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William of Ockham

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https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2017/nov/06/trumps-hard-to-avoid-80s-new-york-us-presidents-clan-donald-jr-ivanka

According to my dad, Freddy [Trump] was nice, really smart, easygoing, low-key. He was also, apparently, fond of his family, and he occasionally had his scrappy brother Donald, who was eight years younger, come to stay with him at Lehigh University.

Alas, Donald does not seem to have felt the same familial loyalty. Freddy, an alcoholic, died at 43, and when his father, Fred Sr, died 18 years later, it was discovered that the latter’s will, which Donald helped to draft, specifically cut Freddy’s children and descendants out of the family inheritance. Freddy had a grandchild who suffered from cerebral palsy and the Trump family had helped to pay for his care. But when Freddy’s children sued over their grandfather’s will, Donald promptly withdrew the medical benefits the baby desperately needed.

“I was angry because they sued,” Donald said to the New York Times last year, when asked about this incident, as if that was, I don’t know, justification for depriving an infant of medical care? The final outcome of this charming saga is unknown but one thing we can say for certain is the US is truly blessed to have this guy overseeing its healthcare plans.
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November 7, 2017 8:00am
- VicParking
  
  Come on GB’s
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:06am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What’s that nonsense got to do with Global warming?
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:16am
- flipper
  
  More lignocaine in action …………
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:22am
- Brito
  
  You’re neither a Franciscan Friar or a Philosopher of note. So, Bill, that only leaves three words to describe you, fruit, nut and bar.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Perhaps you need to get better and more up-to-date sources of information.
  
  You really must stop reading partisan crap.
  http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/Trump-family-gives-back-to-agency-that-helps-4590816.php
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:58am
Manolo

Love between barbarians (Muslim factions):
https://www.yahoo.com/news/blaming-iran-saudi-says-huthi-strike-may-act-145627393.html

Saudi Arabia and Iran traded fierce accusations over Yemen on Monday, with Riyadh saying a rebel missile attack “may amount to an act of war” and Tehran accusing its rival of war crimes.

Tensions have been rising between Sunni-ruled Saudi Arabia and predominantly Shiite Iran, which are opposed in disputes and conflicts across the Middle East from Yemen and Syria to Qatar and Lebanon.
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November 7, 2017 8:02am
AgainstTheFlow

Prime Minister Ardern on RNZ talking about her paid parental leave changes:
“I also hope that overall they’ll see a likelihood that they may perhaps be more likely to see their employee return to work …”

Hope. Likelihood. May. Perhaps. More likely?

She’s hardly certain of her policy’s impact.
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November 7, 2017 8:03am
- tf78
  
  In my opinion if you want kids, save up, stay home and look after them – if you’re not prepared to do that don’t have them. Society was a much better place when mothers were home for their kids full time – it’s called being a parent. If people can afford childcare they can afford to stay home.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:15am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    What about women who are married to the State? If you pay women to have children, what do you think they will do?
    
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    November 7, 2017 8:20am
- Prince
  
  Unfortunately, as pointed out in the paper this morning, international research shows the longer the paid parental leave, the fewer mothers return to work.
  Of course that is just facts and statistics, and not hope, likelihood, perhaps etc.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:22am
  - MrLovebucket
    
    Will will make the gender pay gap more of an issue.
    
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    November 7, 2017 8:26am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Aha! Lengthy parental leave is a cunning plot to remove women from full-time careers.
    – A company will be less likely to employ a young woman if she is likely to start a family.
    – Women realize that motherhood is not such a bad gig (I mean, what is the difference between a crying baby and the Burger King account at your previous advertising company?)
    
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    November 7, 2017 8:28am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Yes. I can only assume the American woman will speak up and complain that she is trying to reduce the ‘gender pay gap’ and would the PM please stop legislating to make it bigger.
      
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      November 7, 2017 9:02am
      - Jack5
        
        The MSM wimmun are kicking along the argument that the NZ women’s rugby team members should be paid the same as All Blacks.
        
        Why don’t they suggest it should be based on shares of the gate take? Who would pay All Black test ticket prices to watch these sturdy females crashing around?
        
        Seeking equal pay for NZ women’s rugby players is as ludicrous as suggesting male beach volleyball players deserve the same reward as female beach volleyball players.
        
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        November 7, 2017 9:08am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Nigel,
        Do you mean that the “Gender Pay Gap” is widened when women take time off work to have children?!
        
        The answer: No more children! There. Problem solved…
        (Or else pay young women twice that of men, so that even after taking time off to have 1 child in her life, the Pay Gap will be eliminated.)
        
        What could possibly go wrong?
        
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        November 7, 2017 9:22am
      - GoVege
        
        You mean the American woman who is now the voice of the Wanganui River?
        
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        November 7, 2017 10:49am
      - realityczech
        
        The pay gap is due to rape culture. Gayford the first “ladyman” [his words] agrees.
        
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        November 7, 2017 12:37pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      So, a logical extension will be that it will. be harder for women to find suitable career/salaried jobs, so they will need state support. Meaning either a ballooning welfare budget or the state sector will be a women’s only employer (which of course is illegal in a world of equal opportunity, or am I being deliberately naive?)
      
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      November 7, 2017 9:04am
      - AgainstTheFlow
        
        I would think that most government departments are already hiring more women than men, especially at the entry levels.
        
        Some should ask Julie-Anne Genter if she intends to do something about that?
        
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        November 7, 2017 9:28am
      - Peter
        
        Equal opportunity and gender balance really just means “100% women”
        
        Julie Anne completely ignored the elephant in the room, namely that the Greens line up is gender unbalanced and heavily skews in favour of one gender only.
        
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        November 7, 2017 9:58am
      - Piniwi
        
        Keep up hullkiwi. It has always been that way. The main criteria set for EVERY vacancy that was generated from the Vacancies desk was A) is it suitable for a female? and B) a native female? This was back in the days of glide time of the 70s.
        
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        November 7, 2017 8:57pm
    - GazzaW
      
      I have mates running small businesses with maybe five persons on the payroll. They just do not employ women of childbearing age because they cannot afford the associated expenses of parental paid leave or have the strain on the remaining staff of retraining a temp employee. This legislation will only further extend that pool of employers. They know that it’s against the law to discriminate based on gender but that can be easily ‘managed’ during the recruitment process and by employing women over fifty years of age.
      
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      November 7, 2017 12:17pm
      - Piniwi
        
        True Gazza as long as they can handle the PMT complications.
        
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        November 7, 2017 9:00pm
  - VicParking
    
    And the worst part of all this is when they do get back to work they will demand to be paid the same as there counterparts who have worked and gained experience and seniority while they were away.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:34am
- Rich Prick
  
  Throwing fairy dust to the winds is an uncertain business. Just like taking in 150 “refugees” when you don’t understand the broader political issues, and being told to fuck off by a wiser head.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:29am
- Andrei
  
  Its not all bad – if she drops (an illegitimate) child whilst in office she can take six months off from being Prime Minister
  
  I guess that would make Winston Peters the acting Prime Minister
  
  The comedy value especially on this blog among the commentariat would be well worth her salary
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:35am
  - RF
    
    Andrei..
    
    Lordy me… you are correct. As the commie chic is living in sin any offspring could be illegitimate.
    
    In some countries such a person is a fallen woman who will burn in hell.
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:42am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Sorry Andrei & RF, while it might be a bloody good laugh watching the distingration of the CoL if
    Winnie Poo is acting PM. Reality/protocol suggests it would be Kelvin Davis who is the deputy leader of the largest party in the ClusterF**k. Probably be just as good a show as putting WP in charge.
    
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    November 7, 2017 11:16am
- Chris2
  
  I’ve employed a lot of staff in my time and in my experience about half the women who take maternity leave never return. It’s a time-consuming expense hiring a temp to provide cover for a woman on maternity leave but it peeves me off no end when during the last week of maternity leave they hand their notice in for a job that by law I have had to hold for them. Utter thoughtlessness.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:35am
  - GoVege
    
    They probably just find they can’t bear to be parted from their lil babies.
    I could have told them that…. 🙂
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:00am
    - Chris2
      
      Yes, and they can’t bear to be parted from the cash handout either.
      
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      November 7, 2017 10:55am
      - wiseowl
        
        It appears that you do not even have to be a citizen or resident to qualify for parental leave payment.
        Crazy .
        Should be an uprising in this country.
        
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        November 7, 2017 11:05am
tom hunter

As part of my contribution to countering the Dennis Horne/Ockham crank, here’s 20 who feuded with Trump — and lost.

Some favourite extracts:

Rosie O’Donnell Admits: ‘I Spend 90% Of My Hours Tweeting Hatred’ At Trump

That’s seriously fucked up. But she’s got a lot of company in Hollywood as numerous members of that community have unloaded on Trump for two years now…

13. Kevin Spacey.

2016: “Kevin Spacey mocks Donald Trump and calls him a ‘disease’ at Cannes.”

Oops – and Harvey Weinstein, Alec Baldwin, etc, etc….

Notice the pattern is hating Trump in public, and being a cretin in private.
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November 7, 2017 8:03am
- tom hunter
  
  Oh – and this…
  
  Bonus, No. 21 is Alwaleed Bin Talal
  
  2016: “Billionaire Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Trolls Trump: ‘I Bailed You Out Twice’.”
  
  2017: “Billionaire Saudi Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal arrested in corruption crackdown.”
  
  Horne/Ockham is in good company it would seem.
  
  The company of losers that is.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:11am
Manolo

The pervert goes to jail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5046571/Anthony-Weiner-goes-prison-sexting-15-year-old-girl.html
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November 7, 2017 8:04am
- MrLovebucket
  
  It’s not perverted when you are a lefty. He is just miss-understood. Yet when JK pulls a pony tail, we never hear the end of it.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:14am
  - MickMac
    
    an rightly so, they pervert.
    
    Was it his?
    Was it his wifes?
    
    NO!
    So it was assault.
    with a sexual undertone.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:01am
    - Longknives
      
      Are you seriously suggesting the Pony Tail thing was a ‘Sexual Assault’?
      
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      November 7, 2017 9:48am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Yup, that’s the way I read it. And lunatics that think like this are be going to making laws up about what constitutes “consent”. Advice to the single men out there, get married before you even think of shagging.
        
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        November 7, 2017 10:37am
  - SPLOOGE
    
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    There was nothing innocent in Key’s pony tail pulling. It is a perverted sexual kink.
    The guy is a creep. How deep it goes we don’t know…yet. It usually comes out in the wash.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:42am
    - Jack5
      
      Splooge, the bullshitter who lives in a luxury yacht and drives a BIG Audi, suggests twigging a pony tail is a “perverted sexual kink”.
      
      Splooge, you were a girly boy in primary school who never had the balls to lightly twig the pony tail of the attractive girl in the desk in front of you. She didn’t notice you, and now has no recollection of you.
      
      Splooge – a boy feminista at age eight, and a fantasist ever after.
      
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      November 7, 2017 9:52am
      - Brito
        
        I humble myself before you Jack5. Lovely put down.
        
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        November 7, 2017 10:09am
      - realityczech
        
        Yeah be like Jacko and grab the little bitches by the hair ya sissy !!!
        
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        November 7, 2017 12:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        ~~Kea~~ ~~Unrealcheque~~ Realityczech:
        
        On analysis of your 12.42 post, the conclusion is that you are either:
        
        A: A balding guy; or
        B: A woman bitter or nostalgic because her hair was never suitable for a pony tail; or
        C: A mountain parrot in the moult.
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:16pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Your imagination is quite out of control Jackoff.
        I hope it doesn’t involve you self abusing whilst fantasizing about me….that would just be a bit too creepy.
        If not, great story…..bahahahaaaaaaa. Idiot.
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:37pm
      - Jack5
        
        What a narcissist you are Splooge!
        
        I hope you aren’t posting from a laptop or tablet while you are in the bath playing with your plastic yacht!
        
        On the other hand, an electric jolt might sort out your confusion – for a week or so.
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:47pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Is Boo Boo a wee bit triggered?
        It’s you that’s writing this fantasy not me….I find it hilarious.
        Bahahaaaaa
        *laughs out loud*
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:51pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      It’s perverted bragging about an 8 inch dick and how successful you are with the ladies on this forum. Especially when you can’t measure, count, or come up with one intelligent comment.
      
