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Captain Mainwaring

I tried to watch something on TV1 at 7 last night about a young couple shifting from Auckland to Morrinsville (Cindy’s home town).
I thought it would be quite an interesting story when all the details came out but then the narrator lapsed into talking Maori and that was the end of that.
WTF is going on in TVNZ? Don’t they want us to watch their programmes?
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December 10, 2017 8:56am
- pdm
  
  The narrator was Labour MP and failed weather manr Tamati Coffey.
  
  We have been changing channels very quickly on Saturdays at 7pm.
  
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  December 10, 2017 8:58am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Thanks, that explains it, I didn’t even recognise the idiot.
    
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    December 10, 2017 9:01am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Was he not holding an umbrella?
      
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      December 10, 2017 9:21am
  - Harkman
    
    This is a complete scam. TVNZ has a job for a current Labour MP and they helped fund his campaign. Why has nobody been reprimanded for this?
    
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    December 10, 2017 10:43am
  - flipper
    
    Bullshit is bullshit no matter how it is dressed.
    That should be no surprise since Coffee is yet another poofie TVNZ presenter (since followed by Tame, Matti wotshisname, and the clutch of closets).
    Stay on Sky old chap.
    6-6.15; 6.42- 6.50 on One and Three gives their pejorative view of local news, but OK on sport. Their coverage of international events is via the left wing red spectacles of BBC, ABC, NBC and CBS. Waste of time so …… Stay with Sky.
    
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    December 10, 2017 12:12pm
- holysheet
  
  Ask your friendly race confuser Damd Devoid. She will tell you it’s all about the feelz you are supposed to get from a stoneage language.
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:00am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Virtue-signalling about the Maori language achieves nothing and gives us another reason not to watch – eventually it will help cost jobs. It’s only a matter of time until state-sponsored TV journalist SJW activism is a thing of the past and all the nouveau te Reo talkers are on the dole.
  
  Can’t come soon enough. First the papers will amalgamate to stay financially viable, then they’ll disappear because who wants 16th Century technology when there is the internet. Then with all content available via online platforms the need for costly and unprofitable TV services will diminish rapidly until there is no point having them.
  
  The shriller and more dishonest the least trusted profession gets, the more certain is their overdue demise. For goodness sake, they can’t even report honestly that journalism is the least trusted profession…..
  
  Trust and confidence in members of Parliament has increased, but in the public mind MPs are still second-to-bottom of a list of 10 types of jobs and organisations.
  
  MPs rank slightly ahead of journalists, the least-trusted group
  
  Which makes me think there is a really good reason that the MSM are covering for Taxcinda! Her staggering level of dishonesty might help lift journalists off the bottom of the list and put MPs back as the least trusted profession!
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:07am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Who will provide local news content when media have died?
    
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    December 10, 2017 9:40am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      “eventually it will help cost jobs.” Will it though? How is state-sponsored media use measured, and do the measures have any effect on funding and jobs?
      
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      December 10, 2017 9:51am
    - KiWombat
      
      Suppose we will have to resort to KiwiBlog !
      
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      December 10, 2017 11:45am
- thedavincimode
  
  You should have watched Asterix – Mansion of the Gods on Maori TV. All about the destruction wrought by colonialism, capitalism and urbanisation on the indigenous tribes. The only significant difference in terms of the parallels MTV was no doubt seeking to draw was that Getafix manufactures his magic potion that makes the locals superhuman and indestructible in limited quantities, whereas in NZ, the same magic potion is manufactured in commercial quantities by Lion Breweries.
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:16am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Such a wonderful lifestyle lost! I’ve been thinking a lot about the long quote from an early book on Maori slavery that someone recently posted here. It was truly horrific.
    
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    December 10, 2017 9:53am
  - Harkman
    
    Getafix is state sponsored doping, Russia tried copying it and got banned.
    
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    December 10, 2017 10:46am
    - realityczech
      
      That is not why Russia was banned. If that were the case the first country banned would be Yanks.
      
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      December 10, 2017 10:53am
      - Harkman
        
        America doesn’t have state sponsored doping. In America lots of individuals are doping on their own accord. It is so easy to get PEDs from Mexico. In America USADA went after the high profile superstars Lance Armstrong, Marion Jones, Tyler Hamilton, Justin Gatlin, Tyson Gay, and Barry Bonds. In Russia the superstars are sheltered by the state. Heck, Marion Jones and Victor Conte went to jail.
        
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        December 10, 2017 11:13am
      - realityczech
        
        No the state pays qualified doctors to manage the US doping regime. Numerous top athletes have come out about it. Russia was not banned for doping.
        
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        December 10, 2017 1:18pm
    - flipper
      
      Bollocks Harkie …
      The Soviets followed on (where Hitler started sotto voce, but forgot about Owens and Lovelock et al) left off. The Sovs produced the Press sisters, Kuts and many, many more in all disciplines.
      A Brundage was formally told (already knew), but refused to act because it threatened “my games’. The self perpetuating oligarchy (it remains so today) was more concerned over “amateurism”.
      
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      December 10, 2017 12:27pm
  - jims_whare
    
    Don’t forget the final ingredient – the magic white powder that comes in little plastic bags.
    
    This completes the effect of the magic potion – makes the users superhuman when dealing to females and little children.
    
    Also gives courage to the user to raid small businesses and people’s homes and allows the user to subsequently have an indulgent lifestyle without working.
    
    Yes wonderful substances indeed.
    
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    December 10, 2017 1:45pm
- VicParking
  
  I tried watching TV1 last night….
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:41am
  - Harkman
    
    Last night, One News looked like a Cold War official Iron Curtain, Marxist spinning, propaganda piece. Whoever is the One News weekend editor is extremely left-wing.
    
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    December 10, 2017 10:52am
    - KevOB
      
      Saved us watching.
      
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      December 10, 2017 1:05pm
- jcuk
  
  I gave TV away some years ago so it doesn’t bother me but I sympathize with those still addicted.
  
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  December 10, 2017 10:02am
- Luke Piewalker
  
  Please stop saying Cindy is from Morrinsville. Its embarrassing for Morrinsville
  
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  December 10, 2017 2:36pm
  - kaykaybee
    
    Think she’s really from Murupara
    
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    December 10, 2017 5:47pm
    - calendar girl
      
      No, she lived at Murupara for a period when her policeman father did a stint there for a few years (what did he do to deserve that?) Morrinsville is her ‘home town’.
      
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      December 10, 2017 7:39pm
  - ztev
    
    Would you prefer Dipton?
    He was the Hatiatai national party branch chair yet he said he was from Dipton.!
    
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    December 10, 2017 5:47pm
waikatogirl

Morning, and Merry Christmas ?
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December 10, 2017 8:56am
- nasska
  
  Breaking News in the music world: Jacinda Ardern and the Socialist Snowflakes are to release a seasonal single…….
  
  …….I’m Dreaming of a Red Christmas.
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:01am
  - Simon
    
    Christmas is offensive.
    
    Labo is dreaming of increasing tractor production and higher turnip yields
    
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    December 10, 2017 9:17am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Merry Christmas one and all.
  
  Enjoy the time with your families as we take time out of our busy lives to remember the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ.
  
