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tom hunter

So let’s see if I can beat that tiresome old fuck, Dennis Horne, to the punch and get a story “above the fold” as they say.

Here’s the bottom line: We have congressional testimony, under oath, that Clinton hired the same firm to smear Trump that Putin reportedly used to smear Magnitsky. Moreover, we also know that the Fusion GPS dossier relied on senior Russian government officials for much of the dirt it compiled, including “a senior Russian Foreign Ministry figure” and a “former top level intelligence officer still active in the Kremlin.” Together, those are bombshell revelations.

Yet today, there is barely a peep in the mainstream media about the Clinton-Fusion-Putin connection. Imagine the outrage that would have ensued if we had learned that Trump had hired an opposition research firm with Putin-linked clients to dig up dirt on Clinton and that senior Russian government officials had been the sources of the unsubstantiated allegations that were leaked to the media. The left would be screaming, “Smoking gun!”

None of this absolves the Trump campaign of collusion charges. But there is now more public evidence about Clinton’s collusion with Russia than there is about any such collusion by Trump.

Oh yay! God, is this what it’s been like for Horne/William of Ockham? Waiting around for GD to appear every and constantly hitting the browser reload so that he can be absolutely sure of getting his AGW-we’re-all-doomed-and-you’re-morons message to the masses?

Sad.
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November 1, 2017 8:00am
- Biscuit
  
  Tom, yer EVIL.
  
  But I like your style…
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:20am
- Andrei
  
  Well Tom Hunter our State owned propaganda outlet TV ONE is running a special series on the One News next week on how we are doomed by “Climate Change”
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:21am
  - KevOB
    
    Labour PR firm are ultra green and have been running background all year. They set up the polluted river theme.
    
    Are they still continuing as government mis-information agents?
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:08am
- SPC
  
  Are you asking God a question on Kiwiblog?
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:29am
- calendar girl
  
  Citation / link for that long quotation, Tom?
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:30am
  - tom hunter
    
    I usually provide such CG, but thought I’d wait for one of our terminal Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers to DuckDuckGo it.
    
    They’ll be surprised at the source. I certainly was.
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:37am
- Gruffydd
  
  Look small furry animal.
  Wasn’t that dossier originally commissioned by a republican candidate?
  
  Smeared
  looking into background and digging dirt is a normal part of politics .
  After all it is part of this blogs purpose.
  
  An ex MI16 spy .
  gee he knows Russians.
  
  We still await the outcome .
  When it gets into trumps business dealings ….
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:46am
  - Andrei
    
    The funny thing is Gruffydd the only evidence of foreign interference in the American election is a British spook peddling a salacious document allegedly sourced from Russia.
    
    And this spook and his document were funded by the Clinton campaign and that to has been shown
    
    To be sure the spook before being employed by the Clinton campaign had been employed by anti Trump forces with republican leanings but the document itself was entirely funded by the Clintonistas
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:55am
    - Gruffydd
      
      Russia-linked posts ‘reached 126m Facebook users in US’
      Facebook has said as many as 126 million American users may have seen content uploaded by Russia-based operatives over the past two years.
      
      The social networking site said about 80,000 posts were produced before and after the 2016 presidential election.
      
      Most of the posts focused on divisive social and political messages.
      
      Facebook released the figures ahead of a Senate hearing where it, together with Twitter and Google. will detail Russia’s impact on the popular sites.
      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41812369
      
      Here is a bet
      Clovis is next.
      
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      November 1, 2017 9:04am
      - Andrei
        
        What does ” Russia-linked posts” mean Gruffydd?
        
        There is a concerted attempt to make Russia and everything Russian seem sinister which is ridiculous and ultimately dangerous
        
        Probably the most malignant influence on peoples minds is Hollywood if truth be known
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:17am
      - JasonJohns
        
        Trump drops bombshell: Papadopolous was a Democrat/HRC plant
        
        “Few people knew the young, low level volunteer named George, who has already proven to be a liar,” Trump posted on Twitter shortly after 8am local time, adding: “Check the DEMS!”
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:35am
      - EAD_TWO
        
        Your hatred for Russia is pure anti-Slavictism.
        
        People like you criticising Russia are literally Bolsheviks.
        
        It’s the oldest hatred the world has known and purely down to jealousy.
        
        This criticism reminds me of the bad old days of the the 1920s which we must not go back to.
        
        If this type of hate continues, I can see another Russian Holocaust with another 60 million being exterminated.
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:48am
      - realityczech
        
        Griff just discovered the world wide web is world-wide and thinks its a big conspiracy by the evil Russkies to hide the terrible truth about climate doom ⛈
        
        Poor silly Griff 🙂
        
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        November 1, 2017 12:35pm
      - MH
        
        ice picks, anyone ?
        
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        November 1, 2017 5:46pm
    - trout
      
      quote:The Washington Free Beacon, a right-leaning news website, acknowledged on Friday that it was the first to pay a firm that ultimately produced a controversial dossier that’s at the heart of a politically-charged probe investigating President Donald Trump’s ties to Russia.
      During a House Intelligence Committee hearing, legal representatives admitted that the Free Beacon was the first to retain the assistance of Fusion GPS to research the backgrounds of the entire GOP primary field, including then-candidate Trump.
      In a statement, the Free Beacon emphatically denied targeting the real estate developer exclusively, and distanced itself from Christopher Steele, a shadowy British former spy who was later paid by the Democratic National Committee, the campaign of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and the Federal Bureau of Investigations.
      
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      November 1, 2017 10:15am
  - SPC
    
    Who cares what past clients opposition research firms have had?
    
    That is in the territory of impugning someone for using a law firm that worked for past clients (who were found guilty/liable).
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:57am
  - Ross12
    
    Yes it was Griff originally commissioned by people involved with the Washington Free Beacon (funded by billionaire Paul Singer) to do opposition research during the Primaries on a number of candidates, including Trump. There was no research on any about involvement with Russians.
    When Trump won they stopped but the initiative was taken up by the DNC/Clintons and Steele and co were employed.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:04am
Politburo of the Democratic Peoples Republic of Aotearoa

Comrades, it is with great regret that I inform you that I have been demoted to Gruel production and distribution officer, 5th class.
I have not meet my KPI’s for articulating Dear Leaders vision of relentless positivity. Although I am sad to leave, I am sure I will see some of you soon in the food line at ~~the Gulag~~ Dear Leaders pleasure.

Back to work plebs… this is all.
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November 1, 2017 8:00am
waikatogirl

Prince William, the Duke of Cambridge conferred a Knighthood on Billy Connelly overnight. The “Big Yin”, a 75 year old comedian/actor/banjo player said the only regret is the gong did not come with a pair of matching earings. ?

Arise Sir Billy
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November 1, 2017 8:00am
- Inandout
  
  Not a well pup is our Billy.
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:13am
- cmm
  
  Billy has been putting the boot into royalty etc for decades but will happily accept the baubles when it is offered to him.
  
  Just like Sir Michael Cullen.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:04am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Yes Billy is a good old Glaswegian lefty. Clever man despite his political leanings. Or as Billy would say, “windswept and interesting. Never beige”
    
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    November 1, 2017 12:15pm
Captain Mainwaring

Ode to Grant Robertson
With apologies to Kenny Rogers’ ‘The Gambler’

On the cozy front benches of a Government bound for stardom
I sat next to the gambler, we were getting up to speed
We looked at those around us and all we saw were numpties
The terror came upon us, and he began to speak

He said: “Cindy, I’ve spent my life as a loyal Labour servant
Knowing how to dodge the knives and aim them in return
If you want to keep this job you’ll need me right behind you
‘Cause our losers’ coalition has heaps of stuff to learn”

I asked him what I need to do to earn the country’s favours
And right on cue he told me that we have to rob the rich
He wants to bet the future on shifting all the money
From those who make it happen to those lying in the ditch

You’ve got to know when to screw ’em
Know when to shaft ‘em
Know when to ream them out
And know when to squeeze
When it’s not your money
You can use it how you want to
There’ll be time enough to dish it out
Or throw it to the breeze

Every lefty knows that the passage to Nirvana
Is knowin’ who to cast aside and knowin’ who to pay
Rich Pricks need to know that we will come a-knocking
‘Cause their money’s really ours at the end of every day

And when he finished burbling on he sat there looking smarmy
I said: “So Grant, are you the key to all the country’s dreams?”
I wasn’t quite prepared for his unexpected answer
“With Winston’s fingers in the pie it’s not quite what it seems.”

You’ve got to know when to screw ‘em
Know when to shaft ‘em
Know when to ream them out
And know when to squeeze
When it’s not your money
You can use it how you want to
There’ll be time enough to dish it out
Or throw it to the breeze
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November 1, 2017 8:01am
- Johnboy
  
  I take my hat off to you Captain. I know when I’m beaten! 🙂
  
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  November 1, 2017 11:03am
Left Right and Centre

Heard on ZB . . . .
Some people were going out ‘trick or treating’, with the twist of asking for donations toward some type of food provision charity.

ffs
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November 1, 2017 8:03am
- RalphT
  
  That is so out of date; didn’t they know that the new government has solved all the social ills and there is no need for such charities?
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:10am
  - flipper
    
    Xcept that we do not have a new government: we have a regime !
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:04am
- waikatogirl
  
  I heard a kid was handed a tube of toothpaste instead of the usual sweeties.
  
  What a virtuous life some lead!
  
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  November 1, 2017 12:18pm
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Hey, it’s Trick or Treat.
    Sometimes you get the treat, other times you get the trick.
    
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    November 1, 2017 12:57pm
Maxx

Which new policy will be announced today that wasn’t campaigned on? What have we had this week so far? NCEA changes, Hobbit law, 3 strikes.

Were they afraid people wouldn’t vote for them. And you can’t tell me that they’ve only just come up with these.
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November 1, 2017 8:04am
- SPC
  
  They voted against the Hobbit Law in 2010, and said they would repeal it in both the 2011 and 2014 elections (cannot find anything for the 2017 election).
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/94965404/labour-promises-to-scrap-national-standards-and-review-ncea-if-in-government
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:14am
  - SPC
    
    And Maxx its three strikes for you.
    
    Ardern the Justice spokesperson in 2015 says Labour would repeal three strikes.
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/06/labour_wants_to_repeal_three_strikes.html
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:21am
  - Maxx
    
    So if we’re to understand that ANYTHING Labour has said in the past will be implemented (unless they have said they won’t) we’ll be looking for Andrew Little to change the law so rape accused would have to prove consent under what was proposed in 2014?
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:35am
    - SPC
      
      I have demonstrated that they have not “just come up with these” (your claim), that all three have been long held Labour Party positions.
      
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      November 1, 2017 8:41am
    - SPC
      
      And your other assertion that they did not campaign on them is also untrue.
      
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      November 1, 2017 8:42am
- Scott
  
  Yes I think the repeal of 3 strikes should be totally debated in Parliament. I cannot remember it being a campaign promise? According to many it is working well and it seems a shame to dump it.
  
  One thing I do admire about Labour is that when they get into power they immediately and shamelessly do things. They change things. They have the courage of their convictions and they actually make policy differences.
  
  National on the other hand is hopelessly weak. When national gets into power again they will maybe tinker around the edges with social policy. But they will leave the left-wing policies of the previous administration basically intact.
  
  The trouble with National is they have no real convictions. Once they are in power they think that is the natural order of things. They maybe lower the top marginal tax rate and free up the economy a bit. But the basic leftist liberal attack on the family and on social order and on our traditional values will never be reversed by a national government. They just do not have courage. They just do not fight.
  
  That’s one of the things that I love most about Donald Trump. Love or hate him at least he has courage and he does fight. We need fighters in the National party with conviction and courage to change things in this nation for the better!
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:37am
  - SPC
    
    Labour said they would get rid of three strikes in their manifesto.
    
    https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/8485/attachments/original/1505175899/Justice_Manifesto.pdf?1505175899
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:43am
  - howitis
    
    National Party are placeholders.
    They are like the recorded music that plays when the real band takes a break.
    That is a polite way of saying they are either too timid or too lazy to do anything.
    
    They hang about to give us break from action.
    It would probably make sense to permanently set out for the next 50 years – 4 years Labour and 8 years Gnats. After 4 years Labour have shot their bolt (sometimes before) whereas National are so useless at decision making when they actually do things they really really really fuck it up:
    Exempli Gratia
    -Auckland Suuuper City (with the pitiful ACT who attract 1 in 200 voters)
    -Leaky homes and ability to make houses out of chicken wire, cheap Chilly bins, and plaster -Kiwi derailed Bolger
    They had to be aware of South Canterbury Finance going crazy (I was) but did nothing so risked nearly 2 billion of taxpayers money simply because they were too lazy to do anything. The bank guarantee was made during the campaign period and the Gnats had to be aware or they are financially inept.
    Gnats had a hui or whatever early after the 2008 election and came up with the genius idea of ..wait for it… cycleways. Simply Inspirational.
    
