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William of Ockham

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/02/rick-perry-fossil-fuels-sexual-assault

US energy secretary faces criticism after describing a girl who told him about the importance of electricity in an African village. Rick Perry has said he thinks using fossil fuels can help prevent sexual assault, sparking criticism from the Sierra Club, which accused Perry of exploiting the struggle of those most affected by climate change.

“… from the standpoint of sexual assault. When the lights are on, when you have light that shines the righteousness, if you will, on those types of acts.”

The Trump administration has been pushing to increase domestic production of fossil fuels for export, with Perry specifically challenging what he calls an inaccurate narrative pushed by environmentalists that fossil fuels are harmful because they contribute to climate change.

On the 2012 presidential campaign trail, Perry called for the Department of Energy to be abolished.

NASA, Department of Education, Department of Energy, Environmental Protection Agency … now all lead by unqualified Trump lackeys, only surpassed in ignorance and stupidity by the “fucking moron” himself.
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November 4, 2017 8:00am
- stigie
  
  Gone by 9.00am.
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:29am
  - RalphT
    
    Done my bit; just a few more needed.
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:49am
  - stigie
    
    Right on que, fuck im brilliant, just like Splooge with his yacht, Audi V8 and 8 inch dick. (yea right) !~
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:03am
    - SPLOOGE
      
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      Gobble gobble gobble.
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:07am
      - starboard
        
        Another glory holer I see.
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:14am
      - stigie
        
        Probably another trans that knows about Hagley Park no doubt !~
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:18am
- Disaster Area
  
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  To those who downticked:
  Does the fact that the Trump administration has released a report that says there is ‘no convincing alternative explanation’ for climate change other than human activity not start doubts in your minds?
  
  If even the Trump administration are admitting it, then surely you must think there’s a possibility you’re wrong…
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/11/03/trump-administration-releases-report-finds-no-convincing-alternative-explanation-for-climate-change/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_climate-215pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.f021f995dda1
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:02am
  - tom hunter
    
    Does it ever occur to you that there are a multiplicity of reasons for downticking Horne/Ockham?
    
    I rarely downtick or uptick people, but I certainly downtick Ockham, Pavlietch, and Penny Bright regularly, for the following reasons, most of which revolve around them being cranks:
    
    – regularly getting in first to GD (Horne’s fav), which I found the other day to take a fair bit of effort. You have to hover over the screen re-loading until GD appears. What sort of normal human does that?
    
    – how they “comment” is the equivalent of a rude, bellowing, bastard who just won’t shut up and talks over everyone else all the time. No interaction. No debate, just bellowing.
    
    – long screeds most of the time. Save the scroll-wheels.
    
    – endless repetitive use of the same links and self-referrals.
    
    – boring, with the same stuff and theme repeated every fucking comment.
    
    In Horne’s case no doubt there is the AGW aspect and in that case my downtick does not reflect a “rejection” of the basic science, which I well understand, but the apocalyptic predictions derived there from, combined with the screaming-skull demands that we do what nutters like Horne tell us to do – an end to fossil fuels and go totally renewable energy, right the fuck now, basically.
    
    I’m just not interested in conversing with cranks like that. Sure, there are other cranks here, but they don’t fulfill those other conditions. I just ignore them basically.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:57am
  - Fletch
    
    Yeh, I very much doubt that Trump’s personal ideologies conform with this, seeing as how he pulled out of the Paris Accords. The report was probably produced by Obama holdovers.
    
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    November 4, 2017 12:11pm
    - Nermal
      
      What credence do we place in a “report” written by a bunch of bureaucrats whose livelihood depends on perpetuating the myth.
      
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      November 4, 2017 12:28pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        I presume then that you also don’t believe in vaccination because the Doctors are in on the scam and that the pharmaceutical companies are suppressing the cure for cancer because of their profits?
        
        Here’s the challenge – what information would cause you to accept that humans are the major cause of climate change?
        
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        November 4, 2017 5:55pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Nice false equivalence you’ve got going DA
        How about what the IPCC say in Assessment Review 5 done by 600 scientists?
        Even the IPCC doesn’t think Anthropogenic influences are a MAJOR cause of climate change.
        Here’s a quote from WG1 in AR5
        ‘The IPCC AR5 notes the lack of warming since 1998:
        [T]he rate of warming over the past 15 years (1998–2012) [is] 0.05 [–0.05 to +0.15] °C per decade)which is smaller than the rate calculated since 1951 (1951–2012) [of] 0.12 [0.08 to 0.14] °C per decade.’
        
        Yes, the last two years have been hot – Octobers numbers will be high, but we have had an El Niño(just like in 1998)
        The sea is cooling and the Troposphere will follow.
        Here’s comment from Prof Judith Curry summarising AR5 Working Group
        (Note, don’t quote the SPMs to me- they aren’t prepared by scientists)
        ‘Lack of warming since 1998 and growing discrepancies with climate model projections
        Evidence of decreased climate sensitivity to increases in CO2
        Evidence that sea level rise in 1920-1950 is of the same magnitude as in 1993-2012
        Increasing Antarctic sea ice extent
        Low confidence in attributing extreme weather events to anthropogenic global warming .’
        
        Sure, we have just had several major hurricanes but then last serious ones to make landfall was in 2006
        Source NOAA
        Climate Sensitivity is the nub of the issue.
        Again Judith Curry looking at AR5
        ‘The IPCC AR5 conclusion on climate sensitivity is stated as:
        
        Equilibrium climate sensitivity is likely in the range 1.5°C to 4.5°C (high confidence), extremely unlikely less than 1°C (high confidence), and very unlikely greater than 6°C (medium confidence)
        
        It is significant that the AR5 does not cite a best estimate, whereas the AR4 cites a best estimate of 3oC. The stated reason for not including a best estimate in the AR5 is the substantial discrepancy between observation-based estimates of ECS (lower), versus estimates from climate models (higher). Figure 1 of Box 12.2 in the AR5 WG1 report shows that 11 out of 19 observational-based studies of ECS show values below 1.5oC in their ‘ranges of ECS probability distribution.’
        
        Conclusion- you know fuckall.
        
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        November 4, 2017 6:42pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        HadCru4 sea temps
        Note the big drop as El Niño fades away
        https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/h4-sep20171.png
        Global effects of El Niño event seem to have passed, and we’ve cooled to a value just before the event, according to data from the UK Hadley Climate Centre
        
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        November 4, 2017 6:45pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        I’m not sure that it is a false equivalence: Nermal is implying that the people who get funding to research climate change are changing their reports to get more funding. Exactly the same argument is used against doctors who are ‘shills’ for big pharma.
        
        https://www.skepticalscience.com/Judith_Curry_arg.htm
        
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        November 4, 2017 6:54pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You said ‘Here’s the challenge – what information would cause you to accept that humans are the major cause of climate change’
        Lol , you quote SKS. A pathetic link really. Here, read about Professor Judith Curry
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Curry
        I quote IPCC AR 5 and NOAA which clearly states Humans are NOT the MAJOR source of climate change as you claim.
        You give no scientific sources. Not one.
        You’re an ignorant fuck wit pom
        
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        November 4, 2017 7:23pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Btw, another ‘tell’ for me in the climate debate is that just like the use of the expression ‘climate change denier’, whenever someone quotes ‘97% of all scientists etc’ I know immediately they are an ignorant gullible moron.
        Shoe fit?
        So funny.
        
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        November 4, 2017 7:33pm
  - backster
    
    Fake News from the usual publishers, besides if even the Great John Key could be fooled by fools I guess maybe the Don could have an unreasonable doubt created in his mind.
    
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    November 4, 2017 12:43pm
    - Disaster Area
      
      Fake news from the usual publishers?
      
      You do know that the report is published by the US government?
      
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      November 4, 2017 5:57pm
- flipper
  
  NASA, Department of Education, Department of Energy, Environmental Protection Agency … now all lead by unqualified Trump lackeys, only surpassed in ignorance and stupidity by the “fucking moron” himself.
  
  There is only one moron here and that is Denis (the lignocaine kid) Horne, the mad dentist who has changed his non de plume. Did your qualifications as a dentist, and then as a would be pilot, also cover the AGW bullshit Denis? Are you really related to Kenneth (around the ) Horn? You can deliver all the garbage you wish, and quote all the troughing organisations you can find, but the fact that they have their snouts in the pig swill trough does not matter a jot. Like Griffie, you simply cannot get it into your lignocaine riddled brain that the climate is always changing. If you could you would be able to explain why some 250 years ago semi tropical fruits grew in London, while at other times the Thames iced over, and why all the bullshit predictions by the Club of Rome some 50 years ago have proved to be just that….. bullshit!
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:07am
  - SGA
    
    Did your qualifications as a dentist, and then as a would be pilot, also cover the AGW bullshit Denis?
    
    That did make me smile, flipper. Since when has lack of specific training and expertise been an impediment to strongly held opinions on Kiwiblog (concerning most things in general and AGW in particular).
    
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    November 4, 2017 11:00am
- realityczech
  
  So you don’t think Africans should be allowed electricity and efficient energy and should be left to rot in poverty, so you can feel smug as you sit in a home powered by electricity enjoying the benefits of fossil fuels ?
  
  You are a real piece of shit Willy
  
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  November 4, 2017 2:58pm
- Morrissey
  
  Governor Rick Perry is even stupider than this stupid fascist pizza billionaire…
  
  https://deadspin.com/did-crybaby-loser-papa-john-also-lose-our-chain-pizza-r-1820051012
  
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  November 4, 2017 6:44pm
Digmen1

Where is Winston?
Why are we paying him?
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November 4, 2017 8:02am
- softail 1450
  
  DM1,,,,yes where the frick is the little prick ?
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:23am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Hiding from me…. (meant in jest, in case the fuckwits at the standard go all nuclear and start hunting me down).
    
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    November 4, 2017 11:31am
- Victor Omega
  
  I’m a parent, so I know when a kid breaks something they are sometimes so ashamed they hide and try to pretend it didn’t happen.
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:27am
- Ceejay
  
  Sorry to spoil the conspiratorial fun but I can’t help wondering whether it was part of the coalition deal with Jacinda that he would go to ground for a bit and let her take all the limelight once the new government was in place.
  
  Probably he was more than happy to oblige knowing that a fair pile of angst was about to (justifiably) rain down on his head.
  
  Not sure what he hopes to gain though. I’m sure we’re all more than happy to keep our powder dry until he resurfaces.
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:34am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Quite possible, she is a narcissist
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:40am
    - waikatogirl
      
      So is Peters. An explosive combination.
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:07am
      - marcw
        
        Count all the NZF members in that social psychotic classification. But not sure about their 9th list member, Jenny Marcroft. She seems to have been pretty anonymous since the election result finals were released. What has she done to deserve this caucus room full of losers?
        
        I hope she realises she has now reached peak success level in politics – it’s all downhill and out of sight from now on. Possibly she has other skills to call on post dumping.
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:06am
      - KevOB
        
        Add Ron Marks.
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:55am
      - Paulus
        
        Heather is there to sort Peters out – no problem – she will only give him her look – that is enough to frighten anybody.
        
