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softail 1450

ha ha ha ,jack lame has passed his Maori language degree ,he will have Hillary Barry calling herself a “hoe” in no time,,,”,Hillary a hoe “
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December 11, 2017 8:04am
- VicParking
  
  Jack is now an offical “Hoe’s” pimp
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:06am
  - starboard
    
    Maybe lame and espiner should hook up so they can sit around all day talking stone age with each other. Weirdos.
    Im sure lame is kitted out with a vagina.
    
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    December 11, 2017 8:51am
    - ztev
      
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      You have one too many of the other orifice
      
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      December 11, 2017 9:51am
      - starboard
        
        I can confirm that your dirty sister has as well ztrev
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        December 11, 2017 10:07am
    - Fletch
      
      Maybe lame and espiner should hook up so they can sit around all day talking stone age with each other.
      
      Great. Now he is among the 3% of the country that speak Maori.
      
      http://archive.stats.govt.nz/Census/2013-census/profile-and-summary-reports/2013-census-infographic-nzvillage.aspx
      
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      December 11, 2017 11:59am
KevOB

So begins the week of the $1,000 tax increase.
Grant’s, Poohbah’s, dashing, ignorant enthusiasm will be his downfall.
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December 11, 2017 8:06am
- Lance
  
  Capitalist running dogs favourite lie.
  Lie’s I tell you, lies
  
  Under the new economics so wisely managed by Labour, being deigned a decrease just never existed as a possibility in the first place.
  And to not accept the CoL logic makes you a filthy right wing Nazi scumbag and a racist.
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:13am
  - alloytoo
    
    Minor correction, the Nazi’s were left wing socialists who introduced many of the same policies that Roosevelt’s democrats did in response to the great depression, only (in typical German fashion) more efficiently.
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:39am
    - Harkman
      
      This is correct, the Nazis were Keynesians (public works), heck Hitler even used the words “true socialism.” But the reichsautobahn never employed more that a couple hundred people at any one time. So the Nazis rearmed the military to achieve full employment instead.
      
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      December 11, 2017 9:46am
    - Lance
      
      You are correct.
      It was more about mocking the actual words used by the half witted when you don’t agree with them
      
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      December 11, 2017 10:15am
slightlyrighty

I’ve been looking at the election results in great detail, especially in light of the claims by Labour and the Greens that NZ Voted for change.

I still find it odd when you compare the 2014 and 2017 election results and you discover that NZ First lost 22,000 votes between elections and The Greens lost 95,000 votes over the same period.

Which makes their efforts to deny the National Party the opportunity to form the Government, when they increased their total vote by 20,000.

Some will say that I don’t understand how MMP works. I know how MMP works, but do Winston and James Shaw know how democracy works? How do you lose so much support and become part of a government?
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December 11, 2017 8:07am
- Simon
  
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  With hindsight it was a change election
  
  18 years of Helen Key was too much. Sure the bigger mongs have taken over from the smaller mongs but open door immigration had to end.
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:14am
- twofish
  
  How do you lose so much support and become part of a government?
  
  Or, in Winston’s case, how do you become a Government and loose 30% support?
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:55am
- KiWombat
  
  Why have an election at all? One party finished 20% ahead of the second placed party, but the party who came third made the call !
  Maybe it is a vote for change – Maori electorates no longer have an independent voice, this is where the change should be !!
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:03am
  - Dave Mann
    
    We asked for it, actually. Before the election, the asshole Peters made almost no positive noises about any party and he was assiduous in saying in very clear language that his support would be decided after the election.
    
    He and his band of masturbators, nobodies and poseurs should never have got any votes at all, but that’s what we get for running our country with this ridiculous MMP system.
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:48am
- Notsofast
  
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  The national party voting base is immigrants of 3 years and property owners. A few New Zealanders fall outside these categories and Bill English didn’t notice this.
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:14am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Even more of a load of crap than we have come to expect from Notsofast.
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:32am
    - G152
      
      Maybe his name is a hard earned epitaph for the slowest in class ?
      
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      December 11, 2017 9:43am
    - Notsofast
      
      Objective evidence Captain. Look at the office TV watching results. Young females screamed in ecstacy and old white farts stormed out.
      
      What is intensely puzzling is how anyone ever believed Winstone was not always plotting to avenge crooked John Key for his bad manners in O8. Loser Bill was right behind crooked John at that time.
      
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      December 11, 2017 10:33am
  - KiWombat
    
    What ? A million immigrants in three years ? No wonder we’re running short of housing
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:36am
  - Happychappy
    
    A bit like you and your campaign to free convicted double murders and Bill would have more support from the average worker than you will ever achieve tosser.
    
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    December 11, 2017 10:52am
    - Notsofast
      
      Some campaigns work. Not loser Bill’s though. Be very surprised in February Happychappy, and
      “tosser” is hardly raising the tone of the message board.
      I always try to debate with facts and figures. I can do nothing more.
      
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      December 11, 2017 11:11am
      - Happychappy
        
        You said a month ago wait till next week we are still waiting and there will be another Election before we get a answer. So listening to you is about the same as getting advise from the bright penny and the red Hugh.
        
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        December 11, 2017 11:54am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        You could spell Winston correctly. That would be more.
        
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        December 11, 2017 2:13pm
- ztev
  
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  And how many votes did labour increase by ?
  Yes labour votes increased by 352k compared to nationals measly 22k
  Thats what you call a vote for change
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:57am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, from a low base, taking votes from “a roll over & play poodle ally (red melons”, picking up the Conservative Party vote & some soft swing votes from National.
    And to prove the point of how low Liebore were, they ended up at only 37% with all those extra votes they gathered.
    Geez, you are sounding like the someone who measured himself after playing with himself & had to boast about. Guess what?, it’ll drop off.
    
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    December 11, 2017 11:31am
    - ztev
      
      Its not compared to a low base .
      Im not using %. Those are actual numbers.
      
      350,000 extra votes is staggering.
      
      As a % though, national went backwards
      
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      December 11, 2017 1:54pm
      - labrator
        
        Labour
        2014: 604,534 | 25.13%
        2017: 956,184 | 36.9%
        
        National
        2014: 1,131,501 | 47.04
        2017: 1,152,075 | 44.4
        
        Turnout:
        2014: 2,446,279*
        2017: 2,630,173*
        
        So an extra roughly 200k people turned out to vote. So yep, National’s percentage dropped slightly but as a 4th term election the increase in real votes is without precedent.
        
        350,000 extra votes is staggering.
        
        It’s only staggering if you’re referring to the level of incompetence of Labour in 2014 (and nothing changed in 2017 except the Leader (again)).
        
        Take out the 100k the Green’s lost and you get a 250k gain, which isn’t staggering at all for a 4th shot at the title (which they still lost!).
        
        If anything is actually staggering it’s where did the conservative vote go? 95k votes and they didn’t go to NZFirst (who lost 20k votes) and it didn’t go to National…
        2014 results
        2017 results
        
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        December 11, 2017 2:07pm
  - flipper
    
    Scraping the barrel nadir as usual dickhead ??? Yes, the Tooth fairy increased your vote share mainly by taking votes from the Redmelons (welded labour in the missionary position) and Peters. But as many have noted before, your surge was/is illusory as demonstrated by the CBON poll. I do wish you would stop trying to spin
    
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    December 11, 2017 5:32pm
Left Right and Centre

Comedian Jimmy Carr with perfect panel guest to rip apart

Richard Ayoade getting worked up (unusual for him)

Want to hear Frank from MASH drop the F bomb ? 23 seconds in.
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December 11, 2017 8:10am
VicParking

Dollar is crashing
Crude oil price is rising
Minimum wage is rising
Delivery costs are rising
$2.20 per litre in no time, maybe as a xmas present.
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December 11, 2017 8:11am
- Inandout
  
  Lab apologists will blame child poverty for these rises.
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:14am
  - GazzaW
    
    No……it’s all John Key’s fault.
    
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    December 11, 2017 8:20am
    - RalphT
      
      Yes, especially as child poverty has been eliminated, hence it no longer featuring in the MSM.
      
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      December 11, 2017 8:29am
      - oldgolfer
        
        RNZ did ferret out the man who has been living in a motel for a long time at the taxpayers’ expense, but you would expect nothing less from such a straight-down-the-middle news organisation.
        
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        December 11, 2017 9:18am
      - ztev
        
        Dont you think HNZ making him homeless was a bad idea, as it ended up WINZ paying to stay in motel ( I hope they got the long term rates motes do offer, rather than the daily rate)
        
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        December 11, 2017 10:00am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Along with all perceived problems in NZ, such that we can look outwardly not inwardly, so quickly.
        
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        December 11, 2017 2:25pm
  - VicParking
    
    I heard it was the house prices that pushed up the petrol price along not enough trees being planted.
    
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    December 11, 2017 8:21am
- KiWombat
  
  Last time petrol reached $2.20 was nine years ago – Clark blamed a war – wonder what they will blame this time !!
  But wait – there’s a regional fuel tax to come yet !
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:27am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Haha we are already over that in Wellington
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:09am
- ztev
  
  NZ dollar has been falling since end of 2014, when it was nearly US 90c
  
  NZ dollar was lower beginning 2016 than now.
  whos ‘fault’ was that ?
  
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  December 11, 2017 10:04am
Hugh Pavletich

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Westpac: Falling NZ immigration to improve housing affordability, raise wages – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/12/westpac-falling-nz-immigration-help-housing-affordability-raise-wages/

By Leith van Onselen

Throughout the previous New Zealand National Government’s reign, it continually pinned the blame for New Zealand’s woeful housing affordability on a lack of supply, completely ignoring the role played by the government’s own mass immigration program: … read more via hyperlink above …
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December 11, 2017 8:15am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  New Zealand looks to ban foreigners from buying houses … Financial Times
  
  https://www.ft.com/content/66c16b5e-d8b5-11e7-a039-c64b1c09b482
  
  Proposals to tackle homeless crisis could make nation a global test case … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:32am
- flipper
  
  I suspect that Hugh is a re-incarnation of a “criminal” sent to Rome’s Colles.
  We are the both the jury and the Judge giving him a deserved thumbs down. For an apparently intelligent person, he has a one track mind that totally undermines his view on any genuine issue he may wish to raise.
  Learn. Learn Hugh or please, go back to sleep!
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:57am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    Being down – ticked by those on the Opposition benches is an honour !
    
    Check out my archival website to understand why … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:25am
    - Harkman
      
      Listed average rents went up by $10 per week in Labour’s first full month (November). Those fools that voted for them will soon feel the squeeze.
      
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      December 11, 2017 9:50am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Finance Minister details ‘five point plan’ for urban growth; will look at alternatives for Auckland’s East-West link, but not interested in building ‘the most expensive road in the world’ | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/business/91315/finance-minister-details-five-point-plan-urban-growth-will-look-alternatives
        
        … extract …
        
        … He said the Government’s infrastructure planning was underpinned by its “Urban Growth Agenda”, which he described as a set of reforms designed to get the market more responsive to demand.
        