    I voted for the Gnats in 2017. I have buyer’s remorse since about 10 days ago. They simply don’t do enough to deserve a vote. Maybe ever!
    Blinglish was PM for 9 months.
    This was nearly half the time Norm Kirk was PM. Kirk did heaps – agree with it or not.
    He enacted ACC legislation;
    pulled the troops form the quagmire of Viet Nam;
    sent a frigate to Mururoa to rark up the nasty French;
    was able to build more houses p.a. with a population of 3 million than Gnats could after 9 years with SHA and Nick Smith as a complete retard messing up anything he touched ….aaand no need to bring in Filipinos or Irish to do it;
    Norm changed Maori Protest Day to ‘New Zealand Day’ and the Vichy Gnats changed it back to Waitangi where it has been Maori Protest Day for over 2 decades complete with hot dog eating and dildo throwing;
    Big Norm introduced a second TV channel when there was only one.
    
    Gnats: 9 years Cycleways and gay marriage and talking about doing things in the future. Wow! Underwhelming. Even the ‘tax cuts’ were in the future so like all things Gnat never happen.
    Labour has done more in 9 days than Gnats did in 9 years.
    9 months of Bill as PM and I think he talked about pizza and doing stuff in 20+ years. That is all!
    
    He spoke about ‘doing stuff’ in the last 2 weeks of the campaign -in the future- and would not have even mumbled that if the Labour horse had not changed jockey 6 weeks before.
    
    When Gnats are in power they should get a stipend of minimum wage for simply breathing and doing nothing.
    Multiple election loser Dildo Joyce (Northland 2015; Mt Roskill by-election 2016, too scared to contest Mt Albert 2017 by-election; 2017 General Election) was on TV wanging on about the simple and good idea of foreigners building new houses and not buying existing stock.
    Gnats had 9 years and did SFA so STFU.
    
    Gnat diehards can down tick me. I really don’t care. Gnatz had their chance for 9 years and were too lazy to bother.
    Either piss or get off the pot. Gnats sat of the pot for 9 years and did not even fart. Stand aside for people who will do something.
    
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    November 1, 2017 10:58am
    - hullkiwi
      
      Kirk did not enact ACc, it was National before 72 election. Check your facts. Norm was died over 12 months before TV2 went to air.
      Face it you a sad socialist juvenile who has a poor grasp of history and facts. So go back to H2 and check your fa CTS before we play drop kick with you some more.
      PS. Northland, remind us all please, which gutless wonder of a leader didn’t put up a candidate in the 2015 by-election?
      You are a drop kick like muttonhead, psycho & splodge!
      
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      November 1, 2017 11:28am
- SPC
  
  Ending Hobbit Law in manifesto 2017.
  
  http://www.labour.org.nz/workplace_relations_policy
  
  Labour said they would get rid of three strikes in their 2017 manifesto.
  
  https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/nzlabour/pages/8485/attachments/original/1505175899/Justice_Manifesto.pdf?1505175899
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/94965404/labour-promises-to-scrap-national-standards-and-review-ncea-if-in-government
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:48am
wiseowl

Message to Mr Joyce.
Take a break and maybe spend a little time listening to New Zealanders .
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November 1, 2017 8:04am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Are you channeling Audrey Young wiseowl?
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:15am
- flipper
  
  The one thing you are not is “wise”.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:06am
  - flipper
    
    Just so we are clear on this KS….
    My Labrador is much better looking than Young. And demonstrates more intelligence by ignoring the purveyors of tripe….. but then I must refrain from being overtly ad hom. 🙂
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:11am
  - oldgolfer
    
    What a hoot.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:42am
- peterwn
  
  Message to Mr Wiseowl
  A political party cannot be all things to all people. Its politicians are acutely aware that they need to target as large a share of the voting share as possible.
  So one should not blame National when one votes NZF to ‘teach National a lesson’ and ends up with a Labour/NZF/Green government.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:52am
waikatogirl

The 3 Strikes law is on the chopping block. Andrew Little says after 8 years it has made no difference to the offending rates.

Ah, would that have anything to do with the judiciary refusing to implement this law.

Sorry DG, great effort while it lasted.
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November 1, 2017 8:05am
- Muttonbird
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Which strike is DG on at the moment? He’s probably quite relieved.
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:11am
  - Lance
    
    Have all the lefties hugged their crim today?
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:27am
  - dime
    
    what an asshole
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:26am
    - Muttonbird
      
      DG? Yes, so I’ve heard.
      
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      November 1, 2017 9:28am
      - dime
        
        heh when i wrote that i thought, muttonbird seems like a low rent shit bag, i bet if i dont mention it by name it will reply… well, as you replied.
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:59am
      - Muttonbird
        
        What’s your point, dim?
        
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        November 1, 2017 12:26pm
- peterwn
  
  It was obvious all along that Labour would repeal the ‘three strikes’ law just as the last Labour government repealed the concept of ‘home invasion’.
  By and large the judiciary has implemented the law except for several high profile cases where they invoked the ‘manifestly unjust’ letout. However it is extremely doubtful that it has blunted the deterrent effect of the law. Most of these accused had mental health issues which would be why they were not ‘deterred’.
  I do not know Andy Little’s general stance on this aspect of law and order, but by abolishing ‘three strikes’ he would be handing a ‘win’ to crim hugging penal activists with minimal impact on deterrence. I suspect the repeal legislation will have a provision to retrospectively modify ‘three strikes’ sentences. Decisions on the Crown appeals against in two cases are awaited and I suspect the judges were waiting until after the election before concluding their decision in the hope they need not bother. I would not be surprised if Crown Law seeks leave to withdraw those appeals and the judges will heave a sigh of relief. Will the Nats reintroduce ‘three strikes’ – this would be extremely unlikely. The Nats chucked out a ‘three strikes’ remit before it reached its National Conference – it called for reckless driving causing death (which is virtually manslaughter) to be included as a ‘strike’ crime.
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:32am
- dubya
  
  Will NZ first vote to repeal three strikes? Seems a bit contradictory from the party who said they’d donate $158,000 to the RSA murders victims… Oh wait
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:37am
  - peterwn
    
    They will – whatever is expedient at the time. I sense however there will be extreme caution in Labour – they will not want to ease up on sentencing policies too much for fear of another Panmure RSA incident happening. But easy to appease the crim hugger supporters with cosmetic things such as repealing three strikes, giving prisoners the vote, etc.
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:47am
  - flipper
    
    I think dubya reads the tea leaves with more insight than some. I suspect Peters would be looking for a political advantage, but I cannot see any in a repeal. They might be inclined to leave that ugly dog sleeping.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:16am
- David Garrett
  
  Waikato: It aint over till it’s over as they say… watch for a campaign in which we introduce New Zealand to the 216 second strikers, all of whom: 1) Have at least two offences of serious violence to their name; and 2) the vast majority of whom have extensive pre strike history; and 3) who are all serving their full Judge given sentence without parole as a result of the law.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:48am
  - peterwn
    
    Best of luck, mate. I suspect the vast majority of people could not care less.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:58am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Until it happens to them.
      
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      November 1, 2017 1:20pm
      - peterwn
        
        One crim-hugging source thinks that those most at risk are other crims and low-lifers, and ordinary people would remain at little risk.
        This does not seem to be borne out by the Panmure RSA murders or jeweller Paul Miet who was ‘accidentally’ shot when his shop was held up or the bank staffer who was shot dead when the crim had an excessively twitchy finger. The crim had been released from jail that morning and his associates had set the job up.
        It will probably need another high profile case like this to focus the publics’ mind on this – especially those who voted NZ First to ‘teach National a lesson’.
        
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        November 1, 2017 3:05pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Sad to see a law that keeps society safe to be disposed of. Any law that deters violence, or at best escalating violence should be retained. Some of those guys in prison for heinous violence scare the shit out of me and need to never be released. As Rachael says, until it happens to them…
    
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    November 1, 2017 2:22pm
oldpark

Wonder when Winston Peters was doing his negotiations for two weeks, in who would he instal as the next NZ Government. His decision and betrayal of his loyal pensioner voters was just a fore-runner of his decision.
Placing the Political Parasites and criminal hugging Lie-bour/Green mafias was bad enough.
Just imagine one of the results, even before the so called coalitions ink is dry.
Angry Andy Little you know the guy who couldnt cut the mustard as leader. He has just announced the the “Three Strikes Law” “And you are out” for criminals will be cancelled.
NZ is in for some pretty difficult times by the way that criminals will now be able to proceed as normal,knowing that the criminal hugging Lie-bour/Green mafias ,have their sympathy.
Wonder did the meglamaniac Peters know that the law would be outlawed ,or would he care.
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November 1, 2017 8:12am
- pdm
  
  Let me help you a little (pun intended) more Oldpark.
  
  This is the same Andrew Little who turned the safe Labour seat of New Plymouth into a safe National seat over two elections. It is also the same Andrew Little who the Unions decreed must be high on the Labour List notwithstanding his incompetence as a party leader.
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:27am
  - James Stephenson
    
    …and as Keeping, with his awesome powers of recall regularly reminds us, the same Andrew Little who said one thing about Pike River as head of the EPMU and is now saying completely the opposite as Minister in charge of appeasing a few vocal families.
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:57am
  - KevOB
    
    This is the same Andrew Little who is going to give the CTU exccutive a conducted tour of Pike River mine.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:15am
    - sooty
      
      Hay, Labour need all the union heavys it can get!
      
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      November 1, 2017 8:39pm
- treadingthemill
  
  @ oldpark
  
  knowing that the criminal hugging Lie-bour/Green mafias
  
  Not according to this…
  
  I’m particularly excited that Labour has been so responsive and embracing of New Zealand First’s law and order platform, enshrining it in the coalition agreement. It’s arguably one of the most right-wing flourishes of the new government, with the express intention of striving “towards adding 1800 new police officers over three years”, while committing “to a serious focus on combating organised crime and drugs”.
  
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/98370129/police-minister-stuart-nash-keen-to-smash-gang-activity
  
  The view that the right is always tough on criminals and the left soft is a simplistic theme that is not always born out by the facts. National, as part of it’s budget tightening approach to deliver surpluses at any cost, allowed Police numbers to stagnate with the result that the Police were stretched and unable to operate effectively to combat crime. The three strikes law may have had symbolic value, but did it reduce violent crime? The recent string of dairy robberies, and other violent crimes, might say otherwise. On the other hand a large increase in the number of front line Police, and a policy focused on organized and gang related crime may well do so.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:43am
hullkiwi

From reports on Morning Report, Twitford is not happy with the new PTOM bus & ferry contracts that the regions have been tendering/negotiating for the past 3 years. Seems he is giving some payback to his mates in the unions because wages may have got squeezed. Oh dear, where does one start except to say forget your trams the money tree will be stripped bare. At the same time he might want to look into the tax free status of one bus company (iwi owned), that has cheap capital, distorts the market and can cherry pick its contracts. Bet he won’t do the latter.
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November 1, 2017 8:12am
- Paulus
  
  Isn’t Alfie, Grant’s wife a Wellington Bus Driver ?
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:20am
  - hullkiwi
    
    So who picked who up then?
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:33am
    - Jack5
      
      Did he give him a free ride?
      
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      November 1, 2017 8:54am
      - sam green
        
        Are you married Jack5?
        
