doing a standard cost benefit ratio- was completly nuts
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:39am
    - mandk
      
      No doubt you’ll be saying that when the loony Greens insist on building LRT in Wellington with a BCR of only 0.05, even with optimistic costings.
      
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      December 15, 2017 10:06am
    - Lance
      
      So a substantial area of Auckland is being left to permanently grid lock.
      Sounds like the Greens are all over this shit.
      
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      December 15, 2017 12:03pm
- KevOB
  
  Big ticket items. Easy for Grant to defer to match is agenda.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:47am
Digmen1

Here what our new Social Housing looks like

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/houses/99811170/whats-a-new-state-house-really-like-tmaki-introduces-the-prototype

Its a great video

You really need to read the comments! Lots of ticks.

I wonder if they will go back to “Rachel” to see her house in a few years time after her loser boyfriends have stayed a few nights.
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December 15, 2017 9:11am
- alex Masterley
  
  The new social housing gets shabby pretty quickly.
  Examples are on Sandringham road extension where pretty nice places went bad quite quickly and Carr Road near the Bunnings.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:23am
  - stephieboy
    
    Road dwelling numbers please ? Must of missed them going to Bunnings , Carr Rd and Sandringham Rd Ext reasonably regularly .
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:44am
- Nukuleka
  
  Hilarious to read the comments to the article!! People aren’t fools! A state house is a state house and state house tenants are state house tenants. Always were, always will be. Watch for the abandoned cars, the gangs and drugs. As for people paying $650,000 for an ‘affordable’ 2 bedroom house built in the middle of a whole batch of state houses…
  
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  December 15, 2017 10:06am
- Komata
  
  So that’s a ‘new’ State House (sorry, ‘Social House’)? Aside from the different materials, it would seem to be the just the ‘old’ design tarted-up (aka ‘Modernised’), and still with the same type of tenants.
  
  Perhaps unfairly, one wonders how easy it will be to remove the ‘P’ residues from such places…
  
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  December 15, 2017 12:04pm
Morrissey

…Morrissey’s comments appear to be those of a drug-fuelled obsessive, just a lone wolf cocking his keg against any old tree he takes a fancy to

“Drug-fuelled”? What the F**K?!???!?!!?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_PYNelHXcvQ/hqdefault.jpg

Slater would have banned both Morrissey and ztev- and Hugh as well- by now. That they have not been so banned says a lot for the patience of our gracious host. He is a more patient and generous person than I!

He is indeed. All hail to the magnificent David Farrar! Praise him! PRAISE HIM!

I’ve been banned at the Standard….
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-26042012/#comment-463767

Many times….
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-14072015/#comment-1043697

https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-28052013/#comment-640164

My time at Whaleoil began controversially, when I made an unwelcome comment about John Banks. I was banned three times, the last time permanently…..
https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2012/12/saturday-general-debate-21/
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December 15, 2017 9:12am
- softail 1450
  
  moronissey ,did you slip out that you thought John banks was you long lost son ?,
  you’ve come up with a lot less believable crap on this blog ,fool.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:22am
  - Morrissey
    
    Ha ha ha! Now THAT is a good one, softail!
    
    Horrifying thought, though….
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:28am
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      moronissey ,especially the banks part to be fair
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:57am
    - stephieboy
      
      softail 1450 , infantile name calling ! Is that is good at it gets ?
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:58am
      - softail 1450
        
        stephieboy ,do you think your bad spelling is that good that you have to post it twice ? fffuuuccccck.
        
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        December 15, 2017 10:10am
  - stephieboy
    
    softail 1450 , infantile name calling ! Is that is good at it gets ?
    
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    December 15, 2017 9:40am
    - softail 1450
      
      stephieboy you moron ,at least it’s higher classed than your spelling ,dickhead .
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:50am
      - Morrissey
        
        stephieboy!! softtail 1450!! Can you boys play NICELY?!!??!?
        
        http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/6c/6c5d6f1b9fbc6c1e458dba54d8cc828cea56185270db86a8c3f0deddf7a715a8.jpg
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:17pm
  - GoVege
    
    Wonder what Banks is doing for Christmas?
    Will he extend “good will to all men” like the good Christian he is, to his own son?
    Or will he continue to punish his son’s mother through the child she refused to get rid of?
    
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    December 15, 2017 11:03am
  - GoVege
    
    My P I friend just visited Mangere Town Centre.
    Was shocked at how every obese person there (of which there were many) was walking around eating.
    In the Samoan villages, you get fined for this.
    Isn’t it time our health authorities made a greater effort to advertise the causes of diabetes?
    
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    December 15, 2017 11:29am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      No. I’m against even more government babysitting. Nobody can be unaware of the causes of diabetes.
      
      Darwin awards.
      
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      December 15, 2017 2:19pm
      - GoVege
        
        You’d be amazed how unaware some people are.
        And it costs a fortune to treat diabetes I’ve heard.
        