  Make sure to remind the SJW in your life thay this is why the nation takes a day off on December 25th.
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:23am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Exactly. I’m constantly amazed at the atheists who, for them, Christmas is the annual boozefests of all boozefests. Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy a glass or two of Champagne on the day. Christmas for me is a long tradition I just love. The tree is decorated and looks fabulous, the grandies are getting excited, the menu is being drawn up and it’s a lovely day of families coming together to celebrate. I love to go to the Xmas Eve church service. The music is beautiful. I’m a bit of a romantic and not ashamed to admit it.
    
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    December 10, 2017 9:33am
    - VicParking
      
      Xmas is great. There is more in the Rubbish bins to scounge for or our Xmas+1 dinner. Wrapping paper is warmer than newspaper and the boxing day P sales have started. Might even go round to check Jancinda’s bin, there might be a cast out dress or two as now she is being clothed by Vogue.
      
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      December 10, 2017 9:47am
    - GazzaW
      
      Onyer KKKKatee. Christmas is one of the traditions upon which our country was built and I won’t see it threatened or denigrated be it by imported alien cultures or homegrown atheists. They can practise the tolerance that they expect from everyone else and leave this very special time to us and our families.
      
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      December 10, 2017 9:59am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Katee, there are others. I’m an atheist and know many other atheists who greatly enjoy and contribute to the beauties of Christian culture, such as the music. None that I know of drink much. I grew up in an atheist household but we still celebrated the beautiful holy evening, sang Christmas carols, had a Christmas tree and Advent chimes. These things are a mixture of European winter celebrations and Christianity.
      
      Also, I was brought up to understand and try and live by many of the concepts Jesus provided (the golden rule for instance). One doesn’t have to believe every aspect of a religion to appreciate its ethics.
      
      And I must also point out, as I always do but religious people don’t seem to understand: one can’t force oneself to believe. One either believes or one doesn’t: it can’t be forced.
      
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      December 10, 2017 10:05am
      - Nukuleka
        
        But why on earth would so many people downtick Ead and Katee’s posts? Too many Scrooges trolling KB on this gorgeous Sunday morning.
        
        Christmas is just that- CHRISTmas!
        
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        December 10, 2017 10:34am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Nukuleka
        
        But why on earth would so many people downtick Ead…posts?
        
        In EAD’s case they would be right to. Because, sure enough, a few posts later the real intent of his mention of Xmas emerges:
        
        It’s only this year that I realised the state supported hate of all things Jesus Christ by the Jews.
        
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        December 10, 2017 12:38pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Well said CL. I love Christmas and all the traditions. As you say, if you don’t believe the story it shouldn’t mean you can’t enjoy the traditions. That in itself would be very unChristian. ?
        Christmas is as Kiwi as pavlova.
        
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        December 10, 2017 2:05pm
  - realityczech
    
    “the birth of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
    
    That is anti Semitic for a start EAD.
    
    [TRIGGER WARNING] Perhaps Brittle can stop by after polishing his Uzi and tell us how your Jesus is regarded by the chosen ones. In the mean time you can look it up for yourself.
    
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    December 10, 2017 10:42am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      @ RealityCzech,
      
      It’s only this year that I realised the state supported hate of all things Jesus Christ by the Jews. It was this article here that led me down this garden path and how the only criteria that can stop a racially pure Jew emigrating to Israel is if he believes that Jesus Christ was the son of God:
      
      https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/01/the-hateful-whispers-that-make-me-want-to-move-from-london-to-tel-aviv/
      
      Here is the little excerpt detailing the authors move from London to tel Aviv:
      
      All it takes is some form-filling, a £50 fee, passport photos, a birth certificate and evidence that I’m Jewish. Membership of a synagogue will do, but I don’t have that. There was some rabbinical detective work: the names on my birth certificate were cross-matched to the names on my parents’ ketubah, their marriage contract. The rabbi writes a short letter and you have the proof. At the first meeting my immigration officer, Moran, asked if I’m Messianic. I am not. It would be an immovable obstacle if I were, it turns out. The whole business can be done in six weeks, if you’re more prepared and organised than I am.
      
      I’ve started the process. I’ve jumped into the water and the current is pulling me away from London to Tel Aviv. The water is warm. I’m letting it happen.
      
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      December 10, 2017 11:00am
      - realityczech
        
        Religious Jews believe Jesus was a sorcerer born of a harlot and is boiling in semen and shit in hell. Their non-belief is not passive.
        
        Personally I think you are all crazy, but I do not support the sort of religious persecution and hate openly displayed in Israel.
        
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        December 10, 2017 11:05am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        This was from the news last month and made headlines when this racially pure Jew is being kicked out of Israel because detectives discovered she was baptized at an infant:
        
        http://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/Swedish-daughter-of-Holocaust-survivor-faces-deportation-from-Israel-514734
        
        The Swedish daughter of a Holocaust survivor faces deportation from Israel next week, based on claims that she was baptized as a baby and has ties to a messianic organization.
        
        Contrast this strict stance on who is/isn’t allowed in Israel vs. what the Jew preaches in Goyim countires – even a temporary Muslim ban is cause for eternal outrage❗
        
        https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-condemns-executive-order-on-immigration-as-another-muslim-ban
        
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        December 10, 2017 11:06am
      - realityczech
        
        ‘Modesty Patrol lynched me’
        
        Elderly Jerusalem woman brutalized by thugs who evidently thought she was a missionary; police source: Assailants wanted to send a message.
        
        A 70-year-old ultra-Orthodox woman found herself the target of a brutal religious hate crime on Monday night, when four thugs broke into her home and beat her up before leaving her handcuffed and bleeding.
        
        “They were sent by the Modesty Patrol,” the woman, S., told Yedioth Ahronoth. “They told me, ‘You are destroying the neighborhood with you missionary teachings.”
        
        The thugs hit her repeatedly with a metal rod, breaking her right hand, crushing her left leg and injuring her face. They used their cell phones to document the attack, evidently to report back to those who sent them.
        
        Jerusalem police investigators confirmed that the attack was religiously-motivated.
        
        https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4196645,00.html
        
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        December 10, 2017 11:22am
    - Brito
      
      C’mon rc, you’re fishing.
      
      We go into hiding at this time of year and count money and plan world domination and…
      
      By the way,
      
      Fuck me!!!
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/99579343/guy-williams-governmentchanging-metiria-turei-is-my-kiwi-of-the-year
      
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      December 10, 2017 2:48pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle don’t get your side locks in a twist, I am sure you are not at all modest yourself and tend to use a standard issue Uzi rather than a metal bar.
        
        Perhaps you can use it on the morons who think that manipulative fraudster should be NZ’er of the year ! She should have a court date by now.
        
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        December 10, 2017 3:11pm
      - Brito
        
        Praying at the wall as we speak. Nasty fraudsters stealing money…worst crime ever.
        
        Anyway, Merry Xmas to all you Christian types, may the Master of the Universe forgive you, but it ain’t likely.
        
        RC I’m warming towards your sarcasm and wit. Currently polishing my Uzi frantically, while looking at my neighbours wife. Not coverting her or his ass, but she still makes me want to polish.
        
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        December 10, 2017 3:18pm
      - realityczech
        
        Bibi is a bit more direct about the Christians. Normally I would not post this as I don’t like to upset theists, but they are probably all at mass with their ~~pedophile~~ priest now anyway.
        