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      November 7, 2017 10:34am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        I’ve never mentioned my dick, you have however mentioned it many times.
        It’s your fantasy, you own it.
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:34pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        So easy with Google to call Splooge a LIAR
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/05/banks_case_thrown_out.html/comment-page-1#comment-1526115
        What an effwit.
        
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        November 7, 2017 2:02pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Bahahaaaaa.
        No tdm, I stand accused here of being a leftie, my friends accuse me of being a right wing tosser.
        
        I try and reason with the right by explaining the a leftie wouldn’t drive the biggest Audi available and keep his yacht at Westhaven but that argument falls flat at the dinner table.
        
        But now you have brought up penis size. Mine is a healthy 8 inches and of reasonable girth, but more importantly I know how to use it, coupled with charm,good clothes and a nice Audi and boat (kept at Westhaven Marina) I get more my fair share of sex, they actually have to wait their turn,most of whom are the wives of right wing tossers who do not get satisfied at home and actually prefer a bit of rough.
        
        You might want to check where your wife goes, cos she could be gobbling me.
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        2 1/2 years ago and still they remember it.
        The desperation.
        At what stage will you realise that I’m here to piss you off?
        
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        November 7, 2017 4:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh we know you’re a troll splooge. Mostly you just make yourself look like a fuckwit.
        So the jokes on you.
        Sad!
        
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        November 7, 2017 4:21pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Another titanic comment hitting the iceberg – one that sinks out of view in approx. two hours or less.
      
      Cool
      
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      November 7, 2017 11:55am
    - realityczech
      
      “It is a perverted sexual kink.”
      
      You need to get out more son.
      
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      November 7, 2017 12:47pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Receiving golden showers more your idea of fun, Kea? 😉
        
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        November 7, 2017 12:49pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    I’m actually surprised John Key didn’t rape the waitress then and there on the spot.
    He may as well have according to the following outrage and public drubbing……
    
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    November 7, 2017 12:53pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      So if a middle age man goes into his local cafe and continuously pulls a woman’s hair when clearly it upsets her then that’s OK KKK?
      Or is it OK because it’s John Key and she should just toughen up?
      It’s actually assault (male assaults female) and what makes it worse it THAT he was the Prime Minister.
      
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      November 7, 2017 1:41pm
      - KKKKatee
        
        Ooh! Got Splooge worked up. Splooge, you appear to be all over GD today like a mad woman’s shit. In other words, you appear to be a fucken idiot…….
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:56pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He’s a liar
        
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        November 7, 2017 2:08pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        KKK, err no you didn’t child.
        I wouldn’t mind your telling of why it’s OK to openly assault women in their work place though.
        
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        November 7, 2017 4:19pm
      - Brito
        
        Spelling issues again SPLOOOOOGE. Only happens when you’re bullshitting.
        
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        November 7, 2017 4:42pm
      - KKKKatee
        
        It appears you are more than happy to assault numerous women with your 8 inch dick Splooge AND proud if it by all accounts.
        Anyone would think you are a sexual deviant. Can’t keep your dick in your pants.
        Men like you are most unsafe to have sex with. Why would any woman risk catching a dose of the clap from you? Or Aids even?
        
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        November 7, 2017 6:37pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  hmm – see the girl he was texting ? 3 out of 10 looks and figure ?
  
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  November 7, 2017 12:01pm
lifesgood

I was waiting for a bus in Commerce St Auckland last night and got approached by no less than four beggars actively asking for money. Firstly I thought this was illegal and secondly two of them were Indians whose command of English seemed to suggest they were recent immigrants. One of them was young, filthy and clearly pulling some sort of confidence trick. Why are they in NZ, how did they get in? Are we so stupid that we are now importing beggars? It was bad enough having to walk past several groups of Maori camping out on the footbpaths. Auckland is turning into a third world hell hole.
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November 7, 2017 8:07am
- Evadne
  
  Don’t worry, Jacinda has promised to fix it.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:08am
  - Jack5
    
    You mean: Let’s screw this!
    
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    November 7, 2017 8:49am
  - VicParking
    
    They will all have nice new homes out at Kingseat. Ironic me thinks.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:36am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Was the Indian guy skinny? Any sign of limb amputation? Maybe Auckland is getting a high level of begging from overseas.
  (I find it hard to “give” to a strapping young Polynesian youth in Queen Street who wouldn’t seem out of place in a piano-moving company.)
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:23am
- Inandout
  
  The Auckland CBD is a no go area for me, in fact the city has become scruffy. How Goff can be proud of this third world area is beyond me.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:24am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Dutch had a wonderful old punishment for lay-abouts, they would stick them in a water sump with a hand pump for some period. If they didn’t pump sufficiently then they would drown.
    
    Give beggars a day or two of hard labour and they will soon find something better to do with their time.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:07am
  - VicParking
    
    Agreed. Lack of maintenance, cleaning, rubbish collection.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:38am
  - Surely Knott
    
    Because they’ve given the Auckland facilities maintenance contract to an Australian company. (Um why can’t an Auckland Company do this, surely helping local businesses succeed is as good for the wellbeing of nzers than just putting up cleaners minimum pay rates.) And now Council facilities are on a needs only contract. So instead of emptying the bin weekly or someother measure, they will empty the bin as needed. However as needed seems a bit open to interpretation and seems to have resulted in scruffy.
    
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    November 7, 2017 11:09am
- SPLOOGE
  
  Lifesgood…catches the bus. Bahahaaaaa
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:43am
  - lifesgood
    
    You utter moron. Give me one good reason why I shouldn’t.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:51am
    - GazzaW
      
      People like Splooge don’t take the bus lifesgood. Why would you when you get free parking for the Audi at the Yacht Squadron and what would the RNZYS Commodore think if one of his members was seen using public transport? One has an image to upkeep when you own a large yacht.
      
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      November 7, 2017 12:32pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Okahu Bay.
        Do try and keep up.
        And actually I have caught a few buses in my time, airport terminal shuttles and the like.
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh, so telling lies again
        
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        November 7, 2017 2:09pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Okahu Bay, Westhaven, Gulf Harbour? Splitting hairs over trivia? Give us some real detail on your sailing prowess and some tech info on your boat. Something verifiable to prove that you’re not bullshitting us.
        
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        November 7, 2017 2:11pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Gazza, I’m not telling you shit.
    It’s not me that gets all upset, that’s you.
    Toughen up.
    
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    November 7, 2017 4:21pm
    - GazzaW
      
      You haven’t answered the question Splodge. Last week Westhaven and this week Okahu Bay, last week you were boasting about your dick and this week you’re denying it.
      
      It doesn’t upset me mate – I think you have a problem.
      
      I’ll wait on your insults.
      
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      November 7, 2017 5:45pm
- GoVege
  
  I have NEVER been asked for money by an Indian, or anyone except members of our tangata whenua, and that’s only coz we stole their land…. 🙂
  
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  November 7, 2017 5:19pm
  - softail 1450
    
    vegetable ,with stupid arselicking comments like that, no wonder you get neither up nor down ticks,you are irrelevant .
    
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    November 7, 2017 5:32pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      I giver her credit for knowing that there is supposed to be a space after an apostrophe.
      
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      November 7, 2017 7:46pm
      - realityczech
        
        Treadle stop being a smug little shit. You know nothing.
        
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        November 7, 2017 7:52pm
  - MrLovebucket
    
    It wasn’t their land to start with. Never was.
    
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    November 7, 2017 7:23pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      Well, yes, it was. They exercised sovereignty over this land prior to British colonisation.
      
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      November 7, 2017 7:44pm
    - realityczech
      
      You were thinking of the Jews in Israel. Easy mistake to make.
      
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      November 7, 2017 7:54pm
JasonJohns

just desserts!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/06/woman-trump-middle-finger-fired-juli-briskman

disrespect trump…you will pay the price!
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November 7, 2017 8:09am
- virtualmark
  
  (shrug). Fair enough, there are consequences to actions, and this seems an over-reaction by her employer but they’re within their rights to do it.
  
  Where I think it’s a non-story is that I’d expect she’s already got a LOT of job offers from other employers who will support what she did.
  
  So net-net I doubt she’s out too much.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:22am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Not really, because social justice warriors don’t put their money where their mouth’s are – they just virtue-signal. They talk a good game, but when it comes to hiring someone who shows such poor judgment as to do this – nah! the SJW is happy for other people to pay, but they won’t do it themselves.
    
    We had this a while back with WCC councilors voting for the Living Wage to be compulsory – just not paying it in their own businesses.
    
    Hypocrisy – what the left is made of!
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:00am
    - Lance
      
      I wouldn’t trot out hypocrisy too much in this case, you did read the article right?
      They let a far worse case just slide by within the same company.
      
      I have centre right views but I really hate hypocrisy from any side. I frequently call the left out on it but am just as happy to point it out on the right.
      And there seems to be a lot of it these days.
      
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      November 7, 2017 9:21am
  - Ceejay
    
    She will walk into another job – in fact probably already has.
    
    Whereas Trump, when he gets what’s coming…
    
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    November 7, 2017 12:48pm
- Lance
  
  Yea
  None of this free speech shit
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:57am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I have to disagree. Sometimes when we feel passionate about something we may act or say something offensive in the heat of the moment. I can guarantee if I saw Winston’s car driving past I would give him the middle finger and the air would turn blue with the diatribe that would be unleashed. I would not expect to lose my job over this, however. Freedom of speech and expression is absolute, even if it is likely to cause offence. I know I push the boundaries in this respect ( and have been censured for this), but we don’t live in North Korea. (yet)
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:14am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Free speech is a limitation on government. It does not protect you from being fired from your job. Though it can be a grey area if the employer is also a government contractor.
    
    In NZ, discrimination in employment based on political opinion is not allowed. So that would give you some protection here. But in the US, political opinion is not one of the prohibited categories.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:57am
  - GoVege
    
    Definitely agree there ROL.
    Yonks ago I saw a car from Key’s electorate drive past and my middle finger suddenly took on a life of its own. .. 🙂
    
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    November 7, 2017 5:23pm
    - softail 1450
      
      vege ,it’d be the only part of you that ever has ,,,,,
      
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      November 7, 2017 5:42pm
- MCos
  
  As I recall hundreds of people gave the Trump administration the finger by way of Rex Tillerson when he passed through NZ earlier this year.
  I don’t remember hearing about mass layoffs at the time and I don’t think they would have all been self employed or grumpy old pensioners.
  
  Nothing wrong with expressing your political opinion in a forthright manner. Far more obnoxious views are aired on this very forum.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:18am
rightoverlabour

Karma? http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2017/10/29/mlbs-bruce-maxwell-who-knelt-during-anthem-is-arrested-on-gun-charge.html
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November 7, 2017 8:11am
VicParking

The Government has moved from a spending spree to passing legislation under urgency,changing the select committee process and cancelling signed government contracts to enable them to pass socialist laws. How soon will they be tempted to change the election process, Jacinda PM for life.
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November 7, 2017 8:14am
- MrLovebucket
  
  State funding of political parties will be next.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:28am
  - KevOB
    
    There could be a reduction in the number of parties allowed to be registered under the Electoral Act–max one.
    
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    November 7, 2017 8:38am
  - rangitoto
    
    And may as well only allow one party. No one would ever want to vote for anyone else says Kim Taxinda.
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:20am
- calendar girl
  
  “Jacinda PM for life”?
  
  Is that why Helen Clark chose a 37-year-old?
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:36am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Don’t laugh, it happens: 93 year old Magabe has just sacked his probable successor. His wife Clare is likely to become president on his demise.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:46am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Nah, she’ll die before he does. He obviously found the Holy Grail. Unbelievable that these type just live forever…
      
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      November 7, 2017 10:42am
  - Fletch
    
    I think that Helen will probably transplant her brain into Jacinda (if she hasn’t already) before she kicks the big one. Her replacement/surrogate body.
    
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    November 7, 2017 11:44am
- MickMac
  
  err National used urgency a lot……..
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:01am
  - publicwatchdog
    
    It was under ‘urgency’ that Aucklanders got this ‘Supercity’ (for the 1%) forced upon us by the previous National-led Government.
    
    Penny Bright
    ‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
    
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    November 7, 2017 11:55am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      ‘Anti-corruption whistle-blower’.
      Like a KFC that’s never got any chicken.
      