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        December 15, 2017 2:38pm
      - sam green
        
        Oh the characters on KB. GoVege, brito, realityczech, Kea – a couple more I think. How we all get sucked in by this troll team.
        
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        December 15, 2017 11:23pm
      - Brito
        
        Sammy boy, I think you’d be left alone if you contributed opinion not one liners. Grow a pair and give voice to your angst.
        
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        December 16, 2017 7:03am
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This woman has no credibility. How can reporters sit there without laughing?

http://abcnews.go.com/International/nikki-haley-vows-present-irrefutable-evidence-iran-deliberately/story?id=51774893
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December 15, 2017 9:32am
- ztev
  
  The UN will put that ‘irrefutable evidence’ along with the evidence that was used to justify an invasion of Iraq.
  
  I love that ‘refute’ word, so usually means lies coming.
  It was Barclays favourite- he ‘refuted everything’
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:38am
  - SteveRemmington
    
    The use of refute usually means lies are coming?
    
    Perhaps you need to have a chat about Cindy refuting the comparison to Trump then me old china 🙂
    
    When asked about the comparison today in Hamilton, Ms Ardern heatedly replied: “I absolutely refute the statement.”
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-jacinda-ardern-irate-over-absolutely-false-and-frankly-offensive-donald-trump-comparison
    
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    December 15, 2017 10:03am
    - alwyn
      
      I don’t see any need for her to change anything.
      If the use of the word “refute” means lies are coming I would say she had used the word “relentlessly accurately”.
      In fact she should start every statement in the same way.
      
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      December 15, 2017 10:16am
  - Ed Snack
    
    The UN would no doubt hide any real evidence and will instead blame it all on that apartheid state Israel.
    
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    December 15, 2017 10:17am
- stephieboy
  
  “NIKKI HALEY STUCK A KNIFE IN HIS BACK”: ROGER STONE IS ALREADY WRITING THE STORY OF TRUMP’S DOWNFALL
  
  One of Trump’s closest allies believes the president could be removed from office by disloyal Cabinet members—and he’s writing a book about it.
  
  In the closing days of the Alabama Senate election, Steve Bannon told people that Donald Trump’s political survival depended on Trump supporting Roy Moore. Bannon’s argument, according to those who spoke with him, was that establishment Republicans and Democrats would use Moore’s defeat as a political weapon to force Trump to face the sexual harassment allegations that have dogged him since the 2016 election. Bannon called Alabama Trump’s “firebreak.”….”
  
  https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/12/roger-stone-book-fall-of-trump
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:50am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yes absolutely. We can’t have uppity women speaking out against socialist globalist orthodoxy now can we?
  
  She must go back to the tried, tested and trusted UN script:
  – the dirty illegitmate Jews stole from the beautiful, peace-loving pretend nation of Palestine
  – all muslims are peace-loving, freedom-promoting, female-respecting and are above reproach.
  
  Once this stupid woman is slapped down and learns her place then everyone can get back to groupthinking their way to the end of western civilisation and fixing the Chicken Little Climate alarmism problem through taxation.
  
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  December 15, 2017 9:57am
  - realityczech
    
    The Jews were not the first people to inhabit the region. There were developed and advanced civilisations there centuries before. To say the Jews have exclusive domain is like allowing the Romans to reclaim all the lands they once controlled.
    
    You are a disgusting piece of shit and a bigot.
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:49pm
    - Brito
      
      No, no, no. We are the chosen people and we are the first amongst many.
      
      Lie back and accept it and life is so much easier.
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:01pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle’s back from synagogue full of cheap wine and bad attitude 🙂
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:15pm
      - Brito
        
        Nothing we do is cheap. Only the best for God’s chosen people. With the interest rates we charge the wine is always expensive.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:24pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle staggering home from synagogue pissed.
        
        https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQUSlnpWxm-NnpV6JFXGrU5wH8y6-8GIubExPexF7-FZYck_MKq
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:28pm
      - realityczech
        
        You need to control your kids better Brittle !
        
        http://www.liormizrahi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/470706203LM025_Ultra_Orthod-1920×1280.jpg
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:30pm
      - Brito
        
        Happy Chanukkah to you my roman catholic friend!
        
        I’ll light a candle in your absence and pray that the Master of the Universe takes your soul in the night and gently places it in his chicken coop for sorting later.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:31pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle having a night out with the misses
        
        https://www.featureshoot.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Yaakov_Naumi_15.jpg
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:35pm
      - Brito
        
        Bed is calling. You know us Yids, always breeding.
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:36pm
jcuk

Thank you KraziKiwi and David G for your 13th postings. I usually log off till a day or so later so my slow reply.
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December 15, 2017 9:33am
softail 1450

just watching a rerun of jan Logie making a speech in parliament last night ,she’s very animated with her hands arms shoulders and head when speaking,she reminds me of one of those helicopters that crashed in Blackhawk down,check her out ,its embarrassing.
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December 15, 2017 9:44am
- KKKKatee
  
  She’s a batshit crazy feminazi activist. Nothing green about her at all.
  
