General Debate 18 November 2017

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holysheet

Poverdy, poverdy, wherefore art thou poverdy? We are bereft of poverty stories since the election.
What can we do to fix this poverdy.?
Can we call it “Progressive poverdy”,?
Cindy sprinkles her fairy dust around and it has gone?

There must be no poverdy anymore if this clusterfuck of a govt can afford to give $3 million of taxpayers cash and make room for 150 families in one foul swoop. No more homelessness, no more hungry kids, this govt has in 3 weeks fixed the problems that they were accusing the Nats of ignoring for the past 9 years.
Aren’t we lucky to have such a caring and efficient team in charge. Jacinda, Robbo, and the drunken dwarf are our saviours. I take back all the hurtful and unkind things I have said about them all.
Call me a “Progressive” old white guy and all will be good with our world // ??

Lets do this.
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November 18, 2017 8:00am
- kevn
  
  If Judith Collins had been ‘allowed’ to partake in the pre-election debates, I’m certain she would have wiped robertson away and backed Steven Joyce nicely. A clear Nats win was what was needed, none of this loser-winnie-coalition bullsh*t. Collins could have been the catalyst. Look at her in the house now. Unstoppable.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:23am
  - simo
    
    All I hear on both WO and KB is 1.2 million pissed CR voters who are using their keyboards to vent their frustration at the incompetence of the current 3 headed hydra. What are you going to do about it? Buy another keyboard when you wear the other one out? Block your ears and hope it goes away. Could be time for a bit more visual ANTIFA like tactics – it may come down to that. We are on the same slope that commenced the slow slide downhill of Venezuela….No its not a figment of your imagination. There are too many red flashing beacons around this #NotMyPM that she is going to wreck the place.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:17am
    - Right of way is Way of Right
      
      Fortunately we have a strong and capable opposition that may well mitigate some of the worst effects of the hydra! Meanwhile, the three of them can’t even seem to agree on the colour of the letterhead! Lord only knows how they will manage an actual decision!
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11945140
      
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      November 18, 2017 10:47am
    - PhilBest
      
      But how many people hold out hopes that National will change anything when their time comes again? Restore 3 strikes? Restart Charter Schools and do them properly at full scale this time? Repeal the water tax? Restore mining on Conservation Dept land? Restore the “100 days” employment agreement provisions?
      
      Hello?
      
      WFF? Emissions Trading? The Treaty Industry? Logging on the West Coast? Open-cast mining?
      The Air Force? Urban train sets? Council Planners wrecking the macro-economy?
      
      Welcome to the “ratchet effect”, when you don’t have any principled counter-program to the progressive Left.
      
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      November 18, 2017 4:07pm
  - gorse
    
    The reality is that she is a very unpopular person, and if she ends up being the leader it will religate National to the opposition benches for as long as she is leader
    
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    November 18, 2017 4:54pm
- rangitoto
  
  fell swoop
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:26am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep. And “wherefore” does not mean “where is it (poverty)?” It means “why?”
    
    Juliet was asking why Romeo was named “Romeo (Montague)”, the enemies of her family, the Capulets.
    
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    November 18, 2017 1:09pm
PhilBest

Our Lorde continues to impress with her music-career milestones, but are there any other old music enthusiasts out there who think there is “the next Joni Mitchell” inside her trying to break out of the shackes of mainstream pop?

In fact I wish she could get out of the unhelpful company she is keeping, like that of Taylor Swift, and become Joni’s late-life protege while she is still with us.
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November 18, 2017 8:03am
- Longknives
  
  You’re joking right? Comparing Lordy to Joni Mitchell??
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:06am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I laughed.
    
    Well, not so much laughed as an unbelieving snort, be thinking ‘ur Lizzie has talent in anything next.
    
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    November 18, 2017 8:09am
    - PhilBest
      
      Lizzie?
      
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      November 18, 2017 8:17am
      - VicParking
        
        Mar-va-less Elizabeth Marvelly. NZ’s answer to god save the queen.
        
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        November 18, 2017 10:42am
  - PhilBest
    
    No, not “comparing” – not yet. Just suggesting that there is another persona inside that has had no chance of emerging since she landed at a young age, in the clutches of the “mainstream pop” machine.
    
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    November 18, 2017 8:14am
    - holysheet
      
      How can you associate lordymisskalordie with this
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCnf46boC3I
      
      Now this is music
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UVjjcOUJLE
      
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      November 18, 2017 8:51am
      - PhilBest
        
        I seem to have been misunderstood. I am 100% dismissive of contemporary teen-pop trash, and love good music same as you do. I am just suggesting that the contemporary commercial music machine may strangle potential on the rare occasion that it takes up someone who actually has it, and I am kindly suggesting that Lorde might just have potential that is being strangled.
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:01am
      - PhilBest
        
        One of my favourites: Joni Mitchell is one of the few artists to tackle this:
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iisYw0epV_Q
        
        Annie Ross, who did it first in 1960, is one of my favourite singers of all time.
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhjOpm-KL-A
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:05am
      - holysheet
        
        Lorde might just have potential that is being strangled.
        
        It must be buried so deep that it will never see the light of day in her lifetime.
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:10am
      - holysheet
        
        Now this is music.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jxsnIRpy2E
        Eric Clapton is the best.
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:17am
      - PhilBest
        
        Even Clapton is an admirable, humble, realist who acknowledges his own debt to those who went before him, and that there is some things he can’t do on guitar, that they could. This is the case with most of the creators of enduring yet still-commercial music. They learn from, and absorb influences, from the geniuses of “non-commercial” music. For example, Billy Joel idolises Dave Brubeck. Clapton idolises Django Reinhardt. And so on.
        
        And in some cases, like Joni Mitchell doing Annie Ross’s “Twisted”, and Stevie Wonder doing Miles Davis numbers (on harmonica instead of trumpet), they dare to expose their own audiences to the well of genius from which they have drawn inspiration.
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:48am
      - MCos
        
        “I am 100% dismissive of contemporary teen-pop trash,”
        I don’t listen to music that was never meant for my ears.
        Fifty years ago I thought contemporary pop music was the bees knees. The grey generation, as always, never understood the appeal and called it trash.
        Lorde is twenty one and here she is being dissected by a bunch of grumpy old buggers. She won’t be crying in her pillow.
        
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        November 18, 2017 11:44am
      - SGA
        
        @MCos
        I know, it’s all a little sad really. My mother talks of her mother complaining about Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra, she herself never warmed to Led Zep or Pink Floyd, and my youngest insists on trying to get me to appreciate hip hop.
        plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose
        
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        November 18, 2017 12:21pm
    - mainlander
      
      Phil, if you’re looking for a potential kiwi Joni, check out Aldous Harding’s new album, Party. By far, my album of the year.
      
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      November 18, 2017 10:21am
      - PhilBest
        
        Thanks, will do.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:11pm
  - softail 1450
    
    longknives,be fair they are both female…..
    
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    November 18, 2017 8:18am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      One is dead and the other . . .
      
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      November 18, 2017 8:23am
      - PhilBest
        
        I hadn’t seen obituaries for Joni, tell us more?
        
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        November 18, 2017 8:25am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        My error, Lorde dresses like a goth, can sound like a woeful lament at best and so it can be difficult to tell when I haven’t been to Specsavers
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:11am
      - PhilBest
        
        I am really laughing out loud now, thanks Paulus! Love it!
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:51am
    - PhilBest
      
      I am really pleased to see a consensus of admiration for Joni Mitchell, KB doesn’t focus on music much. I picked Joni as a model, for a reason, I share that admiration. I was being kind to Lorde, I wasn’t expecting her to be dissed out of hand.
      
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      November 18, 2017 8:31am
  - PhilBest
    
    I hate the “mainstream pop” machine with a passion. Generally the kids it takes up, don’t have the real musical talent that will result in enduring music, but there is a tragic possibility that they sometimes get, and destroy, real potential.
    
    All the creators of enduring pop music, started their careers at the bottom, playing local gigs, and worked their way up. There should be a law against ignorant kids being turned into overnight idols by a commercial machine, it always destroys them as human beings.
    
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    November 18, 2017 8:23am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Phil, did you miss out on being included in a boy band? ?
      
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      November 18, 2017 8:47am
      - PhilBest
        
        I am being misunderstood here. I have always despised boy bands. If I am bitter about anything, it is all the talented musos in all genres at the local level all over the world, struggling through life, while a few no-talents are turned by a commercial machine, into uber-rich celebrity trash.
        
        By the way my current listening explorations, are of the wide variety of the late Clare Fischer’s work.
        
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        November 18, 2017 8:56am
      - waikatogirl
        
        “I have always despised boy bands.”
        
        Phil, I got that, hence the reference to you missing out on not being invited to join a marketed music venture. It was a joke mate! ?
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:00am
      - PhilBest
        
        Thanks Waikatogirl, I enjoy the joke, sorry I wasn’t sure, because I have been misunderstood by several commenters above re admiration of good music like Joni Mitchell’s.
        
        Paulus Gnome above might be making a joke too, it’s Lorde who is dead, huh? I didn’t realise KB was so sophisticated on the subject of music!
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:09am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Perhaps not but do recognise a good piss take in the offering
        
        Phil, enjoy the music you do and bugger the naysayers; if you really want to cringe, I was at the Tuesday pub quiz and someone fessed up to liking the Bay City Rollers!
        
        Not a bad outcome as she knew the lyrics which scored the team a point; i think I would have stayed quiet and let the point go rather than admit to liking the BCR’s!
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:17am
  - Fletch
    
    You’re joking right? Comparing Lordy to Joni Mitchell??
    
    He must be. Lorde would be lucky to have the talent Joni has in her little finger.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:46am
    - Fletch
      
      ps, here is Joni with just a guitar singing Night Ride Home on Dutch television.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3km3Z04aYxM
      
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      November 18, 2017 10:51am
- Southern Raider
  
  Have you asked Lorde’s new BFF Cindy what she thinks?
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:42am
  - holysheet
    
    What, your first go to person is not our very own lizzy marvelous?
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:00am
    - Southern Raider
      
      I think Lizzy has been dropped down the list now that our unicorn princess is in the castle
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:05am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        With any sort of luck, she has been dropped off the top of the castle in best GoT’s fashion
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:19am
      - PhilBest
        
        I didn’t even GET the “Lizzie” reference above, that is how far off my radar she is! It didn’t help that we were talking about music.
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:53am
      - sooty
        
        No more national anthams for lizzy. Oh the shame.
        
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        November 18, 2017 12:22pm
Brito

I love the symmetry in this story. The woman uses an illegal recreational drug at the start of the year and the police want to speak to her about it. She refuses to discuss it.

Then the #metoo avalanche starts and she jumps on the band wagon.

Then the police issue a warrant for her arrest and she finally hands herself in (two weeks later). Entitled cow.

Her excuse…’they’re just trying to shut me up’.

No dear, you broke the law in your own country, face up to it and move on.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11944331
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November 18, 2017 8:14am
- Longknives
  
  Rose McGowan is a Trainwreck.
  She was engaged to Marilyn Manson- Enough said!
  Harvey is a sleazebucket but this woman has no credibility- If you Google Rose and Harvey there are some interesting photographs of her hanging off his arm that certainly don’t look like a ‘Rapist’ and his ‘Victim’..
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:24am
wiseowl

Rowan Dean interviewed a liberal politician last night who explained the total rort the Paris agreement is.
In the future western countries will reach a point where they are contributing 100 billion per annum to this UN scheme.
That’s right 100 billion pa.
This will then be distributed to poor countries by members like Nicaragua .
It is beyond belief that we have signed up to this accord.
Is there one NZ politician who can put his/her/its hand up and call this scam out for what it is?
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November 18, 2017 8:16am
- Brito
  
  Socialism by stealth. Create the fear and guilt and spread the lie and eventually we get sucked into the spin.
  
  I smell Al of Gore all over this bullshit. He’s a capitalist who makes millions out of the guilt side of things.
  
  Then there’s H1 who spreads here ideology through the UN vehicle who support this shit.
  
  When will these Green idiots get it?
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:23am
- JIV
  
  Theres been a map of how all the countries are doing with their Paris obligations. If you wanted to know how important NZs contribution is just see how they represent us
  
  https://s3.amazonaws.com/jo.nova/debunk/eu/who-fights-climate-change.gif
  
  Theyve completely left NZ off of their map of shame. We dont count at all.
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:24am
  - oldpark
    
    Well lest we forget,or even them. Wonder who or what overseas, gets the $1,300,000,000 Billion dollars each year, we pay into the global warming scam.
    
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    November 18, 2017 8:31am
    - PhilBest
      
      James Delingpole recently called it “290 Apollo Programs”:
      
      http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/11/10/delingpole-58-trillion-290-apollo-programs-to-combat-climate-change-this-is-beyond-a-joke/
      
      What a heinous waste.
      
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      November 18, 2017 8:33am
  - VicParking
    
    What do you expect from an organisation based in Beirut, Lebanon.
    
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    November 18, 2017 8:39am
  - RalphT
    
    Perhaps it means we don’t have to make any contributions?
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:14am
  - realityczech
    
    LOL 🙂
    
    Let’s see the NZ msm show that map next time the mule toothed communist virtue signals about climate change.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:17am
  - marcw
    
    USA are included in the category “very low [fighting change]”. Yet their country has reduced CO2 emissions by the greatest % over the last 5 years for all developed countries.
    
    Tells us all we need to know about the authors of this crap.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Most of the money collected to date by the UN Green fund is being used to prop up the great bureaucracy supporting the scheme.
  http://joannenova.com.au/2017/11/un-green-climate-fund-good-for-bankers-bureaucrats-but-not-so-much-the-poor/
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:18am
  - sooty
    
    So they don’t do anything. Just spend our money to keep the life they have become acustomed too.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:20am
- treadingthemill
  
  The Paris Accords goals were laudable, but it’s mechanisms were flawed. It gave away far too much leeway to China and India to continue polluting.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:21am
  - realityczech
    
    The Paris Accords goals were ~~laudable~~ laughable, but it’s mechanisms were flawed. It gave away far too much leeway to China and India to continue ~~polluting.~~ lifting millions out of poverty
    
    How about you give away your comfortable life and life in poverty to do your bit for the climate Trodden ?
    