        “We need competitive urban land markets to bring down the very high cost of urban land that is at the heart of our problems.”
        
        This is the five point plan:
        
        1. Turning on the tap of infrastructure finance, for example, infrastructure bonds serviced by a targeted rate, building on the work done with Crown Infrastructure Partners;
        
        2. Designing a more pro-growth planning system that allows the city to make room for growth instead of choking it off;
        
        3. More robust spatial planning by central and local government;
        
        4. Investigating a GPS-based network or transport pricing system. This will allow us to fully internalise transport costs so that roads and motorways aren’t a disguised subsidy for sprawl; and
        
        5. Possible legislative reform to support this new approach. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        December 11, 2017 11:02am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Note the heavy comment volume on thread …
        
        The lack of bidding at Barfoot & Thompson’s latest auction shows buyers are becoming extremely cautious | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91305/lack-bidding-barfoot-thompsons-latest-auction-shows-buyers-are-becoming-extremely
        
        It was hard going at Barfoot & Thompson’s auction at the agency’s head office on Friday morning (8 December).
        
        Twenty five properties were on offer, with 21 of them located in Auckland’s western suburbs plus three from the North Shore and one in Grey Lynn.
        
        Most of those from west Auckland were located in suburbs such as Massey, Henderson, Te Atatu and Glen Eden with a couple from New Lynn and Avondale.
        
        Traditionally, these have been considered among the more affordable parts of Auckland to live, so you would think that properties in these ares would sell readily.
        
        But that was not to be. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        December 11, 2017 12:42pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        AUSTRALIAN (CORE LOGIC) AUCTION CLEARANCE UPDATE …
        
        Auction clearances in Sydney and Melbourne are about to hit fresh multi-year lows | Business Insider
        
        https://www.businessinsider.com.au/australia-housing-market-slowdown-clearance-rates-falling-2017-12
        
        The temperature is rising outside, but Australia’s housing market continues to cool.
        
        According to CoreLogic, Australia’s combined capital city preliminary clearance rate fell to 63.1% last week, fractionally below the 63.5% preliminary level reported in the previous week.
        
        It was also significantly lower than the 71.6% final clearance rate reported in the same week in 2016. … read more via hyperlink above
        
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        December 11, 2017 1:02pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        Hugh, do you really believe, Bobbi’s/Twitford’s 5 point plan will help anything? Because:
        1. It is contradictory;
        2. It is saying fix the RMA (which Labour voted against in the last parliament);
        3. Labour/Greens don’t actually have a clue what the problem is & because they don’t, they don’t have a clue what to fix.
        
        Sounds like child poverdee, a nonexistent series of nothings, but a lot of hot air!
        
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        December 11, 2017 1:14pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Hullkiwi … All the feedback I’m getting … constantly … suggests this government means what it says.
        
        Check out closely the Ardern / Twyford section http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
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        Remember too … this 18 November Interest Co NZ report …
        
        The latest RBNZ survey of house price expectations brings a sharp dive in those seeing gains in the future. In fact capital gains may have vanished; the risk is now to the downside | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90954/latest-rbnz-survey-house-price-expectations-brings-sharp-dive-those-seeing-gains-future
        
        Each quarter, the RBNZ conducts a survey of household expectations.
        
        (Well, actually they take data from the UMR Research “nation-wide telephone omnibus survey”.)
        
        The questions the Reserve Bank is interested in relate to consumer price inflation and also house price inflation. … read more via hyperlink above …
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        The 2018 14th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey will be released Monday 22 January.
        
        Historically … we have quite often had major government announcements at that time … for example when Smith replaced Heatley early 2013 … following the major October 2012 government announcement to focus on land supply, infrastructure financing, process and construction costs … again refer http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
        
        I am expecting major changes in 2018.
        
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        December 11, 2017 5:02pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Auction clearance rate in Sydney hits two-year low … Domain Australia
        
        https://www.domain.com.au/news/number-of-homes-sold-at-auction-in-sydney-hits-twoyear-low-20171210-h024yh/
        
        Sydney’s weekend auction clearance rate has hit a two-year low, with fewer than 60 per cent of homes selling on Saturday. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        December 11, 2017 5:16pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Remember this March report ? …
        
        New Zealand housing most unaffordable in the world – The Economist | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2017/03/new-zealand-housing-most-unaffordable-in-the-world-the-economist.html
        
        It’s official – New Zealand has the most unaffordable housing in the world, according to The Economist.
        
        Across five different measures, New Zealand has come out on top of three of the five measures for the most expensive global housing market.
        
        New Zealand has had the highest rise in house prices, costs the most against the average person’s income and now has the biggest difference between house prices and renting prices. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        December 11, 2017 5:59pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … and this in September …
        
        NZ tops IMF’s housing unaffordability list | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/business/money/83750475/nz-tops-imfs-housing-unaffordability-list
        
        New Zealand’s housing unaffordability has reached another international high, in relation to how much we earn.
        
        The International Monetary Fund’s quarterly global housing watch report shows that New Zealand outpaced 30 other of the world’s richest countries when house prices were compared with income during the first quarter of this year.
        
        New Zealand hit nearly 130 points, topping an index which uses the year 2010 as its middle point. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        December 11, 2017 8:59pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Kiwi business knows playtime immigration and housing Ponzi days are over …
        
        Wellington business confidence plunges, following national trend | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/99669681/wellington-business-confidence-plunges-following-national-trend
        
        Confidence among Wellington businesses has plunged, with a majority expecting the national economy to deteriorate in the coming year.
        
        The Wellington Chamber of Commerce’s quarterly business confidence survey found that a net 13 per cent of businesses surveyed expected New Zealand’s economy to go backward, the first time the reading has been negative since 2009.
        
        While a net 16 per cent of businesses were positive about Wellington’s economy, the survey is typically strongly positive, with the trend in latest survey becoming far more downbeat. Three months ago a net 55 per cent of businesses surveyed were positive about Wellington’s fortunes. Read more via hyperlink above …
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        … following mid – November report …
        
        Slump in business confidence poses ‘material risk’ to economy | Stuff.co.nz
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/99402320/business-sector-most-downbeat-since-early-2009-anz-survey
        
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        December 11, 2017 9:57pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … A Canadian perspective on housing bubbles …
        
        Garth Turner … Canada … The Greater Fool Blog
        
        http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
        
        … extract …
        
        … That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        December 11, 2017 10:43pm
    - softail 1450
      
      Hugh ,you pathetic obsessed cretin ,fuck off.
      
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      December 12, 2017 6:00am
VicParking

Red radio is falling over backwards to cover the latest political poll results with icing. The trouble is that it does not how much you cover shit with icing it still smells of shit. They are hanging on Labours internal polling which says they have an appoval rating of 64%.
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December 11, 2017 8:17am
- Poppa
  
  They must have polled themselves if that is the case
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:20am
  - KiWombat
    
    If they can only find 64% support amongst their own membership then it has to be a fail
    
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    December 11, 2017 8:33am
  - Liberty
    
    There is an old school boy story. You could go blind doing that.
    
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    December 11, 2017 8:41am
  - KevOB
    
    They believe their self delusion. Any disagreement with any of their beliefs creates an enemy. An activist mentality: my friends enemies are my enemies. That transfer to beliefs, sexual identity issues, greenism etc.
    
    Delusion feeds delusion–no possibility to govern.
    
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    December 11, 2017 8:54am
- waikatogirl
  
  Sorry Vic, downticked you. Was aiming for Hugh!
  
  I liked your analogy of icing covering everything. Sprinkles on top from that lot.
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:22am
  - VicParking
    
    No problem. I’m blamed it on Hugh so that evans it out.
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:50am
- mandk
  
  Labour uses the same internal polling organisation as Venezuela’s government.
  
  UMR is actually an abbreviation of Uplifting Maduro’s Ratings.
  
  Not a lot of people know that.
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:28am
- flipper
  
  YEP…. That internal polling that was SO ACCURATE prior to September 23.
  It amazes me that any respectable news organisation could give credence to any unpublished poll. But what else can be expected from James, Campbell and “Espinder” ????
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:03am
Brito

EAD, you’re a boy/girl/thing. Fuck off!
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December 11, 2017 8:17am
Paulus

Understand in the Parliament Building that shit is hitting the fan for the Greens.
Internal distress is obvious and hell hath no fury as some of their employees, from previous Parliament are scorned, and not getting the munificence they think they deserve.
They lost a number of seats so they only get a smaller number of staff.
Tough – but keep all this secret like the Greens Mafian Society in New Zealand.
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December 11, 2017 8:20am
- GazzaW
  
  I’ll bet their Utopian principles rapidly evaporated once they came to the realisation that there were twice as many policy advisors as there were work stations.
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  And obviously the old staff are not much chop as the Green MPs seem to favour bringing in external folk for advisor roles.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/345887/greens-letter-reveals-damage-to-staff-morale
  
  numpties!
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:35am
  - hullkiwi
    
    As I wrote earlier, Jimmy (no balls) has not been man enough to tell the Green wheelbarrow pushers, “just you support the cause, it doesn’t mean there is space for you as govt advisor”. Probably because they are all fanatics, short of any idea how to manage their own propensity to generate bs that will lose them more support.
    
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    December 11, 2017 11:51am
Sofia

New Zealand’s UNSC Resolution 2334 …again

Trump himself not only spoke out to condemn the resolution ahead of the vote – highly unusual for a president-elect – but his incoming national security adviser Flynn was also lobbying Moscow to act against then US foreign policy …

Flynn … alleges that a senior member of the Trump transition team “directed” him to make contact with Russian officials in December 2016.

And while the identity of that “senior transition official” has not been revealed there have been hints, not least the Wall Street Journal’s report last month that special counsel Robert Mueller has been investigating the attempt by Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner [via the Russians] to block the passage of the resolution 2334 – the same effort that Flynn, it now appears, lied to the FBI about.
– the Guardian, UK https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/dec/01/michael-flynn-israel-lobbying-russia-united-nations

Israel’s Prime Minister Netanyahu and President-Elect Trump both rejected the Islamic state Egypt’s draft resolution and it was withdrawn.

However, as has been mentioned before, New Zealand’s UNSC Resolution 2334 seems to be a verbatim copy of the Egyptian draft, which was prepared with UK input on the wording and Palestinian approval.

Copying each document to Pages (Mac) for a word count …
Egyptian draft resolution … 933 words
New Zealand resolution … 946 words
difference: 13 paragraph numbers – kiwiblog commenter

“I went to bed feeling deflated. It was nice to have a resolution … It would have been nicer if it had been our one.” – Ambassador Gerard van Bohemen, New Zealand’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations 

Is Winston aware of this, as background to further meetings with President Trump, and will Ardern have to make just a little more effort to show some disapproval?
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December 11, 2017 8:24am
- flipper
  
  All this crap about making contact with other Nations before the Obamination hung up his spurs. Even one of his appointed State Dept flunkies said what Trump et al were doing was OK because by that time Obama was El Presi in name only.
  
