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waikatogirl

Twitford this morning has questioned why the National Govt did not release a transport report stating Kiwi rail was worth $1.5b to the economy. Twitford has this morning accused National of not being pro-rail and wanting people die in road accidents instead of increasing commuter rail travel. Twitford states his government will be building the commuter rail network to increase safe travel.

Judith Collins says in reply that the report was commissioned by Kiwi Rail so it is up to Kiwi Rail if they release their findings. Nothing to do with the previous government.

Super Twit strikes-out again. ?
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November 27, 2017 8:00am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Imagine how much more it would be worth if we converted all their lines to roads, farmland and industrial use.
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:13am
  - cmm
    
    Quite. The 1850s sent a telegram. They want their transport technology back.
    
    Rail is great where there are high populations (or at least high population densities) or high volumes of goods all wanting to go in the same direction at the same time.
    
    NZ has none of those. On top of that we have these pesky things called earthquakes which mean we need flexibility. Centralised rail transport does not work for us.
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:36am
    - Boris Piscina
      
      Have no fear. The Greens will give us flying light rail cars, made from sustainable plantation wood, pulled by unicorns with wings. Make that vegan unicorns.
      
      Hurrah!
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:47am
- ztev
  
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  Commissioned by Kiwirail ? But blocked by the ministers office
  
  “KiwiRail caved in to pressure from Simon Bridge’s office, which didn’t want the business case for a proposed Auckland rail line to be released, despite initially insisting the document legally had to be made public.
  
  Mr Bridges’ staff complained to a number of senior officials at KiwiRail saying the minister was extremely uncomfortable with the report’s proposed release. KiwiRail then decided to withhold it.
  https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/334323/kiwirail-refuses-to-release-emails-on-blocked-report
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:35am
  - KevOB
    
    You cite Radio NZ as an authoritative source?
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:59am
    - ztev
      
      They have a web site ! The details came via emails released under OIA.
      Bridges was notorious for this sort of thing and Collins veracity ?
      She was famous for making up a big story saying ‘it was on the way to the airport’
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:35am
      - KevOB
        
        Your defense speaks for its bias.
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:37pm
    - Ross12
      
      I have agree with ztec on this one (except for his Cillins “on the way to the airport” BS).
      It seems the report was commissioned by NZTA and was done in 2016. Why Bridge’s would stop a discussion on it , I don’t know.
      I think the $1.5Bill in saving could be argued against quite strongly, from the few summary comments made in the article.
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:01am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Welcome back ztev! think we are all going to derive great amusement from your CoL apologetics over the next 1-3 years 🙂
    
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    November 27, 2017 1:10pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  “accused National of not being pro-rail and wanting people die in road accidents”
  
  That sounds like defamation. Did he actually use those words?
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:46am
- Piniwi
  
  Funny waikatogirl when we see the supposed results of this in-house report as now revealed seems to have been the result of a preconceived outcome. Garbage in only results in garbage out with the $1.5 billion saving looking like the aesthetic result won the day.
  
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  November 27, 2017 6:13pm
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November 27, 2017 8:01am
- Dave_1924
  
  Don’t click the link just pictures of Jacinda…. idiot
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:03am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yes she is.
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:03am
  - backster
    
    Are they nudies?
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:09am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I don’t know, all I saw was teeth, sort of like Jaws.
      
      I will be frightened to go into the water all summer again!
      
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      November 27, 2017 8:14am
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Hey Dave – I voted two ticks blue and this is a right wing blog. Go ahead – try and hate me.
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:58am
- starboard
  
  Nice hair..
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:04am
- RalphT
  
  Excellent. And a smart idea to hide it from the word go; some hearts couldn’t have stood the sight of a couple of hundred Jacindas; especially just after breakfast.
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:07am
- softail 1450
  
  LRC,,,,,,I especially like the farmyard shot ,that would be your favourite as well aye ??
  didn’t your folks warn you of the possible “”eye damage” ,fool?
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:29am
- RF
  
  More ivory there than on a herd of elephants.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:00am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Clever 🙂
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:01am
- Fletch
  
  Hidden due to high PM rating. Click Here To See
  
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  November 27, 2017 12:27pm
cas

Jacinda, when being pressed by Mike Hosking this am on conflicting stances on Pike river, said I’m calling out this conversation, it’s ridiculous. Pressure getting to her???????
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November 27, 2017 8:07am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Just hard defending idiots and hipocrasy.
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:15am
- Souvlaki
  
  The whole interview seemed characterised by devious evasion.! How anyone could think she is “the answer” is beyond me.Sad reflection on NZ☹!
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:19am
  - ztev
    
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    Take one each day with food, your derangement syndrome should be in remission for a while
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:37am
    - Linda Reid
      
      http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/ardern-says-its-best-for-americas-cup-to-remain-in-nz/
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:09am
    - KevOB
      
      I’ve got just the mouthwash for you with a little origanum vulgare in it.
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:36am
    - redeye
      
      This blog must be having an effect if ztev has been reemployed to run diversions.
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:18am
      - Harkman
        
        What? A Labour lackey on Kiwiblog running diversions from their catastrophic dog’s breakfast of a government, no never.
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:02am
- redeye
  
  So I can listen on their archives what time was this interview please?
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:39am
  - matchbox
    
    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/ardern-says-its-best-for-americas-cup-to-remain-in-nz/
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:43am
  - matchbox
    
    8.38am
    
    http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/ardern-says-its-best-for-americas-cup-to-remain-in-nz/
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:08am
    - ztev
      
      of course while negotiations are under way, nothing is going to be said.
      Rich people having fun, Hosking wants it yesterday !
      
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      November 27, 2017 11:51am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Man, I just can’t bring myself to do it. Her evasiveness and the audible gummy grin after each horrible/evasive statement always make me so angry…
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:53am
- pdm
  
  Hosking had her on toast!!!
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:45am
  - ztev
    
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    For 9 years he was Keys biggest fanboy….. and used to get Keys daily ‘cheat sheet briefing’ on issues of the day . No longer so he has to think for himself.
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:56am
    - pdm
      
      ` No longer so he has to think for himself.’
      
      Hosking definitely did the thinking for himself a long way better than Comrade Taxinda did this morning.
      
      She was an embarrassment as she tried to fudge the issues.
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:48am
    - Lance
      
      You do realize you are just talking shit right ztev?
      
      Key bad, Hosking bad… Jacinda perfect
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:56am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Ztev, are you not up to speed with modern politics? The Monday morning interviews are used by the PM (Labour or National) to spin their agenda for the week. But the process seems to have gone off the rails for Taxcinda, because she was the one who told us she has no reason to lie. Her (& her spin gurus) problem is she provided everybody with an open target, & they are finding it a soft target.
      
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      November 27, 2017 11:27am
      - ztev
        
        You dont remember this ?
        
        “In Parliament last week, John Key claimed that Standard and Poor’s had said that if there was a change of Government then a ‘downgrade would be much more likely’. Today under questioning from Labour and journalists, he admitted that statement was a lie.”
        
        Didnt get the Standard anywhere by keeping a ‘master list of John Keys lies’, why do you think it will work for you.
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:55am
      - sooty
        
        Get with the times ztev! Keys been gone for yonks! Wake up!
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:07pm
      - ztev
        
        Key was once a ‘new’ PM with no previous experience even as a minister- its a good comparison.
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:13pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Ztev:
        
        In Parliament last week, John Key claimed that Standard and Poor’s had said that if there was a change of Government then a ‘downgrade would be much more likely’. Today under questioning from Labour and journalists, he admitted that statement was a lie.
        
        As usual, you didn’t provide a link for your quote, but I went and looked it up. Imagine my surprise when I discovered it’s a Labour Party press release. You should be embarrassed that you can’t find a proper source to support your flimsy “admitted” and “a lie” assertions!
        
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        November 27, 2017 6:29pm
- KevOB
  
  Taxinda’s lost without her script. Deviation she cannot manage. The brain of an ideologue.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:03am
  - GazzaW
    
    Too early in the morning for H2 to have given her the daily briefing and cheat sheet?
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:08am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    A shame really.
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:47am
- RF
  
  Is she for real ?
  
  A total flip flop of previous statements / promises.
  
  I can see why H2 is worried about letting her out alone without a chaperone.
  
  She is so out of her depth in the real world and will be agonising about her inapt performance this morning.
  
  She is going to get eaten during question time.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:15am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Thanks for reminding me to stock up on popcorn today. QT starts 2pm tomorrow right?
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:19am
    - GazzaW
      
      Correct WG and with the long recess coming up you can bet your bottom dollar that the Nats will want to make every question count. Jacinda, Robbo, Twitford, “Dr” Clark and Kelvin are all assured of a at least a couple of doozies apiece.
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:29am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Thank you cas for flagging this, I just went and listened to the segment and it was a pretty weak effort by the PM – lots of flim flam and walking stuff backwards.
  
  The “calling out” comment at the end was utterly childish in my view,
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:31am
  - VicParking
    
    Went from a Goal to a Policy to a Aspiration all in three minutes.
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:59am
- cmm
  
  ” Pressure getting to her???????”
  
  Please… she has not faced any pressure yet.
  
  Wait until she has to really step up to do something shitty that is a PM’s duty.
  
  Something like:
  1) A man-made or natural disaster.
  2) Some body bags coming back from Somewhere-istan.
  
  Can’t selfie your way out of that!
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:39am
  - ztev
    
    Body bags ? We dont have combat troops overseas, they are only ‘training inside the wire’ , or that was the version given by Key/English/Brownlee. We will see ?
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:57am
    - GazzaW
      
      …..and confirmed by Little post his visit to Iraq.
      
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      November 27, 2017 3:14pm
    - cmm
      
      ztev: Don’t be such a numptie.
      
      Troops “inside the wire” get blown up in rocket attacks, suicide attacks, IEDs, training accidents and die in aircraft and truck crashes. Being inside the wire isn’t a guarantee of getting home intact.
      
      Heck, every year or two we even lose soldiers during training inside NZ.
      
      We might not have combat troops overseas right now, but there’s a reasonable chance that we need to send some somewhere during the next three years.
      
      But you might have missed the “something like” bit. ie. some serious issue that needs handling that is unpleasant to deal with, but falls on her as her duty to do.
      
      She’s taken on the “The Buck Stops Here” office, but she’s really only up to handling selfies with Bambi.
      
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      November 27, 2017 5:12pm
- alloytoo
  
  “I’m calling out this conversation”
  
  What the hell is that supposed to mean?
  
  Does she talk this way to Turnbull, or Trump or May?
  
  We may be in deeper than we thought.
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:30am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    “I’m calling out this conversation”
    I’ve no idea what it means, either… so I decided to Google it
    
    here’s something from Princeton University about calling out
    https://umatter.princeton.edu/respect/addressing-disrespect
    
    I’m sure it will be as clear as mud to you when you read it
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:40am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I suspect Cindy expected RESPECT to come with the office of PM, and she would be cushioned from criticism, but Cindy is learning that respect has to be earned.
      
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      November 27, 2017 11:49am
      - cmm
        
        That would be the same respect she showed Trump and the office of the US President…. errrr not quite!
        
        https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/322798/nz-leads-marches-for-women%27s-rights
        
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        November 27, 2017 5:16pm
  - VicParking
    
    She’s as deep as a car park puddle.
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:01am
  - Rich Prick
    
    I think “calling out” a “conversation” is code for refusing to answer questions. I suppose it’s marginally better than lying.
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:21am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Communication speak?
      
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      November 27, 2017 1:16pm
  - KKKKatee
    
    It will be interesting going forward how many times she pulls the “I’m calling out this conversation” trick when she’s boxed into a corner and doesn’t like the tone of the ‘conversation’. I think she is exposing her weak spots now and it will be game on for interviewers who know how to rattle her….
    Bring it on, I say……
    
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    November 27, 2017 12:55pm
    - GazzaW
      
      I wonder whether she will be game enough to continue the tradition of hour long interviews with Leighton Smith. It wasnt a problem for Clark, Key and English but they were street smart and intelligent.
      
