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Aliog

Just to keep WoO out for another day
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November 29, 2017 8:02am
holysheet

Mummies, mummies mummies, I need to know
What to do about Golritz
She is my metu 2
She is in the spot light
Some say she is right
Most say not
What am I to do
Clint is not answering my calls
That dumb cluck Hughes stuffed that up
The drunken dwarf is not answering my calls
Metu stuffed that up
Oh mummies I have no one to talk to
What am I to do
I really really really would like her to go
But the pardy would not like that
She is part of the sisterhood
I would if I could but I cannot so I will not.

Cindy needs us to be absoludly possativdly honest

Please mummies what am I to do.
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November 29, 2017 8:02am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hushabye baby
  You’ve just had a bad dream
  Go back to sleep
  It will all be better in the morning
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:06am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Yes, and the media will ignore esp Red Radio.
    
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    November 29, 2017 8:15am
    - sooty
      
      Has he got his nuts back?
      The frogs minus a nutless coleader as well.
      I’m picking it will not be Goldbrick!
      
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      November 29, 2017 8:31am
  - cmm
    
    It will all be better in 2020.
    
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    November 29, 2017 8:38am
    - Dave Mann
      
      No it won’t be better in 2020.
      
      The country will be totally fucked then economically as well as socially (as it is already now)…. and we’ll still have the most stupid electoral system in the democratic world, MMP.
      
      Sorry to burst your bubble, but we’re going down a long steep chaotic slide and it won’t be better in 2020. Venezuela was once the leading country in Latin America and it was rightly held up as a shining example, a beacon of success.
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:38am
      - cmm
        
        The ClusterParty can’t even count to 60. I don’t think they have enough skills to do too much damage in 3 years.
        
        Besides, the more they do, the longer the voters will remember. We might be shot of them for the whole of the 2020s.
        
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        November 29, 2017 11:05am
      - sooty
        
        Yep! Voting will be just like FPP again!
        Greens out on their ear.
        Whinney lost all his baubles and obliverated.
        Labour verses National!
        To hell with the rest!
        
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        November 29, 2017 1:02pm
      - suzieq
        
        And we need to find National a viable coalition partner or we’re at risk of having Labour-led governments forever.
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:53pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  More on the Greens’ war criminal hugger
  
  For someone who goes on about what a great human rights activist she is – she certainly has done a lot of work for people who have absolutely no regard for the human rights of their victims.
  
  WOBH has a post about even more evidence of what a sanctimonious hypocrite this creature is – she acted to try to prevent the extradition of accused Rwandan war criminals.
  
  It’s not a witch-hunt when the witch really is a witch or the accusations of dishonesty and hypocrisy are proven to be dishonesty and hypocrisy. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:47am
  - niggly
    
    Who’s next on the Greens List (should the dishonorable Golriz be forced to step down for the greater good of the Green Party …. once the MSM start kicking Shaw in the nuts) and will they be any better???
    
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    November 29, 2017 8:58am
    - KKKKatee
      
      Mojo Mathers is next on the list. Pretty tame compared to Gobby Golriz.
      At least it’s not airhead Hayley Holt so that’s something to be thankful for.
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:09am
      - pdm
        
        Surely they will bring a male forward because their gender balance is presently out of kilter with their rules at 5 female 2 male.
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:49am
      - howitis
        
        pdm.
        Actually it is 6 to 2 and that is counting Gareth Hughes and Cuck Shaw (certainly not cocksure) as ah hem.. ‘men’. If we are allowed!
        Let’s be generous and give the non females half a point each. After all they are evil ‘white men’ so don’t deserve much more.
        Score F:M 6:1
        
        After the treatment of Clendon and Graham a few months ago why would any real man step into this huddle of harridans.
        There are some really scary units there.
        Probably JAG is about the only ‘on the level’ person there although Gareth is cute in a boyish way. The beard from the $2 Shop is not fooling anyone.
        
        They are such a scary set now that Sue Bradford would look like a moderate.
        
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        November 29, 2017 10:25am
    - Muttonbird
      
      On the hit-list, you mean?
      
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      November 29, 2017 10:35am
    - Sir Cullen's Sidekick
      
      Gorillaman won’t quit. Moving on bro….
      
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      November 29, 2017 12:16pm
  - Dave Stringer
    
    Her fault is not in what she did, that was reasonable and just. The fault was in not being proud enough of her actions to stand up and shout them out. Instead she has, or endorsed by inaction the work of others to, portray her work as being prosecuting rather than defending the persons accused of crimes against humanity.
    
    Helping the judicial system to work effectively- big tick ✔️, being ashamed of that work, big fail ⚔️
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:50am
dubya

I see the insufferable know-it-all Andrew Geddis is out defending Golriz for her association with Simon ‘Hutu Horst Wessel’ Bikindi and other reprobates on Stuff this morning, what a surprise.
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November 29, 2017 8:03am
- oldpark
  
  Yes he is another import defending the indefensible.
  Wonder what is his back story on why he abandoned where he was born in Northern Ireland.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:40am
rangitoto

Poll:

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/shows/2017/11/poll-do-you-think-golriz-ghahraman-and-the-green-party-have-misled-the-public-about-her-past-role-as-a-human-rights-lawyer.html
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November 29, 2017 8:03am
- VicParking
  
  The city they lived in was 1800 km from the war so to “escape” she went with mommy and Daddy for a holiday in Fiji.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:34am
tom hunter

Considering may daughter’s reaction the last time I teased her about Millennials I’m afraid to show her this piece of satire – but you can all enjoy it instead:

A Millennial Job Interview.

“You said “eight” right? Like – eight…. in the morning?
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November 29, 2017 8:05am
- Brito
  
  Very, very funny!!!!
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:34am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  In NZ she’d get the job – straight on paid maternity leave then resign.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:38am
- tom hunter
  
  I also could not help thinking of a certain local politician when I watched this. 🙂
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:41am
  - jcuk
    
    I remember my delight when on changing jobs I had instead of 8.oo-4.35 the hours became 10-7pm.
    These days I am awake at 5 or 6am and could be at work no problem for 8 start.
    Glide hours is a sensible solution to the youth/old age change in body responses.
    Yes it is funny but sad the lack of understanding between age groups.
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:02am
oldpark

Seemed it was a good idea to tune into our new found type of tainted democracy in our Parliamentary debating chamber.
There was the low renter,looking like a faded rose,or was it poison ivy A guy called Peters ranting and raving about himself. “Here is me and who is like me’. Truth is he really is a clown all jokes are about him.
He has spent the last circa 40 years in his parliamentary life in a state of Confusion and Obsfucation.What an indictment. And also what a Legacy, who will care and who will listen.
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November 29, 2017 8:11am
hullkiwi

Another day in paradise & another day to see what the Coalition of the damned will bequeath NZ.
Last night I heard Chippie on RNZ at 18:55 on the programme the House, claiming the Paid Paternity (thinks he means Maternity) Bill has to come back to the House for tidying up.
What a disingenuous p***k. It needs tidying up for 2 reasons, being:
They forced it through the House under urgency, when they didn’t have to; and
2. They are trying to back pedal in order to save face (without accepting the National amendments) over the matter of shared mother/father maternity/paternity leave.
Just shows the level of duplicity we are getting from the CoL.
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November 29, 2017 8:13am
- cmm
  
  I actually wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a Paid Paternity Bill.
  
  Labour is dependent on single mothers, so paying blokes $1k a pop to knock up the girls makes sense.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:41am
  - hullkiwi
    
    The Rowling government came up with the Baby Bonus as an election promise in 1978. Copied from that bastion of democracy the old GDR (East Germany). So why not to your idea, just s**t on the rest of us a bit more.
    
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    November 29, 2017 8:53am
Sofia

What did the Solicitor General advise?

In the draft Statement of Claim filed on Monday, Peters seems to be challenging the legality of the past (and previous) governments’ “No Surprises” policy where civil servants were expected to brief ministers on politically controversial matters.
He calls “unlawful” the actions of Boyle, in telling two ministers about Peters’ super overpayment. – stuff

This makes much more crucial reports that –
Brendan Boyle [Head of the MSD] had consulted State Services Commissioner Peter Hughes, who in turn consulted Solicitor General Una Jagose, before Tolley and Bennett were told.

Reports that the Solicitor General was involved do not however confirm that she actually gave advice approving the action, or not.
Now that Winston questions the legality of the “No Surprises” policy, what was the Solicitor General Una Jagose’s advice on the matter of telling the two Ministers?

Considering that the actual incident was done and dusted history weeks before, the surprise indeed was that the Ministers were told at all.
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November 29, 2017 8:13am
- Happychappy
  
  Peters is a germ and for someone that uses Parliament to slander and demean others under Parliaments protection this is disgraceful.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:19am
  - G152
    
    But that’s all he has.
    No-one can sue him for slander or defamation if he says what he does in Parliament.
    What happens to his case if those claimed disclosures about him were within Parliament ?
    
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    November 29, 2017 8:34am
Paulus

Tweedle dum and Tweedle dee.
I took the time to watch the early part of Parliament yesterday and what was on offer was a farce.
It is obvious that Peters and Mallard have decided to play what they see as amusing games, with Shane the perv joining in with his comments.
It was obvious that Cinderella wished she wasn’t there. She kept a very low physical profile, as she did in opposition wishing that nobody could see her, and then like the Cheshire Cat jumped up and down trying to reflect Bill English’s quietly and respectfully put questions which she was reluctant to answer.
When she referred, and included the deputy Prime Minister Tweedle dum, he grinned at her inclusion like a demented rather unsober old man. Well it was after lunch and he obviously wished like Cinderella that “what the hell am I doing here”. I could have had that other whisky after all.
In answer to a correct question he gave his innocuous answer and when asked to answer the question he turned to Tweedle dee whose partisanship was obvious – two old mates supporting each other.
I never though that anybody could be more partisan than Margaret Wilson, but we now see that Tweedle dee has got the job he never thought he had, and was revelling in it like a recalcitrant schoolboy.
From that part that I saw this Parliament is going to be an ongoing disgrace to New Zealand.
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November 29, 2017 8:15am
- waikatogirl
  
  I watched the first couple of questions and answers but gave up with Mallard covering for his lefty mates. About 2 hours later I turned it on and Jamie Lee-Ross was tearing a strip off the CoL over all their flip flops. Absolutely hilarious.
  Good job National.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:22am
Inandout

Goldring is sure a good Green lawyer, and she just about convinced me she was a saint.
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November 29, 2017 8:16am
Paulus Gnome

Yesterday Sideswipe contained a picture of the Muriwai Golf Links deck, which was cordoned off unable to be used by members. A reader complained that the restriction was patronising to the golfers and wrongly pointed the finger at the Auckland Council, along with other inaccuracies. Muriwai Golf Links general manager Andrew Jackson advises that the deck is 45 years old, not 25 years, and 6m off the ground, not 2.4m. “It is in need of major repair, so we have decided to demolish and start again.” Sideswipe and the Herald apologise for publishing the misinformation.

‘Sideswipe and the Herald apologise for publishing the misinformation’

Has the Auckland chip wrapper turned a corner and is now going to apologise for publishing misinformation? Where will the advertising fit if this mea culpa moment catches on and they apologise for every piece of misinformation they print?.
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November 29, 2017 8:17am
- VicParking
  
  They will need to put out a special addition each day at 12 to apologise for the crap they print in the morning.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:42am
davidp

I saw a photo yesterday of Ghahraman standing next to James Shaw, grinning, and my first thought was to wonder who Shaw had murdered that they were so chummy.
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November 29, 2017 8:19am
- Ross12
  
  Shaw seems to have been very silent on the issue or have I missed it?
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:25am
  - hullkiwi
    
    He has made an utterance along the lines that even war criminals are entitled to have legal representation to ensure their defence. Which is actually not quite correct, and shows he doesn’t have even a basic understanding. As a defence lawyer (if she knows the person committed the crimes, & she is against what they did), she has every right to walk away, or merely ensure the defendant is able to put their case and rebut prosecution/evidence. But they do not need to defend the inexcusable.
    
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    November 29, 2017 8:41am
    - cmm
      
      While I agree that everyone is entitled to a fair trial, that does not wash with the Greenies.
      
      They are not interested in fair trials or due process and the rule of law.
      
      This is really going to taint Golriz’ (and Green’s) image of being champions for the most vulnerable.
      
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      November 29, 2017 8:46am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Ah, but that would have meant Ghahraman had to turn down a great UN gig. She is enamoured with the UN and all the wonders it achieves, and she has her eye on the prize, her amazing career. A little defending of a grisly individual can always be justified when it can lead to achieving your own personal goals, surely!
      
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      November 29, 2017 8:48am
    - Ross12
      
      Thanks hullkiwi.
      In her case she was volunteering, so all the legal ethics issues may not apply. It is not as if the guy asked her to represent him. She wasn’t employed by a legal firm that had been asked to represent him.
      Also I think waikatogirl is onto it –re UN.
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:07am
    - KKKKatee
      
      She seems pretty confident at the moment that James Shaw will stick by her. Almost like she’s ‘flipping the bird’ to anyone who dares to disagree with her behaviour.
      Gharhaman is a disgraceful piece of work.
      Let’s hope the pressure on this issue keeps mounting on Shaw so that he gets the message that he has to sack her, just like he did with Me Tu.
      Apparantly her boyfriend, Guy Williams, pokes his nose into this Blog and doesn’t like what people are saying.
      How unfortunate……
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:14am
      - Longknives
        
        “Apparently her boyfriend, Guy Williams, pokes his nose into this Blog and doesn’t like what people are saying.”
        
        Is that the Halfwit who wrote a piece on Stuff.co.nz demanding that Crusaders Rugby team to change their name?? (Offensive to Islam you see..)
        