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        November 1, 2017 12:33pm
  - flipper
    
    “Wife” or “husband” ?
    I have seen him wearing a fairy crown… 🙂
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:19am
- peterwn
  
  Bus drivers will probably be added to the list of protected jobs (cleaners, catering, hospital anciliary staff etc) where new contractors have to re-engage existing employees on same terms and conditions.
  Phil has made one call showing he is not completely dumb – not ‘saving’ the Wellington trolleybuses which meant that the Government would have had to shell out millions to the Regional Council to pay Wellington Electricity to replace the clapped out transformer/rectifier gear that feed the wires (that the gear has lasted so long is of great credit to the manufacturers).
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:54am
  - hullkiwi
    
    Trust me with the money saved in Wellington, he has already spent it with the call about bus driver T&Cs. Obviously, he doesn’t have a clue about the issue, his officials will suggest a study, a committee & then park it. Else his money tree will be bare & Robot won’t be best pleased.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:09am
  - VicParking
    
    Are these the electric buses the green Council/regional council are going to replace with 100 diesel ones.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:25am
JIV

I cant believe how lucky I am to have this Coalition of Chaos controlling the purse strings. I may have missed out on $1k of my own money, as there are no tax cuts, but I’m making way more.
Hearing my teenager can get free driving lessons at school will help my bank account and heart rate, and now free university when he leaves school is awesome.
Im not sure Im the target audience for our dear leader, being mortgage free, a high earner and able to send the kid to private school, but the money saved should help us afford more than just the one overseas holiday a year.
Still two ticks blue, but thanks for the handout.
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November 1, 2017 8:14am
- Inandout
  
  There is a downside JIV, and that is a thing called tax.
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:16am
  - JIV
    
    True. But at this stage everyone in the country gets taxed so a small amount of students can benefit. Just make sure you have a kid at the right age for this window of opportunity.
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:23am
Paulus

Congratulations to Susi Fergusson for proving to us all what an incompetent prat David Parker is.
Obviously he knew sweet fa about the pronouncement that houses will not be sold to foreigners (except Australians).
When questioned as to how this was to work he did not have a clue.
I believe he was a Property Developer and Solicitor in Dunedin, although some bankrupts may dispute this.
The programme was told by professional that the incidence was rare and other than additional paperwork there would be nothing in it.
Susi was good when she pressed him and got bluster and half nothings.
No doubt Susi will be told off by RNZ (Heather Simpson (H2) ex Helen Clark) now well ensconced in Cindy’s office.
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November 1, 2017 8:16am
- hullkiwi
  
  Heard the same interview. Ferguson will be reprimanded for:
  1. Making Parker not know what he was talking about;
  2. Asking questions and making comments that the CoL were making law changes on gut instinct rather than based on evidence; and finally
  3. Make yesterday’s big policy statement look like gesture politics as the horse has long since bolted and the gesture of getting rid of foreign home buyers is too late.
  Well done RNZ & Suzi Ferguson, that is two mornings in a row Morning Report has helped expose failings in the CoL, as some have said grab the popcorn we’re in for a good show.
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:31am
  - Ross12
    
    Maybe RNZ has got a message from somewhere that they have been known as Radio Pravda ( or something similar) by a wide section of the community for some time and they have suddenly worked out what it means.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:15am
    - hullkiwi
      
      That reminds me of the line my Russian teacher told us at school about the 2 communist rags Yzvestiya (translated as News) and Pravada (translated as Truth)
      
      “There is never any truth in the News, and never any news in the Truth”.
      
      Probably very apt for the NZ MSM.
      
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      November 1, 2017 9:56am
- Chris R
  
  This policy is more about depicting NZ’ers as terrible at budgeting than anything else. Apparently we’re so useless at saving for a deposit for a home that a small % of foreigners have to be obliterated to protect us. We all bought our homes on an open market, paid off our mortgages on an open market, paid for maintenance and general care on an open market….but No! We’re not allowed to sell on an open market. In NZ we’ve had the benefit of indefeasability of title for generations which has guaranteed our ownership of our homes. The rights of ownership include a right to sell to whomsoever we choose and when we choose. This bunch of commie thugs masquerading as a government have just stomped on our private property rights! It is no excuse that the Aussies have a policy like this, as that is simply moral equivalence and reveals that that government too is a destroyer of private property rights. I disliked Labour as an opposition but I detest the new fiasco with a passion.
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:47am
  - Gruffydd
    
    a small % of foreigners
    
    Jesus and Mohammad.
    3%per year
    That’s 30% of housing stock over ten years.
    Small my arse.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:23am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Would somebody like to check this maths? I suspect there is a problem in the logic here….
      
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      November 1, 2017 9:38am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        There always is..
        
        Someone is assuming that the only sales for the next 10 years will be cumulatively to the small foreigner %.
        
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        November 1, 2017 9:52am
      - Gruffydd
        
        Yes Maggy
        We could legitimately conclude that if any of the foreigners houses are resold only 3% will be re brought by foreigners.
        Makes fuck all difference to the fact that 3 % per year represents a considerable proportion of housing stock going into foreign hands over a decade or so.
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:04am
      - GazzaW
        
        He’s assuming that there will be no increase in the housing stock over ten years and that all of those offshore buyers will not only not onsell their properties but if they do that they won’t be sold to Kiwis.
        
        Fake maths.
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:30am
      - Ed Snack
        
        To be fair to Griff, he’s only making the same sort of assumptions and maths used all the time in climate “science”.
        
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        November 1, 2017 12:05pm
    - Chris R
      
      It is 3% pa. This is a small % by any measure other than the cumulative one you have applied. Here’s another thought: If a person dies owning a freehold home in NZ and all of their would-be beneficiaries in their will have become foreign…ie children, brothers, sisters overseas who can inherit? The answer is none of them can. The property would need to be sold then the proceeds sent to the beneficiaries overseas. The policy will not make any difference to housing affordability in NZ.
      
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      November 1, 2017 10:26am
      - Gruffydd
        
        It is cumulative.
        That is so obvious the fact it gets ignored makes me think those who quote 3% a year as a small proportion are spinning the effect of offshore buyers on our housing stock.
        3% per year would represent a larger number of dwellings as the overall housing stock rises
        Again obvious unless you are intent on spinning the numbers.
        
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        November 1, 2017 11:06am
      - Paulus
        
        I assume that this lot would bring in Exchange Control so not let them get their inheritance of the forced house sale ?
        Damn Capitalists.
        
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        November 1, 2017 2:22pm
    - Brigitte
      
      No Griff, it’s 3% of SALES. So in Auckland, 500,000 houses say 1,000 sales p.a. = 30 to foreigners. After 10 years that is 300 owned by foreigners which is just 0.06% of the housing stock. You can scale up the 1,000 sales if you wish but I doubt you’ll get anything worrisome in terms of foreign ownership.
      
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      November 1, 2017 10:58am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        3% Per annum is still 3%, whether it’s over 1 year, 10 years or a 100 years. You can’t take a per anum amount and sum it over a period and then say the sum is the new total percentage as Griff has done. I suspect Griff needs Maths lessons, Grant Robertson may be available. He does magic with numbers.
        
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        November 1, 2017 11:08am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘GriffMath’
        – snigger
        
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        November 1, 2017 11:19am
      - Gruffydd
        
        yes I see your point .
        Think first then type
        
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        November 1, 2017 11:22am
    - rangitoto
      
      So kiwis buying 97% will after 10 years own 970%. What a tool.
      
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      November 1, 2017 12:51pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  So the way I see it, I advertise my services as an agent for foreign buyers. I buy the house and set it up in a trust in their name. Or are foreigners banned from Trusts as well? So for possibly 3% of the market we are prepared to put our international trade treaties at risk. And there will be zero flow on affect as the housing market will still respond to the basics of supply and demand.
  But I could make a bit of money out of this…
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:56am
  - Chris R
    
    Could be! I suspect that somewhere in the paper work a lawyer will need to declare something like this…”to the best of my knowledge this purchase does not countermand Foreign Buyers Reg’n # XXX.” If this is later shown to be untrue the lawyer and the “buyer” will both be in deep shit! Whatever happens this idiocy won’t make it simpler for NZ’ers to buy cheap homes, why should NZ be any different to all other countries? This “policy” is nothing more than a bigoted brain fart.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:00am
    - Paulus
      
      Are you saying that a conveyancing lawyer would never falsify such an affidavit for money ?
      
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      November 1, 2017 2:24pm
  - KevOB
    
    The buyer needs to be hidden several levels deep. For a primer on this refer to Wishart’s books. They describe a legal merrygoround with agents both overseas, local, constructive trusts and nominee shareholders.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:28am
  - smttc
    
    Wrong. There are rules in the Overseas Investment legislation which capture and prohibit NZers acting as nominees for overseas persons. It captures transactions such as trusts and purchasing on behalf of overseas persons using their money.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:34am
    - KevOB
      
      See Wishart. When agency get several levels deep it can be very hard to prove what the facts are. An agent may take instructions via a foreign source which itself is taking orders from NZ etc. Legal or illegal ownership can be hidden.
      
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      November 1, 2017 6:37pm
VicParking

Its great being in opposition.
Joyce ripped into Guyon on Red Radio this morning. Interupting him rather than visa versa.
Its so easy as Labours policies are all words, have no valid outcomes other than ideological socialist mantra. Minister Genter, in another interview, when asked about her promise to double the budget of the ‘womens affairs’ ministry said that its not her responsibility as she is not the Minister of Finance.
When Robertson was asked the same question he said that it was Genter’s responsibility to present him with a budget??????
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November 1, 2017 8:16am
- flipper
  
  Heh Vic….
  Joyce sounds like good sport. Do you have a link ?
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:24am
  - VicParking
    
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/morningreport/audio/2018619962/new-govt-s-housing-ban-lacks-detail-steven-joyce
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:34am
VicParking

Lets cut migration, except for the 700 from Manus Island. Australia wont take them “because of the mental and physical state these men are in”
Come on all your Labour Mayors stand up and be counted and take these men into your bosom’s.
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November 1, 2017 8:25am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Please don’t encourage Mayor McDouall in Whanganui Vic. He’s just as likely to offer to take the whole lot!
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:30am
  - GazzaW
    
    Only if Dave Cull hasn’t beaten him to the draw.
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:56am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I trust the Australia government is carrying out thorough background checks into each of the men on Manus Island. Once they identify the country of origin, the Australians can conduct a police background check.
  The rule should be: no entry without verification. (Health & Safety demands no less…)
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:41am
  - Jack5
    
    Good morning, Odakyu-sen:
    
    Perhaps the Manus illegal boat people should also have to meet occupational requirements, as law-abiding immigrants do.
    
    Illegal border invaders are enemies just as much as if they came ashore carrying assault rifles and grenades. It beats me how bleeding heart Leftists can treat them like victims.
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:52am
    - realityczech
      
      “Illegal border invaders are enemies just as much as if they came ashore carrying assault rifles and grenades. It beats me how bleeding heart Leftists can treat them like victims.”
      
      Really Jackboot ?
      
      The U.S. Government Turned Away Thousands of Jewish Refugees
      
      Read more: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/us-government-turned-away-thousands-jewish-refugees-fearing-they-were-nazi-spies-180957324/#3priiTwbc8fH27Fs.99
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      November 1, 2017 12:38pm
      - Jack5
        
        There you go, ☪ Kea/realityczech.☪
        
        The poor Jews trying to dodge the Holocaust left politely when turned away. Civilised refugees.
        
        The Muslim gatecrashers come in on pirate boats and try to move ashore regardless. Invaders.
        
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        November 1, 2017 1:57pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jackboot what do you think we should do about the Muslim question ?
        
        Do you agree with the influential Rabbi that genocide is the answer ?
        
        Israeli rabbi calls for prayers for Iran’s destruction
        
        An influential Israeli rabbi has called for prayers for Iran’s destruction, a week after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu appeared to court his support for a possible attack on a nuclear program Israel sees as an existential threat.
        
        https://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/26/234337.html
        
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        November 1, 2017 5:19pm
- Rich Prick
  
  We’re already being soft-soaped by the media calling them “refugees”. They are not. They are immigration queue jumpers who desperately want to get to the head of the welfare line. If Cindy does take them, may I suggest the climate on Auckland Island might not be to their liking and therefore ideal.
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:56am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Refugees” in the modern world are different from the “refugees” in post-war Europe.
    A refugee must be willing to assimilate into the host culture. If they do not, then they are a “colonizer.”
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:42am
  - VicParking
    
    White island is a much better answer
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:43am
Jack5

Why the death penalty is rational and necessary.

The scumbag who beheaded the off-duty British soldier, Lee Rigby, is suing for damages for his treatment as a prisoner – and he is converting other prisoners to Islam.

To protect their lives, prison guards giving evidence will have to have their names suppressed to save their lives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5035517/Lee-Rigby-murderer-launches-25-000-court-case-against-MoJ.html
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November 1, 2017 8:26am
- Nostradamus
  
  From the article Jack5’s linked to:
  
  Mr Justice Langstaff said Adebolajo had not been given legal aid to pay for lawyers to represent him. He said Adebolajo might have to represent himself at any trial and suggested that it would be in the interests of justice if public funding could be given. ‘If and when this case comes to trial it will be a great pity to justice, and in particular the presentation of the claimant’s case, if some means were not found to ensure he had professional help,’ said the judge. ‘If that could be done by public funds all the better.’
  
  My goodness…
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:34am
- Keeping Stock
  
  There is one certainty with the death penalty; it reduces the reoffending rate!
  
  Of course we have our own serial litigant prisoner here, one Phillip “Baldie” Smith. Smith is claiming his human rights are being abused by him being kept in maximum security prisons for his own safety. It’s highly likely that if he was released into a less secure environment, he would be a target to get the bash or worse.
  
  It’s just a pity Smith wasn’t so worried about the human rights of the boy he molested, or the father of the boy whom he murdered.
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:34am
  - Jack5
    
    Wiggie Smith made a stack of dough running a business from within prison. State-funded office as well as board.
    
