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William of Ockham

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The Non-Scientist Trump Chose for USDA Chief Scientist Is Now a ‘Cooperative Witness’ in Russia Probe
UPDATE: The White House announced Thursday that Sam Clovis has withdrawn himself from consideration for the position of USDA [Agriculture] chief scientist amid reports of his role in the Trump campaign’s communications with Russian officials.

As a non-scientist, he failed to meet the most basic legal qualifications to serve as the chief scientist at the USDA. His rejection of mainstream climate science—critical to the future of agriculture and the livelihood of farmers—and his history of racist and homophobic comments further disqualified him.

We look to the USDA as an authoritative source of scientific, economic, and statistical information about the nation’s food system, and it seemed extremely careless to put all that into the hands of an unqualified person.

Winning. So much winning. We’re going to get tired of winning.

Not you Trump. Robert Muller is coming for you.
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November 6, 2017 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Too much, too early
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:02am
  - Victor Omega
    
    Even with that much copypasta, he still didn’t get the spelling of Mueller’s name right. Smh.
    
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    November 6, 2017 8:51am
  - kaykaybee
    
    Thanks God for those of you who downtick before I get here
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:13am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Seek help Billy-boy.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:03am
  - stigie
    
    NURSE !!
    
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    November 6, 2017 8:06am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Dream on, its all blowing up in the Dems face.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:04am
- PhilBest
  
  Robert Mueller might find and prosecute any number of technical illegalities on the part of Trump team personnel, like mistakes in tax returns, in the course of this partisan witch-hunt – but regardless of the absence of actual evidence of any kind at any stage, we can expect the Left to trumpet “proof of collusion with Russia” every time one of the team gets pinged on totally unrelated issues.
  
  Even the 1950’s witch-hunts for Communists by the Committee for Non-American Values didn’t stoop this low.
  
  Meanwhile it looks like Team Hillary have been caught bang to rights on actual “collusion with Russia”. Not that you would know this from the MSM.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:08am
- hullkiwi
  
  Tom, where are you….?
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:15am
- Nostradamus
  
  Wow – William’s comment was downticked into oblivion by 8:21am – that must be a Kiwiblog record!
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:24am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    It was a team effort. Congratulations to all.
    
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    November 6, 2017 8:36am
- flipper
  
  PIGS knickers Denis..
  Get off the lignocaine dumbo!
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:38am
- Positan
  
  I think you should pack it in, Willie. While your contributions have never remotely resorted to balance, they’re so materially warped they aren’t even interesting any more.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:14am
- softail 1450
  
  crazy old william, waiting like a gunslinger, finger on his trigger ,or something else, to be first on the blog ,obviously has nothing better to do
  
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  November 6, 2017 3:44pm
  - sooty
    
    Whats the point saying it if it disappers in 20 min?
    
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    November 6, 2017 5:41pm
- realityczech
  
  Willie had no trouble with the “non scientist” Obama choosing scientists.
  
  Whistle blowers have now revealed those same scientists manipulated data for political reasons to make Obama look good.
  
  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/5/climate-change-whistleblower-alleges-noaa-manipula/
  
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  November 6, 2017 5:52pm
PhilBest

The single best online read on “The Hockey Stick” fraud.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/29/reflections-on-mark-steyns-a-disgrace-to-the-profession-about-dr-michael-mann/
Does William of Ockham still endorse this disgraceful exhibit?
“…For those who aren’t familiar with the work, Steyn’s book is a collection of highly critical comments by scientists of varying degrees of eminence concerning Michael Mann and his (in)famous “hockey stick” temperature graph. The book emanated from a still-ongoing lawsuit that Mann filed against Steyn for writing in a National Review Online article that the hockey stick was fraudulent. Steyn was struck by the fact that, when it came time to file third-party amicus briefs, no one filed a brief in Mann’s defense. So he began combing the Web and other resources, and found a plethora of critical comments that he collected into one volume In fact, by now almost everyone, skeptic or warmist, has backed away from this very flawed piece of evidence.
Together, the comments in Steyn’s book suggest that even in the midst of a great social hysteria like AGW much of the field of climatology is functioning more or less normally. Also, one finds the usual range of opinion that one finds in any science, although in this case it is somewhat muted, in part because of the possibility of intimidation from the more enthusiastic warmists and their followers…”
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November 6, 2017 8:01am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Wait for the abuse, its coming. I’ll read the whole article later but its very good judging by the bits I have read so far. I have always stated that I am neither a denier, nor an alarmist. It is the outcomes of robust debate, good scientific methodology and a lack of political interference that must be considered. Not a particular set of beliefs or a predetermined outcome. Unfortunately the IPCC has been guilty of this and they have stifled the scientific process.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:19am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    The comments below the article are great too. Unfortunately, I cant link directly to them, but scroll down to one written by a certain Allan M.R. MacRae. This link does work though. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/11/murry-salby-responds-to-critics/#comment-1396896
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:16am
    - PhilBest
      
      WattsUpWithThat is a treasure to humanity. The comments threads attract everyone right up to the highest levels of climate science knowledge and you can see the most thorough debates and discussions possible, taking place. Unlike the alarmist sites that moderate the other side out.
      
      Everyone should take a look at WattsUpWithThat at least once to get a fair idea what is going on – especially “investigative journalists” (hahahaha – they won’t ) and the policy advisors of “centre right” political parties who allegedly should be pushing back against obvious politically based charlatanism on whatever pretext (don’t know whether to laugh or cry, and don’t know whether National ever will recover its principles, even if there is now a search party been appointed, and even if the search party ever finds them).
      
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      November 6, 2017 3:37pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Murry is a crook
      
      Professor Salby’s employment was not terminated in any way related to his views on climate science, but rather due to misconduct in two areas. The first was his repeated refusal to teach, over a sustained period of time, in contravention of his contract of employment.
      
      The second reason was inappropriate use of University resources. Professor Salby travelled to Europe during a time when he was obliged to be at the University against direct, written instruction. Furthermore he used a University credit card to pay for the flights through an unapproved agency. This is against University policy.
      
      http://www.announcements.mq.edu.au/vc/professor_murry_salby_and_his_dismissal_from_macquarie_university
      
      In 1994 Salby set up a non-profit company to receive federal award funds from the National Science Foundation and other agencies for research in parallel with his research work at the University of Colorado, and in 2003 he formed another company as a subcontractor to receive charges for his efforts. Following allegations of an overlap between funding applications, the National Science Foundation began an investigation in March 2005. It advised the University of Colorado, which sought information from Salby but he did not cooperate with this investigation. In October 2006 the university produced its investigation memo, and suspended Salby’s privilege of submitting proposals from the university as well as restricting his access to university research facilities. In 2007, Salby was on sabbatical in Australia. Before the university made its final adjudication, Salby resigned from his faculty position. The National Science Foundation investigation report issued on 20 February 2009 found that Salby had overcharged his grants and violated financial conflict of interest policies, displaying “a pattern of deception, a lack of integrity, and a persistent and intentional disregard of NSF and University rules and policies” and a “consistent willingness to violate rules and regulations, whether federal or local, for his personal benefit.” It debarred Salby from receiving federal assistance and benefits until 13 August 2012
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murry_Salby
      
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      November 6, 2017 6:44pm
  - KevOB
    
    The IPCC were created for political purposes. The summaries for policy makers are put together by policymakers. However there are some scientists involved and in the 1000+ page assessment reports which follow the “summaries” a year later they explicitly deny they are capable of determining climate changes.
    https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/504.htm
    
    And this:
    “…we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”
    https://www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/505.htm
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:39am
    - PhilBest
      
      Exactly; the whole process of IPCC Report drafting and commenting and reviewing is kept a deep dark secret for a good reason. The IPCC even moved from NY to Geneva so they could escape US transparency laws. Sounds like they have nothing to hide, huh?
      
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      November 6, 2017 12:17pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Is it Phillip
        That’s funny
        All the process is on line .
        https://www.ipcc.ch/news_and_events/docs/factsheets/FS_review_process.pdf
        Any one can be a reviewer.
        Including such dingbats as lord monckton and our own Vincent R. Gray.All you need to do is put your name down to be part of the process
        All questions are answered and those answers are available .
        In other words you are talking shite you pulled from your arse yet again.
        I love it when loons waffle on about conspiracy
        It shows they are nutters who need help with reality
        
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        November 6, 2017 6:36pm
      - PhilBest
        
        “Anyone can be a reviewer” – provided they agree to secrecy!
        
        Where are the Draft Reports and Reviewers Comments, accessible online, please? Placed there by the IPCC, not a leaker.
        
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        November 6, 2017 9:00pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/syr/drafts/General_Comments_AR5_SYR.pdf
        
        https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/drafts/Ch00_WG1AR5SOD_RevCommResponses_Final.pdf
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        It is on the bloody web .
        Comments on the draft and replies including any action to change the draft .
        In other words phill you believe some fuckin dumb nonsense without taking the time to even look.
        You are just a gullible halfwit who gets his information from a bunch of cranks .
        
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        November 6, 2017 9:17pm
      - realityczech
        
        You are such a bullshitter Griffy.
        
        They can’t even prove the warming let alone that man may have caused the warming, if there was some, which there is not. 🙂
        
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        November 6, 2017 9:21pm
    - realityczech
      
      “…we should recognise that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”
      
      Exactly. Climate is way too complex for us predict.
      
      Low information Luddites like Griffy fantasize that science is like an all knowing religion. Poor ignorant little Griffy.
      
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      November 6, 2017 7:19pm
      - KevOB
        
        Elementary maths is sufficient to question the validity of climate change models and data handling.
        Commonsense says follow the money– its not hard to become sceptical. Deceitful emails don’t give respect either. The IPCC buries its truth in the midst of a 1000+ page report and has lay politicians prepare summaries a year prior as a basis for action.
        
        What is actually going on? Sea levels are not dropping on satellite observations. Measurements give stable temperatures over the past 20 years as the El Niño returns to base. The sun has lost its spots. Some scientists are predicting we have entered a prolonged colder downturn. Everybody else is lining up to take or pay for ETS credits and shutting down options to protect against such a possibility.
        
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        November 6, 2017 8:06pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Hello Kevin
        You talk a load of codswollop.
        Twenty years of no warming in your alternative reality…
        1997 to 2017
        Gistemp
        Trend: 0.184 ±0.097 °C/decade (2σ)
        
        This year is second warmest in record behind last year and in front of 2015 on the surface record.
        
        Satellites.
        October was a record for the month on RSS
        http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html
        TLT land with a record warmest October reported by UAH, a record by quite a big distance.
        http://www.drroyspencer.com/
        
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        November 6, 2017 8:20pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      You missed a bit.
      The most we can expect to achieve is the prediction of the probability distribution of the system�s future possible states by the generation of ensembles of model solutions.
      
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      November 6, 2017 7:43pm
- Brito
  
  Thanks Phil. Steyn is a shining light amongst the mist of bullshit coming from the likes of Griff et el.
  
  Particularly liked this piece.
  
  “The Medieval Warm Period – when Greenland got its name and was extensively farmed, and vineyards flourished in much of England – was a matter of uncontroversial historical record. But once you’ve decided to “repeal“ it, it’s amazing how easy it is.” (Steyn, 33)
  
  And as we deal with our latest climate cycle, it’s nice to see that the English once again have a wine industry.
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/09/bumper-year-english-wine-figures-show-now-130m-industry/
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:17am
- Gruffydd
  
  Global-scale temperature patterns and climate forcing over the past six …
  http://www.nature.com › Journal home › Archive › Article
  by ME Mann – ‎1998 – ‎Cited by 2092 – ‎Related articles
  Michael E. Mann, Raymond S. Bradley & Malcolm K. Hughes .
  