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        November 29, 2017 11:07am
      - Jack5
        
        Guy Williams in the article on the Crusaders describes himself: ” I’m a straight white man of Catholic heritage.”
        
        For a comedian, the article’s not terribly funny, but maybe that’s down to me.
        
        Here it is:
        
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/95362569/guy-williams-do-the-crusaders-have-kiwi-sports-worst-name
        
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        November 29, 2017 2:49pm
- dime
  
  lol
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:13am
- hullkiwi
  
  What amazes me about this case is that it is like having a candidate for a job & their CV is full of porkies. It is called fraud and you don’t hire the candidate.
  
  What is the difference here? Her story as published and told doesn’t hold water, and we are meant to accept and trust her to act on the public’s behalf in the HoR.
  Yeah, right I need something stronger than a beer.
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:42am
- Maxx
  
  Just Shaw standing by a party member until such time as he is told by JA or H2 that it is in his interest to no longer stand by that person.
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:59am
tom hunter

My kind of America.

Not surprising that he’s a former US Marine.
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November 29, 2017 8:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

There’s a tweet by Phil Quinn published on comments on Pete George’s blog that reckons Golriz Gharaman wanted NZ to take in Rwandan war criminals as refugees.
https://yournz.org/2017/11/29/golriz-ghahraman-scrutiny-and-support-continues/
This can’t be for real, can it?
Phil Quin
@philquin
It’s clear nobody did oppo on @NZGreens list, prolly for good reason. It just would have distracted them from the civil war. @golrizghahraman wanted war crims who lied to get refugee status to stay in NZ & be spared a trial in Rwanda. Pre-election, this would hv made toast of her
4:28 AM – Nov 29, 2017
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November 29, 2017 8:23am
- waikatogirl
  
  Golriz Gharaman said on TV3 this morning that she has defended, in NZ, a Rwanda refugee that is being extradited after being accused of genocide…
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:33am
  - fernglas
    
    • Act as special counsel in refugee and extradition proceedings relating to accusations of genocide against a Rwandan national in New Zealand.
    
    That is from her LinkedIn profile. I’m not quite sure what a “special counsel” is. I’ve never heard the term in that context and I’ve been in the game for many years. However, a lot of the criticism fails to take into account that lawyers have an ethical obligation to represent whoever seeks their services, whether they agree with them or not, so I would not rush to judgment on this one until more is known.
    
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    November 29, 2017 8:44am
    - VicParking
      
      No problem with who she defends. What the problem is that she “Bull Shits” about what she is up to so not to upset the sanctimonious Greenee’s who get upset with everything and everybody who is not drinking Almond milk and saving stranded dolphins.
      
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      November 29, 2017 12:02pm
    - holysheet
      
      lawyers have an ethical obligation to represent whoever seeks their services,
      
      She was a volunteer. She most probably picked which case she wanted to help. I wonder if the selfie with the musical monster was taken before or after his conviction.
      
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      November 29, 2017 2:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @wg
    
    Thx
    here’s the clip
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/i-ve-been-so-open-golriz-ghahraman.html
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:39am
oldpark

The media are putting the boot into the Greenie Golriz Ghahraman about her association with Riwandian Terrorists. So they should.
They should also be doing the same with Peters. Peters has them spooked and virtually are running scared every time they have the courage to ask them about the “secret” agreement dealings with Labour and how he ambushed his Loyal over 65s Gold Card supporters.
By Peters own admission yesterday in Parliament he admitted that before the election he told National Party MPs they would spend a long time on Parliaments back benches.
The poor old age Pensioners were sucked in to vote for him. They expected that they would get the Super increase legislated for by National and approved and voted for by Peters Gang.
Now seem it was all a facade to get the trust and good will of his over 65s Gold Card voters. In a few months the deceit will be exposed when Peters Gang vetos the increase.
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November 29, 2017 8:23am
- Prince
  
  Not quite. You see the same $1000 of tax cut was also going to go to those evil rich bastards earning over $70K, so that was abhorrent.
  Instead, The Coalition will give $450 ($750 for couples) to each and every pensioner by way of a ‘Winter Warmer’ benefit, regardless of their income.
  So no tax cut for workers – just more state aid to pensioners.
  Classic Left wing policy to ensure as many as possible remain beholden to the Government.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:50am
  - oldpark
    
    That will be means tested . Not such a big deal. In fact has yet to be legislated for. Tax cuts were for the under $70,000. Check it out. All of the cuts and Super increases were legislated for and were to be enacted on April 1 2018.Peters Gang and Greenies voted for them. Lie-bour voted against them,at that time.Now Peters and Greenies do a flip flop.
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:17am
    - Prince
      
      Not means tested according to Labour’s election policy. Confirmed by this excellent article.
      https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/99155422/janine-starks-put-your-hand-out-for-your-free-money
      
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      November 29, 2017 10:18am
      - oldpark
        
        What about the tax cuts for wage earners up to $70,000 and super increases. Anything on the Lie-bour/Green /Peters/ CTU/ propaganda outlet ,on their cancellation. Thought not.Now that would make an excellent Stuff article. We live in hope.
        
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        November 29, 2017 10:27am
  - fernglas
    
    Why more for couples? Does it cost more to heat two people than one?
    
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    November 29, 2017 1:19pm
Simon

Princess looks burnt out. She must be hanging out for Christmas. Accountability looks like hard work for her.

Perhaps she could do some fluff like an overseas trip for the next 4 weeks.

Who will be really be running NZ next year? Robertson? Princess looks mentally finished and its going to get worse.
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November 29, 2017 8:24am
- cmm
  
  Shit you mean there’s more to this job than selfies?
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:48am
  - KKKKatee
    
    Yes. It’s called ‘accountability’. The buck stops with her and by the looks of things, she doesn’t like it.
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:18am
  - kevn
    
    cmm… don’t forget the school visits as well. Selfie paradise for all the kids (JA included) “see, they all love me”.
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:59am
  - hullkiwi
    
    & spinning tales about world leaders you bump into at international summits.
    
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    November 29, 2017 11:34am
- dime
  
  her mental health made her regin from being labours deputy leader, she will be finding this new job reasonably tough.
  
  maybe we end up with a 500k a year PM on stress leave.. which will then enable us all tohave a discussion about mental health and how it can affect ordinary kiwis, mums and families.
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:16am
  - waikatogirl
    
    If people would just stop asking me to justify MY DECISIONS! //
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:47am
    - Maxx
      
      Has anyone made sure she has enough toys in her cot for her to throw them out?
      
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      November 29, 2017 10:03am
sooty

The wheels of the bus go,
round and round, round and round’
till they hit a goldbrick and fell off,
Will she bring down the Coalition of Fools?
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November 29, 2017 8:26am
- Maxx
  
  It’ll take more than one to bring down the CoL but it is heartening to see that they are all contributing hard towards it.
  
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  November 29, 2017 10:04am
cmm

Remorseful burglar has $10k of fines wiped.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11948800

He still got 2 years and 4 months sentence. I suppose he’ll serve a year tops…
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November 29, 2017 8:33am
- backster
  
  Maybe only 8 months less any time served on remand. I think the judge gives him a little over two years because less than 2 years the minimum would be half(a year)
  
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  November 29, 2017 10:50am
oldpark

Peters was asked in Parliament yesterday about the 38 page secret mafia type agreement with his “selected “tainted” Labour Government.
Peters quoted the Ten Commanments as a way to deny what was in the secret Agreement,to escape more embarrassing questions by Paula Bennett.
Maybe Peters should have realised that the eleventh Commandment is “Thou Shall Not Be Found Out.”
By his refusal and his Obsfucation on the Secret Agreement with his selected running mate.,he has hammered another blow against the type of Democracy and Natural Justice NZs expect,and are subsequently being denied.
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November 29, 2017 8:36am
- Maxx
  
  For his next trick, he is going to part the Red Parliament.
  
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  November 29, 2017 10:11am
Manolo

A clear demonstration of love towards the MSM:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/trumps-thanksgiving-media-tear/article/2641823
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November 29, 2017 8:37am
tom hunter

Quitting Congress:
– John Conyers (D-MI)
– Rep Luis Gutierrez (D-IL)
– Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-AZ)

Sheesh. The Democrats are starting to fall like nine pins. Who would have guessed that the party loudly talking about The War On Women and the low qualities of The Deplorables – were such pieces of shit themselves?

This is my shocked face.

A special shoutout for Gutierrez as my fave POS from my time in Chicago: never met a piece of race-baiting he could resist and multiple re-elections to prove its success. Wonder who will pick up the amnesty cudgel now?
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November 29, 2017 8:39am
- All_on_Red
  
  The State Dept has lost 100 people this year too.
  Tillerson is doing a great job in cleaning that mess out
  #DrainTheSwamp
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:12am
sooty

Monday, ztev came back to haunt us. He was acting like a complete arsehole. He must have been retrained by labour.
Tuesday, ztev was on the back foot trying to spin bullshit into gold.
Wednesday, ztrev is basically admitting, hay labour has a problem here. The bullshit is piling up further than he can throw it.
The wheels on the bus are falling off.
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November 29, 2017 8:45am
- Lance
  
  Please tell me he has been banned again
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:54am
- hullkiwi
  
  I see even muttonhead has made an appearance too after a retraining break.
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:37am
Sofia

From the Guardian, UK, what Golriz Ghahraman says internationally –

Greens MP Golriz Ghahraman, herself a former refugee and human rights lawyer for the UN, said Australia appeared to be “stalling” over making a decision regarding the Manus refugees and was using “delay tactics” to wait for media attention to subside so the men could be forcibly removed from the facility. She joined calls for New Zealand to take the men.

“The indication from the Mangere Refugee Centre [in Auckland] is that they can take 150 to 194 in an ordinary intake, and they can take 250 with bunking. So they can take 250, we have the resources for that.”
Australian NGOs had offered to fly to New Zealand and provide “wraparound” services for Manus Island refugees, said Ghahraman, if New Zealand took the full 600.

Gharaman said to the best of her knowledge the government was currently negotiating only with Australia, although the NZ Herald reported seeing foreign affairs minister Winston Peters holding private talks with the Papua New Guinea prime minister, Peter O’Neill, at the Apec summit.

“The best option obviously would be if Australia stops selling off its human rights obligations in the Pacific, closed the camps and just processed these people as refugees, as it has an obligation to do,” said Gharaman.
– the Guardian, UK, November 14

Meanwhile, as leaked Australian security sources indicate, some Manus Island refugees have sexually violated young local girls, evidenced by pregnancies and disease spread, but not individual complaints that identify perpetrators, so no documentation of sex crimes exists to be helpful for screening of individuals by any would-be accepting country.

Would Greens MP Golriz Ghahraman have any suggestions on that particular security matter, having already inquired into more important things like how many people Mangere Refugee Centre can handle, if the Manus Island people jump the queue.
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November 29, 2017 8:50am
- Morrissey
  
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  You quote “leaked Australian reports” (i.e. Australian government smears) to the Murdoch media (i.e. the de facto state media) as if they have some credibility.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:54am
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Contra Quin: Ghahraman still did nothing wrong

Professor Andrew Geddis elegantly demolishes a National Party stooge’s inept attempt to smear a young woman….

https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/contra-quin-ghahraman-still-did-nothing-wrong
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November 29, 2017 8:51am
- cmm
  
  She did nothing wrong in acting as part of the legal defense team for the war criminals.
  
  What she did do wrong was presenting that she worked on the prosecution and is thus some champion for the vulnerable.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:55am
  - Lance
    
    Not to mention smiling photos with the perps
    
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    November 29, 2017 8:56am
    - cmm
      
      Even smiling next to a criminal you’re defending is not too bad in itself.
      
      However splattering that all over facebook while trying to present yourself as a moral crusader for the victims of genocide etc shows supreme levels of stupidity.
      
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      November 29, 2017 8:59am
      - fernglas
        
        As a defence counsel you do NOT have photo’s with your client.
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:04am
      - softail 1450
        
        CMM ,I’m sure if she was standing next to the butcher that had killed your entire family with a machete CMM ,you would probably think that was not to great either ,would you?
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:20am
      - cmm
        
        Sure it shows lack of judgment to have a smiling picture taken next to a war crim.
        
        https://thespinoff.scdn5.secure.raxcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Golriz-bikindi.jpg
        
        That looks like a teenager fan posing next to her favourite pop star!
        
        Really hard to do that and then say you’re actually a hero for the victims.
        
        softail: Perhaps it is because my father was a lawyer, but I can draw a distinction between providing legal services to someone and actually being a fan of that person. Many people struggle to draw that distinction.
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:35am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Is the Green Party and parliament a better gig than the UN, since she was already part of that machine, or did they not want her anymore?
        
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        November 29, 2017 10:53am
    - Morrissey
      
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      Good people often have their photos taken with the most brutal criminals….
      
      http://static.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/styles/half/public/2017/04/05/562799-dalai-lama.jpg?itok=H0W3VgoH
      
      http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140221111759-02-dalai-lama-and-presidents-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg
      
      http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/140221125440-11-dalai-lama-and-presidents-restricted-story-top.jpg
      
      http://tibetmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/meeting_with_world_leaders35.jpg
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:05am
      - cmm
        
        Yup, you’d think the Dalai Lama would have more sense than that.
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:46am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Keep it up Morris dancer, make yourself look like an even bigger twat.
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:51am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Geddis leans so far to the Left that a slight puff of wind would knock him over. I would be more surprised if he was NOT defending Ghahraman.
  
  Phil Quin has spent many years in Rwanda and, of course, is a former Labour Party staffer and activist. On this issue, I prefer his version of events.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:56am
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    KS.
    Geddis makes some fair points but totally (and willfully) ignores the main issue here and that is of honesty.
    The newbie MP lied by omission and allowed others to lie on her behalf at the very least by not correcting things that had been published.
    Her bio is a very carefully crafted document full of half truths and weasel words. It really suits her and her chosen political party.
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:08am
- niggly
  
  Nothing to do with National ol’ chap.
  
