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Arden is going to ruin our relationship with Australia and put our special class visa at risk. Shut your mouth..you speak for no one.
Arden..not my PM.
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November 17, 2017 8:01am
- Sofia
  
  “This government stopped the boats and will not enter into any arrangement that restarts the boats.’’
  
  Translation – Any solution that provides a satisfactory destination for these people will re-start the human-trafficking.
  
  Ardern – Winston’s choice.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:21am
- doggone7
  
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  Strange, I thought Ms Ardern is the Prime Minister of New Zealand. In that role I’d think she speaks for New Zealand.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:23am
  - Paulus
    
    “I speak for myself” and you had all better listen and do as I say.
    I have all the answers.
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:27am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “In that role I’d think she speaks for New Zealand.”
    
    Not for me she bloody doesn’t.
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:38am
    - KevOB
      
      She’s a b. amateur with ideology for a brain, appointed by a wily senile old codger and promoted by the TUC who have control of the party.
      
      The quicker this government is removed the better.
      ☑️☑️
      
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      November 17, 2017 8:45am
    - oldgolfer
      
      Nor me and never will.
      
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      November 17, 2017 8:47am
  - big bruv
    
    She does not speak for me, she is not my PM.
    
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    November 17, 2017 9:34am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Yes she is.
      ……….Jacinda Ardern………
      PRIME MINISTER of all New Zealanders.
      But here, have a hanky big bruv, you seem to be not only in denial but a wee bit upset.
      Now I made you a fresh cup of cement so you can harden up a bit.
      
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      November 17, 2017 12:02pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Ms Ardern is the appointed PM of New Zealand.
    
    Appointed by the unions
    Appointed by Winston Peters
    Created by the MSM
    
    She’s a mere puppet PM.
    
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    November 17, 2017 10:26am
    - Jack5
      
      Jacinderella appointed?
      
      Stuff republishes a fawning report by Sam Sachdeva at Newsroom saying Ardern was anointed Prime Minister.
      
      Anointment is a religious ceremony conferring office on a king, queen, or holder of a religious office.
      
      Maybe Stuff should put in a pay wall – a pay -per-item one – so they can discover what people think of this crap.
      
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      November 17, 2017 10:46am
    - SPLOOGE
      
      Actually it goes like this.
      The coalition that has over 50% will be the one that forms the government.
      National manged just 46% and because they were seen to be arrogant and entitled no other party wanted to join them which is hardly surprising with the way they treated Peters.
      You can’t undermine and ridicule the man and then expect him to roll over after that.
      National lost and it was their stupid fault, or more to the point,Stephen (pretty legal) Joyce’s fault.
      Suck it up losers.
      
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      November 17, 2017 12:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Cut out the middleman…
  let’s deal with the real deal….(and give them $3M along the way)
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-11-16/manus-island:-peter-dutton-takes-a-swipe-at-nz/9159288
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:37am
  - KevOB
    
    Why not gift them $NZ 20.000 ea.
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:49am
  - Jack5
    
    And the NZ Refugee Council sticks its oar in … Stuff reports:
    
    But Ardern has been urged by the Greens and the New Zealand Refugee Council to start talking directly with Port Moresby.
    
    While the Refugee Council is interfering, perhaps it can tell us about the identity of its former secretary, Kailesh Thanabalasingham, killed with family members in an unexplained house fire.
    
    Was Kailesh Thanabalasingham the Kailesh Thanabalasingham, of same age and ethnicity, who was deported from Canada as leader of a violent criminal gang?
    
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    November 17, 2017 10:29am
    - Duxton
      
      “But Ardern has been urged by the Greens and the New Zealand Refugee Council to start talking directly with Port Moresby.”
      
      Good luck with that.
      
      “Hello, Mr O’Neill. We think your country is far too terrible for these ‘refugees’, so give them to us.”
      
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      November 17, 2017 11:36am
- Morrissey
  
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  Good Lord!
  
  https://i2.wp.com/scoopess.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/the-dumbest-thing-1.jpg?resize=600%2C300&ssl=1
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:14am
- Viking2
  
  Peter Dutton, Minister for Immigration and Border Protection since 2014 during an interview yesterday said that if Ardern persists in her persistence then Australia will withdraw ALL privileges New Zealanders enjoy, and upgrade the requirement arrivals from NZ must apply for a Special Category Visa (subclass 444) (SCV) on arrival in Australia, subject to meeting certain health and character requirements. So to provide the humanitarian outreach to 150 people will cause great inconvenience to 500,000 New Zealanders each year, every year. This is a repeat of Helen Clark’s amnesty for 9000 overstayers which precipitated the withdrawal of welfare and support services to kiwis arriving in Australia post 2001.
  
  Time she shut her stupid face. Time someone told her to do so.
  
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  November 17, 2017 5:23pm
  - realityczech
    
    Australia should slam the door in NZ’s face until further notice. They owe us nothing and we are a backdoor into Aussie for dodgy immigrants. There is nothing in this for them.
    
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    November 17, 2017 5:31pm
EAD_TWO

The pendulum has swung so far now that those who once preached “tolerance” have transitioned into the age of digital book burning as Twitter removes the blue ticks and verification of popular alt right Twitter personalities such as Tommy Robinson and the wonderful “With with a Purpose”.

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-11-16/ticked-off-twitter-removes-verified-status-from-controversial-users/

We’re at the stage now whereby pointing out that 3rd world immigration has been a disaster for Western countries or extolling the wonders of being a stay at home mum is now considered “hate” and “extremism”.

“When you tear out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say – George Martin
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November 17, 2017 8:02am
- Rodney Randall
  
  In response to his de-verification, Mr Robinson wrote “the truth is now hate speech”.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:31am
- Random T Person
  
  Oh please man, Twitter isn’t required to provide ‘free speech’, it can do as it bloody well pleases. And for these so called hard men to be crying a river of tears because they lost a meaningless status symbol – the ‘blue tick’ – get over it. Twitter, Facebook, whatever, all a load of ego-driven cobblers awls.
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:06am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    “And for these so called hard men to be crying a river of tears because they lost a meaningless status symbol – the ‘blue tick’ ”
    
    The TARGETED removal of the Blue tick can be seen as a softening in traditional opposition to such efforts and to the OIC, in order to curry favor with the Islamic world.
    
    In 2009 the United Nations forum passed resolutions condemning “defamation of religion” as a human rights violation. Currently the resolutions are non binding…
    
    “The Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC), has sponsored and actually pushed to passage a U.N. resolution calling on countries to criminalize what it terms “defamation of religion.” Though the language of these resolutions has changed at times, the OIC’s goal has remained the same—to impose at the international level a conception of freedom of speech and expression that would severely limit anything deemed critical of or offensive to Islam or Muslims.”
    
    Islam makes one very big claim for itself: That it is the FINAL and UNALTERBALE word of God.
    
    The other fantastic claim is that these assertions are not to be challenged in any shape or form. Law tha proposes to police/prosecute against any criticism of Islam, be it cartoons, speech or written word serves to reinforce the following statement:
    
    Islam is a totalitarism regime.
    
    When Twitter silences opposition to Islam, it becomes a proxy for the aims of the O.I.C.
    
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    November 17, 2017 10:02am
- Morrissey
  
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  Trouble is, it often is hateful and extremist people who say those things. Vide….
  
  http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5697b71e8d3eaeb44caa6402/watch-trump-go-on-a-rant-over-a-popping-microphone-at-a-rally-dont-pay-the-son-of-a-b-.jpg
  
  http://vanceholmes.com/court/boreilly.jpg
  
  http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2994148.1489155737!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/usa-congress-sessions.jpg
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:26am
  - treadingthemill
    
    Claiming Trump supports ISIS is pretty extreme. And some of your posts about people on the right, or National, are pretty hateful. So, was that a confession about your own issues?
    
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    November 17, 2017 9:30am
    - Morrissey
      
      Claiming Trump supports ISIS is pretty extreme.
      
      There was nothing in EAD_TWO’s post about supporting ISIS; it was about bigotry directed at immigrants and women.
      
      As for the ISIS point you brought up out of nowhere: The uncouth but bewildered Trump probably has no idea about what he supports or doesn’t support, so we’ll leave him out of it. What is certain is that Obama and Hillary Clinton certainly supported ISIS in Syria, and so did Bill O’Reilly and the other loudmouths at Fox, as did the “liberal” CNN, MSNBC and the main networks. There is about as much open and enlightened discussion in the mainstream U.S. media as there was in Soviet Russia.
      
      And some of your posts about people on the right, or National, are pretty hateful.
      
      I report their (often pretty hateful) comments and actions. I’m just as angry about the “left”, and Labour, as I am about National.
      
      Much as I despise right wing commentators, I despise woolly-minded “liberals” even more….
      
      https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-18102013/#comment-712798
      
      It’s often led to me being unpopular with Labour apparatchiks….
      
      https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-06022015/#comment-964190
      
      https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-27022012/#comment-441009
      
      https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-29062011/#comment-346518
      
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      November 17, 2017 9:51am
      - treadingthemill
        
        There was nothing in EAD_TWO’s post about supporting ISIS
        
        No, that was directed at you. If you want to criticise extremism and hate, it does not help your case when you are just the left wing version of Ead. Ever heard of the horse shoe theory? It’s interesting that both you and Ead are anti-Zionists.
        
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        November 17, 2017 10:00am
    - Morrissey
      
      If you want to criticise extremism and hate, it does not help your case when you are just the left wing version of Ead.
      
      Your facile equation of me with Ead does you no credit.
      
      Ever heard of the horse shoe theory?
      
      Yes I have, and it probably has some credibility. But I think you should take people as you find them instead of fitting them into some procrustean schema.
      
      It’s interesting that both you and Ead are anti-Zionists.
      
      I’m not anti-Zionist per se, I’m opposed to the militant political Zionists that have inflicted such suffering on the people of Gaza, the Occupied West Bank, Occupied East Jerusalem, and Lebanon.
      
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      November 17, 2017 4:20pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Your facile equation of me with Ead does you no credit.
        
        It’s not facile to compare extremist political positions and note the similarities.
        
        I’m not anti-Zionist per se
        
        And Ead would say he is not anti-Jewish per se
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:26pm
      - Morrissey
        
        It’s not facile to compare extremist political positions and note the similarities.
        
        You are trying to paint me as an extremist, and as anti-Jewish. “Facile” is the kindest word I can use for what you are trying to do.
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:28pm
      - realityczech
        
        Trodden is okay with war crimes, mass murder, religious persecution and bigotry… if Jews do it. His response is to attack Muslims when confronted with Jewish wrongs and shoot the messenger.
        
        He screams about Nazis when I share the thoughts of Rabbis reported in Jewish media. Like all zionists he fears the truth more than anything.
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:29pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        You are trying to paint me as an extremist, and as anti-Jewish.
        
        You are an extremist. Anyone who sits well outside the political mainstream is, and you do. And I’m not trying to paint you as anti-Jewish, I’m just noting how similar far right and far left extremists can be at times.
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:33pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Jesus CHRIST, “realityczech”, will you stop talking about “Jewish wrongs”?
        
        Most Jews are liberal and OPPOSE Israel’s crimes.
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:33pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Trodden is okay with war crimes, mass murder, religious persecution and bigotry… if Jews do it.
        
        No I’m not. I don’t care about the Jews one way or another. They hold no special position in my thinking, as I’m not Jewish, and not a Christian or Muslim. I oppose war crimes and mass murder by anyone.
        
        He screams about Nazis when I share the thoughts of Rabbis reported in Jewish media.
        
        No, I haven’t done that either. I simply noted that when Ead was posting some neo-Nazi conspiracy ideas about the Jews you were agreeing with him.
        
        Like all zionists he fears the truth more than anything.
        