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        November 4, 2017 12:58pm
  - Inandout
    
    He may emerge as the knight in white armour and squash Jacinda’s dreams, moderating her demands. Or he is simply in hibernation.
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:45am
  - flipper
    
    He is trying to think up a response to the MFAT briefing paper and the EU criticism telling him that hi9os advocacy of trade4 with Putin would make NZ an outcast of international trade.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:16am
    - niggly
      
      Flipper you are right! The Herald reports NZF has opened a can of clusterfark proportions with the international community, which Labour will now have to manage very carefully.
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11940045
      Prior to reading the Herald article I was going to say, jeepers with all the recent angst in the MSM and from the Left about free trade “having more Asians” in NZ over the last few years, does Labour/NZF now want more Russian Oligarchs here instead?!!! And what’s up with including the likes of Kazakhstan in the Russian FTA deal? The Left were complaining bitterly about Kazakhstan due to their erosion of human rights (even Gordon Campbell at Werewolf was denouncing this a few years ago)!
      
      Looks like the COL will be under immense pressure from all sides over this Russia FTA (nevermind the US and EU, I can’t imagine the Greens being supportive)! What will Jacinda do!
      
      Oh the Herald article also mentions Winston has been meeting the Russian ambassador several times over the last year ….. oh dear accusations of Russian interference in the NZ election coming up I wonder (and does that explain Winston’s unexpected lurch to the Left to form a government)? 😉
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:59am
      - Harkman
        
        We need a select inquiry into Russian meddling of our election. I for one are demanding a recount immediately or a brand new election.
        
        (Perhaps fake Facebook ads fooled Whaleoil?)
        
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        November 4, 2017 4:53pm
  - Gabby
    
    I didn’t get where I am today by going to ground and letting a girly have the limelight.
    
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    November 4, 2017 4:22pm
- artemisia
  
  He’s resting. Not like the parrot.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:08am
  - sooty
    
    He needed a lie down after the election.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:15am
  - softail 1450
    
    ARTESMIA he will get nailed to his perch when he finally turns up……
    
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    November 4, 2017 12:55pm
- niggly
  
  Where is Winston?
  
  Oh come on guys, you know the familiar drill!
  
  Winston appears to be following normal operating procedure i.e. lie low for 2 & 1/2 years after an election, then 6 months out from the next election hey presto he reappears out of nowhere and is instantly in the news headlines daily, touring the regions in his bus, drawing in the crowds and simultaneously denouncing and promising everything under the sun!
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:44am
- Brito
  
  He’s locked in the North tower. Shine a light Winston and we shall come for you….(well for your windpipe re-alignment).
  
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  November 4, 2017 10:46am
- backster
  
  Hiding his head in shame but grabbing all the dosh he can.
  
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  November 4, 2017 12:45pm
  - RF
    
    Maybe he is consulting a speech therapist as I always have great difficulty understanding what the old fool is talking about.
    
    When he stands in for the commie chic, question time is going to be very interesting. I hope Mallard makes him answer questions promptly and not ramble on.
    
    Everyday I thank god that National did not go into coalition with this drop kick.
    
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    November 4, 2017 12:57pm
    - Gabby
      
      Maltard will require multichoice rf rf:
      A It’s an operational matter
      B It’s outside my area of responsibility
      C It’s due to the sins and omissions of the previous government.
      
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      November 4, 2017 4:25pm
Manolo

Good times for the US economy:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/hiring-rebounds-in-october-unemployment-rate-falls-to-4-1-1509712307

The U.S. jobless rate fell to a 17-year low in October and employers hired at a strong pace, showing the labor market bounced back from recent hurricanes.
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November 4, 2017 8:04am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Obama did a good job preparing the US for the future didn’t he?
  What’s that? Donald Trump is President? What’s that got to do with it?
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:14am
  - holysheet
    
    I suppose we could use the same logic in the housing market here in Auckland. No doubt Twatford will be taking all the credit for the drop in house values and the building of more houses etc etc
    Lets do this.
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:27am
Paulus

Viva Viva Cindy.
The gangs all here again – well most.
H2 the Dyke is back
H1 is lurking
Michael – call me Sir, Cullen is back to handle the new Tax Committee
Only Margaret Wilson is awaiting a call to handle legal matters
Waiting on Judith Tizard to reappear to get free ticket to everything like before.
And the gang’s all here to destroy the country again.
Cindy is like the Cinderella puppet but dreaming of World domination of the destruction of capitalism
Grant is like the stupid Pierrot – well he is stupid
anyway.
Viva Viva – Che Guevara – he was shot just 50 years ago by his supporters.
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November 4, 2017 8:15am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  You forgot Maharey! A pound to a pinch of shit that he’ll be one of the “experts” on a panel somewhere him sociology quals – perfect to be on the tax working group!
  
  I’d also imagine there’ll be a slot for Judith Tizard too. And maybe a little something for Mary-Ann Street too. Expect a return of the cohort of angry lesbians to the senior echelons of the public service hierarchy too.
  
  MMP – the gift that keeps on giving!
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:28am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    My goodness, it’s like attending an archaeological dig -resurrecting all these old fossils.
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:38am
    - holysheet
      
      But but but, we have so much depth of talent here in the liarbour pardy.
      Lets do this.
      
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      November 4, 2017 8:41am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Archaeological dig? More like opening an old garage full of useless shit
      
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      November 4, 2017 8:43am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        And Palmer? When will the great Sir Geoffrey come out of his rest home to write the constitution for the Republic of Aotearoa?
        
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        November 4, 2017 8:48am
      - GazzaW
        
        Palmer and Chen will be kept way too busy with gold plated legal consultancy contracts from the Commissariat on the 9th Floor.
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:12am
      - holysheet
        
        Guess they could even reserrect the likes of big Norm and Lange if they get desperate enough.
        Lets do this.
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:16am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        The ultimate Weekend at Bernies except the Nil Ziland version would be Weekend at Bellamy’s!
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:37am
    - RF
      
      The return of the Labour crones reminds me of the back paddock on my cousins farm during winter.
      
      Salt licks everywhere.
      
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      November 4, 2017 11:18am
- Inandout
  
  And then there is Darren the wonder boy waiting in the wings.
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:50am
  - MickMac
    
    Lock up of the male interns!
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:46am
- big bruv
  
  Don’t forget that horse face has also said we are about to import 150 fucking terrorists from Manus Island.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:06am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And what gives me the shits is that Joyce is agreeing with it.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:29am
    - srylands
      
      Really?
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:46am
    - projectman
      
      Indeed. “If you don’t like my principles I have others”.
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:51am
  - RF
    
    Breaking news is that Aussie has told the Commie chic to mind her own business concerning the sweet wee boys.
    
    If true she will fly into a rage of foot stamping and finger pointing.
    
    Then she will be shouting … do you know who I am.
    
    Poor soul … the next step is admission to the dementia ward.
    
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    November 4, 2017 6:13pm
- Fletch
  
  The wreckers of the country all back in charge again.
  
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  November 4, 2017 12:13pm
- Harkman
  
  The boy racers have already returned to my street.?
  
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  November 4, 2017 4:58pm
Happychappy

Where are all the economists that were very willing to jump in and voice their support for Labour’s promises of spending that they released during the Election. These same experts are missing in action when it comes to costing and holding Jacinda, Winston and James to the same standards they expected Stephen Joyce to stand up to and seem to have just given the Coalition from he’ll a free pass in what ever they decide. So can anyone please explain how giving Free University fees and a extra $50 a week in their allowance is going to help the poor with more than 60% of students coming from wealthy families.
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November 4, 2017 8:16am
- stigie
  
  This 11.7 billion hole is looking rosier by the hour..?
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:33am
  - holysheet
    
    Yes, its not like Joyce to make such a cock up in his estimations. 11 billion will be far off the mark. Sham on him for getting it so wrong.
    20, 25, 30 billion?
    Who cares it’s only money, and that grows on trees here in little old new Zealand, don’t you know.
    Lets do this.
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:38am
    - Ceejay
      
      Finally we know why they’re so keen to plant the 100 mill trees per year.
      
      They think they’re money trees.
      
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      November 4, 2017 8:49am
      - Gabby
        
        I didn’t get where I am today by planting the 100 mill money trees per year.
        
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        November 4, 2017 4:28pm
      - Piniwi
        
        Yes Ceejay they misinterpreted the expression that there is money in trees. They think it is money ON trees.
        
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        November 4, 2017 6:37pm
    - KevOB
      
      Joyce’s estimate was at an early stage when most of the bill was being hidden from view.
      
      We walked into an election with deceit all about.
      
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      November 4, 2017 11:58am
  - VicParking
    
    At this rate $23 billion plus 600 illegal fence jumpers.
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:39am
  - KKKKatee
    
    It’s going to be so much fun when the pressure comes on the genius Robertson to explain the budget blowout. Can’t wait.
    And we can then all crow that Steven Joyce predicted things rather brilliantly albeit a little short on the actual figure……
    Could well be in excess of $30B
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:41am
    - stigie
      
      But, but but Bernard Hickey and all his leftie economists said Joyce was wrong don’t you know and there will be no hole…..
      Give me fucking strength someone..?
      
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      November 4, 2017 8:48am
      - Inandout
        
        Hickie is an ex journalist, not an economist like Brash.
        
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        November 4, 2017 8:53am
      - KKKKatee
        
        Well, I’m predicting that the $11.7B ‘hole’ is getting bigger by the day…..
        We just don’t know about it yet…..
        It’s a wee bit like doing house renovations….
        You always end up spending much more than you said you would ……..
        
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        November 4, 2017 8:56am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        And the final result is just slightly different than as you saw it in your head
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:02am
      - KevOB
        
        Hickey is only a keyboard fellow who has chosen to present as pundit.
        
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        November 4, 2017 2:49pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      The poof will probably claim that it’s all the market’s fault as the Rt Hon Winston Peters warned us when he announced his ‘choice’ to ~~ruin~~ govern the country.
      
      Capitalism is not working (as he said) and must be crushed for the good of the people. Lets crush this.
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:32am
      - Gabby
        
        Who’s the poof Dave Mong.
        
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        November 4, 2017 4:29pm
      - sooty
        
        You, blabby, you.
        
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        November 4, 2017 5:21pm
  - Paulus
    
    Understood that within the first few days of the election and Cinders anointment the figure as defined by the terrible three is in excess of $18 Billion. it will make the $11 Billion seem paltry within three weeks.
    Hence the announcement of a new Budget with new taxes before Christmas.
    
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    November 4, 2017 1:03pm
    - RF
      
      Correct.
      
      They will trot out the excuse that National left them with a bare cupboard so they had to recalculate their figures.
      
      Lying bastards.
      
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      November 4, 2017 1:30pm
    - Piniwi
      
      It’s coming Paulus. The new idea is targeted rates to fund infrastructure. The theory is that property owners who gain property value increases from developments and renewed infrastructure will pay more rates. Obviously based on an assumption that property prices will continue to rise. This pops out as prices flatten and even ease to some extent so raises the question if a rate reduction will also be included for a shrinking equity?
      
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      November 4, 2017 6:47pm
- SPLOOGE
  
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  In 2008 when Labour took over national debt was about 35 billion when National took over it was about 5 billion, when National left office last month it was back up over 30 billion.
  8 straight surpluses under Labour, 8 straight deficits under National..
  Theses are facts
  So do tell me again, who are the better money managers?
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:59am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You need a better level of understanding
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:03am
    - SPLOOGE
      
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      Facts are stubborn things.
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:09am
      - starboard
        
        Show some then.
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:12am
      - CHFR1
        
        I think a city fell over during National’s watch oh and another town was all but wiped off the map, that has to cost.
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:19am
      - KevOB
        
        …and your’e not?
        
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        November 4, 2017 2:49pm
    - Gabby
      
      It’s okay when the borntorule tories do it innit puller goon.
      