        “My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.”
        
        Benjamin “Bibi” Netanyahu
        
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        December 10, 2017 3:21pm
      - realityczech
        
        Rare photo of Brittle after an engagement with EAD on KB 🙂
        
        http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01659/bleeding-mouth_1659287i.jpg
        
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        December 10, 2017 4:01pm
      - Brito
        
        I’ll let Rowan have the last word here.
        
        2min 16sec in.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91DSNL1BEeY
        
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        December 10, 2017 4:02pm
      - Brito
        
        Actually here’s a better photo! We we’re coming back from a night out clubbing.
        
        https://forward.com/news/israel/170768/israel-has-fewer-guns-fewer-deaths-than-us/
        
        That’s me with the uzi…if you’re confused.
        
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        December 10, 2017 4:13pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle did you notice the unusual looking Tefillah he was wearing ?
        
        Brittle getting ready for an engagement on KB
        
        http://www.jmgads.com/vjsite/lists/idf/idf1.jpg
        
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        December 10, 2017 4:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        No. Here is a better photo.
        
        https://www.maxim.com/.image/t_share/MTQzOTczOTUyMzcxMzAzNTg0/nintchdbpict000286108563111jpg.jpg
        
        We better stop this or stupidboy will be around demanding shots of preteen Muslim girls for his collection 🙂
        
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        December 10, 2017 4:17pm
- VicParking
  
  Good morning Waikato girl. Any fresh or clean water left in Wai cat O.
  
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  December 10, 2017 10:08am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Desperately need rain Vic. Been a month of hot, dry weather with only 1 night of rain. The Mighty Waikato has dropped significantly but was previously well ‘flushed’ with all the rain we’ve had over winter. ?
    
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    December 10, 2017 2:11pm
Viking2

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/99625625/construction-recruitment-campaign-woos-over-1300-applicants

An army of more than 13,000 professionals have applied for construction jobs in New Zealand, following an unprecedented global recruitment campaign.

LookSeeBuild NZ was backed by more than 20 of the country’s leading building firms to fill a skill shortage of engineers, surveyors, project managers and other construction professionals.

It’s estimated that New Zealand needs another 56,000 construction workers, including 2200 high-end specialists, to complete the $125 billion of instruction work that lies ahead over the next 10 years.

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Keep it up.
We need more immigrants to build houses for immigrants and to fix our broken buildings.
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Gunna keep my rentals and add some more.

Off to watch Dotard Spencer of the RBNZ talk about his illegal appointment.

Pole on Q+A right now.
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December 10, 2017 9:03am
- Simon
  
  Comrades! Warning if you own rental property you are contributing to creating inequality in society!
  
  You will be punished through taxation and regulation which will create a more just and civil society.
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:23am
- Southern Raider
  
  I’m comfused
  
  One policy says 10,000 extra homes, another says slash immigration.
  
  Which one is correct
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:52am
  - VicParking
    
    Both.. remember they are Policy/Aspirations not reality.
    
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    December 10, 2017 10:12am
    - flipper
      
      “….. Both.. remember they are Policy/Aspirations not reality. …….”
      
      Mnnnn … I do not recall “aspiration” being mixed in with the perfidious mob’s policy statements.
      
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      December 10, 2017 12:37pm
      - ztev
        
        They werent, ‘aspirations’ were a national party election device only.
        
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        December 10, 2017 5:49pm
sbk

DOh!…Doh!…Doh!…and the Homer award for 2017 goes to FNN…oops,i meant CNN.

Seriously…this obsession of the MSM(worldwide) to take down DT,is placing us all equally at risk…more so?…than anything DT could possibly and legally do e.g.ABC/ Rose caused massive losses on the markets.
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December 10, 2017 9:03am
- backster
  
  Because he is the only bulwark against Globalisation, Global Warming scams, and Deep State Power. God Bless Him.
  
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  December 10, 2017 10:27am
waikatogirl

Colmar Brunton Poll out. CB have moved to 50/50% calling landlines and mobile phones to be more inclusive.
No traditional post-election bounce received by the CoL.

National 46%
Labour 39%
Greens 7%
NZF 5% down 2
Top 1%
Maori 1%
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December 10, 2017 9:03am
- Harkman
  
  The key is if Winston 1st is below 5% by the next election (most likely the case) it is National vs Labour + Greens. Epsom could decide the next election. Ha!
  
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  December 10, 2017 10:57am
Paulus Gnome

Thanks WG and the same with your simple and heartfelt salutation. I am waiting with some small trepidation that your good cheer will invoke a Lizzie column on how Christmas is a Christian privilege and she now identifies as a muslim.

I won’t bother reading the piece in keeping with all her writings but will get the gist of her intemperate, ill considered and immature outpouring here ?
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December 10, 2017 9:05am
- waikatogirl
  
  Another beautiful day in the Waikato PG. Christmas festivities are in the air, the CoL are floundering and the cupboard is well stocked with popcorn.
  
  Have a great day with some Christmas cheer wherever you reside.
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:10am
Nostalgia-NZ

Bill is not moaning: https://nz.news.yahoo.com/nats-positive-economy-view-english-000601753.html
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December 10, 2017 9:09am
Callum

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11956076
Looks like Ron Mark has been a very naught boy.
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December 10, 2017 9:15am
- holysheet
  
  Like all little shits, this prick shows his contempt. Baldy is more proud of his shit hole medals than his kiwi ones.
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:27am
- niggly
  
  Lol in the picture it looks like Ron Mark has more medals than the Chief of Defence Force himself!
  
  What was Ron Mark thinking? Oh that’s right, just thinking normally as usual!
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:56am
  - VicParking
    
    For what I can see its eight all. The difference being the Chief of defence got his presented by the GG, Ron got his presented by a man dressed in a tea towel with eight wives and forty goats.
    
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    December 10, 2017 10:02am
    - ztev
      
      What medal did the Chief of Defence get presented by the GG?
      
      You wouldnt know a Glade plugin from campaign star
      
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      December 10, 2017 5:50pm
- Manolo
  
  Was the short guy ordered by Winston to wear them?
  
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  December 10, 2017 10:12am
- Piniwi
  
  Cheers Callum. More notable is he is not only out of step but one step behind as well to make him look taller. His bald head still outshines his medal cluster.
  
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  December 10, 2017 5:22pm
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Brendan Dassey has been kept in jail by a 4 to 3 decision. At least two of the dissenting judges, including the chief appeal judge, are women, and describe a profound miscarriage of justice.

It is not impossible we face a similar result in the Lundy appeal. I hope New Zealand can finally rise above the obsessive desire by old white men to leave jury verdicts undisturbed.
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December 10, 2017 9:20am
- Jack5
  
  Enough money’s been wasted on Lundy.
  
  In a rational society he would probably have been hanged. If not for murder, for his lousy acting at the funeral of his victims – his daughter and his wife.
  
  Talking about judges, Whale has a swipe at one today.
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/12/dud-judge-overturns-good-judges-decision/
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:52am
  - VicParking
    
    This is the problem we have when we did away with capital punishment. The guilty sit in prison until the witnesses memory have fadeed, science has moved so that a new hair brained idea is in vogue and the jury and judges have become Snowflakes. Then you scream wrongful conviction.
    