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      November 27, 2017 3:12pm
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    It’s “youth-adjacent” cool speech. You know, like hanging with the cool cats. If you speak like the cool cats someone might mistake you for one. Hopefully.
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:00pm
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NZ’s new housing minister outlines widespread housing reforms – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/nzs-new-housing-minister-outlines-widespread-housing-reforms/

I noted in the lead-up to the New Zealand General Election, held on 23 September, that Labour had an excellent housing platform that addresses both supply and demand distortions via negative gearing reform, banning foreign buyers of existing homes, tighter capital gains taxes, removal of urban growth boundaries, plus bond financing for infrastructure. Its plan to reduce immigration by around a third is also sound, and would help to relieve chronic housing and infrastructure pressures, especially around Auckland. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Note extensive background material at the just updated archival website …

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/index.html

http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/General.html
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November 27, 2017 8:10am
- Harkman
  
  Hugh, Labour’s wholesale copying of Australia’s ban on foreigners buying existing homes will actually make things worse, especially in New Zealand. Interestingly, the best refutation came from leftie economist Steve Keen, who pointed out that this policy shut off the supply of newly built homes to local buyers. Australia is more expensive than New Zealand for housing. Essentially foreigners get to buy the new nice warm houses, while the locals get trapped in the old houses. Because Australia is so warm heating isn’t a problem but in NZ this is a serious issue. Older homes tend to be less earthquake proof too. If the government is eventually going to have to spend billions bailing out leaky home buyers, this is going to cost taxpayers a fortune as new house prices will continue to converge with world big city real Estate prices while a separate New Zealand price will emerge for old damp working class houses. Under Labour New Zealanders can live in a new house, but your neighbours will be the Mongrel mob.
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:24am
Paulus

Dear Mr Twitford
Sad that you think that we are as stupid as you in regard to your delay in building 100,000 cheap houses.
I am told that your Departmental Incoming Minister briefing contained all the figures you want but perhaps they are too complicated for your level of understanding and competence.
So you do what – get three well known activists spend hundreds of thousands of dollars and get the meaning less result you want.
The figures will be fraudulently presented as fact.
Despite it being only the views of the activist committee.
In the meantime you will do sweet FA in the delay in even look at getting your dream houses going.
Today the Labour Kiwibuild Deficit is 880 Houses uncompleted, even started.
It is sad that you have continued the politicisation of the Salvation Army which is now a fully blown left wing activist organisation. For tens of years my family financially gave good support to them, but have now ceased, as in many cases they do good work, but as a political left wing whingers we are no longer interested in supporting them. Sad but !
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November 27, 2017 8:11am
- Poppa
  
  Bang on Paulus. I too supported them but no more.
  
  They do some fine work but should keep well out of politics. Sadly by coupling their wagon to the Labour horse they will lose a lot more support
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:14am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy interviewed by DGarner on TV3 this morning.
  I previously posted this on the BIM thread:
  
  Cindy says they are building 1,000 houses a year. Liarbor’s electioneering number promised 10,000, or was it 100,000 houses built annually and they were adamant National were not building enough houses.
  Eh?
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:30am
- oldgolfer
  
  Couldn’t agree more about the Salvos. My contribution has long since stopped.
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:41am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    Further Pavletich comment on Macrbusiness Au thread above …
    
    NZ’s new housing minister outlines widespread housing reforms – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/nzs-new-housing-minister-outlines-widespread-housing-reforms/
    
    It seems speculators / land – bankers realize this new Labour Government means what it says on urban limits abolition and the introduction of bond financing for infrastructure … if this recent RBNZ poll reported by Interest Co NZ is any guide …
    
    The latest RBNZ survey of house price expectations brings a sharp dive in those seeing gains in the future. In fact capital gains may have vanished; the risk is now to the downside … David Chaston … Interest Co NZ
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90954/latest-rbnz-survey-house-price-expectations-brings-sharp-dive-those-seeing-gains-future
    
    This has been an extremely long winded process of evolutionary change, with the consent of the governed, that started back in early 2005, when the first Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey was released.
    
    Back early 2011 I outlined in the Sydney Morning Herald and The Age, why the Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Surveys are important …
    
    Report; Housing affordability out of sync with incomes
    
    https://www.domain.com.au/news/report-housing-affordability-out-of-sync-with-incomes-20110202-1ad3m/
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:13am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Removing Auckland’s urban boundary could put lifestyle block values under downward pressure | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91013/removing-aucklands-urban-boundary-could-put-lifestyle-block-values-under-downward
      
      Auckland’s lifestyle block market may be facing a particularly difficult summer.
      
      An indication of potential trouble lies within the Real Estate Institute’s latest commentary on the rural property market.
      
      “Advice provided indicates a high level of listings in areas on the fringe of Auckland City, with the anticipation of increasing sales to come,” its commentary on the lifestyle block market said.
      
      That increase in listings is coming at an interesting time. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      November 27, 2017 2:56pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      NZ housing reforms to kill the land bankers … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/nz-housing-reforms-kill-land-bankers/
      
      Six years ago, I penned an article entitled Why developers land bank, which attempted to explain the drivers and motivations for land banking.
      
      Included in this article was the argument that land banking is more common in markets with regulatory barriers to land supply, such as urban growth boundaries (UGB), because this restricts competition from adjacent land owners on the wrong side of the UGB.
      
      By contrast, by removing the UGB, competition from adjacent land owners would increase, in turn making land banking particularly risky since another nearby owner would always have the opportunity to move to the market ahead of the land banker. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      November 27, 2017 3:08pm
  - Harkman
    
    True, if you check it out I think you will find that the Salvation Army was purposefully started by Fabian Socialists.
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:28am
    - Kimbo
      
      Um, where did you get that from? William and Katey Booth drew a lot of opposition for their new and radical mission methods, and there may be some overlap in their views and the later policies of the British Labour Party, but they were – and are – first and foremost a Christian church.
      
      The Salvation Army was founded in London’s East End in 1865 by one-time Methodist Reform Church minister William Booth and his wife Catherine as the East London Christian Mission. The name “The Salvation Army” developed from an incident on 19 and 20 May. William Booth was dictating a letter to his secretary George Scott Railton and said, “We are a volunteer army.” Bramwell Booth heard his father and said, “Volunteer! I’m no volunteer, I’m a regular!” Railton was instructed to cross out the word “volunteer” and substitute the word “salvation”. The Salvation Army was modelled after the military, with its own flag (or colours) and its own hymns, often with words set to popular and folkloric tunes sung in the pubs. Booth and the other soldiers in “God’s Army” would wear the Army’s own uniform, for meetings and ministry work. He became the “General” and his other ministers were given appropriate ranks as “officers”. Other members became “soldiers”.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Salvation_Army
      
      whereas
      
      The Fabian Society founded the London School of Economics and Political Science in 1895 “for the betterment of society”.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society
      
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      November 27, 2017 12:09pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Not just the Salvation Army. A recent church sign I saw (Anglican): “#500 refugees now! Refugees enrich us” or some such bull. Totally clueless about what is happening in Europe.
    
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    November 27, 2017 12:01pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Totally clueless about what is happening in Europe.
      
      Ho hum. Emphatic adverb alert. But not about the imperatives of the gospel (and seeing you called out the Anglicans let’s have the traditional Old Testament/Gospels/Epistles readings! 😉 :
      
      When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God. (Leviticus 19:33-34)
      
      For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me (Matthew 25:35)
      
      Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers, for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. (Hebrews 13:2)
      
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      November 27, 2017 12:17pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Yes, K: they’re probably very naive about islamists.
        
        I’m not a christian, so if some believers here would like to comment, I’ll leave it to them.
        
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        November 27, 2017 1:29pm
      - Kimbo
        
        More to the point, given their beliefs/priorities, why are you surprised at what they said?
        
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        November 27, 2017 4:50pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Not surprised in the least. Just widening the scope from Salvation Army.
        
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        November 27, 2017 7:14pm
flipper

The Peters/Ardern Regime is already ridiculous…. as is the Auckland, anti-W English campaign.

It seems clear that the promoters of the toxic Auckland MP have not read Lord Archer.
The anti- W English – pro J Collins campaign can be summed up by the following quote from Jeffrey Archer’s Clifton series book, “Cometh the Hour”:
…. In politics its never wise to let anyone know what you want. That is the quickest way to make enemies and detractors…… “
Perhaps the boosters of the toxic one think they know more about politics than Archer.
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November 27, 2017 8:12am
- dime
  
  judith is still too toxic. shes years away from being leadership material.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:18am
  - All_on_Red
    
    She’s brilliant though. Her work so far has been great at poking holes through Labour.
    But I suspect she knows full well she has missed her chance to be PM.
    So who will replace Bill?
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:38am
    - cmm
      
      There are some highly capable people in National that could step up easily.
      
      Keep an eye on Adams. She’s only 46 but has a wealth of experience inside and outside of politics.
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:45am
    - Ross12
      
      Why is everyone talking about replacing Bill? He’s doing OK, in my view. So Cameron Slater doesn’t like him –that’s absolutely no reason to be even thinking about about , let alone talking about it.
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:05am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I don’t think Bill needs to step down yet. He’s great in the chamber and has a wealth of knowledge.
        But he’s not going to contest the next Election as leader is he.
        I don’t think he will be pushed but will retire anyway.
        So that means their next leader probably has to be in place by 2019.
        I’m not anti Bill English- I’m just being practical.
        
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        November 27, 2017 10:37am
      - Ross12
        
        Why would he not contest the next election?
        If he decides not to, then I’m sure they will have a planned transition –generally speaking National is quite good at leadership changes.
        
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        November 27, 2017 10:46am
      - VicParking
        
        If WO does not like him thats good enough for me to want him to remain PM.
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:04am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ross
        Bill entered Parliament in 1990. By 2020 that’s 30 years.
        Thats enough. Time for a new face. I think he will recognise that too. Besides why shouldn’t he be allowed to retire and enjoy the rest of his life away from Parliament
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:33am
      - Ross12
        
        All_on_Red
        No disagreement there. I was just picking you up on your emphatic point :
        “But he’s not going to contest the next Election as leader is he.”
        I agree he might retire, but that is his decision.
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:10pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        That’s just politics. Doesn’t matter who it is.
        If you’re in opposition – think about it.
        
        Who is more likely to go ?
        Bill or mother jacinda ?
        
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        November 28, 2017 5:27am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Ardern is a lifetime away from leadership material – yet she sits in Premier House!
    
    Not really the point, the only thing that counts is who has the numbers.
    
    Bill currently does (obviously or he’d be gone)
    Bridges doesn’t (otherwise he’d have pushed the button) the problem is he’s smug, stinks of entitlement and self-satisfaction – he’s not going to get others falling in line behind him
    – Adams – no love for her
    – Kaye – is vain and loathed
    … which just leaves the most effective MP on the cross benches and someone who has worked to support the backbenchers……
    
    Despite the fawning on KB. Bill is a two time loser. The whispering campaign is already underway. He’s a dead-man walking.
    
    Who will get the numbers first? Everything else is immaterial – including the ‘feelings’ of the Bill acolytes here.
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:39am
    - All_on_Red
      
      McLay or even Simpson
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:39am
    - GazzaW
      
      “the whispering campaign is already underway”
      
      Sources please DP. Or are the whispers so quiet that they are non existent?
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:41am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        GazzaW – where do you think this pile of crap came from. If this doesn’t look like part of a whispering campaign, then nothing does. Then there’s this or this etc etc etc.
        
        All those journos made mention of leadership change in National….
        
        Choose to see what’s going on or join the rest of the ostriches with their heads in the sand.
        
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        November 27, 2017 2:34pm
  - cmm
    
    Is Judith really toxic? The Crusher appeals to many people.
    
    Regardless, the National front bench are all streets ahead of any of the Labour front bench.
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:43am
    - Morrissey
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      In answer to your question: yes, she is indeed toxic.
      
      Your two statements are both ridiculously false.
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:48am
      - pdm
        
        Morrissey – toxic to you because she is streets ahead of anyone the left has as far as capability is concerned.
        
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        November 27, 2017 10:47am
      - Duxton
        
        Sorry, how is she toxic?
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:37am
    - treadingthemill
      
      I would not call her toxic myself cmm, but I question whether or not her appeal is wide enough to win an election, and she comes with some past baggage.
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:39am
      - Paulus
        
        The media have determined Collins is toxic because she is more clever than most of them.
        Or even all of them.
        
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        November 27, 2017 1:36pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      The left are scared of Judith taking charge, hence the vitriol they throw her way.
      
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      November 27, 2017 11:54am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Crushed the nail right on the head waikatogirl!
        
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        November 27, 2017 2:37pm
      - sam green
        
        “The left are scared of Judith taking charge, hence the vitriol they throw her way.”
        
        Really – so people throw vitriol when they’re scared of someone being in charge? Ok. Got it.
        
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        November 27, 2017 8:52pm
  - GazzaW
    
    JC makes for a top Cabinet Minister but she’s too outspoken and divisive for the leadership role. Whether she recognises that or not will determine her future in politics.
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:38am
oldpark

Just been reading comments from the pest for all seasons and reasons a guy called Peters. He has commented in the last few days on Zimbabwe and Egypt.
Maybe he should start looking at the “Coalition of Chaos” in NZ ,which he has allowed to be formed.
There is a complete lack of democratic procedure being played out. by the so called Peters selected new Government.
Clowns like Twyford,and Hipkins daily run off at the mouth making statements about things such as Housing and Education policies that they seem to know very little about.
As for NZs so called democratic process and procedure of Parliamentary traditions,the whole lot is a shambles and a complete indictment of power hunger MPs quite happy to trample over the expectations of NZs as a first world country.
History will record pests like Peters as the de facto PM of NZ. What a sad Legacy for the elder statesman who never was,or never could be.
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November 27, 2017 8:18am
- ztev
  
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  Have you not seen the Australian parliament number after last election
  ALP 69 seats
  Liberal party 45 seats
  Liberal National Party of Qld 21 seats
  National party 10 seats
  Country Liberal Party ( NT) 0 – they previously had 1
  
  Is that the coalition of losers, as the largest party didnt form the government ?
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:53am
  - oldpark
    
    Wonder how we all survived when you got dumped for two months for telling lies. Seems you are still not listening or reading. What part of what is not happening in NZ by the Peters selected “Coalition of Chaos” which is now bordering on a form of dictatorship with so many jackboot Ministers out of their minds and heads like they were” selected” into their positions, when Peters actually made them bullies like him and sounds like you as well. .It is pests like you that are sneaky one eyed liars and part of the lefty pest brigade who are keen to destroy the well being of NZ. Go and do something useful,in your life ,other than lying about every comment on Kiwiblog.
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:16am
    - ztev
      
      So you are saying those werent the results of the Australian election where the largest party didnt ‘win’ ?
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:29am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Really. You reference Australian politics and expect us to draw any other conclusion than firstly Australia has for years been wandering the desert, lost and searching for stable, sensible government, and secondly that the current cluster fuck, no matter what its stripe, are any better?
    