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      November 7, 2017 12:09pm
  - Lance
    
    Because urgency used by National was BAD, dirty politics etc.
    Now that Labour are doing it…………………..?
    
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    November 7, 2017 4:30pm
Happychappy

So how long is it going to take for the media to see that Jacinda does not appreciate free speech and to back up my accusation she should not stop questions on trade deals when it does not suit Winston Peters or her agenda when a legitimate question was asked of the German President concerning a Russian Trade deal.
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November 7, 2017 8:15am
Padriv Ustoev

So a free trade agreement with Russia is bad because Russian = subhuman Mafia Dictators. But getting into bed with China is great for NZ.

Why is free trade with Russia bad?

Also, more about Chinese political infiltration in NZ and Australia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrFKTGGUtZM
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November 7, 2017 8:16am
- Jack5
  
  Dame Devoid will have the Russkis on her hit list now.
  
  Putin says the United States is no longer a “white Christian country”:
  
  https://youtu.be/h4YfPbvL9Gk
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:58am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The USA has never been a Christian Country
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/founding-fathers-we-are-n_b_6761840.html
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:12am
    - Fletch
      
      Except that it was –
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm8oGUXomHc
      
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      November 7, 2017 11:51am
      - realityczech
        
        Fletch, The Indians were not Christian.
        
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        November 7, 2017 12:44pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kea, old bird, who are these people ye speake of – “The Indians”?
        
        Do ye mean the Injuns? Or the Red Injuns? Or Native Merricans? Or First Nations? Or in-didg-ee-nus people?
        
        Weren’t the Injuns the lost tribe of Israel? That would mean you were putting up your hand for Jewish folk.
        
        Your cuzzies in Aleppo wouldn’t like that.
        
        As a side issue: did your Injuns use macrons?
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:10pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jack5 the Jews were not the first people in what is now called Israel, or even close to it. The ancestors of the Jews came from Egypt in Africa.
        
        You must pay more attention to your extremist Rabbi’s teachings if you are to become properly radicalised.
        
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        November 7, 2017 6:42pm
  - tom hunter
    
    Twenty five years ago the Speaker of the Japanese Parliament “explained” that the reason why Japan was succeeding so well in business and economics compared to the USA was that the latter was a “mongerel” nation compared to homogenous Japan.
    
    What’s funny is that the boast was already failing as the words were uttered. I think the Japanese would be grateful to have the sort of “failure” the USA has experienced since 1992.
    
    I think Russia will find the same thing going forward, but that’s Putin for you.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:24am
  - rangitoto
    
    The US Senate unanimously ratified the treaty of Tripoli in 1797. Article 11 states:
    
    “Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen (Muslims); and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan (Mohammedan) nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.”
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:26am
oldpark

In the wall to wall coverage and euphoria of the Paid Parental Leave caper. Seems according to the trade union fuelled and infested news rooms it is the only story in the country.
Spare a thought of where the money is coming from. It will be gouged off poor old age pensioners on fixed incomes who were counting on a legislated increase in their Super Payments.
Wonder will the coverage of how the pensioners money will be chiselled off them when legislation is cancelled will get the same billing .Leading the charge to make sure the pensioners will not get their entitlements will be Winston Peters and his band of free loaders, The same brigands who used the elderly to give their votes to them.
To think the money will be gouged off the elderly on fixed incomes,is a complete betrayal of our aged. In fact who would have thought that “Elder Abuse” is alive and well in NZ. Thank you Winston your Legacy will live on. Maybe only for the sour taste of your betrayal of your over 65s Gold Card supporters.
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November 7, 2017 8:17am
- Paulus
  
  Wait until Superannuation becomes means (assets, which include the house you live in, your car, and any other private income) tested – won’t be long.
  The woman’s movement needs your money – after all they voted Cinderella and Peters into POWER.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:23am
  - VicParking
    
    The living alone allowance will be the first to go. Then the additional payments for disabilities.
    I see they are not talking about the $490 for heating any more. That wont happen.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:44am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I see they are not talking about the $490 for heating any more. That wont happen.
      
      I think it was only $450 for singles and $700 for couples.
      http://www.labour.org.nz/how_labour_will_keep_you_warm_in_winter
      But, I’ve already budgeted the hubby’s $450 into my 2018 spend-up.
      
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      November 7, 2017 10:47am
      - KevOB
        
        And MSD will cut back any allowance for heating included in the disabilities payment.
        
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        November 7, 2017 2:20pm
Longknives

Put the life savings on Max Dynamite Kiwibloggers!
Box him with some roughies for the Trifecta and thank me later…
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November 7, 2017 8:18am
- pdm
  
  Mmmm – just boxed 5 in quinellas and % trifecta but not included Max.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:27am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I know you made that comment tongue in cheek but seriously, I have seen similarly stupid advice from Accredited Financial Advisors.
  Amelie’s Star will defaecate upon Max Dynamite from a great height.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:44am
  - Longknives
    
    Max didn’t win but I got 10% of the Trifecta with him running 3rd…(Which covers the drinks for the day)
    Where did Amelie Star finish again Tauhei??
    
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    November 7, 2017 8:32pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Longknives, I must defer to your superior knowledge. And that from a man who still remembers as a seven year old listening to the radio as Toporoa beat Rising Fast. And it was a juicy trifecta. Good on you.
      
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      November 7, 2017 10:22pm
waikatogirl

I see Cindy’s trip to Aus was worthwhile for NZ taxpayers, NOT! We are now paying for a free year of tertiary education for Aussie’s who attend NZ universities. Cindy, Malcolm saw you coming, took your bullshit and sent you home with promises for YOUR taxpayers to pay for Aussie kids to holiday in NZ for a year.

It would make me lol except for your socialistic crap you are imposing on NZ taxpayers.
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November 7, 2017 8:20am
- Digmen1
  
  Yet, the Herald claims her visit was a success!
  
  She did not gain one thing for NZ!
  (Not that I wanted any of the things she wanted)
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:45am
  - Jack5
    
    Cindarella’s PR training has her saying there’s a way that Manus border crashers taken into NZ can be stopped from getting into Australia from here.
    
    Is Cindarella preparing NZ’ers for having to get visas to visit Australia? She would accept that so the Melon Greens can re-home boat people?
    
    Let’s screw this!
    
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    November 7, 2017 8:53am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Would be worse if she didn’t have a toilet roll in communication studies . . .
      Let’s screw this.
      
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      November 7, 2017 12:11pm
    - KKKKatee
      
      That’s it. I’m going to enrol at University and do the same degree as Cindy did so that I can learn the important ‘catch phrases’ to use etc. etc.
      And the best thing of all is that I won’t have to pay a cent as I’ve never been to Uni before. It will feel so good to rip off the taxpayers thanks to the generosity of Jazindarella. She really has turned out to be the Fairy Godmother has she not?
      Thanks Cindy – I need to do that degree in order to understand what the hell you’re saying and what it all means…
      I, too, could be Prime Minister one day…..
      
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      November 7, 2017 12:56pm
  - oldpark
    
    Lets face it. She got the bums rush. Why was she even in Australia meddling in a Sovereign Nations’ Affairs. Her long passed their use by dates H1 and H2 two old ******** from the coven of the social engineering dept got it wrong. Sending a Winston Peters “selected” default PM to brain wash an “Elected” PM . Malcolm Turnbull knew she was an also ran on election night. Maybe an NZ “elected” PM would not have gone,on an exercise in futility”Commie Chic” Comrade Ardern was fast tracked back to NZ.Says it all.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:04am
    - VicParking
      
      Speaking of Winston, I see they have pumped him dry and drugged him up so he is well enough to go to vietnam this week. Bubbles, bangles and Gold.
      
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      November 7, 2017 9:47am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Hopefully he’ll be more careful where he puts his arse. Wouldn’t want him getting another case of spider bite.
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:19pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    She not only didn’t gain anything, she relented on her PROMISE at the election debate to do unto the Aussie students as Aussie did to NZ, making it more expensive for NZ’ers to attend Aussie uni’s. She came away from a meeting with Malcolm promising much more NZ taxpayer funding for Aussie students.
    
    Hey Cindy, it’s only money, but it’s NOT your money, it is the taxpayers!!!!! ?
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:06am
Digmen1

It will just put employers off employing young women.
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November 7, 2017 8:21am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Exactly. Why employ a liability to the company?
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:24am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Think it applies to fathers too? Bill was talking this morning about both parents staying home together with a new baby for some weeks.
    
    All I can say is it would be nice for someone, anyone to THANK the taxpayers, especially those working taxpayers without kids who will be paying through the nose for parents staying at home…
    
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    November 7, 2017 8:34am
MT_Tinman

Despite claiming 250,000 NZ kids are poverty stricken the harridan is out interfering in the politics of a foreign country (about how they handle other foreigners), the minister for education has decided retailers must get the profit from selling school uniforms, not schools and the last head-clown has decided rapists and murderers are hard done by and must be mollycoddled.

Are the priorities slightly wrong?
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November 7, 2017 8:23am
- Callum
  
  To be fair, some schools were preventing you buying elsewhere and then jacking up the prices in a monopoly situation simply because they don’t know how to budget properly.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:36am
  - KevOB
    
    It was close to a secret commission arrangement. The schools would not admit they got a kickback from an enforced purchase from a nominated supplier.
    
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    November 7, 2017 8:42am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    What the hell do you think the retailers will do when they get the monopoly?
    
    Note petrol prices.
    
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    November 7, 2017 8:46am
- cmm
  
  The job isn’t complete until ALL kids are in poverty.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:02am
- KKKKatee
  
  Schools are not uniform specialists. The cock-ups at our local high school were monumental. We chose not to support the school – rather, the local clothing store who knew how to buy etc. etc. Same as stationery. The schools charge more than the local stationery (and their product is always on special at that time of the year). Then the bloody schools head off to the local clothing store and local stationer later on in the year with their begging bowl asking for sponsorship for the ruby team, the netball team etc. etc. So, I’m not bothered that they won’t be able to sell uniforms and make a profit. They should stick to what they so – that is run a school. Guess what? The local businesses they’ve gone into competition withdon’t put their hands in their tills and hand over their hard-earned money. I’m with the businesses on that. There are more worthy community groups to sponsor than bloody schools!
  
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  November 7, 2017 12:14pm
Digmen1

Regarding the hell hole that the Arab/Muslim world is.

We in the west have been advised that of the two major sects Sunni is less objectionable than Shiite.

It seems there is a power play going on between Saudia Arabia, Iran and Turkey.

Which one (if any) should the west be backing.
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November 7, 2017 8:24am
- RalphT
  
  Neither side; let them sort it out among themselves. Hopefully while they do that they will leave us alone (but I fear I’ll be wrong on that score).
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:45am
  - VicParking
    
    Bring back the Battles of Jamal, Siffin. and Karbala so they can kill themselves off. Russia to arm one side and the USA the other.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:55am
- MickMac
  
  Neither. Islam is the problem, not the people.
  if they didn’t have Islam they probably wouldn’t be half bad….
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:06am
Brito

Legal tax havens are being used by companies to legally store profits from their businesses.

The word which struck me in this discussion on RNZ was the word legal.

Now I might be at odds with the rest of you on KB, but why hasn’t the person(s) who hacked this information been arrested? If you are legally going about your business and somebody steals something from you, isn’t that person committing a crime?
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November 7, 2017 8:27am
- Jack5
  
  Brito, hacking is a crime in many countries. But hackers can be devilishly hard to catch.
  
  The internet has changed the world. We all live in the town square now.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:12am
thedavincimode

Distressing signs ahead on the weather front folks. So far this morning I’ve seen pictures on the repeater feeds of:

some hills with a little bit of snow on them
some people standing in a flooding river
a couple of people hiding under their beaten umbrellas
the South Island covered in coloured crayon
a cute little lambykins standing in some grass

I’ve run this through the meteoterpreter and I’ve come up with:

“Stormy weather for the South Island, with gales, heavy rain and possible flooding. Some snow at higher altitudes. Farmers look out for your livestock, especially new born lambs.”

Edit: Gosh, and my forecast only took two lines.
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November 7, 2017 8:42am
- Digmen1
  
  Its the same every year.
  
