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Hugh Pavletich

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SEVERELY UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TRAFFIC DRIVING HOUSEHOLDS FROM SYDNEY … WENDELL COX … NEW GEOGRAPHY

http://www.newgeography.com/content/005805-severely-unaffordable-housing-and-traffic-driving-households-sydney

Recent stories have detailed the strong net domestic migration out of Sydney, Australia’s largest city (metropolitan area). A well covered report by economist Callam Pickering has noted strong interest by STEM workers (science, technology, engineering and mathematics) workers in leaving the area (see here and here). Pickering cites high housing costs as a cause, while social researcher Mark McCrindle agrees and notes that “Sydney has the longest capital city commuting times in Australia.” Both are right. Sydney has the second worst housing affordability among the 92 major metropolitan areas in nine nations covered by the 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey. Only Hong Kong has housing affordability more severe. Moreover, Sydney’s traffic congestion is so bad that its average work trip commuting time is greater than that of traffic clogged Los Angeles, as well as 51 of the other 52 metropolitan areas over 1,000,000 population in the United States. … read morte via hyperlink above …
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November 23, 2017 8:02am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  Removing Auckland’s urban boundary could put lifestyle block values under downward pressure | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/91013/removing-aucklands-urban-boundary-could-put-lifestyle-block-values-under-downward
  
  Auckland’s lifestyle block market may be facing a particularly difficult summer.
  
  An indication of potential trouble lies within the Real Estate Institute’s latest commentary on the rural property market.
  
  “Advice provided indicates a high level of listings in areas on the fringe of Auckland City, with the anticipation of increasing sales to come,” its commentary on the lifestyle block market said.
  
  That increase in listings is coming at an interesting time. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:03am
  - Colville
    
    Hugh.
    Are you really so stupid to think that enabling a lifestyle block (that is adjacent to services) to be cut into residential sized sections would make it worth LESS?
    
    I mean…someone with a$2 mil quite decent house on 4 Ha could only get 50 sections and still have their house and pool!!
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:11am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
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      Colville … read closely the updated material on my archival website … particularly the Ardern / Twyford section … and draw your own conclusions …
      
      http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/index.html
      
      http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/General.html
      
      Hell … things are moving very fast on both sides of the Tasman now. Note at the bottom of the Ardern / Twyford section the link to the SHK article by Matt Wade and the IPSOS polling .
      
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      November 23, 2017 8:24am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        The downticking activity this morning has been exceptional.
        
        If only the Tories had displayed the same energy while in office for 9 years.
        
        It was more exciting watching grass grow !
        
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        November 23, 2017 8:28am
      - holysheet
        
        No Hugh, the only exceptional thing is you are to thick to realise no one on here reads the crap you post. Posividity is a trait you could learn from your little poster girlie Cindy.
        
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        November 23, 2017 8:40am
      - Harkman
        
        Dude what’s with this daily nonsense?
        
        And by the way Phil Twyford is a filthy liar, I wouldn’t tie myself to his mast.
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:18am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        It might have something to do with people being heartily sick of you being a parasite on DPF’s fine blog Hugh.
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:21am
      - Surely Knott
        
        How confusing from Labour, who are now channelling the ACT party.. Labour who set up the Waitakere Ranges Heritage Area and vehemently opposed westies who wanted rights to subdivide and utilise their own properties. In fact they oppose everything from airgun games to mountain biking to anything at all. And now labour is the party to vote for if you want the urban boundary removed. People who wanted to see the Heritage Area protected and voted the COL will be concerned. A vote for Labour is like Money or the Bag. You vote the bag and you have no idea what you’re going to get.
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:26am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        NZ housing reforms to kill the land bankers (speculators) – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/nz-housing-reforms-kill-land-bankers/
        
        Six years ago, I penned an article entitled Why developers land bank, which attempted to explain the drivers and motivations for land banking.
        
        Included in this article was the argument that land banking is more common in markets with regulatory barriers to land supply, such as urban growth boundaries (UGB), because this restricts competition from adjacent land owners on the wrong side of the UGB.
        
        By contrast, by removing the UGB, competition from adjacent land owners would increase, in turn making land banking particularly risky since another nearby owner would always have the opportunity to move to the market ahead of the land banker. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 23, 2017 11:35am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Shares in house builders nose dive as the Chancellor says he will grab their hoarded land but pound and FTSE remain unchanged … UK Daily Mail
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5107543/Pound-FTSE-100-hold-steady-Budget-speech.html
        
        Philip Hammond’s threat to compulsory purchase land to build 300,000 homes a year sent shares in Britain’s main housebuilders plummeting today.
        
        Barratt, Persimmon, Taylor Wimpey and Berkeley Group saw their share prices fall up to 3 per cent in the half an hour the Chancellor was standing in the Commons.
        
        But the pound and FTSE 100 held steady today after the Chancellor’s conservative budget speech.
        
        Mr Hammond warned that developers who drag their feet on house building could be forced to release unused plots. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 23, 2017 12:31pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Don’t forget the lessons from Ireland guys …
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_20_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1971764 … and … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/07/links-20-july-2017/#comment-2919583
        
        LEARNING FROM THE IRISH 2007 HOUSING CRASH … THE SEVERE COSTS OF MULTIPLE STRETCH … read more via hyperlinks above …
        
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        November 23, 2017 1:58pm
      - starboard
        
        *snigger*..ive reported hugh 3 times for being a cock..heh?
        
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        November 23, 2017 2:35pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Support for Labour/NZ First/Greens Government up from October, with government confidence the highest it’s been since the start of the Key era, according to Roy Morgan Research | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/news/91050/support-labournz-firstgreens-government-october-government-confidence-highest-its-been
        
        The latest Roy Morgan poll results show Jacindamania lives on as the new Government settles into office.
        
        Support for the Labour/NZ First/Greens Government has increased 6% since early October to 54.5%.
        
        Meanwhile support for a National/Act Government has slumped 5.5% to 41%.
        
        The Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating has jumped 15.5 points to 146.5 points – the highest since early in the John Key era in January 2010.
        
        Roy Morgan Research CEO, Michele Levine, says Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern has brought a new level of confidence to New Zealanders with the generational change she represents. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:10pm
      - sooty
        
        Christ, Hugh give it a rest. No one is listerning.
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:15pm
      - starboard
        
        Lol Roy Morgan poll..about as reliable as one ply bum paper after a dodgy vindaloo.
        You’re a dreamer Hughie.
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:52pm
- holysheet
  
  Done my morning duty. Only another 28 to go.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:04am
  - RalphT
    
    Ditto. Once message from Hugh first up I can just tolerate, but two simply isn’t cricket.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:10am
  - sooty
    
    He shit the bed this morning and heading into oblivion. Hes half way there in 5 mins.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:11am
waikatogirl

Stephen Joyce interviewed on TV3 this morning. Is his fiscal hole likely to be larger than the $11.5b?

Stephen stated Grant Robinson is not acting like a finance minister who normally puts the brakes on spending and the taxpayers will have to pay for.
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November 23, 2017 8:04am
- Inandout
  
  Duncan tried to say well ‘Stephen would say that’, but Mark was more realistic, and like most of use will say ‘we warned you’. I don’t think Ruby Lips had an opinion on this.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:07am
  - waikatogirl
    
    At least Duncan did question whether the $11.5b would blow out and said he had heard perhaps $$16b. Stephen was fairly non-committal but agreed if Liarbors spending continued the way it has been the $11.5b hole could be conservative.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:15am
- Poppa
  
  No Labour minister puts brakes on spending that is not in the DNA
  
  It will be borrow & spend. I am sure that they will borrow big time over the next 2 years & that is after blowing the surplus we had and winding back the tax cuts
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:09am
  - peterwn
    
    Actually all previous Labour finance ministers have taken some fiscal responsibility – far more so than Grant Robertson. OK one can accuse Labour of election bribes etc, but previous Labour governments were far more fiscally constrained than the present mob.
    
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    November 23, 2017 11:29am
- holysheet
  
  You need to get with the program WG. Where is your positividy and good feelz?
  The anointed one has it all under control, absolutely posividly under control.
  
  Lets do this.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:09am
  - VicParking
    
    Look on line for my new ‘Man Bag’ wheel barrow you will be able to use to carry around your $1,000,000,000 notes.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:26am
    - jp_1983
      
      Personally I like to do this to my money
      https://i.pinimg.com/736x/8f/57/46/8f57462242c9d64173c02bf8fec7ffa3–weimar-wwii.jpg
      
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      November 23, 2017 8:55am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    To be pedantic, I always thought it should be
    ‘Let’s do this.’
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:33pm
- Maxx
  
  Maybe Robbo has got his credits and debits columns mixed up. Easy enough to do when you don’t know what you’re doing!
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:12am
  - holysheet
    
    He lives his life backwards, so why not get his figures arse about face as well.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:20am
- jims_whare
  
  Minister Robertson is acting more like Samta on a Christmas float – lollies for everyone.
  
  Oh with one exception – no lollies for the taxpayer.
  Everyone knows that the taxpayer must pay their fair share of tax – I mean you dont expect Santa to buy the lollies do you?
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:34am
Longknives

So this Guy gets stabbed in the chest with a ‘foot long’ knife and it wedges between his ribs…
Then he rides his motorbike home and patches himself up?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/99154737/eco-warrior-pete-bethune-knifed-in-brazil

More holes in this story than Swiss Cheese-
Honestly this self-professed ‘Eco Warrior’ tells so many Porkies he should join the Labour Party!
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November 23, 2017 8:06am
- waikatogirl
  
  Same idiot who ‘totalled’ his carbon fibre eco-boat when he ran it into the side of a Japanese whaling ship in the Southern Ocean.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:21am
  - CHFR1
    
    Wasdn’t this the clown who also killed a fisherman in the boat as well??
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:32am
    - CHFR1
      
      Yes he is. http://thedailysuppository.blogspot.co.nz/2010/02/pete-bethune-serial-idiot.html
      
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      November 23, 2017 8:35am
      - Longknives
        
        The Herald version of events is slightly different- But I note our ‘Eco Warrior’ also claims he has been shot at and stabbed while “Arresting People”…
        How many people has Pete Bethune ‘Arrested’? Seriously? Does he have Powers of Arrest?
        I thought his bunch just filmed people and threw smelly butter at them…
        
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        November 23, 2017 11:09am
      - sooty
        
        That’ll teach him to exced his powers of arrest.
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:17pm
kevn

I read that winnie is now offering tips for the new dictators in Zimbabwe. I’m sure they will ignore it. He needs to get into North Korea and give them some tips as well, that was the plan wasn’t it?
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November 23, 2017 8:06am
- holysheet
  
  Nah, the drunken dwarf will do anything to keep himself away from our parliament and all those pesky questions we would all like answers to.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:13am
- Maxx
  
  There’s only one place Winston needs to go and thats into the Pike River mine. Don’t forget to give him his matches.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:13am
  - Digmen1
    
    No I want to see him in Parliament to realise what a mess he has created.
    And to watch all the NZF policies be sidelined.
    Like being tough on crime.
    Getting all New Zealanders working.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:21am
    - Maxx
      
      You know that nothing will stick to him. He was artificially created and has a Teflon coating.
      
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      November 23, 2017 10:54am
- sooty
  
  Where’s Winny!
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:15am
  - VicParking
    
    On Red Radio this morning. Guyon was so careful not to upset him by asking difficult questions. Only thing of substance that came out of the interview was thae fact that if the ‘150’ come to NZ and rape and pillage it will all be Nationals fault for making the offer in the first place.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:31am
    - tf78
      
      I noticed Larry Williams trod very carefully with him last night as well – do you think they have “been warned”.
      
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      November 23, 2017 9:51am
  - Happychappy
    
    Winston Peters is a germ and only fronts for what mates he has left in the Media. If John Key or Bill English had been this invisible the Media would be throwing tantrums.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:39am
    - RF
      
      Some good information from a nurse i know who works in a large rest home. Peters support base is disappearing fast thanks to his dodgy behaviour and lies.
      
      Cancelling Nationals proposed pension increase was the nail in his coffin.
      
      Anyone still supporting him appears to suffer from dementia.
      
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      November 23, 2017 9:56am
- slightlyrighty
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimbabwean_Fifth_Brigade
  
  The last thing Zimbabwe needs is more North Korean ‘help’. It’s not widely known that the Zimbabwe Fifth Brigade, initiated by Cde. Mugabe to “combat malcontents” in Zimbabwe, were trained by North Korea.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:48am
  - VicParking
    
    All they have done is swapped one dictator for another.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:45am
Left Right and Centre

From book Kiwiana – The Sequel . . .

Of course, despite the law, drinking in NZ had hardly ever finished at 6pm. There were always ways around legislation that got between a man and his thirst, and numerous thoughtful premises enabled drinkers to carry on regardless. One such was the elegant sounding Café de Paris hotel, situated opposite the Palmerston North railway station, and therefore a handy after-hours spot for passengers on the Main Trunk. Four such passengers who called in for a quick one on Christmas Eve 1953 got waylaid and were left behind when the train departed.
Abandoned in Palmerston North, they later found out that their train had plunged into the river at Tangiwai

Well – I liked that story anyway. ‘Waylaid’ ? Wasted ?
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November 23, 2017 8:09am
- CrazyIvan
  
  I know a story of an old-timer from the Uni football club here in Wellington who’d finished his exams and was going home to Hamilton for Xmas in 1953.
  
  He was sidetracked by his mates in the pub at the railway station and missed the train. He caught the morning one which was diverted through Taranaki – discovered that he would have been sitting in one of the carriages that ended up in the river.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:34am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I have a better one.
    Was talking to a bloke a few years ago (he’s since passed away) who was on the way to visit his rellies in the Coromandel for Xmas. Got off the train at Taihape for a quick beer and missed the whistle signalling its departure.
    Took him three days to hitchhike to Coromandel (knew nothing about his train going in the river) and when his rellies opened the door they thought they were looking at a ghost.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:19am
    - G152
      
      As that particular train went through Taihape around 9pm and six oclock closing was all the rage I suspect you got told a porky
      
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      November 23, 2017 10:38am
      - sooty
        
        Spoil sport? It was a good story.
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:20pm
Maxx

Did the other members of the NZF caucus and the board members know about Winstons pending court action whilst they were negotiating?

Would be another reason why Winston is so eager for his Waka jumping bill. They must be wondering what they’ve got themselves in for and looking back at what Winnie was pushing during the talks to sway them.
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November 23, 2017 8:09am
- cmm
  
  I bet there are some very itchy feet in the waka.
  