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      November 4, 2017 4:40pm
  - starboard
    
    When Nats took over, ACC was broke.
    Liarbor couldnt run a bath.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:11am
    - SPLOOGE
      
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      No it wasn’t. That was just another National beat up.
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:24am
      - waikatogirl
        
        There are none so blind as they who won’t see! ?
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:51am
      - Paulus
        
        Twerp Splate
        Cullen – call me Sir, told Treasury to leave out the $2 Billion deficit in the 2008 PREFU.
        Facts are readily available and he conceded that he did not think it was relevant.
        Like buying a Train set when he paid four times its value with billions required to be spent on it.
        
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        November 4, 2017 1:07pm
  - Swifty
    
    You are factually incorrect. Again.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:24am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      No I’m not.
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:28am
      - VicParking
        
        Explain with facts then Mr “Fake News”
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:49am
      - SPLOOGE
        
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        Explaining is losing.
        And unlike National supporters, I’m not an loser.
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:04am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNkjDuSVXiE
        
        Sounds like you need the argument clinic
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:23am
      - Brito
        
        You are AN loser.
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:49am
  - Ceejay
    
    Yeah I know it’s early in the morning for clarity of thinking… was it 1999 when Labour took over?
    
    Anyway, I’m sure you’re aware of the Treasury’s Prefu prediction in 2008 of a decade of deficits, before the Nats took over?
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:29am
    - Gabby
      
      I didn’t get where I am today by being aware of Treasury’s Poopoo predictions.
      
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      November 4, 2017 4:42pm
  - realityczech
    
    National spent the money of fixing cities and infrastructure. Labour spent it on filling the public service with highly paid incompetent lesbians.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:38am
    - MCos
      
      “National spent the money of (sic) fixing cities and infrastructure.”
      Which particular cities are you referring to?
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:48am
    - Gabby
      
      So that’s why we have no reallyczit infrastructure.
      
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      November 4, 2017 4:43pm
  - KevinH
    
    Twyford admitted to a $6 billion dollar hole in Auckland’s infrastructure budget that Labour had not previously anticipated.
    Joyce was right, watch Labour back pedal on their budget predictions.
    
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    November 4, 2017 12:29pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Yes KevinH. But the funniest part of that sound bite was the methods he “floated” to extract it from tax & rate payers.
      
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      November 4, 2017 6:55pm
  - Harkman
    
    Sploogie this is wrong if you visit the RBNZ’s website you will find nominal debt barely changed under Clark & Cullen at about $32b, they just used trick accounting to include the Cullen fund and ACC’s reserves as assets in the net position, both are technically “escrow accounts” that are future liabilities, not really assets. Can you really argued the ballooning of nominal debt between 2007 and 2010 had anything to do with National, it was Labour’s expensive policies that were not priced over the entirety of the business cycle.
    
    As for the Cullen fund, when National stopped adding to it in 2009 we had put something like $9.3b in to it and it was worth significantly less. Management was hiding behind annual contributions to mask under performance. I worked out in 2011 that had we originally put the $ into gold & oil at that stage it would have been worth a lot more.
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:28pm
oldpark

Been reading the comments of a guy from the coalition of losers. His name Twyford. His comments. A little bit different from the time he put the boot into any NZ house buyer with Asian or Chinese sounding names.
This time seems the ratbag and clown has come out with a comment. “We inherited a disaster”This time now talking about the so called shortage of newbuilds houses in NZ. .
Talk about an own goal of “inheriting a disaster”. It will be the mad dog policies of the” Coalition of Losers”,which will be inflicted on NZs.Thanks Winston ,we could not have allowed any of the mad dog dreams and schemes, about to be enacted by you’re anointed cabal,without you’re angst and input.
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November 4, 2017 8:17am
- KKKKatee
  
  I’d hate to think what the magnitude of the clusterfuck will be when this rabid Govt gets booted out at some time in the future.
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:50am
- SPLOOGE
  
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  Not forgetting that if National made government they also would have been in a coalition of losers too.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:01am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Again, a better level of understanding is required
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:07am
    - SPLOOGE
      
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      Again, facts are stubborn things.
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:10am
      - stigie
        
        Show some big boy..?
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:29am
      - VicParking
        
        Fake News again. I dont know why we dont just call it “Left News”
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:51am
DifferentPerspective

They don’t like it when it’s done back to them

Hero James O’Keefe catches up with head editor of NYT in the street and asks a few simple questions.

Isn’t it funny how these lying MSM animals don’t like it when their own tactics are used against them. Why does he refuse to answer any of these questions? All journalists think it’s OK to hound and mob everybody else with questions and to invade their privacy! O’Keefe has re-defined investigative journalism so surely they’d be happy to talk to him in an open, transparent manner – after all – public interest?

Oh I forget, it’s OK when the left do it!
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November 4, 2017 8:20am
- cha
  
  Hero James O’Keefe catches up with head editor of NYT in the street and asks a few simple questions.
  
  Did he invite the editor aboard the dildo lube boat?.
  
  1. condom jar
  2. dildos
  3. Music
  
  a. Alicia keys [sic]
  b. 80s romance songs, things that are typically James
  c. avoid Marvin Gaye as too cliche
  
  4. lube
  5. ceiling mirror
  6. posters and paintings of naked women
  7. playboys [sic] and pornographic magazines
  8. candles
  9. Viagra and stamina pills
  10. fuzzy handcuffs
  11. blindfold
  
  https://wonkette.com/424143/james-okeefe-tries-to-get-cnn-reporter-onto-his-dildo-lube-boat
  
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  November 4, 2017 10:46am
fernglas

Fake news is really getting out of control. Trump is on a mission that could make or break US influence in the Asia-Pacific region, and he gets undermined by this sort of coverage:

“Another complication is the length of the journey, which will challenge a man who aides say likes to sleep in his own bed and enjoys the comforts of home. The longer Trump is away, and the more tired he gets, the higher are the risks of gaffes or explosive remarks.
CNN has reported that White House aides have asked for familiar food to be on hand for Trump’s meals, rather than the region’s exotic cuisine, that could knock the President off balance.”

I have a young niece who needs that sort of treatment, but falsely attributing that type of behaviour to the President is disgraceful.
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November 4, 2017 8:24am
- Manolo
  
  The MSM hacks will continue to defame President Trump forever and a day.
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:27am
  - fernglas
    
    Defamation of course means that it is not true. If it is not, then it is indeed fake news.
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:40am
  - Disaster Area
    
    The easiest way for the MSM to make Trump look mean, vain, vindictive, and shallow is to simply report what he does and says.
    
    Most of the time he does this himself by using Twitter.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:07am
    - flipper
      
      Bullshit.
      He gets to the nub of an issue and to 100 million US folk via twitter and other social media.
      The MSM hate him because this subverts or contradicts the spin they put on what he says. They (the east and west coast media elites) are a useless and dishonest bunch that survive only because of the First Amendment.
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:48am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Bahahaaaaa.
        You really are a first class fool Flipper.
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:18am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Pot. Kettle……….
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:30am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Whereas Splooge, you’re a fool, but you don’t have any class at all.
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:26am
- s.russell
  
  The comments about Trump (eg that he enjoys the comforts of home) are likely true. As is the analysis that his mood may be affected by events. None of that is really terrible.
  
  What is disgraceful is not that the media reports these things (the US has a free press), but that his aides are gossiping to the press like that.
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:44am
  - calendar girl
    
    Gossip? Maybe. Or unscrupulous / unprofessional media just making it up.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:27am
  - flipper
    
    John Kelly says that what you say is crap and that all of what is said to have occurred is just not true. Unlike most before him, he does not drink alcoholic beverages…. and that also pisses off the smart arse writers of political fiction …. and the “tellywood” predatory sexual sickos like K. Spacey.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:54am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      ”Grab ’em by the pussy”
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:20am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        You’d love that , wouldn’t you.
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:32am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Who are you referring to, Democrat big noters like Weinstein, Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey ?
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:28am
- SPLOOGE
  
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  Well he is the most ill suited person to be president ever.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:03am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And HRC could not have had that title then?
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:10am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Both of them are as bad as each other, but in different ways. To acknowledge that the president is a narcissistic, lying, bullying arsehole with a tenuous grip on reality doesn’t necessarily mean that one is a supporter of HRC.
      
      America is going through an existential crisis and it might not actually survive this fool’s presidency as a world power. One can only hope that he won’t (literally) take the rest of the world down with him.
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:46am
      - Inandout
        
        Obama was such a nice person and he could speak well; no substance but. He left the Democrats in financial strife which even the Clinton Foundation couldn’t save. He let Hillary get away with murder and seemed to have a Winston-like attitude to hard work. Hillary and her Muslim aide worked their sinister covert actions behind the scenes. I am convinced that warts and all Trump was the right choice for the big job.
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:17am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Obama nice !!?! He was a slimy fuck with a penchant for flat out lying and a easy way with racism and dog-whistling. Worst president ever, with no clear contender.
        
        Given a free ride by his lapdogs in the media to hide just how dreadful he was.
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:31am
    - Nermal
      
      Toss up between her and Obama.
      
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      November 4, 2017 12:34pm
      - Paulus
        
        Heard somewhere here that Obama was planning to try for the Democratic Presidential Candidate.
        He is now very rich as well.
        
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        November 4, 2017 1:10pm
  - flipper
    
    If that is so dumbass, so is the toothfairy who purports to be “our” Prime Minister, but is in fact the figurehead of the minority Perters/Ardern Regime – and certainly the least qualified apparent Prime Minister in our political history. Can you not see dumbass that she sits on the 9th only for so long as she lets W Peters have his wicked ways ?????
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:02am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      It would have been the same if Winston went with National Flipper so your point is pointless.
      But hey you tried.
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:08am
- MCos
  
  That quote from from CNN sounds entirely reasonable. Trump’s trip is thirteen days long and involves three important summits APEC, ASEAN & EAS. The guy’s got to have his wits about him & he’s no fan of Asian tucker. He’s an older chap not used to putting in the long hours like this.
  America is well liked in Asia, but then again so is China.
  Trump will probably get a good reception from the leaders over there, but only because he’s the President of the United States.
  
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  November 4, 2017 12:29pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    The guy’s got to have his wits about him
    
    His wits? Sorry I don’t understand your reference. Which wits?
    
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    November 4, 2017 4:08pm
SJ Actual

Bloody scary that Winston seems so besotted with Russia.
Easy to understand though. He’d be such an easy mark with a little ego stroking.
Looks like this government really is prepared to go full socialist if they prefer Russia to the EU.
Not to mention the hypocrisy of doing a free trade deal with Russia while denouncing the tppa.
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November 4, 2017 8:25am
- holysheet
  
  Follow the money. The drunken dwarf has form in this area. Look behind the facade at who the donors are to the Winstonfirst party. We all know about the fishing and racing industries support for this vile person. Who else has donated to him and has a vested interest in the russian economy?
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:33am
  - Piniwi
    
    True holysheet. You missed Forestry and the pay back with billions of trees to be planted and gifted by the taxpayer.
    
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    November 4, 2017 7:01pm
- Ceejay
  
  Agree that Winston’s Russian fascination is weird, and scary.
  
  Not sure that you can call what the Russians are doing at the moment socialist though.
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:41am
- s.russell
  
  The Russians have a track record of buying influence in elections – funding political parties Europe for example. You have to wonder if they are doing that here.
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:47am
  - SPLOOGE
    
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    ”You have to wonder if they are doing that here”
    Still looking for reason as to why National lost are we?
    You’re living in a fantasy world kiddo.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:05am
    - srylands
      
      This is worse than ztev.
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:15am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Not so sure about that SJA.
  I would suggest that the EU is much more socialist than Russia. Russia may well be more of a dictatorship, but socialist ???
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:26am
starboard

More feral native scum.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/98537007/young-men-treated-woman-as-less-than-human-during-gang-rape
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November 4, 2017 8:40am
- lastmanstanding
  
  Pity we dont have the death penalty for sub humans like this.
  