  This all came from a former Labour staffer (who would be as much as aghast as you would be to be a National “stooge”).
  
  So no need to smear those on the Left that have a conscious and morals my friend.
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:06am
  - Morrissey
    
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    Phil Quin has no conscience and, as we can see from this ridiculous attempt to libel Golriz Ghahraman, zero judgement. He’s bitter because he was told a couple of years ago that he lacked the wherewithal to contribute to Labour’s policy team. He’s a National Party stooge, if ever there was one.
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:13am
    - Kimbo
      
      …and no one does “denouncing traitors to maintain ideological purity” like you guys, eh? 😉
      
      “Judean Peoples Front??!”
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:20am
    - softail 1450
      
      moronissey ,and once again you are a lying turd .
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:23am
    - tom hunter
      
      Splitters! SPLITTERS!
      
      This is why anarchists can’t have nice things.
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:28am
    - treadingthemill
      
      Phil Quin has no conscience
      
      I think his concerns about her display a conscience. Now that it appears she also acted on behalf of possible mass murders here in New Zealand, this is something anyone with a conscience would be concerned about.
      
      He’s bitter because he was told a couple of years ago that he lacked the wherewithal to contribute to Labour’s policy team.
      
      That’s not a valid argument. It’s a “look over there, a squirrel!” argument. The issue is whether or not there is a reasonable case to be concerned about Ghahraman’s version of human rights, and whether the Green Party was less than upfront in the way they presented her prior to the election.
      
      You’re treating this as a political right/left partisan issue. So are some other people here on the opposing side of this. But that is not the way an issue like this should be approached.
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:37am
      - starboard
        
        You write very well for a *snigger*…’bricklayer’ mm.
        You must think we are stupid.
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:59am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Well David Garrett said my grammar was bad, so…
        
        But the fact that you think someone who was a bricklayer (and a painter for about ten years) would be uneducated and unable to write or think well is a fascinating display of uninformed bigotry. As far as the mm guy goes someone explained to me yesterday that he was a very partisan leftist so wouldn’t he more likely be taking Morrissey’s side? And he also apparently used cutting snark a lot, which I don’t, except very rarely. Tell me something, did mm ever vote for National? Was he a Pagan with a demonstrable knowledge of Pagan beliefs? Did he live in a rural area on a small farm? Was he a grandfather?
        
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        November 29, 2017 10:11am
      - starboard
        
        Keep digging mm..
        
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        November 29, 2017 10:19am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @tdm
        As far as the mm guy goes someone explained to me yesterday that he was a very partisan leftist so wouldn’t he more likely be taking Morrissey’s side? And he also apparently used cutting snark a lot, which I don’t, except very rarely. Tell me something, did mm ever vote for National? Was he a Pagan with a demonstrable knowledge of Pagan beliefs? Did he live in a rural area on a small farm? Was he a grandfather?
        
        Questions, questions, questions…
        I don’t think they are the give-away clues
        
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        November 29, 2017 10:37am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Treading you believe the tribal righties on here about political direction?
        MM is a atheist swing voter .
        He is intelligent enough to vote on policy rather than tribal allegiance.
        Why they think you are him?
        Because you have an iQ above luke warm ,disagree with some of the more one eyed dribbling and point out bullshit.
        
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        November 29, 2017 10:40am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Treading you believe the tribal righties on here about political direction?
        
        Not as a rule, but some people sound more reasonable than others, and it sounded reasonable.
        
        MM is a atheist swing voter .
        
        Ok, so we have one thing in common, being a swing voter.
        
        Why they think you are him?
        Because you have an iQ above luke warm ,disagree with some of the more one eyed dribbling and point out bullshit.
        
        Yeah, that’s what I figured. I expect that from people like starboard, who thinks in small and rigid categories, and put’s everyone into tiny little boxes with big flashing labels because anything more complex strains his intellect. I expected better from Maggy, but I guess I was wrong. Not that I care about it, quite the contrary, I find it a fascinating example of how rigid political partisanship and extremism makes people paranoid, prone to hysteria, and a little bit stupid.
        
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        November 29, 2017 11:10am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmOj2dOTUEk
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:30pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Or the Green MP’s who actually stood for the environment.
    
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    November 29, 2017 10:55am
Prince

Hasn’t rained in Wellington for weeks.
Water restrictions about to be enforced.
But up the road, in Kapiti, which typically has fewer water resources, warmer temperatures, bigger gardens, have no problem.
The reason ? Kapiti residents pay for their water (and rates were reduced to compensate).
Since water meters were installed, water usage has reduced by over 20%, despite rapid population increase.
As Prince has his country residence on the coast, and retires there over summer to tend his orchards, he railed at the ‘pay for water’ policy when introduced, but it has proven results.
Capitalism at its best.
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November 29, 2017 8:55am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Since 8th November, when we had around 15mm of rain in a day, Whanganui has only received 1.4mm. Things are starting to get rather dry, but at least in the last week or so the wind has subsided..
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:05am
- Kimbo
  
  Hasn’t rained in Wellington for weeks.
  
  Well, with a cricket test scheduled to start at the Basin Reserve this Friday, that’s a sure guarantee courtesy of Murphy’s law that you can expect 5 days of torrential downpour! 😉
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:21am
  - Colville
    
    A double whammy then…
    I am helicoptering into the hills on Sunday so that means the Gods will send the rain!
    
    here sika sika sika….. come to daddy….. 🙂
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:37am
    - softail 1450
      
      Colville,tika,tika,tika, good luck.
      
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      November 29, 2017 11:30am
      - Colville
        
        .223 tikka will be in hand…
        
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        November 29, 2017 6:14pm
  - Prince
    
    Not so sure.
    When is the last time Wgton test had a day rained off.
    And a test ? 197x vs Aus, 3 days rain.
    Memorable for John Morrison being terrorised by Jeff Thompson despite there being no chance of a result.
    80 minutes of hell for JFM. Amusement for the spectator(s).
    
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    November 29, 2017 10:22am
    - Kimbo
      
      1982. Was also Martin Crowe’s last debut and Lillee and Thommo worked him over too! So severe was the treatment, they dropped Crowe next summer (for his brother) and it took him some 2 years to cement his place in the team.
      
      From memory 1986 against Aussie at the Basin Reserve was hit by rain, 1988 against England. But yeah, the high wind in Wellington usually kicks any rain along. Always need an opening and/or stock bowler who can run into the wind all day! 😉
      
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      November 29, 2017 10:29am
      - Prince
        
        Looking forward to it. My money’s on the Windies. They won a test in England recently, have a useful batting lineup. Blackcaps look vulnerable. So long as temperature stay over 16c, the Windies will surprise many.
        
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        November 29, 2017 10:36am
      - Kimbo
        
        Typo: ~~last~~ test debut
        
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        November 29, 2017 10:41am
    - Longknives
      
      To be fair- I admire Mystery being able to last 80 minutes against Thommo in those days!
      I’ve faced 140 kph bowlers in Club and Rep Cricket (Younger Days) and that was awfully bloody quick.
      Thommo was 160 kph plus…
      
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      November 29, 2017 11:14am
      - Kimbo
        
        Spiro Zavos once wrote about facing the great Freddie Trueman at the Basin during the Yorkshireman’s pomp. He was outclassed (no shame in that)! 😉
        
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        November 29, 2017 11:17am
      - Prince
        
        Agree. I think JFM would have preferred to nick off early tho.
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:34pm
Hugh Pavletich

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NEW ZEALANDERS AND AUSTRALIANS FED UP WITH POLITICALLY INDUCED HOUSING INFLATION

NEW ZEALAND Property Institute / Curia Poll: Strong support for New Governments policies – Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91121/most-people-think-house-prices-will-decline-or-stay-same-over-next-6-months-and-new

The new government’s housing policies are proving popular with the public, according to a Property Institute survey … read more via hyperlink above …

… Behind paywall … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/

Many Aussie home owners now want prices to fall … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia

By Leith van Onselen In the lead-up to the New Zealand General Election on 23 September, which delivered a change of government, opinion poll after opinion poll ranked housing as the key issue that would decide the election. With Sydney and Melbourne housing costs at extreme levels: And home ownership rates collapsing across … (behind paywall) … read more via hyperlink above …

… Behind paywall … http://www.theaustralian.com.au/

Many homeowners want house prices to fall, says survey … The Australian

Three quarters of non-owners who want prices to fall say it would … investment bank UBS declared Australia’s housing boom “officially” over. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Extensive background information … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  The latest RBNZ survey of house price expectations brings a sharp dive in those seeing gains in the future. In fact capital gains may have vanished; the risk is now to the downside | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90954/latest-rbnz-survey-house-price-expectations-brings-sharp-dive-those-seeing-gains-future
  
  Each quarter, the RBNZ conducts a survey of household expectations.
  
  (Well, actually they take data from the UMR Research “nation-wide telephone omnibus survey”.)
  
  The questions the Reserve Bank is interested in relate to consumer price inflation and also house price inflation. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:12am
- All_on_Red
  
  Interesting commentary here. Lots of scepticism about Labour and Twyford ability to deliver on their hyperbolic promises.
  https://croakingcassandra.com/2017/11/28/housing-policy-and-prospects/
  
  I see Twyford is already backtracking on a few things.
  One of which is he admits they won’t be able to do Houses or Apartments for $500k!
  Told you so.
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:20am
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    Did Twitford not check the cost of building even a basic dwelling, oh and did he forget to factor in the expensive earth under the building?!
    
    Super Twit strikes again. ?
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:54am
  - Harkman
    
    Again, Phil Twyford is New Zealand’s biggest liar.
    
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    November 29, 2017 10:42am
- starboard
  
  STOP YELLING YOU SILLY OLD FOOL
  
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  November 29, 2017 10:00am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Delivering KiwiBuild with community housing sector partners | Scoop News
    
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1711/S00329/delivering-kiwibuild-with-community-housing-sector-partners.htm
    
    Delivering KiwiBuild with community housing sector partners
    
    Community housing providers are committed to make the changes necessary in their organisations to be able to deliver their part of 1000 homes a year of social and affordable housing as part of the Government’s KiwiBuild target.
    
    Leaders from 17 different organisations representing social, affordable and emergency housing, met to confirm their commitments to innovative change to meet these targets.
    
    Convened by Community Housing Aotearoa, the Getting Ready Project was facilitated by Leonie Freeman, Housing Strategist, with Kay Saville-Smith from CRESA as the ‘critical friend’ on research evidence. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    November 29, 2017 12:12pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Meet NZ’s newest housing idiot – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/meet-nzs-newest-housing-idiot/
      
      Apparently Auckland’s housing market is no longer in “crisis”, according to the National opposition’s housing spokesman, Michael Woodhouse: … read more via hyperlink above …
      .
      .
      No magic bullet for housing but better renting, more stock may help | Stuff.co.nz
      
      https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/99320015/no-magic-bullet-for-housing-but-better-renting-more-stock-may-help
      
      … concluding …
      
      … “I don’t know the detail of what the minister is planning but I do know before the election the Greens, New Zealand First and Labour, all had similar polices around housing and all were similar to what we had in Generation Rent.”
      
      No one should expect a magic solution, he said. Any change would take time.
      
      “It’s taken decades to get where we are. It’s still top think it can be resolved quickly.”
      
      The argument that because the housing market had cooled there was no need for action – National’s housing spokesman Michael Woodhouse said this week flatlining property prices in Auckland proved there was no crisis – was the “most disingenuous thing I’ve ever heard”, Eaqub said.
      
      “This has built for decades. It’s not about one political party or another. They’ve all been useless.”
      
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      November 29, 2017 12:34pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Mike Hosking: Labour already all mouth, no action on building houses – NZ Herald
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11949333
        
        Here, in a nutshell, is an example of why Labour is struggling to get going in office.
        
        You can start to list the stuff that was promised but isn’t happening. From trees, to mines, to tax collection from corporate. But housing, in a single example, sums them up.
        
        They’re a party, now Government, of yak not action.
        
        Phil Twyford was one of the party’s best operators in opposition. He had housing and he milked it for all it was worth. He had Nick Smith, the minister, against the ropes. He built up a case against the government’s handling of the so-called housing crisis with headline after headline of woe, misery and disaster. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 29, 2017 1:12pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Homes still not being built as fast as they were pre-crisis … Stuff / Fairfax NZ
        
        https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99353561/homes-still-not-being-built-as-fast-as-they-were-precrisis
        
        New Government data shows the home-building rate is yet to reach it’s early-2000s peak.
        
        The rate compares population with residential building consents. In a 2004 peak 33,251 new residential buildings were consented, compared to a population of just over four million – creating a build rate of 0.81 per cent.
        
        In the 2017 year to June 30,453 buildings were consented compared to a population of almost 4.8 million, leaving a build rate of 0.64 percent. This was well up on the 2009 low of 0.23 per cent but growth had begun to level off. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:46pm
Albert_Ross

I see the PM has undertaken that

Government will be releasing the Cabinet paper on the change-negotiating mandate for the Trans-Pacific Partnership, to ensure greater transparency for New Zealanders around that deal

It would be interesting to know what the trade negotiators have advised about that. Transparency as to a negotiating mandate strikes me as a pretty terrible approach to a negotiation.

Surely all it will mean is that what NZ intends to be its absolute bottom line, only if its opening bid really can’t be sustained, will now become the starting point for the other parties.
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November 29, 2017 9:03am
- Rachael Membery
  
  But won’t do the same for the full unsanitised coalition agreement.
  
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  November 29, 2017 10:58am
cmm

LVR restrictions being eased….