  Ok….
  So prior to November 8, nothing to see in crooked Clinton’s corner. After November 8 who gives a shit. Just a desperate ploy to divert attention from a failed campaign that was even obvious to the cigar man….
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:14am
Monty

Of interesting news to me is a report on red radio that the green Taliban are having a squabble within the ranks as their resource has been cut (thanks meTu) and staff are being advised that they are not up to being support for government.

I think we may start to see the wheels fall off especially as Golly G has taken all the limelight
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December 11, 2017 8:31am
- CHFR1
  
  Is it just me or is it new to combine the polls for the governing parties and say this is the support for the Government?? I can’t recall that the last Government was reported this way, it just leads me to think that even the media know the CoL is just not popular so they are trying to spin for all they are worth.
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:01am
  - flipper
    
    Only in determining seats in the House. But as now used is just MSM pro Peters-Ardern Regime spin.
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:17am
Gravelroad

There was a man -Stephen someone – on the AM show today talking about water supplies, infrastructure, state of reticulation and so on.
All bad apart from Auckland. Fault lies with central and local govt.
Stephen is the CEO of Infrastructure NZ – has been for 12 years.
No information that I heard as to what Infrastructure NZ does or has done to remedy this terrible state of affairs. What’s the point of them – just highly paid report writers are they?
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December 11, 2017 8:33am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They are an independent think tank aka lobbygroup
  https://infrastructure.org.nz/
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:53am
  - Gravelroad
    
    Thank you.
    How effective is their lobbying?
    All very well to set up a group to point out problems. Most of us know about them anyway.
    What about some solutions?
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:09am
EAD_TWO

Little ol New Zealand is featuring on Zerohedge as we reach approach peak Bitcoin insanity – an Auckland man has sold his house (in Hamiltron) to build a “virtual currency mine” in a “Secret West Auckland” location:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-12-09/auckland-man-sells-house-build-bitcoin-mining-rig

It’s quite amusing watching this mania which is way, way worse than the dot-com mania of the 1990’s and the housing insanity of present.

Bitcoin is a digital nothing recorded on a digital ledger created from thin air by a programmer. Anyone can create a hundred more cryptocurrencies just like it so it’s intrinsic value, just like Fiat, is zero

For those who hold real money (which can’t be created ad infinitum, is a store of value & has value in it’s right), hold tight as we are in the crack up boom stage.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/crackup-boom.asp
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December 11, 2017 8:35am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD TWO , I take that all this portends your global meltdown part 2 ?.
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:41am
- Victor Omega
  
  Lately, every day someone on GD gets up on their Bitcoin soapbox. It seems we may be stuck in an echo chamber. “How much time can reasonably be spent in once place, writing about a currency they think is going to fail, yet continues to succeed beyond anyone’s expectation?” (Rochard). In the case of Kiwiblog GD, it’s been over 4 years. As you pointed out EAD, ever since “Wikiwhiris Business” first tipped Bitcoin and got downticked and mocked for it.
  At the risk of sounding like I am equally as stuck in a pro-Bitcoin echo-chamber, I’d like to offer some thoughts.
  
  First, very, very few people really understand crypto (myself included). Here’s a good read on that: https://www.forbes.com/sites/petertchir/2017/09/13/three-rules-of-bitcoin/#8c92cea18e84
  
  Second. The whole reason Bitcoin was created was not to get rich. It’s single purpose and goal is to render fiat worthless. Full stop. Which is a misnomer because fiat already is worthless, but let’s put that aside.
  Bitcoin is not money, nor was it meant to be transactional. Volatility (the “bubble” everyone likes to talk about) is caused mainly by people adopting it for speculation and dumping it when it gets overbought. The actual price is bitcoin’s economic use, which is growing, but slower. It’s a “slow bleed” over time. Once adoption reaches a point where bitcoin can be used for every day transactions, its volatility should greatly subside, since there won’t be much speculating left to do. (Mises – fb)
  
  Article here: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/speculative-attack/
  
  When you advise people to “hold tight [to your fiat]”, you’re essentially putting all their trust and faith in a centralised monopoly that has repeatedly proven itself to be very un-trustworthy. In bitcoin, you put your faith and trust in the blockchain – which is to say mathematics and technology.
  Actually, it’s fiat(s) that may end up being over inflated and replaced by crypto. That is, remember, the goal of bitcoin.
  
  Good article on that here: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/hyperbitcoinization/
  
  The reasons outlined above are partly why I like Bitcoin, and I present them here for information purposes only. Sorry it is long, I’ve tried to be as respectful and brief as possible. I know I’ll get downticked like all the bitcoin proponents before me, but maybe have a read of the articles before you do. 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:25am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Have to agree. In as far as actual value vs assumed value is concerned, I am reminded of the Tulip mania that saw the prices of individual tulips far outstrip their actual value. Bitcoin just appears to me to have little actual value, and I just get the sense that a lot of people are going to get horribly burned as a result.
  
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  December 11, 2017 12:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

What on earth is going on in Papamoa?
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11957232
Rough neighbourhood, eh!

Are all those old white folks joining retirement gangs?
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December 11, 2017 8:43am
- KevOB
  
  They are training for Poohbar Grants assault on their pension this week.
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:02am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  There was also a shooting.
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:41am
- Paulus
  
  Papamoa has changed dramatically over the last ten years as thousands of new houses have been built on former Maori owned land.
  New large suburbs have been built to accommodate more and more families arriving, many immigrants, into greater Tauranga.
  Prices were good but not so sure now.
  But there are pockets of the old unknown parts where old families still live, and where factions still take umbrage about being overlooked by the TOW.
  Why anybody wants to live in a total sand liquefaction area, which is subject to Tsunami, is beyond belief – but there is a buck to be made, but may be coming to a halt quite quickly as we will see soon.
  In the sales press you can buy almost any house there.
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:13am
- hullkiwi
  
  They are just getting in protests about how Winnie sold them down S**t Creek ahead of Bobbo’s big statement on Thursday.
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:56am
- Viking2
  
  Lyn Grove as about the last of the cross lease small sections with trailerable houses built on. Was a very down area for a few years until Royal Palm Beach was built next door. That dragged the prices north and so out went most of the riff raff. Still the cheapest part of town so rentals get a bit of rubbish.
  
  Like everywhere though there are good people interspersed. Scum everywhere now that HNZ doesn’t own any houses here. Be careful who you rent to.
  
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  December 11, 2017 7:35pm
waikatogirl

Cindy and Clark will be “spending Christmas in Gisborne with the in-laws.” Cindy’s parents will be joining them in Gisborne so Clark Gayford and her do not need to travel. She acknowledged the job of PM does not stop over the festive season so she will be available if necessary.

Maggy, you’ll have to do a drive by and report back.
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December 11, 2017 8:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  sorry WG,
  
  what’s seen in the locker room stays in the locker room.
  
  Still, I will be mightily pissed off if PM and entourage start clogging up my favourite grazing grounds.
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:58am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The entourage will sweep through Gissie and Clark is a local so will know all the coolest places to eat. I imagine Cindy’s security team will be accompanying her on her Christmas travels as we don’t want Cindy being swamped with glowing praise by the grateful locals.
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:10am
    - RF
      
      I understand that there is a huge order of palm fronds heading towards Gissie.
      
      When the tooth fairy does her walkabout these are to be spread on the ground in front of her.
      
      Bugger that’s a sight I would have loved to have witnessed but I have more important things to deal with such as watching paint drying.
      
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      December 11, 2017 9:31am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        The place is infested with palm trees already
        https://i1.wp.com/birdlingsflat.co.nz/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/ecgizzy9281.jpg
        
        https://teara.govt.nz/files/33531-enz.jpg
        
        Damn fronds all over the place
        
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        December 11, 2017 10:13am
      - Random Punter
        
        Not sure if you know, RF, but palm fronds, when finely ground and mixed with water, have a strong laxative effect, giving rise to the saying “With fronds like these, who needs enemas?”
        
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        December 11, 2017 3:54pm
    - Paulus
      
      Understand that Cinderella has a much larger contingent of Diplomatic Protection Squad than for example Key had –
      Why do the Police think she need as I understand eight people ?
      But I cannot confirm or deny this assertion.
      
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      December 11, 2017 11:16am
      - RF
        
        To protect her from her partner who has been known to lust
        after females.
        
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        December 11, 2017 11:27am
  - Manolo
    
    I trust you will be wearing my latest designs, dear Maggy. It should make the news in Gizzy!
    
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    December 11, 2017 11:59am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I wouldn’t think of venturing down to Kaiti Mall without my Manolo’s on.
      https://i.pinimg.com/736x/84/9d/d4/849dd4bcf02eb5395490c8f65ff0889c–fur-boots-suede-ankle-boots.jpg
      
      Cindy will have to up her game when she gets here!
      
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      December 11, 2017 3:14pm
brett68

If anyone’s interested I’ve created a chrome extension troll blocker for Kiwi Blog.

I’ll test it for a bit and once I’m happy with it I’ll put it up in the Chrome store and post a link.

Here’s a pic of who I’m blocking.
http://iforce.co.nz/i/kaucm2fm.hgj.jpg

It’s like they don’t exist.
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December 11, 2017 8:44am
- waikatogirl
  
  brett68, They are annoying and have a weird perspective of the world but probably think the same about the rest of us. I’d rather not live in an echo chamber.
  
  Thanks anyway.
  Merry Christmas and good cheer to all, strange men included. ?
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:51am
  - brett68
    
    You’ve got the ability to pause it whenever you want if you feel the need to read their bull shit.
    
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    December 11, 2017 8:56am
    - waikatogirl
      
      ? Clever stuff brett.
      It’s tempting.
      
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      December 11, 2017 9:11am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Can you get it to rate the quality of their bullshit, if it’s humorous I might look at it, if it’s just nasty petty vindictiveness or downright boring, not so much. Actually scrub that, they only seem to do the latter.
      
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      December 11, 2017 10:34am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Partially agree, but WoO, P Bright and stephieboy add nothing.
    
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    December 11, 2017 12:48pm
- dime
  
  bahaha thats awesome man.
  
  im not usually one to block. but hugh and william can eat a bag of dicks. boring AF
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:05am
  - brett68
    
    Me neither, but the trolling from the left has been of such poor quality they deserve it.
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:16am
    - dime
      
      yeah man, 100%. just boring garbage
      
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      December 11, 2017 9:54am
- Dave Mann
  
  You’re brilliant brett68. I kinda agree with waikatogirl that it’s probably better to let them have their say… but you are obviously up with the play on this IT thingy and good on you.
  
  I used to write BASIC code and I created some useful programs for my business. I also designed websites using HTML, but regrettably I couldn’t keep up with the changes and now I’m out of the loop, so I appreciate your enterprise and skill on this.
  
  Well done. It’ll be tempting to install it… hmm…. 😀
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:08am
  - Dave Mann
    
    A further thought. If you blocked the original troll wouldn’t the follow up comments make the whole exercise confusing? Wouldn’t you just get to see lots of answers without the original comment to refer to?
    
    If your blocker is able to block the whole thread when it starts, maybe that would be workable…. or have you already taken that into consideration?
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:19am
    - brett68
      
      Yep.
      