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  December 15, 2017 10:25am
- kevn
  
  Soft… I watched the Parliament as well. That NZF Tracey Martin is a screechy item, like a chainsaw going on and on. What an annoying shouty delivery. The speaker was geting sick of her as well.
  Contrast Steven Joyces measured speech. Night and day.
  
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  December 15, 2017 11:17am
  - sam green
    
    Contrast Barbara Kuriger. Oh dear. Never mind.
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:25pm
    - Brito
      
      GO TO YOUR ROOM!!!!
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:02pm
      - sam green
        
        Shouty grandad is shouty.
        
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        December 15, 2017 10:45pm
Hugh Pavletich

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NEW ZEALAND NEW HOUSING SUPPLY … CALLS TO SORT OUT LAND SUPPLY AND INFRASTRUCTURE FINANCING …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/12/links-15-december-2017/#comment-3017963

Housing needs big investment in the future … OPINION Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure NZ … NZ Herald
h/t PH

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11959711

A severe lack of investment sits at the heart of New Zealand’s housing crisis.

We’ve underinvested in infrastructure, new homes, in skills and in our future.

The scale of investment now required is massive. We will spend as a country about $40 billion on construction this year.

In Auckland, just half the number of homes were delivered that were needed. … read more via hyperlink above …

Auckland housing: A foundation to build on – OPINION Bill Evans of Fletchers – NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11959724

… extract …

… For a developer like Fletcher Living to deliver more homes more quickly, we need to address four key challenges — land supply, infrastructure funding, consent times and home buyer preferences.

The biggest issue by far has always been land supply. It is incredibly difficult to build affordable housing when land costs what it does in Auckland … read more via hyperlink above …

… Note – some minor typos within the below corrected by Pavletich …

Partitions and units may deliver up to 180,000 dwelling spaces … Chris Hutching … The Press / Fairfax NZ

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/99848810/partitions-and-units-may-deliver-up-to-180000-dwelling-spaces

… extract …

… The idea has been scotched by house affordability researcher Hugh Pavletich who said it was ill-conceived and would make no difference to pricing. …

… concluding …

… However, researcher Pavletich (said) such measures ignored the far greater problem of land affordability.

“On the outskirts of Auckland development land costs about $2 million a hectare and in Christchurch about half that. The prices should be the equivalent of rural land at $20,000 to $50,000 a hectare.

“The sole reason is the zoning lines on maps put there by planners.

“Ideas like partitioning are just a distraction.

“But after 15 years or more lobbying about this I’m incredibly encouraged by the new Government’s acceptance of doing away with urban boundaries and funding infrastructure though bonds, and that comes from an old Tory” Pavletich said. (refer Ardern / Twyford section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org )
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
  NEW ZEALAND: Public sector boss warns escalating CEO pay is ‘not sustainable’ … Stuff / Fairfax NZ
  
  Posted at … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_13_december_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2099016 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/12/auckland-house-sales-slump-2010-lows/#comment-3016837 … with extensive further posts on both threads …
  
  Public sector boss warns escalating CEO pay is ‘not sustainable’ | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/99812129/public-sector-boss-warns-escalating-ceo-pay-is-not-sustainable
  
  The Government is considering law changes to control top public sector pay, after it emerged another major organisation had ignored advice and hiked its chief executive’s pay.
  
  State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes revealed the Accident Compensation Corporation board, headed by Dame Paula Rebstock, had gone against his advice when it awarded chief executive Scott Pickering a $20,000 pay increase, almost three times what was recommended.
  
  Pickering, who now earns around $830,000-$840,000, was given a $50,000 pay – rise in 2016. … read more via hyperlink above …
  .
  .
  … Entities are rarely managed in the public sector … at both central and local level.
  
  They are just loosely administered ‘after a fashion’ … where the Indians pretty much just run things to suit themselves.
  
  Diffuse responsibility is the name of the game.
  
  Personal responsibility is a foreign concept to them. That’s just for grown – ups in the private sector.
  
  The infantile ‘British disease’ is still alive and well in New Zealand …
  
  Public sector inertia at a council office where employees take six-month sickies | Daily Mail Online
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289702/Public-sector-inertia-council-office-employees-month-sickies.html
  
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  December 15, 2017 11:19am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    So when do you start holding Phil Twyford and Jacinda Ardern for their housing crisis failure? Do you really think they will get 10,000 homes built in Auckland next year?
    
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    December 15, 2017 1:07pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Yes … You KBers are in for some very big surprises and shocks early in the New Year !
      
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      December 15, 2017 3:45pm
      - Brito
        
        Cindy is resigning?
        
        Winston is dead?
        
        Soy boy was caught in bed with the Persian Princess?
        
        ….
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:40pm
      - RalphT
        
        Hugh is giving up commenting on KB?
        
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        December 15, 2017 10:00pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    That’s enough shit for today Hugh, go and have a lie down.
    