    Thankfully thinking adults look past colour and tribe ztev. All we ask is for competence at worst, leadership at best. Your current rabble are being widely perceived as a right shower. I wonder why that is?
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:27am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Look over there! A squirrel!
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:33am
    - GazzaW
      
      ……and surprise, surprise it’s a red squirrel.
      
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      November 27, 2017 11:08am
  - Harkman
    
    Come on ztev, that is a nonsense argument. They are all one party. Just as Labour and Greens are really one party (the Greens are the protest arm of the Labour party). In New Zealand, the Conservatives and the Liberals merged together to form the National Party to fight the Marxist Labour party, in Australia they never officially did this in name.
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:37am
Nostradamus

Has anyone seen that Notsofast chap?

‘Fresh evidence’ in new appeal for convicted Sounds double-murderer Scott Watson

A new appeal has been lodged on behalf of convicted killer Scott Watson with fresh evidence challenging the “two hair theory” that helped seal his conviction. … The new appeal includes a report by forensic scientist Sean Doyle which calls into question whether the hairs were really Hope’s, and criticises the way the evidence was handled. Watson’s father, Chris Watson, said he and his son had read the forensic report and fully backed the appeal.

I wonder if he’s taken on this case. After all, he’s got a bit of time on his hands while he waits for the Court of Appeal’s Lundy decision…
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November 27, 2017 8:18am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The person involved with gathering up information for this appeal is Brian McDonald… not Notsofast.
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/344754/watson-appeal-hair-samples-would-be-strongly-challenged
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:45am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy:
    
    I know who Notsofast is – not going to “out” him though. He promised to share an open letter with us about the Lundy case, last week I think it was, but hasn’t followed through yet.
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:57am
    - Notsofast
      
      There is good faith involved in these message boards. I have offered, via David Farrar, to help anyone with the case facts in Lundy. One of the current facts is that his conviction is in the process of being overturned. The interesting question is how compensation will be dealt with. Helen Clarke was active in securing the release of the late Rex Haig because the facts clearly showed he was innocent. As Ardern’s mentor, it is not surprising what is proceeding now in the justice arena. However, Phil Goff and Judith Colllins turned on Peter Ellis after being sworn as justice ministers.
      I see no obvious reason yet to trust Andrew Little.
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:32am
      - Jack5
        
        Notsofast says:
        
        One of the current facts is that his conviction is in the process of being overturned.
        
        Really?
        
        And compensation for killing two people?
        
        Do you really think so?
        
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        November 27, 2017 8:16pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Who is Brian McDonald? Is he trying to be the new Joe Karam?
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:13am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/99273873/convicted-murderer-behind-scott-watson-appeal
    
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    November 27, 2017 2:26pm
    - Jack5
      
      Criminals, jail house lawyers and the other kind trying to take taxpayers to the cleaners.
      
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      November 27, 2017 8:20pm
- Paulus
  
  I did not realise that the hair was not found on Watson’s boat but three months later in a laboratory – where could it have have come from ? and could be tainted.
  Ok Inspector Pope – now retired
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:50am
  - Viking2
    
    Yep, was a late exhibit that came from nowhere.
    
    Pope was/is evil.
    
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    November 27, 2017 12:35pm
    - RF
      
      I heard Rob Pope on NewsTalk ZB today. He now works for some cyber security outfit.
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:29pm
- Notsofast
  
  I find the Scott Watson case interesting. It seems that Andrew Little is being asked to consider whether a blanket removed from Watson’s boat would yield 390 hairs to 7.5 centimeters initially, and then at a time after Olivia’s reference hairs arrived at the ESR laboratory yield two blonde hairs of 15 and 25 centimeters. Can anyone clarify if these facts are in dispute?
  Judith Collins was advised by Kristy MacDonald that the two hairs proved Olivia was on his boat, so he killed them. Collins accordingly dismissed his RPOM in a godlike manner befitting her self proclaimed status. Does Judith Collins consider the act of removing 390 hairs with tweezers is a thorough search, or a once over lightly? What does the reasonable man/woman believe?
  In my view the hairs are a red herring, and prove that the ESR laboratory is a chaotic mess.
  It is a grave concern that forensic standards in New Zealand are under the international spotlight and no one in authority is noticing.
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:24am
Sofia

Pike River, still
A YouTube item, “Leaked Audio from Pike River”, easy enough to find when that phrase was entered in the YouTube Search Panel, now seems to be missing.

It was a recording of several communications from inside the mine on the morning of the initial tragedy, as a number of incidents occurred – increased gas release but no means to measure it, gas-activated detectors shutting machinery down, and equipment breakdowns other than that.

Can any knowledgable person explain, apart from the motivation of a $13,000 bonus, why 31 men continued to work in the mine that day, with the incidents occurring as recorded, and as similar events had been happening for at least two weeks?

“[The explosion] was totally preventable, and totally avoidable. It was a gross act of corporate negligence. And they still don’t have all the answers about what really happened, I’m privileged to have the job of doing the best I can to fulfil that promise.”
– Andrew Little, the Minister Responsible for Pike River Re-entry, in handing the keys to the mine access road to the Pike River families.

Re-entry, if it happens, may reveal a cause of the disaster, but it will remarkable if such evidence is found in the drift.

However, if “… it was a gross act of corporate negligence”, the men knew but continued to work in that environment. They “had known of serious safety breaches underground before the disaster”.

So another matter, touched on by Little’s “totally avoidable”, will remain as unexplained as it has been now for seven years –
Why were 31 men still in the mine when the disaster occurred?
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November 27, 2017 8:23am
- VicParking
  
  Little was the involved unions’s leader who on numerous occasions stated the mine was safe. I’m sure that if there was any risk he would have pulled the workers out of the mine long before the day concerned. Andrew would not have let the miners greed for money overide safety. Anyway he is now in charge of the process so I’m sure he will conduct the $23+ million investigation to get the result the unions are looking for.
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:38am
- ztev
  
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  Where did Little, as head of the EPMU, say it was safe.
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/union-eyes-wider-inquiry-mine-safety
  “Two years ago, the union called not only for worker participation in safety mechanisms for underground mining but also supported the concept of a safety case regime: operators would have to document their safety management systems and get approval from the department before they operated.
  Pike River said at the time that check inspectors were “totally inappropriate and not required”.
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:48am
  - softail 1450
    
    ztev , how much time did you get taken off for good behaviour ztev ?
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:54am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Let’s not forget that the mine shaft was dug ‘uphill’ (the only such mine in the world) because the Greenies wouldn’t allow a road to go further into their precious bush and the whole thing was signed off by the Clark Government despite it being well known that methane flows uphill.
    It was a time bomb from day one.
    If blame is to be distributed, lets include the politicians in charge at the time.
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:00am
    - KevOB
      
      It only takes a modestly open minded brain to discern that any mining engineer would have considered such a mine proposal as too dangerous to proceed. Methane has been known for a long time.
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:11am
    - waikatogirl
      
      And apparently vetoed an extra air vent shaft.
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:22am
      - ztev
        
        Never vetoed a second shaft, Pike River just didnt follow their obligations
        
        Pike River Royal Commission
        ‘In April 2010 an inspector told the mine manager that the [air]shaft, although technically compliant, was not a suitable emergency escapeway. In August DOL advised Pike by letter that a new egress was required ‘as soon as possible’.[8] In November 2010 Pike said a new egress would be established by mid-2011. DOL considered this unsatisfactory, but took no further action before the explosion.”
        
        DOL [2010] took no further action! remember mining never took place under the previous government, just excavations through ordinary rock, the coal seam being about 7m thick under a 1100m mountain range
        
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        November 27, 2017 10:59am
    - ztev
      
      The ‘drift’ was allways going to be uphill, as the coal seam was higher than the surrounding land under the Paparoa Ranges.
      
      Its a physical impossibility to go ‘down to the coal’ as its 150m below the peaks at 1100m. The road finished at around 350m
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:38am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Several commentators criticised successive National and Labour Party governments for deregulating safety in the mining sector and some also argued that the Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union (EPMU), which had several members at Pike River, did not do enough to prevent the tragedy.[90][91][92] In the days after the explosion, EPMU leader Andrew Little (who later became Labour Party leader) said there had been no problems at Pike River Coal and defended its safety record.[93][94]
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pike_River_Mine_disaster
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:41am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Refer to my 9.41am reply to Sofia below ztev. The words “nothing unusual about Pike River or this mine that we’ve been particularly concerned about” are a direct quote from Little, when he was head honcho at the EPMU.
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:47am
    - ztev
      
      NZ didnt have a system of union inspectors at mines like they once had.
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:41am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        The men who were in there daily were the experts, an inspector would have been a reactive position I assume.
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:18am
      - Komata
        
        Umm, Ztev, Re: ‘NZ didnt [sic] have a system of union inspectors at mines like they once had’, your very clear implication being that it was National’s fault that such individuals were removed.
        
        On that basis, this might be of interest: It’s from the Pike River Royal Commission. Note the date carefully: 1989. A Labour Government was in power, the Minister of State owned Enterprises (The Department responsible for Coal mines) being a certain Richard Prebble.
        
        (Just saying)
        
        ‘ The transition period from the early 1990s to 1998
        
        The late 1980s/early 1990s
        
        14. In 1989 the Ministry of Energy was abolished. The coal mining inspectorate, by then known as the Mining Inspection Group (MIG), was transferred to the Energy and Resources Division of the Ministry of Commerce. Following the
        Resource Management Act 1991, the MIG’s resource management function was transferred to regional authorities. Consequently, its staffing was reduced and its work became more concerned with health and safety’. (1)
        
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        (1) [n.a.], ‘ Royal Commission on the Pike River Coal Mine Tragedy: /Final-Report, Vol2, Ch22, The transition period from the early 1990s to 1998’ Wellington: New Zealand Government Printer, [n.d.]), p.271.
        
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        November 27, 2017 2:09pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Great question Sofia, especially in light of this (which also serves to answer ztev’s question):
  
  After the first explosion the EPMU strongly defended the management of PRC.
  
  EPMU National secretary Andrew Little (now a Labour MP) told the New Zealand Herald on November 22 2010 that there was “nothing unusual about Pike River or this mine that we’ve been particularly concerned about”.
  
  He then appeared on TVNZ’s Close Up to again defend PRC management.
  
  He told Close Up that underground mining was inherently unsafe and the risk of gas explosions, particularly on the West Coast, was high.
  
  While the industry was aware of the risks and took the necessary precautions, unfortunately these kinds of incidents still happened, he argued.
  
  On November 26, 2010 the Dominion Post ran an article that denounced ‘wild’ rumours that the mine was not safe. It declared that “Any suggestion of obvious or known safety lapses does not find traction with unionised staff or union leader Andrew Little.”
  
  Andrew Little’s conciliatory views toward PRC management were echoed by Labour MP Damien O’Connor. He suggested that no one was responsible for the accident and that the disaster was “just one of these things that the West Coast unfortunately has had to get used to over the years”.
  
  Little and O’Connor’s views would of found favour with the Minister for Energy and Resources, Gerry Brownlee. He insisted that PRC had “an absolute focus on health and safety”.
  
  So here we had the Government, the Labour Party and the EPMU all lining up to defend the management of PRC.
  
  http://nzagainstthecurrent.blogspot.co.nz/2014/12/how-andrew-little-failed-pike-river.html
  
  Andrew Little is totally the wrong person to be Minister for Pike River Recovery. He has a massive and obvious conflict of interest.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:41am
- Paulus
  
  Has been called in other circumstances “Contributory Negligence”.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:51am
- cmm
  
  As much as people throw rocks at the management, ultimately the people most important in minings safety are the miners themselves.
  
  They were all trained. Most of them had a decade or more experience. They all saw, and understood, the indicators of problems. They had more information on the state of the mine, and a better understanding of the mine itself.
  
  Yet they chose to make an informed risk that didn’t work out for them.
  
  Yes it was avoidable. All it needed were those miners to be a little less “she’ll be right”.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:53am
  - ztev
    
    Yet the royal commission blamed the management and the CEO was going to be prosecuted until his insurers paid blood money later ruled illegal
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:45am
  - ztev
    
    In August DOL advised Pike by letter that a new egress was required ‘as soon as possible’.[8] In November 2010 Pike said a new egress would be established by mid-2011. DOL considered this unsatisfactory, but took no further action before the explosion.”
    Royal Commision.
    Who had contributary negligence ?
    