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    December 10, 2017 9:57am
  - realityczech
    
    Jacksie I read the link. The man was pulled over for the hideous crime of not wearing a seat belt !
    
    The pigs tried to bust him for child neglect when the terrified man ran from the police as he had a kid in the car.
    
    It was completely over the top and the pigs responsible should be sacked.
    
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    December 10, 2017 10:28am
    - Inandout
      
      Snowflake to the bitter end, you loser.
      
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      December 10, 2017 10:59am
  - flipper
    
    Kack5 ….
    You might like to think about what you are writing and ask if you would feel the same if it were you or one of your rellies.
    
    BTW … I have no view on Lundy one way or the other. But shit happens in most every nation – avoidable suit.
    
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    December 10, 2017 12:49pm
    - Jack5
      
      And what, Flapper, if the victims, the wife and daughter, were your relatives?
      
      Capital punishment is a valid subject for discussion. I think surveys indicate around 30 per cent of the population support it.
      
      “Shit happens”? Yep murder happens, and punishment happens, too. Murderers choose to murder. Why waste sympathy on them? Keep that for those who suffer in the chaos murderers create.
      
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      December 10, 2017 2:14pm
      - Brito
        
        So…that means 70% don’t support it. Is that right or have I missed something really obvious here?
        
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        December 10, 2017 4:05pm
      - Jack5
        
        Whoops! I said 30% in favour. This, about NZ is from the Death Penalty Information Centre, presumably a site opposed to the death penalty (note its 13 years ago) states 28% in favour. Opinions will vary with recent crimes. Any terrorist atrocity in NZ, for example, might swing more people in favour of the death penalty (excuse the pun):
        
        A poll by the One News Network and Colmar Brunton Polls showed that of 1,000 New Zealanders, only 28% were in favor of reinstituting the death penalty, against 67% who did not want the practice resumed. 58% of respondents wanted parole laws made more strict, and 28% wanted parole abolished altogether. Also addressed was the use of DNA testing, which 58% of those asked wanted the practice made mandatory. (Otago Daily Times, New Zealand, July 15, 2004)
        
        Hone Harawira has apparently supported the death penalty for Chinese drug importers. Only case I know of a race stipulation.
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/opinion/94084230/call-for-death-penalty-for-p-dealers-deserves-consideration
        
        NZ Poll:
        
        https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/international-polls-and-studies-0
        
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        December 10, 2017 4:47pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jacksie, you must have an alarming and worrying amount of faith in authority if you support the death penalty.
        
        It is barbaric and should not be contemplated.
        
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        December 10, 2017 5:03pm
Jack5

The Hooerald has promoted former Prime Minister Jenny Shipley.

In a feminist report today it labels her chairman of the world’s fourth biggest bank, China Construction Bank. In fact, Shipley is a director of its comparatively tiny NZ subsidiary, China Construction Bank (New Zealand) Ltd.

China Construction Bank gained a licence to operate in New Zealand in 2014.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11954834
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December 10, 2017 9:26am
- VicParking
  
  This sits along side their article that Fake News has hit NZ. How ironic.
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:53am
Jack5

What is the penalty envisaged when it’s suggested prison’s too good?

Phil Shiner, law professor, must rank as one of the most hated men in Britain. Shiner was struck off the roll of solicitors because of dishonesty when drumming up cases against British soldiers who had served in Iraq.

Britain’s Defence Minister, Gavin Williamson said prison is too good for Shiner, as Williamson prepares to oppose any prosecution of British ex-servicemen by the International Criminal Court in the Hague.

Fatou Bensouda is now chief prosecutor for the International Criminal Court. She is from the Gambia, a former British colony in West Africa that until 2016 endured 22 years of authoritarian rule and civil rights abuses.

Besouda has said, based on material supplied by the disgraced Shiner and his firm, that there is a “reasonable basis” to believe soldiers had committed war crimes against detainees in Iraq.

She is also pressing to have pre-prosecuition inquiries into alleged war crimes in Afghanistan, Ukraine and a number of African countries.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5161091/Prison-good-Iraq-inquiry-lawyer-Defence-Secretary.html
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December 10, 2017 9:34am
- Jack5
  
  Could New Zealanders be included in any hounding of coalition troops in Afghanistan?
  
  Bensouda could kill the ICC if she gets up the noses of enough countries: the UK, America and those in the Afghanistan coalition, Russia, a swag of African nations.
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:59am
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    By “hounding”, you mean holding these criminals to account….
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1104/S00150/has-gov-general-designate-jerry-mateparae-misled-the-nation.htm
    
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    December 10, 2017 10:12am
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      Two supporters of killing little Afghan girls and beating up helpless captives in sacks have registered their presence with us. Is Prince “Shepherd Killer” Harry signed in to Kiwiblog today?
      
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      December 10, 2017 10:21am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I’d have Sir Jerry in my corner ahead of you any day of the week Morrissey.
      
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      December 10, 2017 10:52am
      - Jack5
        
        Keeping Stock, I’m with you there.
        
        Morrissey Breen links to a six-year-old report that puts the boot into our SAS.
        
        Can we infer that Morrissey supports the Taliban regime, with its brutality, shutting girls out of schools and whipping women who accidentally revealed an ankle. (I bet Morrissey doesn’t think he does.)
        
        Who is to blame when fighting becomes dirty between insurgents on one side and regular forces on the other? When the regulars’ side is a signatory to the Geneva Convention and the insurgents are not? When the regular forces are there, at least purportedly, partly for humanitarian reasons.
        
        What were NZ troops supposed to do with prisoners when NZ didn’t run a detention camp in Afghanistan?
        
        For different reasons, I don’t think NZ should be in Aghanistan either. It would be easier and far cheaper, as Britain did after three times invading it, to buy the country off. You will get kicked in the back by your own country’s Leftists if you try to help the women and children of Afghanistan. If the loathsome Phil Shiner hadn’t been outed, by now he would be hounding British veterans of Afghanistan.
        
        To adapt what Bismarck said of the Balkans: Afghanistan isn’t worth the bones of a single ~~Pomeranian~~ New Zealand grenadier.
        
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        December 10, 2017 11:17am
  - niggly
    
    Just what Labour doesn’t want now – maintaining the status quo, heads down, trying to run a government but with the Greens nipping at its heels with their foreign affairs spokesperson Golriz Ghahraman demanding an inquiry (no doubt).
    
    H2 will try and bury it, being a sideshow distraction … after all it all happened on her (Labour’s) watch under H1 – can’t have that clouding the legacy … nothing to see here, move on (pesky Greens)!
    
    [At least it’s not National in government, with the MSM, Labour, Greens (and the two-faced disloyal NZF) all calling for an inquiry]!
    
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    December 10, 2017 10:18am
thedavincimode

Onto more important matters.

Santner at all, let alone at 6???? If he’d fallen away any more when he went out he would have been outside the ground.

