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November 9, 2017 8:00am
- William of Ockham
  
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  Okay. You want climate science now. 🙂
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/05/the-cop23-climate-change-summit-in-bonn-and-why-it-matters
  Halting dangerous global warming means putting the landmark Paris agreement into practice – without the US – and tackling the divisive issue of compensation.
  
  Climate change is already significantly increasing the likelihood of extreme weather, from heatwaves to floods. But without sharp cuts to global carbon emissions, we can expect “severe, widespread, and irreversible impacts” for billions of people and the natural world. National action needs to be significantly toughened to meet to goal of keeping global temperature rise to well below 2C.
  
  All the science, and the battering that extreme weather has inflicted this year from floods in India and Nigeria to hurricanes in the Caribbean and wildfires in the US and Europe, indicates that global emissions need to start falling urgently – in the next few years.
  
  The current pledges for carbon cuts by the world’s nations would mean at least 3C of global warming and severe damage.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/08/seven-megatrends-that-could-beat-global-warming-climate-change
  THE TRENDS
  1. Methane: getting to the meat
  Carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels is the main greenhouse gas, but methane and nitrous oxide are more potent and, unlike CO2, still rising. The major source is livestock farming, in particular belching cattle and their manure.
  
  The world’s appetite for meat and dairy foods is rising as people’s incomes rise, but the simple arithmetic is that unless this is radically curbed, there is no way to beat global warming. The task looks daunting – people hate being told what to eat. However, just in the last year, a potential solution has burst on to the market: plant-based meat, which has a tiny environmental footprint.
  
  Food that looks and tastes just as good as meat or dairy products but is made from plants has attracted heavy investment. The buzz is particularly loud in the US, where Bill Gates has backed two plant-based burger companies and Eric Schmidt, formerly CEO of Google, believes plant-based foods can make a “meaningful dent” in tackling climate change.
  
  Perhaps even more telling is that major meat and dairy companies are now piling in with investments and acquisitions, such as the US’s biggest meat processor, Tyson, and multinational giants Danone and Nestlé. The Chinese government has just put $300m (£228m) into Israeli companies producing lab-grown meat, which could also cut emissions.
  
  New plant-based products, from chicken to fish to cheese, are coming out every month. “We are in the nascent stage,” says Alison Rabschnuk at the US nonprofit group the Good Food Institute. “But there’s a lot of money moving into this area.”
  
  … in the past year, sales of other meat and dairy substitutes have climbed 8%, with some specific lines, such as yoghurt, shooting up 55%. “I think the writing’s on the wall,” says Rabschnuk. Billionaire entrepreneur Richard Branson agrees. “I believe that in 30 years or so we will no longer need to kill any animals and that all meat will either be [lab] or plant-based, taste the same and also be much healthier for everyone.”
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  The science goes over your heads but the losses will get under your skin. NZ is in for a rough ride.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:03am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Nutbar alert!
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:11am
    - sooty
      
      8.10 and 18 down ticks. How long will he last?
      
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      November 9, 2017 8:16am
      - calendar girl
        
        He lasted to 8:23 – 20 minutes.
        
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        November 9, 2017 8:24am
    - flipper
      
      Naaah ……
      It’s lignocaine….
      
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      November 9, 2017 8:26am
    - Morrissey
      
      MEMO Cap’n Mainwaring:
      
      1.) Yes, men HAVE landed on the moon (no, it was NOT a hoax.)
      
      2.) No, the earth is NOT flat, despite what your common sense tells you.
      
      3.) The world’s scientists—you call them “nutbars”—know a lot more about science than Leighton Smith and whoever else you take your talking points from.
      
      4.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGDUaqAljX8
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:10am
      - Nermal
        
        You really believe there’s a moon?
        
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        November 9, 2017 2:57pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Read this instead of W o O’ s crap
    
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/10/28/information-interview-with-istvan-marko/
    
    Leighton Smith referenced it yesterday. Its long, but worth it.
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:15am
    - flipper
      
      I wonder whether Trump’s environment and energy men will push for the use if anti-racket legislation against this AGW crap.
      
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      November 9, 2017 8:32am
    - Random T Person
      
      Quite frankly, any time and effort spent trying to understand the ‘climate debate’ (it’s not a debate, it is a shouting match) is a complete waste. Get on with your life and leave the screamers on both sides to scream. The science is settled and 99.999 percent (like climate stats, that one was made up, but we all agree on its validity) of us will have no impact one way or another on the inevitability of what’s going to happen anyway.
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:04am
      - kowtow
        
        The inevitable is taxation. Global warming the excuse.And government the problem.
        
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        November 9, 2017 9:16am
    - Morrissey
      
      Leighton Smith??!!???!?!???
      
      http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/698/489/2f7.png
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:14am
      - Harkman
        
        Leighton is good dude, leave him alone!
        
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        November 9, 2017 10:42pm
  - softail 1450
    
    straight jacket,straight jacket ,urgent ,,,,,,
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:23am
  - treadingthemill
    
    @ William of Ockham
    
    I am an environmentalist who takes climate change seriously, and I am asking you to stop doing that. Going out of your way to deliberately annoy people is not the way to make your case. You’re already talking to people behind their barricades. How does this help?
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:54am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      For one it does motivate me to find a rebuttal. That forces me to keep reading the journals and keep up to date on the issue. I read both sides of the argument, and there are areas that need a lot more research ( such as the saturation of the atmosphere with respect to CO2 – this is critical and hugely debated)
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:11am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Yep,
        if I hadn’t been subjected to the foul sexist abuse I received here at KB when I first enquired about the NZ Temperature record, I doubt that I would have followed up on all the Climate-Gate and climate psychobabble nonsense.
        
        I didn’t even know of all the Climate blogs until I was warned not to access them.
        
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        November 9, 2017 3:03pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Maggy Wassileff
        
        My friend is the same with his belief in flat earth – he would never have investigated unless he had heard President Obama refer to AGW-deniers as a version of the “flat earth society”. Was intrigued what it was…and now he is a flat earther.
        
        BTW, Maggy, he is getting to the stage where he wants some rigorous examination of his curvature experiments and findings before going public as the NZ advocate, and was looking to contact you in the New Year. I mentioned you to him as a good science all-rounder. I think he is looking to pay for your services, or at least call in to Gizzie and shout you out to dinner for a preliminary discussion. I mentioned to him your feedback re refraction but he is insistent that what he is seeing on the distant horizon, which should not be visible due to curvature is still too great…
        
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        November 9, 2017 3:08pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Hahahahahaa kimbo,
        
        I damn well hope you have very RICH friends.
        
        I’m not a cheap date.
        
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        November 9, 2017 6:17pm
      - realityczech
        
        “I’m not a cheap date.”
        
        Fuck I am and I’m a good root too.
        
        Bimbo is trying to hide the fact that Jews have lied about the shape of earth. It’s clearly flat and hollow.
        
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        November 9, 2017 6:24pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Bollocks rc. Good root? You never even touched the base of my piles! 🙂
        
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        November 9, 2017 6:26pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jonny you are clearly a Jew/reptilian/freemason/illuminati/marxist hiding the reality of the risen Christ.
        
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        November 9, 2017 6:32pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I damn well hope you have very RICH friends.
        
        I’m not a cheap date.
        
        Indeed. He is well-resourced financially, and is determined to do what he can to publicise and propagate flat earth, so I’d suggest you put an offer to him that reflects your expertise as a qualified “scientific consultant”.
        
        And yes, make sure he takes you to the best restaurant in town for your first meeting.
        
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        November 9, 2017 6:44pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ realityczech/Kea
        
        Bimbo is trying to hide the fact that Jews have lied about the shape of earth. It’s clearly flat and hollow
        
        As I’ve pointed out on a number of occasions to my good friend Scott, the Jewish book of Genesis in particular, as well as the rest of the Jewish Tanakh/Old Testament in general works with the cosmological schema common to the rest of the Ancient Near East that the earth is indeed….flat.
        
        http://www.philipstallings.com/2015/06/the-biblical-flat-earth-teaching-from.html
        
        I also note you have avoided answering my question of a few days ago…do you like receiving golden showers? Admit your perversity and cleanse yourself! 😉
        
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        November 9, 2017 6:51pm
  - Digmen1
    
    And Al Jazeera features daily bomb blasts in Iraq and Yemen and Afghanistan, but none in Sweden!
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:20am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  He’s doubling-up now folks. Lets see if we can bury this one even quicker.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:31am
- Digmen1
  
  Where is Ockam ?
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:21am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    William of Ockham =
    Bill L’ Ockham =
    B. L’ Ockham =
    Blockhim
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:32am
  - rangitoto
    
    Surrey.
    
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    November 9, 2017 12:36pm
  - Nermal
    
    A village looking for its idiot.
    
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    November 9, 2017 2:58pm
- realityczech
  
  Remember cranks like Willy are now running the country people !
  
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  November 9, 2017 12:45pm
  - softail 1450
    
    you are right there if you are talking about willy Jackson.
    
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    November 9, 2017 3:10pm
mandk

I like to chat to the checkout operators when I am at the supermarket.

Last night I was talking to a bright young man who told me that he was working on the checkouts to save money for university.

I remarked to him that he must be pleased that he was now going to get his first year free of fees, and his response surprised me.

His thought was that making the first year free is likely to encourage a lot of people to enroll and simply mess about for a year. It would be much better, he thought, to make the second year free, so that universities were not just filled up with time wasters.

He’s probably correct.
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November 9, 2017 8:04am
- peterwn
  
  Jacinda Arden will presumably tell him and all other students who work checkouts that it is now quite OK to sell booze, confectionery etc on WINZ chits (remember the big uproar over this in the Helen Clark era when a schoolgirl checkout operator refused such a sale as required by law and was hung out to dry by journos, politicians and others).
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:13am
  - flipper
    
    But …but ….. that is different Peterwn.
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:24am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  This whole thing with paying a student before they pass any exams is a lot like people in my country firing AK47s into the air before their camel wins the race.
  
  NZ had a lot of this – “firing AK into the air before the camel wins.”
  
  Rewarding people for nothing, if my analogy was not clear enough.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:24am
- thedavincimode
  
  There’s nothing surprising about the fact that an 18 year old checkout operator is far more intelligent and world wise than ms thicky.
  
  “Two fish & a scoop of chips please and if you can, try not to fuck it up.”
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:38am
  - niggly
    
    That’s reminds me, when Jacinda visited Malcolm Turnball over the weekend and Turnball talked his kayaking experience (I think it was), Jacinda remarked in response well she has lots of … fishing experience!
    
    Although not sure whether scooping them out of a cooking vat for customers really counts – boom boom!
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz5ZCu25hVg
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:44am
- marquess
  
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  No, he isn’t. It’s free tertiary education, not free university. Think about what the difference might be.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:39am
  - Callum
    
    Yep, a huge surge in useless courses. Didn’t we go through this last time Labour were in?
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:42am
    - mandk
      
      Anyone for twilight golf?
      
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      November 9, 2017 8:44am
      - thedavincimode
        
        I think there’s a Diploma course in that isn’t there?
        
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        November 9, 2017 8:50am
    - starboard
      
      Hip hop courses for the special people
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:24am
      - radvad
        
        How about a doctorate in feminist geography?
        
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        November 9, 2017 10:27am
  - mandk
    
    I think he is probably smarter than you are.
    
    Why would it make a difference if we are talking about a WelTec course, instead of a Massey course?
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:47am
    - marquess
      
      Because WelTec can train electricians, mechanics, and carpenters in a year.
      
      Unless, of course, those careers are below you.
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:57am
      - mandk
        
        How do you know what I do, marquess?
        
        Seems to me that only smug lefties make arrogant assumptions about other people.
        
        btw, you only get a L3 qual from a one year course.
        
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        November 9, 2017 11:06am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        ”Because WelTec can train electricians, mechanics, and carpenters in a year.”
        No they can not.
        If you don’t know what you are talking about then may I suggest you keep your stupid mouth shut.
        
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        November 9, 2017 11:25am
      - marquess
        
        I don’t know or care what you do. The point is that first year free benefits all those who choose to study, from those doing Dentistry through to those who would stand to massively benefit from having Level 3 certificate. Making second year free because you’re only thinking about University degrees is elitist in the extreme.
        
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        November 9, 2017 11:28am
  - thedavincimode
    
    A nasal inhalation therapy clinic on every corner?
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:49am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Uni for the dole. That’s all it is. Keeps the unemployed statistics down. Variable arithmetic.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:10am
- doggone7
  
  The young man should relish the moment. As a bright young person working in a checkout he is an oracle, his wisdom accepted and acknowledged on here.
  
  He will go to university, study, and read, and test, and research and sweat and come out the other end years and years away and be an educated expert.
  
  And people on here will rubbish his views in his field of expertise and knowledge because they think they know better than him.
  
  Mind you, they will be experts on everything!
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:24am
- Southern Raider
  
  I got my employer some time ago to pay for a post diploma course.
  
  Came with one condition. You pay and we refund you when you pass
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:12am
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One of Trump’s very few legislative achievements in his first year in office was to undo an Obama-era law preventing people with a mental illness from owning guns. How’s that one working out in Texas, Donnie? Is America Great Again yet?
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November 9, 2017 8:07am
- MCos
  
  Plenty of downticks, but no rebuttal?
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:19am
- Ed Snack
  
  I’ll reply with as much detail as Tom did. No he didn’t, and the Texas shooter should have been barred under existing laws from buying a gun, but the government failed to carry out its responsibilities under the existing law to notify so that fact would be known.
  
  So, shooter shouldn’t have been able to buy gun under existing law, government (at the time under that fuckwit Obama) fucked up so he could do so, and you claim *more* laws would help ?
  
  Sounds like bullshit on stilts to me.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:29am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yep, and the bystander who finally shot him was an NRA instructor and he used an AR15 to do it.
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:37am
  - MCos
    
    He shouldn’t have been able to to buy guns for an entirely different reason i.e. his dishonourable discharge from the military. Unfortunately someone, not Obama, slipped up and didn’t enter the information in the database.
    At the end of April President Trump signed a bill that overturned an Obama-era rule designed to stop certain individuals with mental disorders from buying guns. This may or may not not have effected this bloke.
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:42am
    - All_on_Red
      
      The legislation was flawed in that it took too much of a broad brush approach.
      It had support from a number of Dems to repeal it.
      The shooter Kelley had been convicted of domestic assault.
      Anyone with a conviction for domestic assault can’t buy a gun.
      The conviction was never put on the database so when the gun retailer did the background check it never came up.
      