    Nah…. didn’t think so.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:25am
    - treadingthemill
      
      It’s not necessary to live in poverty to do my bit. My lifestyle is already very green. And I don’t believe the excuse of China and India that the exceptions they gained had anything to do with poverty in their respective countries.
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:34am
      - starboard
        
        Do you compost your own excrement? Thought not.
        Pseudo greenie.
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:46am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Do you compost your own excrement?
        
        Yes. I use one of these.
        
        https://www.wctnz.co.nz/bambooloo-natural
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:54am
      - holysheet
        
        Do you compost your own excrement?
        Nah the prick comes on here and sprays it all over KB.
        
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        November 18, 2017 10:33am
- Ross12
  
  wiseowl
  The Rowan Dean interview that followed with guy who explained in great detail about how the Aussie Govt. and Courts had stuffed up on the MP’s citizen issue was also extremely good.
  For those who missed it it is worth trying to find a “replay”, if it is possible to get one.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:56am
Paulus

Manus Island men.
Cinderella – you seem to think that acting like a Greenpeace Anarchist Activist that you are impressing the people who welcomed you as Winston’s choice as Prime Minister.
If you haven’t come down from your own hubris you should seriously consider your position which is unlike that of probably 99% of the New Zealand population.
Helen Clark who was probably the most disliked Prime Minister in recent history would not gone so far into the mire as you have done.
You will be remembered for this whatever you do in the future. Every Utube will be there.
Three weeks into power and it has gone to your mouth.
At your tender age and nine years in opposition including under your close mentor we would have expected you to STFU assuming you know what that means.
You have far more important and serious financial problem that you and your tubby colleague have brought into play.
We will call them U turns, but by lying all over the place does you no favours.
Am actually sad for you, but even more so for our Country.
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November 18, 2017 8:17am
- PhilBest
  
  I actually wish (schaedenfreude like) that NZ now will get a “boat people” crisis. I have been saying for years that our “Defence” forces are so pitiful that they would be unable to prevent a well-organised, totally unarmed invasion.
  
  Don’t think it can’t happen – don’t think there isn’t enough money in people-smuggling to fund boats that are seaworthy enough to get here. In fact the biggest problem for this nefarious trade, would be taking a sufficiently circituous route around Aussie, to avoid being intercepted by them.
  
  I bet the Aussies are tempted to just let them past to teach us a lesson, if it wasn’t for their own long term interests (NZ being used as a stepping stone, etc)
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:47am
- realityczech
  
  If they insist on bringing Manus Island illegal immigrants to NZ then we need spend up large and buy them places in Thorndon etc so they can afford to live among Labour and Green voters.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:21am
  - Brito
    
    Get your Zyklon B out Herr Kea.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:09am
    - realityczech
      
      We could chat about weather but even that rarely goes well on KB 🙂
      
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      November 18, 2017 10:11am
  - marcw
    
    I say take a nice neighborhood green reserve in Mt Roskill or Thorndon, and build a nice refugee center to house them. Complete with madrassa, mosque, halal butchers – they will be forever grateful. I mean, how could they be hypocritical and object?
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:25am
oldpark

Winston Peters little girl wee Jacinda is certainly getting the blow torch on her attitude on why she wants to import 150 alleged Pedophile Asylum queue jumpers ,or kiddie fiddlers into NZ.
Yesterday in Wellington there was a protest from their partners in slime Green Party sycophants wanting not only 150 kiddy fiddlers into NZ. The mad dog protestors were demanding that NZ took the whole 1200 Asylum queue jumping boat people,with kiddy fiddlers not a problem.
Wonder what wee Jacinda, or her Sugar Daddy Winston Peters thinks of that.
Maybe they agree, as up to now the silence from wee Jacinda, Winston Peters little girly ‘selection’as PM is deafening.
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November 18, 2017 8:17am
- waikatogirl
  
  Cindy, Manus Island – WHY???
  What is it about them that has got you so obsessive about these queue jumpers? You have told the country for years that as an MP it is your life’s work to save NZ children from poverdy. Now you have somehow become PM I would have thought NZ’ers in need of financial support would be your first priority, not some bunch of sketchy, possibly dangerous entitled economic migrants from the other side of the world. We don’t understand your insistence…
  
  Charity begins at home. Look after your voters and the poorly raised children first. Give them housing and more taxpayer money to live on. Give yourself time to find your feet as PM. Stop confusing and pissing everyone off with this side issue.
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:33am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    The question needs to be asked in the house of the PM: will you personally take responsibility if any of these “refugees” commit a crime of a violent or sexual nature against a NZ citizen?
    
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    November 18, 2017 8:42am
    - Scott
      
      Yes and given that Labour ran on cutting back on immigration, who could have known that her first major foreign policy decision would be to demand refugees from Australia? She was elected to cut back on immigration. That’s what she ran on. Not to bring in the lowest quality immigrants she could find!
      And this is exactly what Winston ran against, inundation of NZ with foreigners of dubious backgrounds. Could this government please do what they promised to do? Cut back on immigration not encourage illegal immigration!
      
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      November 18, 2017 8:51am
    - PhilBest
      
      The latest from Sweden – no I am not making this up – the “ethnic background” of rapists is irrelevant, but what is relevant, is that they are “males”.
      
      http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/11/15/swedish-justice-minister-rejects-proposal-record-ethnic-background-sex-attackers/
      
      So The Sisterhood and its eunuchs will even stoop to importing rapists to use as a pretext in their war on their own “patriarchy”?
      
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      November 18, 2017 8:52am
    - kevn
      
      SC… Great idea. Put some real cred into it by saying chop off a finger for every one of the Manus Island ‘refugees’ sexual misdemeanors.
      JA’s whole approach has been wonky all the way from preaching/dealing to the Aussie PM, right the way down the line. Even chucking 3 mill at it seems odd. Who is impressed? Must be a ploy to inch closer to a UN job?
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:29am
      - sooty
        
        Why a finger? Cut off their dick!
        
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        November 18, 2017 10:22am
  - holysheet
    
    It was a choice of accepting the TPP in its present form as arranged by the Nats prior to the election, AND accepting the Manus scum.
    To sell the TPP to her dumbarse supporters, Cindy had to deflect the news with accepting the scum.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:25am
    - treadingthemill
      
      That claim doesn’t make any sense, as the TPP news has not been drowned out by the Manus Island news. Both stories are still being talked about in the media. And as far as Labour supporters go, I suspect there are a range of views about the TPP. JA does not always have to defer to the hard left of the party, anymore than JK had to defer to the hard right of National.
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:31am
      - Viking2
        
        We would have been way better off if he had the balls to do so instead of kowtowing to the socialists.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:39pm
  - Sofia
    
    Australian intelligence leak comes with swipe at “moral posturing and naivety” of New Zealand PM Jacinda Ardern.
    
    Intelligence advice to the Australian Government, sent in early October from Papua New Guinea, details allegations of shocking behaviour by some of the asylum seekers squatting in the now-closed Australian centre on Manus Island.
    
    According to the cable, Manus Island residents were also “unhappy with the stigma attached to the girls who engaged in the activities and the number of children born from the ‘relationships’, reported at least 10 at the time of our last visit”
    
    … seeming evidence that it has happened
    
    … the local provincial health authority had written to the provincial police commander expressing concerns about “increased interaction between the residents and the young girls from a health perspective, saying they had seen an increase in sexually transmitted infections and HIV”.
    
    … further seeming evidence that it has happened
    
    While the report states police were unable to investigate the claims because they had not been reported …
    
    … so a reason why Ardern’s most rigorous checking of ‘refugees’ will not detect those guilty of sex-crime against under-age children: if individual complaints were not made, there will be no documentation naming perpetrators
    
    … despite the evidence that it has happened
    
    How will Ardern defend her decision if a New Zealand child is physically and mentally maimed by one of her ‘refugees’, a child living in poverty or not.
    And if that happens, does Arden not think she will held responsible just by New Zealanders but also owe some explanation to Australia for not listening to their obvious warning.
    
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    November 18, 2017 3:27pm
  - Gravelroad
    
    It’s the story of the Emperor’s New Clothes.
    Ms Ardern got carried away with her UN ideologies and vainly thought she could make a name for herself by “saving” some dodgy refugees.
    She paraded herself around with her cloak of virtue, but no one else could see it.
    What does she know about these Manus Island people over and above what the Australian government has been dealing with and funding for years?
    It’s a really disrespectful and “I know best” attitude on display by Ms Ardern. Perhaps she should be cutting back on the Helen Clark tutorials for a spell.
    
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    November 18, 2017 3:48pm
sooty

Poor Labour, been shown up as leading a ship of fools. From Kelvin Davis in a position far beyond him ( how are they going to work around that ). Poor Taxinda will not be able to go on anymore junkets and leave him in charge. Can she trust Whinneystone to be left minding the shop. He wants his own junkets, you wont see much of him in the house. To the speaker and their mps getting spanked, daily in the house. Even two name Bradbury is not supporting the coalition of fools. I daren’t go to the straned to check there as to Labours progress.
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November 18, 2017 8:24am
- VicParking
  
  The “House” is a mess. The speaker gets the order of parliament wrong, behind a beguiling Mallard the government does not answer the questions given to them and when any pressure comes on the Minister is “held up in Auckland”. What till the results, or lack of, start to show up, National will have a field day.
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:49am
  - starboard
    
    Liarbor. RANK AMATUERS.
    Cant wait til it implodes.
    Back to the oppositon benches where you belong, for eternity. Fuckin rabble.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:54am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      bahaahaaaaa.
      Yeah. Keep on dreaming boy.
      They’re a new government finding their feet.
      It is your entitled party that will need to get used to the opposition benches….ohhh and stop your wailing about the election you deserved to win. You needed 50%…you got 46%. LOSERS
      
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      November 18, 2017 11:44am
      - chuk
        
        Splooge, you wrote this at close to midnight on another thread (didn’t you have anything better to do?):
        
        “You lot really are a bunch of soft cocks.
        But still. I suppose it is fun watching you lot self implode, even if it is getting boringly predictable.”
        
        It seems to apply as much to you as anyone else. Ever thought about that?
        
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        November 18, 2017 12:21pm
      - Peter
        
        They’re a new government finding their feet
        
        In their mouths, mostly.
        
        You needed 50%…you got 46%. LOSERS
        
        The losers, besides taxpayers, are those who sold out to baubles.
        
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        November 18, 2017 12:59pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        No I didn’t chuk you fuckwit. I’m in Queensland so it would have been closer to 9 pm.
        But hey keep on making it up to
        suit you gormless idiot.
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:56pm
      - simo
        
        Hey Splooge, how about you carry out some voluntary emigration to Venezuela and report back to the assembled company on KB about how the socialist experiment is “progressing”. Unfortunately there is a new strain of plague over there which we are hoping you going get so you understand what 1st world countries really stand for.
        
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        November 18, 2017 5:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Crikey…
  headlines on Stuff…
  The acting PM is a Trainwreck
  https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/98982731/labour-has-a-problem–we-need-to-talk-about-acting-prime-minister-kelvin-davis
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:20am
- Southern Raider
  
  Only sane one is Nash and they have sidelined him
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:51am
Manolo

The liberal pervert apologises:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5092825/Al-Franken-accuser-Grope-photo-face-insult.html
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November 18, 2017 8:24am
- Ross12
  
  Saw a snap on CNN last night and the host seriously tried to push the Franken issues under the carpet by saying it was just one woman whereas the others involved more than one.
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:02am
Happychappy

Does anyone no or am I just being bias about the activity of Winston First. Do MP’s take their Partners with them all the time on overseas business for our Government on the Tax Payer or is it because of the state of his health or was the last overseas junket a one off situation.
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November 18, 2017 8:25am
- sooty
  
  What, you think Whinneystone is getting befuddled and needs a nurse.
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:37am
- VicParking
  
  I’m supprised that this government does not also take their parents, grand parents and next door with them. The ‘Trough’ is too tempting for these Socialists. Yippe someone else’s money to spend.
  As for Jancinda the size of the trough is incomprehensible, whats $3 million when we can borrow $60 billion.
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:55am
kevn

labour. A laughing stock in our own country chucked off at by our own people. That’s what labour is. A joke. But it’s not funny. A train wreck.
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November 18, 2017 8:27am
- SPLOOGE
  
  In your deluded mind only \.
  As far as I can see Labour haven’t been chucked out of anything.
  The train hasn’t crashed.
  But the joke is on National after they lost the election they ‘deserved’ to win.
  Bahahaaaaa….bahahaaaaaaa.
  Take two red pills and have a lie down.
  
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  November 18, 2017 11:48am
  - thedavincimode
    
    I’m sorry you don’t have any friends and had to spend your imaginary holiday on kiwibog.
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:50am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Bahahaaaaaa. OK.
      Due to good life choices I do have a lot of holidays.
      I imagine you’re a slave to your job, your mortgage, your wife and family who no doubt despise you for the bitter and twisted arsehole you have become.
      Good luck with your ‘life’ loser.
      *grins broadly*
      
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      November 18, 2017 12:18pm
      - starboard
        
        Splurge..your wifes got two arseholes…you’re one of ’em.
        
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        November 18, 2017 1:11pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        That’s one thing at least that you most certainly don’t lack splooge. Imagination.
        
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        November 18, 2017 2:48pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        The jealousy is so thick in the air one could swim in it.
        I’m not sorry that you have no life to live but allow me to have fun for you… miserable fools.
        Remember I’m here to annoy and upset the idiot right and I shall do just that.
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:59pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Remember I’m here to annoy and upset the idiot right and I shall do just that.
        