    “When, at the hearings, they were shown examples of safety information obtained by the commission from Pike’s records, the inspectors were visibly dismayed. This was not a case of individual fault, but of departmental failure to resource, manage and adequately support a diminished mining inspectorate.”
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:02am
    - GazzaW
      
      Just explain Little’s statements when he was with EPMU. Just an explanation will suffice – no squirrels.
      
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      November 27, 2017 12:29pm
    - Komata
      
      Ztev: See my reply to you @1409, and note which political party was in charge at the time the Mines Inspectors were removed.
      
      Hint: it WASN’T National…
      
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      November 27, 2017 2:14pm
  - MH
    
    under the Health and safety Act the workers had an obligation not to go down an unsafe mine. Many left the mine and talked about it being unsafe. Those that ignored the warning signs are now dead. Except a few above ground.
    
    In the event of something happening to me there is something I’d like you all to see. It’s just a photograph of someone I once knew….
    
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    November 28, 2017 3:50pm
VicParking

Civil defence’s over-ride of the ‘Emergency notification’ button on cellphones is just the thin edge of the wedge from our socialist civil servants to invade our privacy and fall in line with their left wing dogma. There is no doubt that the front line of civil defence do a great job however the panjandrum’s on their $150,000 salaries are another story. The Telco’s buckled to their demands and allowed them to override a specific function on our phones. If this had happened in the USA it would have been quickly reversed in the courts. In NZ however our judges are just as left wing and would see it as for the “better good “.
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November 27, 2017 8:24am
- mandk
  
  My phone told me afterwards that I had received a Presidential Alert. So perhaps it would have happened in the USA.
  
  btw – why couldn’t they have used a Kiwi accent for the message? I don’t live in En Zee. I live in En Zed.
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:32am
  - VicParking
    
    A message from our great leader is another story. I wait with baited breath for the text to report for tree planting and house building. Long live our great leader and her team of faithful ministers directed by the Yoda Wynston the wise.
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:46am
  - Paulus
    
    Can’t they say Aotearoa ?
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:54am
    - VicParking
      
      Were is that? I grew up in NZ. As it is I have had to learn four different National anthems. I certainly not going to learn another name for good old New Zealand.
      
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      November 27, 2017 11:17am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        Comrade – it’s now ‘Aotearoa NZ’ or just plain Aotearoa.
        Fuck knows what all the varying Maori tribes actually called the place that they lived pre contact.
        
        I’d love to know.
        
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        November 28, 2017 5:33am
  - MCos
    
    Much as I loathe the guy I’d still be grudgingly grateful to President Trump if he was to warn me that the nearby volcano was about to explode.
    
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    November 27, 2017 1:47pm
- ztev
  
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  Cough… The process to set it up and $12 mill cost was done by national.
  
  Only change this time under labour it WORKED.
  
  The previous test under national was a cockup
  “Angry New Zealanders were jolted awake in the early hours of Wednesday morning after what was meant to be a test of an emergency alert system instead went live”
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/97522387/early-morning-civil-defence-mobile-alerts-anger-sleepinterrupted-kiwis
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:44am
  - VicParking
    
    It was cocked up by a group of telco’s in the Netherlands and in any blame to be laid in NZ it should be directed a the socialst civil defence staff.
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:49am
    - ztev
      
      Yes capitalism can do no wrong
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:46am
      - GazzaW
        
        As evidenced by your dealings on Trade Me ztev.
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:33pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    That’s a daft point to try to make ztev. Testing anything new is a process that often means early glitches, and in this case they would have had nothing at all to do with which party was in power. Hell I voted for Labour this time, but I still think the idea that the test went right this time just because Labour are the government is whacky.
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:26am
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      Yes, its a silly comparison, but it was made in the context of the swivel eyed loons comments about socialists
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:47am
- hullkiwi
  
  At least it didn’t go off at 01:00hours this time. But really, Rangitoto would have to destroy itself for any warning to have significance for us. So, it’s a bunch of jobs Worth’s wasting a lot of money, because we’re too dimwitted to look after ourselves in an emergency without a message from our phones.
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:54am
  - SGA
    
    But really, Rangitoto would have to destroy itself for any warning to have significance for us.
    
    I wondered about that – I thought it might be useful for a tsunami warning. No?
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:16am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Where we live a tsunami would’t even reach us. Too many hills between us and the Gulf (east) & the Kaipara (west).
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:23am
      - SGA
        
        First, there are other people in NZ as well. Second, you never spend time anywhere closer to the coast?
        Anyhow, tsunami seemed the obvious one – not sure I can think of any others.
        
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        November 27, 2017 10:28am
      - hullkiwi
        
        Yes, there are other people, and this is about spending public money. The only time such warning systems could work are Tsunami or Floods. To date warnings (or the lack of) have not been very accurate eg last year the earthquake off East Cape caused a tsunami warning, that closed down Auckland rail & ferry services. When I pointed out the stupidity of this, I was told Wellington had told them so. So, I got a map & asked how a tsunami could possibly hit Auckland from an earthquake with an epicentre 15km from East Cape. It is impossible.
        My point is, when we have that type of experience, is something like this network going to be any better managed, in the hands of the same people?
        
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        November 27, 2017 1:52pm
      - SGA
        
        Sound like it’s a lose-lose for civil defense. Without such a system – if there was a huge flood or tsunami that killed thousands (I think it was 15,000+ in Japan), people would complain about why more use hadn’t been made of such technology. With such a system – people complain about its expense and “inconvenience”. And I’d wager a quick $10 that some of those would be the same people.
        
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        November 27, 2017 5:51pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        . So, I got a map & asked how a tsunami could possibly hit Auckland from an earthquake with an epicentre 15km from East Cape. It is impossible.
        
        Tsunami can hit right around the coast .
        Just like any wave they can bend around headlands and all around islands .
        
        Auckland has these strange features called Maars
        Orakei and Panmure Basins, Lake Pupuke, Crater Hill, Pūkaki lagoon are all maars
        Explosive Craters caused by hot magma making contact with water.
        I for one would want to know if they detected such activity. There may not be much warning before such an event. Getting fried in Pyroclastic flow would not be a good way to go.
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/robinandrews/2017/01/08/this-is-how-a-volcanos-pyroclastic-flow-will-kill-you/#2b4337b532cd
        
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        November 27, 2017 7:25pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      @ SGA
      
      Yes. I guess it could be used for other disaster warnings, but I suspect tsunamis are the main reason. That and the cock up in Christchurch some months back with the tsunami warning system there.
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:28am
      - ztev
        
        Did the Minister of Civil defence at the time take the blame ?
        
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        November 27, 2017 10:48am
      - VicParking
        
        Modern phones have an “Emergency” notification switch. If you are worried turn it on. If you could not care less, like me, turn it off. I don’t want some over paid socialist public servant thinking for me.
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:23am
      - treadingthemill
        
        I don’t want some over paid socialist public servant thinking for me
        
        Codswallop. Not everyone who works for the government is automatically a socialist, and if you don’t want to be warned if you’re close to the coast and a tsunami is approaching, well, that’s just stupid. Your headstone could read “Drowned by a tsunami, but at least he didn’t let a government official tell him to move.”
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:33am
    - VicParking
      
      Sorry SGA reported you by mistake
      
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      November 27, 2017 11:20am
      - SGA
        
        No problem – make the same mistake from time to time myself (usually when the “Reply” option isn’t there any more).
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:23am
    - MH
      
      why can’t they send out a crying wolf call ?
      
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      November 28, 2017 3:54pm
- Victor Omega
  
  Your original point seems lost in the noise but it’s valid. Why did the govt override the opt-out settings, and is that even legal? Other countries with this alert system respect the users phone settings.
  It’s my phone, I paid for it and I pay to keep it connected to the network. I can think of a raft of reasons why I might choose, at times, not to have my phone randomly alerting me outside my control.
  Disabling the opt-out settings on OUR phones is a power trip and is intended to send a message about control, nothing more.
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:25am
Dave Mann

Has anybody else noticed that the Rugby League World Cup is no longer available to view on free-to-air TV? Not even delayed coverage now… seems like Sky has got all the rights for the climax of the semis and the final.

This is a good way to completely kill public interest in the sport.
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November 27, 2017 8:26am
- flipper
  
  You mean the Australian Rugby League Cup?
  World Cup? Really…. well, only in South Auckland….. and because the season of the real contact sport is over for 2017.
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:37am
  - VicParking
    
    Agreed. A bit like the World Series baseball in the USA.
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:54am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  And did anyone notice there wasn’t even any delayed Kiwis point scoring against Fiji ?
  
  Fi bloody ji mate – what on earth ?
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:46am
- VicParking
  
  Sounds good to me.
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:50am
- dime
  
  vpn, its on channel 7 in oz.
  
  there is a good kodi add on that will give you access to all live aussie tv (except the ashes which is blocked), you can watch that on bt sport out of the uk
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:20am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Thanks for that. I’ve installed Hola free VPN app on my phone and I’ve tested it on Channel 7…. works great! Cheers
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:59am
    - dime
      
      just be careful with hola – its like peer to peer so they will use your bandwidth.
      
      when ive needed it before – i install when needed and then delete straight away
      
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      November 27, 2017 12:07pm
- MCos
  
  Doesn’t help that the Kiwis were so useless.
  There is plenty of stuff on YouTube. I don’t know how long it’s been there, but I watched some last night & I noticed a complete replay of the Tonga/England game was available.
  
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  November 27, 2017 12:25pm
Sarkozygroupie

Darren Hughes has now surfaced and is trying to interfere with the UK.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/uk-parliament-debate-replacing-first-past-post-proportional-representation-1644792
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November 27, 2017 8:28am
- ztev
  
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  Resurfaced ? Its known for a long time that he was in London .
  Perhaps he could bump into Todd Barclay
  
  Hughes work in London is on wikipedia if you cared to ‘resurface from under the rock where you live’
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:40am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    If he does bump into Barclay I hope Barclay punches the obnoxious little poofter in the nose.
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:45am
    - ztev
      
      I think Barclay will be the one with ‘delicate nose tissues’
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:57am
  - starboard
    
    No swiss ball or 18 yr old male will be safe with the analist/sodomist/predator D Hughes near by.
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:45am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Yes, Ztev, and that’s not the only thing about Darren Hughes on Wikipedia. You seem to have good Labour Party connections. Can you tell us why a naked man ran down a Wellington street in the middle of the night after spending time with Darren at Annette’s house?
    
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    November 27, 2017 8:49am
    - ztev
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      Perhaps you should ask why Bill English had 400 txts with a former employee ?
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:58am
      - GazzaW
        
        Jeez there’s a lot of squirrels around this morning.
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:39pm
      - Paulus
        
        ztev
        Answer the fu…. question you prat or get lost.
        
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        November 27, 2017 1:42pm
    - 3-coil
      
      Nostradamus: It was a terrified naked 18yr old youth running for his life down the street, not a “naked man”. Perhaps the landlady (former Labour Party deputy leader Annette King) can elucidate, apparently dirty Dazza still refuses to come clean.
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:02am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    Everyone knows he hightailed it London ztev. Helen got him a job at Wesminster when he had to leave New Zealand in a hurry. Under a cloud.
    
    What I meant – as if you didn’t know – is that he has now surfaced publicly after so long keeping his head down and tail between his legs…
    
    Oops, did I say that? ??
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:22am
  - dime
    
    and do what?
    
    call him an amatuer?
    
    “i heard you may have recorded someone or something? I had a teenage boy run naked from my house!”
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:23am
  - flipper
    
    So is where is Bunter ‘unt ?
    Is Hughes with Bunter?
    
    All parties have problem children. But zetev’s mob seems to have treble the normal quota – mostly deviants who chase naked young men down city streets.
    Perhaps zetev, you need to think about Bunter, Hughes and the current immoral mob. And until you take that situation on board…… Shut The Fuck Up! Moron!
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:49am
    - ztev
      
      “Chasing” now is it?
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:00am
      - flipper
        
        Well, the young man clearly feared for his virginity and self respect zetev. But U would not know about that, would you?
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:50am
- Inandout
  
  How timely that Darren is pushing an alternative to FPP when our chaotic coalition is playing out in all its pantomimic characteristics. I notice he avoids MMP but favours STV, or other vaguer systems.
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:53am
  - Sarkozygroupie
    
    First Chris Hipkins, now Darren Hughes trying to interfere in other countries’ domestic political situations.
    
    NZ Labour Party members (current or not) should pull their heads in and stop harassing our foreign partners.
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:39am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Given the obvious link between this degenerate of the leftist Weinsteiner and PR/MMP, why are there so many champions of the equally degenerate electoral system of MMP?
  