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      November 9, 2017 8:54am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      So a guy who was was gun-controlled, got a gun and shot a bunch of people. Doh! So gun control doesn’t work.
      
      And a guy who was entitled to carry a gun saved dozens of lives because he was carrying a gun.
      
      Boiling that all down to two key facts:
      – gun control failed
      – an NRA member saved lives because of his gun ownership.
      
      Alcohol prohibition ballooned criminalised alcohol consumption and production.
      
      Drug prohibition has resulted in widespread criminal drug production.
      
      The most gun-controlled city in the US (Chicago) averages a Vegas shooting body count every week!
      
      But “feelings” help libtards with their belief that gun-control will save lives.
      
      I fear for the species.
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:12am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      “….This may or may not not have effected this bloke.”
      
      Hard to take you seriously when you don’t know the fucking difference between ‘effected’ and ‘affected’.
      
      Most of the time, you’ll want affect as a verb meaning to influence something and effect for the something that was influenced.
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:40am
- realityczech
  
  No the black warlord was soft on gun control as evidenced with him failing to address the real problem of black criminals with guns.
  
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  November 9, 2017 12:47pm
hullkiwi

Message to Mr M. Hootton, perhaps before you wax so lyrically in public during your little chat shop with Ms Ryan & Mr Mills, about how well the new government is doing in PR terms, you’ll be a little more careful. Because as they say, a week is a long time in politics.
Going, from PR darlings on Monday, to being roundly condemned as spinning out of control by Wednesday, rather than taking Tuesday on the chin.
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November 9, 2017 8:08am
- kaykaybee
  
  What’s ridiculous is that Hooton every week is touted as being “from the right”. When will RNZ acknowledge that he brings NO balance whatsoever and that he is as fervently anti-National as any left wing commentator they have.
  
  It is now beyond a joke and if they don’t bring in someone like DPF for this spot one could safely say they’ve effectively and officially become the broadcasting arm of the coalition.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:12am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, I agree with you. It is because he promotes himself as a small “c” conservative with ACT leanings. He is also son in law of Sue Wood, which supposedly gives him inside knowledge of the National Party. All that says to me, is ohhh F**k, is the Auckland party still in the hands of the Eden/Epsom/Tamaki/Onehunga cabel of old. If so, the party in Auckland needs surgery again. Because that is what helped f**k things up in the period 1982 to 1986.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:41am
    - kaykaybee
      
      It’s clear he’s in some sort of realm where the think is that theyir activism can somehow drag National to the right. Fair enough, but allowing him to advocate for the right on our taxpayer funded media, while the left’ spokesman is a die hard Labourite (Mills), is not even vaguely representative of the 45% largest bloc.
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:52am
      - hullkiwi
        
        I agree with you. The block I spoke of have always been in place, & have maintained their presence as can be seen by the number of my contemporaries who now occupy key positions in the party. This block were never ideological, but more about maintaining government & power – hence they played to/supported Muldoon when it was necessary.
        
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        November 9, 2017 10:59am
JIV

Interesting article on CO2 per country this century. USA by far has made the biggest reduction, possibly due to the massive increase in fracking. China and India have gone the other way and pumped more CO2 out than ever before

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/11/07/cop23-in-one-graph-best-reason-ever-why-the-usa-doesnt-need-to-be-in-the-parisagreement/

The next time anyone goes on about the USA joining the Paris agreement, it has nothing to do with emissions and all to do with the climate fund.
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November 9, 2017 8:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who benefits from the Climate scare….
  
  The fabulously wealthy
  http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41901175
  
  What a rort.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:23am
  - KevOB
    
    HRH Prince Charles has invested in the carbon credit business.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:22am
- cmm
  
  It is wrong to account for CO2 by production. It should rather be done by consumption.
  
  For example about 70% of NZ’s CO2 production is generated in making our exports that get consumed in other countries, thus shifting the production from the country of consumption to NZ because they don’t need so many farting/burping cows of their own.
  
  If that was accounted for correctly then the CO2 would be attributed to the place where the dairy products (or whatever) are consumed.
  
  If you also did that with China, then their footprint would go down a lot and USA and Europe would go up.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:44am
  - Jack5
    
    Consumers also emit CO2.
    
    The billions of Chinese and Indians emit skyloads of CO2.
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:57am
    - cmm
      
      Sure they do, but per capita they produce bugger all compared to Western uber-consumers.
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:09am
    - realityczech
      
      “The billions of Chinese and Indians emit skyloads of CO2.”
      
      I guess the chosen ones don’t fart Jacksie ?
      
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      November 9, 2017 12:35pm
  - JIV
    
    Youre missing the point. CO2 has nothing to do with it as its all about the Climate Fund.
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:59am
  - Callum
    
    It is also wrong to ignore the carbon absorbed by farming. The only way a cow can fart methane is if it has ingested carbon through eating grass, the carbon in the grass was absorbed from the atmosphere. Cows don’t ‘make’ carbon, there are of course valid arguments over the impact of methane expelled versus CO2 absorbed but those are different to releasing carbon that has been stored as oil etc.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:05am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      The Carbon on this planet has always been here. It is not made – it is always here in one form or another. In the last 4.5 billion years this planet has been through a lot more than what the human race can put it through.
      A perfect example is Exit Glacier in Seward Alaska. I visited 8 weeks ago. Global Warming/Climate Change propaganda everywhere. What they don’t tell you is Exit Glacier has been receding since before the Industrial Revolution. Btw, there are some 300,000 glaciers in Alaska alone. That is a lot of ice that will never melt any time soon.
      Stop the bullshit
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:20am
  - Brito
    
    So, nothing changes but the deck chair positions?
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:55am
- treadingthemill
  
  @ JIV
  
  USA by far has made the biggest reduction, possibly due to the massive increase in fracking. China and India have gone the other way and pumped more CO2 out than ever before
  
  That is one of the reasons why, as someone who is concerned about climate change, I did not care that the US pulled out of the Paris Accords. The PA gave far too much leeway to China and India to continue polluting. The PA was a political compromise that was big on rhetoric and thin on a policy that would have made any difference.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:00am
  - labrator
    
    I’m enjoying your contributions here treadingthemill, glad you stuck around past your baptism of ire.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:21am
- kowtow
  
  “Toxic smog is choking the Indian capital of New Delhi where a public health emergency has been declared.”
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/08/toxic-smog-chokes-new-delhi-has-pollution-emergency-declared/
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:27am
  - JIV
    
    Still nothing to do with CO2. An invisible trace gas.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:53am
VicParking

Red Radio’s Guyon’s interview with the Super Fund showed he has no idea what “Re-Insurance” is or is all about. He went on a fishing expedition to find a scandal and all that happened was he lost his bait, hook, line and sinker. He tried the same same thing with Pat Newman in regards to a teacher carrying a student to the headmasters office. He read out a section from the rules, realised he did not understand it so he had to ask Pat to explain it.
The man is a fool.
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November 9, 2017 8:20am
- hullkiwi
  
  I heard the interview also. He is only as good as his research. Which goes to show the NZ media lost the ability to investigate, research and ask legitimate questions.
  I remember 30 plus years ago Bill Ralston & Jim Hopkins telling us at an ECB party function that proper journalism in NZ was dead because of deadlines in newsrooms & 24/7, little did they foresee the internet as well.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:37am
- hullkiwi
  
  It was Red Kim interviewing Pat Newman after 7am news, unless there was an earlier interview. However, the topic of the interview just shows how stupid things have become in our schools.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:44am
  - Harkman
    
    I must admit that I have not listened to that station since February 2011. Interestingly, on that occasion then Labour leader Phil Goff was asked by Kathryn Ryan how he would pay for his election promises, he said he would cut military spending and have less patrols in NZ waters (3 years later he criticized National for not spending enough on the military).
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:04pm
- doggone7
  
  Maybe your hatred of Radio NZ affected your hearing.
  
  The Newman interview was with Kim Hill. And her asking him to explain what the rules actually mean was reasonable. She is there to help the audience understand the realities of complex situations mostly outside the experience of the listeners.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:38am
flipper

Putting aside TDS, or any anti Trump sentiment, I found myself becoming increasingly angry with the TV One News presentation last evening. I spent, much of the afternoon watching Trump’s every move in South Korea, courtesy of Sky and Fox.
I reached the point at about 6.10pm where I wanted to throw my laptop at the TV and then send the account for the repair of both to TVNZ. Why? The anti-Trump coverage was palpable.
Peter Williams delivered his producer-prepared script, and I know more than enough of what takes place, to know how the garbage he reads, and the clips he presents, come from the faceless left-wing manipulators off camera, but weaving their evil and palpably based views via teleprompter. The worst part is that there is no means of writing to question their coverage. And further, the BSA is xyz useless.
TV One “News” started their coverage with a painful piece from a BBC idiot who, speaking in a voice that sounded as if he was being strangled, featured two small groups of youth quakers – one wanting “peace” with NK, and the other wanting Trump to go away. The previous evening this same BBC idiot said that there were fears in Seoul that Trump’s visit would result in a dangerous war situation. It would be better, he claimed, if Trump were to cancel his visit and go directly to China.

The Fox coverage was wall to wall, no pejorative language either way, just live coverage as events unfolded. Fox did have John Bolton (former US UN Ambassador) and Tony Gorka, Hungarian born and a hard-line anti-communist /anti- ISIS / former Trump advisor, watching and making side bar contributions from time to time.
But the nub of the live coverage was the 35-minute speech given by Trump. He was applauded on many points, and his total presentation was greeted by a standing ovation by all members of the audience.
And then came TV One’s 6 pm “news” and I screamed in disbelief. It was at that point I wanted to throw things at Williams. I would cheerfully have jumped inside the TV screen and strangled the Beeb Beeb Ceeb idiot.
To think that we have now got many months ahead with those TV One (& 3) news and Red Radio fuckwits talking about “our Prime Minister”. To put it bluntly, Ardern is not my Prime Minister, and never will be. Already the idiotic MSM is bowing down before the silly woman, praising her “agenda” for APEC. What rubbish. By the same token Peters is not to me a legitimate MP, and certainly not as legitimate Minister, notwithstanding the warrant he has – a warrant issued because of his political duplicity. But I digress …..
There, I have got that off my chest. Others may agree or disagree. That is their prerogative. But if they wish to live in ignorance and to rely upon the crap served to us by the Peters/Ardern Regime and their MSM surrogates, that is their decision.
And their misfortune.
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November 9, 2017 8:21am
- VicParking
  
  New Zealand TV has CBS and CNN right up their rear end and they spew out their articles word for word. They make no attempt to look at Fox or Breitbart to get any form of balance.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:28am
- Prince
  
  TV One news coverage is appallingly biased, particularly wrt Trump.
  The only solution is to turn it off.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:34am
  - jcuk
    
    For some years I have not been able to turn it on as I didn’t “upgrade ” to the current form of propagating crap-TV. So I am protected from the stuff which upsets you so much 🙂
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:53am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I have not watched TV1 news (or any TV) for about 12 years now. I get the news from the internet and read a variety of outlets for balance. I don’t read any New Zealand papers. The Guardian, although left, is exceptionally well written. Al Jazeera is pretty good, except possibly for their anti Israel bias. I skim Stuff for local headlines, but they are mostly crap. As for the farce that sits on the treasury benches at the moment, people know my views. I watched Bill tear into them yesterday. Let’s see if relentlessly positive Jacinda has the balls to go to Vanguard….
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:47am
  - lifesgood
    
    I’m with you, ROL. I’m a much happier person since I cancelled the Herald and stopped watching nz’s tv news. I just skim the internet, read KB and hear the odd radio bulletin. That’s more than enough. Evenings are now calm and restful. Bill was absolutely brilliant yesterday. Poor old WO will be having conniptions! Only 2 years and 11 months to go.
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:58am
    - Prince
      
      Make that 2 yrs 10 months. We are 6% through already. Christmas soon, New Year and then it’ll be 12%. Hang on, we can do this.
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:12am
- wiseowl
  
  C’mon flipper tell us the truth.
  You were just watching and waiting for Dana Perino.
  Do you watch ‘The Outsiders’ on skynews 85 on Sunday ?
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:50am
  - flipper
    
    Oh, you mean Dana with the pip squeak, bird-like voice ?
    No . Better things to do on a Sunday.
    But while Rupert’s network(s) charges on, the entertainment networks languish…. and so does the print media. The latter, in particular, have yet to understand that there is an awful lot of the USA between Boston and Los Angeles – and that most of it now hates the brigand-like Clintons and their media mafia.
    BTW … watch Donna Brazile on Tucker Carlson today. Bring popcorn and Buds. 🙂
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:36am
- KevOB
  
  Add to that the global warming propaganda segment.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:25am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I don’t watch the local NZ news shit – because I know what I will get. I saw the speech on AlJazeera.
  No cue cards, no teleprompter, no speech notes.
  Impressive. I’m guessing TV1 cut out the bits about how the NK people are treated. Time for US, China, Russia and S Korea to move in and stop it for good
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:27am
- UpandComer
  
  The BBC is such a laughing stock. If they aren’t shilling for pedophile’s like Jimmy Savile, they’re running ‘history programs’ saying that Roman Briton was muslim, King Arthur was a Kang, and running endless programs about little kids finding out that they aren’t a boy any-more and doing on magical journeys to become women.
  
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  November 9, 2017 12:29pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    The Beeb (Aunty) to any Brits on here, has pursued a programme of dumbing itself down with relentless monotony over the years. Add to that the bloody Saville & every other sex witch hunt has left it a pretty neutered broadcaster.
    That said I wish NZ had broadcasters of the stature of Paxman, Humphreys, the Dimblebys & Wark. They make what we have here look like cub journos who wouldn’t know the meaning of the word journalism.
    
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    November 9, 2017 5:56pm
tom hunter

Interesting interview at Reason magazine about Bitcoin and the “Blockchain” IT that makes it possible.