  They’ll be keeping their options open. If they have any sense then this is what they do:
  
  Wait until the waka jumping bill gets to its final vote, then threaten to jump waka right before the vote unless they get some special deal.
  
  If Labour and Winston force the waka jumping bill to a vote, then likely they’d get three or four jumpers right then – enough to bring down the government.
  
  Winston thinks waka jumping will keep his minions in place, but, more likely, it will force them to jump.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:20am
  - VicParking
    
    Agreed.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:33am
- RF
  
  The school girl said that it was a personal matter for Mr. Peters.
  
  She then touched her forelock
  
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  November 23, 2017 10:00am
Prince

Ardern is a compulsive liar. She lies for no particular reason.
She also has no grasp of policy detail. Even at a macro level.
Chris Hipkins is introducing legislation to ensure children under 5 cannot start school.
OK, he can do that. I think most parents would rather make that decision themselves, but there you are.
So Ardern, when questioned on this, says…
“”…we’ve got the flexibility there for parents to make what they think is the best decisions in the best interest of their kids.”
No, sorry, you don’t. It’s actually the opposite.
From the same article..
“Parents keen to send their children to school when they are four years old will no longer be able to do so when the Government changes the rules next year.”

So Ardern has just told a bare-faced lie.
Why ? I presume she thinks she can say anything and the media will suck it up.
Well it does go unchallenged by ‘journalist’ Jo Moir, but judging from the comments, others are not buying it.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/99124048/government-to-take-away-option-for-children-to-start-school-at-four-years-old
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November 23, 2017 8:12am
- Maxx
  
  She’s been reading “The Art of Politics” by Winston Peters.
  
  “If caught out in a lie, keep going forward with your truth. Ignore the question and keep talking. If still being questioned, throw another issue into the mix, if no other issue exists or none is big enough, create one.”
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:18am
- All_on_Red
  
  The whole idea of being able to start at under five is so Parents can have some flexibility.
  If little Johnny turns five half way through a Term, he should be able to start at the beginning of the Term and not have to wait for the next one.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:27am
  - Maxx
    
    And it’s only 5 or 6 weeks isn’t it? And it’s so they can start school with a group at the same time – easier to make friends and not be potentially an outcast.
    
    Labour knows best. I expect they’ll start moderating all news/posts about them soon.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:30am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Exactly. It’s about making it easier for them to join the mix.I don’t think anybody is really starting their vhildren at 4
      
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      November 23, 2017 8:38am
      - niggly
        
        Exactly too. What we encountered was children (including ours) that were 4-5 years old were being ignored at daycare as the caregivers had to devote most of their time and attention to the incoming 2 year old children.
        
        We would have liked the option to send our children to school, what 5-6 weeks before they actually turned 5, be in a place with other similarly aged children and start some real learning.
        
        By that stage most children are wanting to learn more anyway.
        
        Thanks for nothing Labour – Jacinda and Hipkins – absolute tossers.
        
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        November 23, 2017 8:58am
    - Lance
      
      Our daughter started school while she was 4.
      The school asked to assess her. She was asked to draw a picture of a person, she drew a correctly proportion figure with 4 fingers and a thumb on each hand.
      That and other clues satisfied the school she was ready to start school, and she thrived.
      But now nanny state knows best. Hold back the kids and bore them to tears, mess around the ones with birthdays near the end of the year etc.
      
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      November 23, 2017 8:53am
    - tf78
      
      I watched the Bolt report last night and had a dreadful thought – without those older critical/logical thinkers – (including Leighton Smith, Mike Hosking and Larry Williams in NZ) our world will change immensely because of all the young imbeciles taking charge of various countries throughout the world. We the older people will be completely irrelevant and worthless, they will want us silenced as they rewrite history to suit their own agendas.
      
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      November 23, 2017 10:05am
      - MCos
        
        Are you suggesting the country would be better off with Hosking as PM?
        Presumably as leader of the Nats, which is a bit of a stretch.
        
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        November 23, 2017 11:31am
  - Ross12
    
    I thought this was one idea that was supported by schools and teachers. By having groups of kids starting at the same time made it easier (and in most cases better for the kids) to go through the introductory steps for school together.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:40am
- KevOB
  
  This latest folly and light bulb decision is based on what?
  We have near 5 yr olds being enrolled because they’ve outgrown pre-school and they are ready to move on. That’s why schools have been enrolling them.
  Similar with delaying enrollment to a 5th birthday child who has been visiting school for the past term.
  
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  November 23, 2017 10:45am
- Paulus
  
  She has turned into a pathological liar.
  Or probably was always.
  After all she is the most important person in the Universe, to her.
  I am now sure that she has no concept of what she says or does.
  We used to call it Gobby as well.
  
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  November 23, 2017 10:53am
- Piniwi
  
  Funny Prince how they seem so disjointed. Her reaction to Chippie when he announced the $50 per week for students was even funnier. It contradicted what she had said earlier and there was a little shake of her head and a black look. Differences were once confined to the caucus room where blood was often spilled but not it is a public display as everybody goes for glory. Now they will be just bleeding support.
  
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  November 23, 2017 4:39pm
Drake

So what is up with the new roy morgan poll? They are combining the Labour / NZ First vote into a single number, which disguises the fact that a) NZ First is again on exactly 5% (and it seems unlikely to rise anytime soon) and b) Labour is still in the 30s and behind National. So a massive bounce of 3 percent or so. Would this be one of the worst first out polls for a new governing party in NZ?
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November 23, 2017 8:17am
- sooty
  
  Hit the wrong button, sorry for report.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:20am
- VicParking
  
  Its alright to do that with the left. Jacinda and Winny are now connected at the hip so its all above board.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:22am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Haha, hearing Winnie on Morning Report did not give me the impression they’re well joined at all. I’m starting to agree with whoever believes he’s striving for PM.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:32am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Got the same feeling, refer my post below.
      
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      November 23, 2017 8:37am
  - hullkiwi
    
    E cept after hearing Winnie this morning, I suspect they are not.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:39am
- Prince
  
  Based on their manifesto, NZF are well to the left of Labour.
  Their ‘social services’ spending would make Metiria Turei’s eyes water. All to be funded by some unspecified crackdown on multinational tax avoidance.
  I think it is time we accepted NZF are an extreme left wing party, dressed up with some racist trimming to attract the infirm. and the odd bewildered right wing ex-National MP.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:32am
  - Maxx
    
    Didn’t they have some policy back in 2014 that was around taxing all international transactions by .01% that was going to generate BILLIONS or something like that. I remember him going on like he was some financial genius seeing something that no one else could see.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:42am
  - Paulus
    
    You mean that NZF are more left wing than Cinderella, and the Greens.
    Some accolade.
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:55am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Indeed Drake – that Roy Morgan poll is a real surprise.
  
  Yes it is disturbing to have a government with under 40% support (thank you MMP), but still 39.5% (and a 3% bump) for Labour seems implausible given their clown show over the past month.
  
  I’m not surprised about National support tailing off, two disappointment factors for disaffected National voters would support that:
  a) Bill managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory
  and
  b) “Two-time” Bill staying on illogically as leader
  
  Which shows again the paucity of choice NZ voters have, it seems that unhappy National supporters are even prepared to go to Labour rather than waste their vote on Act (who stay exactly the same at 0.5%). Then again David “Little Boy” Seymour seems to have returned to his normal troughing level of dormancy after the flurry of action for the 5 weeks leading up to the election – not even a tweet from him for a month now. Oh well, I guess we’ll hear from him again in 2 years and 11 months time as election 2020 gets going.
  
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  November 23, 2017 10:47am
  - Maxx
    
    Hopefully, Seymour is taking the time out to work out what voters who may vote for ACT actually want. What is their lightning rod issue.
    
    And then spend the next 3 years banging on about it. If asked a question about the economy, turn the question around to what his voters want.
    
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    November 23, 2017 11:00am
  - Prince
    
    I don’t blame him for not tweeting.
    Respect for Seymour for being the only MP to vote against the extension to paid parental leave.
    The level of personal abuse he, and any National MP, eg Bishop, get whenever they venture near twitter is astounding. There’s vitriol, then further along the scale there’s the left wing on Twitter.
    
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    November 23, 2017 11:05am
  - flipper
    
    Drinking the toxic woman’s promoters’ Kool-Aide ??? Before becoming orgasmic and trying to read tea leaves sprayed by the notoriously inaccurate RM ‘poll”, get some front line experience in politics. Not the sort that Daddy taught you …
    
    In case you haven’t noticed the, RM drawers have always been up and down like Dyke Simpson’s ******* .
    
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    November 23, 2017 12:00pm
JIV

The latest report says Tesla is losing $12k a minute and are struggling to produce the Tesla 3 that they’ve promised to almost 400,000 people who paid a deposit. but they’ve said dont worry as they’re expecting significant cash flows soon. Also, have you seen our new Roadster which you can reserve for $365k or the Semi truck which you can reserve for $7k.

How is this not a Ponzi scheme? Current losses are covered with future promises.

How long before Elon Musk starts shedding his 20% share?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/99121813/tesla-burning-through-12000-every-minute-amid-model-3-production-woes
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November 23, 2017 8:18am
- cmm
  
  The whole Tesla business model was designed around hand outs.
  
  Under Obama they were getting about $35k of cheese per car.
  
  Basically the taxpayer funding toys for rich pricks (and putting vast wealth into Musk’s back pocket).
  
  I’m not sure if Trump has slammed the door shut on this rort, but I hope so.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:24am
  - Maxx
    
    They were also getting money from other car manufacturers as states had laws that manufacturers had to build a certain percentage of EV’s. As Ford etc. weren’t producing any, they purchased credits off Tesla. Now these companies are producing EV’s there goes that money stream.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:33am
  - Gruffydd
    
    The whole Tesla business model was designed around hand outs.
    
    Tesla business plan from 2006 .
    
    As you know, the initial product of Tesla Motors is a high performance electric sports car called the Tesla Roadster. However, some readers may not be aware of the fact that our long term plan is to build a wide range of models, including affordably priced family cars. This is because the overarching purpose of Tesla Motors (and the reason I am funding the company) is to help expedite the move from a mine-and-burn hydrocarbon economy towards a solar electric economy, which I believe to be the primary, but not exclusive, sustainable solution.
    
    Critical to making that happen is an electric car without compromises, which is why the Tesla Roadster is designed to beat a gasoline sports car like a Porsche or Ferrari in a head to head showdown. Then, over and above that fact, it has twice the energy efficiency of a Prius. Even so, some may question whether this actually does any good for the world. Are we really in need of another high performance sports car? Will it actually make a difference to global carbon emissions?
    
    Well, the answers are no and not much. However, that misses the point, unless you understand the secret master plan alluded to above. Almost any new technology initially has high unit cost before it can be optimized and this is no less true for electric cars. The strategy of Tesla is to enter at the high end of the market, where customers are prepared to pay a premium, and then drive down market as fast as possible to higher unit volume and lower prices with each successive model.
    
    Without giving away too much, I can say that the second model will be a sporty four door family car at roughly half the $89k price point of the Tesla Roadster and the third model will be even more affordable. In keeping with a fast growing technology company, all free cash flow is plowed back into R&D to drive down the costs and bring the follow on products to market as fast as possible. When someone buys the Tesla Roadster sports car, they are actually helping pay for development of the low cost family car.
    
    The family car is in production the S and X are dominated the luxury large car segment .
    
    Where are Tesla at with technology now?
    The ICE internal combustion engine car is screwed.
    
    https://www.tesla.com/roadster/
    Roadster 2 base model.
    Acceleration 0-60 mph
    1.9 sec
    Acceleration 0-100 mph 4.2 sec
    Acceleration 1/4 mile 8.8 sec
    Top Speed Over 250 mph
    Wheel Torque 10,000 Nm
    Mile Range 620 miles
    Seating4
    All-Wheel Drive
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:41am
    - Soffet
      
      And sometimes they catch fire…
      
      https://electrek.co/2016/08/15/tesla-model-s-catches-fire-test-drive-france/
      
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      November 23, 2017 12:04pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      And slower round the Nurburgring than a Mercedes 3 litre diesel. Great for traffic light poseurs, not so much for driving any distance, and not for competition.
      
      Plus once you factor in battery costs, the lifetime ecological footprint is *worse* than a petrol engines car.
      
      But don’t let the hype get in your way…
      
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      November 23, 2017 12:24pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        Yess ed I drive every day on the Nirenberg ring
        as does every one .
        Hang on
        Few on this blog have even been on a race track
        let alone in their personal car.
        
        The four door family sedan Tesla S seats 7 and smokes every production car including multi million dollar low volume exotics on the road at legal speeds.
        
        It doesn’t need expensive maintenance every thousand K’s to do so.
        No scheduled service required over eight years for the drive line warranty.
        
        The present Tesla sedans don’t do racing
        Battery cooling capacity limits the output.
        
        A new design with what they know from the last ten years of real world data?
        Roadster 2 will be around the ring before your ICE has warmed up to operating temp. The specs above are ONLY for the basic version. Not the hotted signature edition .
        
        Plus once you factor in battery costs, the lifetime ecological footprint is *worse* than a petrol engines car./
        
        ROFL.
        Yip if you live in the loony world of RWNJ’s.
        http://www.popularmechanics.com/cars/hybrid-electric/news/a27039/tesla-battery-emissions-study-fake-news/
        
        Ten years and you will not even consider buying a new ICE car.
        
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        November 23, 2017 1:27pm
- holysheet
  
  Maybe we need a counter to show how much Musk is losing on the american taxpayers behalf?
  It would equal what this Liabore cluster fuck is doing to us.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:25am
  - VicParking
    
    Just use the tree counter its about the same X 1000
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:36am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, the money men are backing away from Musk
  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-21/morgan-stanley-tesla-will-surge-400-crashing-200
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:33am
  - realityczech
    
    “the money men are backing away from Musk”
    
    Nonsense Maggy. The money men stay well away from him. He gets his money by fraudulently getting handouts stolen from the taxpayers by corrupt politicians.
    
    He certainly does not make it from selling crappy cars riddled with faults.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:44pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Since his companies have gone public his shares have been propped up by Morgan Stanley… obviously with all the crap that Tesla has got into (laying off hundreds
      https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/17/tesla-firings-former-and-current-employees-allege-layoffs.html)
      The folks holding shares in Musk want to dump them…. so they are talking up his company waiting for suckas to buy their shares at a nice price.
      