        I’m neither pro-Zionist nor anti-Zionist. I don’t care about it one way or another. If anything I’m suspicious of people outside of the Jews and Palestinians calling themselves pro or anti Zionism. It has nothing to do with anyone else other than the people directly involved in the region. I am equally opposed to Christian Zionists and far left or far right anti-Zionists. In fact I’m suspicious of people who are pro or anti Israel in general when they have no skin in the game.
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:41pm
      - Morrissey
        
        “You are an extremist. Anyone who sits well outside the political mainstream is, and you do.”
        
        I believe in human rights for all people, justice, the rule of law, free speech, a decent health system, free education, a safe and efficient transport infrastructure, clean water, etc. My views are solidly mainstream and in line with the vast majority of the public.
        
        Perhaps on very unusual and eccentric sites such as Whaleoil, from where I have been permanently banned after reminding one anti-tax fanatic that he should go and live in Somalia, I am an extremist; however, my views are moderate and conservative, in the sense I believe in keeping the best of what we have—and you know it.
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:43pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        My views are solidly mainstream
        
        I don’t think claiming Donald Trump is supporting ISIS is mainstream thinking. Not that I care about Trump himself, I think he’s an ego driven buffoon. But claims like that are not mainstream, they come from the far left. And you have made other claims which put you on the far left of the spectrum. I’m not attacking you for that itself, each to their own, but you’re not close the center, which is where most Kiwis are.
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:52pm
      - Morrissey
        
        I don’t think claiming Donald Trump is supporting ISIS is mainstream thinking.
        
        I made it clear this morning that I don’t think Trump himself has a clue about what’s happening in Syria or anywhere else for that matter. Yet you repeat this fabrication that I claim he is supporting ISIS. There is no doubt that the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the Gulf States have supported, and are supporting, ISIS in Syria.
        
        Not that I care about Trump himself, I think he’s an ego driven buffoon. But claims like that are not mainstream, they come from the far left.
        
        Facts are awkward things, my friend, and they have to be dealt with. You can label those who insist on the facts having primacy over political rhetoric as “extremists” if you like, but the fact remains: the U.S., U.K., France, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the Gulf States have supported, and are supporting, ISIS in Syria.
        
        Here, have a read of something more substantial than Fox News….
        
        https://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881
        
        And you have made other claims which put you on the far left of the spectrum.
        
        Such as?
        
        I’m not attacking you for that itself,
        
        You’re attacking me for something you claim me to be, without providing a bit of evidence to support your claim.
        
        …. each to their [sic] own, but you’re not close the center, which is where most Kiwis are.
        
        How does my support for the rule of law, both at home and internationally, make me “not close to the center”?
        
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        November 17, 2017 5:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        EAD is one of the most level headed and moderate people on KB. I have never seen EAD condone war and violence or advocate harming anyone. Unlike the standing troll army of zionists that invest KB like lice with their daily calls to genocide and religious persecution.
        
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        November 17, 2017 5:08pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        @ Morrissey
        
        Facts are awkward things, my friend, and they have to be dealt with.
        
        Assuming they are facts.
        
        Here, have a read of something more substantial than Fox News….
        
        I Googled the source your “facts” came from.
        
        RationalWiki had this to say:
        
        Globalresearch is an “anti-Western” website that can’t distinguish between serious analysis and discreditable junk — and so publishes both. It’s basically the moonbat equivalent to Infowars or WND.
        
        While some of GlobalResearch’s articles discuss legitimate humanitarian concerns, its view of science, economics, and geopolitics is conspiracist — if something goes wrong, the Jews West didit! The site has long been a crank magnet: If you disagree with “Western” sources on 9/11, or HAARP, or vaccines, or H1N1, or climate change, or anything published by the “mainstream” media, then GlobalResearch is guaranteed to have a page you will love.
        
        Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites GlobalResearch, they are almost certainly wrong.
        
        And this was one answer on the Quora site about it.
        
        It is literally the least reliable news source that I am aware of that is not an outright misinformation or parody site. As a source it is near worthless, on par with Infowars, whom they share many stories with.
        
        Some of Globalresearch’s greatest hits:[1]
        
        The US dropped an atomic bomb on Tora Bora during the Afghan war.[2]
        The Rwandan genocide of April 7 to mid-July 1994 was actually a Hutu genocide in disguise[3]
        The Sbrenica genocide was a hoax[4]
        “North Korea, a Land of Human Achievement, Love and Joy”[5]
        Vaccines are an American plot to depopulate Africa[6]
        Flouride in the water is killing us all
        
        That’s why I asked you if you had any evidence from a credible, mainstream source. Globalresearch is not a credible mainstream source, it’s a crank conspiracy site making daft claims.
        
        without providing a bit of evidence to support your claim.
        
        By sourcing your claim from a crank conspiracy site with a noted anti-Jewish and anti-Western conspiracy bent, you have provided the evidence for your extremism yourself.
        
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        November 17, 2017 6:31pm
      - realityczech
        
        Rationalwiki is a discredited far left congregation point of alternative fake facts.
        
        “Globalresearch is not a credible mainstream source”
        
        So you find the mainstream media credible idiot ? The fact some articles on Globalresearch are nonsense does not mean they all are. By that standard the mainstream media fail also as they print total crap.
        
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        November 17, 2017 6:34pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Your points about GlobalResearch are valid; however, that article is a perfectly accurate account of the origins of ISIS and Al-Qaeda. There is occasionally sound journalism even on Fox News; Global Research is unquestonably superior to that “mainstream” outlet.
        
        Of course my first mistake was in searching “U.S. support for ISIS”; what I should have keyed in was “U.S. support for Al Nusra” and “U.S. support for Syrian opposition”.
        
        The Huffington Post is “credible and mainstream” enough for you, I take it?….
        
        https://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/us-support-for-al-qaeda-l_b_10089410.html
        
        Then there’s the American Conservative….
        http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/how-america-armed-terrorists-in-syria/
        
        …and the Independent…
        
        http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/america-siding-with-terrorists-like-al-nusra-its-not-a-conspiracy-theory-10319370.html
        
        …and the New York Times….
        
        http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/12/us/obama-says-us-will-recognize-syrian-rebels.html
        
        You can pretend that the United States and its vassals have not armed and diplomatically supported Al Nusra, AKA Al Qaeda, AKA ISIL, but the facts are not your friend if you choose to do so.
        
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        November 18, 2017 12:14pm
- Classic Liberal
  
  To be quite clear: Tommy Robinson isn’t racist and isn’t against people from the third world. He very specifically and with a lot of experience and research demonstrates what islam is doing to the UK.
  
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  November 17, 2017 5:12pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    His speech to the Oxford Union is worth watching
    
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    November 17, 2017 5:21pm
wiseowl

A Democrat has been accused of groping and kissing!
I mean can you believe it?
A Democrat?
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November 17, 2017 8:04am
- VicParking
  
  Fake news, he was just checking her for Breast Cancer.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:10am
- EAD_TWO
  
  But look over there.▶️▶️
  
  Trump has just been accused of…….sipping water (this is not satire) by good ol Leslie Moonves & David Rhodes from CBS News
  
  https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/trump-pauses-during-remarks-to-sip-water/
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:10am
  - Paulus
    
    Perhaps it is because Trump does not drink alcohol at all, so he prefers water.
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:28am
  - G152
    
    Well that of course proves something.
    Sippers eh, one might imagine he’d go more for gulpers or maybe even sandy bottoms.
    Fake news reinforcing our opinion of them
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:29am
  - VicParking
    
    Anything to move the story away from what he said or did while overseas. Nothing about the $250 billion in deals that were struck while he was in china.
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:37am
- holysheet
  
  Whodatought the equivalent of our liabors would do such a ting. It’s all about grabbing the feelz.
  
  See Cindy was giving virtue signals when she talked about feelz
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:11am
Suze Wainwright

Is it just me, or does Labour’s army of Facebook trolls have absolutely nothing else to do all day?!?
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November 17, 2017 8:08am
- holysheet
  
  It’s all the bros on Manus Island using their flash smart phones doing all this trolling.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:12am
  - Paulus
    
    Is any body else seriously concerned about Winston Peters in the direction of his observed physical and mental state ?
    From watching him as close as possible in Parliament yesterday he obviously looks as though he has a plan – or is away with the fairies, besides an absolute hate for the National Party and all that they stand for.
    His inane grinning at nothing, his smiling (leering) looks towards Cindy would give a Psychiatrist cause to ponder at his aged mental faculties. It may be his medication.
    Previously his hands have been very shaky when he has spouted his vitriol against anybody in Parliament. He has to hold on to something.
    Or is he being very clever for whatever reason only he knows.
    Being of a similar age I am aware of not only my of frailties both physical and mental and those of many friends of our age.
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:26am
    - Tarquin North
      
      He could be morphing into W.O. The signs of paranoia and increasing vitriol along with a pathalogical hatred of National are everywhere – doesn’t seem to be much difference between them.
      
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      November 17, 2017 8:47am
    - KevOB
      
      Dementia has to be considered. How did that affect the coalition “negotiations”?
      
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      November 17, 2017 8:51am
waikatogirl

It is confirmed Winnie will be going for talks in NK with Kim Il Jong. Two narcissist mavericks bonding over a few glasses of whisky.

NK, Please keep Winnie as an entertainment novelty.
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November 17, 2017 8:12am
- Happychappy
  
  I hope the NZ Taxpayer doesn’t have to pay any cost to satisfy the extra large ego Peters has to enhance the chance of him creating a false legacy. Isn’t it funny the lengths some people will go to to be noticed.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:20am
  - CHFR1
    
    On the upside if it goes tits up then Donald Trump isn’t the instigator of the war we are…oh wait maybe that isn’t the legacy Cindy or Winston want.
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:35am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  maybe they have some AA guns or Mortars that Winston could help them test.
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:20am
Ross12

This Principal makes very good points
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11944927
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November 17, 2017 8:15am
oldpark

While waiting for the football to come on yesterday. Thought a look at Parliamentary question time would be interesting.
Couldn’t believe my luck ,there were the two clowns Ardern/ Peters back from meddling in other sovereign nations afffairs.
Paula Bennet was running rings around Winston Peters wee girl Jacinda. Wee Jacinda was out of her depth with her answers. Paula wanted to know why the Parental Leave of 26 weeks could not be split between either parents like 13 weeks each.
In desperation Winston Peters little girl Jacinda,looked to her sugar daddy Winston Peters.
Sugar daddy Peters sneered and barked out just another type of arrogant answer, which is all he has ever given to NZ since being in Parliament for 40 years. . Then wee Jacinda was allowed to parrot Sugar Daddys comments. Both of them will be known as the jokes that keep giving,every time they try to bluff and lie their way through the next parliamentary term of “maybe” three years.
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November 17, 2017 8:16am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Q. 1 here
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20171116_20171116_20
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:44am
  - realityczech
    
    Thanks Wiggle. The corrupt Bennett hag got her arse handed to her by Toothy.
    
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    November 17, 2017 7:31pm
- Gravelroad
  
  And yet people (a lot of them old people who you might think would know better) keep voting for Mr Peters. They do so, I am told, in order to provide some dubious “keeping the rest honest” function.
  I expect a good few who contribute here voted for him.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:52am
  - holysheet
    
    And you would be hard pressed now to find any of them admit to such a stooopid act. Even Chucky is silent on his messiahs actions. Hows the mine entry progressing Chucky?
    Another broken promise by the drunken dwarf. When will he find the time to be first to go into the mine?
    
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    November 17, 2017 9:20am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Holy, While I am not happy with Peter’s actions Pike River drift will be entered and no one will die.
      
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      November 17, 2017 10:14am
      - KevOB
        
        Have you checked out the gas in there?
        
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        November 17, 2017 10:44am
  - backster
    
    Yes I have a middleaged friend who told me she was voting for him because her mother always voted for him and both are in positions where they will be adversely affected by this government.
    
