General Debate 12 December 2017

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Captain Mainwaring

So Adrian Orr is the new Reserve Bank Governor, ready to take a big pay cut for the good of the country.
Oh, who was the last guy to do that? Oh……..ummmmm………. errrrr…..was it John Key?
Orr vs. Robbo is going to be fun to watch, but at least the main guy in charge of the country’s finances has an economic brain.

(apologies for re-posting from last night)
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December 12, 2017 8:02am
- alex Masterley
  
  Good.
  He is very smart man.
  It always comes as a pleasant surprise to me to see the number of very capable people who work within our government.
  It is not just a home for useless buggers (although these types do find homes for themselves in the sector).
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:19am
Paulus

I see that her glorious senior worship Helen Clark is to be inducted Doctor of Laws at the so called University of Waikato today.
As thanks for taking over the Labour Cinderella’s role incognito.
Which one will be considered the worse PM in memory.
Presumably inducted by her other special Margaret Wilson.
Another Bauble Helen !
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December 12, 2017 8:06am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sick-making isn’t it?
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:08am
- alex Masterley
  
  This just gets added to the list of reasons why I never rated the University of Waikato.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:13am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    What he said.
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:16am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      No surprise at all who the Professor of Law and Public Policy is at Waikato University’s Faculty of Law. It’s none other than one Margaret Wilson. These lefties stick together like shit to a blanket.
      
      https://www.waikato.ac.nz/law/about-us/staff/academic/mwilson
      
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      December 12, 2017 8:23am
      - hullkiwi
        
        At least Wilson didn’t go back to Auckland. Now just to get rid of Kelsey.
        
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        December 12, 2017 9:45am
      - hullkiwi
        
        And with Gould as Chancellor, why should we expect any less?
        
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        December 12, 2017 9:48am
      - flipper
        
        ..Heh Keeping
        I missed the connexion. Thanks for pointing out the current link between Clark and the shrieking skull… the one who sabotaged an excellent legal system for one that met her socialist ideals, especially when a long time Labour- funding family member was made CJ.
        BTW…
        Any idea of the whereabouts of the ersatz Clark husband?
        Are they co-habitating ?
        or
        Is the Clark bed partner now an Adern staffer ?
        
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        December 12, 2017 9:58am
      - ztev
        
        Flipper has ‘flipped’
        
        “especially when a long time Labour- funding family member was made CJ.”
        
        The CJ was appointed by Jenny Shipleys government ( may 1999 and was previously appointed in 1995 to High Court- all by national)
        
        So stupid, and a fool on something so easily checked.
        The Supreme Court was just the CJ and the senior Appeals court judges at the time.
        What a fool you are !
        
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        December 12, 2017 11:33am
      - ztev
        
        So what Wayne Mapp was an ex law professor too .
        
        Is there something wrong with that.
        
        John Key had an honorary doctorate from Canterbury.
        
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        December 12, 2017 11:45am
      - waikatosinger
        
        And with Gould as Chancellor, why should we expect any less?
        
        Minor correction: – Gould was vice-chancellor not chancellor; and that was two VCs ago way back in the days of Helen Clark. The current VC is Neil Quigley and the one before that was Roy Crawford.
        Gould’s shit must really stink if the smell is still hanging around the University after all these years. The Chancellor is Jim Bolger.
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:02pm
      - itstricky
        
        John Key had an honorary doctorate from Canterbury
        
        98% of KBers confer that they are only baubles if Labour party members get them.
        
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        December 12, 2017 4:25pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Chuckle – I can’t say for sure but Adrian Orr has at least a Bachelor’s in Economics from…..
    …. the University of Waikato.!! 🙂
    
    Don’t worry folks. The Computer Science and Management Schools were excellent in the 1980’s, and still are as far as I am aware.
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:24am
    - macdee
      
      ex Taupo nui a Tia College too
      
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      December 12, 2017 10:30am
      - ztev
        
        Paula Bennett was ex- Taupo Truck stop
        Stag park Diner
        
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        December 12, 2017 11:36am
      - starboard
        
        Jacinder Ardern worked in a fish and chip shop. Its the only real job she has ever had. Now shes PM by default..but not for long.
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:09pm
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Yep Alex, and given UoW have people like Cat Pause lecturing for them, I’m not sure anyone should rate them:
    Cat Pausé is the lead editor of Queering Fat Embodiment (Ashgate). A Fat Studies Researcher, her research focuses on the effects of spoiled identities on the health and well-being of fat individuals. Her work appears in scholarly journals such as Human Development, Feminist Review, HERDSA, and Narrative Inquiries in Bioethics, as well as online in The Huffington Post and The Conversation, among others. She hosted Fat Studies: Reflective Intersections in 2012 and Fat Studies: Identity, Agency, Embodiment in 2016. Cat is also involved in sociable scholarship; her work is highlighted in her social media presence, Friend of Marilyn, on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, iTunes, and her blog. Her fat positive radio show, Friend of Marilyn, is travelling the world this year – make sure your city is on the tour!
    Seriously? Fat bloody Studies?
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:40am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      At least she lives out the subject she preaches on.
      
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      December 12, 2017 9:27am
    - Rich Prick
      
      I wonder what advances to the human endeavour have been achieved by all that fat study? Perhaps it was time that might have been better spent at the gym.
      
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      December 12, 2017 9:28am
    - Crisplion
      
      Yes, Fat Studies is now a thing, along with all manner of other ‘studies’ and ‘theory’. As an academic and the son of an academic I have an association with universities going back to my childhood. Nowadays I feel a little like I imagine a citizen of Rome must have felt after Alaric and his Visigoths had sacked the city.
      
      The university I knew still exists in enclaves, mostly in mathematics and the physical sciences, but even they are not immune to the pernicious and increasingly pervasive influence of post-modernism and cultural Marxism. On campuses in the US, these barbarians now literally riot every time a speaker with whom they disagree accepts an invitation to their universities.
      
      It’s easy to laugh at fools like Cat Pause and her idiotic faux-scholarship, and laugh we should. However there’s a very damn serious side to all of this – generations of impressionable young people are being ‘educated’ by twits like Pause. It’s resulting in a disturbing trend towards censorship of ideas as ‘hate speech’ and indoctrination into the kind of identity politics that now permeates the MSM. And now, the New Zealand taxpayer will foot the full bill for our youth to be indoctrinated to think nonsense such as that being morbidly obese is healthy and normal and that there’s “no such thing as biological sex”. (Google it if you don’t believe me.)
      
      I’m with the Canadian Professor of Psychology Jordan Peterson when he argues that universities should have their funding seriously cut, to force them to decide what they want to be – places that foster the never-ending search for truth, or places that value equality of outcome above all else, seeking to tear down the very civilisation that they have contributed to building over the centuries. I’d be prepared for that to cost me my job if it meant that the university I knew and loved could be saved.
      
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      December 12, 2017 10:06am
      - waikatosinger
        
        If you look at NZ universities you will see that the postmodern nonsense you quite rightly complain about was never as deeply rooted here as it is in the US. Partly this is because the so called “liberal arts” subjects have never been as influential here as they have traditionally been in North America.
        
        Student loans have meant that our students are a lot more vocationally focused, and the funding model used in NZ over a long period has also funded arts subjects at a lower level. With money comes power within the institution, and the craziest disciplines don’t have much of either in NZ universities these days.
        
        There have also been many redundancies in NZ universities in recent years and the political fruitloops, who were academically weak for the most part, took the brunt of it. There are not many of them left.
        
        So while you will find plenty of examples of individual fruitloopery and a lot of Labour party lovers in NZ Universities, you won’t find quite the same degree of institutional insanity that they have in North America.
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:56pm
    - waikatosinger
      
      Cat Pause is at Massey.
      
      http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/expertise/profile.cfm?stref=402040
      
      Nothing to do with Waikato.
      
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      December 12, 2017 5:43pm
  - Morrissey
    
    No, people like Dov Bing, Ron Smith, Norman Simms, Willem De Lange and Jacqueline Rowarth are why the University of Waikato has a low reputation….
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-23092014/#comment-895173
    
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    December 12, 2017 3:40pm
- cmm
  
  Waikato – proud to be associated with the PM for Manus Island:
  
  https://www.waikato.ac.nz/study/qualifications/bachelor-of-communication-studies
  
  Which one will be considered the worse PM in memory? Helen was nasty, but competent. Jacinda is just incompetent.
  
  BTW: Any course with “studies” in the name should be run through a community college/polytech not a university.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:13am
  - Wayne Mapp
    
    Colin James has just rated Helen Clark as the best PM in the last 50 years. He takes the period as being the post Holyoake era. So effectively starting in 1972, which is in fact 45 years.
    
    Mind you his latest articles make almost no effort to conceal his bias against National, and John Key in particular.
    
    Anyway the list of PM’s in chronological order are:
    Norm Kirk, 1972 to 1974
    Bill Rowling, 1974 to 1975
    Rob Muldoon, 1975 to 1984
    David Lange, 1984 to 1989
    Geoffrey Palmer, 1989 to 1990
    Mike Moore, 1990
    Jim Bolger, 1990 to 1997
    Jenny Shipley, 1997 to 1999
    Helen Clark, 1999 to 2008
    John Key, 2008 to 2016
    Bill English, 2016 to 2017
    Jacinda Ardern, 2017 to …
    
    So 12 PM’s in contention. Any reasonable assessment would put Helen Clark in the top 3, along with Jim Bolger and John Key. Bolger’s reputation has gone up in recent years. The left remain in love with Kirk, so they put him right up there, even though he virtually collapsed the economy.
    
    The left do not give John Key any credit for getting NZ through the GFC (and the earthquakes) in better shape than just about any other OECD nation.
    
    Jacinda, along with the rest of the contemporary left, seem to think growth is automatic and is immune from any shift in government policy. Therefore they do not give John Key any credit. That theory is about to be tested!
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:47am
    - MT_Tinman
      
      The list is missing one PM.
      
      I won’t comment on the best PM but those that did the most damage are: Bolger, Clark and the current clown (in less than 100 days no less).
      
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      December 12, 2017 9:02am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        I wasn’t including John Marshall since he is part of the Holyoake era.
        
        In my list, the longer serving PM’s do best. All three won 3 elections, so the public must have thought they were doing something right. But Muldoon does not get in the top 3. His last term was a complete disaster.
        
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        December 12, 2017 9:06am
      - softail 1450
        
        mr tinman,, the only thing bloody empty head Bolger did well was practice his multi accent abilities, what a fricking drongo he was .
        makes me wonder if ardern is his long lost daughter,,,,,,,
        
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        December 13, 2017 5:48am
    - Ambergris
      
      How one views a PM probably depends in large part how one views a government.
      
      The David Lange government had a big impact on how life is for us now mainly because of Roger Douglas I suppose. Where would we be if Muldoon had stayed in power? If the Lange government hadn’t tipped the world as we knew it then on it’s head how would the leaders since be judged now?
      
      I think it’s too early in history to get a proper perspective on John Key and methinks in time a more balanced consideration of the Key years will see agreement by most that he was one of the good ones.
      
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      December 12, 2017 9:13am
      - Wayne Mapp
        
        I agree the Lange government was the most influential in my lifetime, though I largely give the credit to for that to Douglas, Prebble and Moore. They are the ones who really drove the reforms. Nevertheless it does put Lange high on any list.
        
        Of course the order of such lists are highly debatable. It is easier to put PM’s in brackets, say top third, middle third and bottom third, rather than in a precise order which is likely to be coloured by ones own political perceptions.
        
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        December 12, 2017 9:26am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        For some reason Wayne I can’t reply to your comment but I reported you by mistake.
        
        I apologise.
        
        Muldoon’s first two terms were good, far better than most others where as Clark’s were never good and only blind idiocy, very poor opponents and serious bribes got her three terms.
        
        I still don’t know how Bolger got re-elected even once given the damage he did (both with MMP and ToW) to NZ.
        
        Key gets a plus for managing the economy in problematic times, that plus being cancelled out by the inaction in not getting rid of the cash distribution schemes of the previous govt.
        
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        December 12, 2017 10:03am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Hardly Tinman. 66% marginal tax rate at $22,000. 55% and 48% rates. Carless days. Managed exchange rate. Import tariffs and tax incentives that encouraged capital investment in uncompetitive industries. SMPs. Tax incentives that created rort industries. Muldoon did more damage to this country than any PM in living memory – even kirk.
        
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        December 12, 2017 10:12am
      - waikatosinger
        
        It is difficult to directly compare since the challenges faced by each PM are so different.
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:05pm
      - calendar girl
        
        I agree with Wayne M. that Lange’s Government had the greatest influence for the longer term. But not because of Lange, who had to be dragged screaming and kicking.
        
        Douglas, Prebble and Moore were indeed the ones who did ‘the hard yards’, economically and philosophically, while Lange rattled a few populist cages with his anti-nuclear (anti-USA?) and other distractions.
        