    Perhaps a hangman might have said to Wiggie on the scaffold those years ago: “Well, Smithy, this will stop you from going completely bald.” ?
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:39am
  - GoVege
    
    Hehe.
    Apparently Reginald Christie complained of an itchy nose on the scaffold.
    The hangman told him “it won’t bother you for long”.
    
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    November 1, 2017 11:04am
- realityczech
  
  “Why the death penalty is rational and necessary.”
  
  Israel has been found guilty of human rights abuses and breaches of international law. The death penalty is rational and necessary ?
  
  Or is this another special exception of the Jews ?
  
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  November 1, 2017 12:49pm
cas

I see Labour and the greens ( Winston missing in action at present) are doing their best to sing Groucho Marx’s song ” Whatever it is, I’m against it.”
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November 1, 2017 8:30am
- VicParking
  
  Is Winston having chemotherapy? Its a “Rumour” I heard on the weekend and did not rate it, however if he is not to be found????
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:50am
  - sam green
    
    Lets just spread it anyway aye.
    
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    November 1, 2017 1:07pm
Jack5

The Hollywood rape wave spreads to political parties.

A British Labour activist says she was raped at a party event – and told by a party official to forget it.

This follows the names of 40 Conservative MPs being collected for some sort of naughty (or worse) behaviour.

Are rape allegations becoming sort of hysteria in the way allegations of group abuse of children at care centres were a few decades ago?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/31/labour-activist-says-raped-senior-figure-party-event-told/
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November 1, 2017 8:31am
- EAD_TWO
  
  That Tory Party sure needs a clear out at the top don’t they Jack?
  
  Looks like the folks running Hollywood are the same ones running the Tory Party according to Former Prime Minister David Cameron:
  
  https://www.timesofisrael.com/surprise-new-uk-trade-minister-is-committed-jew-thinks-israels-amazing/
  
  There are so many Jews at the top of Britain’s Conservative party, Prime Minister David Cameron once quipped, that it should be known as the Torah party rather than the Tory party
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:05am
  - EAD_TWO
    
    8 downticks!
    
    I guess people must think David Cameron is a Naaaaaazzzzziiii for telling the truth such is their psychological conditioning ?
    
    1% Control The World
    4% Are Sellout Puppets
    90% Are Asleep
    5% Know And Are Trying To Wake Up The 90%.
    The 1% Don’t Want The 5% Waking Up The 90%
    
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    November 1, 2017 10:14am
- Inandout
  
  Then there is Cliff Richard.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:56am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Wasn’t he cleared?
    
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    November 1, 2017 1:05pm
  - Fletch
    
    Who was dragged through the mud by the media only to find that he had done nothing wrong.
    
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    November 1, 2017 1:46pm
peterwn

Labour people saying daft things. Grant Robertson saying that a decline in the NZ dollar is ‘inevitable’ with a change of government. Most of the decline IMO is on account of Labour acceding to Winstons wacky financial demands that will seriously weaken the economy.
Then Stuart Nash claim the Police have been underfunded for nine years. Presumably they must have been underfunded for a bit longer (when Labour was in power), they would not suddenly be underfunded in the first year of a new government. He should have said six years.
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November 1, 2017 8:39am
- Rich Prick
  
  What Grant doesn’t understand is that exchange rates “blip” for a few days after an election. What we are seeing is a sustained decline. My pre-election investment is doing very nicely. Keep fucking it up Grant & Co, you’ve more than covered the cancelled tax cuts.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:09am
  - KevOB
    
    Some gain others lose. There go the prices: petrol…and almost everything else. Is the plan to increase pensions by increasing the CPI to which they are indexed? Compo for stealing the legislated increases?
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:35am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Indeed. And that fuels inflation and interest rates affecting your average Labour supporter (lower income, more debt) more than most. I hope Labour keeps up with their audacious policy announcements as that will cement the sustained decline. I’m not sure the average Aucklander servicing a $800k loan on a soon to be $600k house at 8-11% will be too happy they actually voted for that, but there you go.
      
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      November 1, 2017 9:50am
BarryB

Ive been thinking about the sudden world-wide epidemic of sexual abuse that is being reported.
I cant believe that since there are so many feminists around that they seems unable to stand up for themselves. I know a few females and I can tell you that anyone who tried some form of sexual abuse (and I mean real sexual abuse – not just accidental contact when getting on a train – which some crazy female called sexual abuse) with them would very quickly develop an aversion to it.
Anyway Ive decided that (if it is real and not just a wave of copycat moans) the solution is simple.

Lets adopt the system that is used in some middle east countries and ban females from being in public. That will certainly stop the problem.
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November 1, 2017 8:40am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Is it an epidemic or is it a fad?
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:45am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Is it an epidemic or is it a fad?
    
    Neither…. For many folks abuse is a way of life
    
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-41817519
    
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    November 1, 2017 10:58am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  ban females from being in public. That will certainly stop the problem.
  
  You think that females can’t be abused in the sanctity of their own homes?
  https://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21721651-they-are-clinging-patriarchy-comfort-sorry-state-arab-men
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:48am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  What about this 13 year-old Perth girl raped by daddy and at least 8 others in her home…
  what do you reckon she should have done?
  http://www.news.com.au/national/western-australia/inside-the-depraved-sick-world-of-the-evil-8-paedophile-ring-in-western-australia/news-story/867769490f67547389a25d472f18ba66
  
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  November 1, 2017 12:49pm
  - lofty
    
    The poor child…bloody animals!
    
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    November 1, 2017 1:08pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Maggy, According to BarryB, she should have been stronger. //
    Appalling.
    
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    November 1, 2017 2:39pm
EAD_TWO

Irish Savant once again hoists the SJWs by their one petards the SJWs. Poor ol Whites can’t win when they leave an area (the evil of “White flight”), nor when they move back in (the evil of “gentrification”!

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/10/a-baffling-paradox.html

I need your help here with a seemingly intractable problem. You see I’m reading a lot about the evils of White Flight which it seems is a Very Bad Thing, having a dreadful impact on the vibrants left behind. Whites apparently ‘take all the jobs with them’ while property prices and local tax revenues collapse with their departure. Meanwhile the unfortunate vibrants left behind “suffer from” all kinds of pathologies like collapsing infrastructure, murder, assault, robbery and drug addiction. Strangely enough the identity of those making the Left Behind suffer is never made clear. I wonder could it be the suburban Whites sneaking back in at night? Who knows?

So that’s one thing. Now the other concerns gentrification. This refers to the practise whereby Whites, presumably touched by the suffering of the homeboys, leave their comfy suburbs and return to the city. You’d imagine, given the calamities of White Flight, its reversal would be greeted with joyous outpourings from the Left Behind. But no. It seems that gentrification is also a Very Bad Thing. Why? Apparently it leads to the “forced disenfranchisement and displacement of poor and working class people from the spaces and places in which they have legitimate social and historical claims and brings new standards in consumption, particularly in the form of excess and superfluity.” And latte at $5 a cup.

Oh dear. So we have black ‘community leaders’ bemoaning the flight of White residents from their cities. And then bemoaning their return as well. I have to concede I’m puzzled

You can’t argue with that!
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November 1, 2017 8:41am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The “black community leaders” don’t like change.
  Both “White flight” and “gentrification” bring about changes in the community (that are beyond their control). No wonder the “leaders” are upset.
  These changes force them to think and act differently–which they don’t like to do.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:49am
softail 1450

Seriously ,where the fuck is winston peters? he’s the prick that gave us this shitstorm and he’s disappeared .
Typical of the little pisshead .
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November 1, 2017 8:55am
- cmm
  
  He’s got everything where he wants it so why run around like a blow fly?
  
  He has the baubles he wants. He has the ministers he wants and he has his PA Jacinda well trained.
  
  Time to kick back and enjoy!
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:09am
  - RalphT
    
    In other words, the new Penny Bright, Mr Spray and Walk Away.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:12am
- KevOB
  
  Rumour has it Winston has been swallowed by a grouper. He collapsed while fishing, fell in and they are still getting signals from his pacemaker.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:38am
  - cmm
    
    This does raise an interesting issue…
    
    What happens to the ClusterParty if Winnie steps down one way or another (health or just says bugger it and retires)?
    
    That would surely be the end of the ClusterParty.
    
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    November 1, 2017 10:59am
    - Flash
      
      For a start, the coalition would have the same number of MPs as the opposition.
      
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      November 1, 2017 9:12pm
Notsofast

A discourse on common sense by a great crime analyst, he was instrumental in overturning the Amanda Knox nonsense. Yep, the international community is watching aghast at our little country

“I see quite a few cases where an investigation begins with idle suspicion and the police go looking for proof. Very often their “proof” comes down to one or two forensic test results that don’t fit a plausible story line, but likewise seem to have no innocent explanation.

The famous knife in the Amanda Knox case is one example. No one could explain how it would end up at the crime scene, and everything about the crime scene told a story that did not involve Amanda Knox or Raffaele Sollecito or a big kitchen knife. But the knife was central to the trial and the appeals, because of a trace DNA profile that is best explained as a lab error.

The same thing is playing out in New Zealand with the Mark Lundy case. Everything hinges on a tiny speck of dried material on his shirt, which prosecution experts insist is human brain tissue.

In fact, it could be anything, and it’s hard to imagine how Lundy could have committed this gruesome crime without being spattered from head to toe. But no one cares about context. Hence Lundy’s appeal, for which the result is now pending, turns on opaque scientific debate.

With Marta’s case, it should be easier. It should be enough to prove that the comment I found above, in less than a minute with a single query, is accurate. If it is true that the ABS systems on Volkswagens tend to fail when one slams on the brakes to avert a collision, this explains the skid marks found at the scene. Then we can dispense with the hare-brained idea that she wrecked her car and risked her own life to avenge an unwanted Valentine card.

But this brings us face to face with the greatest impediment to justice: lack of common sense. I don’t know what to do about that. I suppose publicity is the best hope.”
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November 1, 2017 9:06am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Christ Notsofast you’re tiresome.
  I assume you’re also donkey-deep in solving the JFK case as well.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:28am
  - Notsofast
    
    Can you imagine how tiresome you would find it being in a cage when you are innocent? You would either want people to explain your plight or you could not care less. Which is it Captain? I find it remarkable there are more Americans trying to help Mark Lundy than New Zealanders. But of course they have a large trove of similar cases and can see the absurdity of the police theory in Lundy. They focus on it because the proof he is innocent is so straightforward they see some hope.
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:33am
  - Scott
    
    Actually I think we should set up a team of investigators to help not so fast in his quest for justice for these high-profile crimes around the world.
    So people let’s get out there and start finding out who really did these murders? I myself will be lending my time and expertise to not so fast to finding the real killer of Nicole Simpson?? Also I will be writing to O.J. Simpson who I know has been tireless in searching for the real killer 🙂
    
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    November 1, 2017 9:46am
    - Notsofast
      
      You will be unsurprised to learn the Lundy case is heading for high moral ground. I post here because people read here. The media generally are derelict in their duty to report on unpopular issues. I tried to explain in advance what was happening in witness C and David Tamihere. I am doing my duty in explaining that Mark Lundy will not have his conviction quashed on a technicality, it is happening because he is innocent.
      Thank you all for reading and filing in that cavern between your ears.
      
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      November 1, 2017 9:52am
- Inandout
  
  Notso, you may be aware that a former man of law became involved in the Lundy case, and he is now in mental care. This case goes nowhere because the man is guilty.
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:01am
  - Notsofast
    
    All those who have studied the complete case files agree he is innocent, could not have got to and from the crime scene in any way postulated by the police. Ben Vanderkolk and Philip Morgan have studied the complete case files. Therefore they must understand full well they continue to prosecute an innocent man. This is a disgrace we should not be living with in a modern world.
    
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    November 1, 2017 10:06am
  - fernglas
    
    Who is that Inandout?
    
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    November 1, 2017 10:56am
    - Notsofast
      
      There were several detectives who called bullshit to Grantham when he declared Lundy was the suspect. This case destroyed many families.
      
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      November 1, 2017 11:02am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        Christine and Amber won’t be round anyone’s Christmas dinner table this year.
        
        Lundy is no victim.
        
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        November 1, 2017 1:09pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Marta’s case, reference ? Only some models and years of VW have had the problem, it’s rare but apparently possible. Some VWs are prone to electrical issues that can affect things like the ABS, an electrical problem in one area can affect other modules, had that issue myself.
  