Grant “Charge It” Robertson was on Red Radio yesterday saying how great this would be – making it easier for first time buyers.

He does not seem to understand the huge risks involved and where the 2007/8 GFC came from.

If people take out 100% loans and can only just afford the payments, then what’s going to happen if the mortgage rates go up (as they’ve already said they expect to see).

Nor is it a good thing if people take out 100% loans and the house prices drop 10%. People will be upside down and have larger mortgage payments. Lose, lose!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/99346229/reserve-bank-says-it-will-ease-lending-restrictions-in-2018
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November 29, 2017 9:14am
- All_on_Red
  
  Just because the Reserve Bank does that doesn’t mean the Banks will actually do it.
  There’s is a hell of a lot of property under construction.
  My feeling is that Banks are going to be prudent and conservative about lending until most of those are completed and paid for.
  They will want to see where values settle when that occurs.
  This caution will continue to put a handbrake on property values.
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:25am
- KevOB
  
  Why they just make 120% LVR with 150yr terms at 0.1%. Everyone could have a house but nothing else.
  
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  November 29, 2017 10:03am
Keeping Stock

A heads-up; Phil Quin will be on Newstalk ZB Christchurch with Chris Lynch at 9.30am – you can listen online here – https://www.iheart.com/live/newstalk-zb-christchurch-6189/
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November 29, 2017 9:17am
Rodney Randall

Duncan Garner “What about your own Green party. It wasn’t on your website?”

“I hadn’t even looked at that I don’t think” Golriz

What a joke
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November 29, 2017 9:22am
- All_on_Red
  
  Someone not approving their own bio is just not credible.
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:28am
- Rodney Randall
  
  “I don’t think”
  
  Yeah I gathered that.
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:32am
  - Kimbo
    
    Is also a good legalism to cover your arse.
    
    “I don’t remember/recall” is non-falsifiable.
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:34am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Except we can see through the BS a mile away!
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:56am
      - Kimbo
        
        First rule of lawyering…it’s not what you can see through, it’s what the rules allow you to get away with! 😉
        
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        November 29, 2017 10:08am
doggone7

“The NZ Herald has found – after three years of refusals and information going missing – that the former Prime Minister’s version of events doesn’t match that of documents created at the time.

Does anyone know what that all means?
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November 29, 2017 9:22am
- doggone7
  
  It means that mentioning the thought of John Key lying will invite downticks it seems!
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:08am
Inandout

Golriz Gharhaman spends much time explaining she follows the Nuremberg Trials principles by acting as a defence lawyer to killers.
Most Nuremberg defence lawyers were German and employed about 70 ‘researchers’ in an attempt to defend the indefensible; most Nazis were put to death. I wonder how many killers Golriz got off in her career to date?
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November 29, 2017 9:26am
- Kimbo
  
  Most Nuremberg defence lawyers were German and employed about 70 ‘researchers’ in an attempt to defend the indefensible; most Nazis were put to death. I wonder how many killers Golriz got off in her career to date?
  
  At Nuremberg? All the defense lawyers were German, but no, the majority of the 22 who were present in the dock when the verdicts were delivered (i.e, without Bormann tried in abstentia, and Ley who committed suicide during the trial) only 11 (including Goering who cheated the hang man’s noose by a few minutes via suicide) were executed.
  
  Some, such as von Papen and Schacht were even acquitted. Admiral Doenitz was arguably incorrectly convicted (Royal Navy officers tried to argue that his “don’t pick up enemy survivors” order to his U Boats was justified according to how the war was fought, especially the incident which precipitated it – an American bomber had attacked a U boat doing precisely that in 1942). And if Saukel swung, so too should have his boss, Albert Speer. But Speer went the “fully repentant” route. Oh, yes, and Jodl probably didn’t deserve to hang. That’s the opinion of Airey Neave who served the indictments and was subconded to assist the accused find lawyers among the German community.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials
  
  I don’t have a problem with Gharhaman doing this work – everyone needs an adequate legal defense and she was upholding the system, and it may have been unlikely, using your method of measure, that there was sufficient Rwandan legal talent to do so. The issue is the Greens massaging the truth…
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:48am
  - Kimbo
    
    …and to clarify, Doenitz, and his predecessor Admiral Raeder were both imprisoned, not executed. Doenitz for 10 years, Raeder for life.
    
    Arguably also Hess was insane, but as the Soviets were convinced that his crazy flight to Britain in May 1941 was to make a peace with Churchill so the nazis could invade the USSR unencumbered, they never allowed him to be released from Spandau Prison where he rotted away for over 40 years.
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:57am
  - dime
    
    “Goering who cheated the hang man’s noose by a few minutes via suicide”
    
    such a bummer
    
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    November 29, 2017 10:06am
    - Kimbo
      
      Goering, once he was in prison and off the drugs and losing weight on a meagre prison diet did a good job of conducting his defence, including making a fool of the American prosecutor, Jackson during cross-examination.
      
      And I posted it yesterday, but again for EAD (who has quoted him and Der Stürmer lately), among the last words of Julius Streicher as they dragged him struggling to the gallows:
      
      “Purimfest 1946!”
      
      …and (to the hang man) “The Bolsheviks will hang you one day!!” A Nazi to the very end! 😉 At least guys like Ribbentrop, Frank and Keitel faced death with dignity and courage and used the time of their trial and -pre-sentence solitude to face up to the enormity of their crimes and express repentance.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher
      
      As Streicher struggled so much he likely altered the position of the noose around his neck. As David Garrett has explained on Kiwiblog before, and as per master British hangman Albert Pierrepoint, it has to be on the correct side of the head so the neck is snapped back and the spinal cord severed at the end of the drop
      
      …and instead Streicher likely strangled to death slowly at the end of the rope. Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving guy! 😉
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Streicher
      
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      November 29, 2017 10:16am
  - Inandout
    
    I must have misread wiki:
    
    ‘The vast majority of the defense attorneys were German lawyers.’
    
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    November 29, 2017 11:08am
    - Kimbo
      
      Hmm. The source is
      
      Davidson, Eugene (1997) [1966]. The Trial of the Germans: An Account of the Twenty-Two Defendants Before the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg. Columbia, MO: University of Missouri Press. ISBN 978-0-8262-1139-2.
      
      Worth maybe checking out. The problem for the defendants was getting a lawyer who was familiar and capable with the system of justice as it was going to be administered at Nuremberg. As the Nazis had…mismanaged (euphemism!) the justice system, the idea of a “fair trial” was foreign to them, let alone how it would work in practice. For instance, many of the accused thought that when the indictment was served it was a death warrant.
      
      Mind you the Soviets had to be placated when it was explained to them that if a proper trial was conducted there was the possibility some may be acquitted! 😉 Like the Nazis, Stalin had been specialising in show trials for some time. 😉
      
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      November 29, 2017 11:58am
Surely Knott

Isaac Davidson the Herald Jan 2017, “The 35-year-old has since built up an impressive CV as a human rights lawyer in New Zealand and overseas. She worked as a prosecutor at United Nations tribunals for Rwanda and the former Yugoslavia, where heads of state were on trial for mass atrocities.”
Ah yeah, no not a human rights lawyer (which implies giving your time to victims of human rights crimes often at the lawyers cost) and not a prosecutor. Where did Isaac get the info that she was a prosecutor. Did he read and interpret the green party bio as she was prosecuting and standing up for the victims. I certainly did.
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November 29, 2017 9:39am
- Bullion
  
  She was a prosectutor:
  
  Assistant Prosecutor- Extraordinary Chambers in the Courts of Cambodia
  United Nations Assistance Mission to the Khmer Rouge Tribunal
  Dates Employed Mar 2011 – Sep 2012 Employment Duration 1 yr 7 mos
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:06am
  - Surely Knott
    
    My understanding is she was not a prosecutor in Rwanda and the Former Yugoslavia prosecuting the heads of state as the article suggests. She was defence to the Butcher of Bosnia, and defence in Rwanda for the war criminals.. So this herald article seems to be wrong.
    
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    November 29, 2017 12:01pm
trout

It is that time of the year again. If you are looking for a high quality gift idea this is my solution. http://www.manawahoney.co.nz.
And we get to help a community working hard to help themselves.
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November 29, 2017 9:41am
Dave Stringer

I’m genuinely puzzled after listening to a reporter complain about mis-pronunciation of Maori words. Te Reo was an unwritten language until the Brits arrived and started writing it down phonetically. How would those first documenters know that some words contained a ‘silent G’ such as in Ngaio? Why would they write “Tau” rather than “Toe”, or “po” rather than “paw” when writing the name of the great lake?
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November 29, 2017 9:41am
- kowtow
  
  ‘The whole business has become surreal. One morning, for example, a couple of Maori snowflakes were banging on about the terrible grief they were suffering from the mispronunciation of their names. Not only were they themselves being insulted by this, but so were their ancestors, the whole tribal boiling of them, right back to the first canoe.’
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/haere-mai-everything-far-ka-pai
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:51am
- cmm
  
  That is quite likely true for some sounds, eg. Tau and po, but quite likely not true for the Ng bit.
  
  There are many sounds that cannot be pronounced using straight English phonetics because the sounds do not exist in English. In those cases special letter groups need to be constructed to represent those sounds.
  
  For example, isiZulu -like Maori – was first written by the Brits. isiZulu has a hissing sound that you make by holding your tongue to the roof of your mouth and blowing air through your cheeks, then followed by the “l” sound. This is given the letter group “hl”, hence words like Hluhluwe (a place), umhlophe (white).
  
  Similarly in Maori we have ng, wh and other special letter groups.
  
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  November 29, 2017 10:09am
  - Digmen1
    
    I agree, even English, especially English, has many words which are pronounced differently to what they look like they are spelled.
    
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    November 29, 2017 10:15am
- cmm
  
  Anything to make the white man feel guilty.
  
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  November 29, 2017 10:11am
  - sam green
    
    Stop whinging ffs.
    
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    November 29, 2017 2:33pm
- Notsofast
  
  Marsden in 1824, Williams in 1842 are the authoritative texts. Toepaw for Taupo is definitively a hoax, an ugly one, as is Koeree for Kauri. This is a linguistic disgrace, and offensive to old timers.
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:34am
  - KevOB
    
    “AU” has two vowels in Polynesian which they are very fussy about each being pronounced properly. If you run ar together quickly with oo it come out to our ears something like ow. In “OE” the “o” is a cross between ough and aw the “e” comes out sometimes like ee so the whole can be either oi or ough-eigh–depends on context: tenakoe or moe. The “e” at the end of tenakoe is a separate item.
    The NG is throughout Polynesia too. Sometimes it just spelt as G other times as N then context is applied. The nasal ng is like a trucated ning without the mouth open.
    
    Spend a few months in the Pacific learning the language and you get the hang of it. There are different sets of consonants depending on country and they are never used without a vowel either side. There is also the glottal stop; sometimes marked but frequently a character is dropped in as in whaka, f’a’a or faa.
    
    The recent push on radio and TV is only pidgenising language which should have been pigeonholed.
    
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    November 29, 2017 1:31pm
- chiz
  
  The G in Ngaio isn’t silent. In English the “ng” sound only occurs at the end of syllables but in Maori it occurs at the start of syllables. English speakers aren’t used to it that position and often struggle with it and end up replacing it with the “n” sound.
  
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  November 29, 2017 12:01pm
treadingthemill

Good.

‘Government tightens rules around sale of farmland to foreigners’

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/government-tightens-rules-around-sale-farmland-foreigners
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November 29, 2017 9:58am
- ex-golfer
  
  Not good.
  Personal property rights being attacked again.
  This will remove the right of property owners to sell to whoever they like.
  Another step on the downward slope to communism.
  
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  November 29, 2017 6:41pm
ztev

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John Key, mass surveillance and what really happened when Edward Snowden accused him of spying

The NZ Herald has found – after three years of refusals and information going missing – that the former Prime Minister’s[KEY] version of events doesn’t match that of documents created at the time.

Version of events ? he told us all a stinking bag of lies is what it means
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11948852
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November 29, 2017 10:05am
- dime
  
  lol
  
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  November 29, 2017 10:08am
- Lance
  
  Damn right ztev
  Key should resign from parliament
  
  You’re onto it
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:02am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Ztev: If Snowden’s leaks directly led to the deaths of US servicemen or operatives does that make him an accessory to murder?
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:22am
- rangitoto
  
  Russian spy accuses JK of spying LOL. Have you been reading RT?
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:30am
Digmen1

I’d rather see Maori snowflakes concentrate on getting all of their people properly educated and able to speak and write correct English and get jobs and stop robbing and bashing the rest if us. FIRST.

And its New Zealand.
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November 29, 2017 10:12am
- Digmen1
  
  oops “of us”
  
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  November 29, 2017 12:47pm
Digmen1

Golriz Ghahraman
Has there been any comments as to where and when she came here from her “war torn” city?
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November 29, 2017 10:13am
- Rich Prick
  
  Apparently it was 1990 when they refugeed to Malaysia for a holiday, then they refugeed to Fiji and onwards refugeed to New Zealand, where it seems they ran out of the will to refugee any further (refugeeing for overseas holidays excepted).
  
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  November 29, 2017 1:10pm
Jack5

While we pick the political bones of Golriz Ghahraman, the real damage of the Greens is passing with little comment.

Hostility to oil exploration stoked up by the Melon Greens has led to Anadarko pulling out of NZ exploration.

We have gas close offshore, and maybe oil, and this economy needs it. We are walking on economic ice after about 40 years of balance of payments deficits, prices of our core export – dairy products – under pressure, and National’s laxness on immigration bringing GDP per capita almost to a halt.

We need that gas, and it now seems there’s now little chance of harnessing it.