  Northern hemisphere temperatures during the … – Wiley Online Library
  onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/1999GL900070/abstract?guid=on
  by ME Mann – ‎1999 – ‎Cited by 2081 – ‎Related articles
  Michael E. Mann,. Close author notes. Department … Raymond S. Bradley, … Malcolm K. Hughes … First published: 15 March 1999 Full publication history; DOI: …
  
  That is over four thousand times the two papers have been referenced in other works .
  
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  November 6, 2017 6:53pm
  - realityczech
    
    Griffy, That is over four thousand times climate papers have quoted discredited studies.
    
    If you had some real science you would have presented it by now and not have to rely on lies lies lies and personal attacks.
    
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    November 6, 2017 7:11pm
  - Brito
    
    Griff, I studied this at Uni. I understand the science behind this and I’m afraid the depth of the bullshit put forward by your side is the only thing that is threatening to swamp coastlines.
    
    Papers published by Nature mean nothing. The publication of a paper is now a business and should not be trusted. The truth can be found in ice and in the sub strata. Look for yourself and don’t rely on others.
    
    https://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763
    
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    November 6, 2017 7:16pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Every major scientific body on the planet agrees with me .
      The governments of every country except two .
      The USA armed forces , the CIA, UN, WHO, World bank,every political party in NZ the worlds reinsurance industry etc etc etc .
      Guess what that makes you?
      A loony tune ..
      
      Papers published by Nature mean nothing
      
      References a paper published in nature about dodgy papers in other publications to prove it.
      ROFLMAO
      Have you heard of logic dingbat?
      
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      November 6, 2017 7:36pm
      - Brito
        
        Fucking bullshit again Griffoid.
        Every scientific body on the planet does not agree with silly old you.
        
        This statement makes you out for what you are…a crackpot. They all agree with Griff. “Phone Griff for confirmation.” “Call Griff to explain this process.”
        
        Smacks of megalomania Griffoid. Tell me what you think and back it up…if you can’t fuck off.
        
        Your science is false and continues to be proven so.
        
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        November 6, 2017 8:25pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        2009 In advance of the UNFCCC negotiations to be held in Copenhagen in December 2009, the national science academies of the G8+5 nations issued a joint statement declaring, “Climate change and sustainable energy supply are crucial challenges for the future of humanity. It is essential that world leaders agree on the emission reductions needed to combat negative consequences of anthropogenic climate change”
        national science academies of Brazil, Canada, China, France, Germany, Italy, India, Japan, Mexico, Russia, South Africa, the United Kingdom, and the United States
        
        The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society….The pace of change and the evidence of harm have increased markedly over the last five years. The time to control greenhouse gas emissions is now.[
        American Association for the Advancement of Science
        
        Global climate change is real and measurable…To reduce the global net economic, environmental and social losses in the face of these impacts, the policy objective must remain squarely focused on returning greenhouse gas concentrations to near pre-industrial levels through the reduction of emissions. The spatial and temporal fingerprint of warming can be traced to increasing greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere, which are a direct result of burning fossil fuels, broad-scale deforestation and other human activity.
        United States National Research Council
        
        he changes observed over the last several decades are likely mostly due to human activities, but we cannot rule out that some significant part of these changes is also a reflection of natural variability. Human-induced warming and associated sea level rises are expected to continue through the 21st century… The IPCC’s conclusion that most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations accurately reflects the current thinking of the scientific community on this issue.
        Federation of Australian Scientific and Technological Societies
        
        Human activity is most likely responsible for climate warming. Most of the climatic warming over the last 50 years is likely to have been caused by increased concentrations of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Documented long-term climate changes include changes in Arctic temperatures and ice, widespread changes in precipitation amounts, ocean salinity, wind patterns and extreme weather including droughts, heavy precipitation, heat waves and the intensity of tropical cyclones. The above development potentially has dramatic consequences for mankind’s future
        European Academy of Sciences and Arts
        
        There is now convincing evidence that since the industrial revolution, human activities, resulting in increasing concentrations of greenhouse gases have become a major agent of climate change… On-going and increased efforts to mitigate climate change through reduction in greenhouse gases are therefore crucial.
        European Science Foundation
        
        As reported by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), most of the observed global warming since the mid-20th century is very likely due to human-produced emission of greenhouse gases and this warming will continue unabated if present anthropogenic emissions continue or, worse, expand without control. CAETS, therefore, endorses the many recent calls to decrease and control greenhouse gas emissions to an acceptable level as quickly as possible.
        International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
        
        The EFG recognizes the work of the IPCC and other organizations, and subscribes to the major findings that climate change is happening, is predominantly caused by anthropogenic emissions of CO2, and poses a significant threat to human civilization.
        European Federation of Geologists
        
        consensus, based on current evidence, now exists within the global scientific community that human activities are the main source of climate change and that the burning of fossil fuels is largely responsible for driving this change. The IPCC should be congratulated for the contribution it has made to public understanding of the nexus that exists between energy, climate and sustainability.
        Network of African Science Academies
        Cameroon, Ghana, Kenya, Madagascar, Nigeria, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe, as well as the African Academy of Sciences
        
        I can keep going if you like
        
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        November 6, 2017 8:42pm
      - Brito
        
        UN! You have the audacity to use the UN as a creditable organisation? What the fuck is wrong with you.
        
        That left wing, socially engineered, Post Modern feminist construct is a hot bed of self lubing, back scratching fuckers who should lie down and die of embarrassment.
        
        “Global climate change is real and measurable.” That’s where we both agree. It’s been happening forever.If you fuckers focused on the heavy metals and the depleted uranium in rusting barrels on the bottom of the ocean, then I could have a conversation with you.
        
        The G8 +5 is a hoax. They kicked Russia out and so they’re off doing what they want and +5 is allowed to continue to pollute until they catch up with the Western World’s 1990 levels (which they smoked past about a decade ago).
        
        No Griff, your data analysts lie. That’s been proven. Your data is false, like your god, Allan of Gore. He disgusts me and the false trail he lays for gullible fools like you makes me weary.
        
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        November 6, 2017 9:38pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Ah yes
        The UN
        I just listed some major scientific body’s
        I can list hundreds more .
        You think picking on the UN makes a point.
        It makes the point that your mind refuses to engage with the evidence
        
        The things nutters do to stop the cognitive dissonance that their stupid world views entitles.
        
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        November 6, 2017 9:58pm
PhilBest

I don’t often post links to videos because quite frankly there are so many I wish KB-ers would watch, there would be too many! But this one can’t be omitted.
Prof. Jordan Peterson, one of the brightest minds on the planet, thrust into the limelight recently by the SJW complex, for daring to take a principled stand. On the Mark Steyn show recently, an excerpt, which is a valuable quick intro to the culture war and why the “centre right” should wake up before it is too late:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6vYMg2KEM8
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November 6, 2017 8:02am
- waikatogirl
  
  Thanks for posting that Phil.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:23am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Worth watching.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:28am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Compulsory viewing for people stupid enough to vote for the an egotistical politician who in aligning himself with the proponents of this carry on, put his own personal vanity and utu as a priority over the wellbeing of society.
    
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    November 6, 2017 1:24pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      put his own personal vanity and utu as a priority over the wellbeing of society.
      
      Or he put the well being of society before his vanity and need for utu. Or the well being of society aligned with his vanity and need for utu.
      
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      November 6, 2017 1:28pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Never heard of the guy before, but he seems intelligent and erudite. There are a lot of links there that may be worth watching. The Commies (especially the ones under my bed) won’t like him too much… Talking of Communists I see its 100 years since they inflicted tyranny on the world and caused the death of about 100 million people ( The Nazis only managed 25 million). Comrades… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSMYa-JOwKg
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:50am
- RF
  
  Very interesting.
  
  Is our commie chic a “sleeper” waiting to be activated.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:52am
  - Gabby
    
    Just waiting for the word from Comrade Jian rf rf.
    
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    November 6, 2017 2:48pm
- treadingthemill
  
  I didn’t watch the video, but I did read his Wikipedia page to check out his views. Speaking as someone who is very liberal on social issues, pro-feminist and pro-gay rights, I thought his criticisms of hardcore political correctness and post-modern political thinking were reasonable and valid. But I wonder how many of the hardcore pro-white, Christian conservatives on Kiwiblog would recognise that his criticisms would apply to them as well.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:29am
  - PhilBest
    
    Who on here is a “pro-white” Christian conservative? “God hath made all men of one blood to dwell on the face of the earth”, is what I go by. And the fact that early disciples and church fathers included blacks in their number; ‘Simeon called Niger”, St Augustine, etc.
    
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    November 6, 2017 12:21pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      Ead. Possibly some others, it’s hard to tell.
      
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      November 6, 2017 12:31pm
Paulus Gnome

Dear Abby,

I am soooooooooooooooooooo disappointed and demand a safe space to deal with this distress!

The Aotearoa Socialist Collection of Losers has been a sworn government for ten days and we still have poverdy, homleslessness, charter schools, a Reserve Bank, fireworks, suicides, inequality, a gender gap (whatever that is but I don’t have one so am disadvantaged) hospital waiting lists, people living in cars, obese people (as shown by those PI’s displaying the passion, read violence, for their league teams), those who can only have one overseas holiday a year . . . .

What I don’t seem to have is Campbell, the declining chip wrappers and Red radio reminding me on a daily basis what a terrible uncaring and soulless place New Zealand is! Without these impartial bastions of reporting, what hope is there that I can understand what a shitty place New Zealand is to live?

Yours, in a distressed state,

Gnome
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November 6, 2017 8:02am
- RalphT
  
  Take a dose of socialism twice a day and you’ll be ok within three years. Or a nervous wreck.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:08am
- cmm
  
  … and that cruel woman wants to inflict this misery on 150 “refugees”. Nasty!
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:28am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The slow train wreck that is happening is the best comedy around. But in some ways a catch 22 for me.
  I am freehold with a rental and vehicles, boats caravan etc. Some things will cost me more such as no Tax break and no Super increase, petrol for all. On the other hand I will move my investments to whoever is paying the most.
  Suck eggs Labour/NZF/Greens. I did not vote for you, but I have you by the balls
  
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  November 6, 2017 5:40pm
PhilBest

Quote of the day – from Theodore Dalrymple in a recent column:
“In these upside-down times, the self-evident is unsayable, and satire is prophecy”
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November 6, 2017 8:03am
- PhilBest
  
  “The self-evident is unsayable”: Dalrymple was talking about Germaine Greer being non-personed by her former feminist and lefty colleagues for her comments about “gender”.
  