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      November 23, 2017 8:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        The shares had value due to govt handouts. Not because the fraudster had created a viable business.
        
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        November 23, 2017 8:54pm
- Gruffydd
  
  I know in planet KB you build cars without plant to do so .
  You make them all first then build the production capacity to build them with.
  
  Lets look at the Tesla production history of the model S
  
  2010
  
  The company plans to build up to 20,000 of them (model S) a year, though like all the other information in the presentation, there’s an asterisk on that claim that points to a footnote saying “Planned.”…
  …..
  Many industry analysts believe that the complexity of the pack internals required to monitor, isolate, and cool the cylindrical cells make it impractical to scale from current production of perhaps 1,000 packs a year to the tens of thousands envisioned for the Model S.
  
  https://venturebeat.com/2010/12/20/2012-tesla-model-s-all-electric-sedan-progress-schedule-timeline/
  
  2012
  
  This morning the company told investors that it will fall well short of its production targets for its Model S electric vehicle, and that it needs to raise additional funds to keep operating over the next 12 months.
  ……
  Tesla started production of the Model S in June, and so far it has delivered only 132 of the 5,000 vehicles it originally planned to deliver by the end of the year.
  
  https://www.technologyreview.com/s/429343/tesla-blames-new-delays-on-production-difficulties/
  
  2017
  
  The company announced it expects the number of Model S and Model X vehicles delivered in the second half of 2017 to surpass the total delivered in the first half of the year (47,077) by several thousand units, bringing total deliveries for 2017 to over 100,000 vehicles. If that prediction holds true, Tesla deliveries of its large cars will be up nearly a third this year versus last year.
  
  https://cleantechnica.com/2017/10/02/tesla-expects-model-s-model-x-top-100000-2017-q3-deliveries/
  
  Same shite different day.
  
  PS zero hedge maggy lovey .
  Dear dear.
  Wack blogs and wingnuts.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:28am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Have another cup of Chicken Little KoolAid
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:49am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Cool aid
      Yum Yum
      Is that like voting for Peters whacko?
      
      Cool aid is wingnut projection .
      https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wingnut
      Wingnuts think because they live in an anti reality bubble every one else does.
      
      FWIW
      You are one of my special fuckwits on here
      Anti science nutters to thick to get how stupid their denial of physics really is.
      
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      November 23, 2017 11:01am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Amusing, the anti-science denier thinks others are deniers. Projection much ?
        
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        November 23, 2017 12:26pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Anti-science? This from the guy who places his faith in theories that have been disproven by observational evidence.
        
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        November 23, 2017 1:34pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        What evidence is that krazy ?
        Global warming .
        http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html
        The fact that the stratosphere is cooling means the effect is within our atmosphere.
        http://images.remss.com/msu/msu_time_series.html
        
        You do know what a theory is?
        Our best understanding of the world around us.
        
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        November 23, 2017 2:12pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        theories that have been disproven by observational evidence.
        
        Disputed, not disproved, and most scientists in the relevant fields don’t find the dissenting arguments credible.
        
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        November 23, 2017 2:21pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        First you have to find out what they actually think is disproved.
        
        Most have their favorite piece of bullshite.
        Ed’s is the 97% is debunked because he thinks every single paper that contains the words global warming or climate change has to lay out global warming from the theory of black body radiation on. He gets this nonsense from some random blog he read yet will not back up his source with a link.
        
        krazy just blathers pigeon chess most the time.
        
        If you actually get engaged with any of them it always ends up in a global conspiracy including every major scientific body on the planet the reinsurance industry the UN ,the governments of every country except one , the USA army ,navy ,and air force, the world bank, etc etc etc …..
        
        They are Nutters.
        They can not cope with the reality as it interferes with the validity of their world view.
        The cognitive dissonance means you can not reason with them.
        
        You can not reason a man out of a position he was not reasoned into.
        
        KB where you have otherwise sane peploe that collectively engage in a paranoid conspiracy theory.
        
        After about twenty thousand comments on the subject pointing out their idiocy I know I am not going to change their minds .
        So I just give them shite for being loonytunes.
        
        https://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php?f=taxonomy
        
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        November 23, 2017 2:48pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        griff, there is Not. One. Shred. of scientific evidence that establishes the extent, if any, of human impact on global climate.
        
        Lots of theories. Yes.
        
        Evidence? No. None.
        
        You’re a fool for blindly adhering to the orthodoxy. I was there once, but I opened my eyes.
        
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        November 23, 2017 8:36pm
    - Happychappy
      
      It wouldn’t be any worse than the Winston First spew that you swallowed. ??
      
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      November 23, 2017 1:23pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    I can’t say if the Tesla business model is ok or not, and I don’t care. That electric is the way of the future is obvious, and it’s just a matter of time before it’s the norm. The internal combustion engine is going the way of the dinosaurs.
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:55am
    - Jack5
      
      But will it be hydrogen-electric?
      
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      November 23, 2017 10:58am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        China is pushing ahead with hydrogen fuel-cells
        http://www.fuelcellcars.com/hydrogen-fuel-cell-car-development-intensifies-in-china/
        
        http://www.cn.undp.org/content/china/en/home/presscenter/articles/2017/09/14/accelerating-a-hydrogen-based-future-in-south-china.html
        
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        November 23, 2017 12:12pm
    - Paulus
      
      Whilst electric is all the rage – where is all the electricity to be produced, and how ?
      A year or so ago the UK was said to have to build four more Nuclear Power stations to supply the motorists.
      
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      November 23, 2017 10:58am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Refining oil uses as much energy to produce a liter of petrol as a car would run directly on that energy.
        
        Hydrogen ?
        Physics hurts .
        http://energypost.eu/hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-competitive-hydrogen-fuel-cell-expert/
        
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        November 23, 2017 11:11am
    - treadingthemill
      
      I’m not saying that electric is the only way, just one that is worthwhile pursuing. But the old adage of not putting all your eggs in one basket applies. We should be exploring many options to wean ourselves off of non renewable sources.
      
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      November 23, 2017 11:05am
  - flipper
    
    Griff may have changed his name. But he still uses marijuana every morning, noon and night, and is therefore still the same dumb, drug riddled, shit.
    
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    November 23, 2017 11:48am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Well done flippy .
      You produced a reasoned and informed opinion based on factual evidence .
      .
      .
      .
      [Sarc]
      
      Meanwhile.
      Who needs pot when you can laugh at the deluded RWNJ’s on KB .
      
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      November 23, 2017 12:04pm
VicParking

TVNZ is shorting programs so that they can fit in more adverts. E.G. Big Bang Theory is shown in the USA on a thursday so by monday you can watch it on YouTube, advert free, before its shown in NZ on Wednesday. On Wednesday I was a a friends place and they watched the program with them. I noticed that a few seconds of the program, compared with the USA version I watched, were missing just before and sometimes after adverts. They did not change the plot but as these moments are usually funny they diminish ones enjoyment. This is so they can fit in an extra advert per program, or and extra advert break per night.
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November 23, 2017 8:20am
- waikatogirl
  
  Definitely more ads. Last night I think I counted x4 ad segments in a 1/2 hour programme. Almost gave up and went to bed.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:51am
- dime
  
  lol tvnz are fucked. id say shame on you for watching big bang but i still watch…
  
  anyway, just download it.
  
  Dime has always been a rapidgator man.. but am now mainly using https://real-debrid.com/ cheap as.
  
  feed a torrent mag link into that bad boy and you cant be tracked. super fast. will also take rapidgator links and a bunch more.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:59am
- Digmen1
  
  Yes I hate the fact that they don’t show the credits.
  
  Fuck them.
  I watch as little tv as I can.
  
  I hate the way they crank up the number of ads towards the end of a movie.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:26am
- Inandout
  
  I pay $18 odd a month for Netflix and can stop and start shows whenever it suits me, with no ads at all. I record shows like The Chase and Choice travel, so I have no need to visit TVNZ Pure bliss.
  
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  November 23, 2017 10:12am
- Fletch
  
  I notice that they often also do a split screen thing in some programmes like The Chaser so that they can show the (incredibly fast) scrolling credits in one half of the screen while the programme itself finishes playing in the other half. I guess it’s a way of fulfilling their contractual obligation of showing the credits while actually not. No one could actually read them
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:56am
- krazykiwi
  
  US-produced shows targetted for a 60min slot have ~55minutes content. About 10 years ago TVNZ was chopping prime-time shows to 43 minutes + 17mins of ads, meaning local editing took out around 12 minutes of original content, ie around 22%
  
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  November 23, 2017 1:40pm
hullkiwi

Winnie the Poo on RNZ Morning Report, interesting feedback, & interesting listening. Clearly, he hadn’t had any discussions with officials about Zimbabwe, basically the reason for the interview. But the rest was really revealing, in that it looks like we have two govts in one. In that we have Liebore & whatever they are doing & then we have NZ Last & what they are doing. If that is the case, it is going to be easy to drive a coach & horses through the schisms that will open up.
Back to the interview.
1. Manus Island, he repeated that National put the offer on the table in 2013, & that Cindy was only confirming, but he discussed it & the issue of the $3mill offer as though he had not been part of the discussion.
Then they discussed TPPA, & when asked if NZ Last could support the deal, he claimed it was a different deal because of the housing issue, ISDS process, and that they are still working through the deal. But as we know, the deal on the table is not significantly different from that tabled by National in January.

So what we learned, Peters is a liar & holds the NZ public in contempt & we have 2 govts in one. Thanks Winnie Poo, I hope you have a dreadful retirement after the next election, for what you will put this country through until then, because of your desire for utu. WP is beneath contemptible.
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November 23, 2017 8:21am
- Maxx
  
  So, nothing new then?
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:25am
- cmm
  
  “because of your desire for utu.”
  
  No, he desires the baubles: Cindy wanted it more and offered the biggest baubles.
  
  He’s just using the utu as a justification for his outrageous choice to make it look principled.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:28am
  - Maxx
    
    Winnies Chrsitmas tree must look amazing with all of the baubles.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:33am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Sorry cmm, a reference to Winnie & making a principal based decision is incongruous & being in the same sentence defies logic.
    
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    November 23, 2017 11:49am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Winnie on Morning Report just would *not* answer whether he supported the repeated 150 Manus ‘refugees’ offer by Comrade Taxinda.
  
  He kept saying that National originally made the offer in 2013 and that it’s ‘too late now’ to ask whether he supported the offer.
  
  Quite interesting: he sounded bitter and angry, as if he thought the whole thing was a very bad idea but wouldn’t quite come out and say it. The old angry ‘will you let me finish?’ Winnie even raised his head, after a few moments of trying to be ‘Winston Peters Potential PM, More Statesmanlike Than Taxinda’.
  
  However, he made some good points (perhaps he reads KB): the situation is very complex, the Oz policy has indeed prevented all the boat people drownings there previously were, Oz doesn’t want people using NZ as their back door entry. He even claimed that Oz Liberals and NZ Labour accept that the policy has prevented drownings. Interesting: Taxinda hasn’t said so at all!
  
  I do think National need to make it clear that when they made the offer it wasn’t for 150 rebels who refuse to cooperate with Oz and PNG and may be raping children, but for some of the original ‘refugees’, most of whom have cooperated better, and only once properly vetted etc. Winnie is trying to make it sound like the whole situation is National’s fault.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:28am
  - hullkiwi
    
    I concur, he sounded very removed from everything, & I was left wondering if had spoken to any of the cabinet or MFAT officials in the past month.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:43am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      Or he’s not out of the loop at all. Perhaps he strongly disagrees with Labour and Greens with their ‘open arms to poor refugees’ naivety. Perhaps he knows many Kiwis do too and he’s doing the groundwork for a kind of coup: ‘See, Jacinda can’t do the job. Make me PM or you’ll lose the next election’.
      
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      November 23, 2017 8:55am
      - Paulus
        
        Peters would not listen to Cinderella anyway – he is using her to his own whims.
        Doubt if they say anything but “Good Morning”.
        
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        November 23, 2017 11:01am
    - waikatogirl
      
      He may have spoken to MFAT but there was not much listening. Afterall, Winnie knows it all.
      
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      November 23, 2017 8:56am
  - KevinH
    
    Winston obfuscated on the question of whether the 150 Manus Island refugee’s would use NZ as a backdoor to Australia.
    This issue is the sole reason for Australia delaying their decision to repatriate those refugee’s to NZ.
    If indeed the offer is accepted by Australia there most likely will be a precondition that the refugee’s are barred from entering Australia via NZ.
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:36am
    - Paulus
      
      Will not happen !
      All New Zealanders will require Visas including the revision of the 450,000 already living there.
      Australia is becoming much more a racist country as they have taken in so many racists immigrants anyway.
      It is becoming, over recent years, much more prominent.
      New Zealanders fall among the racist formula and can be discarded.
      
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      November 23, 2017 11:05am
    - marcw
      
      If any deals were made regarding barring future entry, then I wouldn’t believe that situation would survive at all. Once some ‘bleeding heart’ human rights lawyers and activist judges got involved, it would be overturned in a heartbeat.
      
      So any such deal would be essentially worthless, and the Aussies are not that stupid to realise this.
      
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      November 23, 2017 11:27am
    - MCos
      
      ‘Winston obfuscated on the question’
      That’s not like him . . . .
      
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      November 23, 2017 11:42am
billmurray

Is Winnie back in NZ yet, or is still tripping the light fantastic across the world.
Look at me , he says to everyone, I own the NZ government.
I do not smell.
No no no come closer, I do not smell.
I got 7 percent in our elections.
New Zealanders love me, he says.
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November 23, 2017 8:21am
- Paulus
  
  New Zealanders love me like Zimbabweans love Mugabe.
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:06am
peterwn

From Oz – flight delayed an hour as some CEO passenger refused to put his tablet on flight mode. Similar to the guy in NZ who refused to listen to the special exit row safety briefing.
QANTAS should send that CEO the bill for delay costs. Hope CEO buys executive jet so he no longer disrupts other passengers.
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November 23, 2017 8:21am
- cmm
  
  The other option is for QANTAS and other airlines to get a grip and realise that wifi signals etc are not going to crash planes.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:32am
  - CHFR1
    
    cmm that may be (and indeed is) true but the point is that for the time we are in the metal tube flying through the sky the cabin crew are in charge whether we like it or not.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:59am
    - cmm
      
      Sure, people should follow the rules, even if only to make people feel ok.
      
      But the rules are broken.
      