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  November 1, 2017 3:50pm
  - Notsofast
    
    The case is discussed here
    
    http://www.injusticeanywhereforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=123&t=3490
    
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    November 1, 2017 5:10pm
Manolo

Obama is the man, right?
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/31/consumer-confidence-october.html

The surge in confidence comes at a time when U.S. share prices have hit record highs. Stocks have been lifted by strong economic growth, a surge in corporate earnings and increasing expectations of tax reform.
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November 1, 2017 9:25am
- KevOB
  
  The USA market is a casino. Money chasing money with the corporates buying back their own shares.
  I hope our NZ sovereign funds are not in that place.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:42am
DifferentPerspective

Liberals supporting pedophiles

Apparently, socialists at Columbia University and Black Lives Matter activists have gotten fed up with the bad press and unfair treatment of pedophiles (yes who gives a damn about the sexually violated children).

What is the matter with these people?
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November 1, 2017 9:27am
- Gruffydd
  
  Liberal does not mean socialist.
  That you don’t know the difference demonstrates you have no idea.
  Not as well as voting for Winston does.
  You voted for a socialist government. That fact makes you a socialist.
  Tell us all about socialists and pedophiles again?
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:40am
- cha
  
  Gullible fuckwit is gullible.
  
  http://gothamist.com/2017/10/31/mike_cernovich_stole_my_photo_lied.php#photo-1
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:47am
ex-golfer

So the promise of planting 100 million trees a year actually turns out to be planting an extra 40 million because 60 million are already being planted each year.

And Nash got found out on radio this morning when he was forced to admit that his extra police numbers are not much more than were already announced.

Spin, spin, spin (aka the Mike Munro effect)
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November 1, 2017 9:34am
Nostradamus

Penny concedes defeat:

SMASHING THE SOLID OLD STATE HOUSE BONES OF 14 TANIWHA ST GI.

The ‘State-sponsored’ demolition of the former home of Niki Rauti, 100% owned by the Crown – Tamaki Regeneration Ltd.

One of Penny’s Facebook friends asks:

Sherrill Baylis: Has she lost her home?

Penny Bright: Niki shifted to another place – or she would have been evicted. Property developers might think they’ve won this battle – but the WAR has just begun…
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November 1, 2017 9:41am
- VicParking
  
  She shifted to a nice NEW home just down the street. Could have been in it six months ago if she had any sense.
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:02am
- Swifty
  
  Good job.
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:32am
Keeping Stock

No one has mentioned the dreaded “T” word yet, but it has all the hallmarks…

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/31/nypd-responding-to-reports-shots-fired-in-lower-manhattan.html

http://abcnews.go.com/US/witness-describes-chaotic-scene-driver-kills-nyc/story?id=50843312
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November 1, 2017 9:43am
- cha
  
  Sorry to kill your terror boner.
  
  BREAKING UPDATE: NYPD official confirms, the incident in downtown Manhattan is NOT terror related.— New York City Alerts (@NYCityAlerts) October 31, 2017
  
  Per PD sources, a fight between two truck drivers lead to one truck hitting multiple pedestrians, and one truck driver opened fired— New York City Alerts (@NYCityAlerts) October 31, 2017
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:51am
  - Scott
    
    Well multiple reports now have the shooter calling out that famous Allah Akhbar phrase as he shoots people.
    
    However I am sure New York Mayor Bill De Blasio will be on the news shortly to reassure Americans about the rich tapestry of cultural diversity that we are witnessing.
    
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    November 1, 2017 10:47am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Frightening to contemplate the cognitive dissonance you must be wrestling with in your head on a daily basis. How do you manage to function at all?
    
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    November 1, 2017 11:15am
  - Ed Snack
    
    And sorry to deflate your own little hard on at the thought of people getting hurt, or maybe you will be stimulated by it.
    
    Now confirmed as a terrorist attack, conducted by an immigrant, confirmed as shouting Alluha Akbar. CNN even mistranslates it as “God is Great”. More accurately translated as Allah is Greater, “akbah” is the superlative case, and the phrase is intended as a threat or boast.
    
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    November 1, 2017 3:53pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Rented van, suspect had imitation guns and excited the van ‘screaming’. So at least 99% chance it was islamic terrorism, with fuckwit trying to get himself killed during ‘jihad’ so he can go to paradise
  
  But of course first reports were all about ‘road rage’
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:08am
- cha
  
  This is looking to be something fucking awful so I’ll withdraw and apologise for the terror boner jibe.
  
  The NYPD now confirms 7 people have died during the truck rampage in Manhattan.— New York City Alerts (@NYCityAlerts) October 31, 2017
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:11am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    The story has certainly evolved since I first saw it on the BBC Twitter feed about 90 minutes ago.
    
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    November 1, 2017 10:15am
    - cha
      
      This is video showing the #terrorist trying to get away with 2guns in #NYC #TerrorAttack after killing people pic.twitter.com/fnpcqH9MlI— Eddie Blanco (@EddieBlanco) October 31, 2017
      
      edit:
      
      Breaking: witnesses tell NYPD suspect shouted “Allah Akhbar”, FBI now taking over case – multiple sources tell CNN— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) October 31, 2017
      
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      November 1, 2017 10:16am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        The NYC Mayor has now confirmed the obvious, and describes this as an “act of terror”.
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:31am
  - Rich Prick
    
    In these times it’s always wiser to presume terrorism, usually Islamic, until proven otherwise. That way you’ll be right 99% of the time.
    
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    November 1, 2017 10:19am
  - tom hunter
    
    Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! – You damned near gave me a heart attack, cha.
    
    I knew my wife and daughter were in Manhattan today and tonight (NY time). Just called their friend on her cell and they’re all on the commuter train back to Tarrytown.
    
    Now I just have to get my heart under control. Between this and Las Vegas the daughter is certainly getting her American experience.
    
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    November 1, 2017 10:24am
    - cha
      
      Since the Bali bombings, every time I first hear about this shit happening I feel bloody awful, knot in the stomach, lump in the throat, sweating, the works, and I just fucking wish and hope it’s not what I think it is.
      
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      November 1, 2017 10:35am
Hugh Pavletich

Rise of the robot brickie: Automation could wipe out 600,000 construction jobs by 2040 … UK Telegraph (behind paywall)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/10/30/rise-robot-brickie-automation-could-wipe-600000-construction/

Almost one in three construction jobs could be eliminated over the next two decades as advances in robotics and digital technology mean human builders are replaced.

New research from Mace predicts 600,000 of the current 2.2m positions in the industry could be automated by 2040 as the “Fourth Industrial Revolution” turns the sector on its head.

One of the hardest-hit jobs in the industry is forecast to be bricklaying, with the current 73,000 people doing the job on UK building sites expected to tumble to just 4,300.

By 2040 there will be just 15,500 carpenters and internal fitters, down from 263,000 now, and the number of labourers will plummet from 127,000 to 7,500. Painters and decorators will also be driven out with just 6,500 positions expected in two decades, compared with the current 111,000 roles, according to the study’s forecasts. … read more via hyperlink above … (behind paywall) …

About Us | Mace

https://www.macegroup.com/about-us

Mace (construction company) – Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_(construction_company)
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November 1, 2017 9:46am
- Nostradamus
  
  Hugh:
  
  You posted this same comment yesterday.
  
  And then you posted this:
  
  Hello Hugh Pavletich,
  Arrow2 replied to your comment on Macro Afternoon:
  …
  Go to it or reply:
  
  That was a strange comment – even by your standards. Did you think that Kiwiblog readers needed to know that someone replied to your comment on MacroBusiness?
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:52am
- VicParking
  
  Hugh good to see you have been let out of your straight jacket for your morning rant. Sorry to inform you robot brick layers have been around for years. The most common brand used in NZ is called ‘Asian Migrant’. Work 10 hours a day, seven days a week and you can store them six to a room.
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:08am
  - sooty
    
    Not a union member to be found!
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:57pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  UNITED STATES HOME OWNERSHIP RATES RISING (US 63.9% – NZ 62.9%) … US CENSUS … REPORT INTEREST CO NZ
  
  US confidence rises, home ownership rising; NZ wins World Bank review; China PMIs sag; EU growth up; Swiss make huge profit speculating; Medcraft rips into auditors; UST 10yr yield at 2.37%; oil up and gold down; NZ$1 = 68.4 US¢, TWI-5 = 71.6 | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90642/us-confidence-rises-home-ownership-rising-nz-wins-world-bank-review-china-pmis-sag-eu
  
  And new data out today shows the American home ownership rate rising again, and for the fifth quarter in a row. It is now at 63.9%. (The equivalent NZ rate is 62.9%.)
  
  https://www.census.gov/housing/hvs/files/currenthvspress.pdf
  
  2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:29am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    John Key sure has a lot to answer for … access information http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … in particular …
    
    1. VIDEO … John Key Housing Reform 2007
    2. The 5 Important Graphs
    3. GONE GONE GOING section … now really GONE GONE GONE !
    
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    November 1, 2017 11:04am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      New dwelling consents dropped 12.5% nationwide last month and slumped 26.7% in Auckland | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/90625/new-dwelling-consents-dropped-125-nationwide-last-month-and-slumped-267-auckland
      
      Statistics NZ is reporting a big drop in the number of new homes consented during September.
      
      Building consents were issued for 2770 new dwellings, down 12.5% from the 3166 issued in August, but up 6% on September last year.
      
      The month-on-month decline was even greater in Auckland, with consents for just 868 new dwellings issued in September, down 26.7% from August.
      
      There was also a big decline in the Waikato, where consents for 293 homes were issued in September, down 17.7% compared to August.
      
      New dwelling consents have also fallen in Canterbury for the last two months, but remained above where they were in September last year. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
      Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
      
      http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
      
      … extract …
      
      Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
      
      Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
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      The development and construction sectors will respond rapidly … allowing the government to meet its housing aspirations.
      
      Robertson asks to be judged on how Labour govt lifts productivity; Says foreign investment still welcome, just not in existing houses; Is ‘realistic’ about RBNZ’s ability to effect full employment | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90604/robertson-asks-be-judged-how-labour-govt-lifts-productivity-says-foreign-investment-still
      
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      November 1, 2017 11:57am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    How to pay for an uncongested Auckland … Bernard Hickey … Newsroom
    
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/10/31/57399/how-to-pay-for-an-uncongested-auckland
    
    … extract …
    
    Other financing tools
    
    Twyford said the new Government was also pushing ahead with plans for infrastructure bonds serviced by targeted rates in new areas. An infrastructure funding solution was needed before any removal of Metropolitan Urban Limit, which has now become the Rural Urban Growth boundary under the new Unitary Plan.
    
    “It’s that failure of urban growth that’s at the heart of the problems we’ve got with gridlock on the roads and expensive housing. The highly restrictive planning system and the Metropolitan Urban Limit is the sharp end of that, but also infrastructure financing is critical,” he said.
    
    “The thing with the Metropolitan Urban Limit is you’ve got to fix the infrastructure financing first because the rural urban boundary is a proxy for the line between land that has infrastructure and land that doesn’t.
    
    “I want to tackle those two things together and I want to build on the work done by the former Government with special purpose vehicles, but we need to take it a lot further. What we need is a pipeline of finance that is available for the infrastructure for new urban developments.
    
    “You can’t rely on the minister rocking up every six months and writing a cheque. That’s not a sustainable way to do it. You’ve got to be able to tap into debt finance. Make it available for developments that get the tick in terms of quality and reticulation, serviced by a targeted rate on the properties in a new development.”
    
    Twyford acknowledged that any system for infrastructure bonds issued by new authorities such as Municipal Utility Districts (MUDs), which are used in the United States to raise finance for suburban infrastructure, had to ensure that ratings agencies saw them as separate from Councils.
    
    “Critically you’ve got to solve the question of where that debt sits and on whose balance sheet,” he said.
    
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    November 1, 2017 12:26pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Robots are coming to a building site near you – MacroBusiness Australia
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/11/robots-coming-building-site-near/
      
      By Leith van Onselen
      
      For years the growth lobby has argued that Australia needs to run high levels of immigration in order to alleviate so-called skills shortages and to mitigate an ageing population, despite the Department of Employment showing that Australia’s skills shortage “remains low by historical standards” and Australia’s labour underutilisation rate tracking at high levels: … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      November 1, 2017 1:46pm
Goon

FFS…welcome to the dawn of a new era, the stipidothene.

Aparently the dude with two mums is considering a visa for those pacific peoples displaced by rising sea levels:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98429364/government-considering-experimental-climate-change-visa

While there may be a range of issues on various islands caused by anthropogenic activity, when you look at the data, sea level rise isn’t one of them

http://www.bom.gov.au/oceanography/projects/spslcmp/data/monthly.shtml

But I guess, when you’ve got an ideology who cares about pesky data, huh
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November 1, 2017 9:47am
- cmm
  
  I’d wager that none of the islands is actually being impacted by rising sea levels.
  
  If the se levels are apparently higher then I’ll bet it is more to do with what the islanders are doing themselves or just natural geological processes.
  