  “Satire is prophecy”: Dalrymple could have been talking about Monty Python several decades ago:
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/07/monty-python-mocking-sjws-even-invented/
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:11am
billmurray

WE SHOULD NOT TAKE MANUS ISLAND REFUGEES.
ARDERN NEEDS SLAMMING.
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November 6, 2017 8:03am
- Inandout
  
  She also needs feeding.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:06am
  - VicParking
    
    And not Almond milk.
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:54am
- MrLovebucket
  
  I TOO WILL WRITE ALL MY MESSAGES IN CAPITALS. THIS ONE WAS WRITTEN IN WELLINGTON.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:08am
Inandout

Jacinda and Garner are way out of touch with voters on this Manus Island issue. Some may argue under MMP voter popularity is irrelevant, and they may be correct, but bad policy will eventually take its toll.
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November 6, 2017 8:05am
Paulus

After watching a little of the interview with Julie Anne Genter yesterday I am now firmly of the conclusion that Cindy has a lot to fear from the Greens not the National opposition.
I thought that she has appeared to be an intelligent considered MP but now that she has close to the Foreman’s job she appears to be a harridan who is going to stop at nothing to attempt to get her own way. A real feminista.
I am not enamoured in her American accent telling us how we are to lead our lives.
Is she a lesbian ? – does anybody know, but she gave that appearance from what she extolled.
Cindy – the Greens will be your worst nightmare.
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November 6, 2017 8:07am
- PhilBest
  
  I believe Julie Ann Genter is the hetero partner of one of NZ’s most active economists in the field of urban economics – the poor guy is guilty of work after work that is absolutely riddled with nonsense in attempts to justify and exonerate urban planning over the myriads of economic sabotage and social injustice for which it is patently responsible. Quite possibly he would be capable of better in happier domestic circumstances.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:13am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I noticed how she talked about equality but was proud 75% of Green MPs are women.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:16am
  - Prince
    
    All men are equal, etc.
    
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    November 6, 2017 8:24am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I can see you need to read the NZ Woman’s Weekly more often.
  
  https://www.nowtolove.co.nz/parenting/pregnancy-birth/green-mp-julie-anne-genters-baby-heartache-24966
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:33am
  - Inandout
    
    Genter’s house could easily absorb 10 refugees, and the diversity would enrich her lifestyle.
    
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    November 6, 2017 8:37am
    - lifesgood
      
      Does she hold dual citizenship? Just asking.
      
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      November 6, 2017 8:59am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Most probably…
        NZ allows for dual citizenship (and more….)
        US citizens don’t have to renounce their citizenship if they take up citizenship in countries that allow dual citizenship.
        
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        November 6, 2017 9:37am
      - VicParking
        
        Does she have a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
        
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        November 6, 2017 9:58am
      - GazzaW
        
        Will she renounce her right to use a gas-guzzling Crown limo and use public transport to/from Auckland and Wellington airports? Not to do so would be highly hypocritical.
        
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        November 6, 2017 10:30am
- kaykaybee
  
  I don’t like the arrogance of this woman. She’s barely 6% and she talks as if she’s PM and delivers all in a ghastly US accent. If only she’d go home to Trumpsville where she belongs. See how Donald would put up with her nonsense.
  
  Keep up that born-to-rule attitude though Julie Ann. Cup of cold sick methinks.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:19am
- Huevon
  
  Do you have a link to the interview? I had thought she was the only Green who wasn’t totally insane and will be disappointed to be wrong. They can’t help themselves I suppose.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:38am
  - Brito
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98569200/julie-anne-genter-govt-can-close-gender-pay-gap-in-public-sector-within-four-years
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:50am
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Democrat campaign manager sheboon Donna Brazile turns on her white liberal handlers in her new book!

“the Clinton campaign tilted the Democratic primary in its candidate’s favor by essentially seizing control of the Democratic Party purse, and using her influence to set strategy and spending priorities that favored the Clinton campaign over Hillary’s insurgent (and far more popular) rival, Bernie Sanders…She also described how her condescending and demeaning treatment at the hands of several senior Clinton campaign staffers made her feel like “Patsey the slave” from the movie “12 Years A Slave…Brazile also revealed that she considered using emergency powers to replace Hillary Clinton and Tim Kaine with Joe Biden and Corey Booker, after Clinton’s bout with pneumonia gave Brazile serious reservations about the candidate’s health. ”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-05/clinton-staffers-strike-back-say-brazile-bought-russian-propaganda
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November 6, 2017 8:12am
- marcw
  
  I tend to “consider” lots of things during my day too, but most if not all are just my mind actively thinking about what’s happening around me with no actual intent. It’s all just buyers regret here – and I can guarantee there are no memos or meeting minutes to back up her current attention seeking.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:23am
cmm

Here is a perfect example of a very stupid person being given a platform and proving how stupid they are:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11940536

A mother still breast feeds her 5 year old because “…it’s free. I must have saved thousands of pounds over the years.”

No sweetie. All that breast milk comes from food you had to eat. Due to the fact your body had to process that food into breast milk, your body needed extra feeding too.

Therefore it cost you far more than just feeding the kid directly.
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November 6, 2017 8:13am
oldpark

Latest story doing the rounds. Winston Peters that paragon of truth, trust, and honesty ,walked into a room full of his once loyal over 65s Gold Card supporters most of them on fixed income superannuation payments.
They were still recovering from the shock on how Peters had betrayed their trust,and how anytime soon he would also be voting against the small Super increase as promised by the Bill English and National. The very increases Peters had helped pass into legislation.
The room by this time ,with Peters arrival had gone very quiet. Even a pin dropping would have sounded out of place ,with the deathly silence.
Peters said to his betrayed once loyal elderly supporters.
“Dont you know who i am”. Someone piped up and said.
“Ask You’re Nurse”.
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November 6, 2017 8:13am
- Prince
  
  I’m waiting for the outrage from Grey Power at this Govt cancelling the $25 per week increase to National Super from April 1 next year.
  Where are the newsletters, the media releases, the planted media stories ?
  Or is Grey Power just another complicit arm for the Coalition of Losers ?
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:28am
  - VicParking
    
    GreyPower are NZ First’s cheerleading team and can see no wrong in Winston. He is one of them, a geriatric drunk.
    
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    November 6, 2017 8:47am
  - PhilBest
    
    And on top of that, what do Grey Power members think of Winston supporting a government that will abolish “three strikes” and leave thugs out in society home-invading vulnerable elderly?
    
    I have said it before and I will say it again. Winston has conceits that he is an economics genius (exactly as his mentor Muldoon also deluded himself in his time). Therefore Winston thinks his “legacy” has to be in the field of economic management, and betrayal of voters who supported him on cultural issues and self-interest are just collateral damage.
    
    I hope Winston lives another 3 years to experience yet another electoral consignment to oblivion (his fourth in a long career of betrayal of voters with short memories).
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:17am
- RF
  
  Where is the Red dwarf hiding ?
  
  Not that I miss him
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:40am
  - GazzaW
    
    I’m extremely surprised that the MSM is not asking questions about his whereabouts or current status. Or maybe they do know and have been warned off.
    
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    November 6, 2017 11:18am
PhilBest

The road toll continues to climb in the face of the success of the policing authorities successful focus on gathering revenue and average speed reductions. A skeptic might be starting to believe the real problems mostly lie in things other than speed – like sheer incompetence behind the wheel, which nothing is being done about. The most incompetent and inconsiderate people are also the most insufferably self-righteous – “because I drive slow, I am totally above all possibility of having to consider being any part of the problem”.
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November 6, 2017 8:22am
- waikatogirl
  
  Or like the car I followed along the Hamilton expressway. The car covered in company signage promoting “green” lifestyle products. The driver was on the phone in the fast lane passing heavy trucks, and then he physically turned to search the back seat while attempting to access what he needed for the call!
  He finally moved into the left lane between the 2 trucks so I was able to move away from him and his driving contortions.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:44am
- chuk
  
  Sorry PhilBest, I hit “report” by mistake.
  
  I’d be interested to know if anyone is aware of stats showing what proportion of road toll deaths involve drivers or passengers who were not wearing a seat belt.
  
  Ministry of Transport stats for high-risk drivers mentions various forms of high-risk behaviour (e.g. alcohol, repeat speed offenders, evading enforcement, etc) but I can’t find anything for those not wearing seat belts.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:47am
- holysheet
  
  I would like to know the ratio of deaths to the number of vehicles on the roads. We are told constantly of the massive increase in vehicles on our roads each year. It’s not rocket science to assume the more cars on the roads, the more accidents, the more deaths. Or is there something we are not being told.
  Comparing the road toll of today with that of past years is just stupid.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:14am
- MCos
  
  What annoys me is when I’m driving to the speed limit and someone half an inch behind me decides that’s not fast enough; as happened as I approached the Waterview Tunnel the other day.
  Buggered if I’m going to incur a speeding ticket just because 80kpm is too slow for that stretch of motorway.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:25am
hullkiwi

From the book of 20/20 hindsight & it is always easier to blame someone else. I give you Gordon Brown’s soon to be released political memoirs. Or more to the point, had we (the UK govt) known at the the time the US were lying to us about WMD we wouldn’t have gone to war. In the words of a WRC, B******t.
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November 6, 2017 8:26am
- PhilBest
  
  “The US” weren’t “lying on WMD”. That is a typical lefty / MSM big lie. I am heartened that “conservative” use of social media etc at least in the US, has progressed to the point where the MSM is less capable of getting away with this systematic deception than at any time before. Donald Trump deliberately making war on “fake news” was a case of someone riding the encouraging new trend. Wish we had someone here who could bulldoze over the National establishment like Trump has bulldozed over the RINO squishy cuckservative one.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:23am
- treadingthemill
  
  had we (the UK govt) known at the the time the US were lying to us about WMD we wouldn’t have gone to war.
  
  I’m not sure about his claim there. I think they would have, for other reasons, none of them good reasons. I think quite a few people at the time new the wmd claims were either tenuous or bullshit. And now that we know this for certain, and can see the disaster that the invasion was and it’s results, like ISIS, he may be trying to clear his name. But it’s a bit late now.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:52am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Refer below for reply, phone got interrupted.
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:27am
  - PhilBest
    
    But even the UN WMD Inspection Teams reports showed cause for concern, and some of their top people, Rolf Ekeus, Jim Trevann, and Demetrius Perricos and others, were pro action. The ones who were not, such as Hans Blix, were typical UN appeaser types ideologically. Iraq constantly obstructed inspection efforts and gave every sign of hiding something.
    
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    November 6, 2017 12:32pm
slightlyrighty

Welcome to NZ in 2017.

Where we need to bring in immigrants to build the houses we need to build to house the people who can’t buy houses because there are too many immigrants which means that people are homeless so we have to reduce the number of immigrants so the homes aren’t built for the people who can’t afford them so need to go into social housing which isn’t being replaced because the immigrants we need to build new social housing and repair existing ones aren’t coming into the country to build the houses we need to house the poor people in need and the refugees that are also coming who might build houses but more likely go to the front of the queue for the social housing we have that have already been built by the immigrants that aren’t coming here……

my brain is about to explode.
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November 6, 2017 8:28am
- hullkiwi
  
  ..or the land of altered realities and strangled logic.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:03am
- Digmen1
  
  But what about the one million kiwi’s who like it here so much that they left to go to Australia!
  
  NZ would be like a ghost town without immigrants.
  
  (we just need to make sure they are Christians and well educated)
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:30am
- Komata
  
  SR
  
  Your brain doesn’t need to explode. What you have described above is merely the political version – (New Zealand Coalition Government style, 2017 published) of the very old song ‘There’s a hole in my bucket…’; you may be familiar with the original.
  
  In both the song and the NZ political version, the end result is the same; says a lot really doesn’t it?
  
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  November 6, 2017 11:34am
kowtow

The Swedish Establishment is a lost cause.