      For all the stupid checks they have to make you feel like they’re doing something (eg. taking off shoes), most audits show massive fails.
      
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      November 23, 2017 9:22am
      - CHFR1
        
        I don’t disagree with you and think the security stuff is pure Kabuki theatre, the things I have seen pass the scanners would boggle the mind.
        On the crew telling you to put the tablet in light mode we disagree though as in the air the crew rule and while the rule is silly it is in place and we do have to obey it.
        
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        November 23, 2017 10:27am
  - Chris2
    
    Same with prohibition on using a cellphone at petrol stations. Well and truly busted by the Mythbustster show.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:03am
    - peterwn
      
      Electrical safety at service stations was of significant concern when CNG was all the rage. Issues were identified both with installation of CNG dispensers as well as existing petrol pump installations. AFAIK there have not been any forecourt fires or explosions due to electrical faults and it is fair to say that an increased awareness of these issues probably averted problems.
      Agreed that a cell phone that is already switched on would not be a problem but operating any switch with mechanical contacts or unplugging USB etc could cause a freak mishap.
      
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      November 23, 2017 1:54pm
  - peterwn
    
    That is not an airline decision. It depends how resistant avionics equipment is to stray cell and wifi signals. The most modern equipment would be OK but there is a large quantity of older gear in use where interference could be an issue. Murphy’s law also comes into it. It is one thing Murphy’s law causing grief to a programmer or technician and another causing an aeroplane to crash. This is why there is extra touchiness at takeoff and landing.
    Similar in hospitals – cell phones used to be banned in wards since medical equipment could be upset by the signals. Modern equipment is not affected by cell phone signals so the ban was relaxed.
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:34pm
- Prince
  
  Suggest they publicise the CEO’s company.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:37am
- Maxx
  
  Talking of planes, heard any interesting stat the other day. 46% of pilots had admitted at some point waking up at the controls having fallen asleep. What was more surprising, 33% of them also said that their co-pilot was also asleep!
  
  Highlights one of the issues with what is required with the first stage of self drive vehicles where the driver needs to be ready to take the controls. Monitoring is very monotonous!
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:38am
  - cmm
    
    Flying planes is a very simple task to automate compared to driving because the environment is far more predictable. Basically you don’t get kids running across the road in front of you, or roadworks for that matter, at 50,000 ft.
    
    That’s why we have had autopilots for decades and self driving cars are not yet mainstream.
    
    People have this idea that self driving cars will be able to fetch the kids from school or drive while you sit in the back and have breakfast. Anything like that is a long, long, way off.
    
    The Google cars in California are required to file “disengagement reports” every time the driver thought the automatic system was doing something stupid and took over controls. There are hundreds of these every year, so clearly nowhere ready for the mainstream yet.
    
    In those reports, the driver responded immediately. That means they need to be fully aware of what is going on around them. They can’t be screwing around with their tablet or taking a nap.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:06am
  - peterwn
    
    Also an issue with railway locomotive drivers. NZ locos were fitted with a timer and alarm which the driver has to regularly reset. ‘Dead mans’ handles and pedals are often provided on multiple unit trains so if the driver falls asleep or is incapacitated the train will stop. Then drivers in Sydney found the pole on warning flags was just the right length to keep the pedal engaged on some trains and there was an accident. All the flag poles were shortened slightly to stop that racket.
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:41pm
flipper

The present New Zealand political/economic situation is note worthy for three things, that appear to rival taxes:
Lies,
Damned lies, and
Peters/Ardern sophistry – or worse.

A pox on them!
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November 23, 2017 8:24am
- Nostalgia-NZ
  
  I don’t care about any lies discovered after the election, I’d much rather see them amend positions they took – particularly if it benefits the economy. I noted Jacinda being interviewed about dental costs last week, she pointed out the free care for those under 18 but said there was no budget for free care for those over 18. The sooner they become fully pragmatic with an eye on the economy foremost the better for everyone. I note the coalition is now softening its position on immigration – sensible enough. If they are clever they can progress with the middle ground, that’s the trick. Blatantly copy Bill and JK. Westpac dropped GDP to fall from 2.6 to 2.4 (as had other forecasters) largely on plans to reduce migration, but increasing in 2019 and 2020. Yesterday the Minister of Immigration slid sideways on that as well.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:43am
hullkiwi

Is it me, or is it a case of someone who has an uncanny similar resemblance to lying Cindy?
I am referring to the poor “real person” model used in the new ANZ bank campaign. The woman in those posters has the same toothy grin, the same strained facial expression, giving her an uncanny resemblance of Taxcinda.
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November 23, 2017 8:34am
- VicParking
  
  Also there is as program called “married with three wives” or something simular. In the adverts for the program one of the three wives is a doppelganger for Jancinda.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:42am
waikatogirl

Does Cindy really understand what “lying” is? Or is she so self-absorbed that anything she utters is how she sees the world, and opposing views by anyone else is wrong? You see, Cindy is always right in Cindy’s eyes. I think we have a complete airhead as our PM Select, who thoroughly believes she is amazingly intelligent and only she knows the true way forward.

I’m beginning to question whether she actually believed she was telling the “truth” when Paddy Gower asked her whether she had ever told a political lie.
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November 23, 2017 8:40am
- cmm
  
  She is really a teenager in arrested development:
  * Thinks commies are cool.
  * Has a boyfriend.
  * DJs
  * Makes pathetic excuses (ummm I don’t have Julia Bishop’s number).
  
  Teenage years are the peak years for dishonesty, so no wonder she lies.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:11am
  - sooty
    
    Yep, 37yrs old still just a teenager.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:17am
- doggone7
  
  Does she really understand what “lying” is? Probably as good an idea as John Key had. Funny that
  since he finished his supporters have developed this fine sense of what it is! Or a version of what they think it is now!
  
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  November 23, 2017 10:00am
- Paulus
  
  She does not have to tell the Truth – she is Prime Minister thanks to Peters – and he is like her always right.
  She is the Truth, the Way and the Light, in all things – sometimes called Hubris.
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:10am
oldpark

Another good little earner by some banks. Maybe even the peoples Kiwibank. A friend of mine had a large deposit with that bank .The term was for 5 months. the rate was 3.55% over that period. The amount invested was $368,000. The stated 5 months period became 150days for purposes of a payout.
The bank paid out $5368.77 before tax of 17.50% . My friend rang that bank and told them they should have paid out before tax of 17.50% an amount of $5443.33.
Bank argued that that was the right way to do it. Even though 5 months became 150 Days for my friends investment.
Sounds like a nice little earner that some banks are exploiting ,and by the sounds of it getting away with it.
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November 23, 2017 8:42am
- Ed Snack
  
  So they short paid by $80, they’re hardly going to get rich on that, really.
  
  Not that I condone the practice.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:03am
  - oldpark
    
    Maybe. Except how many other investors are getting short changed. Your comment is exactly the way they think as well . What is a few dollars scammed here and there is no big deal. Maybe that that type of business practice is just the tip of the ice-berg.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:17am
- Lance
  
  Some basic principles
  1. Banks are out to screw every cent out of you they can get
  2. Bankers are not your friends. They might be nice on the surface when you are doing well but will mercilessly screw you over the moment things get tough
  3. ALL banks are the same
  
  These lessons were told to me many years ago, I thought they were the ramblings of a bitter old man.
  Alas, over the years of being in business I found them to be 100% true
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:04am
  - kevn
    
    lance… Yes, banks are just fair weather friends.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:14am
- Ashley Schaeffer
  
  The stated 5 months period became 150days for purposes of a payout.
  
  It pays to read the fine print.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:07am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    So tiny and often in light blue that they make sure you can’t read it…
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:20am
  - MCos
    
    The big print giveth, the fine print taketh away
    Tom Waits
    
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    November 23, 2017 11:54am
- Maxx
  
  The bank hasn’t scammed or made money of your friend.
  
  Interest is calculated daily. To get your figure of $5443.33 you would have worked out annual interest and divided it by 12 to give you a monthly amount of $1088.667. Multiplied by 5 you get $5443.33.
  
  Banks don’t work like this and nor should they. It is clearly spelt out in the disclosure statement. They had the money for 150 days. The daily interest rate is $35.79178. Multiplied by 150 comes to $5368.77.
  
  They had the money for 150 days. They paid interest on the 150 days. They paid the money and the interest back. If they had held it for 5 months then it would have come out at 152 days (guessing as I would need to know the exact dates).
  
  Usually shorter terms (less than 12 months) are done in days as months are messy with some having more days than others.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:28am
  - KevOB
    
    I believe it is an American practice where years are 360 days with 12 x 30 day months. Amortisation tables for loans are frequently stated that way.
    
    It all comes down to the contract. We have been a 365 day country and for payroll 365.25 days/annum but that’s negotiable.
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:58am
    - Maxx
      
      Used to work in a bank and frequently had to work this out for people. Amount of money x interest rate. Divide by 365 to get a daily amount. Times by the number of days. If the term deposit has quarterly compounding stop at the compounding day, add the interest earned to the principle and work out a new daily rate. Repeat until the end of the term.
      
      There are other mathematical ways to do it that are faster, but people wouldn’t believe you unless you worked it out like this. Unless it was compounding daily in which case A = P (1 + r/n) (nt)
      
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      November 23, 2017 11:09am
  - howitis
    
    Correct.
    ..and the capital would have been available to reinvest elsewhere.
    
    In addition, if the TD had been set up to rollover for another period it would have been earning again on days 151. 152 and so on.
    If not, and the money was required elsewhere, then it was available at 150 days. There was possibly a paper trail or else details would be available online. I am not familiar with the Bank of Anderton.
    
    It is up to the person with $368,000 cash lurking about to manage their money, or not.
    If the bank was wrong – I strongly suspect not – then take it up with the banking ombudsman.
    If facts are as Maxx says, it will go nowhere.
    
    Key elements are : Principal sum; specific term; nominal interest rate; whether compounding within the term; and instructions at end.
    
    Personally with 368K I would set up as separate $100,000 (plus 68k overlap) amounts with same term and instructions. This provides flexibility if one needs access to some of the cash for an emergency situation. Same earnings, more flexibility.
    
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    November 23, 2017 12:27pm
- jonno1
  
  You haven’t made it clear whether the actual period was 150 or 152 days. The term deposit certificate would have stated the start/finish dates, and the end-date payments before and after RWT.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:40am
  - KevOB
    
    It sounds like the contract was for a fixed 5 month term with a month defined as 30 days. Caveat emptor.
    
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    November 23, 2017 2:52pm
- Callum
  
  They pay out for days held, I guarantee thy only had the money for 150 days. Term deposit advice will state the number of days. It is done that way because days in a month vary.
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:31am
Maxx

In regards to the increase of the minimum wage to $20 to help low income people, some interesting research starting to come out of Seattle’s large increase.

What they have found is that there hasn’t been large scale layoffs etc. The numbers of people employed has generally stayed the same, however rather than employing someone who is unskilled on minimum wage of $15ph, they’re employing the next tier up on $20ph who they won’t have to spend as much time training, will be able to hit the ground running as they have some experience, and have history to show work ethic. Previously paying the minimum wage employee was ok as the difference between the two was large enough to justify the additional costs.

So this policy to help low skilled, low wage people is making it harder for them to get a job and get some skills. Conversely I was talking to a mate who is a sparky and was looking to take on a couple of young guys to give them a chance and get them into an apprenticeship, now he’s going to take one experienced guy who he know’s will do the job.
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November 23, 2017 8:49am
- Harkman
  
  Automation
  
  https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/608636/increasing-minimum-wage-puts-more-jobs-at-risk-of-automation/
  
  https://www.cnbc.com/2017/07/02/seattles-minimum-wage-hike-may-have-cut-wages-and-jobs-study-author.html
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:27am
- Digmen1
  
  So that’s why there is no manufacturing in the USA and lots in China.
  If they put the wage up in Seattle manufacturing might come back!
  There should be a much lower wage for a single young person, and an apprentice.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:30am
- KevOB
  
  The wage “increase” for caregivers has already had disastrous effects.
  Hours have been reduced.
  Workloads have been increased.
  Higher performance and skill requirements are being required.
  
  [From my wife who ministers amongst these staff.]
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:07am
lifesgood

Are we now living under a dictatorship? It seems to me that Labour are making drastic changes to a vast number of things without them being debated in parliament. Am I missing something here? Can they just willy nilly do what they like with no discussion at all?
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November 23, 2017 8:55am
- waikatogirl
  
  Apparently!
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:02am
- jp_1983
  
  such as?
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:07am
  - jp_1983
    
    Ok ill bite,
    Parliament is in recess this week
    
    Governments normally announce something by press release then they introduce a bill and it goes through three readings.
    
    Yesterday they announced that 4 years cant start school so they will stop this by ammending the Education Act.
    
    If you want to keep 4 years olds starting school at that reasonable time, when select comittiee comes round put in a submission
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:23am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Yes that issue annoyed me, wasn’t it just pragmatic that teachers would only get two intakes of new entrants a year, and they could all go through together and the teacher would not have to have too many children at different parts of the ‘curriculum’.
      
      Most of the children have some discipline after being at day care.
      
      I would have thought that teachers would prefer it. What does a few weeks matter anyway, it should be less disruptive to a class.
      
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      November 23, 2017 1:48pm
    - doggone7
      
      Is that a drastic changes to a vast number of things?
      
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      November 23, 2017 3:39pm
    - Piniwi
      
      Funny that jp-1983 since the official Parliamentary Calendar shows it sitting this week?
      
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      November 23, 2017 4:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Nope…
        
        or at least not the one I’m looking at
        
        https://www.parliament.nz/en/calendar
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:09pm
- doggone7
  
  C’mon, I’ve got the patience to read the ‘vast’ list if you’ve got the patience to produce it.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:54am
- KevOB
  
  Where’s their mandate?
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:08am
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GROPERS
No. 8: Rolf Harris

The woman said she was “shocked and confused” by Harris’s actions.

“I certainly didn’t flirt with him. He could have been my grandfather,” she said. She did not complain to the police at the time because even her father was dismissive when he heard what happened, the court was told.

After telling her father Harris was a “dirty old man” and had “a bit of a go”, she said he replied: “you shouldn’t have worn that tight pink jumper”.

https://www.themorningbulletin.com.au/news/harris-nicknamed-groper-rolf-says-his-accuser-cour/3179291/

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November 23, 2017 8:59am
- Ed Snack
  
  Rolf is another one with a penchant for children, or so it is reported.
  