  But but but……………………………say all the soft cocks they are just misunderstood Yoof any way its all your fault White MotherF……
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:04am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  They were ‘good boys’
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    . . .turning their lives around
    
    ffs
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:13am
  - big bruv
    
    They’re victims of colonisation, simple as that.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:14am
    - Piniwi
      
      All that and more big bruv. Throw them in the slammer and let them be somebodies bitch.
      
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      November 4, 2017 7:04pm
- Longknives
  
  C’mon Starboard you are judging them in a ‘Pakeha’ context.
  Just wait until the Rethinking Crime and Punishment mob influence Labour/Greens to change our laws- It will be a quick trip for some ‘rehabilitation’ at the Marae for these guys..
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:15am
- srylands
  
  I was surprised at the relatively light sentences. The ring leader got 11 years. The others 7.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:25am
  - waikatogirl
    
    And committed armed robbery of a Liquorland, plus burglary while on bail. What were they doing on bail after such a vicious rape charge?
    
    3S candidates among this pack of animals.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:34am
  - GazzaW
    
    ……and out in four years and two and a bit years respectively.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:36am
  - backster
    
    I was surprised at the relatively light sentences. The ring leader got 11 years. The others 7……
    sub divide by 3
    
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    November 4, 2017 1:02pm
- Brito
  
  Like I said earlier in the week, when one of these poor fellows rapes a bleeding hearts relative, they’ll get it. Until then everyone is exposed to these vermin. How about we remove three strikes? Replace with life meaning life…forever…no release…
  
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  November 4, 2017 10:55am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Nice Maori boys who need a little restorative justice and all will be sweet….. These kinds of Rapists need to be executed. But after about 6 years or so they will be out back on the streets ….. And that fucking prick Angry Andy is wanting to do away with the 3 strikes rule.
  
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  November 4, 2017 11:45am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    The three strikes rule is stupid.
    There is plenty of scope to sensibly sentence without the 3 strikes rule.
    
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    November 4, 2017 2:25pm
    - stigie
      
      Enlighten Splooge, show us where 3 strikes has not worked..?
      Come on big boy, show us what ya really got !~
      
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      November 4, 2017 2:34pm
      - Gabby
        
        How many 3 strikers are there stinki?
        
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        November 4, 2017 4:52pm
- GoVege
  
  They are just products of a sexist culture who treat women and girls as punch bags and sex objects, there for no other purpose than to serve males.
  Notice the boys were drinking alcohol and smoking dope since around 8 years of age, and were used to seeing their mums bashed in front of them.
  They should have been removed from their brutal homes at birth but that would have angered the racist party.
  The worst offenders are those with no dads. .. born to young girls aged 13 to 17 that the founder of the racist party calls “their fertility”.
  
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  November 4, 2017 3:03pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  And the excuses already starting for their tough lives and lack of empathy. Poor girl.
  
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  November 4, 2017 6:23pm
VicParking

How long before this type of teaching arrives in NZ.
The Minnesota English course is explained thus: “Understanding Critical race theory was a significant reason behind our school taking another step on our equity journey — incorporating a study of Critical race theory into our sophomore English classes, English teachers felt that our district’s mission is to give all learners the ‘ethical values necessary to thrive in a rapidly changing, culturally diverse, global society’ could not be fully met without explicit discussions of race, racism, and Whiteness.” How much crap can you put in one sentence, even more than William can do.
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November 4, 2017 8:50am
- Ceejay
  
  You wonder why they still bother to call it English. How long till some inspirational thinker comes up with a new “equitable” name for the subject?
  
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  November 4, 2017 8:58am
lastmanstanding

Look for Gift Duty and Death Duty in a forth coming Budget.

This will be to help cover the $11B hole. They will get really desperate when they realise current tax revenue wont cover their promises

The Death Duty rationale will be that BB have enjoyed a tax free capital gain over many years so this is to redress the ‘inequality”

Expect ‘Inequality” to become the new buzz word to cover them for the theft they plan.
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November 4, 2017 8:56am
- SPLOOGE
  
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  What 11 billion hole?
  You are aware there wasn’t one and it was just a made up statistic from the then minister of bullshit and then repeated by the double dipper from Dipton who was prepared to lie even though he claims to be a decent and honest church going man.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:15am
  - srylands
    
    Oh ok. Can you please critique the analysis contained in the excel spreadsheet ‘Excel – Labour’s budget – the cost escalation problem`? See the link half way down the page. Take your time.
    
    I really hope you are correct. However, that seems implausible. So, without simply shooting the messenger or resorting to personal abuse, please explain, even in general terms, how this analysis is wrong.
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/09/labour_have_not_left_enough_cash_for_cost_pressures.html
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:34am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Darn, those pesky facts again eh Sponge?
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:46am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Facts?I don’t see facts. All I see is someone’s opinion and being that it’s on Kiwiblog makes it even more laughable.
        You lot of deluded imbecilic idiots need to try harder.
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:12am
      - srylands
        
        ‘Facts?I don’t see facts.’
        
        I see you resort to personal abuse.
        
        The analysis is not ‘opinion’. And the analysts who worked on it are not “on Kiwiblog”. Sadly, you are.
        
        Anyway I gave it a go. Total waste of time
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:11am
      - Sponge
        
        Please don’t confuse me with the moron Splooge Paulus.
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:14am
    - stigie
      
      Im afraid that Splooge doesn’t understand spreadsheets just like the Wn Fairy doesn’t..?
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:51am
    - realityczech
      
      srylands you are not thinking right. There are other ways of understanding that go beyond mere facts, which are simply a cisgender white male construct anyway.
      
      How do your “facts” honour treaty obligations and provide recognition for man hating fat ugly dykes ?
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:00am
      - srylands
        
        I don’t care.
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:03am
    - srylands
      
      To help, think of it like this. I have net income of 10000 dollars a month. I spend 3000 dollars on petrol, food and utilities. So I decide to buy a new house with a mortgage of 7000 dollars a month. No personal fiscal hole there.
      
      But damn it, the mechanic just told me I need new brakes. Shit the dentist now says that my daughter needs braces. Oh hell there is a leak in the house roof.
      
      Damn it, it is not ending. I now have a 3000 dollar a month personal fiscal hole.
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:02am
      - stigie
        
        Sorry, but Labour don’t understand that shit srylands..?
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:19am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        8 years of surpluses and debt paid down followed by 8 years of deficits and debt up again.
        But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your dribbling bullshit.
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:24am
      - srylands
        
        Have you ever read this? OK I know you have not, do it will at least begin to explain things beyond the slogans you picked up before you were kicked out of The Standard.
        
        http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/forecasts/prefu2008
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:16am
      - niggly
        
        Well said Sylands and it’s a pity that Splooge won’t accept that the 1990-1999 National Govt (just like the 2008-2017 National Govt) laid the foundations for economic growth for the incoming 1999 Labour Govt (just like National have done again for the incoming 2017 Labour Govt).
        
        We can predict that if the 1999-2008 Labour Govt tanked the economy in the end by overspending, well not only can we expect the 2017 Labour Govt to do the same (because the entire COL have the chequebooks out and are embarking on billions of new spending), then I suspect they will tank the economy after 3 years (not 9 under Clark and Cullen)!
        
        This seems to be the pattern but Lefties like Splooge see the complete opposite!
        
        From the 1999 PREFU when National were in Govt:
        
        Despite the contraction in the June quarter the economy is set for solid expansion with quarterly growth expected to run somewhat above trend over the early part of the forecast period. Annual average
        growth is expected to be around 2½% in the year to March 2000, 3½% in the following two years, and 3% in the final year of the forecast period.
        
        Conditions are conducive to growth. Global growth prospects have improved through this year. Trading partner growth is now expected to be around 3% in both 1999 and 2000. For 1999, this marks a doubling on the growth expected at the start of the year. Domestic monetary conditions also remain stimulatory with low short-term interest rates and a competitive exchange rate.
        
        http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/forecasts/budget/1999/pdfs/prefu99-1.pdf
        
        http://www.treasury.govt.nz/budget/forecasts/archive
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:48am
      - srylands
        
        Of course just to complete the picture, just as we were pulling out of the 2008 recession, along came the Canterbury earthquakes.
        
        Regardless of whether he ever becomes Prime Minister again, history will recognise Bill English’s performance as Finance Minister very favourably indeed.
        
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        November 4, 2017 3:35pm
  - rangitoto
    
    The hole is at least $18b without winnies promises added
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:55am
    - KKKKatee
      
      And growing bigger by the hour!
      
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      November 4, 2017 12:32pm
- namron
  
  Good point Lastman. It will be interesting to see the desperate attempts to cover-up all the moneymaking schemes we’ve never heard of before to try and not suffer the BIG embarrassment when the $11B hole inevitably starts appearing.
  Their financial plan to be announced next week might include some inclusions worthy of lots more sneering and “told-you so s”!!
  
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  November 4, 2017 11:57am
- RF
  
  The word of the day is….
  
  Communism.
  
  This is our new Govts goal. Be very afraid.
  
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  November 4, 2017 1:43pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    If the Russian mafia get a foothold in NZ it will be a major problem for NZ.
    
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    November 4, 2017 2:09pm
- Piniwi
  
  True lastmanstanding but it might be an increase in GST first because of a shortfall in funding to bring the “change” that people voted for. In the absence of the release of the 38 page policy agreement addendum nobody really know what’s coming.
  
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  November 4, 2017 7:12pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Why are the msm not demanding to know what the secret 38 page policy agreement addendum contains? If it was National it would be front page news for days and questions galore. Nothing, zilch…crickets…!
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:10pm
Longknives

I mentioned during the Elections a Facebook Friend (Schoolteacher) who made the comment “I don’t care about the bloody Economy- I care about kids with hungry tummies!”

Well I just saw her commenting on a Facebook Political discussion- “Why are National so bitter? All they do is criticize. We all need to get behind Jacinda she is the most awesome Prime Minister we have ever had”

From a Schoolteacher.
Teaches our Kids.

God fucking help us all…
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November 4, 2017 9:12am
- big bruv
  
  Only a facebook friend though…. right?
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:16am
  - Longknives
    
    Old ‘acquaintance’ from the boozy University days Bruv.
    Haven’t seen her for nearly twenty years..
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:19am
- SPLOOGE
  
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  Well National have had it in for teachers and they rightfully have had enough of national’s attacks on them.
  They are underfunded, underpaid and under resourced.
  At least Labour cares about education.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:19am
  - CHFR1
    
    Keep telling yourself that.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:22am
  - Longknives
    
    Ha Ha maybe Labour/Greens will give them even more fucking holidays Splooge?
    Teachers can cry me a river- Most of them would get slaughtered out in the real World..
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:22am
  - calendar girl
    
    “..underfunded, underpaid and under resourced.”
    
    So just throwing more money at it will magically fix everything, SPLOOGE? There’s plenty wrong with NZ education (not forgetting the major part that relies on the home environment). But it needs inspired leadership to bring about genuine improvement. We’ll see what Minister Chris Hipkins can supply in that context. Platitudes like your simplistic “care” concept won’t be enough.
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:55am
  - Digmen1
    
    National should have really got tough on the teachers. Sacked them all and only re-hire on individual contracts,
    Here is the curriculum please just teach it.
    