In the good old days, test quality batsmen who were handy with the ball were regarded as all-rounders, as were test bowlers who were handy with the bat. In either case, they made the test team on the strength of their core competency. Under Hesson’s new world order, it seems that there is a place for an all-rounder who is a specialist in neither and not much chop to boot.
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December 10, 2017 9:51am
Steve (North Shore)

Got a spare 73 minutes? Some of the best music in the World. Was banned on YouTube, wonder why?
https://vimeo.com/194220676
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December 10, 2017 9:57am
Suze Wainwright

I’m interested in the impact of honeymoon effects with new governments. I remember being in Australia when the marvellously positive, exciting and energised Kevin Rudd Labour Party swept to power (the magic of Kevin 07) – supposedly voted in by Aussies who had simply ‘had enough’ of the boring, stale (yet economically competent and effective) LNP Govt.
It all started well for Kevin. He said ‘Sorry’ to their nation’s indigenous people! All the middle class, middle-aged, chardonnay-sipping, public servant-type women I encountered (quite numerous) absolutely gushed over him. “What a lovely, lovely man; I really do believe that real change is now occurring in this country” I heard on several occasions.
Yeah, anyway…
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December 10, 2017 9:58am
DifferentPerspective

Outrage at Trump recognising Jerusalem as capital of Israel

Just a quick reminder about the lying fuckers that went before Trump.

Surely the world is insane when a President is in so much trouble for keeping his word! (Unlike all the swamp dwellers who preceded him)
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December 10, 2017 10:00am
Manolo

What’s next for the discredited CNN?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/08/7-times-cnn-botched-the-news-in-2017/
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December 10, 2017 10:09am
- tom hunter
  
  Had to chuckle at this single graphic of CNN “news” on the topic of “Paid Family Leave”, ordered by date.
  
  For those who don’t want to click, the CNN headlines are as follows (all 2017):
  
  April 4: Everyone should have a shot at paid family leave
  
  May 22: Trump’s budget to include paid family leave
  
  May 30: How paid family leave hurts woman.
  🙂
  
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  December 10, 2017 10:33am
Harkman

So yesterday, on this tablet that I use Bloomberg pointed out (via newsflash) that CNN came out with a story that Don Trump Jnr was colluding with Wikileaks blah, blah, blah. Then they had to retract the story. Anyhow President Trump was in Florida for a rally and naturally Fox had complete coverage of it so I turned over to CNN to see them with their tails between their legs. Not even covering it, because they were in the middle-East covering protests over Trump’s Jerusalem decision and all the violence was “entirely his fault.” Yes, so the middle-East was a entirely peaceful until Trump’s decision, whatever. The BBC was the same. So let’s look at this, Israel’s President, Prime Minister, Parliament and most government agencies are based in Jerusalem so it is rude to recognise this basic fact. Simply these Palestinians and nearby Muslims are the same as the Nazis, antisemitic genocidalists. Yet the CNN and BBC etc were all too keen to call all Trump supporters neo-Nazis after Charlottesville. Bloody hypocrites. Fake News.
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December 10, 2017 10:38am
- realityczech
  
  “covering protests over Trump’s Jerusalem decision and all the violence was “entirely his fault.” ”
  
  Yes Trump is relocating an office building so rioting and violence in the region is all his fault LOL 🙂
  
  Funny thing is the fake news networks also tell us he is an anti-Semite !
  
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  December 10, 2017 11:07am
realityczech

What do you call 50 Catholic Priests in a room ? – A crime scene.

“One in 50 priests is a paedophile: Pope Francis says child abuse is ‘leprosy’ infecting the Catholic Church”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690575/Pope-Francis-admits-two-cent-Roman-Catholic-priests-paedophiles-interview-Italian-newspaper.html
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December 10, 2017 10:48am
Harkman

Grant Spencer is a hack and Corin Dann is a tool. That interview this morning was a complete joke.
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December 10, 2017 11:01am
- Harkman
  
  Lisa Owen is the World’s Worst Interviewer. She must have a microscopic sized brain.
  
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  December 10, 2017 11:06am
  - Viking2
    
    Looks and acts like a miserable scrouge.
    
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    December 10, 2017 2:52pm
  - Morrissey
    
    I agree that Lisa Owen is hopeless. But the WORST? Have you ever seen Mike Hosking interview someone? And Duncan “Vyshinsky” Garner is possibly the world’s stupidest AND most obnoxious T.V. interviewer. He hasn’t even got the guts to carry out his orders with a modicum of conviction….
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/12/general_debate_2_december_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2090955
    
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    December 10, 2017 4:41pm
    - Morrissey
      
      Duncan Garner has just downticked my assessment of his abilities.
      
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      December 10, 2017 4:47pm
      - Lance
        
        No, people down tick you because you are a cock
        
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        December 10, 2017 4:59pm
Morrissey

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Hands up everyone who detests NewstalkZB.
Well, there was one bit of good news just before noon on Monday.
NewstalkZB, Monday 4 December 2017

During this show, the cranky Trump-worshipper and science-denier Leighton Smith spends much of his time insisting that the Groper in Chief in Washington is the target of a conspiracy, and a victim of fake news rather than a perpetrator of it.

LEIGHTON SMITH: …. But when you’re talking about the um, the most powerful position in the world, AND it still is, AND it will continue to be for the moment, ahhhmmm, by the way on that point there’s an ANNOUNCEMENT I need to make, ahhhmmm, just a small one in a MINUTE. Ahhhhhm…[extended pause]… THEN, is of interest to ANYBODY who cares about what happens in the world….

…..

My program will come to an eeennnnd…SOON. But not as soon as SOME would HOPE!

….

And this is the sort of thing that CNN, NBC, C—, uuummmm, and ABC have been doing for soooommme… considerable time. Did I miss anybody out? [extended intake of breath] Creating false illusions, reporting things as fact that aren’t, and every time that someth—, that TRUMP calls it fake news, the chances are he’s more correct than otherwise.

Shortly after, this stream of muddled semi-cosciousness is interrupted by a caller, who wants to speak to the great thinker about a leader a little closer to home….

CALLER: I just wonder why New Zealand’s worrying its provincial head about something that’s out of our control, when we have the issue with John Key last week, um, lying about the mass surveillance program, and that got no commentary at all.

LEIGHTON SMITH: Un— about WHAT? Program, WHAT?

CALLER: The mass—-

BEEEP. Burr, Burr…

LEIGHTON SMITH: Arrrggghh. Thanks for nothing. Ahhhm, I had NO IDEA what he was talking about. And I didn’t hang up on him, he went….

Now it’s strange that Leighton Smith should be unaware of that scoop in the Herald last week by its investigative reporter David Fisher, suggesting John Key might have misled New Zealanders in 2014 about his government’s mass surveillance plans. As Leighton Smith went on to say later in his show that day, he works “shoulder to shoulder” with the folks at the Herald and NewstalkZB these days….

LEIGHTON SMITH: Ahhh, in this new building that we’ve now been in for two years, it has actually been a completely different atmosphere. Working in the same environment as people from the Herald, aaahhhhmmm, has been an INTERESTING experience, uh, with some ups and some downs.

And now, you ask, what was this “good news just before noon”? At the end of this show, Smith for once actually said something positive: he announced he’s leaving in one year’s time.

You can put your hands down now.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018624577/making-plans-for-leighton
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December 10, 2017 11:23am
Jack5

Morrissey, it’s a quiet day on General Debate.

Entertain us with the story about your contretemps with Google Groups, if you are indeed that same Morrissey.