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        December 12, 2017 1:31pm
    - flipper
      
      Wayne….
      Years ago James’ bias was palpable and reached the point where he was asked by the then Editor of the NZ Herald to shape up, balance his reports, and stop editorialising when reporting ….. or resign. Happily for the then credible New Zealand Herald, he took the hint (neither Hardingham, Chappel nor/and Scherer would not accept his crap) and went. But his red spots remained and now he mixes them into his sanctimonious and skewed commentary like over-ripe cherries. Worse is his use of so called “private (client to Labour) URM “surveys into his self promoted poll of polls – poll which forms the basis of all Red Radio news coverage.
      Just another, now self admitted, Labour shill.
      
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      December 12, 2017 10:18am
    - ztev
      
      through the GFC in better shape than Australia?
      
      Key and English adopted a total Keynsian approach
      
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      December 12, 2017 11:38am
      - Ambergris
        
        Really? OMG that’s so evil ztev!!
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:49pm
    - KevOB
      
      Can Jacinda manage a $20 billion earthquake?
      
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      December 12, 2017 11:43am
      - In Vino Veritas
        
        Jacinda can’t even manage to get enough of her MP’s in Parliament to win a vote, so how can anyone have any confidence in her to handle other, more serious things?
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:38pm
    - igm
      
      Colin James is, and always has been, a left-wing twerp. Had the misfortune to work with him once, finding him a vile and insufferable know-all.
      
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      December 12, 2017 11:48am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Bolger has an association with Waikato, does that help?
      You all make me protective of the place.
      
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      December 12, 2017 12:08pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Had a friend have her doctorate conferred yesterday at Waikato, she worked hard for it, I don’t think that I am a fan of honorary ones.
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:10pm
    - Harkman
      
      Norm Kirk was actually one of the 3 worst PMs in NZ history. When he came to power inflation was an issue but a single digit problem. When he died it was a double digit problem that ravaged our standard of living for the next two decades and ripped the country apart. He inherited a current account surplus and left a double digit deficit (not to mention the government books). Muldoon simply kept up Labour’s spending.
      
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      December 12, 2017 12:20pm
      - Harkman
        
        Any neutral analysis would put Key well ahead of Clark. He is the only NZ PM in the last 100 years to leave with NZ in better shape then on arrival (though English didn’t leave a mess either).
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:26pm
    - Paulus
      
      I did not know that Colin James was still alive.
      I knew him in the eighties in Wellington – he was still out of it then, so nothing new.
      
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      December 12, 2017 2:27pm
- starboard
  
  “All rise for the new President of Bananastan ( formerly NZ)
  Hulun E Klarcula”
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:11am
- Chris R
  
  Makes sense at one level though….she doctored NZ’s laws to suit herself on many occasions, Electoral Finance, speed limits between Waimate and Christchurch are two to come to mind.
  
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  December 12, 2017 12:08pm
  - RF
    
    She is just a lying evil old crone.
    
    She hung those motorcade cops out to dry back in July 2004 and I will never forgive her for that. Her passenger Jim Sutton was also put in the position of having to cover for her.
    
    Thank god and no thanks to Clark all convictions were later dismissed on appeal.
    
    Ardern will have a good tutor.
    
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    December 12, 2017 2:24pm
- freethinker
  
  Wilson certainly takes the odious honour of being The Worst Speaker ever – may she rot in hell, sooner the better.
  
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  December 12, 2017 3:29pm
  - MCos
    
    You come across as particularly bitter.
    I don’t think I’ve ever heard someone wish death on someone & eternal damnation for a perceived poor job as speaker.
    
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    December 12, 2017 3:46pm
Longknives

Give your kids the Gift of Leaves this Christmas!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/northland/archived-sections/national-news/99659870/Why-you-should-only-give-your-kids-one-present-this-Christmas

“”Instead of buying the boys presents they don’t need, she is creating a treasure hunt. And the treasure won’t be plastic rubbish, it will be things she’ll make out of leaves,”

What miserable,soulless fuckers the ‘Anti Christmas’ Brigade (Usually Lefties) are..
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December 12, 2017 8:07am
- Simon
  
  But with Labo in charge everyday now is Christmas.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:14am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Sure. 25 Dec is overdone, badly done, recent times nothing to do with its religious origins and a shameless endless blitzkrieg of nonsense from retailers.
  Should be renamed Xcember.
  Boxing day sale week and then New Year day sale week.
  $$$$$$$$$$ – ZZzZzzzZZzzzZzzz
  
  Getting close to when people go OTT at the supermarkets loading up on shit.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:21am
  - cmm
    
    ” with its religious origins”
    
    While I think the religious aspects are important, let’s be honest.
    
    The mid-winter festival pre-dates Christianity and was hijacked by the Christians, just like the Spring festival now known as Easter.
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:26am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Boring boring boring… Who gives tuppeny damn, cmm.
      
      ‘hijacked’ ffs…
      
      Yawn.
      
      Another anti- Christian bigot on KB.
      
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      December 12, 2017 9:00am
      - Swifty
        
        He’s right you know.
        
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        December 12, 2017 9:28am
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Living in Europe you desperately need some cheer, colour and fun in mid-winter. One can see how a mid winter festival was needed.
        
        Whenever Jesus was born and whatever the truth of his life and message, combining it with the mid winter festival has been beautiful and even atheist cultural christians enjoy it.
        
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        December 12, 2017 10:09am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Hardly hijacked. The early Christians chose to celebrate at the same time as existing pagan festivals so the pagans would be too preoccupied to persecute them.
      
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      December 12, 2017 9:10am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      cmm,
      
      The mid-winter festival pre-dates Christianity and was hijacked by the Christians, just like the Spring festival now known as Easter.
      
      That is not actually true despite the constant repetition here and on mainly atheist forums.
      
      December 25 is nine months after March 25, ie period of gestation of a baby.
      
      March 25 is the date of the Incarnation and the ancient date given to when God made the world.
      
      It’s more likely that paganism was drawn to mid-winter because that would be the time that Christ would eventually be born. Anything that significant would have caused ripples for a long time beforehand.
      
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      December 12, 2017 11:25am
  - KKKKatee
    
    I’m always amused when I see people ‘panic’ buying around Xmas and Easter. It’s almost like there’s a siege coming. So much stuff is crammed into trolleys, it’s unbelievable! We make a very sensible list based on what’s going to be on the menu. We’ve got it down to a fine art after years of practice. Our families all contribute to the dinner table. So there is very little wastage. It’s all about thinking it through and planning accordingly. Some, however, are unable to keep it simple but delicious!!
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:28am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      I’ve been tortured by big, hot meals in the middle of a scorching NZ Christmas day. No more: we keep it simple, small and in the evening. Some mid winter traditions need to be changed a bit in our climate.
      
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      December 12, 2017 10:14am
- VicParking
  
  No presents. Do your bit for NZ and give your kids a tree to plant.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:26am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Vic, Are you married to the lady making stuff out of leaves for her childrens’ gifts. Lots of fun in that house. ?
    
    I could do with another tree I’ve just planted. I’ll ask Santa.
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:38am
    - Longknives
      
      A few ‘Bah Humbug’ types on here I see.
      I won’t be planting trees and having a ‘Green’ Christmas- I’ll be giving my kids as many presents as I can..and enjoying every minute watching them opening!
      
      I can’t understand the Left’s need to attack every Western Cultural Tradition.
      Could you imagine a miserable Labour/Green Christmas? A day spent planting trees and exchanging gifts made from twigs and leaves followed by a finger wagging Christmas Message/lecture from Jacinda on ‘Poverdy and Inequality’ while you tuck into your Vegan Christmas Dinner..
      
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      December 12, 2017 8:47am
      - MT_Tinman
        
        I won’t be exchanging presents, nor will I be having a “green’ Xmas.
        
        I’ll be working – as I have done for the last 15 Xmas days. Xmas dinner in that time has usually consisted of a cheese and marmite sandwich.
        
        To me Xmas day is just another bloody day where everything is closed
        
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        December 12, 2017 9:08am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Tinman, Christmas is a hard time for many for various reasons… Seasons greetings anyway, and a virtual hug (only if you want one of course!) ?
        
        Enjoy your cheese and marmite sandwich.
        
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        December 12, 2017 9:24am
      - Longknives
        
        Ha Ha poor old Ebeneezer Tinman!
        I worked about ten years in a row of Christmas Days (Before I had kids)
        Still managed better than a marmite sandwich though..
        
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        December 12, 2017 10:40am
      - Paulus
        
        In Gisborne you mean – what has Gisborne done to have Cinderella there for Christmas ?
        
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        December 12, 2017 2:33pm
  - lifesgood
    
    You’d be doing a better job than the government yet to plant a single tree.
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:56am
  - VicParking
    
    Slow on the sarcasim this morning KB’ers
    
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    December 12, 2017 11:39am
- dime
  
  lol what a shit head. shes a therapist.
  
  guess where her kids will end up?
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:51am
- mara
  
  Ah yes but when you see little kids take more interest in the wrapping than the gift and have to be coaxed to open the seventeenth present you kind of realise that the whole exercise is ridiculous and somewhat depressing. If I had the time again I’d give the little ingrates an orange and a bubble blowing thingy in the same brown paper bag. Grrrrrr. I live in hope though that they will one day put me in a NICE rest home when I get feeble or mad. Merry Christmas all.
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:14am
  - fernglas
    
    Odds on they’d have had more fun with the brown paper bag. Just give them the wrapping.
    
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    December 12, 2017 11:04am
  - Paulus
    
    Many years ago my children preferred the boxes that presents came in and our dog chewed them up afterwards. His present.
    
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    December 12, 2017 2:34pm
Inandout

Who had a pay rise this year asks TV3? Who just lost a wage increase through less tax, summarily cancelled by the the Big Takatapui.
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December 12, 2017 8:10am
- KiWombat
  
  My diesel fuel bill has gone up 40% in the last month, need quite a wage increase to make up the gap !!
  
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  December 12, 2017 10:25am
  - flipper
    
    …. But, but, but….
    Wot about the Peters-Ardern Regime promise on local petrol taxes (which will attract GST) ??? So much, much worse to come .
    
    Of course the poof Robo, Twitford and Toothfairy will say “not our fault”.
    The drunken liar will sit, saying nothing, but looking stupid with his idiotic drunken smirk. Of course, when he does manage a few demented alcohol and tobacco impaired words, he will pin the blame on capitalism and his delusion of an imminent global economic collapse.
    BUT the real responsibility will remain where it is: with central Government. Without the enabling support and permission of Peters, Ardern and Robbo, Goff and his screwball mob could do nothing about regional taxes.
    
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    December 12, 2017 12:15pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      winston peters. Protege of rob the goblin. No surprises there.
      
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      December 12, 2017 1:48pm
lifesgood

I just saw a snippet from Breakfast – Jack Tame interviewing Bill English. Bill English looked happy, healthy, confident and relaxed. All power to him! I am sure he is enjoying watching the COL circus. Happy Christmas to Bill and all his family.
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December 12, 2017 8:13am
- cmm
  
  The last 9 years have been hard with GFC, earthquakes etc to deal with and Bill and the Gang have done a sterling job.
  
  Even without the relentless attacks from the useless MSM, they did a better job than any other government in the world you could mention and just got kicked in the balls for it.
  
  They deserve to have some time off. The first Christmas for ages when it is someone else’s problem.
  
  Go for a walk, watch some telly, have a beer and come back refreshed for 2020 and the next 9 years after that.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:19am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    I talked to an ex-cabinet minister the other day.
    
    She said she was enjoying the time to think without the pressure of government.
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:11am
waikatogirl

Bill on TV this morning being asked if he will help out the govt with their child poverdy proposal.

Bill: “haven’t received a request, haven’t seen the proposal, they have spent the budget on tertiary gifts and other big promises so there is no money left, they don’t know what they are doing”.

Merry Christmas to you too Bill. ?

Even Chris Trotter, the lefty cheerleader was shaking his head in disbelief at the complete shambles the CoL is.
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December 12, 2017 8:13am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  This would be the same Chris Trotter who when Little was tanking, beseeched Ardern to step on up proclaiming it was her time and that her party needed her?
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:39am
  - Inandout
    
    Chris is getting older and wiser, and he seems to think Winston threw Jacinda the PM title thinking she would be competent. Winston is now witnessing his Party slowly sinking into oblivion whilst tethered to a poisoned chalice.
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:09am
    - hullkiwi
      
      In a word, tough! Thems are the choices Winnie has made, so now he must live with them!
      
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      December 12, 2017 10:50am
      - freethinker
        
        And hopefully die – politically -with them.
        
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        December 12, 2017 3:34pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    Turns out Ardern is a big, big, disappointment and the honeymoon was over before it even began.
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:32am
    - RF
      
      The terms Flake & Airhead unfortunately describe our PM.
      
      How embarrassing.
      