If you regard the whole phenomena as being yet another scam you would be wrong: it’s the blockchain that is the key, and it’s really all about maintaining precise control over asset ownership. And if you want to know why that’s important, then the discussion about our current system of buying and selling stocks, bonds and other financial instruments is pretty hair-raising. She mentions a recent court-case involving the Dole company, which you can read about here: a key quote:

These issues have been brought to the forefront by the Dole case. In the settlement, 4,662 people and entities claimed 49,164,415 shares at $2.74 per share.

There is just one problem: Dole had only 36,793,758 shares outstanding.

Blockchain would likely fix that. How it works with taxes is perhaps the bigger question.
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November 9, 2017 8:22am
- cmm
  
  The blockchain does add some very interesting technology in that it can be used to verify that transactions have happened and verify documents etc.
  
  The problem with bitcoin is that it is not tied to anything of value.
  
  A dollar gives you a slice of the economy. Printing more dollars slices up the economy into smaller chunks and thus causes inflation (unless the economy has grown faster than the number of dollars). Even in Zimbabwe, the dollar is still a slice of something.
  
  A lump of silver is a lump of silver.
  
  But a bitcoin is just a number that is not tied to anything.
  
  Some people will argue that the bitcoin has value due to the energy expended in mining it. That’s a misunderstanding of value. If I walk to the top of a hill and down again I have expended a lot of energy but I have created no value.
  
  All bitcoin has going for it is classic bubble economics: it has value because people think they can sucker someone else into buying it later for more money. And bubbles always burst.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:54am
  - labrator
    
    Yes, the only purpose of the “mining” is to have a physical constraint on the production by using an arbitrarily difficult calculation which does consume a lot of power. As such there as a natural equilibrium between how much power you can afford vs how much “value” is obtained. If suddenly power prices drop significantly (even for someone geogrpahically isolated) or big steps in computing power come along (quantum computing?) then the “value” can change dramatically. We’ve not really seen the results of something like that but I wouldn’t get involved on that basis. If ads on the Herald are telling me to invest in bitcoin, I’d be shorting it.
    
    That’s not a criticism of the blockchain at all, merely the mechanism of introducing new coins.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:27am
    - ross411
      
      The mining secures the chain by directly requiring complicated work within the process of building the chain. This means that the miners cannot discard already accepted blocks by forcing a “reorg” or switch to alternate end to the chain, as it becomes both costly and inherently time consuming to do so. In theory 51% of mining power is bandied about as a danger, but the cost involved in this level of undermining bitcoin and the investment in devices specifically for mining bitcoin, mean that it is extremely unlikely if not merely a canard.
      
      Quantum computing supposedly has little danger in the future for the difficulty operations used in bitcoin mining, so have little chance of accelerating the operations or allowing breaking the keys people use to facilitate coin theft.
      
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      November 9, 2017 1:45pm
    - KevOB
      
      Block chain is just an encrypted database with linked records. I had to solve that problem of integrity of visibly alterable records in accounting software.
      The effort that goes into bitcoin “mining” must be largely make work- my modest PC does over a million full numeric operations a second.
      The excessive computing to acquire a bitcoin may give a sense of scarcity but that is not value. Value arises out of earnings which bitcoin is devoid of.
      What goes up will come down.
      
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      November 9, 2017 3:10pm
VicParking

It seems that the Hearld reads KB. After my rant about the Wanganui Chronicle repeating articles multiple times, for the first time in months, not one article repeated. Mind you the web page is now full of old articles long dead. RIP the failing newspaper and its mini mee’s.
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November 9, 2017 8:24am
Prince

I see the Dompost editorial, in their daily craven grovel, is continuing the Labour lie that traditionally Speakers are appointed by Parliament unopposed.

Let’s look back to the last time.
Nope.
Labour put up Mallard against Carter, and lost the vote.

Some tradition.
Some editor.
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November 9, 2017 8:24am
- VicParking
  
  The Left’s memory is less than that of my pet goldfish.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:29am
- sooty
  
  Its different when the left do it! And who is the editor sucking up big time, trying to get brownie points?
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:32am
MCos

Quote of the day so far:

We were concerned about giving him a platform. We didn’t anticipate he’d bring the gallows & rope & finish the job himself.
Gary Younge referring to an interview with Richard Spencer
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/08/interviewing-richard-spencer-white-supremacist
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November 9, 2017 8:24am
- Ed Snack
  
  Well, yes, Spencer IS a nutjob.
  
  The central point about Spencer and his “white supremacist” followers is that they are a tiny, tiny, group, always were. The only reason Spencer gets any oxygen to propagate his idiocy is that the New Media wants to do so.
  
  In a conference organized before the last US presidential election, Spencer managed to get 200 delegates to a meeting. At the same time more than 7,000 attended a Brony conference/meeting. That should put him in perspective – he has/had less than 5% of the popularity of “My Little Pony” for adults.
  
  If the media would simply ignore him, his total irrelevance to US politics would be apparent. He really is a nobody with no significant support. But it’s just another lever to attack Trump with, pure partisan “fake news” stuff.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:38am
  - SGA
    
    Spencer managed to get 200 delegates to a meeting. At the same time more than 7,000 attended a Brony conference/meeting.
    
    Schedule clashes like that are a real pain in the butt 🙂
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:46am
  - MCos
    
    It could be said that if the media had ignored Trump he would not have even been GOP nomination. It’s the way these things go.
    Your regular boring, run of the mill, earnest, decent, squeaking clean, politicians, which is the vast majority, don’t get the free wall to wall media exposure those loud mouthed, charismatic, corrupt characters attract.
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:59am
    - kowtow
      
      Sqeaking clean politicians?
      
      Where?
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:36am
      - MCos
        
        Squeaky clean, that should have been.
        Our parliament has plenty of them, but it’s not exactly something that’s going to generate publicity.
        Crusher’s brush with scandal did no harm to her poll numbers. Neither does the derogatory nickname.
        
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        November 9, 2017 11:33am
- BananaLlama
  
  Spencer is a real useful idiot for the left. Every time Nationalists start making headway towards the center idiots like Spencer turn up and do their very best to destroy the gains being made. Believe me when i say he is not well liked.
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:50am
sooty

Taxindas off on her trip of a life time via RNZAF aircraft today, with some pixie dust armamounts on hard points on the wings to spread cheer and goodwill amongst everybody. The question is what will she return with? Will her arse be in a sling, or will she be singing praises for TPP? What about the baublemaster, what will he have up his sleeve?
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November 9, 2017 8:29am
- VicParking
  
  I see they sent Winston ahead, first class no doubt, so they she would not have to fly with him and to get him away for his legal shenanigans (or maybe to dry out).
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:33am
- Keeping Stock
  
  What about the baublemaster, what will he have up his sleeve?
  
  A bottle of Laphroaig, I should think…
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:49am
  - sooty
    
    I don’t know about up his sleeve, but there will be one in his coat pocket! The question is how big a bottle.
    
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    November 9, 2017 7:16pm
softail 1450

James shaw on drunken garners show this morning ,FFS has anybody told that little meglomaniac that he isn’t actually the prime minister?
going on about waving big sticks at polluters (farmers no doubt) all the while with the arrogant smirk on his dial,this guy got 6% of the vote and is carrying on as if he is in charge.
if we are going to have to put up with 3 years of that prick looking down his nose at us like a school principal I’ll have to agree with some of the left wing commentators on here, “IT IS GOING TO BE A PAINFUL FRUSTRATING THREE YEARS FOR ME”
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November 9, 2017 8:34am
- thedavincimode
  
  Calm down. We’ve barely had three weeks of ms thicky’s three piece chip shop band and already there is a mood of post-purchase blues out there. Three years of the death stare and the vacuous tripe that dribbles out of her mouth and even the greedy old seniles who voted for the shonky dwarf will have had enough.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:46am
- RF
  
  Hopefully his two mummy’s will put a curfew on him and it will be bedtime at 8pm.
  
  Is this little prick too scared to drive a car… FFS.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:12pm
tom hunter

The mystery of exactly how The Beatles did that opening chord to A Hard Day’s Night has been solved.

And it was not as easy as you’d think, requiring mathematics – for something so brief and simple.
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November 9, 2017 8:37am
- Prince
  
  The Beatles, and the Stones – both outstanding at constructing the beginnings of their songs.
  My favourite Beatles opening is “I Feel Fine”.
  
  Both bands also generally managed proper endings, rather than just fade into the distance.
  Genius.
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:22am
Sir Cullen's Sidekick

Still National rotting in opposition folks, thanks to that great runner John Key.
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November 9, 2017 8:37am
- All_on_Red
  
  More like thanks to that intellectual lightweight Paula Bennett and her stupid staffer.
  #leakers
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:44am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Don’t like me saying that?
    Wake up. Someone in the Nats leaked Winstons Super fuck up and because they pissed him off he shafted them.
    After using them by playing them off against Labour to get the baubles he wanted- yeah he tricked Labour too.
    He had proceedings filed before the talks.
    And I bet it all leads to Bennett and her staffer. It was just so so stupid.
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:59am
    - Garbageman
      
      Valid points AoR but i would rather we were in opposition than having that 7% clown Peters dictating terms and throwing his toys at every possible opportunity & our great counties demise aside look at all the fun we are having with the inept cabal of muppets and their daily fkups
      
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      November 9, 2017 11:48am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Agree, I’m also unperturbed that the Nats are in opposition. Looks like it’s going to be fun!
        But with the shear incompetence and appalling judgement shown by Bennett et al, heads must roll.
        Sure, retire at the next Election but by next Christmas, a new leader and a new top team.
        
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        November 9, 2017 12:50pm
- flipper
  
  Oh, crap dropkick !!!!
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:22am
waikatogirl

Cindy PM out of the country
Winnie Deputy out of the country

Is clever Kelvin in charge? ?
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November 9, 2017 8:38am
- Poppa
  
  Yes Kelvin is in charge
  
  God help us all, I hope nothing serious happens or he will be made to look like the airhead he is
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:45am
  - greybeard
    
    I am sure he has H1 and H2 on speed dial
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:47am
    - lifesgood
      
      Speaking of which…why weren’t they there when they were needed for the speaker’s vote. Did princesscinda forget to put her earpiece in? After all both H1 and H2 are grand Masters at playing dirty. I’m sure they are ropeable about the f**K up
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:04am
      - Viking2
        
        H1 has just landed another oversea’s trough to play in.
        something to do with drugs.
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/helen-clark-appointed-to-global-commission-on-drug-policy.html
        Helen Clark has been appointed to the Global Commission on Drug Policy, an independent body advocating for reducing the harm caused by drugs.
        
        Ms Clark joins world leaders such as Kofi Annan, Ruth Dreifuss, the former President of Switzerland and Caesar Gaviria, the former President of Colombia.
        
        Meanwhile;
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11942245
        
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        November 9, 2017 9:28pm
    - Sarkozygroupie
      
      Like he would have a say in the matter.
      
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      November 9, 2017 1:00pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  What would happen if National sprung a no-confidence vote now?
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:56am
  - rangitoto
    
    Nothing
    
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    November 9, 2017 12:45pm
- Maxx
  
  I saw this movie. Mum and Dad go on holiday with the family forgetting Kelvin at home. He fights off burglars by setting fire to them and giving them concussions.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:50am
dime

Brilliant speech by Trump in South Korea.

Great to see a President with a giant set of balls!
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November 9, 2017 8:46am
- SGA
  
  That’s nice – compensates for his small hands. 🙂
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:48am
  - flipper
    
    And your small brain….
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:08am
    - SGA
      
      lol – sad thing is that I don’t have the giant balls as compensation.
      (Just having some fun, flipper – don’t be such a snowflake)
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:21am
- rightoverlabour
  
  This has some parallels for us here. I feel very much the way the Democrats felt. However, I have not cried, and have not rioted. Sworn a lot, said some possibly crazy stuff, but not acted like the mob in America. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/08/12-months-trump-year-since-election-brings-economic-boom-deepening-divisions-probe-politics.html
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:03am
  - Prince
    
    If National had been elected, the Left wing response in NZ would make the US reaction look like Sunday school.
    Just read the constant outrage spewed by Russell Brown and his ilk against any National MP who dares to question their darlings on Twitter.
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:29am
    - ross411
      
      Look at that story in the MSM where a mentally ill person/left winger spray painted the national supporters house/fence.
      
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      November 9, 2017 1:53pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, you either either with us (the USA) or against us when it comes to NK.
  
  Starve the regime out, that’s what I say.
  Drop leaflets and food packages and Samsung mobiles and say, this is what you are missing out on due to KJU.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:08am
- Morrissey
  
  Idiot.
  
  https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3682b3245e3515ae6d5ec10ef357c2b1-c
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:20am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hmm, talking about yourself again? How about explaining why you think someone is an idiot, is it Donald, or the poster?
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:35am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Did you watch the speech? I did, all 35 minutes of it. Once you have, please tell me exactly which parts are so idiotic?
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:26am
  - Garbageman
    
    not interested in clicking the link of a forth rate stenographer that has just confirmed what we already knew he was but i will guess its a selfie
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:52am
- tom hunter
  
  Great to see a President with a giant set of balls!- dime
  
  Some balls are held for charity
  And some for fancy dress
  But when they’re held for pleasure
  They’re the balls that I like best.
  My balls are always bouncing
  To the left and to the right
  It’s my belief that my big balls
  Should be held every night
  
  Oh I’ve got big balls
  I’ve got big balls…
  
  What a great fuckin’ band. Someone should play this for The Donald. I think he’d love it!
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:03am
  - dime
    
    no doubt. the Don is a huge GNR fan
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:34am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Best ACDC is of course Bon Scott. Brian did a great job to follow him but my go to records are all the ones from Powerage up to Highway to Hell.
    
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    November 9, 2017 12:39pm
- MCos
  
  Shame about those elections back in the US.
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:21am
  - dime
    
    did the dems finally win a vote in something?
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:35am
- Gabby
  
  dim’s geddin tesdickular
  
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  November 9, 2017 12:15pm
- cha
  
  Great to see a President with a giant set of balls!
  
  Nope, just old man’s balls.
  