      If there are any follow up comments they’re deleted as well.
      
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      December 11, 2017 9:38am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yay… good one!
        
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        December 11, 2017 9:55am
      - ztev
        
        Ill have to work harder then, move myself into the super elite platinum status, I might even get a job offer from St petersburg?
        
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        December 11, 2017 10:13am
      - sooty
        
        Ztev, you will be too busy sweeping duck crap!
        
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        December 11, 2017 12:32pm
- SGA
  
  Here’s a pic of who I’m blocking.
  
  Every now and then, someone will comment here that “everyone I speak to agrees that …” or “nobody I know believes that …” or suchlike. I often find such comments odd because they didn’t reflect the range of opinions that I encountered.
  I think I understand now.
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:56am
- stephieboy
  
  brett68, infantilism and puerility at its best !
  
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  December 11, 2017 10:07am
  - holysheet
    
    Get used to it you fuckwit. It’s bye bye from him and good riddance from me.
    
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    December 11, 2017 11:22am
- KevOB
  
  Firefox/Mozilla please.
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:32am
  - brett68
    
    I don’t use firefox but if I’ve got time I’ll whip one up.
    
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    December 11, 2017 12:43pm
    - KevOB
      
      Thanks.
      
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      December 11, 2017 3:33pm
  - Viking2
    
    Firefox already has a blocker. Been around for a longtime and plenty have used it in the past. Someone will know what it’s called.
    
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    December 11, 2017 7:28pm
- hullkiwi
  
  Please add Splodge to the list.
  
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  December 11, 2017 12:00pm
  - brett68
    
    You can add/ remove whoever you want, you just click on the name of the poster and they’re added to your blacklist.
    
    Except me 😀
    
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    December 11, 2017 12:40pm
- Biscuit
  
  A tad harsh, brett68.
  
  Ztev and I would rarely agree (politically, at least) but his posts are (usually) succinct and to the point.
  
  I could easily, for example, sit down for a chat over (say) lunch or a meal with him.
  
  NO opinions would change, ha, but I likes me an argumentative sod…
  
  Kiwiblog thrives on different opinions. You have to get REALLY crass or abusive to cop a warning and DPF’s List of Rogues (and the reasons for the poster in question appearing therein) shows that those that ARE banned are well-deserving of that ban.
  
  Unlike, say, The Standard or WhaleOil … where it’s toe the party line or you are out on your ear.
  
  Ztev, a couple of your other proposed blockees, mind, just go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and (you’ve made your point, Biscuit. Stop it now!)
  
  One often wonders what happens if any of WoO, Penny or Hugh read each other’s epistles.
  What DO they think of their fellow writers’ works?
  ‘Brilliant!’?
  Or ‘Sheesh, that poster needs lessons in how to express an opinion in a more readable fashion! Just as well I’m so good at doing that!’
  
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  December 11, 2017 1:38pm
Chuck Bird

Does anyone else find this outrageous. Other countries do not allow convicted criminals or their families to benefit from writing books about their crimes. Should such a law apply here? I believe Witcliffe could have been stopped as Gaye Oakes was as a condition of her parole.

Exclusive: Dean Wickliffe’s escape bids detailed in new book

To purchase A Life Behind Bars by Dean Wickliffe, visit

https://www.deanwickliffe.co.nz/
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December 11, 2017 8:49am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I will attempt to read it, if our Library gets a copy.
  
  I’m interested to read the views of a crim on how jail has worked/failed to work.
  
  (note: yes, I realise there may be some bs in the tale that is written… my nose will sniff that out).
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:10am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Maggy, the library will still pay the killer.
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:29am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Maggy, unfortunately Nigal Latta’s story about him in the Darkland series no longer available on demand. I seen it and that motivated me to make my post.
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:39am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Chuck,
      
      I know Wickliffe’s history; but this is the argument I have with DG and you.
      If we are going to release crims back into society after they have served their time, then for all our sakes we have to ensure they can attempt to carve out a decent existence for themselves without endangering the lives of more folks.
      
      I can read all the sociological/psychological stuff about why people offend and how we can rehabilitate them and I know much of this stuff is being written by folks who have no idea of the life that crims have led or lead.
      
      What I don’t get to read/digest are the views of folks who have been there, done that and have got their lives back onto a decent track.
      (Wickliffe probably hasn’t; but our double killer seems to have).
      
      I’m not a crim hugger; but I’m sick of reading the views of do-gooders who haven’t got a clue.
      
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      December 11, 2017 10:01am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Maggy, like DG I put victims ahead of vicious criminal or former criminals. I remember very well the case of Gay Oakes. At the time I was involved with a fathers’ group. I met with her victim’s brother and sister. I got a photocopy of the trial transcript.
        
        Without going into details Oakes was not the victim she portrayed. There was violence but it was two way.
        
        A jury heard the full facts and found her guilty murder not manslaughter as it was very much premeditated.
        
        One of her conditions of parole was that she was not to comment publicly about her her version of events either in writing or at public meetings.
        The family of her victim deserved this.
        
        I watched most of the Darkland serious. I am certainly aware that very few if any had a good upbringing.
        
        I believe in free association. I cannot see myself wanting to associate with convicted violent criminals or kiddy fiddlers. I also do not want to associate with people who are known criminals or gang members. However, I should not be stopped from doing so.
        
        This is a different story for those on parole and in some cases for those who have completed their parole. The victims and their families have a life sentence.
        
        It is crim hugger flipper who has the sick mind when he refers to parole conditions as post release punishment.
        
        The double killer you refer to may not likely kill again but those who argue Lundy’s innocence have a truly sick mind.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMPM8WKY9tc
        
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        December 11, 2017 2:02pm
- flipper
  
  I knew the boy he killed. He was a good kid, and a promising apprentice watch maker/jeweller – one with real prospects.
  
  Wickliffe took his life and is now subject to life parole.
  
  I would rather Wickliffe earned his bread (if any) by writing about his life than sucking on the State, or engaging in more crime. Post release punishment is the product of sick minds.
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:30am
twofish

The 1News/Colmar Brunton poll is nicely rounded off the whole numbers without decimals, so with New Zealand First on 5%, is that really a decimal fraction about 5% or is New Zealand First actually just below that crucial 5% ?

And if the poll was instead an Election would the New Zealand First Party, with no Electorate Seats, be assigned to oblivion, just months after forcing or 70 changes or deletions to Labour policy to form the NZF/Labour/Green coalition government?
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December 11, 2017 8:49am
- KevOB
  
  I noted the sleigh of hand too. I suspect NZF did not get 5% because of those devious choices.
  
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  December 11, 2017 3:36pm
Keeping Stock

The implosion of the coalition is underway, starting with the Green Party:

A letter from disgruntled Green Party staff to its MPs has revealed complaints of low morale, bad communication and unfair treatment.

It highlights how difficult the party has found the transition into government, with a greatly reduced caucus and managing new ministerial responsibilities.

The Green Party has always prided itself on its tikanga, campaigning strongly on workers rights, speaking frequently at union events and describing work as “being valued and valuing each other”.

However the letter reveals staff are unhappy with the way they’ve been treated since the party has become part of the government.

RNZ understands there has been a push from senior party staff to hire external people for key advisor roles. There was some pushback, with one minister, Julie Anne Genter, going against the directive and hiring existing staff.

The letter makes it clear that some staff also took exception with the processes and some were left with the “distinct impression they were not valued” or that they had “defects” in their work.

“MPs and senior staff should now be fully aware of the damage to staff morale created by this drift away from Green kaupapa,” the letter said.

“They should also know that the manner in which Green staff have been treated has already diminished the reputation of the Green Party.”

The letter also states staff were prevented from providing feedback on a proposed staffing structure and “MPs impinged upon important rights to be heard”.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/345887/greens-letter-reveals-damage-to-staff-morale

Oh dear. In just the space of eight weeks or so the Green MP’s have got too big for their organic leather boots, and have crapped all over the workers.

It couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of MP’s. The leader needs to do some remedial work here, and quickly. That’s if he can turn his attentions away from a certain Green Party MP for long enough…
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December 11, 2017 9:12am
- kevn
  
  KS… Imploding slowly, Golly, maybe the original staff are just useless and not up to cranking out the data speedily? So many questions aimed at them these days. Perhaps being support staff for a minority nobody party for the last few years, had created a lowered output threshold.
  Greens… nah
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’m told that in the main, the Greens staff are very good. However their MP’s now have a higher opinion of themselves, now that they are supping from a more bountiful trough, so have brought in outsiders instead of promoting the staff that helped them get there.
    
    Not very Green at all, I would have thought…
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:56am
    - VicParking
      
      Agreed they now want silver service to suppliment their gold plated trough.
      
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      December 11, 2017 2:51pm
- RF
  
  Golly gosh what ever do you mean. Has Shaw been dipping his pen into the company ink..
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:36am
- Rich Prick
  
  After so many years on cruise-control in opposition the buggars are only just discovering what real work is (well, not in the real world, but compared to being in opposition). Golly me, hey Clint.
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:41am
- howitis
  
  I am more concerned with how the Green filth treat the people who pay for everything ‘Government funded’ including their salaries, travel, staff, office infrastructure, and the large expenses run up by the nasty Mojo Mathers.
  
  The Green filth (known in some quarters as a Green Pardy, and in other quarters more correctly as unwashed communists and anarchists) have a wee cry about staffing when in fact they are proud liars and misandrists.
  Meteria Turei was proud to lie and obfuscate about her benefit fraud even when it told nasty lies about the very people (Hartleys) who had helped her. She was proud of her crime and it, would appear, remains so today.
  Golriz Ghahraman is proud to lie by omission then steps in with heavy obfuscation. Smiling photos with ultimately convicted promoters of mass murder are fine in such a nasty world. You just don’t understand! By the way she is a hard put upon refugee who gone done good. Kia Kaha.
  
  Green Pardy are nasty people. Really nasty.
  Look at what they did to the two white males- Clendon and Graham. They basically ran them out of town.
  There was a vicious fight for non-penis-bearing co-leader a few years back and Meteria Turei ran the toughened hide of Sue Bradford out of town.
  Who is to say the scandal that arose around Ghahraman’s obfuscation did not originate from someone vying for the new ‘non-penis-bearing co-leader’ role with bigger salary and power.
  They are simply vicious people and their methodology is to belittle people. Look at the two wimpy eunuchs left on non female roles by the vicious misandrists!
  
  There is nothing good or decent about the way the hijacked Green party treat each other let alone the taxpaying citizens of the country of Aote… New Zealand.
  
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  December 11, 2017 10:03am
  - RF
    
    The cost of the equipment for Mojo Mathers was eye watering and a waste of time. She did not contribute to anything worth while in the house and was an expensive passenger.
    
    Sounds like Ardern during the last 9 years.
    
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    December 11, 2017 11:37am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Narcissists and sociopaths thrive within groups of religious zealots (Greens, Churches). They get found out too quickly in bigger more rational groups where people don’t have their blinders on.
    