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    December 15, 2017 1:08pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/12/links-15-december-2017/#comment-3018151 … and …
      
      Huffington Post Canada reports …
      
      Watch Out, Canada: Half Of Housing Booms End In Crisis, Research Finds … Huffington Post Canada
      
      http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2017/12/14/watch-out-canada-half-of-housing-booms-end-in-crisis-research-finds_a_23307206/
      
      Busts are likelier with housing markets than with stock markets, a New Zealand (Reserve Bank) study has found … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      December 15, 2017 1:13pm
      - Garbageman
        
        Scroll scroll scroll and no that doesn’t give you permission to add another 50 links to shit no-one here will ever bother clicking have you ever givin thought into putting all of this passion & energy into something that isn’t blatant trolling and possibly even slightly interesting to your intended audience you know sorta like the opposite of what you do now
        
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        December 15, 2017 1:39pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/12/links-15-december-2017/#comment-3018480 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/12/macro-afternoon-327/#comment-3018482 … and …
        
        HOUSING LESSONS FROM THE UNITED STATES … STEPHEN SELWOOD … NEW ZEALAND HERALD
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11959841
        
        These American metros do a magic trick that has eluded New Zealand’s local government.
        
        Although they compete for urban development to keep housing affordable, they co-operate for the common good of economic development.
        
        Infrastructure funding, financing, and governance lie at the heart many of our nation’s biggest challenges, underpinning the housing crisis and land supply, the poor state of our urban waterways, and poor health standards of drinking water. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Housing needs big investment in the future … OPINION Stephen Sellwood of Infrastructure NZ … NZ Herald
        h/t PH
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11959711
        
        A severe lack of investment sits at the heart of New Zealand’s housing crisis.
        
        We’ve underinvested in infrastructure, new homes, in skills and in our future.
        
        The scale of investment now required is massive. We will spend as a country about $40 billion on construction this year.
        
        In Auckland, just half the number of homes were delivered that were needed. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        INFRASTRUCTURE NEW ZEALAND
        
        https://infrastructure.org.nz/
        
        Access (13 to date) Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys … and too … further information / U.S bond financing / Municipal Utility Districts (left column) http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:52pm
Notsofast

Rod Duke is pond scum.
Fortunately his public utterance that his helicopter rides are required for distant golf courses guarantee the demise of his Xmas gift to self.
Get off the planet.
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December 15, 2017 10:22am
- dime
  
  jesus what did he do to you?
  
  the helicopter thing isnt a good look. probably more to add value to the property than actually use it
  
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  December 15, 2017 12:00pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Nice post, dime!
    
    https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/60340659/whos-the-legend-youre-the-legend.jpg
    
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    December 15, 2017 12:31pm
  - VicParking
    
    Your all jealous. If you had his money you would be helicopering around, I would.
    
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    December 15, 2017 1:29pm
- JibberJabber
  
  I guess he has to murder someone for you to worship him?
  
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  December 15, 2017 2:08pm
Digmen1

Who was the feral who impregnated this?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11960203

And now she is going to change her life!
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December 15, 2017 10:40am
- RalphT
  
  “And now she is going to change her life!”
  
  Of course she’s going to; we taxpayers will see that she and her baby want for nothing.
  
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  December 15, 2017 10:50am
  - Longknives
    
    “we taxpayers will see that she and her baby want for nothing.”
    
    Well the baby won’t have much of a life- But Mum’s DPB will ensure an endless supply of Woodstock Bourbon and Cola and bags of weed courtesy of the poor old Taxpayer…
    
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    December 15, 2017 11:06am
- Wangas Feral
  
  It wasn’t me.
  
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  December 15, 2017 12:05pm
  - stigie
    
    Good for you for telling the truth Wangas Feral, most parasites would give her one and then run !~
    Btw my first look thought that it was transgender..?
    
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    December 15, 2017 12:39pm
- Morrissey
  
  Who was the feral who impregnated this?
  
  This feral, perhaps….
  
  https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KBZpBJhW6g4/WZ6s1NVYTVI/AAAAAAAALqQ/BzPalgGWRkI5NlW8DRoBwtQSTjkZaD6aQCLcBGAs/s1600/John%2BBanks%2BAsshole.jpg
  
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  December 15, 2017 12:47pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    morris dancer proves his mental illness once again.
    
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    December 15, 2017 1:09pm
hullkiwi

Morning, from the department of no wonder project costs blow out and our local govt politicians should not be left in charge of anything…..

This week’s Mahurangi Matters reports that on 13 December that the AT project team planned to complete sealing of Takatu Road, abroad to a regional park in North Rodney. Well done, but that is where the good news ends.

The road is 4.5km in length, was started in March 2016, and was meant to be finished in June (so it is 6 months late). It was budgeted to cost $4m but will cost $5.3m (so only $1.3m over budget). The reasons for the delay and the blown out budget include:
1. The late running of another project;
2. The wet winter in Northland;
3. “The estimate was based on the per km cost of a straightforward basic road sealing project. However, the location and terrain of the final Takatu Road section, combined with the need to bring the road up to required engineering and road safety standards, meant it had been far from a case of simply putting seal on an existing road” (Mark Hannan AT).