  If the left champion something, common sense and history surely tells us it’s bad for our nation!
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:10am
Tricati

Good morning Kiwi-Bloggers,
Having been a long-time reader, and given the recent behaviour of the of the current Government, I have finally joined your ranks to participate in objective comment.
It is clear the recent Caucus Strategy meeting during Parliamentary recess, at tax payers expense, was to formulate a direction on how to deal with an effective opposition. This being manifested in the claims the Leader of the Opposition is absent and being replaced, a new Housing Review Panel and hypocrisy over the number of questions being asked of the Government – Let alone the ‘objective’ Tax Review Panel.
Clearly the Government is attempting to change the narrative from an examination of them and their lack of clarity on direction and policy, ably assisted by a MSM that was active in their road to Government; to creating disharmony within the opposition.
National need to stay the course as I don’t believe the Government has the experience and/or the intellect to deal with the issues this new Government have created, or do they know how to deal with the missing Winston Peters.
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November 27, 2017 8:40am
sooty

Ztev is in full flight trying to protect the lovely labour party this morning. He is certainly on full throttle this morning.
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November 27, 2017 8:55am
- sooty
  
  Taxinda. Is there any policy that you and your coalition of fools have not flip, flopped on?
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:57am
  - KevOB
    
    If the election was commercial goods we could demand performance as promised or our money back.
    
    Even at this beginning stage it’s obvious this government is unfit for purpose. They cannot do as promised and we have a lemon.
    
    Immediate rectification is needed.
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:19am
    - JasonJohns
      
      The GG has the power to dismiss the government. Ardern may go the way of Whitlam soon.
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:21am
      - KevOB
        
        That would be proper to consider. There has to be some control on the minimum quality and ability we can expect in an incoming government. This one was imposed not elected.
        
        They were known amateurs and are now proving it and have already damaged our relations with Australia. Letting them loose on the economy is too much of a risk. They appear also to be abandoning the mandate they acquired for their own muddling ideological directions.
        
        Are the unions complicit in this? Their ability to have a controlling say in who is to be the leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party raises constitutional issues. The unions are not in Parliament and not voted for. This is a way to a potential back door takeover of Parliament.
        
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        November 27, 2017 9:55am
      - ztev
        
        The Governor general MUST act on the advice of the government. Kerr was in error when he didnt.
        Any way we dont have a senate to complicate things, as if the list of MPs disqualified in Australia isnt more of a problem. No labour ones , so far , why is that
        
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        November 27, 2017 10:03am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      A colonic?
      
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      November 27, 2017 1:40pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Does the Prime Minister stand by any of her statements?
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:06am
    - backster
      
      No labour ones , so far , why is that
      Reply to Ztev….Because Aussie Labour checked out all their members before they jacked up with Chippie to stir the pot.
      
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      November 27, 2017 11:21am
      - ztev
        
        By that time it would have been ‘too late’, you must not have dual citizenship or taken reasonable steps to revoke at the time nominations for previous election closed.
        
        It may interest you that both the previous PM Abbott and the next PM Shorten were born in UK!
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:18pm
    - VicParking
      
      “Statements” is not the word. Ramblings is better, especially were her ministers are concerned.
      
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      November 27, 2017 11:25am
- RF
  
  He is also charming as that wanker who runs the Standard. He must have had his transfusion of nasty blood.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:31am
  - sam green
    
    Since WO started its epic decline KB is fast becoming the nastiest game in town. I can hear the seething from my front porch.
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:06pm
- lifesgood
  
  Sooty, They are clearly shit scared. It must be terrible trying to do a job that you simply don’t have a clue about. Also stressful trying to look as though you have a clue.
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:40am
- Sarkozygroupie
  
  I hope ztev doesn’t run over any squirrels.
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:15pm
Huevon

Bill Gallagher fired a helluva broadside into the Treaty industry. He’s rich enough to say the emporer has no clothes. Well done Sir Bill.
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November 27, 2017 8:55am
- sooty
  
  Give that man a DB!
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:58am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Or give him a knighthood……Oh, he’s already got one.
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:04am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    A Double brown?
    
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    November 27, 2017 1:41pm
- JasonJohns
  
  Well said Huevon. Gallagher is the most high profile NZer to say openly that the TOW on display in wellington is a fraud, and that the real Treaty is being hidden. The Littlewood Treaty as Gallagher says is the true document but its existence is denied by the rewriters of history, just as the existence of pre-maori white civilisations is denied.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:15am
  - JasonJohns
    
    ‘In September 1992 someone “leaked” news to the media that a Treaty document had been found by the Littlewood family of Pukekohe, Auckland District. Statements at the time, by the National Archives experts, shows that they realised the potentialities and probable far reaching significance of this document. It showed every sign of being the long lost Treaty draft, much sought after for 150-years. Despite this, the National Archives and related authorities went silent and suppressed the document, which find had “irritated them” when news was made public. These many years later they still have not performed their duty to the people of New Zealand and have never admitted that they have in their possession the final English draft of the Treaty of Waitangi. To do so would severely curtail the activities and huge plundering potential of the grievance industry, which relies on the wording of the wrong English draft in order to survive and continue to perpetrate its fraud against the people of New Zealand.’ – Martin Doutre
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:16am
    - JasonJohns
      
      PS Gallagher needs to be careful. Allan Titford was someone who tried to show that the TOW was fraud and the Littlewood was the true Treaty…he’s in jail now…
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:18am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Allan Titford is a convicted rapist.
        
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        November 27, 2017 9:27am
      - JasonJohns
        
        The Littlewood Treaty has been discovered and championed by Martin Doutre, one of our most learned men. Martin is also responsible for the discovery of multiple ancient white civilisations in NZ…you can learn about this remarkable man at
        http://www.celticnz.co.nz/author.html
        
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        November 27, 2017 9:28am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Allan Titford is a convicted rapist
        
        Yeah…..convicted in a Kangaroo court. It is perhaps the grossest miscarriage of justice this country has seen….ever.
        
        https://treatygate.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/the-titford-trial-a-badly-orchestrated-litany-of-lies/
        
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        November 27, 2017 10:10am
      - itstricky
        
        A single issue conspiracy man with a prediliction for producing propoganda photos knows more than a court of law and a jury. Who would have guessed?
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:37am
    - ztev
      
      Hardly suppressed it
      https://www.victoria.ac.nz/stout-centre/research-units/towru/publications/The-Littlewood-Treaty.pdf
      
      “Then, in 2000, Dr. Phil Parkinson positively identified the
      Littlewood document as being written in James Busby’s hand. This conclusion appears to
      be undisputed (and, for that matter, indisputable)24. James Busby was a New South Wales
      settler who was appointed “British Resident” in New Zealand in 1832, and took up his
      position in the Bay of Islands in 183325. He was superceded by Captain Hobson as the
      senior British representative in New Zealand late in January of 1840, but assisted with the
      drafting of parts of the preliminary English texts of the Treaty of Waitangi on the 3rd and 4th
      of February.
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:52am
      - itstricky
        
        Hardly suppressed it
        
        One must keep up the pretence of shadowy Government organisations silencing dissenters that keeps EAD in business though.
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:32am
      - KevOB
        
        Aren’t you due in parliament to run the PM’s Ipad at question time?
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:49pm
- flipper
  
  Yep.
  (EDIT: Well said Bill. And if Devoid tries to poke its nose in tell her to back typo her side of the Rotorua rail tracks.)
  
  It is worth remembering that we have the arrogant Lord Cooke of Thorndon (the over-rated idiot brief, Robin Cooke) to thank for most of the current shit.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:53am
  - Paulus
    
    Cooke was complicit along with Geoffrey Palmer.
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:58am
DifferentPerspective

Lies, damned lies and …. everything that comes out of “her” mouth?

Once again the business about the PM being ~~a liar~~ “completely transparent and open” comes up re the Manus Island refugees – WOBH has sources that say it’s in train and MSD have been mobilised to deal with it already – shocking if true!

Not my PM
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November 27, 2017 9:05am
- matchbox
  
  First, they are not refugees — that’s just Jacinda’s term of convenience. Even if they were once refugees, they have been given places in PNG which nullifies their refugee status from anywhere else.
  
  Also, not sure if NZ has caught up with this (doesn’t suit the NZ media agenda to proclaim it), but there are no longer any cue-jumpers in the mothballed detention facility. All have been re-housed within PNG.
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:28am
  - matchbox
    
    Just to be clear. The standoff is over.
    Jacinda’s 150-man offer no longer has relevance.
    
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/99236659/after-the-standoff-police-empty-manus-island-facility
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:42am
- mandk
  
  Will Jacinda accept responsibility for the dead bodies floating in the Torres Strait that will inevitably result from the encouragement the people smugglers will derive from her naive virtue signalling?
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:08am
  - matchbox
    
    New Zealand hasn’t actually noticed it yet, but the whole weeks-long drama of Jacinda offending Turnbull/Australia etc, is over.
    
    With the mothballed detention facility being emptied, Jacinda’s 150-man virtue signalling has just become a cloud of vapour.
    
    Sorry, Jacinda. No UN posting from this melodrama.
    
    But thanks anyway, Labour. Another Labour invented C R I S I S solved.
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:44am
    - KevOB
      
      The price–trade and immigration status with Australia?
      
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      November 27, 2017 12:51pm
hullkiwi

Further to Sooty’s note about ztev, it seems Nick Smith has upset the sensitive soles of the CoL & the assorted commentators supporting the CoL.
As reported in the Herald last night, Smith’s November newsletter to constituents makes the bold assertion that National won the election, but lost the negotiations. His reasoning, National got more votes than Labour/NZF, got more votes than the previous 3 elections & got a bigger share of the vote than Clark’s Labour govt. (I have paraphrased the article). But this seems to have got the sensitive soles of the CoL upset, their only response being that National with 44.4% got a smaller share of the vote than in any of the elections 2008 to 2014.

To the apologists for the CoL & in agreement with those that say that Taxcinda was selected by Winnie the Poo, all I will add is:
The CoL is a result of Peter’s disingenuous negotiations, Cindy was selected as PM & not elected. Live with the facts Liebore luvvies.
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November 27, 2017 9:10am
- MCos
  
  No single party won the election. It’s simple arithmetic. For a single party to win the election they need 50% plus. National, who have no mates left in parliament apart from ACT fell well short at 44.4%
  The others ganged up and made up the numbers.
  Nick Smith is acting like that Australian rugby coach.
  
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  November 27, 2017 12:41pm
  - hullkiwi
    
    Mcos, a matter of simple arithmetic, is it. Thanks to the vagaries of MMP, as support stood at the election, if NZF fall by less than 3% & these votes go to National. National will be a majority government, without needing friends or getting at least 50% of the vote. You figure.
    
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    November 27, 2017 5:44pm
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      There’s no symbol for ‘if’ in arithmetic
      
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      November 28, 2017 2:16am
Longknives

I’m not a Whale Oil fan but he has done some outstanding work digging up dirt on this Clark Gayford Sleazebucket.
Check out the video WOBH posted over the weekend of a smirking Gayford bragging about his ‘hundreds’ of sexual conquests- And then just imagine the shrieking and outrage (‘Rape Culture’! etc etc) from the Left if this guy had been affiliated with the National Party..
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November 27, 2017 9:11am
- Morrissey
  
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  That fat and unattractive barrel of whale blubber’s objection to Gayford is based 99 per cent on sexual envy.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2houSdLjKBw
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:35am
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    Another squirrel? You can do better Morrissey. It does nothing whatsoever to deflect from Gayford’s dubious activities.
    
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    November 27, 2017 1:19pm
- Huevon
  
  Poor Jacinda will have trouble keeping this dog on the porch.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:42am
- Inandout
  
  Well that doesn’t put Jacinda in a very good light, having a rooting partner; unless, perhaps unless, she bats for the other side. Her idol did.
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:04am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Here is the link
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=SWQduC6N5OY
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:06am
  - MCos
    
    Shock
    Horror
    
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    November 27, 2017 12:47pm
  - KevOB
    
    Is he going to appear next on that sleazeball program Naked Dating on TV2?
    
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    November 27, 2017 12:54pm
    - MCos
      
      What’s that all about, Kev?
      
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      November 27, 2017 1:55pm
      - KevOB
        
        We now have full frontal detailed close up nudity of both sexes for an hour each week on a government owned TV station. They even had a male checking out another male.
        
        Has the censor approved this?
        
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        November 27, 2017 7:26pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Yes, it’s just nudity so the censor wouldn’t ban it. Why, are you hoping to see more?
        
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        November 27, 2017 7:37pm
dime

incase anyone skipped ztevs comments this morning.. allow me to sum em up

“national did it too”

“once a national mp did something no where near as bad as the labour guy, so you have to mention what he did years ago if now discussing what a labour mp did yesterday”

or simply

“just like national did *insert something about national that was no where near as bad or dodgy”

its gotta suck being an idealogue and/or just being a leftie. you have to defend everything! cant criticise the group, ever!

fuck that. weak ass people.
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November 27, 2017 9:25am
- ztev
  
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  Why werent you outraged when national did it ?
  
  150 refugees from Australias offshore camp- national offered to take that number EVERY YEAR
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:38am
  - dime
    
    i was dipshit.
    
    you may have missed the last 3 years where i bagged national hard out.
    