  We always get a cold snap in November or December which kills some lambs and brings cold winds to the North island.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:47am
Brito

And how about immigrants who come to NZ and employ other immigrants? Not really a problem, but what happens if you have to pay $50k for the job and it gets trickled back to you as you work for 15hrs per day for $4/hr.

How come they can take a persons passport and scare them into staying?

I understand the fear these folk experience but my question really is, why, when they are caught, are these low life employers allowed to stay in NZ?

Surely that is a sign of low moral fibre, dishonesty and general pissy-ness!!!
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November 7, 2017 8:42am
- kowtow
  
  No deportation , us whiteys need the enrichment their third world practises bring to our boring lives.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:07am
  - RalphT
    
    Yes, I’m partial to a good curry.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:27am
    - kowtow
      
      So am I .
      
      I can also read a recipe so don’t need Mangle Pandi to produce it.
      
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      November 7, 2017 9:50am
- waikatogirl
  
  The latest spokesman for immigrants ripped off by immigrant employers got a $40k payout on top of all the wages he was owed. No wonder he was smiling. Not saying it shouldn’t happen but $40k is great on top, and although he knew he was breaching his immigration regs he is allowed to stay, and is well settled in NZ.
  
  In April National started a register of bad employers. There are 80 so far that have made the list.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:18am
  - kowtow
    
    Published in Hindi or Chinese?
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:53am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Maori
      
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      November 7, 2017 10:44am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    I saw that – why does NZ need to have all of these third worlders here on bloody work visas ? Doing low skill slave labour ? Far too many.
    
    If you let them in – what’s going to happen ? They get exploited ? Well, la-de-blardy-duuuurh !!
    
    Just another third world dumbarse fob – poor English – sheesh. In his case – oh, he’s worked all over the world. Ok – get work in another country then.
    
    Oh no – they’re all desperate to stay in NZ at all costs. This country doesn’t need endless unskilled airhead foreigners.
    
    Seemed like a nice bloke but still – most Indians I see aren’t speaking English. They’re just foreigners.
    
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    November 7, 2017 12:21pm
dime

now that the election is over, its time to kick whale oil into touch again.

fuck thats a negative website.

this idiot promoted winston to get back at bill, cause he just knew labours bitch winston would go with national lol

the guy portrays himself as this all knowing political guru. it just seems to be about putting the knife into bill and a few other national mps and promoting judith, who lets be honest, is no vote winner.

anyway, thats my last WO rant. i aint going back.
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November 7, 2017 8:45am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Yup, I won’t go near the place. He has completely lost the plot. I suspect his readership numbers will slowly evaporate leaving a few deranged, sycophants, who actually pay to read his musings. Many years ago it was the first site I visited on a daily basis.. Sad.
  
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  November 7, 2017 8:50am
- lifesgood
  
  Yes, I’ve all but given up, except for the occasional peek. He is a moron and boy has he got egg on his face. I went over to the dark side this morning, very briefly, and all he could do is criticise some National former ministers out having a bit of fun. We can all blame him for the disgusting mess NZ is now in. He spent months promoting Winston and, of course his merry little band of sycophants said “Yes, boss, yes, boss, anything you say”
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:04am
  - Piniwi
    
    Yes lifegood and his attempted strike on National and Simon Bridges loosing the plot was jumping the shark. As we watched the same person getting the first failures to cross the House and beg. But they are getting much more troll traffic that seem to have the same political insight or is that (Incite)as him.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:20pm
- VicParking
  
  Laid into Paula Bennet this morning. His hate for her shows no bounds.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:00am
- Digmen1
  
  I never go there, but he does have a higher number of visits
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:02am
ex-golfer

Jacinda Ardern quoted the OECD paid parental leave average was 48 weeks – this went unquestionned by the compliant media.
The average is actually 18 weeks: https://www.oecd.org/els/soc/PF2_1_Parental_leave_systems.pdf
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November 7, 2017 8:52am
- itstricky
  
  It’s clearly not that simple, if you choose to actually read the paper.
  
  In it, our maternity leave is listed as 18 weeks, just above the recommended minimum of 14 weeks. And yes, 18 weeks is the average – just for maternity leave. But, according to their tables, there is no additional parental leave in NZ, whereas most of the other countries do have that. And some quite sizeable amounts, too.
  
  This is where the averages differ – 55 weeks average for all leave (maternity + parental) – and NZ is just left with 18 weeks maternity. So, yes, she is correct, if you’re quoting total parental leave and not -just- maternity leave.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:23am
  - ex-golfer
    
    You might like to read the definitions in the tables before you start spouting off your holier-than-thou sermons.
    Doing a direct comparison of our paid-parental leave provisions shows an OECD of 17.7 weeks (ie: 18 weeks).
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:15am
    - itstricky
      
      Answer me these simple questions:
      
      How many total weeks of paid parental leave does the UK make available to mothers? How about Sweden? How about Iceland and Ireland?
      
      Now, how many does NZ offer?
      
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      November 7, 2017 10:26am
      - Kimbo
        
        Answer me these simple questions:
        
        Er, in the light of ex-golfer’s observation about “direct comparison”, aren’t your three “riddle me this” questions rather an invitation to compare apples with oranges?
        
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        November 7, 2017 10:30am
      - itstricky
        
        Not, given a majority of other countries offer additional leave of quite significant amounts and ex-golfer has failed to acknowledge that, and/or failed to acknowledge that could be the measure that is being referred to.
        
        Even more so, given the OECD charts refer to this additional leave as ‘parental leave’
        
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        November 7, 2017 10:35am
      - Kimbo
        
        I make that observation in the light of yours that
        
        It’s clearly not that simple, if you choose to actually read the paper.
        
        …which seems to accord well with ex-golfer’s request for clarity concerning “definitions in the tables”. Quite. ‘Always define your terms’ is a good rule to provide clarity in the midst of alleged complexity.
        
        And the fact you are avoiding that good maxim is revealed in that in the course of this thread you argued
        
        It’s clearly not that simple
        
        (Whoop, whoop, pull up, pull up! Breach of Kimbo’s law!*)
        
        Yet in the next post you claim it is understandable with the use of
        
        these simple questions
        
        * In blogworld the validity of an argument in is inverse proportion to the use of emphatic adverbs.
        
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        November 7, 2017 10:45am
      - ex-golfer
        
        Here are your answers – and I am using a comparison of the provisions of paid parental leave (not adding other provisions that are not covered in NZ, such as home care, home support etc).
        
        UK = 39 weeks
        Sweden = 12.9 weeks
        Iceland = 13 weeks
        Ireland = 26 weeks
        
        In addition:
        
        Australia = 6 weeks
        USA = nil weeks
        
        NZ = 18 weeks, soon to be 22.
        
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        November 7, 2017 10:47am
      - itstricky
        
        Incorrect. The “Total paid leave
        available to mothers”, as per the third column, of table PF2.1.A i.e. the total number of weeks of paid leave a mother in that country can expect is:
        
        UK 39
        Sweden 55.7
        Iceland 26
        Ireland 26
        Australia 18 (you’ll notice how this all of sudden matches ours and isn’t “just six weeks”)
        
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        November 7, 2017 10:54am
      - Kimbo
        
        From the paper:
        
        Parental leave: employment-protected leave of absence for employed parents, which is often supplementary to specific maternity and paternity leave periods, and frequently, but not in all countries, follows the period of maternity leave. Entitlement to the parental leave period is often individual (i.e. each parent has their own entitlement) while entitlement to public income support is frequently family-based, so that in general only one parent claims such income support at any one time (except for a short period after childbirth). In some countries parental leave is generally a sharable family entitlement but with certain periods reserved for use by the mother or father, while in others (such as Austria and Germany) ‘bonus’ paid weeks are offered if both parents use a certain portion of the family entitlement. Assuming that the family wishes to maximize the total length of leave on offer, this implies that a certain number of weeks are effectively ‘reserved’ for fathers or the ‘second’ parent.
        
        Home care leave (or childcare or child raising leave): employment-protected leaves of absence that sometimes follow parental leave and that typically allow at least one parent to remain at home to provide care until the child is two or three years of age. Home care leaves are less common than the other three types of leave and are offered only in a minority of OECD countries. They are also often unpaid, and where a benefit is available the home care leave tends to be paid only at a low flat-rate. In addition to these common types, a couple of additional working definitions are used in this indicator to allow for full and consistent cross-country comparison of leave entitlements:
        
        Parental and home care leave available to mothers: covers all weeks of employment-protected parental and home care leave that can be used by the mother. This includes any weeks that are an individual entitlement or that are reserved for the mother, and those that are a sharable or family entitlement. It excludes any weeks of parental leave that are reserved for the exclusive use of the father.
        
        Dunno, itstricky. Looks like a lot of exceptions and national variations, cobbled together…likes apples and oranges.
        
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        November 7, 2017 10:58am
      - itstricky
        
        Oh noes. Caught by Kimbo’s law! Maybe I am off to the Gulag.
        
        I don’t think I contradicted myself. I implied it wasn’t “as simple” as looking at one column in a table without daring to glance at the others. The questions were, simple, however once looked at all three.
        
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        November 7, 2017 10:58am
      - ex-golfer
        
        I see – so where in the NZ provisions of paid parental leave can you show that we will pay home care leave?
        
        Please note the definition in the report:
        “Home care leave (or childcare or child raising leave): employment-protected leaves of absence that sometimes follow parental leave and that typically allow at least one parent to remain at home to provide care until the child is two or three years of age. Home care leaves are less common than the other three types of leave and are offered only in a minority of OECD countries. They are also often unpaid, and where a benefit is available the home care leave tends to be paid only at a low flat-rate.”
        
        And while you are at it, please explain to me how the PM got her 48 week average?
        
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        November 7, 2017 11:01am
      - Kimbo
        
        @ itstricky
        
        Oh noes. Caught by Kimbo’s law! Maybe I am off to the Gulag.
        
        …to share a cell with the serial Kimbo’s law offender…Morrissey! 😉
        
        I don’t think I contradicted myself. I implied it wasn’t “as simple” as looking at one column in a table without daring to glance at the others. The questions were, simple, however once looked at all three.
        
        …only if one makes the assumption that the various additional parental leave options in diverse countries are…near universal, rather than the highest level of entitlement if various and diverse criteria are met. Is a big assumption, and the fact it is in a different category/column should ring alarm bells…
        
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        November 7, 2017 11:04am
      - itstricky
        
        I see – so where in the NZ provisions of paid parental leave can you show that we will pay home care leave?
        
        The inclusions are for “paid parental leave” (which is more akin to our system) as well as “home care leave” (which is noted as not being common)
        
        It doesn’t matter that we don’t have provision for what the OECD report classes as “different types of parental leave”, or offer it. The fact remains that most other OECD countries do. And we don’t. And where other OECD countries don’t offer the “additional types”, they have a bigger “basic type” e.g. The UK.
        
        The summation column is for “total amount of paid leave available to mothers”. That is, putting all definitions aside, this is the total number of weeks of paid leave. NZ does not offer the same amount of total paid leave for mothers as most other OECD countries.
        
        You can’t remove all other paid leave benefits a mother in Austria may recieve and then say “oh, we’re doing better than them because we offer more basic leave” – what about the 40 odd other weeks and benefits?
        
        48? I don’t know. I couldn’t see that anywhere. 55 is the average of “total paid leave for mothers” in this report. Perhaps it is another year.
        
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        November 7, 2017 11:13am
      - itstricky
        
        …only if one makes the assumption that the various additional parental leave options in diverse countries are…near universal
        
        Sure, that “home care” one is an outlier. But it is noted as being “uncommon”. The “parental leave” one seems pretty close to our system, to me.
        
        Is a big assumption, and the fact it is in a different category/column should ring alarm bells…
        
        Doesn’t change the fact that there are many more weeks of paid leave available to mothers in most OECD countries than in NZ.
        
        And it doesn’t surprise me or “ring alarm bells” that there are different categories. I imagine laws around these sorts of things are convoluted, with lots of different categories, just as there are with other state benefits.
        
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        November 7, 2017 11:22am
    - Kimbo
      
      But you are rather avoiding the key issue, that if particular forms of leave are not automatic and universal in each of the various countries concerned, then, to include them when calculating an alleged OECD average is comparing apples and oranges.
      