Now the standard cost estimate AT uses is $450k. Anhighe traffic volumes for this piece of road 302 cars on a Sunday in June 2015.

The next road that will receive the sealing attention of AT is Ahuroa Road. Ahuroa Road’s unsealed sections & sealed sections needing to be brought up to specification is circa 15km, and it carries more than 400 vehicles plus trucks on a quiet day.

As a sub text to this post Beth Holbrooke (Rodney Local Board Chair and ACT Party deputy leader) had a Facebook post earlier this year celebrating the opening of with local ward councillor (Greg Sayers). My wife highjacked her celebration by writing back questioning the project over run & how they could guarantee Ahuroa Rd would happen given AT’s budget for road sealing is $1m per year. Holbrooke was silly enough to come back with the number of $450k. My wife pointed out how inaccurate AT’s cost give the road opening she was celebrating was 100% over its original estimate.

Bringing us back to Takatu Road, the issues are:
1. The processes AT uses to understand, plan, design & prepare engineering requirements for projects appear to be woeful – to the extent they will be desk exercises with no understanding of the roads;
2. The question begs WTF do they go out to tender on?;
3. Clearly, there base value of $450k per km to seal roads is way out, given Takatu Rd cost $1.33m per km;
4. If, the cost of road sealing is closer to $1.33m per km, how effective is a budget allocation of $$1m per annum for road sealing going to be?.

Given that Auckland has over 850km of unsealed roads, what is the chance AT has even the remotest clue about how long & much this will cost? None, is my guess.

As for Ahuroa Road, this road is meant to be sealed over the next 3 years. Recognising the length, the complexity, & the issues above, expect this road project to cost $75m to $100m (not $7m to $10m) and to take 10 years to complete (not 3 years).

What this says about AT, is:
1. They are a public waste of money & don’t have a clue what they are doing;
2. Expect a major cost blow out on CRL; and
3. Goody’s demands will never be met by his $0.10 fuel tax, because AT don’t even understand what they are doing.

Finally, I am brought back to Beth Holbrooke as an example of everything that is wrong with local & central government in NZ. This is a lady who runs successful local businesses, but hasn’t got a clue about managing anything bigger; is responsible for spending and managing public funds etcetca. Yes, she is a local example, but when you look at further levels of government, you are left shaking your head at just how unqualified these people (on all sides of the political divide) are to make decisions on behalf of all New Zealanders. Is there a solution to this?
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December 15, 2017 11:03am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Ahuroa Road will be a first-class “racing track” for motorcyclists once it is sealed. Expect fatalities.
  
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  December 15, 2017 11:13am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yeh, especially after they’ve got tanked up at the Puhoi pub!
    
    PS. The current situation/problem is non-locals who go for a drive over the road. They ignore the fact that locals may use the road too.
    
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    December 15, 2017 12:05pm
- Morrissey
  
  I must say that I agree with every single point in your post, hullkiwi. I know that road, and as our friend Odakyu says, sealing it will only make it more dangerous.
  
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  December 15, 2017 1:04pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    For once Morrissey, I am in agreement with you, morons will kill themselves on that road when it is sealed.
    
    But is the possible misadventure of noons who may be candidates for a Darwin award a valid reason to make locals suffer 15km of shitty road? Currently, there are patches of the road that are bare clay, and become dangerous in wet weather.
    
    Residents of such areas pay taxes and rates, but their requirements for services get ignored. Is that a just proposition?
    
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    December 15, 2017 4:13pm
Manolo

A disgruntled employee?
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/364827-omarosa-tripped-white-house-alarms-report

Trump administration aide Omarosa Manigault Newman reportedly set off White House alarms in an attempt to gain access to the residence after learning that she had been fired from her job.
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December 15, 2017 11:13am
kevn

hullkiwi… Yep, there is a solution for you. Run for the local parliamentry seat. Even local council maybe?
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December 15, 2017 11:13am
Maxx

I still can’t understand why everyone is saying that this mini-budget looks good, but tight, when they even state that there are a number of LAB/NZF/GRN policies that have not been developed and costed.

Considering that $660m annually is not even really enough to keep up with standard increases to Government expenditure, how will these policies be paid for?

Will National commit to axing these unaffordable programmes when the deficits start rolling out?
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December 15, 2017 11:14am
- Digmen1
  
  And within the first 100 days!
  
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  December 15, 2017 11:30am
- Maxx
  
  Further to this, reading through ASB’s HYEFU review, there are some quite substantial differences of opinion between treasuries forecasts and ASB’s.
  
  Particular areas where it appears they see differences are Government consumption lowering from 3.4% (current) to 1.0% over 3 years, whereas ASB sees it increasing to 4.1% immediately and staying there.
  
  There are also notable differences in residential investment where it looks like they see government crowding out private investment, and non-residential staying around current levels.
  