Thank you Greens – both those within the Melon Party and the Green Quislings in other parties.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/99313380/us-oil-giant-anadarko-set-to-leave-new-zealand
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November 29, 2017 10:30am
- Harkman
  
  The price of oil isn’t really high enough but under this government we are going to see interest rates spike. Slow exports, low business confidence, foreigners via the capital account were actually nullifying our current account deficits and a falling currency makes pharmac drugs more expensive. And if international rates go up we will have a feedback loop where we have to pay more interest on top of the interest we are already paying. I suggest people lock in low rates for as long as possible.
  
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  November 29, 2017 10:53am
  - Jack5
    
    Harkman, your: “… foreigners via the capital account were actually nullifying our current account deficits” ….
    
    An economist can correct me. As I understand it, by foreigners funding the deficit – presumably, if by loans, causing a surge in non-Government debt.
    
    Or, as I think you suggest, by sales of assets to foreigners, from land to companies (such as the plastics manufacturer Sistema). These sales can then lead to a continuing bleed as profit goes overseas (if the whole enterprise hasn’t been shifted abroad).
    
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    November 29, 2017 11:03am
  - Jack5
    
    Re Harkman’s point on the oil price …
    
    I’m not suggesting there’s enough gas close offshore in NZ for international exports, but the world gas market seems healthier than the world oil market.
    
    http://www.businessinsider.com/the-natural-gas-market-is-set-to-boom-2017-10?IR=T
    
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    November 29, 2017 11:29am
  - KevOB
    
    Hasn’t Pharmac been the funded-medicine-choice tester and setter with the government fixing an overall budget and keeping out of the details ?
    
    Another own goal. Now medicines will be determined by ..uncle Tom Cobley & all.
    
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    November 29, 2017 5:36pm
Bullion

So John Key was lying about mass surveilance … I suppose he did eventually resign as PM but a few years late.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11948852

And also this:

The former Finance Minister Steven Joyce made no financial allowance for National’s $20 billion defence re-equipment programme and says it was possible his Government might not have replaced the Orion maritime surveillance aircraft because of the cost.

Because of this the new Government is to review the $20 billion programme which was unveiled with much fanfare last year.

But the National Government never accurately costed it and made no provision in any of its long-term forecasts to pay for it.

No allowance was made in the capital spending forecasts of the Pre-election Economic and Fiscal Update for the procurement programme.

This has left Labour facing a multi-billion dollar hit to its budgets each year over the next 13 years if it decides to go ahead with the programme which apart from replacing the Orions calls for replacing the Hercules and 757 transport aircraft and the Navy’s frigates.

http://politik.co.nz/en/content/politics/1241/
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November 29, 2017 10:54am
- Scott
  
  While I don’t agree with the first part of your post, I do agree that defence spending needs to be urgently looked at. We don’t have an air force with any teeth, no fighter planes, how is our Navy going, and what’s our army looking like? Neither labour or national appear to make defence spending a priority. Even though defence of the nation is the first priority of government.
  
  Given labour’s pacifist tendencies I don’t hold much hope for a beefing up of our defence forces in the next 3 years.
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:08am
  - doggone7
    
    You don’t agree with the bit about John Key lying? Don’t agree wth him lying about mass surveillance? That he resigned? Or resigned few years late?
    
    Some of those are palpably true. The last bit is clearly opinion.
    
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    November 29, 2017 11:13am
  - treadingthemill
    
    I don’t think Labour are pacifist, remember Clark authorised NZ support for military action in Afghanistan., they just don’t prioritse defence, but as you say, neither does National.
    
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    November 29, 2017 11:19am
- Jack5
  
  Mass surveillance …
  
  What fucking piffle Leftists talk.
  
  Electronic communications – now by smart phone and line phone as well as by internet – is conversation in a market square.
  
  For electronic privacy people use prime-number-based codes such as RSA. But the fact you are using a code may raise security folk’s interest.
  
  This is not new! People have used one-time-pad code (still perhaps the best of all) for centuries. Privacy has always been a trade-off against security.
  
  With international terrorism rampant, and scum like ISIL making full use of the internet and cellphone networks, trawling of communications by security agencies is necessary for national survival.
  
  What has happened to the American traitor, Snowden, by the way? Perhaps Labour’s mates like Hager the Horrible would like to have him offered safe have in New Zealand. Fat chance.
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:14am
JasonJohns

last friday sir william gallaher blew the lid off the conspiracy that has given nz a fake version of the treaty of waitangi

gallagher showed that the treaty on display in wellington is the WRONG document

now the establishment is hitting back at gallagher. the well-known cultural marxist ‘historian’ paul moon has taken to the radio to slam sir william as a ‘conspiracy theorist’
http://www.radiolive.co.nz/home/audio/2017/11/is-sir-william-gallagher-s-slant-on-history-racist-.html
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November 29, 2017 11:27am
JasonJohns

I hope Sir William Gallagher remembers that the last person to stand up publicly and say loudly that the Treaty of Waitangi is a fraud, and the real document is hidden, was Allan Titford…and Titford is now in jail…he was put away for 24 years…
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November 29, 2017 11:28am
- Jack5
  
  JasonJ … That’s funny, and you’re not really suggesting Sir Bill is in the same category as Titford.
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/228321/farmer-jailed-24-years-for-rape-and-arson
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:31am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Jack5, Allan Titford and the other heroic members of the One NZ Foundation have laid the framework for Sir Bill’s explosive speech. It was they who first provided the evidence that the version of the TOW in wellington is a fraud. Sir Bill made that same point last week.
    
    Do you stand with Sir Bill or not?
    
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    November 29, 2017 12:09pm
    - sam green
      
      Not. The IOD who were hosting the event were right royally pissed off and issued a public statement distancing themselves from the personal opinion of Mr G. And Titford was a nasty violent rapist. Hardly good company.
      
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      November 29, 2017 2:39pm
JasonJohns

The One NZ Foundation, Hobson’s Pledge, and John Ansell have all charged that Titford was framed, Jack5.
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November 29, 2017 11:34am
- Jack5
  
  Do you reckon it will turn out that Aotearoa New Zealand is still legally part of New South Wales!
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:43am
JasonJohns

Uptick if you agree with Sir William Gallagher that the Treaty of Waitangi displayed in Wellington is a fraud, and that the true Treaty has been concealed.
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November 29, 2017 11:35am
- Longknives
  
  Uptick if you wish JasonJohns would slither off back to The Standard…
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:38am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Uptick if you think Longknives you front up like a man and say whether he stands with Sir William or with Sir William’s politically motivated critics. Do you think the Treaty of Waitangi displayed at the National Library is a fake or not, Longknives?
    
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    November 29, 2017 11:41am
    - wiseowl
      
      Well I stand with Sir William.
      It is so disappointing that many supposedly educated people cannot read and understand documents .Where are the businessmen that were at his meeting ? Have they no ability to examine and comprehend a simple document that has no mention of partnership for starters.
      
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      November 29, 2017 1:09pm
      - JasonJohns
        
        Well said wiseowl. The present Treaty is a fake and the Littlewood document is the genuine article. It has been hidden since 1840 but the truth will out.
        
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        November 29, 2017 1:34pm
JasonJohns

The notorious hardline marxist paul moon says in his interview that the Treaty can’t be fake, because the british published its text in 1840. Has he not considered as Allan Titford does that there might have been reasons why the British might have wanted to conceal the true Treaty in 1840? Sir William Gallagher has blown the lid off a very old conspiracy with his revelations
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November 29, 2017 11:39am
- Kimbo
  
  The notorious hardline marxist paul moon
  
  Er, Moon is a Congregationalist. You know, like Oliver Cromwell, David Livingstone and…Walt Disney. 😉
  
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  November 29, 2017 1:48pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Sounds like ‘our’ coalition document.
  
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  November 29, 2017 7:33pm
Victor Omega

The international society for infectious diseases have serious questions for New Zealand regarding the “new strain” of Botulism affecting the family who ate wild pork.

They declared that the reported onset of botulism symptoms within minutes post ingestion is “highly unusual”.

What an embarrassment for NZ. There is no confirmed “new strain” of botulism. There has been no confirmation of ANY botulism strain in ANY toxicology report, but most NZs getting their information from the msm would tell you otherwise.
The NZ media made up the story about botulism. They have now changed their headlines to “suspected” botulism. A tox report would have confirmed botulism by now (it takes a few days) so they are backing away from it.

The obvious question in the absence of any evidence of botulism is, What are the other suspects then?

One of the families friends had this to say:
“in the process of elimination the doctors think it is defiantly some sort of poising within the boar itself so maybe the boar has consumed poison before it was shot down and so whatever was in its blood has found itself in to theirs”

Why are we not even having a conversation about secondary poisoning then? In fact, it’s quite the opposite. Suggestions that secondary poisoning could be a factor have been attacked viciously and labelled as “cruel” and “insensitive” for the suffering family.
Apparently, despite dumping tons of 1080 into the environment (banned in most other countries) NZ has no facility to test for Sodium fluoroacetate residue! Talk about having your blinkers on. Tests on the family or the boar meat would have to be done everseas.
Why hasn’t the media followed up on this? Do we know if the tests to rule out secondary poisoning are being done?
I hope so.
I don’t have an agenda, just an opinion that if 1080 has played a role here, surely that’s something we would all want to know.
Even the staunchest supporter of 1080 drops would want it ruled out. Right?
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November 29, 2017 12:50pm
- Gruffydd
  
  If some fuckwit finds a dead pig in the bush and eats it is Darwin at work.
  
  Considered whatever effected the victims would have been fatal without medical intervention in a short time it is highly unlikely that 1080 poisoning from a live animal was the culprit. . 1080 baits are small and spread over a large area . It would have taken considerable time for a pig to find and eat that many baits or dead animals. To have that much toxic poison in its system that eating some would cause death guarantees the pig would have died within a very short time of ingestion of the source
  
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  November 29, 2017 1:25pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    I see, I missed that bit of info. I assumed he had killed the pig himself.
    
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    November 29, 2017 1:35pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’ve seen different stories in the newspaper…
      One said the father had killed the boar; another said it was a friend.
      
      No-one has stated who butchered the boar.
      Is it possible that the boar was taken someplace (home-kill business) for butchering by a third party and equivalent cuts of old meat were exchanged/ substituted for the new beast?
      
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      November 29, 2017 2:24pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Yes maggy we have incomplete information.
        One would assume the doctors involved would have looked at both the source of the animal and its processing to access the probability of chemical contamination. The medical authorities seemed to have ruled accidental 1080 poisoning out.
        
        There is no cover up or conspiracy around our use of 1080. Mistakes have been made and learned from in the past.
        1080 poison is the best method to eliminate pest mammalian spices from this country.
        
        That and every one buys some good nature self setting traps.
        
        I can already see the difference no possums and rats make to my little piece of paradise. I have not manged to kill the stoat yet . There is one around I watched it slither past the cabin a few months ago
        Stoats have a large range compered to other pests and are notoriously bait shy.
        
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        November 29, 2017 2:48pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @gruffydd
        
        I’m not arguing for anything like 1080 poisoning.
        
        I’m posing the question as to whether fresh boar meat or old boar meat was cooked.
        
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        November 29, 2017 2:53pm
      - nasska
        
        Griff
        
        Stoats, like most mustelidae, love running in pipes.
        
        Try constructing a noose trap in a length of plastic downpipe.
        
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        November 29, 2017 4:32pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Try constructing a noose trap in a length of plastic downpipe.
        
        Or trouser leg? 😉
        
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        November 29, 2017 4:42pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”Or trouser leg?”…..
        
        One of the kinkier acts of BDSM I suspect. 🙂
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:01pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No, it is scheduled to be an Olympic sport by 2028. 😉
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4gEQ1KrwT0
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferret-legging
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:06pm
  - Victor Omega
    
    You havent really read up on this have you. Nobody died and the pig was shot (according to the statement by the family friend.)
    
    I’m not willing to accept that you’re an authority on 1080, you sound more like you’re quoting “facts” off your fish-n-chip wrapper.
    
    Even if you are an expert, you wouldn’t have a problem with testing for Sodium fluoroacetate or any of its metabolised derivatives because you’d welcome the opportunity to prove your theory about sub-lethal doses correct.
    
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    November 29, 2017 1:42pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      fatal without medical intervention in a short time
      
      They were placed on life support because their body’s had shut down without medical intervention that is fatal.
      
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      November 29, 2017 1:56pm
  - Gruffydd
    
    I am making a logical case against the source for the sickness being due 1080 from a live pig
    From what I know he claimed to have shot the thing.
    Pigs have a very similar Metabolism to humans.
    A pig must have been comatose or dead for it to have that much 1080 in it.
    A wild animal in such a state if not dead would be obviously very sick .You can usually spot a sick cow or sheep with a casual glance at the paddock. Sick Animals usually lie at odd postures not as if they are sleeping or resting.
    
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    November 29, 2017 1:52pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Griff:
    
    If some fuckwit finds a dead pig in the bush
    
    I wonder how GoVege would react in this scenario.
    
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    November 29, 2017 4:40pm
    - nasska
      
      Straight down on her knees giving it CPR I would think. 🙂
      
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      November 29, 2017 5:06pm
- kowtow
  
  People need to remember what the msm have done here.
  Before any tests were confirmed they were all screaming “botulism” done it, the pig done it etc
  
  Then they wonder why thinking people are giving up on them and don’t trust them!
  
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  November 29, 2017 1:52pm
  - waripori
    
    I know something about 1080 poisoning. It seems to take 3 or 4 hours for even a fairly small dog to show symptoms after eating a carcase which has been killed by 1080. These people got sick within 30 minutes I think. It would have to be a massive dose ingested directly rather than poisoned meat to achieve that. You would need to have made porridge out of the cereal baits.
    