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      December 12, 2017 2:30pm
    - Paulus
      
      Wait until the financial pain starts after the Budget on Thursday.
      So far only a warm up.
      
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      December 12, 2017 2:38pm
    - freethinker
      
      And look at her achievements in 100 days – nothing, I could write about her COL Govts stuff ups but David sensibly restricts comments to a million words.
      
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      December 12, 2017 3:35pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Meanwhile Newshub frames it as National being petty. “Nats won’t back poverty bill until Labour shows their serious.” From the article “Jacinda Ardern wants to drop politics to get cross-party buy-in for the Government’s new child poverty legislation” FFsake The Labour Government spent the last 9 years playing politics with Child Poverty. At what stage when they were in opposition did they work constructively with the government to improve it.
  
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  December 12, 2017 10:11am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Correction:
    “For the last 9 years the Labour Party played politics…”, not “government”.
    
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    December 12, 2017 10:53am
  - KevOB
    
    Tough.
    National showed they knew how to reduce poverty by the recent reports confirming that.
    Do the amateur ideologues know better?
    
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    December 12, 2017 12:20pm
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Well, National wanted to reduce poverty by ensuring the economy could provide for all. Labour thinks that the rich can just pay more, forgetting that the rich are doing quite nicely thank you very much, but it’s middle NZ that will pay the lions share. It’s the old crabs in a bucket routine!
      
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      December 12, 2017 3:35pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    If Jacinda wanted to cooperate with National she should have made a captain’s call for a grand coalition.
    
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    December 12, 2017 1:19pm
    - Paulus
      
      But in any Coalition she would still be on the backbench so no wonder she did sweet FA.
      
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      December 12, 2017 2:39pm
Hugh Pavletich

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UNITED STATES: THE CITIES WHERE A PAYCHECK STRETCHES THE FURTHEST 2017 … JOEL KOTKIN & WENDELL COX … NEW GEOGRAPHY

http://www.newgeography.com/content/005819-the-cities-where-a-paycheck-stretches-the-furthest-2017

We often conflate high salaries with prosperity, but that can be deceptive. Someone who lives in New York or San Francisco might make more money than a counterpart in the same profession in Houston or Dallas-Fort Worth, but when the cost of living is factored in, their Southern colleagues may actually come out ahead. … read more via hyperlink above …
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December 12, 2017 8:18am
- Rodney Randall
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/99358045/christchurchs-public-sector-ceo-salaries-revealed
  
  Joanna Norris (Ex editor of Fairfax shitrag The Press) CHCHNZ $325,000
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:21am
- cmm
  
  “We often conflate high salaries with prosperity”
  
  No only a moron would do that.
  
  If that it news to you then I hold you in even lower regard than I did in the past (and that was already pretty low).
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:21am
- RalphT
  
  I gave Hugh an uptick for keeping it to one small paragraph.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:27am
  - pdm
    
    And that worked – no – see below.
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:52am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  … Meantime … the housing bubble basket case of New Zealand … check http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
  
  Wellington business confidence plunges, following national trend | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/99669681/wellington-business-confidence-plunges-following-national-trend
  
  Confidence among Wellington businesses has plunged, with a majority expecting the national economy to deteriorate in the coming year.
  
  The Wellington Chamber of Commerce’s quarterly business confidence survey found that a net 13 per cent of businesses surveyed expected New Zealand’s economy to go backward, the first time the reading has been negative since 2009.
  
  While a net 16 per cent of businesses were positive about Wellington’s economy, the survey is typically strongly positive, with the trend in latest survey becoming far more downbeat. Three months ago a net 55 per cent of businesses surveyed were positive about Wellington’s fortunes. Read more via hyperlink above …
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  … following mid – November reports …
  
  Slump in business confidence poses ‘material risk’ to economy | Stuff.co.nz
  
  https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/99402320/business-sector-most-downbeat-since-early-2009-anz-survey
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  The latest RBNZ survey of house price expectations brings a sharp dive in those seeing gains in the future. In fact capital gains may have vanished; the risk is now to the downside | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90954/latest-rbnz-survey-house-price-expectations-brings-sharp-dive-those-seeing-gains-future
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:34am
  - In Vino Veritas
    
    Lol Hugh, let me school you on economics.
    Demand greater than supply = high prices.
    Auckland – they are not making any more land (that will clearly come as a surprise to you), demand out strips supply. Prices go up. Its not a bubble, its basic economics. Even if demand falls toward or below supply, the fall in prices will not be significant as there is no more land.
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:45am
    - KiWombat
      
      Interesting exercise for you to do:-
      Google “average Auckland home price 1960”
      Take that value, and double it every 8 years (which is the global average for real-estate appreciation.)
      I’m sure you will be surprised to find the result is pretty close to the average price today.
      This does not take into account that today’s “average” home probably has extra bathrooms, bedrooms, double garage and even a swimming pool!
      
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      December 12, 2017 10:36am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        KIWombat …
        
        Housing through the decades, what is affordable? | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2016/08/housing-through-the-decades-what-is-affordable.html
        
        … and too …
        
        The NZ homeowners who hate high house prices are revealed in Labour polling | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/90244287/The-NZ-homeowners-who-hate-high-house-prices-are-revealed-in-Labour-polling
        
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        December 12, 2017 11:56am
      - cmm
        
        ” This does not take into account that today’s “average” home probably has extra bathrooms, bedrooms, double garage and even a swimming pool!”
        
        State housing tenants turn their noses up at houses people would have been proud to own back in the 1950s and 60s.
        
        + don’t forget all the double glazing, insulation.
        
        + all the extra regulatory costs
        
        + all the extra building costs in nanny-state safety: scaffolding etc.
        
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        December 12, 2017 2:40pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        cmm … That’s called ‘progress.’
        
        May I respectfully suggest you ask your Labour friends what the word means.
        
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        December 12, 2017 3:15pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Why don’t we have Boomtowns anymore? … Brendon Harre … Medium Com
        
        https://medium.com/land-buildings-identity-and-values/why-is-it-hard-to-enter-some-cities-land-use-27433fc2b166
        
        … concluding …
        
        … Ultimately, like in the past, it is political will that is needed to break the regulatory logjam. The Financial Times has written that New Zealand’s new government’s “proposals to tackle homeless crisis could make nation a global test case”. Around the world progressive housing policy making work is being done and a head of steam is developing. Where the policy implementing steam will be successfully released is difficult to know. But the pressure is such that reform is inevitable. New Zealand’s new government has made a strong start with its housing, transport and urban planning reform announcements. Success though will be determined by whether New Zealand can sustain this degree of political will. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        December 12, 2017 6:10pm
    - freethinker
      
      You miss this aspect – global financial crisis – major Bank liquidity issue – price of houses in a forced sale whatever the cash buyer offers and it wont be an increase on todays value. With property prices in the order of 10 times income against a historic norm of 3-4 even a return to 5 times would halve property values.
      
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      December 12, 2017 3:39pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    … A Canadian perspective on housing bubbles …
    
    Garth Turner … Canada … The Greater Fool Blog
    
    http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
    
    … extract …
    
    … That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:04am
    - starboard
      
      My name is Hugh and I like to talk AT people..all day, all of the time. I think I was dropped on my head when I was a baby.
      
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      December 12, 2017 9:37am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        Remember this March report ? …
        
        New Zealand housing most unaffordable in the world – The Economist | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2017/03/new-zealand-housing-most-unaffordable-in-the-world-the-economist.html
        
        It’s official – New Zealand has the most unaffordable housing in the world, according to The Economist.
        
        Across five different measures, New Zealand has come out on top of three of the five measures for the most expensive global housing market.
        
        New Zealand has had the highest rise in house prices, costs the most against the average person’s income and now has the biggest difference between house prices and renting prices. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        … and this in September …
        
        NZ tops IMF’s housing unaffordability list | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/83750475/nz-tops-imfs-housing-unaffordability-list
        
        New Zealand’s housing unaffordability has reached another international high, in relation to how much we earn.
        
        The International Monetary Fund’s quarterly global housing watch report shows that New Zealand outpaced 30 other of the world’s richest countries when house prices were compared with income during the first quarter of this year.
        
        New Zealand hit nearly 130 points, topping an index which uses the year 2010 as its middle point. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        No wonder the brain dead Tories lost the election.
        
        It appears they haven’t learned a thing since either ! …
        
        NZ’s new housing minister lashes policy malfeasance – Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/12/nzs-new-housing-minister-lashes-policy-malfeasance/
        
        Hot on the heels of his masterful speech to the Salvation Army setting the framework for Labour’s housing reform agenda, New Zealand’s housing minister, Phil Twyford, has been presented with a damning briefing on the state of the market, which has caused “stark” inequality between young and old. From Stuff.co.nz: … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        December 12, 2017 10:22am
      - Victor Omega
        
        Hugh replies to his own posts as each of them get downvoted. Net effect, he bypasses the the downvote system and keeps his posts unhidden longer. Should be a yellow card imo.
        
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        December 12, 2017 10:25am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Sadly … Nick Smith was actually one of the ‘brighter’ Tories ! … check out his mess within the GONE GONE GOING (now GONE) section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
        Meet NZ’s newest housing idiot – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/meet-nzs-newest-housing-idiot/
        
        By Leith van Onselen
        
        Apparently Auckland’s housing market is no longer in “crisis”, according to the National opposition’s housing spokesman, Michael Woodhouse: … read more via hyperlink above …
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        As I keep reminding my fellow Tories … dumb is not beautiful … unless you are Goldie Hawn (and in contrast to Michael Woodhouse, she is only acting it … as she is very bright indeed) …
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mez8LZzA-tw
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:22pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.voxy.co.nz/politics/5/299857

This is the week average wage workers lose $1060 – Joyce

“Labour is set to rush through legislation at the end of this week to remove $1060 from the pay-packets of average Kiwis next year in the vain hope that no one will notice, National Party Finance Spokesman Steven Joyce says.”

“We need to remember that both New Zealand First and the Greens voted in support of the tax package seven months ago that Labour now want to unwind. They also didn’t campaign on removing it.”

BASTARDS
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December 12, 2017 8:19am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Quite so Rodney. And for those Kiwis on or just above the threshold where the $1060 tax cut would have kicked in, this money would have been very welcome. Instead Labour will reverse the tax cuts, and we will be worse off, not better.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:26am
  - lifesgood
    
    Not only reverse the tax cuts but increase taxes everywhere. I concur, Rodney – BASTARDS!
    
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    December 12, 2017 10:18am
    - Paulus
      
      I wonder whether those Pensioners who adored and voted for Winston understand they have now been stuffed without the legislated tax cuts National put into law.
      By reducing the taxes so pensioners would have got $12 a week more each.
      Stupid old sods (and I am old too but not yet senile enough to vote for the liar Peters.)
      
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      December 12, 2017 2:44pm
- Tricati
  
  Could agree more RR – Jacinda and her gutless wonders are going to use urgency to push through the rescinding legislation during the last sitting week before Christmas.
  National must use every opportunity to slow this down and expose the hypocrisy of the Greens and NZF, who voted for the original bill.
  
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  December 12, 2017 10:02am
VicParking

Pension day today. Time to think of Winston the champion of the over 65’s. He will surely vote against the bill taking away money from the old and frail………..
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December 12, 2017 8:30am
- holysheet
  
  Nah sorry to burst your bubble, but the drunken dwarf has long forgotten about the oldies. Like him, they are well past their use by date. They have outlived their use to the drunken dwarf. This will be his last term in parliament.
  Wait until we actually see what liabore doesn’t want us to see they signed up for in their haste to get the baubles of power.
  This clusterfuck of a govt will self implode before the next year is out.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:39am
  - peterwn
    
    Wrong – he has not forgotten about the oldies – his main campaign focus is rest home, Grey Power etc meetings – they still think he is marvellous for defending the superannuation, Super Gold Card etc.
    Labour could well provide an extra boost to superannuation in April to compensate for the to be cancelled tax cuts.
    I had assumed Winston was ‘finished’ in 2008, but he made an amazing political recovery in 2011.
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:08am
    - KevOB
      
      Very few in rest homes are affected. Their pensions are withheld to pay for their care.
      
      Those surviving in their own homes are feeling the pinch. Poverty is not limited to Jacinda’s choices.
      
      Winston has done the dirty.
      
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      December 12, 2017 12:35pm
    - Paulus
      
      Labour boosting superannuation – stop dreaming – they do not like Superannuants at all and vilify them -they would abolish them if they could.
      
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      December 12, 2017 2:47pm
      - sooty
        
        Don’t get no union fees out of the oldies!
        
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        December 12, 2017 8:34pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Sadly hoysheet the Od-buds-man has sided with the COL and said it should remain a secret. This will not go away any time soon and it is crazy for the Commie Chick to leave such a big stick around to be waved at them.
    