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    November 17, 2017 10:03am
- Gabby
  
  Pullya couldn’t explain why she didn’t have that bright idea when she was Minister and Leaker of Details could she oldfart.
  
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  November 17, 2017 7:24pm
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Irish Savant this week diverts his attention from socio-political matters to how sport is being used to undermine traditional societies with Cultural Marxism.

The Springboks and the case of “Irishman” Bundaloo (Bundee) Aki get a special mention:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.com/2017/11/this-sporting-life.html

Sure beats a Marc Hinton sports article!
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November 17, 2017 8:18am
VicParking

Trevor Mallards true colours as speaker have come to the surface. It has not helped that so far that National has not yet got anything solid to attack the government with. Mallard however is currently a joke. He forgot the order of business, his robe still keeps falling off, he now enters the chamber from a side door and has changed the prayer to one in maori. It is strange as he is a very compentent politician and has been around for years. And yippee my email with the oral questions arrived on time.
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November 17, 2017 8:21am
- Paulus
  
  But Mallard still looks like Margaret Wilson – except his ratty voice is different.
  I gave him the benefit of the doubt as Speaker – but I was wrong.
  Presumably Heather Simpson (H2) is pulling the strings as she has done before.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:31am
- GazzaW
  
  I’m finding his use of supplementary question loss for trangressions a little tiresome. He’s just like a teacher handing out detentions.
  
  H2’s influence is very evident now which I think goes against the grain with Trev because he’s always coveted that role and is very well versed in Parliamentary procedures and traditions.
  
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  November 17, 2017 10:38am
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Interesting watching Question Time yesterday. Gerry Brownlee has obviously been given info by Australia about the undesirability of the Manus island “refugees”and asked Winston lots of questions. Winston getting very sniffy at the end but the most fascinating part was that Cindy , who had been at questions at the start, was MIA for the Manus island questions. can’t she stand the heat?
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November 17, 2017 8:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Q. 12 here
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20171116_20171116_20
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:45am
  - Evadne
    
    Thanks for the links, Maggy.
    
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    November 17, 2017 9:01am
  - oldpark
    
    Thank you Maggy. Yes the reply from Peters is so childish. Certainly confirms why he was dumped from Hunua, Tauranga,and Northland. Voters knew he was a fraud.
    
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    November 17, 2017 9:11am
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Bill Gates just bought 25,000 acres in Arizona to build a new ‘smart city’ | Business Insider h/t PH

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/bill-gates-buys-arizona-land-to-build-smart-city-2017-11?r=US&IR=T

• Bill Gates has committed $US80 million through one of his investment firms, Belmont Partners, to build a “smart city” in Arizona.

• The city will integrate high-speed internet, smarter manufacturing, and systems that accommodate self-driving cars.

• As more people move into cities, such technologies are poised to become more necessary. … read more via hyperlink above …

… highlighted by Cam Slater of Whaleoil in New Zealand …

I’ll bet they are all affordable too – Whale Oil Beef Hooked | Whaleoil Media

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/11/ill-bet-affordable/

… which will be helped by REAL MARKET construction costs …for example … Pulte Homes in Arizona …

https://pulte.com/homes/arizona/phoenix/florence/parkside-at-anthem-at-merrill-ranch-7739#CommunityDetailsView

How will New Zealand’s new Labour Government affordable housing developments be managed …

Like the above …

… or …

… the loser British bureaucratic bozo style ? …

… ESSENTIAL VIEWING …

Inquiry. The Great British Housing Disaster (Adam Curtis, 1984) – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch5VorymiL4
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November 17, 2017 8:23am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  Rental stock plummets: Auckland -35pc, Wellington -69pc … Anne Gibson … NZ Herald
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11944509
  
  Residential rental stock volumes have halved in the past year and demand from tenants is outstripping supply with predictions that people will find it increasingly hard to find a place, according to Trade Me Property.
  
  In Auckland, rental stock volumes have plummeted by 35 per cent since last October and prices are rising.
  
  Trade Me Property head Nigel Jeffries said Kiwi tenants were finding competition stiff: “If this trend continues, things are going to be very tough for a huge number of renters, particularly students, who will be hunting flats in summer.
  
  “The number of available rentals in the Super City dropped 35 per cent on last October and we are beginning to see the effect on prices,” he said.
  
  The median weekly Auckland rent rose 2.9 per cent in the past year to $525/week in October.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:33am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Honestly one of the main reasons I come here is to downtick your posts Hugh.
  
  Not because I disagree, it’s just that the way you post is so annoying and long-winded. For goodness sake please learn how to HTML and communicate on the internet in an internet-savvy fashion.
  
  You are doing the equivalent of using morse code over the radio to communicate. If you think your message is correct or important then surely you would make the effort to present it in a user-friendly fashion. Anything else is just a form of onanism.
  
  Have a look here <– see how much better that looks than doing what you do like this ….
  
  https://webwisewording.com/web-writing-tips/
  
  …. same transfer of info, much less annoying.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Good article..
    
    Numerous folks here have offered Hugh some comms advice… but he’s been studying at the Public Watchdog College of Prolixity.
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:49am
    - KevOB
      
      With Madam Bright as tutor.
      
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      November 17, 2017 8:54am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        Genuine thanks for the comments guys. I prefer this style though.
        
        Do make a point of reading Cam Slater of Whaleoil’s excellent article on this very important development issue.
        
        You will all no doubt be fascinated by the REAL MARKET residential development pricing in Arizona … with the Pulte Homes examples. … and asking our authorities here why we don’t have the same pricing.
        
        From memory, I think Pulte develop about 17k units annually throughout the United States.
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:15am
      - starboard
        
        “I” “I” “I”….
        A true narcissist is our Hugh.
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:23am
      - Ross12
        
        Hugh , I read about the Bill Gates development yesterday. I agree it is interesting but we do not have land available at that price ( even if it is based on all the US$80 mill being spent buying the land). The US$80 mill has to be effectively seed capital. The final cost will be massive.
        Do we have investors around to do a project that was say 1/4 the size –I don’t think so unless you invite a lot of Chinese property developers into it?
        ( Cannot see the new Govt agreeing to that!) .
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:26am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
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        UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING IS A ‘NONSENSE ISSUE’ … read more at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org …
        
        The housing affordability issue really is a ‘nonsense issue’ particularly when the creators of the modern housing production industry, Bill & Alfred Levitt, just after WW11, were supplying new 80 square metre homes on 700 square metre lots for about $US8,000 (about $US100 per square metre building area) to sole income families on about $US3,500 per annum… about 2.3 times annual household incomes (median multiple).
        
        Just after WW11 there were massive shortages of expensive building products … to the extent the Levitts bought forests and nail factories to ensure they didn’t have supply disruptions to producing about 40 new homes a day.
        
        A decade or so later … thanks to another great American entrepreneur Malcom McLean creating the modern container industry, dramatically lowering transportation costs and creating greater global competition … we have a growing glut of increasingly affordable products …
        
        The Story of Malcom McLean … incorporating New York Times video
        
        http://maritime-executive.com/article/the-story-of-malcolm-mclean
        
        … Wow … check out the prices of transporting individual items by container ship in this short video … just remarkable … in case you are wondering why our bulk retail outlets are bulging with abundant supplies of extremely low cost goods … thank you Malcom McLean …
        
        Malcom McLean and Containerisation | Maersk Line – YouTube
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq8UU9kafJ0
        
        The Now-Ubiquitous Shipping Container Was an Idea Before Its Time | Innovation | Smithsonian
        
        http://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/shipping-container-idea-before-time-180963730/
        
        Malcom McLean – Wikipedia
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcom_McLean
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:30am
      - Rich Prick
        
        You’ve clogged the bowl again, use the plunger.
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:50am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        U.S Census … Home ownership rates are increasing in the United States … in contrast to New Zealand where they are STILL declining …
        
        A US HOME OWNERSHIP TURNAROUND ? … WENDELL COX … NEW GEOGRAPHY
        
        http://www.newgeography.com/content/005790-a-us-home-ownership-turn-around
        
        The Census Bureau reports that home ownership in the United States rose to 63.9 percent in the third quarter of 2017. This continues a rising trend since the second quarter of 2016, when home ownership had dropped to 62.9. This equaled the previous low of 51 years before (1965), just a year after annual data reporting began. Home ownership peaked at 69.2 percent during the housing bubble and had been generally declining since late 2006 (Figure). … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:32am
      - labrator
        
        DifferentPerspective: Hey hugh, you’re really annoying, you can be less annoying and possible get your message across by doing (list of helpful things)
        
        Hugh: Thanks (genuine) but I prefer being annoying.
        
        How’s John Key’s Waterloo moment coming along Hugh?
        
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        November 17, 2017 12:36pm
  - treadingthemill
    
    Not because I disagree, it’s just that the way you post is so annoying and long-winded.
    
    Sometimes people are just going to dislike what someone says, especially true if they are saying it in an unfriendly forum. So why go out of your way to invite dislike by posting it in the most annoying and impolite way possible? Hugh might be right on the issue, but is not going to sway anyone with his current strategy. I wonder if he has some deep seated psychological need to annoy people?
    
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    November 17, 2017 9:19am
    - All_on_Red
      
      I suspect you are right about wanting to be annoying.
      Many of us were aware of these issues well over a decade ago when they were being raised by Owen McShane.
      Yet still Hugh feels he needs to post the same things over and over again.
      
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      November 17, 2017 11:37am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        All On Red … the late planner McShane was part of the ACT crowd.
        
        Alan Gibbs was his patron as I recall.
        
        It was all very ideological and tedious.
        
        Rather amusingly, McShane described Palmer and Upton as two of the finest minds to have graced the New Zealand Parliament !
        
        We are, in an essential long-winded and evolutionary way (with the consent of the governed), pragmatically sorting out today, the mess those guys created in the late 1980’s and early 1990’s.
        
        I was in the thick of it through that era as well … and learned many important lessons out of it.
        
        The ACT arrogance and ignorance was just something to behold !
        
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        November 17, 2017 12:15pm
  - Liberty
    
    Is it as bad a voting for Winston ?
    
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    November 17, 2017 10:01am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
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    Ross12 … Thank you for the constructive comments.
    
    You will be aware the Government is committed to abolishing the Auckland Urban Limits and nationally bond financing infrastructure.
    
    My sense is urban limits will be abolished throughout the country before long. They will want consistency with bond financing arrangements as well.
    
    Mid last year Nick Smith applauded Labour for supporting National on abolishing Auckland urban limits …
    
    Speech from the throne pledges that Auckland’s urban limit will be removed and density controls will be freed up in this term of Government | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/90780/speech-throne-pledges-aucklands-urban-limit-will-be-removed-and-density-controls-will
    
    It’s official: The Government is promising to remove Auckland’s urban growth boundary as part of the legislative programme for this term. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    Housing – New Zealand Labour Party
    
    http://www.labour.org.nz/housing
    
    … extract …
    
    Remove barriers that are stopping Auckland growing up and out
    
    Labour will remove the Auckland urban growth boundary and free up density controls. This will give Auckland more options to grow, as well as stopping landbankers profiteering and holding up development. New developments, both in Auckland and the rest of New Zealand, will be funded through innovative infrastructure bonds.
    
    … Previous Government then Housing Minister Nick Smith May 2016 …
    
    Labour support on city limits (abolition) welcomed … Nick Smith … Beehive
    
    https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/labour-support-city-limits-welcomed
    
    The new position by the Labour opposition calling for an abolition of city limits has been welcomed by Building and Housing Minister Dr Nick Smith.
    