  For example, pumping too much fresh water out of wells causes the aquifer to “deflate” and hence causes the island to sink.
  
  Tectonic activity causes the uplift that created the islands – including NZ – but it can also cause subsidence too resulting in islands slowly sinking under the water without burning a single drop of oil.
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:10am
  - Ross12
    
    Yes cmm
    It is so terrible their “poster child” island group , the Maldives has built an additional airport and more tourist resorts/hotels in recent years.
    You’d think if they thought it was sinking they would ban such developments.
    
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    November 1, 2017 11:29am
    - cha
      
      The Maldives have abandoned the former regimes plans to buy land abroad and re-settle the population in favour of staying put and accelerating their island building and sea wall projects. To do so, they need money and the only resource they have is tourism, hence the updated facilities.
      
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      November 1, 2017 12:05pm
      - kowtow
        
        They’re huge money launderers.
        
        http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/09/maldives-launder-15-billion-160904112412661.html
        
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        November 1, 2017 2:47pm
- kowtow
  
  If the fucken Pacific is rising then how can we take refugees as we have a housing and poverty crisis and the same fucking Pacific that’s rising over those coral specs will fucken well rise over us .
  
  Fucking Greens.
  
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  November 1, 2017 2:50pm
JibberJabber

How is it that every fucking murderer in this country seems to have some gullible fuckwit at their beck and call to plead their case?
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November 1, 2017 9:48am
- cmm
  
  Because you and I pay for it:
  
  https://www.justice.govt.nz/courts/going-to-court/legal-aid/
  
  Do you really think that kiddy fiddler/murderer would be going to court to ask for his wig back if he had to pay the costs himself?
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:13am
- VicParking
  
  Its because the government here funds them, then their appeal, then their appeal. Then snowfakes fund there petition which mean another appeal with the government funds…on and on it goes.
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:17am
  - cmm
    
    “Its because the government here funds them”
    
    The government funds nothing. It’s just us mug taxpayers.
    
    If Robbo has his way, there will be bunch more debt so our kids and grandkids can pay too…
    
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    November 1, 2017 11:02am
Inandout

A New York state of Islam?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/31/nyregion/police-shooting-lower-manhattan.html

‘The police did not immediately call it a terrorist attack. But two law enforcement officials said that after the attacker got out of the truck, he was heard yelling, “Allahu Akbar.” (Arabic for “God is great.”)’

The Halloween Parade timing is spot on.
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November 1, 2017 10:15am
- Peter
  
  he was heard yelling, “Allahu Akbar.”
  
  What a mystery this is! Whatever could have been his motivation.?
  
  We shall never know.
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:36am
  - Longknives
    
    Yet another ‘Lone Wolf’ by all accounts…
    
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    November 1, 2017 12:47pm
- kowtow
  
  Nah he was shoutin’ in his best Neu Youik accent
  
  ” Ah Tried to park de car”
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:57am
  - cha
    
    From Uzbekistan or Kyrgyzstan and most likely granted asylum in the US
    
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    November 1, 2017 11:16am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Just terrible
      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNfsEszXkAATGGr?format=jpg&name=medium
      
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      November 1, 2017 11:24am
  - cha
    
    Prick came in through the front door.
    
    #UPDATE: Suspect in NYC #terror truck attack Sayfullo Saipov arrived in U.S. In 2010 from #Uzbekistan. Had green card pic.twitter.com/nWhrxlqKFY— Mary Murphy (@MurphyPIX) October 31, 2017
    
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    November 1, 2017 11:28am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Apparently he got a Green card because he won a Diversity Visa Lottery!
      I kid you not.
      
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      November 1, 2017 1:30pm
Jack5

☪ Whale talks about Sonny Bill Williams’s links to controversial imam Shenks, and one of Whale’s readers asks why those who attacked Tamaki over his statements about the Kaikoura earthquake are silent about Shenks.

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/01/sonny-bill-williams-praised-anti-gay-imam-ismael-menk/
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November 1, 2017 10:25am
- Scott
  
  I can answer that. It’s because in the pantheon of liberal victims the Muslims are seen as the most oppressed victims. Therefore any bad things they do are the result of oppression. And if they do really bad things then they must be really oppressed.
  
  Christians on the other hand are always bad because they are the least victimised group and generally on the side of the oppressors.
  
  This is also part of the plot to make all religions equal. To do that Christianity must be denigrated at all times and Islam must be praised at all times.
  
  To an objective observer however Christianity is way better than Islam. All religions are not equal. All cultures are not equal.
  
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  November 1, 2017 10:50am
  - treadingthemill
    
    To an objective observer however Christianity is way better than Islam.
    
    Parts of Christianity, some churches, are today better than Islam because they have moderated or changed their beliefs in reaction to the modern world, and/or they have been rendered powerless by the process of secularisation. If you were to go back a few hundred years however, then all the bad features of Middle Eastern monotheistic religion that Christianity shares with Islam would be there: the oppression of women, oppression of other religions, theocratic control over people and their lives, internecine religious tribal war, persecution and mass murder of heretics and apostates, crusades/holy war. One could argue that none of that was congruent with the actual teaching of Jesus himself, and that might be true. But it would matter little to the victims of the churches over the centuries.
    
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    November 1, 2017 11:08am
    - cmm
      
      It does not matter what happened a few hundred years ago. or even years ago, or last year for that matter.
      
      What is important is what is happening NOW and in the future.
      
      Or are you suggesting that Muslims are 500 years behind and need to be given a chance to commit all their atrocities.
      
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      November 1, 2017 11:58am
      - treadingthemill
        
        @ cmm
        
        It does not matter what happened a few hundred years ago. or even years ago, or last year for that matter.
        
        It does in relation to the claim that Christianity is objectively better than Islam. How both have acted historically is evidence relevant to that claim.
        
        Or are you suggesting that Muslims are 500 years behind and need to be given a chance to commit all their atrocities.
        
        I was not suggesting anything in relation to our current problems with Islam. I was only responding to the statement from Scott that I quoted. The issue of what is happening now is different to the one I was responding to.
        
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        November 1, 2017 12:16pm
      - cmm
        
        “It does in relation to the claim that Christianity is objectively better ”
        
        Christianity IS objectively better, because what matters is NOW. That’s what IS means.
        
        You might have a flimsy case if you said Christianity was not always objectively better.
        
        While Christianity was worse a while back, so was Islam.
        
        Just look at the Islamic slave trade for instance – way worse than the Christian slave trade.
        
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        November 1, 2017 1:50pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Christianity IS objectively better, because what matters is NOW. That’s what IS means.
        
        Parts of it are, other parts are little different in some respects.
        
        You might have a flimsy case if you said Christianity was not always objectively better.
        
        While Christianity was worse a while back, so was Islam.
        
        In terms of how they operated as hegemonic power structures they were little different. The case for that, as I showed in my original post, is not flimsy.
        
        Just look at the Islamic slave trade for instance – way worse than the Christian slave trade.
        
        I doubt that is true, and in any case it’s like arguing that one rapist is slightly better than another rapist.
        
        I am not defending Islam. I am pointing out that monotheistic Middle Eastern religions which make exclusive truth claims, and believe in bringing the whole world under their control, tend to be very similar. Those similarities are pretty obvious to an objective observer.
        
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        November 1, 2017 2:35pm
- realityczech
  
  ☠ Jackboot ☠, do you agree genocide is the answer for the Muslim Question ?
  
  Israeli rabbi calls for prayers for Iran’s destruction
  
  An influential Israeli rabbi has called for prayers for Iran’s destruction, a week after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu appeared to court his support for a possible attack on a nuclear program Israel sees as an existential threat.
  
  https://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/08/26/234337.html
  
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  November 1, 2017 5:25pm
  - Jack5
    
    In my belief system genocide is appropriate only for Keas infected by psittacosis (parrot fever). This is necessary because even their poop is infectious, and sometimes that comes out of their keyboards as well as their bums.
    
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    November 1, 2017 7:58pm
cha

True colours.

British politician Nigel Farage faced criticism Tuesday after making antisemitic statements, suggesting on-air this that the “Jewish lobby” has a disproportionate amount of power in the United States while discussing ongoing investigations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Speaking on his LBC show about investigations into Russian election meddling, Farage said there are “foreign lobbies” that are “very powerful” in the U.S. and have influenced American politics.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/358062-nigel-farage-says-the-jewish-lobby-has-disproportionate-power-in-the
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November 1, 2017 10:49am
- EAD_TWO
  
  But it’s different whem Clinton points the finger at the “Russian lobby”?
  
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  November 1, 2017 11:14am
- MCos
  
  There’s a number a points in this article.
  Farage himself is a foreigner who attempted to influence the American election.
  Being Jewish or Hindu in America doesn’t make a person a foreigner in the US as Farage seems to be suggesting. Nor does being a Jewish American necessarily make someone a fan of Israel; far from it in many cases.
  Israel certainly seems to have a big influence in American ME policy.
  Farage looks like he’s straining to stay relevant.
  
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  November 1, 2017 11:39am
cha

Sayfullo Saipov
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November 1, 2017 11:07am
kowtow

The Don needs to get another tweet out about Sweden, the international MSM are in ignore the Muslim immigrant gang crime mode.

“The Swedish government wants to better protect the country’s police officers, with Justice Minister Morgan Johansson outlining plans to crack down further on gang crime.
His statements come in the wake of several attacks on police stations and officers’ homes.”

https://www.thelocal.se/20171031/sweden-promises-better-protection-for-police-after-violent-attacks
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November 1, 2017 11:21am
- Longknives
  
  The Media will ignore it.
  Cops are ‘The Enemy’ to the Left and just like BLM threatening American Cop’s kids- It will go largely unreported…
  
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  November 1, 2017 12:46pm
- Digmen1
  
  Isn’t it great when your police need special protection!
  
  Time to close their mosques
  Send them all back.
  
  Long live Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, and Myanmar.
  
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  November 1, 2017 3:49pm
Rodney Randall

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2017/10/31/multiple-injuries-reported-in-incident-in-tribeca/

Looks and sounds like a snackbar
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November 1, 2017 11:28am
JasonJohns

WASHINGTON — Sam Clovis, the former top Trump campaign official who supervised a man now cooperating with the FBI’s Russia investigation, was questioned last week by special counsel Robert Mueller’s team and testified before the investigating grand jury, a person with first-hand knowledge of the matter told NBC News.

Clovis, who is President Donald Trump’s pick to be the Department of Agriculture’s chief scientist, could not be reached for comment. His lawyer, Victoria Toensing, would neither confirm nor deny his interactions with the Mueller team.

“I’m not going to get into that,” she said in an interview.

Clovis, spotted by reporters in the Hart Senate Office Building, declined to answer questions.

George Papadopoulos was arrested in July and began cooperating with agents, records show — disclosing his interactions with a professor and other Russians whom the FBI suggested in court documents may have been working for Russian intelligence agencies. He pleaded guilty to making false statements on Oct. 5.
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November 1, 2017 12:03pm
JasonJohns

Mueller is making a grab for power with a coup d’etet.
Trump may well choose to fire and arrest him/
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November 1, 2017 12:04pm
JasonJohns

The difference between Hillary and Trump is, Hillary wouldn’t fire, try, and jail Mueller legally, she’d make it look like a suicide.
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November 1, 2017 12:34pm
realityczech

One of our resident defenders of genocide writes …

“”illegal boat people should also have to meet occupational requirements, as law-abiding immigrants do.”

Jewish refugees turned up in a boat. People like him sent them back to die.

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005267
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November 1, 2017 12:43pm
- Jack5
  
  Good afternoon ☪ Kea/realityczech ☪ – you really are a box of birds today.
  
  Running a handful of pseudonyms at once.
  
  Old Prince Philip liked to driver teams of four horses. Our ☪ Kea/realityczech ☪ runs a team of pseudonyms.
  
  Klever, klever parrot!
  
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  November 1, 2017 1:39pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    I want to shut RC down Jack. But in honesty I can’t.
    
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    November 1, 2017 1:40pm
    - Jack5
      
      ☪Kea☪ is like the woman in the Three Faces of Eve. Three personalities in one body.
      
      Or perhaps more like a crazy puppeteer who believes his/her pseudonyms have come to life as separate posters.
      
      It’s an internet version of the royal “we” – the way kings and queens used to refer to themselves in the first person plural.
      
      There is only one ☪Kea.☪
      
      Thank bloody goodness.
      
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      November 1, 2017 1:50pm
      - Jack5
        
        And Kea has got into the ticks locker.
        
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        November 1, 2017 1:58pm
      - JasonJohns
        
        I know RC needs help Jack. But I don’t where to get it for him. He is…real
        
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        November 1, 2017 2:16pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kia/JJ:There’s a vet. in Christchurch who is very good with parrots.
        