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      November 7, 2017 11:38am
      - itstricky
        
        I don’t read into that that they are not automatic, or not universal. They are different categories but nothing about it says a mother is not entitled – it’s simply that some of the leave has been categorised as “parental leave”, some as “family based leave” or whatever rather than just base “maternity leave”.
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:16pm
      - itstricky
        
        As an example, refer Maggy’s correct for Finland below
        
        Sure, the numbers in the report are wrong as of Nov 2017 but it’s “maternity leave followed by parental leave” which totals 52 weeks. And that would be represented as base maternity (as in NZ) + parental (as not in NZ) = total of 52 in the table.
        
        There are no exceptions in there. It’s just a different category/class. And you can’t say that NZ’s sole, base 18 weeks, is a better deal.
        
        Soon we’ll be suggesting that the winner of a rugby match should be the team that scores the most tries, not that which scores the most points.
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:24pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I don’t read into that that they are not automatic, or not universal.
        
        No, but it was a comment made and an analysis offered yesterday by a commentator – and one not unsympathetic to the politics of the new government or the new leave extension – about Ardern’s use of the stats.
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:28pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Sorry ex-golfer hit report below by mistake. Yes we old golfers know that ALL strokes count including air shots. Makes no difference if somebody farts at the top of your back swing.
      
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      November 7, 2017 9:26pm
- backster
  
  Well she lied didn’t she, not one OECD country gives 48%. She is learning fast from Winston.Strange not one of the Media experts thought to point it out.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:29am
  - itstricky
    
    not one OECD country gives 48%
    
    It should ring alarm bells that you think the measure is a percentage but…
    
    The UK, for example, gives 39 weeks. Sweden gives 55. Italy gives 47. Finland gives 161.
    
    Well she lied didn’t she
    
    No, it’s just a bunch of people can’t read tables.
    
    Strange not one of the Media experts thought to point it out
    
    Perhaps media “experts” can read tables?
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:36am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I think you will find that there has been a miscalculation for the Finnish figures in the OECD report.
      Finland does not give parental leave (including maternity leave) of 161 weeks.
      
      It gives 105 working days maternity leave and 158 working days paternal leave – all up about – 52 weeks.
      http://www.kela.fi/web/en/parental-allowances
      
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      November 7, 2017 11:11am
  - Longknives
    
    How dare you question our ‘Dear Leader’ backster??
    Straight to the Gulag for you…
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:53am
    - itstricky
      
      Straight to the Gulag for you…
      
      Don’t you mean straight back to school and straight back into mathematics with statistics classes ?
      
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      November 7, 2017 10:03am
Nookin

Gee, Jacinda really stuck it to the Aussies over their restrictions on Kiwis in Oz.
Who would have thought that including Aussies in the free education policies would have Turnbull shivering in his shoes?
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November 7, 2017 8:58am
- flipper
  
  Yes Nookin,
  The Prince of Point Piper will still be shaking….. but from belly laughing at us.
  
  She is a silly, wet behind the ears, fool. And even MFAT could not save us from her!
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:13am
- Lance
  
  He even kept mentioning his like for John Key and how well he did things.
  The significance was probably over her head
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:50am
Digmen1

And why do our leaders keep asking for better conditions for kiwis in Australia!

To me they are traitors who have deserted New Zealand to work in and build up another country.

They knew the rules when they left.
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November 7, 2017 9:04am
- Lance
  
  Trouble is they pay tax in Aus during there peak earning years but come back to bludge off the NZ tax payer when it all turns to shit.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:51am
  - Piniwi
    
    Some Lance but many just pay withholding tax while earning and avoid the IRS.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:30pm
RF

Anyone seen the red dwarf lately.

I am hearing persistent rumours on the beltway about the commie chicks patron and health wise he is not flash.

When she heads off overseas with her bags packed with tea and biscuits for the adults morning teas it scares me that the red dwarf could be left in charge.

However if he does go with her, he will want to be joint PM calling the shots so that could be interesting.
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November 7, 2017 9:04am
- Inandout
  
  Parliament opens 11am today so Winston may be sighted. If he doesn’t show up then he may have a problem with his health. How a human body can withstand decades of smoking, drinking and little sleep is beyond me.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:49am
  - RF
    
    I heard that he has cut out booze and fags. Maybe at this late stage he has seen the light.
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:10am
  - Happychappy
    
    Will Beerly sober be in the house holding Winston Firsts hand today.
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:55am
- VicParking
  
  Winstons going with her. Little or Robertson will be in charge.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:03am
  - Inandout
    
    Watch Robertson, he may well be the next PM.
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:16am
  - backster
    
    What happened to former Deputy Davis shouldn’t he be the acting PM. or is he too stupid?
    
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    November 7, 2017 12:06pm
- Piniwi
  
  Actually RF he is in Vietnam with Parker and will be joined by the Commie Chick for APEC talks (conversations) then on to Manila for 13th & 14th. So we can look forward to an entertaining Oral QT on Tuesday. Who will be the Queen for the day while the PM & DPM both away. Mousses will indeed be able to play then. Lol
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:40pm
flipper

Heh folks …..
We really are being too hard on the Peters/Ardern Regime and their MSM shills.
I asked one Peters/Ardern supporter yesterday where the regime would get the money to pay for for all their grandiose promises. The answer ?
“The Government !”
Expletive deleted.
The woman actually appeared quite puzzled when I explained that Governments per se have no money of their own. They only have our money.
And from whence did that idiot come?
Teaching !
Lord help my Grandchildren. The teachers won’t.
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November 7, 2017 9:04am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Not all teachers are Labour Stooges. Unfortunately, the union scum that dominates the teaching profession allow no dissent, so we shut up and remain under the radar. Another term for their behaviour is “Work Place Bullying”, the very thing the unions rant about.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:33am
  - mandk
    
    Teaching isn’t a profession, it’s a trade.
    
    The Unions have made sure of that.
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:01am
- Poppa
  
  It really does defy belief that we have these people walking amongst us & having so little knowledge of the real world
  
  Of course Cindy believes that the Government has all of the money & has no regard for the people who provided it. Lollies for all
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:51am
- cmm
  
  Homeschooling…. every day I’m more and more glad we did that for our kids.
  
  NZ has some of the most flexible homeschooling laws in the world.
  
  Sure that means we lived on one income, but life is all about priorities.
  
  I’m not saying that everyone should make the same choice as we did, but the choice is there.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:18am
Digmen1

I’d liek to know more about the Houti missile shot down by the Saudi patriot missiles at the airport.

It seems that the system worked, but did it? There are reports of debris from the missile near the airport.

If so that is cutting it a bit fine!
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November 7, 2017 9:06am
Hugh Pavletich

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/

Chinese flee Australian property … MacroBusiness Australia (behind paywall) …

By Houses and Holes in Australian Property

at 12:29 am on November 7, 2017

The drumbeat for the developing east coast apartment bust is growing louder, via The Australian: One in five foreign apartment buyers in Brisbane are failing to settle due to tighter restrictions on moving money out of China, according to investment bank UBS, which is also watching the prospects for foreign purchases of off-the-plan units in … read more via hyperlink above …
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November 7, 2017 9:10am
- flipper
  
  Chinky Hughie ????
  Again ????
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:17am
  - Jack5
    
    Flipper never misses a chance to use the racist term for Chinese.
    
    Don’t you like them, Flipper? Or don’t you like China’s new influence in NZ?
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:40am
    - kowtow
      
      Jack
      
      Chinese influence here is a problem ,on many levels .It is right the issue is raised and discussed.
      
      The left fucked our alliance with the USA and the media , academics and other leftists celebrate that constantly.
      
      Yet a dictatorial undemocratic and expansionist China, at complete odds with New Zealand values, seems to get a free pass from left and right here .
      
      “Last week, after discussing on Radio NZ the Newsroom suspicions that NZ MP Jian Yang may be a spy for mainland China I blogged my explanation that time did not permit with Jim Mora. I predicted that the Communist government could expect their spies who have penetrated New Zealand leading circles to be sheltered by our elite’s PC terror of being accused of racism.”
      
      http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/q-e-d-on-spies-from-the-minister-responsible-for-our-security-intelligence-sevices/
      
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      November 7, 2017 9:48am
kowtow

We’re being lied to again.
Bonn Climate Conference.
Fiji chairing.

Latest poster child is a village called Vunidogoloa. Had to be moved to the hills due to rising sea levels.
Featured heavily on lying TV1.

But if sea levels are rising so much why isn’t everyone on the coasts of Fiji being moved?

Vunidogoloa looks like it was built in a swamp, it was protected by a sea wall. The sea wall has failed .

It’s not sea level rising. It is poor management of coastal infrastucture and coastal erosion in a very vulnerable environment.
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November 7, 2017 9:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  There was no mention of the Geology of the area.
  Vunidogoloa was originally built on the foreshore at the head of Natewa Bay…. The largest Bay in the Island.
  https://www.researchgate.net/figure/283980043_fig1_Fig-1-The-location-of-Fiji-and-Vunidogoloa-village-red-circle-in-relation-to-the
  The area has been experiencing salt-water intrusion since the mid- 1950s.
  
  If global rising sea-levels were to blame, all islands would be evacuating their coastal dwellers… seems only to be poor island nation states that are holding their hands out for climate cash.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:19am
Lance

One of the other cases (can’t remember which) is a low lying atoll.
But the atoll is sinking. Too many people living on a fragile structure, messing with the coral.

The sea is rising but at a very slow rate. We would have to see huge melting of inland Antarctica before we really noticed it at sea level. There is a shit load of water frozen in Antarctica, km’s deep.
Mind you, by then it would be too late to stop it, if we could
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November 7, 2017 9:31am
- Brito
  
  The ice in the interior is currently increasing (NASA) in thickness and density. Go figure.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:46am
- cmm
  
  Is the sea rising or the atoll sinking?
  
  When they start pumping fresh water out of the aquifers they deflate and the ground sinks.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:26am
Dave Mann

Has anybody else here seen the picture of Devin Kelley, the church gunman, and thought that ‘he’ looks like an ‘it’?

Either the photo is a completely fake computer generated image, or that person had some serious gender issues. If so, I can imagine that life wasn’t all happy families in good ‘ol Texas yeehaaa. Watch as the investigation unfolds.
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November 7, 2017 9:42am
- Inandout
  
  He has a bushy beard in one photo.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:52am
  - Dave Mann
    
    In which case, the photo I saw was fake. There wasn’t a single hair follicle on its face.
    
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    November 7, 2017 9:58am
- waikatogirl
  
  He was arguing with his mother-in-law. It was the church she attended.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:52am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Oh yes I see that report now…. still doesn’t mean he wasn’t transitioning into a trans thingy, of course, but maybe I was jumping to conclusions a bit.
    
    But hey… what about the hero cowboy dude with the neck tats? Gee. Wouldn’t you just love to live in Texas? Imagine life in a place like that with everybody armed to the teeth… OMG
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:21am
    - cha
      
      Thing is, he didn’t stop the shooting. The shooting went just fine.
      
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      November 7, 2017 11:37am
- MCos
  
  So let’s get this straight.
  Based on a photograph you saw of this particular person you, and to the best of my knowledge, you alone, have decided this person is transgender, which to you means he (note he hasn’t/didn’t change his name so I’m assuming he is/was happy, inasmuch as he obviously wasn’t happy, to still be referred to as a male) needed no other reason to go out and shoot up a church full of innocent people.
  
  P.S. when I say ‘to the best of my knowledge’ I didn’t go lurking around the murky depths of the internet reading blogs by every wretched crackpot to find if someone had ‘irrefutable’ evidence that this chap was transgender.
  
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  November 7, 2017 1:29pm
dime

why does the govt think the likes of Dime needs their $400 a week if i have a kid?

non targetted welfare everywhere i look!

but whats the alternative? no “free” shit for the likes of dime and that money used on some garbage program instead of a tax cut.

national were just as guilty as chompers.
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November 7, 2017 9:43am
Rich Prick

Where’s Winston? Come out and own this shower of shit you demented old fool.
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November 7, 2017 9:44am
- MCos
  
  On his way to the APEC meeting
  
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  November 7, 2017 2:10pm
softail 1450

2PM TODAY ,PARLIAMENT TV ,IT WILL BE BETTER THAN WATCHING A TRAIN WRECK AND A FIST FIGHT AT THE SAME TIME, AND WE WILL AT LAST SEE THE GNOME PETERS AGAIN.i have taken a couple of hours off work to watch this epic shitfight,,,yeeeee haaaaaa.
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November 7, 2017 9:45am
- VicParking
  
  No question time today, just opening cer a moan e
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:13am
- artemisia
  
  Empty seat next to Ms Ardern. Where is Mr Peters? Enquiring minds want to know.
  