    Dime doesnt want any of those shit bag”refugees”
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:45am
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      You come across as a very cranky and very old racist git. Were you perchance in the Australian government in 1938?
      
      https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/11/general_debate_27_november_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2085934
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:00am
      - Colville
        
        I cant speak for dime but…
        
        If not wanting Islamist terrorists living in this country makes me racist then yes I am happy to be a racist.
        
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        November 27, 2017 11:10am
      - dime
        
        muslims arent a race.
        
        bigot? sure. i dont want any more muslims in this country. i wear that badge with pride.
        
        go label someone else, they may back down.
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:08pm
      - Swifty
        
        Well said Dime.
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:12pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        Too right, Colville. The claim that concern about an *ideology/ religion* equals ‘racicm’ is long dead. Take off the pink specs, Morry, and have a good hard look at Europe.
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:22pm
      - MCos
        
        “i dont want any more muslims in this country.”
        It’s all very cyclical that sort of hysteria.
        In NZ we’ve gone through periods when Chinese, Catholics, Jews, Pacific Islanders, Chinese again, Indians, and so on have been unwanted by a certain sector of our society.
        
        I remember as a kid growing up a Catholic. We used to get shit from non Catholic kids that didn’t know us, but not from those who did.
        Ain’t that always the way?
        
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        November 27, 2017 1:06pm
      - dime
        
        mcos – the world has never seen terror like this before.
        
        islam is a political system, not contained to a race.
        
        fuck em, they can stay in their own shit holes.
        
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        November 27, 2017 1:27pm
      - MCos
        
        “the world has never seen terror like this before”
        
        Depending on your particular definition of terror that’s a claim that is clearly incorrect.
        
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        November 27, 2017 3:39pm
Morrissey

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Heroes
No. 1: EDWARD SNOWDEN

“Snowden should, in my opinion, be welcomed home with honors for his service to his country, and for his courage and integrity in the manner in which he performed this service. Apart from exceptional circumstances, citizens have every right to know what their government is doing, in particular what it is doing to them – in the present case, as Snowden revealed to us, keeping citizens under extensive and deeply intrusive surveillance.”—NOAM CHOMSKY, September 2014

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/14/edward-snowden-pardon-bernie-sanders-daniel-ellsberg

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/edward-snowden-interview-there-is-still-hope-a-1166752.html

“Heroes” is a series devoted to those courageous and brilliant people who show us that, in a world seemingly run by crooks, abusers, bullies, scoundrels, mass murderers and liars, there are still reasons for optimism.
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November 27, 2017 9:30am
- Morrissey
  
  As of 10:o7 a.m., twelve bewildered souls have indicated their support for this….
  
  http://www.artmarketmonitor.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/stasi-surveillance-1.jpg
  
  https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/03/lessons-from-the-stasi/
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:07am
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    No, I don’t trust Chomsky as a source for opinions and definitely not for facts.
    
    Apart from exceptional circumstances
    
    Is the threat of terrorism in the US not an exceptional circumstance?
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:16am
    - Morrissey
      
      I don’t trust Chomsky as a source for opinions and definitely not for facts.
      
      Why not?
      
      Is the threat of terrorism in the US not an exceptional circumstance?
      
      You really have drunk the Kool Aid.
      
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      November 27, 2017 4:25pm
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        Why Not? He’s a partisan far left extremist with a history of supporting some pretty dodgy people and nations and a history of telling lies. He once said: “in comparison to the conditions imposed by US tyranny and violence, East Europe under Russian [Stalinist] rule was practically a paradise”
        
        Claims like that make him a whackjob.
        
        ‘Noam Chomsky: The Last Totalitarian’
        
        http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/blog/michael-j-totten/noam-chomsky-last-totalitarian
        
        You really have drunk the Kool Aid.
        
        That’s exactly what Ead said to me when I disputed his white supremacist claims about Jews. More evidence of the horse shoe theory at work. Extremists are always responding with “You have drunk the Kool Aid” or “You’re still in the Matrix” when their conspiracy theories are questioned.
        
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        November 27, 2017 4:41pm
      - Morrissey
        
        You have not read Chomsky. Come back when you have.
        
        And your efforts to equate me with EAD are as convincing as your ignorant comments about Chomsky.
        
        Once again, I urge you to read. Here’s a good place for you to start….
        
        https://chomsky.info/articles/
        
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        November 27, 2017 4:44pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  A quote from fair-weather Noam ain’t going to cut it for me…
  remember the Cambodian Holocaust?
  https://jim.com/chomsdis.htm
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:09am
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    Shame on you Maggy. Instead of going to the trouble of actually reading Chomsky, you’ve decided to post some F-grade fantastical abuse of him, harvested from a fantasy/paranoia site that makes Whale Oil look serious and rigorous. Next you’ll be posting that Chomsky and Snowden are lizards or something equally learned.
    
    Is this YOU, Maggy? ….
    
    https://i.imgur.com/aqtyKWy.png
    
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    November 27, 2017 4:23pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s pretty clear you haven’t tussled with that old obscurant’s linguistic ravings.
      
      I think this is a more accurate representation of moi
      https://knitandcrochetblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/old-lady-knitting.jpg
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:13pm
- alloytoo
  
  Snowden, a traitor to his own country who has tried to effect the democratic processes of other sovereign states.
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:50am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  One of the few times I have agreed with you Morrissey. Snowdon does appear to be a true patriot with an incredible strength of belief in the rule of law – and has put his life in jeopardy trying to reveal it’s corruption. I do wish some western country would offer him asylum, or at least a Nobel peace prize.
  
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  November 27, 2017 1:29pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Good on you, Mr. Colonialist.
    
    https://media.tenor.com/images/1d37fae7c763ec15d88031819fae348c/tenor.gif
    
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    November 27, 2017 4:17pm
Anne Glen Eden

Barry Soper has done well today, for a change. Nothing like pointing out the hypocrisy of the current government.

1. “Pike River Recovery Agency …given the task of weighing up…whether the mine’s safe to re-enter. …It’s a way of the Government shelving responsibility and moving out of the spotlight… Essentially it doesn’t advance the issue greatly from when National was running the shop, safety has always been the key (so they say). Why on earth they have to run the agency for three years at a cost of $23 million is a little difficult to fathom.” It’s not – just a further implementation of time and distance and the hope it will all go away.

2. “…the Tax Working Group headed by former Finance Minister Michael Cullen, the mentor of the man who appointed him, Grant Robertson. …Their recommendations will be ticked off by the very people who would, or should have been well equipped to do the job anyway, Treasury. …But someone stands to make a fair whack of taxable income, given the budget for the group which will sit for around a year, has been put at $4m.” Not to mention that Cullen has destroyed NZ Post – five days to send a letter across Auckland, staffed by the potentially lowest paid /immigrants they can find (as are all govt depts), and Couriers whose delivery service is no better. I don’t rate him at all.

3. “Jacinda Ardern … has to share the responsibility for .. holding a Labour Party caucus meeting at a venue away from Parliament but in Wellington last Friday.
Parliament was in recess last week which means politicians had to fly to the capital from all over the country to meet for around three hours, which would have cost a heap. …why they couldn’t have held their strategic planning meeting this coming Friday when they’d be in town anyway, is beyond comprehension.”

They have no idea what they’re doing, never intended to do anything they campaigned on, and are running around like headless chickens pretending they’re achieving something. But spin, spin, spin – backed up by their campaigning social media trolls.
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November 27, 2017 9:46am
- KevOB
  
  You are making a case for the GG to reconsider them as a government.
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:04am
- Inandout
  
  A bit of pillow talking I would imagine on this. Poor Soper is desperately trying to be a good Labour boy, but he has a hard road to hoe.
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:07am
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    * hard row to hoe. Derives from farming.
    
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    November 28, 2017 6:13am
Manolo

Is our own stephieboy working behind the scenes?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-vows-islamic-alliance-wipe-terrorists-earth-140228852.html

Saudi Arabia’s crown prince vowed to “pursue terrorists until they are wiped from the face of the earth” as officials from 40 Muslim countries gathered Sunday in the first meeting of an Islamic counter-terrorism alliance.
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November 27, 2017 9:49am
- ztev
  
  gee they had their election the day after ours and took 2 1/2 months to NOT have a government ?
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:25am
- Classic Liberal
  
  But all the islamic terrorists want is to run a sharia-based country. You know, crown prince, basically very similar to Saudi Arabia, but under *their* control: no equal rights for women, gays executed, thieves’ hands chopped off etc etc.
  
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  November 27, 2017 12:58pm
Manolo

Will Mamma Merkel vanish from sight?
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/brexit-referendum/germany-crisis-europe-watchers-contemplate-e-u-after-merkel-n823631
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November 27, 2017 9:51am
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79 years ago, Australia was a brutal, racist regime;
It has not changed its nature much at all.

From the Evening Post, Friday November 18, 1938…

MASS MIGRATION

AUSTRALIA OBJECTS

NO BLOCK SETTLEMENT

(Received November 18, 2.10 p.m.) „ CANBERRA, This Day.

The Prime Minister (Mr. J. A. Lyons) referring to reports from London that there was a move for the mass migration of Jewish refugees to Australia, said that the Government was firm in its determination to prevent mass migration of aliens and would not tolerate any form of block settlement.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/evening-post/1938/11/18/10
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November 27, 2017 9:52am
- softail 1450
  
  oh god not again ,get a life and a partner moronissey.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:53am
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    What’s the problem in this case, softail? I concede that you might get annoyed by my putting things into somewhat contrived series, but this is simply a comment on a rogue state, putting that rogue state’s terrible actions into context, showing you and any others that might be interested that the rogue state did not suddenly start being a rogue state. It goes back to 1938, and of course, much earlier than that.
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:03am
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      Rogue state is an emotive term but objectively meaningless.
      
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      November 27, 2017 10:19am
      - Morrissey
        
        rogue state (noun) A nation or state regarded as breaking international law and posing a threat to the security of other nations.
        
        https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/rogue_state
        
        Australia certainly fulfills the first of those conditions, and it arguably fulfills the second part of the definition, having been involved, often against its better judgement, in various aggressions around the world, from the U.S. war on Vietnam to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
        
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        November 27, 2017 4:38pm
    - softail 1450
      
      moronissey ,it’s very simple actually ,nobody likes a fricking a know it all, especially one who’s obviously very good at googling and posting .
      give it a rest or at least post on your own general knowledge and not with the use of Google exclusively ,,,,
      
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      November 28, 2017 6:33am
- Harkman
  
  In 1935 Labour campaigned with Antisemitic rhetoric claiming the RBNZ was owned by Jewish bankers and thus needed to be nationalised. Although the shares were mainly owned by Anglo-Saxon New Zealanders.
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:50am
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    Quite true, Harkman. Labour’s record is shameful, as is the Australian Labor Party’s record.
    
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    November 27, 2017 4:41pm
Jack5

You would have thought Glorious Golriz Ghahraman, of the NZ Greens, might have spoken up about the British Iranian woman’s well-publicised plight in Iran.

The Melons’ web site says that Gharhaman is a human rights and constitutional lawyer and a prominent member of the Auckland Iranian community – and she has a degree from Britain’s Oxford University.

Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe, of Britain, is serving a five-year prison sentence for allegedly planning the ‘soft toppling’ of Iran’s government.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5118213/Iran-airs-allegations-against-detained-British-woman.html#ixzz4zZdf7dxI
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November 27, 2017 10:02am
- Rodney Randall
  
  You mean the Muslim human rights virtue signaller?
  
  “I’d fight to the death for a women’s right to wear the Hijab”
  
  Prob fight to the death for any paedophile prophet worshipping child bride supporting raghead.
  
  She’s a fucking UN plant.
  
  Reaks a mile away
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:06am
  - Digmen1
    
    I’d fight to the death to keep muslims out of NZ
    
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    November 27, 2017 5:04pm
    - Morrissey
      
      I doubt that very much.
      
      http://200billionscandal.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451da3169e20147e369710f970b-pi
      
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      November 27, 2017 5:09pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Could have used a Republican Chicken Maurice.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LCsiWL6gn0
        
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        November 27, 2017 7:10pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/99214793/pacific-trust-canterbury-leaves-debts-of-825000-after-failing-to-deliver-services

“Final accounts show the trust’s 32 employees, who claimed $205,552 in holiday pay, time in lieu and redundancy, were paid 84 per cent of their entitlements.”

“Inland Revenue was owed $99,667 in mainly PAYE payments, but a GST refund it owed PTC left it only $10,574 out of pocket.

Although the liquidators recovered $361,863, no funds were left to pay 39 unsecured claims of $825,930.

The trustees, who have not spoken publicly, have previously blamed cashflow difficulties, service delivery and funding issues.

However, a Ministry of Health investigation last year found the trust left funded positions vacant, kept inaccurate records and ripped off intellectual property.

It said the trust had under-delivered on contracts to provide anti-obesity, smoking cessation, immunisation and nutrition services so it was liable to return about $700,000 of funding.”

Corrupt Bastards.

‘Pasifika Health’
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November 27, 2017 10:03am
- cmm
  
  It is racist to apply Pakeha-level scrutiny and auditing to Pacifika people.
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:25am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Today I identify as trans pacifika.
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:34am
  - sam green
    
    “It is racist to apply Pakeha-level scrutiny and auditing to Pacifika people.”
    