        He will flip when you tell him about yourself.
        
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        November 1, 2017 2:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You do Jack5 a great disservice.
  
  As far as I know he is not and was not an US citizen.
  
  Look closer to home and you will discover it was the Left Government under Fraser, then Nash who shamefully refused to accept more Jewish refugees before and after WW2.
  http://www.holocaustcentre.org.nz/remember/refuge-in-nz/government-response
  
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  November 1, 2017 4:06pm
Swifty

A real threat to freedom of speech in NZ, I would have thought – and coming from an MP:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98431944/labour-mp-louisa-wall-takes-fairfax-to-high-court-over-offensive-cartoons
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November 1, 2017 1:26pm
JasonJohns

On “The 700 Club” this morning, televangelist Pat Robertson reacted to the news that former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had been indicted by special counsel Robert Mueller as part of his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election by calling on President Trump to issue a blanket pardon of everyone who might be implicated in the probe and to then shut down the investigation entirely.
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November 1, 2017 1:34pm
JasonJohns

this trump indictment business reminds me i have to keep my nose clean. i have been advising trump in an official but unpaid capacity for some time via a variety of handy social media functions. don’t want to stuff up and get the donald in trouble like manafort has done. have had some run-ins with the coppers in ngaruawahia before over issues of principles, like the lawless dogs round here and the right of citizens to use the delta tavern toilets, but…going to be careful now…
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November 1, 2017 1:35pm
- Nostradamus
  
  JasonJohns:
  
  i have been advising trump in an official but unpaid capacity for some time via a variety of handy social media functions
  
  Well, taking you at your word, I’m sure President Trump would appreciate the opportunity to join (by teleconference) one of the cabinet meetings that your so-called alternative government has at the Delta on Friday nights!
  
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  November 1, 2017 4:39pm
JasonJohns

as this article shows trump needs to act FAST…going to get back in touch with him right after my pie…

Special counsel Robert Mueller put himself in a protected position on Monday morning when he publicly revealed the first charges in his controversial and wide-ranging investigation into Russia’s involvement in the presidential election.

President Trump has long fumed that the investigation is a “witch hunt” engineered by his political enemies, sparking speculation that he will try to fire the special counsel.

But now that Mueller has produced a guilty plea — from a member of Trump’s campaign — dismissing the former FBI director would almost certainly ignite an untenable political inferno.
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November 1, 2017 1:39pm
Manolo

The face of a Muslim terrorist:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/31/suspect-in-new-york-terrorist-attack-sayfullo-habibullaevic-saipov.html

An Uzbek national who entered the U.S. in 2010, Saipov is believed to be the man who killed eight people and injured more than 12 in lower Manhattan on Tuesday.
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November 1, 2017 1:51pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  They got him alive.
  Now the authorities can take him apart, piece by piece, to see who wrote his code, who assembled him and what makes him tick.
  
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  November 1, 2017 2:29pm
  - kowtow
    
    The “authorities” want more of them to come in.
    
    “New York Attorney General Eric T. Schneiderman filed a motion for temporary restraining order (TRO) against implementation of President Donald Trump’s third travel ban and amended the original lawsuit to include legal challenges to the latest ban, along with fellow Attorneys General from Washington, California, Maryland, Massachusetts, and Oregon. The challenge was filed in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Washington.”
    
    https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/ag-schneiderman-challenges-president-trumps-third-travel-ban
    
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    November 1, 2017 4:37pm
starboard

Another murdering brown special thug.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11938657
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November 1, 2017 2:06pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Another candidate for the 3S laws.
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:19pm
Stars And Stripes

Good on the TAB for getting in behind the epic struggle against child poverty.
This month only they are giving a bonus $20 bet to any punter who prove their child is malnourished or alternatively has a preventable childhood disease.
A combination of both will get a bonus $50 bet.
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November 1, 2017 2:30pm
- Flash
  
  You’re joking, right?
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:29pm
Captain Mainwaring

‘Skid’ Mark is making the rules as he goes. Not a good start, and yet another crack in the coalition of the damned.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98435480/ron-mark-goes-offscript-to-promise-more-money-to-rsa

Can’t wait to see his response when they start reallocating the $20 billion set aside by the Nats for Defence force re-equipment.
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November 1, 2017 2:54pm
Stars And Stripes

Ugly scenes in Auckland as Tongan and Samoan league fans clash
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/11/ugly-scenes-in-auckland-as-tongan-and-samoan-league-fans-clash.html
“Police have called for calm after mobs rugby league fans were fighting in the streets ahead of Tongan and Samoan match this weekend”.

Diversity enriching New Zealand again in South Auckland.
I am sure however that this incident and the previous one at Pak n Save could have been prevented if bananas were made more affordable
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November 1, 2017 3:22pm
- Kimbo
  
  Yeah, but if we got rid of the social problem that is….rugby league, we would address most of the problem, irrespective of any ethnic factors! 😉
  
  Welcome back, btw, S and S – haven’t heard from you in a while. Any of your “Postcards” to be coming our way soon?
  
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  November 1, 2017 4:10pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Have been out of the action for a while as the election kind of dominated all the news and I found it all a bit of a yawn but normality is slowly returning so I thought it must be time for some more bigotry and prejudice to spice things up.
    As for the postcards, well might file some more if I do another road trip. Watch this space.
    
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    November 1, 2017 4:40pm
- itstricky
  
  perhaps you should move to The UK, see some real sports hooligans in action. Then you might stop muttering about diversity.
  
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  November 1, 2017 5:47pm
Digmen1

Our PI cousins are such productive people.
They contribute greatly to just about every negative stat in NZ.
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November 1, 2017 3:46pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I once asked an elderly New Zealander why this country took on so many Pacific Islanders without much regard to how they would interact with each other or whether or not they would make an effort to integrate into society.
  He told me that New Zealand had a “duty” to look after the people of the Pacific (as if they were somehow unable to look after themselves).
  
  Maybe if NZ hadn’t, then the Soviets and the Chinese would have (back in the 1960s).
  
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  November 1, 2017 3:53pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Yes it seems every Western country has the “duty” to look after the backward shitholes in the world and the dishevelled primitive inhabitants they contain.
    
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    November 1, 2017 4:06pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      According to Cindy on CNN, NZ is a shit hole.
      
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      November 1, 2017 8:25pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    That sounds awfully colonialist and condescending to me.
    
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    November 1, 2017 4:32pm
Digmen1

And on an interview Jacinda said we have a duty to help climate change refugees!

Who said we have a duty!
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November 1, 2017 4:21pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  She did, and that’s all that counts.
  Ms. J. Fix-Everything strikes again.
  
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  November 1, 2017 4:43pm
- SPC
  
  Some responsibility for Niue and Tokelau, maybe the Cooks as well. Not sure about Western Samoa.
  
  There is a general (shared) responsibility for refugees, whether as a consequence of climate change, or not.
  
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  November 1, 2017 4:55pm
  - realityczech
    
    “There is a general (shared) responsibility for refugees”
    
    Bullshit.
    
    We owe them nothing. They are all suffering the consequences of their own actions and should be left to rot.
    
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    November 1, 2017 6:53pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  She did. Please pay attention to your Leader
  
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  November 1, 2017 5:28pm
- KevOB
  
  There are no climate change refugees.
  The people of Kiribati are suffering from massive overpopulation which is causing the coral surface to sink into the fresh water lens. The island is also only 2-3 metres above sea level so tides spoil the crops.
  The lagoon as toilet is severely polluted.
  Resettlement is needed but not because of climate.
  
  I declined a job offer there in the distant past.
  
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  November 1, 2017 6:50pm
SPC

The never won a World Series trio – Indians, Rangers and Astros are still alive as Dodgers beat Astros 3-1 in game 6.

However still a brilliant pick in Sports Illustrated back in 2014 that the Astros would win in 2017. Maybe might even happen.
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November 1, 2017 4:49pm
Nostradamus

Another prisoner decides to exercise his “rights” in the courts:

Rapist, murderer Liam Reid files injunction against Kiwi TV production company

Convicted rapist and murderer Liam Reid has taken High Court action against a television production company.

The Herald can reveal he has applied for an injunction against South Pacific Pictures in the High Court at Auckland.

Reid is serving a life sentence with a 23-year minimum non parole period for raping and killing deaf woman Emma Agnew in Christchurch in 2007. He was also convicted of the rape, attempted murder and robbery of a 21-year-old student in Dunedin nine days later.

The injuction was first called in the High Court at Auckland this morning and a date was set for a hearing later this month. Court documents reveal Reid is representing himself in the case. It is unclear what his injunction relates to.

These prisoners (Arthur Taylor, Philip Smith and Liam Reid) seem to have too much time on their hands. Other countries like North Korea have introduced hard labour to make sure prisoners are never bored. Surely we have a quarry or two with heavy rocks that need to be broken and cleared away?
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November 1, 2017 5:00pm
- Digmen1
  
  Really, all it would take is a law that when you are in jail for breaking the law, you have no right to take press any cases.
  Unless they are directly related to any wrongful conviction.
  
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  November 1, 2017 6:25pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Does sad little Liam object to Nigel Latter’s TV programme about his sense of entitlement and deadly abuse of women. ?
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:32pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  What is the bet that Liam Reid has his wife as McKenzie friend in court with him while he is representing himself.
  Nothing like quality marital time.
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:14pm
Brito

Another truth soon to be silenced by the just courts of NZ.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98431944/labour-mp-louisa-wall-takes-fairfax-to-high-court-over-offensive-cartoons
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November 1, 2017 5:11pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From Brito’s linked article:
  
  The judge said the case was one of the most interesting he had considered during his three years as a judge at the court.
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  However Justice Muir expressed discomfort with hearing the case alone, given the importance of what was at stake – he said he felt it would be better heard by a panel including two additional lay members of the court, rather than a single judge. …Justice Muir said he personally believed the “tasteless cartoons” could cause hostility or contempt, “however my views may not be representative. And it is in that context I consider the assistance of lay members on that issue may be useful.”
  
  I wonder who the 2 “lay members” will be given that the judge has indicated that their views will be influential. Perhaps 2 neutral and impartial people like, say, Tame Iti and Lizzie Marvelly?
  
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  November 1, 2017 5:28pm
  - Brito
    
    That’s an awful thing to say.
    
    Paddy Gower and Guyon Aspiner more likely.
    
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    November 1, 2017 7:41pm
- KevOB
  
  Who is paying for this appeal?
  
  Is this a politician as activist?
  
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  November 1, 2017 6:41pm
JasonJohns

why won’t trump sack and imprison this guy?

More hardball from Mueller team: in new docs, they call Manafort a flight risk w history of deception, 3 passports & an alias used 4 travel
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November 1, 2017 5:24pm
Viking2

A NEW RISING TIDE?
Here is something I wasn’t expecting: more than half the babies born in China in the first eight months of 2017 were second children. Some 52% of the 11.6 mln babies born between January and August have an older sibling, according to official figures. That compares to about 45% in 2016, when 18.5 mln babies were born in hospital, the highest since 2000, according to the data.

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90658/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-wednesday-sbs-bank-trims-rate-jobless-rate-falls

More baby stuff please.
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November 1, 2017 5:58pm
- Digmen1
  
  More global warming.
  More milk sales for us
  
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  November 1, 2017 6:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Just been an excellent analysis of the Diversity Visa article by Breitbart on BBC News Briefing

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/31/report-nyc-foreign-terror-suspect-entered-u-s-with-diversity-visa-trump-wants-to-end/
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November 1, 2017 6:55pm
- nasska
  
  You’re just the expert I need Maggy. Labour in their election promises backed the “Apiti” option to create a new route bypassing the doomed Manawatu Gorge. Since the Greens will doubtlessly use the opportunity to grandstand about rail I reckon Labour will go for this being the cheapest replacement road on offer.
  
  Trouble is, I’m certain that geological studies have shown that the ground on both near sides of the gorge is extremely unstable & “fractured”. Another $100 million would allow a route through more stable terrain about 5km south of Woodville.
  
  Do you know of any geological studies that would bear out my theory?
  
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  November 1, 2017 7:16pm
  - realityczech
    
    We could have paved the bloody road in gold with Nationals 11 billion dollar election bribe.
    
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    November 1, 2017 7:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    This might be what you are looking for:
    Hancox et al 2012: Engineering geological assessment of the risk and potential magnitude of future landslides that might close SH 3 within the Manawatu Gorge – GNS science.
    