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    November 4, 2017 11:30am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha….pauses for breath, hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…..Labour cares about education……hahahahahahahahahahaha….
    
    Must be the way you tell them Splooge, no one else can make me laugh like that. What level of self delusion do you need to come that conclusion.
    
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    November 4, 2017 11:39am
- Muttonbird
  
  Facebook? Hand in your man card!
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:27am
  - Longknives
    
    You’re just sulking I didn’t accept that friend request you sent me Muttonbird..
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:30am
    - Gabby
      
      You got enough imaginary teacher friends lungnuts.
      
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      November 4, 2017 5:33pm
- srylands
  
  If any kid in New Zealand is genuinely hungry, something awful has gone wrong with the parents. There is simply no need for it.
  
  I am currently in Mumbai. There are clearly very wealthy people here. But there is breathtaking poverty, as I knew there would be. I saw a mother and child sitting in the gutter yesterday, with the very thin child picking lice from her mother’s hair. Yes that is definitely child poverty.
  
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  November 4, 2017 10:11am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Did the child offer you some lice?
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:15am
    - srylands
      
      No I was racing past in the back of a rickshaw.
      
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      November 4, 2017 11:19am
    - chuk
      
      Splooge – Do you spend time doing anything other than post lame comments on Kiwiblog?
      
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      November 4, 2017 5:14pm
  - Digmen1
    
    You should have sent a photo to Jacinda!
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:30am
- flipper
  
  Sadly Longknives what you report is true.
  In education it applies from early childhood up and in health, for example, it applies from community nurse aides to salaried doctors.
  I recently had a set-to with a GP that I otherwise admire. He does not understand that the Government has NO money of its own. It only has the money that it steals from us. Personally I do not feel like subsiding his latest model Range Rover and his doctor wife’s near new Audi Q7.
  The effing teachers and medicos would have more credibility if a smaller % of state funding were to be allocated to salaries. But what is the most recent demand? 8% or more ? And then we get to free tertiary education where the bottom is about to be removed from the bucket…….
  
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  November 4, 2017 10:30am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Don’t worry, I am a school teacher. I create balance. But the majority of the teachers I work with are all Labour stooges (or Greenies). I never discuss politics with my colleagues, nor my students.
  
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  November 4, 2017 11:51am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And the reason for that is the retaliatory actions that lefttards will resort to when you have an opinion other than theirs.
    
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    November 4, 2017 2:11pm
  - GoVege
    
    You’re NOT!
    God help us….
    
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    November 4, 2017 3:05pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      God has already assured me its Ok. Relax.
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:16pm
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https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2017/nov/03/maltese-journalists-funeral-held-after-politicians-told-to-stay-away

Maltese journalist’s funeral held after politicians told to stay away

“Daphne Caruana Galizia’s family objects to presence of government and opposition leaders as day of mourning declared.”

Murdered Maltese journalist / anti-corruption ‘whistle-blower’ Daphne Caruana Galizia TWICE ‘blew the whistle’ exposing how NZ Foreign Trusts were used for money-laundering by Maltese ‘Politically Exposed Persons’ (PEPs).

Penny Bright

Anti-corruption whistle-blower.
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- Longknives
  
  Sorry Penny you lost me at “publicwatchdog”…
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:23am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Me too.
    How’s your Glenn Innes friend enjoying her (I mean OUR) new place?
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:37am
  - stigie
    
    With house prices coming down Penny, i hope there’s enough equity in the hovel to square away the rates demand’s to the Auckland Council..?
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:37am
  - waikatogirl
    
    LK: Sorry Penny you lost me at “publicwatchdog”…
    
    “self-appointed” ?
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:38am
    - sooty
      
      In other words it’s only her opinion! Which amounts to very little.
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:37am
    - RF
      
      And me. God I feel good. Better than good sex…
      
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      November 4, 2017 1:55pm
  - VicParking
    
    Ditto
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:57am
- flipper
  
  Did you ever blow the whistle on your corruption?
  
  Did you ever apologise to Banksie?
  
  Fuck off back to your hole…..
  
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  November 4, 2017 10:33am
  - GoVege
    
    Apologize to Banksie?
    Surely you’re not talking about love ’em and leave ’em shagger Banksie?
    
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    November 4, 2017 3:07pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Downticked , just in case…
  
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  November 4, 2017 11:52am
- sooty
  
  Penny, you have gone and left allready! What don’t you like it here?
  
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  November 4, 2017 12:01pm
- KevinH
  
  Penny your post infers that the New Zealand government was involved in Ms Galizia’s murder.
  Could you elaborate on that accusation.
  
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  November 4, 2017 12:38pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You read it! Really?!
    
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    November 4, 2017 2:13pm
- G152
  
  Pay your rates
  
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  November 4, 2017 12:49pm
SPLOOGE

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Anyway. 2 weeks in and despite the many predictions from the losers on the right the sky still hasn’t fallen in and Labour’s support has actually risen.
The future looks great.
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November 4, 2017 9:30am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Labour’s support has actually risen.”
  
  Point me to the poll that says that.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:38am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Top of this page Capt’n.
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:16am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Did you find it Capt’n.
    It’s DPF’s poll so it must be true .
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:31am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      CURIA PUBLIC POLL AVERAGE
      
      Vote Seats
      National 43.3% 54
      Labour 39.7% 49
      Green 6.6% 8
      NZ First 6.6% 8
      Act 0.4% 1
      Maori 1.0% 2
      Mana 0.0% 0
      TOP 1.6% 0
      Total 99.3% 122
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:33am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Capt’n?
        You’ve gone quiet.
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:34am
      - flipper
        
        What a load of irrelevant shit.
        
        DPF reads nothing into his average, and dumbass you will note that the average produced a House of 122 when the actuality is 120. The average is just that and your attempt to represent this as an increase in popularity simply confirms that you are non compos.
        Of course the Morgan poll, once so loved by Fraser House, says support for Labour is now under 30.
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:45am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        You really are a dickhead,Splodge.
        
        Perhaps you didn’t see the latest Roy Morgan poll taken after the election:
        Polling Company: Roy Morgan Research
        Dates: 02 October to 15 October 2017
        National 46.0% (+6.0%)
        Labour 31.0% (-8.5%)
        Green 11.0% (+2.0%)
        NZ First 6.5% (+0.5%)
        Maori 1.5% (-0.5%)
        ACT 0.5% (nc)
        TOP 2.0% (nc)
        
        Q.E.D
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:29am
  - Gabby
    
    DON’T PANIC CAP’N CRUSTYGRUTS! DON’T PANIC!
    
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    November 4, 2017 5:39pm
- srylands
  
  On the right of what?
  
  Why would the sky fall in after two weeks? And who are these `losers ‘you refer to?
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:42am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    The National party and their supporters.
    Or if you prefer so not to hurt your feelings sylambs, we’ll call you ‘non winners’.
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:26am
    - srylands
      
      Oh I thought you were referring to commentators on Kiwiblog. I haven’t “lost” anything.
      
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      November 4, 2017 11:24am
    - Prince
      
      I see you’ve changed your name, Gabby.
      
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      November 4, 2017 1:16pm
- doggone7
  
  2 weeks in and the frenzy continues with some bizarre and pathetic comments in places like this. I heard that mental health services are to be a focus of the new government. Those services are going to need to be good to cope with the obvious needs.
  
  I don’t know how plain, deep-seated bitterness can be dealt with.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:43am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    That’s true, the tossers gained the treasury benches and they are still a pack of humourless ignorant twats! Who would have thought on a wage most of us dream about and they would NEVER achieve outside the political bubble unless maccas really does start employing the unemployable, that they would remain so talentless unless starting a conversation about forming a steering group / committee?
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:53am
    - doggone7
      
      Maybe counsellors will recommend that deep-seated bitterness could be dealt with by standing and taking their jobs off them?
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:05am
  - Gabby
    
    The recommended treatment is to exchange the knickers in a twist for big boy pants.
    
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    November 4, 2017 5:42pm
- flipper
  
  Just wait until the Peters/Ardern Regime tries to ramrod its actions past the Select Committee process. Hypocrisy will be cover the floor as the minority regime attempts to weave its wicked will.
  
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  November 4, 2017 10:37am
- KevOB
  
  The sky has started downwards.
  
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  November 4, 2017 12:04pm
Manolo

First warning:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/03/trump-says-unsure-if-tillerson-will-remain-secretary-of-state.html

U.S. President Donald Trump said he was unsure whether his top diplomat, Rex Tillerson, would remain in his post for the rest of Trump’s term in the White House and was “not happy” that some State Department staff were not supporting his agenda.
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November 4, 2017 9:35am
- realityczech
  
  Its amazing the great man is still able to create so many jobs and wealth while battling the fake news media and weeding out traitors.
  
  Trump doesn’t know how to lose, unlike his bitter and pathetic detractors.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:40am
waikatogirl

Life under the 3 headed hydra is depressing enough but today in the Waikato the weather is HORRIBLE, dark and very heavy rain. Hope the rest of you are enjoying sunshine and blue skies weather! ???☔️
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November 4, 2017 9:44am
- realityczech
  
  Its climate change caused by cisgender white males.
  
  Labour has a standing army of angry bulldykes who will fix it for you.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:53am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Thought the rain was caused by too much moisture in the cloud band passing over our house.
    Silly me! ?
    
    I’ll kick my old, white male out, perhaps that will appease the climate change weather gods… Nah!!
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:00am
    - realityczech
      
      Well you know better now.
      
      Climate is driven by only two factors:
      
      1. Capitalism.
      2. White male man pigs.
      
      Labour have a plan to deal with that and soon there will be no climate – unless its approved by lesbians.
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:04am
    - holysheet
      
      Who are you to call me a white male pig? I might act like a pig in mud sometimes, but that’s not the case today.
      Lesbos is a island in the sunny Mediterranean. What do they know about climate and wet stuff?
      
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      November 4, 2017 12:39pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  #weareinauckland!
  
  Maybe not! ?
  
  Good comment rc ?
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:55am
  - VicParking
    
    You are only in Auckland because the petrol is so expensive you can put enough in the tank to leave.
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:01am
- VicParking
  
  Sunny in Whanganui.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:59am
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KiwiBuild doubts raised: building boss blames (Auckland Council) consent delays – NZ Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11939992

… extract …

… Richards addressed industry leaders, funders, builders and colleagues at McConnell Property’s 20th anniversary celebrations at The Cloud in Auckland last night.

“I’m not knocking the aspirations of the KiwiBuild scheme, or out to criticise the approach. But I’m suggesting the new Government needs to be made aware of the challenges of dealing with the Auckland Council’s consenting regime, especially when we compare it to some of the other local authorities around New Zealand,” he said.

Twyford has said that KiwiBuild can be achieved, is a $2b scheme, he has had extensive discussions with industry leaders and is confident of its success.

Richards called for a “radical change” in consenting processes.

“As an industry, we face constant and expensive delays because the council is not resourced adequately,” Richards said, adding that he is not alone in his views, with fellow developers in Auckland regularly voicing the same frustrations. … read more via hyperlink above

… The British style bureaucratically bloated local government culture (an unfortunate Rodney Hide creation for Auckland) … as explained by the UK Daily Mail …

The Great Inertia Sector: A whistleblower’s account of council work where staff pull six-month sickies … UK Daily Mail

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289702/Public-sector-inertia-council-office-employees-month-sickies.html

Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4
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November 4, 2017 10:00am
- VicParking
  
  The head of the building inspectors in Auckland said yesterday that he had 600 staff working for him and they had 3900 buildings to inspect.
  Whats it going to be like when they have to travel out to Kingseat to inspect Twitfords 200,000 new houses .
  