        Ease up please. I just can’t take it any more.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:10pm
sooty

Tragic!
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November 18, 2017 8:37am
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Hong Kong’s property cartel is pushing wealth inequality to the brink | South China Morning Post

http://www.scmp.com/business/article/2120219/hong-kongs-property-cartel-pushing-wealth-inequality-brink

Raising welfare and pension payments, and reforming the MPF isn’t going to solve the main problem – a persistent property bubble sustained by a cartel … read more via hyperlink above …
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You have to pay nearly $1 million just to view these apartments … CNN Money / Ksat

https://www.ksat.com/news/you-have-to-pay-nearly-1-million-just-to-view-these-apartments

HONG KONG (CNNMoney) – At one Hong Kong apartment complex, it will cost you close to $1 million to just get your foot in the door.

Real estate agents in the city are asking potential buyers to stump up 7 million Hong Kong dollars ($900,000) to view a new batch of luxury condos, the latest example of the dizzying rise in prices in the world’s most expensive property market. … read more via hyperlink above …
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Inside Hong Kong’s 50 Sq. Ft. ‘Coffin Cubicle’ Homes | Fortune.com

http://fortune.com/2017/11/01/hong-kong-coffin-cubicle-home/

… Access yesterday’s extensive KB GD housing discussion … https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/11/general_debate_17_november_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2078402
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- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  … Essential reading guys !
  
  … Responsible business and government working together IN THE WIDER PUBLIC INTEREST (unlike Hong Kong) … isn’t this heartening !
  
  It makes me proud to be a New Zealander !
  
  Challenges stack up for super minister (Phil Twyford) Oliver Hartwich of The New Zealand Initiative | The National Business Review
  
  https://www.nbr.co.nz/opinion/challenges-stack-super-minister
  
  … November 2015 Joint Opinion by Hartwich and Twyford for the NZ Herald …
  
  Opinion: Planning rules the cause of housing crisis – NZ Herald
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11553128
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:57am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Even Real Estate Developers Can’t Afford Toronto’s Housing Market – Bloomberg
    
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-17/in-toronto-world-s-hottest-housing-market-starting-to-boil-over
    
    * High land costs push prices beyond the reach of many buyers
    
    * ‘It’s a real turn,’ says broker who sees his sales slowing
    
    The hottest housing market in the world is facing a reckoning.
    
    Toronto-area land prices have gotten so high that developers are struggling to build new homes that people can afford. Buyers are no longer lining up, despite discounts and incentives.
    
    The cost of land has nearly tripled in some areas the past five years, according to Altus Group Ltd. It now accounts for roughly half the price of a new home. In 2011, it was a little more than a third. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
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    November 18, 2017 12:44pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      The latest RBNZ survey of house price expectations brings a sharp dive in those seeing gains in the future. In fact capital gains may have vanished; the risk is now to the downside | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90954/latest-rbnz-survey-house-price-expectations-brings-sharp-dive-those-seeing-gains-future
      
      Each quarter, the RBNZ conducts a survey of household expectations.
      
      (Well, actually they take data from the UMR Research “nation-wide telephone omnibus survey”.)
      
      The questions the Reserve Bank is interested in relate to consumer price inflation and also house price inflation.
      
      Specifically, the questions about expected house price inflation are: … read more via hyperlink above …
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      Auckland’s new rating valuations may unleash a wave of vendors with unrealistic price expectations | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/90950/aucklands-new-rating-valuations-may-unleash-wave-vendors-unrealistic-price
      
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      November 18, 2017 4:51pm
MT_Tinman

I note this morning the harridan is quoted as saying “No one marched when I was elected”.

You are correct lady (except in the bit about you being elected).

You’re not worth the effort!
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November 18, 2017 8:47am
- PhilBest
  
  I distinguish between Cindy and Hulun, in that Cindy is young, brainwashed and doesn’t know any better, while Hulun was a deliberate and knowing agent of destruction. In fact Cindy is a classic “result” of the work of the Hulun class. Sadly, this is emblematic of a demography-level paradigm, and even more sadly, our mainstream “centre right” political party is Vichy, not The Resistance.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:21am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Cindy is a classic “result” of the work of the Hulun class … our mainstream “centre right” political party is Vichy, not The Resistance
    
    +10. Couldn’t agree more.
    
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    November 18, 2017 1:01pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    while Hulun was a deliberate and knowing agent of destruction.
    
    What destruction?
    
    our mainstream “centre right” political party is Vichy, not The Resistance.
    
    That’s because it is a CENTRE right party, not a far right party. The reason there is no large resistance party in New Zealand is because most voters don’t support one. That’s the reason ACT can only manage to get one MP elected. Blaming National misses the point that they are in tune, more or less, with middle New Zealand. If you created a part that was a mix of libertarian economics and Christian conservatism it would not pass the 5% threshold. The democratic will of the majority, not National, is your stumbling block.
    
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    November 18, 2017 1:09pm
    - realityczech
      
      “What destruction?”
      
      Trodden you are really are a stupid little fool !
      
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      November 18, 2017 1:12pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        So, you couldn’t think of anything to label destruction either.
        
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        November 18, 2017 1:21pm
      - sooty
        
        How many years did Taxinda spend in Heluns office learn the trade?
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:56pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Not only PM Clark’s office , sooty, but her Wikipedia profile for many years has claimed that she was a policy advisor to UK Labour Prime Minister, Tony Blair.
        
        I have very serious doubts about that extravagant claim, and note that – while Ardern’s profile has been updated (of course) to take in her becoming PM of New Zealand – the Tony Blair claim has not been excised. Funny that.
        
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        November 18, 2017 8:55pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Calendar Girl,
        
        she was just a minion in the Cabinet Office…
        
        read here how she tries to deflect the charge that she worked for a War Criminal
        “I didn’t want to work for Tony Blair”
        https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96123508
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:04pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  The difficulty with Ardern’s comment is that she was NOT elected as Prime Minister. She was elected as MP for Mt Albert, but it was 33 members of the Labour Party caucus only who elected her as their leader.
  
  And if you want to get really technical, 64% of New Zealand voters did NOT vote for her to be PM, so her personal mandate is even less than that of Donald Trump.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:31am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Yeah well one could equally make up similar figures about John Key or Simon English.
    Whilst your fawning sycophants make think you’re being clever I look on you as a boring and repetitive cheerleader for the team of losers.
    Get over yourself.
    
    …Jacinda Ardern..
    PRIME MINISTER
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:54am
    - waikatogirl
      
      …Jacinda Ardern…
      PRIME MINISTER (SELECT)
      There, fixed it for you
      
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      November 18, 2017 1:29pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        BAHahaaaaaaa.
        In your mind you silly silly little girl.
        (actually you’re most likely on the wrong side of 40, fat verging on obese and struggling to remember the tender touch of a lover) which goes a long way to explaining your bitterness.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:07pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    I suggest that technically she wasn’t elected at all. She was appointed by Winston, someone who failed to win his own electorate seat and whom only 7% of NZers voted for.
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:59am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      And if he went with the double dipper then he would have appointed him too.
      Your argument holds no water KK.
      
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      November 18, 2017 12:20pm
      - sooty
        
        You are just trying to justify shit. Splooge.
        
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        November 18, 2017 12:24pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Bill lead the preferred party, was the preferred prime minister, and held his seat continuously since 1990.
        
        That appintment would have had credibility.
        
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        November 18, 2017 12:25pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        In your mind KK but unfortunately that’s not how it works in the real world so suck it up loser, you lost.
        Jacinda Ardern.
        PRIME MINISTER of New Zealand and there’s nothing you can do about it so keep on wailing and gnashing the teeth.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:10pm
  - Paulus
    
    Winston made her Prime Minister – one day she will be told.
    
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    November 18, 2017 1:50pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The difference perhaps being those who despise her appointment were actually working to pay the taxes for the largesse promised while the recipients of the tax payers largess, those with the most time on their hands, farted, rolled over and reached for a Cody’s.
  
  That is why there were no marching against her elevation from fifth form nothing to H1 glove puppet!
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:40am
- Duncan Brown
  
  That’s only because Kiwi right-wingers in general are far more respectful of the democratic process.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:46am
  - SPLOOGE
    
    BAHAHAAAAAAAA
    You are kidding aren’t you?
    The right and their win by any means possible are what sickens me most about you lot, that and your arrogant born to rule attitude shown by the bitterness displayed with you sore loser attitute born out of this past election that you ‘deserved’ to win with your 46%. (you need over 50%).
    Get your head out of your arse you silly boy.
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:58am
    - softail 1450
      
      splodge,,,that load of dribble from the man who still thinks the knob on his “massive girthed penis” is to stop his tightly gripped hand from falling off the end of it.
      
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      November 18, 2017 12:30pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        On your knees boy. GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE.
        You are indeed fascinated and obsessed by my penis.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:12pm
- Ross12
  
  She should have put the word YET in her statement.
  ( They did not march immediately against Trump, if I recall correctly)
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:05am
EAD_TWO

Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein demands that the will of the people be ignored and that there be another vote on Brexit (no doubt until they get the “right” decision)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-16/blankfein-tweets-many-ceos-want-to-see-do-over-on-brexit-vote

If the world was actually run by Jewish Banking cartels crushing the will of native populations and socially engineering the West to suit their own vision, it would look exactly like this.

PS: It’s interesting to note that just like the Russian Revolution when Schiff and Warburg funded the Bolsheviks, the “Capitalist” International Bankers are siding with the Commies once again.
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November 18, 2017 8:49am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  No doubt the mindless KB GDers will support the Hong Kong Crony Capitalists buying off politicans and bureaucrats … screwing up their housing market … by (again mindlessly) downticking my post a couple up thread !
  
  One would hope they had more time to read and learn since they are now on the Opposition benches !
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:01am
  - Swifty
    
    Buffalo Bill Pavletich spams Kiwiblog with multiple lengthy self-promoting single-issue posts per day for months and months, despite requests to tone it down a bit – and then calls those who downtick him ‘mindless’.
    
    What a prick.
    
    He really is unwell.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:41am
    - realityczech
      
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      “despite requests”
      
      I “request” you shut your gob and have mum show you how to use the – scroll – feature.
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:45am
      - Swifty
        
        GFY Kea.
        
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        November 18, 2017 11:31am
    - holysheet
      
      Went to the same school as the drunken dwarf, me thinks.
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:47am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … To my fellow Tories …the irresponsible protectionist ones …who (deservedly) lost the election because of their housing failure …
        
        https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/11/general_debate_8_november_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-2071862
        
        DUMB IS NOT BEAUTIFUL KIWIBLOGGERS (KIWI TORIES) …
        
        Isn’t it interesting New Zealand is in the broad sense the global leader in politically restoring housing affordability … as I explained to Heather du Plessis Alan on radio mid last year …
        
        Talking housing affordability across the globe with Hugh Pavletich
        
        http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Talking-housing-affordability-across-the-globe-with-Hugh-Pavletich/tabid/506/articleID/122978/Default.aspx
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        … and you will note Don Brash and Bill English on the front of earlier Demographia Survey’s … with Dr Oliver Hartwich, Executive Director of The New Zealand Initiative on the front of this year’s survey.
        
        An extract of what he has to say …
        
        http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
        
        ‘It is a great honour to provide the foreword to this year’s
        Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey. Not just
        because I am humbly following in the footsteps of previous
        contributors to the series, many of whom I know personally
        and admire deeply. But mainly because I have been a fan of
        Demographia’s indices since they started in 2005.
        
        I first became involved in housing debates in that year when I
        was a researcher at London think tank Policy Exchange. I
        remember very well how difficult it was to put a figure to
        housing affordability which is also internationally comparable.
        
        Demographia’s ‘median multiple’ approach closed this gap. It firmly established a benchmark for housing affordability by linking median house prices to median household incomes. It is as simple as it is ingenious. And it is probably the index I have cited most often in my career.
        
        The ‘median multiple’ is not a perfect measure because it does not account for house sizes or build quality. But it is the only index that allows a quick comparison of different housing markets, and it is the best approximation of housing affordability measures we have to date.
        
        So first of all, my congratulations and thanks to Wendell Cox and Hugh Pavletich: You have done the world a great service with your annual surveys and with your advocacy for housing affordability.
        
        When John Lennon met Elvis for the first time he said, “Before you there was nothing.” I feel the same way about your housing affordability index. Thank you.
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        So it is very sad when my fellow Tories here on Kiwiblog General Debate are not as supportive of restoring housing affordability as much as they should be.
        
        I will leave the former Deputy Editor of the UK (Tory) Telegraph Allister Heath to explain to you guys the consequences of Tories being greedy, ignorant and irresponsible … highlighting the hugely embarrassing annual housing consent volumes of capitalist United Kingdom and socialist France …
        
        The real ticking time bomb for the Tories is home ownership – Telegraph
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11917816/The-real-ticking-time-bomb-for-the-Tories-is-home-ownership.html
        
        … extract …
        
        ‘ … Remarkably, 354,700 new homes were built in France last year, compared with 140,880 across the UK, a pathetically inadequate number barely half of that required. The French were actually bitterly disappointed with their own performance: their recent average has been around 400,000 homes a year. …’
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        Pity about the election result. Most importantly … are you learning anything … are you CAPABLE of learning anything ?
        
        Dumb is not beautiful … unless you are Goldie Hawn …
        
        Dean Martin and Goldie Hawn – Dumb Is Beautiful – Youtube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mez8LZzA-tw
        
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        November 18, 2017 11:00am
- realityczech
  
  Only “nazi” say Jews have any interest in banking. Israel is full of “nazi”. Look at this “nazi” ranting about his “nazi” ideology:
  
  Rabbi Ariel: ‘Banks are the Last Place to Borrow Money From’
  
  If you need a loan, the place to get it is at a gemach, a free loan society, that charges no interest, but may include a “usage fee,” according to Ramat Gan Chief Rabbi Yaakov Ariel. Rabbi Ariel was on the “short list” for Ashkenazic Chief Rabbi, and is considered a scholar of note by religious Jews from both the Religious Zionist and hareidi communties.
  