    It’s Appendix B in this report
    https://www.nzta.govt.nz/assets/Uploads/PSW-198-SH3-Manawatu-Gorge-Alternative-Route-report-2012-11.pdf
    
    This report might be some value too….. should be in your local library (hahahahaha)
    Smale, D.; Houghton, B.F.; McKellar, I.C.; Mansergh, G.D.; Moore, P.R.; Grant-Taylor, T.G.; Te Punga, M.T.; Speden, I.G. 1978 Geology and erosion in the Ruahine Range. Lower Hutt: New Zealand Geological Survey. New Zealand Geological Survey report G 20. 120 p.
    http://shop.gns.cri.nz/g_20-pdf/
    
    Mike Marden’s PhD thesis might be worth a look
    (not sure if you can download it all….. or take a trip down to Massey)
    Geology & erosion – Southern Ruahines
    https://mro.massey.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10179/2856/01_front.pdf
    
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    November 1, 2017 7:52pm
    - realityczech
      
      “It’s Appendix B in this report”
      
      I spotted the problem in a photo – Appendix B. There is a bloody great wind farm above the gorge. The low frequency vibrations from the wind farm are causing the slips.
      
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      November 1, 2017 8:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Na, it’s the EM radiation from the Wharite transmitter that’s zapping the atoms in the rocks in the gorge.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfUzctnDWtc
        
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        November 1, 2017 8:33pm
    - nasska
      
      Thanks Maggy. I’ll do some reading.
      
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      November 1, 2017 8:15pm
Kimbo

And the Dodgers win game 6 against the Astros….so we are going to a deciding last game in the World Series.
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November 1, 2017 7:05pm
- tom hunter
  
  Thought you might enjoy this article, which is about a show called MLB on Fox, that uses retired baseball greats like Ortiz, Alex Rodriguez and so forth. Most of it is fluff around the personalities and the show, but there’s some interesting video clips embedded, since it’s not just about them sitting in chairs doing analysis like the usual sportshow.
  
  They have a full-size mockup of home-plate, where these guys can walk and talk the viewers through what can be expected in an upcoming game in the pitcher-batter contest. Interesting stuff for you I would think.
  
  Wonder if there has ever been a cricket – or for that matter, rugby – show where this has been done?
  
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  November 1, 2017 7:55pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Cheers. Saw your earlier post today about your family in NY. My step daughter is going for Xmas/New Year, but last time she went she stayed upstate and her hosts didn’t take her to the Big Apple. Were telling her it is too dangerous, but as it may be a once in a lifetime chance, my advice was go and see the sights – Time Square, Central Park, the Chrysler Building, Citi Field(!)…but now I’m not so sure. Mind you, statistically more chance of her plane crashing.
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:04pm
    - tom hunter
      
      Yeah – well the first joke is that they missed the news while on the train, until I called. The second is that daughter was there only a few weeks ago, so some of this was repeat stuff for her. She probably enjoyed being the one to show her mother around, since she’d never ventured to the Big Apple in her life.
      
      Same for me. During my decade in the US we explored a lot of it – but never got to the North-Eastern states. Oh well. Bucket list stuff.
      
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      November 1, 2017 8:23pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Let me know when you are going as I have some stuff on my bucket list that we can maybe double up on – like, say going to Boston and Fenway Park. And if we do, I’ll make sure I say in a big loud voice, repeatedly, as we peer out over field, eating out hot dogs, and drinking our beer and admiring the view of the Green Monster, and pondering on the feats of Ted Williams, and Yaz and why they ever sold Babe Ruth
        
        “Hey, Tom, didn’t you once write of the Yankees, ‘I just said I respected them and did not hate them’?” 😉
        
        (Kiwiblog, General Debate, October 14, 2017 2:25pm)
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/10/general_debate_14_october_2017.html
        
        As per Chris Rock – “I once wore a Yankees cap to Fenway Park, and I have never experienced such a level of hate and hostility in my life…and I’m black!” 😉
        
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        November 1, 2017 8:39pm
realityczech

I see Google is staying true to its word and editing and manipulating search results. Try searching for Hillary’s uranium deals and you get pages of articles defending her or debunking the claim. The total opposite of the search directions.

They are openly doing this with anything they claim is “fake news” eg makes Hillary look bad.

Even the debunking spin is unconvincing. She was a major share holder in the company and received a massive donation after it was sold the the Russians.
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November 1, 2017 7:27pm
realityczech

Imagine the fake outrage if a Muslim or Christian said this about Jews !
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Catholic World News
Rabbi calls for expulsion of Christians from Israel

“The Christian is no longer considered a threatening vampire, rather a pleasant, friendly tourist and partner in the Western culture that dominates our lives,” he wrote. “The vampires can send a message of thanks to the government of Israel for making their work much easier.”

“Christmas has no place in the Holy Land,” he added. “Missionary work must not be given a foothold. Let’s throw the vampires out of our land before they drink our blood again.”

https://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=27023
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November 1, 2017 7:51pm
EAD_TWO

Don’t worry Goys – the Jews will not allow so called “globalisation” to stop (well in Christian lands at least. Israel on the other handvdoes not permit any immigration if you’re not racially pure)

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-1.768437

Jews Across America Are Rising Up Against Trump’s Refugee Ban

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/uk-rabbis-donald-trump-muslim-ban-letter-protest-a7556526.html

UK rabbis protest Donald Trump’s travel ban in open letter: ‘We stand beside our Muslim cousins’
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November 1, 2017 8:00pm
- realityczech
  
  Where you get these silly ideas EAD ? 🙂
  
  ‘Islamization of Europe a good thing’
  
  Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should ‘rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.’ He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God
  
  “With the help of God, the gentiles there will adopt a healthier life with a lot of modesty and integrity, and not like the hypocritical Christianity which appears pure but is fundamentally corrupt,” he explained.
  
  Efrati wrote in response that the Islamization of Europe was better than a Christian Europe for ethical and theological reasons – as a punishment against Christians for persecuting the Jews and the fact that Christianity, as opposed to Islam, is considered “idolatry” from a halachic point of view.
  
  “Jews should rejoice at the fact that Christian Europe is losing its identity as a punishment for what it did to us for the hundreds of years were in exile there,” the rabbi explained as the ethical reason for favoring Muslims, quoting shocking descriptions from the Rishonim literature (written by leading rabbis who lived during the 11th to 15th centuries) about pogroms and mass murders committed by Christians against Jews.
  
  https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4299673,00.html
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:05pm
  - EAD_TWO
    
    Despite it being 2017 and we’re living in NZ, I’m sure we’ll still be labelled as “Naaaaaaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzziiiiiiiiissss” (the most evil people ever in the world) for presenting referenced facts against the Chosen People (chosen by whom, why and for what I’m not sure).
    
    I’m sure Jackie will be along soon to tell us it is only “left wing Jews” who support mass immigration into the Goyim nations such is brainwashed mind:
    
    http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/223242/jewish-groups-across-the-spectrum-unite-in-condemnation-of-trumps-refugee-ban
    
    Jewish Groups Across the Spectrum Unite in Condemnation of Trump’s Refugee Ban
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:16pm
    - realityczech
      
      We are nazis for demanding equal treatment and for not condoning persecution of religious groups.
      
      Welcome to the alternative reality of KB 🙂
      
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      November 1, 2017 8:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        ☪
        Bullshit, you are Nazis any way, Kea/realityczech.
        
        Here’s a song for you:
        
        https://youtu.be/HgF5FDsQW7k
        
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        November 1, 2017 8:40pm
      - Jack5
        
        ☪ Kea/realityczech – why do you need so many pseudonyms when you have EAD as your wing man?
        
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        November 1, 2017 8:48pm
    - realityczech
      
      Jackboot do you agree with Rabbis calling for extermination of Muslims, deportation of Christians and the Islamization of Europe ?
      
      How do you justify your disgusting and repugnant views ?
      
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      November 1, 2017 9:00pm
      - Jack5
        
        ☪ Kea/realityczech, how do you justify your strange obsession to outsmart the Kiwiblog hierarchy by operating a swarm of pseudonyms on the blog from which you are banned?
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:15pm
realityczech

Senior Israeli Rabbi Calls for the Mass Execution of Palestinians

Senior Israeli Rabbi Shmuel Eliyahu believes the Israeli army should stop arresting Palestinians and execute them instead.

“It must execute them and leave no one alive,” Eliyahu wrote in a Facebook post Tuesday, according to Defend Democracy Press.

https://www.alternet.org/world/senior-israeli-rabbi-calls-mass-execution-palestinians
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November 1, 2017 8:29pm
- Fletch
  
  Meanwhile –
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/10/31/hamas-leaders-reaffirm-goal-destroying-israel-following-unity-deal/
  
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  November 1, 2017 9:53pm
  - realityczech
    
    Its called self defense. What you just did is equivalent to blaming the Polish Jews for their fate because they resisted Nazi invasion.
    
    You need to check your moral compass and start by clearing the religious bullshit out of your head.
    
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    November 1, 2017 10:49pm
Jack5

????!
Achtung EAD Two and Kea/Realityzcech!

Your absence from tonight’s rally has been noted.

You missed adding your names to the message of commemoration to ISIL on the arrest of their Uzbek agent in New York.

Vot is going on vit you two?

The Gauleiter ?
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November 1, 2017 8:35pm
- EAD_TWO
  
  I’m guessing Jackie that you’re the kind of guy whose response to the terror attack in New York is to bomb more of Israels enemies, kill more innocents and then wonder why these men are radicalised to commit these attacks?
  
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  November 1, 2017 8:46pm
  - Jack5
    
    ☪
    No I think we should just lock up the terrorists and let them sue us for the next 30 years to break their boredom.
    
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/873880/Lee-Rigby-court-terror-London-Michael-Adebolajo-Islam-Michael-Adebowale-Old-Bailey
    
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    November 1, 2017 8:52pm
    - realityczech
      
      Jackboot represents the lunatic fringe of the zionist movement. Most Jews would find his views repugnant and would seek to distance themselves from his demented hatred an obsession with persecuting and murdering Muslims.
      
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      November 1, 2017 9:06pm
    - EAD_TWO
      
      For what reason and for whose benefit have goyim lands been flooded with this flotsam?
      
      PS – I can do emojis as well
      ?✡???
      
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      November 1, 2017 9:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        But where is your swastika emoji?
        
        Surely, if Kea is smart enough to juggle three or more pseudonyms he/she could create a swastika emoji for you?
        
        Are you two going to go AWOL from any more rallies so you can devote yourselves full time to Kiwiblog?
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:08pm
      - realityczech
        
        卐 Jackboot 卐 you have not answered my questions about your support for persecution and genocide.
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:16pm
      - Jack5
        
        There, EAD, I thought that your wing man, Kea/realityczech, could lend you a couple of his swastikas.
        
        Actually he’s more like Snoopy in the imaginary Sopwith Camel than the Red Baron.
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:18pm
      - realityczech
        
        卐 Jackboot 卐 can you give us a few bullet points outlining your final solution 卐 to the Muslim question and how to get those dirty goy out of Israel? 卐
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        Achtung ☪ Kea/realitycezch!
        
        You lend Hermann EAD that 卐 swastika symbol and I’ll lend him this one 卍 .
        
        He can put one on each arm. That will impress them at the next rally.
        
        How is your genealogy research going? Do you think you really are descended from Cyrus the Great on your Middle Eastern side?
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:27pm
      - realityczech
        
        Its actually not a “nazi” symbol but I would not expect an ignorant zionist troll bigot to know that. In your world there is just the Chosen Ones and the filthy mud races there to serve them.
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:29pm
      - Jack5
        
        Oh, ☪ Kea/realitycezch.
        
        So the genealogy research has been a bit disappointing.
        
        You come from a long line of camel drivers rather than from Kings.
        
        You accuse me of being a troll. I dare not accept that title when I am in conversation with a truly great troll, one who posts like a chariot driver of Ancient Rome, controlling a whole team of pseudonyms. It’s an honour to have you address me, oh Great Troll.
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:32pm
      - realityczech
        
        What is it with zionists and conspiracy theories, supported by a foundation of lies ?
        
        Have you considered how to carry out your final solution to the Muslim question Unterscharführer ?
        
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        November 1, 2017 10:43pm
Jack5

‘ullo, ‘ullo.

☪Kea/realityczech displays the same quirk in his/her posts that one of the Stephiestani team showed: a space between the last letter and a question mark.

Was “Stephie” another of your pseudonyms?

No, just not possible for one bird brain to handle THAT many pseudonyms.

Any way, it’s about time someone threw a blanket over your cage, Kea.

I’ll give you another hammering tomorrow.
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November 1, 2017 10:48pm
- realityczech
  
  Sleep well and watch out for Moooosleeem bogey men. You can deal with them during the genocide you and your Rabbi are planning.
  
  Have you guys set a date yet or is it a surprise genocide ?
  
  https://www.alternet.org/world/senior-israeli-rabbi-calls-mass-execution-palestinians
  
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