  Who’s next, Conyers ? And I still don’t see Harvey Weinstein on the list, or is he defined as less into “groping” and more into coerced sex ?
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:06am
  - Morrissey
    
    Don’t worry, Ed, they’re both on the list. And, yes, Weinstein is indeed a groper.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:22am
    - Classic Liberal
      
      But, Morrissey, we’ve seen all this stuff on the MSM. Yes, they’re bad. But why do you bring them up on KB, unless it’s a new case?
      
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      November 23, 2017 9:34am
      - Morrissey
        
        Great question, my friend. I guess there’s nothing really new under the sun. It’s all a question of re-presentation in the end. I’ll probably run out of steam with this series eventually, just as I did with “Liars of Our Time”…
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-07062015/#comment-1026357
        
        and “Wimp Walloping”….
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-08052013/#comment-629931
        
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        November 23, 2017 10:00am
      - starboard
        
        Good..
        Is that when you will fuck off?
        
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        November 23, 2017 11:08am
      - Morrissey
        
        starboard: [with a show of world-weary exasperation] Good.. Is that when you will fuck off?
        
        BREEN: No fear! Here, have a look at this nifty little graphic, made possible by those clever folk at the Joint Photographic Experts Group. It expresses what I have to say perfectly….
        
        https://antitrustlair.files.wordpress.com/2016/05/here-to-stay.jpg
        
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        November 23, 2017 6:51pm
      - GoVege
        
        I was molested in a swimming pool when I was 8, though I didn’t realize it at the time.
        For years after I couldn’t figure out what that long hard object this old dude pressed against my groin was…perhaps some unusual flotation device attached to his swimming shorts?
        
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        November 23, 2017 8:15pm
      - nasska
        
        “Hello, is that the police?”
        
        “Yes it is.”
        
        “I’d like to report a crime. I was sexually abused as a kid in the seventies by a celebrity and I want justice and recompense for all my suffering over the year.”
        
        “OK, I’m sorry to hear that. And which celebrity abused you.”
        
        ” The rich one that died recently.”
        
        “What Rodney Bewes?”
        
        “Was he rich?”
        
        “I don’t think so……he hadn’t acted in a while”
        
        “Not him then. OK, who else you got?”.
        
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        November 23, 2017 8:33pm
- sooty
  
  The trolls running interferance!
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:14am
  - Happychappy
    
    Does Morris Miner get off thinking about all these groppers he has named.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:46am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Gee, what happened with those accusations of Al Gore groping masseuses?
  https://www.businessinsider.com.au/two-more-women-accuse-al-gore-of-assault-2010-7?r=US&IR=T
  
  Did they get shoved under the mat?
  
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  November 23, 2017 10:38am
  - Morrissey
    
    That f**kwit Gore is on my list, Maggy.
    
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    November 23, 2017 4:25pm
- skyblue
  
  Where is Peter Davis in the list?
  
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  November 23, 2017 10:51am
- GoVege
  
  Every day in the Third World, God knows how many poor little girls have their private bits cut off with a rusty razorblade, sans anaesthetic.
  Thousands of young girls are raped and sold into prostitution, usually by their parents.
  But they don’t matter.
  What matters is some first world young girl had her boob squeezed 40 odd years ago by a dirty old dude.
  Waddaworld…..
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:28am
- Sir Leslie Bottocks
  
  never let the facts get in the way of a good smearing eh Breen?
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/93166569/Jury-discharged-in-Rolf-Harris-indecent-assault-trial-no-verdict-reached
  
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  November 23, 2017 1:09pm
softail 1450

winston on morning tv ,OMG what a mess he’s aged 10 years in two months,still no answers though.
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November 23, 2017 9:03am
- sooty
  
  Will he last the distance, even though it may be short! Can you see NZF imploding if so.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:13am
  - Poppa
    
    I am sure his party is now history, & I will happily drink to that
    
    He has no place in Government he has only ever been a stirrer & does not know how to be constructive
    
    I, and many others I speak to, hope this gaggle of losers fall over before the next election
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:20am
    - lifesgood
      
      Oh no! You mean we have to wait that long?
      
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      November 23, 2017 9:53am
    - Maxx
      
      I don’t drink anymore but I do have a nice 18yr old bottle of Jamieson that I will open if this happens – or if it implodes before 3 years is up.
      
      I wonder if Winston has now decided that because he won’t be PM ever, so he’ll never have that to be famous for, that it is better to live in infamy – the man who brought down every Government he was part of. I think that would put him up in the history books with the top prime ministers.
      
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      November 23, 2017 11:16am
- waikatogirl
  
  Saw the replay at 12.00. I agree, Winston looks awful, old and haggard.
  
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  November 23, 2017 1:38pm
Keeping Stock

Your nastiness knows no bounds Morrissey. You really are a despicable creature, consumed with hate.
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November 23, 2017 9:27am
- Swifty
  
  The hate is what fuels them KS.
  
  Righties are much nicer people I have found.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:31am
- Morrissey
  
  I report ’em, my friend. Those deadbeat dads did the despicable deeds, I just report them.
  
  Surely your anger would be better directed at someone like David Cameron, who made a career of lecturing the poor about “responsibility”, but clearly exempted himself from the standards he so self-righteously pretended to believe in.
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:40am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    That’s fine. You report them with glee, and just as gleefully (with no anger whatsoever), I shall report you. I encourage others to do likewise.
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:12am
  - Swifty
    
    Let the hate flow through you.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4zYlOU7Fpk
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:28am
  - Inandout
    
    You are pure evil Morrisdancer.
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:28am
Harkman

Does Cindy know any policy specifics at all?
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November 23, 2017 9:30am
- Maxx
  
  Yes, the clear and transparent policy that is obfuscated with lies.
  
  And when this fails, go to a school and have a day of selfies with everyone so the MSM can gush over how well-liked she still is!
  
  At least the Nat leaders had the guts to go to places where they knew they weren’t liked because that’s the job.
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:18am
MH

The Pike River recovery Agency has now been re-established under the auspices of the Ministry of Silly Walks.
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November 23, 2017 9:31am
- kowtow
  
  or the funniest joke in the world!
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:45am
- KevOB
  
  Where is the legislative authority for the creation of such an agency? How can it pay or do anything?
  If it is established has the Auditor General been given undertakings that expenditure will be approved in an appropriation shortly?
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:12am
Digmen1

Sir John Key and Bill English would be rated by most as very good fathers.
Good family men.

Unlike Helen Clerk and Jacinda who have not had children.
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November 23, 2017 9:38am
- Morrissey
  
  Sir John Key and Bill English would be rated by most as very good fathers.
  
  The evidence shows otherwise….
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11737059
  
  http://www.pridenz.com/gaynz/4991.html
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:46am
  - Inandout
    
    Oh so you gay virtue as well.
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:29am
    - Morrissey
      
      Not at all. I’m just appalled by privileged bullies. And English Jr’s harassing behaviour wasn’t just one silly incident, it went on for weeks.
      
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      November 23, 2017 6:45pm
kowtow

Sexual assault is ok in the NHS in England ……… if you’re a Pakistani.

PC gone mad.

And why the gummint don’t deport him is beyond me.

‘Qureshi admitted he made a misjudgement but said ‘cultural norms’ were different in the UK to his native Pakistan and he failed to spot a ‘red light’ warning him to make no advances towards the victim. ‘

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5106709/Doctor-molested-nurse-gets-job.html#comments
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November 23, 2017 9:42am
flipper

Heh Keeping….
The thing that calls itself “Morrissey” might well be Dyke Simpson (yes, the same one whose deviant preferences cost H1 in New York), and someone known for conspiring to defraud the Nation of some $900,000 for the Clark pledge card. I have therefore corrected just one of its idiotic assertions:

” …. Deadbeat D(ad)yke No. 1: Heather Simpson
Deadbeat Dyke No. 2: Helen Clark
Deadbeat Dyke No. 3: H1
Deadbeat Dyke No. 4: H2….. ”

Now, shall we start on the many similar Redmelons and Peters’ sycophants ????
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November 23, 2017 10:04am
- Inandout
  
  I heard ‘minge muncher’ on Catherine Tate show last night.
  
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  November 23, 2017 10:30am
- thedavincimode
  
  I’m a happy participant in poking the borax, but is this sort of thing really necessary?
  
  Maybe its just a case of me drawing my own line in terms of ‘good taste’ 🙂 between “drunken dwarf” or “porcelain chops”, and “deadbeat dyke” (repeatedly) or “minge muncher”. The latter two just seem, to me at least, to lower the tone excessively.
  
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  November 23, 2017 10:40am
flipper

Just had a look at the Roy Morgan web site.
Geez… Red Vernon must already be working hard to sell Morgan that load of crap. No, it is worse than crap. It is a fraud both in terms of sampling data and presentation spin.
Just a disgrace to the polling industry.
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November 23, 2017 10:12am
Stars And Stripes

Took a detour down to Kawhia the other day to have a look at a place that pops up in the news every once in a while sometimes for the wrong reasons.
Have to say I was quite surprised how native it was with numerous blobs sunning their spare tyres on the esplanade while pushing greasy shit down their gobs.
Saw some cars with a warrant and rego but probably in the minority I would say.
Lastly to the person who left their number on the wall in the public toilet saying they were horny and would like an anal interlude, well if the residents of Kawhia turn you on then enough said as it’s only one step down from here to being aroused at the WINZ office.
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November 23, 2017 10:41am
- MCos
  
  ‘Lastly to the person who left their number on the wall in the public toilet saying they were horny and would like an anal interlude’
  
  The number didn’t work
  
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  November 23, 2017 12:28pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The 1 is missing from the end, try again and get back to us
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:23pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The Wellington fairy may have it, ask him
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:23pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Winston will have it for sure but will never tell you
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:24pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  That’s harsh, it’s a beautiful place.
  
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  November 23, 2017 1:53pm
- lifesgood
  
  I do enjoy your turn of phrase. Best chuckle of the day S and S.
  
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  November 23, 2017 3:38pm
Lance

What a shithead
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November 23, 2017 10:45am
Jack5

Oliver Hartwich, of the NZ Initiative think tank, speaks wisdom on local bodies.

Look at the well-run Swiss, he says.

Rodney Hide’s super fuck-up, the Auckland super city, is an example of how big means a bureaucracy blow-out. There wasn’t a precedent. Christchurch earlier had a good twin-councils arrangement that was blown into a super-socialist bureaucracy by axing the Waimairi council.

Mergers are carrion for the consultant-jackle pack, then, the new entities soon lapse into inertia with ratepayers safely in the distance.

Meanwhile why haven’t National and ACT had the nous to oppose the latest move to make central government – that is taxpayers – the guarantors of local body borrowing. Local bodies will abuse this, that’s the real guarantee.

Good on you, Oliver, and here’s a link to the report about his view:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99086688/nz-institutes-oliver-hartwichs-argument-against-amalgamation-uses-swiss-example
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November 23, 2017 10:49am
- Jack5
  
  Whoops:
  Edit – there was a precedent (Christchurch).
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:07am
Jack5

What is going on in the gender war?

Is it way past the campaign for equal wages? Are “they” now trying to eliminate “male” as a gender?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5107639/PIERS-MORGAN-God-s-sake-let-boys-boys.html
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November 23, 2017 11:04am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Who is “they” Jack? What is the end goal of “those” who push this nonsense?
  
  Why do “the people” who control the MSM even give this sh*t credence?
  
  “Who” is Magnus Hirshfield, the original pusher of this transgenderism shit and what happened to him?
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:12am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    2 books for your learning Jack
    
    https://www.fishpond.co.nz/Books/Culture-of-Critique-Kevin-MacDonald/9780759672222
    
    https://www.fishpond.co.nz/Books/Brave-New-World-Aldous-Huxley-Margaret-Atwood-Introduction-by/9780099477464
    
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    November 23, 2017 11:24am
    - treadingthemill
      
      Reviewing Macdonald’s Separation and Its Discontents in the American Jewish Society Review in 2000, Zev Garber, Professor of Jewish Studies at Los Angeles Valley College, wrote that MacDonald works from the assumption that the dual Torah is the blueprint of the eventual Jewish dominion over the world and that he sees contemporary antisemitism, the Holocaust, and attacks against Israel as “provoked by Jews themselves.”
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Culture_of_Critique_series#Criticism
      
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      November 23, 2017 11:30am
      - Jack5
        
        It’s hard to have a discussion in Kiwiblog GD without the ☪ Kea ☪ flock blaming the issue – whatever the issue is – on “the Jews”.
        
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        November 23, 2017 1:22pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        @ Jack5
        
        The obsession with Jews on this blog, given how few of them there are in New Zealand, is just bizarre.
        
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        November 23, 2017 1:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        Whatever ☪Kea’s☪ on I’ll have one.
        
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        November 23, 2017 1:35pm
- treadingthemill
  
  Let boys be boys and girls be girls, and let those who don’t identify with either be themselves. Live and let live. We don’t need to force children in any direction other than being decent, loving and tolerant human beings.
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:25am
  - Gruffydd
    
    Soon the day will come when science will win victory over error, justice a victory over injustice, and human love a victory over human hatred and ignorance.
    Magnus Hirschfeld
    
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    November 23, 2017 11:42am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      The woman who needs to be liberated most is the woman in every man, and the man who needs to be liberated most is the man in every woman
      
      Also Magnus Hirshfield…..
      
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      November 23, 2017 12:04pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    That’s perfectly fine ttm, but there seems to be an expectation and insistence these days that everyone must know and care about their personal condition…
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:45pm
Manolo

Comrade Miss Ardern is burning money as if there is no tomorrow:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/personalfinance/govt-reveals-costings-for-student-allowances-boost/ar-BBFtt21

The government has buckled under pressure and released the total cost of its plan to boost student allowances and loans to cover living costs.

The Labour Party confirmed yesterday it would press ahead with a $50 per week boost for students from next year.

It has now released the preliminary costs taken to Cabinet when it made the decision.

The policy is estimated to cost $94 million this financial year and then roughly $200m a year from then on.

Labour had forecast before the election that the policy would cost about $273m a year.
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November 23, 2017 11:10am
- Maxx
  
  It shows that they’re having to underspecify costs now as the true costs are spiralling out of control. How off could the costed policy have been? We know x amount of students have an allowance and they have it for y amount of weeks. x*y*$50=$$$
  
  I’m sure it’ll come out closer to $300m than $200m. The spin will be about how successful the programme is and this is what the MSM will report.
  