  Old man balls pic.twitter.com/XueNiC8CwB— Brasilmagic (@Brasilmagic) October 6, 2017
  
  https://twitter.com/Brasilmagic/status/916377026034061320
  
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  November 9, 2017 1:26pm
Inandout

How would the Grand Coalition handle a damaging earthquake? That scenario boggles the mind, especially when the Greens start demanding more care for the environment.
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November 9, 2017 8:52am
- cmm
  
  Selfies!
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:55am
- cmm
  
  We saw a microcosm of how Labour would handle it in how Dalziel (or however you say her name) has handed Chch.
  
  She slowed down the rebuild by holding months of useless community meetings ($120/hr+ for the consultants involved) that came up with people asking for the normal impossible bullshit. Let’s have light rail through Christchurch… Let’s make it the world’s first Green City!
  
  Then ignored it all anyway because nanny knows best.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:14am
  - Inandout
    
    I visited Christchurch CBD recently and was staggered with how slow the rebuild was happening.
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:02am
    - cmm
      
      Well in some ways stuff is going slowly and in other ways fast…
      
      The reality is that there is a lot of stuff to fix with limited resources, so priorities matter.
      
      A lot of work in the CBD is very slow because building first need to be “deconstructed” carefully so as to do it safely and without damage to other buildings. That’s a lot harder than flat-out demolition of sound buildings.
      
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      November 9, 2017 1:20pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, but she made the sheeple feelz good. You got to remember she entered parliament at the tail end of the Lange/Palmer era. It was all about consultation….blah blah blah. Made the consultants rich though.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:28pm
- Maxx
  
  With the Greens it would be that Gaia has decided this is how the earth is now and nothing should be done to upset the delicate balance.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:52am
  - treadingthemill
    
    I’m not a Green Party supporter, but I am green, and believe in the Gaia hypothesis. Nothing in that view would lead me to say we should do nothing about the effects of natural disasters. Yes, earthquakes and other destructive phenomena are natural, but that does not mean we should not rebuild communities destroyed by their activity, and I strongly doubt that anyone in the Green Party would think that either.
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:06am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      There are more than a few true misanthropic radicals who truly regard humans as evil and wish for their end who are at home within the Green Party.
      
      And you have to be loopy to believe in the gaia hypothesis (though honestly no worse than belief in other forms of spirituality, at least believers mostly have the excuse of having been indoctrinated as children). Natural selection and the Anthropic principle are the only elements needed to explain the world as it is.
      
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      November 9, 2017 11:34am
      - treadingthemill
        
        There are more than a few true misanthropic radicals who truly regard humans as evil and wish for their end who are at home within the Green Party.
        
        I’m very familiar with the people in the Green Party, and outside the party New Zealand green circles generally, and I have never met anyone who thinks that way.
        
        And you have to be loopy to believe in the gaia hypothesis
        
        The actual hypothesis is consistent with science, and on it’s own not spiritual.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis
        
        I personally do spiritualise it, as I am a Pagan, but the hypothesis itself is non-spiritual.
        
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        November 9, 2017 1:58pm
    - cmm
      
      We are part of nature.
      
      Everything we do is as natural as birds or bacteria doing it.
      
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      November 9, 2017 1:22pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        We are part of nature.
        
        Everything we do is as natural as birds or bacteria doing it.
        
        The first sentence is true, but not the second. Nature works in a very specific way to create balance, harmony, and health for the whole. Some of what we do is unnatural because it degrades or destroys the balance and health of the eco-system.
        
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        November 9, 2017 1:56pm
- softail 1450
  
  inandout,,,this bunch of fools would be calling for counselling for the” earth taniwha” because he must be angry to do that to us .
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:19am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

New Zealand politics is boring. It’s all happening in the UK at the minute.
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November 9, 2017 8:57am
AgentBallSack

Washington Post weighs in on the racist but venerable Winston Peters

But for all the excitement around Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her new government, the real power lies with the far right. And, more terrifying: The far right seized power by exploiting the very system meant to be a fairer version of democracy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/11/08/how-the-far-right-is-poisoning-new-zealand/?utm_term=.9511838ebe2a
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November 9, 2017 8:57am
- Keeping Stock
  
  “Venerable” used in regard to Peters? Not bloody likely.
  
  Then again, take out two e’s and the r and b and you’re left with VENAL, which describes Peters perfectly.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:05am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    I despise the man but I will admit he is as cunning as a shit house rat. For the shenanigans he pulled with Labour despite knowing he would not go with National, he earns my political chutzpah of the century award.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:38am
    - RF
      
      If I was a betting man I would be confident that the red dwarf will not see this first term out.
      
      In the interim I look forward to watching this individual and the commie chic fighting over the throne. Pop corn time.
      
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      November 9, 2017 8:21pm
- cmm
  
  Far Right? In NZ?
  
  On a global scale, ACT is centrist. The whole NZ political spectrum is Left.
  
  Anyway, Winston didn’t seize power. He offered Jacinda the Ring for a handsome consideration and she accepted.
  
  Labour, Greens and NZF all collaborated in this. None of them could act alone.
  
  If she (or Greens) had not accepted, and NZ went back to to the polls, they’d have had their arses kicked and Jacinda would be home making almond milk and babies.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:07am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I read the article and thought WTF? NZ1st Far Right? Please. Racist, xenophobic, dishonest and illiterate, but not Far Right. I see Far Right as National Front, or AWB. NZ1st are just a bunch of halfwits who like being on the front page, led by a (put your own abuse in here) charlatan.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:29am
    - ross411
      
      The article is unhinged, and uses sexist words like “cisgender”. It’s clearly some nutjob with an agenda.
      
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      November 9, 2017 1:56pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      rol, I read thought the same article and thought WTF. Calling Winnie (Capitalism is Dead) Peters Far Right is turning the world on its head. But there again it is the Washington Post (not the paper of 45 years ago).
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:39pm
  - Morrissey
    
    On a global scale, ACT is centrist.
    
    ?!!??!?? By any measure, ACT is a bizarre collection of outliers. Vide….
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11210373
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4133210/Crucial-information-omitted-in-Garrett-case
    
    https://cdn.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/John-Banks-in-dock.jpg?x57220
    
    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3216/834/400/RodneyHide.jpg
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:46am
    - MCos
      
      Only an optimist would describe ACT as a ‘collection’ anymore
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:01am
      - Nermal
        
        More like a ‘thicket’
        
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        November 9, 2017 3:18pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Morrissey, you should start a political party.
      You could call it the Bitter And Twisted Party.
      
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      November 9, 2017 11:26am
      - sooty
        
        Doesnt need to she belongs to the Labour party.
        
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        November 9, 2017 7:30pm
      - hullkiwi
        
        The moron may call himself Morrissey, but from what I’ve seen of his writing on this blog, this character is no Morrissey (to paraphrase).
        
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        November 9, 2017 9:42pm
- treadingthemill
  
  The Washington Post article, which I see was written by a New Zealander who should know better, contains a glaring inaccuracy.
  
  The effects of the far right’s influence are already being felt. Amid pressure from New Zealand First, the government has vowed to slash immigration by tens of thousands by making it harder to obtain visas and requiring employers to prove they cannot find a qualified New Zealand citizen before hiring a non-citizen. They’ve also put forward legislation banning non-citizens from owning property
  
  Those policies were not created by any pressure from Winston Peters, they were already Labour party policies prior to the negotiations. Ben Mack writes for the New Zealand Herald. Assuming he lives in New Zealand, he should have been familiar with Labour’s policies. This is very shoddy journalism.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:14am
  - kowtow
    
    ” shoddy journalism.”
    
    Nope, it’s deliberate lies.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:38am
    - VicParking
      
      Fake news
      
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      November 9, 2017 3:33pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Now do you accept NZ has a problem with the MSM, given this turkey writes for the NZ Herald?
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:45pm
- dime
  
  lol sums up the washington compost.
  
  how the fuck is winnie far right?
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:15am
  - Inandout
    
    Trump has a name for the WaPo: fake news.
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:05am
    - fernglas
      
      This is from a column written by Mr Mack in May for the Herald; he seems to have enough trouble with gender confusion that political confusion should not come as a surprise:
      “Oh, and I’m also non-binary.
      
      Huh? So what does that mean, exactly? Some made-up nonsense by a special snowflake who thinks they’re unique? Yeah, nah.
      
      Basically, it means that I don’t consider myself female or male. I’m simply a human being who prefers the pronouns “they” and “their.”
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:15am
      - dime
        
        ““Oh, and I’m also non-binary.”
        
        lol what a loser
        
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        November 9, 2017 10:21am
    - treadingthemill
      
      Trump has a name for the WaPo: fake news.
      
      I can see why. That article was fake news. Mack painted a picture of New Zealand being on the brink of a far-right, neo-Nazi takeover. He cited those National Front idiots as evidence, along with his deceptive take on the coalition agreement. It takes a lot to get me incensed about anything, but dragging New Zealand’s reputation into the mud like that, and in such a dishonest manner, got my blood boiling.
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:42am
- Brito
  
  Ben Mack, the contributor of this piece of shit (which you put up Ballsack – I don’t have a problem with that), describes himself as gender-queer.
  
  Now when a bowl of fruit like this chap (I’m assigning you a gender Ben) suggests that uneducated, cisgender males are responsible for the rise in white supremacy, then we definitely have a problem. And for the record cisgender means you are the sex (not gender) you are assigned at birth. Some, Ben, are white supremacists. And some, Ben, like me, don’t give a shit. But, Ben, the more you ring fence me with your divisive opinion, the faster your fantasy will come to be.
  
  These people have protested in the past. Not just because Winston is in power. But that doesn’t fit your perspective or world view.
  
  Conveniently Ben forgets to discuss the rise of white supremacy throughout the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s (motorcycle gangs). He also conveniently never discusses the Maori/Pacific Island gangs because that doesn’t fit.
  
  He is exactly the type of muppet who will support the concept of a quota. There is a move afoot to develop quota’s for women. As in affirmative action! Australia is already doing it in the Universities and now it’s our turn. Watch that get rolled out.
  
  Ben writes for the Herald. As a cisgender, white male who works fucking hard for my money, I will actively work against the Herald and the other forms of media this poor confused fucker represents.
  
  Fuck you Ben and all who agree with your blighted opinion!!!!
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:28am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Very nicely put.
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:19am
- Prince
  
  What a great article.
  Of course the COL commenters are trying to shut it down, but nice to see some truths are emerging for the world to see.
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:39am
  - Brito
    
    Prince. The first gender queer to put his/her hand up for the Fuck You award.
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:55am
cmm

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/98664631/unusual-outcome-in-porirua-as-judge-gives-career-criminal-a-chance-to-retrain

34 years old 77 prison sentences, but now he’s going to go straight… honest!

His mother said :”…All we need is one more chance.”. Right.

“The judge sentenced Johnson to 18 months of intensive supervision, cancelled existing fines of $782, and ordered him to do 150 hours of community work”

No wonder the shit-eating grin he has on his face!
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November 9, 2017 9:00am
- Digmen1
  
  So what happens when he does not do the community work?
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:10am
  - cmm
    
    If there’s any justice, the judge will go pick up litter in his place.
    
    They should never cancel fines. Rather suspend them. If you do your 150 hours and keep your nose clean for 2 years then we’ll cancel them.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:18am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Make his mother do the community service if he won’t. She vouched for her misunderstood, good boy. Perhaps she won’t be so willing to plead for leniency next time, and demand the judge actually issue him consequences for his bad actions.
      
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      November 9, 2017 2:13pm
- Digmen1
  
  And will the “judge” and his lawyer guaratee to re-emiburse the next victims in Full ?
  
  I am all for rehabilation, yes put him on trade training and help him to get a job. But no more chances. That is it!
  
  Why wasn’t that done after his first offence?
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:24am
  - cmm
    
    How about teaching them to be useful while they’re in the clink?
    
    No parole board until you:
    * Can read and write and have some numeracy skills.
    * Show some abilities to function as a normal member of society: keep your cell clean, work ethic etc.
    
    But no, we are not allowed to force prisoners to do anything they don’t want to do because the UN says so.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:36am
AgentBallSack

Is it still too early to discuss who smashed Jacindas pussy?
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November 9, 2017 9:00am
- dime
  
  a train?
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:16am
  - hullkiwi
    
    nah….more like her Auckland tram that ain’t arrived yet.
    
    Warped conspiracy theory I heard, the pussy never existed. But the cat had to be killed off, because the story was too big and someone might tell the truth to the media. this is because someone had offered to look after the cat while Toothy and Gaything are away in Wellington (or where ever). But problem the cat never existed, so they had to get rid of the cat and score some sympathy points in the process. Hence the sad tale(il) on Tuesday,
    
    Who knows if it is true?, but it is a good lie to spin…..
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:01pm
- Morrissey
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Chester “Fat Bastard” Borrows and Paula “Snitch” Bennett?
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:19am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    You really are a nasty piece of work, aren’t you Morrisey.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:39am
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      Hey don’t shoot the messenger! Just doing my job.
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:43am
      - flipper
        
        Are you part of the McCarten fraud ?. Is that what you are admitting? Seems that way.
        
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        November 9, 2017 10:15am
      - kowtow
        
        Trolling the internet is a job now?
        
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        November 9, 2017 10:59am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        ” Just doing my job”
        
        Piss off, you’re unemplloyable
        
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        November 9, 2017 11:26am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Your job as what exactly?
        
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        November 9, 2017 12:55pm
  - dime
    
    heh its funny when the left make fun of other peoples appearance. cause ya know that same leftist will go apeshit when someone else does it about a fellow lefty loser.
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:24am
    - GoVege
      
      Isn’t making fun of people’s appearances what “righties” do daily on KB??
      
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      November 9, 2017 5:51pm
      - realityczech
        
        Only the tooth fairy but i’d root her Vege so don’t read too much into it. 🙂
        
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        November 9, 2017 6:00pm
- JIV
  
  Or whether Labour may get some support from the Dead Cat Bounce
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:30am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    I note the churnalists at Stuffed are now calling it “the first cat”. God save us from 3 years of this shite.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:39am
    - Prince
      
      Apparently the cat received ‘tributes’ from world leaders, and flowers were gathered at St Ardern’s house.
      
      Seriously, it’s a cat. Or was.
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:45am
      - GoVege
        
        What are ya, prince, a speciesist?
        If you’d said that a few thousand years ago in Egypt, you’d be a dead human. 🙂
        
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        November 9, 2017 9:26pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Dead Cat Bounce”
    
    Nah TOP didn’t get in.
    