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    December 11, 2017 1:21pm
- thedavincimode
  
  That’s if he can turn his attentions away from a certain Green Party MP for long enough…
  
  C’mon, out with it and don’t be such a tease. Who’s he porking? It would be too much to hope it’s the ~~valiant defender of human rights~~ second now totally discredited melon bullshit artist. Or is he just having a peter dunne episode?
  
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  December 11, 2017 10:25am
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Buffalo coach Sean McDermott’s ridiculous words are further evidence that the forced veneration of the military has ruined U.S. sports

Along with Israel and North Korea, the United States is the most highly propagandized society in the world. One of the most grievous forms of this propaganda is the way that flag-worshipping, bomber-saluting military idolatry suffuses organized sports, and especially professional sports. Frequently, whole rounds of the competition are designated “Military Appreciation Week”, and suddenly everyone on the sideline staff—that’s DOZENS of coaches and assistants in each team—is dressed in camouflage gear, with flag decals featured prominently. This spurious and distasteful forced marriage of sports and miltarism didn’t just happen: the Pentagon pays for all those pre-game and halftime “patriotic” extravaganzas, and for all that fake combat gear; the more thoughtful and intelligent players are refusing to comply with these state-organized farces.

https://twitter.com/EdgeofSports/status/911973559815278592

Right now, the Indianapolis Colts are playing the Buffalo Bills in a snowstorm. The second half is under way, and conditions are getting worse. One of the commentators has just observed, “the snow is coming down in waves here.”

The cunning old Bills are cunningly dressed in white, and this near invisibility has assisted them in compiling their 7-0 halftime lead. As the frozen teams streamed off the field for the halftime break, viewers were subjected to another reflex tribute to the military….

SIDELINE REPORTER: Coach, this is obviously something you can’t prepare for!

SEAN McDERMOTT: Yeah, no different from what our military people go through every day, right?

SIDELINE REPORTER: Right!

Sean McDermott obviously feels not the slightest compunction about uttering that kind of empty, automatic praise for the military, but young people are not so cynical or pliable….

http://mashable.com/2017/09/30/high-school-football-anthem-protest-texas/#2RBFHLlG_kqV

http://wreg.com/2017/09/28/high-school-football-players-taking-a-knee/
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December 11, 2017 9:12am
- Rodney Randall
  
  “Everything I know about morality and the obligations of men, I owe it to football (soccer).”
  
  Albert Camus on sport and life.
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:37am
- labrator
  
  So your point is that “waves” is a trigger word now? Man, it must suck going to the beach. I’ll be sure to put some trigger warning signs up.
  
  Also, if you think “veneration of the military” is “forced” then you haven’t done any basic maths. The military using force does not look like freedom of expression.
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:38am
- Nukuleka
  
  Who, frankly, gives a toss, Morrie?
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:48am
  - Morrissey
    
    This bloke certainly does….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrW-GI_9IL8
    
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    December 11, 2017 8:32pm
- tom hunter
  
  … this spurious and distasteful forced marriage of sports and miltarism didn’t just happen:”
  
  It happened because of super-admirable efforts like this: Army-Navy choirs sing the Star Spangled Banner – in falling snow before that Army-Navy football game.
  
  Followed by what happened during the game as the Navy part of the crowd taunts the Army about their recent West Point graduate communist:
  
  One large banner that hung over the barrier between the field and the seats on Saturday read “Not Communist.”
  
  As the comment from the first link states:
  
  Hatred of the United States may not have been a deep secret of the progressive left, but it wasn’t proudly proclaimed for public consumption. Now you don’t have to take the trouble to suffer through the teachings of Woodrow Wilson or Howard Zinn to get a clue.
  
  The “Progressive” Left. Not just losers, but pathetic losers! 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2017 10:34am
  - Morrissey
    
    How many awards did the best football player in America win last week? There was the Sports Illustrated Muhammad Ali Legacy Award, then later on the same day he got another award; what WAS it?
    
    Oh, and then he was also the runner-up for TIME Person of the Year. And he was nominated for a Nobel Prize. And he’s without doubt the most famous athlete in the world.
    
    Yes, he sure is a loser. How unhappy he looks…
    
    https://media.tmz.com/2017/09/15/0915-colin-kaepernick-nflpa-getty-4.jpg
    
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    December 11, 2017 8:26pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99715116/majority-of-christchurch-residents-against-spending-ratepayers-money-on-cathedral-restoration

Now will the Mayor Dalziel and elected representatives/ bureaucrats listen to the wishes of the majority of chch rate payers?

ZB host Chris Lynch has already stated that he will encourage a rates revolt if this council shafts the rate payers in light of the public submissions findings.

Dalziel stressed, on his show a few months back, after taking some heat over the proposed 10 mill donation, that “we will be going out for consultation” on the proposed 10 mill ‘donation’.

However, she also stated that “this is not a referendum”

No doubt, this will be the greatest example of a sham local govt public submission/consultation process.
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December 11, 2017 9:32am
- KevOB
  
  The 10M was promised before, and to the Synod, who voted to allow Christchurch to retain their icon.
  To welsh on that would be grossly deceitful. If Council did not have the authority to give that undertaking the decision could be revisited.
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:42am
Inandout

‘It is Jacinda here, please help us out Bill. Look I know we said some nasty things about you prior to, and post election, but Bill we REALLY need your help with poverty stricken children. Our real PM has given me the OK to ask National for help, so I am extending an olive branch’ (with barbs).

If Bill falls for this one I will happily take my loyalties elsewhere.
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December 11, 2017 9:36am
Rich Prick

Guy Williams declares fraudster Meteria Turei his New Zealander of the Year. At least it’s filed under “entertainment”. If you need to disgorge the contents of your stomach, have a read.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/99579343/guy-williams-governmentchanging-metiria-turei-is-my-kiwi-of-the-year
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December 11, 2017 10:04am
- Harkman
  
  I declare Guy Williams NZ’s Moron of the year, taking the title off Munter Minto.
  
  (Williams partner is the little Iranian liar).
  
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  December 11, 2017 10:07am
  - skyblue
    
    Williams ain’t a comic, he is not even a halfwit.
    
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    December 11, 2017 10:15am
    - sooty
      
      Tell me again who was the not so funny comedian, that was kiddie fiddling his own child?
      
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      December 11, 2017 12:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        We can’t; the individual has permanent name suppression.
        It would get our host DPF into trouble.
        As far as I know, the chap has not worked as a comedian since his conviction.
        
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        December 11, 2017 6:51pm
    - Morrissey
      
      He was funny in this…
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYEuWoiXXhs
      
      And this….
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLTyNOxXWCM&t=4s
      
      Now why would the National Party and its small but loud band of supporters detest him so much? I wonder….
      
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      December 11, 2017 8:18pm
Harkman

That Lisa “The World’s Worst Interviewer” Owen during the weekend is such a leftist screwball, she doesn’t even hide her leftism. She was going on at Bill English that somehow he & National have to cooperate with the Government now they are in opposition for some sort of national good. Yet if you look at the archives, she was critical of National in government when they were doing a good job and encouraged Labour MPs to attack the government harder.
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December 11, 2017 10:04am
- 4077th
  
  I started watching that and turned it off pretty sharply when all she could come up with was ridicule and blame. What a vacuous, cloth eared bint she is. I watch less and less TV these days to avoid the media hacks and trolls like her and her ilk. I get far more enjoyment out of dialling up what I want to watch on the web.
  
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  December 11, 2017 12:30pm
  - Harkman
    
    I don’t blame you.
    
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    December 11, 2017 2:55pm
stephieboy

We have much to thank the former President as Iraq proclaims victory over ISIS . A President who wisely refused to allow his country to get involved in another 2003 or BAM WAM marvel comics type of Blitz as the current President seemed to hanker after .

As for what Trump stood for over Iraq is hard to say as he seemed to change his tune ( or misinform )every step of the way..

Lets not forget our countries contribution and John Key’s wise decision about not getting boots on the ground . Instead a very useful contribution training the Iraqi armed forces of which I’m sure they will be ever grateful for .

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-islamicstate/iraq-declares-final-victory-over-islamic-state-idUSKBN1E30B9
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December 11, 2017 10:04am
- Scott
  
  Stephieboy – yes we have much to thank the former president of the United States for. He was the one that withdrew all of the American troops out of Iraq. He was the one that left a vacuum which allowed the rise of Isis. He was the one who said that Isis was not a problem, they were like a junior varsity basketball team. He was the one who finally sent troops back to Iraq to try and solve the problem he created when he withdrew all of the troops out of Iraq.
  
  And he was the one that imposed such restraints on the troops that they could not do their job and the most powerful nation in the world could not defeat 30,000 Isis fighters.
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:01am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott , yes President Obama did with troops out of Iraq and in accordance with President G W Bush’s time line .
    
    ISIS arose due in part to the Bush admiration dismantling of the Iraqi army creating an armed vacuum for the disgruntled out of work to fester and hence ISIS .
    
    The appointment of a Shia President of Iraq, Nouri al-Maliki did not help either nor the very fact the presence of uninvited US troops and the cultural baggage they brought with them etc, etc
    
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    December 11, 2017 11:28am
    - sooty
      
      Never mind Trump will fix it!
      
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      December 11, 2017 12:39pm
- Scott
  
  The current president of the United States on the other hand is the one who promised that he would bomb the hell out of Isis and he did so. The current president is the one who gave military command back to the military commanders and told them to beat Isis and win the war. The current president is the one who allowed the military commanders to hugely increase the number of airstrikes and the weight and vigour of military action. Rather than just moving Isis from place to place the tactics changed to destroying the Isis fighters where they were.
  
  The current president should be given great plaudits for actually winning the war and defeating Isis. Unfortunately we have a mainstream media that always goes with the bad and so they will not give the current president any credit for anything.
  
  The current president is a winner and he has defeated Isis and the caliphate is no more. That is what you call winning big-league!
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:04am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott, did the President bomb ISIS to hell inside Iraq ? Where exactly ?
    
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    December 11, 2017 11:19am
Dave Mann

MMP for dummies.

I’ve been trying to understand the way MMP works and I think I’ve nailed it now.

After the election, regardless of the voters’ actual preferences, the final composition of our government is decided by a very small group of Masturbators, Mafiosi and Poseurs.

This is vital and important work and that’s why the group is so small. We can’t have just everybody deciding who will be our government can we?
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December 11, 2017 10:30am
- Harkman
  
  “Masturbators, Mafiosi and Poseurs”
  
  Is Winston:
  A) a masturbator
  B) a mafiosi
  C) a poseur
  Or
  D) all of the above.✔
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:09am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I’m not sure about A), but B) and C) definitely apply.
    
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    December 11, 2017 11:36am
  - Dave Mann
    
    The Masturbators include, but are not limited to S.Jones
    The Mafiosi obviously include, but are not limited to W.Peters
    The Poseurs are all of them ,but particularly that squirty little bald Maori mechanic.
    