And what is this Radio Transcripts you run? Is it a commercial service, that will provide stuff to anyone? Surely you don’t listen to radio for fun, or enlightenment, or perhaps to take your mind off toothache?
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December 10, 2017 11:35am
- Jack5
  
  These folk on the Net are saying you run more sock puppets than Kea, Morrissey.
  
  And that you follow ZB rather than Radio NZ’s Labour Programme? So you don’t speak Maori, then.
  
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  December 10, 2017 11:45am
- Morrissey
  
  Thanks for the invitation, Jack. I’ll certainly post up, in the next week or so, a few accounts of those famous contretemps you mention.
  
  Meantime, I must be away. Adieu, mon ami.
  
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  December 10, 2017 12:13pm
Victor Omega

Some excerpts from Winston Peter’s speech given at the 45th Anniversary of Diplomatic Relations Symposium, according to media reports. These comments are not recorded in the official text of his speech, perhaps unsurprisingly.

We should also remember this when we are making judgements about China – about freedom and their laws: that when you have hundreds of millions of people to be re-employed and relocated with the change of your economic structure, you have some massive, huge problems.

Is this what he means by “relocated”?: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_evictions_in_China

“Sometimes the West and commentators in the West should have a little more regard to that and the economic outcome for those people, rather than constantly harping on about the romance of ‘freedom’.”

Unromantic “freedom”: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China

He then says he has a quote from Janis Joplin, except he gets the words wrong. Oh and it’s not a Janis Joplin quote, its Kris Kristofferson from “Me and Bobby McGee”. But never mind that…

“In some ways the Chinese have a lot to teach us about uplifting everyone’s economic futures in their plans.”

Great. Apparently the Deputy PM thinks we have a lot to learn about freedom and economic future from Communist China. And “Janis Joplin”, only… not.

Report: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99542129/winston-peters-says-western-world-is-too-hard-on-china-over-human-rights-issues

Official text: https://www.beehive.govt.nz/speech/anniversary-diplomatic-relations-china
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December 10, 2017 11:43am
RF

Our Airhead princess reminds me of someone I recently saw on TV

Suddenly the penny dropped….. Sally Ridge. The same vacant expression, anorexic looks and the lust for publicity at any cost…
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December 10, 2017 12:20pm
stephieboy

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Another gem for the alt right and Trumpista Christmas Stocking or tree,

“You Can’t Spell America Without Me: The Really Tremendous Inside Story of My Fantastic First Year as President Donald J. Trump (A So-Called Parody “) ,

by Alec Baldwin (Author), Kurt Andersen (Author)

Political satire as deeper truth: Donald Trump’s presidential memoir, as recorded by two world-renowned Trump scholars, and experts on greatness generally

“I have the best words, beautiful words, as everybody has been talking and talking about for a long time. Also? The best sentences and, what do you call them, paragraphs. My previous books were great and sold extremely, unbelievably well–even the ones by dishonest, disgusting so-called journalists. But those writers didn’t understand Trump, because quite frankly they were major losers. People say if you want it done right you have to do it yourself, even when ‘it’ is a ‘memoir.’ So every word of this book was written by me, using a special advanced word processing system during the many, many nights I’ve been forced to stay alone in the White House–only me, just me, trust me, nobody helped. And it’s all 100% true, so true–people are already saying it may be the truest book ever published. Enjoy.”

Until Donald Trump publishes the ultimate account of his entire four or eight or one-and-a-half years in the White House, the definitive chronicle will be You Can’t Spell America Without Me: The Really Tremendous Inside Story of My Fantastic First Year As President. Trump was elected because he was the most frank presidential candidate in history, a man eager to tell the unvarnished truth about others’ flaws and tout his own amazing excellence. Now he levels his refreshingly compulsive, un-PC candor at his landslide election victory as well as his role as commander-in-chief and leader of the free world.

There are intimate, powerful, mind-boggling revelations on every page. You are there with him during his private encounters with world leaders, a few of whom he does not insult. You are there at the genius Oval Office strategy sessions with his advisers. You are there in his White House bedroom as he crafts the pre-dawn Twitter pronouncements that rock the world. And, of course, you are there on the golf course as Trump attempts to manage the burdens of his office.

President Trump explains each of the historic decisions that have already made America great again, and how he always triumphs over the fake news media. You’ll learn what he really thinks of his cabinet members and top aides not related to him, of the First Lady and the First Daughter and the additional three or four Trump children. Included at no extra charge is a lavish and exclusive portfolio of spectacular, historic and intimate color photographs of President Trump in private – inside the White House, inside Mar-a-Lago, at Trump Tower, and more.

You Can’t Spell America Without Me is presented by America’s foremost Trump scholar Kurt Andersen as well as America’s foremost mediocre Trump impersonator, Alec Baldwin.

You Can’t Spell America Without Me is the perfect holiday gift!

https://www.amazon.com/You-Cant-Spell-America-
Without/dp/0525521992/ref=pd_cp_14_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=NACJ27KP56EYJY1E1V0R
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December 10, 2017 12:32pm
- Fletch
  
  Baldwin is an a-hole.
  
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  December 10, 2017 1:42pm
- realityczech
  
  stupidboy, The great man has achieved more in a few months than the ignorant and puerile Obama did his entire time in office. Just goes to show it takes more than a good tan to run a country.
  
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  December 10, 2017 1:52pm
  - stephieboy
    
    realityczech,”.. achieved in a few months” ?
    
    Examples ?
    
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    December 10, 2017 1:55pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Examples ?
      
      Who’s a pretty Polly then?
      
      Short sentences to help you:
      Lazy.
      Use Google.
      Problem solved.
      No need to parrot “Examples?” all the time.
      
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      December 10, 2017 8:37pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Socialists the same everywhere:
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5163397/Tory-hating-Corbynista-MP-Laura-Pidock-buys-house.html#comments
      
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      December 11, 2017 12:16am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  How do you feel about the 100 million people socialist ideology killed in the 20th century Stephieboy?
  
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  December 10, 2017 3:30pm
  - realityczech
    
    Salacious, where did you get that figure ? It is closer to 200 and is still climbing !
    
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    December 10, 2017 3:31pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      That is the oft quoted number RC. I stand to be corrected but in Stephieboys eyes that’s probably a lot of alt righters who have justifiably been removed.
      
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      December 10, 2017 3:35pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes those sort do love their pogroms and stupidboy is both a jihadist and a socialist. When he is not loitering and leering around young girls…
        
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        December 10, 2017 3:39pm
Hugh Pavletich

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AUCKLAND AUCTION NOSEDIVE …

The lack of bidding at Barfoot & Thompson’s latest auction shows buyers are becoming extremely cautious | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91305/lack-bidding-barfoot-thompsons-latest-auction-shows-buyers-are-becoming-extremely

It was hard going at Barfoot & Thompson’s auction at the agency’s head office on Friday morning (8 December).

Twenty five properties were on offer, with 21 of them located in Auckland’s western suburbs plus three from the North Shore and one in Grey Lynn.

Most of those from west Auckland were located in suburbs such as Massey, Henderson, Te Atatu and Glen Eden with a couple from New Lynn and Avondale.

Traditionally, these have been considered among the more affordable parts of Auckland to live, so you would think that properties in these areas would sell readily.

But that was not to be. … read more via hyperlink above …
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December 10, 2017 1:12pm
- Luke Piewalker
  
  Hugh – no one cares about you or anything you say.
  