    “This is a welcome repositioning by Labour. Tight city limits and not allowing intensification is at the core of Auckland’s housing problems. It is limiting new housing developments, driving up section and house prices and encouraging land banking. … read more via hyperlink above …
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    You can be sure Ross12 the astute guys in the development / construction industry here in New Zealand will be learning fast from North America. I was a commercial property development practitioner myself for many years and the President for the South Island Division of the Property Council for the first part of the 1990’s. I didn’t come down in the last shower … if you get my drift.
    
    The industry guys will need to understand North America fast … if they are interested in commercial survival.
    
    Perform or perish.
    
    By our development / construction guys getting focused on driving down costs to REAL MARKET levels … as is the current case in much of North America … is the best help the current Government has in achieving its housing aspirations.
    
    Indeed … the Governments survival is dependent on this happening … and they know it.
    
    My sense is that the current Government (unlike the last one) will be doing everything it can to remove the barriers to the development and construction of affordable housing by the private sector.
    
    It is worth noting current Housing Minister Phil Twyford worked for Oxfam in the United States for a number of years.
    
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    November 17, 2017 10:15am
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      Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a personality disorder in which there is a long-term pattern of abnormal behavior characterized by exaggerated feelings of self-importance, an excessive need for admiration, and a lack of understanding of others’ feelings.[2][3] People affected by it often spend a lot of time thinking about achieving power or success, or about their appearance.[3] They often take advantage of the people around them.[3] The behavior typically begins by early adulthood, and occurs across a variety of situations.[3]
      
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      November 17, 2017 11:06am
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      “My sense is that the current Government (unlike the last one) will be doing everything it can to remove the barriers to the development and construction of affordable housing by the private sector.”
      
      Actually, Hugh, the current govt opposed every attempt by the last govt to remove those barriers. But keep dreaming……
      
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      November 17, 2017 11:45am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Duxton … The last Governments performance on these issues can only be described as ‘pathetic.’
        
        Check out my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org … and the following in particular …
        
        1. John Key – Housing Reform – 2007 VIDEO
        
        2. The 5 Important Graphs
        
        3. The GONE GONE GOING (now GONE) section
        
        History will be very unkind to John Key in particular.
        
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        November 17, 2017 5:38pm
    - Ross12
      
      Working for Oxfam is some sort of “experience” for a housing minister ? You are joking.
      NB. House prices in the USA are not performing ( in terms of affordability) any better than elsewhere.
      
      “Just under a year ago, US home prices finally surpassed their prior all time highs, one decade after the 2006 bubble… and haven’t looked back since. Which, all else equal, would be great news for America, where the bulk of middle-class wealth is not in the stock market contrary to conventional wisdom, but in its biggest, and most illiquid asset-cum-investment: one’s home. There is just one problem: while house prices are once again hitting new all time highs every month, household incomes have failed to keep up; in fact, as the Political Calculations blog shows, in the past two years there has been a distinct trend in home affordability, or lack thereof. ”
      ( based on the S&P Case Shiller US National Home Prime Index).
      So despite the USA having easy land use regs in many areas and quite low construction costs their picture is not much better.
      
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      November 17, 2017 12:12pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        There is a widening gap between the price buyers are prepared to pay and the price vendors are expecting to achieve | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/90941/there-widening-gap-between-price-buyers-are-prepared-pay-and-price-vendors-are
        
        There were disappointing results at this week’s main Auckland apartment and commercial property auctions, with a reasonable selection of properties on offer but very few sales. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 17, 2017 12:49pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Ross12 … Check this years Demographia Survey http://www.demographia.com … and too the ‘Countries Median Multiple’ fraph near the top of my archival website http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
        
        You may also like to do a simple gopogle search of ‘New Homes (North American city of your choice)’ … for example ‘New Homes Houston’ …. ‘New Homes Atlanta’ … New Homes St Louis’ …. etc etc etc.
        
        Note when doing the costs per sdquare metre of building area, that the Americans exclude the garaging area (generally about 36 square metres) … only sating the ‘heated area’ being the rest of the house construction.
        
        Here in New Zealand and Australia we include the garage area when quoting the total building area.
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:17am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Hong Kong …
        
        You have to pay nearly $1 million just to view these apartments … CNN Money / Ksat
        
        https://www.ksat.com/news/you-have-to-pay-nearly-1-million-just-to-view-these-apartments
        
        HONG KONG (CNNMoney) – At one Hong Kong apartment complex, it will cost you close to $1 million to just get your foot in the door.
        
        Real estate agents in the city are asking potential buyers to stump up 7 million Hong Kong dollars ($900,000) to view a new batch of luxury condos, the latest example of the dizzying rise in prices in the world’s most expensive property market. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 18, 2017 3:42am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Hong Kong’s property cartel is pushing wealth inequality to the brink | South China Morning Post
        
        http://www.scmp.com/business/article/2120219/hong-kongs-property-cartel-pushing-wealth-inequality-brink
        
        Raising welfare and pension payments, and reforming the MPF isn’t going to solve the main problem – a persistent property bubble sustained by a cartel … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:14am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Inside Hong Kong’s 50 Sq. Ft. ‘Coffin Cubicle’ Homes | Fortune.com
        
        http://fortune.com/2017/11/01/hong-kong-coffin-cubicle-home/
        
        Hong Kong residents have less living space than prisoners in high security jail cells, according to a new study by the Kwai Chung Subdivided Flat Residents Alliance.
        
        The average living space per person in Hong Kong is 50 square feet, roughly the size of three toilet cubicles and half the size of a standard parking spot.
        
        The name for such a small space? The “coffin cubicle.” … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
        
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        November 18, 2017 5:18am
VicParking

Red Radio has latched onto this poor family that are in hospital with food poisioning Every second word is “Wild Boar” or “Wild Pork”. Everything ‘Wild’ is to blame including a mysterious toxin. I think the answer is simple. If you put rotten meat in your curry you will get sick. I wish the family well and hope things turn out well for them.
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November 17, 2017 8:32am
- SGA
  
  The reports that I have read suggest the boar had been killed very recently, so I’m not sure that a “rotten meat” explanation works.
  Also, this is all supposed to have happened within 30 minutes or so of ingesting the meat (if that’s really the problem) which seems a very quick (and severe) reaction in terms of most of the standard food poisonings that I know of.
  Whatever it is, like you I wish them a safe and speedy recovery.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:48am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I agree.
    
    If food poisoning, it suggests botulism by the seriousness of the symptoms.
    But I don’t think the Botulism bugs would strike you down within half-an-hour of ingesting tainted food.
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:52am
- tf78
  
  I would of thought if you ate rotten meat you would have diarrhea and vomiting not become unconscious.
  
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  November 17, 2017 10:06am
lastmanstanding

Has anyone told Cindy and Grant that if you piss off your biggest trade partner they can take all sorts of very subtle retaliatory actions. Like making sure your exporters get a hard time at the border but all within the “Rules” of course. Like making sure Kiwi companies dont win tenders for Govt and non Govt contracts.

An offended government can cause much economic pain in a subtle way that cant be readily identified.
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November 17, 2017 8:34am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  But Jacinda will fix it!
  
  She’ll just pull the constipation-face and all the problems will go away
  
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  November 17, 2017 10:30am
- Gabby
  
  They’re already pulling that shit lostmongstanding.
  
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  November 17, 2017 5:01pm
Keeping Stock

So Steven Joyce was wrong about Labour’s alleged $11b “fiscal hole”. It’s actually $13-14B, and getting deeper by the day.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/mike-hosking-breakfast/audio/cameron-bagrie-anzs-questioning-govts-financial-projections/
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November 17, 2017 8:35am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  But there was “consensus” among economists that Joyce was wrong about the hole!
  
  They just didn’t say that he’d underestimated the size of the hole.
  
  We should have know from the use of the word “consensus” in the Chicken Little Climate Alarmism industry that whenever that word pops up – we’re being lied to.
  
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  November 17, 2017 10:34am
  - Prince
    
    Yes, Stuff’s Labour apologists branded Joyce a liar.
    They’ve gone very quiet over the finances now.
    Vernon Small will be getting his riding instructions from the smug slug Robertson.
    
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    November 17, 2017 10:11pm
oldpark

Well fancy that. A shortage of houses for rent in NZ.
“Who would be a landlord”. What with putting up massive capital and borrowings to even buy a rental property is scary enough.
Then with a recent court decision that tenants were not liable for damage to the property they rented.
Now on the heals of that a Lie-bour party clown called Twyford ,who ranted against people with Asian or Chinese name as the culprits who caused the property market to ignite. Even though it was just 3% of that type of buyer.
Twyford who has lived off other peoples sweat and hard work is an Oxfam reject,he is out to once more put the boot into rental property owners. The ones who havn’t sold yet.
“Better life for tenants” is the war cry of Twyford.
Not a word about the landlords who take all the risks.
The latest gimmick by Lie-bor/Green /Peters/Ctu/ mafias .Is to be called The Healthy Homes Bill.
To reiterate once more . “Who would be a Landlord in NZ.”
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November 17, 2017 8:35am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  So how does this play out.
  
  1) Investors divest
  2) Glut of ex-rental properties on the market
  3) Dead beats can’t buy (even with a significant price drop)
  4) Massive subsidies to dead beats to buy
  5) As interest rates rise under Labour’s fiscal mismanagement – dead beats are forced out when defaulting on loan payments and failing to maintain houses
  6) Bigger glut of ex-rental properties on market
  7) Bigger shortage of rental properties
  8) Increased homelessness
  
  Yuk!
  
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  November 17, 2017 10:39am
  - Classic Liberal
    
    9) Squatters’ Rights legalized in NZ, so the defaulters can stay after all.
    
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    November 17, 2017 6:44pm
waikatogirl

Angry begins TOW settlement negotations with Ngapuhi. The difficulty is there are 2 mandated groups that are negotiating for different factions of the tribe. Ngapuhi do not agree with the current offer from the govt. Will Ngaphui be able to agree between themselves, or won’t they manage to agree to finalise the TOW.

The govt needs to put in a delay clause. Everytime Ngapuhi delay settlement, the amount on offer declines. ??
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November 17, 2017 8:39am
Ross12

It is very clear the Aussies are getting very annoyed with Ardern. When will she wise up ?

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98972615/australian-intelligence-leak-on-manus-island-details-allegations-of-underage-sex-crimes
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November 17, 2017 8:43am
- Evadne
  
  That article sums up the issue (and Jacinda) in one sentence:
  
  ‘It is understood the Turnbull Government is furious with what it views as Ardern’s “moral posturing and naivety” on the matter.’
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:13am
  - Gabby
    
    It doesn’t take a lot to piss off Turdbull.
    
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    November 17, 2017 4:57pm
  - Classic Liberal
    
    Indeed, I’m going to keep quoting Turnbull on this government and Comrade Taxinda: most policies show their “moral posturing and naivety”.
    
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    November 17, 2017 6:53pm
- Maxx
  
  But she’s not going to line up her UN gig without grandstanding
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:34am
PaulDunmore

Interesting description of Justin Trudeau by John Robson in the National Post (Canada): “his absurd depictions of current events, just like his empty promises, are the product of fantasy, not con-man cunning. He consistently, sincerely and affably has no idea how the world works.”
Does that sound like any Prime Minister from around here?
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November 17, 2017 8:45am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes it does. Cindy is in way, way out of her depth. Almost every word she utters confirms that.
  
  Also, Trudeau now has a net negative approval rating.
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:06am
- Ross12
  
  Paul
  It is not that long ago that Helen Clark liken our new PM to Trudeau and Macron.
  Well Macron’s popularity has dropped significantly in their polls and now we see this
  http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/11/16/fourth-day-anti-macron-protests-sweep-france/
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:12am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Here is Macron’s ‘First 100 Days’ approval rating
    vs recent presidents: Going down!
    
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    November 17, 2017 9:27am
- EAD_TWO
  
  Trudeau is the ultimate Soy Boy
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:17am
- Classic Liberal
  
  Oh yes, they’re trying to outdo each other’s “moral posturing and naivety”.
  