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    November 29, 2017 4:11pm
    - Brito
      
      I’ve seen a dog chew the bones of a possum which had died sometime ago. He died in agony within 30 minutes. The poison concentrates in the bones and the gut acid of the dog enhances the reaction.
      
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      November 29, 2017 5:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        Dogs are very susceptible to 1080. Tiny amounts will kill them.
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:56pm
      - Victor Omega
        
        Studies have proven that 1.65mg of sodium fluoroacetate is a lethal dose for a dog.
        
        Roughly the size of a grain of sand.
        
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        November 29, 2017 6:26pm
waripori

What is this about?
https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99350522/pharmac-warns-minister-of-the-impact-of-interim-drug-fund-and-the-motives-of-big-pharma

This stuff article seems to be saying medicines NZ met with Andrew Little, got Labour to adopt the Interim Drugs fund as Policy and then spent $150,000 on a mysterious election 2017 project. Minister Clark is saying The Interim drugs fund is still policy despite Pharmac advice it will cause a 90 million dollar annual blowout and impact their ability to negotiate with Drug companies.

This sounds a lot like NZ First and the Kermadec sanctuary.
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November 29, 2017 1:07pm
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Is the Stefan Crauzaz mentioned in this article the same Pharmac CEO Steffan Crausaz who earlier this year at an industry seminar introduced Dr Nigel Murray as an exceptional healthcare leader who represented a DHB that Pharmac considered a model of efficiency? Yeah you can trust Pharmac to make the best healthcare decisions for us.
  
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  November 29, 2017 1:20pm
Longknives

The League ‘World Cup’ is like watching a slow-moving Trainwreck!
Tonga must have spared no expense hiring this Lawyer-

“Therefore, an immediate remedy needs to be delivered urgently, taking into account … the failure of the referee to refer the matter to the video referee, the mental health issues of the referee, past and presence, [and the] previous history of disciplinary actions against the referee in his inability to avoid mistakes..”

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2017/11/tongan-lawyer-sends-letter-urging-rugby-league-world-cup-organisers-to-overturn-decision.html

“Past and Presence”? Seriously??
Did they hire Lionel Hutz?
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November 29, 2017 1:31pm
- Kimbo
  
  I always thought Samoan rugby player Eliota Fuimaono-Sapolu of 2011 Rugby World Cup infamy (and his mad, bad, sad fellow lawyer mother, Iuni Sapolu) was the worst
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11315725
  
  She once complained, based on the fact her son wasn’t being picked and based on his name, that that the University senior club coach Mark Birtwistle must be a racist…until it was pointed out like others with European names (Bryan Williams, Joe Stanley)…Birtwistle too was Samoan! Indeed, he had played for Manu Samoa in their famous breakthrough victory against Wales in Cardiff in 1991 😉
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10678729
  
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/58750/barred-lawyers-investigated-by-police
  
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  November 29, 2017 1:41pm
  - Longknives
    
    How humiliating for the player having his Mum fight his battles for him!
    Wasn’t that a famous old Rugby Story? Mum ran onto the pitch with her Handbag?? (Can’t seem to find it on Google)
    
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    November 29, 2017 1:46pm
    - Kimbo
      
      South Canterbury vs France at Timaru, in 1961 – and South Canterbury won 17-14. Wasn’t the player’s mum. The spectator in question was Hilda Madsen, of Oamaru, whose ire was raised by the antics of French flanker Michel Crause. He was nick named “The Mongol” on account of both his swarthy looks, and his dirty reputation. Even Colin Meads thought he was dirty! 😉
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/features/5525108/Triumph-also-bit-of-a-brawl
      
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      November 29, 2017 1:52pm
      - Longknives
        
        Ha Ha Thought you might know..
        
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        November 29, 2017 2:34pm
starboard

Cindy is being eaten alive by Paula Bennett on Parliament tv..?
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November 29, 2017 2:16pm
- sam green
  
  Did the pies run out?
  
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  November 29, 2017 2:59pm
  - starboard
    
    Yep…Dr * snigger* megan woods hoovered them up.
    Cowsbody.
    
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    November 29, 2017 4:38pm
- Komata
  
  Starboard
  
  Thanks; It’s fascinating watching Paula taking ‘Teeth’ and ‘Winnie’ apart – she’s good – and long may she continue.
  
  Sadly, Trevor is not ‘impartial’ although that is probably not unsurprising I guess.
  
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  November 29, 2017 3:13pm
softail 1450

an incredible success story ,kiri allan has only been an mp for 4weeks and she’s already sitting directly behind the pm and deputy pm and has become the question asking puppy for grant robinson.
how has she had such incredible luck to get there so quickly ?.oh yes that right ,silly me.
it must piss all the loyal stooges that have been there for years and never left the back bench….
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November 29, 2017 2:20pm
- sam green
  
  Maybe she’s really talented.
  
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  November 29, 2017 3:00pm
  - Brito
    
    If she was talented Sambo, she’d work for National…so she isn’t. Carries tissues for the leakage of gender fluid from grant (lowercase g because he isn’t worth a capital).
    
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    November 29, 2017 3:36pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      Their are talented and untalented people in both parties.
      
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      November 29, 2017 3:40pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yeah but Cindy was gilding the lily when she gushed she had “an abundance of talent” from which to chose her cabinet. Already the wheels have fallen off for Kelvin Davis. Clare Curran wont be long, Kris Faafoi, Carmel Sepuloni…even Chris Hipkins who one thought was competent has been dropping the ball, and I await with interest Grant Robertson’s tenure. Sure, he has ability….but Finance?! 😉
        
        And Tracy Martin from NZ First will be a gift that keeps on giving. My taxes are helping to pay for it so may as well enjoy the train wreck for its comedy/fascination value. 😉
        
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        November 29, 2017 3:51pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        I never rated Kelvin highly anyway, so I was not surprised at his pretty awful performance. Don’t know enough to speak about the rest, and as far as Grant goes, well the proof is in the pudding, and discerning that is a wee way off yet. The train wreck might come, or it might not. Too soon to tell, but, and contrary to the rhetoric here, I have seen nothing so far to make me regret my derision to vote for them.
        
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        November 29, 2017 4:00pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        treadingthemill:
        
        as far as Grant goes, well the proof is in the pudding
        
        Hmmm… not sure that’s the best choice of words when discussing Grant!
        
        my derision to vote for them [Labour]
        
        I think that’s what’s known in the trade as a Freudian slip?
        
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        November 29, 2017 4:43pm
      - Brito
        
        Socialist alert!!!
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:54pm
    - sam green
      
      Jeez Brito- you’re getting carried away there. Something you need to come out about?
      
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      November 29, 2017 4:21pm
      - Brito
        
        Probably but I’m happy in my denial.
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:55pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Robertson?
  
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  November 29, 2017 4:45pm
Manolo

US tax cuts are up in the air:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-28/these-eight-senators-can-make-or-break-trump-s-tax-cut-this-week
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November 29, 2017 2:55pm
Tricati

Having finally ‘semi’ retired after 48 years of continual work, and no Government hand outs, I finally watched Question Time in Parliament yesterday & today – I wish I not wasted my time. I was appalled at the inane responses to questions and the glib and childish behavior, particularly from the Deputy Prime Minister. I was actually ashamed that this was our House of Representatives and felt that what was on display, was not reflective of the expectation of the tax payer who is employing them.
If I had acted like that during my years of employment, I would have got (and expected) a short shift.
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November 29, 2017 3:35pm
Digmen1

I have just stated watching channel 29.

But dam I missed Pual Bennet v Jacinda.

But I just turned it off watching Marama Davidson trying to say that we should all learn Te Reo and then Maori and women will be better off.

How will me speaking 100 words of Maori make them better off?
They would be better to learn 1,000 worse of English and some maths.
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November 29, 2017 3:49pm
- starboard
  
  They will be better off cos they will understand when their defacto partner is screaming stoneage at ’em and that he is about to kick the living shit out of her and the farnow. Those few seconds of stoneage language, and her new knowledge of said stoneage language could be the difference between life and death.
  
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  November 29, 2017 4:32pm
  - nasska
    
    The language is dead & rigor mortis is setting in as we discuss the subject.
    
    In the name of decency, stop trying to resurrect Te Reo & bury the corpse before it becomes a health hazard.
    
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    November 29, 2017 4:41pm
  - softail 1450
    
    starboard , this COL will make Maori mandatory in schools ,bet your house on it…..
    
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    November 29, 2017 6:07pm
- Digmen1
  
  1,000 words
  
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  November 29, 2017 5:55pm
- softail 1450
  
  marama Davidson is a racist POS.
  
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  November 29, 2017 6:05pm
Surely Knott

The Standard have a new article about fiscal issues, using the picture of Stephen Joyce with a dildo flying past his face. It’s getting a bit tiresome frankly. It was sexual harrasment IMHO, that this man in the process of doing his job had an activist try and humiliate him by throwing a sex toy at him and then the accompanying viral media. But now, years later, Joyce is still subject to humiliation of the use of this degrading photo. I wonder would the Lawyers at the Standard feel it was within the law if this same sexualised or nude and degrading images were used of women in their workplaces or political party?
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November 29, 2017 3:53pm
- sooty
  
  Going to be interesting come maori day. Whats in line for taxinda?
  
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  November 29, 2017 5:18pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Hongis, hugz and feelz
    
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    November 29, 2017 6:35pm
EAD_TWO

Grammys Diversity Triumph: No White Guys in Best Album!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-grammys-diversity-triumph-no-white-guys-in-album-of-the-year

Surely celebrating the lack of representation of a group as a “diversity triumph” contradicts the plain meaning of “diversity”?

Maybe those nutty “conspiracy theorists” have a point when they say “diversity” is a code word for white genocide…….
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November 29, 2017 4:15pm
- Kimbo
  
  They gave Elvis a grammy?! They didn’t give me no grammy and he stole my act and all my songs!” (Little Richard) 😉
  
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  November 29, 2017 4:20pm
- treadingthemill
  
  It’s nutty to claim that the lack of any ethnic group is a triumph for diversity, that’s true. It’s equally as nutty to claim diversity is a code for white genocide. Like the dying days of the Wiemar Republic, the far left and the far right feed off and reinforce each other. Two sides of the same coin.
  
  Also, white genocide is a myth.
  
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  November 29, 2017 4:28pm
- Longknives
  
  It does seem a bit weird that the Left are celebrating the Grammy nominations as some kind of ‘Victory’ because there are no White Men.
  Surely it should be all about the Music??
  
  The Oscars will be next- The pressure on the Academy to exclude the hated White Male from Nominations will be overbearing…
  
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  November 29, 2017 4:58pm
EAD_TWO

Jack5, Kimbo, mandk, treadingthemikenmild, Lance etc. on Kiwiblog as they try to obfuscate, divert and deny truth bomb after truth bomb:

“The Bolsheviks weren’t Jewish – that’s just conspiracy theory”

Today in the news: – Russia launches investigation into whether the last tsar Nicholas II was killed with his family as part of a ‘Jewish ritual murder’”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5125545/amp/Russia-investigates-tsar-killed-Jewish-ritual.html

Sometimes life comes at you fast ??
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November 29, 2017 4:25pm
- Kimbo
  
  So still no direct answers to those questions I asked three times of you yesterday, EAD:
  
  Um, why is it when Soviets from a Gentile family and upbringing committed atrocities they are primarily regarded as Bolsheviks, but when they were non-Gentiles, they are regarded primarily as…Jews? And how come, if the “Jews” really are in charge, they let Trotsky get his head caved in with an ice pick?!
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/11/general_debate_28_november_2017.html
  
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  November 29, 2017 4:28pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    From above:
    
    as Kimbo et al.
    
    try to obfuscate, divert and deny truth bomb after truth bomb
    
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    November 29, 2017 4:31pm
    - Kimbo
      
      So still not directly answering the questions, eh? Gotcha…
      
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      November 29, 2017 4:32pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        You were expecting him to do so? Ead’s the spray and walk away type. Definitely a beta male!
        
        Edit: In Ead’s case, more like spray and run away.
        
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        November 29, 2017 4:48pm
      - tom hunter
        
        I’m a little surprised that no one has tracked down the original Churchill article, but oh well… Have to do my bit before the summer holidays strike…
        
        First there are the Jews who, dwelling in every country throughout the world, identify themselves with that country, enter into its national life and, while adhering faithfully to their own religion, regard themselves as citizens in the fullest sense of the State which has received them. Such a Jew living in England would say, “I am an English man practising the Jewish faith.” This is a worthy conception, and useful in the highest degree. We in Great Britain well know that during the great struggle the influence of what may be called the “National Jews” in many lands was cast preponderatingly on the side of the Allies; and in our own Army Jewish soldiers have played a most distinguished part, some rising to the command of armies, others winning the Victoria Cross for valour.
        
        Woah. Respect dude!
        
        The National Russian Jews, in spite of the disabilities under which they have suffered, have managed to play an honorable and useful part in the national life even of Russia. As bankers and industrialists they have strenuously promoted the development of Russia’s economic resources, and they were foremost in the creation of those remarkable organizations, the Russian Co-operative Societies. In politics their support has been given, for the most part, to liberal and progressive movements, and they have been among the staunchest upholder of friendship with France and Great Britain.
        
        Even more respect for the Jews from Churchill in that same article – and Russian Jews no less.
        
        The fact that in many cases Jewish interests and Jewish places of worship are excepted by the Bolsheviks from their universal hostility has tended more and more to associate the Jewish race in Russia with the villainies, which are now being perpetrated. This is an injustice on millions of helpless people, most of whom are themselves sufferers from the revolutionary regime. It becomes, therefore, specially important to foster and develop any strongly-marked Jewish movement which leads directly away from these fatal associations. And it is here that Zionism has such a deep significance for the whole world at the present time.
        