  In an interview with Arutz Sheva, Rabbi Ariel discussed the mechanics of taking loans under Jewish law. According to the Torah, taking interest on loans is forbidden, and there is a good reason for that.
  
  “The Jewish people in the Land of Israel are united, living in a single united society,” he said. “You wouldn’t charge interest if you loaned money to your son, daughter, or brother, and that must be our attitude to all Jews. We are one family and we must help each other, not take advantage of the other’s financial distress to gain wealth.”
  
  http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/170954
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:02am
- realityczech
  
  My Jewish Learning is another “nazi” hideout. Interesting reading about why Jews are so strong in the field of banking. It is due to ~~Muslim~~ ~~Hindu~~ ~~Buddhist~~ ~~Sikh~~ Christian persecution for centuries.
  
  Jews and Finance
  The idea that Jews are good with money is one of the oldest Jewish stereotypes. But it’s undeniable that Jews are well-represented in finance and business.
  
  As with many stereotypes, this one has its origins in fact. Jews have long been well-represented in the fields of finance and business.
  
  https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/usury-and-moneylending-in-judaism/
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:09am
- Brito
  
  I have a suggestion for you and Kea.
  
  Dump your stocks in Zyklon B and Showerheads.
  
  Go long on reality and actuals.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:34am
  - realityczech
    
    ” Zyklon B”
    
    Brittle has woken up in a foul mood and is now demanding people be sent to the gas chambers for quoting Rabbi’s !
    
    Yesterday he was on about mowing down other religions with his Uzi.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:38am
    - Brito
      
      Jew hating will always cause you to touch yourself inappropriately.
      
      Shabbat is over RC, open season for another week.
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:41am
      - realityczech
        
        US Jews see ‘tragic irony’ in refugee ban on Holocaust Remembrance Day
        
        ADL chief invokes doomed passengers of MS St. Louis, says he will roll out plan to combat policy ‘in the coming days’
        
        https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-jews-see-tragic-irony-in-refugee-ban-on-holocaust-remembrance-day/
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:42am
      - realityczech
        
        Chief Rabbi condemns Trump’s Muslim ban as ‘totally unacceptable’
        
        http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/chief-rabbi-condemns-trumps-muslim-ban-as-totally-unacceptable/
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:43am
      - Brito
        
        This is kea.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGXLs8j4D64
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:51am
    - realityczech
      
      Brittle, Do you want to exterminate Kea with your ” Zyklon B” or your Uzi you were telling us about?
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:53am
      - Brito
        
        Just distracting you Kea. My training at Mossad helps to manage the moronic and the unhinged.
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:55am
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle, why do you get so upset about people seeing what leading respected Rabbis are saying?
        
        Why do you think Rabbis are secret Nazi’s ?
        
        Why do you want to kill everyone all the time ?
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:58am
      - Brito
        
        I think you’ve mentioned kill and exterminate five times today. Calm down boy/girl/thing. This self touching is getting ridiculous.
        
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        November 18, 2017 10:02am
      - treadingthemill
        
        @ realityczech
        
        You don’t need to suffer in silence anymore. There is help available:
        
        ‘Compulsive Masturbation: The Secret Sexual Disorder’
        
        https://blogs.psychcentral.com/sex/2012/05/compulsive-masturbation-the-secret-sexual-disorder/
        
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        November 18, 2017 10:06am
      - realityczech
        
        Your alter ego [Jacksie] has already ripped into Chinese and Indian people today, while you have carried on the fixation with Muslims against a background of demanding those you see as gentiles be gassed.
        
        Maybe your G-d could arrange another flood and we can do away with the lot of them ? 🙂
        
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        November 18, 2017 10:07am
waikatogirl

“No one marched when I was elected”.

– Because we were all like stunned mullets!
– the SILENT majority don’t protest in the streets,
we will wait and remove you at the ballot box.
– and I agree, you’re not worth the effort!

Keep up this manic state of belligerent governance and we may still protest publicly against the schizophrenic COL.
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November 18, 2017 8:54am
- kowtow
  
  The real problem of course is she wasn’t “elected”.
  
  She was annointed , by the leader of a small minority party.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:46am
  - treadingthemill
    
    The real problem of course is she wasn’t “elected”.
    
    Had Winston gone with Bill that would still be the case. And we don’t elect PM’s in New Zealand, we elect parties. That was true under FPP, and it’s even more true under MMP.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:49am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Who in their right mind would want the double dipper from Dipton, the loser from the South the idiot boy Simon English as PM. The guy is a wet fish married to a fruit loop. Claims to be religious yet is happy enough to stand up in front of the whole country and bare faced lie.
      Nah. It was time for a change.
      
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      November 18, 2017 12:02pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Has there ever been a nastier prick on here than SPLOOGE?
        Or is he the new Yoza?
        
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        November 18, 2017 1:06pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Says the moronic imbecile that completely got it wrong yesterday and like the gutless coward he is behind the keyboard slid back into his piss stained seat and resumed the self abuse.
        Do try and get your facts right you stupid and angry old man.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:16pm
- Brito
  
  I remember when she was elected and they did march. It was in Mt Roskill, the only time she was ever elected. A group was drinking and weaving all over the road after they left the bar. The Tooth Fairy was being interviewed and went over and joined the march.
  
  Since then she’s been gifted the role not earning it by being voted in.
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:00am
- MrTips
  
  WG: No they did it BEFORE she was appointed. In her home town of Morrinsville!
  
  She’s a vacant lying waste of space.
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:40am
lastmanstanding

Anyone want to take a bet with me when the very cute but gabby Gloriz is going to do a Marilyn Wareham. I suspect sooner rather than later. Like all Lefties she is a know it all.
On that subject I was at a function Thursday with a very senior FA official. As always he was very discreet however he communicated to my various statements with either a smile a nod or a rolling of the eyes.
The result was a I deduced this lot are egotists who think they know it all have no common sense and wont be told anything have unrealistic demands and regard the officials as lackeys.
What a surprise.
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November 18, 2017 8:59am
- Paulus
  
  Is Gloria a lesbian too ?
  Thought she was shacked up with some left wing journalist.
  But I have great admiration as a politician.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:19am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    No, she’s shacked up with New Zealand’s least funny “comedian”, Guy Williams.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:02am
    - Longknives
      
      Guy Williams is a Comedian??
      
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      November 18, 2017 10:12am
      - waikatogirl
        
        No, only an idiot.
        
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        November 18, 2017 10:53am
      - Dave Mann
        
        No not really. Comedians generally need to be funny. He obviously tries, but it doesn’t come off, mainly because he lacks a quick mind, he doesn’t do accents and he doesn’t understand the dynamic of movement and delivery.
        
        I wouldn’t call him a comedian. He’s more of a gap filler.
        
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        November 18, 2017 10:57am
      - Digmen1
        
        Aside from her politics, I’d say Guy is a lucky man.
        
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        November 18, 2017 11:09am
    - Morrissey
      
      Would this hatred of Guy Williams have something to do with the fact that he has humiliated Paul “Kill Them All” Henry and Judith “Whalepal” Collins?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYEuWoiXXhs
      
      And would it have anything to do with this memorable send-up of a serial sex pest?….
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLTyNOxXWCM&t=9s
      
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      November 18, 2017 1:13pm
- Dave Mann
  
  Who is Marilyn Wareham and why does someone from the Football Association smile and nod and roll his eyes at the mention of her name?
  
  Sorry, I know this is General Debate, but its a bit too general to follow…..
  
  More detail needed.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:23am
  - lastmanstanding
    
    In 1984 Marilyn crossed the floor of the House and Rob Muldoon declared an early election as a result. The start of the Lange Government.
    
    Like Golriz Marilyn was a stroppy bird and very gabby.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:44am
    - virtualmark
      
      Marilyn Waring, not Wareham.
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:49am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Oh right, THAT Marilyn! But what does football have to do with it? Is/was one of them involved with some sort of international corruption scam?
        
        The thlot plickens…. I can’t wait to find out… is gabby our esteemed commenter one of them in disguise?
        
        Tell us more…!
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:56am
      - Piniwi
        
        Waring is just another dyke.
        
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        November 18, 2017 8:34pm
    - holysheet
      
      Marilyn Waring is her correct name. She was a National MP from Hamilton.
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:51am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Waipa electorate, to be precise.
        
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        November 18, 2017 1:09pm
  - geoff3012
    
    Marilyn Waring.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:41am
  - Paulus
    
    Marilyn Waring – very good politician in the Muldoon Government but she rubbed him up her way and he did not like it.
    He did not like lesbians.
    
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    November 18, 2017 1:55pm
    - MCos
      
      Are you sure about that?
      
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      November 18, 2017 2:24pm
- Dave Mann
  
  On a serious note, I’ve looked up and read about this Golriz Ghahraman since she has been mentioned here and, much as I disagree with greenism, I would say she’s a wonderful example of how the children of refugees can flourish in a new country.
  
  She got a degree at Oxford and her parents are both professional people. She’s a qualified barrister and I bet she got into politics to do some good (albeit with the wrong party).
  
  So can we stop tarnishing her with the pejorative label ‘refugee’ please, and recognise that all refugees aren’t useless criminals and paedophiles.
  
  Cheers.
  
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  November 18, 2017 11:59am
  - realityczech
    
    “So can we stop tarnishing her with the pejorative label ‘refugee’ please, and recognise that all refugees aren’t useless criminals and paedophiles.
    
    Cheers.”
    
    Waaaay off message there Dave. KB’s standing troll army of religious bigots will horrified at the notion 🙂
    
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    November 18, 2017 12:06pm
  - softail 1450
    
    DM I agree ,but strongly object to her trying to change the culture and laws of my country for the 4 1/2 million of us were born here,feck her ,she’s in the Green Party ,do green things .
    she’s not there to spend all her time advocating for que jumping economic refugees .
    
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    November 18, 2017 12:19pm
    - realityczech
      
      If she does not like our culture she can seek refuge some place else and has the means to do so. Instead of hanging around attacking the very culture that helped her out.
      
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      November 18, 2017 12:23pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        If she does not like our culture she can seek refuge some place else
        
        Bit rich coming from someone who is Arab or part Arab and promotes hatred of Jews in New Zealand.
        
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        November 18, 2017 1:23pm
      - realityczech
        
        Arab ? What the fuck are you on about dimwit ?
        
        And where have I promoted hatred of Jews in NZ or any other place you lying piece of shit ?
        
        You disgust me.
        
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        November 18, 2017 1:26pm
      - Brito
        
        See, others understand that you have sand under your foreskin and no tolerance at all.
        
        I think it’s time we helped. Send us your address Kea and we’ll come and help end the suffering.
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:31pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      Is this what she’s advocating for? Genuine question…. I don’t know enough about her. Can you elucidate?
      
      But anyway, she is working within the system. She doesn’t appear to be a terrorist, does she?
      
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      November 18, 2017 1:21pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    So can we stop tarnishing her with the pejorative label ‘refugee’ please, and recognise that all refugees aren’t useless criminals and paedophiles.
    
    Cheers.
    
    Yes, good point.
    
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    November 18, 2017 12:23pm
  - Twinkletoes
    
    Her family were asylum seekers rather then refugees – I listened to her maiden speech where she explained that her mother was a psychologist who would not agree to take the religious exams required in order to follow her chosen profession. So they flew to NZ via KL (where they landed, apparently shaking in their shoes in case they weren’t allowed to board their flight to Auckland).
    
    However, they did and were granted asylum – now the silly girl wants to bring in hordes of males who follow the ideology that she says her family fled from. Go figure.
    
    Can’t remember what she said her father did for a living other than he was involved in finance I was so stunned to learn about her mother or maybe she just said that to get brownie points.
    
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    November 18, 2017 3:14pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    The refugee narrative is hers, that is the stick that she beats everyone else with.
    
    We all use what we have got, take the refugee narrative away what does she have?
    
    A human rights lawyer?
    
    Even that was about her ‘status’.
    
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    November 18, 2017 4:57pm
oldpark

After 40 years in Parliament can anyone honestly remember or quote what has Peters done for the benefit of NZ. Other than being a bad tempered meglamaniac and full of conspiracy theories, he has failed to cut the mustard. What an indictment for a sad old man . Who even recently betrayed his over 65s Gold Card loyal supporters.
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November 18, 2017 9:05am
- treadingthemill
  
  After 40 years in Parliament can anyone honestly remember or quote what has Peters done for the benefit of NZ.
  
  Choosing Labour. Getting their policy of restarting the forestry service and planting more trees into the coalition agreement.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:26am
  - holysheet
    
    You left out the Pike River Mine re-entry, and all his other bottom lines.
    If his face is anything to go by his arse must be really really, really lined.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:37am
    - Paulus
      
      Peters will be overseas when Angry re enters the mine (or has that been backfooted now awaiting a committee).
      
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      November 18, 2017 1:57pm
      - trout
        
        Headline of the day: (Herald)
        LITTLE:MINE ENTRY CANNOT BE PROMISED
        Excuse me: was this not a cast iron undertaking – no ifs no buts? The article pretty much reiterates the National government policy. Another walk back!
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:27pm
  - softail 1450
    
    threadingthepill,,,,is that you heather ?
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:01am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Even Garner is turning against how petty Labour is around parental leave. Is this the beginning of the media turning against the annointed One?
    
    I’ve even noticed on Stuff comments a massive swing in anti Cindy comments
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:01am
    - realityczech
      
      “I’ve even noticed on Stuff comments a massive swing in anti Cindy comments”
      
      The censor must be on leave. Don’t worry they will soon stamp that out.
      
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      November 18, 2017 12:24pm
  - KevOB
    
    Winston revealed the BNZ, then government owned, taking a position against the government. It was serious, devious, illegal and involved our richest.
    Amongst other things, if I recall right, BNZ had secretly pledged the NZ government owned power grid as a security for a private loan in the USA. Winston was upheld by the Courts but the hatred of the establishment of him remains.
    