‘A Swedish daycare’s trip to the local library in Borås took an unexpected turn recently and ended in a police report being filled over racial agitation (hets mot folkgrupp).
According to Expressen, the daycare children were listening to a CD of various Pippi Longstocking stories when another library user became offended by the description of Pippi’s father as a ‘Negro king’ (negerkung). ‘

https://www.thelocal.se/20171105/police-report-filed-after-swedish-daycare-listens-to-pippi-longstocking-stories
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November 6, 2017 8:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We should protest..
  Captain Longstocking is now being described as King of a South Seas island!
  
  Someone tell Winnie.
  https://redice.tv/news/sweden-s-libraries-destroying-pippi-longstocking-children-s-books-because-of-racist-phrases
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:43am
  - Komata
    
    Maggie
    
    Re ‘Captain Longstocking is now being described as King of a South Seas island!
    Someone tell Winnie.
    
    To that Ma’am, only one response is possible…
    
    ‘Oi’.
    
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    November 6, 2017 11:37am
Prince

The media is proclaiming Ardern’s Australia visit as a triumph.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98580352/turnbulls-warm-welcome-for-ardern-underscores-continuity-in-transtasman-relations
So…
Agreement to the illegal immigrants coming to NZ ? No.
Agreement to a united front to change TPP clauses ?
No.
Australia to roll back their ‘punitive’ treatment of NZ’ers ?
No.
Some triumph.
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November 6, 2017 8:31am
- VicParking
  
  Not all a fail. She got Turnbull to come over for a fishing trip. Problem with that is that the Greens call fishing torture and will no doubt join with ‘Greenpiece of shit’ to protest.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:55am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Winstone likes fishing. Maybe Taxinder set a trap for Turnbull. (um I can’t convince you, please come talk with my boss)
    
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    November 6, 2017 5:51pm
- flipper
  
  But Prince, can you not read the subliminal ????
  
  By definition, everything that the Peters/Ardern Regime does will be a triumph. I am sure that the Prince of Point Piper knows exactly what the Toothfairy is, knows exactly ho she is, and knows exactly how she is beholden to Peters. Ergo Canberra takes absolutely no notice whatsoever of the silly almond milk drinker.
  
  The sad thing is that about one third of voting New Zealand believes that her Conversations are more substantive than well, conversations.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:00am
  - Prince
    
    In the new speak of our leader, I acknowledge your view.
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:33am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I believe he spoke about John Key a lot…. Has anyone got good links to the Australian reaction ( their MSM).
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:33am
- Komata
  
  Prince
  
  Well, it COULD have been a Marina…
  
  (Just saying)
  
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  November 6, 2017 11:39am
oldpark

Watching Malcolm Turnbull the “elected” Australian Prime Minister,looking at the Peters “selected” NZ Prime Minister called Ardern,and her getting involved in Australian Politics over banned illegal refugees. Malcolm seemed to be so angry with her snooping ,i thought for once she was a candidate for the Australian Salute.Like the flies that daily get swatted in the lucky country.Nuff Said.
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November 6, 2017 8:32am
- Paulus
  
  Australia will not agree to us taking the Manus Island refugees unless the US agree to take the 1200, in all, refugees in the islands. That currently will not happen.
  I would expect that should the Green’s insist that we take the 150 plus they will tantrum otherwise.
  Should that happen Australia will bring in immediate legislation to cancel automatic rights of entry to New Zealanders, and that visas before take off, will be required.
  There, that stuff’s us.
  Careful Cindy, for you may not know what you do !
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:52am
  - VicParking
    
    The USA will take the good ones and leave us with the terroists, deadshits and muslim fanatics.
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:17am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The USA has already taken the ones that passed their rigorous screening.
      
      22 Manus “refugees” left for the US in October
      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-26/22-refugees-leave-manus-island-for-us-swap-deal/8988424
      
      Another 27 from Nauru Is had also been given the OK to get to the US.
      
      The others are being allowed to remain in PNG.
      
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      November 6, 2017 11:24am
billmurray

Taking Manus refugees from Australia was NOT part of Labours election platform.
Ardern is running riot over the people of NZ.
Ardern needs to go.
Get someone who talks straight.
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November 6, 2017 8:34am
- mandk
  
  Serious question: Are they refugees or economic migrants?
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:42am
  - kowtow
    
    Illegal immigrants.
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:05am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Queue jumpers. Arrived illegally.
      
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      November 6, 2017 9:11am
  - Digmen1
    
    Probably all potential muslim terrorists.
    
    Send them back home (without a passport?) or let the Papua New Guineans have some fun with them!
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:33am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Don’t want to settle in PNG (where they have been offered or given citizenship), didn’t stay in Muslim majority Malaysia or Indonesia on the way to Australia, so obviously all economic migrants.
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:50am
    - waikatogirl
      
      A charity spokesperson has said the Australian’s intercepted the boats the illegal migrants arrived on in international waters so the Manus Island “boys” were effectively kidnapped from the high seas and are being held against their will. ?
      
      The Aus govt say they are free to leave at any time but choose to demand their rights over those who follow correct immigration/refugee procedure.
      
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      November 6, 2017 12:19pm
- hullkiwi
  
  No….the MSM have their darling. Despite having a degree in communication (whatever’s that is), the tooth fairy is our saviour as she can strangle the language with her split infinitives & kill logic in a single breath. If I hear absolutely and perfectly again, I’ll find it difficult not to fist the radio. In the press conference with Turnbull, she provided a perfect advertisement as to why you would not want to pay an education at a NZ university.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:51am
  - Paulus
    
    But all University education will be free (sic) from 1st January.
    I assume that that includes all overseas students too !
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:54am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Yes, I know. But, if the tooth fairy is an example of a graduate, that’ll be enough to kill any market, perfectly & absolutely, I understand.
      
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      November 6, 2017 10:25am
- RF
  
  Christ… Labours arses have not even hit the lambskin seat covers in the chamber and already good folk are demanding their divorce.
  
  This must be a record as usually there is a honeymoon period for many months for an incoming new Govt.
  
  What a dysfunctional bunch of wankers.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:31am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    there is a honey moon period for a government which reflects the will of the majority of the people. They are a COL (C = Clusterfuck, not Coalition), and thus they don’t appeal to a majority block, unlike the 44% who supported National.
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:37am
GazzaW

Jacinda’s fairy dust certainly doesn’t extend to her weekly five minute interview with Hosking. She’s abrupt and the tenor of her voice says that she just does not want to be there. There was more than a hint of Helen present.

What a shift from the jovial informative chats with Bill and JK.
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November 6, 2017 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  In Jacinda’s case, thinking of motherhood, it is ‘should I stay or should I go?’. I think the unions will decide on this one, namely EtU.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:42am
- Swifty
  
  Well spotted.
  
  She’s under intense pressure – a lot of it self-imposed – and it’s still the honeymoon period.
  
  Just wait for another few months when she is confronted with some big problems especially when some of their plans start to backfire, her partners start to flex their muscles, poor performing or misbehaving minsters get exposed, and the promised utopia doesn’t materialise (and as surely as the sun rises, it won’t).
  
  Then we’ll see whether she, and the Lab caucus, is or isn’t up to it.
  
  My pick? She, and Labour, is in dangerous territory right from the get go. They are unproven. Most of the caucus have never been accountable for the delivery or achievement of anything in their lives. Some will buckle – it’s just a question of when.
  
  Let’s see how they go when exposed to the blast-furnace…..
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:56am
- marcw
  
  For someone with a communications degree you would expect somewhere along the line she would have learnt or been taught how to speak to people. Instead we get this verbal assault of being talked at continuously, with the style and delivery similar to what Miss World contestants or sixth form debating teams master.
  
  God I am not looking forward to 3 more years of this constant stream of hearing insult.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:35am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Marc, I’m with you. She is an assault on the hearing an thought processes.
    Sorry, but if, she is a prime example of what came out of Morrinsville College (circa 20 years ago) & read a for a degree in communications (whatever that is). In the press conference with Turnbull she demonstrated English was not one of her strong subjects at school. Further, her grasp of logic allows for only black or white (overdone use of the words absolutely and perfectly). She’ll be a great negotiator not!
    
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    November 6, 2017 1:54pm
- ex-golfer
  
  The “House” re-sits this week.
  Once all the preliminary stuff is out of the way it will be time for the first round of questions.
  Should be quite entertaining.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:46am
  - VicParking
    
    Agreed, 2pm Tuesday and Wednesday (she will be pleased she does not have to show up on Thursday) will be better than Tabatha’s Salon Takeover.
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:23am
  - thedavincimode
    
    My question is to the Minister of Children and asks:
    
    “When will the Minister remove all the babies that have died from poverty since she was elected and are now stacked all over the footpaths of the nation and especially outside my place?”
    
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    November 6, 2017 1:29pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Supplementary to the Minister of Children:
    
    “How many children died of poverty while she was swanning about in Oz?”
    
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    November 6, 2017 1:31pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Supplementary to the Minister of Children:
    
    “Why is pay equality in the public service a priority over babies living, starving and dying in poverty, or was that baby business just yet another complete load of bullshit?”
    
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    November 6, 2017 1:33pm
- SPLOOGE
  
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  Yeah but, Hoskings is a twat. Why would she want to talk to him.
  It took Key 7 years before he’d speak to scary Mary, gutless yellow bellied piece of shit he was.
  
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  November 6, 2017 11:16am
  - sooty
    
    You are brave now that hes gone.
    
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    November 6, 2017 12:32pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Trouble with that V8 splooge?
    
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    November 6, 2017 1:44pm
- Gabby
  
  Hoskers’ nose is looking far less brown guzzla. She must be thinking, where’s my colon tickle?
  
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  November 6, 2017 3:04pm
Left Right and Centre

Public sector ‘gender pay gap’ to be ‘fixed’ over next four years.

Julie Ann Genter says it’s all to do with ‘unconscious bias’.

I say we don’t need geneder quotas or gender determined pay rates.
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November 6, 2017 8:37am
sooty

Taxinda is back from her christmas shopping trip to Sydney.
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November 6, 2017 8:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Can’t like the geegees if she didn’t stay for the Melbourne Cup.
  
  I do hope we have some NZ Parliamentary representation over at Flemington.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:06am
  - Komata
    
    Winnie perhaps (Unintentional pun-type reference to horses BTW – in case you noticed)
    
    (Assuming he’s not already there of course – he seems to have vanished)
    
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    November 6, 2017 11:44am
    - thedavincimode
      
      winnie’s having a rest. That 2 weeks hustling he did to snuggle between the sheets with whinney is the most amount of work he’s done in his entire life. Lucky break for that Iranian arsehole who stirred up everyone except the minister of restaurants and helicopter rides.
      
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      November 6, 2017 1:38pm
- VicParking
  
  With not even the rapping paper.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:25am
- big bruv
  
  With new teeth?
  
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  November 6, 2017 4:27pm
Happychappy

So when is MSM going to hold Jacinda to the same values that they have held John Key and Bill English to when it comes to kiwis being deported, now one of Jacindas policies was to get a fair deal for NZ’ers families in Australia many who were baby’s when they left for a better life have been sent home because of their criminal ways. So how can Labour, Andrew Little, Kelvin Davis and the media make a song and dance about National not getting this Law scrapped and their very own media made stardust Jacinda is not even questioned over this major catastrophe against NZ’ers that was orchastrated against National by Labour and their Leaders.
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November 6, 2017 8:44am
- VicParking
  
  After her interview on Red radio this morning they were swamped with calls, txts and emails saying they were too hard on her and they should show the PM more respect. Snowflakes, exact opposite to what happened whenever John Key was interviewed.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:04am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I txted Espiner: ‘You let her keep talking after you interrupted her! You’re losing your touch boy and not a courtesy you would have allowed a speaker from the blue corner! Impartial and unbiased, my arse – Jim Royale’
    
    Didn’t hear it read out which surprised me not in the least
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:16am
  - flipper
    
    But Vic…..
    The “reaction” is just like that organised by Splooge, and Zetev (the poor bugger is still trying to become Mr Speaker) – extreme fake protest.
    