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  November 7, 2017 1:22pm
SPLOOGE

Super should be means tested and the age raised.
There are plenty that don’t actually need it.
Any politician that has a government pension should automatically be disqualified.
If your income is over a certain amount it should be gradually reduced until it’s zero.
Anyone found to be claiming a pension while having hidden assets should be charged like any other benefit fraudster.
The problem is that no one in power has ever had the guts to do it.
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November 7, 2017 9:53am
- Jack5
  
  The yacht and the BIG Audi would rule you out, Splooge.
  
  How selfless of you!
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:02am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    I fully intend to retire onto a yacht and I’ll not be here for that. I’ll be where it’s warm and the sun shines.
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:34am
    - Brito
      
      Partly right. Where you’re going it’s warm, wet and a wee bit rank…and the sun most certainly doesn’t shine.
      
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      November 7, 2017 11:37am
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      Where it’s warm and the sun shines – licking the ring on a blowup doll of your goddess saviour princess cisgender ? Let’s screw this !!
      
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      November 7, 2017 12:34pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Ohh dear me. The amount of stupid here is astounding.
        The perverted fantasies from some of the posters….
        
        It’s fucking hilarious.
        
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        November 7, 2017 4:25pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Ohh dear me. The amount of stupid here is astounding.
        
        And you’re contributing to it.
        
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        November 7, 2017 4:28pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        *responding to it.
        
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        November 7, 2017 6:22pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        *resploogeing to it.
        
        * * * little sploodges * * splodging up the poor old internet ** * * look at them ** * * ** splodgy splodgy splodgy * * * *
        
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        November 7, 2017 8:15pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  That would penalise responsible savers, hard workers and honest people; and it would incentivise avoidance behaviour and dishonesty, creating work for tax advisers, lawyers and accountants who might otherwise be engaged in something constructive and worthwhile.
  
  Is that what you want?
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:07am
  - VicParking
    
    You work hard, pay lots of tax and GST, save your money to buy a nice house to live in when you retire. Then along come these socialist pricks and reduce your pension to give it to the dead beats who pissed up and smoked all their lives.
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:17am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      ”pissed up and smoked all their lives”
      Yeah well,at least they had fun unlike the sticks in the mud.
      
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      November 7, 2017 10:24am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Greed and dishonesty is rife in this country Albert.
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:23am
    - cmm
      
      Surely nothing more greedy than a person who does nothing for society and takes from those that create value.
      
      Surely nothing more dishonest than voting for people that give you stuff. It is a massive conflict of interests.
      
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      November 7, 2017 10:30am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Ohhh gawd. cmm you really need to stop just making up the dialogue.
        You have no idea who I voted for, or even if I voted.
        I’m a positive contributor to this country.
        The biggest leeches in New Zealand are those that need it least.
        
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        November 7, 2017 10:37am
    - rangitoto
      
      There are certainly a vast number of bludgers. Mostly Greebore voters.
      
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      November 7, 2017 10:51am
    - Happychappy
      
      Bullshit artists is classed in the dishonesty clause SLOOGE so don’t talk to loud as you have a habit of stretching the truth.
      
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      November 7, 2017 11:05am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Pfft. The only one talking crap here is you HC
        Unless you care to show where I’ve been dishonest I ask you do shut your stupid mouth.
        The hypocrisy drips off the walls here in Kiwiblog.
        
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        November 7, 2017 11:40am
      - Brito
        
        Ok, I can do this one Happy.
        
        You said SPLOOOOGE you are a positive contributor. Positive and SPLOOOOGE don’t go together. Lie!
        
        You said you are going to go on holiday where it’s sunny. You’re only going to be able to go where the sun never shines, and that’s you know where. So, another lie.
        
        I could go on.
        
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        November 7, 2017 11:53am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        ”Ok, I can do this one Happy.”
        
        Bahahaaaaa.
        Well you made a dog’s breakfast of that.
        FFS. I’ve said it before. Your pathetic attempts at riling me up are laughable and pointless.
        
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        November 7, 2017 12:13pm
      - Brito
        
        But dickhead that implies I read your stuff and remember it. It ain’t that good.
        
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        November 7, 2017 12:26pm
- Digmen1
  
  I’d agree to that if the dpb was treated similarly.
  Any woman that asks for it should promise not to have another child and if she does then it will be cancelled.
  Actually, it rather it was cancelled altogether and our taxes reduced accordingly so that charities could look after them.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:08am
  - treadingthemill
    
    Practically speaking that would be impossible. There are no charities in New Zealand, and not nearly enough of them, with the resources and funding to do the job. That is why the DPB was established in the first place. And the funding issue would mean that a lot of people, most likely the very wealthy, would have to dig deep to make it happen, which means whatever tax they had been given back would be gone anyway. More likely not enough would want to do it, and we would end up with extreme levels of poverty, which would quickly, and rightly, create a public backlash, and a new government would get voted in to do something about it. All in all, an unrealistic proposal.
    
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    November 7, 2017 10:31am
- MickMac
  
  Rubbish.
  If they’ve paid taxes, they own it.
  Unlike most of Labours supporters.
  Not for you lardarses to interfere with their Super.
  
  Bugger off Splooge.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:15am
- treadingthemill
  
  Super should be means tested
  
  That has already been tried in the 1990’s. It was a bureaucratic nightmare, and hugely unpopular.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:34am
- KevOB
  
  And you have yet to grow old an ind need.
  You have no idea of what you are writing about.
  
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  November 7, 2017 2:36pm
Don the Kiwi

My uptick must be just about the first one you’ve received, SPLODGE. 🙂
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November 7, 2017 9:59am
- GoVege
  
  Sorry Don…meant to uptick you for agreeing with Splooge, especially on this one.. 🙂
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:02am
- SPLOOGE
  
  I knew you’d come around to my way of thinking Don.
  Now be a good chap and brew a pot of tea,
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:39am
  - stigie
    
    If you’re a good chap Don, Splurge might take you down to the modelers pond to play with his yacht !~
    
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    November 7, 2017 11:57am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Brilliant reply.
      I love the way you grab hold of something you made up and keep on running with it. It never stops being funny.
      Can’t wait for the next installment stigie.
      
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      November 7, 2017 12:08pm
RF

I hear the Christchurch Press has a very funny cartoon about the commie chic’s Aussie visit.

Anyone seen it ?
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November 7, 2017 10:14am
Biscuit

Melbourne Cup today!

My two usual questions, ha:

Will I manage to improve on my pathetic win rate (2 winners from 48 attempts!) re the event?
Will the TAB’s antiquated pile of tin get through the day without its traditional ‘crash’?

If I was framing a market, the ‘No-No’ option would be the raging hot favourite!

[Wall Of Fire is the horse I have cursed this year]
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November 7, 2017 10:16am
- Longknives
  
  I heard the NZ TAB is actually offering a fixed odds option on what time their system will crash today!
  
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  November 7, 2017 11:18am
Albert_Ross

So we hear a lot about how Government ought to govern for all New Zealanders. Why doesn’t anybody ever challenge that meaningless, if not actively misleading, platitude?

Think about it. What could any Government actually do, for you personally?

A) Spend other people‘s money on things that you like

B) Stop other people from doing things that they want to, but you don’t like

C) Force other people to do things that they don’t want to, but you like

But that’s not governing for all New Zealanders. That’s siding with some New Zealanders against other New Zealanders.

Is there anything else you can think of that Government can do, that genuinely would be to the benefit of all New Zealanders, not just the ones like you?

In short, Governments should not be allowed to get away with saying they are working for all New Zealanders. Instead they should be forced to make explicit exactly who they are siding with, and at whose expense.
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November 7, 2017 10:17am
- treadingthemill
  
  Is there anything else you can think of that Government can do, that genuinely would be to the benefit of all New Zealanders
  
  Defense, hospitals, health care, the fire service, the police, foreign affairs and trade, welfare that is available to all who need it, and more. All of these things are of benefit to all New Zealanders.
  
  But that’s not governing for all New Zealanders. That’s siding with some New Zealanders against other New Zealanders.
  
  No, if there is an overall net benefit to society, then that is governing for all New Zealanders. And there is an overall net benefit to reducing poverty for everyone.
  
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  November 7, 2017 10:40am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Hospitals, health care, the fire service and welfare, are all things that don’t have to be done by Government. Many people could ensure these things for themselves if they wanted to. They could even donate to charities to help other people to get them, if they want to help other people. But if they don’t want to, the only benefit of Government forcing them is (again) to other people.
    
    Yes, some people couldn’t afford it even if they wanted to. Government provision for such cases may be merited, but it is not to the benefit of all New Zealanders. It is, again, to the benefit of some New Zealanders at the expense of other New Zealanders.
    
    Similarly, how exactly do you calculate that there is an overall net benefit to reducing poverty for everyone? Certainly, it would be good if poverty were to reduce, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a net benefit to society as a whole. That depends on how it happens, and at what cost.
    
    If Government forcibly takes money from some people and gives it to other people, the latter group may benefit, assuming they make good use of the money – but not by as much as it costs the former group, because of the administrative cost of collecting the tax, the opportunity cost of what else they might have done with the money etc. No “net benefit to everyone” there.
    
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    November 7, 2017 11:13am
    - treadingthemill
      
      Hospitals, health care, the fire service and welfare, are all things that don’t have to be done by Government.
      
      You left out police and defense. That seems arbitrary to me, and suggests you do think the government should do some things via taxation. I think that exposes a contradiction in your thinking. Unless you advocate no government and no taxation, you’re just moving the line about it should and shouldn’t do, and what it should or shouldn’t tax people for, which contradicts your initial point. And I have never seen any real world evidence that the private sector can do the things on your list. It would also create anomalies. If you privatise the fire service, then that means people have to pay for the service, and only they get that service. But fires don’t respect property boundaries.
      
      Yes, some people couldn’t afford it even if they wanted to. Government provision for such cases may be merited.
      
      Which renders your proposal meaningless.
      
      If Government forcibly takes money from some people and gives it to other people
      
      It does not do so forcibly, but by democratic consent.
      
      it would be good if poverty were to reduce, but that doesn’t mean it’s necessarily a net benefit to society as a whole
      
      Less poverty, especially if we had the extremes you can find in other places in the world, means less crime. The opposite means more crime and higher policing and insurance costs. Not to mention less begging on the streets, which people don’t want. And less poverty related diseases. Overall, there is a net benefit to society.
      
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      November 7, 2017 11:33am
    - treadingthemill
      
      The basic problem I see with your idea, which I have hinted at already, is that you’re being inconsistent. The core ethical point you’re making is that people should not be taxed for things that are not a benefit to them, at least in your opinion, and that such taxation is being raised by force, and both of these practices according to you are wrong ethically. But to be consistent with that core ethical claim you must argue for no government and no taxation at all, at any level. That would be anarchism of course. Because the instant you say that we must have some government, and some taxation, you have walked away from your core ethical argument. For example defense and the police. You may choose to believe that these are necessary functions of government, of benefit to all, and thus worthy of taxation, but someone else might not. They might think that defense and the police should also be privatised, and that they should not have to be taxed, by force, for those things. So unless you are arguing for anarchism, your argument is meaningless. All you are doing is shifting the line of tax/no tax around in a an entirely subjective way. So ethically speaking, your argument is inconsistent.
      
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      November 7, 2017 12:00pm
dime

Anthony Weiner started his prison sentence yesterday HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

im guessing he hasnt spilled any beans on hillary.. then again, if he dies in prison, we know he knows too much!
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November 7, 2017 10:35am
- Inandout
  
  Prison is the ideal place to mysteriously die, but in Weiner’s case he will have protection.
  
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  November 7, 2017 11:37am
Manolo

Of course he didn’t know, right?
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/06/bono-lithuania-shopping-centre-profit-tax-investigation-paradise-papers

Bono has expressed horror that a Lithuanian shopping centre business he invested in may have fallen foul of the country’s tax rules.