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  November 17, 2017 6:54pm
Ross12

Anyone interested in the Aussie economy with a hour plus or so to spare here is long, extensive look which doesn’t present a particularly pretty picture. It is written with a very “Aussie tone”

https://medium.com/@matt_11659/matt-barrie-australias-economy-is-a-house-of-cards-6877adb3fb2f
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November 17, 2017 8:54am
- Dave Mann
  
  Thanks for the link Ross12.
  
  It took me longer than 2 hours to read and digest this, and to be honest, a lot of the economics terminology was over my head – but I could grasp the principles of what he is saying and the picture is scary.
  
  From what I can see in our own country, I would say that, apart from the bleak state of Australian mining, the picture for our own economy is very similar – especially in the overtaxation, housing madness, foreign money laundering and lack of engineering & technology focus in NZ.
  
  I urge anybody who is interested in NZ’s future to read this excellent piece because there are some striking parallels between our two countries and we had better wake up fast.
  
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  November 17, 2017 11:29am
  - Ross12
    
    Dave
    It took me longer than the 64 minutes it says at the top to read it as well. I don’t agree with a few things he says and I think he is being a little pessimistic in some areas but it was well worth the time and effort to read.
    
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    November 17, 2017 12:17pm
- realityczech
  
  Ross12 great article thanks.
  
  No surprises about the housing ponzi scheme. At some point is simply has to turn bad and the longer we wait to correct the market the worse it will be.
  
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  November 17, 2017 7:24pm
softail 1450

Aussie political commentator peta credlin says that if jacinda wants a better class of refugee she should make up a sign saying “150 refugees wanted” stick it in the street in San Salvador (the world capital for murder) and take the 1st 150 that come along ,”disarmed of course.”
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November 17, 2017 8:58am
- Gabby
  
  peta’s a pita.
  
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  November 17, 2017 4:54pm
MrTips

Oh how I laughed at this piece of bullshit from the Labour supporter funded Newsroom, rehashed on Stuff:https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98975198/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-adjusts-to-life-at-the-top

We’ve only got Sam Sachdeva’s word she said it. And it was a bloody stupid thing to say – Aussies pissed off, USA next. How long before China ?

And why laugh? Because the co-editor of her biggest fanboy news site, Newsroom, Tim Murphy, is one of the named individuals in Whinestupid Petulant’s discovery court action. What a turn-up if its found out Winnies pension leaker turns out to be one of his cabinet colleagues!
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November 17, 2017 9:02am
Morrissey

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
GROPERS
No. 2: Bill O’Reilly

Burgess, who was working as a temp at Fox at the time, said it only took O’Reilly about two weeks to start harassing her.

“He always walked past my desk and he made, like, a grunting noise,” Burgess said. “As time went on, I noticed … if no one was around, he would make that noise.”

Burgess then went on to talk about an incident in an elevator. …
https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/bill-oreilly-accuser-speaks-out-for-the-1st-time-1794497802

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/21/business/media/bill-oreilly-sexual-harassment.html

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/23/media/bill-oreilly-misconduct-allegations/index.html

“GROPERS” is researched and presented by GroperWatch, a division of Daisycutter Sports Inc.

No.1 George Herbert Walker Bush
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November 17, 2017 9:07am
- Morrissey
  
  As of 9:31 a.m. five pro-gropers have registered their approval of Bill O’Reilly’s attacks on women.
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:32am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Or 5 KBers are registering disappointment at your inability to see the forest of gropers/pervs on the Left of the political spectrum:
    – Darren Gough and the swiss ball affair
    – lecherous Lying Len Brown and Bevan Chuang
    – Bill Clinton
    – Creepy Joe Biden
    – the Podestas pedophile “art” collection
    – big DNC donor and serial abuser Harvey Weinstein
    – Trump critic Louis CK
    – Antony Weiner
    – Roman Polanski
    – sister molester Lena Dunham
    – daughter marrier Woody Allen
    – date raper Bill Cosby
    – pedo Kevin Spacey
    – Seattle Mayor Ed Murray
    – Sen. Robert Menendez
    – longtime Clinton buddy Pedophile Jeffrey Epstein
    
    It’s going to be a long, long list if you go for all the left wing perverts, but then again you won’t because….
    
    it’s Ok when the left do it
    
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    November 17, 2017 10:05am
    - Jack5
      
      Is this Democrat on DifferentPerspective’s list:
      
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/16/al-franken-accused-kissing-groping-la-tv-host-without-consent.html
      
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      November 17, 2017 11:56am
    - RalphT
      
      DP, Darren Gough was a fine fast bowler for England in the 1990s and far as I know there was never any suggestion that he did anything unusual with a Swiss ball. You weren’t thinking of the MP for Otaki, Darren Hughes, were you?
      
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      November 17, 2017 1:21pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Lol my bad, thank you RalphT. Indeed it was the pervert Ginga from Otaki I was thinking of 🙂
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:09pm
    - hullkiwi
      
      You can add in two Jags Prescott, UK Deputy PM 1997 to 2007. He enjoyed the use of his office in Admiralty Arch.
      
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      November 17, 2017 6:10pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Here you go – the grand daddy of the groper movement in the Democrat party. Revered by Democrats the world over for a career long grope-fest and seemingly getting away with it…..
  
  feast your eyes on this clip of a real dirty old man this is what a deservingly impeached President looks like and Democrats modelled the practice.
  
  Hypocrite!
  
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  November 17, 2017 10:21am
- softail 1450
  
  moronissey,once again ,you are a bonifide nutcase.
  
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  November 17, 2017 11:18am
  - Gabby
    
    softcock girlybike , you are a genuine titmangle.
    
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    November 17, 2017 4:52pm
realityczech

Look at the sorry state of journalism here in NZ !

The spin and propaganda in this is unbelievable. And of course it includes anti Trump virtue signalling.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/98975198/prime-minister-jacinda-ardern-adjusts-to-life-at-the-top
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November 17, 2017 9:08am
kowtow

The “most powerful woman in the world” isn’t that powerful.

Migration and climate lies .

“But the potential partners hold opposing views on key issues ranging from migrants to the environment, and the talks have been deadlocked for weeks.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/16/merkels-chancellorship-threat-coalition-talks-deadline-approaches/
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November 17, 2017 9:13am
Lucia Maria

This was fun!

A new IQ test has people stumped over its tricky questions

DPF posted that he’d done it on Twitter and got 10/10, so naturally, I had to try it too. And, I’m in the top 1/10 of the top 1% as well.
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November 17, 2017 9:26am
- Morrissey
  
  Ha!
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBQvt-t6NcA
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:28am
  - starboard
    
    Go play on the motorway morris. ?
    
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    November 17, 2017 9:37am
- realityczech
  
  Just goes to show the difference between IQ and functional intelligence or morality.
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:30am
- JibberJabber
  
  I`ll support any quiz that tells me I`m a genius, even arithmetically challenged as I am, guessing got me 10/10.
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:30am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I tried hard and got 10/10. Then I deliberately answered most of the questions wrong and still got 7/10.
    
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    November 17, 2017 9:57am
    - RalphT
      
      I did the same, captain; got 10/10, then did it again giving a few different answers, but unlike you I got 10/10 the second time around.
      
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      November 17, 2017 10:20am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Oh, no! So it’s broken!
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:06am
      - realityczech
        
        “Oh, no! So it’s broken!”
        
        Of course it is broken dimwit. Speak with your ~~pedophile~~ priest about the sin of pride.
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:12am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Oh fuck. I got 7/10 when doing it properly, and then I did it again trying for the wrong answers and scored 10/10!
        
        If there is any further proof that fake news is a reality, then the fact that this shit is being pushed by the NZ Herald should dispel any doubts.
        
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        November 17, 2017 12:36pm
- krazykiwi
  
  A fragile ego prevents me from attempting such comparisons 🙂
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:32am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Well, that was a lot of responses in a short space of time!
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:34am
- realityczech
  
  “This was fun!”
  
  You need to get out more.
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:35am
- rangitoto
  
  It was trivial.
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:54am
- Dave Mann
  
  I only got 7/10 but it said that just 5% of people can score this high…. so what was your score, 9/10 or the full 10?
  
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  November 17, 2017 12:08pm
- Duxton
  
  Likewise, I got 10/10 last night.
  
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  November 17, 2017 12:31pm
Evadne

Jacinda’s political and diplomatic naivety is demonstrated by her ungracious response to the traditional Filipino costume she was given at APEC, which hasn’t gone down well:

“As leader of a nation, you should give importance and appreciate the culture and traditions of another country you are visiting. What she did is a little undiplomatic.” http://www.manilatimes.net/couturier-put-off-new-zealand-pms-barong-comment/363323/

Just how hard is it to say something like, ‘It’s a beautiful garment, incredible embroidery such an honour to wear..’
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November 17, 2017 9:29am
- realityczech
  
  What a trash mouthed bimbo she is !
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:32am
- JibberJabber
  
  Tactless and Talentless.
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:33am
  - realityczech
    
    I wonder if she will make a similar vicious rant when presented with a Maori ceremonial cloak ?
    
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    November 17, 2017 9:42am
    - Evadne
      
      It wasn’t a vicious rant.
      
      It was just the thoughtless comment of a child: “it’s scratchy, and it smells funny”.
      
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      November 17, 2017 9:48am
      - realityczech
        
        Yeah imagine her being presented with a Maori cloak and saying ewww get this fucking prickly smelly thing off me at Waitangi Day 🙂
        
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        November 17, 2017 10:11am
      - Gabby
        
        scratchy, and smells funny – that’s DoodyTurdy that is.
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:30pm
- Longknives
  
  Just imagine the outrage if a Foreign Leader (Trump for example) came here and made sneering,mocking comments about the Maori Cloak they were gifted?
  
  The howling and shrieking would be deafening from outraged Lefties…
  But it seems their ‘People’s Princess’ can do no wrong?
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:48am
  - Gabby
    
    Albert Andrada’s a big crybaby girlyman snoflake. He admits he starched the shit out of it, and that it reeks of pineapple. Grow a pair Albie.
    
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    November 17, 2017 4:45pm
- Gabby
  
  DoodyTurdy doesn’t do diplomatic.
  
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  November 17, 2017 4:28pm
  - softail 1450
    
    grubby ,I’m surprised you’re still compos mentis, after all that cheap gin….
    
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    November 17, 2017 4:57pm
    - Gabby
      
      Don’t ride drunk softcock. One more concussion and you’ll be in the fresh produce section.
      
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      November 17, 2017 6:27pm
- MCos
  
  Let’s not be too precious here, children.
  We all know that if some local designer was similarly offended by the remarks of a visiting dignitary the Kiwiblog fashion police would come down on the designer like a ton of bricks unless the visitor was Trudeau, an Obama or Merkel!
  
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  November 18, 2017 4:05am
DifferentPerspective

Even the Democrats want Trump to win in 2020

Question: How do you know when a left winger is going to run for office?

Answer: They do what Jacinda did – they lie and say they “aren’t going to run for office”.

Right now creepy Joe Biden is telling everyone who will sit still and listen that “He doesn’t want to run for President in 2020“.

Which of course means, the DNC is getting behind him to run in 2020.

But given the fact that finally the MSM is admitting that Bill “Slick Willy” Clinton actually was an evil sexual predator (aided and enabled by Crooked Hillary), you’d have to say what is the matter with the DNC that makes them think the way to win is with another dirty old man who loves to touch young girls?

Or maybe it’s because Biden advocates Antifa style violence, wishing that he could deal with Trump and “take him behind the gym”.

The DNC are so utterly broken. Senile old gropers. Senile old Maxine. Senile old black rodeo clowns. White women who lie about being first nation people.