    Ultimately I believe he has become a victim of his office and the drinking that goes with it. Now he appears to have a serious health problem. Moodiness, temper, lack of reason, surliness, judgement–all aspects of loss of mental capacity or brain damage from a variety of illnesses affecting the aging. This can come on over a long number of years and be written off as “just Winston”. He should have retired at least at the end of the last season. His legal capacity to decide in the coalition negotiations has to be questioned.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:11am
    - Inandout
      
      Others his age are the picture of health, so drinking top shelf, smoking and late nights take their toll. I would not be surprised if he has had some sort of stroke, or warning signs.
      
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      November 18, 2017 3:40pm
  - VicParking
    
    Another day another 277,000 trees behind schedule.
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:00am
    - softail 1450
      
      VP,not to mention 600 new houses below expectations,,,,
      
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      November 18, 2017 11:09am
      - SPLOOGE
        
        Well yanno that National encourage rampant immigration to help balance the books that sorta caused the massive housing shortage…. the shortage that Labour will attempt to fix.
        But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a good story softarse.
        
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        November 18, 2017 12:07pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        Splodge, National could not prevent all the Kiwis pouring back to live in our excellent economy compared to the economy of the countries they had been residing in. So no, not all immigration can be controlled.
        
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        November 18, 2017 1:48pm
      - SPLOOGE
        
        People returning home isn’t immigration.
        But hey again don’t let facts get in the way of your bullshit.
        Stupid stupid girl.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:18pm
      - Viking2
        
        SPLOOGE
        
        Well yanno that National encourage rampant immigration to help balance the books that sorta caused the massive housing shortage…. the shortage that Labour will attempt to fix.
        But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of a good story softarse.
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        Well there is a large % are Kiwi’s coming home with families.
        There are some we can do without so perhaps you could apply to remain at Manus. Sincerely we won’t be bothered if you stay.
        
        Wanting a free trip to NZ with a hand out is not for you.
        
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        November 18, 2017 5:05pm
    - david
      
      c’mon, didn’t you hear “Tugger” Jones in the house telling us that tree planting is both seasonal and weather dependant.
      It is obviously the wrong season and the weather is too good.
      
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      November 18, 2017 12:23pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Care to remind us why Labour dismantled the previous NZ Forest Service?
    
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    November 18, 2017 1:24pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      I’m not sure if you’re asking me Maggy, but assuming so, I have no idea why they did, it was imo a bad move.
      
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      November 18, 2017 1:28pm
      - realityczech
        
        “I have no idea ”
        
        At last it tells the truth.
        
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        November 18, 2017 1:30pm
- PhilBest
  
  He betrayed almost everyone who voted for him, given the reasons anyone did vote for him. Top of the list was surely “pushback against the Treaty Industry and the Iwi Mafia”. The Hobson’s Choice people endorsed and supported Winnie, what a waste of time. Also near the top of the list for elderly voters, would be law and order and toughness on crime – so good luck with that now.
  
  Winnie already sabotaged RMA reforms following the Northland by-election victory, so much for being anti-Greenie and caring about economic growth and jobs for long-term unemployed. He is obviously motivated entirely by personal Utu.
  
  Every time Winston got consigned to electoral oblivion in the past, he deserved it and what is more, deserved to stay there forever. Why do so many voters have such short memories? And why don’t they just vote ACT when ACT’s position is what they want from Winnie on a specific issue anyway?
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:30am
  - treadingthemill
    
    Unless you can provide a poll of New Zealand First voters on the issues, such as why they voted for him, and who they expected him to choose, much of that is just speculating. Hobson’s Choice were not made up of New Zealand First supporters, and on the law and order front, they and Labour have agreed to a large rise in the number of Police recruits, after National allowed them to fall to dangerous levels.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:41am
  - treadingthemill
    
    And why don’t they just vote ACT
    
    Because New Zealand First and it’s supporters have always been a party opposed to Rogernomics, so it makes no sense to vote for ACT just because of the Maori seats issue. And I’m skeptical that issue is a big one for his loyal supporters anyway.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:43am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Yeah! After just reaching the young age of 65 and now having my “Super Old Card” Winston now shits on me.
  Fuck you Peters, you turncoat. Next Election will see the extinction of NZF and hopefully the Greens
  
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  November 18, 2017 5:11pm
Jack5

An important article in the Hooerald …

It presents reality, in contrast to those who think NZ, for a dream future, needs: first, to abandon urban encroachment on farm land; and second, to fill the country up until it has at least 10 million to 12 million people.

That’s bullshit from real-estate sales people and immigration agents – the folk who pushed National off-track – and from ethnics who want to turn the country into a pseudo-suburb of Guangzhou or Mumbai.

The article:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11944763
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November 18, 2017 9:29am
- realityczech
  
  Indians, Chinese, Muslims,Germans… what ever next Jacksie ? Are there any gentiles you don’t want rounded up and exterminated ?
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:31am
  - Jack5
    
    Morning ☪Keaunreality~~check~~czech☪
    
    You trolls are like rust – you never sleep!
    
    And I thought we could enjoy another debate topic before the parrots were up.
    
    You have the floor for your usual anti-Jewish rubbish.
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:36am
    - realityczech
      
      Where have I said anything anti Jewish ?
      
      Jews generally approve of my views about not singling out religious and cultural groups for special attention. They are more worried about your sort. Today you have already attacked the Chinese and Indian people’s and you have only just begun !
      
      But of course you are building a strawman of lies as your sort always do.
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:47am
      - Brito
        
        According to our files you do not associate with Jews anymore. You have no personal friends or acquaintances…since you left your role at the camps…eh Herr Kea.
        
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        November 18, 2017 10:20am
      - mandk
        
        Here are a few of yours, Jew hater:
        
        “New Zealand never had to suffer an infestation of Jews”
        
        “… filthy yid animals”
        
        “If the Jew does not like it here it can crawl back to its nest in Israel …”
        
        You can change your name, but everyone knows you are Kea
        
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        November 18, 2017 12:32pm
      - Brito
        
        I am a Jew. I don’t approve of your comments (the end).
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:35pm
  - Brito
    
    There you go again, wanting to exterminate. Nasty piece of work Kea.
    
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    November 18, 2017 3:34pm
- PhilBest
  
  Not “fill the country up”: they want the extra millions stacked and packed on top of us in the existing urban space, with Hong Kong housing “affordability” as an unintended consequence. The Left are so stupid, they can’t ever see evidence, they talk about “making housing affordable” by stacking and packing, when the opposite outcome always happens when you do that.
  
  When free markets are working, you get bigger and better stuff costing less and less. When the free market has been sabotaged, it is perfectly consistent to get smaller, lower quality stuff costing more and more. This is the case in housing everywhere that you look at the evidence.
  
  This is why Atlanta has 600 people per square km and a house price median multiple of 3, and HK has 26,000 people per square km and a median multiple of 16+
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:41am
  - kowtow
    
    Another reason why HK has so many people in it is Chinese folk flocked there , and still do , to benefit from the law and order that white imperial colonialism brought along with the prosperidy of capitalism.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:14am
  - VicParking
    
    Auckland can’t infill to much, more the existing wastewater (sewerage/stormwater) systems can’t cope. To lay bigger pipes would mean digging up main roads, traffic ‘Kayous’. The system was reaching its limit ten years ago, thats why is leaking into the harbour and beaches will have to be closed after rain. The problem with ‘Green field’ sites is the processing systems wont be able to cope with the additional crap. Option pump it out to sea. Can see the Greens liking that…no
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:09am
krazykiwi

Dear Australia,

On behalf of the considerable majority of New Zealanders I’d like to apologise for our Prime Minister. Her petulant meddling in your sovereign affairs both before and after the election is an embarrassment to us, and almost certainly an affront to your good judgement.

Her foolish actions do nothing to build on the strong relationship that both countries have enjoyed through centuries of co-operation in trade, defence, shared interests on the world stage, and through the on-field lessons we have dished out to each other.

Rest assured that we do not want her as Prime Minister, elected as she was to lead a coalition of disparate, losing parties each with their own agenda for power.

We are hoping that this coalition fails soon, and the experience to-date suggests that this may well be the case. Meantime can we plead for your tolerance while we sort out our political circus.

With thanks and the warmest of regards,
The Majority of New Zealanders
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November 18, 2017 9:29am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Seconded by another member of the Majority of New Zealanders.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:34am
- Dave Mann
  
  @krazykiwi: Will you wait until your excellent comment has been upticked in numbers by our readers, then send a link to it to the Australian High Commissioner please, or print a screenshot?
  
  mailto:nzinbox@dfat.gov.au
  
  Readers, please uptick and show your support.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:40am
  - Dave Mann
    
    16 upticks for krazykiwi so far. Come on guys, only a few more to get it up to the highlighted level… keep them coming!
    
    EDIT: Yay that was quick! 22 and still counting!
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:12am
    - starboard
      
      Fantastic idea.
      
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      November 18, 2017 11:40am
    - MCos
      
      Only 2,500,000 to go to get a majority.
      
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      November 18, 2017 12:12pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    …And that is how the “silent majority” protest. No need to show yourself up by shouting in the street!
    
    The left need to learn some decorum. ???
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:48am
- Harriet
  
  Macron and Tredeau’s little sister.
  
  Big mouth from NZ Labour is going to piss off the Aussies, the Israelis, the NRA, conservatives, Christians,…….and men.
  
  She doesn’t know when to shut up.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:49am
  - MCos
    
    Wouldn’t worry me in the slightest who pisses off who as long as the issue is legitimate.
    That’s the nub of the problem of course because we all have different views on the same situation
    
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    November 18, 2017 3:14pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  We need a nice newsworthy Twitter campaign to reject Jacinda with.
  
  Something like the ‘onion’ signalling exercise carried out on Tony Abbott in Australia.
  
  Let’s all take to our Twitter accounts and take a picture of rejected almond milk left at our back door with a hashtag #NoAlmondMilk
  
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  November 18, 2017 12:47pm
krazykiwi

The airline won’t upgrade you? No problem: Have the entire flight crew arrested 🙂
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November 18, 2017 9:43am
MrTips

Ah, so that’s what Whiney Petulant has been doing in NK! https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/99013710/surgeon-finds-parasites-including-27cm-worm-inside-injured-north-korean-defector
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November 18, 2017 9:48am
Brito

Lovely interview with Tooth Fairy and Paddy. He i a caring and gentle interviewer.

Glacier shrinkage is caused by climate change. But no pressure on Tooth Fairy about what she’s going to do about this. Create a pipe which pumps water up to the neve, unemployed carrying buckets of ice and gluing onto the front?

GDP will now have new measuring tools. It will look at happiness and niceness.

Sigh, (Deep breath).
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November 18, 2017 9:48am
Brito

PNG is going to get $3m from NZ to manage the Manus Island refugees.

PNG is being given $3m to spend on piss, pork bones and new drums.
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November 18, 2017 9:53am
- realityczech
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  “pork bones”
  
  Yeah those Muslims are big pork eaters Brittle LOL 🙂
  
  They must teach you some bullshit at that radical extremist synagogue you attend.
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:03am
  - softail 1450
    
    chook ,I think he meant pork bones for the local PNG hierarchy,maybe had you read the bit about the “drums” you would have picked that up.
    don’t be in such a balls out rush to criticise before you read and digest the words,calm down chook….
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:11am
  - Brito
    
    Good one Kea! Love your sense of humour.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:13am
  - VicParking
    
    “Staples of the traditional PNG diet include fish, seafood, sago, sweet potato (kaukau), taro, taro leaf, cassava, cassava leaf, breadfruit, edible leafy greens (kumu), coconut and fruits. The traditional meat is PORK, which is often eaten on special occasions.”
    Like when NZ gives them 6,600,000 PGK. Average wage 140 PGK per week.
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:18am
  - Lance
    
    Fuck off you unhinged nazi
    Nobody wants your pathetic hate fuelled comments, as evidenced by the overwhelming downticks.
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:48am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Says the idiot lance, so bereft of ideas that he immediately resorts to calling someone a nazi.
      ANGRY FAIL.
      I laugh at you.
      
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      November 18, 2017 12:10pm
      - Brito
        
        SPLOOOGE-how was the GC? Please post photos of the V8 and the yacht – toys in the bath don’t count.
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:37pm
      - Brito
        
        SPLOOOGE was seen in his V8.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHamPILYTMk
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:39pm
- Harriet
  
  “….PNG is going to get $3m from NZ to manage the Manus Island refugees…..”
  
  To date Aussie I think has already paid them about a billion dollars to do exactly the same thing; shelter and feed them.
  
  NZ Labour is virtue signalling the wrong message. 😎
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:15am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The appropriate time is actually shoot the messenger me thinks
    
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    November 18, 2017 2:17pm
- KevOB
  
  With what money? Where is the relevant appropriation? Is it come out of the Parliamentary Labour Party leader’s budget?–that won’t leave much room for other spending.
  
  Public money is not for private purposes.
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:16am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The $3m for the economic queue jumpers is out of the overseas aid fund. I bet all those other countries we send aid to are really happy Cindy is syphoning off money that could have gone to them.
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:55am
    - KevOB
      
      Appropriations are not slush funds and money is voted for specific purposes within larger items. Shifting funds around may require the Auditor General’a approval and belated retrospective consent of parliament. A vote is a sum of specified items not a personal wallet.
      
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      November 18, 2017 9:57pm
- Gravelroad
  
  P, pornography and personal armament more likely.
  The $3m could go to the Salvation Army (or similar) to provide Christmas presents for a few thousand of the children in poverty.
  NB: apology if the use of the C word is inappropriate.
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:40am
  - waikatogirl
    
    We’re all for keeping “Christmas” here Gravel, even if we don’t all believe in bible stories. Traditional kiwi holiday, presents, the food is great, and forced time with those rellies you may normally wish to avoid.? ?
    