In a statement, the U2 frontman said he would be “extremely distressed if even as a passive minority investor … anything less than exemplary was done with my name anywhere near it”.
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November 7, 2017 11:43am
- kowtow
  
  Bongo is a hypocrite and has been for a long time.
  
  “U2 for 20 years availed of a 1960s era income tax exemption that was introduced to aid indigent artists and in 2006, in response to the ceiling on its tax-free status, the rock group moved its prime money-making unit to the Netherlands.”
  
  http://www.finfacts.ie/irishfinancenews/article_1026589.shtml
  
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  November 7, 2017 3:18pm
SPLOOGE

“Arrests made in Sunbeam Milk Bar robbery – Gore”

Police have arrested and charged four male youths for the aggravated robbery of the Sunbeam Milk bar in Gore at approximately 7:20pm on 5 October 2017.

A 16-year-old, two 15-year-olds and a 14-year-old have all been charged and are due to appear in Invercargill Youth Court on 10 November 2017.

A fifth male offender who is 12-years-old has been referred to Youth Aid.
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It only takes one to squeal.

http://www.police.govt.nz/news/release/arrests-made-sunbeam-milk-bar-robbery-%E2%80%93-gore
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November 7, 2017 11:46am
Digmen1

Actually all governments should do is defence, security, police, “justice”, and customs.

Then reduce taxes, and number of Mps,

Everything else can be done by the private sector.
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November 7, 2017 11:54am
- treadingthemill
  
  Everything else can be done by the private sector
  
  In theory so could the things on your list, such as defense and the police, and the courts. And National’s experiment with private prisons was a bit of a disaster.
  
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  November 7, 2017 12:04pm
Digmen1

If Labour want to “govern” for all New Zealanders, they should not accept any muslim refugees or immigrants.

They will or their offspring will, turn into islamic terrorists, and they will want Sharia law!

Keep our country safe!
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November 7, 2017 11:56am
Digmen1

Climate Change is a croc
They could not sell “Global Warming” so they changed its name!

There have always been floods
There have always been hurricanes
There has always been erosion (Kiribas)
There have always been forest fires

If you are really worried about the world’s survival, you could do three things.
Demand population control by countries such as China, India, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Uganda, Niger etc
Demand that North Korea stops its missile and nuclear programs and withdraws all of its border artillery.

And demand the closure of all mosques.
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November 7, 2017 12:01pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers.

“I have a two commentaries on the unfolding scandal of the Paradise Papers.

They are available here

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/06/britain-tackle-tax-avoidance-repeatedly-failed-paradise-papers

https://leftfootforward.org/2017/11/the-tax-avoidance-of-the-paradise-papers-is-the-direct-result-of-tory-inaction/

…..

Regards

Prem Sikka “
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November 7, 2017 12:07pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  steve sends his love . . .
  See ?
  I spray and walk away
  Rubbish Stays ?
  I walk away
  
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  November 7, 2017 12:28pm
  - RalphT
    
    LRaC, at least it was short.
    
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    November 7, 2017 1:51pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Thanks for that. I’ve been busy working and paying Tax to help all those living in poverty
    
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    November 7, 2017 5:38pm
    - Left Right and Centre
      
      I hope you don’t mind my putting up your poster if I see you haven’t been in . . .
      
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      November 7, 2017 8:10pm
Fletch

Republican Senator Rand Paul’s socialist neighbour attacks him, for no good reason at all, breaking 5 ribs. Rand was just getting off his ride-on mower and still had his earmuffs on when the guy cowardly attacked him from behind.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/sen-rand-paul-recovering-from-injuries-suffered-in-alleged-assault/2017/11/05/6380c78a-c250-11e7-84bc-5e285c7f4512_story.html
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November 7, 2017 12:09pm
- treadingthemill
  
  I read the article. It did not say anything about his attackers politics, and it did not say that there was a political motivation. They were neighbors in a wealthy gated community. So where did you get “socialist neighbour” from?
  
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  November 7, 2017 12:16pm
  - Fletch
    
    Jim Bullington, a former member of the city commission, knows both men. He said Sunday that Boucher is divorced and lives alone. Bullington described Boucher as a socialist.
    
    “He’s pretty much the opposite of Rand Paul in every way,” Bullington said in an interview.
    
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    November 7, 2017 12:18pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Yes, but is he also…Roman Catholic? 😉
      
      You know, like Guy Fawkes!
      
      Or (we’ve already Godwinned today) Hitler. 😉
      
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      November 7, 2017 12:20pm
      - Fletch
        
        I’m pretty sure that the Catholic theology doesn’t endorse attacking people. He would be going against the tenets of the faith.
        
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        November 7, 2017 12:24pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Not so!
        
        Pope Francis has weighed into the debate over freedom of expression in the wake of the murderous attacks in Paris, saying that anyone who insults a religion can expect “a punch in the nose”…Throwing a pretend punch, the Pope said: “It’s normal. You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others.”
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11347931/Pope-Francis-You-cannot-make-fun-of-the-faith-of-others.html
        
        And as a good Protestant (i.e., one who protests against the perceived abuses and errors of Roman Catholicism), seldom by (intended) insult, but most certainly by occasional fun in the fine tradition of Erasmus and Martin Luther, I suggest your Pope and alleged vicar of Christ on earth (blasphemy!) should keep his fists to himself… 😉
        
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        November 7, 2017 12:31pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Wow, This Francis guy is a real twat. The world does not need apologetics for religiously inspired violence.
        http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6080/6062877607_db24a2c928_z.jpg
        
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        November 7, 2017 1:09pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        I’m pretty sure that the Catholic theology doesn’t endorse attacking people.
        
        The crusades? The Albigensian crusade? The inquisition? The witch hunts? Christian theology can be very fluid when it comes to violence.
        
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        November 7, 2017 4:18pm
      - realityczech
        
        “I’m pretty sure that the Catholic theology doesn’t endorse attacking people. He would be going against the tenets of the faith.”
        
        Jesus wept Feltch that is the most bizarre comment ever !
        
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        November 7, 2017 8:14pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      At least the socialist is a man of actions.
      Besides,it’s not like Rand Paul hasn’t done something to deserve it.
      
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      November 7, 2017 12:29pm
      - realityczech
        
        “At least the socialist is a man of actions.”
        
        With around 200 million dead (and counting) since world war two, I have to agree.
        
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        November 7, 2017 12:34pm
- cha
  
  Damned white on white crime is a blight on gated communities.
  
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  NEW: statement from lawyer of alleged @RandPaul attacker, Rene Boucher: #RandPaulAttack pic.twitter.com/AsYIE9kc1j— Brooke Singman (@brookefoxnews) November 6, 2017
  
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  November 7, 2017 12:41pm
  - realityczech
    
    I blame colonisation by brown people.
    
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    November 7, 2017 8:16pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Shenanigans in parliament, four govt Mps absent for swearing in, so looks like Nats have numbers to install Anne Tolley as speaker. Heh. Edit, oh well, National looks like they took the high road instead of nailing COL’s disorganisation. Mallard elected.
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November 7, 2017 12:13pm
- cas
  
  Good work National. A question though if Peters and Parker haven’t been sworn in how can they represent us at APEC. they are not technically MPs so can’t negotiate, commit etc
  
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  November 7, 2017 12:35pm
- rangitoto
  
  Wheeling and dealing.
  
  “Bill English has just confirmed the deal struck with leader of the house Chris Hipkins was for 108 MPs on select committees and 5 chairs and deputy chairs. In exchange the government gets Trevor Mallard as Speaker.”
  
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  November 7, 2017 1:07pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Day one and Liarbore are so disorganised they forgot to count how many they had in the House. The first cockup of many more to come.
    Permanent supply of popcorn may be in order.
    
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    November 7, 2017 1:28pm
    - rangitoto
      
      “Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Winston Peters and Trade Minister David Parker are on their way to Manila for Apec. Green MP Gareth Hughes was also absent, as were Labour MPs Poto Williams and Priyanca Radhakrishnan.”
      
      Hopefully those not on official business will have their pay docked.
      
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      November 7, 2017 1:47pm
Jack5

A hundred years ago today the Bolshevik Revolution began in St Petersburg.

The Russians were still using the old Julian calendar so for the Reds it was the October Revolution.
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November 7, 2017 12:59pm
- rangitoto
  
  The Gregorian calendar is a papist plot!
  
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  November 7, 2017 1:08pm
- Kimbo
  
  Don’t leave us hanging, Jack5!! How did the story turn out?! 😉
  
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  November 7, 2017 1:09pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Vlad the bad Putin won in the end.
    
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    November 7, 2017 1:10pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Doesn’t Chou En-lai’s assessment of the French Revolution – “it’s still too early to say” – apply? 😉
      
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      November 7, 2017 1:12pm
  - Jack5
    
    Well St Petersburg is St Petersburg again, Kimbo.
    
    St Petersburg –> Petrograd —> Leningrad —> St Petersburg.
    
    But it sounds as though Nov 7, 1917 (our calendar) was a giant piss-up. These are the words of Antonov-Ovsenko, the Bolshevik military commander:
    
    “A wild and unexampled orgy spread over Petrograd… We tried to stop them by walling up the entrances. The crowd penetrated through the windows, forced out the bars and grabbed the stocks. An attempt was made to flood the cellars with water. The fire brigade sent to do this themselves got drunk… The whole city was infected by the drinking madness. At last the Council of People’s Commissars appointed a special commissar, endowed him with emergency powers, and gave him a strong escort. But the commissar too proved unreliable… Only after an intense effort was this alcoholic lunacy overcome.”
    
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    November 7, 2017 1:40pm
Fletch

Can you see it? 😆

Dog owner stunned to discover ‘exact image’ of Donald Trump in her pet beagle’s EAR

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dog-owner-stunned-discover-exact-11473363?ICID=FB_mirror_main
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November 7, 2017 1:16pm
- cha
  
  Pony owner stunned to discover ‘exact image’ of Trump’s hair on it’s head.
  
  https://coresites-cdn.factorymedia.com/mpora_new/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Trump-4.jpg
  
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  November 7, 2017 1:27pm
Happychappy

So National make Labour and the Coalition from he’ll look second rate and out of their depth when scoring the first hit with the select committees procedure or they would vote against Trevor Mallard becoming Speaker of the house. The coalition never had the numbers in the house and National had them by the short and curlys.
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November 7, 2017 1:19pm
- cmm
  
  The ClusterParty can’t even roll a six to begin.
  
  Twenty minutes into it with only 3 years to go!
  
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  November 7, 2017 1:37pm
Poppa

So it appears that Peters arranged to sue various people alleging his personal information was leaked dated the day before the election.

So was he ever going with National? You work it out.

All that so called negotiation was a complete farce & he was always going with the left if they had the numbers. My God I wish he got less than 5%. He is a despicable little twat
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November 7, 2017 1:23pm
- Happychappy
  
  Poppa dead right it was utu and like all his other bullshit he never had proof just like the Bill English emails all mouth and no substance. I also see his best mate Barry Soper got the plum job of releasing the story so all those people that think Soper is a neutral again just watch him do all Winstons dirty work.
  
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  November 7, 2017 1:33pm
flipper

While the nation went through the garbage of Peters’ selection process it seems that he never had any intention of doing other than going with the Toothfairy. The delay was simply designed to give him more leverage with Labour.
It now seems, at least according to W O H B that he filed High Court papers in relation to his pension issue on September 22. Those papers were served after noon today. The action is said to involve three (3) ministers with a total of nine 9) overall, includo9ng the MSD chief and NZ Herald/Newshub.
The bastard. Just like the money NZF filched from the taxpayer. Peters has set up a smoke screen to prevent examination of his actions in Parliamentary debate. This sort of person should never have been permitted to take the oath of office. He is totally unsuitable.
But that is MMP, is it not????
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November 7, 2017 1:35pm
- cmm
  
  Surely the more obvious leak was:
  (1) Either Winnie himself to make a scene
  -or-
  (2) A little Green birdie over at MSD who was upset about Winnie having a go at MeTu after her fraudulent shambles. They had been having a long running ding-dong battle.
  
  But Winnie knew he needed the Greens to do his little deasl and so he threw his toys at National – regardless of where the blame actually lies.
  
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  November 7, 2017 1:42pm
- Inandout
  
  Yes that is MMP.
  