  Please post your coma inducing posts on the standard.
  
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  December 10, 2017 1:50pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I agree with Luke.
    
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    December 10, 2017 5:25pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Stuff is running some Polar bear climate porn…
showing a video clip of an emaciated dying bear and relating it’s condition to climate change.

This seems to be a last-ditch appeal to the believers…

Polar bears are doing very well throughout their Arctic habitats where shooting has been banned and are no longer classified as endangered by the IUCN.
https://www.sciencealert.com/hundreds-of-polar-bears-descended-on-a-dead-whale-carcass-for-a-feast
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December 10, 2017 1:45pm
- realityczech
  
  The only reason Polar Bears might be starving [they are not] is due to the boom in population.
  
  There are times of the year when they go hungry as part of the natural cycle. That is when they grab the cameras and hound hungry bears.
  
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  December 10, 2017 1:48pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rc , sources for you claims ?
    
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    December 10, 2017 1:56pm
    - holysheet
      
      Holy fuck stooopidboy are you really that thick?
      Here is a quick lesson on using the internet to get your links. Follow closely dumb arse.
      
      1. open your internet browser. You know, the thing you use to check out all the porn sites.
      
      2. Go to the search enter place and type in your search request. Not your porn request, just something like “polar bears increase population overcrowding”
      3. Click on any of the links that your friend google or duckduckgo find for you. something like this will come up
      
      https://www.express.co.uk/news/nature/561014/Polar-bear-population-bounces-climate-change-warning-extinction-warning-WWF-global-warming
      
      Go on I dare you, expand your feeble mind and get away from those porn sites for a change, you might actually learn something.
      
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      December 10, 2017 2:23pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @ stephieboy
      Can you not use search Engines on the internet yourself?
      
      https://polarbearscience.com/2017/12/09/one-starving-bear-is-not-evidence-of-climate-change-despite-gruesome-photos/
      
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      December 10, 2017 2:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Woops, holysheet…
        I didn’t see your lovely exposition on how to use a search engine.
        
        Have you considered going teaching?
        You seem to have the patience and ability to cope with challenged learners.
        
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        December 10, 2017 2:48pm
      - William of Ockham
        
        http://www.int-res.com/abstracts/meps/v564/p225-233/
        Sea ice cycle in western Hudson Bay, Canada, from a polar bear perspective [2017]
        L. Castro de la Guardia1,*, P. G. Myers1, A. E. Derocher2, N. J. Lunn3, A. D. Terwisscha van Scheltinga1,4
        
        ABSTRACT: Remote sensing has allowed insights into changing Arctic sea ice, but seasonal underestimation of ice presence may lead to misinterpretation of species behavior. We use the dependence of polar bears Ursus maritimus on sea ice to assess the utility of satellite-linked radio collar locations to indicate underestimation in sea ice on 2 ice data sets derived from satellites. We then define the ice-free period in western Hudson Bay, Canada, from a polar bear perspective using the correlation between the ice concentration and polar bear migration onshore and offshore. We found that the ice-free period in this region lengthened by 3 ± 0.8 wk over the period 1979-2015. Polar bears migrated onshore 2 wk earlier and offshore 1 wk later in the period 2005-2015 than in 1980-1989. Understanding the trends in polar bear migration and the onshore period is critical to understanding population status.
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        “Appeal to believers”?
        
        Is that: The global community of scientists represented by every scientific institution and society on the planet, endorsing 99.99% publishing climate scientists…?
        
        You’re spending too much time listening to climate crocks like Susan Crockford – not a polar bear expert; not one peer-reviewed paper on polar bear populations.
        
        Of course more polar bears are starving. Fewer being shot and less time to find something to eat. Less ice less food.
        
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        December 10, 2017 3:45pm
      - realityczech
        
        Willy, so the evidence is clear. A bit less ice, due to natural variations, has resulted in bear numbers booming.
        
        Just one of the many global benefits of slightly warmer weather.
        
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        December 10, 2017 3:56pm
      - holysheet
        
        Thanks Maggy, but I only like taking the piss out of stooopidboy. I must admit he/she/they provide me with plenty to pick on.
        
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        December 10, 2017 5:09pm
      - stephieboy
        
        HS,
        
        “…I must admit he/she/they provide me with plenty to pick on.”
        
        Like what exactly ?
        
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        December 10, 2017 5:33pm
      - holysheet
        
        If you really have to ask that question, then there truly is no hope at all for you.
        
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        December 10, 2017 8:25pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Just to echo my learned colleague Holy….
      
      Examples ?
      
      Who’s a pretty Polly then?
      
      Short sentences to help you:
      Lazy.
      Use Google.
      Problem solved.
      No need to parrot “Examples?” all the time.
      
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      December 10, 2017 8:38pm
      - stephieboy
        
        DP.
        
        “use google ” ? The last refuge of those alt righters who don’t have answers to speak of .
        
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        December 10, 2017 8:49pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes maybe they look it up rather than making it up stupidboy.
        
        We are still waiting for you to tell us what “alt right” is and provide sources.
        
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        December 10, 2017 9:12pm
Suze Wainwright

Heard on RNZ this morning that both Ms Ardern and Mr Peters are particularly keen on establishing a formal mechanism whereby govt coalition partners are allowed to disagree with each other in government and have no consequence. I can’t imagine why they would be so keen on pushing something through to that regard…
(Didn’t want to raise any nit picking, but she really does seem to say poverdy and positividy and I have no simpidy for the National Pardy’s position…).
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December 10, 2017 2:39pm
- ztev
  
  Thats because you didnt have your good hearing aid on
  
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  December 10, 2017 5:54pm
  - sooty
    
    No, but her bullshit alert is rining it’s head off!
    
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    December 10, 2017 7:21pm
- realityczech
  
  Controlling freedom of expression is a key policy plank of all left wing authoritarians.
  
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  December 10, 2017 5:58pm
realityczech

News Science
Atheists are more intelligent than religious people, say researchers

New paper sets out to explain negative correlation between faith and intellect found in dozens of past studies

Religious people are less intelligent on average than atheists because faith is an instinct and clever people are better at rising above their instincts, researchers have claimed.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/atheists-more-intelligent-than-religious-people-faith-instinct-cleverness-a7742766.html
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December 10, 2017 3:32pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh that’s very disturbing…
  I read your link and discover that as an atheist I am attracted to evolutionary mismatches.
  
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  December 10, 2017 3:47pm
- Victor Omega
  
  They also published this last year: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/intelligent-people-tend-to-be-messy-stay-awake-longer-and-swear-more-a7174256.html
  
  So, putting it all together.
  According to The Independent; if you stay up late at night, sitting at your desk surrounded by last week’s pizza boxes and maccas wrappers, screaming into the void “where the f**k is God in all this mess!!”… there’s hope. You just might get a call from Mensa. 🙂
  
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  December 10, 2017 4:01pm
  - realityczech
    
    Religious children are meaner than their secular counterparts, study finds
    
    Religious belief appears to have negative influence on children’s altruism and judgments of others’ actions even as parents see them as ‘more empathetic’
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/06/religious-children-less-altruistic-secular-kids-study
    
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    December 10, 2017 4:06pm
    - realityczech
      
      It is important to remember this applies to all faith based belief systems and includes climate alarmist, as an example.
      