  The numbers almost read like treasury were told that they needed an end result to be xx and what forecast would be plausible to reach this?
  
  http://reports.asb.co.nz/at/tep963q65n9416077i1340676h505832g3f1c197273333a4t9s4z
  
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  December 15, 2017 11:46am
Inandout

How bloody true.

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/12/cartoon-of-the-day-609/
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December 15, 2017 11:25am
- stephieboy
  
  Full of sweeping assertions and gross generalisations so becoming of Whale blubber
  
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  December 15, 2017 11:45am
EAD_TWO

Well here goes a first……

Here is an article from today’s “Daily Stormer”. Normally I wouldn’t share from such a putrid website but this article gives us some food for thought on a subject matter for which I was not aware.

https://dailystormer.red/poland-makes-jewish-banker-their-prime-minister/

Now we all the know the bad press the Poles have been getting from the MSM about their desire to keep Poland Polish (shock, horror, how dare they!).

Their very popular President has been disposed and replaced by a Jewish Banker in a coup for no apparent reason apart from refusing to bow to Globalists diktats.

All of a sudden Poland has become Battle Ground numero uno for the Gloablists vs. the Traditionalists.

All eyes on Poland ?
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December 15, 2017 11:40am
- stephieboy
  
  As there was all eyes on Nazi Germany ,
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmyGPX23px4
  
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  December 15, 2017 11:43am
- mandk
  
  Not sure about your sources, EAD.
  
  The link you shared doesn’t work.
  
  The Polish President has not been disposed (sic).
  
  And according to the Economist, the new PM’s first public statement called for the re-Christianisation of Europe: https://www.economist.com/news/europe/21732560-emollient-new-face-nationalist-law-and-justice-party-polands-prime-minister-gets
  
  People used to talk about Reds-under-the-bed, but I think you must see Jews-under-the-bed.
  
  And, anyway, who in Poland does not have at least some Jewish ancestry?
  
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  December 15, 2017 12:01pm
- dime
  
  yeah big time. Poland are crushing it at the moment.
  
  ze germans dont like that one bit
  
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  December 15, 2017 12:03pm
- Brito
  
  Hang on a minute EAD (which is a Muslim name for blessed – if you missed it yesterday)…”keep Poland Polish.”
  
  Where did you get that little pearl of wisdom from? Since when did you decide that your religious calling defines your nationality? So…if you’re a Protestant in Poland you’re not Polish?
  
  I think the Muslim suicide bomber in you is just screaming for release.
  
  Have you always been an arsehole or are you just a practicing one?
  
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  December 15, 2017 12:04pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Hang on a minute EAD (which is a Muslim name for blessed – if you missed it yesterday)…”keep Poland Polish.”
    
    EAD = Eat A Dick
    
    EID = an Islamic date in their calendar
    
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    December 15, 2017 12:13pm
    - sam green
      
      Sorry. I didn’t realise you were a homo.
      
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      December 15, 2017 10:50pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Where did you get that little pearl of wisdom from? Since when did you decide that your religious calling defines your nationality?”
    
    Brittle, That is the entire basis of the religious theme park known as Israel. Or is it yet another exception for the [self declared] chosen ones ?
    
    Now apologise for killing Jesus and play nicely.
    
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    December 15, 2017 12:28pm
    - realityczech
      
      Brittle, In the interests of religious harmony and to celebrate Jesus’s birthday, I have made up a big pot of pig trotters (cooked in their mothers milk) for you to take to synagogue tonight. I even have a sack of mussels and crabs for starters.
      
      So don’t sit there all day tugging at your payot and getting all angry with everyone 🙂
      
      You know what will happen: http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01659/bleeding-mouth_1659287i.jpg
      
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      December 15, 2017 12:40pm
      - stigie
        
        Is this for fucking real..?
        Guess you won’t hear anything about poverdy because it’s been fixed !~
        
        http://spy.nzherald.co.nz/spy-news/john-campbell-and-hilary-barry-could-this-be-the-new-face-of-seven-sharp/
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:51pm
      - Brito
        
        And, Ead is a Muslim name which means blessing (and he/she/thing) knows that…and punch me in the hooter and I’ll unleash this lot on you.
        
        https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mayan-toledano-female-soldiers_us_57486060e4b03ede44148d7a
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:53pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Ah, dietary rules and regulations.
        
        I remember a joke about a priest and a rabbi having lunch together somewhere.
        The priest turns to the rabbi and asks him, “Really now, is there any occasion where you would eat ham?”
        The rabbi thinks for a moment, and then replies. “Yes father, there is! At your wedding.”
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:54pm
      - Brito
        
        Nice!
        
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        December 15, 2017 12:57pm
    - Brito
      
      On behalf of the Romans (Catholics) I apologise for them killing Jesus.
      
      They knew not what they do…or something.
      
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      December 15, 2017 12:50pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Learn your history…there were no Roman Catholics when Jesus was killed.
        