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    December 12, 2017 6:33pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/99761327/pipe-bomb-strapped-to-man-explodes-in-nyc-subway-injuring-four

A man wearing a pipe bomb attached with Velcro and zip ties has set off an explosive in the Times Square subway station, injuring himself and three others, sending ambulances racing and commuters fleeing as Christmas shoppers poured into New York City in the US.

The 27-year-old suspect, Akayed Ullah, wore the device that went off shortly after 7am Monday (3am Tuesday NZT), Police Commissioner James O’Neill said at a news conference near the scene. Ullah suffered serious burns, while other victims had minor injuries, he said.

Mayor Bill de Blasio said it was believed the bomb went off prematurely: “This was an attempted terrorist attack. Thank God the perpetrator did not achieve his ultimate goals.”

What is it with these inbred animals and their shitty improvised devices?
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December 12, 2017 8:31am
- holysheet
  
  False news yet again. The followers of the religion of peace do not do this kind of thing. Must be a Buddha follower.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:42am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inanities, Inanities all is Inanities thus saith the Lord of Hosts !
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:58am
- Longknives
  
  ‘Akayed Ullah’.
  
  That’s all you need to know.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:50am
- kevn
  
  If you came across this clown on the deck, in pain after his shitty bomb burnt him, wouldn’t you just want to kick him hard in the nuts whilst shouting profanities? Yep.
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:42am
  - Longknives
    
    I’d like to offer him a Bacon Sandwich while he writhes about in agony..
    
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    December 12, 2017 10:38am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Longknives: Careful, bacon sammies left on the mosque entrance way gets you 15 years in the slammer in some parts of the world!
      
      Meanwhile returning Is fighters are offered respite/lodgings in the UK.
      
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      December 12, 2017 11:17am
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        Pitty he did not hide the bomb up his arse!
        
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        December 12, 2017 1:01pm
- VicParking
  
  He was such an idiot he could not even kill himself.
  
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  December 12, 2017 11:43am
  - holysheet
    
    Must be a stooopidboy relation then.
    
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    December 12, 2017 12:17pm
Poppa

So I wonder how Greens & NZ1 will spin this then?

They voted for it & now they will vote to repeal it.

Sanctimonious mongrels
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December 12, 2017 8:31am
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/99753115/teenager-dies-from-excessive-exercise-regime-for-muay-thai

Stuff writes shit again…. The headline reads like she exercised herself to death.

Meanwhile the real problem was all the dehydration she was doing to try cut herself down into a more favourable weight class.

Sad and all, but the mother should acknowledge her lapses as a parent here rather than blaming the lack of regulations.
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December 12, 2017 8:34am
- dime
  
  weight cutting is a science and obviously dangerous
  
  some of the athletic commissions in the US are starting to crack down at the higher levels which is good.
  
  stuff are full of shit as usual.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:55am
Rodney Randall

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/35235942/muslim-cleric-who-called-halal-certification-a-scam-insulted-and-spat-at-during-sydney-visit/#page1

Halal certification scam

A interesting small video featuring Sheikh Imam Tawhidi who received a harsh reception in Lakema, a suburb considered to be the Muslim heartland of Sydney.

Tawhidi holds controversial views on Islam, calling for tough action against radicals and suggesting Halal certification is a money making ‘scam’ and that it is unnecessary.
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December 12, 2017 8:38am
- kevn
  
  Rodney… Not so much controversial as sensible. He comes over as a decent fellow in the interviews I have seen.
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:37am
OTGO

7:47 AM An expert warns the President’s junk food addiction may be impacting his brain function.

Headline from Stuff this morning. Go on click on it, you know you want to.
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December 12, 2017 8:41am
Left Right and Centre

(1) 110km/h. Fantastic – now the clueless foreigners are going to be another 10km/h slower – hahaha

(2) PC bullshit of the day: ‘freedom sleeper’. Can you guess ?

(3) I just love the Fonterra ads which I unfortunately can’t avoid every single last market saturation level broadcast of. Three kiwi kids in a Fonterra ad and three kiwi kids in a Tip Top ad. Well – two kiwi kids in each ad plus a diversity quota genius sounding fat cuzzy-bro in one and Asian girl in the other.

I can’t wait to see a really cool looking Indian with the full terrorist beard and turban on TV – like one I saw; odd looking – young, tall, skinny, a forward tilting neck and head from poor posture, and a giant cluttered head area to resemble a Pez dispenser.

The social message from Tip Top ? It’s good to share. Thanks for the reminder Tip Top. What on earth would anyone do if they didn’t watch some paid rubbish for selling ice cream ?
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- holysheet
  
  They obviously are not thinking of the children. All that nasty sugar being consumed is not the things we want to be telling our kids.
  Oh who will think of the children, bad Fonterra……
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:45am
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    holysheet , still licking you’re gaping wounds in the aftermath of 23rd September ?
    
    Suggest a remedial rub of rock salt !
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:02am
    - starboard
      
      Stooopid boy steffyboy. Been to Mt Roskillstan lately?
      How about St Lukes Mall..you know, perving at ” nubile teen muslim girls”. Grubby grub.
      
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      December 12, 2017 9:43am
      - thedavincimode
        
        It isn’t rock salt that pervieboy rubs down at the mall.
        
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        December 12, 2017 9:53am
      - Swifty
        
        I’m off to St Lukes in about 10 mins – will report back if I see any any lefty-looking pervs in gabardine coats.
        
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        December 12, 2017 11:38am
      - stephieboy
        
        You’re obviously still licking yours !
        
        Out with the theatrical tear kits .
        
        Sniffle , sniffle . Boo hoo !
        
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        December 12, 2017 1:35pm
- flipper
  
  Yeahhh…
  But the bullshit extension to 110 is like a kiss from a sister.. …looks good, but ………
  The fact of the matter is that four lane and/or divided roads are NOT necessary to implement a safe 110 posted limit ( and reduced limits on some, especially gravel roads) . This BS LTA standard adds millions to the cost of road (re) construction need be applied in areas with medium/light traffic density. Shove it !
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:08am
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    What I need to know is what the tolerance above 110k will be. If it’s nothing, the whole exercise was pointless.
    
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    December 12, 2017 11:06am
Agricola

What dreary shitty boilerplate nonsense Red Radio is. Distempered termagant Kim Hill was trying to bite Bill English this morning. How he managed such self restraint is beyond me. Public radio my arse….
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December 12, 2017 8:44am
flipper

‘morning Waikato.
Agree with all that. I have enjoyed your posts of late, and on the mark again today.
and…
Attention everyone…..
When is Ardern (& dyke Simpson), on behalf of the Peters-Ardern Regime going to release their response to the Ombudsman?
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December 12, 2017 8:51am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cheers flipper. I enjoy your posts too.
  
  Bill is looking very relaxed. Clearly enjoying being the leader of an effective opposition, and enjoying having some down time to catch his breath after the last 9 years in govt. He said he took his 18 year old son to look around the opposition offices. The son last visited when he was 3 and remembered a window that he could slide down. The window slide was not so awesome now!
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:12am
- Paulus
  
  The Ombudsman has said they do not have to release the Agreement as she was not PM at the time, so is not a Government paper.
  So it will have to be leaked as I am sure a number of people have it and are careful of Peters’s desire to litigate anything if it is leaked.
  
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  December 12, 2017 2:52pm
dime

heh its funny reading “articles” where they talk about money being added to the US debt.

obama added how many trillions? hardly a fucking peep.

trump is going to make it so people get to keep more of their own money (the balance taken by force from the almighty government) so now adding to the debt is a thing.

Obama – added 9 trillion.
Trump tax bill – may add 1 trillion over 10 years. oh the humanity!
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December 12, 2017 9:02am
- stephieboy
  
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  dime , GWB did the same and we know what happened there . Trump wants to ratchet up defence spending big time not forgetting that Mexican wall fantasy of his and other big infrastructure projects that takes his fancy .
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:06am
  - dime
    
    urgh reply to someone elses comments.
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:11am
  - flipper
    
    Childish understanding.
    Child-like views
    Childish pseudonym
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:11am
  - Inandout
    
    stephieboy, take thee to your nearest mosque and ask for a prematurely exploding pipe bomb. That may be the only way of silencing your garbage.
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:17am
    - Nostradamus
      
      That’s not quite right, Inandout. A visit to St Lukes should keep Stephieboy off Kiwiblog for a couple of hours at least!
      
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      December 12, 2017 9:33am
      - Inandout
        
        Yes but that is not the sort of explosion I am speaking of, because that is temporary.
        
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        December 12, 2017 9:41am
      - thedavincimode
        
        He’s reserved a seat with splooge. Aqualung meets Aqualung.
        
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        December 12, 2017 9:56am
- freethinker
  
  It took the US about 150 years to accumulate 8 Trillion in debt and Obuma doubled it in 8 years – democrats like Labour are just Tax & Spend arseholes.
  
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  December 13, 2017 8:16am
Sofia

Here is one problem Ardern needs to overcome …

”During the campaign English said he would commit to a target of reducing child poverty by 100,000 – saying National’s mix of tax cuts, extra Working for Families and Accommodation Supplement payments would lift 50,000 out of poverty.
Last week the latest data from the Child Poverty Monitor showed that 10,000 children were helped out of severe poverty, while material hardship for 20,000 children had been reduced.” – NZ Herald

… screeds of bloody figures but no totals, renders all this reporting into meaningless rubbish.
It appears there are two levels: severe poverty, and material hardship.
Ardern needs to precisely define each and give totals for each.

This morning Ardern also revealed she hoped to get bi-partisan agreement over child poverty – Ardern plans to set a target to reduce child poverty and has called to “take the politics out of poverty.”

Again, to have any meaningful “conversation” needs a precise definition and totals to start with.
Otherwise it is fairy dust and Ms Universe bumper sticker slogans.
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December 12, 2017 9:18am
- artemisia
  
  The opposition can agree to a yuuuge increase in funding for the next 3 years to reduce child poverty to zero. With clear measurements of course.
  
  So going into the 2020 election there will be no child poverty so only status quo or less funding required.
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:43am
- KevOB
  
  The Nats are proven poverty busters–it ain’t easy and it takes time. Taxinda needs to get the formula from Bill. Without any training her “government” could cause one big mess.
  
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  December 12, 2017 12:41pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  There is no “poverty” in NZ. We have a well funded, functioning social welfare system that provides food, clothing and shelter. By definition therefore, poverty cannot exist in this country.
  Give the World Bank’s definition of moderate poverty is living on less than $3.10USD per day, and a beneficiary in NZ gets between $141 and $395 per week depending on age and circumstance, the same applies. There IS no poverty in NZ. Therefore, we do not have to waste time and resources fixing a problem that does not exist.
  
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  December 12, 2017 12:47pm
Brito

I know this post is repetitive which can be tedious, but I’m curious.

Has anyone heard from the lying Persian Princess of late???
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December 12, 2017 9:20am
- KKKKatee
  
  It looks like she’s been muzzled for the time being. The idiot Shaw thinks we’re all going to forget about the back story around Ghahraman. Thing is, we won’t.
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:36am
- realityczech
  
  Now now Brittle keep your kippah on, it’s not Purim yet my friend. 🙂
  
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  December 12, 2017 12:21pm
  - Brito
    
    Ah Purim. Now there’s a party.
    
    Just imagine the first one. 180 days of feasting and drinking, and old Ahasuerus made his wife Vashti get her kit off so all could see her beauty.
    
    Can you imagine Soy Boy telling Cindy to do that? No! These people DO not know how to party.
    
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    December 12, 2017 5:48pm
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      Keep calm Brittle. Once this religious nonsense is over the Persians will be back to wearing mini skirts and holidays in Israel ☺
      
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      December 12, 2017 7:31pm
stephieboy

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From strength to Strength for our PM,

“Strike a pose: PM Jacinda Ardern to feature in Vogue”

“Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern is set to feature in the March issue of United States’ Vogue magazine as she continues to attract interest from international media.

A spokesman for Ardern confirmed Ardern had done an interview with Vogue and a photo shoot would take place this weekend…”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11956079
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December 12, 2017 9:28am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  I think there’s been a mistake. She’s actually on the cover of Vague. Their new poster girl apparently.
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:43am
  - kevn
    
    Great PR for a UN slot… Just more posturing and virtue signalling from NZers point of view.
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:50am
  - geoff3012
    
    Nah.
    
    Horse and pony.
    
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    December 12, 2017 10:28am
    - Disillusioned_Voter
      
      Don’t you mean phony?
      
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      December 12, 2017 10:39am
- Disillusioned_Voter
  
  Wow, appearing on the cover of Vogue…
  #GettingSh!tDoneLikeABoss.
  
  For the avoidance of doubt, this is sarcasm.
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:47am
  - Brito
    
    Dripping with…
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:50am
- Nostradamus
  
  Stephieboy:
  
  I thought this was your preferred demographic when it comes to photoshoots – or, in that case, photoshops?
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/01/general_debate_22_january_2016-2.html#comment-1858866 [your comment, which DPF gave you a well-deserved strike for]
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:49am
  - Swifty
    
    What a filthy little bugger that stephieboy is.
    