    Of course it was different when the “Pony tail Kid” was in office. After all, he was elected Prime Minister. Horsey was selected and crowned by Peters (aka Machiavelli circa 2000 +).
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:19am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    John Key never went on Radio New Zealand.
    7 years it took until he had the guts to front up to May Wilson.
    
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    November 6, 2017 11:18am
    - Brito
      
      Mary’s sister is on RNZ as well?
      
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      November 6, 2017 11:25am
    - Prince
      
      That is, of course, a lie, but that wont surprise any of us here.
      Key was interviewed many times by Wilson – a simple Google search shows as early as 2008, but probably before then also.
      Interestingly, here is Wilson herself, on interviewing St Helen when she was PM…
      “Clark was fantastic; available and open. That lasted a couple of years max and then it was very much like dealing with the previous administration.”
      
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      November 6, 2017 12:28pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Nah. Not when he was PM.
        He preferred to play prison rape gags with juvenile fuckwits on crappy commercial stations.
        
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        November 6, 2017 6:08pm
VicParking

Just caught an article on Red Radio where they are handing out newspapers to homeless people. There must be a shortage of blankets combined combined with a way to increase circulation. Win Win for everyone.
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November 6, 2017 8:59am
dime

So, let me get this straight.

NZ is a mess. 250,000 starving kids.

Dire housing shortage.

But we want to take 150 “refugees” who want to live in oz?

150 = 20 million cost?

how many state houses will they need?

how many of the kids are special needs?

how long until the herald or stuff starts printing pics of kids that are included in the 150?
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November 6, 2017 9:06am
- MT_Tinman
  
  No kids in the 150.
  
  The kids will come later in the 1,500 family members of the 150.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:14am
  - PhilBest
    
    The “refugees” invading Europe are overwhelmingly military-age males who should be back at home defending their women and children or assisting them to flee first.
    
    Is there no “woman and children first” principle in Islam?
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:27am
    - GazzaW
      
      Women and children make better human shields so best they stay behind.
      
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      November 6, 2017 10:08am
  - Paulus
    
    Only 1500 family members.
    Ahmed Zaoui brought in 18 family members.
    You left a nought out.
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:57am
    - wiseowl
      
      The USA killer usbek driver that won the visa lottery was followed by 23.
      
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      November 6, 2017 12:28pm
    - big bruv
      
      Well allowed a convicted terrorist to bring in 18 of his fellow terrorists?
      
      We are fucking mad in NZ.
      
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      November 6, 2017 4:26pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I see a few cellphones being used by those ‘poor unfortunates’ on Manus Island. Apparently they have nothing…
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:25am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  If they only cost $20million I will be fucking amazed. Many will never pay tax, and after their huge initial education and settlement costs will continue to cost us another $20k+ per year (plus higher imprisonment costs for some) until they are dead in 40-70years, plus bringing in all their similarly useless relatives who don’t want to integrate either. Just the houses to put them in will cost $200k per head at today’s building costs.
  
  I’d bet that you would get no change from $75million put in trust to cover all their expenses over the long term.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:58am
- Lance
  
  Cindy could personally pick out the 150 NZ families that will be displaced by these queue jumpers.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:03am
- Gabby
  
  dim’s gettin mathematical
  
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  November 6, 2017 3:06pm
VicParking

It seems that Trump knows someone who has a few shares in a company that does business with a company that one of its directors is married to Putins daughter. No illegal in any way but because its Trump a huge scandal.
I once worked for a company that did business with a Russian company that was owned by a Russian member of the Federal Assembly (Parliament). Should I hand myself in to the SIS.
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November 6, 2017 9:08am
Monique Watson

Re the aforementioned article with the 5yr old still breastfed: Never breastfeed after they have more hair on their head than you do. Or they bite.
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November 6, 2017 9:12am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Mine didn’t.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:49am
  - holysheet
    
    What, had more hair, or didn’t bite?
    
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    November 6, 2017 12:48pm
Ross12

So the scrap has started –select committees

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11940762
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November 6, 2017 9:12am
- MT_Tinman
  
  More the deterioration of democracy to assist the CoL has started.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:15am
Chuck Bird

FYI

Jihadi wife: ‘I had children to serve God as terrorists’

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11940810
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November 6, 2017 9:15am
Monique Watson

The Select Committees business is about Labour preempting the inadequacy of the internees. Cute move but won’t weigh out National’s collective voice.
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November 6, 2017 9:21am
Monique Watson

Oh yeah. And I don’t mean to be a downer but there was a Texas shooting with significant numbers down.
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November 6, 2017 9:24am
- waikatogirl
  
  16 dead including a 2 year old. Shooter shot and killed after he opened fire in a church.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:32am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    https://www.reddit.com/live/zw7fcgupk9h7/
    about half of congregation 27 dead, most of rest injured. Gunman was chased from scene and ended up shot dead (unclear if suicide or police shooting)
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:04am
  - Inandout
    
    No release of shooter’s details. Any reason why not?
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:09am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Lots here:
      https://heavy.com/news/2017/11/devin-kelley-p-sutherland-springs-church-shooter-patrick-kelly/
      
      Was dishonourably discharged from Air Force, which means he would not have been allowed to own a gun:
      
      The dishonorable discharge is based on a general court-martial conviction. This means the conviction is a felony, regardless of what the underlying offense may have been. The convicted felon is banned from possessing a firearm including Title II Firearms (a Silencer, SBR, SBS, AOW, or Machine Gun).
      
      A person who is convicted of a crime that is punishable by imprisonment for more than one year ( including a dishonorable discharge) is prohibited from possessing a firearm. Under 18 U.S.C. 922(g), a felon who is found guilty of gun possession may serve up to 10 years in prison.
      
      If you have been convicted of a felony or a dishonorable discharge, be careful of constructive possession. You could be guilty of being in possession of a firearm if your spouse or another family or household member has a firearm that you “could” access.
      
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      November 6, 2017 1:35pm
PhilBest

Re the Section 44 Aussie Constitution debacle, of course a guy with Mark Steyn’s sharp faculties cuts through all the BS when he gets interested in the issue:

https://www.steynonline.com/8232/dual-to-the-death

“…the Australian constitution is an act of the Imperial Parliament at Westminster, so it seems unlikely, per the above-mentioned Senator Parry, that the English, Scots, Irish and Welsh who passed it intended to categorize themselves as foreigners…

“…the same High Court that’s just blown up the Australian parliament ruled in 1906:

We are not disposed to give any countenance to the novel doctrine that there is an Australian nationality as distinguished from a British nationality.

The view of that 1906 High Court prevailed until the 1948 Commonwealth Conference, when it was decided that His Majesty’s dominions would each set up their own citizenship as sub-categories within the pan-imperial “British” nationality: Thus the inauguration of Canadian citizenship, United Kingdom citizenship and Australian citizenship. And hence the original name of Australia’s 1948 “Nationality and Citizenship Act”, the first part of which dealt with British “nationality” and the latter with Australian “citizenship”. For example:

7 . — (1.) A person who, under this Act, is an Australian citizen or, by an enactment for the time being in force in a country to which this section applies, is a citizen of that country shall, by virtue of that citizenship, be a British subject.

So, again, in 1948 a “foreign power” meant China, the United States, Ethiopia, Yugoslavia …but not the ancient sod of the Parry family…

“…What changed? Well, a couple of ill-considered High Court decisions (particularly the 1999 Hill case) transformed the plain meaning of the law into a shrunken reductio of its former self. The latest bizarre ruling by the Australian High Court now goes into excruciating case studies on each of the tainted semi-aliens…

“…Is this beginning to sound to you like bollocks on stilts? In breezily redefining Section 44 to mean a citizenship that was invented half-a-century after the law was written and whose anomalies and ambiguities persisted for another third-of-a-century after that, the modern High Court was engaging in a characteristic bit of post-colonial hyper-nationalism that has had the paradoxical effect of forcing not only the judges but the entire Australian political system to swear “allegiance to a foreign power”. It’s like instituting Nuremberg racial purity laws and then outsourcing their administration to random bureaucrats around the planet…

“…As for Barnaby Joyce, perhaps the easiest solution would be for him to move to London, where, as an Australian or a New Zealander or both, he’s eligible to stand for the British Parliament. Through the long years of Euro-tyranny, that seemed like a quaint imperial anachronism. But, in fact, it’s less insane than the Australian High Court’s micro-management of the subtleties of allegiance of “British Overseas Citizens”. In the UK, Commonwealth citizens are not in law “aliens”. Whereas in Australia everyone’s a potential alien mainly in the sense of that John Hurt chestburster scene in which you can be as Aussie as can be, chugging along all ticketty-boo and then some creepy Welsh midget great-uncle bursts through your rib cage and leaps out…”
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November 6, 2017 9:29am
- PhilBest
  
  So basically its just more cringing lefty post-colonial judicial activism.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:30am
  - peterwn
    
    There is some force in that argument but…….
    While the Australian Constitution is indeed an Act of the UK Westminster Parliament, As far as I can see, the Bill was drafted by representatives of the Australian states and possibly New Zealand (as NZ was part of the Federation negotiations until NZ decided to pull out) and Westminster enacted it at the Australian States’ request presumably with nil or insignificant amendment.
    The HCA’s judgment [2017]HCA45 (Googling that citation will find it) considered the drafting history of the Constitution and interpreted it at enactment date (1900) but did not seem to interpret it in the light of changing circumstances over the years. Arguably this is judicial inactivism.
    It seems to me that the Constitution was either ignored or not enforced with regard to S44 over the years.
    A few days ago I posted this on the old fashioned newsgroup aus.legal :
    “Stephen had a pommie father so was also a UK citizen by descent and has had to resign. I cannot believe it – it is 117 years since Federation and this sort of thing is only now coming to light. I cannot believe Stephen is so thick that he had no idea he was eligible for a UK passport (or a UK patriality stamp in his Australian passport) – many young people in Australia, NZ and other nations who took an interest in things and aspired to working holidays in UK would be fully aware of the situation. One would have thought it would have been a big issue when the first federal Parliament was formed since a significant number of candidates would surely have had dual foreign citizenships, perhaps no one saw it as an issue then.
    With regard to Stephen’s case – New Zealand’s then Prime Minister Rob Muldoon said some years ago that the exodus of New Zealanders going to Australia would raise the average IQ’s of the people of both nations. I think he was spot on seeing how this debacle has developed. “
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:28am
    - PhilBest
      
      I can’t believe there haven’t been dozens of accidental dual citizens in the Aussie houses of Parliament over the last few decades and nobody ever noticed or bothered.
      
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      November 6, 2017 3:25pm
- Gabby
  
  It was only meant to affect the chinks wops and dagoes dammit!
  
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  November 6, 2017 3:11pm
stigie

We here on Kiwiblog knew this would happen…..
“Government borrowing was likely to be “substantially higher than suggested”.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/98563283/slower-growth-and-early-spending-plans-could-push-government-borrowing-higher
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November 6, 2017 9:32am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Never… No fiscal hole, Joyce made it all up…. Yr 11 Eco students could do a better job of running the country.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:48am
  - Lance
    
    You don’t mean……….. Labour were lying !!!!!!! ??????
    