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  November 7, 2017 1:43pm
  - cmm
    
    No, that’s just how some politicians rort MMP.
    
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    November 7, 2017 1:45pm
    - Inandout
      
      MMP is a terrible system, open to all kinds of rorting. I fear we are stuck with it as long as we have this veneer of democracy.
      
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      November 7, 2017 1:57pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Evidence for the rorting claim? We have it because twice we voted for it. That’s democracy. It’s a better system than FPP, which is less representative of the majority, and does now allow for the representation of any views outside the two main parties.
        
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        November 7, 2017 4:11pm
- Poppa
  
  The point is he has no proof of anyone doing anything, as usual it is all bluster and talk
  
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  November 7, 2017 1:50pm
  - cmm
    
    It still got out somehow. So it had to be one of:
    1) An MSD employee or minister
    2) Winnie himself
    
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    November 7, 2017 1:55pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Or a cleaner, or chinese hackers, or rawshark or….
      
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      November 7, 2017 2:40pm
- RF
  
  I am really pissed off as we have been played as fools by a devious old bastard.
  
  High Court papers filed on Friday 22nd – election held on Saturday 23rd.
  
  The dispicable sick prick had no intention of going with National and he has put the country through weeks of suspense for nothing but his pleasure.
  
  Labour appeared to be well prepared and hit the ground running after being so called selected and that makes me suspect that it was a done deal just after election night.
  
  He is lower than shark shit
  
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  November 7, 2017 2:20pm
  - Longknives
    
    I rate Winston on a par with Meteria as the most disgraceful,corrupt Politician in New Zealand.
    The lowest of the low.
    I’m not a NZ First voter but I have several (older) family members who were- They are fucking horrified by his betrayal of them after years of bullshit and promises…
    
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    November 7, 2017 2:32pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      I’m not a NZ First voter but I have several (older) family members who were
      
      Time to either get rid of your family or have them put in care. Anyone who was still prepared to swallow peters’ bullshit yet again after all that has gone before and who thought he wouldn’t go for the baubles and didn’t hate national passionately isn’t mentally competent.
      
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      November 7, 2017 6:11pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    What else does Winnie have hidden in the addendum to the CoL that we voters haven’t seen yet.
    
    Hang on tight folks, it will be a bumpy ride by the time everything is disclosed. ?
    
    Tricky Dicky had nothing on Winnie.
    
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    November 7, 2017 3:34pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    You were only played for a fool if you were stupid enough to vote for the dodgy old scrote.
    
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    November 7, 2017 6:06pm
cha

And they wonder why the chicom generals are able to cut their lunch and make off with their tech.

The Navy’s investigation into the so-called Fat Leonard corruption scandal has expanded to include at least 60 admirals, The Washington Post reported.

In all, the conduct of 440 active duty and retired personnel is now under review, according to the Post, which cited a Navy response to its questions.

The “Fat Leonard” scandal, the worst corruption scandal in Navy history, centers around Malaysian contractor Leonard Glenn Francis, who bribed scores of officers with extravagant parties, luxury gifts, prostitutes and more in exchange for classified information to win lucrative contracts for his Glenn Defense Marine Asia company.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/358924-fat-leonard-corruption-probe-expands-to-60-admirals-report
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November 7, 2017 1:54pm
flipper

The Peters case will in fact cause more attention to be focussed on this garbage issue than if it had been left to die. But reviving it is obviously seen as an excellent political diversion. Peters is a combatant who thinks that in 2017 he can give copies of court filings to a blog that in turn uses them to dump on former Ministers and others….. and to deny any knowledge. And that is a bridge for sale.
I guess the lesson to be learned is that in 2017 personal vendettas outweigh the interests of a nation. Political grandstanding by an individual who has made a “career” from unsourced leaks that turn out to be partisan assertions is sad !
Bugger the Nation. Getting “even” is more important. Being a party to that sort of activity is as low as the sort of shit peddled by Hager and his enablers. Very, very sad !!!
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November 7, 2017 2:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ever wonder why it is mainly men on the “refugee” boats crossing the Mediterranean?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41884354
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November 7, 2017 2:53pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Nowhere for the girls to run to Maggy.
  
  I watched part of Joanna Lumley’s Greece last night. In 1923 muslims in Greece were sent to Turkey while Turkey expelled Christian women and children with only a few personal possessions after the Turks first executed all men. It seems the lessons of history are soon forgotten.
  
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  November 7, 2017 3:42pm
- Longknives
  
  They aren’t ‘Men’ Maggy they are all 14 year old boys (According to the gushing Left-Wing Media..)
  What’s that you ask? Why have they all got full beards??
  Umm..Maybe Muslim Boys develop quicker?
  
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  November 7, 2017 3:52pm
- kowtow
  
  Invasions are usually led by a vanguard of fit strong men. Once established the families come and Muslims have very big families.
  
  The colonisation of Europe. And Europe’s “leaders” allowing it.
  
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  November 7, 2017 6:03pm
Left Right and Centre

Look at this white feral – two under two and due . . .

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/98486889/a-homeless-pregnant-single-mother-found-a-home-just-3-weeks-from-her-due-date

Her under two son kept asking to go home – yeah, like an under two year old really knows what’s going on and expressing their homesickness. Whatever.
She clearly didn’t starve to death. Looks like a total munter baby factory to me.
Where’s daddy/daddies ?
Honestly – who shagged that ?
Disgusting carry on.
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November 7, 2017 3:32pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Have a look at the next video after that clip:
  “PM defends Parliament opening day shambles”.
  
  Cindy did not look happy trying to fend off questions of incompetence and Chris Faafoi watching on did look like he believed his leader!
  
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  November 7, 2017 3:50pm
- Longknives
  
  Any Port in a Storm L,R&C…
  
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  November 7, 2017 4:13pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Two children under age 2 and now pregnant. Prob all different fathers. Nothing more than a bludger who knows that the NET TAXPAYER will give her money. How many more kids? I would say at least 7 more in 12 years
  
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  November 7, 2017 5:52pm
- kowtow
  
  If we have a problem housing our own problem cases then how the hell can we take in “refugees” ?
  
  Why aren’t the media asking that question?
  
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  November 7, 2017 6:00pm
  - nasska
    
    So long as we have one homeless NZ child living in poverdy we don’t have room for refugees.
    
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    November 7, 2017 6:28pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Perhaps she ate her previous home.
  
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  November 7, 2017 6:22pm
nasska

…..”Honestly – who shagged that ?”…..

Even more amazing……she’s been shagged at least three times!
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November 7, 2017 4:00pm
- Inandout
  
  She had a sperm donor at least 3 times, maybe whilst unconscious.
  
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  November 7, 2017 4:46pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”maybe whilst unconscious”….
    
    Her or the donor?
    
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    November 7, 2017 4:51pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Both
      
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      November 7, 2017 5:52pm
- stigie
  
  Gawd, who in there right mind would want to put their………!!
  ( Ive just chooked, can somebody finish it off for me )
  
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  November 7, 2017 5:27pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    who in there right mind would want to put their bargepole near that?
    Fixed it for you, go have a stiff single malt
    
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    November 7, 2017 5:54pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      I imagine after it’s more likely to be a limp single malt.
      
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      November 7, 2017 6:24pm
      - stigie
        
        How the hell can anyone get a hard on over that has got me beat !~
        
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        November 7, 2017 7:44pm
- Digmen1
  
  Some guys have no taste
  She is going to be a drain on all of us for the next ten years.
  Probably longer is another loser impregnates her.
  
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  November 7, 2017 7:46pm
  - stigie
    
    Probably her son Digmen..?
    
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    November 7, 2017 7:50pm
Morrissey

Ten Reasons We Got Rid of National
No. 3: Dr. Jian Yang

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11937380
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November 7, 2017 4:22pm
- Digmen1
  
  For once I agree with you.
  All Political parties should strictly vet the candidates they select!
  
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  November 7, 2017 7:48pm
  - Morrissey
    
    This is for you, Digmen….
    
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/77/54/03/77540399c7cbe389c35a6e89fe602af7.jpg
    
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    November 8, 2017 8:55am
cha

Well that was quite the finish.
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November 7, 2017 5:06pm
softail 1450

I have just watched kim hill interview Bill English,does anybody know wether hill has a nervous condition,? it was like watching an orchestra conductor conducting a really fast ballet, bloody arms and hands flying everywhere and her head blasting from one side to the other and a nasty piece as well .
or is she always like that,horrid ?
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November 7, 2017 5:14pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Yes.
  
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  November 7, 2017 6:05pm
Steve (North Shore)

Red Radio some time after 4pm. Going on about paid parental leave. They were pointing out that some make the mistake that the Employer pays, when it is actually the Government that pays.
Listen up you fucking morons, it is the NET TAXPAYER that pays
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November 7, 2017 5:41pm
Nostradamus

Melbourne Cup activists scale crane, block Flemington train line in Manus Island protest

A woman has been arrested and police have beefed up their presence at the Melbourne Cup, after a car was parked across the train line to Flemington Racecourse as part of a protest. Two other women scaled a crane to unfurl a protest banner at the Cup, which read “SOS: Evacuate Manus Now”.

The parked car, which had similar protest messages painted on its roof and bonnet, caused major delays on the Flemington Racecourse train line. Racegoers were forced to get off a train and walk along the tracks to the racecourse.

Not sure the racegoers would’ve been pleased about the disruption.

A group calling itself the Whistleblowers, Activists & Citizens Alliance (WACA) has claimed responsibility for the protest action.

WACKO might be a better acronym. Something like Weirdo and Collective of Kinky Oddballs?

“We are joining with others across Australia to demand that the Government evacuate the men on Manus immediately and bring them to safety for processing,” WACA spokeswoman Charlotte Lynch said.

A less charitable characterisation is that they were selfishly ruining a good day out for the punters.
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November 7, 2017 7:31pm
realityczech

Men not allowed in emergency housing. Filth whores and sluts only need apply.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98637801/ministry-makes-no-single-men-offer-to-push-through-emergency-housing-plan
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November 7, 2017 7:58pm
RF

A mate has just called in after attending an extended business lunch.

It was during this that someone checked their iPhone and discovered the cluster fuck at parliament today.

What a laugh. Not one of the group of 10 were obviously a supporter of the current left Govt as it was a talking point that dragged on for hours with more drinks etc.

These guys run businesses and doubt if Labour will last 1 term after discovering Peters was involved In the dodgy appointment of Labour.

Ha bloody ha……
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November 7, 2017 8:26pm
nasska

Anyone who says there is no cure for homosexuality has obviously never woken up with a hangover to find themselves sandwiched between Grant & Alf.
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November 7, 2017 8:59pm
- realityczech
  
  Homos are the only men barely tolerable under Labour. The rest are doomed.
  
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  November 7, 2017 9:15pm
stigie

So there’s three gay guys at a funeral for their three husbands who recently died in a plane crash. They all got cremated and one of them asks what they’re gonna do with the ashes. One guy says “I’m going to spread them in the ocean because he loved the ocean so much.” The next guy says ” i’m going to spread them across the mountains because he loved the mountains so much.” They then ask the third guy and he says “I’m going to put them in a bowl of chili.” he’s then asked “why” and he replies “So he can tear my ass up one more time.”
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November 7, 2017 9:16pm
Jack5

~~Kea~~ RealityDudCheque:

Is this one of your flock of relatives?

http://www.radioislam.org.za/a/index.php/latest-news/22365-watch-african-grey-parrot-recite-the-qur-an.html
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November 7, 2017 9:51pm
RF

A quick look at the Standard has made me laugh. The knuckle draggers are trying to find someone to blame for the complete fuck up today.

So far it’s Chippie, Ruth Dyson and the Green Party boy. Their heads are demanded.

Talk about fowls with their heads chopped off.
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November 7, 2017 9:54pm
Viking2

An old sign that I think the Labour Party have appropriated for their own theme.

https://www.screencast.com/t/uLb15XIKcwo
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November 8, 2017 6:34am
Manolo

Never shy:
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/359075-trump-takes-credit-for-stock-market-record
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November 8, 2017 6:42am
softail 1450

chippies first day organising the labour rabble,,,,ha,ha.ha,he,he,he,he,lol,lol,lol,lol, WTF was that? honestly did anyone expect anything else?
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