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    November 9, 2017 6:03pm
- Garbageman
  
  Doubt it was Gaylord ABS he looks a bit effeminate to be able to rise to the occasion
  
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  November 9, 2017 12:21pm
Keeping Stock

Nice to see that Granny Herald’s editorial staff have picked up on the significance of Winston Peters filing legal papers against four National MP’s the day before the General Election:

For two weeks last month, Winston Peters told the public he was negotiating in good faith with National and Labour, and asked the public to believe the country’s interest was uppermost in his concerns as he weighed up whether to support the incumbent Government for a fourth term, or install a Labour-led coalition.

It turns out he had initiated legal proceedings against leading National ministers the day before the election over the disclosure he had been receiving superannuation at the single rate for seven years while living with a partner.

Peters’ lawsuit is unwise on several levels. Most obviously, it reminds the public of a matter treated by all his rivals in the campaign as a genuine, though surprising, mistake.

Surprising, because no MP has taken a more intense political interest in the terms and conditions of NZ Superannuation than Peters over his long career.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11941856

Then there’s this:

It is disturbing that Peters seeks to have journalists reveal their sources through court discovery procedures. He evidently wants the court to order them to hand over phone records, notes and emails relating to his superannuation overpayment.

His attitude to news media going about their job leaves a lot to be desired and may come to pose a threat to press freedom if he now uses his position to try to put his antagonism into law.

But the main reason this lawsuit is unwise is it discredits his post-election negotiations and inevitably reflects on the Government he has chosen. It is now obvious there was extremely little possibility he could work with Bill English, Paula Bennett, Steven Joyce and Anne Tolley since he had initiated legal action against them the day before the election.

Is there a journalist in New Zealand with the testicular fortitude to ask Peters directly whether his “negotiations” with National were a sham? Even more importantly, someone needs to ask Jacinda Ardern and all those who were part of the Labour negotiating team whether Peters disclosed this legal move, or whether he played them like he played the people of New Zealand.

And to all those who voted for NZ First so Peters would keep National honest, thanks for nothing!
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November 9, 2017 9:01am
- Digmen1
  
  And to ask NZF MPs, if they wanted to go with National, which is why it took two days for Winston to convince/threaten them to go with Labour
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:12am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed. That needs to happen before Peters has a chance to introduce his waka-jumping legislation, which is the only way he can preserve caucus unity.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:37am
- cmm
  
  Peters is going to retire at the end of this term.
  
  He can burn all his bridges, shit his nest and break all his promises. What does he care?
  
  The only reason he wants the Waka Jumping rule is to prevent the other NZF members breaking away.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:40am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I doubt he will even complete this term cmm. I would frankly be surprised if he lasts much more than 12 months before his health makes it impossible for him to continue.
    
    And then, it’s going to be all on for young and old as Ron Mark, Tracey Martin, Shane Jones and their respective egos battle to replace him!
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:32am
  - Flash
    
    If that’s the case, let’s hope they time their jumps well.
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:55am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      It would be hilarious if his caucus refused to vote in favour for it. But since 90% of the fucking losers in Parliament are list MPs, unlikely. Which brings me to my next question – how many people can Winston sack and replace with others on the list?
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:12pm
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  He may well have been negotiating in good faith, even asked about the leaks. We don’t know that yet. I wouldn’t care which parties were involved, but it is evident that NZF may have lost votes as a result of the information. Good on Winston for exercising his rights, similar situations like this go back many years – putting them to bed one way or the other would be an obvious help. Arguably it is in the public interest when ‘leaks’ whether true or not impact on the democratic process.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:44am
  - wiseowl
    
    It was NZ First that was negotiating.The Party.
    The leak obviously had an effect on voters but it is important to separate the issue about what was a private matter from the position post election.
    I would suggest that WP did negotiate in good faith as part of the NZ First Party.
    At the time of filing the papers he did not know how the election was going to turn out so it is not right to suggest otherwise.
    The ‘leak’ was a dirty tactic and is the type of behaviour that we don’t need in this country.
    (I have nothing to do with NZ First)
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:39am
- Prince
  
  To answer your question, no, there is no journalist in NZ who would ask Peters, or Ardern, those questions.
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:48am
Morrissey

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Ten Reasons We Got Rid of National
No. 5: Bill “Double Dipper” English

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/2711246/Bill-English-defends-taxpayer-cash-for-house

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201856404/pm-s-claim-homelessness-in-hamilton-all-but-eliminated-disputed
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November 9, 2017 9:05am
- Digmen1
  
  What is this “we” you speak of?
  You needed 3 parties and a corrupt old man to do it.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:15am
  - Morrissey
    
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    National needed FOUR parties, one of which was the most bizarre assemblage of halfwits and nutbars outside of the Trump regime….
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11210373
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4133210/Crucial-information-omitted-in-Garrett-case
    
    https://cdn.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/John-Banks-in-dock.jpg?x57220
    
    http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3216/834/400/RodneyHide.jpg
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:26am
    - lifesgood
      
      Are you on day release from the looney bin, Morrissey.
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:41am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Yeah. Those damn facts though, pesky and stubborn things.
        Best thing to do with factual evidence you don’t like is to abuse and belittle the messenger. (although I feel he doesn’t care)
        
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        November 9, 2017 11:31am
      - Brito
        
        Yes he does.
        
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        November 9, 2017 11:46am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Just down tick and don’t engage. Eventually, he’ll get the message.
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:31am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      He’s laughing at you.
      
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      November 9, 2017 11:32am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Marxists don’t laugh. They only sneer.
        
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        November 9, 2017 11:59am
      - Garbageman
        
        Na hes probably been banned from the shithole that is the Standard again and needs to vent somewhere as his own blog has tumbleweeds blowing through it
        
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        November 9, 2017 12:24pm
    - Brito
      
      No he isn’t.
      
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      November 9, 2017 11:47am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Oh yes the superannuation ‘rort’ initiated by the Greens – whereby they invest their parliamentary superannuation payments in property that they then lease back to parliamentary services for their own occupation. Hard to summarise in a sound-bite, and so to the short attention span left-wing it is high crime, but obviously different when the Greens did it.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:18am
Jack5

Barely printable?

Barely Sober in the Hooerald today is on about Ardern’s age, and what in the past he has seen as old-fart political leaders.

With Barely Sober’s sprightly Mrs No.2 a few decades younger than himself, Barely has got an eye for middle-aged and younger ladies.

But would the Hooerald of two or three decades ago printed such garbage as Barely spouts?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11941949
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November 9, 2017 9:10am
- lifesgood
  
  I thought she was Mrs number 3. Pretty bad track record, eh?
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:43am
  - ex-golfer
    
    Slow learner
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:24am
    - sooty
      
      Everytime he looses half his money, so today he’s worth half a farthing!
      
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      November 9, 2017 7:42pm
flipper

Apropos those legal matters, I wonder whether taxpayer/Crown Law will be meeting the costs for English, Bennett, Tolley, Boyle and Eagleson since all were on the taxpayer’s shilling at the time, were they not ????

Not certain about Eagleson’s position, but the others were Crown employees the time.
I have not enquired, but it seems to me that the media will not be happy about this matter because they will be left telling the Court and Peters to get stuffed. Either sources are protected by the media at the cost of jail time, or they are exposed as charlatans. And respect of the latter, that is exactly what they are until they prove that they are not paper tigers. At the same time they should go fishing in another bl0gger’s pond. Sources provided to that pond seem awfully similar to Peters’ protestations. No …,. ????
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November 9, 2017 9:13am
Jack5

What’s going on with Xero and the NZ Stock Exchange?

The exchange’s most successful technology company is to de-list. It’s shares will trade only on the Australian Stock Exchange.

This is a kick in the teeth for the NZ exchange. But the fees aren’t extortionate. Why would NZ-based Xero do this? What’s in it for Xero?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11941993
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November 9, 2017 9:16am
- Brito
  
  We’re too small. Xero has global aspirations and that requires a massive cash injection which you can’t get from NZ.
  
  They’ll go from strength to strength unlike the author of the article who can’t spell…grrr!!!!
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:53am
  - KevOB
    
    They’ll go from strength to strength..
    How many millions have they burnt through so far without any profit? Cashflow out is not income–hope is not an adequate substitute.
    
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    November 9, 2017 3:22pm
    - Brito
      
      You have to spend in that business then you gain market traction and then you….sell.
      
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      November 9, 2017 4:45pm
      - KevOB
        
        Hundreds of millions in a competitive market for a basic accounting system derivative? The principles are invariant the rest is marketing.
        
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        November 9, 2017 6:11pm
      - Brito
        
        Exactly.
        
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        November 9, 2017 7:42pm
Digmen1

Yes, its real strange that National and most of us gave Winston the benefit of the doubt. (I did)
Yet he got so angry about it!

But Now, due to his antics, I want to see the original from that he (as a trained lawyer) signed. As well as any yearly declarations all superannuniatants have to sign.
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November 9, 2017 9:26am
DifferentPerspective

On kneeling

Why aren’t Pasifika and Maori All Blacks feeling the need to kneel to protest:
– minority imprisonment rates
– minority homelessness rates
– minority obesity
etc

like the non-white sporting brothers in the USA?

Are they racist too? Or are they Uncle Toms?

Or are they just not losers like Kaepernick et al?
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November 9, 2017 9:27am
- Morrissey
  
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  Kaepernick is one of the best athletes in the United States. He also has a brain and a conscience.
  
  You?
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:31am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Pity Kaepernik is too stupid to use them. He is a disgrace to the Flag
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:36am
    - Morrissey
      
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      1.) How is he stupid?
      2.) How exactly is he “a disgrace to the flag”?
      3.) How long have you idolised flags?
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:40am
      - Jack5
        
        1) How long have you been blog quiz master?
        2) How did you become an expert in athletes’ brains?
        3) How long did it take to cross from the Standard to Kiwiblog?
        
        Let’s screw this!
        
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        November 9, 2017 9:53am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        You figure it out clever one
        
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        November 9, 2017 10:02am
      - stigie
        
        4) how long will it be to gather 30 downticks..?
        
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        November 9, 2017 10:08am
  - flipper
    
    There are fuckwits out there… then there kapernickers and the likes of you, dumbass
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:19am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Kaepernick is one of the best athletes in the United States’
    
    Lol. You really know fuck all eh. And perhaps his girlfriend shouldn’t have cast racist aspersions at the owner of the team who was probably going to make him an offer! Not sure suing the NFL is going to help either.
    He’s stuffed now.
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:11am
- Morrissey
  
  New Zealand athletes DO protest for human rights. Maori player Kane Hames wanted to wear an armband showing his support for the Standing Rock water protectors last year, but his timid coach Colin Cooper forbade it….
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11744446
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:59am
  - All_on_Red
    
    You mean the Standing Rock Polluters.
    They amount of rubbish and filth they left behind was huge. Acres of it. It took ages to clean up.
    
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    November 9, 2017 12:44pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      And like many Maori Iwi, the main issue was how much money would be handed over / stumped up / payola’d to run the last 2 miles of pipeline over sacred ground
      
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      November 9, 2017 3:02pm
- ross411
  
  That kneel is a submission act. Do you do a violent war dance to suggest you’re going to fuck up your opponent fuguratively on the field, or do you kneel like a pussy?
  
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  November 9, 2017 2:04pm
Morrissey

What’s the Japanese word for “vassal”?

Answer:
EITHER 1.) 家臣 OR 2.) 安倍晋三

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/11/05/05/4606825C00000578-0-image-a-17_1509859965863.jpg
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November 9, 2017 9:39am
- Kimbo
  
  Not “Greater East Asia co-Prosperity Sphere”? 😉
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_East_Asia_Co-Prosperity_Sphere
  
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  November 9, 2017 12:20pm
kowtow

Not so welcome after all.

“The number of attacks on refugee homes has dropped sharply since the height of the refugee crisis. But so far this year crimes have included arson and the detonation of explosives.
In the first nine months of this year, 211 attacks took place against refugee shelters in Germany, according to Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) statistics published by the Neue Osnabrücker Zeitung on Monday.”

https://www.thelocal.de/20171106/attacks-on-refugee-homes-still-taking-place-almost-daily-report
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November 9, 2017 9:39am
- cmm
  
  A bit rich calling those “attacks”.
  
  Sure arson and explosives are attacks, but over a third of the “attacks” are graffiti and likely some of that is self inflicted.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:48am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Missed by the ever informed MSM is the 24 bomb/grenade/explosive attacks in Malmo, Sweden in the last month alone. It’s almost like there’s an agenda
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:49am
  - Digmen1
    
    And Al Jazeera features daily bomb blasts in Iraq and Yemen and Afghanistan, but none in Sweden!
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:18am
    - Morrissey
      
      So you’re saying Sweden is comparable to Iraq, Yemen, and Afghanistan?
      
      https://memegenerator.net/img/images/600×600/1291172/homer-facepalm.jpg
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:31am
Jack5

You know Labour is in trouble and near-panic when fuckwits like Morrissey and Splooge slink in from the Standard to try to disrupt Kiwiblog.

Let’s screw this!
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November 9, 2017 9:45am
- SPLOOGE
  
  Again Jackoff is making up the dialogue to suit.
  Let me tell you something and I’ll try and keep it simple so that you’ll understand.
  I’m not in the Standard.
  I’m here .
  Do you understand now Jackoff?
  Pffft. talk about a dim witted simpleton.
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:35am
  - Brito
    
    No he isn’t.
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:54am
  - dime
    
    yeah! splooge is here til national are back in power! then youll never see it again.
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:56am
AgentBallSack

I own cats so don’t think of me as callous – it’s hard to lose any pet. But in this case while he has no idea on how to express his thoughts without coming across as a complete shit head and sociopath, Gareth Morgan does have a point regarding wandering moggy.
That makes it twice this year he has been right. An unsubstantiated rumour has it that a third time will cause him to disappear in a puff of his own hubris.
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November 9, 2017 9:46am
- publicwatchdog
  
  I think Gareth Morgan has just given any future political aspirations – a big, piggish, lip-sticked ‘kiss of death’.
  