    Vile.
    
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    December 12, 2017 10:16am
- rangitoto
  
  Is Vogue still around? I thought Taxinda said capitalism had failed.
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:57am
- waikatogirl
  
  We talked about this days ago Stephie. Vogue not “working class” voter appropriate.
  
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  December 12, 2017 10:33am
- holysheet
  
  You mean like this one?
  
  http://www.funnyjunk.com/funny_pictures/227943/Motivational#64aa2a_327532
  
  Looks like Cindy to me.
  
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  December 12, 2017 12:23pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  I think the scene will be beside a a narrow point in a small stream, with abundant saplings along the stream edges. Ardern will be in her bathing costume.
  
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  December 12, 2017 12:49pm
Jack5

Whale roasts Harman and the Nats who are thinking of setting up a satellite conservative party.

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/12/harman-crack-listening-closely-bridges-faction/#more-351297
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December 12, 2017 9:31am
- Chuck Bird
  
  It is unlikely that the Nats would set up a phony party. However, the could gift a seat to either the Conservative Party if they could improve polling. They could also do a deal with Shane Jones if he leads NZF. He would of course have to agree to go with them.
  
  An other alternative would be to do what both parties did under FPP. That is allow and encourage a faction headed by someone like Simon O’Conner.
  
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  December 12, 2017 12:54pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Why so much interest in the Nats chucky; you being a pinko first chap and all? Why would you and your commie mates want the Nats to succeed?
    
    So which way will your team vote on canning the tax cuts given they voted them in?
    
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    December 12, 2017 1:51pm
Brito

How did this one slip past the Stuff censors?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/99734505/lack-of-postelection-bounce-an-ominous-sign-for-new-government
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December 12, 2017 9:32am
- KevOB
  
  It may reflect their disillusionment too.
  Trotter shows a better understanding of NZ political reality than Jacinda.
  
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  December 12, 2017 12:48pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Oh, that is hilarious! Arden is a warrior queen and National are the Romans!
  
  Chris Trotter has always been a tad melodramatic and more than a bit loose with his analogies.
  
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  December 12, 2017 2:18pm
Victor Omega

NOT Botulism

Officials refuse to release any test results proving it was botulism which afflicted the Waikato family who ate a wild boar, even under OIA. Yesterday an article ran in Stuff with the headline “Family struck down with botulism” yet in the article itself they make this admission “At this stage there are no test results showing that it is botulism”. Wait…what? How is that any different to running a headline “Husband murders wife” and then printing “there is no evidence that the husband murdered his wife”. They would get strung up for that.

All the meat has now been destroyed by “public health officials”. No test for any other toxin was done prior to destroying the meat, including sodium fluroacetate or any of it’s toxic derivatives.

Why would “public health officials” destroy evidence prior to any conclusive test results?

Unless they have something to hide.
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December 12, 2017 9:37am
- waikatogirl
  
  Isn’t it illegal to destroy evidence in a possible attempted murder investigation?
  
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  December 12, 2017 10:35am
  - Victor Omega
    
    Govt officials destroyed evidence and the press fabricated a very misleading storyline to confuse the public.
    Those are facts, not a conspiracy theory.
    How it can’t be of concern to everyone is beyond me.
    
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    December 12, 2017 10:50am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think the real story is coming to light… and it was as I suspected..
      dodgy meat is being hawked off to unsuspecting folks.
      https://www.maoritelevision.com/news/regional/waikato-whanau-members-paralysed-following-illegal-meat-sale
      
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      December 12, 2017 11:21am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        Maggy, thank you for bringing that matter to our attention. I should be able to read about that in my morning paper, but without bloggers like you I would remain ignorant.
        Once again, thanks.
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:50pm
      - Jack5
        
        Yes, thank you Maggie.
        
        Could the motive for the apparent cover-up be political correctness? Don’t embarrass minority folk?
        
        That would fit with the MSM’s apparent lack of interest.
        
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        December 12, 2017 1:01pm
      - Victor Omega
        
        Good sleuthing, but isn’t that a moot point? How they got the meat seems inconsequential for the time being. How/why it made them so sick is the immediate question.
        Assuming was the meat, as others have said.
        
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        December 12, 2017 1:46pm
- marcw
  
  Some circumstantial evidence that the illness was botulism related is in the fact they (relatively) rapidly responded to anti-botulism toxin treatment. They can’t say that the ‘fresh’ wild pork was the source, and circumstances as we currently know suggest that is in fact an unlikely source. Was it freshly killed? We only have the say so of one of the victims so far. What else did they eat or add to the pork that hasn’t been revealed publicly? Maybe something illegally brought into the country?
  
  Also, they will have kept samples from those sent for testing in Australia in storage here still, even if the actual meat itself has been destroyed.
  
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  December 12, 2017 11:41am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We have been fed a story that the folks had eaten fresh wild boar… but that doesn’t make sense…
    as the botulism bacteria would not have had time to breed up and produce toxins in the meat.
    
    It seems most likely that if the folks truly have been exposed to botulism, they have eaten contaminated meat.
    That meat would have been been poorly prepared or incorrectly frozen and consequently been contaminated for weeks/ months.
    
    I very much doubt that MSM reporters have any knowledge whatsoever of home-kill practices or dodgy meat sellers.
    
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    December 12, 2017 3:31pm
JasonJohns

Jason Johns is BACK.
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December 12, 2017 9:38am
- stephieboy
  
  Who ?
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:46am
  - Lucia Maria
    
    realityczech’s trolling buddy and alter ego.
    
    From the kea stable of trolls.
    
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    December 12, 2017 2:21pm
- realityczech
  
  JJ sort out stupidboy for us thanks 🙂
  
  He has proven resistant to all other interventions.
  
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  December 12, 2017 12:31pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Apologies if comment has already been made, but I read an online article/opinion piece in stuffed or horrid by Guy Williams gushing over why Me Tu was his NZ’er of the year. I thought it was a comedy piece, but no – serious opinion…….If that is the case surely he needed to declare he is banging green mp golrez gonerrahaman ?
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December 12, 2017 9:41am
- starboard
  
  Exactly. Gay Williams is a tool.
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:46am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    No. Mr GG is not a tool, a tool is occasionally useful.
    
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    December 12, 2017 11:22am
- kevn
  
  Old M… Golly has become popular with an odd circle to be sure. Just another stepping stone to something I guess.
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:47am
- Morrissey
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Never mind about Guy; I’d bet Bill O’Reilly’s monthly whoring budget that YOU wish that YOU were “banging” someone as lovely as Golriz.
  
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  December 12, 2017 10:05am
  - Swifty
    
    What an odious comment.
    
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    December 12, 2017 10:14am
  - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
    
    You progressive vegan communists are so funny…..If I had Bill’s budget, I would choose someone less hairy and less whingy…..and probably more honest about her intentions…….
    
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    December 12, 2017 10:22am
    - Morrissey
      
      Sure you would, Mickey. You don’t fancy a bit of Iranian gorgeousness. Not one bit. Not one little bit at all.
      
      And you’re not envious of Guy Williams. Not one little bit.
      
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      December 12, 2017 10:35am
      - Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
        
        Not thanks, not interested in Iranian Gonorrhea.
        
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        December 12, 2017 11:26am
      - starboard
        
        Id probably consider doing her spit roast..but thats about all. Would be lowering of my usual high standards, but a mans not a camel.
        
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        December 12, 2017 11:36am
      - SGA
        
        Far out – stay classy people – sheesh.
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:57pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’d bet Bill O’Reilly’s monthly whoring budget that YOU wish that YOU were “banging” someone as lovely as Golriz.
    
    Why don’t you ask James Shaw about that?
    
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    December 12, 2017 10:31am
    - Morrissey
      
      Oh, VERY good, my friend. Very, very, very good.
      
      Oh yes.
      
      Fancy Miss Ghahraman as well, do you?
      
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      December 12, 2017 10:36am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Not in the slightest Morrissey. If she lies about her career to date, what else would she be untruthful about?
        
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        December 12, 2017 12:38pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Cripes KS, you’re surely not suggesting that she can pirouette in the horizontal plane are you??
        
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        December 12, 2017 1:53pm
    - flipper
      
      …. oooooo…. Keeping. Naughty but accurate. 🙂
      
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      December 12, 2017 12:24pm
  - Disillusioned_Voter
    
    Yeah, nah. not seeing anyone being keen on Guy’s sloppy seconds…
    
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    December 12, 2017 10:37am
Morrissey

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The epitome of uselessness, or: Why
nobody trusts or respects the Democrats

mealy-mouthed (adj.) afraid to speak frankly or straightforwardly.

RNZ National’s Jim Mora reckons this fool is “the greatest orator of our generation.”….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPqOotT_ta8
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December 12, 2017 10:02am
- Garbageman
  
  “The epitome of uselessness”
  Morrissey 1,622 COMMENTS
  
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  December 12, 2017 12:45pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Oh, ouch!
    
    https://i.imgur.com/JV2qEt2.gif?1
    
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    December 12, 2017 2:09pm
Stars And Stripes

Recently been chewing over the “child poverty” thing and why since the election there has been a noticeable reduction in the amount of these stories appearing in the media especially since we are coming up to Xmas where usually daily we have an expose of families who have no presents, can’t afford Xmas dinner blah blah blah.
So I can only come up with 3 explanations why:
1.Child poverty no longer exists.
–No that is not credible.
2.The media was against the government in the run up to the election.
–Certain sections of it were but on the whole I don’t really think that was the case.
3.The individuals and associated sympathetic groups who were shopping these stories to the media are now the ones in government.
–Personally I believe this gets to the heart of the matter. Now the pushers of these stories are in power it is no longer in their interests to get them published as it will make them look bad hence they have largely disappeared.
Unfortunately the media got sucked in and could not see the child poverty campaign for what it really was.
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December 12, 2017 10:09am
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  I always assumed that child poverty went away as soon as the house of representatives went into recess…..as if by magic !
  
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  December 12, 2017 10:30am
  - marcw
    
    Also when school holidays start – students always seem to feed themselves adequately at home when school’s out, judging by the “obesity” statistics.
    
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    December 12, 2017 11:49am
- marcw
  
  It is an amalgamation of your points 2 & 3 – about equal I think.
  
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  December 12, 2017 11:47am
Jack5

More evidence that compared with our Stephiestani mall stalker with a penchant for “small, firm breasts,” Donald Trump is a candidate to become an honorary Ms Feminista.

A TV hostess scorned: Megyn Kelly targets Donald Trump, interviewing three women accusing him of various levels of inappropriate behaviour.

One woman talked about an alleged incident on a plane years ago. No corroboration. Wasn’t very convincing. Why no complaint at the time?

A second was a beauty pageant contestant, whose complaint was on this level:

“He just looked me up and down like [I] was just like a piece of meat, that I wasn’t a person with a brain. It left me feeling very gross.”

The third was a secretary who alleges Trump held on to her hand too long then kissed her. Mmm.

(From the photograph, she would be safe from the leering Stephiestani – too mature.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/11/donald-trumps-metoo-moment-three-women-accuse-sexual-misconduct/
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December 12, 2017 10:12am
- Inandout
  
  If you chance to see a Tom Scott cartoon in today’s Dompost you will realise that ancient cartoonist is Trump-obsessed. Unusually, as Tom ages he becomes more socialist and this reduces his subject matter because Cindy is definitely a no go area; John Key and his family weren’t.
  
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  December 12, 2017 10:25am
- Morrissey
  
  “No corroboration”? How many witnesses do you want? Do you realize how many women have testified against the Groper in Chief?
  
  Oh, you’re one of those science-deniers, aren’t you? Mere fripperies like evidence is all part of the liberal-leftist-Jewish conspiracy, isn’t it?
  
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  December 12, 2017 10:39am
  - Jack5
    
    Morning Morrissey, Head Groper Grounder:
    
    Your groping claims will surely include accusations from at least some bullshitters.
    
    In the three Kelly interviews, the woman on the plane seems to have done nothing about a fellow passenger who she says groped her. She just moved seats. Years later she sees a picture of Trump and thinks it was him. Why didn’t she pursue the matter at the beginning? How do we know she’s not some Democrat-or-worse hit woman?
    
    Gropers have been around for ages. There was one prominent New Zealander – from Christchurch – no woman wanted to sit beside at a function because he was notorious for fondling knees etc. He got a knighthood for his good work for sport and the community, and people just regarded his wandering hands as a weakness. So many people knew, and looked out for others who didn’t know of his penchant, he probably did less harm to others than he would have by, say, heavily smoking cigarettes.
    
    The present surge of accusations resembles mass hysteria, a dam busting. The level at which offence is taken is diving. And the witch-hunters are finding new men-beasts almost every day.
    