If they put Biden up, Trump is a shoe-in.
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November 17, 2017 9:32am
Manolo

Read and weep:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/entertainment/entertainmentmusic/mutual-fangirls-jacinda-ardern-and-lorde-embrace-on-stage/ar-BBF3xhZ

Jacinda Ardern and Lorde met for the first time at Thursday night’s 2017 Vodafone New Zealand Music Awards, and they both appeared as starstruck as each other.
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November 17, 2017 9:41am
- Longknives
  
  Thanks Manolo- I just puked in my mouth..
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:45am
- MrTips
  
  Oh lovely. But one thing they missed out was the “comedy” skit preceding that. Some dickhead guy came on pretending to be Paula Bennett and mocking her – even the audience were cringing.
  Then the Tooth Fairy turns up.
  
  Cindy clearly knew when to come on. She was party to mocking Paula. Now Paula’s a big girl and won’t give a shit – but Jacinda; your are now fair game. You bought it on yourself. The PM of NZ goes on a crappy awards show and is party to mocking the Dep Leader of the Opposition. Classy.
  
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  November 17, 2017 10:32am
  - KevOB
    
    I have never known a less classy NZ PM. Her lack of maturity (< 15) is showing. She's finally got to be princess not just play princess.
    
    I doubt her government now will survive even 6 months.
    
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    November 17, 2017 11:06am
    - itstricky
      
      JK loved planking, told the nation he liked a masty in the shower, and didn’t mind pulling girl’s hair. And she’s the most immature you’ve ever seen, after two weeks?
      
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      November 17, 2017 7:28pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Nah. Bennet is a hypocritical lying piece of shit and her ego is more fragile than she lets on.
    But hey keep on supporting your losing side, that’s what losers do.
    
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    November 17, 2017 12:27pm
    - Gabby
      
      And just possibly a bludging doubledipper like Bingles.
      
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      November 17, 2017 4:22pm
      - softail 1450
        
        grubby ,get one of your neighbors to help fill your glass you old hateful rat,otherwise you’ll spill your cheap gin because of your over indulgence,,,
        
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        November 17, 2017 5:06pm
      - Gabby
        
        softcock, ask nicely and someone might help you get untangled tits and chainwise.
        
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        November 17, 2017 7:36pm
realityczech

News from the promised land:

He quoted one Catholic priest, “Jewish soldiers broke down the doors of my church and robbed many precious and sacred objects. Then they threw the statues of Christ down into a nearby garden.” Christian leaders described in detail attacks on Christian sites, killing and injuring hundreds, including children, clergy, and refugees—all in spite of the fact that Jewish leaders had promised to preserve religious buildings.

For several decades, the attacks on religious sites quieted, then the 1980s saw a spate of church desecrations, including the burning down of the Baptist church in Jerusalem. In 2008 an Israeli mayor ordered that New Testaments in the town be gathered up, dumped them into a pile, then burned them.
http://imemc.org/article/75889/

Now we wait for the messenger to be attacked by the resident zionist troll army.
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November 17, 2017 9:52am
- Longknives
  
  I’ll just leave this here-
  
  http://thechive.com/2017/11/15/sexy-side-of-the-israeli-defense-force/
  
  Team Israel all the way!
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:56am
  - realityczech
    
    “Team Israel all the way!”
    
    Great stuff. Will you be burning Churches and attacking Christians here in NZ too ?
    
    Can I watch ? 🙂
    
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    November 17, 2017 10:15am
- mandk
  
  IMEMC is a pro-Palestinian outfit.
  Of course it is going to besmirch Israel and Israelis.
  Just like you do, Kea.
  
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  November 17, 2017 10:03am
  - realityczech
    
    mandk any comment on the persecution of Christians and the burning of their Churches?
    
    Is the Times of Israel a pro-Palestinian outfit ?
    
    Why are zionists always such lying filth ?
    
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-year-later-jesus-loaves-church-attacked-by-jewish-arsonists-still-not-repaired/
    
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    November 17, 2017 10:14am
    - EAD_TWO
      
      Jews have been kicked out of 109 different nations over the centuries. ONE HUNDRED AND NINE!
      
      Some people actually believe this is because in each nation the individuals caught a disease called muh anti-semitism rather than getting sick and tired of their behaviour.
      
      If I’d been fired from 109 different jobs I would hope I’d be introspective enough to at least examine my own behaviour rather than blame 109 different employers.
      
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      November 17, 2017 10:40am
      - realityczech
        
        Yes the zionists and religious freaks never talk about WHY so many people have turned against the Jews. It is simply the utter contempt with which the tribe treats non members. No other reason.
        
        Jews have become arrogant and proud. These sins are the reason people have turned against them.
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:07am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Although I found Jews pretty OK (but not super friendly) in Israel, it can say that some of the most arrogant people I’ve met around the world have been Jews.
        
        On a Greek beach for example, I saw a couple reading their book backwards and I could see it was in Hebrew. Trying to be friendly (I had just visited Israel) I greeted them with ‘shalom’ when they passed. They looked at me with disgust, like I had just vomited on their towels and stalked off without saying a word.
        
        That was the most extreme… but I’ve noticed similar traits with others.
        
        Having said this, I still think that pogroms, banishment and gas chambers are a bit of an overreaction to unfriendly interpersonal skills 😀
        
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        November 17, 2017 12:54pm
      - MCos
        
        What?
        
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        November 18, 2017 4:09am
    - mandk
      
      Yes.
      Your second story contradicts the first.
      Why are Jew-haters such lying filth?
      
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      November 17, 2017 10:46am
  - realityczech
    
    Christians Are ‘Blood Sucking Vampires’ Who Should Be Expelled From Israel
    
    Benzi Gopstein, ‘Let us remove the vampires before they once again drink our blood.’
    read more:
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.693132
    
    At least he is straight up and does not lie and manipulate to hide his real agenda. I have no problem with these sort sounding off as long as they don’t resort to violence.
    
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    November 17, 2017 10:24am
- Brito
  
  You are mixed up RC. I left Israel in 1984 after 12 years of relative calm and peace after the arse kicking which was delivered to the peaceful Muslim nations in the Yom Kippur war of 73.
  
  Relative calm belittles the massacres which continued as the peaceful Muslims continued to cross the border and kill children and the defenceless. July 4 was a memorable party when the Entebbe raid went ahead and freed innocent travellers. However it didn’t stop the concept of death by a thousand cuts as mortar fire rained down and road side bombs killed people going about their business.
  
  Go to a desert sometime and imagine an impossible dream, turning the sand into a land of fruit trees and food. The Israelis did that and continue to do that. The Muslims sit there wanting to turn it back into sand but first soaking it in blood after killing all of the Jews. How do you think that’s going to end?
  
  Danny Katz’ murder in 83 made me think it was time to go home, but I went to Rhodesia instead, which proved to be equally compelling for a number of reasons.
  
  There we extreme Jewish reactions to the Christian churches and to the continued occupation of the Jewish Holy Lands and that was carried out by idiots and the narrow minded.
  
  I’m not sure why you have poison flowing through your veins and I can only assume you react in the way you do to enflame opinion. If that’s your reason for being then there is nothing I can add to your monologue of hate.
  
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  November 17, 2017 10:55am
  - realityczech
    
    Brittle, More lies and manipulations to divert from your religious hatred. Of course they turned sand into fruit trees, with billions of dollars of goyim money. They remain the biggest recipient of US aid in the world.
    
    “your monologue of hate”
    
    You lying piece of shit. I have said nothing against the Jews in my comment and so what if I did ? You are happy to point to Muslim wrongs and condemn them all for the actions of a few. So why is the Jew different ?
    
    Would you jump to the defense of Muslims persecuting Christians and burning churches ?
    
    You are fanatical religious scum and should be purged from any decent society.
    
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    November 17, 2017 11:03am
    - Brito
      
      Deeply disturbed. Obviously touched inappropriately when younger and now can’t tell the good guys from the bad.
      
      I am not religious my little Muslim loving friend and never professed to be.
      
      And if Muslims were burning Christian churches I’d be in the front row with my old trusty friend Mr Uzi. That is the type of containment your Muslim friends respect on their way to meet the virgins.
      
      We hope your despair can be repaired and you find some peace. That’s all the Israelis asked.
      
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      November 17, 2017 11:12am
      - realityczech
        
        “And if Muslims were burning Christian churches I’d be in the front row with my old trusty friend Mr Uzi.”
        
        But not because you are opposed to religious violence and church burning – because you support Jews doing it. The only reason you would do that is your hatred towards Muslims. Religious hatred is your motivation.
        
        I hate all religion and Muslims are my least favourite. Jews are actually my pick of a bad bunch, though they are arrogant and dishonest. I condemn all religious persecution, while you defend it openly. No wonder Jews regard your sort with suspicion.
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:15am
    - softail 1450
      
      calm down choke you’re likely to have an aneurysm at this rate.
      
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      November 17, 2017 11:13am
      - realityczech
        
        Calm down Softy about the “Muslim Question”. Here are some comforting words from a leading Rabbi:
        
        ‘Islamization of Europe a good thing’
        Rabbi Baruch Efrati believes Jews should ‘rejoice at the fact that Europe is paying for what it did to us for hundreds of years by losing its identity.’ He praises Islam for promoting modesty, respect for God
        
        “With the help of God, the gentiles there will adopt a healthier life with a lot of modesty and integrity, and not like the hypocritical Christianity which appears pure but is fundamentally corrupt,” he explained.
        
        https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4299673,00.html
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:20am
      - Brito
        
        Softail, RC is an angry deeply disturbed person. I don’t hate the Muslims as he has suggested, all I said was I would mow them down if they attacked the Church. Not to protect the building and the symbolism inside, but to ensure that all of the peaceful people inside remained safe.
        
        It is a shame he is so filled with hatred and bigotry. Maybe we could help him find peace if he provided an address.
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:24am
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle, Would you have “mowed down” the Jews “to ensure that all of the peaceful people inside remained safe.” ?
        
        If not why ?
        
        Interesting that the article was about Jews attacking a church and you rant and foam about mowing down Muslims with an Uzi. Interesting indeed…
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:28am
      - Brito
        
        Of course RC you still haven’t got the point. There are extremists in all religions and those people will always create tensions and strife. That is their way (Jew or Muslim).
        
        But the orthodox Jews believe that all Jews need to be in Israel, there will be a red calf born etc etc and you know who will turn up. However, their belief is based on a fable and they spend their time breeding red calves and trying to get everybody back in Israel.
        
        Let this continue because they are clearly mad.
        
        The Muslims however, even the peaceful ‘lets just accept the inevitable and we’ll go along with the general consensus until we breed our way to the top’, demand that their way is the only way.
        
        And while they continue to globally kill and hack and slash, I’ll continue to hold my very firm views about them and what we should do to guard against this.
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:38am
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle, that is my point. My question is why do you only speak out against Muslim extremists ? I have not condoned persecution and harm to Jews at all. I am speaking out against that sort of thing.
        
        Anyway you forgot my question:
        
        Brittle, Would you have “mowed down” the Jews [with your Uzi] “to ensure that all of the peaceful people inside remained safe.” ?
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:42am
      - Brito
        
        The first two words of my reply answered your question. “Of course”.
        
        Now I must prepare for Shabbat tonight. My children are coming around oi oi oi.
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:45am
      - treadingthemill
        
        My question is why do you only speak out against Muslim extremists ?
        