  Decent New Zealanders, IMO, understand how upsetting is the death of a pet, and Gareth Morgan’s comments will not be forgotten…
  
  Penny Bright
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:17am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Decent New Zealanders also understand how upsetting it is to see political activists (*snigger) who refuse to pay their rates but continue to lecture them on dimwitted conspiracy theories.
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:37am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Hi Penny, you get an uptick from me for 2 reasons.
    1. I despise Gareth Morgan, so on one thing we agree
    2. A notable lack of shameless self promotion in your signature.
    
    Have a nice day 🙂
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:04am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      I thought of up ticking as well as the comment is the first I have read that is not just batshit crazy histrionics. But I have principles. But its the first I have not downticked… Saving those for the Moronic Morrisey
      
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      November 9, 2017 11:25am
Tom Barker

“a guy who was entitled to carry a gun saved dozens of lives because he was carrying a gun.”

This is an outright lie. The killer left the church after shooting most of the men, women and children inside. He was shot at as he was fleeing. He killed himself. Not a single life was saved by anyone carrying a gun near the church that day.
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November 9, 2017 9:46am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  That’s simply not true. The guy who killed the gunman did an interview on Louder with Crowder, and he tells his story very different to the MSM
  So either he is a lair or the MSM are.
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:18am
- simpleton1
  
  This situation was not considered very newsworthy.
  25th September Antioch Tennessee.
  Shooting by 25-year-old suspect Emanuel Kidega Samson — a Sudanese migrant
  
  “the church usher … ran to his car, got his gun, came back in, and made sure the gunman didn’t make any more movements until the police officers arrived,” ………..
  In a post from September 15, Caleb Engle shared a meme that explains his support for the Second Amendment. The points on the meme include: “When law-abiding citizens conceal & carry — criminals are confused. When law-abiding citizens reveal & chamber — criminals flee. When law-abiding citizens practice using their weapon — all people are safer.”
  
  Not rated as a mass killing as only one was killed and 7 injured, not enough were killed,. The “suspect” was not killed so possibly sub-judice, though when does that stop USA media?
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:35am
- BananaLlama
  
  You are the one lying Tom. Thanks to the bravery of an armed citizen countless more lives were saved whether you like it or not. Its not the first time this has happened either armed Texans have shot at and defended themselves from Muslim terrorists before.
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:13am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Pretty likely the shooter would have found more targets after he finishing with the church, so don’t agree.
  
  But in general agree that pervasive gun ownership does horrendous damage to USA. But it isn’t the whole story – eg Swiss also has very high gun ownership, but <10% of USA gun crime.
  
  How should USA go about fixing their problems?
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:42am
  - cmm
    
    “How should USA go about fixing their problems?”
    
    First ignore the shit that makes the headlines. The “mass shootings” only account for something like 2% of the shootings in USA.
    
    The vast majority are gang members shooting each other etc. and would just use knives instead.
    
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    November 9, 2017 12:09pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone read this? The solution should be simple. Ikaroa-Rawhiti MP and Minister of Customs Meka Whaitiri could buy the house off her brother and let her mother say for life at what Labour thinks is a fair rent.

Dispute over Whaitiri family home reaches tenancy tribunal

https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/11/general_debate_9_november_2017.html#comments
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November 9, 2017 10:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Why does clicking on this link take me back to the first page of GD?
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:36am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Now that chuck has outed himself with pinko first, there’s no point in trying to get anything right anymore.
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:44am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    FYI
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11941914
    
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    November 9, 2017 1:24pm
Digmen1

Climate Change
Climate Change
Climate Change

Everytime I turn on the tv I am hearing about this weather event or fire or storm, or drought or flood being due to Climate Change.

They had those things way back in the Bible!

It just turns me right off!
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November 9, 2017 10:23am
- Brito
  
  I used to think Brian Cox was one of the brightest stars in our galaxy. But after listening to him label all people who are against his brand of statistical interpretation as morons…I’ve gone off him.
  
  Global warming – pah!!!!!!
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:37am
  - cmm
    
    He’s looking after his mates in academia.
    
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    November 9, 2017 12:02pm
Hugh Pavletich

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… Important Australian report …

NZ PM Jacinda Ardern pledges widespread NZ housing reform … MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/speech-throne-pledges-widespread-nz-housing-reform/

By Leith van Onselen

I noted in the lead-up to the New Zealand General Election, held on 23 September, that Labour had an excellent housing platform that addresses both supply and demand distortions via negative gearing reform, banning foreign buyers of existing homes, tighter capital gains taxes, removal of urban growth boundaries, plus bond financing for infrastructure. Its plan to reduce immigration by around a third is also sound, and would help to relieve chronic housing and infrastructure pressures, especially around Auckland. … read more via hyperlink above …
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November 9, 2017 11:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  It will all end in tears Hugh, and you know it.
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:38am
  - ross411
    
    The only reason hugh likes it, is he knows it is a gravy train and he plans to be the first on Jacinda’s teat.
    
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    November 9, 2017 2:07pm
- cmm
  
  The solution to regulations is not more regulation but taking them away.
  
  The only policy I agree with is removing urban growth boundaries.
  
  They want to reduce immigration, but increase refugees. So keep out the productive people that help grow the economy (because they don’t tend to vote for hand outs), but increase the people who are dependent on the state (because they do vote for hand outs).
  
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  November 9, 2017 12:00pm
SPLOOGE

Jacinda Ardern is doing a wonderful job as PRIME MINISTER.
LABOUR is a great party and so much more inclusive of all New Zealanders.
I’m so happy.
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November 9, 2017 11:40am
- Brito
  
  No she isn’t.
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:55am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Yes she is Brito…and you know it.
    
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    November 9, 2017 12:26pm
    - Brito
      
      No I don’t.
      
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      November 9, 2017 12:41pm
    - Brito
      
      No I don’t!
      
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      November 9, 2017 12:41pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Make the most of your happiness while it lasts Splodge. Your disappointment won’t be far away.
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:55am
- cmm
  
  The only part of me that feels included by Labour is my wallet.
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:57am
- stigie
  
  Give it 3 years Splurge and those words will come back and bite you hard on the arse as the expectations from Bill English to do better than National which was Liarbour’s election promise is one huge ask !~
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:57am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Then you must agree with this article. Afterall PM Ardern is on record as stating she is a “progressive”
  
  https://politicallyshort.com/2015/07/27/yesterdays-communist-is-todays-progressive/
  
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  November 9, 2017 12:05pm
  - Inandout
    
    It’s just a nicer name and more acceptable than commie.
    
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    November 9, 2017 12:09pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      She’s a social democrat, and progressive on social issues. Neither of those positions make her a communist.
      
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      November 9, 2017 12:40pm
      - realityczech
        
        Communists always call themselves Socialists. She is a classic authoritarian Communist in her thinking and approach.
        
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        November 9, 2017 12:43pm
      - Longknives
        
        ‘Comrades,Comrades,Comrades’
        ‘Capitalism has Failed!’
        
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        November 9, 2017 2:23pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Must I?
    I don’t think so.
    
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    November 9, 2017 12:24pm
- Garbageman
  
  pitiful baiting splooge and people think giving children tablets to play with was a good idea your contributions prove otherwise
  
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  November 9, 2017 12:46pm
rightoverlabour

I suggest next time the teacher stand there and let the kid beat the other kids up. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/98706191/call-for-common-sense-after-teacher-censured-for-carrying-child
And with that useless lying fucktard Hipkins in charge, this is only going to get worse. And they wonder why teachers are leaving in droves?
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November 9, 2017 11:41am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Should have just kicked his arse. He only behaves like this because his fucked up dysfunctional parent/s let him. Imagine what the little shit will be like when he grows up. Antifa?
  
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  November 9, 2017 11:52am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    He’ll probably be like a combination of Morrissey and Splooge.
    
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    November 9, 2017 11:57am
    - Brito
      
      Dear DF, for comments like this from CM please allow contributors the ability to uptick twice.
      
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      November 9, 2017 12:17pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        The pain is real.
        It’s only words brito, don’t let them get to you or you run the risk of looking like a butthurt whinger.
        
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        November 9, 2017 12:23pm
      - Brito
        
        No it isn’t.
        
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        November 9, 2017 12:42pm
softail 1450

Splodge ,lying again ,WTF happened to the holiday ,did the black q7 reject your “enormous girth”,or were you to tight to pay her ,,,,,,?
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November 9, 2017 12:30pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  I am on holiday. I fly out later tonight.
  
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  November 9, 2017 1:19pm
  - GazzaW
    
    One way?
    
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    November 9, 2017 1:39pm
  - softail 1450
    
    splooge ,no you are lying splooge ,stop gripping the gristle as tightly as you do ,it’s affecting your memory.
    
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    November 9, 2017 1:54pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Couldn’t she find that 8mm dick.
    
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    November 9, 2017 2:55pm
  - Brito
    
    Come on SPLOOGE get online wherever it is you are and tell us all about it.
    
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    November 9, 2017 3:10pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      I’m sitting at home.
      Later I get on the aeroplane.
      Then we arrive somewhere else.
      Do you pathetic try hard idiots understand that concept or are you still upset by words on an open forum?
      Bahahaaaa. You guys need to get a life.
      
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      November 9, 2017 3:15pm
      - Brito
        
        …try-hard…you need to hyphenate SPLOOGE
        
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        November 9, 2017 4:42pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Pyongyang is nice at this time of the year.
      
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      November 9, 2017 4:32pm
  - KevOB
    
    Are you needed in Vietnam?
    
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    November 9, 2017 6:13pm
Stars And Stripes

Good to see some other companies getting in behind Fonterra’s “Milk In Schools” programme and offering a helping hand.
Announced today:
1.Asian joint Noodle Express have said all leftover food will be packaged into snack boxes and donated to lower IQ schools.
Program to be called “Cats In Schools “.
2.Fruit company Dole have said produce will be donated daily to select schools in the Auckland area.
Program to be called “Coconuts In Schools “.
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November 9, 2017 12:58pm
softail 1450

splooge, come on splooge explain the lies you told yesterday about “the holiday” or forever be considered to be just a lying sack of shit ,,,,
IM WAITING ,,, YOU LIVE IN A FANTASY WORLD DONT YOU SPLOOGE,,,A REAL LIFE WALTER MITTY.
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November 9, 2017 1:07pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  Ohhh softarse. You really are easily triggered.
  But as I said earlier I am on holiday. Life is a holiday. I fly out later tonight. (on a aeroplane)
  
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  November 9, 2017 1:21pm
  - geoff3012
    
    Broomstick…..
    
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    November 9, 2017 1:33pm
    - Jack5
      
      Stooge’s 1.21 post includes:
      
      I fly out later tonight. (on a aeroplane)
      
      Stooge, you are exceedingly thick, even for a Leftist troll. Do you have a third-class seat on the wing? Or perhaps you’ll be in a wheel well with some border crashers.
      
      But who is looking after the luxury yacht while you are away? And are you sure the BIG Audi is safely parked?
      
      The truth is that trolls holiday under bridges. If you’re there long enough Jacinderella will re-home you.
      
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      November 9, 2017 1:39pm
  - Brito
    
    …an aeroplane….
    
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    November 9, 2017 4:41pm
- lifesgood
  
  What do you mean “he will be considered a lying sack of shit”. He already is. He’s a fantasist, an unemployed dole bludger who has never been on a plane in his life, doesn’t have an audi, in fact doesn’t have a car or yacht or an enormous dick. All wishful thinking. He’s a complete waste of space with a mental problem. I’m not sure wether to despise or pity him. Yeah, nah, I’ll go with despise.
  
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  November 9, 2017 6:36pm
GazzaW

Question Time starts in 20 minutes.

No leaders on the House today but enough good experienced Nats there to throw a few curly ones to the Opposition. How Trev performs will be interesting.
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November 9, 2017 1:42pm
- Johnboy
  
  3 minutes to go….tuned in to Sky 86…popcorn at the ready! 🙂 🙂
  
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  November 9, 2017 1:56pm
- softail 1450
  
  gazzaW ,it will be a great watch ,a shitfight ,,,,
  
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  November 9, 2017 1:56pm
Manolo

As if nobody noticed it:
https://news.grabien.com/story-brazile-clinton-campaign-it-was-cult-i-felt-it-was-cult

The “arrogant” Clinton campaign was more like a “cult” than a political campaign.

That startling accusation came … not front a Republican, but the former chairman of the DNC, Donna Brazile.
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November 9, 2017 1:51pm
- ross411
  
  Yeah, she rigged the debate at the time, now she profits off her own behaviour by writing a book.
  
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  November 9, 2017 2:09pm
Johnboy

Kelvin’s not very bright is he? How the fuck did he get to be deputy PM? 🙂
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November 9, 2017 2:15pm
- Manolo
  
  It is only NZ after all…
  
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  November 9, 2017 2:26pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Well he had the right qualifications (right kind of great great great grandparents), and a heartbeat.
  
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  November 9, 2017 5:12pm
Johnboy

Dear dear. Steven Joyce has dug down into a fiscal hole and found a bottomless pit! 🙂
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November 9, 2017 2:23pm
RF

Spare a thought for socialist Cindy as she sips bubbly from her plastic fluted glass (real glass would clink against her teeth) whilst flying to Vietnam.

I trust that being a loyal communist she would be rubbing shoulders with the other sweaty lefty members down the back leaving Capitalist dogs to sit up the front.

I am presuming she is flying courtesy of our airforce that H1 gutted.
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November 9, 2017 2:34pm
Johnboy

Dear dear Twyford’s just shrugged off $50m of our money as a useful expenditure to demonstrate the efficacy of pissing into the wind.
Still he should know. His ancestors were renowned toilet manufacturers! 🙂
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November 9, 2017 2:43pm
Johnboy

Dear dear. The dreadful bloated Shane Jones stands up in parliament and confirms to us all that he is in fact still a wanker! 🙂
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November 9, 2017 2:49pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Observations on the first 40 minutes or so of question time (gave up watching when Eugenie got up).
  1. Mallard is going to be a pretty good Speaker.
  2. Joyce tied Robertson in knots.
  3. Shane Jones made a complete dick of himself.
  4. Golriz looked like she was dying of terminal boredom.
  
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  November 9, 2017 2:55pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Joyce wants his revenge. About $11.7 billion worth.
    