    Is it coincidence that this is occurring at the same time gender identity is under attack, and males everywhere are being mass pussy-whipped by feministas and their girly-men allies? Do the valkyries want equality, or do they want to rule?
    
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    December 12, 2017 11:06am
    - Morrissey
      
      Some very good points there, my friend. “Girly-men”? “Valkyries”?
      
      I like your style, big boy!!
      
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      December 12, 2017 2:52pm
  - Fletch
    
    I thought Clinton was the Groper In Chief.
    
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    December 12, 2017 11:22am
    - Morrissey
      
      He was, before making way for George W. Groper.
      
      Then it was a Hoper (or, more accurately, a No-hoper) for eight years, before the present horrific incumbent….
      
      https://i.redd.it/3u8qfo8qwtqx.jpg
      
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      December 12, 2017 3:05pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I wonder if any of them have children? Sounds like the Donald didn’t fancy any of them, how galling.
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:16pm
Manolo

Is our own stephieboy still shouting Allahu akbar?
https://nypost.com/2017/12/11/explosion-reported-at-port-authority-bus-terminal/

An ISIS-inspired would-be suicide bomber set off a homemade explosive device at the Port Authority Bus Terminal subway station Monday morning, seriously wounding himself and injuring three others, law enforcement sources said.

The man — a 27-year-old Brooklyn man identified by high ranking police sources as Akayed Ullah — had wires attached to him and a 5-inch metal pipe bomb and battery pack strapped to his midsection as he walked through the Manhattan transit hub.
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December 12, 2017 10:19am
Morrissey

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Disgusting rich pricks think they can do anything and get away with it.

The world watches in fascinated horror every day as the zomboid version of Richie Rich creates havoc in the White House and beyond.

But stupid rich men out of control is not a phenomenon limited to that beleaguered republic. Yesterday New Zealanders became aware of the massive sense of entitlement by one unfeasibly wealthy git who wants to be able to fly his helicopter AT ANY TIME in a city neighbourhood. He’s not some surgeon on call, or anything useful like that; he wants to fly himself and his rich “friends” to golf games, not drive or bus there like the rest of us oiks.

Ten years ago, another rich prick with a similar level of awareness walked around Porirua, attempting to curry favour with the locals. That was an unwise move on his part….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTzfTq88XYc
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December 12, 2017 10:27am
- Rodney Randall
  
  “That was an unwise move on his part”
  
  His flip flopping here on mimimum wage is pretty lame.
  
  Of course if he hadn’t walked around Porirua and met face to face with the locals you probably would have had a cry too:)
  
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  December 12, 2017 11:12am
- Jack5
  
  Morrissey, I’m full of admiration the way you can keep your ears peeled to the ZB network, to Radio NZ ‘s Labour Programme, and pummel shit out of Kiwiblog – all at the same time.
  
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  December 12, 2017 11:12am
  - Jack5
    
    Yep, you keep your eyes “peeled” but your ears “tuned”. Sorry, Mr Breen the Keen.
    
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    December 12, 2017 11:18am
    - sooty
      
      Is there more than one?
      
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      December 12, 2017 8:46pm
- rangitoto
  
  Aren’y they all rich pricks in Herne Bay. It’s not just Cunliffe you know.
  
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  December 12, 2017 11:19am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    This David Cunliffe?
    
    https://youtu.be/Dz1FLnPgJQw
    
    “The greasy little fella in the blue suit…”; really classy stuff from Mr Cunliffe, delivered in faux ghetto accent.
    
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    December 12, 2017 12:19pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      The irony of that plonker calling Key greasy – why did his wife leave him after he got the arse at the election?
      
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      December 12, 2017 1:42pm
      - Swifty
        
        A very good point, Mr Crumb.
        
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        December 12, 2017 4:25pm
    - Swifty
      
      I must say that was a real low point for Cunliffe.
      
      I bet he’s embarrassed looking back at it.
      
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      December 12, 2017 4:28pm
tom hunter

I’ve been celebrating the recent fall of many Lefty idols in the media complex under a deluge of allegations of sexual abuse – the sort of shit they’ve flung at Righties forever, the farcical “War on Women” in 2012 for example – when they weren’t telling the Right that they were Victorian prudes – “squares” – hung up about sex.

But I’ve also been well aware of the witchhunt nature of the process and the eerie similarities between this episode and the events of The Terror following the French Revolution, not to mention Stalin’s show trials and purges in the 1930’s and Mao’s Cultural Revolution, with its empowered “struggle sessions”.

And now there is further evidence of this mentality within the Left:

Garrison Keillor has been disappeared into the Memory Hole. If you look for his biography or the archived shows from a half century of “A Prairie Home Companion” on the website of Minnesota Public Radio since his fall from grace, you’ll now find only this: “Sorry, but there’s no page here.”

Keillor and his entire body of work from “A Prairie Home Companion” and “Writer’s Almanac” have been effectively erased from the archives of MPR, along with the work of all the other storytellers, singers, poets and production staff who made the shows successful.

Note that this has not been done by his “enemies” on the Right, but by the very people he championed and hung out with for 50 years. Art should be able to be separated from the artist, but in the Left-wing world of “everything is political”, it can’t be. It prompted this comment from Rod Dreher:

I hear from readers who grew up in Communist countries, and who tell me that they sense more and more the same atmosphere of their youth coming into existence here. This erasing of Keillor and his enormous and valuable creative legacy from history has to be setting off their internal alarms.
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December 12, 2017 10:32am
rangitoto

Trump tells NASA “go back to the Moon”.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5168795/Trump-tells-NASA-send-Americans-Moon.html

Best president since Kennedy.
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December 12, 2017 11:04am
- fernglas
  
  Back? You mean they really went there in the first place?
  
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  December 12, 2017 11:12am
  - dime
    
    taking the piss? right?
    
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    December 12, 2017 11:26am
    - Morrissey
      
      dime, you do realize you’re on Science Denial Central, don’t you?
      
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      December 12, 2017 2:30pm
- tom hunter
  
  Let’s hope NASA has learned the lesson of the Obama years and will simply lay out a full contract with a number of companies to get the job done – rather than simply contracting them to build individual bits that NASA puts together and plans and trains for as in the glory days of Apollo.
  
  That worked well – but it worked far less well in the case of the Space Shuttle and the ISS.
  
  One of the few good things that came from the Obama Administration was that they largely forced NASA to shut down its failing efforts at building rockets and spacecraft and made it simply ask for jobs to be done on it’s behalf – like supplying the ISS – and letting the private sector get on with it. The result has been, among other companies, SpaceX, which has produced rockets and a launching system literally many times cheaper than NASA said it could be done for. SpaceX is the cheapest in the world, and is actually getting cheaper. Ten years ago it was thought that the USA would continue to lose the launch market to China and Europe. Now they’re ones worrying about their share in the face of SpaceX‘s relentless improvements – and its US competitors.
  
  Unfortunately the wonderful spoils system built by LBJ in the 1960’s to protect the Apollo program from being defunded – whereby NASA’s money is spread around key Congressional districts and Senate states – continues to live on and has produced the Space Launch System, the SLS (otherwise known as the Senate Launch System). The SLS is a gigantic rocket, larger than the Saturn V that sent Apollo to the moon, and it is years behind schedule, billions over budget, and actually has no missions scheduled for it. Test launches might happen in 2019, but there’s no money for more than a couple of flights per year beyond that – and no idea what they would do anyway. Lunar missions might be one answer, but if I was Trump I’d be damned wary of putting that much control into NASA’s hands ever again.
  
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  December 12, 2017 11:42am
- tom hunter
  
  Ah – and here’s one article I was looking for, How to Get Back to the Moon in 4 Years–This Time to Stay:
  
  Turn to two companies in particular—Elon Musk’s SpaceX and Robert Bigelow’s Bigelow Aerospace. Why? Because the approach that NASA’s acting administrator Robert Lightfoot is pushing won’t allow a Moon landing.
  
  Lightfoot’s problem lies in the two pieces of NASA equipment he wants to work with: a rocket that’s too expensive to fly and is years from completion—the Space Launch System; and a capsule that’s far from ready to carry humans—the Orion. Neither the SLS nor the Orion are able to land on the Moon. Let me repeat that. Once these pieces of super-expensive equipment reach the moon’s vicinity, they cannot land.
  
  Who is able to land on the lunar surface? Elon Musk and Robert Bigelow. Musk’s rockets—the Falcon and the soon-to-be-launched Falcon Heavy—are built to take off and land. So far their landing capabilities have been used to ease them down on earth. But the same technology, with a few tweaks, gives them the ability to land payloads on the surface of the Moon. Including humans. What’s more, SpaceX’s upcoming seven-passenger Dragon 2 capsule has already demonstrated its ability to gentle itself down to earth’s surface. In other words, with a few modifications and equipment additions, Falcon rockets and Dragon capsules could be made Moon-ready.
  
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  December 12, 2017 11:47am
  - SGA
    
    tom, why do we want to land on the moon again? Not being picky, genuinely curious as to what warrants all the expense. It’s not as though it hasn’t been done before (yeah, yeah, I’ve heard it before those conspiracy theorists among us).
    
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    December 12, 2017 1:12pm
    - rangitoto
      
      A staging base for a Mars mission or just a test site for Mars mission tech.
      
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      December 12, 2017 1:16pm
      - SGA
        
        Not sure either of those make a lot of sense to me. It would be hellishly expensive with current technology to maintain any sort of permanent lunar base let alone a facility suitable as a “staging base” or “test site”.
        
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        December 12, 2017 1:23pm
    - tom hunter
      
      For at least three reasons.
      
      First, to stay this time and actually explore the place. We’re talking about an area roughly the size of Africa and we’ve explored a tiny fraction of it in the six Apollo landings. If you don’t explore then you don’t discover things, which is what has pushed humanity forward. I don’t agree with those folk who think we can just sit on earth and navel gaze. Aside from the practical aspects of species-survival driving us to settle more than one planet, I think exploration is crafted into our genetics; trying to not do it would be “not human”.
      
      Second, because it enables humanity to test out a lot of things needed for further exploration and exploitation of the solar system – like going to Mars. There’s been quite a push in recent years (Elon Musk is one example) to just go to Mars direct; it’s a more interesting place and in theory, habitable in a way the moon is not. But the moon is just 2-3 days away if something goes wrong, and it enables a lot of stuff like manufacturing, fuel production and other resource extraction to be done. Yes, it’s going from one gravity well to another, shallower one – but free-floating with asteroids has its drawbacks too.
      
      Third: it’s been almost 50 years since the Apollo missions and society has grown much richer in that time. The proportion of wealth needed now is vastly smaller than in the 1960’s (it once reached 7 cents per American per year for a couple of years), and can actually be done more cheaply now anyway (see SpaceX). Depending on how it’s done, there is no reason why it would even cost as much as the damned ISS. We’ve done a lot of robotic stuff and will do more, but it’s time for humans to return. Not as a “flags-and-footprints” set of missions: that would be a failure. But robotic missions are limited, not by the technology but by the fact that each mission has to be designed around no more than one or two objectives. Humans are adaptable and flexible in ways robots are not – and ultimately this is a human drive and goal.
      
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      December 12, 2017 1:31pm
      - SGA
        
        tom hunter
        
        I don’t agree with those folk who think we can just sit on earth and navel gaze.
        
        False dichotomy. It isn’t necessarily go to the moon or nothing. First, and as you later acknowledge, if solar system exploration is the goal, you could go direct. Second, you could look at further developing space station technology (which would be far less expensive to service, better mimic conditions for deep space travel, and might have advantages as a staging site).
        
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        December 12, 2017 1:38pm
    - tom hunter
      
      Screw it! This guy says it much better than me:
      Carl Sagan: Wanderers, a short film by Erik Wernquist.
      
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      December 12, 2017 1:42pm
      - SGA
        
        Very pretty, but I’m still left wondering whether more moon exploration is necessarily the next best step.
        
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        December 12, 2017 1:55pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Sure. It’s debatable. I think Mars is way more interesting to explore and to try and live on. But to me the idea of a direct, single-throw-of-the-dice voyage to Mars is risky. For all that the ISS gives us better knowledge of deep space travel, the whole aspect of landing and carving out a base with recycling plus some resource extraction plus power supply, is something that would be much safer to extensively test on the moon where a systems failure means a short trip back to earth. Same applies to testing various engines.
        
        Even with the ISS we’re not going to be able to learn such things and it’s never going to be a base from which other missions are launched anywhere. It’s really only useful in terms of learning about the impact of zero-gee on the human body, which we already knew three decades ago was bad enough that centrifuges would be needed for long-duration space flight.
        
        Frankly I regard the ISS as more of a waste of money than a Lunar base – but I’m still glad we did it. Setting up a series of Mars explorer missions – as in The Martian – might be a good compromise, but they’d be even more expensive than lunar missions. We’ve done exploration incrementally before – first exploring, then setting up a base – and it seems a good model to follow now.
        