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  November 4, 2017 10:05am
  - freemark
    
    So about 6 each then.
    What are they going to do after next week?
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:25am
    - Digmen1
      
      Sounds like a great job.
      That’s one house a day.
      Then sit on the beach the rest of the day.
      
      No wonder rates are so high!
      
      And they take no responsibility anyway!
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:33am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    Check out the ‘consent rates per 1000 population per annum’ graph at the front end of this article, prepared by Donald Ellis of North Canterbury …
    
    http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/definition-of-affordable-housing.html
    
    … and within this year’s Demographia Survey … Page 26 Fig 10 ‘Post Earthquake Housing Consents – Christchurch Area’ (ChCh with combined smaller Selwy and Waimak …
    
    http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
    
    What lessons have been learned ?
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:26am
    - Swifty
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_DVS_303kQ
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:33am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Hey Hugh,
      What do you think of DPF’s new side bar?
      ‘Labour’s Kiwibuild Deficit’
      Hahahahahahahaah
      
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      November 4, 2017 10:48am
  - flipper
    
    Inspection is a bullshit, box ticking exercise. A waste of time and money.
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:49am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    Well as there is a class action currently brewing against AC for shoddy building inspection and sign offs they better do a good job.
    
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    November 4, 2017 12:33pm
  - KevinH
    
    Twyford said on the Nation this morning that he expected the “market” to deliver on Labour’s Kiwibuild promises.
    
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    November 4, 2017 12:42pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      I am very impressed in how the Labour Party people have got on to these serious housing issues, so soon after becoming government.
      
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      November 4, 2017 1:52pm
      - KevOB
        
        They made them up and pushed them all year.
        Now they will learn the truth that government does not exist solely in their orbit but NZ is not alone in having strong external influences which the cannot control.
        Those who live by rhetoric die by rhetoric.
        Self importance fed on self belief is fatal.
        
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        November 4, 2017 2:57pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        ‘DUMB’ IS NOT BEAUTIFUL KIWIBLOGGERS …
        
        KevinOB … Isn’t it interesting New Zealand is in the broad sense the global leader in politically restoring housing affordability … as I explained to Heather du Plessis Alan on radio mid last year …
        
        Talking housing affordability across the globe with Hugh Pavletich
        
        http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Talking-housing-affordability-across-the-globe-with-Hugh-Pavletich/tabid/506/articleID/122978/Default.aspx
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        .
        … and you will note Don Brash and Bill English on the front of earlier Demographia Survey’s … with Dr Oliver Hartwich, Executive Director of The New Zealand Initiative on the front of this year’s survey.
        
        An extract of what he has to say …
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
        ‘It is a great honour to provide the foreword to this year’s Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey. Not just because I am humbly following in the footsteps of previous contributors to the series, many of whom I know personally
        and admire deeply. But mainly because I have been a fan of Demographia’s indices since they started in 2005.
        
        I first became involved in housing debates in that year when I was a researcher at London think tank Policy Exchange. I remember very well how difficult it was to put a figure to housing affordability which is also internationally comparable.
        
        Demographia’s ‘median multiple’ approach closed this gap. It firmly established a benchmark for housing affordability by linking median house prices to median household incomes. It is as simple as it is ingenious. And it is probably the index I have cited most often in my career.
        
        The ‘median multiple’ is not a perfect measure because it does not account for house sizes or build quality. But it is the only index that allows a quick comparison of different housing markets, and it is the best approximation of housing affordability measures we have to date.
        
        So first of all, my congratulations and thanks to Wendell Cox and Hugh Pavletich: You have done the world a great service with your annual surveys and with your advocacy for housing affordability.
        
        When John Lennon met Elvis for the first time he said, “Before you there was nothing.” I feel the same way about your housing affordability index. Thank you.
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        So it is very sad when my fellow Tories here on Kiwiblog General Debate are not as supportive of restoring housing affordability as much as they should be.
        
        I will leave the former Deputy Editor of the UK (Tory) Telegraph Allister Heath to explain to you guys the consequences of Tories being greedy, ignorant and irresponsible … highlighting the hugely embarrassing annual housing consent volumes of capitalist United Kingdom and socialist France …
        
        The real ticking time bomb for the Tories is home ownership – Telegraph
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11917816/The-real-ticking-time-bomb-for-the-Tories-is-home-ownership.html
        
        … extract …
        
        ‘ … Remarkably, 354,700 new homes were built in France last year, compared with 140,880 across the UK, a pathetically inadequate number barely half of that required. The French were actually bitterly disappointed with their own performance: their recent average has been around 400,000 homes a year. …’
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        Pity about the election result. Most importantly … are you learning anything … are you CAPABLE of learning anything ?
        
        Dumb is not beautiful … unless you are Goldie Hawn …
        
        Dean Martin and Goldie Hawn – Dumb Is Beautiful – Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mez8LZzA-tw
        
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        November 4, 2017 5:44pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Lower Hutt residents plead for more affordable housing at HNZ meeting – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11940488
        
        Hundreds have turned up to a meeting about what to do with long-vacant Housing New Zealand land, saying there’s a need for more affordable options.
        
        Up to 200 homes could be built on the Epuni redevelopment in Wellington, on 1.88ha of land.
        
        But in a first for Housing New Zealand, before starting any planning it today held a community meeting to ask locals what they want the area to become.
        
        Housing New Zealand area manager Stephen Wilson said it was a new way of approaching it for them, and they were surprised by how enthusiastically it was embraced by locals. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 4, 2017 7:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Kiwibuild Deficit up to 256 today
        When will something be done.
        
        Shame, shame, shame
        
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        November 4, 2017 7:29pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Essential viewing …
        
        NEWSHUB THE NATION: LISA OWEN WITH PHIL TWYFORD …
        
        Phil Twyford suggests rates hike for property owners near rail, infrastructure projects | Newshub
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/phil-twyford-suggests-rates-hike-for-property-owners-near-rail-infrastructure-projects.html
        
        Transport Minister Phil Twyford has floated the idea of targeted rates as a way to pay for major developments in Auckland.
        
        Auckland is facing a $6 billion infrastructure funding hole over the next decade as the Government plans $15b worth of transport projects to deal with increasing congestion issues in the city.
        
        “That’s not a fictional hole that’s been made up for electioneering purposes – that’s an actual $6 billion fiscal hole,” Mr Twyford told The Nation on Saturday. … VIEW & READ MORE via hyperlink above …
        
        The Nation: Lisa Owen interviews Phil Twyford | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1711/S00055/the-nation-lisa-owen-interviews-phil-twyford.htm
        
        ‘Let Auckland spread out’: Twyford wants to drop urban boundary – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11940441
        
        Further bond financing information … access left column http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
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        November 4, 2017 8:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Pavletich’s Dog Syndrome
        Yap yap yap
        
        Hey Hugh, are you going to be posting at 3am tonite?
        #nutter
        
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        November 4, 2017 8:50pm
      - Harkman
        
        No the problem is the average house size being built has doubled in the last 20 years. This is due to the earthquake code and land size. I’m willing to bet that when you adjust for all of these factors nz house prices are the same as every other similar country.
        
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        November 4, 2017 10:33pm
- niggly
  
  Groan, thought all this repetitive cut-and-paste and link-whoring crap would disappear now that National are no longer in Govt … but no the likes of Hugh (and Penny) continue to dump their shit and run 🙁
  
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  November 4, 2017 10:45am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Deranged nutters, that’s why.
    
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    November 4, 2017 10:49am
- SPLOOGE
  
  “I’m not knocking the aspirations of the KiwiBuild scheme, or out to criticise the approach”
  Yes you are.
  
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  November 4, 2017 10:52am
  - chuk
    
    Splooge – Do you spend time doing anything other than post lame comments on Kiwiblog?
    
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    November 4, 2017 5:21pm
SPLOOGE

On election night there were celebrations for the National party, balloons and champagne.
What were they celebrating?
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November 4, 2017 10:39am
- All_on_Red
  
  Probably celebrating how much fun there is to be had.
  https://i1.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Screen-Shot-2017-10-27-at-1.42.19-PM.png?ssl=1
  
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  November 4, 2017 10:56am
- stigie
  
  “What were they celebrating?”
  
  https://rdln.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/images.jpg?w=240
  
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  November 4, 2017 11:01am
- Digmen1
  
  The fact that they got by far the most votes of any pardy.
  
  What were Labour doing that night?
  
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  November 4, 2017 11:33am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    That may be true but it wasn’t enough was it.
    Let me explain to you Digmen how MMP works.
    You need to get over 50% of the vote or if you fall short you need to form a coalition with another party.
    National fell short and no one wanted to be their coalition partner because they had burnt all their bridges.
    Labour on the other hand were smart enough not to and successfully formed a coalition.
    
    Do you understand that?
    
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    November 4, 2017 12:25pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Meh. Labour were desperate and caved in to Winstons extravagant demands.
      Do you understand that?
      Anyway, let’s see how long it lasts.
      Personally I hope for awhile. They are so useless it’s going to fun seeing them exposed.
      And it’s started already!!!
      So funny.
      
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      November 4, 2017 12:29pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Labour were desperate and caved in to Winstons extravagant demands.
        Do you understand that?
        
        I don’t. I think Labour and New Zealand First’s economic views and values are very similar, and it was just easier to align them than it was for National to do so. So I don’t think Labour was desperate, although they were hungry after nine years out of power. But it was always going to be easier for them to find common ground with Winston than it was for National. Both Labour and New Zealand First are opposed to neo-liberalism, and both wanted a change of direction.
        
        I also don’t understand why anyone at all thought Winston was ever going to go with National. His campaign slogan of ‘had enough?’ was obviously aimed at National’s governance, and National, in a fit of stupidity, went out of their way to antagonise Winston. It was certainly obvious to me that he would go left not right. So while I don’t endorse splooge’s snark at National, they ran a good campaign and had a valid reason to celebrate their share of the vote, especially after three terms, he is right that at the end of the day, National and it’s support partners lost, because they could not command a majority. The change parties could.
        
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        November 4, 2017 12:47pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Meh. National thought they had won. They still think they DESERVED to win. But they were arrogant and complacent and that’s not what you want in government. 3 terms is enough.
        Besides Bill English isn’t Prime Minister material, he is a flake. He’s been in politics too long and sucked of the public teat long enough.
        And don’t let’s get started on his fruit loop of a wife.
        
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        November 4, 2017 12:50pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Besides Bill English isn’t Prime Minister material, he is a flake.
        
        No, that’s obviously not true. He did a pretty good job as finance minister, and he’s a smart and decent guy. Had National won enough votes to form a government, he would have made a good PM.
        
        And don’t let’s get started on his fruit loop of a wife.
        
        If you think comments like that make you look like anything other than a small minded and nasty individual, you’re wrong.
        
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        November 4, 2017 1:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Sorry Treading. But I don’t think it’s that clear cut.
        Labour were desperate. Ardern et al just caved into everything NZF wanted.
        Also the Nats policies are also close to NZFs in many areas. Id wager more than a few NZF voters were Nat supporters who saw NZF as a way to force Nats to do more things- RMA reform for example.
        Even within NZF there are both Lab and Nat leaning factions.
        So you can’t say NZF leans more to Lab. It was about the positions. Labour were more generous and National missed out.
        It’s becoming clear that cracks are already starting to appear between NZF, Lab and the Greens over a number of issues.
        Defence, Kermadec, Collective Agreements etc
        I could research more but I’m out of time
        
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        November 4, 2017 1:41pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Sorry treadingthe mill, hit report instead of reply. You state about the 8 incher Splooge “If you think comments like that make you look like anything other than a small minded and nasty individual, you’re wrong.” I’d like to correct you. “Splooge you are a small minded, nasty, vindictive, arrogant, ignorant, individual, who can’t argue coherently or measure accurately. You do not add to the debate here; only invite ridicule and a slurry of downticks.
        