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    November 9, 2017 3:18pm
    - Happychappy
      
      You would have thought Sweet Cheeks would have been like a cat on hot bricks with proof of no eleven billion hole but made himself look second rate with weak fishy answers.
      
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      November 9, 2017 6:05pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I hate to admit it. Much as I dislike the bloody ugly little turd. I tend to agree with you that Mallard showed promise as speaker. 🙂
    
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    November 9, 2017 3:33pm
  - Prince
    
    Jones looked the weakest. Waffling buffoon with an inflated view of self-importance. My money’s on him as first to crumble.
    
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    November 9, 2017 3:37pm
  - softail 1450
    
    golriz was texting the whole time ,good start .
    
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    November 9, 2017 5:01pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Serious failure on No1 CM. Started proceedings with a watered down “prayer” in native gibberish changed at his whim. Stepping with substitute answers when Ministers failed or stumbled to avoid answering. Seems to think supplementary questions are some trading token to be taken or granted at his whim. All he achieved was downgrading a valuable part of the Parliamentary process but did lift the laugh level.
    
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    November 9, 2017 5:05pm
- Digmen1
  
  But he does say that he wants his cousins to get up in the morning and do some work!’
  
  I also like his command of the English language, he cracks some good one liners!
  
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  November 9, 2017 3:31pm
  - Johnboy
    
    He’s only good at cracking a fat with a vaselined hand and a dirty video Dig mate! 🙂
    
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    November 9, 2017 3:37pm
    - softail 1450
      
      johnboy ,,my old dad used to say “there’s only two sorts of men son ,those who deny masterbating and those who have been caught.and jones was caught “red handed”.
      
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      November 9, 2017 5:19pm
Johnboy

Dear dear. Jan Logie confirms she is in fact an idiot! 🙂
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November 9, 2017 2:53pm
- RF
  
  Was she wearing happy pants as she appeared quite excited.
  
  Must have changed her battery.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:31pm
Manolo

Saint Bono deserves to be exposed and ridiculed:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/4857432/bono-tax-dodge-paradise-papers-james-delingpole-opinion/

Bono is one of the celebrities exposed in the Paradise Papers data leak. Like last year’s Panama Papers, it involves the release of private documents detailing some of the tax avoidance schemes used by the rich and powerful.
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November 9, 2017 2:57pm
Johnboy

I was saddened to read today that Antonio Carluccio died. I’ve just noticed that he lives on as Gerry Brownlee. 🙂
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November 9, 2017 3:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Good taste Johnboy.
  
  He was of one my favourite chefs.
  
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  November 9, 2017 3:22pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I particularly loved his line…”Just a leetle ofa the olivea oila…glug..glug…glug…just a leetle” ! 🙂
    
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    November 9, 2017 3:25pm
rangitoto

Looks like CoL ministers have come up with a standard answer to swat away the opposition questions. Paraphrased as:

“We don’t have a clue”.

Ps. Trev seems to be doing a good job as speaker.
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November 9, 2017 3:25pm
Brito

Watched Jan Logie ‘perform’ just before. Where the fuck did they dredge her up from? What a dazzling a speech?

She condemned National for focusing on money and then had the temerity to say, “I know money is important.”
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November 9, 2017 3:45pm
- Johnboy
  
  Shit I haven’t watched parliament TV for years but I tell you what with this bunch of monkeys in charge it sure beats reruns of Attenborough! 🙂
  
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  November 9, 2017 3:51pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, she should realise that without a strong economy you cannot have lots of jobs, good health service, well paid teachers etc etc
  
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  November 9, 2017 4:09pm
AgentBallSack

Daily reminder.
It’s okay to be white.
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November 9, 2017 4:18pm
- Johnboy
  
  Not in Cannons Creek! 🙂
  
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  November 9, 2017 4:19pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Cannons Creek named top property ‘hot spot’ for investors, first-home buyers
    
    Paula Mac Ewan has lived in her Cannons Creek home for 17 years and doesn’t want out-of-town investors buying up the houses.
    
    “I want an engaged community that invest in our roots and don’t just take advantage of cheap mortgages. It’s the heart of Porirua here… it’s a bit slower-paced because islanders love to walk and talk and it’s good to slow down, life is too fast. What better place is there that’s far away enough from the city for the quiet but close enough for the fun?”
    
    Are “islanders love to walk and talk” and “it’s good to slow down” excuses for not finding gainful employment?
    
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    November 9, 2017 4:41pm
    - Johnboy
      
      The mother in law lived there almost fifty years ago. Calliope Cres. I can still hear the sound of clubs beating hollow logs if I think back to those days. If only it had been clubs beating the mother in laws skull! 🙂
      
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      November 9, 2017 4:46pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Johnboy:
        
        the sound of clubs beating hollow logs
        
        Was that before or after the war dance?
        
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        November 9, 2017 4:47pm
      - Johnboy
        
        Every Sunday at the church hall next door to her place! 🙂
        Preachers have always had a fuckin lot to answer for! 🙂
        
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        November 9, 2017 4:51pm
- Digmen1
  
  and male
  
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  November 9, 2017 7:17pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Fuck mate, now you’re pushing it!
    
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    November 9, 2017 7:41pm
kowtow

Here we go.

“References to the Queen and Jesus Christ have been dropped from the parliamentary prayer delivered in Te Reo by the new Speaker of the House.”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/343421/jesus-queen-dropped-from-parliament-prayer
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November 9, 2017 4:41pm
- Nostradamus
  
  English:
  
  Almighty God, we give thanks for the blessings which have been bestowed on New Zealand.
  
  Laying aside all personal interests, we pray for guidance in our deliberations, that we may conduct the affairs of this House with wisdom and humility, for the public welfare and peace of New Zealand.
  
  Amen
  
  Maori:
  
  E Te Atua Kaha Rawa, Ka tuku
  whakamoemiti atu mātou, mō ngā karakia
  kua waihotia mai ki runga o Aotearoa.
  Ka waiho nei I ō mātou pānga whaiaro
  katoa ki te taha, nei rā ēnei e īnoi atu ana
  mō Tō ārahitanga, I roto i ō mātou
  whakaaroarohanga, ā, kia whakahaere ai
  e mātou ngā take o Te Whare nei, I runga
  i te mōhio, me te whakaiti mō te oranga,
  te maungārongo, o te tūmatanui o Aotearoa.
  Amene
  
  With a “prayer” that long, it’s hard to see how Parliament will get anything done!
  
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  November 9, 2017 4:46pm
  - Johnboy
    
    We must blame all of this disaster on Wikitoria Nostradamus old chap. If we’d pursued the standard route of colonisation all this crap would be historic! 🙂
    
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    November 9, 2017 4:50pm
- Swifty
  
  I think it highly appropriate and overdue to drop the Jesus reference – it is our House of Representatives, and an increasing minority of NZers claim that they have a ‘lord’ and that his name is JC.
  
  Now we just need to move on the ‘Almighty God’ bit.
  
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  November 9, 2017 4:49pm
  - Johnboy
    
    And here was us thinking that a small, but significant number of NZers, mainly wimmen, have a Goddess and her name is JA! 🙂
    
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    November 9, 2017 5:01pm
    - Swifty
      
      True – how could I have missed that JB!
      
      🙂
      
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      November 9, 2017 5:44pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    All of NZ First swore on the bible not affirmed apparently.
    
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    November 9, 2017 7:41pm
- treadingthemill
  
  References to the Queen and Jesus Christ
  
  I don’t think the Queen will care and most Kiwis are no longer Christians.
  
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  November 9, 2017 5:10pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    I am atheist but I don’t think we should do away with references to a higher power that may smite our country or persona with various curses, diseases and destruction should we break our word.
    An oath should be a serious business and unless we come up with a new one threatening female genital mutilation, castration sans anesthesia and a jolly good rogering if you fuck us off, we should keep it.
    Next step will be wishing one another Happy Holidays!
    
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    November 9, 2017 7:47pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      Given the nature of Parliament as a place of conflict, and your desire for a serious oath with dire consequences for oath-breaking, I suggest one to the Morrigan.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Morrígan
      
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      November 9, 2017 8:13pm
- Piniwi
  
  What a shame kowtow. The whole place is being turned into a sorry sideshow and while motherhood is normal it is no place for babies. Why are they not grabbing PPL? Waiting for it to be extended?
  
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  November 9, 2017 6:44pm
rightoverlabour

It’s all very good having Maori as an official language parliament but there is some twat prattling away in stoneage, and one knows what the fuck he is going on about. How the fuck is that helpful to us the voters, when we don’t have a clue? If I ever meet n MP from the COL, I’ll speak Afrikaans to them. (Second most spoken Language on the North Shore)
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November 9, 2017 4:48pm
holysheet

Just tuned into Parliament TV and for the past 15 mins have been inundated with a stoneager talking te reo. No body is listening to him let alone understand him. If he had anything of importance to say, he would make sure he was speaking in a language we can all understand. But its all just wasting our money. At the end of this diatribe, the maori assistant speaker virtually apollogised to the rest of the house for their not understanding what the stoneager had actually said.
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November 9, 2017 4:50pm
- treadingthemill
  
  or the past 15 mins have been inundated with a stoneager talking te reo.
  
  The stone age ended thousands of years ago. There are no stone agers left.
  
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  November 9, 2017 5:08pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The stone age in NZ ended only 250 years ago.
    
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    November 9, 2017 5:22pm
  - rangitoto
    
    The stone age still exists today in a few cases. A well known example being:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentinelese
    
    Who would be described as having a paleolithic (old stone age) culture. When Europeans first arrived in New Zealand the Maori culture would be correctly described as neolithic (new stone age).
    
    In a similar way the bronze and iron ages didn’t start at the same same in all places and cultures.
    
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    November 9, 2017 5:34pm
- softail 1450
  
  HS ,get used to it we’ve got three years of this liberal shit to get thru ,yesterday tamiti coffee spoke of having some kids with his male partner, how’s that going to work out for him ?
  
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  November 9, 2017 5:10pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    Surrogate mother or adoption. Pretty easy really.
    
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    November 9, 2017 5:13pm
  - Piniwi
    
    Yes softail1450. Like the chook laying square eggs. Awkward.
    
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    November 9, 2017 5:16pm
Nostradamus

Trevor Mallard dresses for the occasion:

At one point, Mallard stood to issue an instruction only to be undermined by his own gown falling down. He promptly sat back down again, grinned as he hauled the gown back up and assured members he would learn to dress himself at some point. The gown did earn him a rare compliment from Chris Finlayson, who observed how aesthetically pleasing it was compared to that “that very odd fur thing” former Speaker David Carter had worn. He did have a further suggestion for Mallard’s wardrobe – a full-bottomed wig.

I wonder what David Carter was thinking!
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November 9, 2017 4:59pm
- Piniwi
  
  What a sight N. But when it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and then sits like a duck we must be seeing a duck. Early duck season?
  
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  November 9, 2017 5:12pm
- Johnboy
  
  He was thinking. “Why the fuck is he using my Murri sheepskin as a fucking footwarmer” There fixed it for you Nostra! 🙂
  
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  November 9, 2017 5:55pm
rightoverlabour

Along with the daily General Debate, I think we need a daily “Lets Abuse Winston” post. LAW for short. It’s his fault we have the COL, it’s his fault the NZ dollar tanked, it’s his fault 47% of the country are depressed, angry and fearful for the future. Every time I read some smarmy comment form the Communists, or hear their harridans shriek in parliament, or see Hipkins’s lying face, a surge of intense hatred and loathing emanates from my being. Having a LAW post would go some way to alleviate this lamentable situation.
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November 9, 2017 5:17pm
- Johnboy
  
  We really should have a “How is Winstons lung cancer progressing” post. After all we shouldn’t be kept in the dark about the state of health of the folk that rule us because it’s regarded as sensitive by them. 🙂
  
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  November 9, 2017 5:59pm
  - Johnboy
    
    And if you think I’m being a cunt just remember I smoked up to 45 a day for thirty years until 20 years ago and I know that the lung cancer will one day get me. And I’m not pretending I’m running our country. Mark my words. Winston is a dead man walking. For the first time in his life he should try being honest with the stupid bastards that voted for him instead of being a complete and utter tosser.
    Over to you Winston…..the truth would be nice for once though I suspect the truth and you are two completely different concepts.
    
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    November 9, 2017 6:05pm
    - realityczech
      
      “And if you think I’m being a cunt”
      
      You might have overlooked the fact he has more go than most guys much younger. Look what happened to the fresh faced organic vege eating young Green Party leader Rod Donald.
      
      I see fear in you. This is the path to the dark side.
      
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      November 9, 2017 6:15pm
      - Johnboy
        
        I give him to the end of next year rc. He might surprise me but he doesn’t look awfully well to me! 🙂
        
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        November 9, 2017 6:22pm
      - realityczech
        
        None of us look as good as we used to. Give the handsome old bugger a break.
        
        Don’t let me keep you from standing on the street with a sandwich board about clean living 🙂
        
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        November 9, 2017 6:29pm
      - Johnboy
        
        If you call grey complexioned, wrinkled and wizened handsome rc I think you should give me a call and we could get it on like proper socialist men! 🙂
        
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        November 9, 2017 6:35pm
      - Jack5
        
        Winnie’s body is as preserved by Johnny Walker as Admiral Nelson’s was in the cask of brandy after Trafalgar.
        
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        November 9, 2017 7:00pm
      - Jack5
        
        However, whether scotch can preserve brain tissue is an unsettled medical question.
        
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        November 9, 2017 7:08pm
  - realityczech
    
    I am OFFENDED !!! [chuckle]
    
    I voted for him dickwad. Only because National needed a bit more polishing and to learn humility. Key was super careful to be humble and said he could never be cocky as Kiwis were a socialist bunch. Smart guy. Fancy me voting for a Jew banker eh ? 🙂
    
    Bill is a humble guy who cares, but needs to learn how to show his inner lefty. I hope he monsters the next election. Even though he is a bloody Catholic !
    
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    November 9, 2017 6:08pm
    - lifesgood
      
      So what’s wrong with being a “bloody Catholic”? A reasoned response, please. What has he done to hurt you? Jacinda was brought up a “bloody mormon” didn’t teach her much did it?
      