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        December 12, 2017 2:12pm
      - Swifty
        
        Love Carl Sagan.
        
        Thanks Tom.
        
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        December 12, 2017 3:37pm
      - SGA
        
        Sure. It’s debatable.
        
        Sure, and that’s all we are doing (I’m just having fun) 🙂
        
        But to me the idea of a direct, single-throw-of-the-dice voyage to Mars is risky. … is something that would be much safer to extensively test on the moon where a systems failure means a short trip back to earth.
        
        It’s all risky, tom – and you can argue that a facility the very size that you’d need to test everything you want to test would entail a helluvalot of risk itself (moving it there, assembling it, maintaining it, supplying it).
        
        Same applies to testing various engines.
        
        On the moon? Sorry, not sure what you mean.
        
        Even with the ISS we’re not going to be able to learn such things and it’s never going to be a base from which other missions are launched anywhere.
        
        Launching all the components, fuel, supplies, and suchlike to the moon, assembling it there under lunar conditions and then launching from the moon seems cumbersome.
        It might be simpler just to launch directly from Earth, or launch a “lighter” version to a space station for final refueling and supply.
        
        learning about the impact of zero-gee on the human body, which we already knew three decades ago was bad enough that centrifuges would be needed for long-duration space flight.
        Frankly I regard the ISS as more of a waste of money than a Lunar base – but I’m still glad we did it.
        
        I would be very surprised if that was the extent what we had learnt of the physiological, technological, and practical needs of living in in space for a long time?
        
        We’ve done exploration incrementally before – first exploring, then setting up a base – and it seems a good model to follow now.
        
        Yes and no – the exploratory mission (e.g., Chris Colombus) would be as common a model.
        
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        December 12, 2017 3:44pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Best president since Kennedy.” ??
  
  The factual and reasoned basis for this incredible claim ?
  
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  December 12, 2017 1:30pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “The factual and reasoned basis for this incredible claim ?”
    
    Somebody other than stupidboy made it.
    There, fixed.
    
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    December 12, 2017 5:17pm
Surely Knott

Some new study called good country, has ranked NZ 15. (who cares) But anyways when I google it – It links to the Reddit page titled Socialism. And here are their blogging rules: Hahaha any non-socialist comments will be banned! That just sums it up. So Good Country and Simon Anholt you self righteous idiot getting rich of your virtue signalling -suck it. Not everyone thinks belonging to the post modernist global madness UN totalitarianism is that great. “/r/Socialism is a sub for socialists, and a certain level of knowledge about socialism is expected. If you are derailing discussions or promoting non-socialist positions, your comments may be removed, and you may receive a warning or a ban. If you are not a Socialist but are learning about it, be polite, or you will be banned for trolling.”
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December 12, 2017 11:38am
chiz

Major Tom: The NASA investigation:

[…]
Ground Control: Ground Control to Major Tom. Take your protein pills and put your helmet on.

The panel found the command to swallow nutritional supplements just moments before liftoff to be reckless and foolhardy.

In addition, the panel determined that T minus ten seconds was far too late in the launch sequence for Major Tom to “put [his] helmet on.” Consequently, his CO2 purge valve went unchecked, and he did not have time to rub his visor with anti-fog compound.

Ground Control: Commencing countdown, engines on.

The panel found it bizarre to be “commencing countdown” near what is obviously the end of the countdown. In fact, a background voice can be heard saying “. . . six . . .” as the countdown is “commencing.”

[…]
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December 12, 2017 12:08pm
realityczech

Why do fat women insist on making themselves more hideous and repugnant by covering themselves with tattoos and dying their hair purple/pink?

Do they really believe this will make them more noticeable and attractive ?

Fatness is a mental illness and fat shaming saves lives.
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December 12, 2017 12:28pm
- Surely Knott
  
  Dear Reality Czech. Please post a picture of yourself so we have some context. Thx.
  
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  December 12, 2017 12:58pm
  - realityczech
    
    Surely Knott, it is not my fault you are hideous and dying of obesity. It is yours.
    
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    December 12, 2017 5:20pm
  - Brito
    
    He’s sent me this one sometime ago, but I believe the strict diet and the observance of non self-gratification has turned his life around.
    
    https://imgflip.com/i/1pmo5m
    
    …and he’s no longer evil…
    
    We’ll make a Yid out of him yet.
    
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    December 12, 2017 5:53pm
    - realityczech
      
      Brittle, are you a bit of a chubby lover ?
      
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      December 12, 2017 6:15pm
      - Brito
        
        Stopped eating pies, my body is a temple…etc.
        
        And, there is no such thing as the female orgasm. It’s all about us…remember that and everybody will be happy.
        
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        December 12, 2017 6:24pm
  - realityczech
    
    In your dreams Sknotty
    
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    December 12, 2017 7:25pm
- Tauhei Notts
  
  One of those obese tattooed ones had a bit of blue through her hair. I asked;
  Have you ever seen the movie “Blue is the warmest colour”?
  She thanked me for the compliment (?).
  
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  December 12, 2017 1:00pm
  - realityczech
    
    Tauhei Notts , fat women have to live in that delusional state. Fatties lie, even to themselves.
    
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    December 12, 2017 5:17pm
- Inandout
  
  It is the classic, ‘look at me, look at me’. If I am ugly at least some people will look at my fat tats. In cafes I will tell people who ask, ‘XXX did them, isn’t he good?’
  
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  December 12, 2017 1:07pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes I have always thought this.
  But if you say anything you get shouted down.
  Its not PC.
  
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  December 12, 2017 7:20pm
flipper

Anyone bothered to take a quick peek at DP’s Ghost Writer from a blog that shall remain nameless. It seems that unless W English (who is a political naif according to that writer) does things the way he and his friend Winnie Pension like, it is wrong.
I wonder how all those bait clicks are going? When the “read more” hint is followed does that add another click ? Ergo re the figures quoted accurate?
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December 12, 2017 12:38pm
JasonJohns

Been up in the Hakarimatas on some major manoeuvres getting the armed forces of the provisional govt of NZ into shape.

Hadda lotta fun.

Some of these boys don’t know quite know where their weapons end and their bodies begin…
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December 12, 2017 12:57pm
JasonJohns

Reflecting on the end of the year and the major advances I ave made in 2017.

Advisor to English. Trump.

Provisional PM of the Provisional govt of NZ (Ngaruawahia manifestation) and Field Marshall for Life of its Combined Armed Forces.

Some big changes from the start of the year, when I was basically hanging out for a root.

The key to my success? I would say: imagination.

Live your dreams. That’s what it’s all about…
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December 12, 2017 1:00pm
- JasonJohns
  
  Some downtickers here. What losers. Jealousy huh?
  
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  December 12, 2017 1:07pm
Inandout

Tane Pora’s done and dusted, money changed hands, now Scott Watson is in the legal area. Same lawyer, same ferret.
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December 12, 2017 1:05pm
Surely Knott

Quelle Surprise. Provisional opinion reported that the Ombudsman is not going to require the release of the governments secret coallition document. Has anyone in NZ ever made a complaint to the Ombudsman or Auditor General about maladministration, or dodgy local government process or financials, and actually had it upheld by any of our supposed watchdogs.
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December 12, 2017 1:25pm
- rangitoto
  
  The open and transparent CoL being secretive. Surely not!
  
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  December 12, 2017 1:37pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, no surprise at all.
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/346012/ombudsman-backs-govt-over-coalition-document
  
  Reminds me of the previous Chief Ombudsperson’s decision not to release the Australian Bureau of Meteorology review of NIWA’s Temperature records
  https://www.lawsociety.org.nz/news-and-communications/latest-news/news/ombudsman-upholds-niwa-refusal-to-release-information
  Temperature records, for goodness sake – not State secrets!
  
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  December 12, 2017 3:17pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  You don’t get selected for the job by being seen as a champion of transparency. It’s all about protecting the govt.
  
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  December 12, 2017 5:33pm
artemisia

Quite a bit of cleavage on display by the Prime Minister in the House today.
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December 12, 2017 2:05pm
- sam green
  
  You actually said that?
  
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  December 12, 2017 3:29pm
  - starboard
    
    Why? Were you aroused green sam?
    
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    December 12, 2017 3:56pm
- starboard
  
  I concur with the ample showing of cleavage by the Prime Minister. Tis ashame said cleavage is attached only to a couple of poached eggs…from a quail.
  
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  December 12, 2017 3:54pm
  - Brito
    
    But in the new world order all quail breasts are equal.
    
    Small, unassuming, somewhat speckled, anything other than heaving, disappointing, and generally like me when I think about them…flaccid.
    
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    December 12, 2017 5:59pm
- realityczech
  
  Gotta link ?
  
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  December 12, 2017 5:41pm
  - starboard
    
    Replay at 1800hrs on channel 86
    
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    December 12, 2017 5:55pm
Rachael Membery

Not currently a customer of the Lines Company, but have properties that are. I just got a bill for vacant time of 4 days. 26$. Ridiculous I said for it to be so high.
I was informed that the company rounds anything up to the quarter, so my four days got charged as sevenish and they charged the tenants for some of that also.

No wonder they have a bad reputation, still gets put down to infrastructure apparently.

What a rort.
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December 12, 2017 2:30pm
Surely Knott

NZ Herald reports that celebrations erupt after much maligned National Standards are dropped. But the stuff public polls shows a huge majority 73% of the public think dropping national standards is a bad idea!
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December 12, 2017 2:40pm
- Paulus
  
  Why should parents have any say on National Standards ? it is the Teacher’s Unions who politically control our children’s education.
  It is nor their fault that New Zealand is falling quite hard by international education standards.
  Can’t be rotten teachers and there are more of them than many good ones now.
  Their standards are poor as teachers.
  Still a cushy number though despite their moaning. Most finished teaching (sic) a couple of weeks ago and will not see a school for a couple of months – on full pay.
  
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  December 12, 2017 3:07pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Totally agree, they are whining, lazy beggars (showing restraint there). Teach senior classes and you are off from early november – go back early Feb, then have all the other holidays throughout the year, so a total of about 4 months off every year on full pay. Don’t any teachers dare tell me they work in the holidays. I worked in a high school for many years. The most you ever saw of a teacher was for about a week before the year started. They bleat about being poor but quite a few owned holiday homes and heaps traveled overseas in the breaks. They mainly drive bombs but that’s what lefties do….can’t spoil the image! They then have the utter temerity to close the school down for Teacher Only Days. How and why they have been allowed to get away with that beggars belief.
    
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    December 12, 2017 6:43pm
  - Digmen1
    
    If I was National’s new minister of education.
    On day 1.
    I would cancel all teachers contracts.
    And tell them they need to re-apply with no union.
    I would also say that they will lo longer have ANY say in the cirricuulum.
    And any and all social engineering will be banned.
    
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    December 12, 2017 7:24pm
- mandk
  
  80% of 21.6 k voters at 3.38.
  
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  December 12, 2017 3:38pm
softail 1450

anybody that thinks kelvin Davis was a bit slow should see willie Jackson in the house today ,honestly was he drunk or stoned?
he finished his bullshit, whiny ,incoherent reply by telling quack quack mallard to get 2020 tattooed on his forehead ,I kid you not.
what a genuine out of his depth fucking fool …..
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December 12, 2017 2:52pm
- Sideoiler
  
  anybody that thinks kelvin Davis was a bit slow should see willie Jackson in the house today ,honestly was he drunk or stoned?
  he finished his bullshit, whiny ,incoherent reply by telling quack quack mallard to get 2020 tattooed on his forehead ,I kid you not.
  what a genuine out of his depth fucking fool …..
  
  This is what you get when you lower the standard to admit those that would never been admited otherwise.
  Why, next thing you know we will have bitches suckling their litter in the house.
  
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  December 12, 2017 3:12pm
softail 1450

OMG what a total fuck up the Labour Party have going on in the house at this very moment ,turn on your tv it’s unprecedented I’m sure ,,,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,,,,,,,,the moron Nash has fucked up big time.
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December 12, 2017 2:58pm
- Poppa
  
  I wish I could have seen that, they are a complete trainwreck.
  
  I have never seen such incompetence in any Government in my many years on this earth
  
  How much longer can they pretend to be a legitimate Government?
  
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  December 12, 2017 3:25pm
  - softail 1450
    
    poppa ,I think it’s repeated at 6pm tonite free to air,you should have seen the little twat hipkins running around making excuses ,what a total fuck up this bunch of shite are …
    
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    December 12, 2017 3:30pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Easy Poppa. It is On Demand from the NZ Parliamentary site 24/7 and free fun.
    
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    December 12, 2017 6:57pm
- Piniwi
  
  Yes softail1450. Who’d have expected there would be somebody dumber than Davis in the COL? Jackson above and beyond him in the dumb stakes and he seems lost on employment issues. The Speaker did nothing to improve the situation today and seems to be competing with old WP as the joker in the pack.
  Then poor young Nash made a hash of introducing the National Bill on tax leaving Mallard to explain the process. At this rate TV coverage of the house could be better than the Media party channels and Netflix too. Free to air but they are the most costly show for tax payers.
  