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    December 11, 2017 6:41pm
KiWombat

HELP !
Desperately needing input on this one !
I’ve been trawling through global electoral results, and I’ll be damned if I can find another example of a sitting member losing THREE constituency contests.
There are several examples of losing two, but those guys seemed to get them message after that.
Maybe our electoral system has bred a contender for the Guinness record book, or at least a contender for “THE BIGGEST LOSER” of 2017.
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December 11, 2017 10:33am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Ah Winston, lost more seats than a blind security guard at a furniture store!
  
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  December 11, 2017 12:14pm
- alwyn
  
  These may not be what you are looking for but have a look at some of these determined types.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perennial_candidate#United_States
  In particular look at Harold Stassen. He ran for the Republican nomination for President 12 times between 1944 and 2000. He was actually a serious prospect in the first 3 tries. That was 1944, 1948 and 1952.
  He never did get the message they didn’t want him though.
  
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  December 11, 2017 12:26pm
  - KiWombat
    
    Thanks for that Alwyn. Was aware of some of these, but our Whinny actually became an electorate MP and then lost it three times. Of course he doesn’t even need to run for nomination, perhaps if he did then the outcome may have been different.
    So he’s still a contender for “THE BIGGEST LOSER!”
    
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    December 11, 2017 12:46pm
SPLOOGE

Ahhh. I’ve worked it out.
If the commentators here aren’t miserable then they’re not happy.
The reason I think this is because I’ve never seen such a load of moaning tossers in one place.
None of you have got anything good to say, it’s all doom and gloom.
I know you are still largely bitter at losing the election you deserved to win but you needed a majority to do that and you couldn’t get that because Joyce being the moronic dick head he is burnt all the bridges.
Ohh well. At least I’m happy. I revel in your collective misery.
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December 11, 2017 10:45am
- tusker
  
  The misery comes from watching the slow motion train crash, knowing we will all bear the cost of sorting the mess out. Even the Wellington business community has, in its latest plunging confidence survey, figured out the CoL is on the same old socialist path to despair.
  
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  December 11, 2017 10:50am
- labrator
  
  I’ve told you before I’m happy with the election result. It should mean National is back in by 2020 at the latest, it’s all going as expected at the moment. You didn’t believe me last time I told you so I don’t expect you will this time either. I’m particularly liking the 100 day plan.
  
  All in all, the weather is great and holiday is about to start. What a great year!
  
  I do hope you can stick around, ztev really isn’t the same since [s]he’s been asked to defend NZFirst and the Greens. That must be demoralising… I mean imagine trying to rationalise that level of hypocrisy. You have to promote and criticise the Kermedec Ocean Sanctuary in the same breath just for starters.
  
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  December 11, 2017 10:58am
- Rich Prick
  
  On the contrary, I’ve noticed a discernible up-swing in the humour here since Winston knobbled together the Clusterfuck of Losers. The only misery seems to come from the Labour/Green party trolls who can’t understand the entertainment we take from watching one fuck up after another.
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:13am
  - sam green
    
    Really? – I’ve noticed an awful lot of seething from the right.
    
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    December 11, 2017 3:32pm
    - Brito
      
      SAM GREEN! Go to your room and just wait until your father gets home!!!!
      
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      December 11, 2017 4:55pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Splooge, I think you are misunderstanding what you see. It seems to me that most people who comment here are grateful for what they have. This means that they cannot be miserable.
  Making comments about the ineptitude of the current Government cannot be considered peddling doom and gloom. Its just commenting on the fact that the Government is inept.
  
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  December 11, 2017 12:07pm
tom hunter

Ohh well. At least I’m happy. I revel in your collective misery.- SPLOOGE

Yes, folks, you too can live a balanced and meaningful life like this if you become a Leftist. 🙂
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December 11, 2017 10:54am
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Tom, leftists are by nature miserable, since they all, to a man, expect to be given something, and when it doesnt happen, unhappiness and misery are always a by product.
  
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  December 11, 2017 12:08pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Well in that case I’m no Leftist.
    On the contrary most of my friends consider me more right wing.
    I on the other hand consider myself to be a centralist.
    I’ve never been on a benefit and do not claim family credits or whatever they’re called.
    I’m a positive contributor to this country and I am happy to pay my fair share so that others don’t go hungry.
    Hungry desperate people do crimes to survive and I’m sure we all agree that less crime is a good thing.
    
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    December 11, 2017 12:15pm
    - 4077th
      
      There, you see it’s not that hard to make a comment without some sort of idealogical attack on the other voters. If you had lead with that perhaps you would not have attracted the criticism you highlight in you first post. Happy to be of service!
      
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      December 11, 2017 12:42pm
    - In Vino Veritas
      
      Happy to pay your fair share Splooge? And exactly what is your fair share? 30c in the dollar? 40c in the dollar? Is it $500? $6000? Or is it a number or a percentage that your “hungry desperate” people come up with?
      We have an extremely well funded, functioning social welfare system in NZ. It provides food, clothing and shelter for those that truly need it. So there is no excuse whatsoever for anyone to commit crime.
      
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      December 11, 2017 2:09pm
    - Manolo
      
      Let me ask you a question: when comes to taxes what do you consider “fair share”?
      
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      December 11, 2017 2:11pm
      - KiWombat
        
        If you can afford to buy a $250,000 car then you pay $37,500 gst. If you can only afford to buy a $30000 car then you pay $4,500 gst. That’s fair. And of course if you can only afford to buy a 2nd hand car then you pay no gst at all ! Not so sure whether that’s fair, because the “rich pricks” have paid gst on the car when new, and subsidise those who can only afford a second hand car.
        Capiche?
        
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        December 11, 2017 9:55pm
    - Harkman
      
      How come many poor countries, inhabited with many poor people have lower crime rates?
      
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      December 11, 2017 3:00pm
tom hunter

The attack against the Synagogue in Gothenburg and calls for violence against Jews in Malmö are deplorable and totally unacceptable. Anti-Semitism, threats and violence have no place in our society.

That’s the Foreign Minister of Sweden, Margot Wallstrom, tweeting yesterday about the firebombing of a Synagogue in Gothenberg, where it was attacked by twenty masked men while Jews hid in the basement.

You go girl! Of course you’re part of the Swedish State that has dismissed for years all this talk about rising Jew-hate in the country due to all the Middle East immigration you’ve encouraged. And there has been plenty of warning as (((Yair Rosenberg))) pointed out:

Here’s a little timeline I put together in 2014-15 of select anti-Semitic incidents in Sweden. Today’s synagogue attack is horrific, but it’s sadly not surprising. That it seems new to many is more a reflection of what media pays attention to.

It’s quite a list, compounded by the sad stupidity of people in charge like Ms. Wallstrom, who probably think that virtuous proclamations about things being …“deplorable and totally unacceptable …. threats and violence have no place in our society” … are going to reverse this.

What a vacuous, ignorant idiot – but she’s a perfect representative of the Swedish State.
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December 11, 2017 11:06am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes its like world leaders saying “We stand together” against terrorism. And “we will not let them beat us”
  
  yeah stand together and get blown up.
  Yet in every successful attack on the west they beat us by killing our good people.
  
  Yes people like her are the problem!
  
  Long live Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Myanmar.
  
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  December 11, 2017 1:43pm
Lucia Maria

A kid misses out on dux because he studied harder subjects such as physics and calculus, while as the winner studied media studies and drama. The kid is calling for the more difficult subjects to be given more weight.

Mike Hoskings and former NZQA chief executive Bali Haque consider this to be an “old-school attitude”. see Newstalk ZB post and linked audio.

Physics and Calculus aren’t harder, they are just different according to Mike and Bali.

LOL.
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December 11, 2017 11:10am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Here’s the original story from yesterday’s NZ Herald: Filip Vachuda: Some school subjects are worth more than others
  
  My school’s administration dismissed the concept of subject difficulty as merely an “artificial construct”, and claimed such an attitude was “consistent” among the vast majority of NCEA schools.
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:20am
  - Rich Prick
    
    The issue has always been what we used to call parity of esteem.
    
    Yet in real life, you can’t really expect to do medicine if you only excelled at basket weaving and dance at school.
    
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    December 11, 2017 11:26am
- 4077th
  
  The clever people cant’s always win Lucia..That’s just not fair on the others at all. There are no such things as losers anymore just varying degrees of winning. I fear future parents are sending children to schools of SJW indoctrination and touchy feely, luvvie infested social engineering camps. The boy complaining is right and should be recognised for it but nooooo we can’t have that sort of talk.
  
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  December 11, 2017 12:50pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Harder? Of course they are. Media Studies and Drama are significantly more subjective. You can be right without being completely right. Physics and calculus? no chance of that. You are either right, or wrong.
  
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  December 11, 2017 2:12pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Drama and media studies LOL.
  FFS that has about as much academic value as “Ethnic Studies” or “Gender Studies”.
  If the dux had studied “Racism and Bigotry Studies” then I would take a different view and say the award was richly deserved however.
  
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  December 11, 2017 2:37pm
- Flash
  
  AAA
  
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  December 11, 2017 7:52pm
tom hunter

And keying off that Swedish story and it’s comment that the news being… new to many is more a reflection of what media pays attention to., there’s this comment from Leftie Glenn Greenwald – not without his own problems in the distant past, sock-puppets and all, but he nails the disaster of a day the US MSM had last Friday:

FRIDAY WAS ONE of the most embarrassing days for the U.S. media in quite a long time. The humiliation orgy was kicked off by CNN, with MSNBC and CBS close behind, with countless pundits, commentators and operatives joining the party throughout the day. By the end of the day, it was clear that several of the nation’s largest and most influential news outlets had spread an explosive but completely false news story to millions of people, while refusing to provide any explanation of how it happened.
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It’s impossible to convey with words what a spectacularly devastating scoop CNN believed it had, so it’s necessary to watch it for yourself to see the tone of excitement, breathlessness and gravity the network conveyed as they clearly believed they were delivering a near-fatal blow to the Trump/Russia collusion story.
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here was just one small problem with this story: it was fundamentally false, in the most embarrassing way possible. Hours after CNN broadcast its story – and then hyped it over and over and over – the Washington Post reported that CNN got the key fact of the story wrong.

Actually it was also MSNBC and several others that lept all over the story with equal “breathlessness”, which just made it worse.

What I’d like to see – and probably will not – is any MSM questions about the sources for the story, because they had to be Democrat politicians or advisors who had been briefed by Congress “in secret” and multiple sources got the date wrong. One source would have been an accident (Sep 14, not Sep 4). Multiple sources means deliberate collusion to feed the MSM and profit by it. In the past journalists would burn a source who deliberately mislead them, but not now apparently – because they’re in bed with the Democrat Party.

I’ll leave the final word to Greenwald:

So continually awful and misleading has this reporting been that even Vladimir Putin’s most devoted critics – such as Russian expatriate Masha Gessen, oppositional Russian journalists, and anti-Kremlin liberal activists in Moscow – are constantly warning that the U.S. media’s unhinged, ignorant, paranoid reporting on Russia is harming their cause in all sorts of ways, in the process destroying the credibility of the U.S. media in the eyes of Putin’s opposition.