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      November 9, 2017 6:45pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Also brought up the daughter of a National MP. What the fuck happened Jacinda? All my kids know if they ever become leftards they will be disowned. There’s social justice but first it has to be countered with social responsibility, commonly called getting a fucking job and paying your own way to learn the value of a dollar.
        Ah. I just answered my own question re Jacinda, didn’t I?
        
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        November 9, 2017 7:55pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        So what’s wrong with being a “bloody Catholic”?
        
        It’s better to be a non-bloody Catholic.
        
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        November 9, 2017 8:01pm
rightoverlabour

Ahh, some excellent news for all housing investors.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/98662005/nz-property-market-starting-to-bounce-back-after-election–trade-me

If its true that house prices rise faster during COL governments, there may be a silver lining after all! Us capitalists won’t even have to say “Fuck the Poor”, Labour is going to do it for us anyway. (not that I actually subscribe to not giving a shit about the really poor, just those that choose to be).
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November 9, 2017 5:30pm
Johnboy

We can’t deport this monkey?
There is something inherently wrong with our justice system! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98686201/refugee-considered-dangerous-enough-to-deport-could-soon-be-back-on-the-streets
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November 9, 2017 6:19pm
- Jack5
  
  The report says of the refugee offender: “He had served time in a Kenyan jail for indecent assault … ”
  
  Why was he allowed into New Zealand?
  
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  November 9, 2017 6:50pm
  - Jack5
    
    Do you reckon there would be a lot more like him in the thousands of Muslims the Coalition Government’s Melon Greens want to bring into the country?
    
    Let’s screw this!
    
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    November 9, 2017 6:57pm
- GoVege
  
  Even his mother thinks he should go back to Somalia!
  Wonder how much this ungrateful creep has cost our country already?
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:46pm
Piniwi

What a disaster for NZ as the Toxic Trio start to turn the Parliamentary chamber into one big circus. The prayer has been denigrated, it is looking like a baby shower and it is being dominated by native gibberish. Bring on the referendum to abolish native seats as they are turning proceedings to a new low.
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November 9, 2017 6:38pm
- Longknives
  
  It’s a freaking shambles- Knew all the Labour/Greens women would drag their poor screaming kids into Parliament.
  They are trying to prove a point but still not sure exactly what that point is?
  
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  November 9, 2017 7:42pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I wonder how warm it gets in the debating chamber.
    
    I remember the smell of baby puke, wet nappies and milky poo poo could get a bit overwhelming at times.
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:03pm
  - kowtow
    
    But Campbell gushed over them ! So cute !
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:18pm
  - RF
    
    Christ… look forward to some randy green bonking his partner in the debating chamber……. consummating a partnership and 9 months later Mallard assisting with the birth.
    
    Those soap dodgers are dirty buggers.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:36pm
  - GoVege
    
    I think the point is that little babies should not be separated from their mummies and their milk supply.
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:49pm
    - GoVege
      
      Babies of ALL species…
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:51pm
Jack5

Labour has dropped “Jesus” from the Parliamentary prayer. I don’t recall any discussion. Just wham, the reference is out.

Churchgoers won’t like that. Or perhaps the non-PC churchgoers won’t like that. Some of the others seems as though they would happily let their churches be used as mosques.

The “Queen” is also dropped. Fucking republicans. Jacinderella’s dream is to enthrone Helen Clark as first president of the renamed Republic of Aotearoa.

The next step could be State-mandated, gender-free pronouns.

Let’s screw this!

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/343421/jesus-queen-dropped-from-parliament-prayer
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November 9, 2017 6:45pm
- realityczech
  
  The Jews will love it though Jacksie. I’m okay with dropping Geeeeeesus from it.
  
  “Let’s screw this!”
  
  I’d do the scrawny little communist bimbo 😉
  
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  November 9, 2017 6:48pm
  - Jack5
    
    Whoops!
    
    Sorry to Kowtow: didn’t check and find he was already on to this.
    
    Let’s screw this!
    
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    November 9, 2017 6:54pm
    - realityczech
      
      Great thing about converting to Atheism Jacksie is the ability to root anything without fear or prejudice.
      
      You might get it when you have finished your serviced and traveled a bit.
      
      Mah Shlom’chem
      
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      November 9, 2017 7:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kearealityczech notes: “….the ability to root anything without fear or prejudice….”
        
        ?Be careful! Syphilis and the clap are rebounding with vengeance.
        
        Time for a Woody Allen quote:
        
        “The difference between sex and love is that sex relieves tension and love causes it.”
        
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        November 9, 2017 7:50pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        “… sex relieves tension and love causes it.”
        
        Especially when you’re surreptitiously loving on your wifes adopted 15 year old daughter. I can see the quandary from here! And I’m not even Jewish
        
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        November 9, 2017 7:59pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kearealityczech addresses me in his post with his comment: Mah Shlom’chem,” which I understand translates as “how are you?”
        
        I am fine thanks, KRC – which I understand, courtesy the internet, in Hebrew is “Tov Me’od, Todah” (this is in roman characters).
        
        No, KRC, I don’t speak,understand, or read Hebrew. I wish I did. I like languages, and Hebrew has influenced our Kultur. ?
        
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        November 9, 2017 8:04pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jacksie thanks but clearly you are from New York
        
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        November 9, 2017 8:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Since the name of Woody Allen has come up, is it not interesting – and appropriate – that “woody” is slang for an erect penis?
        
        Tops “Peter O’Toole,” who was alleged to have seduced Elizabeth Taylor, Audrey Hepburn, Vivien Leigh, Diana Dors – even Princess Margaret.
        
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        November 9, 2017 9:01pm
  - Jack5
    
    The buzz in retirement villages up and down the country tonight:
    
    ?? Oh no! New Zealand First has colluded with the communist atheists in taking Christianity out of the Parliamentary prayer!
    
    ?Winnie? is apprentice to the Devil!
    
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    November 9, 2017 7:25pm
    - realityczech
      
      Try and control your hatred of the gentiles Jacksie. Jesus was bullshit but so was Moses.
      
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      November 9, 2017 7:32pm
    - Jack5
      
      Don’t laugh! Christmas could be the next to be trimmed! The Western-oriented Santa Claus, too!
      
      And “God defend NZ”. Perhaps the Maori version will be edited to say “taniwhas defend Aotearoa.”
      
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      November 9, 2017 8:08pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        A Taniwha might do a better job.
        
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        November 9, 2017 8:24pm
- treadingthemill
  
  The next step could be State-mandated, gender-free pronouns.
  
  It seems a bit of a leap to go from not mentioning Jesus in the Parliamentary prayer to mandated gender free pronouns.
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:05pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    You know who else hates Jesus? Communists!
    Who killed the Russian Royal family? Communists!
    
    No surprise this mob are doing away with references to God and the Queen, there will be a referendum on becoming a banana republic in the next 3 years.
    If we even get a choice.
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:15pm
  - Jack5
    
    TTM: how the liberal trendies work – one step at a time; water dripping on stone.
    
    It’s two years since the liberal New York Times opened its columns to gender-free pronouns.
    
    If the women in the Labour-Greens-Grandad Coalition don’t reflect a cross-section of NZ women, and I suspect they don’t, gender-free pronouns would be an easy quick target for them.
    
    If we don’t get “Mx Prime Minister” we might well get “Mx President” (of Aotearoa).
    
    The NY Times on gender-free pronouns:
    
    http://www.refinery29.com/2015/12/98710/new-york-times-gender-neutral-language-pronouns
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:16pm
- GoVege
  
  Really?
  Now that is just stupid.
  If it wasn’t for Jesus, God knows what a brutal bloody place this world would be.
  We need someone who was a great example to humankind.
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:54pm
Nostradamus

For Johnboy:

Sheep can recognise images of Barack Obama and Emma Watson, Cambridge University study finds

In a specially equipped pen, sheep were shown pictures of people on two computer screens. On one side would be an unknown person and on the other would be one of four celebrities. The animal would receive a reward of food for choosing the photograph of the celebrity by breaking an infrared beam near the screen displaying it. If they chose the wrong photograph, a buzzer would sound and they would receive no reward. The sheep eventually managed to identify the familiar face eight times out of every 10.

You might want to start training up Flossie, old chap?
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November 9, 2017 6:52pm
- Johnboy
  
  Too late. I divorced her and sent her off to the works with this years cull. Blossom and I are getting on rather well though. I suspect wedding bells will be ringing before too long! 🙂
  
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  November 9, 2017 6:57pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    You should have done a home-kill.
    Carluccio had some good lamb recipes
    http://antonio-carluccio.co.uk/recipes/fagiolini-con-agnello-e-pere/
    
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    November 9, 2017 7:09pm
  - GoVege
    
    You’re a modern day Henry the Eighth, John Boy!
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:01pm
- krazykiwi
  
  The sheep were all white! The researchers are clearly racist 🙂
  
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  November 9, 2017 6:58pm
- Jack5
  
  TVNZ news reader tonight comments on a video clip of Obama turning up for jury selection: “He’s a cool man.”
  
  This on the TV channel that rubbishes President Trump almost nightly.
  
  Good to see journalistic impartiality maintained.
  
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  November 9, 2017 7:05pm
  - Longknives
    
    Saw that- Pathetic.
    What happened to Newsreaders simply ‘Reading the News?’
    
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    November 9, 2017 7:44pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Larry Williams ZB drive last night:
    
    “The NZ media are nothing more than parrots for the liberal media in the US”
    
    It was refreshing to hear Larry being so candid
    
    Must be nice to get to an age in life where you can say what you think on air and not risk losing your job
    
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    November 9, 2017 8:03pm
  - GoVege
    
    But he IS a cool dude! 🙂
    
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    November 9, 2017 9:56pm
- GoVege
  
  If only they could speak as well.
  Apparently Voltaire said:
  “If animals could talk, would we then dare to kill and eat them?”
  
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  November 9, 2017 9:58pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    pretty unlikely, Voltaire was French.
    
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    November 10, 2017 8:47am
nasska

Old Johnboy had a farm

EIEIO

And on that farm he molested sheep

RSPCA
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November 9, 2017 6:58pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Perhaps you could add another line – just so GoVege doesn’t feel left out?
  
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  November 9, 2017 7:17pm
  - nasska
    
    Last night I saw a host of pale, emaciated figures with haunted eyes that showed the agony of living death.
    
    It was my first time in a vegan restaurant.
    
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    November 9, 2017 7:33pm
    - GoVege
      
      Stop bullsh*ting nasska!
      You wouldn’t be seen dead in a vegan restaurant.
      And Dame Patsy and Pam Anderson don’t look too emaciated…. 🙂
      
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      November 9, 2017 9:30pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Nasska’s brilliant observation reminded me of an Exclusive Brethren wedding that my wife and I attended about 20 years ago.
      The Best Man, in his tribute to the Groom said, and I am not kidding you;
      “One of the biggest thrills in my life was being involved with the Groom in a One on One bible study”. We were drinking sparkling grape juice at the time.
      Her indoors could not wait for the bridal party to leave, at which time she exclaimed;
      “Get me to a bar and fill me full of whisky!”
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:22pm
    - cha
      
      It was my first time in a vegan restaurant.
      
      Obligatory.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0O_VYcsIk8&feature=youtu.be
      
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      November 9, 2017 10:30pm
  - GoVege
    
    That’s very sweet of you Nostradamus.
    I’ll have to share some vegetarian recipes with you! 🙂
    
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    November 9, 2017 10:03pm
- Johnboy
  
  With a tup tup here and a tup tup there
  here a tup there a tup everywhere a tup tup !
  
  Oh what happy times before tracing the ancestry of your flock became mandatory! 🙂
  
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  November 9, 2017 7:17pm
stigie

“Oh what happy times before tracing the ancestry of your flock became mandatory!”

Isn’t that what his eminence said before enticing the altar boy up to his quarters..?
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November 9, 2017 8:34pm
- nasska
  
  Nah. “In the name of the Father, the Son & the Holy Ghost; let me feel your bottom” would be more like it. 🙂
  
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  November 9, 2017 8:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Polish folk seem to have forgotten how to make babies….

fortunately their Government has released some How to videos for ~~them~~ bunnies to watch.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/09/breed-like-rabbits-and-reverse-population-decline-poles-urged
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November 9, 2017 9:42pm
- GoVege
  
  Can’t they just import Muslim refugees like the rest of Europe?
  Oh hang on…their bennies aren’t as generous. 🙂
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:06pm
  - softail 1450
    
    vegetable , I’m astonished you just made that comment vege ,are you drunk ..?
    
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    November 10, 2017 7:08am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  My wife’s nephew in Wroslaw has just become a father. One of the chosen ones. His flat is just 600 metres from the Oder River.
  
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  November 9, 2017 10:28pm
RF

Watching the scrawny commie chic speaking in the house.

I could not put my finger on it but now i know……

Whilst she was on her feet speaking she was swaying from side to side. Reminded me of a praying mantis just before it strikes.

Starting to feel sorry for her current partner as she is obviously a very fragile high maintence person.

Prone to hysteria with a God complex.
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November 9, 2017 10:10pm
- softail 1450
  
  RF, wasn’t it strange ?at times she was actually swaying from side to side about 300mm,WTF.
  
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  November 10, 2017 7:09am
cha

Gnutters doing backwards flips in – 3 – 2 –

https://www.inverse.com/article/38240-mini-brains-organoids-rats
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November 9, 2017 10:56pm
Rachael Membery

I see Helen has a new job to do with drugs,
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November 9, 2017 11:28pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, she could get the other job, so she took this one.
  
  Now she thinks d-criminalising ALL drugs and making them a health issue is a good thing.
  
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  November 10, 2017 6:24am
Inandout

The lispy guy on Garner is still pushing the Manus ‘refugees’ case, but he hasn’t accepted that 85% of TV3 don’t want them here. He is very pleading but didn’t say he would take even one angry Manus migrant into his home.
Mate, most Kiwis don’t give a shit what happens to them.
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November 10, 2017 7:35am
- Morrissey
  
  A few generations ago, people like you were claiming that “most Kiwis don’t give a shit what happens to the Jews.”
  
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  November 10, 2017 9:32am
- Digmen1
  
  I do.
  I want them to go back to where they came from.
  And get out of our news media screens.
  
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  November 10, 2017 11:24am

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