    Oh the humanity
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:05am
    - double d
      
      Think of the children …..
      
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      November 6, 2017 10:45pm
  - Maxx
    
    Well I guess there isn’t a fiscal hole if you can fill it with borrowing.
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:08am
    - waikatogirl
      
      or stealing more through the taxpayer who is always up for a giving the guvmint more whenever they want it!!
      
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      November 6, 2017 12:25pm
- Paulus
  
  The is why we are having an emergency Budget before Christmas – because a deficit of $11 billion is actually more like $30 billion from the promises made to the triumvirate.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:00am
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Ten Reasons We Got Rid of National
No. 2: The likes of Dr. Jonathan Coleman

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10413574

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/96135652/coleman-skips-election-health-forum

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11922070
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November 6, 2017 9:33am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Who is “we”? And are you a member of NZ1st? If not, you had Fuck All to do with “getting rid of National”. Only one traitorous, despicable, pillock did that.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:43am
- Lance
  
  So Morrissey…
  Why did Labour lie to us all about the (lack of a ) fiscal hole?
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:06am
  - GazzaW
    
    There’s no point in engaging Morrissey people. He’s a Standard regular and a longtime troll. Presumably Slater has given him the arse and he’s looking for a new home.
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:13am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Yes, but it gives me an opportunity to vent my rage. I got severely censured once, so I have to take my meds, sing kumbaya, and eat mung beans if I start thinking about a post on Winston”Pol Pott” Peters. However, I am still allowed to respond to posts, at least until my next psychiatric assessment. (Now where did I put my claymore triggers, bugger, musn’t get those mixed up with the automatic gate switches…)
      
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      November 6, 2017 10:46am
Monique Watson

Kiwi Australian Hollywood star Russell Crowe has slammed Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull for refusing New Zealand’s offer to rehome 150 Manus Island and Nauru refugees:
‘We look like a**holes’: Russell Crowe slams Aussie PM for refusing to consider NZ refugee offer.
WTF? He’s just figured that Aussies “can look like assholes”?
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November 6, 2017 9:40am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I think Russell Crowe moonlights as the leader of the Australian branch of the Jacinda fan club.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:52am
  - RF
    
    He is also a known fan of H1 so makes sense to be a fan of her ward.
    
    Sam Neil is also a follower.
    
    What’s wrong with these idiots.
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:47am
    - Kimbo
      
      Well, in the case of Sam Neill, we do know, given his opposition to further development in his part of paradise in Central Otago…he would likely be in favour of more refugees in principle, just as long as they lived somewhere else. Amazing what a big wallet and caring values can buy you! 😉
      
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      November 6, 2017 10:52am
      - thedavincimode
        
        That’s a bit unfair. I expect the real issue is his concern that any refugees wouldn’t feel safe arriving in the country and being immediately surrounded by that Central Otago wealth.
        
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        November 6, 2017 1:48pm
    - Manolo
      
      Those “divas ans stars”A-grade f-wits love to tell you how to live your life.
      
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      November 6, 2017 10:56am
- Paulus
  
  I assume that is why he cannot get Australian Citizenship – somebody there must know what we do not.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:01am
  - Inandout
    
    Maybe he has a Weinstein personality.
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:12am
- Viking2
  
  Only arsehole that appears is his.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:23am
dime

Dime follows the US stock market.

The confidence in the market there is amazing. They are booming.

Europe is booming.

US unemployment down to its lowest levels in 17 years.

The latest earnings reports have been stellar.

The industrial stocks are killing it!!!

A huge turn around.. and yet we have labours bitch, winston, telling us the world is going to hell, our economy is going to tank and its all nationals fault?!?! something doesnt add up!
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November 6, 2017 9:54am
- treadingthemill
  
  something doesnt add up!
  
  Boom are often followed by busts. I don’t know if Winston was right or not, but he was just repeating the concerns of other economists. Stock market booms in particular are not always a reliable indication of sustainable economic growth.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:14am
  - dime
    
    “Boom are often followed by busts.”
    
    the boom is only just getting started.
    
    the US economy is about to go into high gear. no bust in the first 3 years of our coalition of shit bags
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:35am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      It’s a pity the US infrastructure is collapsing because they can’t afford to fix it.
      
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      November 6, 2017 12:04pm
      - Brito
        
        Seems there are plans afoot SPLOOOOGE.
        Investing in infrastructure means jobs, jobs means spending, spending means the economy functions.
        
        Fuck off back to your bedsit.
        
        http://www.ustrust.com/UST/Pages/rebuilding-america.aspx?cm_mmc=GWIM-USTrust-_-Google-PS-_-us%20infrastructure%20spending-_-NB%20Rebuilding%20America%20Exact%20-%20Rebuilding%20General%20Exact&gclid=CjwKCAjw7frPBRBVEiwAuDf_Le-fmbxpDnEQuwNoxE7IcFY68euDbO6Q2CvUdv7Pj_LbzrJoG-1Y3RoCx9sQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
        
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        November 6, 2017 12:34pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Ahhh the easily upset fantasist brito.
        As I’ve said to you before child, you need to up your game. It’s weak.
        
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        November 6, 2017 6:10pm
      - cha
        
        Infrastructure week was so successful they decided to cancel their infrastructure council.
        
        http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-essential-washington-updates-trump-opens-infrastructure-week-1496759736-htmlstory.html
        
        https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-17/trump-is-said-to-abandon-plan-for-council-on-infrastructure
        
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        November 6, 2017 6:26pm
      - Brito
        
        Just reporting the facts SPLOOOOGE while you over indulge in fantasy play. Back to the mastabatorium with you.
        
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        November 6, 2017 7:20pm
- KevOB
  
  The US market is not booming: the FED keeps creating money for re-homing. Also it has turned into a casino. The computer players are ignoring value and betting on movements in algorithmic models. Computers are the main players with about 90% of the transactions self generated. Who gets the order is being measured now by who has fastest direct access to the computer in charge. That’s not a market.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:16am
  - dime
    
    check out the latest earnings. i dont think stocks are over valued.
    
    the latest employment numbers are excellent.
    
    in this part of the world we have a lethargic aussie and a steady china.
    
    good times are ahead.
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:19am
    - tom hunter
      
      I hope so. It’s the US economy finally catching up on the recovery that should have, and could have happened after 2009 when the last recession ended. So perhaps the conventional wisdom is wrong about a US recession every ten years (roughly).
      
      On the other hand the DJ P/E ratio is 31. As a I recall it’s only been like that twice before – late 1920’s and late 2000’s!
      
      I’d prefer a few years more of solid earnings growth and stock prices increasing only a little before I can feel happy about this. But I also recognise that years of pitifully low interest rates on savings and other “safe” investments have pushed people more towards stocks.
      
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      November 6, 2017 10:41am
      - PhilBest
        
        Google Joel Kotkin and Tory Gattis on the subject of “opportunity urbanism”.
        
        The USA is a whole lot of disparate State economies just as much as Europe is. What is driving the “US economy” in real growth, is the southern and heartland States with no greenie red tape, less labour-law red tape, highly affordable urban land and property, resource extraction, re-onshoring of industry, etc etc.
        
        The libbewwal coastal states are fake bubble and bust economies.
        
        Then there are the rust belt cities which however are experiencing slow real recoveries.
        
        No-one is really doing proper analytical work dis-aggregating these quite different economy types within the US whole.
        
        I have been warning for a long time, that nations whose entire property market and “resource management” culture “is” California, are going to have busts coming their way far worse than “the US economy” which has some zones of social and economic sanity to anchor the whole.
        
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        November 6, 2017 3:31pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Yup, your post reminded me of this article
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/10736960/High-frequency-trading-when-milliseconds-mean-millions.html
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:53am
Monique Watson

Some of the posters need to write in installments or get familiar with word ‘succinct”.

Agreed Dime. The markets are going crazy. It’s a lot to do with the North Korean situation. Lots of investment in arms and intelligence.
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November 6, 2017 10:00am
- Kimbo
  
  Some of the posters need to write in installments or get familiar with word ‘succinct”.
  
  Succinct? That’s in the kitchen, where you wash the dishes, isn’t it?
  
  Fuck off and mind your own business, Monique! 😉 As I posted elsewhere on the weekend, much to the chagrin of the witless Viking2, you have your KPIs to fulfil on Kiwiblog – including posting under the influence – I have mine… 😉
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:10am
  - Viking2
    
    I note that you are still a conceited pratt.
    You are worse than Redbaiter.
    At least he wasn’t a govt. stooge for all his life.
    
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    November 6, 2017 8:59pm
  - double d
    
    You are a smug self righteous SOB but you are quite funny too Kimbo
    Keep it up
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:51pm
- KevOB
  
  I believe you are seeing the tail end of a market before the crash becomes apparent. The smartest money will have gone.
  The FED has pumped in so much money to ease the 2008 crash that they do not know how to pull back. There is no precedent for the present situation. Ultra low or even negative interest rates cannot continue–how can savers be rewarded?
  Computers now play against each in the bulk of the “trades”.
  
  Someday I will publish my research showing the relationship between value, price and liquidity. Those factors cannot be separated. Reason has flown.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:28pm
Manolo

The lardy minion was in the pocket, so who is going to believe her?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/brazile-i-considered-replacing-clinton-with-biden-as-2016-democratic-nominee/2017/11/04/f0b75418-bf4c-11e7-97d9-bdab5a0ab381_story.html?utm_term=.baca00696fa9
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November 6, 2017 10:09am
- Manolo
  
  The secessionists are in custody:
  https://www.apnews.com/b32abed1b5a943c58a65e721aefa7ec5
  
  A Belgian government official says that the international community has to keep a close eye on Spain to make sure that ousted Catalan leader Carles Puigdemont gets fair legal treatment in Madrid.
  
  Puigdemont and four close allies turned themselves in to Belgian authorities Sunday and now await whether they will be extradited to fellow European Union nation Spain.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:16am
hullkiwi

My point exactly. I was living in the UK at the time. The UK Liebore govt, led by Tony (Blur) Blair stopped at nothing to further the case & follow the US into Iraq War II. There was Campbell’s dodgy dossier & bizarre claims the UK could be hit within 45 mins of Saddam firing his missiles. All claims & the fact it was an illegal war were confined by the Chillcott Enquiry. And despite the findings, no body has been prosecuted in the UK for the pursuit of an illegal war.
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November 6, 2017 10:20am
Kimbo

27 dead after gunman storms Texas church…The mass shooting comes just a month and five days after Stephen Paddock killed 58 people by opening fire on a concert in Las Vegas from his hotel room.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11940830

And there is a connection between the two. Useless nobody losers who want to leave some pathetic legacy by achieving notoriety are inspired by the wall-to-wall media coverage these ‘events” generate. Including the jihadist variety, although they are groomed in many cases, compared to the homegrown self-generated variety like Las Vegas, and possibly this one too. “Why did he do it?”. For the attention you are giving him now!
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November 6, 2017 10:21am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Pandora’s box once opened cannot be resealed again. Social media makes it impossible to stop this trend. Just be glad that the perpetrators seem to be mostly quite inept (there are easy ways to kill orders of magnitude more people)
  
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  November 6, 2017 4:10pm
Monique Watson

No offence intended Kimbo. Kidding around. Might go look for an original sheep joke. 😉
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November 6, 2017 10:21am
- Kimbo
  
  Likewise.
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:23am
- waikatogirl
  
  No sheep joke to hand but I do have a donkey joke:
  A man visiting a new bar overhears a couple of the locals when one says to the other “Another drink Donkey?”. The visitor is appalled at the unflattering name a friend is using to a friend so later quietly tells the man he was sorry to hear the slur used against him.
  