        Zionism offers the third sphere to the political conceptions of the Jewish race. In violent contrast to international communism, it presents to the Jew a national idea of a commanding character.
        
        So to say the least, a whole lot of nuance about te Jews from Mr Churchill.
        
        Now since Jack5 was good enough to provide other views from Solzhenitsyn I’d like to think that you all will quote the above passages whenever EAD enters his Jew Hate Robot mode – which is admittedly on 90% of the time and is therefore, as we say in IT, a feature, not a bug. 🙂
        
        Oh – and Mazel tov
        
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        November 29, 2017 8:35pm
    - realityczech
      
      nazi hunter, Oh I get it.
      
      ➡ Russians are scum and all deserve to die and as Brito said, we should celebrate culling them.
      
      ➡ But Russians who are Jews are to be glorified and venerated.
      
      The only robot here is yourself mindlessly repeating the discredited – Jews are victims – narrative .
      
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      November 29, 2017 8:41pm
      - realityczech
        
        Well anyway here is what the Jews think about Churchill’s support. You would think they would be more grateful Tommy ?
        
        Maybe you should stop the name calling and take a lesson from EAD about research and evidence.
        
        The Truth About Churchill and the Jews
        
        The British leader’s ‘special friendship’ with the Jewish people is nothing more than a myth, created by Churchill himself and his official biographer, Martin Gilbert.
        read more: https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.767730
        
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        November 29, 2017 8:49pm
      - tom hunter
        
        truth bomb after truth bomb
        
        🙂
        
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        November 29, 2017 11:50pm
- treadingthemill
  
  truth bomb after truth bomb
  
  More like one poop after another. And why am I supposed to take the notoriously anti-Semitic Russian church seriously?
  
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  November 29, 2017 4:30pm
  - starboard
    
    Bricklayer eh…?
    
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    November 29, 2017 4:34pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Winston Churchill was a brickie. Seriously:
      
      https://www.becomeabricklayer.com.au/brickies-blog/winston-churchill-britains-most-famous-statesman-and-bricklayer/
      
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      November 29, 2017 4:38pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Oh no, that can’t be right Kimbo! All bricklayers are stoooopid people who can’t read or write!
        
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        November 29, 2017 4:43pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      Ex Bricklayer, and ex painter. And if you think all bricklayers, or painters, are uneducated people who never read a book or watch a History channel doco, then you need to get out more.
      
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      November 29, 2017 4:39pm
      - sooty
        
        What about roof painters?
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:16pm
      - realityczech
        
        Trodden stop talking shit. You have never done anything as useful as laying bricks.
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:25pm
      - starboard
        
        You mean rufus painter sooty? ?
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:43pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        What about roof painters?
        
        Intellectual giants, just like me!
        
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        November 29, 2017 5:47pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    So who is correct – treadingthemikenmild & Kimbo from Kiwiblog or Sir Winston Churchill?
    
    This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)… this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.” -Writing on ‘Zionism versus Bolshevism’ in the Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 1920
    
    Link to quote
    https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/nov/28/features11.g21
    
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    November 29, 2017 4:38pm
    - Jack5
      
      Same old anti-Jewish, neo-Nazi propaganda from EAD. He’s like a needle trapped in a cracked 45rpm recording, one of a Nazi marching song, perhaps.
      
      EAD frequently tries to recruit to his cause Winston Churchill, a politician famed for standing up to the Nazis.
      
      On the proportion of Jews in the Bolsheviks, I’ve repeated names often to EAD, but it’s like trying to bore a hole in granite by pissing on it.
      
      Meanwhile, here, yet again, is one of the replies on Churchill repeated frequently to EAD:
      
      https://www.winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-135/myth-and-reality-what-did-churchill-really-think-about-the-jews/
      
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      November 29, 2017 5:15pm
    - realityczech
      
      Pearls before swine EAD. The zionist always uses lies, manipulations and personal attacks to distract from the truth. The truth is the thing they fear the most as their whole excuse for being is based on endless lies. They will stop at nothing and have no boundaries or morals.
      
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      November 29, 2017 5:24pm
  - itstricky
    
    ‘Obfuscating truth bombs’ doesn’t sound very alpha male.
    
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    November 29, 2017 5:29pm
  - realityczech
    
    why am I supposed to take the notoriously anti-~~Semitic Russian church~~ Slavic/Germanic Jews seriously?
    
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    November 29, 2017 5:53pm
- Brito
  
  For fuck sake EAD. I’ll let you into a secret. We have a special feast we call Tsarmistva. We celebrate the time we have the annual cull of the Russian Royal Family.
  
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  November 29, 2017 5:57pm
  - realityczech
    
    Brito, thanks for sharing that insight into your murderous religion.
    
    How do you feel about celebrating culls of Jews and do you think we are due for another one ?
    
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    November 29, 2017 7:41pm
    - Brito
      
      Ah a Jew hater. Were you abused as a child?
      
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      November 29, 2017 7:55pm
      - realityczech
        
        You were talking about celebrating the culling of Russians. I asked if your lust for genocide applied to Jews. You have previously fantasised about mowing down Muslims with your Uzi and gassing other non Jews.
        
        Were you abused as a child ?
        
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        November 29, 2017 8:15pm
    - Brito
      
      I said, rc, I’d mow em down if they attacked.
      
      You however, are a hater. Just send your address and we can help.
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        Oh look Brittle is making threats. You know non zionists get banned for that ?. Also decent people [non zionists] get banned for making nazi references.
        
        Now back to those people you wanted to gas with the delousing agent Zyklon B. Who exactly did you have in mind for that ?
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:11pm
realityczech

Trodden is another manifestation of the Stupidboy/Milky troll creatures.

Clearly bitter after its most recent suspension it has decided to punish us all with the most insipid and sanctimonious entity to date.

Once you scratch through the facade of sleazy virtue signalling you quickly find a shallow bitter wee man who can only resort to ad hominem attacks and strawmen.
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November 29, 2017 5:51pm
nasska

Treadingthemill & mikenmild are not one & the same. I’ll grant that both are centre left but their triggers differ by a country mile.

Different ways they argue issues, different phraseology, different temperaments…..even spelling.

No chocolate fish.
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November 29, 2017 6:06pm
- realityczech
  
  nasska, stop ruining the fun Mr Serious. They are all epic wankers and that is all we need to know 🙂
  
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  November 29, 2017 6:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Perhaps there is a big machine somewhere that churns them out at infrequent intervals.
    
    Dud models like Stephieboy get recalled;
    
    Tired old versions such as MM get a revamp/makeover.
    
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    November 29, 2017 7:23pm
    - realityczech
      
      Wiggles I like your idea better.
      
      nasska is more fun as Dad 4 Justice 🙂
      
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      November 29, 2017 7:29pm
      - sooty
        
        Ztev certainly had a brain transplant while he was away. He’s certainly spewing the leftie troll with feaver now. Hes like a different person. Maybe it is?
        
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        November 29, 2017 7:42pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      Fascinating Maggy. I’ve seen you complain about ill-treatment by someone else here, and I was sympathetic. Yet here you are doing the very thing you complain about, as well as accusing me of deception and dishonesty. Looks like double standards Maggy. You can’t complain about something you do yourself.
      
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      November 29, 2017 7:31pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Ah treadingthemill
        
        where have I said you and mikenmild are one and the same?
        
        I have raised it as a possibility and as a problem in logic.
        
        How can one tell that a nom-de-plumed commenter has assumed the identity of a new anonymous commenter ?
        
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        November 29, 2017 8:15pm
    - realityczech
      
      Wiggles, I think you have triggered Trodden and he is lashing out ! I knew that bullshit facade of tepidness would soon crumble with a bit of pressure.
      
      It appears he is quite the hothead and takes himself way too seriously.
      
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      November 29, 2017 7:37pm
- treadingthemill
  
  @ nasska
  
  Yup, pretty obvious really. Out of curiosity I Googled ‘mikenmild kiwiblog’ and read a bunch of his posts. Not even close to my style, and apart from one or two issues, we don’t see eye to eye either. He’s far more partisan than me. And I’m not an atheist, which he seemed quite passionate about.
  
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  November 29, 2017 6:37pm
  - realityczech
    
    “I’m not an atheist”
    
    Shit it got worse. The contrived prick is a god botherer on top of his other personality defects. I should have guessed with his extreme zionist views.
    
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    November 29, 2017 6:40pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      I get that you’re trolling, but for the sake of other readers I’m not a Zionist. I’m neither pro nor anti Israel, or the Palestinians. I don’t care about either. I’m a Celtic Pagan. Yahweh/Allah has no role in my life or thinking, let alone a strip of land in the ME.
      
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      November 29, 2017 6:48pm
      - realityczech
        
        “trolling” Code for; I’ve been called out on my bullshit and have no response.
        
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        November 29, 2017 6:50pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        No, an accurate term for someone who takes ridiculously extreme positions and phrases things in a deliberately offensive way to get a response. But, you already know that, because you know that’s what you do.
        
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        November 29, 2017 6:55pm
      - realityczech
        
        Trodden, oh I get it. Is it the same with people who post smug sanctimonious comments that do not reflect their real views ?
        
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        November 29, 2017 6:59pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Is it the same with people who post smug sanctimonious comments that do not reflect their real views ?
        
        I don’t know, as I don’t make those kinds of comments and never say anything I don’t believe. You would be the expert on that kind of behaviour.
        
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        November 29, 2017 7:02pm
      - realityczech
        
        Trodden, oh yeah you do. I can read you creeps like a book. You are pretending to be the person you would like to be. Not the one you are.
        
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        November 29, 2017 7:07pm
  - starboard
    
    You are mm tread..admit it you spineless fuck.
    
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    November 29, 2017 7:41pm
- SGA
  
  @nasska
  
  Treadingthemill & mikenmild are not one & the same. I’ll grant that both are centre left but their triggers differ by a country mile.
  Different ways they argue issues, different phraseology, different temperaments…..even spelling.
  
  Agreed.
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:32pm
ex-golfer

Wow, I have to give “No Right Turn” credit.
He has written a scathing take-down of Clare Curran:

http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2017/11/the-minister-for-open-government.html
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November 29, 2017 6:15pm
- realityczech
  
  Yep that is pretty scathing and accurate.
  
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  November 29, 2017 6:27pm
Longknives

Just saw the Left’s ‘People’s Princess’ on the news-
She looks absolutely dreadful! Pale and gaunt.
Time for some stress leave?
I mean- Nobody would hold it against you Comrade.. It is, after all, the first real job you’ve ever had…
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November 29, 2017 6:18pm
- realityczech
  
  I thought the same. She looks deathly ill. She needs a steak, a pint of Guinness, and a great big cock up her. Gayford can probably arrange the steak and Guinness, but the remainder will have to be contracted out.
  
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  November 29, 2017 6:30pm
  - Inandout
    
    That is not a nice comment about Cinders. Helen would dismiss your comment as sexist by implying Adern is hetrosexual.
    
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    November 29, 2017 6:35pm
    - realityczech
      
      Hey lighten up it was just a joke. If she was really hetrosexual she would not be shacked up with Gayford would she ? 🙂
      
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      November 29, 2017 6:42pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Ba! good boy Kea. Love your jokes and satire
        
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        November 29, 2017 7:00pm
      - Brito
        
        Kea, right, got it. Definitely abused as a child.
        
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        November 29, 2017 7:58pm
Fletch

Too funny. Milo takes on a Muslim Australian journalist who doesn’t even know her own faith – not even the 5 Pillars.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7FtjtF4gM0
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November 29, 2017 6:33pm
Doubledimp

Playing a game on facebook, based on ship trading. very cute, nice wind-down after a busy day arguing with computers. HOWEVER! their christmas themed packages include snow, icicles, sleds and eggnogs. This is completely insensitive to the southern hemisphere players who used to enjoy this game. I will be forming a protest group (under the banner of our Lady of the Perpetual Snowflake) to draw attention to the discrimination being suffered by those who reside in the latitudes where Christmas is a WARM! season! (Watch for me on “The Project”, they lap up this sort of trivial garbage!)
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November 29, 2017 6:53pm
- Longknives
  
  Get it Right! It’s ‘Winterval’ or ‘Happy Holidays’ to those on The Left- ‘Christmas’ is insensitive/offensive to Muslims..
  If you are going to appear on The Project Doubledimp then I suggest you use the appropriate terminology!
  
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  November 29, 2017 7:27pm
Doubledimp

Oh, by the way, another train strike in Wellington this Friday.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99380361/more-strike-action-planned-for-friday-means-no-train-services-again
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November 29, 2017 6:55pm
- ex-golfer
  
  The Unions sure are calling in their chips early aren’t they?
  
  One benefit – the last strike resulted in the clearest roads in Wellington for quite some time!
  
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  November 29, 2017 6:58pm
  - sooty
    
    Strike, Brothers, Strike. That’s the stuff, piss the public off! I wonder what taxinda thinks of the brothers kicking up bobs die. This is going give her a spike in the polls.
    
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    November 29, 2017 7:34pm
  - realityczech
    
    Tell ya what fellas, why don’t you go and work down there for nothing with shit conditions. That will teach em eh ?
    
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    November 29, 2017 7:43pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So the trains are on strike in Wellington on Friday for the second time since the coalition of losers took over.
  Do the unions think that the new Govt. is going to be more sympathetic to their so-called cause?
  Has anyone asked Cindy or her Minister of Workplace Relations for an opinion?
  Or are we just going to be fucked around forever by these greedy fucking commos?
  
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  November 29, 2017 7:56pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    So, the unions appear not to have taken any notice of Cindy saying “there will not be any strikes under my leadership”.
    
    Don’t interrupt the left while they’re digging their hole…
    
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    November 29, 2017 8:19pm
    - realityczech
      
      Yeah filthy peasants, how dare they negotiate. They are not important people like you and the Nats old boy network. The cheek of it.
      