Normally I’d finish one of these pieces with Delenda est MSM or Die, MSM. Die – but they’re circling the drain perfectly well by themselves.

Wonder how our MSM covered this – especially RNZ?
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December 11, 2017 11:20am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Well, if they included coverage of what Greenwald said, they should add that he typically runs interference on the Russia story and pushes Kremlin propaganda. He will inflate the importance of anything that shows the Russia story to be incorrect and stay silent on what is damning. He’s far worse than the MSM as there is an intelligence behind what he says, with a definite goal in mind.
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:29am
- Fletch
  
  The MSM don’t bother to fact check these days. Just look at Joy Behar from The View reporting with glee on it. It’s more of a wish-fulfillment thing for them and they are willing to accept any anti-Trump story at face value without checking it out. The ABC reporter has since been stood down for a month.
  
  https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/936704489817624583/video/1
  
  Ugly.
  
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  December 11, 2017 2:33pm
tusker

The missus and I are not entirely ‘ collectively miserable’ though. Having funded our kids through tertiary eduction, we set up a trust fund years ago to do the same for our grandkids. The first one has just been accepted to one of the higher cost and longer degree courses. Which will put them on track to be among the very best paid professionals in this country.

Along come these dumb arse commo muddlers and in one stroke of their pen free up a chunky amount of capital for us to lavishly blow on mindless consumerism.

A brilliantly conceived subsidy from middle NZ to the richly deserving 10 percenters. More poverdy for them, more prosperedy for us.
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December 11, 2017 11:33am
- KevOB
  
  And the pensioners are going to lose a $1,000 a year.
  
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  December 11, 2017 11:55am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    No they’re not.
    
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    December 11, 2017 12:10pm
    - mandk
      
      Never heard of a counterfactual?
      
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      December 11, 2017 2:10pm
    - KevOB
      
      It must be a world first having a new government increasing a legislated tax rate on pensioners.
      
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      December 11, 2017 3:45pm
- Fletch
  
  As Milton Friedman puts it, you are taxing everyone to confer benefits on those with higher incomes. It’s a form of welfare for the rich.
  
  “Those students [who receive the benefits of a free education] tend to be in the middle or upper income groups – either their parents are from that group, or they themselves will be in that group when they get out – whereas the funds come from people all over so that you have a case in which you are imposing taxes on relatively low income people to confer very large benefits on upper income people”.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3-_r_t7AZU
  
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  December 11, 2017 2:14pm
Manolo

Oh dear, her meddling (and incompetence) is neither wanted nor appreciated:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/aussies-dont-want-arderns-advice/ar-BBGrAaF

A meeting between Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and Australia’s Opposition leader Bill Shorten has resulted in some brutal comments online.

Ms Ardern raised the issue of Australia’s education policy with Mr Shorten during his visit to Auckland, telling him inaction will ultimately “hold Australia back”.

When Aussie newspaper The Australian posted Ms Ardern’s comments on Facebook, the response was intense.

One Aussie commented: “I’m pretty sure we will be ok Jacinda, we own your banks, your supermarkets, your insurance companies, basically your soul.”
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December 11, 2017 11:51am
- SPLOOGE
  
  Yeah but Australians are a bunch of feral mongs.
  Take what they say with a grain of salt.
  Their country ain’t much chop.
  
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  December 11, 2017 12:05pm
  - Jack5
    
    Your holiday in Queensland not go well, Splooge?
    
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    December 11, 2017 1:16pm
- In Vino Veritas
  
  Was she meeting Bill Shorten, the Union thug, who was investigated by the Royal Commission a short while ago? The guy that took donations in return for trading away members rights? That Shorten? Old Shifty Shorten?
  
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  December 11, 2017 12:21pm
- Jack5
  
  One Aussie’s online quip about Ardern: “You can’t haka your way out of everthing.”
  
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  December 11, 2017 5:07pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Jacinda has a soul? If she did, she sold it to the Devil, oops, I mean Winston. (Would have been better selling it to the Devil, He’s more honest than Winny.)
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:48pm
Manolo

Those peaceful Muslims:
http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Stabbing-attack-at-Jerusalems-Central-Bus-Station-517600

A 35-year-old security guard is in severe condition after he was stabbed in the chest in an attack near the Central Bus Station in Jerusalem on Sunday.

At around 2 p.m. a 24-year-old Palestinian man arrived at the security check at the entrance of the station, and while he was being checked, he pulled out a knife and stabbed the guard then fled the scene.
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December 11, 2017 12:02pm
- holysheet
  
  What!! I am shocked that a member of the religion of peace would do such a dastardly thing. Are you sure it’s not fake news?
  
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  December 11, 2017 12:31pm
- Inandout
  
  Cannot non Muslim guards at least wear a pork crackle necklace? I don’t think Jews are against wearing pork, just eating it. Pork should be used more often against terrorists; what is the matter with the US?
  
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  December 11, 2017 1:01pm
backster

I wonder if the recent drive to ban plastic bags in our supermarkets was driven by the fake science of these scientists https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ91HyBSTSI&feature=em-subs_digest-vrecs
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December 11, 2017 12:25pm
- mandk
  
  The recent drive to ban plastic bags in our supermarkets is a marketing ploy.
  
  The supermarkets stop giving shopping bags away for nothing, so people have to buy plastic bags for their kitchen rubbish instead.
  
  The result is lower costs and increased sales – and a whole heap of virtue signalling.
  
  Pure genius!
  
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  December 11, 2017 2:06pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    You pay for the bags in the prices you pay. No free lunch or plastic bags.
    
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    December 11, 2017 3:51pm
    - marcw
      
      The plastic bags they offer for sale are many times more expensive and much less biodegradable than the bags they use at present for customers. It’s a lose/lose for us paying.
      
      (Sorry WG, hit Report by mistake fyi)
      
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      December 11, 2017 7:07pm
realityczech

This Jewish person would be banned on KB

Representing Hillary Clinton’s campaign in a March 17, 2008 United Jewish Communities forum in Washington, Ann Lewis was quoted as saying “The role of the president of the United States is to support the decisions that are made by the people of Israel. It is not up to us to pick and choose from among the political parties”.[8]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Lewis
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December 11, 2017 12:48pm
- mandk
  
  Don’t know about that.
  
  People can express some utterly repugnant views and not get banned (although they do get sent to the naughty step, from time to time).
  
  You’re a good example, aren’t you Kea?
  
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  December 11, 2017 2:02pm
- Brito
  
  Quite rightly too!
  
  Can’t have Jewish people pointing out the facts to an unsuspecting public.
  
  This is the type of Democratic thinking that will get Hillary voted into power…hey hang on…if she worked for Hillary but thinks like this…and was a strategist for the Democrats…and yet Trump won…she’s actually a Mossad agent working for the Democrats…but is actually a Republican plant.
  
  Like your thinking rc…like it!!!
  
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  December 11, 2017 5:04pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Every time we do something you tell me Americans will do this and will do that. I want to tell you something very clear, don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” Ariel Sharon, Former Israeli Prime Minister Oct. 3, 2001
    
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    December 11, 2017 8:49pm
    - Brito
      
      That cost a few shekels I can tell you…already!!!
      
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      December 11, 2017 9:23pm
Digmen1

Its like the idiot who is the new United Nations Secretary General.

He was on tv the other day, lamenting crimes against humanity in Yemen and Myanamar.

He called for some leadership!

Dur – he is the leader!
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December 11, 2017 1:46pm
4077th

One wonders at the level of achievement required to obtain a Nobel prize these days? I would have presumed you would be nominated on an achievements or at the very least a contribution to the idea of “peace” in this particular instance.. International Campaign to Abolish Nuclear Weapons (ICAN), have won the Nobel prize for peace. Now, with the current dilemma the western world has with a certain rotund North Korean and substantial (albeit less than 40 years ago) western nuclear arms you would ask the question, what exactly have this group done to achieve abolishing any nuclear weapons at all? My submission would be, not a single confirmed abolishment of any type of Nuclear weapon. I am but a layman in such subjects but if they have managed to abolish Nuclear weapons what the hell went wrong in North Korea?

They are nothing more than another sink-hole for guilt based charity from concerned wealthy actors and sympathetic governments trying to look good while diverting attention from their own growing stockpiles. It’s BS of the first order and the Nobel organisation should be re-thinking their qualifications for nomination. /rant over :-/
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December 11, 2017 1:59pm
- Harkman
  
  Well sadly the Nobel prizes have been corrupted by political ideology. It is not about merit anymore. Obama got the Nobel Peace prize yet it is Ron Paul that actually advocates peace.
  
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  December 11, 2017 3:07pm
- Digmen1
  
  Russia and the USA did reduce the number of nuclear warheads they both had. But they still have a lot.
  
  Whats the best that with 5 years not one country has given up nukes and NK and Iran both have them.
  
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  December 11, 2017 4:50pm
  - 4077th
    
    Correct and this completely negates the work or the ideology of the charity. The charity achieves nothing and the money keeps coming. that right there is what it’s all about. Now they have a Nobel prize they will attract even more guilt money…for what?
    
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    December 12, 2017 9:38am
Manolo

stephieboy is devastated:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/12/09/iraq-declares-final-victory-in-war-over-eternal-enemy-islamic-state.html

Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi declared final victory over Islamic State on Saturday after Iraqi forces drove its last remnants from the country, three years after the militant group captured about a third of Iraq’s territory.

The announcement comes two days after the Russian military announced the defeat of the militants in neighboring Syria, where Moscow is backing Syrian government forces.
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December 11, 2017 2:04pm
- stephieboy
  
  Refer to my post at 10.04 & 11.28am etc
  
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  December 11, 2017 2:26pm
  - holysheet
    
    Can we have a link please….
    
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    December 11, 2017 4:09pm
waripori

The five days the ombudsman gave Jacinda to explain why the 38 pages of secrets should not be made public must be up by now.

Do we know what the outcome is?
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December 11, 2017 2:49pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That was 7 days ago (4 Dec),
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11952737
  but all Boshier was asking for was a response from Ardern to him within 5 days.
  
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  December 11, 2017 4:06pm
  - waripori
    
    So when is he going to decide?
    
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    December 11, 2017 4:36pm
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
11 December 2017

CEO
Auckland Transport
Shane Ellison

‘Open Letter’ / OIA to Auckland Transport CEO Shane Ellison re:Transdev public subsidies and corruption risk assessment.

Dear Shane,

Can you please provide the following information:

1) How much have PRIVATE transport provider Transdev received in PUBLIC subsidies from Auckland Transport, on an annual basis since Transdev were awarded the AT rail contract to run Auckland urban passenger trains.

2) How much have PRIVATE transport provider Transdev received in PUBLIC subsidies from New Zealand Transport Agency (NZTA) on an annual basis since Transdev were awarded the AT rail contract to run Auckland urban passenger trains.

3) How much money have you, Shane Ellison, as new CEO of AT, the delegated authority to spend on awarding contracts.

4) A copy of Auckland Transport’s ‘corruption risk assessment’ – (or the like) regarding your appointment as CEO of Auckland Transport (AT), given that you have just left the employment of Transdev (Australia), and Transdev have the AT contract to run Auckland urban passenger trains.