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  December 12, 2017 6:55pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes I saw Jackson Willie on parliament tv the other day. He was speaking as if he was a stand up comic trying to crack some weak jokes.
    
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    December 12, 2017 7:26pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Agree. Jackson is a joke.
      
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      December 12, 2017 9:26pm
Swifty

Isn’t it a bit ironic that those lining up for free food parcels are so fat?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11958065
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December 12, 2017 3:24pm
- cmm
  
  This is always an issue when mixing cultures.
  
  In Western cultures, alms for the poor is generally well understood to mean that generous folk are giving stuff for the truly needy. Sure, take it if you really need it, but don’t take it if you don’t really need it and some degree of personal restraint is expected.
  
  In other cultures any free stuff is just there for the taking.
  
  Come Christmas day they’ll be back for the free Christmas dinner, because it’s a good feed and you don’t even have to do the cooking and washing up.
  It’s like having servants that you don’t even have to pay!
  
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  December 12, 2017 5:21pm
softail 1450

the people of NZ had better wake up and realise that “closing the gaps”is back on the agenda big time ,anybody not Maori or Pacifica need not apply.
haven’t we been down this very same road before ?FFS.
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December 12, 2017 3:27pm
Morrissey

John Campbell, normally so affable, tries hard to hide his contempt for this slimeball…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWxdIMdkrKM
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December 12, 2017 3:35pm
- RalphT
  
  Surely the other way around: John Key, normally so affable, tries hard to hide his contempt for this slimeball…?
  
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  December 12, 2017 3:41pm
- Swifty
  
  He’s a disgrace to Wellington College! 🙂
  
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  December 12, 2017 4:16pm
  - RalphT
    
    He wouldn’t be the first…
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:21pm
Keeping Stock

What a complete and utter clustershambles in the House this afternoon (a cross between an omnishambles and a clusterf*ck and worse by far than either). Stuart Nash stood up to introduce a Bill for First Reading, then sat down. Mallard put the motion, that the Bill be read a first time, then wouldn’t allow Nash to give his first reading speech because by sitting down, he had forfeited the call.

Unsurprisingly, the National Party thinks it’s a huge joke, and it is. But it’s also a worry that Labour ministers have such a poor grasp of basic parliamentary procedure and etiquette. They are shaping up to be the most shambolic government I can recall in the 50-odd years I have had an active interest in New Zealand politics.
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December 12, 2017 3:52pm
- Swifty
  
  What a joke for us, but what a tragedy for the country these people are.
  
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  December 12, 2017 4:01pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Funny Swifty as the wheels on the bus have all gone flat, all gone flat, all gone flat.
    
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    December 12, 2017 7:19pm
- cmm
  
  And to the rest of us, the parliamentary procedures look pathetic.
  
  The fuckers are there, burning through $500k an hour to work for us, not to sledge eachother or catch eachother out with archane rules.
  
  It is not in the public’s interests to have stopped Nash from reading his Bill.
  
  Mallard should be running the house for the best interests of the people that pay the bills.
  
  In any other situation people would have worked around this little confusion to do their jobs – part of which is the introduction of Bills.
  
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  December 12, 2017 5:29pm
- double d
  
  i had a good laugh at Paul Goldsmith asking Willie Jackson what the minimum wage was. Blank look on wee Willie Winkies face as he tried to bluster his way through his ignorance of the number. isnt he the Employment Minister.
  
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  December 12, 2017 6:27pm
- Piniwi
  
  Primo KS. Mallard has turned into a circus like act and seems always in a rush to move on. Nash showed his lack of ability as he tried to get it started and lacks the ability to add a bit of preamble as the other members left the chamber. It was surely welcomed by Steven Joyce as he quickly rose to speak to the motion of the first piece of real business to be raised in the House so far. A National bill as he made point of mentioning in his usual manner.
  Many take advantage of the service of On Demand coverage from the NZ Parliamnent web page but it is live streamed by TV1 which surely exposes the shambolic performance to the masses. Looking forward to Thursday being the best yet to come and the last for this year. Popcorn will be fresh and plentyfull and might invite the family just like the old days when test matches were in the small hours. Even Trotter is seeing the silly side of their performance.
  
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  December 12, 2017 7:18pm
Morrissey

Either that, or Mallard is the worst referee ever, other than Craig Joubert or Andre “The Warbler” Watson.
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December 12, 2017 3:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’m off to see if I can spy the rocket launch from the top of Kaiti Hill.
Launch- expected at 4:50pm.
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December 12, 2017 4:18pm
- tom hunter
  
  Checked in via YouTube livestream with 2 minutes to go and…. “Phut”.
  
  Engine shutdown and abort at +2 seconds. Oh well, that’s aerospace for you!!!
  
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  December 12, 2017 5:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, that’s the day’s exercise…
  
  Didn’t have to go to the top of the hill anyway… found a choice viewing spot in the shade a few minutes from home.
  
  The geeks on the hill drove by and told us when the launch was aborted.
  
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  December 12, 2017 5:22pm
softail 1450

maggy ,maybe you could get them to redirect the rocket right up the COL arsehole ,especially winstons .
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December 12, 2017 4:25pm
- stigie
  
  I hope Dad is satisfied with the COL..?
  Could be a good time to tell us here why he thinks Mr 7% is so great for him and the people of NZ !~
  
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  December 12, 2017 4:41pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    stigie, dad will be lovin’ it. His career in plus size wimmin’s shoe sales is heading down the proverbial, plus the loss of business in his part-time work because of daylight saving means that having top-up from the bene looming on the horizon is just what the doctor ordered.
    
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    December 12, 2017 6:47pm
Morrissey

La Première Dame du Football

http://www.redsrugby.com.au/News/NewsArticles/tabid/581/ArticleID/18098/Rugby-Australia-appoints-Raelene-Castle-as-Chief-Executive-Officer.aspx
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December 12, 2017 5:10pm
cmm

Aussie couple beat their slave….
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11958157

Didn’t Bruce and Sheila know that Colonial Oppression is finished?

Naah ’twas that fair dinkum Aussie couple Kandasamy and Kumuthini Kannan.
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December 12, 2017 5:16pm
- Morrissey
  
  Some Australians are some of the worst people in the world….
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-11/killings-of-unarmed-afghans-by-australian-special-forces/8466642
  
  https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/3120362
  
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  December 12, 2017 5:41pm
  - Swifty
    
    What a prick you are, you who have done nothing.
    
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    December 12, 2017 6:51pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Well I’ve certainly never done anything like those criminals have. And neither have you, I’m sure.
      
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      December 12, 2017 9:24pm
  - starboard
    
    You’re such a cock smoker morrisey breen.
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:46pm
realityczech

The earth is flat. The round earth is a hoax to divert you from God and the reality of the risen Christ.

Repent:

http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/06/the-biblical-flat-earth-teaching-from.html
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December 12, 2017 5:24pm
- rangitoto
  
  It looks bumpy where I’m sitting.
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:35pm
realityczech

6 REASONS WHY FAT WOMEN ARE DEFECTIVE
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December 12, 2017 5:29pm
- nasska
  
  If you weigh 100 kilos on earth you would weigh 38 kilos on Mars. Therefore it’s not correct to say that fat chicks are overweight.
  
  They’re just on the wrong planet.
  
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  December 12, 2017 6:54pm
  - Brito
    
    Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:15pm
slightlyrighty

https://wellington.govt.nz/your-council/elections/southern-ward-by-election-2017/candidate-profiles/don-newt-McDonald

A candidate in the upcoming wellington council by-election…..

What the Actual Fuck?
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December 12, 2017 7:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don McDonald always stands in the local elections for the Southern Ward.
  
  He has an interesting history of taking many complaints to the BSA.
  
  He always has mathematical facts correct.
  http://brianedwardsmedia.co.nz/2012/05/beneficiary-takes-broadcasting-standards-authority-to-the-high-court-read-the-courts-decision/
  
  Here’s his complaint about fireworks and phallic symbols
  https://bsa.govt.nz/decisions/5915-mcdonald-and-television-new-zealand-ltd-2012-065
  
  Here’s his complaint about “up the chutney”
  https://bsa.govt.nz/decisions/show/3325
  
  There was once a TV programme about him.
  
  He was a fairly constant presence in & around Newtown Library a few years back.
  
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  December 12, 2017 7:45pm
  - realityczech
    
    Wiggles, you are a credit to women.
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:05pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m sure I am..
      
      but as the fates would have it..
      Don McDonald shares the same name as my deceased brother (Donald Macdonald)…so I’ve always pricked up my ears when I’ve heard that name.
      
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      December 12, 2017 8:52pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Without weird complainants, a whole govt industry could be closed down. ?
    
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    December 12, 2017 8:47pm
Digmen1

Just watch tv, the whole world is full of fat people walking the streets.
Except in starving Africa and Bangladesh.

It really is time we started shaming them into eating less and moving more.
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December 12, 2017 7:30pm
Nostradamus

Hi everyone.

A quick update on Reid:

After leaving the matter for a couple of weeks, I’ve just tried to call his number again. (For those not in the know, I invited feedback from Kiwiblog readers a few weeks ago as to whether I should or shouldn’t do this, and the consensus seemed to be that I should and find out if he’s ok.)

His number is now disconnected. When I tried previously, his number was connected but rang out.

Reid has been a long-term member of the Kiwiblog community, going back to at least 2005 when I first joined, and while he had his detractors, I feel sad that he’s no longer commenting here. I’d feel just as sad if certain other people (who I won’t name!) were to stop commenting.

I hope this doesn’t mean something bad has happened to Reid. Johnboy has met him in real life, as I understand it, and may know more. But, from my perspective, I can’t take the matter any further.
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December 12, 2017 7:31pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Thanks for the update and for reaching out to him Nosty.
  
  Hopefully Reid’s just moved onto bigger and better things❗
  
  If you’re reading Reid – drop us a note and let us know everythings all right.
  
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  December 12, 2017 7:54pm
- Jack5
  
  Maybe Reid’s fine and sheeple-shape but has ditched his line phone for cell phone alone.
  
  Many people are doing that. It’s then easy to lose contact. Are there any directories for cellphone numbers?
  
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  December 12, 2017 8:09pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Oh – a Reid hater – thanks for the downtick and Merry Christmas to you too! 🙂
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:19pm
  - starboard
    
    It’ll be that loser morrisey.
    Dirty filthy shirtlifter.
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:23pm
rightoverlabour

I was listening to Leighton this afternoon when he mentioned that Winston had quipped that he could not honour his election promises as too many people had voted for National. What about the people that voted for Labour? Or you too busy staring into one another’s eyes dreamily thinking of the paradise you have created for your selves? Anyone got a link to this story? Banana Republic dictators rant that the people voted wrong. Actually, 93% of the country rejected you, you slimy, dishonest, two-faced charlatan. Fuckers.
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December 12, 2017 8:38pm
starboard

Yup..we miss you Reid. I enjoyed reading your contributions.
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December 12, 2017 8:40pm
Nostradamus

This is really interesting and cool:

Would you make it in Australia’s secret spy agency? Take their quiz to find out

Take the Australian Secret Intelligence Service’s online recruitment test to see if you’re cut out for the work — and who knows? If you prove yourself in the challenges, you may be recommended for a spot with the agency.

The test is here.
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December 12, 2017 8:49pm
nasska

When four of Santa’s elves got sick, and the trainee elves did not produce the toys as fast as the regular ones, Santa was beginning to feel the pressure of being behind schedule. Then Mrs. Claus told Santa that her Mum was coming to visit. This stressed Santa even more. When he went to harness the reindeer, he found that three of them were about to give birth and two had jumped the fence and were out, heaven knows where. More stress. Then when he began to load the sleigh one of the boards cracked and the toy bag fell to the ground and scattered the toys. So, frustrated, Santa went into the house for a cup of apple cider and a shot of rum. When he went to the cupboard, he discovered that the elves had hidden the liquor and there was nothing to drink. In his frustration, he accidentally dropped the cider pot, and it broke into hundreds of little pieces all over the kitchen floor. He went to get the broom and found that mice had eaten the straw end of the broom. Just then the doorbell rang, and irritable Santa trudged to the door. He opened the Door, and there was a little angel with a great big Christmas tree. The angel said, very cheerfully, “Merry Christmas, Santa. Isn’t it a lovely day? I have a beautiful tree for you. Where would you like me to stick it?”

And so began the tradition of the little angel on top of the Christmas tree
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December 12, 2017 9:11pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  That actually made me laugh out loud – great stuff! The only thing is, you didn’t say whether the angel was male, female or “other”!
  
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  December 12, 2017 9:21pm
Manolo

Lethal injection or firing squad for the savage?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/12/12/new-york-subway-blast-suspect-facing-terror-charges/943553001/
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