        Over the last twenty years the Western world has been the target of dozens of terrorist attacks by radical Islamic extremists, resulting in thousands of deaths. Ultra-Orthodox Jewish extremists are only a problem in Israel, and they have not carried out dozens of terrorist attacks against Western countries. There is no reason for people in the Western world to be concerned about them. There are reasons to be concerned about radical Islam.
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:49am
      - realityczech
        
        Chabad Rabbi: Jews Should Kill Arab Men, Women and Children During War
        
        “The only way to fight a moral war is the Jewish way: Destroy their holy sites. Kill men, women and children (and cattle),” Friedman wrote in response to the question posed by Moment Magazine for its “Ask the Rabbis” feature.
        
        read more: https://www.haaretz.com/news/chabad-rabbi-jews-should-kill-arab-men-women-and-children-during-war-1.277616
        
        Please direct screams of “anti Semite” and “Nazi” at the Rabbi or Haaretz. They would love to hear from you.
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:50am
      - realityczech
        
        Trodden, Thanks for the special-pleading in a piss poor attempt to justify your bigotry.
        
        Are you seriously saying its okay to persecute Christians and burn their churches because only some Jews do it ?
        
        I say ALL such action is wrong. It avoids the lies and manipulations you use.
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:53am
      - Jack5
        
        ☪Kearealityczech,☪ I suspect there’s some personal background to the anti-Jewish hatred you share with EAD and neo-Nazis.
        
        What is the background?
        
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        November 17, 2017 11:59am
      - treadingthemill
        
        Thanks for the special-pleading in a piss poor attempt to justify your bigotry.
        
        I have no bigotry. That’s why, unlike other commentators here, I used the term radical Islamic extremists, to differentiate them from mainstream Muslims, who I have no strong feelings about one way or another. And it’s not special pleading to point out the fact that there are valid reasons why Westerners are more concerned about Islamic extremists than Jewish extremists. That’s just an obvious reality of the situation we are in.
        
        Are you seriously saying its okay to persecute Christians and burn their churches because only some Jews do it ?
        
        No, but it’s also not my problem. I don’t live there. What happens in Israel is not relevant to me, anymore than what happens in Japan is relevant to me.
        
        I say ALL such action is wrong.
        
        You claim it, but I think you’re the one special pleading. And as I have seen you agreeing with Ead’s Nazi conspiracy theories about the Jews, I don’t hold your claims about equal justice and concern very highly.
        
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        November 17, 2017 12:04pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        We haven’t had a good Kea meltdown in months!
        
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        November 17, 2017 12:14pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      Person talking to a mirror… You are fanatical religious scum and should be purged from any decent society
      
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      November 17, 2017 1:15pm
RF

Dear God.

We have another self confessed commie in the Govt.

Duncan Webb from ChCh Central admits to being a socialist and agrees that this will cause fear and loathing amongst some people.

He got that one right…… except change some people to many people….
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November 17, 2017 10:31am
- treadingthemill
  
  We have another self confessed commie in the Govt. Duncan Webb from ChCh Central admits to being a socialist
  
  So he’s a self confessed socialist, not a self confessed commie. Most Kiwis are slightly left of center.
  
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  November 17, 2017 11:39am
  - Gabby
    
    He’s no Comrade Jian, that’s fissure.
    
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    November 17, 2017 4:09pm
Fletch

Australian Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has signalled the New Zealand Government’s offer to resettle 150 refugees from Manus Island detention centre could proceed without Australia’s blessing.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nzs-offer-take-150-manus-island-refugees-could-proceed-says-australian-immigration-minister

They just won’t listen…
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November 17, 2017 10:43am
- Jack5
  
  One thing New Zealanders can do – apart from reject Labour, NZ First, and the Melon Greens – is to show their contempt for the organisations that have been pushing for the country to take the Manus border invaders.
  
  These include Amnesty and the Refugee Council.
  
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  November 17, 2017 11:18am
  - realityczech
    
    Jacksie, I agree. We have to stop moaning and take responsibility for what we have allowed.
    
    Almost all do-gooder organisations are over run with politically motivated extremists. Animal rights/Human rights/Environment and hate groups like the Womans Refuge. None are what they pretend to be in order to bring in support and $$$
    
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    November 17, 2017 11:31am
  - MCos
    
    I’m not quite sure you understand the meaning of “invasion”
    For example Australia’s 2003 attack on Iraq was an “invasion”.
    
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    November 18, 2017 3:03am
- Ross12
  
  Fletch
  Dutton also said that if NZ did there could be repercussions in the Aust/NZ relationship.
  The question is will Aussie Labour take the same attitude because there are few suggesting the Aussies could have another election early in the new year. Current polls suggest Turnbull and the Liberals will get smashed.
  
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  November 17, 2017 12:23pm
  - Paulus
    
    Australian Labor’s view, conducted by the Immigration Service, will not do anything different to the Liberal Coalition in this.
    Shortarse Shorten dislikes Kiwis as much as any Ossie.
    
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    November 17, 2017 2:34pm
sooty

Taxinda, I’m irked and will be protesting in the streets if you bring the Manus islanders here!
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November 17, 2017 11:34am
realityczech

Rabbi Aviner and the ‘Christian Scam’
Thursday, April 13, 2017

Rabbi Shlomo Aviner (b. 1943) is head of the Ateret Cohanim Yeshiva, and is among the more important leaders of the religious Zionist movement. Whatever he says, therefore, carries considerable weight among his many adherents. And his recent article “Christians Who Love Israel: The World’s Largest Scam” comes in the form of question and answer, which adds extra religious weight to it.

Aviner divides the Christian world to three groups: Catholics, liberal Christians and Evangelicals, whom he sees as the most dangerous group.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/31455/Default.aspx
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November 17, 2017 12:03pm
- Brito
  
  Right Shabbat prep carried out…or…get out of the kitchen and find some candles.
  
  Anyway, I thought I’d come back and try and offer you a little comfort RC.
  
  Why is he called Kea? Is that a failed nom de plume from a previous life? Has he mellowed over time?
  
  What’s his problem? I’m sure I can help him to be more righteous!
  
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  November 17, 2017 12:23pm
  - rangitoto
    
    The Kea pseud was banned I think. There are still a few Kea sock puppets around. They even argue with each other at times.
    
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    November 17, 2017 12:28pm
    - Brito
      
      Thank you. What an interesting person(s)!
      
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      November 17, 2017 12:31pm
  - realityczech
    
    Brittle you are flying into a rage and ranting about Jew hating, because of the words of a Rabbi. Yet you falsely accuse me of hating on Jews ! You are a funny wee thing in a pathetic sort of way.
    
    I did enjoy the bit where you shared your fantasy of mowing down Muslims with an Uzi though.
    
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    November 17, 2017 1:21pm
- starboard
  
  Let it go Kea..Brito is wiping the floor with you just take it on the chin.?
  
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  November 17, 2017 12:50pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    just take it on the chin</blockquote>
    
    … some clarification of that statement wouldn't go amiss.
    
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    November 17, 2017 12:59pm
  - realityczech
    
    Starry, Brittle is having a melt down at the words of a Rabbi. I suspect he is a nazi.
    
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    November 17, 2017 1:17pm
    - Brito
      
      I have been pushing peace and forbearance RC. Starboard and the others see you for what you are. Back to your corner and down boy.
      
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      November 17, 2017 1:44pm
      - realityczech
        
        “I have been pushing peace and forbearance”
        
        No you defended religious persecution and went on to rant about mowing people down with an Uzi.
        
        You should speak with your Rabbi tonight about your dark thoughts.
        
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        November 17, 2017 1:50pm
      - Brito
        
        You asked what would I do if Muslims or Jews (extremists) attacked a church. I said Mr Uzi would take care of it. That’s the only definitive thing I’ve said about dealing with a make believe problem.
        
        Now I think if you hum a few bars from your favourite song, sit back with your stein, buff your lederhosen and think about how the master race can rise again, you’ll feel so much better.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjXtn6QuKbc
        
        Seig heil Kea
        
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        November 17, 2017 2:01pm
  - Gabby
    
    Bitcho’s great at wiping the floor what with the incontinence starBubba. He could wipe the floor for you.
    
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    November 17, 2017 7:39pm
Manolo

Crusher is right:
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/collins-launches-attack-on-arderns-student-politics/ar-BBF3F3A

Judith Collins has launched a stinging attack on Jacinda Ardern, saying the Prime Minister needs to understand our relationship with Australia isn’t “student politics”.
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November 17, 2017 12:25pm
SPLOOGE

Our prisons are filling up with young Indian men.
Who let all these ‘students’ into the country?
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November 17, 2017 12:29pm
- rangitoto
  
  Don’t worry. Kelvin will set all the violent criminals free so they can cause havoc in your neighbourhood. It’s better for New Zealand to have no prisoners.
  
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  November 17, 2017 12:37pm
- Brito
  
  I don’t have a problem with an Indian overload in our prisons. What really gets up my nose is they aren’t deported as soon as their sentence is complete.
  
  Why is that?
  
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  November 17, 2017 12:39pm
  - realityczech
    
    Why stop at Indians ? We should apply that policy to all people. Like Jews for example.
    
    Or is this another exception based to justify your bigotry and murderous hatred ?
    
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    November 17, 2017 1:52pm
    - SPLOOGE
      
      The Jews aren’t raping and filling up the prisons.
      Apparently the Jews respect women.
      
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      November 17, 2017 2:00pm
      - realityczech
        
        Splooge you avoided my question. If they did do it should they be deported ?
        
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        November 17, 2017 2:29pm
    - Brito
      
      There you go Kea. SPLOOGE is raising a good point and you have to bring your Third Reich mentality to the party. Siege Heil.
      
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      November 17, 2017 2:08pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Third Reich mentality”
        
        For quoting Rabbis in the Jewish media and speaking out about religious bigotry ? LOL 🙂
        
        Most Jews would find you an extremist with some very troubling views.
        
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        November 17, 2017 2:31pm
  - Brito
    
    And you are right Kea. If you’re an immigrant, especially a German, you should be deported if you’ve committed a crime. Jews, Catholics, Protestants, the lot. I agree mate.
    
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    November 17, 2017 2:10pm
    - realityczech
      
      Much better. See how you did not need to try and justify wrong doing, simply by stepping back from religious bigotry ?
      
      Next thing you know you will be condemning religious persecution and bias with the rest of us “Nazis”
      
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      November 17, 2017 2:33pm
      - softail 1450
        
        realitychoke,jeez next thing you know you and Brito will be swapping spit in the shower ,compared to yesterday’s shitstorm,,,reconciliation ,great.
        
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        November 17, 2017 3:26pm
      - Brito
        
        Softail that’s dangerous ground you’re venturing into. Easy boy!!
        
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        November 17, 2017 3:49pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle go back to polishing your Uzi before heading off to synagogue. You never know when G-d might call upon you to “mow down” some other religious group 🙂
        
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        November 17, 2017 3:51pm
      - Brito
        
        Come on Kea, be nice. Just supply your address and my friends from Mossad will come and help you get over your fetish for all things Nazi.
        
        Deutschland uber alles right Kea!!!
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:00pm
      - realityczech
        
        Brittle can you please explain to us how quoting Rabbis and sharing news stories from the Jewish media, shows a love of “Nazi” ?
        
        Can you explain the reason for your deep hatred of Muslims and Germanic people ? Do you want to mow down Germans with your Uzi too ?
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:06pm
      - Brito
        
        Some of the loveliest people I met in Israel were West Germans Kea. Their brothers and sisters from over the wall were busy helping the Soviets destabilise the Middle East. But that’s another story.
        
        No my simple friend, your hatred of the Jews and your willingness to support the mindless insanity of the Muslim will always see us at odds.
        
        It’s Shabbat time little brother. Time to go.
        
        Baruch atah adonai eloheinu melech haOlam asher kideshanu bemitzvotav vitzivanu l’hadlik ner shel Shabbat.
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:12pm
      - realityczech
        
        Hatred of Jews ???
        
        Brittle you are back to resorting to a strawman of lies. As zionists always do.
        
        I have called for no religious persecution and said I prefer Jews out of all the Abrahamic cults, with Muslims being my less favoured of a bad bunch. That is the truth. The thing you zionists fear most.
        
        While you spill bile and hate daily and fantasise about mowing down other religions with your Uzi.
        