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        November 4, 2017 9:01pm
    - chuk
      
      Splooge – Do you spend time doing anything other than post lame comments on Kiwiblog?
      
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      November 4, 2017 5:22pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    I can recall a glum JA giving a pathetic speech conceding defeat on election night. There was certainly no joy in her address that evening. Now, bugger it, she’s PM after all and has prostituted herself politically and now is under pressure to walk the talk. What a nightmare she’s thinking…..
    
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    November 4, 2017 12:27pm
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Well wait until the anxiety disorder really kicks in for her. Especially when the dementia really takes hold on the other side of the caucus table.
      
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      November 4, 2017 12:35pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        But but but.
        English though he would have a chat with Winston, put him in his place and become prime minister.
        But that didn’t happen. Ohhh woe.
        Bahahaaaaaa.
        All this talk about Winston is a joke, National were desperate to get in bed with him and when it didn’t happen they spat the dummy.
        And for that I rejoice… ohh how the entitled have fallen.
        
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        November 4, 2017 12:55pm
- KevOB
  
  That their opponents had unknowingly chosen the slaughter house.
  
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  November 4, 2017 3:01pm
cha

Time served, fined, dishonourable discharge and goes home.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/03/politics/bowe-bergdahl-sentenced/index.html
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November 4, 2017 10:52am
- tom hunter
  
  Charles Morgan, a forensic psychologist, told the judge, Col. Jeffery R. Nance, that he diagnosed Bergdahl with a schizophrenia-like illness after speaking with the soldier, conducting tests, interviewing family members and reviewing relevant records.
  
  He’s prone to paranoia, severe social anxiety, unconventional beliefs and socially awkward behavior, Morgan said. Bergdahl, he added, has contemplated self-castration, believing it would purify him, and has trouble understanding how to form social relationships.
  
  So he won’t be feeling any guilt or shame for any deaths and injuries his comrades suffered in looking for him. And given what his parents appear to be like, I would strongly urge him to self-castrate.
  
  Perhaps the reason for this sentence is that the US Army wants to forget that they took him in. Between this and the recent West Point communist graduate (with the chain of low-quality processes revealed in that debacle), things aren’t looking too hot for that institution.
  
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  November 4, 2017 11:14am
sooty

Angry says he is going to learn te reo? I would have thought he should be learning more on how to run his dept and goverment, would be more important. But then maybe he has orders from her the princess to jabber on and make a fool of him self!
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November 4, 2017 12:05pm
- Paulus
  
  Remember Angry could well be back, and as Prime Minister, within the year.
  The Unions did not appoint Cinderella, Helen Clark and Grant Robertson saw a loop in the Union controlled Election Process and took advantage of it.
  She has to be confirmed by the Unions after six months.
  Although thy may keep her as a puppet for their new Workplace rules.
  
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  November 4, 2017 1:20pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    ^^delusional fantasy^^
    
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    November 4, 2017 1:25pm
    - chuk
      
      Splooge – Do you spend time doing anything other than post lame comments on Kiwiblog?
      
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      November 4, 2017 5:24pm
rightoverlabour

This is GREAT news. https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98519361/weve-inherited-a-disaster-official-figures-show-45000-home-shortfall-in-auckland
Looks like my rental house won’t drop any further in value, and house prices should start to pick up again especially as chinky sounding buyers get in before the new “ban” kicks in. So glad I now own a property that is “sensitive”. Will the government supply security guards now?
https://www.linz.govt.nz/regulatory/overseas-investment/what-you-need-do-if-you-are-selling-new-zealand-assets-overseas-investors/sensitive-land#ann

and

https://www.linz.govt.nz/regulatory/overseas-investment/what-you-need-do-if-you-are-selling-new-zealand-assets-overseas-investors/sensitive-land
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November 4, 2017 12:10pm
- chris
  
  Three things struck me when I read that article about Phil Twyford:
  
  1) Labour may finally be beginning to understand the laws of supply and demand.
  
  2) How did they not know this stuff already? It’s not like it’s a secret, and they could have been making OIA requests for any useful information that wasn’t public. You have to ask yourself what on earth they were actually doing while in opposition.
  
  3) Now that they’re in power, they may finally be realising that you can’t just wave a magic wand and all these houses get magically built. Twyford’s already backtracking on how quickly they can build houses.
  
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  November 4, 2017 12:41pm
Surely Knott

So confused. What is left and what is right. Phil Twyford stealing Act policies and is now calling for abolition of the Rural/urban boundary in Auckland!. Auckland Council under Labour mayors has just lead the city, at huge expense through the unitary plan process. But now he wants’ to change the game. And wants to fix ” the highly restrictive planning rules like the urban growth boundary.” ? Those planners and massive bureacracy at Auckland Council are run by your peeps Phil! Great idea streamlining the planning process but why aren’t labour already onto it. We’ve just been through the Unitary Plan process which was an enormous expense to council and the public who hired lawyers . But now he wants to change the planning rules. That’s fine but he just opens his mouth and lets out brain farts when the reality is that Labour has been inextricably linked to the existing planning in Auckland. Twyford is shaping up to be my least favourite mp. What does labour even stand for now.
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November 4, 2017 12:15pm
- Inandout
  
  Phil is a dick.
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/11/collins-body-slams-twyford-nash/
  
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  November 4, 2017 1:03pm
  - waripori
    
    Labour are in Government because some voters thought Jacinda was a nice person. Many of those people are now realising that you cant have Jacinda without Labour policies. Twyford now saying that the 10c per litre fuel tax will contribute 1.5 billion to the light rail project but he needs an additional 6 Billion from a targeted rate on properties close to the rail which will get a value boost from it. Aucklanders will hate that and I don’t imagine Phil Goff can support it either.
    Lots of examples of this sort of thing. Parents like National Standards and wont like them going.
    Labours IR policies were not tested in the election because of the Jacinda effect but they will be in the house.
    It turns out those Policemen and Trees aren’t extra at all.
    Phil isn’t actually going to build houses he is going to help developers get finance by agreeing to buy the houses they were going to build anyway.
    On 1 April voters are going to be reminded they had their $1,000 tax cut revoked so kids could get a free year at University to get a degree in beer drinking.
    There is so much material for the Nats to work with they wont know where to start and this is before the newbie ministers even start to screw up and the parties in the CoL start to scrap among themselves.
    
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    November 4, 2017 3:28pm
    - starboard
      
      Well said.
      
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      November 4, 2017 8:07pm
Digmen1

I blame Peter Dunne for a lot of this. RMA!

And its also a basic fact, that as you get further out from the city costs go up. Roads, sewage, water etc
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November 4, 2017 12:44pm
KevinH

The pop up fireworks shops are doing a roaring trade here in West Auckland this weekend.
I’m totally over it with these gormless morons letting off fireworks all night long in my neighbourhood.
Just imagine how much bene money is quite literally going up in smoke.
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November 4, 2017 12:50pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  None I imagine.
  People on benefits can’t afford new shoes let alone fireworks.
  But hey, keep on perpetuating the myth that people on benefits are living the high life if it makes you feel good about yourself.
  
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  November 4, 2017 12:58pm
  - stigie
    
    Ok Splooge, we will !~
    
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    November 4, 2017 1:15pm
  - Happychappy
    
    It shows just what a deluded moron you are SPLOOGE the amount of young kids with phones and Nike shoes walking around shopping centres in my home town from parents on benefits is there for all to see. But I guess after your day at kindergarten your mum would probably not wish to let you loose in a shopping centre.
    
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    November 4, 2017 5:06pm
Nookin

DNFTT
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November 4, 2017 1:28pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  Trolling? Nah. Just an alternative point of view to yours.
  You don’t like it and it pleases me.
  
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  November 4, 2017 1:34pm
Nookin

It is possible to express a contrary view without coming across as a complete twat.
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November 4, 2017 1:44pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  Well I treat people the way they treat me.
  You are after all a one sided bunch of deluded idiots and I feel that it is my duty to upset you with sensible and insightful commentary that I know you’ll disagree with.
  Besides without the like of me you’ll be reduced to a continuous mutual masturbation session
  
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  November 4, 2017 2:15pm
  - realityczech
    
    “without the like of me you’ll be reduced to a continuous mutual masturbation session”
    
    Well you did get that much right. The rest of your contributions are a triumph of ideology over results and outcomes. Results matter, not grand ideas.
    
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    November 4, 2017 2:20pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Like a nationwide cycle trail?
      
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      November 4, 2017 2:34pm
      - starboard
        
        Splooge is the result of 2 cousins that slept together..
        
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        November 4, 2017 4:37pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Likely to be more than two starboard.
        
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        November 4, 2017 7:10pm
      - GazzaW
        
        http://www.nzcycletrail.com
        
        The Nats invested $50 mill and the project was supported by your mates at the Green Party. Check out the website Sploogey for info on the 2500 km trails. As a special treat there’s a message just for you from Sir John Key. Enjoy, just as tens of thousands of international tourists have done.
        
        I await your abusive reply big fella.
        
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        November 4, 2017 11:03pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    “…..sensible and insightful commentary..”
    
    Well done SPLODGE.
    
    You’ve exploded my ridicule meter.
    
    You are a sorry self-delusional twat.
    
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    November 4, 2017 2:56pm
    - srylands
      
      ‘“…..sensible and insightful commentary’
      
      I don’t see any. At all.
      
      I very much welcome diverse views here.
      
      You are dealing with many people here who have their analysis and recommendations tested in their professional lives. If a client critiques my analysis, I can’t just repeat it, loudly, or resort to platitudes. Or worse, call them delusional morons. I’d be out of business.
      
      I don’t know what your professional background is. But I’d wager you are not accustomed to backing up your ideas not just with unconnected facts, but with critical analysis.
      
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      November 4, 2017 4:06pm
  - holysheet
    
    Its all clear now your fascination with masturbation when one sees what your name actually means.
    
    https://www.thefreedictionary.com/Splooge
    
    you grubby little prick, you are well suited to support the clusterfuck govt we now have.
    
    Here’s a card from your boyfriend.
    
    http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1342548959227_9904129.png
    
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    November 4, 2017 3:45pm
  - Nookin
    
    You are after all a one sided bunch of deluded idiots and I feel that it is my duty to upset you with sensible and insightful commentary ..
    
    Troll in other words
    
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    November 4, 2017 4:19pm
- waikatogirl
  
  This is Splodge trying to make friends and influence people. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
  
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  November 4, 2017 2:21pm
  - stigie
    
    Splodge thinks he would like to be this bloke..?
    
    http://dealbyethan.com/mens-fashion-blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/California-Muscle.jpg
    
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    November 4, 2017 2:43pm
softail 1450

I’m sure splooge is grubby with better spelling habits,,,,,a troll for sure .
he’s sitting in his pensioners flat saying to himself
” I really got those bastards today,I showed them ”
he’s a tosser,that goes without saying,but I’m saying it anyway.
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November 4, 2017 2:37pm
- starboard
  
  “,a troll for sure”
  
  …and a serious failure at that.
  
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  November 4, 2017 4:33pm
big bruv

So, Samoa v Tonga tonight. How many arrests and how many killed?
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November 4, 2017 2:37pm
- waikatogirl
  
  bb, there was another fight in Otara today. Probably another one tonight. According to Island elders it is their excitment of rugby league that is spilling over and causing them to bash each other.
  It seems it is more just any old excuse will do.
  