  This is why is it is crucial for the Nats to push Lab to get their costings out so they can run their numbers over them, report the differences they see, and then when that’s what eventuates, it’ll further eat away at Labs stated financial capability to manage the economy.
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:45am
- Prince
  
  I wonder what the Treasury costings were. Were there any ?
  
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  November 23, 2017 12:16pm
  - Paulus
    
    Am sure there were Treasury costings but like “call me Sir” Cullen, the new Tax COL Committee leader, they may have told Treasury to leave out such as the ACC deficit of $2 billion in the last PREFU of the Clark Government.
    This Government know better than the professionals in Treasury.
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:22pm
  - Maxx
    
    Didn’t they get rid of the person that was seconded from the treasury a few years ago? Or did they get that person back.
    
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    November 23, 2017 5:38pm
treadingthemill

Whenever possible, buy local.

‘What we’re after is a level playing ground’ – NZ growers facing tough market competing with cheap imports. Horticulture NZ CEO Mike Chapman said mandatory labeling of origin would help consumers support locally grown produce.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/were-after-level-playing-ground-nz-growers-facing-tough-market-competing-cheap-imports
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November 23, 2017 11:22am
- Maxx
  
  I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t think I have ever been influenced by country of labelling on anything.
  
  If it fits my requirements, and it’s the right price, I’ll buy it. For food, my requirements generally fall into freshness and flavour, so in that respect I generally buy local, but I don’t set out to.
  
  However, if all else is even between the two goods, including price, NZ Made/Grown would (probably) sway me.
  
  Sorry, I’m just a capitalist pig who believes free trade will make things better in the world.
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:54am
  - Digmen1
    
    Every time our wages go up, our produce goes up so we import more and produce less!
    
    Great for the economy and our balance of payments.
    
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    November 23, 2017 12:04pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    I like to know which fruit is from the US, because it tends to look large and ‘perfect’ but taste watery and flavourless. Many NZ oranges look smallish and slightly imperfect, but they usually taste great.
    
    Probably not something for gvmt to get involved in, but sensible producers will want to show where they’re located. Let people make their own decisions.
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:13pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      I agree. Bought some Aussie mandarins. Threw them out as they were tasted like mud. When it comes to food I am particularly fussy about its origin. NZ origin of food labelling please!
      
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      November 23, 2017 1:51pm
  - wiseowl
    
    It is not a level playing field Maxx.
    Consider that our producers are so tied up in costly regulations now that many small producers are pulling out.
    Talking to a friend who was audited last week and queried about a sign in his smoko room.
    It said ‘Please Wash Hands ‘
    He said what’s wrong with that?
    He had to add ‘before returning to work’
    
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    November 23, 2017 3:33pm
  - lifesgood
    
    Soon there won’t be any NZ grown fruit and veg since the bureaucratic idiots are allowing the subdivision of the best horticultural land for sprawling housing estates. They are even talking of carving up Bombay and Pukekohe. It’s an utter tragedy.
    
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    November 23, 2017 3:45pm
JibberJabber

Stock up on Anal Lube, the countries biggest scumbag is preparing his fist,
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11947072
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November 23, 2017 11:24am
- RalphT
  
  Excellent! After being completely rogered by Douglas we can now expected to be michaeled by Cullen.
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:34am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Wow – what on earth is this….
  
  A progressive tax and transfer system for individuals and families
  
  We’ve come to understand:
  “progressive” usually means marxist
  “transfer” usually is associated with theft
  
  Most disturbing!
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:45am
  - treadingthemill
    
    “progressive” usually means marxist
    
    No.
    
    A progressive tax is a tax in which the tax rate increases as the taxable amount increases
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_tax
    
    We already have a progressive tax system, and I think we always have. National in some ways actually made it more progressive.
    
    “transfer” usually is associated with theft
    
    Only if you consider all taxation theft.
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:23pm
  - JibberJabber
    
    Progressive means, you`ve got it, we want it.
    
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    November 23, 2017 2:50pm
- Maxx
  
  FFS. If there “diverse range of tax and finance experts” are all from academia then we are well and truly fucked.
  
  And if Ganesh Nana (or anyone else from BERL) end up on this we know that the numbers will add up, but only in the narrowest of narrow confines in which they are presented, that is, have no reflection on the real work.
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:58am
  - sooty
    
    How’s going to find the time for this, or has he saved auckland already. Talk about double dipping!
    
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    November 23, 2017 12:17pm
slightlyrighty

I notice that TVNZ had an economist on Breakfast this morning disputing the article by Forbes that we may be heading into recession as a result of the new government.

I wonder if he’s one of the economists that TVNZ spoke to who also said Stephen Joyce was wrong about the $11.7 billion dollar hole in Labour’s books.
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November 23, 2017 11:32am
- treadingthemill
  
  ‘Steven Joyce brushes off controversial Forbes article’
  
  You’d think a Forbes column predicting Labour will drive the New Zealand economy into a recession would be welcomed by ex-Finance Minister Steven Joyce. Think again. “This is just one guy with another opinion. Frankly, I’ve seen all sorts of opinions from around the world,” he told The AM Show on Thursday. “I wouldn’t put too much credence in that.” Reaction to the Forbes article on social media was largely negative. Some suggested Mr Dillian’s background as a Lehman Brothers trader prior to the global financial crisis destroyed any credibility he might have. Lehman’s collapse in 2008, the biggest bankruptcy filing in US history, is credited with putting the crisis into overdrive.
  
  Others pointed out basic factual errors in Mr Dillian’s piece. He got the date Ms Ardern became Prime Minister wrong, and claimed a quote from her first interview as Prime Minister-elect actually came during the election campaign, which had finished a month earlier.
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/steven-joyce-brushes-off-controversial-forbes-article.html
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:42am
  - Fletch
    
    The Herald has also highlighted the article.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11946728&ref=NZH_fb
    
    What can you say though with the dollar heading for a 1 percent weekly decline, the price of butter locally up 60% over this time last year, and the price of petrol at a three year high?
    
    Mike Hosking reckons some of the claims in the article are correct.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11946937&ref=NZH_fb
    
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    November 23, 2017 12:48pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Joyce wasn’t jumping the shark, Garner also tried to make him say that he was glad that such a report had emerged, Joyce, rightly in my opinion, stated that after all of the good work put in by National that he hoped that some of Labour’s talk would come to nought and that it wasn’t a given yet.
    
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    November 23, 2017 2:01pm
- alloytoo
  
  I saw an article via news hub which has Joyce himself “poo poo’ing” recession talk.
  
  His confidence is both good politics and good for the country.
  
  What a refreshing change to have an opposition that isn’t trying to push the nation down the whole time.
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:50am
  - Maxx
    
    Joyce believes in our economy. Our Deputy PM though doesn’t. Which should have influence over our country.
    
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    November 23, 2017 12:00pm
Captain Mainwaring

Can anyone hazard a guess as to why a small white twin-engined plane has been going around and around in circles above Petone all morning?
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November 23, 2017 11:41am
- treadingthemill
  
  It’s breeding season and it’s looking for a mate?
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:43am
  - KevOB
    
    My fish have been doing that too.
    
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    November 23, 2017 2:57pm
- Gruffydd
  
  The black helicopter is in for a service.
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:46am
- Kabull
  
  Probably updating the Hutt Council’s aerial mapping database – I noted that it was flying E-W tracks across the valley. Its a glorious day for it.
  
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  November 23, 2017 12:55pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yep I thought that might be the answer.
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:09pm
Manolo

Good grief! Some bad memories never go away:
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/11/sir-michael-cullen-to-chair-government-s-tax-working-group.html

The government has announced Sir Michael Cullen will chair its Tax Working Group.

Sir Michael Cullen served as Minister of Finance from 1999 to 2008 in Helen Clark’s Labour government.

The group’s final recommendations are expected to be presented to Ministers in February 2019, but any “significant changes” would not be introduced until the 2021 tax year.
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November 23, 2017 11:43am
- Longknives
  
  Yikes- Wonder how much we are paying him to quickly decide we all need to pay more??
  
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  November 23, 2017 11:48am
  - Manolo
    
    And to think Labour lite gave this parasite a knighthood! Thank you, Mr Key.
    
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    November 23, 2017 12:02pm
    - sooty
      
      Labour members must be spitting at sullen for getting a knighthood. Imagine the look of pure joy when sullen is in the committe meetings and they have to open meetings and also address him. The best is that they will realise that they will never get reckonition. HA, HAAAA, HAAAA.
      
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      November 23, 2017 12:13pm
  - softail 1450
    
    the nats can’t say anything because they hired the bludging bastard to do work for them ,we are truly fucked in this country when the pool of qualified (favoured) people is so small and always politically chosen.
    
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    November 23, 2017 12:56pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Quickly! No, no, no, that decision will definitely take a long thoughtful period to consider every aspect.
    
    You don’t make money making quick decisions LK.?
    
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    November 23, 2017 2:02pm
- kowtow
  
  Generational change ? Nope but we’re getting more fossil fools.
  
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  November 23, 2017 12:04pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Given Cullen’s appointment there’s no need to carry on. We now know what recommendations Cindy expects. Tax, and lots of it.
  
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  November 23, 2017 12:52pm
- KevOB
  
  Is that the fellow who bought a trainset?
  
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  November 23, 2017 2:59pm
JasonJohns

PURITY IS VITAL

A prominent right-wing preacher who appeared alongside Senate candidate Roy Moore at a campaign rally just days ago said that Moore dated teen girls because of their “purity” and because when he got back from Vietnam there weren’t any women his age left to date.
Pastor Flip Benham told a local Alabama radio show on Monday that there was nothing wrong with Moore dating teenage girls.

“Judge Roy Moore graduated from West Point and then went on into the service, served in Vietnam and then came back and was in law school. All of the ladies, or many of the ladies that he possibly could have married were not available then, they were already married, maybe, somewhere. So he looked in a different direction and always with the [permission of the] parents of younger ladies. By the way, the lady he’s married to now, Ms. Kayla, was a younger woman,” Benham said on WAPI 99.5 FM Monday evening. “He did that because there is something about a purity of a young woman, there is something that is good, that’s true, that’s straight and he looked for that.”
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November 23, 2017 11:55am
- GoVege
  
  Yeah…and they’re less likely to have VD too! 🙂
  
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  November 23, 2017 7:12pm
Swifty

Has DPF scubbed part of this GD today?
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November 23, 2017 12:03pm
Stars And Stripes

Tony Veitch quits new sports show with Sky TV
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=
“Veitch’s inclusion in the show was criticised by anti-domestic violence campaigners White Ribbon New Zealand.
“White Ribbon wants to see men that have used violence, move to being non-violent, and those who sit on the sidelines and do nothing about this violence take an active role in ending violence.
But what message does this appointment send?”

Well the message it sends to me is that he has been punished for his crime and at some stage deserves to be able to move on with his life and career without constant haranguing by White Ribbon and other feminist/lesbian groups who seem to think that he represents the devil incarnate.
Bunch of barrow pushers should piss off and get some proper work.
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November 23, 2017 12:19pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Domestic violence is never OK. But Veitch has been prosecuted and dealt with by the courts for an incident that occurred 11 years ago.
  
  I don’t have a lot of time for the bloke, but how long should the outrage last, and how long until he is allowed to get on and do his job? Let those who are free from sin throw the first stones.
  
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  November 23, 2017 12:43pm
  - GoVege
    
    “Dealt with by the courts”?
    I’m sure he did NO jail time whatever for breaking a woman’s back and putting her in a wheelchair.
    Worst of all, he has never taken responsibility for his appalling behaviour.
    I totally agree with forgiveness and not judging, but first these brutes need to apologize.
    
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    November 23, 2017 12:52pm
    - softail 1450
      
      bullshit vege ,he did apologies ,stop telling porkies ,man hater.
      
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      November 23, 2017 1:10pm
      - GoVege
        
        Bullsh*t Softass.
        He keeps trying to weasel out of it I keep hearing.
        And I LOVE men…just ask Mr Govege… 🙂
        
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        November 23, 2017 1:36pm
    - GoVege
      
      In the same vein…got an email asking me to sign a petition to dump Johnny Depp from some movie because of his spousal abuse.
      There’s a lot of alleged wife abusers out there who maybe should be dumped too.
      Sean Connery (an arrogant pri*k IMO), Paul McCartney (who was a devoted hubby to Linda), Dennis Waterman (who was man enough to admit beating Rula), and many more no doubt.
      But at least not a broken back between them. 🙂
      Think I’ll pass…
      
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      November 23, 2017 1:33pm
    - Lance
      
      Oh cut the crap
      Veitch’s behaviour was bad, not saying otherwise.
      But FFS get a grip.
      There is a small army of total fucking arseholes with dozen’s of heinous violent crimes of their name, entire gangs of feral neanderthals perpetually engaged in violent antisocial behaviour and ruin people’s lives on a large scale.
      
      And that silly bint on Stuff and others seem to think the only person worth zeroing in on is Veitch.
      Pick a position, either give Veitch a chance OR outrage at the gangs and people with a criminal past, give them no quarter, make sure their lives are a perpetual misery and constantly out them.
      To be selective is to be a steaming great hypocrite
      
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      November 23, 2017 3:35pm
      - GoVege
        
        Lance, we are talking about WHITE guys!!!!! 🙂
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:15pm
  - Paulus
    
    And I believe we have the woman who Veitch lived with and was prosecuted for in Mt Maunganui leading a PR crusade to spend spend spend, paid for by ratepayers I believe.
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:27pm
    - GoVege
      
      That b*tch!
      She should hide out for the rest of her life for spilling the beans on poor Saint Tony.
      
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      November 23, 2017 1:38pm
      - Lance
        
        Ranting much
        
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        November 23, 2017 3:27pm
    - Viking2
      
      that is so.
      
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      November 23, 2017 8:47pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    but how long should the outrage last, and how long until he is allowed to get on and do his job?
    
    He broke a women’s back and put her in a wheelchair, and basically got a slap on the wrist for it. Fuck his career.
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:43pm
    - Lance
      
      Do tell me treadingthemill
      Now try to tell the truth now…..
      
      Do you think ALL violent offenders, including violent thugs with multiple violent offences to their name be never ever and under any circumstances be allowed a job after they stop offending, ever again? Neither never ever publicly speaking etc?
      Or does your outrage only include Veitch?
      
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      November 23, 2017 3:48pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        I didn’t say he couldn’t have a job.
        