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    November 18, 2017 12:00pm
Manolo

A long article on the incompetence of the clownish Kelvin Davis, Deputy PM:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/98982731/labour-has-a-problem–we-need-to-talk-about-acting-prime-minister-kelvin-davis
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November 18, 2017 9:57am
- softail 1450
  
  manolo, Davis is destined for the shitter,no doubt about it .
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:07am
  - sooty
    
    Can’t be demoted, can only leave.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:33am
    - Paulus
      
      Angry will replace Davis shortly. The unions did not vote Cinderella in but they can remove her too under THEIR rules.
      
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      November 18, 2017 2:03pm
- Digmen1
  
  Why didn’t the MSM tell the public that Labour had a lot of light weights before the election?
  
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  November 18, 2017 11:15am
  - sooty
    
    Because the unions ordered the union members to run interferance.
    
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    November 18, 2017 5:04pm
Southern Raider

Another non negotiable policy from Winston now not happening.

Herald is reporting free to air sport has been pulled.

So
– get rid of Maori seats: gone
– free to air sport: gone
– no TTPA: gone

Anything else evaporated in last four weeks?
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November 18, 2017 10:12am
- Harriet
  
  Some of the currency. More to come.
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:16am
  - Paulus
    
    As the dollar drops so does the price of fuel go up.
    
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    November 18, 2017 2:04pm
- oldpark
  
  Maybe just like Karma catching Mugabe . He bluffed his way for 40 years. Guess who has been doing the same. Surely not.
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:25am
  - geoff3012
    
    Winston Mugabe.
    
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    November 18, 2017 10:53am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    If NZ had tanks, they would be on the streets, however, the NZLP anticipating this moment, albeit accidentally for the past two decades, have decimated the armed forces to the extent we can only afford a Uber Hummer on Thornton Quay until 9.00PM when the fare runs out.
    
    The Australians are right, we are bludgers and now we are heading to become basket case bludgers. We need some good fires in NSW so our firefighters can go over and restore our mana with our neighbours so they know we, the 64% who did not vote for the clusterfuck CoL, have got their back.
    
    And the boys will turn up with a dozen Lion Red for when those pesky flames are put out!
    
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    November 18, 2017 2:28pm
- Biscuit
  
  I still haven’t seen him outside the Pike River gates with his hard hat and torch…
  
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  November 18, 2017 11:46am
- david
  
  Referendum on Maori Seats
  
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  November 18, 2017 12:28pm
fernglas

Saw a great sticker on the back of a truck:

“Don’t steal my tools. I need them to pay your benefit”
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November 18, 2017 11:02am
- kowtow
  
  I saw one that went along the lines 0f
  
  “If guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns. “
  
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  November 18, 2017 2:01pm
  - sooty
    
    I saw one that said ” Warning. Protected by small handheld devices ” with a picture of a handgun.
    
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    November 18, 2017 5:07pm
- Piniwi
  
  Nice one fernglas like the other one. Carrots are good for your eyesight but alcohol is better as it give you DOUBLE vision. The other Two Moons.
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:46pm
Fletch

This is kind of funny. Jack Ma, one of the richest men in China and the co-founder of AliBaba, has produced a vanity project film in which he defeats 8 martial arts masters including the real Jet Li, Donny Yen, and Tony Ja. Apparently, it is to promote a yearly specials shopping day that AliBaba has. Ma practices Tai Chi in real life.

It’s still funny though, to see Ma walking into a room and all the women saying to each other “isn’t he cool”, etc…lol

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/jack-ma-alibaba-kung-fu-movie-gongshoudao-jet-li-donnie-yen-2017-11

Here’s the 22 minute film –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5QWgeIo9J0
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November 18, 2017 11:03am
Digmen1

If I was National’s head strategist I would not go too hard on the goverment just yet.

I wait for them to make a lot of mistakes and for the public to start to dislike their changes.

Wait till they are way down in the polls, and then attack and try for an early election.
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November 18, 2017 11:17am
- VicParking
  
  No early election. Labour, Greens and Winny are enjoying the trough to much to raise their heads and see the light.
  
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  November 18, 2017 11:22am
  - stigie
    
    Poverdy and homelessness has been fixed in 4 weeks by this new government because there’s nothing in the news.
    The fucking National government couldn’t fix it in 9 years !~
    What a disgrace the National Government was.//
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:43am
- Gravelroad
  
  They actually have strategists?
  What have they been doing for the last few years besides talking to each other on their phones?
  Might be time to get some new recruits who have some idea of what ordinary people want and how they think.
  
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  November 18, 2017 11:34am
  - PhilBest
    
    If they have strategists, they have spent the last 9 years saying “Helen was right, don’t change anything”.
    
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    November 18, 2017 4:21pm
Sofia

Horse-trading waka-jumping bill against Parihaka Day

This [Green] leak means the idea is utterly dead. There’s no way Labour or NZ First could look like they have been blackmailed into supporting Parihaka Day when they would have likely supported it anyway. – Martyn Martin Bradbury, being lucid for once

All this also detracts from any proper discussion of Winston’s waka-jumping bill.
Perhaps one needs to ask under what circumstances would an MP jump from New Zealand First and could such a need for integrity or honesty ever conceivably be greater than Winston and his party, and on past performance (where Winston HAS been caught short) the answer is YES.
The wake-jumping bill gives Winston more power than he should have, and one can already see what that does.

That the “obtained” email and caucus briefing note on the proposed horse-trading was from Green MP Golriz Ghahraman is somewhat ironic as she is possibly the one mostly likely at the moment to jump waka on principle.

Ardern, Winston’s choice, after the most extensive horse-trading to date in New Zealand political history, enforcing 70 or so changes or eliminations in Labour / NZF policy, altering what people voted for in a way more extensive than any waka-jumper is likely to ever achieve.
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November 18, 2017 11:48am
Morrissey

GROPERS
No. 3: Al Franken

Of the photo, he added: “I look at it now and I feel disgusted with myself… It’s obvious how Leeann would feel violated by that picture.”

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42018154

“GROPERS” is researched and presented by GroperWatch, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

No.1 George Herbert Walker Bush
No. 2 Bill O’Reilly
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November 18, 2017 11:53am
- Fletch
  
  You would also have to include Uncle Joe Biden –
  
  https://twitter.com/RAMRANTS/status/930065838387863552
  
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  November 18, 2017 11:56am
  - Morrissey
    
    Don’t worry, Fletch, that hypocritical bag of wind is on the list.
    
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    November 18, 2017 12:19pm
- Digmen1
  
  That girl Leeann Tweeden was a pretty hot model.
  
  I don’t have much time for these high profile girls, celebs, news readers, actresses who come out 5 or 10 years later.
  
  Why didn’t they say something then? To save others!
  
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  November 18, 2017 12:16pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  You’ve left out Iain Lees-Galloway
  
  https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/08/yet-hypocrisy-stenographer-rooter/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
  
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  November 18, 2017 12:30pm
  - Morrissey
    
    With respect, Keeping Stock, engaging in an affair, which seems to be the case with the stenographer, is qualitatively different from groping or hair-pulling, which are forms of assault.
    
    By all means criticize Iain Lees-Galloway, but criticize him for something he’s actually done wrong. Vide…..
    
    https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-06022015/#comment-964190
    
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    November 18, 2017 12:57pm
    - sooty
      
      Shagging the office staff is ok, morrison?
      
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      November 18, 2017 5:12pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Well, it’s not to be recommended. But if it’s consensual, it’s not a crime.
        
        On the other hand, pulling a woman’s hair, or man-handling her without permission, is a crime. Powerful people often get away with it, sadly….
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11437343
        
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        November 18, 2017 6:17pm
      - Brito
        
        You don’t understand how power works Morry. Cohesion and blackmail through power means often women have an office ‘affair’ to keep their jobs.
        
        Possibly something you are guilty of you dirty old shirt lifter?
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:48pm
Ross12

It may have been a “throw away” comment but someone needs to very quickly teach the new PM a bit about diplomacy.
See what happens when you can’t keep your childish mouth shut
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/360849-new-zealand-prime-minister-mocks-trump-no-one-marched-over-my

So it has got to DC now —NZ’s standing just dropped more than a few pegs. ( I know the DNC crowd will probably laugh but they don’t count at the moment)
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November 18, 2017 12:11pm
SPLOOGE

Another glorious day here in North Queensland.
Another glorious day in New Zealand with the equally wonderful breath of fresh air Jacinda Ardern as PRIME MINISTER of all New Zealanders.

God bless and I love you all.
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November 18, 2017 12:14pm
- starboard
  
  Ppfft..yeah whatever. They’re all laughfin at ya splurge ????
  
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  November 18, 2017 12:48pm
  - Viking2
    
    He ain’t in Queensland, he is on Manus.
    
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    November 18, 2017 5:29pm
- Brito
  
  SPLOOOGE working out to impress the girls/boys/roo’s.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4XeKc7U0rw
  
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  November 18, 2017 3:44pm
realityczech

This article shows how the media lies to us about climate change. They compare the scientific consensus on climate change to plate tectonics.

What they did not say is at that at the time plate tectonics was presented as a theory the scientific consensus rejected the theory as lunatic nonsense. The science establishment ignored contrary evidence

The lie:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2017/may/03/is-the-climate-consensus-97-999-or-is-plate-tectonics-a-hoax

What really happened:
“I had been told as an undergraduate at M.I.T. that good scientists did not work on foolish ideas like continental drift,” recalled Lynn Sykes, an emeritus professor of earth and environmental sciences at Columbia.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/weekinreview/16chang.html
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November 18, 2017 12:17pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, a rewrite of Science history..
  Those academies and Royal Societies that scoffed at Wegener and his drifting continent theory would like to forget their foul treatment of this extraordinary Meteorologist and Polar Explorer.
  
  https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/when-continental-drift-was-considered-pseudoscience-90353214/
  
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  November 18, 2017 12:29pm
  - realityczech
    
    What concerns me is that when the media instruct the sheeple to reject climate hysteria (and virtue signal about something else) real science will also lose credibility.
    
    We do have real environmental problems and we do have social ones. In the current narrative these things are all linked to a fabric of lies. When the lies are rejected we run the risk of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
    
    I am a greenie from way back and this climate change bullshit is the worst thing to have happened to environmentalism.
    
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    November 18, 2017 12:37pm
- Brito
  
  There we go, you can do it.
  
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  November 18, 2017 3:44pm
Ross12

All getting interesting in Germany. Even if she cobbles something together it suggests Merkel’s position will be seriously weakened

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/11/17/majority-germans-favour-snap-election-merkel-coalition-talks-stumble/
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November 18, 2017 12:21pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Virtue signalling immigration tolerance from her guarded home and bullet-proof car, while preaching redemption from non-existent human caused climate change by way of increased taxes and increased power bills.
  
  That she is in a position to cobble anything together is an indictment of the opposition parties.
  
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  November 18, 2017 12:39pm
  - Inandout
    
    I wonder if she cringes when shown this photo?
    https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/14945/production/_85839248_028957188-1.jpg
    
    The bodyguards look concerned but the Ahabs look happy.
    
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    November 18, 2017 3:57pm
- Morrissey
  
  Breitbart?
  
  You halfwit.
  
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  November 18, 2017 4:51pm
realityczech

The All Blacks have a history of cheating and dirty tactics, that is already known internationally. I suspect this is around their drug cheating which has been going on for years now.

” “I have heard of some things about the All Blacks that could be quite explosive if they were made public, and if it does get dirty then I will raise a couple of those things. At the moment I’m just keeping my counsel.”

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/99016268/warren-gatlands-explosive-insinuations-light-the-fuse-as-all-blackswales-looms
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November 18, 2017 12:27pm
- softail 1450
  
  realitychoke, seriously,are you off your medication today ?
  
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  November 18, 2017 12:49pm
- Morrissey
  
  The All Blacks have a history of cheating and dirty tactics, that is already known internationally.
  
  It reached its nadir in this farce, for which the non-referee is mainly to blame….
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XBqetaCfgo&t=13s
  
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  November 18, 2017 12:51pm
  - realityczech
    
    NZ the biggest cheats in world rugby
    
    https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/sport/nz-the-biggest-cheats-in-world-rugby-dwyer-674970
    
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    November 18, 2017 12:59pm
    - Brito
      
      And Dwyer wrote this in 2010. You are right up to date as usual. By the way WW2 ended in 1945.
      
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      November 18, 2017 3:48pm
- Brito
  
  wah wah wah…Gatland, we were robbed, the Welsh don’t cheat, the English have never used drugs, wah wah wah
  
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  November 18, 2017 3:46pm
Morrissey

Deadbeat Dads
No.1: Who fathered this cowardly sack of ****?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11737059
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November 18, 2017 12:48pm
- realityczech
  
  Why do you hate hetrosexuals ?
  
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  November 18, 2017 12:51pm
  - Morrissey
    
    I hate bullies and cowards—especially pampered rich ones like that waste of oxygen.
    
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    November 18, 2017 12:58pm
    - realityczech
      
      He didn’t bully anyone. It was just a harmless comment. You seem triggered by straight people.
      
      How do you feel about Labour’s people sexually assaulting young boys and having them running terrified and naked through the streets to escape ?
      
      Or is gay rape okay ?
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/4809631/MP-Darren-Hughes-resigns-following-scandal
      
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      November 18, 2017 1:00pm
      - Morrissey
        
        You’re a fruitcake.
        
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        November 18, 2017 1:21pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        You’re a fruitcake.
        
        That’s unfair. A good fruitcake is useful and tastes nice.
        
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        November 18, 2017 1:37pm
      - softail 1450
        
        max key is a spoilt little piece of dog shit,an entitled little prick who thinks he has a god like status with people around his own age….fucking idiot.
        
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        November 18, 2017 2:03pm
      - Brito
        
        I need to lie down. Two sensible things today. Medic!!!
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:50pm
      - Morrissey
        
        BRITO: I need to lie down. Two sensible things today. Medic!!!
        