    Is it “telling” to apply scrutiny and auditing to corporate people?
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:17pm
- sam green
  
  South Canterbury Finance. Bluechip. Hanover Finance. Bridgecorp Holdings. Did they get money from the public purse?
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:50pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Go on
    Give us a list of how much each got from the tax payer (if anything)
    And then how much the tax payer recovered.
    Off you go.
    
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    November 27, 2017 10:45pm
    - sam green
      
      You could find out yourself lazy.
      
      Read the bit about “white collar crime”.
      
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finance_company_collapses,_2006-12_(New_Zealand)
      
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      November 27, 2017 11:01pm
Stars And Stripes

Tongan league fans march in Auckland, angry over semifinal loss to England
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/99262289/tongan-league-fans-march-in-auckland-angry-over-semifinal-loss-to-England
“Tongan league fans are protesting in central Auckland against what they say was “disgraceful biased refereeing” in the world cup semifinal”.

FFS we have protests, petitions all over one referring decision in one league game which a group of one eyed fans don’t like.
What is going to happen in sport next if this sort of nonsense catches on?.
Maybe judicial reviews in court of all games and imprisonment for any officials found to be wrong.
FWIW I actually think the referee was correct anyway as the English guys hand definitely contacted the ball but only as part of the tackle but for it to be ruled a “strip” it has to be deliberate which it obviously was not so the only problem here is ignorant biased fans.
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November 27, 2017 10:14am
- fylde
  
  agree – maybe they have been reading Laurie Mains book. Overall head of referees Archer has said it was the right call.
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:32am
- Sir Leslie Bottocks
  
  Ah, the racist scumbag NZ gutter press!
  
  https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/26-11-2017/it-felt-like-they-were-in-a-riot-mode-police-tactics-turn-ugly-in-otahuhu/
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:54am
EAD_TWO

EVERY. DAMN. TIME

A columnist (Afua Hirsch) at the Guardian proposes a white guilt museum be built in Britain.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/22/british-empire-museum-colonial-crimes-memorial

No prizes for guessing that that the author is a Jew. The same lady who wants British National Hero Lord Horatio Nelson’s statue torn down from Trafalgar Square.

Something tells me the creation of Israel is not on her list of British crimes…
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November 27, 2017 10:31am
- mandk
  
  No prizes for guessing that most times EAD’s name pops up on a thread that it will be followed by a comment driven by Jew hatred.
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:13am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    No prizes for guessing that most times EAD’s name pops up on a thread that it will be followed by a comment driven by Jew hatred.
    
    Let me fix that for ya mandk
    
    No prizes for guessing that most times EAD’s name pops up on a thread it will be a topical story from the news followed by a stream of comments shooting the messenger.
    
    Fixed?
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:27am
JasonJohns

There needs to be a museum celebrating the racial hygiene that the British created in their colonies. Their anti-miscegenation laws were models of racial science. In Fiji and in Rhodesia for example natives were forbidden to live with let alone copulate with whites. This helped keeped British blood pure and was an inspiration for other European countries experimenting with racial science. I hope this aspect of the empire is remembered in any new museum.
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November 27, 2017 10:42am
- EAD_TWO
  
  They must have got their learnings from the Jewish Prime Minister of Britain, Benjamin Disraeli who said:
  
  All is race; there is no other truth ,and every race must fall which carelessly suffers its blood to become mixed
  
  These views help explain why Israel has anti-miscegenation laws so the chosen ones don’t mix their blood. Compare that to the occupied West where the MSM and advertising giants forever promote race mixing!
  
  https://katana17.wordpress.com/2017/11/19/mark-collett-christmas-adverts-multicultural-propaganda-transcript/
  
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  November 27, 2017 10:49am
  - Jack5
    
    ClassicLiberal, EAD (who now posts as EADTwo) is a neoNazi.
    
    DPF’s tolerance of EAD’s obsession with Jews says mountains about DPF’s belief in freedom of expression.
    
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    November 27, 2017 2:57pm
    - sam green
      
      I freely express that DPF is a bitch for the National Party. Aha!
      
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      November 28, 2017 12:03am
- Classic Liberal
  
  You two are obviously just plants to try and make this blog look racist. No doubt quoted delightedly by SJWs. I’d say ‘fuck off’, but I still believe in freedom of speech, even for such idiots.
  
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  November 27, 2017 1:04pm
- Jack5
  
  But, ~~Kea~~ JasonJohns, who is discriminating now against Coloured (i.e. mixed race) people in Zimbabwe. This is from Wikipedia:
  
  Since the 1980s, Coloured Zimbabweans have complained of being increasingly disenfranchised, and being projected as foreigners with limited rights. A Coloured lobby group, the National Association for the Advancement of Mixed Race Coloureds (NAAC), was formed in 2001 to protest what they perceived as severe discrimination against their community by the state. The NAAC has issued a statement claiming that “Coloured people are visibly and verbally treated with disdain contemptuously dismissed with xenophobic comments” urging them to “go back to Britain”. NAAC activists have also highlighted the removal of Coloureds from important positions in the public service, usually following complaints by ruling party officials, and the government’s steadfast refusal to grant loans to Coloured entrepreneurs. At the height of President Mugabe’s land reform programme, Zimbabwean Minister of Education, Sports, and Culture Aeneas Chigwedere demanded that Coloureds be excluded from the redistribution process on racial grounds, insisting that “if we give them land it will be giving it back to the white man”.
  
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  November 27, 2017 2:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  This helped keeped British blood pure
  
  The Brits, for the most part, are a bunch of mongrels.
  
  (I, of course, am an exception)
  
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  November 27, 2017 4:01pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I could do with a bit more melanin. Very healthy in the NZ climate!
    
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    November 27, 2017 7:17pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      It’s a curse being a genetic mutant.
      
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      November 27, 2017 9:24pm
Manolo

My mate Longknives will rejoice:
http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/all-blacks-stars-win-big-awards

Beauden Barrett was named World Rugby Player of the Year in Monaco on Sunday, while Rieko Ioane claimed the Breakthrough award.

Barrett was nominated along with Owen Farrell (England and British & Irish Lions), Israel Folau (Wallabies), Ioane (All Blacks) and Maro Itoje (England and Lions), but the New Zealand flyhalf ultimately clinched the top award for the second year in a row.

Earlier in the night, Ioane was named the Breakthrough Player of the Year, which saw the winger see off the nominations of Argentina’s Emiliano Boffelli and French centre Damian Penaud.
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November 27, 2017 10:55am
- Colville
  
  Eddie Jones was embarrassed to get Coach, he said Hansen should have got it.
  I thought Japan should have got team of the year, but the women got it as a bit of tokenism.
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:16am
- flipper
  
  The Award winners in full
  World Rugby Men’s Player of the Year: Beauden Barrett (New Zealand
  World Rugby Women’s Player of the Year: Portia Woodman (New Zealand).
  Team of the year – Black Ferns
  Coach of the Year – Eddie Jones (England)
  World Rugby Referee Award – Joy Neville (Ireland)
  IRPA Try of the Year – Joaquin Tuculet (Argentina)
  World Rugby Breakthrough Player of the Year – Rieko Ioane (New Zealand)
  World Rugby’s Men’s Sevens Player of the Year – Perry Baker (USA)
  World Rugby’s Women’s Sevens Player of the Year – Michaela Blyde (New Zealand)
  IRPA Special Merit – Rachael Burford and Richie McCaw
  Award for Character – Eduardo “Coco” Oderigo
  Vernon Pugh Awards for Distinguished Service – Marcel Martin
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:59am
  - Morrissey
    
    The “Lay Down Sally” Award for Lack of Character: FRANCE.
    
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    November 27, 2017 4:42pm
    - softail 1450
      
      moronissey ,see what I mean you make a true statement with a bit of humour and still get down ticks ,people are seeing you as not worth reading because of all the shit you post….
      
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      November 28, 2017 6:42am
EAD_TWO

Gay marriage just passed in Australia & one week later, 2 homosexuals decide to strip naked in public & engage in sexual behaviour in front of families.

You give these bandits an inch & they take a mile. They love rubbing our faces in their degeneracy. Excuse the puns

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5118169/Naked-couple-caught-having-sex-Flinders-Street-Station.html
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November 27, 2017 11:30am
- treadingthemill
  
  ‘Get a room! Not-so-classy couple is caught having SEX on an Illinois park bench in broad daylight’
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4967636/Get-room-Couple-sex-public-park-bench.html
  
  ‘Court shown video of couple having sex in Domino’s Pizza’
  
  http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/couple-video-sex-dominos-pizza-13657903
  
  You give these heterosexuals an inch & they take a mile!
  
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  November 27, 2017 11:43am
  - Inandout
    
    Sexual emergencies are real, ask your local Muslim male.
    
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    November 27, 2017 11:51am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Indeed, I’ve seen some pretty hair raising behaviour between man and woman in inappropriate places.
    
    EADy, I don’t think this case has anything to do with the recent Oz law change, just people being stupid.
    
    But as I said above, you’re obviously a plant to try and make this site look racist; *and* homophobic.
    
    Neither of which most of us are.
    
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    November 27, 2017 1:08pm
    - itstricky
      
      you’re obviously a plant
      
      Careful, you’re playing EAD at his own game there…
      
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      November 27, 2017 1:59pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Schoolteacher – go away
      
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      November 27, 2017 8:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Silly buggers.
  
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  November 27, 2017 9:29pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    ~~Silly buggers~~
    
    Silly buggerers
    
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    November 27, 2017 9:46pm
Left Right and Centre

Celebrating diversity with your host . . . LR&C:

Midnight at supermarket on a Sunday – ooo look at this lovely third world family of five. Wife and two girls in headscarves – one younger one waiting for hers.

Don’t they have school tomorrow or . . . something tomorrow ?
I say bring in more headscarf people. We’ll have so much to talk about – I can’t wait to get to know them all better.

Should I tell Dad that I’m so turned on by him that I think he needs a headscarf too ? Me so naughty – teehee
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November 27, 2017 11:36am
- itstricky
  
  Don’t they have school tomorrow or . . . something tomorrow ?
  
  I dunno, did you ask them?
  
  Perhaps they looked at you and thought “why is this freak in the supermarket at midnight? Doesn’t he have a job or … something, tomorrow?”
  
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  November 27, 2017 12:13pm
  - Left Right and Centre
    
    Did I try to talk to people who most likely don’t really speak English that well ? No.
    
    Job ? No job. I’d have to look at foreigners all day – you’re shitting me. I’d be counting them all like DPF’s tree clicker.
    
    I remember driving a bus once – and on this one shift it was nothing but Asian uni students and their horrible sounding voices all day long.
    
    I went to uni in NZ – more foreigners than domestic students.
    
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    November 27, 2017 12:30pm
    - itstricky
      
      Did I try to talk to … No.
      
      Ah, I see. So you’d rather judge for yourself why they were out at that time and make up your own internal stories.
      
      people who most likely don’t really speak English that well ?
      
      You just said you didn’t speak to them but now you’re telling us how well they spoke?
      
      Job ? No job.
      
      Perhaps they didn’t know you didn’t have a job? Perhaps they’re off school sick? Perhaps they’re actually tourists? Perhaps they have just come back from the A&E ward? Perhaps they’ve only just literally arrived? Perhaps its a teacher only day tomorrow? Perhaps Mum and Dad have long lost relatives arriving tomorrow and they’re keeping the kids off to meet them? Perhaps they’re doing shopping before they go on a week long vacation to Tahiti? Perhaps perhaps perhaps.
      
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      November 27, 2017 12:38pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        You’re a lot of fun man.
        Mate – who knows. They were there at midnight. School is still in, yeah ? I know it is – easy search eh ?
        
        Won’t someone please think of the children ??
        We’ve got to help these immigrants work out how to give their children enough sleep beforehand – surely there’s a course for that ?
        
        I wouldn’t dare question their culture – if that’s how they do things. Maybe they don’t need much sleep ? Maybe it’s some religious thing.
        
        Probably feels like a holiday every day compared to wherever they escaped from.
        
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        November 27, 2017 12:53pm
      - Classic Liberal
        
        “I wouldn’t dare question their culture – if that’s how they do things. ”
        
        Every culture and religion is an ideology and must be open to questioning. Our laws include proper care of children and their schooling.
        
        I was with you on that aspect of your story, but when you then went onto *race* (Asians on the bus and their voices) you lost my support.
        
        The SJWs claim that questioning an ideology is the same as racism. Do you really want them to use your statements as some kind of ‘proof’?
        
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        November 27, 2017 1:15pm
      - itstricky
        
        Our laws include proper care of children and their schooling.
        
        I don’t disagree with that but merely “seeing someone” is not evidence of child abuse or law breaking.
        
        Otherwise, forbid, some KBer might see LR&C at the supermarket at midnight report back about all the lazy, good for nothing, leftie, dole bludgers squandering long suffering tax payer dollars, that hang around at that time, with nothing better to do with themselves tomorrow.
        
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        November 27, 2017 2:01pm
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        In which case tricky, I’m not *out of place* at a supermarket at midnight.
        A family of five *is* by comparison.
        