BACKGROUND INFORMATION:

Auckland Transport appoints new Chief Executive

https://at.govt.nz/about-us/news-events/auckland-transport-appoints-new-chief-executive/

“In a first, Shane was selected in an exemplar of a collaborative approach between a CCO and the Mayor, with the Mayor, AT Deputy Chairman, Wayne Donnelly and myself fully involved in the selection process from the outset.

Pippa Coom (Chair of the Waitemata Local Board) and Renata Blair (Member of the Independent Maori Statutory Board) were both involved in the final selection panel.
….”

Yours sincerely,

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.

Attendee: 2009 Australia Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference.

Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference.

Attendee: 2013 Australia Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference.

Attendee: 2014 G20 Anti-Corruption Conference.

Attendee: 2015 Australia Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference.

Attendee: 2017 Transparency International Australia Anti-Corruption Conference.

Attendee: 2017 Australia Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference.

Attendee: 2017 World Justice Project International Rule of Law Forum – The Hague.
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December 11, 2017 3:06pm
- Rich Prick
  
  You might have credibility if your next CV reads:
  
  Attendee: Rates payments kiosk.
  
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  December 11, 2017 3:22pm
- stigie
  
  “Can you please provide the following information:”
  
  Very funny Penny, how many commenters here have been trying to get information out of you with your dealings with the Auckland Council..?
  You are one deluded rates bludger !~
  
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  December 11, 2017 4:01pm
- holysheet
  
  You forgot this one,
  Failed election candidate at local and national levels
  
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  December 11, 2017 4:11pm
- Swifty
  
  Attendee this, attendee that.
  
  Honestly, what sort of person feels the need for this level of aggrandisement?
  
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  December 11, 2017 5:16pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray And Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
  Steve N/S
  Attendee Glenfield Trolley Derby 1986
  Fuck I got trolleyed – over the road at the GT
  
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  December 11, 2017 5:41pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck, I am impressed. The old hag has attended a whole bunch of conferences, many involving airfare it would seem. BUT SHE won’t PAY HER RATES. So until she does, she can go and get fucked, (if she can find someone drunk enough to do the fucking).
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

No rocket launch today
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/99733044/countdown-begins-for-rocket-lab-launch
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December 11, 2017 4:28pm
- Digmen1
  
  I wish them luck.
  But I find it so hard to believe that a little old NZ company can do what they promise.
  I hope they do.
  
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  December 11, 2017 4:51pm
  - sooty
    
    Why, should anyone supply info for you. You are not a ratepayer! The should tell you to to take a hike. You stupid woman. You dress funny as well. Why is your inflated opinion of yourself important? Piss off!
    
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    December 11, 2017 5:13pm
Jack5

? Fiji urged to fight discrimination against its white people!

https://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/345923/fiji-urged-to-help-people-with-albinism-out-of-the-shadows
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December 11, 2017 4:58pm
- Inandout
  
  Fiji is a race based country with Indians doing the bulk of the work and Fijians the land owners. Albinos are not a huge problem.
  
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  December 11, 2017 5:18pm
  - Jack5
    
    Albinos are “not a huge problem” posts Inandout.
    
    A problem?
    
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    December 11, 2017 6:07pm
    - Inandout
      
      Dodgy suntan lotion however is.
      
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      December 11, 2017 6:17pm
Manolo

The madness of some tax legislation:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-taxman-cometh-senate-bills-marginal-rates-could-top-100-for-some-1512942118
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December 11, 2017 5:31pm
Manolo

The Clinton News Network forges ahead:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/10/cnns-reliable-sources-turns-networks-colossal-screwup-into-an-attack-on-trump-video/

CNN’s “Reliable Sources,” hosted by Brian Stelter, bills itself as a show that provides “the story behind the story, how the media really works, and how the news really gets made.”

But the show, which airs Sunday mornings, failed to live up to that billing in its discussion of its massive screwup on a CNN story about Trumpworld that the network was forced to correct on Friday.
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December 11, 2017 6:30pm
Viking2

something fashionable for you girls or your wives you guys.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/12/jacinda-ardern-clothing-now-on-sale.html
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December 11, 2017 7:01pm
Johnboy

Shit I popped up to Countdown today and 50 more Twyfordable homes have popped up since yesterday!
It’s getting fucking hard to find a homeless chap to give my money too in Wainui these days! 🙂
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December 11, 2017 7:16pm
nasska

Spot the deluded politician:

“Fill a man’s head full of Islamic myths and he becomes as dangerous as a dog with rabies” – Sir Winston Churchill.

“The Islamic faith is the most evil theology on the planet” – William Gladstone.

“Islam has all the makings of a thoroughgoing cult of death” – Thomas Jefferson.

“Islam is a wonderful faith” – Theresa May
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December 11, 2017 8:24pm
- Johnboy
  
  Must be Winston. All liberal chaps know that rabid dogs just need a bit of love and understanding! 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:28pm
- realityczech
  
  nasska, can you use your Googling skills to find what various leaders have said of the Jew and its ways ?
  
  Ask Brittle to give you a hand, when he finishes polishing his Uzi 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:51pm
  - Brito
    
    What? What?
    
    Somebody dares to have an opinion?
    
    Sarah, fetch the Uzi!!!
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:14pm
    - realityczech
      
      Brittle don’t get your sidelocks in a twist.
      
      At least you don’t grovel before an image of the whore of Bethlehem watched over by a pedophile.
      
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      December 11, 2017 9:18pm
      - Brito
        
        Pagans and idol worshippers!
        
        Whatever happened to a good old ritualistic calf slaughter followed by a little wall wailing?
        
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        December 11, 2017 9:28pm
- Digmen1
  
  Er is it Theresa May and Angela Merkel?
  
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  December 12, 2017 5:58am
EAD_TWO

Multiculturalism for thee but not for me:

http://conservative-headlines.com/2013/05/staunch-promoter-of-multiculturalism-for-australia-says-multiculturalism-is-bad-for-israel/

Isi Leiber on Australia: “There is a need to sit together and establish a way in which Australians can recapture that spirit of multiculturalism which I think we are all proud being part and parcel of.”

Isi Leibler on Israel: “Multiculturalism has no place in Israel.”

Also worth noting that Isi’s wife, Naomi, is the president of Emunah, a Jewish women’s organization. She says that “assimilation and intermarriage” are the “greatest threats to world Jewry.”
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December 11, 2017 8:31pm
- Johnboy
  
  Quite so *ead2. Multiculturalism has no place in NZ either. Ask any Murri trougher thats hitched his wagon to the bicultural treaty gravy train. 🙂
  
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  December 11, 2017 8:37pm
- Brito
  
  If you want to maintain your flock you choose which ram goes to which ewe.
  
  Is that too esoteric? It’s getting late.
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:17pm
Viking2

It had to happen.
Morgan ,The Maori one ,spits the dummy, quits a post he should never have had and then shafts the people he shafted.

Morgan was why Maori went back to Labour.

Detested by many.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99752711/mori-party-president-resigns-and-calls-for-coleaders-to-follow-suit
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December 11, 2017 8:49pm
- Prince
  
  But, but, he has the mana…..
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:43pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Adrian Orr is the new Reserve Bank Governor, ready to take a big pay cut for the good of the country.
Oh, who was the last guy to do that? Oh……..ummmmm………. errrrr…..was it John Key?
Orr vs. Robbo is going to be fun to watch, but at least the main guy in charge of the country’s finances has an economic brain.
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December 11, 2017 8:52pm
flipper

…So Chucky Bird Dog, the barking mad lignocaine dental pilot, aka William of Ockham (of CC bullshit infamy) thinks I am a “crim hugger, and he attributes to me views on Lundy that are just not true.. views that I have never held or been presented by me.
So let us be clear you dumb ass:

1. I have no view as to whether Lundy is Guilty or innocent. But what if you were in Lundy’s position for something that YOU believed to be untrue…. ???
2. I have no view as to whether Watson is guilty or innocent
3. Until the Privy Council issued its denunciation of our system, I took no interest in, nor developed any view, on Teina Pora.
4. I did take a close interest in the Thomas case because one the Commissioners (Peter Gordon) told me details that made my hair stand on end. He did so after they had made their findings and were considering the matter of compensation.
5. Moreover, I did also take note when Rob Muldoon related to me his “non” discussion with McGregor J (retd).
6. I did fight, in , my own small way, to help Banksie when he was unjustly found guilty by the very questionable Wylie J. And the C o A backed Banks, costing Mike Heron his immediate chance of a Judicial appointment.
7 I do support the formation and proper resourcing of a Criminal Cases Review Commission.
8. I did support the quest by David Bain for proper compensation, and in view of the recent HC (CoA?) decision on Pora …… well, best to put that to bed.

NOW dickhead Chucky, or the medieval William of Ockham, or the Lignocaine Kid pilot, or whatever you are tonight, if that makes me a crim hugger…tough shit. So eat that and die, painfully, you germ ridden toerag.
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December 11, 2017 8:53pm
- nasska
  
  …..”6. I did fight, in , my own small way, to help Banksie when he was unjustly found guilty by the very questionable Wylie J. And the C o A backed Banks, costing Mike Heron his immediate chance of a Judicial appointment.”…..
  
  An accomplishment to be proud of …..not. You aided a scum, pontificating, religious liar who denounced all “unChristian” practises on air & to all.
  
  Then your mate was exposed in sworn court tabled documents as one who did everything in his power to cause his then root to abort his baby who she was carrying, including supplying drugs to do the job. Then he denied paternity.
  
  Strange company you support. The saying about dogs & fleas comes to mind.
  
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  December 11, 2017 9:20pm
  - nasska
    
    And in case you’re in denial about the “great self made man” //:
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11915586
    
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    December 11, 2017 9:31pm
  - flipper
    
    It seems to me that you have
    a. Have no analytical ability.
    b. Have insufficient intelligence to enable you to do more than parrot left wing slogans
    c. Have not read the decision of the Court of Appeal on the duplicitous Crown actions against J Banks
    d. Are NOT interested in honest justice,
    and
    e. Cannot tell the difference between a paternity scam, made years and years after an alleged event – you know, like all the sexual assault claims in the US after 20/30/40 years – and something made now.
    
    Anyway, you do sound rather like the non rate paying Pennydimwitch. Are you co-habituating with it? Or is it with one of those bi-sexual redmelon/toothfairy Banks hating types ?
    
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    December 12, 2017 7:38am
rightoverlabour

Banana Republic Roads, but remember its speed that kills…..

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99732207/highway-meltdown-the-bitumen-is-bleeding

If they went for the more expensive option 1st time around we wouldn’t be resealing every 2 months…

Roads don’t melt in Australia, nor in South Africa.
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Manolo

Peace above all, says this Muslim:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5167317/Explosion-reported-NYC-Port-Authority-bus-terminal.html

A Bangladeshi national in his 20s has been taken into custody with serious injuries after a pipe bomb he was carrying malfunctioned and exploded prematurely inside a Midtown Manhattan subway station Monday morning.
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