  Stay out of Hamilton and stay off the Waikato expressway tonight.
  
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  November 4, 2017 2:46pm
  - KevOB
    
    Tonga has invaded Samoa in the past and fight to remove them is still celebrated.
    
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    November 4, 2017 3:05pm
  - big bruv
    
    As I drove into the city this morning I counted at least ten shitty people movers festooned with Tongan flags heading south.
    Nothing at that stage of the morning bearing the Samoan flag.
    
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    November 4, 2017 3:29pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Stay out of Hamilton”
    
    As does any sensible person.
    
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    November 4, 2017 3:31pm
    - RalphT
      
      Yes, the bypass roads are a godsend.
      
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      November 4, 2017 5:23pm
- holysheet
  
  Who actually cares how many succumb to Darwinism. I just hope they don’t affect any innocent bystanders.
  They are all such lovely good boys who just cannot control their enthusiasm for their country. Yeah right.
  
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  November 4, 2017 3:39pm
  - Digmen1
    
    And during the rest of the week, they will be doctors, dentists, managers, salespeople, inventors, scientists and other pillars of society and advancement.
    
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    November 4, 2017 4:05pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Fat chance. The professionals in the PI community don’t associate with the low lives doing their best to be “wannabe gangstas”.
      
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      November 4, 2017 9:07pm
Monique Watson

A guy walks into a bar with a gun and said “Which one of you slept with my wife.” and a guy in the back stands up and says “You dont have enough bullets.”
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November 4, 2017 3:49pm
Fletch

Labour proposes more regional targetted rates –

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/government-floats-idea-targeted-rates-pay-auckland-developments

Don’t say you weren’t warned, Jacinda voters. We told you so before the election.
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November 4, 2017 4:26pm
- niggly
  
  She wasn’t called “Taxinda” for nothing (in the lead up to the election)!
  
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  November 4, 2017 5:43pm
realityczech

The anti Slavic hatred continues even years after 25 Million died at the hands of Nazi Germany.

Here we have the media and a university Professor teaming trying to dress up bigotry and hate as international relations.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/98555584/winston-peters-plan-to-reopen-trade-talks-with-russia-called-puzzling
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November 4, 2017 4:27pm
- Viking2
  
  Long overdue. Past time we ditched the Germans and their constant attempts at world control.
  
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  November 4, 2017 5:00pm
Fletch

A Facebook meme going around featuring a photo of Debbie Wasserman-Shultz –

“We gave Bernie a lesson in Socialism – we took votes he’d earned and gave them to Hillary”.
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November 4, 2017 4:31pm
sam green

Have we chatted about the Hagaman case yet?
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November 4, 2017 4:43pm
- Viking2
  
  No but given that Little outlived Hagaman he should consider himself lucky.
  The Judge decided that because Hagaman was no longer here to front the allegations that allowed that no defamation existed.
  
  That of course doesn’t make the allegation not true but absolves Little from his responsibility.
  
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  November 4, 2017 5:03pm
  - niggly
    
    Yep and let’s not forget Little’s publicised clumsy attempt to settle with the Hagaman’s at the 11th hour prior to the trial commencing. It can only be taken as an admission of guilt.
    
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    November 4, 2017 5:50pm
- GazzaW
  
  No we haven’t ‘chatted’ about Earl Hagaman yet Sam. It’s not the done thing to to try to make political capital out of those recently deceased.
  
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  November 4, 2017 7:19pm
Monique Watson

An out-of-towner was driving through a small town North of Levin and passed a restaurant. He wanted to make a U-turn, but saw a police officer just up ahead. He pulls up and asks the officer, “Excuse me, but can you make a u-turn?” The officer looks at the fella and says, “Well hell yeah! I can even make her eyes bug out!”
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November 4, 2017 5:11pm
- RalphT
  
  MW, are you channeling johnboy?
  
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  November 4, 2017 5:25pm
realityczech

Why no articles about how the hacked emails helped defeat Clinton. That is because they would have to reveal the extent of the evil old hags lies and corruption.

She is a truly hideous creature and her supporters should be treated as terrorists.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/98560244/inside-story-how-russians-hacked-the-democrats-emails
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November 4, 2017 5:19pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes, she took payment from Russia, she is evil and she should be tried for corruption.
  
  And she has the cheek to be amazed at why she was not elected.
  
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  November 4, 2017 5:37pm
  - realityczech
    
    The emails also showed what is really going on in Syria. It was not an uprising of the people that caused the human rights disaster.
    
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    November 4, 2017 5:41pm
- Inandout
  
  Stuff commenters are seriously deluded in their anti Trump postures.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:40pm
Viking2

Now here is an interesting story with a twist of fate and history.
Many years ago there was a commune on the Wanganui river.
Started by Nuns and frequented by many including James K Baxter. (grubby bugger he was.)
Part of the history of the commune was that the Nuns had gardens and were known for the medicinal properties of one of the herbs they grew. That plant was promoted by them as a cure for some things. It was marijuana in a less potent form than today.

What is intriguing about this is that today we have many who want this herb reinstated as a medicinal product. (rightly imho).

Now a Nun from Wellington has been proposed to Rome to become a Saint.

Did she have a foresight that should have become mainstream?

Suzanne Aubert’s chances of becoming New Zealand’s first Saint could hang on whether or not it can be proven she performed a medical ‘miracle’ unexplained by doctors.

The road to official recognition is a long one, requiring reports, citations of witnesses, a biography, medical records and medical studies of people cured.

Aubert was widely-known in Wellington for her work with the sick and the poor, as well as with people from all cultures and religious beliefs.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98513413/suzanne-auberts-chances-of-becoming-a-saint-rest-on-doctors-verifying-her-miracles

While there is no apparent connection between the two “wives tales” would have it otherwise.

And remember back in those early days there were few doctors and even less drug companies. There were few roads around the country and people were used to alternative medicine.

Another example if you like is Manuka honey. Plenty of old bushmen knew about that. Even I did as a young person. Didn’t know why but it worked.

Much and all as I don’t care for the religious bruha of this I find it interesting that the use of alternative medicine could be recognized in Rome.

I guess the Pope needs a new way to raise cash. He will be competing with the govt. though.
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November 4, 2017 5:23pm
- nasska
  
  Hallelujah! We have a new saint & are now well on the way to discovering a cure for coughs, colds, sores, moles & pimples on the dicky.
  
  God bless the Holy Catholic church & their pompous bullshit.
  
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  November 4, 2017 5:43pm
  - realityczech
    
    They can do all that but can’t stop their priests raping boys.
    
    The lord works in mysterious ways.
    
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    November 4, 2017 5:46pm
    - nasska
      
      The depravity of some Godbotherers defies description RC.
      
      …..” It was 1970 and Jerome and his mother had already experienced their fair share of terror. Having escaped from his abusive biological father, Jerome and his mother, a struggling alcoholic, had a new man in their life – Neale.
      
      Neale was a well-respected member of the community, wealthy and active in his church. Jerome said he was well-liked by everyone.”…..
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11940485
      
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      November 4, 2017 6:01pm
  - Viking2
    
    It’s “coughs, cols, sore holes and pimples on the dicky”
    You could at least get that right.
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:00pm
chuk

Nice cartoon in our local weekly rag by “Ekers”:

Winston in a restaurant looking disgruntled, has a glass of red wine and a plate of bangers and mash. He points to the plate and says “this is not what I ordered”.

The waiter says “I know sir, 7% of our other customers decided what you should have. Bon appetit!”
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November 4, 2017 5:34pm
Nookin

Sad that Julie Anne Genter decided that this weekend’s road toll was an appropriate excuse for cheap political point scoring.
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November 4, 2017 6:11pm
waikatogirl

Liarbor promised a myriad of law changes in the first 100 days in office. The 100 days will be up on 3 February so Parliament will work up to within a few days of the Christmas break to ram all these new, expensive laws through.

Isn’t it wonderful! //
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November 4, 2017 6:17pm
- sam green
  
  Even the left get Christmas off!
  
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  November 4, 2017 6:34pm
  - starboard
    
    stooooooopid boy
    
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    November 4, 2017 8:04pm
  - Viking2
    
    Why, mostly they are agnostic aren’t they?
    
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    November 4, 2017 9:58pm
cha

Anyone seen him?.

https://i.imgur.com/4qd5qCw.png
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November 4, 2017 6:34pm
- realityczech
  
  Ask over at the Standard he looks like one of theirs.
  
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  November 4, 2017 6:39pm
- GazzaW
  
  That is a seriously sad photo. Look at the young bloke next to him with the full facial gang tat. With a father like that he’s never stood a chance.
  
  Look on the bright side though. They’ll both be off to uni next year courtesy of you and me.
  
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  November 4, 2017 7:29pm
- Inandout
  
  What is it with their deformed fingers?
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:34pm
realityczech

Can’t come if you have skills, money and a job. But welcome if you don’t and you hate our guts and culture.

Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull is set to reject a renewed offer from Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern to take 150 refugees from Manus Island.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/98562366/malcolm-turnbull-set-to-reject-jacinda-arderns-manus-island-refugee-offer
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November 4, 2017 6:50pm
- GazzaW
  
  Turnbull said three days ago the he wasn’t going to accept Ardern’s offer. Why is she persisting if not to seriously embarass the Aussies?
  
  Of course the Aussies don’t want us to accept them. Two years in NZ and they’ll take out NZ citizenship and head off to Aussie. Mission accomplished.
  
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  November 4, 2017 7:33pm
  - nasska
    
    We are going to be indebted to the Australians, not for their love of NZ but for their foresight.
    
    A foresight totally lacking in our airhead Prime Minister who is unable to connect the breakdown of European society to the invasion of Islamic primitives.
    
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    November 4, 2017 7:47pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Good on Turnbull. It doesn’t matter if it is Aussie or NZ who encourages these economic refugees trying to settle in this part of the world, they will continue to try to come if given the green light. Aus will just become the stepping stone for them to make it to NZ instead.
    
    How many leaders of the world have Cindy and Winnie managed to piss off already after only a week in power!
    
    Wow!!
    
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    November 4, 2017 7:48pm
Monique Watson

wo sheep herders are flying the herd to a new farm. Suddenly, the engine fails and the plane begins to fall quickly to the ground.

SH1:Quick! Grab a parachute and jump!

SH2: What about the sheep?!?

SH1: Fuck the sheep!!!!

SH2: (pause) Do you think we have time?
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November 4, 2017 7:50pm
- Brito
  
  Now that is classy.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:41pm
nasska

Some people have sex with inflatable animals, something I really don’t understand. Presumably, a blowup doll is for men who can’t get a real woman.

How fucked are you if you can’t get a real sheep?
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November 4, 2017 8:25pm
- Inandout
  
  How baanal.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:31pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  And not just sheep. Hey – don’t have a cow man.
  
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  November 4, 2017 11:48pm
Fletch

The owner of the Chicago Cubs shuts down two websites he also owns after the employees say they are going to unionize.

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/11/03/chicago-cubs-owner-shuts-two-news-websites-union-threats/
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November 4, 2017 8:58pm
- cha
  
  He’s also deleted the archives of both sites.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:07pm
- Inandout
  
  Well he owns the businesses, takes any risks, and as such has complete power to do with them as he likes.
  
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  November 4, 2017 9:28pm
Left Right and Centre

oh yeah baby, just like that – that’s . . . that’s good – keep going . . . oooooooh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yes yes

SPLODGE
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