        Toilet cleaning. Rubbish disposal. Wiping invalid sick peoples bums. There’s all sorts of things he could do. But going back to being on the telly as though nothing happened? No.
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:23pm
      - GoVege
        
        Love your suggested career options there TTM! 🙂
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:33pm
      - GoVege
        
        But you left out one I heard on the wireless a few years ago: manually pleasuring zoo animals for the purposes of artificial insemination.
        Perhaps they could start him with the gorilla…then he might find out how it feels when you don’t please your man and he gets very VERY cross with you…
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:42pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    KS, did you hear the professional women from OZ interviewed by Larry Williams yesterday arguing that a woman who killed her partner should not get deported to NZ after 11 years in jail as he abused her? Dead men of course cannot defend themselves as we know about Doug Gardner who Gaye Oakes murdered.
    
    Larry did his homework unlike the dyke on the other station that accepted everything this apologist for murder had to say.
    
    They do not just talk about physical violence and sexual violence but even financial violence whatever that is.
    
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    November 23, 2017 2:18pm
    - GoVege
      
      Ah…financial violence.
      Reminds me of the time dad was visiting mum when we were staying with the Sallies while they divorced.
      He was whinging about how he didn’t have enough money, (despite not paying the mortgage for 6 months and only having himself to feed.)
      Mum suddenly had a bright idea:
      “Why don’t you sell the jag?”
      Apparently he was so outraged at the suggestion, mum said he slapped her face!
      
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      November 23, 2017 5:50pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        As a Jag, it was probably worth fuck-all so what’s the point?
        
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        November 23, 2017 8:47pm
      - GoVege
        
        You’re just jell, Cap’n, it was 18 months old.
        But I hated riding in it coz poor kids would give us a hard time…
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:34pm
    - realityczech
      
      “They do not just talk about physical violence and sexual violence but even financial violence whatever that is”
      
      And, spiritual violence, cultural violence, emotional violence …. you name it.
      
      Go check out the site of the Women’s Refuge hate group.
      
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      November 23, 2017 8:52pm
      - GoVege
        
        Well that’s just being silly.
        It’s about bullying and controlling another person, and the #1 issue is fear.
        Nobody should even try to live with someone they are afraid of.
        Fortunately women can now be supported to live apart from their men until they decide to grow up.
        I’ve yet to come across an organization that actually wants to help families stay together.
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:49pm
      - realityczech
        
        Vege, You need therapy to get over your resentment of men and learn your place in the world.
        
        Vegetarianism is a mental health issue for a start.
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:54pm
      - GoVege
        
        That’s bull and you know it RC.
        Vegetarianism is the natural diet of we primates.
        And I do NOT resent men.
        Just some of their behaviour.
        If you want me to start singing praise of men I will do so, but it’s gonna take a while…
        
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        November 23, 2017 10:08pm
Fletch

Paul Joseph Watson also covers creepy Uncle Joe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ-YjGmpO4Q

It’s kind of cringey to watch… ugh.
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November 23, 2017 12:25pm
- Rich Prick
  
  That really is creepy. Hollywood will endorse him if he runs though.
  
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  November 23, 2017 1:21pm
Captain Mainwaring

This is interesting.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/central-leader/99147614/single-auckland-mum-struggling-after-crashing-uninsured-car-bought-on-hire-purchase

She’s got a car on hire purchase and it’s not insured. My understanding is that the finance company would want to see proof of insurance before they advance the money.
Their own bloody fault if they’re out of pocket.
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November 23, 2017 12:31pm
- GoVege
  
  Thank heavens that pathetic waste of taxpayers’ money of a trial of two policemen is over.
  I suppose the poor cops will lose their jobs.
  Meanwhile hundreds of kids are being pimped by gangs in Auckland ….but that’s not newsworthy.
  
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  November 23, 2017 12:57pm
  - Longknives
    
    It’s okay for Cops to make up their own rules then Go Vege? (Arrest, Deportation etc without any Court Orders or legislation to back it up?)
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:46pm
    - GoVege
      
      The Police do a very difficult, thankless job.
      If they sometimes make a mistake in the process, and nobody is harmed, they should not be automatically dragged to court and charged with ludicrous charges like “kidnapping”.
      
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      November 23, 2017 5:31pm
      - Longknives
        
        This guy was an Inspector GoVege! And he threw a kid in the cells clearly knowing he had no Lawful Authority to do so (It wasn’t a ‘mistake’)….
        
        Every Cop in NZ gets it drummed into them from training that you cant get away with Cowboy crap like that these days- He deserves to lose his job!
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:51pm
      - GoVege
        
        Big deal, LK.
        Training doesn’t cover every possible situation.
        These fellas were doing their best to help a family.
        Nobody was hurt except the policemen and the poor old tax-payer footing the bill for an unnecessary PC trial.
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:53pm
- Digmen1
  
  Yes she was a bit silly.
  She will have no car and still owe the money!
  Finance 101
  
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  November 23, 2017 1:06pm
  - Sideoiler
    
    Yes she was a bit silly.
    She will have no car and still owe the money!
    Finance 101
    
    Don’t you find it odd that she was on a benefit and able to get finance?
    
    The Blockhouse Bay mum was now looking for work to help pay for the written off car, she said.
    
    So now she wants to get a job, why did she not want one before she purchased the car.
    Perhaps if she had one prior to buying the vehicle she may have been able to afford insurance.
    Another bludger that thinks a vagina is an income generating qualification.
    
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    November 23, 2017 2:03pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Especially paying 6k.
      
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      November 23, 2017 3:49pm
Keeping Stock

Nice to see that DPF has completely deleted Morrissey’s disgraceful “Deadbeat Dads” smear post.
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November 23, 2017 12:40pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I second that. Pity he didn’t give the morris dancer a time out as well.
  
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  November 23, 2017 1:14pm
- Swifty
  
  Thanks for confirming KS.
  
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  November 23, 2017 1:16pm
Digmen1

Great news.
The PNG army is moving the Manus Island Illegal Immigrant Men (sic) out of the camp.
As we speak.
Funny that the conditions there were so bad that they stayed an extra 10 days!
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November 23, 2017 1:04pm
- Inandout
  
  Our Cindy must take some action.
  
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  November 23, 2017 1:09pm
  - softail 1450
    
    Inandout ,she already has taken action ,she insulted trump ,she’ll be a hero to the fools that voted for her.
    
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    November 23, 2017 1:21pm
MrTips

Speaking of Cindy, Roy Morgan reckons the CoL is awesomely popular:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99169262/the-labournz-firstgreens-grouping-has-hit-545-per-cent-support–poll

It is what it is, but IMO Roy Morgan gave up being impartial and reliable years ago.
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November 23, 2017 1:27pm
Jack5

The rape accusations wave continues to spread…

Protestant ministers are now in women’s rights, according to an Australian Broadcasting Corporation report.:

Every night of her 20-year marriage, Jane’s husband would wake her up several times for sex. If she objected, he would wait until she fell asleep again.

“He was very sexually abusive from the start,” she said.

“He would watch pornography, drink heavily, and come to bed. I would wake up with him touching me, inside me and I’d say to him, ‘Stop I’m pregnant’ or ‘I’m really tired’ and he would just wait until I fell back to sleep and continue. He knew how much it upset me.

“If I said ‘no’ during sex or ‘no I don’t want to do that’, he would get angry and sulk.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-23/clergy-wives-speak-out-domestic-violence/9168096
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November 23, 2017 1:29pm
- Jack5
  
  Hell! You don’t suppose the reverend stayed up late boozing and posting on Kiwiblog?
  
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  November 23, 2017 1:37pm
- Inandout
  
  That artist they hire seems straight out of a protestor’s publication, such is the emotional fluff. I fully realise that only Christian chiefs carry on treating women like sex machines.
  
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  November 23, 2017 2:21pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Do men marry for ‘companionship’?
  
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  November 23, 2017 3:52pm
  - starboard
    
    Yep…but its the nagging thats painful…?
    
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    November 23, 2017 5:53pm
- GoVege
  
  It’s ALL true.
  Studies have shown that about 50% of church ministers are abusers.
  They are drawn to the profession while fighting their evil impulses.
  The BTK serial killer Dennis Radar was president of his Lutheran Church and even stored the bodies of his victims there.
  
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  November 23, 2017 7:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

This would upset my digestion, no end.

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-42090467/nudist-restaurant-opens-in-paris
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November 23, 2017 2:31pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Me too Maggy, also good to hear the chair covers are changed between sittings.
  Phew, thank goodness for that. ?
  
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  November 23, 2017 4:27pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    There seem to be lots of empty tables for 2.
    
    Would you risk ordering hot soup for starters?
    
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    November 23, 2017 5:19pm
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
NZ WHISTLE-BLOWER UPDATE!
(Thursday 23 November 2017)

DIRECT ACTION WORKS!

‘Pocket’ occupation on Old Mill Rd traffic island, Westmere, Auckland stops the Auckland Transport juggernaut in its tracks…

‪https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/99019915/Auckland-Transport-faces-rising-backlash-as-shop-owners-across-super-city-say-it-is-destroying-their-businesses‬

‪”Auckland Transport faces rising backlash as shop owners across super city say it is destroying their businesses | Stuff.co.nz”‬

Who will benefit if small local businesses wither and die?

The multi-national malls?

Overseas investor$ and property developer$?

Follow the dollar ….

#ThinkForYourself
‪#StopKillingLocalBusinesses‬
‪#NoParkingNoStoppingNoShopping‬
‪#CyclewaysSavingThePlanetByDestroyingLocalCommunities‬
#WellDoneLisaPrager
#BringingLocalBackIntoAucklandLocalGovernment
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November 23, 2017 2:31pm
- Rich Prick
  
  This must be serious stuff, there are hashtags involved.
  
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  November 23, 2017 2:43pm
  - RalphT
    
    RP, I hope that doesn’t mean you think we should read it?
    
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    November 23, 2017 2:53pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      Oh Lord no! I’m dead against cruel and unusual punishment.
      
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      November 23, 2017 2:57pm
      - RalphT
        
        I only asked as I have detected a masochistic streak among some KBers; a willingness to engage in debate with Hugh and Penny, thus prolonging the torture.
        
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        November 23, 2017 3:29pm
      - holysheet
        
        One mans torture can be another mans pleasure.
        
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        November 23, 2017 3:33pm
      - sooty
        
        I wish she would go and give Hugh some pleasure.
        
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        November 23, 2017 5:47pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
  Steve N/S
  Attendee Glenfield Trolley Derby 1986
  Fuck I got trolleyed
  
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  November 23, 2017 5:50pm
- thedavincimode
  
  The mad waterwoman needs to be encouraged on this crusade for two reasons. First, and most importantly, it will really piss the goof off, and second, she has a point.
  
  I gave ya an upper Pen!
  
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  November 23, 2017 6:47pm
Manolo

Doomsday?
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/22/experts-are-calling-for-the-icarus-stock-rally-to-finally-lose-altitude.html

The 2017 global stock market rally is showing signs of fatigue and a 10% correction in U.S. equities looks imminent, experts are predicting.
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November 23, 2017 3:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

So the Rockhouse woman is on ZB parroting what was exactly National’s position on the Pike River re-entry, which has now been adopted by Labour.
So what makes it acceptable now that it’s not National pushing the barrow?
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November 23, 2017 4:20pm
- waikatogirl
  
  That it’s now Liarbors barrow and feelz are being expressed by Cindy and Angry.
  
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  November 23, 2017 4:29pm
- doggone7
  
  The same logic which sees Labour following the National Party approach to Manus Island being so disgusting, catastrophic and plain bad?
  
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  November 23, 2017 6:02pm
- thedavincimode
  
  So what makes it acceptable now that it’s not National pushing the barrow?
  
  Duh! It’s not National pushing the barrow.
  
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  November 23, 2017 6:48pm
realityczech

Ratko Mladić convicted of war crimes and genocide at UN tribunal

http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.co.nz/2011/03/bosnian-genocide-pictures-are-worth.html

Big news today on KB is someone does not adore zionist war crimes enough and should be persecuted more as a result.
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November 23, 2017 5:41pm
SPC

Support for Labour (near equal to National) and the Green Party (10%) is up, support for NZF down (5%).

On these numbers Labour could govern with either Greens or NZF.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11947298

The Roy Morgan poll was conducted from October 30 to November 12, and has National on 40.5 per cent (compared to its election result of 44.4 per cent).

Labour is on 39.5 per cent (compared to 36.9 per cent in the election), with the Greens on 10 per cent (compared to 6.3 per cent).Act is on 0.5 per cent, The Opportunities Party (TOP) on 2 per cent, and Maori Party on 1.5 per cent.
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November 23, 2017 6:23pm
- rangitoto
  
  So the families must now pay back the illegal insurance payout?
  
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  November 23, 2017 6:33pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Sorry – replied to wrong post.
    
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    November 23, 2017 6:39pm
- Digmen1
  
  So National is just ahead of Labour! 40.5% versus 39.5%
  
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  November 24, 2017 7:40am
Gravelroad

Hooray, the Ashes cricket has started up on TV.
First thing heard on the wicket keeper’s microphone was “noice Garry”. Took me right back to last season.
Summer must be here.
Bye Jacinda and Winston.
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November 23, 2017 6:28pm
starboard

Like I said before..Ray Morgan polls are about as useful as one ply bum paper after a dodgy vindaloo.
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November 23, 2017 6:32pm
Morrissey

No institution is safe from the corrupting power of occupation
by NOAM SHIZAF, Nov. 20, 2017

The persecution of Breaking the Silence’s spokesperson is further proof that the state’s investigative bodies are not only deeply politicized, they are simply uninterested in doing their job.

Between the years 2013 and 2016, Israeli anti-occupation group Yesh Din tracked the police’s response to 289 cases of “ideological crimes” against Palestinians in the West Bank. In each of those cases, the Palestinians filed a complaint with the police; some of them included photographic material, video, and testimonies provided by Israeli civilians or soldiers. And yet, only 20 cases led to indictments. In no less than 183 of them, the police were unable to locate the criminals or find evidence; more often than not, they never truly carried out a real investigation. Of the 45 cases that were opened between 2012-2014 following violence by Israelis from the radical settlement of Yitzhar against Palestinians and their property (a phenomenon known as “price tag attacks”), only one led to an indictment.