  The local looks him in the eye and says, “That’s okay, hehaw, hehalways calls me Donkey”.
  ?
  
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  November 6, 2017 12:55pm
Viking2

Labour attempting to usurp Parliament in select committee’s.

http://newsie.co.nz/news/65467-government-trying-to-limit-scrutiny-bridges.html

The Government is trying to limit scrutiny of its actions by attempting to cut the number of Opposition MPs on select committees because it is short on numbers itself, Shadow Leader of the House Simon Bridges says.

“The role of the Opposition is to hold the Government to account, to scrutinise its actions and to advocate for the views of the people they are elected to represent,” Mr Bridges says.

“One of the most important ways to do that is through the select committee process. But rather than fronting up to that scrutiny, Labour is now saying it wants to allow fewer elected representatives to carry out that vital function – that’s undemocratic.
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November 6, 2017 10:21am
- RF
  
  Cowards who don’t want to account for their stuff ups.
  
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  November 6, 2017 11:08am
G152

What happened to ‘antifa’?
Supposedly there was going to be riots and protests all over the US on the 4th November and continuing until Trump leaves the WH.
Didn’t know about it until I looked at YouTube videos.
And those ‘protests’ looked pretty light on the ground
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November 6, 2017 10:32am
Monique Watson

Re Antifa:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/875799/Antifa-protests-flop-Anti-Donald-Trump-protests-USA-outnumbered-supporters

“And it seems the event went of largely without incident, with Antifa civil war fears proving unfounded as police reported a distinct lack of criminal damage or violence.”
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November 6, 2017 10:57am
RF

I see Angry and the Pike River Mine next of kin are milking the re-entry for everything it’s worth.

It was a tragedy but I am not convinced that some of the miners were squeaky clean concerning safety practices…. this could have contributed to the explosion.

Unlike the poor buggers in Christchurch who were going about their lawful business and killed during the building collapses when the 2011 earthquake struck. Not their fault and their next of kin have not been looked after as much as the miners.

When you compare the two tragedies some folk have class whereas others are just plain greedy.
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November 6, 2017 12:37pm
- Brito
  
  There is something in this statement which doesn’t add up.
  
  “Were you bullied?”
  
  “In hind-site I guess I was.”
  
  I blame Whittal, and I blame this guy. If you’re in charge of safety you look the boss in the eye and say, “NO”. Not, I was bullied.
  
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  November 6, 2017 12:45pm
- Digmen1
  
  Its was very sad, but some miners have been known to turn alarms off.
  
  Alss, why this obsession with “bringing our men back”?
  
  My uncle died on a warship in WWII. he is at the bottom of the sea. Lots of our soldiers are buried all over the world with their mates. They make a good memorial and deterrent to future wars.
  
  If it were one of my relations, a nice memorial to all of the men would be good.
  
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  November 6, 2017 2:04pm
- Jack5
  
  The management of the mine wasn’t to blame?
  
  Really, where was the required working second working entrance? What about the rat-shit mining gear, what about the continued ignored signs of gas?
  What about the gutless former executive who wouldn’t come over from Australia for the inquiry? (At least Whittal fronted up).
  
  The mine project was bullshit from the beginning. If there had been no gas, and the coal had been able to be extracted safely, the mining company would have gone broke when the world coal price fell – as Solid Energy did.
  
  RF says:
  
  “I am not convinced that some of the miners were squeaky clean concerning safety practices”
  
  What do you mean, RF? Are you suggesting miners were stupid enough to smoke inside the mine? If not, what?
  
  To blame the miners for the explosion in this dangerous, highly gassy mine, is outrageous.
  
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  November 6, 2017 7:51pm
  - RF
    
    Jack5
    
    Read the bloody report…….
    
    This will answer your questions.
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:40pm
  - realityczech
    
    The management were to blame and were warned about the mine right from the start and throughout its life.
    
    It is a classic story of marketing, PR and bullshit, triumphing over reality.
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:50pm
- Piniwi
  
  True RF. It is dripping with irony too. Angry was part of the cause of this tragedy after mine inspections were denigrated by his party. Then his union members completed the downgrade.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:52pm
Fletch

The climate alarmists will be coming for your lawn mower next. I am not kidding. This morning on Breakfast –

Mowing your lawn is bad for the environment.
Academics say chemicals released from freshly-cut grass cause smog in big cities, and emissions from petrol lawnmowers are bad for climate change.

https://www.facebook.com/Breakfaston1/videos/10155748473552719/
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November 6, 2017 1:02pm
- Digmen1
  
  These left wing academic fun police never give up.
  
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  November 6, 2017 2:05pm
  - kowtow
    
    The fun police is a growth industry.
    
    ” Banning fizzy drink sales at the South Dunedin Street Festival on Saturday was “a bit of a risk” but there were no complaints, an organiser says.”
    
    I wonder if candy floss is banned too?
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/healthy-approach-works-well-street-festival-fun
    
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    November 6, 2017 5:18pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Surely the Dunedin Council will have to cancel the annual Jaffa race given their war against sugar. Not to do so would be hypocritical in the extreme.
      
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      November 6, 2017 8:23pm
Manolo

Given the failure of capitalism, when will this Labour government erect one?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/100-years-russian-revolution-lenin-statues-abound-132837298.html

Some of the Lenin statues taken down with care were moved from public squares and prominent points to quiet, secluded parks. There Lenin seems less like a fiery leader than a grumpy retiree, his arm outstretched as if trying to call back a bus that sped past him.
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November 6, 2017 1:16pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Sounds like Winston…
  
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  November 6, 2017 2:00pm
trout

‘David Bain and his wife Liz Davies have named their new baby girl after his murdered sister Arawa.’
Sad
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November 6, 2017 1:54pm
- big bruv
  
  Downright fucking creepy if you ask me.
  
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  November 6, 2017 2:23pm
  - Swifty
    
    Very.
    
    Of all the names they could have chosen….
    
    Was she the one he had the hots for? You know, him choosing the bra and knickers she was laid out in etc?
    
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    November 6, 2017 4:50pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

The media and politians really need to stop saying that the violence in South Auckland is between rugby leaguefans. It’s race based violence. League is just the excuse for two ethnic groups to go beat each other up.
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November 6, 2017 1:54pm
The only red for me is that of Manchester United

The media and politians really need to stop saying that the violence in South Auckland is between rugby league fans. It’s race based violence. League is just the excuse for two ethnic groups to go beat each other up.
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November 6, 2017 1:56pm
- Digmen1
  
  As long as they beat each other up, its fine with me. Just don’t come to our western civilisied hospitals for help.
  
  I do not like the thought of them roaming our streets at night.
  
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  November 6, 2017 2:11pm
Digmen1

These climate change groups really take the cake.

They are now saying that the rise is co2 levels is getting dangerous, and its now the highest its ever been.

And that in 100 years sea levels “may” rise by 20cm.

Yet we (mankind) has been pouring co2 into the air since the industrial revolution and more and more with population growth, more cars etc. Yet I do not see any rise in temperatures, or in sea levels, they say a few mm!

And if they show that Kiribati island on tv again I will shoot the tv.

Its still there!, and its probably being eroded by the sea. Erosion happens!
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November 6, 2017 2:09pm
- Fletch
  
  According to data from a few years back, Kiribati and the other islands are actually gaining size.
  
  Climate scientists have expressed surprise at findings that many low-lying Pacific islands are growing, not sinking.
  
  Islands in Tuvalu, Kiribati and the Federated States of Micronesia are among those which have grown, largely due to coral debris, land reclamation and sediment.
  
  The findings, published in the magazine New Scientist, were gathered by comparing changes to 27 Pacific islands over the last 20 to 60 years using historical aerial photos and satellite images.
  
  Auckland University’s Associate Professor Paul Kench, a member of the team of scientists, says the results challenge the view that Pacific islands are sinking due to rising sea levels associated with climate change.
  
  “Eighty per cent of the islands we’ve looked at have either remained about the same or, in fact, gotten larger,” he said.
  
  “Some of those islands have gotten dramatically larger, by 20 or 30 per cent.
  
  “We’ve now got evidence the physical foundations of these islands will still be there in 100 years.”
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-06-03/pacific-islands-growing-not-sinking/851738
  
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  November 6, 2017 2:49pm
VicParking

The UN has come out and said that the Paris Climate Accord is a total waste of space. “In other words, Paris was never really about climate. It was a wealth-redistribution scheme in which rich nations were expected to shower poor nations with free money.” This vindicates Donald Trumps stand.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/01/delingpole-trump-vindicated-now-even-the-un-confirms-that-the-paris-climate-accord-was-a-complete-waste-of-space/
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November 6, 2017 2:25pm
Inandout

David Bain has named his new daughter after his sister. A few more kids to go obviously until he runs out of family names.
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November 6, 2017 3:03pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Well yes, but at least they didn’t opt for Winchester.
  
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  November 6, 2017 4:50pm
softail 1450

i just heard again that the australian press are repeatedly saying that around 30% of the men in detention on manus have moderate to severe psychological problems,no doubt they will be the ones we get here if h1 and h2 and of course mrs edd have anything to do with making the choice.
it will be marvelous for raising jacindas profile at the UN…
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November 6, 2017 4:02pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  around 30% of the men in detention on manus have moderate to severe psychological problems = are Muslim, which is essentially untreatable without generally unpleasant de-programming:
  
  five stages of deprogramming:
  1/ Discredit the figure of authority: the cult leader
  2/ Present contradictions (ideology versus reality): “How can he preach love when he exploits people?” is an example.
  3/ The breaking point: When a subject begins to listen to the deprogrammer; when reality begins to take precedence over ideology.
  4/ Self-expression: When the subject begins to open up and voice gripes against the cult.
  5/ Identification and transference: when the subject begins to identify with the deprogrammers, starts to think as an opponent of the cult rather than as a member.
  
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  November 6, 2017 4:32pm
- Inandout
  
  Labour voters, sweet.
  
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  November 6, 2017 4:33pm
Surely Knott

Jacinda is today announcing an extension to paid parental leave. How is it that she can confirm these costs and expenditures. But she can’t confirm the total costs of the NZ1/Labour policy promises untill Christmas. How can she sign off on paid parental leave without knowing what the total sum of her governments policy promises are? Total cost of her governments policies to be buried in some obscure unread holiday newspaper.
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November 6, 2017 4:11pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Will that save babies’ lives – stop them dying of poverty and cluttering up my driveway?
  
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  November 6, 2017 4:51pm
- ex-golfer
  
  Totally at odds of equal opportunities and pay.
  Do men also get 26 weeks paid parental leave?
  
  Unintended (but obvious) consequence will be a reduction in the amount of younger women being employed in senior management roles. Not many businesses can afford the upheaval of senior management heading off on 26 week periods of leave.
  
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  November 6, 2017 5:01pm
  - cha
    
    Do men also get 26 weeks paid parental leave?
    
    If they’re the primary care giver, yes.
    