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        November 17, 2017 4:17pm
- MrTips
  
  SPLOOGE: That would be Labour via its “intern” ~~scam~~ program
  
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  November 17, 2017 12:48pm
  - SPLOOGE
    
    Errr No. I’d suggest that the previous government of 9 years that allowed rampant immigration in their attempt to balance the books might be responsible.
    But hey, you know that tips.
    
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    November 17, 2017 12:55pm
    - treadingthemill
      
      That’s true. There does seem to be some confusion here about which of the parties were pro-immigration and which were advocating some level of cuts. Hint, the pro-immigration parties were National and ACT.
      
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      November 17, 2017 1:57pm
Stars And Stripes

Parental leave is just a big bludge fest in my opinion but if we must go down this road here are some baseline eligibility rules that I believe need to be applied.
1.Applicants cannot be fat or ugly.
2.Applicants cannot be regular shoppers at Pak n Save.
3.Applicants must not live in Mt Roskill.
4.Female applicants must not have facial hair or wear tights if their bum is bigger than a small car.
5.Applicants must be able to prove the relationship that resulted in conception had a duration of more than two hours.
6.Applicants cannot be state house tenants or drive a Bongo van.
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November 17, 2017 12:43pm
- SPLOOGE
  
  Not as big a rort as working for families.
  If you can’t afford your kids, don’t have them.
  This country is full of mongs as it is without adding to the problem.
  
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  November 17, 2017 1:29pm
Jack5

How intelligent employers can get staff as the immigration controls bite:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/98952994/southland-mines-boss-recruits-from-close-to-home
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November 17, 2017 3:11pm
- realityczech
  
  They just took in a pile of Syrian refugees down that way Jacksie so they should find plenty of staff 🙂
  
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  November 17, 2017 3:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Except for the roughly 20% of Syrians who are illiterate. Miners generally need to be able to read.
    Not having a good command of spoken english in a noisy and dangerous environment might get the safety elves worked up too.
    And downing tools 5 times a day for prayers might make them rather difficult to work with in a production environment requiring coordination between many roles.
    
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    November 17, 2017 4:20pm
    - realityczech
      
      Well at least they won’t stop work to rape little boys like the Catholics do.
      
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      November 17, 2017 4:23pm
      - starboard
        
        Try not to be a fuckwit all your life..chill out man..take a day off.
        
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        November 17, 2017 8:25pm
  - Jack5
    
    No Syrians taken on. But I hear Syrians make great trolls.
    
    Are you hiring apprentices, Kewarealityczech, or are you happy to keep relying on free labour of refugees and day-release patients at psychiatric hospitals?
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:40pm
    - realityczech
      
      Syrians really ? See I hear the Germans found the Jews great workers as long as you gave them secure accommodation.
      
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      November 17, 2017 8:46pm
      - Jack5
        
        ☪Kearealityczech☪ – did you hear that from some ancient veteran of the Bosnian Muslim unit in the SS? ?
        
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        November 17, 2017 8:54pm
      - realityczech
        
        Oh these Bosnian Muslims Jacksie?
        
        http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.co.nz/2011/03/bosnian-genocide-pictures-are-worth.html
        
        You zionists fixed them good didn’t ya ?
        
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        November 17, 2017 8:59pm
      - Jack5
        
        Sorry, ☪ Keareality~~check~~czech: ☪
        
        I was thinking of the the 13th Division of the SS praying towards Mecca, like this:
        
        https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/muslim-waffen-ss-13th-division-1943/
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:11pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yeah they deserved the Holocaust because of their religion Jacksie ?
        
        http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.co.nz/2011/03/bosnian-genocide-pictures-are-worth.html
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Srebrenica was a war crime, and some of the criminals have been been tried for it, ☪Kearealityczech.☪
        
        However, there were Muslim atrocities against the Serbs, too, including by Al Qaeda.
        
        This is one of the milder Muslim activities – burning Serbs’ homes:
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/aug/09/warcrimes.iantraynor
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:23pm
      - realityczech
        
        The wrongs of the Nazis were war crimes too and they were put on trial . Do you offset their indiscretions with the crimes of the Israeli state… or is that different ?
        
        Or would you pass off the Jewish Holocaust because a few Jews burnt down a Nazis house ?
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:30pm
- kowtow
  
  Working in the mines , but for how long?
  
  “The alliance will work by encouraging new commitments and using financing and shared technology and best practice to encourage others to phase out “unabated coal” – plants where carbon dioxide is not captured and buried below ground. Its national members are Angola, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Fiji, Finland, France, Italy, Luxembourg, Marshall Islands, Mexico, Netherlands, New Zealand, Niue, Portugal, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/nov/16/political-watershed-as-19-countries-pledge-to-phase-out-coal
  
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  November 17, 2017 7:56pm
rangitoto

Pluto is suffering from global cooling:

https://www.nature.com/news/hazy-skies-cool-down-pluto-1.22996

The Plutonians have been derelict in their duty of pumping out enough CO2. Their Green party spokesthing accuses the Plutonian government of causing citizens to freeze to death.
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November 17, 2017 4:51pm
sooty

If Taxinda should happen to fall over, who would be prime minister?
Does Whinneystone get automatic first dibs? Or do Labour get the chance to replace her with one of their own?
But the Labour talent pool is shallower than a carpark puddle in the middle of summer. Seriously, is labour stuck with Taxinda for the duration of the coilition of fools!
Oh dear! It’s all going to end end tears.
The weight of NZ, rest on her shoulders!
Labour had better wrap her in cotton wool.
No babies for you.
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November 17, 2017 5:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  coilition of fools!
  At first glance …
  with words like Labour, duration and babies, I thought you were writing about the coition of fools.
  
  We dare not think what offspring could arise.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:41pm
  - Jack5
    
    With dazzling choppers like Winnie’s and Jacinderella’s, any offspring would surely have rows of teeth, like a shark.
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:48pm
    - realityczech
      
      More of a nose man are ya Jacksie ? Can’t beat a nice big hooked nose.
      
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      November 17, 2017 8:51pm
      - Jack5
        
        ??????Keareality~~check~~czech??????
        
        For beauty title-holders from Israel and Iraq – see link that follows.
        
        Noses no problem for these two attractive women, but, surprise, surprise, the Iraqi Arab lady has a bigger nose than the Israeli Jewish lady.
        
        And neither’s is anywhere near as prominent as a klever kea’s beak … ?
        
        http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Miss-Israel-Miss-Iraq-overcome-countries-diplomatic-estrangement-on-Instagram-514277
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:05pm
      - realityczech
        
        The difference is I don’t want either of the ladies harmed, while you want one of them dead.
        
        How many confirmed kills you got now tiger ?
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:11pm
      - Jack5
        
        Dream on, ☪Keareality~~check~~czech: ☪
        
        You play far too many computer games. You’re starting to mistake them for reality.
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:14pm
      - realityczech
        
        Come on Jacksie don’t be shy. I bet you were telling all the guys at synagogue tonight.
        
        It’s okay, those pebbles the kids throw at 70 ton Main Battle Tanks could take your eye out.
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:17pm
      - Jack5
        
        ☪Keaunreality~~check~~czech☪ –
        
        ? Are you on speed, or does your imagination routinely blow out like this?
        
        Does your imagination frequently morph your sedentary buddies on Kiwiblog into real-war warriors in tanks?
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:31pm
      - realityczech
        
        Jacksie your alter ego Brittle is much more open about these things. He was telling us how he wants to mow down Muslims with his Uzi.
        
        Given the size of the resident zionist troll army on KB I am growing concerned about who is protecting the promised land (from the people you stole it from).
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:42pm
rightoverlabour

Good

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/98984001/chinese-property-website-pushing-nz-property-sales-ahead-of-government-crackdown

should get the property market back on track.
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November 17, 2017 7:45pm
nasska

In recent news the Roman Catholic Church has been opening their doors to the poverdy stricken children of South Auckland.

Local kids are said to have been quite touched.
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November 17, 2017 8:25pm
- treadingthemill
  
  That was very naughty nasska.
  
  But it did make me laugh.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Not as naughty as the Ozzies
    
    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/scott-marshs-provocative-newtown-mural-of-tony-abbott-and-george-pell-sparks-backlash-20171115-gzmfc0.html
    
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    November 17, 2017 8:35pm
    - nasska
      
      From Maggy’s link:
      
      ….”How can we as a society accept this persecution of Christians and allow them to mock our clergy,”…..
      
      What bloody persecution? The Godnutters aren’t being prevented from worshipping what doesn’t exist.
      
      The wankers can’t help themselves…..so far as they’re concerned they’re “special” & can’t be challenged in any way.
      
      Get stuffed!
      
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      November 17, 2017 8:42pm
      - treadingthemill
        
        Fundamentalists often lack a sense of humour and cultivate a persecution complex that makes them feel self-righteous.
        
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        November 17, 2017 8:45pm
Viking2

In just a few short weeks our new government and Prime Minister have made magnificent progress.

Not only does our new PM Jacinda Ardern know the best way to manage our country, she’s instructing our neighbours how to run Australia, too.

She can now be appointed Prime Minister of Australasia.

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/blogs/11473-three-strikes-and-yourehome-free.html
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November 17, 2017 8:45pm
- Jack5
  
  Yep, PNG is in Australasia.
  
  Jacinderella would transform the America’s Cup into a bi-monthly junk race to New Zealand.
  
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  November 17, 2017 8:49pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yeah we need to more to protect our security from these Middle Eastern types Jacksie
    
    —————————————————-
    
    “Yossef Barkan is not a talkative man. His son, Ze’ev, is a Mossad agent, on the run after fleeing New Zealand in the aftermath of the Mossad spy ring collapse last April.
    
    “Stop calling here, you hear me,” he said when I called to speak to Ze’ev. “I’ve nothing to do with this business. Goodbye.” And he hung up.
    
    Of more than a hundred people contacted in connection with this Weekend Herald inquiry, only a handful were prepared to talk.”
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/israeli-spy-case/news/article.cfm?c_id=606&objectid=3596863
    
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    November 17, 2017 9:08pm
    - Jack5
      
      ? Yossef Barkan? Yossef Barkan?
      
      There you go, this is obviously bullshit.
      
      Next you will be pasting links to stories quoting a mystery Uyghur, one Mohammed Mee-yowing.
      
      The only authentic about the story you link to is this: “Yossef Barkan is not a talkative man.”
      
      That is the absolute, sworn truth. Yossef is an Afghan hound.
      
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      November 17, 2017 9:46pm
      - realityczech
        
        Oh so the Mossad passport scandal , that also resulted in our very own David Garrett getting busted, was an elaborate hoax by the Nazi ? LOL 🙂
        
        Is there any limit to the lies of a zionist ?
        
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        November 17, 2017 9:57pm
      - Brito
        
        Howdy Jack, you’ll have to forgive Kea, he’s deluded and fraudulent. He has a little skill in twisting meaning and words and you’ll find that with these wanna-be Muslims.
        
        A few videos on Youtube and you’re an expert. Sad wee liar has been found out. When you get Gabby backing you up you know you’ve lost.
        
        Gut shabbos Kea.
        
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        November 17, 2017 10:08pm
      - Brito
        
        I found Kea on line.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGXLs8j4D64
        
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        November 17, 2017 10:23pm
Fletch

Yep, so if you eat soy, you’re more likely to be a girlie-boy with low testosterone and possible man-boobs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTSvLKY7HEk
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November 17, 2017 8:55pm
- nasska
  
  Couldn’t agree more Fletch. Full cream milk & a decent feed of mutton chops would give them an interest in girls & reduce their bra sizes in one hit. 🙂
  
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  November 17, 2017 9:03pm
Manolo

He is our pervert, say the liberals.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/11/16/analysis-when-comes-al-franken-assault-allegations-congress-appears-united/871701001/
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