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        December 15, 2017 1:00pm
      - Brito
        
        I’m being ironic lg. I’ll try to make it a little more fucking obvious for you next time.
        
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        December 15, 2017 1:03pm
- UpandComer
  
  Nice find.
  
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  December 15, 2017 1:57pm
Digmen1

Can someone recommend any NZ radio or tv show that is not lefitst biased that I can watch or listen to?
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December 15, 2017 1:23pm
- lifesgood
  
  Nope.
  
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  December 15, 2017 1:30pm
- Biscuit
  
  Tune in to TAB Trackside, Digmen1.
  
  O-c-c-a-s-i-o-n-a-l-l-y the horses run left-to-right!
  
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  December 15, 2017 1:44pm
Swifty

See you later creep:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/99893240/convicted-doctor-david-lim-served-deportation-notice-in-prison-by-immigration-new-zealand

…oh, that’s once you get out of the big house!
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December 15, 2017 1:42pm
- Biscuit
  
  Uh, that’s horrendous, Swifty.
  
  How did I ever miss that story when the trial was on?
  
  It’s a good time, though, to reflect on the fact that – by and large – what I call our ‘service industry’ folk are good and decent folk – the medicos/nurses/ambulance people, the cops, the teachers, the bus/train drivers, the shop workers, the firepersons … hell, even the Parliamentarians.
  
  We have a lot to be thankful for!
  
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  December 15, 2017 1:50pm
MrTips

Dear Rimmer (otherwise known as the moron called David Seymour),

As one has been awaiting after your miserable gaff, you have been found wanting and totally out of your depth: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11959454

You HAVE no IDEA what you are talking about whence it comes to euthanasia. You have NO knowledge of medical practice. Neither do you care; you are simply a virtue signaller from the other side of Cindy’s fence. And it will be made plain to MPs just how ignorant you are…

Le Coq indeed.
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December 15, 2017 1:46pm
- Brito
  
  MrTips, can I call you Tips?
  
  Sinead Donnelly is a Catholic. Every life as well (as every sperm) is sacred.
  
  Her opinion is blighted by this minor flaw.
  
  I, and with some trepidation, suggest your point is moot and therefore invalid.
  
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  December 15, 2017 2:49pm
  - MrTips
    
    Brito
    SO what?
    I’m Catholic: does that make my opinion invalid too?
    
    And no: I wouldn’t know Sinead Donnelly if I fell over her. But like her, I understand medicine. And I understand it very well from both sides of the needle.
    
    Rimmer doesn’t. Which is highly disconcerting given the bill he’s pushing. At least Maryan Street knew what actually happens.
    
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    December 15, 2017 3:45pm
    - Brito
      
      “I’m Catholic: does that make my opinion invalid too?”
      
      ANSWER – Yes!
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:04pm
    - realityczech
      
      “I’m Catholic: does that make my opinion invalid too?”
      
      It makes your opinion worse that invalid.
      
      http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:18pm
      - Brito
        
        Mensch!!!
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:33pm
    - nasska
      
      ….”I’m Catholic: does that make my opinion invalid too?”…..
      
      Not only invalid but biased, Godaddled & probably half-baked to boot!
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:26pm
      - Brito
        
        ‘nother mensch!!
        
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        December 15, 2017 9:34pm
  - realityczech
    
    Catholics today can’t distance themselves enough from Adolf Hitler. But that wasn’t the case in the 1930’s and 40’s when he was one of the most powerful men on earth. Germany’s Catholics were proud as peacocks to count their Fuerher as one of their own, so long as he was putting Germans back to work, and making them proud of their powerful country, following the period of great economic depression and the humiliating shame they had suffered after their defeat in World War One. Hitler was not only allowed to “get away with murder”, he was allowed to get away with the mass-murder of totally innocent men, women and even children by the millions. Because Hitler has since been defeated and his villainy has come to be seen for what it was, Catholics now want to believe – and have the rest of us believe – that their church must have repudiated Hitler in his day. But try as they may to rewrite history, the fact is that once Adolf Hitler came to power in 1933, neither the pope in Rome as leader of the church worldwide, nor the bishops of his own German country, ever denied membership or even public access to the sacraments to Hitler himself, nor to the many, many other top Nazi leaders of the Third Reich who claimed membership in the R.C. church.
    
    http://www.catholicarrogance.org/Catholic/Hitlersfaith-1.html
    
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    December 15, 2017 5:29pm
    - realityczech
      
      “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”
      
      [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]
      
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      December 15, 2017 5:30pm
    - Brito
      
      You go girl!!!!
      