        BREEN: Here’s a doctor just for you, my friend….
        
        https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2011/06/03/582ff534-3a2f-11e3-a4cb-047d7b15b92e/eve_603_SMITH_copy.jpg
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:26pm
      - Brito
        
        Morrissey what a nasty thing to say. I’m going to have a serious look at your comments from this point forward.
        
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        November 18, 2017 5:09pm
    - realityczech
      
      How do you feel about Labour’s people sexually assaulting young boys and having them running terrified and naked through the streets to escape ?
      
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      November 18, 2017 1:33pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        How do you feel about Labour’s people sexually assaulting young boys and having them running terrified and naked through the streets to escape ?
        
        What he can say is that this government’s expenditure will be affordable and at an acceptable percentage of GDP.
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:55pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        M as a gold class hypocrite has no problem with Ginger MPs raping young men …
        
        … it’s OK when the Left do it!
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:55pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        How do you feel about Labour’s people sexually assaulting young boys and having them running terrified and naked through the streets to escape ?
        
        What he can say is that safety will be paramount before there is any re-entry to the mine.
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:56pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        How do you feel about Labour’s people sexually assaulting young boys and having them running terrified and naked through the streets to escape ?
        
        What he can say is that he will continue to be relentlessly positive.
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:57pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        How do you feel about Labour’s people sexually assaulting young boys and having them running terrified and naked through the streets to escape ?
        
        What he can say is that the number one priority will be to eliminate child poverty.
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:58pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        How do you feel about Labour’s people sexually assaulting young boys and having them running terrified and naked through the streets to escape ?
        
        What he can say is that GST will be payable on Amazon purchases/no it won’t/yes it will/no it won’t.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:01pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        How do you feel about Labour’s people sexually assaulting young boys and having them running terrified and naked through the streets to escape ?
        
        What he can say is that the OECD average parental leave entitlement is 88 weeks.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:02pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        How do you feel about Labour’s people sexually assaulting young boys and having them running terrified and naked through the streets to escape ?
        
        What he can say is that the TPP will not proceed.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:04pm
    - Inandout
      
      Yet you love Antifa bullies.
      
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      November 18, 2017 3:59pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Oh yes, Antifa bullies. They’re like those bullies called “freedom riders” from the early 1960s aren’t they. What terrible bullies those Antifa guys and gals are to stand up to—sorry, “bully”—armed fascists and KKK members.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:47pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Thugs are thugs Morrissey. Political extremism leads to thuggery. It does not matter if it comes from the far left or the far right. Antifa and the alt right are two sides of the same coin.
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:58pm
      - Brito
        
        You have the nerve to compare freedom riders with Antifa.
        
        They goin’ ta come get you boy and paddle you but good.’
        
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        November 18, 2017 5:11pm
      - Morrissey
        
        You have the nerve to compare freedom riders with Antifa.
        
        Are you pretending that you would have supported the freedom riders?
        
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        November 18, 2017 5:21pm
      - Brito
        
        Of course, you mung bean eating, sandal wearing lefty troll.
        
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        November 18, 2017 9:51pm
  - sooty
    
    John Key has left the building! Get with it morrison.
    
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    November 18, 2017 5:15pm
- JibberJabber
  
  Lol Morris, sent over by the Standard to be an Agent Provocateur, ends up as an Agent Pathetique with its sad and feeble links.
  
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  November 18, 2017 1:15pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Correct, JibberJabber, that was indeed a link to something sad and feeble. Here’s a bit more on that untalented fool and his slightly more talented big sister….
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbxcMX4DgmM
    
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    November 18, 2017 1:29pm
    - JibberJabber
      
      Ha ha Morry, you need a better ~~obsession~~ hobby, the Key children are yesterdays news.
      
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      November 18, 2017 1:49pm
      - Morrissey
        
        The topic is “Deadbeat Dads”—the likes of Max Key are the result of lax or bad parenting.
        
        Keep an eye out for Deadbat Dad No. 2, tomorrow.
        
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        November 18, 2017 2:02pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        the likes of Max Key are the result of lax or bad parenting.
        
        Teens and young adults do and say stupid things regardless of how good their upbringing has been, because they are young. Calling Key a deadbeat dad because his son says some stupid things at times is pretty lame.
        
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        November 18, 2017 2:11pm
Doubledimp

Maybe the Labour government could offer Robert Mugabe political asylum in exchange for acting as a consultant. Because if you are going to crash the economy, why not make sure you do it properly?
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November 18, 2017 12:50pm
Manolo

Has anyone seen the venal Mr Peters lately? Is he back on his feet?
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November 18, 2017 1:17pm
- softail 1450
  
  manolo,,,apparently the drunken gnome is suffering from a very serious affliction known as “departure gate syndrome “, no matter how he tries he just wants to be at the airport repeatedly.
  it’s usually much more serious than sex addiction as the cost of international air travel is so high,but of course the gnome doesn’t have to pay one red cent so his addiction is far more serious and debilitating..
  
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  November 18, 2017 1:49pm
  - realityczech
    
    Softy, I can understand you feeling bitter as you can’t even get out of Gore for the weekend 🙂
    
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    November 18, 2017 1:51pm
    - softail 1450
      
      realitychoke,”gore” is that your mamas name?
      
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      November 18, 2017 1:57pm
- Inandout
  
  Last spotted at a Koru lounge, sipping free spirits.
  
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  November 18, 2017 4:01pm
Fletch

Reposted from late last night. Is soy turning men into girlie-boys? 😆

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTSvLKY7HEk
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November 18, 2017 1:30pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Consider the Japanese…
  Soy-eating herbivore men
  
  http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2009/06/the_herbivores_dilemma.html
  
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  November 18, 2017 1:53pm
  - realityczech
    
    Asians tend to eat fermented soy which is okay. Not the same tasteless stuff white middle class urban pricks pretend to like.
    
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    November 18, 2017 2:33pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      High consumption of fermented soy products correlates with high level of gastric cancer
      
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21070479
      
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      November 18, 2017 4:07pm
- Inandout
  
  I would say there is truth to this, and can point to TV personalities who are testosterone-deficient. The Garner show has one or two who show their faces from time to time, and then there is Jack Tame.
  
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  November 18, 2017 4:06pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    And Matt, and the censoring corksoakers who cut, so we can not be adults
    
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    November 18, 2017 6:04pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  How dare you, sir!
  
  Japan. The land of the long, white tofu.
  Food of champions.
  
  My favorite: Hiyayakko Tofu
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52dalSifBJI
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXsCI5P115Q
  
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  November 18, 2017 5:23pm
  - Johnboy
    
    All the Japper pornos I’ve seen indicate a race of men with very short cocks. That might be why they pixelate a lot of them? 🙂
    Come back Odda! 🙂
    
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    November 18, 2017 6:09pm
Manolo

Closing ranks to defend themselves:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/17/senate-ethics-committee-could-soon-be-busy-with-franken-menendez-heres-what-it-does.html

One sitting senator was accused this week of sexual misconduct and another’s bribery trial ended in a mistrial. And another potential senator has also been accused of sexually assaulting teenage girls decades ago.

Republicans and Democrats have called on the ethics committee to investigate Sen. Al Franken, D-Minn., after accusations that he inappropriately touched and forcibly kissed a woman came to light. Franken, too, apologised for his actions and called for a probe.
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November 18, 2017 1:36pm
- realityczech
  
  Why are so many Trump haters sexual deviates and rapists?
  
  The ratio is well above what you would expect in the general population. The correlation between dishonesty/sex offending and Trump hating is remarkable.
  
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  November 18, 2017 1:43pm
  - Brito
    
    I definitely need my heart pills. Three sensible things!
    
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    November 18, 2017 3:52pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Statistics and damned lies is all I can say. I quite like Trumpie and I’m madly in love with various sheep! 🙂
    
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    November 18, 2017 4:22pm
  - Inandout
    
    Democrats are well represented among the deviates and this is logical when you think of it. They are the ones who are pushing the boundaries with anything relating to sex because it helps cover their actions. The more liberal society is the easier it is for them to operate, and Hollywood appears saturated with dodgy actors and producers.
    
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    November 18, 2017 4:47pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      How does that explain the pedophile scandal in the Catholic Church?
      
      A more likely reason than the “it’s because they are liberals and Trump haters” (courtesy of RC) is to look at the common denominator in both cases, which is men + power.
      
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      November 18, 2017 4:55pm
RF

Currently relaxing at a work BBQ where there are around 20 adults of both sexes.

Our dear PM has been the centre of a discussion and its interesting to hear that she is not at all popular. In fact any fairy dust that she was sprinkling around a few weeks ago has disappeared and many did not believe she was going to last the distance.

Although no one discussed who they voted for it was obvious to me that out of the group only a
couple who were females supported her. The concerns were the promises to throw cash around, breaking election promises and trying to dictate how Australia should sort out the Manus Island thugs.

The general feeling is that Ardern is a nasty little madam and has an adgenda thats it’s all about her. She has been quick to learn about the baubles of office from Peters.

Several were laughing that the host on News Talk ZB who I think was Tim Beveridge suggested last night that Ardern should shut up and mind her own business.

That surprised me as I always thought he was a lefty.
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November 18, 2017 2:11pm
- wiseowl
  
  Someone from the government needs to inspect your BBQ.
  It’s unfair if there are no LGBGT representatives present!
  
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  November 18, 2017 4:22pm
- Johnboy
  
  What sort of work do you do on a Saturday RF?
  Are you a Seventh Day Adventist old chap? 🙂
  
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  November 18, 2017 4:33pm
  - RF
    
    I am just a humble consultant that attended a clients BBQ for free food and booze.
    
    I was surprised by the intense dislike for Ardern as the perception is that out of nowhere she has just turned up and suddenly Wonder Woman has the answer to all our problems.
    
    She is moving on from sorting out Aussie after being handed her arse and now targeting North Korea to save the world.
    
    A combination of goody two shoes and Nanny McPhee.
    
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    November 18, 2017 4:59pm
    - Johnboy
      
      They also serve who only stand and avoid the smoke and splatter but still manage to consult and consume the clients largess RF old chap! 🙂
      
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      November 18, 2017 5:02pm
- Inandout
  
  Cindy acts like a young petulant Queen Victoria, before she got pulled into line by a male. Now if Gayford can act like a Prince Albert we may see a change in our anointed PM, however the closest he may get to an Albert is at a clinic.
  
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  November 18, 2017 4:53pm
  - Johnboy
    
    So you watched that drama on TV1 too old chap!
    Quite good I thought, though I find it hard to believe that she ever actually looked quite as tidy as Jenna Coleman! 🙂
    
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    November 18, 2017 4:58pm
- MCos
  
  Last few times I ever went to work functions would have been in Thailand.
  Nobody discussed local politics with the expats because they didn’t know who to trust.
  The exception was one Thai guy who’d been out of the country for extended periods and didn’t care what he said. We were the ones looking over our shoulders. All it takes is for some offended local to bring charges and it’s a secret trial and off to prison!
  
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  November 18, 2017 6:01pm
- MCos
  
  “Currently relaxing at a work BBQ”
  
  Must be a riveting bunch of people if you need to fiddle with your iPhone for entertainment.
  Where do you work? The crematorium?
  
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  November 18, 2017 11:32pm
cmm

Cindy says NZ ready to intervene in North Koreas…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11945415

Ok sweetie, whatever you want to believe: Winnie can take his kapa haka group and you can do some selfies and everyone will be BFFs and put away their bombs and you can get a Nobel Peace Prize.

Doesn’t she understand yet that this is the real world? It is no place for a dreaming teen ager.
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November 18, 2017 3:40pm
- Brito
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1w3Lm_gu-ZY
  
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  November 18, 2017 3:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The sooner Winnie gets up there and introduces Kim et al. to our TAB, the better for World Peace.
  
  https://nypost.com/2017/10/16/north-korea-allows-racetrack-gambling-to-bring-in-new-money/
  
  Our Minister of Racing can save all.
  
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  November 18, 2017 4:01pm
- krazykiwi
  
  The party would last until Kim’s guys responded to a haka with machine guns.
  
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  November 18, 2017 4:18pm
Harriet

“…..The general feeling is that Ardern is a nasty little madam and has an adgenda thats it’s all about her. …”

No it’s not about her……International leftist at heart……wants to be seen by the European elite, Hulun at the UN, Hillary and Pelozi drones and queers like Tredaeu that she can stand up to the evil right; capitalists, strong border governments, NRA supporters, rule of law, private institutions, public institutions, Christians, families, liberty, freedom, Israel……history.

She is another who thinks leadership, governance and responsibility is solely about signalling the louuvvve narrative. And spending other people’s money.
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November 18, 2017 3:58pm
Johnboy

Ah. At last an explaination for Gareth Morgans insanity. Taenia solium! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/99013710/surgeon-finds-parasites-including-27cm-worm-inside-injured-north-korean-defector
And if you ever wondered why he hates cats so much! 🙂
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/toxoplasmosis/symptoms-causes/syc-20356249
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November 18, 2017 4:09pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Looks like the North Korean was full of roundworms (Ascaris lumbricoides) not tapeworms.
  http://www.newsweek.com/north-korea-gruesome-facts-about-roundworm-parasite-can-grow-two-feet-and-live-713601
  
  Don’t think the poor KPA plods get to dine on pork.
  
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  November 18, 2017 4:45pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I knew it would be easy to get you scuttling across your pond Maggy! 🙂
    God I love a horny. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolomedes_aquaticus#/media/File:Dolomedes_aquaticus.jpg
    
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    November 18, 2017 4:50pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      You know I find your Latin charms irresistable… tho’ I can’t explain why my screen goes blank when I click your link.
      
      But seriously JB, why don’t you head up to NK with your drench-gun and sort out their worm problem.
      