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    November 6, 2017 5:05pm
    - ex-golfer
      
      Thanks Cha
      So a couple can determine who is best placed to stay at home for the 26-week period?
      I also understand it is paid at a flat rate – someone from a lobby group said $530-odd per week on the Radio this afternoon – rather than at the full salary level of the person. Can anyone confirm that?
      
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      November 6, 2017 7:15pm
  - Digmen1
    
    Yes and they wonder why there may be employment unequality – women have babies and families to look after, its just biological.
    
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    November 6, 2017 5:49pm
Nookin

I see that the Queen is mentioned in the recently hacked and released tax haven papers.
I wonder if Penny’s fair weather friend at Transparency International will be demanding an investigation?
I wonder if her Majesty will off the head of the journalist who broke the story?
I wonder where Penny is?
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November 6, 2017 4:17pm
- thedavincimode
  
  I believe HM was getting all her advice from John Key Nookin – Penny is about to break the story.
  
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  November 6, 2017 4:53pm
- stigie
  
  Penny only reads what Penny wants to read !~
  
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  November 6, 2017 4:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Looks like Justin Trudeau needs a look-over from our Public Watchdog.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41877065
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November 6, 2017 5:10pm
Fletch

This is liberal thing right here (and no, it’s not a joke). On Seven Sharp tonight.

Should the government be doing more to protect drug users? The NZ Drug Foundation wants drug testing sites set up in our cities so people can determine exactly what’s in their narcotics.

https://www.facebook.com/sevensharp/posts/10156016953957268

And yes, they mean recreational drugs
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November 6, 2017 5:41pm
- nasska
  
  …..”The NZ Drug Foundation wants drug testing sites set up in our cities so people can determine exactly what’s in their narcotics.”…..
  
  So, you would prefer that some kid who bought an ecstacy tab dies because it was cut with Dextromethorphan, Amphetamine/Methamphetamine, Paramethoxymethamphetamine (PMMA) or Paramethoxyamphetamine
  (PMA) ?
  
  http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/27/the-grim-cutting-agents-that-drugs-are-cut-with-6232901/
  
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  November 6, 2017 7:12pm
  - Fletch
    
    Maybe it would be best to stop them buying drugs at all.
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:35pm
GazzaW

Lo and behold – the Herald has got stuck into Jacinda over her non-performance over Manus with Turnbull. The consensus amongst the journos is that we should take the entire refugee complement.
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November 6, 2017 5:43pm
- Fletch
  
  WTF is wrong with liberals and their keenness to take refugees? Every place in the world that has taken them has regretted it. Germany, France, Switzerland, etc. Tell me one place where it has worked out.
  
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  November 6, 2017 5:50pm
  - realityczech
    
    They are not liberals Fletch. They are intolerant authoritarian elitists.
    
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    November 6, 2017 6:30pm
  - Gabby
    
    But the food, Flesh, it’s exquisitely vibrant.
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:25pm
- KevOB
  
  They would have more news as the Police chase the new arrivals around.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:38pm
Digmen1

Why don’t we have a right wing media outlet here in NZ?
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November 6, 2017 5:51pm
- Fletch
  
  True. We need someone like Stephen Tyndall to set it up and get it rolling.
  
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  November 6, 2017 5:55pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Not likely – Tindall’s a lefty.
    
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    November 6, 2017 8:18pm
- MrTips
  
  We do. The NBR
  
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  November 6, 2017 6:40pm
SPLOOGE

Why do you need a right wing outlet?
The whinging is clearly heard at every opportunity.
Hasn’t is sunk in yet that you lost the election with your 44%?.
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November 6, 2017 6:13pm
- Brito
  
  Spelling not your thing SPLOOOOOOOGE?
  
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  November 6, 2017 7:22pm
Surely Knott

Can anyone explain to me why only the new Partnership Schools (Vanguard et al) are considered partnership schools. Steiner Schools are funded by MOE. Why isn’t it part of the Partnership school discussion. What about the religious schools.?
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November 6, 2017 6:27pm
- GazzaW
  
  Because by far the largest proportion of state integrated schools are Catholic and 11% of Kiwis are practising Catholics. Those numbers are growing courtesy of immigration from the Philippines, Vietnam and Cambodia. It would be a foolhardy party that cracked down on the Catholic church in NZ. There will also be influential Catholic MPs in the ruling regime. I have no idea who they are.
  
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  November 6, 2017 8:11pm
  - Surely Knott
    
    So Catholic schools are partnership schools also then? And Steiner Schools also? It just seems like Steiner is the same but of a different ideology. Ok to be a partnership school if you promoted Steiner arty green party vibes. But partnership schools with a military tone is not ok?.
    
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    November 6, 2017 8:39pm
  - Jack5
    
    Gazza, less than 0.5 per cent of the population of Cambodia is Christian.
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:50pm
    - realityczech
      
      That is 0.5% too much.
      
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      November 6, 2017 9:58pm
      - Jack5
        
        You will be pleased to know, realityczech, that 1.9 per cent of Cambodians are Muslims.
        
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        November 6, 2017 10:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Wonder if Dame Susan Devoy has investigated the racial beliefs of Steiner.
  
  How many parents sending their little darlings to Steiner schools know that Black children represent Humanity’s evolution at a childhood stage; yellow children represent Humanity’s adolescent stage and lily white children have attained Humanity’s mature stage.
  https://spiritualityisnoexcuse.wordpress.com/2015/08/24/rudolf-steiner-racism-nazis-why-anthroposophy-doesnt-grow-up/
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:15pm
  - Jack5
    
    Maggy, my interest sparked by your 9.15 post, I read on Wikipedia that the Nazis closed Steiner (Waldorf) schools in Germany. The Nazis attacked his philosophy, and even called him a Jew (he wasn’t).
    
    Are you sure that these schools are racist (though it seems his philosophy, anthroposophy – a load of codswallop – was)? This is from another Wikipedia entry (on anthroposophy):
    
    The schools have been founded in a variety of communities: for example in the favelas of São Paulo to wealthy suburbs of major cities; in India, Egypt, Australia, the Netherlands, Mexico and South Africa. Though most of the early Waldorf schools were teacher-founded, the schools today are usually initiated and later supported by a parent community.
    
    I didn’t go to a private school, but from what I have heard of Steiner and Montessori schools, I would have enjoyed either of them more than the State schools where there were too many cane-swinging adults I wish I could go back in time and thump.
    
    Steiner seems also to have been involved with Freemasonry. Good luck if Dame Devoid should take on investigating Masons, too (I wonder whether they have race rules)?
    
    However, I presume you are “speaking” tongue in cheek when you suggest Devoid should look at racial aspects of Steiner education. To be balanced, she would have also to investigate Muslim schools and even Te Reo nests.
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:20pm
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      What about Jew schools Jacky or are they an exception again ?
      
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      November 6, 2017 10:25pm
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        Kea/reality czech, you part-Islamic stirrer: you would have to ask a Jew.
        
        Given the high number of Nobel Prize winners who are Jewish, my guess is that most Jewish education would be bloody good.
        
        Where are all the Arabic, Iranian, Pakistani, Bangledeshi, Aghan Nobel prize winners? Are they boycotting the awards because electronically-lit camel hopples were ruled not technical enough for prizes?
        
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        November 6, 2017 10:30pm
      - realityczech
        
        Part “Islamic” atheist Jack Sprat ? You clearly are not one of those brainy Jews you mentioned.
        
        Thanks for confirming the Jew is an exception to the principle [sic] again.
        
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        November 6, 2017 10:36pm
      - Jack5
        
        Don’t sic your bloody hounds on me …
        
        Realityczech, old bird, who are you “sic-ing” with your:
        
        principle [sic]
        
        I thought my post was without “principle”. That’s a throw-away line for you to take up.
        
        Part “Islamic” atheist? I thought it was death for a Muslim descendant to become an atheist.
        
        Gotta go, so I’ll let you have a t.k.o. decision tonight.
        
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        November 6, 2017 10:40pm
      - realityczech
        
        Leave the Latin to me Jack Sprat.
        
        Time to go to bed after praying for the genocide of the Muslims and the enslavement of the gentiles.
        
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        November 6, 2017 10:44pm
      - Jack5
        
        As I head out the door …
        
        I suppose, RealityKeaChick, that now you are an atheist you are troubled by a recurring dream: Shit! What if you really do get 70 perpetually renewable virgins … can I still go back?
        
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        November 6, 2017 10:47pm
      - realityczech
        
        Whoops my bad. Its lunch time and your patrol has stopped for snacks after bagging a couple of Arab kids and an old lady picking olives on the family farm.
        
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        November 6, 2017 10:52pm
stigie

How did your remote sail yacht go in the paddlers pond yesterday Splurge..?
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November 6, 2017 6:28pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  So weak.
  
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  November 6, 2017 11:11pm
tranquil

Hi all –

I have just written to the Aussie Embassy asking them to pass on my HUGE thanks to Aussie PM Turnbull for his refusal of Taxcinda’s request for 150 Manus Island fakeugees to come to New Zealand.

I said to them – “at LAST there is a world leader prepared to stand up for the rights of New Zealanders! What a pity that it is not our OWN leader!”

We do NOT want these troublemakers and bludgers in our country. Thank goodness that at least *Turnbull* has some brains.

I would encourage all others who think similarly to send a thank-you email to them too. “Let’s do this!” 😉
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November 6, 2017 6:36pm
- GoVege
  
  How f*****g MEAN you are Tranquil!
  How do you know they are “troublemakers and bludgers”?
  These young fellas could be paying your pension for the next 30/40 years for all you know!
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:21pm
  - realityczech
    
    They know how to keep their women in their place. I admire that.
    
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    November 6, 2017 10:30pm
cha

William Noble, Alexander Davison and John Harper of the 72nd Highland Regiment served in Crimea 1853-1856.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DN3uf3zW4AAtPMu.jpg

http://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/205022061
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November 6, 2017 6:47pm
LisaGinNZ

I hope NZ doesn’t go down the road of socialism much further than it already has…. just my hope.

Food for thought:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/zoo-animals-on-the-menu-as-venezuelans-starve
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November 6, 2017 8:31pm
- GoVege
  
  I wouldn’t worry too much LisaGin.
  Most lefties are veges. 🙂
  
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  November 6, 2017 10:17pm
nasska

What about all these religious cranks asking God to be with the dozens of people shot dead in a service in Texas?

For fuck’s sake! He couldn’t even look after them in a bloody church!!
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November 6, 2017 8:57pm
- realityczech
  
  Killed by a bible loving Sunday school teacher they were nasska.
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:01pm
stigie

We need some fucking answers Nasska, but all you will get is twaddle from the holier than thou God freaks !~
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November 6, 2017 9:02pm
- realityczech
  
  We shouldn’t jump to conclusions. God killed tons of people in the bible. Whole cities complete with women and kids.
  
  The shooter may have been doing Gods work killing off:
  
  1. Whores
  2. People who work on Sundays.
  3. Cheeky kids.
  4. Non virgins brides.
  5. Rape victims.
  6. Adulterers.
  7. Homos
  8. Witches.
  
  And much much more….
  
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  November 6, 2017 9:11pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”Total number killed by God in the Bible:
    
    – Using biblical numbers only: 2,821,364
    – With estimates: 25 million”…..
    
    http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.co.nz/2010/04/drunk-with-blood-gods-killings-in-bible.html
    
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    November 6, 2017 9:18pm
    - realityczech
      
      What about when their shitty God threw a tantrum and flooded the world killing everyone and all the other creatures on the entire earth ?
      
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