Since the beginning of the Second Intifada, B’Tselem, another Israeli anti-occupation organization, demanded the State Attorney’s Office investigate the 739 cases in which Palestinians were killed, beaten, or wounded by soldiers, or their property damaged (as opposed to Yesh Din’s cases, which deal violence by Israeli civilians against Palestinians). In a quarter of these incidents, not a single investigation was undertaken. In half of them, the cases were closed and only 25 cases ended in indictments. When B’Tselem asked for updates on 44 cases, the state attorney was unable to even locate the files.

Three years have passed since “Black Friday,” in which the Israeli army used the Hannibal Procedure, killing (some say purposefully) hundreds of Palestinians in the city of Rafah during Operation Protective Edge. The state attorney is still debating whether or not to investigate the incident, despite the recommendations by an Israeli committee, which established that these kinds of decisions must be made within 14 months, at most. …..

Read more….
https://972mag.com/no-institution-is-safe-from-the-corrupting-power-of-occupation/130841/
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November 23, 2017 6:40pm
- starboard
  
  Piss off morrissey ya fuckin retard
  
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  November 23, 2017 6:57pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I second that.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:50pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Some interesting parallels with liebour there Morrie. Have you got any other global benchmarks for the scale of liebour’s lies, graft, corruption and dishonesty. South America? Africa? What about hypocrisy? Anything on slave camps?
  
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  November 23, 2017 7:12pm
  - nasska
    
    Surely you don’t think that Bugs Bunny’s sister would tell porkies Davinci.
    
    Just a couple of very short months ago she confirmed that “I believe that it is possible to exist in politics without lying and by telling the truth”.
    
    I just can’t believe that the People’s Princess could be so venal. My faith in socialism is shattered. ?
    
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    November 23, 2017 7:34pm
- realityczech
  
  Israel is in breach of a multitude of international laws and is guilty of on going war crimes and human rights abuses.
  
  But don’t say so or you may be “detained”
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:28pm
KevOB

“I believe that it is possible to exist in politics without lying and by telling the truth”.

Belief is separate from action.
Possibilities are endless.
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November 23, 2017 7:43pm
nasska

And the award for the person who took the longest to pick up on a hint goes to……

Robert Mugabe.
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November 23, 2017 7:58pm
- GoVege
  
  I was reading a book about Africa a while back and it said they held a lottery in Zimbabwe and the winner was……you guessed it. 🙂
  
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  November 23, 2017 9:58pm
realityczech

A very interesting and informed article about the reality of electric cars. We need to stop the madness now before we squander any more money on this absurd indulgence.

The Inconvenient Truth About Electric Vehicles

An electric automobile will convert 5-10 percent of the energy in natural gas into motion. A normal vehicle will convert 20-30 percent of the energy in gasoline into motion. That’s 3 or 4 times more energy recovered with an internal combustion vehicle than an electric vehicle.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/The-Inconvenient-Truth-About-Electric-Vehicles.html
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November 23, 2017 8:21pm
- Gruffydd
  
  An electric automobile will convert 5-10 percent of the natural gas into motion. A normal vehicle will convert 20>30 percent of the energy in gasoline into motion
  
  Yip
  Pipe gas to a power station covert it to electricity then use that electricity to drive a car.
  
  Ship oil to Refinery refine to gasoline truck it to a fuel station then put it into a car to power your wheels.
  
  Your comparison ignores most of the energy cost of petrol cars instead magically assumes petrol just appears in the tank.
  AKA
  How to confuse gullible fuckwits who are too stupid to realize they are being fed rubbish.
  https://greentransportation.info/energy-transportation/gasoline-costs-6kwh.html
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:59pm
  - realityczech
    
    Griffy, you forgot I posted a link so others can see you are full of shit.
    
    The article demolishes the claims you are making. It is basic physics fool. Stop DENYING science.
    
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    November 23, 2017 9:03pm
    - Gruffydd
      
      Parrot chess.
      The deception is quite easy to spot once you know how it works.
      The electric car includes the entire process from well to wheels.
      The petrol one ignores the energy used in refining and getting the fuel to your car and magically assumes the petrol is already in your tank.
      
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      November 23, 2017 9:22pm
      - realityczech
        
        If that were true:
        
        1. Electric cars would be outselling real cars.
        2. They would not require tax payer subsidies to produce.
        3. There would not be punitive taxes on proper cars and energy.
        4. They would not lose money on toy cars even with all the handouts and market distortions.
        
        Anyway not a lot turns on this. Either way we need more coal fired power plants to either charge toy car batteries or to produce energy for productive pursuits.
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:30pm
      - Jack5
        
        Meanwhile Musk’s big battery in Australia is about to enter final testing.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/nov/23/elon-musks-tesla-battery-in-south-australia-poised-for-final-testing
        
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        November 23, 2017 10:04pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        10 Battery Gigafactories Are Now in the Works. And Elon Musk May …
        https://www.greentechmedia.com/…/10-battery-gigafactories-are-now-in-progress-and…
        Jun 29, 2017 – The backers have said the plant could create around 7,000 jobs. …. “Building gigafactories is a logical next step in creating a battery industry …
        
        http://www.nature.com/articles/nclimate2564
        by B Nykvist – ‎2015 – ‎Cited by 543 – ‎Related articles
        We show that industry-wide cost estimates declined by approximately 14% annually between 2007 and 2014, from above US$1,000 per kWh to around US$410 per kWh, and that the cost of battery packs used by market-leading BEV manufacturers are even lower, at US$300 per kWh,
        
        Study: Electric Car Battery Costs Declined 35 Percent From 2014 To 2015 …
        https://insideevs.com/study-electric-car-battery-costs-declined-35-percent-2014-2015/
        The cost of electrified vehicles is highly contingent upon lithium-ion battery prices. According to a recent study, costs are declining substantially and rapidly, .
        
        The cost goes down as they develop manufacturing scale and technology.
        Same as renewable energy or LCD TV’s.
        At present electric cars cost more to buy than ICE cars.
        In ten years they will be cheaper.
        They are already cheaper to run and more reliable.
        
        Nissan Leaf tops our car reliability survey – Consumer NZ
        https://consumer.org.nz/articles/nissan-leaf-tops-our-car-reliability-survey
        Nov 10, 2017 – The all-electric Nissan Leaf was the most reliable model in our latest car reliability survey.
        
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        November 23, 2017 10:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        Musk comes out with endless bullshit ideas that have no chance of working when they come into contact with reality.
        
        Here a real scientist reviews his scams:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4KR4-TN-Yo
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktO6IvLT2eg
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwLnyzyybYs
        
        This just a taste.
        
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        November 23, 2017 10:09pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        griff… the Hugh of climate change 🙂
        
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        November 23, 2017 10:11pm
      - realityczech
        
        “The cost goes down as they develop manufacturing scale and technology.”
        
        Great so we can stop the billions of dollars in tax payer subsidies then Gwiffy ?
        
        What is Musk doing with all those billions in subsidies if business is going so well ?
        
        Whoops !!! LOL 🙂
        
        Why Tesla’s Model 3 production problems are troubling
        
        – Sceptics expected Tesla to struggle with mass-market manufacturing of its Model 3.
        ➡ didn’t expect the company to have major problems with the vehicle’s batteries.
        -Tesla battery business is one of its strengths.
        
        Read more at https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-production-battery-problems-troubling-2017-11#5sTbWpGyS4Wo4zwA.99
        
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        November 23, 2017 10:20pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      RC
      The mistake you are making is that your link has numbers in it.
      Gwiffy isn’t good with numbers
      Or words
      Or much else
      
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      November 23, 2017 9:32pm
      - realityczech
        
        AoR, I feel our mental health system has let Griffy down. He should be given proper care, including secure accommodation and numerous therapeutic electric shocks everyday. (Generated by a giant coal powered plant)
        
        He is clearly unwell.
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yes
        Shame on Labour for not caring enough for the more confused Citizens of this country.
        Shame.
        Alas I’m not sure that even the most vigorous Electric Prod treatment would have an effect though.
        Maybe six months digging Coal (the energy for life) might have an effect. Think of the Electric Cars he could power.
        Elon would be pleased.
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:51pm
      - realityczech
        
        Maybe Labour can make it up to him by sending him down Pike River mine for a look around ?
        
        He can grab a few sacks of coal while he is down there to heat the coal range so the families can a have a feed and a cuppa while they wait.
        
        We can fit him with a shock collar so he can still get his therapy while he works 🙂
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Well, I do have doubts about his ability to multi task. He’s a simple boy really.
        I mean, he can only count to ten because he has ten fingers! Well, .5 more if he includes his dick.
        But I think the idea of remote shocks while we grill steaks on a coal range has merit.
        Bzzzt
        
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        November 23, 2017 10:08pm
      - realityczech
        
        “But I think the idea of remote shocks while we grill steaks on a coal range has merit.”
        
        We don’t want him harmed by exploding lithium batteries. Those things are so dangerous !
        
        Best we fit him out with a portable diesel generator he can cart around with him while he toils down the pit. That way we can have reliable and safe electricity for his therapies.
        
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        November 23, 2017 10:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Now you’re just being silly
        That’s far too much for the poor confused waif.
        Those Generators have words on them.
        Let’s keep it simple.
        A 10 battery Gigafactory in his mouth- its big enough, that should suffice.
        Connect those to the prods and I tell you he will be shovelling Coal like crazy! (which is apropos)
        Winning!
        
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        November 23, 2017 10:23pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        The thread Started with
        
        realityczech
        Musk’s genius is primarily in the subsidy-seeking realm. By 2015, U.S. governments alone had given his companies US$5 billion through direct grants, tax breaks, cut-rate loans, tax credits and rebates
        
        All on red says
        
        Roughly half of the $5 billion went to Tesla. The other half to Solar City.
        It’s incentives, tax breaks etc etc.
        
        You lying POS I never said RECEIVED at all.
        Look at thread and cut and paste where I did.
        Go on fuckwit. Do it.
        
        All on red says
        
        Unbelievable
        You quote me saying
        ‘Tax breaks, incentives’
        Which is what they are getting. I have never said straight away, And so what. They still get it.
        
        followed by
        
        Incentives and Tax breaks. I never said actual cash.
        
        Along with
        
        Still lying.
        Show us where I said PAID.
        You’re a liar.
        
        ROFLMAO
        Miss the day they explained tense All on red?
        
        Or did your tongue get stuck on the van window that day?
        If the money tax incentive or whatever went to Tesla they have it already.
        
        You do know you jumped into a thread and continued on with keas first claim.
        
        The entire thread is around the “5billion in subsides” musk has received” being bullshite spin.
        
        That’s why you and your little nutbar friends are fruit loops who unquestionably accept utter tripe.
        
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        November 23, 2017 11:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hahahahaha you’re so thick.
        Tell us more about that $5 Billion loan
        Show us your math skill again
        Show us paid and received again
        Play your pathetic Pigeon Chess BS again.
        Wriggle wriggle wriggle
        Poor triggered DKHead
        ?
        
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        November 23, 2017 11:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Heh
        I showed YOU the benefits were around $2.3 bio
        Even gave you a link.
        You’re the ignorant one claiming $5 billion
        In loans!
        Paid back!
        Just admit it. Once again you made a fool of yourself
        DK big time
        
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        November 23, 2017 11:32pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        What’s really funny is the image of poor wee Gwiffy banging and smashing his stubby little fingers on his keyboard doing his cut and paste as he desperately tries to salvage the sequence of fuck ups he’s made and how he looks really really stupid.
        Here’s news for you
        TOO LATE!
        lol
        
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        November 23, 2017 11:44pm
      - Gruffydd
        
        More projection from the nutbar.
        
        Who is the Poor triggered DKHead?
        
        I know.
        
        The one gibbering away all by himself.
        
        ROFLMAO
        
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        November 23, 2017 11:56pm
      - softail 1450
        
        jeeeez ,the liquor was flowing freely last night.
        
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        November 24, 2017 6:00am
Viking2

Last month he got married in Vienna, Austria, to his longtime boyfriend.

The billionaire venture capitalist tied the knot with Matt Danzeisen, Axios reported.

Who you ask?
Well someone who got a fast track passport.

Thiel has a reported net worth of US$3.2 billion, including a stake in data analytics company Palantir Technologies Inc.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11946966
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November 23, 2017 8:34pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh fuck, you’ve spoilt my evening. Rescind the homo prick’s residency and confiscate his property.
  
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  November 23, 2017 8:53pm
  - nasska
    
    So long as there’s a chance that he may pay taxes here & doesn’t yell Allah Akbar while detonating himself I could care less who he’s hanging out of.
    
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    November 23, 2017 8:59pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      I agree, but this whole thing of fast tracking residency or citizenship is pretty iffy.
      
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      November 23, 2017 9:03pm
      - nasska
        
        Iffy or not it will have a happier outcome than accepting UN selected refugees.
        
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        November 23, 2017 9:04pm
    - realityczech
      
      nasska, I don’t feel we are fulfilling international obligations to meet our quota of Gay Muslims.
      
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      November 23, 2017 9:11pm
gorse

Cullen? Tax the rich pricks??? Talk about stacking it. We all know how this is going to end.
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November 23, 2017 10:03pm
Jack5

Tired of management theorists’ bullshit?

The Guardian long read feature today explains how some of the bullshit came about – from psychic freaks.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/nov/23/from-inboxing-to-thought-showers-how-business-bullshit-took-over
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November 23, 2017 10:32pm
- realityczech
  
  Great article. The shocking thing is this crap is also sold to the public service at huge expense to the tax payer. Ask anyone working in govt.
  
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  November 23, 2017 10:42pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Management Consultants (behind Central Bankers) are the biggest “smoke and mirror” bullshit artists in the world of big business.
    
    The rise of the Corporation and death of Ma & Pa shops has been catastrophic to the West. It’s only in the world of “big global business” that these bullshit artists have any demand as Executives hide behind these Consultants recommendations which are always some variation of “offshore jobs”, “use excess cashflow to buyback stock” and to hell with everything else.
    
    The god of mammon must always be sated above all else❗
    
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    November 23, 2017 10:57pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Some folks in the Public Service fight it
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/99195137/gamechanging-learnings-how-new-zealand-is-all-across-plain-english
    
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    November 23, 2017 11:01pm
Jack5

It’s hard to believe this is true.

? A snowflake Mum complains about the Prince kissing Sleeping Beauty without getting Sleeping Beauty’s permission.

It’s an inappropriate sexual message, she says.

In the fairy tale, didn’t Sleeping Beauty need the Prince’s kiss to waken her? Maybe they can rewrite it so he brings her round with a cup of tea.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5110415/Mother-demands-son-s-school-ban-Sleeping-Beauty.html
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