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      November 18, 2017 5:30pm
Johnboy

Thank God none of Lucia’s cats need her to change their litter boxes. She’s trained the little buggers to do it themselves! 🙂
http://www.johnlund.com/page/800/cat-dressed-as-a-dominatrix-and-wielding-a-whip-while-standing-on-a-red-background.asp
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November 18, 2017 4:14pm
Manolo

Meanwhile in NZ comrade Ardern and her socialist followers go in the other direction:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/16/house-republicans-pass-tax-reform-bill.html

House Republicans on Thursday passed a monumental bill to cut taxes on businesses and individuals, the biggest step yet in the GOP’s once-in-a-generation effort to overhaul the American tax system.
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November 18, 2017 4:55pm
Morrissey

What about Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly and Roger Ailes?

As you watch the loathsome Tucker Carlson chuntering on in this masterpiece of selective outrage, consider how little concern he shows for the victims of Harvey Weinstein, and how obsessed he is with emphasizing that Weinstein is a “liberal” (if someone on the right wing of the Democratic Party can so be described)….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Fnzww1KuN4
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November 18, 2017 5:02pm
- Brito
  
  Ah yes, Winestain the liberal rapist! Where would you put the rapist president Clinton on the democrat spectrum? He’s the leading right wing democrat.
  
  All Democrats are rapists.
  
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  November 18, 2017 5:14pm
  - nasska
    
    Touch up your Aunt but not your Uncle.
    
    Groom your Niece but not your Nephew.
    
    Make inappropriate remarks to your Daughter but not your Son.
    
    Weinsteins’ theory of relativity.
    
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    November 18, 2017 5:21pm
  - Morrissey
    
    Brito, have you contacted that doctor I recommended?
    
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    November 18, 2017 5:30pm
    - Brito
      
      Yes I did. He’s fully booked but understands that you’re suffering (and so are we) so he’s made a space for you on Monday.
      
      It’s on me.
      
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      November 18, 2017 10:36pm
Johnboy

How did our country manage to survive for so long without such a deeply profound and thinking politician like Jacinda! 🙂
Every day I get down on my knees and thank Winston for his vision! 🙂
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/99016477/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-north-korea-is-a-real-threat
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November 18, 2017 5:29pm
- niggly
  
  That Jacinda, spouting her mouth off again!
  
  I mean how wise is it for her to talk frankly about North Korean aggression … when at the same time also wanting her Foreign Minister to visit the place to ease tensions?
  
  She doesn’t get it yet again, doesn’t she, that when it comes to diplomacy and foreign affairs every word or sentence spoken carries weight, is scrutinised accordingly so watch what one says (plus it could jeopardise Winston’s efforts and neutrality – I’m sure he (and the Americans) won’t be amused)!
  
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  November 18, 2017 5:53pm
- tusker
  
  Johnboy. I too was deeply shocked to learn from Cindy that the DPKR was a ‘genuine and real threat’. I mean, who knew? I thank providence every day, for our wise and all knowing leader and how she is ever willing to teach us the right way to think.
  
  I’d like to believe her nebulous pontifications on the hermit kingdom were just the idealistic thoughts of a naive dreamer but given the two H’s pulling the strings of the coalition, this will have been a carefully considered play. They would be well aware that the dysfunctional UN has zero chance of initiating any meaningful action against the DPKR, with this weeks vetoing of action against the vile swine Assad making that abundantly clear. So she is perfectly safe saying NZ would join a UN led intervention, knowing Russia, China and its economic serf state countries would immediately block it.
  
  She knows it will never happen but can pretend to the minority who voted for her that she is ‘one tough leader chick, not to be messed with’. Cheap sabre rattling, safe in the knowledge she’ll never be called on it.
  
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  November 18, 2017 7:04pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    How interesting to see Jacinda and Labour trumpeting Trump.
    
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    November 18, 2017 7:41pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Gee, can someone in Labour make up their mind about the Pike Mine recovery?

Even Pete George is getting a bit suspicious of Labour’s commitment to reenter the mine.
https://yournz.org/2017/11/18/little-softening-on-pike-river-re-entry/

Let’s all remember Jacinda’s pledge

“We’ve always had specialist advice that says it is possible to do a safe, manned re-entry and that’s what we’ve committed to,” Ms Ardern said.

“[In the last seven years] we’ve had lies, we’ve had broken promises, and we’re quite frankly sick of it.”
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November 18, 2017 5:48pm
- RF
  
  More bull shit from Labour proving that National had the right idea…. safety first……
  
  This is becoming a habit…..
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:15pm
Viking2

Yep well here is a comment on that.

https://www.facebook.com/crazygirlinc/photos/a.270483353146181.1073741828.270480973146419/736213479906497/?type=3&theater
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November 18, 2017 5:50pm
Morrissey

Prime Minister Ardern quips: ‘You know, no-one marched when I was elected.’

https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/new-zealand-prime-minister-roasts-trump.html?utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s1

That’s true—but there WAS some vomiting of bile by a small group of dyspeptic hate-filled extremists….

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/10/cartoon-of-the-day-580/

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/10/foundation-economic-education-says-jacinda-clueless/
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November 18, 2017 5:52pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘‘You know, no-one marched when I was elected.’
  Give it time
  The broken promises and lies are starting to pile up.
  
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  November 18, 2017 5:56pm
  - MCos
    
    I thought I read somewhere else above that it’s beneath the dignity of the so called ‘silent majority’ to march in the streets.
    In truth the motivation just isn’t there. The people who get out in any numbers are those who are young enough to believe they can change the world.
    Most people would know that the new boss is going to be much the same as the old boss.
    
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    November 18, 2017 11:54pm
Manolo

What an incompetent Deputy PM Kelvin Davis has turned out to be. His farcical performance in the House last week has attracted attention to his limited abilities.
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November 18, 2017 7:23pm
- Johnboy
  
  Don’t be so cruel Manolo. He’s one of the best examples of a token Murri I’ve ever seen mate! 🙂
  
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  November 18, 2017 7:25pm
  - Manolo
    
    Imagine that token Deputy PM representing NZ in an international event, and the laughter around him when Davis opens his mouth. Embarrassing.
    
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    November 18, 2017 7:42pm
    - Johnboy
      
      It’ll never happen mate. Kelvin will only get to represent Mule at local indigenous events where the Murri can get to feel chuffed that a bro like him is so important. Gotta keep those apartheid seats on Labours side! 🙂
      
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      November 18, 2017 8:08pm
- RF
  
  A couple of days ago I mentioned that socialist Cindy might just make an example of one of her ministers who were not performing. She needs to prove she has the balls to be tough.
  
  Davis could be the one.
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:05pm
  - nasska
    
    Nah! Give Davis the arse & the loss of mana would have the other Maori MPs staging a walkout. She can’t afford to piss off the unionists or the gays either.
    
    Reckon she’ll have to suck up & practise her death stare while the world laughs at her.
    
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    November 18, 2017 8:17pm
Digmen1

We should have marched.
We should have demanded Winstons arrest for treachery.
We should have blockaded the governor Generals house.
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November 18, 2017 7:24pm
- treadingthemill
  
  You, and the tiny number of people who might have joined you, would have looked like deranged loons.
  
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  November 18, 2017 7:41pm
- RF
  
  It’s OK when the left do it.
  
  Let’s do this now…..
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:01pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    I don’t remember the left in New Zealand ever protesting the result of an election. I think some people here spend too much time reading American politics, and have become confused as to which country they live in.
    
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    November 18, 2017 8:08pm
    - Johnboy
      
      You could be right there mill old chap. When I woke up and realised that a dreadful little wizened dwarf with only 7% of the popular vote got to appoint our rulers for the next three years I started to think that I’d gone to sleep in NZ and woken up in Zimbabwe! 🙂
      
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      November 18, 2017 8:18pm
nasska

…..”would have looked like deranged loons.”…..

In any other part of the world you may well be right. Fortunately in NZ we encourage fat, useless natives to bare their wobbly, poorly tattooed arses, poke their tongues out, roll their eyes & act like primitive retards on meth.

Faced with competition like this acting sufficiently deranged to be noticed would be a challenge.
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November 18, 2017 7:52pm
- waikatogirl
  
  …..”would have looked like deranged loons.”…..
  
  You’d have to admit no one wants to be seen like some of those protesters we see on our TV screens:
  
  – Sue Bradford
  – Penny Bright
  – Tama Iti
  – …
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:21pm
- Johnboy
  
  That’s always worried me too nasska. When I see fat brown slugs with naked arse’s dancing in front of distinguished visitors to our sceptered isle I cringe with utter embarrassment. To cap it all the poor sods have to rub their nose’s on the snotty, vivid markered creeps. I often wonder what they say to each other after the event! 🙂
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:30pm
  - nasska
    
    If I never see another bit of Maoritanga I’ll die a happy man JB.
    
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    November 18, 2017 8:34pm
    - sooty
      
      Do they do morrissey dancing as well?
      
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      November 18, 2017 10:12pm
MCos

Genuine story in English language newspaper in Thailand today

‘Police suggest sudden death of Norwegian could be due to cold weather in Thailand’

Chap had recently reterned from Oslo.
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November 18, 2017 8:14pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda Ardern sides with war-mongerers.

Hard left analysis
https://rdln.wordpress.com/2017/11/18/marching-for-jacinda/
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November 18, 2017 8:32pm
- treadingthemill
  
  The Communists hate Jacinda and think she’s a capitalist warmonger? Who would have thought?
  
  Some of the people here really should hang around blogs like that a bit, it might give them a more realistic perspective.
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:59pm
rightoverlabour

When your support base starts deserting you, you know you got problems. I wonder how long it is before she thinks” stuff this” and chucks it in.? Her ministers are useless, she has the Greens and Winston to deal with and a very determined, active opposition sniping at every opportunity. I almost feel sorry for her.
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November 18, 2017 8:40pm
- treadingthemill
  
  How do you know Labour’s support base is deserting them?
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:48pm
  - pdm
    
    How do you know it is not?
    
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    November 18, 2017 9:44pm
All_on_Red

So Ardern wants the Manus Island refugees and ‘Climate Change’ refugees.
For someone who ran on reducing immigration she seems real keen on more immigrants.
Lie# ?- heck, I’ve lost count.
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November 18, 2017 8:45pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  All in a name (insert preference.)
  
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  November 18, 2017 8:55pm
noskire

This “coalition” won’t last a year – actually six months is probably a stretch.
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November 18, 2017 9:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Jacinda wants us to have a Happiness Index
https://yournz.org/2017/11/18/ardern-interview-on-the-nation/

(well, in truth – she wants us to have a Conversation about having a Happiness Index).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5otmvBSUJw
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November 18, 2017 9:23pm
pdm

Ni sa bula vinaka FIJI!!!!!

What an embarrassment the NZ Rugby League team is – but well done Fiji you deserved your win.
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November 18, 2017 9:31pm
Nookin

An incredible achievement by the Kiwis against Fiji. Plumbed the depths of ineptitude against Tonga and tonight they went even deeper.
And these guys get paid for that?
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November 18, 2017 9:32pm
- noskire
  
  As with the “Warriors”, if they laid off the coke for a bit they may actually be able to win a game.
  
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  November 18, 2017 9:39pm
nasska

Imagine what it would be like watching your South Auckland girlfriend putting on her pyjamas……

You wouldn’t know if she’s going to bed or going shopping.
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November 18, 2017 9:47pm
- rangitoto
  
  I’m told Palmy North is like that too.
  
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  November 18, 2017 10:00pm
Manolo

Trump reconsiders an incredibly foolish decision:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-halts-decision-allow-elephant-trophy-imports-uproar-100051721.html
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November 19, 2017 7:18am
Hugh Pavletich

The latest RBNZ survey of house price expectations brings a sharp dive in those seeing gains in the future. In fact capital gains may have vanished; the risk is now to the downside … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/news/90954/latest-rbnz-survey-house-price-expectations-brings-sharp-dive-those-seeing-gains-future

Each quarter, the RBNZ conducts a survey of household expectations.

(Well, actually they take data from the UMR Research “nation-wide telephone omnibus survey”.)

The questions the Reserve Bank is interested in relate to consumer price inflation and also house price inflation.

Specifically, the questions about expected house price inflation are: … read more via hyperlink above …

Check out the graphs near the top at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org (currently in the process of being updated) to compare the New Zealand and Australian housing bubbles with the earlier Irish one.

Remember … we discussed the Irish housing market at Kiwiblog back in June … again … (then Government / National Party supporters … who clearly did not welcome my comments … note downticks !) …

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/07/general_debate_20_july_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1971764

LEARNING FROM THE IRISH 2007 HOUSING CRASH … THE SEVERE COSTS OF MULTIPLE STRETCH …

It’s high multiple lending that ‘does in’ the Banks and their customers … as they learned with the Irish housing bubble collapse in 2007.

The New Zealand Banks are in no hurry to repeat the 2007 Irish experience … when the housing bubble burst there … putting all its Banks to the wall and requiring bailouts exceeding 70 billion euro or about $NZ 109 billion.

Irish housing across its metros on average went from 4.7 times annual household income in 2007 to 2.8 a few years later … refer the schedule of Demographia Surveys at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .

Australia is currently 5.5 times … New Zealand 5.9.

Why should the New Zealand and Australian Banks be more resilient than the Irish ones ?

What was the capital base of the Irish Banks in 2006 and 2007 ?

If a 4.7 unweighted median multiple across its metros blew the Irish banks out of the water, how come ours are supposed to survive 5.5 and 5.9 respectively with (in New Zealand’s case) a skinny capital base of just $NZ30 billion and a $NZ1 trillion (CoreLogic estimate) housing market with in excess of half it bubble value ?

Following the bust, the Central Bank of Ireland found it was high income multiple lending that did the most damage to the Irish Banks … and it imposed a general lending cap of 3.5 times annual household incomes.

A year earlier the Bank of England had capped at 4.5 times.

In normal housing markets house prices should not exceed 3.0 times annual household income, requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times (Demographia Survey).

The days of housing inflation are over. That’s for sure.

Welcome to the real world.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/06/general_debate_8_june_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1946526

Make a point of watching this excellent interview … where the antics of the twits from Merrill Lynch get mentioned as well …

Prof Bill Black & others discuss the Irish financial system performance … Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
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