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      November 29, 2017 8:29pm
      - softail 1450
        
        realitychook,,,obviously liqourland had a special on top shelf yesterday.
        
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        November 30, 2017 5:58am
nasska

The Jewish boycott

A while ago, Iran’s Supreme Leader Grand Ayatollah Ali urged the Muslim World to boycott anything and everything that originates with the Jewish people…

In response, Meyer M. Treinkman, a Jewish pharmacist, out of the kindness of his heart, offered to assist them in their boycott as follows:

a) Any Muslim who has Syphilis must not be cured by Salvarsan discovered by a Jew, Dr. Ehrlich. He should not even try to find out whether he has Syphilis, because the Wasserman Test is the discovery of a Jew. If a Muslim suspects that he has Gonorrhoea, he must not seek diagnosis, because he will be using the method of a Jew named Neissner.

b) A Muslim who has heart disease must not use Digitalis,a discovery by a Jew, Ludwig Traube. Should he suffer with a toothache, he must not use Novocaine, a discovery of the Jews, Widal and Weil.

c) If a Muslim has Diabetes, he must not use Insulin, the result of research by Minkowsky, a Jew. If one has a headache, he must shun Pyramidon and Antypyrin, due to the Jews, Spiro and Ellege.

d) Muslims with convulsions must put up with them because it was a Jew, Oscar Leibreich, who proposed the use of Chloral Hydrate. Arabs must do likewise with their psychic ailments because Freud, father of psychoanalysis, was a Jew.

e) Should a Muslim child get Diphtheria, he must refrain from the “Schick” reaction which was invented by the Jew, Bella Schick.

f) Muslims should be ready to die in great numbers and must not permit treatment of ear and brain damage, work of Nobel Prize winner, Robert Baram.

g) They should continue to die or remain crippled by Infantile Paralysis because the discoverer of the anti-polio vaccine is a Jew, Jonas Salk.

h) Muslims must refuse to use Streptomycin and continue to die of Tuberculosis because a Jew, Zalman Waxman, invented the wonder drug against this killing disease.

i) Muslim doctors must discard all discoveries and improvements by dermatologist Judas Sehn Benedict, or the lung specialist, Frawnkel, and of many other world renowned Jewish scientists and medical experts.

In short, good and loyal Muslims properly and fittingly should remain afflicted with Syphilis, Gonorrhoea, Heart Disease, Headaches, Typhus, Diabetes, Mental Disorders, Polio, Convulsions and Tuberculosis and be proud to obey the Islamic boycott.
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November 29, 2017 8:13pm
- Inandout
  
  Brilliant, just shows how idiotic some of these Muslims are. Now can we start on technology invented by Jews?
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:21pm
- realityczech
  
  This takes me back to when Jews boycotted Germany in 1933, forcing Germany to take measures.
  
  Great to hear you are opposed to this sort of thing…
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:22pm
- realityczech
  
  nasska I guess Israel won’t be wanting anything invented by Christians or Jews then either ? Which includes all the things on your list and way way more…
  ————————————————–
  Israel bars five US Jewish, Christian and Muslim leaders backing boycott effort
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/25/israel-boycott-bds-movement-law-leaders-barred
  
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  November 29, 2017 8:26pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”Israel won’t be wanting anything invented by Christians or Jews then either”…..
    
    At least they won’t be faced with the same dilemma if they boycott everything invented or discovered by Muslims.
    
    Ever since the dark cloud of Islam settled over the ME the former repository of the World’s knowledge has been reduced to hadiths about sodomising domestic animals & sexually mutilating little girls.
    
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    November 29, 2017 8:37pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      http://islam.wikia.com/wiki/Inventions_in_the_modern_Islamic_world
      
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      November 29, 2017 8:53pm
      - Jack5
        
        That piece linked to by Maggy claims as an Islamic invention:
        
        Epic science fiction and epic space opera: These genres of science fiction largely originated from the 1965 novel Dune, which was greatly inspired by Arabic literature and Islamic literature, particularly Islamic eschatology and prophecies related to the Mahdi.
        
        Frank Herbert was born and raised a Catholic and became a Zen Buddhist.
        
        Wikipedia has a good piece on his work and themes. I didn’t notice any mention of Islam.
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:25pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Jack5
        https://baheyeldin.com/literature/arabic-and-islamic-themes-in-frank-herberts-dune.html
        
        No idea about this stuff.
        
        I haven’t read Herbert and don’t intend to.
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:32pm
    - realityczech
      
      Genital mutilation came from the Jews. As did Islam.
      
      Are you opposed to Jews hacking into little boys cocks, or does that ring your bell big time?
      
      The Muslim religion is way closer to Judaism than Christianity. The Jews were just as vile until they got their way with the help of useful idiots like you. Lets give Muslims everything the Jews have and see how extreme they are then. No need for suicide bombs when you have the US airforce do your dirty work for you.
      
      If only you knew the contempt the Jews have for you.
      
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      November 29, 2017 8:56pm
      - Brito
        
        Sick arse wipe.
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:07pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle, thanks for your unwitting support for my last point.
        
        Happy to correct any inaccuracies in the rest if you can point one out 🙂
        
        Muslims did not invade Jerusalem. Arabs did. They became Muslim after exposure to the hideous teachings of the Jews.
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:15pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  Hey Nasska, don’t forget these Jewish inventions….
  
  Bolshevism despite what Jacksie & Kimbo would have you believe
  Communism
  Political Correctness
  Feminism
  Oral suction circumcision
  Usury
  The FED
  Israel
  The Holocaust
  Trans Genderism
  White privilege
  White guilt
  Migrant “crisis”
  NAACP
  And most likely the soy epidemic tbh
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:29pm
  - Sam_Bro
    
    Look guys. This debate is just to much for you. You need to stop trying to show every one how smart y’all are. Or how much lower educated Britto is.
    
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    November 29, 2017 9:34pm
    - realityczech
      
      Brittle is not stupid, he is just lacking in morals and integrity. It’s a requirement for zionists as they need to deny the truth in order to maintain their beliefs.
      
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      November 29, 2017 9:38pm
      - Sam_Bro
        
        Look. It’s over for the National Party. OVER. Just over. They need to denounce John Key immediately. Strip him of Knighthood. Arrest him for lying to the public.
        
        Rip National Party
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:42pm
      - Brito
        
        The Three Stooges, EAD the confused hater, Sambo the white liberal, and rc the troll!
        
        You gentlemen should pack up and slope off quietly to your corners. It’s late and your mothers have probably sent their last clients home and they’ll be around soon to pack you off to bed.
        
        Now no more inappropriate touching because you Catholics know that’s a mortal sin, down on your knees, beg for forgiveness and hope your lord doesn’t take you in your sleep.
        
        Just remember, the State of Israel is the last bastion of hope for the ME. The other false nations around it will fail and once more the people of Zion will claim the stolen lands back.
        
        And I would at this point like to thank President Trump for his unwavering support of my people’s homeland. His Airforce and his Navy are a gift from God – my God not yours. And long may the lobbyists of my people exert control over the banks and the governments of the west. It’s what we get up for in the morning.
        
        Night losers. This member of the chosen people has to sleep.
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:52pm
      - Sam_Bro
        
        you type to much Britto.
        
        It’s over for National
        
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        November 29, 2017 9:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        Do ya mean it’s over for the Standard, Sam_Bro?
        
        The Lefty blog just keep its trolls inside the lager. They keep escaping under the wire and breaking into Kiwiblog.
        
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        November 29, 2017 10:59pm
RF

It’s pub talk but a group of us were discussing the current state of affairs.

It was agreed that Labour is like a drunken sailer that just won lotto. Spend spend spend…

When it’s all gone they will borrow borrow borrow and then leave the mess for National. It could take 2 terms as punters will be offered goodies in the interim.

We all agreed that it is most unlikely that Ardern will last the first term as by her own admission she is highly stressed and this is also supported by her recent gaunt facial expressions that makes her look rat shit. Hell its early days and she’s flip flopping all over the place.

We need a strong PM, not a school girl out of her depth.
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November 29, 2017 8:47pm
- realityczech
  
  Goes to the pub. Picks on sailors for enjoying a drink too 🙂
  
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  November 29, 2017 9:44pm
  - RF
    
    Nice one cobber
    
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    November 29, 2017 10:27pm
Monique Watson

Time for a sheep joke or two, methinks:

What do you call a Kiwi with a hundred lovers?
A shepherd

Why does New Zealand have some of the fastest race horses in the world? Because the horses have seen what they do with their sheep
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November 29, 2017 8:53pm
Jack5

From the web site, Convictcreations.com, an Aussie joke about us! It’s set in the days when H1 was still Prime Minister of NZ,

Helen Clarke, Prime Minister of New Zulland, is rudely awoken at 4am by the telephone.

“Hillen, its the Hilth Munister here. Sorry to bother you at this hour but there is an emergency! I’ve just received word thet the Durex fectory en Auckland has burned to the ground. It is istimated thet the entire New Zulland supply of condoms will be gone by the ind of the week.”

PM: “Shut – the economy wull niver be able to cope with all those unwanted babies – wi’ll be ruined!”

Hilth Munister: “We’re going to hef to shup some in from abroad… Brutain?…”

PM: “No chence!! The Poms will have a field day on thus one!”

Hilth Munister: “What about Australia?”

PM: “Maybe – but we don’t want them to know thet we are stuck.”

Hilth Munister: “You call John Howard – tell hum we need one moollion condoms; ten enches long and eight enches thuck! That way they’ll know how bug the Kiwis really are!!”

Helen calls John, who agrees to help the Kiwis out in their hour of need.

Three days later a plane arrives in Auckland – full of boxes.

A delighted Hillen rushes out to open the boxes. She finds condoms; 10 unches long; 8 unches thuck, all coloured green and gold. She then notices in small writing on each and ivery one………

MADE IN AUSTRALIA – SIZE : MEDIUM
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November 29, 2017 9:34pm
Jack5

Just for EAD and TeamKea, a great scene with their hero, Adenoid Hynkel, welcoming Benzino Napolini …

https://youtu.be/VXQv-6CXf1g
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November 29, 2017 10:02pm
- Jack5
  
  And then Adneoid’s talk with Benzino:
  
  https://youtu.be/Wb2YIDWuC5U
  
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  November 29, 2017 10:09pm
  - realityczech
    
    Jacksie I know you hate the gentiles and often call for their extermination and persecution.
    
    However Hitler was a staunch Christian nationalist and an authoritarian. I am a libertarian atheist race mixer.
    
    The Rabbi who radicalised you has created an enemy in your mind.
    
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    November 29, 2017 10:19pm
  - Jack5
    
    Realityczech….
    
    If you lie down with dogs, you get fleas.
    
    If you lie down with parrots, such as keas, you get psittacosis.
    
    A symptom in humans is sensitivity to light, so the infected person will be most active late in the evening.
    
    TeamKea may be infecting all of us with Chlamydia psittaci.
    
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    November 29, 2017 11:08pm
Left Right and Centre

Celebrating diversity, with ya old cobber LRC . . .

You’re at an Asian shop because they sell cheap broccoli. It’s an Asian shop. Nothing but Asians. Oh well – won’t have to talk to anyone at least.

‘You must really like that eh’ ?
Even in the Asian shop – there’s some old white bedraggled lunatic loitering around empty-handed. Where did he materialise from ?
You just can’t win.
Fuckin moron – seven heads of broccoli – that’s only one per day. It’s nothing. Noddy had a look of ‘half way through alien anal probe’.
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November 29, 2017 10:22pm
- Jack5
  
  Perhaps the old whitie was being sarcastic, LRC?
  
  He might have assumed you hated broccoli but were on a health kick, juicing it and drinking the stuff prodigiously.
  
  But someone’s got to be pretty bored if they are studying what others are buying in a fruit and vegetables store.
  
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  November 29, 2017 11:14pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    You’d have to see him and hear him of course.
    Nah – he was just an old fart.
    Barriers lights and bells – but not train.
    Ok – he had scroungy grey trackpants and some kind of flannel blue black collar shirt.
    Medium bird’s nest beard.
    Zombie.
    I threw it back at him – and what are you buying here ?
    ‘I haven’t decided yet’ as he walked away looking away. Yeah right. Obviously buying farking nothing.
    Just trust me. I’ve seen them all many a time.
    Imagine a very slow thick sounding voice – that sounds like a bloke talking while blowing a note on a milk bottle.
    Not shopping – a sadcase making mindless comments. I’m onto them like *that*. I’m not a social service for these dicks that fill in their whole day lurking with nothing better to do.
    
    I had my back to this idiot when I heard the comment, what’s he doing just standing around against a wall in a vegetable chiller area – how bloody stupid – idiot. There’s a lot of them out there.
    
    There was no perhaps about anything. Just the incredibly painfully obvious.
    
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    November 30, 2017 12:19am
Jack5

Radio NZ tries to soften the actions of Golriz Ghahraman.

An article on the Radio NZ web site is headlined as an analysis by Alex Perrottet, described as Morning Report producer and a lawyer to boot.

Back in the day, such articles of personal views were called opinion pieces. Now they are “analyses”. Same cake, richer icing.

The State radio national programme really is Labour Radio.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/on-the-inside/345032/golriz-and-the-politics-of-perception
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November 29, 2017 11:27pm
Manolo

Another MSM pervert is fired:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/29/media/matt-lauer/index.html

Matt Lauer was fired from NBC News on Wednesday after an employee filed a complaint about “inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace,” the network announced.
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November 30, 2017 6:46am
Manolo

The old gizzard is a threat:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/28/us/politics/republican-victory-may-rest-once-again-with-mccain-this-time-on-taxes.html
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