        What people don’t like – is the truth. Real observations. Seeing things as they actually are.
        
        Yes – seems to be I’m the only one in NZ who doesn’t want more and more non-English speaking foreigners flooding in.
        
        Who else on earth is doing this to their country ?
        China ? Japan ? India ? Egypt ? I don’t think so.
        
        This is more than say Dutch immigration in the 50s – or even PI immigration from the 50s / 60s onwards.
        
        My thinking towards immigration policy – you can largely refer to Japan’s immigration policy.
        
        I’m the only one against it. Just me. Everyone else wants another million plus Chinese here in the next decade. Then you’ll know what a bi-lingual country is mate.
        
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        November 28, 2017 6:54am
      - Left Right and Centre
        
        CL – are we having this debate ? Why ?
        You see, that’s the whole problem !
        
        Are they debating this in Japan ?
        Hell no. What are their SJWs bleating on about ?
        Something else.
        Because – for them, this shit doesn’t *exist*.
        *ahem* – lucky them.
        
        Tricky stuff commenting – this isn’t free speech, we’re all guests on a blog. So – you know there’s a limit to expressing an opinion. And I want to be here.
        
        Part of me would just **love** to flood Auckland with one-two million non-English speaking immigrants over 5-10 years. You love them so much ? Here you go then – fill ya boots up son.
        
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        November 28, 2017 7:10am
Stars And Stripes

Porky of the day award:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/99255156/fisherman-died-trying-to-save-wife-family-says
“His brother, Jordan Jones agreed, posting on Facebook that his father paid top dollar to ensure the boat was safe and seaworthy.
Jordan said his father was extremely vigilant about wearing lifejackets and he wouldn’t allow anybody on the water without one”.

Then from the same article:
“Earlier this year Jones was convicted of the manslaughter of his friend, Erka Xu, in similar tragedy at sea.
Xu drowned in July 2015 after a wave struck Jones’ four-metre inflatable boat near the Waitara bar. The boat capsized, neither man was wearing a lifejacket”.

No he never let people go out without lifejackets.
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November 27, 2017 11:49am
Fletch

In case you missed it, Time Magazine has voted Hillary Clinton’s book What Happened the number one non-fiction book of the year. Just goes to show that these liberals haven’t learned a thing.

http://time.com/5029600/top-10-non-fiction-books-2017/
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November 27, 2017 12:14pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  Cool, they’ll lose the next election then :).
  
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  November 27, 2017 1:18pm
- Inandout
  
  To think I once subscribed to Time.
  
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  November 27, 2017 4:16pm
- holysheet
  
  They got it in the wrong category. It should be in the fiction not non-fiction.
  
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  November 27, 2017 4:24pm
Manolo

The price of Winston:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/secret-document-must-be-revealed-english/ar-BBFJP7n

A secret agreement between Labour and NZ First must be released publicly, the opposition says.

Deputy Prime Minister Winston Peters revealed the existence of the document a day after he and Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern signed the official coalition agreement for them to form government.
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November 27, 2017 12:23pm
sooty

Labour and its coalition of fools spending 27 million so they feelz good with Bernie Monk! Whats he got over Angry Little? We know that Angry will be covering his tracks, but 27 million could do some good somewhere in NZ.
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November 27, 2017 12:39pm
- rangitoto
  
  They could give it to me. I promise I will spend it on wine, women and song and the country will be much better off than wasting it on a new ministry.
  
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  November 27, 2017 12:51pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Indeed, sounds like a very good trickle down effect…
    
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    November 27, 2017 1:19pm
Victor Omega

If it were botulism a simple lab test should have confirmed it by now.

How about proving its not secondary 1080 poisoning.
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November 27, 2017 1:04pm
- Victor Omega
  
  So the dowmtickers would be okay with their families being hospitalised after eating wild pork, and having the media make up some FAKE NEWS bullshit story about it being “botulism”. How many cases have there been in NZ? Ever? Two. Yep, two. EVER.
  Where are the lab test results? Based on the law of averages and the history of botulism in NZ, the chances of it being botulism are infantesimal.
  It just happens that there was a 1080 poison drop in the forest where this guy went and harvested the wild boar.
  If there is a chance that 1080 secondary poisoning has occurred in humans, we all have a right to know about it because the govt drops shit loads of that stuff all over NZ.
  
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  November 28, 2017 12:53am
flipper

Does anyone have a link to the Hosking – Ardern gunfight this morning ????
Help !!
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November 27, 2017 1:10pm
- graham
  
  Go to http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-demand/week-on-demand/ and look for Monday Midnight – Midday (currently at the top of the page. The interview starts in the 07:30 – 07:45 part at around 07:37 and continues through the 07:45 – 08:00 part (which is where she bizarrely “calls this conversation out”).
  
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  November 27, 2017 3:00pm
big bruv

The awarding of player of the year to Beauden Barrett proves that the international game is corrupt (at least when every NZ are involved)
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November 27, 2017 1:55pm
- rangitoto
  
  Awww diddums.
  
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  November 27, 2017 2:04pm
- MCos
  
  The voting panel’s probably all got a freezer full of beef out of it.
  
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  November 27, 2017 3:56pm
- Morrissey
  
  THIS is what shows NZ and international rugby is corrupt….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7C6bTHyC0U&t=6s
  
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  November 27, 2017 5:13pm
Ross12

There was debate recently about the NCEA 1 maths test.
Here is a question from an elementary school test in China. How would kiwi kids get on ?

https://twitter.com/ChinaDailyUSA/status/934753309117751297
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November 27, 2017 4:38pm
- nasska
  
  …..”How would kiwi kids get on ?”…..
  
  “Math’s is Wacist. Let’s do kapa haka!”
  
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  November 27, 2017 5:01pm
  - itstricky
    
    Math’s is Wacist
    
    Perhaps they should be skipping Maths to do English.
    
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    November 27, 2017 5:37pm
    - nasska
      
      Don’t think they have much time to study English or maths nowadays Itstricky. Most of the school day is taken up with sport, culture, TOW studies & learning a certain stone-age, limited syllabary load of eyewash that no one in the civilised world speaks.
      
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      November 27, 2017 5:53pm
      - sam green
        
        Is it?
        
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        November 27, 2017 10:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  That’s funny…
  
  seems to take a few hours before the correct answer pops up.
  
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  November 27, 2017 5:17pm
Morrissey

A Brief History of America’s Cold-Blooded, Terroristic Treatment of Cuba
by NOAM CHOMSKY, Alternet, Feb. 5, 2015

The establishment of diplomatic ties between the US and Cuba has been widely hailed as an event of historic importance. Correspondent John Lee Anderson, who has written perceptively about the region, sums up a general reaction among liberal intellectuals when he writes, in the New Yorker, that:

“Barack Obama has shown that he can act as a statesman of historic heft. And so, at this moment, has Raúl Castro. For Cubans, this moment will be emotionally cathartic as well as historically transformational. Their relationship with their wealthy, powerful northern American neighbor has remained frozen in the nineteen-sixties for fifty years. To a surreal degree, their destinies have been frozen as well. For Americans, this is important, too. Peace with Cuba takes us momentarily back to that golden time when the United States was a beloved nation throughout the world, when a young and handsome J.F.K. was in office — before Vietnam, before Allende, before Iraq and all the other miseries — and allows us to feel proud about ourselves for finally doing the right thing.”

The past is not quite as idyllic as it is portrayed in the persisting Camelot image. JFK was not “before Vietnam” – or even before Allende and Iraq, but let us put that aside. In Vietnam, when JFK entered office the brutality of the Diem regime that the US had imposed had finally elicited domestic resistance that it could not control. Kennedy was therefore confronted by what he called an “assault from the inside,” “internal aggression” in the interesting phrase favored by his UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson.

Kennedy therefore at once escalated the US intervention to outright aggression, ordering the US Air Force to bomb South Vietnam (under South Vietnamese markings, which deceived no one), authorizing napalm and chemical warfare to destroy crops and livestock, and launching programs to drive peasants into virtual concentration camps to “protect them” from the guerrillas whom Washington knew they were mostly supporting.

By 1963, reports from the ground seemed to indicate that Kennedy’s war was succeeding, but a serious problem arose. In August, the administration learned that the Diem government was seeking negotiations with the North to end the conflict.

Read more…
https://chomsky.info/20150205-2/
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November 27, 2017 4:58pm
Digmen1

Just listed to Jacinda on Newstalk ZB (see links above)

She is a devious piece of work.
They had all the advice for years.
They promised a manned re-entry soon.
2019 is not soon.

Don’t promise what you cant keep.
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November 27, 2017 5:12pm
Digmen1

Clinton’s book should get the prize for the bets piece of fiction.
She is a lying, evil, woman.
She just can’t accept people did not like her!
Years ago I used to buy Time each week.
I’m glad I don’t now.
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November 27, 2017 5:16pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvPfqMvuLIM

WE WANT HALAL KFC IN NEW ZEALAND! @kfcnz @HalalKFCNZ

https://www.facebook.com/HalalKFCNZ/

David Legg: “And how is this a tragedy? Just eat the chicken, I’ll let you in on a secret, Allah doesn’t give a shit what you eat matey.”

“We Want HALAL KFCs Back In New Zealand
We Want HALAL KFCs Back In New Zealand It is personal choice dear. We need to respect them not criticize them. Are you a Muslim?”

“NOT CRITICISE THEM”

I’d fight to the death for a baghead’s right to halal K Fry
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November 27, 2017 6:49pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  “Support this virtual event to show demand of Halal KFC in Auckland. Please don’t forget to like the page as well.”
  
  DEMAND
  
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  November 27, 2017 6:55pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    But most of our meat in NZ is halal certified. Years ago that didn’t bother me. The more I’ve learned about islam, the more it does bother me: it’s a form of kuffar submission. I’d like the choice of buying (no more expensive) non-halal meat.
    
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    November 27, 2017 7:27pm
    - nasska
      
      Halal certification has crept in under the door because it isn’t worth the cost of separating products into halal & non halal. If you want to be on the safe side stick to bacon or pork chops.
      
      But it isn’t only meat. A few varieties of biscuits are certified pro head banger & there are sure to be other products.
      
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      November 27, 2017 7:35pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        pro head banger? Like biscuits for AC/DC fans?
        
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        November 27, 2017 7:39pm
      - Brigitte
        
        AC/DC? Well it’s a long way to the shop if you want a sausage roll!
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sUXMzkh-jI
        
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        November 27, 2017 7:46pm
      - nasska
        
        ACDC fans are gentle, civilised people who don’t blow themselves up in the name of their make believe deity. They live in relative peace with their neighbours & don’t sexually mutilate their daughters.
        
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        November 27, 2017 7:50pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        ACDC fans are gentle civilised people
        
        I was an AC/DC fan when Back in Black came out. Gentle and civilised we were not. But I’ll give you the rest.
        
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        November 27, 2017 7:54pm
      - nasska
        
        I’m with you on that treadingthemill. But my all time favourite was, “She’s got the Jack”! 🙂
        
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        November 27, 2017 7:58pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        The first time I heard that song I was sure he was saying “she’s got the clap”
        
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        November 27, 2017 8:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Halal is a cruel way of killing the animal
        The SPCA and Peta should be up in arms about it.
        As should we all.
        Ban Halal.
        
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        November 27, 2017 8:39pm
Monique Watson

Don’t care how my breakfast meat is killed as long as it is appropriately accompanied with hair of the dog.
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November 27, 2017 7:44pm
- nasska
  
  Bacon gently marinated in a sour mash bourbon with an eggnog Monique? 🙂
  
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  November 27, 2017 7:56pm
Monique Watson

And furthermore how the fuck can you guarantee Halal chicken? Dey no gonna look in one particular direction. They’re essentially flies with drums and wings and thank fuck for chicken licking good but they aren’t guaranteed to stare in the correct direction when the blade hits home.
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November 27, 2017 7:52pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL6vxncl8Fk
  
  Just don’t ask for bacon…
  
  Thank god he never asked him why mohammed married five year old Ayisha!
  
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  November 27, 2017 7:56pm
nasska

I can’t help but reckon that the Muslims haven’t thought this crap about seventy-two virgins through very well.

Imagine all the foreplay involved, put your leg here, put your head there, lift your arse up a bit, having to teach them everything…..tight holes, your cock frayed by the time you got to the third one.

Give me a well-used, fire breathing Kiwi hotarse any day. 🙂
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November 27, 2017 8:07pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Nasska, As a good kiwi girl said to me in the distant past, who wants to be a virgin on your wedding night!
  
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  November 27, 2017 8:26pm
Monique Watson

Gotta be a market for bacon flavored bourbon. Covers every single fucking base, Griddle cakes on the side.
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November 27, 2017 8:21pm
rightoverlabour

WTF? These guys are lucky they are not facing manslaughter charges. https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/99301212/commerce-commission-takes-action-over-false-fire-extinguisher-claims

I would say a whole bunch of customers should be knocking at their door…
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November 27, 2017 9:05pm
Manolo

Compromise is the word:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-signals-openness-changes-gop-152854378.html
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