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      December 15, 2017 9:05pm
Grant

I am wondering if one of the ztevs real name is actually Greg.
His posting style, as well as the wealth of political insider knowledge he has access to, reminds me of a certain Gregory I used to cross swords with on twitter who was well ensconced in the Labour Party, and who has been the subject of the odd post on this fine site.
If it is you Greg, don’t sweat it. You can trust us with your secret. (See what I did there?)
G
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December 15, 2017 2:02pm
- Garbageman
  
  He reminds me more of the guy with the chicks name that runs The Standard when facts figures and intelligent debate are put in front of his weak arguments he goes feral just like that clown does
  
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  December 15, 2017 2:51pm
Manolo

Investing in the next generation of African satraps, dictators and thugs:
https://qz.com/1119447/china-is-training-africas-next-generation-of-leaders/

China is particularly interested in the next generation of African elites. Last year, Beijing announced it would invite 1,000 young African politicians for trainings in China, after hosting more than 200 between 2011 and 2015.
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December 15, 2017 2:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , a timely report from the up and coming “satraps , dictators , elites ” etc in your fatherland is long. long over due .
  
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  December 15, 2017 2:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How did you guess Manolo was Welsh?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j50W-ZnWx6k
    
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    December 15, 2017 7:40pm
- GoVege
  
  Maybe they can invite the girlfriends of Chinese migrant workers along with the babies they fathered also?
  
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  December 15, 2017 2:33pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

I want a chrome plug in that automatically converts macrons to non-macron characters. I think this would appeal to about 70% of the NZ population.
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December 15, 2017 2:12pm
Dafixeruppa

I need a one week ban. I really screwed up on another thread. I hit the wrong button and accidentally have the stephies an up tick.
I’m really sorry and I will accept whatever punishment and ridicule you think fitting. Currently sitting here hanging my head in shame.
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December 15, 2017 2:37pm
- mandk
  
  You didn’t need to publicise you blunder.
  Only DPF, your confessor and your mistress needed to have known 😉
  
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  December 15, 2017 3:22pm
- RalphT
  
  I think that rather than a one week ban your punishment should be having to make a supportive comment about every statement made by one of the stephies in the next week.
  
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  December 15, 2017 3:33pm
- Longknives
  
  You must walk through the streets of Mt Roskill wearing only a sandwich board that states ‘I Love Israel’ whilst munching on a bacon sandwich…
  
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  December 15, 2017 3:48pm
Inandout

If you steal money from a government department, your Kiwi Saver funds are untouchable. This is a great way of locking away money. Drug lords should be on to this loophole.
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December 15, 2017 5:16pm
realityczech

It’s Christmas and a time to acknowledge those who started it all….

“This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief.” Hitler Mein Kampf, pp.152

“Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest on a fanatical outlook.”
Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 171
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December 15, 2017 5:33pm
Happychappy

James Shaw talking the talk on how dairying is not good for our coastline so is this the start of the Coalition from hell policy to drive our farmers out of business or is this trying to convince NZ’ers that larģe taxes are needed to force farmers to change the way they farm.
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December 15, 2017 5:42pm
Morrissey

Bad farmers who pollute our water should not be in business.

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/l/f/i/z/s/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620×349.1lfi0o.png/1504501119377.jpg
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December 15, 2017 5:53pm
sooty

Jeremy Wells, is going to tvnz. Oh, goody, goody! Who’s he?
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December 15, 2017 6:04pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/268702/trump-withdraws-globalist-migration-compact-joseph-klein

Trump has done the right thing.

Bruce Russell Newstalk ZB spent a good portion of the small hours this morning discussing the planned UN Migration Compact and the new proposed UN hate speech policing laws.

This is scary stuff indeed.
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December 15, 2017 6:22pm
realityczech

What is it with these predatory bull dykes in anti male hate groups hating on tomatoes ?

No wonder these vile home wreckers are so fat and hideous with their demands for bags of chips and cakes.
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December 15, 2017 7:17pm
- nasska
  
  In most cases their IQ is only rivalled by their BMI.
  
  That much they have in common with 90% of their clientèle.
  
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  December 15, 2017 7:19pm
- nasska
  
  For all that I loathe women being beaten up by their men there are some things I have never been able to understand about the female psyche.
  
  Our daughters were born within eleven months of each other, the first not being expected & her impending arrival came two weeks after we’d signed up for our first home involving two mortgages. Two jobs were the minimum to pay for everything so I ended up moonlighting as a bottle store attendant/doorman (read bouncer) for a local pub.
  
  It wasn’t as bad as it sounds & I only had a few dicey experiences in those five years but it was a lesson in human relationships. By themselves most of the blokes weren’t too bad regardless of how pissed & agro they got. Get them out the door, away from their mates & they’d settle down.
  
  It was when their hopped up mad women were involved that the shit would fly. Even if the men settled down the mad harridans would provoke them to have a go at me, patrons or even themselves.
  
  God knows what happened when they finally got home but I pity the kids resulting from such relationships. They were screwed up from the start by the example set by their loopy parents.
  
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  - realityczech
    
    Yes most fights are caused by women. They are hysterical shit stirrers on the piss.
    
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    December 15, 2017 8:09pm
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      I can confirm one thing RC. When I got home I was grateful for the relationship I had.
      
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      December 15, 2017 8:17pm
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      Are you snorting substances? You’re making great sense tonight.
      
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