      ——————————————————-
      
      Why Are Religious People (Generally) Less Intelligent?
      
      Understanding the negative relationship between IQ and religiosity
      
      https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/mr-personality/201312/why-are-religious-people-generally-less-intelligent
      
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      December 10, 2017 4:08pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      It’s true. And not just the kids, their parents are far worse.
      
      I got home one Sunday years back, and found a car parked in my private car park (despite the legion of signs the body corporate had put up about private parking and the big yellow tow-away markings on the ground).
      
      I called the tow company and went out to park my car after the car was removed. As I was parking an incandescently angry church goer came up and proceeded to rant at me about my lack of consideration at having his car towed.
      
      As lightning crackled overhead and the rain sheeted down soaking him, his wife and his 3 kilt wearing kids I wondered if there was something Old Testament about the whole scenario.
      
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      December 10, 2017 8:50pm
  - Victor Omega
    
    What if you’re an insomniac atheist with obsessive compulsive hoarding disorder and Tourette’s (ticks all boxes eh!), but.. you have dyslexia? Can you still be a genius atheist? Or do you just stay up all night wondering if there’s a Dog?
    
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    December 10, 2017 8:25pm
- Fletch
  
  What a crock of sh*t. Some of the most famous inventors, scientists, musicians, artists, statesmen, etc, have been religious. Sounds like quack science.
  
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  December 10, 2017 5:57pm
  - realityczech
    
    Feltch, yes “some”. The article says “GENERALLY” right there in the headline. Kinda makes the point don’t it moron ?
    
    Exceptions don’t make the rule.
    
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    December 10, 2017 6:00pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”Some of the most famous inventors, scientists, musicians, artists, statesmen, etc, have been religious”…..
    
    Many of them lived in times when it was dangerous not to at least pay lip service to religious crap.
    
    Feigning belief saved many from the Inquisition & latter day persecution.
    
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    December 10, 2017 6:46pm
Dave Stringer

How sad can you get. Amazon have an e- erosion of a popular book priced higher than both the soft and hardcover printed versions. Clearly, cost of product no longer has any bearing on price.

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/0316273902/ref=pe_2313360_264327680_em_1p_0_lm
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December 10, 2017 4:00pm
Doubledimp

Dear DPF, I don’t give a f**k about Glimp, just pay the malware ransom and get it off my f**king browser.
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December 10, 2017 4:14pm
noskire

You can call me a misogynist, but the two female commentators on Sky’s coverage of the 2nd Test at Hamilton are absolute rubbish. The rest of the commentary team even seem embarrassed to respond to their comments. And what a shit turn-out from the the locals.
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December 10, 2017 4:50pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Agreed, Who paid for all those temporary seats that nobody’s sitting in?
  
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  December 10, 2017 5:28pm
realityczech

Weather News.
As the trend of global cooling continues – due to natural variations – Mexico is buried in snow during he coldest temperatures in 20 years.

Snow flies in north with first winter storm
Eight states affected by snowfall, cold temperatures

The capital also saw sleet for the first time in 20 years.

At least 15 Tamaulipas municipalities reported snowfall, a phenomenon that kept 90% of children from attending school yesterday.

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/snow-flies-in-the-north-with-first-winter-storm/
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December 10, 2017 5:54pm
Digmen1

Also in Mexico, their poverdy has gone down and their minimum wages are going up by 8 pesos.

https://mexiconewsdaily.com/news/minimum-wage-will-increase-by-8-pesos/

They are now one third that of Chile! And probably one sixth of ours.!

And Mexicans win my best country in the world award.
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December 10, 2017 6:09pm
- realityczech
  
  Yes just as Trump promised. His greatness is radiating across the Americas.
  
  Under the dirty beast Obama deaths of Mexicans -crossing the border – reached record levels as did the number of Mexicans deported.
  
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  December 10, 2017 6:14pm
  - nasska
    
    It took a long time for sufficient Yanks to realise that heightened melanin levels & the ability to read a Teleprompter are a poor indication of ability or intelligence.
    
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    December 10, 2017 7:00pm
    - Johnboy
      
      They just never knew how unlucky they were to lose the wife of a man that appreciated a good smoke! 🙂
      https://www.famous-smoke.com/cigaradvisor/wetting-a-cigar
      
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      December 10, 2017 7:12pm
      - nasska
        
        Bill wasn’t taking any chances…..he bloody near soaked it! 🙂
        
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        December 10, 2017 7:15pm
Johnboy

Thank goodness for Sir Winston. He won’t allow this sort of shit to carry on. 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/99517383/firms-warned-to-brace-for-new-zealands-older-workforce
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December 10, 2017 7:20pm
Johnboy

The things a man can do with a big cigar…spraying it with liquid somehow seems like a great idea to me! 🙂
http://www.puff.com/forums/vb/general-cigar-discussion/132793-spraying-water-your-cigar.html
This is the one Bill and I prefer: “i do it primarily with longer smokes and when it’s really hot/cold and dry outside. primarily when it’s hot and dry; if it’s cold, i find that the heat from the cherry will create condensation and moisten the stick. ” 🙂
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December 10, 2017 7:25pm
- nasska
  
  It’s vital that the stick is properly moistened. 🙂
  
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  December 10, 2017 7:32pm
  - Johnboy
    
    It’s very cruel for a dry old stick to pop a young cherry nasska. 🙂
    
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    December 10, 2017 7:43pm
Johnboy

Speaking of popping I popped down the road this morning and noticed another 100 cheap houses for the proletariat had popped up overnight. 🙂
Thank God we have such a wise and beneficial new government. Mr. Twyford is such a wonderful man! 🙂
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December 10, 2017 7:48pm
- holysheet
  
  “I popped down the road this morning”
  Is that a euphemism for your weekly trip to the sex shop in Eketahuna?
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:25pm
Johnboy

Oh good gracious deary me. These poor folk need to learn to do a proper kiwi boil up with a side of fish heads, rotten corn and tero tero! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/latest/99540870/couple-shocked-by-queenstown-racism
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December 10, 2017 7:56pm
- Biscuit
  
  ‘A proper kiwi boil up’?
  
  What dipping sauce do you provide with the boiled Kiwi?
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:09pm
nasska

Can one of the Godnutters enlighten me as to why every picture of Adam & Eve I’ve ever seen shows them having belly buttons?
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December 10, 2017 8:42pm
- stigie
  
  You’re asking far too much of the Godaddled Nasska, that’s like asking them why good wholesome priests like having it off with the altar boys..?
  
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  December 10, 2017 8:49pm
- Biscuit
  
  Too easy for the ‘Godnutter’ mob, nasska:
  
  ‘Our wonderful God isn’t to blame. It were some bloke who did the drawings…’
  
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  December 10, 2017 9:08pm
Manolo

The AGW mongers never rest:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5163041/California-braces-high-winds-wildfires-continue.html

California’s governor has said that deadly wildfires in the winter will be ‘the new normal’, as fire crews rushed to contain the fires, with dry desert winds expected to intensify over the weekend.

At a news conference, the Democrat said drought and climate change mean California faces a ‘new reality’ where lives and property are continually threatened by fire, at a cost of billions of dollars.
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December 11, 2017 7:16am
Morrissey

“AGW mongers”? You mean scientists.
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